Billy Meier is a con artist.

[TruthWalker]

I know Billy Meier is a con artist. I just want to see if everyone around here realizes that. If you do, and agree: "Yeah, he's a con artist", well I guess that's the end of this thread. I say to you: Great! You know a con artist when you see one!

However, if anyone actually believes the Billy Meier story, I believe that I can dispel that myth, if anyone cares to listen. I know it's not very exciting to find out that he was lying, but those who are sincerely after truth will appreciate it, I'm sure.

[100thmonkey]

I know Billy Meier is a con artist. I just want to see if everyone around here realizes that. If you do, and agree: "Yeah, he's a con artist", well I guess that's the end of this thread. I say to you: Great! You know a con artist when you see one!

However, if anyone actually believes the Billy Meier story, I believe that I can dispel that myth, if anyone cares to listen. I know it's not very exciting to find out that he was lying, but those who are sincerely after truth will appreciate it, I'm sure.Hello WS. Yes, I agree that Billy Meier is a con artist. You only have to take a look at the pics of the goofy homemade laser gun he holds to see that.
He may have had some genuine experience originally, but has since lost his way I think.

I'm still interested in his story though.

[waitinginthewings]

Yep....I totally agree with you truthwalker.

[waitinginthewings]

Hello WS. Yes, I agree that Billy Meier is a con artist. You only have to take a look at the pics of the goofy homemade laser gun he holds to see that.
He may have had some genuine experience originally, but has since lost his way I think.

I'm still interested in his story though.

:lmao:

[TruthWalker]

Hello WS. Yes, I agree that Billy Meier is a con artist. You only have to take a look at the pics of the goofy homemade laser gun he holds to see that.
He may have had some genuine experience originally, but has since lost his way I think.

I'm still interested in his story though.


Good eye!

I also believe the same about Jim Sparks. I believe that he had some real experiences to begin with (because I can tell by the way he says what he says, as I have also experienced those things). However, I believe that he has started to exaggerate his claims.

I think this is the case with a LOT of people. A lot of people do genuinely experiences phenomenal things, but when people stop listening to the original story (because it got old and tired and no one is interested anymore), I think people feel the need to "one-up" their original story to gain the interest back.

[kriya]

There is some truth in the Billy Meier story :tongue2:


Love,

Kriya

PS No I can't prove it!!

[TruthWalker]

There is some truth in the Billy Meier story :tongue2:

Love,

Kriya

Like what?

[kriya]

Like what?

His early UFO photos and his early contacts. There are many eyewitness testimonies about it from those living near by. Also similar photos taken by other people around that time.

[orthodoxymoron]

The following is from the Project Camelot interview with John Lear. UFO disease seems to have afflicted even some of the best people in the field. Perhaps Billy Meier contracted UFO disease. I'm frantically searching for a truth serum based cure! An ex-KGB interrogator should conduct UFO interviews! :sweatdrop::lightsabre:

Kerry: So you know Bill Cooper. You seem to have known just about everybody who was anybody at the time.

John: Yeah. I was working Paranet at the time. Jim Spicer ran Paranet. I put my hypothesis on Paranet. Then Bill Cooper called and said, “I can vouch for – I forget what he said, 50 per cent, or 100 per cent of what John Lear says” and so I invited Bill Cooper up. He came up, we talked and he told me... At those times Bill was totally sane and rational. He told me that he was the guy at Pearl Harbor who set up the camera and got the documents out of the safe for the briefings of the high level Navy guys who’d go through. Five years later he’s an intelligence officer giving the briefing himself! He wasn’t! He was just the guy in the office that set up the projector, and he did have the key to the safe. He did read all that stuff. But later he got what we call “UFO disease.” And UFO disease is something that we get... we are just so in demand as speakers and we’ve already told whatever we know, so now we got to make up a little more to keep the interest. Being in demand like that is, it’s addictive, so you make up a little more and that’s called UFO disease and that’s what happened to Bill. He started making stuff up.

[TruthWalker]

His early UFO photos and his early contacts. There are many eyewitness testimonies about it from those living near by. Also similar photos taken by other people around that time.

