WILL OUR OWN TROOPS and COPS TURN AGAINST US?

[illuminati_reject]

I was having a conversation with a buddy who is also in the know and he doesn't think our own will turn against us and there will not be enough foreign troops to come in and do the job. Can our cops, who our citizens in our own comunities, go against the constitution, their freinds and famliy? What are your thoughts?

[THE eXchanger]

i predict, they will all, turn against themselves

dirty work, gets done best, by dirty people

that is a fact !!!

for "us", it will be "all hands off"

remember, this operates in circles,
within circles, within circles

eventually; when the outside edges
realise, what is blowing in "the winds"
they will very likely take two actions

1) turn inward, and, in doing so, will see this is wrong

(doing a job, and, getting paid for it, when you know it is wrong-is karmic)
and, you will go straight to hell, for doing it

it's time that many will start to sing / & blow their whistles

2) their aim, will be, to terminate the inner circle

they are like a bunch of ants,
climbing up a pin,
they have NO TRUST,
because they are NOT trustable,
nor, worthy of trusting,
and, they know that

WOW--that is 3 serious strikes, if this was a baseball game--they would be out !!!

and, there is NO ROOM,
at the top for any of them !!!

and, they are all climbing up different sides
of the same pin, at the same time

my prediction, under the light of this full moon
and, you can MARK my words on this:

i predict, they will all, turn against themselves

dirty work, gets done best, by dirty people

and, the shift, has happened -- the s*** has already hit many fans

what is blowing in the wind -- is going to topple them

i am susan
white lotus star
the eXchanger

[anthrovolution]

Look around. We have stopped training cops to be cops. Instead we train them to be soldiers. And we train our soldiers to be cops. They all have the wrong traiing so they don't know how to behave. The number of cases where cops break into the wrong houses, shoot the wrong people, and act like soldiers in a 'war' instead of peace officers is increasing. So I think if we train them as soldiers then all we have to do is identify an 'enemy' and they will just do their thing, whatever they have been trained to do. That 'enemy' could easily be you and me.

[THE eXchanger]

many of those ones, you import -- eXport them

[TranceAm]

I like exchangers reply and agree that the most hopeful thing to happen is a personal conscience appeal in the men handling the guns before they squeese the trigger..

However.

Having heard (Keep in mind hearsay, and second source peer verification.) that during enlisting, there is a question the potential soldiers have to answer.

The question is (non verbatim) "Would or could you shoot if necessary and ordered Americans?"
The ones answering "No" are stationed in a foreign country, the ones that answer "Yes" are stationed within the US.

This could have been a psy-ops statement to hook a little fear into the population.
Also keep in mind, as the press loses their characteristic of being an American while they wear their press card (Ref: Jesse Ventura Vid posted in another thread.) The American militairy and police could lose it while wearing the uniform and under orders.
And we all remember Ollie North.

[Slim]

Because they are trained to do what they are told, like most of the mindless,
they will even turn on their own family.

THEY WILL KILL YOU,
their masters tell them to....

Come on guys, we are on a site where we can speak TRUTH!!!

Something sadly lacking at this time.

Slim.

[oxjmaups2005xo]

its a dog eat dog world....:mfr_lol:

[lock'N'load]

OK this might freak some of you out but id rather you know then you didnt.

I seen a video before about American police training. In the video it depicted the scene of a riot, and the aim of the drill was to see how the police officers would react under psychological pressure.

I'll just mention a few of the things the actors in the crowd were shouting.

- "This is a democracy, you cant treat us like animals"
- "Were not your slaves, we have the right to free speach"
- "Why are you doing this to us, why are you fighting against us?"

When you take into consideration that they are training their troops to hold steady under this kind of psychological pressure it soon gets rid of any doubt as to whether they would do it or not.

All they have to do is place troops far away from their home towns where they dont have family or friends, the group idiot mentality will take over from there.

[fforest]

Police only know one thing,And that one thing is to follow orders.To do otherwise would be unthinkable...

Police=Order
The rest of mankind=Chaos
The Chaos must be turned into Order by what ever means necessary....
End of story.....

[punter2003]

An interesting thread. Of course they will do what they are told. We all know the power of the uniform , and the power that the person in the uniform feels. You only have to deal with a lesser form of the uniform traffic warden, security guard ect, to hear the phrase "im just following orders". They are conditioned with very crude forms of behaviour control to follow blindly regardless of the human being standing in front of them. We should all be very aware that with any goverments resources they can get there army and police to do anything. Psychology is the perfect weapon, it is undetectable, cheap, and easy.

[steve_johnson#985907-1]

this isn't a valid debate if you have found the road here you should know the answer. the police are more and more your enemy daily. the new wave of police are trained in a more foul manner than the SS. they feel entitled and when people feel entitled they run amok. they feel a vast need to stand above you and show they are above you .

[skyking]

Regarding Martial Law/Police State scenarios, consider this: There are 300 million people in America. 90% of all our military are overseas, the other 10% are keeping the military installations going on a skeleton crew basis. Backup for the regular forces is the National Guard which is made up of your neighbors and friends. Now, there are 14,000 gang members in south LA alone. In a time of 'unrest' it would take just about ALL of the existing military to contain just this one area. So, will a goon squad come breaking down your door in rural wherever to take your guns and haul you off to a 'camp'? Highly unlikely. Remember during Katrina that 40% of the police force abandoned their post to go home and protect their own family. As I have mentioned in other posts, spending time discussing all of these negative scenarios is keeping us focused on the dark side when we should be concentrating on positive solutions to the problems that currently face us.

[steve_johnson#985907-1]

Regarding Martial Law/Police State scenarios, consider this: There are 300 million people in America. 90% of all our military are overseas, the other 10% are keeping the military installations going on a skeleton crew basis. Backup for the regular forces is the National Guard which is made up of your neighbors and friends. Now, there are 14,000 gang members in south LA alone. In a time of 'unrest' it would take just about ALL of the existing military to contain just this one area. So, will a goon squad come breaking down your door in rural wherever to take your guns and haul you off to a 'camp'? Highly unlikely. Remember during Katrina that 40% of the police force abandoned their post to go home and protect their own family. As I have mentioned in other posts, spending time discussing all of these negative scenarios is keeping us focused on the dark side when we should be concentrating on positive solutions to the problems that currently face us.

those 40% percent are the older coffee shop police officer you could carry a conversation with. the new guard is the SS. i live in texas, they come in groups of four and thrive on your fear.

[arcora]

They've already turned.

[lock'N'load]

It shall be interesting to see if they find some excuse to take your guns away.

Right now marshall law would not be effective, theres nearly a gun for every person over there if not more.

Id only really be worried about marshall law -after- they try and outlaw guns.

Thats not to say they wont target individual threats first, if young bob down the road is the only person on the street getting raided under the guise of a drug raid etc not many people are gonna stop them.

[arcora]

Id only really be worried about marshall law -after- they try and outlaw guns.

Your right to own a gun is an illusion. The PTB only give you that right when you don't need it.

During hurricane Katrina the first thing the PTB did was confiscate all firearms. The consititution doesn't mean anything when the storm troopers make their demands.

[lock'N'load]

Your right to own a gun is an illusion. The PTB only give you that right when you don't need it.

During hurricane Katrina the first thing the PTB did was confiscate all firearms. The consititution doesn't mean anything when the storm troopers make their demands.

True indeed, Theres not many people out there who would argue with an M14

[RSF]

Dunno, but I'd look at the recent Louisiana Hurricane police statement where looters would be taken "straight to Angola". That suggests no charges will first be laid. Just quarantine. It's not a matter of deserves, it's a matter of legal formality.

And as some of you have read about and/or seen FEMA Camps may just be as real as the nose on your face. That is:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=277826260716604258

I'd suggest and plan to, study the USA Martial Law policy, practises and regulation.:roll1:

[Rocky_Shorz]

Well it comes down from the top, and the top has already stood up against an attack against Iran...

Our Military is here to protect America`s interest, not the neocons...

I have had dreams of a knock on my door they wanted me to come with them for protection...

I would not take a second thought on this subject, they will stand beside us...

[lock'N'load]

Well it comes down from the top, and the top has already stood up against an attack against Iran...

Our Military is here to protect America`s interest, not the neocons...

I have had dreams of a knock on my door they wanted me to come with them for protection...

I would not take a second thought on this subject, they will stand beside us...

But thats just not how the play ball. If they want war they will get it through the same means they used to create the Iraq war. False flag event most likely, they have gone to far to just start a war for no reason. Give the people what they want, dont do anything until the people demand it. Its how they have conducted business for years.

Think same scenario for Iran, only in this case Israel will probably throw the first punch. Iran retaliates, and im pretty sure they will go nuclear if this happens.
And then theres Russia, god almighty thinking about it now with the current state of affairs all this cake needs is a cherry.

[Myplanet2]

I think that we, of all people, need to stay mindful of the bigger picture.

We live in societies, and the police and militaries live in societies.

Societies are controlled. the powers that be having been honing the art of societal control for centuries now.

But when their overt attempts at wresting control failed throughout most of the earlier half of the last century, they got more clever, and covert about it. They studied the situation and plotted their strategies along the lines of the "bait and switch". Or what David Icke calls the problem/solution (create a problem, provide the solution).

