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371

12-16-2009, 09:02 PM

It's just the way it is. The outpouring cannot be refracted back to the source.

It's a one way street. You can't give anything to the real God, who is a Goddess.

Ok, so you say God can't feel our love? Fine. But what do parent want to do to bratty, ungrateful kids? Give them a little smack with the RIGHT HAND. Maybe they don't or won't ever do it, but if they get really out of line it might come to it as last resort.

It appears, that we have been spared Fathers wrath (for now) because Mother has cut off our connection with HER- thus cutting our connection to God (HIM).

Look at the world today, the crazy weather patterns and natural disasters... do you really think that is Mother (NATURE) showing her LOVE for us her children???

I think it's like hearing mom in the other room, can't see her but you can tell she's ****** as hell...

RedeZra

12-16-2009, 09:06 PM

Whatever you want it to be, don't confuse it with what it is, SHE. :tongue2:

lol I know my mother's Mother

and I know She has a Husband

and many Children

the Light is above every Universal Laws

also the Law of Gender

371

12-16-2009, 09:06 PM

But if you really want to get to the root of all this male/female stuff...

GOD is BOTH. Creation/Destruction

Depends on what he's doing. What mode He/She/IT is in. Existence is balance to a degree.

WE are out of balance, and I suspect something's coming to make it right.

New Age Messiah

12-16-2009, 09:14 PM

But if you really want to get to the root of all this male/female stuff...

Love is feminine.

It pretty much makes me sick when guys say they love me.

No thanks. :original:

371

12-16-2009, 09:21 PM

Love is feminine.

It pretty much makes me sick when guys say they love me.

No thanks. :original:

:lol3:

Look at it this way, that aspect is feminine. Just ONE aspect of the whole that is everything, that is GOD.

Gotta see the forest for the trees... and not just the pretty ones.

New Age Messiah

12-16-2009, 09:26 PM

Haha.

Look at it this way, that aspect is feminine. Just ONE aspect of the whole that is everything, that is GOD.

Gotta see the forest for the trees... and not just the pretty ones.

I wouldn't ever in a BILLION years just SAY that God is a Goddess, based on information or THINKING.

SHE spoke to me. So it's over.

Why would God speak to a person in a woman''s voice???? If God is neither male nor female???

Especially since I had JUST had a DEEP conversation about Ma'at of Egypt, with a SCHOLAR, pertaining to the television show Lost, in which I was prophetic in predetermining the plot, etc.

And this was amidst an epic millennial saga in which I was a messianic spiritual action hero surrounded by MIRACLES...

So, at least to me, until a male God SPEAKS to me or shows his face, God is a SHE and Egypt was basically correct in believing or KNOWING that Ma'at rules everything. :trumpet:

371

12-16-2009, 09:34 PM

Why would God speak to a person in a woman''s voice???? If God is neither male nor female???

Maybe because if it was a dudes voice, and he said he loved you... you might freak out :naughty:

Especially since I had JUST had a DEEP conversation about Ma'at of Egypt, with a SCHOLAR, pertaining to the television show Lost, in which I was prophetic in predetermining the plot, etc.

And this was amidst an epic millennial saga in which I was a messianic spiritual action hero surrounded by MIRACLES...

wtf??!?

That's interesting. Sounds wild, but I haven't lived your life so I cant comment beyond that (nor were you asking me to, I know).

So, at least to me, until a male God SPEAKS to me or shows his face, God is a SHE and Egypt was basically correct in believing or KNOWING that Ma'at rules everything. :trumpet:

So you'll believe it when you see/hear it. And if that is the case, God will reveal himself to YOU- because you are special?

orthodoxymoron

12-16-2009, 09:35 PM

The first and last commandment should be 'Thou Shalt Have No Gods'. No one should worship anyone or anything.

:original:Namaste:original:

serenade

12-16-2009, 09:37 PM

I wouldn't ever in a BILLION years just SAY that God is a Goddess, based on information or THINKING.

SHE spoke to me. So it's over.

Why would God speak to a person in a woman''s voice???? If God is neither male nor female???

Especially since I had JUST had a DEEP conversation about Ma'at of Egypt, with a SCHOLAR, pertaining to the television show Lost, in which I was prophetic in predetermining the plot, etc.

And this was amidst an epic millennial saga in which I was a messianic spiritual action hero surrounded by MIRACLES...

So, at least to me, until a male God SPEAKS to me or shows his face, God is a SHE and Egypt was basically correct in believing or KNOWING that Ma'at rules everything. :trumpet:

Maybe you heard a female voice because you wanted it to be a female voice at some level?

The soul goes beyond gender, energy isn't masculine or feminine.
Well, that's my idea at least.

New Age Messiah

12-16-2009, 09:40 PM

wtf??!?

That's interesting. Sounds wild, but I haven't lived your life so I cant comment beyond that (nor were you asking me to, I know).

It's weird, like major impossible, Celestine Prophecy type stuff, but all the coincidences are mega millennial explosions and WAY too impossible to be anything other than divine.

She spoke to me five years into me being a literal black hole. I declared a mission, blah blah, but anyway, the story proves all religions false. :original:

So you'll believe it when you see/hear it. And if that is the case, God will reveal himself to YOU- because you are special?

She already did. Because, yeah, I am special. :naughty:

RedeZra

12-16-2009, 09:41 PM

Why would God speak to a person in a woman''s voice???? If God is neither male nor female???

if God is neither male nor female

then why not in the voice of a woman

besides not all voices within are Divine

New Age Messiah

12-16-2009, 09:43 PM

Maybe you heard a female voice because you wanted it to be a female voice at some level?

The soul goes beyond gender, energy isn't masculine or feminine.
Well, that's my idea at least.

It was a woman's voice as sure as the world.

And I didn't want it at all, it was just there, out of nowhere.

"I'm very angry, ...cooking" is what She said.

There is one word I missed, right before cooking, it just didn't quite go into my mind cleanly.

New Age Messiah

12-16-2009, 09:46 PM

if God is neither male nor female

then why not in the voice of a woman

I was on a tirade against Christianity and the Bible God, when I started my mission.

So, to me it proves that the Bible God isn't God, just like I knew in my heart.

Egyptian Ma'at, as far as I know from the signs, is the real boss. :original:

14 Chakras

12-16-2009, 09:52 PM

New Age Messiah

12-16-2009, 10:03 PM

While it is true that it is time for the return of the Divine Mother, it is not true that the Mother opposes the Father.

Truly, if a "Goddess" claims this, they are fallen.

Mother is Mater ~ Magnetism ~ Omega ~ Loving Nurturance
Father is Spiritual ~ Electricity ~ Alpha ~ Creative Intelligence

This may be true, but the Goddes never said She opposed the father, I just thought maybe it was after all, a similar situation as to how moms and dads treat kids differently.

But one thing that isn't true, that you said, is that Jesus was special, a "Christ".

It's not true. And the Bible God is not God.

I would dare say that the ideas about God found in the Bible and subsequently the Quaran are poison.

Israel is literally the appendix of the world.

371

12-16-2009, 10:08 PM

But one thing that isn't true, that you said, is that Jesus was special

Because, yeah, I am special.

Am I correct in assuming you think YOU are ABOVE Jesus?

New Age Messiah

12-16-2009, 10:13 PM

Am I correct in assuming you think YOU are ABOVE Jesus?

I know for a fact that Jesus is a made up story, as far being a great teacher, born of a virgin, sacrifice for mankind.

371

12-16-2009, 10:15 PM

Yes or No?

New Age Messiah

12-16-2009, 10:18 PM

Yes or No?

How can you be above or below or anti something that doesn't exist?

371

12-16-2009, 10:23 PM

Answer the question. IF you're so sure of yourself.

New Age Messiah

12-16-2009, 10:28 PM

Answer the question. IF you're so sure of yourself.

There is an assumption in the question, so you have to say, ASSUMING Jesus was born of a virgin and died on the cross for our sins, are you above Jesus?

THEN, I would say, no.

But he didn't. So your question is irrelevant. :original:

In the sense of being above or below, anything, I am above nothing and nobody.

I was put lower than any person has ever been put on this earth, remaining alive. I was put inside a black hole, I was a black hole, literally.

And I am rising again.

It's messianic in that my fall and rise was based on a sacrifice, and faith, and DIVINE intervention, miracles, etc.

There is a New Revelation and there will be a New Age and I am the New Age Messiah.

My sacrifice was accepted by the Goddess. :original:

This is a little bit about the Goddess, from a Wicca website...

http://www.wicca-spirituality.com/goddess-symbols.html

The apple has long been associated with the worship of the Goddess.

Note the story of Eve and the Serpent (one of the eternal Goddess symbols). When Eve ate the apple, she was taking in Divine wisdom - the knowledge that she is Divine. Thus she would become immortal.

The apple seems to have always been associated with death and eternal life.

Walker writes,

"Graves [in Greek Myths, vol. 2] points out that the whole story of Eve, Adam, and the serpent in the tree was deliberately misinterpreted from icons showing the Great Goddess offering life to her worshipper, in the form of an apple, with the tree and its serpent [the sacred guardian] in the background." (Barbara Walker, The Woman's Encyclopedia of Myths and Secrets, p 49.)

Naturally a jealous God - who wants to be the only god - would outlaw such knowledge of one's divinity! But since it is Truth, He couldn't keep it hidden forever. So when it came out, He decided to keep us so busy with survival and pain that we wouldn't have time to notice our divinity.

It worked pretty well!

Luckily the Goddess is more compassionate, and not threatened by others being empowered. She gave us plenty of hints along the way, to remember.

One of these is the apple. Cut in half, its seed bed - the most potent part of the fruit - reveals the sacred 5-pointed star within the circle of apple skin.

This is the pentacle - the expression of One Divinity as all facets of the world.

371

12-16-2009, 10:33 PM

You're dancing around it.... if you're so sure of yourself, what do you have to worry about...

If you don't think he existed, then it is a YES is it not?

New Age Messiah

12-16-2009, 10:50 PM

You're dancing around it.... if you're so sure of yourself, what do you have to worry about...

If you don't think he existed, then it is a YES is it not?

You're just baiting me. I am not dumb.

Paul never said a word that Jesus taught. Paul never even mentioned Jesus being a teacher. Paul never mentioned the virgin birth.

IF Jesus was a great teacher and had all these amazing things to say, Paul would have elaborated upon them.

IF Jesus was born of a virgin, Paul would have mentioned it. The idea of messiah as propounded by Christianity RELIES on Jesus being born of a virgin.

Jesus was a militant rebel, trying to force the kingdom of god, like so many in his day and age did, but the kingdom of god was just an independent Israeli state.