The guy has been caught taking photos of the same mini tree in many pictures on different settings. He's a proven liar. Have you seen the photo of the alien with the plastic K-Mart gun? I have, and I laughed my guts out for 20 minutes. That's all I need to see before NOTHING else he tries to present gets shrugged off completely. Even his ex wife is going around calling him a liar and a scam artist. There's nothing truthful about Billy Meier. He's a scam artist and all his stories are just that: stories.

[BROOK]

The guy has been caught taking photos of the same mini tree in many pictures on different settings. He's a proven liar. Have you seen the photo of the alien with the plastic K-Mart gun? I have, and I laughed my guts out for 20 minutes. That's all I need to see before NOTHING else he tries to present gets shrugged off completely. Even his ex wife is going around calling him a liar and a scam artist. There's nothing truthful about Billy Meier. He's a scam artist and all his stories are just that: stories.

I understand how you feel, I felt the same way about him at first. However when I found that his connection with the aliens was a direct connection to the scripture..I started to believe :thumb_yello:

[waitinginthewings]

I understand how you feel, I felt the same way about him at first. However when I found that his connection with the aliens was a direct connection to the scripture..I started to believe :thumb_yello:

Brook: no I have to disagree with you here on the scripture connection. I agree with truthwalker, about Meir.

[TruthWalker]

I understand how you feel, I felt the same way about him at first. However when I found that his connection with the aliens was a direct connection to the scripture..I started to believe :thumb_yello:

Irrelevant post - intended to get a rise.

Ignored.

[TruthWalker]

Brook: no I have to disagree with you here on the scripture connection. I agree with truthwalker, about Meir.

Brook was just having an inside joke with herself.

[Christo888]

wtf truthwalker are you a moderator or something policing everything someone says?

[BROOK]

Brook: no I have to disagree with you here on the scripture connection. I agree with truthwalker, about Meir.

Now come on..you got the joke right?

[BROOK]

Brook was just having an inside joke with herself.

I do crack myself up :lmao:

[TruthWalker]

Now come on..you got the joke right?

I am not here to joke. There's too many urgent problems in the world.

[BROOK]

I am not here to joke. There's too many urgent problems in the world.

Such as? Billy Meier?

[TruthWalker]

I do crack myself up :lmao:

That's nice, but you're disrupting posts all over the forum in an effort to crack yourself up.

[TruthWalker]

wtf truthwalker are you a moderator or something policing everything someone says?

Well, if I was a moderator this forum would be running more efficiently - I can assure you of that.

[Christo888]

Well, if I was a moderator this forum would be running more efficiently - I can assure you of that.

OK you got the job go ahead and moderate us and let us know what you would like us to do. I'm listening.

[TruthWalker]

Such as? Billy Meier?

Yes. Once people stop watching him with his flying garbage tin lids on a string with mini trees in the background, we can finally start concentrating on truth.

[BROOK]

Yes. Once people stop watching him with his flying garbage tin lids on a string with mini trees in the background, we can finally start concentrating on truth.

Which truth might that be?

[TruthWalker]

OK you got the job go ahead and moderate us and let us know what you would like us to do. I'm listening.

Just two rules:

1). Be sincere. Treat others with due respect. Give them a chance.
2). Stay on topic.

Those two rules will save hundreds of pages of distracting verbal diarrhea.

Joking is all well and good, but there's a big difference between a friendly joke and blatant disruption. The remedy for that falls under rule 1.

[waitinginthewings]

Now come on..you got the joke right?

what joke?.....huh.....I think truthwalker makes complete sense about Meir.

[TruthWalker]

Which truth might that be?

Well, we'll all see when the forum has some sort of semblance or order -- wont we?

[Debby]

Hi,
What is your view about the discovery of the Immanueel talmud?

[BROOK]

Just two rules:

1). Be sincere. Treat others with due respect. Give them a chance.
2). Stay on topic.

Those two rules will save hundreds of pages of distracting verbal diarrhea.

Joking is all well and good, but there's a big difference between a friendly joke and blatant disruption. The remedy for that falls under rule 1.

Sincerely....what is the truth you wish to tell us, now that you have the floor?

[waitinginthewings]

Which truth might that be?

you know....the real truth:nono:

[Boober]

Is Billly Meier stilll that popular? I havent heard or seen anything new from him in a while. I guess I should check him out and see what he is up to these days. Is he a con? I kind of agree with the theory that at first he had a real life experience then he started lying to stay in the fame game. Anyone got a link to his website?