So what they do is permit certain apparencies, or illusions to remain under the populaces radar, while their real program moves forward. They've co-opted the Mainstream Media, control of government, Food production and distribution, Economy, Health industry, etc.

And here's what I try to stay mindful of: What these PTB b******* are doing, goes against the natural inclination and purposes of the vast majority of people in society. Only a tiny minority thrive on that sort of total control and abuse of the rest, and they naturally gravitate towards occupations that permit them to act out on those impulses. Or in other words, they become cops, and soldiers, and bureaucrats, and other things where they get to exert extraordinary control over others.

Good people out number the controllers 50 to 1. We really don't have to put up with their crap. We can't fight them, because they don't mind setting the planet on fire to prevent losing the fight. Force wise, we don't stand a chance.

But "reality" wise, it's they who stand no chance. They've spent a century creating a bubble, and keeping it sound. We just have to ***** that bubble. We don't have to fight down all their efforts. That's an illusion they want to maintain. We just have to ***** the bubble of the illusion they've created so people will understand that it's an illusion that's been painted over their reality by covert means, and that they only have to not play along with it in order to win.

This is something I see many of us here still trapped in. Is the illusion that these people need to be fought. That's playing right into their hands. Because they've set it up so that a fight with them will be 100% one sided.

They depend utterly on the bubble staying inflated. It would take probably 2 or 3 years to disarm America, as an example. They can't do it all at once. Examples of proactive road side spot checks by police and immigration officials are nothing more than tests of the waters. "How much are the sheep willing to take by now?" House to house disarmament in New Orleans was also a test. But that was a controlled environment. They couldn't keep such an action secret all over America, all at once. They'd get to 5% of the households, and the remainder would be taking notice and taking action. They know it. We know it.

So they have to bide their time and use societal triggers to get people to agree or acquiesce. "ID please? Ah, you're address is such and such? That's the address of a registered gun owner. All you need do to receive your food and gas vouchers is to turn in your guns.".

That's the only way they could do it. Not by force. If thy tried force, their would be a civil war, and it would be enough of a mismatch to become a guerrilla war which does not fit with their plans. They can't win guerrilla wars in Afghanistan and America would be 1000 times worse.

No. They need to keep people asleep within the illusion they've created for them, until it's too late.

It's far from too late.

Let's wake people up, and plan the new society around the radiant zones and other Ground Crew installations, completely outside of their control grid, while waking as many as we can reach up.

And let's continue to "***** that bubble of illusion".

MP2

[steve_johnson#985907-1]

Dunno, but I'd look at the recent Louisiana Hurricane police statement where looters would be taken "straight to Angola". That suggests no charges will first be laid. Just quarantine. It's not a matter of deserves, it's a matter of legal formality.

And as some of you have read about and/or seen FEMA Camps may just be as real as the nose on your face. That is:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=277826260716604258

I'd suggest and plan to, study the USA Martial Law policy, practises and regulation.:roll1:

a friend of mine lived along galveston bay. he just posted up on another forum. this is what he had to say.


ok i went back to the hood yesterday morning before the feds came in and it looked like a effing warzone, coming south on 45 the damage just gets worse and worse the further south you get, i was able to get into el lago on nasa rd 1 but they had it blocked by ace hardware, now it is completely blocked off by the military, no one in and no one out, same for seabrook, la porte etc. from reports around the area everything east of 146 (bayside) is now galveston bay, i got some pics txted to me, pretty crazy, tookies is under water so is dairy queen, todville, shore acres got wiped off the map, i assume el jardin took it pretty bad, back in el lago the first floor of the landing is completely underwater there is sailboats crashed into it, there are waves breaking in clear lake park, all that is underwater the waves come to the sidewalk of nasa rd 1, i hear there is debris from houses and boats all up and down 146, seabrook got hit pretty bad, no power, no water in seabrook, el lago, la porte, kemah all the way down 146 to gtown, centerpoint says for upto 4 weeks at most, i hope it doesn't take that long. my house is ok, just some broken windows and down trees, other people weren't so lucky, down power lines on lakeshore, repsdorph and in evan boyles backyard, i blessed my house before i left and i am convinced the universe is on my side, so here we sit in katy bored as **** out of our minds, there is mandatory curfew in effect at all times, and no one is allowed in or out of the "disaster zone" seabrook/laporte/ellago there is guards with assault rifles standing at the entrances to our neighborhoods and last night and this morning they went door to door finding people that arent supposed to be there, if you dont have proper id they are kicking you out, and even if you do have it you aren't getting in or out of the hood, i only got in yesterday cos rescue s*** was still going down and i went in all cutty, but there was cops at the entrance when i left and just chunked a deuce and kept driving...there is ******* fema trucks and fed trucks all over the place, military helicopters flying in formation all over its ******* scary like 28 days later or something, armed guards, cops from all over, rescue, ems, ******* mobile command stations, its intense, thats all i know so far.




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[seeing clearly]

Re: WILL OUR OWN TROOPS and COPS TURN AGAINST US?

of course.
they work for the govt


NOT us.


somewhile ago on rense and other fora articles were
frequent about foreign troops training here in USA...
and USA troops training in foreign lands.




TPTB will not use the troops of a Nation in that Nation
but import foreigners to keep the Folks of that NAtion
under control.

S.American troops will not blink an eye shooting any
American folks and USA Troops already have no qualms
shooting any Arabic peoples,
not would they struggle to shoot any Russian Folks.


This emerging global martial law scene has been well planned
and set up for several generations already. TPTB have centuries
of successful campaigns against the common people, and know
well how to sandbag any ops way ahead.


Even Chinese troops have been seen in Washington state and
other northern areas and Russian and German troops have often
been spotted in western states.

( just how much global control does the octopus have ??
more than you want to know !!)


The stage is set, not a dish or a flower or a doorway has
been neglected in this final great scene. u betcha.



~

[Rocky_Shorz]

Re: WILL OUR OWN TROOPS and COPS TURN AGAINST US?

of course.
they work for the govt


NOT us.



The stage is set, not a dish or a flower or a doorway has
been neglected in this final great scene. u betcha.

~



Well I'm not sure if you understand the scale of force that is necessary to pin down 300 Million people that have always lived Free.

We all have Gun Cabinets with enough Amo to take out a small army squad. And that's in every household...

And you also have the fact that we don't want to fight, and they don't want to kill us.

You say they wouldn't think twice about attacking, but remember, all of my Marine buddies, and every cop on the force would be standing against an invading army.

Communications would be cut, the Government propoganda machine halted.

What will Stand is freedom.

I come from the Bloodline of Washington, I will not go down without a fight...

[Colin]

Moving to Project Camelot General Discussion

[seeing clearly]

Well I'm not sure if you understand the scale of force that is necessary to pin down 300 Million people that have always lived Free.

We all have Gun Cabinets with enough Amo to take out a small army squad. And that's in every household...

And you also have the fact that we don't want to fight, and they don't want to kill us.

You say they wouldn't think twice about attacking, but remember, all of my Marine buddies, and every cop on the force would be standing against an invading army.

Communications would be cut, the Government propoganda machine halted.

What will Stand is freedom.

I come from the Bloodline of Washington, I will not go down without a fight...


all our guns will be for naught.

TYRANNY has weapons that can fry our brains from a mile away
and others that can freeze us and throw us down unable to move a
finger and just wait to be put in a truck to be taken.......?



siggggghhhh.......


~

[lock'N'load]

Well I'm not sure if you understand the scale of force that is necessary to pin down 300 Million people that have always lived Free.

We all have Gun Cabinets with enough Amo to take out a small army squad. And that's in every household...

And you also have the fact that we don't want to fight, and they don't want to kill us.

You say they wouldn't think twice about attacking, but remember, all of my Marine buddies, and every cop on the force would be standing against an invading army.

Communications would be cut, the Government propoganda machine halted.

What will Stand is freedom.

I come from the Bloodline of Washington, I will not go down without a fight...

The civilians of this world are still working with technology that is absolutely obsolete. This race posess alien technologys beyond most peoples comprehension.

This to me is checkmate. Our King is left open and all thats left is for them to take their final move. The stage is set.

With the technology 'they' have i am almost certain that they would have no problem faking an alien visit.
Advanced holographic technology is a reality, you can find that out for yourself by doing a bit of research.

So what if.. Some race of beings came to visit us, we are after all being de-sensitised to the whole idea. And this race of beings told us they would fix all our problems if we would just stop figting and give up our arms.

Were at such a stage of mindless violence and corruption that the people will do anything for the promise of peace.

I cant see them coming this far and coming up short, can you?

[Slim]

Ok, i`m going out on a limb here, with our American friends.
In my mind george w and his lot were told to stage 9/11.
Does anone think that a similar, our worse senario will occur before the November elections?
My understanding, please correct me if i am wrong, is that if a national disaster, or emergency were to occur, george w would stay in control of the American Nation?
Mind you, what worries me more, is that if McCain is elected and dies, the pitbull with lipstick would then be in control.
That sends shivers down my spine.
Mind you i`ve only read about her comments in the Aussie media, ie. controled information output.

Cheers,
Slim.

[bodzoyfa]

and, you will go straight to hell, for doing it

exchanger, you believe in hell?!