Paul made up a religion on the fly. Jesus' teachings are nothing special, and sometimes hideous.

It's the Emperor not wearing clothes things. So much of modern spiritual stuff is based on Jesus being someone special and Israel being God's chosen people. Neither premise is true, both are false.

371

12-16-2009, 10:53 PM

Ok........ got my answer, I think it should be pretty clear to everyone else too...

Thank you.

New Age Messiah

12-16-2009, 10:53 PM

Each of us should seek to balance both the Father / Alpha and Mother / Omega within our beings.

Balance is the key.

No person can will or make themselves to be anything better than what they are in essence.

Any groping to balance yourself or whatever is just ego energy.

Any dogma is just an ego attempt to control and manipulate.

RedeZra

12-17-2009, 08:02 PM

So much of modern spiritual stuff is based on Jesus being someone special and Israel being God's chosen people. Neither premise is true, both are false.

once upon a time

in a desert of decay

a righteous man

Abraham

found favor in the eyes of God

and as an apple does not fall far from the tree

Abraham was to be the father of a nation

a righteous nation

Israel

found favor in the eyes of God

time turns the pages into past

people do not look up to that they do not see

here is a New Covenant now

for all who believes in the message of the Messiah

and lives up to it

as best as they can

New Age Messiah

12-17-2009, 08:36 PM

once upon a time in a desert of decay a righteous man Abraham found favor in the eyes of God and as an apple does not fall far from the tree Abraham was to be the father of a nation a righteous nation
Israel found favor in the eyes of God time turns the pages into past people do not look up to that they do not see here is a New Covenant now for all who believes in the message of the Messiah and lives up to it as best as they can.

There was no fundamental message of the "messiah". If you're invited to a wedding, remember your oil, or burn in hell forever.

If you don't bear fruit, burn in hell forever.

If you're not ready in that hour, burn in hell forever.

If you're not on the narrow path, burn in hell forever.

If you try to make sense of this, and teach it, good luck. Everyone will hate you. :original:

RedeZra

12-17-2009, 08:44 PM

There was no fundamental message of the "messiah". If you're invited to a wedding, remember your oil, or burn in hell forever.

If you don't bear fruit, burn in hell forever.

If you're not ready in that hour, burn in hell forever.

If you're not on the narrow path, burn in hell forever.

If you try to make sense of this, and teach it, good luck. Everyone will hate you. :original:

seems to me your mind is bent on hell lol

me suspects you have not read the Gospel

well Im not trying to convince you

but I feel obliged to speak when me ears hear nonsense

Im working on that

in the meantime

please observe silence lol

New Age Messiah

12-17-2009, 09:00 PM

seems to me your mind is bent on hell lol

me suspects you have not read the Gospel

The part about almost everyone burning in hell forever??? :original:

well Im not trying to convince you

but I feel obliged to speak when me ears hear nonsense

Then you should certainly wash yourself of Christianity. :original:

in the meantime

please observe silence lol

I proved Christianity false. It's up to you whether you accept the fact. :original:

Since most people's ego identity relies on some religion being true, or whatever, they're pretty much hopeless to hear anything different.... :original:

RedeZra

12-17-2009, 09:17 PM

I proved Christianity false. It's up to you whether you accept the fact. :original:

where did you prove that

what are your sources

voices in the head lol

who's voice

the Church has become a ship without a Captain

a victim of mutiny

sailing under false flag

still there are decent people

confessing to Christianity

for the Captain

is not lost at sea

Reader

12-17-2009, 09:20 PM

Move along people, Nothing to see here

Lionhawk

12-17-2009, 09:27 PM

Well, I guess it is a common phenomenon across the board when it comes to Jesus. If you never truly sought him out, then you will never find him. Most people seek him out in a book. I could never find him there either, because he wasn't there. I guess it depends on where you look. All I can say is that it took 40 years to finally find him. He is just as real as you or I. Which also means he is around today. You can find him if you have the will to do so or the intent. In other words, Jesus is provable. It is simply a matter of your resolve. He isn't fiction.

There are Goddesses. They had a party a year ago that they wanted me to see. What I have concluded is that if you weren't at this party, then you were not invited because you don't have the right stuff. There were hundreds of them. What tripped me out was that I was the only male there. And I was also not allowed in on the floor but they wanted me to watch from a perched window to witness what they were celebrating. They came from all over this Universe to celebrate a pregnancy. The message was that everything is fine and on schedule. This was something grand as they all seemed to act as though they were all in unison, as if they were pregnant themselves, but weren't with what is about to be birthed in this Universe.

The God of our Universe will also speak to you in the tone that you are willing to hear. What is most comforting to you. God is all of the aspects including male and female energies. There are also more energies that are not duality in nature, that also promote creation, without the male and female aspects. We only limit our own perceptions by what we deal with here.

Again, what really makes us special is that we can prove these things out if we do not allow our resolve to be compromised by second hand methods.

Prove this stuff out people. Be your own Messiah! That is the real message that Jesus tried to tell everyone. :thumb_yello:

New Age Messiah

12-17-2009, 09:40 PM

where did you prove that

It's the greatest true story ever told. I thought everyone knew by now.

Go tell it on the mountain, the New Age messiah is here!!!! :trumpet:

Jonah

12-17-2009, 10:04 PM

Well...

This is starting to become redundant.... so

If we can all come to an agreement to disagree than that would be productive I think...

If the Christ consciousness was born by a virgin... than ok...

if he wasn't, than that's ok too...

if he never existed at all, than guess what..... still all good...

What is interesting though was how the message came across to so many people it resonates with.

Wrong or right ... I will chose to search my own consciousness for my own answer.. cheers

New Age Messiah

12-17-2009, 10:13 PM

Wrong or right ... I will chose to search my own consciousness for my own answer.. cheers

Just to really find it, you have to recognize it comes from nowhere and nothing, and it's not "your own" as in an ownership type thing.

It's Her Being. :original:

RedeZra

12-18-2009, 06:06 AM

Go tell it on the mountain, the New Age messiah is here!!!! :trumpet:

stones anyone lol

THE eXchanger

12-18-2009, 06:14 AM

"good god - direct "
susan/the eXchanger

waitinginthewings

12-18-2009, 06:54 AM

It's the greatest true story ever told. I thought everyone knew by now.

Go tell it on the mountain, the New Age messiah is here!!!! :trumpet:

Just for you Messiah:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G45ktb9JiBs&feature=PlayList&p=03EB113FCF59BE19&index=6

New Age Messiah

12-18-2009, 06:59 AM

Just for you Messiah:

Here's for the Christians... :original:

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New Age Messiah

12-18-2009, 07:00 AM

"good god - direct "

Time's a wasting, need to get to it!!! :original:

waitinginthewings

12-18-2009, 07:01 AM

Here's for the Christians... :original:

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I'm not a christian

New Age Messiah

12-18-2009, 07:06 AM

I'm not a christian

It's a way to express the basic mentality of it, and the emotional level it touches.

Didn't mean it for you, it was something I had loaded up ready to go.... :original:

Aztar

12-18-2009, 09:20 AM

lol I know my mother's Mother

and I know She has a Husband

and many Children

the Light is above every Universal Laws

also the Law of Gender

Bingo :)

Spiritual Awakenings can be a smooth ride or a rough ride, its depends on several factors not all of which I am aware of, if you have studied eastern texts or indigenous cultures they speak of preparation for spiritual experiences, centuries of practices passed down verbally and textually by knowledgeable men and women who "prepare those who show signs" for what they will be awakening within themselves. This road to awakening has on it "Pitfalls" that if your not prepared for can distract, this isn't a bad thing really as the Universe has an endless supply of guidance, love and patience.

This is a Interesting Letter by a man named Sri Aurobindo about this process.

The Intermediate Zone
http://kundalini.se/aurobindo-sv.html

Of course mythology is full of these stories, These are tales that deal with personal spiritual growth as well as a Cultural & Universal Jungian Archetypes.
Joseph Campbell tells many of these tales in books such as;

The Hero with a Thousand Faces (1949)
The Hero's Journey (1987)

When you no longer are compelled by desire and fear . . when you have seen the radiance in eternity from all forms of time . . when you follow your bliss . . doors will open where you would not have thought there were doors . . and the world will step in and help. Joseph Campbell

I have found that you have only to take that one step toward the gods, and they will then take ten steps toward you. That step, the heroic first step of the journey, is out of, or over the edge of, your boundaries, and it often must be taken before you know that you will. Joseph Campbell

New Age Messiah

12-18-2009, 07:05 PM

I have found that you have only to take that one step toward the gods, and they will then take ten steps toward you. That step, the heroic first step of the journey, is out of, or over the edge of, your boundaries, and it often must be taken before you know that you will. Joseph Campbell

That's a perfect summary of my story. What I find to be extremely problematic, is that...

In translating the real into the summary type, wisdom type, philosophical analytical knowledge, the LIFE of it is LOST.

IOW, people believe the only necessary response to what is happening, is to analyze it and make a statement about it.

And usually that statement, at least in my case, where I am living the greatest true story ever told, that statement COMPLETELY negates the LIFE of it.

Not one person has made any statement whatsoever even remotely close to suggesting that this story has any relevance, it's all the same ol' same ol'.

No wonder the Goddess is very angry. :original:

RedeZra

12-18-2009, 08:10 PM

IOW, people believe the only necessary response to what is happening, is to analyze it and make a statement about it.

one has to live it

to think speak and act it

head heart hands

must work in unison

else one is not believable

there is no blessing in lip service

it's just a mean to get ahead in this world

people are being played all the time

also by discarnate spirits

New Age Messiah

12-18-2009, 08:57 PM

head heart hands must work in unison else one is not believable there is no blessing in lip service it's just a mean to get ahead in this world people are being played all the time also by discarnate spirits.

My point is the signs from god are obvious and unambiguous, and no one cares.

I didn't make them happen.

The signs and miracles appeared, OVER and OVER again, and paint an unambiguous picture.

The works are there and the words and the spirit is perfectly clear.

People just would rather die than admit someone is chosen or special. :original:

BROOK

12-18-2009, 09:03 PM

That's a perfect summary of my story. What I find to be extremely problematic, is that...

In translating the real into the summary type, wisdom type, philosophical analytical knowledge, the LIFE of it is LOST.

IOW, people believe the only necessary response to what is happening, is to analyze it and make a statement about it.

And usually that statement, at least in my case, where I am living the greatest true story ever told, that statement COMPLETELY negates the LIFE of it.

Not one person has made any statement whatsoever even remotely close to suggesting that this story has any relevance, it's all the same ol' same ol'.