[TruthWalker]

Sincerely....what is the truth you wish to tell us, now that you have the floor?

That's the second time you've asked the same question.

It's irrelevant to the topic.

[waitinginthewings]

Is Billly Meier stilll that popular? I havent heard or seen anything new from him in a while. I guess I should check him out and see what he is up to these days. Is he a con? I kind of agree with the theory that at first he had a real life experience then he started lying to stay in the fame game. Anyone got a link to his website?

Sorry I don't have a link....maybe truthwalker does, since its his topic:nono:

[BROOK]

That's the second time you've asked the same question.

It's irrelevant to the topic.

You brought it up in this thread...I was only asking of that which you speak

[TruthWalker]

Sorry I don't have a link....maybe truthwalker does, since its his topic:nono:

Type this in Google:

"billy meier scam artist"..

That's all you need to know.

But I wouldn't waste your time for too long.

There's more pressing concerns in the world.

[TruthWalker]

You brought it up in this thread...I was only asking of that which you speak

And I answered you twice.

This is the third time.

This thread isn't about what I believe to be the truth.

What I believe to be the truth needs 400 x 50 page threads.

Please don't ask again.

You're being distracting (purposefully).

[BROOK]

Yes. Once people stop watching him with his flying garbage tin lids on a string with mini trees in the background, we can finally start concentrating on truth.

This is the post...

[Christo888]

Just two rules:

1). Be sincere. Treat others with due respect. Give them a chance.
2). Stay on topic.

Those two rules will save hundreds of pages of distracting verbal diarrhea.

Joking is all well and good, but there's a big difference between a friendly joke and blatant disruption. The remedy for that falls under rule 1.

OK got it...

Now about Billy how did he make those pictures of the Mir station docking with Apollo and the Earth is in the background?

[waitinginthewings]

OK got it...

Now about Billy how did he make those pictures of the Mir station docking with Apollo and the Earth is in the background?

Christo888....sorry but since truthwalker wasn't there, he will be unable to answer your question.....oops sorry I mean Warriorservant.....ooops sorry I mean truthwalker....I'm getting all confused....so many things to keep trace of:lol3:

[TruthWalker]

OK got it...

Now about Billy how did he make those pictures of the Mir station docking with Apollo and the Earth is in the background?

I know that he got his pictures of Samjase from a TV show. I know that he got his pictures of dinosaurs from a "picture book". There's no reason why any other photo he has would be any less fake.

If he gave me a box of photos, I'd drop kick it straight into a wall and tell him to get a life, because I have more serious things to do with my time.

[TruthWalker]

Christo888....sorry but since truthwalker wasn't there, he will be unable to answer your question.....oops sorry I mean Warriorservant.....ooops sorry I mean truthwalker....I'm getting all confused....so many things to keep trace of:lol3:


This thread isn't a big running joke.

Get with the program or go buy yourself a comedy to watch.

[Christo888]

I know that he got his pictures of Samjase from a TV show. I know that he got his pictures of dinosaurs from a "picture book". There's no reason why any other photo he has would be any less fake.

If he gave me a box of photos, I'd drop kick it straight into a wall and tell him to get a life, because I have more serious things to do with my time.

OK how was this particular one, Mir and Apollo, faked?

[waitinginthewings]

This thread isn't a big running joke.

Get with the program or go buy yourself a comedy to watch.

I am watching a comedy in action....its very entertaining & funny. Great suggestion though.

[Boober]

Billly Meier, what are his beliefs anyway? He hangs ot with the Pleidians, but he is the only one who can really channel them, lol, ok. His pictures were very convincing though, especially since they are old school photos, before the age of computers. When were they developed, what decade?

[TruthWalker]

Billly Meier, what are his beliefs anyway? He hangs ot with the Pleidians, but he is the only one who can really channel them, lol, ok. His pictures were very convincing though, especially since they are old school photos, before the age of computers. When were they developed, what decade?

They are not convincing to me. They're hilarious.

[Gackt]

If all the "evidence" wasn't even to substantiate his claims as a hoaxer, Micheal Horns salesman strategies put the icing on the cake, so to speak. I really am not sure if Meier did have an experience, and is now overexerting his claims, or it was a big ******** story to begin with. The more I see and hear, I pick the latter..


Pleiarens took him to the past to snap a picture of a dinosaur thats actually superimposed from a childrens book. Right.