[dolphin]

Regarding Martial Law/Police State scenarios, consider this: There are 300 million people in America. 90% of all our military are overseas, the other 10% are keeping the military installations going on a skeleton crew basis. Backup for the regular forces is the National Guard which is made up of your neighbors and friends. Now, there are 14,000 gang members in south LA alone. In a time of 'unrest' it would take just about ALL of the existing military to contain just this one area. So, will a goon squad come breaking down your door in rural wherever to take your guns and haul you off to a 'camp'? Highly unlikely. Remember during Katrina that 40% of the police force abandoned their post to go home and protect their own family. As I have mentioned in other posts, spending time discussing all of these negative scenarios is keeping us focused on the dark side when we should be concentrating on positive solutions to the problems that currently face us.

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skyking...look at phil schneider's testimony on youtube, david icke, alex jones, etc. THEY ALREADY HAVE THOUSANDS OF UN TROOPS HERE. they brought them here to do the dirty work, bec. in case american troops won't turn on their own, the UN troops will (russians, germans, eastern european, etc.).

and i too don't want to create fear, but i just feel it's a duty to warn people. do you realize this is similar to the time of nazi germany?... if you do nothing to inform people and you know what's going to happen then you are complicit. and i agree, this forum is about TRUTH as unpleasant as that might be.

[Oiran]

I agree with your points, Dolphin. IF we reach a point of Martial Law, foreign military will step in to do the "dirty work," if need be.

Also, in reference to SkyKing's point, ("Now, there are 14,000 gang members in south LA alone. In a time of 'unrest' it would take just about ALL of the existing military to contain just this one area.") I have heard from several in-the-know sources that IF sh*t hits the fan, Los Angeles will be abandoned all together. I was told that LA, Atlanta and New York City have already been deemed, "Abandonment Zones," (I'm sure there are others, but these three I have heard from several independent sources) meaning the military and police will simply leave.... then it will be "every man for himself."

Hopefully, this worst-case-scenario does not unfold, but as we all know, the future is not written in stone.

[Morgan]

Something that could indicate an answer to this query is a German film 'Das Experiment' from 2001. A study where a group of men were divided into prisoners and prison guards. Let's just say the people conducting the study lost control of the guards, to put it nicely.

[THE eXchanger]

and, you will go straight to hell, for doing it

exchanger, you believe in hell?!

i believe in "greater" potential places,
and, also "lesser" places
and, being in this NOW
(and, now, can be hell, if you do NOT play your cards right)

the sum of your set of choices
i call "The Consquences",
and, it is my belief,
that this, is the guiding force,
that propels you to discovering potentials,
greater/or lesser,
than, the place you are right NOW

NOW, is simply...The Pivot, that you sit in

to make choices / or, to observe

since i have NEVER been to hell
(at least NOT in this lifetime)
i can NOT know that to be a fact
(instead, it would merely be an opinion)

i have taken a journey
into the underworlds,
to "retieve" things...
just, as, i have taken journeys
to other dimensions, and,
other worlds
(however, i can NOT prove this)
to be a fact, it just is, what it is

after_all, hell, can eXist, right here on earth

so, would it NOT, depend largely,
on your definition of a hell,
and, what my definition of hell,
would be, before hell could be properly debated
and, the truth of its existence be revealed

so, in saying that,
it would be impossible to debate someone,
if, both, have NOT clearly tabled,
their own definitions for places/or things
such as hell

brightest blessings
susan
the eXchanger

[Orion Morris]

Rocky Shorz I have to say that I agree with seeing clearly on this issue. Even if we took up our guns and battled we would loose. Like seeing clearly said they would use foreign troops to contain us. Our police would not show up to work on a day like that and we would be individuals then. This is why we need to join togeather now and bring all of humanity to an understanding that we are all the same their is no enemy their is just different levels of understanding. Our country has never been free and until our conciusness wakes up we will never be free.
Right now were free to do as they tell us.

[visual co-creator]

*

[JohnWdoe]

Debatable thread indeed.

Some police are nice people well others just look for something to hit, i have a personal feeling they will NOT turn against us in droves but maybe some will turn. Police officers deal with "vile" "scummy" "poor" "crazed" people everyday as they say, i would not be surprised if some corrupt police turn against humanity and take out the trash (as they would say).

I have met many cops who actually are quite "tuned" into the daily process of being an officer, its interesting because he looked at me like i wasnt even human (more so not there) we could go into over working and being burnt out but i think we all understand that.

So i was speaking with this officer and happened to express my opinions in a genuine way and he snapped right out of his mindset and realized it wasnt just another ticket but a human being, we ended up talking about life for awhile and he said to me "boy if i hadnt of talked to you id think your a punk" i laughed and told him to bring that back to his people well mocking a native american, he got the idea i was going for.

Judge me and ill kindly poke fun at the judgment with a paradox, he walked away chewing on the idea for a couple hours :)

[arcora]

Remember,

They will be out in droves once the feces hits the fan. They and their families will be safe and well fed. The multitudes will not be.

They will justify their actions to keep themselves and families out of trouble. They will not want to cross the line and jump into the mess. It is human nature.

[Antaletriangle]

In the U.K. traffic wardens have been given PACE cards in a clandestine manner.This gives them the right to do the job of a police officer,i.e. searching your home, arresting and may be able to carry guns.Why have they been given these powers in an undisclosed format?I think it's quite obvious-if any martial law is declared then the police officers will be as extra soldiers that will be needed by the black cabal to try and restrain the general populus,thus the traffic wardens will do the police job.


http://www.conspiracyresearch.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=41772






The following story comes from David Icke's newsletter and although the story is'nt sourced.The BBC have reported today that traffic wardens will now be called "civil enforcement officers".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7318669.stm

What does the future hold that would that would require Traffic Wardens to carry "PACE" cards, or the authority to enter your premises?


David Icke Newsletter, March 30th 2008

IS THE 'METER MAID' ...



... COMING INTO YOUR HOME?

Hello all ...

Many people will remember the Beatles song, Lovely Rita, from the Sgt. Pepper's album released in 1967. It's theme is a 'meter maid', one of the thousands of women - and men, of course - who walk the streets of Britain pasting fines onto the windscreens of vehicles parked in 'violation' of the parking laws.

As the Beatles sang ...

Lovely Rita meter maid
Nothing can come between us
When it gets dark I tow your heart away
Standing by a parking meter
When I caught a glimpse of Rita
Filling in a ticket in her little white book
In a cap she looked much older
And the bag across her shoulder
Made her look a little like a military man

These 'Meter Maids' are known officially as 'traffic wardens' or 'parking attendants' and their numbers have exploded in the last few years, along with the money they are fleecing from drivers for often the most minor and insignificant of alleged 'offences'.

It's become yet another money-scam to steal still more of the peoples' income, but from what I have been told in the last week it is soon to become much more than that. This is a story about specific plans for the UK, but it is highly relevant to readers of these newsletters across the world because the same principle, or lack of it, will apply everywhere.

I have said many times in my books and these newsletters that a fascist dictatorship cannot impose itself only from the 'top'. It has to infiltrate the fine detail of our lives and that means recruiting from the people to police the people. Unfortunately, there is no shortage of takers and it may be about to get a whole lot more serious.



I received a letter from a UK traffic warden last week who reads my books and has become deeply alarmed at what he has been told is happening - facts confirmed by his own experience.

I can't give his name or the county in which he works to protect his identity from his employers, but I have had a long conversation with him and seen the 'cards' he referred to in his letter.

The man, I will call him 'Andy' to keep the text simple, has been a traffic warden for some two decades and his job has always been focussed on issues relating to traffic and parking law - nothing else - because that is all that traffic wardens are supposed to be involved with.

All was well, he said, until about five years ago when changes in management brought a whole new change of emphasis. Suddenly, it was no longer about keeping the traffic moving efficiently; it was all about issuing as many parking tickets as possible to increase dramatically the money taken from motorists in fines.

Andy said that many wardens left in protest with comments like 'The heart has been ripped out of this job' and 'We are now managed by robots'.

This has happened all over the country, something I have emphasised from time to time in these newsletters. I also obtained the figures for my own local council on the Isle of Wight under the Freedom of Information Act to establish that the revenue taken from drivers in parking fines on this one little island has soared by hundreds of thousands of pounds a year since 2004 - around the same period that 'Andy' talks about in his case.



However, increasing revenue on such a vast scale, it seems, was only stage one.

In his letter, Andy described how he was asked to see his office manager for a 'quiet word', during which he was given three cards for himself and his colleagues:

* The first card dealt with his work on parking issues. Fair enough, that's his job, but the other two left him bewildered and increasingly concerned at what was going on.

* Card number two was a 'Pace' card, which is short for 'Police Action and Court Evidence, with the words that police officers have to say in law when they are arresting someone:

'You do not have to say anything, but it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence.'

Traffic wardens have no need whatsoever to know this police caution text because they are not in a position where they would - or can at present - use it. Only the police and some other government law enforcement officers have this power of arrest.

* The third card authorised Andy and his colleagues to act on behalf of the council for the enforcement of various statutory provisions - 'including entering and inspecting premises'.

What the hell has entering and inspecting premises and the words said during a police arrest got to do with people who simply issue tickets to motorists illegally parked??

This was the question Andy put to his bosses when the cards were issued, but he was told that they had been ordered to distribute the cards and Andy should just keep them safe until he was told to use them.

Some time later, Andy met a police officer he knew from some years before. After a general chat among other wardens, the officer pulled Andy aside and said he wanted to speak in private.