No wonder the Goddess is very angry. :original:

I think I missed something here...which Goddess are you speaking of?

New Age Messiah

12-18-2009, 09:10 PM

I think I missed something here...which Goddess are you speaking of?

The Goddess Ma'at, but She didn't say her name.

I think it was Ma'at, because I was talking about the show Lost, a couple days before She spoke to me, and about Ma'at, and Egypt, and the Goddess that I think the island on the show LOST is going to be portrayed as...

The greatest true story ever told... That's why I say I am the New Age Messiah.

BTW... She said "I'm very angry.... cooking."

14 Chakras

12-18-2009, 09:15 PM

I think I missed something here...which Goddess are you speaking of?

I mean no offence, I will simply suggest an alternative way of looking at "Ma-at" and the worship of mater. It is nice to have opportunity to discuss.

The "Goddess" being referred to is Ma'at, whom I would personally suggest is an Egyptian fallen being that represents the worship of matter ~ which is indeed anti-Christ and anti-Father because it is all about maintaining the illusion of separation, the illusion that spiritual is wrong and matter should never transcend itself, should stay in it's limited, suffering form for eternity, even while all the co-creators descend the depths of suffering and use up all their energy and light and are left with nothing.

This is what Ma'at and the fallen goddess consciousness represents (my personal take), the separation of spirit and matter. The denial of the Divine Father. The denial of the God Flame within all humanity. The denial of the Spiritual.

The return of the Divine Mother is at hand surely, however, I would personally say, the Divine Mother does not worship matter, rather it is Mater (Mater is Latin for Mother) and it is in perfect balance with the Divine Father, which is spiritual.

The goal of creation is to raise up the Mother so it meets the Father, not to deny the Father and worship only mater.

The balance of the Father Mother is our source. When we achieve balance within ourselves on Father Mother ~ then we are back in the Divine Flow of things...

As above so below, Mater is raised in vibration so that it is clear there is no separation from the spiritual. I AM a spiritual Being having a material experience in the sphere of Oneness.

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orthodoxymoron

12-18-2009, 09:23 PM

You're just baiting me. I am not dumb.

Paul never said a word that Jesus taught. Paul never even mentioned Jesus being a teacher. Paul never mentioned the virgin birth.

IF Jesus was a great teacher and had all these amazing things to say, Paul would have elaborated upon them.

IF Jesus was born of a virgin, Paul would have mentioned it. The idea of messiah as propounded by Christianity RELIES on Jesus being born of a virgin.

Jesus was a militant rebel, trying to force the kingdom of god, like so many in his day and age did, but the kingdom of god was just an independent Israeli state.

Paul made up a religion on the fly. Jesus' teachings are nothing special, and sometimes hideous.

It's the Emperor not wearing clothes things. So much of modern spiritual stuff is based on Jesus being someone special and Israel being God's chosen people. Neither premise is true, both are false.

The Teachings of Jesus (regardless of the source) are the real deal. Most of the rest of the Bible is BS (as usually taught). Paul did not carry out the Great Commission found in Matthew 28:18-20. Egyptology may be the key to properly understanding the Bible. Also consider the Gospel of Thomas and the Book of Enoch. I don't trust any of the Gods and Goddesses. Jesus was opposed to the Royal Model of Divinity and Governance. Jesus could have been a rebel Egyptian insider/whistleblower. Jesus did not command people to build temples and cathedrals...in which to worship and praise him. So who might Christians really be worshipping and praising on Sun-God Day? Could human-sacrifice, worship, and praise really be reptilian requirements? I think we will always need art, music, architecture, churches, clergy, fellowship, etc...but without penitence, human-sacrifice, worship, praise, gods, and goddesses. I like the idea of an Ecumenical Namaste Mass based upon the Latin Mass...without worship, praise, penitence, and sacrifice...which effectively communicates Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom. Now they're really gonna burn me.

Better Dead Than Rep.

:original:Namaste:original:

New Age Messiah

12-18-2009, 09:33 PM

The Teachings of Jesus (regardless of the source) are the real deal.

1). The sayings of Jesus were already being said before he lived.

2). While some of them are fairly close to true spirituality, most of them are hideous threats, ten virgins, being ready in that hour, narrow path, bearing fruit, etc.

3). The actual surroundings of the actual history establish FULL WELL that Jesus was not a spiritual teacher of any merit, he was crucified for being a militant. They decided he was "the" messiah after he was dead. They argued fussed and fought about what it all meant, as do churches still today.

Bottom line, it means nothing and is meaningless. My story proves it false, as only a true omniscient omnipotent being could have orchestrated my story. And I set out on a mission to REPLACE religion with NATURE, REALITY and SPIRIT. Which I succeeded in doing, with HER help, against all the machinations of arrogant MALE DOMINATED mass stupidity in society at large. :original:

They made up the born of a virgin dude form all the other old messiah stories. The kingdom of god was supposed to happen in that generation. All the prophecies were meant for that day and age. The gospels contradict each other on what Jesus said on the cross and what happened at the tomb.

Christianity is over.

BROOK

12-18-2009, 09:38 PM

I mean no offence, I will simply suggest an alternative way of looking at "Ma-at"
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Oh...Okay..thanks for clarifying that :thumb_yello:

New Age Messiah

12-18-2009, 09:39 PM

Oh...Okay..thanks for clarifying that :thumb_yello:

More like, thanks for completely obliterating the signs from the GODDESS in the name of your limited understanding and egotistical arrogance. :naughty:

New Age Messiah

12-18-2009, 09:50 PM

There are various scholarly interpretations of who or what Ma'at was, but this quote below is closest to my motto, which was "Reality is God, when you pretend or lie, you cease to exist you die."

My motto was proved true by my story, ordained and orchestrated by a Goddess, who spoke to me.

"Egypt, then, was seen to be nothing without Ma'at.

Ma'at was reality, the solid grounding of reality that made the Sun rise, the stars shine, the river flood and mankind think. The universe itself, all the world around them, was sacred in the ancient view. "Ethics" is an issue of human will and human permission. It is a function of the human world of duality. What is "ethical" for one group is sin for another. But Ma'at, the reality that made all groups what they are is transcendent of ethics, just as a rock or a flower is amoral, a-ethical, without "truth or falsehood." How can a flower be "false" or "ethical." It just is. How can the universe be "ethical or moral, right or wrong"? It simply is. That is Ma'at."

http://www.touregypt.net/godsofegypt/maat2.htm

Of course, I am sure 14 Chakras knows better than those dumb Egyptians. :naughty:

BROOK

12-18-2009, 09:53 PM

More like, thanks for completely obliterating the signs from the GODDESS in the name of your limited understanding and egotistical arrogance. :naughty:

That is a totally un necessary remark...I really did not know which Goddes was being spoken about. And let me tell you something..I know a whole lot about the Goddess...I give you the floor.

New Age Messiah

12-18-2009, 10:00 PM

That is a totally un necessary remark...I really did not know which Goddes was being spoken about. And let me tell you something..I know a whole lot about the Goddess...I give you the floor.

14 Chakras has repeatedly pestered and insulted me, and he called the Goddess that spoke to me evil or fallen, so it was very necessary. :original:

New Age Messiah

12-18-2009, 10:08 PM

I mean no offence, I will simply suggest an alternative way of looking at "Ma-at" and the worship of mater.

The title of the thread is worship is not necessary. :smoke:

I am the spiritual authority in the world at this time, as I am the ordained New Age Messiah. :trumpet:

Jonah

12-18-2009, 10:15 PM

So messiah,

just curious.... your goddess.... is she the goddess of all matter? light or dark?

BROOK

12-18-2009, 10:16 PM

14 Chakras has repeatedly pestered and insulted me, and he called the Goddess that spoke to me evil or fallen, so it was very necessary. :original:

Never the less, it was still un necessary to call me egotistical and arrogance.
You do net even know me. You might want to ask your Goddess about me and my Egyptian connection

Jonah

12-18-2009, 10:17 PM

More like, thanks for completely obliterating the signs from the GODDESS in the name of your limited understanding and egotistical arrogance. :naughty:

This is arrogance in rebuttal... and it is not wise to fight fire with fire...

Ross H

12-18-2009, 10:21 PM

14 Chakras has repeatedly pestered and insulted me, and he called the Goddess that spoke to me evil or fallen, so it was very necessary. :original:

NAM, I have read all the above pages on this thread, while your view is your personal message, so is 14chakras:Quote:

This is what Ma'at and the fallen goddess consciousness represents (my personal take), the separation of spirit and matter. The denial of the Divine Father. The denial of the God Flame within all humanity. The denial of the Spiritual.

You get that? , THE 'my personal take', this is not insulting in any way shape or form. 14 chakras has the insight to use such words as, my personal take on things, while being sensitive to others views.

Please refrain from being 'holier than thou' and make better use of the emotion icons. This is not the best way to communicate your message.

Peace.

New Age Messiah

12-18-2009, 10:21 PM

Never the less, it was still un necessary to call me egotistical and arrogance.
You do net even know me. You might want to ask your Goddess about me and my Egyptian connection

Ni, 14 Chakras runs around all the time trying to correct or impugn me, calling me egotistical or whatever...

You misinterpreted...

I didn't say it about you... OK??? :original:

New Age Messiah

12-18-2009, 10:31 PM

Please refrain from being 'holier than thou' and make better use of the emotion icons. This is not the best way to communicate your message.

What about all the holier than thou messages 14 has written to me already???

What could be more holier than thou than to negate a person's entire life and story by saying it was anti christ or fallen or whatever????

If you say it's your personal take, all is forgiven???

Geez.

New Age Messiah

12-18-2009, 10:36 PM

So messiah,

just curious.... your goddess.... is she the goddess of all matter? light or dark?

I don't know. ONLY omniscient omnipotent divinity could have orchestrated my story, and that divinity spoke to me in the voice of a woman shortly after I had a conversation about Ma'at.

Reality is God, was my motto, and it turns out Reality is Goddess, as the Egyptians believed (or knew).

The story proves it true. The miracles speak for themselves.

Ross H

12-18-2009, 10:38 PM

The title of the thread is worship is not necessary. :smoke:

I am the spiritual authority in the world at this time, as I am the ordained New Age Messiah. :trumpet:

This is a 'holier than thou' statement. Using the 'I am'.

orthodoxymoron

12-18-2009, 10:38 PM

1). The sayings of Jesus were already being said before he lived.

2). While some of them are fairly close to true spirituality, most of them are hideous threats, ten virgins, being ready in that hour, narrow path, bearing fruit, etc.