[TruthWalker]

If all the "evidence" wasn't even to substantiate his claims as a hoaxer, Micheal Horns salesman strategies put the icing on the cake, so to speak. I really am not sure if Meier did have an experience, and is now overexerting his claims, or it was a big ******** story to begin with. The more I see and hear, I pick the latter..


Pleiarens took him to the past to snap a picture of a dinosaur thats actually superimposed from a childrens book. Right.

It wouldn't matter to me if there was only "ONE" dodgy photo. That would be enough for me to write him off. I am not after fantastic stories. I am after truth. Once a liar, always a liar. You can't trust liars. Look away from them and search somewhere else for some truth.

[Steve_A]

Hi Christo888,

truthwalker is not a moderator, however he does, as we all do, have the right to monitor everything that someone says.

I can't say that I agree with him about everybody needing to keep on the subject and always be relevant. Whereas it is desireable, if no forum guidelines are broken there is nothing to stop someone cracking a joke every now and then. We are all human and have our different views and also thoughts. Normally one piece of information will trigger a thought particular to each individual and this can be shared if the individual thinks fit.

This also gives us an insight to each of our personality which over the internet is normally difficult to gauge.

For example, we can plainly see that truthwalker is extremely methodical and pays attention to detail, perhaps more than the average person. On the other hand, Brook seems to like to smile more and takes life on a more lighter note. Is there anything wrong with this? Of course not. Would these differences lead to conflict? Sometimes. One thing we must all learn to have is 'tolerance and understanding'. The cost for this? It's free.

Best regards,

Steve




wtf truthwalker are you a moderator or something policing everything someone says?

[TruthWalker]

Hi Christo888,

truthwalker is not a moderator, however he does, as we all do, have the right to monitor everything that someone says.

I can't say that I agree with him about everybody needing to keep on the subject and always be relevant. Whereas it is desireable, if no forum guidelines are broken there is nothing to stop someone cracking a joke every now and then. We are all human and have our different views and also thoughts. Normally one piece of information will trigger a thought particular to each individual and this can be shared if the individual thinks fit.

This also gives us an insight to each of our personality which over the internet is normally difficult to gauge.

For example, we can plainly see that truthwalker is extremely methodical and pays attention to detail, perhaps more than the average person. On the other hand, Brook seems to like to smile more and takes life on a more lighter note. Is there anything wrong with this? Of course not. Would these differences lead to conflict? Sometimes. One thing we must all learn to have is 'tolerance and understanding'. The cost for this? It's free.

Best regards,

Steve

I also don't mind the odd joke. Sometimes things are said in threads (even serious threads) that beg to have a joke made about them. But there's a difference between having a friendly joke and singling out a particular poster to make fun of -- just because that's the in thing (by a group) that day. There's a difference. Many times a joke isn't a joke. It's plain out jest, intended to cause problems.

[viking]

Hi,
What is your view about the discovery of the Immanueel talmud?

.

[TruthWalker]

Hi,
What is your view about the discovery of the Immanueel talmud?

Because Billy Meier is such a joke, and practically everything he's ever said or taken pictures of has proven to be a fraud -- I do not regard anything that Billy Meier is associated with as truthful.

I'd have trouble believing Billy if he told me the sun was coming up tomorrow.

[waitinginthewings]

Because Billy Meier is such a joke, and practically everything he's ever said or taken pictures of has proven to be a fraud -- I do not regard anything that Billy Meier is associated with as truthful.

I'd have trouble believing Billy if he told me the sun was coming up tomorrow.

Debby: this is about as good as it gets.....don't have high expectations for a well thought out answer:nono:

[TruthWalker]

Debby: this is about as good as it gets.....don't have high expectations for a well thought out answer:nono:

My answer was as thought out as it needed to be.

[viking]

Because Billy Meier is such a joke, and practically everything he's ever said or taken pictures of has proven to be a fraud -- I do not regard anything that Billy Meier is associated with as truthful.

I'd have trouble believing Billy if he told me the sun was coming up tomorrow.

One thing thats always puzzled me is that the 'Talmud of Jmmanuel' is almost word for word identical to the Scripts found within the 'IMMANUEL --- I AM SANANDA’- PHOENIX JOURNAL 2'

And yet neither parties had nothing to do which each other...