The officer said that Andy should not breathe a word of what he was about to tell him, and he was only telling him the information because he was an old friend.

He said that for months he had been on 'special duties' coordinating a top secret operation, meeting with 'top brass' from the police and national and local government. This was happening all over the country, he said, and certain officers had been chosen - or were having to do - what he was doing.

The officer asked for another promise from Andy not to reveal details of the conversation before saying that the government was preparing for what he was about to reveal 'well, well, in advance'. They were expecting ...

'... a war, a lot of riots, a lot of very big trouble.'

The officer said that he understood that Andy and his colleagues had been given a number of cards, one with the Pace caution and one giving permission to enter various premises.

'Let's just say, I know, now, the reason you have been given them is because when all of this happens, and it will, we [the police] will be on the front line with the armed forces and people in your kind of jobs ... parking wardens, security officers, CCTV operatives and so on will be required to do our job.'

'You must be joking, that's crazy', Andy replied.

'I'm not joking', the officer said, this is on the level. I am just putting you wise to what will happen, but the main thing is please don't tell anyone.'

This would fit in the sense that if the UK government entered into another war, say with Iran in league with the United States, there would undoubtedly be massive civil unrest in protest. And once the public in large numbers start to realise that the conspiracy I have been warning about all these years is happening, there is further enormous potential for civil resistance.

Now here was this police officer talking about having the military on the streets of Britain to deal with the protests and have no doubt that the same will be planned for other countries.



A few days after Andy wrote to me and we had a follow up conversation, I saw a story in the UK Daily Mail and some other papers about plans to rename traffic wardens 'civil enforcement officers'.

What an Orwellian title this is and right in line with what Andy was told. These newly-designated 'civil enforcement officers' will have added powers to:

• Hand out tickets for littering, fly-posting and graffiti.

• Issue fixed-penalty notices for driving in bus-lanes or jumping red lights.

• Report anti-social behaviour and be involved in collecting evidence for 'Asbos' - Anti-Social-Behaviour-Orders.

• Be summoned in front of a parking regulator in court to give evidence.

But, of course, these are only stepping-stones, the Totalitarian Tiptoe, to what these 'civil enforcement officers' are designed eventually to be - law enforcement officers with at least many of the powers of the current police. Their job will be to spy on the people on behalf of the fascist dictatorship, which is precisely the structure they had in Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union.

Traffic wardens have already had their powers increased in the last five years to include offences previously dealt with only by trained police officers and we have clearly seen nothing yet. Traffic wardens are now being described in some reports as the 'eyes and ears' of the police and we also have the 14,000 (and rising) 'Special Constables', volunteer members of the public who wear a uniform and outrageously, as their website confirms, have full police powers.

Once again, the 'Special Constabulary' so often attracts the very last people that should have such powers over anyone.

The Hidden Hand is building the personnel to police the fascist State in readiness for the time when enough people start to realise what is really happening.



There are some genuine, decent traffic wardens like Andy, but large numbers of those have been leaving the job because they could not stand the way their roles had been changed and the management dictatorship they now have to deal with.

It is no longer about serving the public, but simply imposing more and more fines to generate more and more money and that attracts a very different kind of person to those we had in much greater numbers before.

It attracts those who are quite willing to rip off the public on behalf of the government without a word of protest or conscience. I have written before in these newsletters of how it has changed in my own town in just this way. The traffic is moving no better than it did before - only the till.

The thought of some of these arrogant, strutting John Wayne-wannabees in their silly hats getting many of the powers of the police presents a quite horrible picture. At least one of them in my town would do the public a far greater service by having a bath than getting the power to enter their homes.

The uniform does attract some people with a desire to serve the public and what a nightmare it must be for those genuine and thinking wardens still in the job. But ever more today it is a magnet for those who want power over others - the very last personality-type that should be given such power.

Ahhh, but that's precisely the character trait desired by the system because these fodder in uniform, the peons who only think they have power, are simply there to be robotic, unquestioning, indeed unthinking, enforcers of the dictatorship.

They have no power themselves, except in their fevered minds. Their only 'power' is to serve the orders of the dictatorship and when they don't comply their 'power' is removed, for it was never theirs in the first place.



Nazi Germany was awash with them in every community and without them the famous names, the Hitlers and Himmlers, could not have imposed their will or identified those challenging their horrors.

All dictatorships need the little people to do that, the 'Yessir', cap-touchers in uniform, who take the Führer's dollar to enforce the will of the few on the many and spill the beans on those who refuse to submit and conform.

It makes them feel 'big', important' people when, in truth, they come no smaller.

In so many ways, what is happening in this regard mirrors what has happened in Canada with the government's 'Human Rights' Commission, exposed at length on my website, where peoples' human rights are abused and disregarded by a bunch of untrained, biased, and corrupt officials who have to meet none of the legal criteria of a real court and thus allow justice to be bypassed to serve their own self-obsessions and personal hatreds.

Here we have an unfolding plan to give power over peoples' lives to the untrained, often brain-dead-in-uniform who, from personal experience, I would not trust to summon two brain cells on active duty.

No, they are not all like that, of course not, but enough are to make what I am describing here something that we need urgently to address.

It's also another indication of how detailed is this agenda for mass human control and how coordinated. Firstly, the number of traffic wardens was increased by turning it all into a money-making exercise and no longer one dedicated to public service; this attracted not only lots more traffic wardens to the streets, but often the kind of person who is quite happy to fleece the public to the greatest extent possible on behalf of the government; then they change the designation from 'traffic warden' to 'civil enforcement officers' and start to give them the powers of the police.

To those who still say there is no conspiracy, the no-conspiracy theorists, as I call them, I would ask this question: Do you really believe that the above sequence has only happened by 'accident' when it is only one of millions of convenient 'sequences' that have led us to the Orwellian State??

Breathe, Dave, breathe.

The rabbit hole is indeed deeper than even the more aware people begin to imagine.

[100thmonkey]

They don't need to control everybody, just the survivors.

I think that if martial law is declared in the US it will only happen in response to some major event. If this is disease or bio-weapon related then that would easily be reason to declare certain areas 'abandonement zones' as mentioned, and would also justify the use of extreme measures in general population control.

Along with this it would also seem more justified in the eyes of the people and, as always, patriots will obey their authorities in such circumstances.
If martial law had been declared in New York after 9/11 there'd probably be as much patriotic support for it as resistance, especially if there was a story to go with it, like, "We've got word there are still plots in development", and so on.

Don't forget elites like Bush Sr, Cheney, etc. also have their own personal SS in the form of their Blackwater Mercenaries and others (Blackwater is approx. 190,000 fully equipped hardcore war fans).
The elites don't have to call on official gov't forces to be able to wield military force.

They have their lists of people to round up. When a situation of martial law is declared, in the initial period of civilian dumbfounded obedience in response to the scare of whatever threat has precipitated it, will be when these forces go and round up the leaders and noted members of groups that they know will resist the official martial law forces.

By the time the general population ever realise what is really going on they will have no leadership to guide any united resistance, and can be controlled more easily... especially if population levels have been drastically reduced by bioweapons, etc.

At least in theory...

...but never fear, the North American Union will be the salvation ...the Phoenix rising from the ashes of the old USA... :wink2:

[gazbom]

I was having a conversation with a buddy who is also in the know and he doesn't think our own will turn against us and there will not be enough foreign troops to come in and do the job. Can our cops, who our citizens in our own comunities, go against the constitution, their freinds and famliy? What are your thoughts?

They are not ours!
They belong to George Bush and Gordon Brown and the like and yes they will do there job professionally because that's what they are good at!

[Greg10036]

There is not a military or police force in the world big enough to take on the American people. Every one of them know this nation would be bloodied inch by inch with their own blood. The only way for a government to take on the American people would be to nuke us. We are a nation of peaceful warriors. Were civil war to happen, in the words of Admiral Yamamoto, who bombed Pearl Harbor but did not want to, "We have awakened a sleeping lion." Keep the faith. Love and Peace.
Greg

[Rocky_Shorz]

There is not a military or police force in the world big enough to take on the American people.
Greg

And now a new dimension has opened, this is one nation under God and many of us are lighting up with the strength to go head to head with the most powerful of the Illuminati, the difference is, we know who they are and where to concentrate our energies against them.

Many of us are in direct communications with ETs that have promised to step in when they are needed...

The current powers have no clue of the strength they are going to be up against...

I have delivered 3 messages that have been followed by disasters of Biblical proportions.

This is a Spiritual Battle, and the Earth Angels are raising their swords, prepared for this coming battle...

[Rocky_Shorz]

I have connected with both Bush and Putin, and neither man is evil or wants the world to escalate to Nuclear war. Putin has made a quick cold world build-up just to let the powers that be know if the move happens it will be painful.

Two players in this mess are wicked and I am unable to touch the heart of either because of the darkness surrounding them. The Grande Ayasolla from Iran and Chavez.

Those of you who know how to share the light, need to concentrate on both of them to break them free from the binds keeping them from being touched by the light.

I think if we get through to both of them, that this will all be over...