3). The actual surroundings of the actual history establish FULL WELL that Jesus was not a spiritual teacher of any merit, he was crucified for being a militant. They decided he was "the" messiah after he was dead. They argued fussed and fought about what it all meant, as do churches still today.

Bottom line, it means nothing and is meaningless. My story proves it false, as only a true omniscient omnipotent being could have orchestrated my story. And I set out on a mission to REPLACE religion with NATURE, REALITY and SPIRIT. Which I succeeded in doing, with HER help, against all the machinations of arrogant MALE DOMINATED mass stupidity in society at large. :original:

They made up the born of a virgin dude form all the other old messiah stories. The kingdom of god was supposed to happen in that generation. All the prophecies were meant for that day and age. The gospels contradict each other on what Jesus said on the cross and what happened at the tomb.

Christianity is over.

1. The principles and concepts revealed in the words attributed to Christ are much more important to me than the source. I don't think anyone was meticulously writing down everything Jesus said. His 'teachings' may have even consisted of a pre-prepared script of the 'Best Hits of Ancient Wisdom'.

2. The moral of the Parable of the Ten Virgins (and being prepared) is to be spiritually prepared for spiritual warfare...which will intensify eschatologically...in the 'Quickening'. The Narrow Path imagery represents that those who are irresponsible and who do not love neighbor as self...will not be able to participate in the 'Kingdom of God'. This put the Corrupt PTB on notice that they would be on the outside...looking in. People 'bear fruit' and behave responsibly when they are spiritually mature. How one lives, and how one treats others, is extremely important. The essence of the Teachings of Jesus is Namaste Responsible Freedom. It is a Religion of Responsibility.

3. I have very little argument with Albert Schweitzer and his 'Quest of the Historical Jesus'...and little argument with most legitimate Jesus Studies...such as conducted by 'The Jesus Seminar'...or reflected in books such as 'A Myth of Innocence' by Louise Gluck. The Teachings of Jesus were suppressed after his death. Paul established a very different religion...not based upon the Teachings of Jesus. The churches are fussing, fuming, and confused...because they don't follow the Teachings of Jesus. They don't do what Jesus said to do.

It sounds as though you are seeking to replace a god with a goddess. Who knows...they may be the same being. I don't dispute your experience. Supernatural Stuff (SS) really happens...but I generally don't trust the supernatural because of so much deception and demonic activity.

You are correct that Christianity (as is usually taught) has astrological and pagan aspects...and mirrors ancient mythology. You are also correct that the prophecies of Christ applied to that present generation. Some try to use dual applications (then and now) through inaugurated and consummated eschatology.

Churchianity is over (unless the New World Order Theocracy is successful). Christlike Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom is just beginning.

:original:Namaste:original:

New Age Messiah

12-18-2009, 10:39 PM

This is arrogance in rebuttal... and it is not wise to fight fire with fire...
I've mentioned that I'm in a black hole, so, a little testy I can still be, since I have massive trauma whirling inside me 24x7. :original:

New Age Messiah

12-18-2009, 10:44 PM

This is a 'holier than thou' statement. Using the 'I am'.

It's not "the" I am. I am the New Age Messiah. I sacrificed myself. My sacrifice was accepted.

It wasn't me that made the miracles happen. I didn't do any of it, except what a crippled beggar could, barely, by the thinnest thread imaginable...

New Age Messiah

12-18-2009, 10:52 PM

Orthodox...

See, what happened is, people were begging for a messiah, people were lining up to be the messiah. The messiah's sole function was to deliver the Jews out from Roman rule. The kingdom of God was just an independent Israeli state.

Heaven didn't exist, neither did hell.

Jesus was a leading rebel, strong, in the line of David.

He got crucified, the rebellion was crushed and so were the spirits of the Jews.. Then they said he was the messiah.

If Jesus would have been a great teacher, Paul would have taught what Jesus taught. If Jesus was born of a virgin, Paul would have said it.

Paul was writing what was, in his mind, the authoritative word of what Jesus meant to the world. He said everything he knew to say.

There were conflicting gospels, i.e. interpretations...

The book "The Birth of Christianity" by Joel Charmichael describes very well what was going on.

Paul was learning the spiritual indwelling stuff form pagans long before he ever heard of Jesus.

On and on... I proved the religion false. And I proved all other religions false.

So now we get to start New for the New Age. Makes sense.

Aztar

12-18-2009, 10:55 PM

Has anyone else besides me figured this out yet?

BROOK

12-18-2009, 11:17 PM

Has anyone else besides me figured this out yet?

No

waitinginthewings

12-19-2009, 01:24 AM

I am confused....you said you are a black hole & you also said your are "the Messiah".......so

does this mean you are a Messiah with a black hole in you? just trying to make sense of what you said.

New Age Messiah

12-19-2009, 02:10 AM

I am confused....you said you are a black hole & you also said your are "the Messiah".......so

does this mean you are a Messiah with a black hole in you? just trying to make sense of what you said.

I declared a mission to go into the depths, to find something new.

And then by the weirdest twist of fate ever, I got psycho-tortured into a black hole and then I had a revelation and saw a light.

And then there were millennial scale miracles, one after another after another, and then finally the Goddess spoke to me.

It has taken 24x7 grueling "gnosis" to find my way out of the black hole.

I was crippled and deranged, slandered and hated, la la la.

People turn off as soon as you say the wrong thing, but, it's the greatest true story ever told, and I could write for a century...

The miracles are undeniable and unfathomable...

The mission was fulfilled. It was sacrificial from the heart.

I found something new, and shazam, the New Age is upon us.

waitinginthewings

12-19-2009, 02:17 AM

thank you for your explaination Messiah.......what is your work now? Do you have a goal to accomplish?

orthodoxymoron

12-19-2009, 02:27 AM

Take a look at this thread http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15014&highlight=orthodoxymoron in the context of the current thread (especially the first post of the linked thread).

Perhaps it is helpful to think in terms of what we would do if we were really a messianic figure...but I think there are already too many chiefs and wannabe chiefs. There really isn't a whole lot of room at the top of the pyramid...and those who are there seem to be as corrupt as hell...and that's pretty corrupt. Does one have to bow down and worship Satan...and become perfectly possessed with a demonic spirit to become a 'god' at the top of the pyramid?

These two videos are interesting to me regarding the 'top job':

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6eTbhHE0jM&feature=PlayList&p=C271BC15F76286EC&index=0&playnext=1YouTube-
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z7O7UZxipM

:original:Namaste:original:

New Age Messiah

12-19-2009, 02:31 AM

thank you for your explaination Messiah.......what is your work now? Do you have a goal to accomplish?

My goal is to survive the unleashing, of the trauma in its final stage, any second, it'll be a gamma ray burst type thing.

It's POWERFUL.

I have lived as a bicycle monk in Coeur d'Alene, Idaho for five years.

I painted Coeur d'Alene and a spiritual battle, twenty years before I got to Coeur d'Alene... It was the only painting I ever did, except a little warm up painting... http://www.lookyourheartinthemirror.com/coeur-dalene.html

And now I find out Coeur d'Alene has been prophecied to be a Golden Age Golden City or whatever, by Lori Toye and Michael Scallion.

I have been saying Coeur d'Alene is the New Jerusalem for several years. I said I would be the next Ghandi, a year before I found out I have the same birthday as him...

I was commercial agent of the year in real estate, and I've done lots of things, but as it is now, where all society trampled and ridiculed and hated and rejected me here, slandered, BAD, and the courts and police and social services and every facet of society failed...

Anyway, I sit crippled in my house, go to the gym as often as I can, and wait. I live on pennies from heaven, barely survive on thin ice constantly, even now. Hasn't changed for years.

The newspaper has suppressed the story, etc. :original:

My landlord lives in Rescue California, and he rescued me.

Every aspect of the story is like that...

waitinginthewings

12-19-2009, 02:57 AM

You said....that you sit crippled in your house.......are you unable physically to walk or ride a bike?

New Age Messiah

12-19-2009, 03:12 AM

You said....that you sit crippled in your house.......are you unable physically to walk or ride a bike?

It's an intense storm in my body, that I can turn off, like repress, if I have to.

I can do physical things. My awareness is in a time warp, though, most of my awareness is in a black hole, spinning like a tornado, literally. Massive pressure, held back by a point of singularity and tons of tiny filaments of tension twisted in knots, spinning...

I am sure no one has ever experienced what I am experiencing, and it could not have happened except that I learned the mechanics of a black hole as a LOST fan, reading up on the science of it, trying to figure out how the island disappears.

There is nothing human about me, as I experience life, hardly, a little bit now, barely. But I do have all the cognitive information. "I am the universe" and "Reality is God" were the two most important things I knew from my ego life of learning, and I put those into practice and they proved true.

RedeZra

12-19-2009, 05:51 AM

1). The sayings of Jesus were already being said before he lived.

that is because

truths are not fashions

that change with the seasons

the wordings might differ

from time to place

in conformity with the recipients

the kernel inside the husks has the same taste

not one generation lives up to the teachings

but ever so often

individuals come along and pluck them

and that is what it's all about

one's personal journey to the unknown

the fingers are pointing

distractions abounding

the sidetracks exiting

the world is confounding

what will I do with this stick

New Age Messiah

12-19-2009, 06:00 AM

[CENTER]
that is because truths are not fashions that change with the seasons the wordings might differ from time to place in conformity with the recipients the kernel inside the husks has the same taste not one generation lives up to the teachings but ever so often individuals come along and pluck them and that is what it's all about one's personal journey to the unknown the fingers are pointing distractions abounding the sidetracks exiting the world is confounding what will I do with this stick

Throw it in the fire, if it didn't bear fruit!!!

The sayings of Jesus were already being said, proves that it was EASY to manufacture a FAKE life story.

The made up story Jesus said NOTHING new, he was NO great teacher.

Obviously if Jesus was a great teacher, Paul would have mentioned that, and elaborated upon the teaching.

Jesus said and did nothing unusual. People die all the time for their religion or their country, willingly.

If he knew he was the Son of God and would be resurrected, what's the big deal anyway???

It's a non-story, all spin and hype and lies. :original:

RedeZra

12-19-2009, 07:26 AM

Throw it in the fire, if it didn't bear fruit!!!

1st I will pat your head with it lol

there are teachers before and after Jesus telling the same truths

truths do not change

if they do they hardly were truths

the case of the Christ

made of a woman

made under the law

as Paul says

means His body was biologicaly formed

in His mother's womb

like any other body

but He is begotten and not born of a woman

we are not our bodies but we enter life because of intercourse

this is the normal conception

the case of the Christ is a noble conception

begotten by the Father

spawning a sphere into the womb of Mary

the big deal is

the troubles of the world was forseen and redeemed

by the Passion of the Christ

14 Chakras

12-19-2009, 07:55 AM

We all have pieces of the puzzle. I personally agree that I do not believe Jesus was born of a virgin. I believe the word that was translated as "virgin" in English versions and later versions of the original text actually means "PURE". Mary was Pure, Jesus had brothers and sisters, Joseph was his father, and she was not a virgin.