Both books suggest the messages are from above!!!

viking

[BROOK]

It wouldn't matter to me if there was only "ONE" dodgy photo. That would be enough for me to write him off. I am not after fantastic stories. I am after truth. Once a liar, always a liar. You can't trust liars. Look away from them and search somewhere else for some truth.

Where?

[TruthWalker]

Where?

That's up to you, your own discernment, your level of seriousness, your sincerity, your thirst for truth and your own discretion.

[waitinginthewings]

Brook...you should listen to truthwalker....he has the truth, the only truth & northing but the truth. Now listen up:wall:

[BROOK]

That's up to you, your own discernment, your level of seriousness, your sincerity, your thirst for truth and your own discretion.

And for that you must go inside....and get truth FIRSTHAND..not secondhand

[TruthWalker]

Brook...you should listen to truthwalker....he has the truth, the only truth & northing but the truth. Now listen up:wall:

It is unconstructive to mock people.

It doesn't help anything.

[TruthWalker]

And for that you must go inside....and get truth FIRSTHAND..not secondhand

I do not disagree with that.

[BROOK]

I do not disagree with that.

So if I tell you I've met a reptilian in person....just because you have not, are you going to tell me I'm delusional?

[TruthWalker]

So if I tell you I've met a reptilian in person....just because you have not, are you going to tell me I'm delusional?

No, I do not go around telling people they are delusional.

That is not to be mixed up with the sentiment that I believe certain movements "cause" delusion.

I have many things that have happened in my life which I cannot hardly say ANYWHERE online or in life before I have become a complete laughing stock. So I know how it feels to not be taken seriously. One would think that a forum such as this would allow me to have my say, but it's not the case (due to a small number of people -- yourself included, that likes to make a mockery of everything).

[BROOK]

That is not to be mixed up with the sentiment that I believe certain movements "cause" delusion.

What would " cause" such a delusion?

[kriya]

The guy has been caught taking photos of the same mini tree in many pictures on different settings. He's a proven liar. Have you seen the photo of the alien with the plastic K-Mart gun? I have, and I laughed my guts out for 20 minutes. That's all I need to see before NOTHING else he tries to present gets shrugged off completely. Even his ex wife is going around calling him a liar and a scam artist. There's nothing truthful about Billy Meier. He's a scam artist and all his stories are just that: stories.

None of what you say refutes my point that other witnesses came forward to corroborate his photographs, having witnessed the UFOs themselves.

I take it your info comes from Karl Korff's book which to my mind is a complete hatchet job written for money. His ex-wife did call him a liar and that is because they had a very acrimonious seperation. His son in fact came forward and said that his mother was bitter and that she was the liar.

None of the mini tree stuff proves he hoaxed his photos. The reason why people believed it was a hoax is because he made models to test how real his pictures looked against the models.

[waitinginthewings]

What would " cause" such a delusion?

Tai Chi maybe:lmfao:

[BROOK]

Tai Chi maybe:lmfao:
Bwhahaha :lmao:

[TruthWalker]

None of what you say refutes my point that other witnesses came forward to corroborate his photographs, having witnessed the UFOs themselves.

I take it your info comes from Karl Korff's book which to my mind is a complete hatchet job written for money. His ex-wife did call him a liar and that is because they had a very acrimonious seperation. His son in fact came forward and said that his mother was bitter and that she was the liar.

None of the mini tree stuff proves he hoaxed his photos. The reason why people believed it was a hoax is because he made models to test how real his pictures looked against the models.

I am sorry that you have been mislead.

Billy Meier is a con artist.

I can't change that.

[Lionhawk]

May I please ask you a couple of serious questions?

To stay on topic, if I understand this correctly, I shouldn't ask about Jim Sparks, right?

Is your truth based on second hand information in regards to Billy Meier?

Have you ever met Billy Meier?

Sincerely,

Lionhawk

[TruthWalker]

May I please ask you a couple of serious questions?

To stay on topic, if I understand this correctly, I shouldn't ask about Jim Sparks, right?

Is your truth based on second hand information in regards to Billy Meier?

Have you ever met Billy Meier?

Sincerely,

Lionhawk

No I looked at Billy meiers photos, and they're a joke.

You can ask about Jim Sparks, because Jim Sparks has already been mentioned and it's on topic because he is also a person that has gone overboard with hos story such as Billy has. Although I don't think Jim is plain out lying. I think he's just exaggerating. Billy on the other hand is a flat out scam artist.