[100thmonkey]

...The Grande Ayasolla from Iran and Chavez.
...
I think if we get through to both of them, that this will all be over...I kind of think you'd be focussing on the wrong end of the spectrum with those two. There are bigger fish out there, like Bush Sr. & Cheney for starters. :winksmiley02:

[Whitewolf]

I kind of think you'd be focussing on the wrong end of the spectrum with those two. There are bigger fish out there, like Bush Sr. & Cheney for starters. :winksmiley02:

Thank you! lol

[Rocky_Shorz]

I kind of think you'd be focussing on the wrong end of the spectrum with those two. There are bigger fish out there, like Bush Sr. & Cheney for starters. :winksmiley02:

one is too old to worry about the other just wants to sell weapons...

I've already looked into Cheney, he's powered by greed but isn't surrounded by darkness...

I visited him at time of his heart problems... he's not one to worry about.

[Rocky_Shorz]

I was on the water several hundred yards from him when he was hooked while out fishing. Back then he was powerful, but let down his defenses when he was injured. That was my first awakening that not all American's have halos...

He's too weak to be a part of the upcoming battle...

[Humble Janitor]

This is the reason why the second amendment must remain in place. Even though I personally hate guns, I cannot justify dis-arming the population as a whole because it removes the ability to fight back in nightmare scenarios, such as the one mentioned in this thread.

[taiji]

yes i belive so ... it all depend if the have a inplante or a frequence that will affete there jugement

[TranceAm]

This is the reason why the second amendment must remain in place. Even though I personally hate guns, I cannot justify dis-arming the population as a whole because it removes the ability to fight back in nightmare scenarios, such as the one mentioned in this thread.

From the horses mouth:

SBN: 06-080332-0
Harper & Row, Publishers
Aleksanderl. Solzhenitsyn The Gulag Archipeago

Chapter 1, Arrest, Page 13, subnote 5 (To be complete.)

"And how we burned in the camps later, Thinking: What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family?

Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the city, people had not simply sat there in their liars, paling with terror at every bang of the down-stairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?

After all, you knew ahead of time that those bluecaps were out at night for no good purpose . And you could be sure ahead of time that you'd be cracking the skull of a cutthroath. Or what about the black Maria sitting out there on the street with one lonely chauffeur-- what if it had been driven off or its tires spiked? The Organs would very quicky have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have groud to a halt!"

May his soul experience infinity in peace.

[Myra]

There is not a military or police force in the world big enough to take on the American people. Every one of them know this nation would be bloodied inch by inch with their own blood. The only way for a government to take on the American people would be to nuke us. We are a nation of peaceful warriors. Were civil war to happen, in the words of Admiral Yamamoto, who bombed Pearl Harbor but did not want to, "We have awakened a sleeping lion." Keep the faith. Love and Peace.
Greg

As much as I'm afraid of them coming after us to put us in their FEMA camps I also see they are outnumbered by how many American people there are. And will all of the cops and soldiers obey orders if it came down to this? I even ask that about foriegn troops. Why would all of a sudden droves of cops and soldiers round us up and put us in Nazi camps? For what? What did WE do? :shocked:

In that case I think that the entire World would want the Gov rounded up, and the NWO rounded up instead because they are responsible. WTF have the American people done to be put in concentration camps???

I know what the NWO wants to do, but they need to justify it to their trained soldiers to have it carried out. Yes there are numerous bad cops and soldiers BUT there are good ones too that when it comes down to it will see the heinousness of it all and will not comply.

[mntruthseeker]

The way I am reading it, they will. Yes there are many foreign military in the USA. Lots of them are underground. But they will when it comes down to you or I. YES Our military is already training men and woman from other countries. Nothing surprises me anymore

When the holocaust was pulled off, hitler was handed the military personel... He never pulled that off himself and that fast. Those people were starved to death just as to what happened in Africa and other places. This is not new. So you see the illuminati'd never go into it half blind. The military gets big bonuses to fight us but death to them and their family if they don't. Look at what black water gets paid daily? Our own military personel's that are involved get 4 to 5 thousand a month. GREED

The cops that are in my family are all eagar to join. They get a kick out of making us suffer. Do I sound Cruel? No, I have just seen too much.

So yes, when the s..t hits the fan. They will turn on their own family. its live or die.

Just my opinion :mad3:

[Rocky_Shorz]

If every police officer in the country got together they could not win a battle against the 13,000 gang members in LA alone...

They are held to a higher standard and can't just start blowing up homes to get the one person causing the problems.

Once they crossed the line of decency, the public would rise up beside the gangs...

I'm afraid all of this has already been decided in a think tank, their only choice would be unleash a deadly virus to knock down the population and make all of us think they are picking us up to help...

[Humble Janitor]

Theoretically, police officers are public citizens that have been sworn to uphold the laws and the Constitution of their respective states/counties and the United States as well.

Who's to say that they wouldn't want to protect their own interests (family, not as sinister as some think) and refuse to follow orders in time of chaos?

[mntruthseeker]

It would be nice if they would join sides with us

I:biggrin2:

[Rocky_Shorz]

I wouldn't give it a second thought, they already have...

[Machinamentum]

I don't think that we will be fighting our own troops, i think that we will be fighting the UN troops and more than likely they will be from that hate us. The UN is already guarding our national forests from us.

[tomatochip]

Yes. I agree eXchanger. As the earth's vibration rises, the old paradigm will disintegrate. Cops turning on the people in their communities? Sure. Look at the military. They implement horrors on other men, women and children, simply because they are told to do it. Do you think the police are any different? Look at what they are doing now with their tasers! These people (if they are human at all) are so dumbed down and programmed they no longer have the capacity to think and reason right from wrong. There is only the orders and the agenda that comes from the one paying them. I'd really like to believe in the good will of humanity and all that but just an observation of the daily news tells me otherwise. I like eXchangers comments here in that it is like a cancer that will destroy itself as it fights for it's own survival. They will take themselves out, because they don't go the way of the divine path which is love, allowance and freedom. I believe that most of the 'people' in those postitions are probably clones anyway. What human being who is connected to his/her source carry out such atrocitities on order for a paycheck?

[franzBardon]

Regarding Martial Law/Police State scenarios, consider this: There are 300 million people in America. 90% of all our military are overseas, the other 10% are keeping the military installations going on a skeleton crew basis. Backup for the regular forces is the National Guard which is made up of your neighbors and friends. Now, there are 14,000 gang members in south LA alone. In a time of 'unrest' it would take just about ALL of the existing military to contain just this one area. So, will a goon squad come breaking down your door in rural wherever to take your guns and haul you off to a 'camp'? Highly unlikely. Remember during Katrina that 40% of the police force abandoned their post to go home and protect their own family. As I have mentioned in other posts, spending time discussing all of these negative scenarios is keeping us focused on the dark side when we should be concentrating on positive solutions to the problems that currently face us.


you present a logical observation however, you have not taken into consideration that there are ALSO very .. .very large, sophisticated, well trained, and well armed PRIVATIZED FORCES; among the more notible BLACKWATER. the same privatized mercenary group that were/are employed in the middle east AND were present after hurricane katrina hit. what's concerning about blackwater (and other private forces), is that they are NOT obligated to NOR adhere to the US constitutional or military laws (immunization from prosecution...) . it is quite likely blackwater will ALSO be apart of the forces employed IN the US oct.1st or soon there after. of course people need to remain calm vigilant, and well informed. i've provided links below for those unfamiliar with who and what blackwater forces are.

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/368.html (quick overview)

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/174.html (very detailed)

[THE eXchanger]

Yes. I agree eXchanger. As the earth's vibration rises, the old paradigm will disintegrate. Cops turning on the people in their communities? Sure. Look at the military. They implement horrors on other men, women and children, simply because they are told to do it. Do you think the police are any different? Look at what they are doing now with their tasers! These people (if they are human at all) are so dumbed down and programmed they no longer have the capacity to think and reason right from wrong. There is only the orders and the agenda that comes from the one paying them. I'd really like to believe in the good will of humanity and all that but just an observation of the daily news tells me otherwise. I like eXchangers comments here in that it is like a cancer that will destroy itself as it fights for it's own survival. They will take themselves out, because they don't go the way of the divine path which is love, allowance and freedom. I believe that most of the 'people' in those postitions are probably clones anyway. What human being who is connected to his/her source carry out such atrocitities on order for a paycheck?

:welcomeani: tomotoe chip
and, in surprise, arizonia :)
(i want to go there) :mfr_lol:

indeed--most men/and, women,
went home to look after their families:lightsabre:

it is our children, that we are all creating this world for

and, in the present,
the current state of affairs,
it is NOT a gift we are leaving them !!!

instead, unless many turn towards "the light"

and, start a process to re-connect, to eXchange with others, correctly, instead, it would be a mess,
that will be left to them

we must, collectively work together
to reach, those, the 1,000,000 children
(over the years, who have gone missing)
i believe, they form, what is termed "the lost army"
(this is a big topic) one in which,
is very difficult to table

please everyone when we go to bed tonight
ask what i call, YOUR CAPSTONE/your essence
that biggest part of you,
to call out to these "lost ones"...
so, their controllers, can NO longer control them

essence contact, is very powerful--in fact,
it is the grandest tool, that we have !!!