(Also noting Jesus is constantly referring to himself as the "son of man" in the new testament).

Jesus embodied the Christ consciousness, Christ consciousness is the "only begotten Son of the Father", and you can embody this consciousness too, because the messiah is indeed the Christ consciousness and the Passion of the Christ is when you let your ego die on the cross of the things of this world and are reborn as the Living Christ Being that you really are.

The savior and messiah is indeed reality, it is inside and it is your own, and every single person's own Christ Self ~ The Messiah within.

New Age Messiah

12-19-2009, 08:05 AM

I think all that Christ consciousness stuff is just to placate Christians, and lure them into new age stuff.

Jesus is a made up story. He wasn't a teacher. Sorry. he was a rebel, jihad type, trying to bring about an independent Israeli state. He was in the line of David, so the messiah thing worked.

Nobody knew what a messiah was, for sure, so they all made up their own ideas. Paul vs. the apostles. Paul wins by way of the apostles didn't write anything down, because they thought the end was happening as they were alive.

After everyone was dead, they went through Paul's writings, added some Mithra stuff, some other messiahs stuff, some truisms, and the virgin born stuff and threw in a few dramatic deals, like the tomb story that is inconsistent from "gospel" to "gospel".

Obviously the whole thing was made up and thrown together haphazardly, makes no sense and does not address the human condition and that is why despite TRILLIONS of dollars and MILLIONS of professional Christians, the religion falls flat and all that happens because of it is CHURCH. :original:

Jesus is about like the other "messiah" Obama, we know almost nothing about him, except what tptb tell us, how grand he is, etc. :original:

RedeZra

12-19-2009, 08:18 AM

I personally agree that I do not believe Jesus was born of a virgin. I believe the word that was translated as "virgin" in English versions and later versions of the original text actually means "PURE". Mary was Pure, Jesus had brothers and sisters, Joseph was his father, and she was not a virgin.

lol yes Jesus had younger brothers and sisters

He was Mary's 1st child

when she still was a virgin

Listen to Gabriel

The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God

14 Chakras

12-19-2009, 08:24 AM

"The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God"

Yes, agreed.

Now fact is (I would say), YOU RedeZra are the Son of God. You simply must remember and take up your rightful role as a Co-Creator, not a victim, not 'a sinner', but Be Perfect as your Father / I AM in Heaven is perfect by "letting this mind BE in you that also was in Christ Jesus".

Now that quote above is fine and dandy, I would agree, the Holy Spirit did indeed overshadow Joseph as he "knew" Mary to create Jesus. Yes indeed. I agree with the quote.

I strongly, strongly, strongly believe that it is pure myth that Jesus was born of a virgin (and if you do look at ancient legends you will see this was always the legend with the "god men" from the legends) but the reality is that it is a myth perpetrated by the Prince of this world, and the purpose is to make it seem impossible to follow in the footsteps of Jesus, instead to worship him like the golden calf and create the graven image of God the father and 'his only son Jesus', which is simply rediculous frankly imo.

Jesus had a very important mission, it was to walk the path of Christhood and demonstrate the Christ consciousness and total surrender to the I AM within.

The reason he did so was not so he could be a BLOOD SACRIFICE TO AN ANGRY GOD IN THE SKY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! As letters from Paul may have us believe from 2000 years ago.

I suggest Paul created this myth in order to help the Jews stop doing the realistically satanic practice of blood sacrifice every week to their angry god in the sky. He said this to help them stop doing it, not because it had any basis in reality whatsoever (in my opinion ;) ).

I suggest the reason Jesus came and fulfilled his mission, was so that YOU would follow him and take up YOUR CROSS and die daily , until you have been reborn as the Christ as Jesus was reborn as the Christ by knowing the reality that I and my Father are One.

(I still am a bit passionate about a few subjects and capitalize words when maybe I shouldn't... .;) )

RedeZra

12-19-2009, 08:38 AM

Now fact is (I would say), YOU RedeZra are the Son of God. You simply must remember and take up your rightful role as a Co-Creator, not a victim, not 'a sinner', but Be Perfect as your Father / I AM in Heaven is perfect by "letting this mind BE in you that also was in Christ Jesus".

sure I can become that

because I am that

Jesus is that

therein lies the difference

do you see it

ExhaLatioN

12-19-2009, 08:43 AM

The battle has always been going on inside and once you have mastered that then the illusion is no longer an illusion but a very complex game. Freedom is in the eye of the beholder.

14 Chakras

12-19-2009, 08:45 AM

sure I can become that

because I am that

Jesus is that

therein lies the difference

do you see it

Yah definitely I do. For me, I work with Jesus Christ so that I can Be the Christ like he was the Christ. I choose to follow in the Masters' footsteps and I wish for All of his sheep to do the same.

I hold Jesus to his Word: You will do the works that I do, only greater works than these you will do because I Ascend to the Father.

Yes definitely, Jesus is the Christ in the spiritual realm (along with many other Masters), and I am still working on surrendering the ego. I call to Jesus, work with the Ascended Jesus Christ on a daily basis and will continue to do so for this embodiment. Highly recommend we all do!!!

New Age Messiah

12-19-2009, 08:52 AM

Mankind has been foolishly worshiping gods forever.

Thank Goddess for the New Age Messiah and that nonsense can finally end. :original:

The Goddess worships Her creation with love and power, CONSTANTLY, all NEW energy is LOVE.

The soul reprocesses old energies into thoughts and feelings which most likely are not loving...

Purify the old energies by being them without owning them, they are Her being, it is not your responsibility to be. She is.

RedeZra

12-19-2009, 08:56 AM

I hold Jesus to his Word: You will do the works that I do, only greater works than these you will do because I Ascend to the Father.

just curious

what great works do you wish to do Chakra

apart from creating new planets lol

greybeard

12-19-2009, 09:01 AM

sure I can become that

because I am that

Jesus is that

therein lies the difference

do you see it

Its a question of languaging.
Its not possible to explain a subjective state.
God created everything without diminishing himself.
There is no where God is not
God is the totality all of it.
Jesus said The father and I are one.
Therfore Christ consciousnes is the totality
We are part of the totality God is within us Christ is within us.
We are One its just a question of removing all obstruction to remembering what we are allready We are I am that I am.
My words are not the truth they can only point to it.

Prayer is necessary for the obstacles to be removed. A higher energy than is our earthly body is necessary to awaken within us the knowledge of what we are.

Hope this helps

Chris

14 Chakras

12-19-2009, 09:04 AM

I really wish no works, I really don't care to be honest, but I do wish to Be Below all that I AM Above. I do wish to remember. I do wish to see through the veil and Be the Christ ~ Why? Well, quite honestly I do wish to do so simply to fulfill the promise, fulfill my Divine Plan and realistically I care very much about Planet Earth and the beautiful people, and I have no desire to see this fall any further, I have a strong desire for a Golden to come to Earth and it's people's. I'm upset with what I see the Powers that be doing, I do not wish for this to continue.

I believe the true message of Jesus, was that unless we choose to follow him and be the Christ, then heaven will simply not come to earth. The outer savior is an illusion, a lie. Only if we choose to Be will this earth be raised up. Only if we choose to Be, will we follow the commandment from day one: Take dominion over your planet.

Right now, PTB are ET. We do not even run our own planet. I don't like that.

So I choose to surrender my ego, in exchange for the Christ consciousness, and I do so willingly because I know if I don't, who will? Who is? Who is Being? It is time to Be. And only you can decide whether you choose to Be.

I choose to Be. And I wish very much for my brothers and sisters here to choose to Be, to BE reborn as the Living Christ, our True nature.

greybeard

12-19-2009, 12:12 PM

I would like to sugest that people who are interested in their personal spiritual evolution have a look at the work of Dr David Hawkins
On this link
http://www.veritaspub.com/

He is a present day mystic.

Respect all but be devoted only to the Creator is my advice.

The lower astral is full of very powerful beings who deny God.
Its a very attractive spiritual circus full of half truths.
Very dangerous "Wolves in sheeps clothing"

Im not of any religion.

Chris

RedeZra

12-19-2009, 04:15 PM

We are One its just a question of removing all obstruction to remembering what we are allready We are I am that I am.

yes

and the removal of obstructions to Self

is in a sense a somewhat time consuming process

like larvas becoming butterflies

is the larva a butterfly

while crawling about it looks and acts as a larva

with potential of wings within

in this analogy Jesus came into the world as a full-blown butterfly

looking like a larva lol

14 Chakras

12-19-2009, 04:23 PM

in this analogy Jesus came into the world as a full-blown butterfly

looking like a larva lol

I suggest this is not the case and it is indeed an illusion perpetrated by the prince of this world to make it seem impossible to follow in the Masters footsteps and instead create the image of the golden calf to be worshiped rather than followed.

Jesus mission truly began after he was baptized by John and the Light decended and he went into the desert. He was 30 years old.

When he went and spoke at the temple after returning from the desert they were shocked at the power in his voice, they could hardly believe that it was Joseph son.

Why the sudden change? He had 30 years up until then, ye they were not shocked until he came in when he was 30.

I strongly suggest considering that Jesus was born into the matrix like you were, not by a god sperm, but by Joseph sperm. That Jesus had to do the hard work on himself, like you have to on yourself, and that Jesus is not the savior of the world, rather he became One with the savior of the world, which is the Christ consciousness and which can only save when one takes up their cross and walks in the footsteps of the Master, surrenders their human ego in return for who they are in Oneness with the infinite, with All Life.

Jesus, Gautama Buddha were both men, humans. They did the work on themselves and accepted the reality of who they are in Oneness and they were reborn in consciousness. They told us we needed to do the same.