[Lionhawk]

No I looked at Billy meiers photos, and they're a joke.

You can ask about Jim Sparks, because Jim Sparks has already been mentioned and it's on topic because he is also a person that has gone overboard with hos story such as Billy has. Although I don't think Jim is plain out lying. I think he's just exaggerating. Billy on the other hand is a flat out scam artist.

I'm respecting what you have required but I really didn't get the serious answers I was looking for. The only clear answer I got was about Jim Sparks now being on topic as an amendment to the topic.

Could you clarify for me the questions I posed with Billy so that I am clear as to what you are saying "no" to? They were serious specific questions.

Thanks

[TruthWalker]

I'm respecting what you have required but I really didn't get the serious answers I was looking for. The only clear answer I got was about Jim Sparks now being on topic as an amendment to the topic.

Could you clarify for me the questions I posed with Billy so that I am clear as to what you are saying "no" to? They were serious specific questions.

Thanks

You're purposefully splitting hairs and I have no further wish to communicate with you about it. Read my response again. It makes sense.

[Harper]

Hello folks,

It is such a complicated story because of all that happened afterwards with the group of people who joined him and Horn (who I feel in my gut is lying through his teeth) but Billy seems like someone who had a truth and then was put upon by so many different scavengers that he is now sort of speechless -- that also makes me wonder about the extent to which the original story may have been real truth, so it had to be demonised, or ridiculed.

I think he had an experience but the desire of the outside world for concrete proof lead him down a darker path than he would ever have believed. Every little helps in the information gathering in this field because we never really know who is telling the truth, so we have gotten amazingly good at decernment. That in itself is an amazing gift. I will attempt to paraphrase Alan Watts (the theologian, not the british UFO man) - it is only because someone else has the decency to take an opposite view that allows us to know what we think ever. Or something like that :-)

I am glad to be back -- what an amazing lesson in self control it was though not to be able to post all these months...

I wish you all a great day whereever you are.

me

[Lionhawk]

You're accusing me of spiting hairs and yet you want a serious discussion and you can't even answer some really simplistic questions that I sincerely asked. You know you're absolutely right dude.

You want serious? I'll give you serious. If you are sharing your truth as to Billy and it is based on second hand information, then all you are doing is spreading gossip around. Based on your accusations and nothing more than that. You call that serious? You call that truth? It isn't serious enough as it lacks integrity because it is second hand. Maybe that is what everyone keeps barking about and I know I'm a little slow around here, but maybe they are absolutely correct here. Sorry folks but I asked some simple straight up questions to engage in a serious dialog and I can't get any real straight answers and then to be accused of splitting hairs is just a flat out LIE! You Mr. Truthwalker are just plain full of it if that is the serious game you are playing and I not only find you disrespectful but way the hell off base with my sincere attempts to have a conversation with you.

Talk about non productive, and how it is unconstructive to mock people and yet in the next breath you do just that.

I demand that a new rule be put in place that says that no threads will be posted with a hypocritical agenda behind them!

I am very dismayed Mr. Truthseeker and ashamed of your tactical, hypocritical mindset.

And on a further note, I have met Billy and you have no idea what the hell is going on with him. You are the real fraud here. My BS meter finally blew up in this thread with your responses. In your own thread at that.

The oldest card in the darkside's handbook is one of dis-credibility and you just played it once again. You want to learn how to seek truth, then maybe I ought to give you a few lessons. But I already know I will end up doing this :wall:

I gave it a real honest and sincere try but I can see you are dealing with to many control issues all at the same time. I apologize if my response was non productive in this thread but you Mr. Truthseeker are not a real truth seeker. A real truth seeker would follow a bear into the woods and find out what color rabbit the bear would use for toilet paper.

If you can't validate the truth you sought, it means nothing.

In this instance, this thread is totally irrelevant. If I may share some more advice is your credibility needs to be established first. At the method you are employing I wish I could say it would happen. But now I am being delusional.

Good luck Mr. Truthseeker. I really do wish you the best. And thanks for the lesson on integrity. I have no other choice now but to avoid your posts.

Your response will be considered irrelevant.

[TruthWalker]

You're accusing me of spiting hairs and yet you want a serious discussion and you can't even answer some really simplistic questions that I sincerely asked. You know you're absolutely right dude.