It is so necessary,
that YOUR ORIGINAL SPARK,
be engaged with THIS CAPSTONE/or ESSENCE,
as, i call it ...we can do so much in our dream-time,
i hope to reveal much information, on this very soon

brightest blessings to all

i am susan ~white lotus star
the eXchanger

[THE eXchanger]

view this video --- while it is still on google

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3395321338401208062&ei=SDfNSN33Gob-qAOj1umxAg&q=franklin+coverup&hl=en

[Stinkhorn]

I think they will identify anyone who will give them trouble, they will send in a small group fully armored, equiped with ar-15's. If you give them trouble, they will report back and shell your house from a mile away.

I dont think they will screw around with our rights, they will trample them instantly and make a showcase out of troublemakers in a big way.

[argosi]

When do we stop and realize that we are the creators of what's going to happen? That we have been given this power as it has been discussed in this forum. However, the conversations always revert back to what THEY will do vs. whet WE (I) can do. Si I guess that we continue this way, the assunmption that THEY will turn against us will become true.

[mntruthseeker]

Number one favorite answer in the world


They have already turned

:yikes:

[777 The Great Work]

I was having a conversation with a buddy who is also in the know and he doesn't think our own will turn against us and there will not be enough foreign troops to come in and do the job. Can our cops, who our citizens in our own comunities, go against the constitution, their freinds and famliy? What are your thoughts?

Our own family and friends are going to turn against us.They will aid in the gathering of those who are independent thinkers when they have no food and water. Not negative just facts. Its already happening.

By the way there have been foreign troops in the US since the 80s. Thousands

[Jacqui D]

Iluminati reject,
I have heard it said by our own David icke that our policing system in England will join the army and white collar workers civil servents will take their place.
the civil servents are already taking over!
They have been given rights to make arrests on things such as litter bugs,and bad behaviour, drinking in the streets etc;
I'm convinced it has already started in England!

[NikolaZ]

If this is to pass, they have the Blackwater security to do this for them. it is up to us to avoid this scenario, everyone of us.

[RSF]

Dunno?, read all the **** and seen some of videos on FEMA Camps. My question was and is, are you sure such camps.. are intended for bread and raised in America-Americans. I ask that as look at WW2.

The Japanese Americans were put into holding facilities. So I wonder if the recently built (Incl DIA) FEMA camps may be for Islamic fundamentalists and others in the extreme, living within the USA?

RSF

[TheGhost]

this isn't a valid debate if you have found the road here you should know the answer. the police are more and more your enemy daily. the new wave of police are trained in a more foul manner than the SS. they feel entitled and when people feel entitled they run amok. they feel a vast need to stand above you and show they are above you .

Exactly right, in my opinion.
Also, police are selected based on psychological tests as well as trained using psychological methods.
Police will shoot to kill even when they could subdue someone by shooting them in the leg, for instnce, because they are trained to shoot to kill; they are not trained to wound.
The training is such that the police officer with the gun instinctively follows his training rather than thinking about the individual human being whose life he is about to end.

If any of you have friends or family who are police officers ask them what they would do if they were ever ordered against the people and I bet you they skate around the issue rather than give you a direct answer. The truth is, they will follow orders and, of course, they don't want you to know that in advance.

[TranceAm]

Just in a vid with Common Sense about Martial Law.

I am sorry about some shocking words.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vulfeAH-MWc

He does make a point there, however, it won't be whole towns that will revolt.
It will only be a couple per 1000 that are radicals..

[arcora]

Just in a vid with Common Sense about Martial Law.

I am sorry about some shocking words.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vulfeAH-MWc

He does make a point there, however, it won't be whole towns that will revolt.
It will only be a couple per 1000 that are radicals..

Interesting opinion he has.

I disagree with him though. He thinks it is impossible for the govt to enforce it and he is wrong. History has proven it is not only possible but easy.

An old Chinese proverb says, "Kill one to scare a thousand."

[RASE]

If there is ever to be a revolution or coup, it will come from the country's military services. They understand war, politics, and money. Keep in mind that the vast majority of the campaign contributions made from military personnel were Ron Paul. I feel concerned of course, that we are in violation of the law by requesting that our armed forces act to enforce the law on US soil, but I'm definitely not worried that our military forces would ever fire on the public just to prop up any particular administration. In fact, an administration would have to be insane or at the end of their rope to even issue the order. (oops:badmood:)

[Archangel]

Unfortunatley, I do believe history is against us in this one. Having been trained by the Army I understand that many times the Army and individual units replace Nationality in times of conflict. When fighting, it is for the man next to you, and I believe if a citizen uses force they will be met with overwhelming force, unless they understand how to conduct asymetric Warfare. That is their, (ARMY), advantage. Many citizens will not know when it will be time to go Guns Once you do you have to go all the way and their is no undoing a killing. The Iraqi people are teaching us how to fight technologically superior armies. It is not just The U.S. military that is learning warfare. They are coming to realize the deadly nature of insurgent warfare where death can strike from anywhere at anytime, with or without the enemy present. We have so many ex military in this country that know how to conduct insurgent warfare as well as make IED's and other various weapons such as Napalm amoung others, that any form of civil war here would create catastrophic loses for Military forces. I believe the choice will confront each of us where we will have to choose to die fighting or being killed in a camp or taking an oath to the New World order complete with Mocrochip. I pitty those who choose the latter, certainly it is the death of a thousand cuts. When people buckle, fold or choose the Peaceful way out they enable the behavior that has created the situation. If you understand their end game of Population reduction by some 6 billion people or 90% of the existing population, then you understand they plan on killing you anyway. Think about that, They want to KILL YOU, that is not OKAY, at least not for me. I do enjoy the spirit of the site and it's members, very thoughtful and thought provoking. At the end of the day nothing is set in stone and for now the telephone and internet may be the most powerful weapons in the arsenal. Please contact your Representatives when something doesn't seem right to you in what they are doing. It will help you to know that you exhausted all options should you ever be confronted with such unthinkable scenarios as the ones we are contemplating here on this forum.

[OrganicFarmhand]

Even if the Military does not go along with these neocons the Air Force is working on a solution that could be available in the near future. here is a link to a small article and a short 5min clip of a bird sized drone capable of murder or deploying bioterror attacks. Seems like the movie blade runner!

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-robo-bug_bdsep14,0,7757745.story :lightsabre:

[warriorsoul]

I don't think they will turn against us, but they would help us. That's why the majority of them are in iraq. held there by intention? The cops would help us.

The forces that are here to be against us would the those loyal to THOSE people. I am guessing black water is one of those groups.

[THE eXchanger]

for example, if there are 9+1 at the centre

then, these guys have guys/or gals around them

and, then, these guys/or gals have guys/or gals around them

and, so on, out about 9 levels of depth

the outer rim, if it turned on the next layer

and, then, that layer turned on, the next layer

and, so on--it would NOT be that hard for them to destroy themselves

already people on the outside edges
(or, the bottom of the pole)
are going to start asking questions

sooner, or later,
a lot of them,
will NOT like the answers

once i was asking guides for info

and, i discovered that many things
follow an 80/20 type of rule

so, if 80% are good
then, only 20% are NOT good

that means, that out of 100 people

80 are good, and, 20 is NOT good

if in the 20% that are not good:
it follows another 80-20 rules

so 16 are NOT that bad, and, only 4 are bad

and, if you reduce it one more time

what are you left with ??? NOT much

CAN ONE evil person
stand on their own alone,
and, for how long

until all the threads of deception,
start to get unraveled

which begs a different question...
how many of you,
actually think this is a war ONLY in 3D ???

because, i believe, that is about the blindest
observation you can make !!!
in these times

anyway-- will it be like atlantis
some leave in shape ships,
while others, go into the sea ???

right NOW, we are seeing the greed cards
right out on the table
many of them, are affecting everyone

ironically, we think, everyone in the world
lives as we do -- when approx 80% of the world
makes less than $5.00/day,
and, are NOT recorded in systems, like we are

that last comment, kind of puts quite an interesting
slant, on what type of an experiment,
we are currently in ...
and, how it is, that,
we live in this world,
where 20% are really rich
and; 20% are really poor,
and, those ones, can look after themselves/
or, get looked after for free...

so, that leaves the group they never counted on

the middle classes

60% -- of this group
about 80% of them are trapped in debt
(paying monthly payments only--
and, unable to escape the mistake they have made,
of buying stuff, before they earned the right to have it)

and, 20% of them,
that are NOT trapped at all
and, pay their full balances monthly,
and, pay them NO interest

it's really quite amazing,
this world we live in,
where many think, everyone else,
lives as, they do,
when, clearly, 80% of the world,
do NOT live, like we do...at all !!!

perhaps, they are the rich ones ???

something to ponder/and, to chew on

(as, i think, i wonder what it might be like
to live in an obscure corner of russia/or china
mongolia, or tibet ) high up on a mountain (grin)

brightest blessings

susan~white lotus star
the eXchanger

[333mark333]

In the beginning yes. Later, no.

[zorgon]

I don't think they will turn against us, but they would help us. The cops would help us..

Really?

SWAT team raids mayor, shoots family dog because someone mailed them pot

Cheye Calvo, mayor of DC suburb Berwyn Heights, was raided by a SWAT team after 30lbs of marijuana was delivered to his home. They broke down his door, shot his two black labradors, and interrogated him and his wife as their dogs bled to death.