This is each one of our options, and truly, it is our sacred duty, as it is why we embodied in the mater universe in the first place, to connect to who we are in Oneness, affirm that we are Divine spark within, we are the I AM, and raise up the mater realm from within by letting the Light shine through us.

~~~~~

RedeZra

12-19-2009, 05:22 PM

in this analogy Jesus came into the world as a full-blown butterfly

looking like a larva lol

I suggest this is not the case and it is indeed an illusion perpetrated by the prince of this world to make it seem impossible to follow in the Masters footsteps and instead create the image of the golden calf to be worshiped rather than followed.

lol you can suggest what you want from the top of your head

why would His Divinity make it impossible to walk in His steps

are you not yourself Divine

did He do any superhuman feats besides the miracles and the Resurrection lol

did He not advice how to live to accomplish the spiritual metamorphosis

Jesus came into the world as a Divine Being

our world of men and women with the Divine potential within

Jesus points to this Divinity within us and says

Man how long will you crawl about on Earth like a mere mortal

being tossed around as a victim of circumstances

there is your wings and here is how you strech them

to fly above the confinement of the elements

Jesus does not want our worship

He wants us to be like Him

Jesus mission truly began after he was baptized by John and the Light decended and he went into the desert. He was 30 years old.

When he went and spoke at the temple after returning from the desert they were shocked at the power in his voice, they could hardly believe that it was Joseph son.

Why the sudden change? He had 30 years up until then, ye they were not shocked until he came in when he was 30.

simply because that was the time of His mission

that was the time to publicly reveal and confirm His Divinity from God

the Divine does not flaunt Itself

Jesus walked and talked like a Man

He is not a God realized being like say Sri Ramana

He is Divine and comes directly from Divinity

the Son begotten of God

I strongly suggest considering that Jesus was born into the matrix like you were, not by a god sperm, but by Joseph sperm. That Jesus had to do the hard work on himself, like you have to on yourself, and that Jesus is not the savior of the world, rather he became One with the savior of the world, which is the Christ consciousness and which can only save when one takes up their cross and walks in the footsteps of the Master, surrenders their human ego in return for who they are in Oneness with the infinite, with All Life.

speculations do not supersede Scripture

the devil is working on a dream

which involves stripping the Divinity of Jesus from the minds of men

Jesus is the Supreme Savior

to those who are loosing the battle of the Soul

greybeard

12-19-2009, 06:25 PM

in this analogy Jesus came into the world as a full-blown butterfly

looking like a larva lol

lol you can suggest what you want from the top of your head

why would His Divinity make it impossible to walk in His steps

are you not yourself Divine

did He do any superhuman feats besides the miracles and the Resurrection lol

did He not advice how to live to accomplish the spiritual metamorphosis

Jesus came into the world as a Divine Being

our world of men and women with the Divine potential within

Jesus points to this Divinity within us and says

Man how long will you crawl about on Earth like a mere mortal

being tossed around as a victim of circumstances

there is your wings and here is how you strech them

to fly above the confinement of the elements

Jesus does not want our worship

He wants us to be like Him

simply because that was the time of His mission

that was the time to publicly reveal and confirm His Divinity from God

the Divine does not flaunt Itself

Jesus walked and talked like a Man

He is not a God realized being like say Sri Ramana

He is Divine and comes directly from Divinity

the Son begotten of God

Why do I feel I have met you RedeZra?
I am 100% in agreement with you.

(without getting into conception for I do not know)

There would be no point in Jesus coming into this world knowing that he was divine.

He had to start at the same place of spiritual ignorance as the rest of us.
How could he show us the way without travelling it---- all of it?

We did not come into this world knowing our divinity either, we had to be shown a way to realize the Trurh.
The " I am" is the way the path.

All of the spiritual geniuses before Jesus showed the same path more or less, maybe a different way of walking it but in essence the same end result, overcoming the world, being one with the Father.

He did not set himself above us and said that we could do the same and more.

So we are left a difficult path of prayer and devotion.
Prayers is very important or we would not have been given the "Lords prayer"
I am not of any religion.

I see I might be missunderstood.
I believe that Jesus was sent here directly with the mission that he acomplished.
I have no idea when he realised the truth of his mission and who he is. (present tense)

Chris

RedeZra

12-19-2009, 07:20 PM

Why do I feel I have met you RedeZra?
I am 100% in agreement with you.

I see I might be missunderstood.
I believe that Jesus was sent here directly with the mission that he acomplished.
I have no idea when he realised the truth of his mission and who he is. (present tense)

lol yes not 100% in agreement after all but that's okay I might be wrong

the important point is that He was on a Mission from God

or was He lol

Scripture says so

speculators still speculate

greybeard

12-19-2009, 07:52 PM

I accept that Jesus may have known from birth who he was/is.
Now are we 100% ? smiling
Regards Chris

New Age Messiah

12-19-2009, 08:03 PM

I guess you guys forgot what I said, Jesus is a made up story. :original:

Just like the many, many other stories you probably think are made up.

Like the mormon guy, and the Mohammed guy, and Mithra, Horus and Zeus etc.

THE eXchanger

12-19-2009, 08:32 PM

I guess you guys forgot what I said, Jesus is a made up story. :original:
Just like the many, many other stories you probably think are made up.
Like the mormon guy, and the Mohammed guy, and Mithra, Horus and Zeus etc.

Everyone here, on your list, has walked incarnate, in this world !!!

THE eXchanger

12-19-2009, 08:34 PM

THE eXchanger

12-19-2009, 08:34 PM

biggest difficulty is that 'the truth'
or, at least 'the belief' you carry about 'the truth'
isn't always accurate

New Age Messiah

12-19-2009, 08:58 PM

Everyone here, on your list, has walked incarnate, in this world !!!

Yeah, I said that about Jesus, and I'm pretty sure it's true about the others.

They made a ton of stuff up about him after he died. It's just the most rational conclusion from the facts.

If Jesus' teachings were special, Paul would have written about them and elaborated on them.

If Jesus was born of a virgin, Paul would have said so.

Paul's writings are reliably Paul's writings. The rest of the New Testament comes from who knows where; the various accounts contradict on CRITICAL matters of FACT... So they are obviously MADE UP to a degree.

The question is to what degree? And it's pretty easy to see it's all a big copycat from other stories and the teachings were lifted form truisms of the day. Frankly they're nothing special, when you consider all that COULD be said by a great teacher, Jesus said almost nothing. And what he did say was reprehensible, in my opinion (but he didn't say it, that's the thing). They made it up. Heaven and hell didn't exist, God forgot to tell the Jews about it, even thought they were his chosen people....

People are people, all the same essence. Some are "hired" to do something special, I volunteered, then when it got tough I resisted and gave up, but it was too late, I took the step, the leap of faith, and then I had no choice but to be a "messiah" or die.

Messiah being the spiritual action hero to prove the true nature of life and who is really calling the shots, a GODDESS, referred to as Ma'at in Egypt...

I don't know anything about reptilians species or anything related to aliens.

I know people who have told me they were abducted and stuff turned out to be flakes, at least they were willing to lie about other things, quite profusely, so why wouldn't they lie about being abducted???

So far I have no PERSONAL information to validate any claims of ET contacts.

Doesn't mean they don't exist, but I am still agnostic. :original:

greybeard

12-19-2009, 09:01 PM

absolutely NONE of them,
'in truth' did NOT ask anyone to worship them
like you, they were an eXample
of what you could choose to be,
or, NOT choose to be,
it's a voyage of choices,
with 'free will",
and, it is always about 'energy'

the 'right' energy, is the 'real' magic

Hi Susan
Yes its a step down energy situation.
God at an infinite energy level beyond our comprehension.

God/creator infinite energy within every atom.

There are two types of energy manifest and unfanifest, we are form at the momoment.

Advaita will say "One story is as good as another -- only God is"

We may be concerned on the future of the human race and thats good.
However if the human race becomes extinct then we will reapear in another form in our next incarnation.

Not saying Im right but that is my understanding.

The Buddah said put no head above your own.
All souls are equal.
All spirit having a human experience
All energy manifest.
Chris

14 Chakras

12-19-2009, 09:18 PM

I suggest, when we stop being human, and start Being the Christ, that's when we will have solutions for the problems we face here Now. ;)

Is Jesus Christ Divine? Of course.

Did he have a mission to fulfill here? Of course.

Was it easy for Jesus: I suggest he faced the same kind of hardships we do, he worked through it, overcame it and had his God victory.

Was Jesus a perfect child: I also suggest contrary to the myth that surrounds his life that he was in no way a perfect child, he had plenty of stuff to work through like you or I do.

Are we Divine? Yes, but so far (like Jesus as a child), we're not always Being Divine because we're often being ego by not being at all.

Does each one of us have a Divine mission to fulfill here? Of course. Connect to our mission by connecting to your own inner Divinity, our own Divine spark, like Jesus connected to his own Divine spark within, the spark that is in Oneness with All Life including the "Father" that Jesus referred to, All that IS.

Is it easy of us? I suggest that we too can overcome our hardships as Jesus did and Be the Christ, just by Being whatever our still small voice directs us to do next. What is it? That is a Christ decision.

Whatever mistakes we have made in the past should have no influence on whatever decision we make Now other than to have the wisdom to make a better decision Now.

New Age Messiah

12-19-2009, 09:29 PM

Is Jesus Christ Divine? Of course. NOT

Did he have a mission to fulfill here? Of course. NOT

Is it easy of us? I suggest that we too can overcome our hardships as Jesus did and Be the Christ, just by Being whatever our still small voice directs us to do next. What is it? That is a Christ decision.

You can't do anything by effort to become spiritual.

You can only stop doing what your psyche does to block Reality, truth Spirit, GODDESS Mother Nature.

And you can't stop doing it until your UNDERSTANDING gets DEEP enough and you consciousness is SURRENDERED enough to see what you are DOING subconsciously as a SCARED child AFRAID to the core, or at the core...

STORED fear from early childhood, frozen images, clouded soul by energies not dealt with at the time and subsequently repressed...

It has NOTHING to do with Jesus or anyone else. :original:

New Age Messiah

12-19-2009, 10:05 PM

Want to explain effortless, as in the opposite of angst driven, command driven, religion driven, thought driven, behavior measured "righteousness" or "spirituality".

A lion sits effortlessly and licks his paws, but he is a beast that could tear you limb form limb. His being is effortless.

Human beings are "taught" how to "be" with CONCEPTS. This teaching is LOVELESS conditioning, society PUPPET SHOW garbage.

This learning how to "be" is INGRAINED deeply into the soul, and combines with other natural phenomena to form the ego fear based identity.

A person is NOT a psychological entity. A person is the universe itself, BEING. A person cannot find their true nature (divinity) by ANY moralistic teaching.

It can only be found by effortless surrender in the very very depths of the being, which are COMPLETELY caked over by fear and lying and pretending and by the EASE with which the ego identity can carry on in the puppet show without ever being real or honest or loving.