You want serious? I'll give you serious. If you are sharing your truth as to Billy and it is based on second hand information, then all you are doing is spreading gossip around. Based on your accusations and nothing more than that. You call that serious? You call that truth? It isn't serious enough as it lacks integrity because it is second hand. Maybe that is what everyone keeps barking about and I know I'm a little slow around here, but maybe they are absolutely correct here. Sorry folks but I asked some simple straight up questions to engage in a serious dialog and I can't get any real straight answers and then to be accused of splitting hairs is just a flat out LIE! You Mr. Truthwalker are just plain full of it if that is the serious game you are playing and I not only find you disrespectful but way the hell off base with my sincere attempts to have a conversation with you.

Talk about non productive, and how it is unconstructive to mock people and yet in the next breath you do just that.

I demand that a new rule be put in place that says that no threads will be posted with a hypocritical agenda behind them!

I am very dismayed Mr. Truthseeker and ashamed of your tactical, hypocritical mindset.

And on a further note, I have met Billy and you have no idea what the hell is going on with him. You are the real fraud here. My BS meter finally blew up in this thread with your responses. In your own thread at that.

The oldest card in the darkside's handbook is one of dis-credibility and you just played it once again. You want to learn how to seek truth, then maybe I ought to give you a few lessons. But I already know I will end up doing this :wall:

I gave it a real honest and sincere try but I can see you are dealing with to many control issues all at the same time. I apologize if my response was non productive in this thread but you Mr. Truthseeker are not a real truth seeker. A real truth seeker would follow a bear into the woods and find out what color rabbit the bear would use for toilet paper.

If you can't validate the truth you sought, it means nothing.

In this instance, this thread is totally irrelevant. If I may share some more advice is your credibility needs to be established first. At the method you are employing I wish I could say it would happen. But now I am being delusional.

Good luck Mr. Truthseeker. I really do wish you the best. And thanks for the lesson on integrity. I have no other choice now but to avoid your posts.

Your response will be considered irrelevant.

Pretending to be angry after asking a silly, baited, question (that was already answered) so that he can demonstrate how terrible I am, before all. Disingenuous. No reply necessary.

[Carol]

Billy Meier is on the level. I've been following him for the past 15 years and found him both sincere and credible. The problem as I see it are those who hope to promote themselves via Billy by riding on his coattails.

[TruthWalker]

Billy Meier is on the level. I've been following him for the past 15 years and found him both sincere and credible. The problem as I see it are those who hope to promote themselves via Billy by riding on his coattails.

No he isn't. He's a liar that takes pictures of flying trash cans and people dressed in silver foil with plastic guns. He takes pictures of TV screens and storybooks. Please, go and do dome research about him.

[hollylindin]

I personally think that one who goes outta their way to make others laugh or enjoy life by telling jokes or entertaining "gets" what this is all about. I don't think seriousness, especially about the subject over whether Billy Meier is a con artist or not (?), is what helps us on the path toward greater understanding (not MY path, anyway.), as I find seriousness to be a very closed-off, one-direction way of thinking. But jokes and laughter and openness - now THAT is the way forward! So thanks, Brook, for being such a pain. :P

Besides, any forum moderator who would chastise someone for joking around and making others laugh is a dictator in my book and is no "better" than the powers that were.

Okay, onto this Billy Meier subject. :) I also believe there was some initial contact and his story is true in the beginning, but I think he got a little fame-hungry and started making up more and more ridiculous claims to keep people interested.

Not to get started on everyone bashing Miriam Delicado for this or that, but this is the EXACT reason I love her: Because her story doesn't change! People may complain that nothing has happened to her lately and about how she shouldn't be interviewed because this event took place over twenty years ago, but her story DOESN'T CHANGE. It is always about the "tall blondes" and is always about finding the love, peace, and light in all things. Since having her first interview with Project Camelot, she hasn't suddenly had more contact or anything! (Alex Collier would be another one I would trust as well, considering he hasn't really had much contact over the last while.)

But, anyway, Billy Meier sucks, Brook rocks. :P

<3

[eleni]

I can only say this- my ex husband is a skeptic- although he is into all of these subjects and has been for many years.......

Years ago he went to visit Billy in Switzerland (20 years ago) and also met with members of the inner circle (Guido being one) and said he believed him.