Turns out Calvo says he had no idea about the package, which was still outside, unopened and perhaps waiting for its real recipient to pick it up. Police say they still had sufficient cause to break in (even though they did not have a "no-knock warrant").

http://www.boingboing.net/2008/08/07/swat-team-raids-mayo.html

Killing of Mayor's 2 Dogs Justified, Pr. George's Finds
Officers in Raid Threatened, Sheriff Says
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/04/AR2008090402746.html

The necropsy concluded one dog was shot four times and the other twice, including once in the dog's back legs.

Calvo said the necropsy has bolstered his contention that neither dog was threatening law enforcement officers during the raid and that one dog was shot from behind as he fled into a back room.

A sheriff's department SWAT team and county police narcotics officers burst into the mayor's home July 29 after police intercepted a 32-pound package of marijuana addressed to Trinity Tomsic, Calvo's wife.

Police cleared Calvo and Tomsic of wrongdoing, saying they were victims of a drug smuggling scheme in which drug-filled packages addressed to unsuspecting recipients were intercepted by a FedEx deliveryman.

Botched Sting: Killed With Gun She Was Supposed to Buy
Alone With No Training, a Young Woman Dies Working as Police Informant

No training. A botched drug sting. A dead 23-year-old college graduate.
Rachel Hoffman had to choose between prison or working as an informant.

But authorities in Tallahassee, Fla., have yet to take any action against the police responsible for an undercover operation that led to the death of Rachel Hoffman, a recent graduate of Florida State University.

Police Chief Dennis Jones, interviewed for tonight's 20/20 broadcast, says he does not accept that his department is in any way responsible for the death of the young woman.

"Do we feel responsible? We're responsible for the safety of this community," Jones said, labeling Hoffman a "criminal" because she was caught twice with a baggie of marijuana.

She was told she would get off on the pot charge if she helped in the sting

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=5450550

Just google around a bit there are many similar stories.

[zorgon]

As for the military...

Well the PTB have that covered. Most weapons these days are being designed without a pilot or operator


Boeing

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/04images/Airplanes/A/041125111052z041201282344.jpg


British TANARIS

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/04images/Airplanes/Tanaris_01.jpg


NEURON Revealed at Paris Air Show...

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/04images/Airplanes/Neuron_01.jpg

Anyone wondered about all those "Black Triangle" UFO's :lmao:

NAVY

Zumwalt Class DDG 1000 destroyer

Only needs 23 people to operate
http://www.raytheon.com/broadcast/DDG_1000_overview.asx


Still feel safe?

:mfr_omg:

[zorgon]

Anyone remember THIS?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/65/Kent_State_massacre.jpg

The Kent State shootings, also known as the May 4 massacre or Kent State massacre,[2][3][4] occurred at Kent State University in the city of Kent, Ohio, and involved the shooting of students by members of the Ohio National Guard on Monday, May 4, 1970. Four students were killed and nine others were wounded, one of whom suffered permanent paralysis.[5]

Some of the students who were shot had been protesting against the American invasion of Cambodia, which President Richard Nixon announced in a television address on April 30. However, other students who were shot had merely been walking nearby or observing the protest from a distance.[6][7]

There was a significant national response to the shootings: hundreds of universities, colleges, and high schools closed throughout the United States due to a student strike of eight million students, and the event further divided the country, at this already socially contentious time, along political lines.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings

[MMe M]

I read a comment that there are too many Americans’ for them to realistically subdue. Here is a picture to think about when you feel numbers are the only thing that matters.


http://http://holocaust-info.dk/auschwitz/selection.htm

caption of picture. How many does it take to subdue such a large number? Not too many, looks like.

In Auschwitz, all Jews arriving at the camp was were exposed to a "selection" in which those fit for work were seperated from those unfit for work. Those able for work were tranferred to the main camp, where they normally worked or starved to death. Those unfit for work were gassed immediately.

Regarding their advanced weapons, we as a collective have the power to be a force to be reckoned with, or be lambs led to slaughter. They are better equipped, we are motivated by pure survival mentality. If its foreign troops you are concerned about, we have a home field advantage. Our second amendment rights have already been walked all over, and are absolutely essential not only to defense but to survival in the form of hunting for food as well. We must not give up our guns. NOBODY will have the luxury of being a good little captive and live to tell the tale. We will have to fight to survive.

Better to die on your feet than live on your knees.

[Rocky_Shorz]

So Faal, who said foreign troops were being moved into our country to protect assets for China, is now saying foreign troops have been moved in for the new world order and are under the command of our leaders.

The interesting part is in her message, she says top US Military is standing against our leaders...

wow, what a spin...

[feardia]

Of course they will, because they will all be chipped, freemasons, blackwater employees or clones, while all the young men of military age will be sent off to fight in the NWO foreign wars. They will not take everyone, those who take the chip and work with their system will be spared.

"When they came for the Jews, I did nothing. When they came for the communists i did not nothing. When they came for me, there was no one left to do anything."

[freekatz]

We only have to look at their behaviour at the recent RNC conventions to answer that question.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlpxIIJ09X4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmQrWTRAZmA&feature=related


I'm not sure why Americans still think that they are a different race to the rest of the world. It doesn't matter what country you are in, when the order comes down whether it be police or military, none of them are going to have the courage to stand up and defy orders - show me a time in history where it has actually happened.

[joe2288]

I don't think they will turn against us, but they would help us. That's why the majority of them are in iraq. held there by intention? The cops would help us.

The forces that are here to be against us would the those loyal to THOSE people. I am guessing black water is one of those groups.

:thumb_yello: you got that right were here to help our poeple not hurt them
so if u honestly think the army would just start shooting people you need to stop take a deep breath a rethink everything u know about the army

:smoke:

[sebring1963]

They may if they use Blackwater

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=nqM4tKPDlR8

[AndyH]

:thumb_yello: you got that right were here to help our poeple not hurt them
so if u honestly think the army would just start shooting people you need to stop take a deep breath a rethink everything u know about the army

:smoke:

Tell that to the BRITISH people shot by the BRITISH army in N.I.

[Rocky_Shorz]

:thumb_yello: you got that right were here to help our poeple not hurt them
so if u honestly think the army would just start shooting people you need to stop take a deep breath a rethink everything u know about the army

:smoke:

Well Joe, we're glad you are on our side...

We are a people that have lived Free our whole lives, if every police officer in America was gathered together, it wouldn't be a force big enough to take on LA Gangs...

All these Martial Law conversations lead back to the same truths...

America may get knocked to its knees by a cheap blow, but I pity the fools that attacked us when we get back up... We are no longer the sleeping Giant.

There is no power in the world that could rise up against us when we all stand together...

[SteveTPA]

Interesting perspectives on this thread. I will go out on a limb and make a prediction: there will be a split. Actually, it's already happening, in particular in the military. Google or search YouTube for Adam Kokesh. Here's one of his speeches:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7W6Xp6GG0M

How many more of him are in the police or the military? There will always be mindless sadistic goons that will never pass up an opportunity to hurt someone, but others are committed to the American Constitution and will fight on the side of the people. I feel that ultimately the good guys will win, after much turmoil, and we will emerge a greater nation. Adam says soldiers have a right and a duty to disobey illegal orders.

Let's hope many of them get his message. :trumpet:

[TranceAm]

[QUOTE=freekatz;65034 show me a time in history where it has actually happened.[/QUOTE]

I only know of a picture since you can bet $1000 on what the order for that first tank driver were.... And he refused.:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d8/Tianasquare.jpg

There is a difference, between following orders to regain law and order, and plain murder on command.

[AndyH]

I only know of a picture since you can bet $1000 on what the order for that first tank driver were.... And he refused.:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d8/Tianasquare.jpg

Tianenmen square is a great example of personal power.
However, don't be deluded into thinking that all forms of power will merely crumble on their own. It's a great dream, but you have to make it a reality...just like that brave chinese lad.
As I pointed out, it's been done time and time again in the past, the armed forces are great brainwashers..believe me.

If you want the future so many of us envision on this thread then you have to post "truth vids" (and only selective real heavy hitters which cannot be denied, not speculative stuff) on other forums all over the internet. You have to spread the message everywhere.

Use this forum by all means to keep spirits up and in contact with others who are awakened but don't preach to the choir.

http://www.big-boards.com/

^ Go for it.

[Swanny]

On May 4, 1970 the Ohio National Guard opened fire into a busy college campus during a school day. A total of 67 shots were fired in 13 seconds. Four students: (L to R) Allison Krause, William Schroeder, Jeffrey Miller, and Sandra Scheuer were killed. Nine students were wounded.

http://www.may4.org/


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/65/Kent_State_massacre.jpg/250px-Kent_State_massacre.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings

It happened back then :(

[freekatz]

I only know of a picture since you can bet $1000 on what the order for that first tank driver were.... And he refused.:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d8/Tianasquare.jpg

There is a difference, between following orders to regain law and order, and plain murder on command.

The one tank driver refused...I'd be curious to know what happened to him and the beautiful human being in front of the tank. Did the madness stop there and all his fellow soldiers unite in defiance? Unfortunately I very much doubt it.

[Tuza]

Tuza:

Looking up gun shops - and looking for a couple of rocks.:mad3:

[TranceAm]

The one tank driver refused...I'd be curious to know what happened to him and the beautiful human being in front of the tank. Did the madness stop there and all his fellow soldiers unite in defiance? Unfortunately I very much doubt it.