A wisdom teaching can only inform the person as to what the person may find on their scuba dive into the depths of their own soul.

Ma'at, the divine Goddess, the universe itself, is the SOURCE. She is VERY angry and She is cooking. :original:

"Egypt, then, was seen to be nothing without Ma'at.

Ma'at was reality, the solid grounding of reality that made the Sun rise, the stars shine, the river flood and mankind think. The universe itself, all the world around them, was sacred in the ancient view. "Ethics" is an issue of human will and human permission. It is a function of the human world of duality. What is "ethical" for one group is sin for another. But Ma'at, the reality that made all groups what they are is transcendent of ethics, just as a rock or a flower is amoral, a-ethical, without "truth or falsehood." How can a flower be "false" or "ethical." It just is. How can the universe be "ethical or moral, right or wrong"? It simply is. That is Ma'at."

http://www.touregypt.net/godsofegypt/maat2.htm

greybeard

12-19-2009, 10:44 PM

Ma'at, the divine Goddess, the universe itself, is the SOURCE. She is VERY angry and She is cooking.

This is the basic diference between what you believe and I believe.

My belief is that LOVE created all. Call that God -- whatever.
Love is incapable of anger.

The oldest spiritual writing known to man, the Vedas Upanisheds, were written long before the Egypt worshiped Gods/Godess of whom there were many. Egyptians eventual came to believe in one Creator. Through a Pharoh.

The Vedas spoke of One Creator a LOVING ONE.
There has been a constant line of Avatars, Krishna etc all saying the same thing. One LOVE one Creator.

Who wants an angry Godess?

The New Testament portrays a loving God.

Anyway through free will everyone has the right to their own belief.

Thanks for starting this thread.

Chris

RedeZra

12-19-2009, 10:53 PM

I guess you guys forgot what I said, Jesus is a made up story. :original:

nope just didn't take it to heart

the boy Jesus spent 3 days at the temple in Jerusalem at age 12

astounding the teachers there with His understanding

when His parents finally find Him

He says

How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business? Luke 2:49 KJV

Luke 2:52 KJV
And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.

it is possible that His entanglement into mindmatter caused a temporary loss of recognition and that His identity was gradually revealed to Him

so that He should experience how it is to be a human - a Son of Man

perhaps at age 30 by the river Jordan His Divinity was fully revealed to Him

still He bore the form of a Man

And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said,
Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased. Luke 3:22 KJV

New Age Messiah

12-19-2009, 11:00 PM

Ma'at, the divine Goddess, the universe itself, is the SOURCE. She is VERY angry and She is cooking.

This is the basic diference between what you believe and I believe.

She told She is VERY angry, and She is cooking. So, that's not a belief. Beliefs are empty air. :original:

My belief is that LOVE created all. Call that God -- whatever. Love is incapable of anger.

She's VERY angry, regardless what you believe. Sorry.:original:

greybeard

12-19-2009, 11:15 PM

She told She is VERY angry, and She is cooking. So, that's not a belief. Beliefs are empty air. :original:

She's VERY angry, regardless what you believe. Sorry.:original:

I have no doubt your intention is good.
I have no doubt there are changes, which may be extreme, coming to our planet and therfore the people and all life on it.

Some of these are a part of a cycle. Tidal waves, earth changes all were happening before there were humans on the planet. They are therfore not caused ny anger.

All I can say is I have experienced the love of God directly--- not a belief.
It is not an emotion, it is unmistakable, unlike any earthly love.

I wouldent want an angry Godess because then there is no free will. Only fear.

Ie if you dont obey my will I will get very angry.

Regards chris

Ross H

12-19-2009, 11:22 PM

You speaks some wise words Greybeard.

Peace

14 Chakras

12-19-2009, 11:41 PM

Yes, the one story in the Gospels about Jesus between birth and the age of thirty is when he is twelve years old and his parents are happily on their way back home from the temple only to discover their son Jesus is not in the caravan... upon returning we find him as an upstart in the temple teaching the rabies a thing or two... then answering his parents in a rebelious tone when they are like "Jesus, what the heck are you doing, you disapeared and didn't even tell us where you are going"

I suggest however, this is not the story of a fully enlightened sage at 12 years old, rather the story of a rebellious boy on the search for truth already teaching before truly it is his time to teach.

The next time we here Jesus teach in the temples he is thirty years old, and once again he is a rebel but this time, they rabis are astounded by the power in his voice and cannot believe this is the son of Joseph and Mary ~ It appears that from 12 to 30 he did not exactly build up a reputation with them as being a powerful teacher and speaker.

I suggest much like it took many years for Jesus to achieve enlightenment, like he did at the river of Jordan, it is the same for each one of us. Search and ye shall find, ask and it shall be given for it is the Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

I suggest that many in this embodiment who choose to Be will also hear the Words that Jesus did: "Thou art my beloved Son/Daughter; in thee I am well pleased."

New Age Messiah

12-19-2009, 11:46 PM

All I can say is I have experienced the love of God directly--- not a belief. It is not an emotion, it is unmistakable, unlike any earthly love.

I wouldent want an angry Godess because then there is no free will. Only fear.

Ie if you dont obey my will I will get very angry.

Regards chris

She told me She's angry, so it's not a religious thing or anything, has nothing to do with belief. When a Goddess tells you She's angry, AFTER She orchestrated the greatest true story ever told, on your behalf, sort of...

LOVE is the essence, and I don't doubt that you have experienced it.

BUT, whether you want Her or not, She is.

And She is very angry.

How one philosophically views how God SHOULD be based on some THOUGHT...

The WRATH of God has never been disputed as far as I know in any religion.

She SHOULD be angry, look at the evil run amok trying to control creation with lies and manipulation and slaughter... threatening nuclear annihilation...

Don't get me wrong, I did NOT start out with a belief that God was female or that God even as a living thing existed.

I just believed NOTHING could be greater than Reality itself. And so I said, Reality is God....

My story proves it true beyond a reasonable doubt, except it's Goddess. :original:

Just like the Egyptians knew in their hearts, before the Romans conquered them, and whatnot.

Mother Nature is very angry and She is cooking. That should come as no surprise.

What She is cooking will be interesting to see... But it IS nice to know that SHE is taking matters into Her hands...

kriya

12-19-2009, 11:53 PM

:roftl::roftl: Jesus is a made up story.
.:roll1:

kriya

12-19-2009, 11:56 PM

DragonHunter

12-24-2009, 03:32 AM

I would just like to say first of all you are allowed to believe in whatever you want to believe and I'm sure everyone here, albeit grievously, takes that to heart when speaking to you, they have never once called your faith or beliefs immoral or in some cases unbelievable. And yet I see you calling christian beliefs, and telling people who believe in that in the most basic words, stupid. Now belief no matter what it is, brings in hope to the heart of man. His heart filled with hope breeds love and generosity. So in a sens every religion is right as long as its a positive feeling. What you say is that none are correct no matter what the solution is. I myself live with someone who is immensely spiritual, making everyone's life around him a better place just by being there. Would you call this man an idiot for not believing in your "Goddess"?

I'm not trying to be mean, or hurtful, Nor do I wish to start something. All I wish to do is to try to open you up, NAM, to something the whole world needs to feel before its too late. You said it yourself, That the only god, is your Goddess, wouldn't she want her creations to be happy? What does she care if they want to believe in something that you consider false? If it makes them happy shouldn't the goddess be happy for them as well?

This is my first post here, and I do wish it to be an informal one, I try my best to be nice, and polite. So please if I was offensive or came off strong please tell me :)

New Age Messiah

12-24-2009, 04:52 AM

I "believed" for ten years, and was fooled, and ultimately it twists your soul, if you try to make it true.

It was a fairly nice time of my life, it picked me up off a bad road, got me cleaned up, but my ultimate goal was truth and purification, and religion is neither.

Obviously, Christians, 99% have to agree with God that the vast majority of mankind deserves to burn in hell forever. There is nothing less polite that that.

That's the GROSS injustice and malevolence of people in all religions, it's the same thing, they profess all this stuff, and count themselves authoritative and try to implement their religious beliefs in a "nice" way, but in fact, underneath the facade of nice is a vile sick freak show set of beliefs.

But if you speak on that level, judge their religion, even remotely close to the way their religion judges you, anti-christ, devil, evil, going to hell... Then you are "impolite" you need to respect their belief that you are going to burn in hell forever..

The New Testament says almost everyone is destined to burn in hell with the devil forever. Jesus says remember your oil, or else, be ready in that hour or else, Annanais and Saphira are struck dead on the spot for one lie, but the message of God is forgiveness seven times seven.

Sorry, but the religion is nonsense on its face. It's just the way it is. They lure you in, like in any cult, and then they have you. You can't "fall away".

The religion has spent countless billions, probably trillions, in this decade alone...

There are probably a hundred thousand professional Christians, and lots more wannabe's spreading the word, in the USA alone.

Let one person, though, speak with authority and say it's a crock (it is) and they scream to the high heavens that their "faith" is under assault. Like when Jesse Ventura said something like that, the church went nuts.

The sanity of the world is perpetually under assault by religions and their weird doctrines.

If the Bible (NT) is true, the story is already written, and they win and have nothing to worry about. So from here on in, they can just sit it out and watch everyone go to hell forever.

WinterWolf

12-24-2009, 07:16 AM

How exactly did I miss this thread? Oh...probably because something told me opening this thread may cause me to quirk an eyebrow and say, "Wtf?" that little something was right. I did just that.

So now we have a new age messiah...what's next? O_o

Wondering Winter Wolf

New Age Messiah

12-24-2009, 08:26 PM

So now we have a new age messiah...what's next?

From your signature: "I am born of the stars. The stars were born of chaos. There shall always be chaos, but I shall always be warrior."

I'm the first person ever to observe the universe form the point of singularity in a black hole. AND it is the greatest true story ever told...

Talk about a star warrior, born out of chaos... :original:

McKenna said something about the singularity, around 2012...

And the feminine energy...

This isn't happening in a vacuum, although my soul was mostly a vacuum for about six years...:lol3:

WinterWolf

12-24-2009, 10:45 PM

From your signature: "I am born of the stars. The stars were born of chaos. There shall always be chaos, but I shall always be warrior."

I'm the first person ever to observe the universe form the point of singularity in a black hole. AND it is the greatest true story ever told...

Talk about a star warrior, born out of chaos... :original:

McKenna said something about the singularity, around 2012...

And the feminine energy...

This isn't happening in a vacuum, although my soul was mostly a vacuum for about six years...:lol3:

Curious...so you were a singularity inside a black hole observing the universe? How do you know you were the first?

Winter Wolf