I do think the story got out of hand though.

I only wish people would tell the truth as they experienced it and not ELABORATE!!!!

[hollylindin]

I only wish people would tell the truth as they experienced it and not ELABORATE!!!!

I'm with you there, Eleni. Billy's initial story was phenomenal - why the need to embellish and lie (if that is what he's been doing.)?

Concerning TruthWalker, I've read the rest of the posts by him in this thread, and I think his statement name for said thread ("Billy Meier is a con artist".) describes his openness and willingness (or non, as the case may be.) for conversation on the subject. Now if he'd written, "Is Billy Meier a con artist?" . . . ;)

[metaw3]

A 4 pages thread about Billy Meier being a con artist and not even one post contains a link to a photo, video or article about Billy Meier.

[waitinginthewings]

Actually the title of this thread is rather blatant & rings of character assasination, without a single shred of evidence to back up such a statement. Only personal opinions about "fake" photos, which imho does not constitute evidence. One should be careful about making such alegations.

[HaveBlue]

Easy to start a thread claiming others are scam artists and then refusing to state your case! Even got the audacity to claim 'why' is irrelevent!
Are personal attacks permitted if the person is not here to defend themselves?
I've learned nothing in this thread about My Meir however the author of this thread sure has let us all know what they are about.

[TRANCOSO]

Great response LionHawk!

TruthWalker, there's only one 'joker' & 'con artist' in this thread. I guess you know who I'm refering to. And no, it's not Waitinginthewings! That's just a jokemaker, and a rather good one, if I may say so.

Truth Is a Hard Medicine To Swallow!

Now, if that ain't true, I'll buy a hat and eat it!

[Gnosis5]

I know Billy Meier is a con artist. I just want to see if everyone around here realizes that. If you do, and agree: "Yeah, he's a con artist", well I guess that's the end of this thread. I say to you: Great! You know a con artist when you see one!

However, if anyone actually believes the Billy Meier story, I believe that I can dispel that myth, if anyone cares to listen. I know it's not very exciting to find out that he was lying, but those who are sincerely after truth will appreciate it, I'm sure.

I just read his Wiki site and I read the predictions and prior knowledge that scientists found out about later. What say you?

Gnosis

[Gnosis5]

None of what you say refutes my point that other witnesses came forward to corroborate his photographs, having witnessed the UFOs themselves.

I take it your info comes from Karl Korff's book which to my mind is a complete hatchet job written for money. His ex-wife did call him a liar and that is because they had a very acrimonious seperation. His son in fact came forward and said that his mother was bitter and that she was the liar.

None of the mini tree stuff proves he hoaxed his photos. The reason why people believed it was a hoax is because he made models to test how real his pictures looked against the models.

A rational voice in a mis-emotional forest, thank you.

[HeatherJJAnderson]

It matters not, if only one small portion of the Meier story is real, then what difference does it really make? Also my experience of an event, due to my mental condition and how I deal with such an event might greatly differ and be perceived differently than somebody elses.

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

ive not looked at too much mier stuff, didnt resonate too much with me.. i read a bit about where he said "they " told him the planet is overpopulated and kinda lost interest.. :sleep_1:

[G9211]

First off, I didn't read every post.
I did want to comment on one of Billy's alleged videos.
There was a disc hovering over a field which disappears out of thin air. It's been a while since I saw it and couldn't even begin to tell you how to find it, so take this with a grain of salt....
If you watch the tall grasses and weeds in the video blowing in the wind at the moment the disc disappears, you will see it was edited as the blowing weeds abrubtely are in different places. Easy to spot. Although, I can't be sure the video is even his. There so much bullcr*p online it's hard to know anything for sure.

Like many of these sites tell us, "Question Everything"
So I DO, even the stuff on these sites.
You HAVE to.

[Luminari]

This thread reeks of ignorance and bias (referring to the original poster not any of you).

Perhaps we could rename it; Truthwalker Is A Con Artist. Or better still delete it.

There is no contactee case in the history of the world that has provided so much 'hard evidence' in a myriad of forms... If you are still trying to say it was a trash can lid, you are banging your head against a monolith.

There are many other threads on Avalon dealing with this topic, sceptics are welcome to post your views there.

This thread will self destruct in 5, 4, 3....

*thread closed*