Sadly here you are probably right. (But that was not your original challenge.. ;-)
And Swanny already has posted the counter example. (Although that was the National Guard. iirc)

I can only hope that the Constitution, The Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence will be the documents the Americans will gather around and defend, since they ARE the mutual and voluntary shared things in all those different realities they live in.

The Police Officer may not be a Police officer anymore but a Law enforcer, but inside that Uniform IS an American, that sees his documents challenged and disgraced, Same with the soldiers. The disgrace and abuse doesn't stop when they have enforced the law on some people that are accused of breaking a/any law in order to book/neutralize them. America AIN'T Communist China, where they can kill the opposition and then claim that there ain't no opposition.

The Americans may be misled for a while, but the documents and the ideas written in them cant be misled. America may be bankrupted by traitors in order to be embraced by the new world order.. But that doesn't mean that Americans are going to allow that the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence become the documents enshrining a failed experiment.

Now, the average American may be asleep, or not open to such thoughts at this moment because they do follow the law and trust the people that tell them what the law is, but then again.. It is all a case of threshold.... Somewhere the line is passed, and every American will see the Bull for what it is. And talk about going VIRAL.

And then the Tomahawk is dug up.
And when that happens, there is only one possibility that is true..
You will after you won, bury it again.

Now the big point, is that they want to conjure that spirit with the next attack, and we (And this is "our" task... And 4000 people as forum members may not be enough to have enough whistleblower entry points!) have to prove that it IS a false flag, if that is the case.

If we don't.. There will be no radiant zones, there will only be spreading radioactive zones.

Nuff said.

[Swanny]

Don't forget that if a angry protest is met by a military or police force all it takes is one shot to be fired, people panic and all hell could break loose, doesn't matter if there are family men involved, if they are fired on they will return fire.
America is very multi cultural so all you need is a bit of racism added and you have all the fuel needed to start a war.
That's a very different story to a few black/white Americans facing some other black/white Americans.
There are some really nasty, selfish and angry people on the planet that don't care about oither human beings the same way we do.
:sad:

[THE eXchanger]

9/14/2008


i predict, they will all, turn against themselves

dirty work, gets done best, by dirty people

that is a fact !!!

for "us", it will be "all hands off"

remember, this operates in circles,
within circles, within circles

eventually; when the outside edges
realise, what is blowing in "the winds"
they will very likely take two actions

1) turn inward, and, in doing so, will see this is wrong

(doing a job, and, getting paid for it, when you know it is wrong-is karmic)
and, you will go straight to hell, for doing it

it's time that many will start to sing / & blow their whistles

2) their aim, will be, to terminate the inner circle

they are like a bunch of ants,
climbing up a pin,
they have NO TRUST,
because they are NOT trustable,
nor, worthy of trusting,
and, they know that

WOW--that is 3 serious strikes, if this was a baseball game--they would be out !!!

and, there is NO ROOM,
at the top for any of them !!!

and, they are all climbing up different sides
of the same pin, at the same time

my prediction, under the light of this full moon
and, you can MARK my words on this:

i predict, they will all, turn against themselves

dirty work, gets done best, by dirty people

and, the shift, has happened -- the s*** has already hit many fans

what is blowing in the wind -- is going to topple them

i am susan
white lotus star
the eXchanger

The eXchanger, was right !!!

The outer circles, will rebel:

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Madagascar: Troops defy orders to put down opposition protests
By Fred Weston
Thursday, 12 March 2009

Anti-government protestors in the capital of Madagascar, Antananarivo. Photo by IRIN. On Sunday the depth of the crisis and the level of social discontent in Madagascar directly affected a group of soldiers of the Army Corps of Personnel and Administrative and Technical Services who had been ordered to move against protestors on the streets. The soldiers refused to obey orders to fire on the people and repress anti-government demonstrators. Following this, they then declared they would not obey government orders either.

As one rebel soldier stated, "We no longer take orders from our hierarchy, we are following our hearts. We were trained to protect property and citizens, not to fire at people. We are with the people."

The soldiers at the Camp Capsat military camp on the outskirts of the capital of Madagascar, Antananarivo, prepared their lines of defence as they were expecting an attack on the part of the presidential guard. The 600-strong troops apparently control large stocks of arms and ammunition.

These dramatic events remind us of Bertolt Brecht's poem, "General, Your Tank Is a Powerful Vehicle", which goes like this:

It smashes down forests and crushes a hundred men.
But it has one defect:
It needs a driver.

General, your bomber is powerful
It flies faster than a storm and carries more than an elephant.
But it has one defect:
It needs a mechanic.

General, man is very useful.
He can fly and he can kill.
But he has one defect:
He can think.

These soldiers in Madagascar are being forced to think by events. As they say, they were trained to defend the people, not to shoot on them. And now they face the wrath of the ruling class and its officer caste.

Talbot Antonin Alexis, Director General of Madagascan National police, has called for unity between the police, the armed forces and the gendarmerie in a desperate attempt to re-establish some order. The Minister of Defence, Mamy Ranaivoniarivo, made it clear on Monday that it would be taking "military measures within the army." However, the Minister did not specify what measures. That explains why the soldiers prepared their lines of defence.

The government has accused the rebel soldiers of organising a mutiny, something the soldiers deny. They stated that they were simply refusing to be used against protesting civilians. Colonel Noel Rakotonandrasana, a spokesperson of the rebel soldiers, reiterating this point, explained that, "We cannot accept the repression of the civilian population."


The Director General of Madagascan National police, has called for unity between the police, the armed forces and the gendarmerie in a desperate attempt to re-establish some order. Photo: Christina Corbett/IRIN. All this comes at a critical moment for Madagascar. These events have taken place in the context of a bitter power struggle between the oppositionist Rajoelina and the President Marc Ravalomanana. At the beginning of this year Andry Rajoelina, the opposition leader, started calling protests against the President, Marc Ravalomanana. The President has not taken too kindly to the protests of the opposition and ordered the security forces to find Rajoelina, who in the meantime has taken the precautionary measure of going into hiding.

What has provoked the recent soldier rebellion has been the increasing use of the army to clamp down on the rising tide of protest sweeping across the country. Since the beginning of this year about 100 people have been killed on the streets by the army. In February a protest rally was marching on the presidential palace but it was met with brutal repression and 28 people were killed.

Madagascar has a population of 20 million people, most of whom live in abysmal poverty. More than half the population survives on less than $1 a day. Like most African countries, Madagascar has been forced by the World Bank and the IMF to apply so-called structural adjustment programmes, involving opening up its markets to the more powerful industrialised countries and privatisation. In the last recession in 2001-02 at the same time as a serious political crisis affected the country, GDP fell by 12%. Last year inflation stood at over 9%, seriously affecting the already impoverished masses.

The 2001 presidential elections were heavily disputed but in April 2002, the High Constitutional Court declared Ravalomanana the winner, who then went on to win a second presidential election in 2006. Since then, however, the world economic crisis has added to the already difficult living conditions of the masses. Ravalomanana's so-called "free market reforms" are now being exposed for what they really are, an attack on ordinary working people on the island.


Opposition leader, Andre Rajoelina, during an anti-government protest in Antananarivo. Photo by IRIN. Rajoelina, "a charismatic young businessman", as he is described in the media, and quite a wealthy man, also owns his own television and radio stations. He was the mayor of the capital until recently, and used this position to attack the government. In doing this he has tapped into a mood of anger brewing among the poor masses. In this context the army ranks have also been affected. Apart from refusing to fire on the people, the soldiers have been complaining about pay and the fact that their superiors have been embezzling funds.

The unfortunate thing about all this is the lack of a genuine mass socialist alternative that could unite the workers, the poor and the rank and file soldiers against the ruling elite. In 1972 the Party for Proletarian Power (MFM) was set up as a left-wing opposition. Unfortunately, as has happened to many former "left" forces in the past, the party abandoned its left-wing credentials to espouse liberalism and changed its name to the Movement for the Progress of Madagascar, in the meantime losing all its parliamentary representatives.

In the political vacuum that exists in the country we have unfortunately a struggle between two businessmen. But the movement of the masses and the revolt within the ranks of the army shows quite clearly that the potential is there for something much bigger.

After the mutiny of the Border Guards in Bangladesh, this revolt of soldiers in Madagascar highlights the point that Marxists have always made: in acute social, economic and political crises, when the masses start to move, the soldiers, the "workers in uniform", sons of workers and peasants, can turn against their officers, refuse to be used against the masses, and can therefore be won over to revolution. The famous "armed bodies of men" cannot always be relied on by the ruling classes. What we have seen in Bangladesh and Madagascar are indications of how deep the crisis is becoming. It bodes well for the workers of the world, but it requires a conscious, revolutionary leadership for it to be transformed into a force for revolutionary change.

Postscript: Since this article was written a section of the army has taken over army Headquarters and forced the defence minister, Mamy Ranaivoniarivo to resign!




WAR IS A RACKET, Gen. Smedley Butler, USMC

Excerpt from a speech delivered in 1933 by General Smedley Butler, USMC
War is just a racket. There are only two things we should fight for. One is the defense of our homes and the other is the Bill of Rights. War for any other reason is simply a racket.

It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to. I spent thirty-three years and four months in active military service as a member of this country's most agile military force, the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major-General. And during that period, I spent most of my time being a high class muscle-man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the Bankers.

I suspected I was just part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all the members of the military profession, I never had a thought of my own until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.

I helped make Mexico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested.

During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.