New Age Messiah

12-24-2009, 11:06 PM

Curious...so you were a singularity inside a black hole observing the universe? How do you know you were the first?

Winter Wolf

Because I was helplessly deranged, and completely crippled, ZERO consciousness in my mind. There was no way out. Except I was on a mission in the first place, and I had faith.

No one could have made it, except someone on a mission, with an intention and whose intention was fulfilled, and there had to be a light at the end of the tunnel.

It was EXCRUCIATING life or death agony for six years plus, 24x7. Not to mention the surrounding life circumstances were one of a kind in history bad, and wrong and unjust and heartbreaking to the EXTREME.

Everything was to the extremest extreme, every second, there was no let up, it was 100% torture on every level, 24x7 for six plus years, maybe 7. NO exaggeration.

I went form being a deranged madman, to now I am pretty much a quiet gentle saint, any second I'll be enlightened, and when the whole story unfolds, for what it really is (it does require a fair attention span to grasp) the story travels around the world in the accelerated 2012 evolution of consciousness whirlwind thing, and religion either ends or has no reason to still exist.

But yeah, it was a black hole. And yeah, 100% we are the universe, and everything you see out there can happen in here...

BROOK

12-24-2009, 11:09 PM

New Age Messiah

12-24-2009, 11:12 PM

Also, I had to know that Reality is God, if I wouldn't have known that and accepted the torture, the torment as God working in love, NO WAY, off a bridge immediately, or on meds, drugged into oblivion.

I knew I was right.

I was right about pretty much everything, that an ego soul could have an opinion about...

It's part of why She chose me I guess.

WinterWolf

12-25-2009, 12:09 AM

So basically you
are saying you were a rudderless ship that was meandering, possibly floundering inside this "black hole" or religion.

Personally I sort of thnk religion was created by man to help them through the dark times where living seemed hopeless. This concept of worshipping whatever a person happens to believe in allows the gathering of souls together to form a union that would make them stronger together than alone.

This union of people then allowed them to continue their struggle to face another day knowing their fellow is also struggling.

Did humanity's need for something more create the super consciousness or did the super consciousness create us? I liken this question to the chicken or the egg question.

Questions, questions, questions. Endless questions and each fascinating and provoking in some manner.

Yes I digress...:D

Winter Wolf

New Age Messiah

12-25-2009, 12:22 AM

So basically you
are saying you were a rudderless ship that was meandering, possibly floundering inside this "black hole" or religion.

No, I was a world travelled highly educated tri-lingual atheletic good guy, three kids, family, house, etc. But not enlightened, and not able to accomplish my highest ideals...

So I declared a mission to go into the depths to find something new.

I threw my soul at the world, sacrificed myself...

"Reality is God, when you pretend or lie, you cease to exist you die," was my motto.

http://www.lookyourheartinthemirror.com/synchronicity.html

The story is there, it's a Reader's Digest abbreviated version; there are stories within the story, and I haven't updated it for almost a year, so it's not a finished product, but it's unbelievably miraculous in an undeniably mega spiritual way...

Personally I sort of thnk religion was created by man to help them through the dark times where living seemed hopeless. This concept of worshipping whatever a person happens to believe in allows the gathering of souls together to form a union that would make them stronger together than alone.

This union of people then allowed them to continue their struggle to face another day knowing their fellow is also struggling.

Did humanity's need for something more create the super consciousness or did the super consciousness create us? I liken this question to the chicken or the egg question.

Questions, questions, questions. Endless questions and each fascinating and provoking in some manner.

Yes I digress...:D

Winter Wolf

Yeah, I think the main thing that I want to emphasize, for now, is that our behavior is innate, it's not learned, and we try to teach people how to behave, and it ends up repressing them.

That's oversimplified, but animals know spiritual truth and so do small children. It can't be contained inside concepts, and religion always tries to contain Reality inside concepts, God as well...

Commands and stuff are stupid.

carriblu

12-25-2009, 12:43 AM

New Age Messiah

12-25-2009, 01:31 AM

New Age Messiah, can you talk about how terrence mckenna fits into all this? also what do you specifically believe will happen in 2012? have you listened to george kavassilas? if not and are interested, check out his grand deception videos not his earlier stuff- I feel like it ties in with you.
(sorry for the earlier posts i was just thrown off by you calling yourself messiah)

I love the motto "god is reality, when you pretend or lie, you die"

i spent about a year studying terrence mckenna's ideas, listening to his talks over and over again

In 2012, or sometime in that vicinity... I don't know.

But I think LYHITM is way too radical to be a short term fix for one person.

The Goddess gave me signs. Iran, Pakistan and Israel... Iran (Ahmadinejad) is evil and Pakistan is the dagger and Israel is the appendix.

How that plays out, I don't know, but that's the way to view the middle east crisis right now. The poisonous ideas about God, ordering genocide and animal slaughter, etc. need to be removed, the appendix will burst if Israel doesn't give up its "chosen" status, and if the Islamic people don't drop their insane religion, the entire middle east will likely turn to ash and nuclear holocaust.

My story, I guess, gives them a last chance, maybe???? And we all come under one unifying spiritual message....

I think She's got it all under Her control. She made unfathomable stuff come together, so far beyond the realm of possibility to be by chance...

She's omnipotent and omniscient, She is very angry, and She's cooking.

That you can be sure of. :original:

Earth changes seem like a proven fact. I think much of the land that is now nearly worthless, taken from and then given back to native Americans will become rich and fertile. :original:

As far as McKenna, I think he thought the world was going to end, but I didn't go way into his writings. I think the singularity he spoke of was particularly the absolute proof that we are the universe, that Reality is God, that we all are simultaneously the same living thing, boom...

And tying in with the feminine aspect, is actually what my story proves...

Reality is Goddess. Ma'at of Egypt, the Universe, Reality...

I'll read the guy what you referenced in your post. I haven't yet.

carriblu

12-25-2009, 02:04 AM

george kavassilas talks about the symbol with the circle in the triangle (from your story), and he also describes the emergence of the divine feminine as the balancing force for earth in 2012. he identifies with the teachings of jesus but is constantly emphasising the use discretion and how corrupt the church is and how everything has been warped, like you talk about. again, dont go for his earliest talk, go fo either "the grand deception" or "2012 and the divine feminine birthing of a new consciousness "

edit: the more i read your story the more i think you will identify with george

New Age Messiah

12-25-2009, 02:17 AM

edit: the more i read your story the more i think you will identify with george

The triangle around the circle is feminine, softened, curved. :original:

The mirror represents non-conceptual awareness, innocent.

Also, the entire universe is mirrored, left right, eyes, nostrils, arms, legs, brain hemispheres, etc.

So, it kind of sums everything up. :original:

Thanks for that reference, I never heard of the guy.

The wankel engine is similar to the heart, in function, according to a spiritual scientest, and lo and behold, the pendant is shaped like a Wankel. :original:

I made 500 with my hands out of clay, and when I saw that shape, it was like BINGO. That shape holds ALL of the energies that I wanted to express!!!

It was an instantaneous absolute recognition.

I had ZERO clue about spiritual symbols at that point.

Everything in the story comes from nothing and is absolutely new.

The hodge podge blur the lines "coexist" type stuff is NOT possible.

It all has to be transcended. And that's what my intention was, to transend/replace everything that existed, with something new. :original:

New Age Messiah

12-25-2009, 03:15 AM

http://www.lookyourheartinthemirror.com/uploads/2/6/9/5/2695579/7200059.jpg

This drawing, I did this, and typically, I can't draw.

It's a heart in a mirror, animated by nature.

The eyes were not a bird and a fish at first, it was just eyes.

Spirit is everywhere, all seeing everything...

There is SO much truth just in this little drawing, and I drew the whole thing intuitively, and I DID NOT draw a bird and a fish, I drew two eyes, and then put enclosures on them.

It all just happened from intuitive spiritual type leading.

Plus, I wanted to try putting an image in a post. :original:

Northern Boy

12-25-2009, 03:25 AM

Look at the world today, the crazy weather patterns and natural disasters... do you really think that is Mother (NATURE) showing her LOVE for us her children???

I think it's like hearing mom in the other room, can't see her but you can tell she's ****** as hell...

Yup and its all our fault like we had as ay in how many mines were opened how many chemical plants got built next to lakes rivers and streams and which forests were clear cut or burnt out . I`m the guy who planned all the pollution . For christ sakes 371 we have been decieved our whole friggen lives and now when many are coming to the realization of it AND TRYING TO UNDERSTAND IT ITS SUPPOSED TO BE ALL OUR FAULTS . mean while you drive a car polluting the air AND BUY THE SAME THINGS as everyone else your ok ............. be the hypocrite if you want but your as guilty as the next guy

SiriArc

12-25-2009, 09:18 AM

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=4106

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?pid=66277#p66277 #41

New Age Messiah

12-25-2009, 09:24 AM

http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=4106

Cool, your avatar is the symbol of Isis, is that right???

And yeah, She didn't say her name, She didn't say She was a Goddess, She didn't invoke fear or assert any kind of power over me...

She was just there.

Worship is the greatest human stupidity.

371

12-25-2009, 04:58 PM

Worship is the greatest human stupidity.

NOPE!

Arrogance is the greatest human stupidity, methinks...

New Age Messiah

12-25-2009, 06:39 PM

NOPE!

Arrogance is the greatest human stupidity, methinks...

Like the little boy that said the emperor isn't wearing any clothes...

How dare he? :original:

Moxie

12-25-2009, 09:02 PM

Moxie

12-25-2009, 09:03 PM

okay, now I see the thread title has its name changed....

New Age Messiah

12-25-2009, 09:35 PM

Worship has its meaning as
worth-ship
the state of worth

If worship is not necessary (your thread title), please explain the word Messiah (in your title), which means "annointed" (Hebrew word mashiyach {maw-shee'-akh})...

How might you justify the title of this thread with your title:
New Age Messiah? Is it not about "worth"?

On the most basic level, the idea of New Age and Messiah imply NEW and the sacrificial element to bring in the NEW.

OUT with the old, in with the new.

I made the sacrifice, for the right reason, with the right intention, from the heart. I didn't sacrifice an animal, or a virgin, or my money, or my time, I sacrificed myself and my life, in FAITH, and She accepted my sacrifice.

No one told me, "Go into the depths to find something new". I didn't copy anyone. I didn't get a degree or follow any ten step program, and I didn't listen to anybody else, no matter what they said. I never once worshipped anything or anyone.

Worship is "sending energy to God" who is "somehwere".

ALL energy comes from God, and is in fact, God.

There is NO path to send it back. It's a one way street.

You have to block the energy, divert its natural path, and corrupt it, to "send it back". It's like putting a mirror in the sunlight, to send back the light. Kinda dumb.

When you worship, you're not sending anything to God.

You're doing what the priests and the religious books told you to do. :original: