If New Age is evil deception, what is the alternative?

[14 Chakras]

What is the alternative to New Age?

For those who claim anything "New Age" is "deception" / Evil etc.

What is proposed as the alternative?

I would think the alternative is "Old Age"? Business as usual? Nothing changes we just keep being victimized for eternity until we destroy ourselves?

The promise of a New Age, is a New Era when humanity lives abundantly based on the principles of Unconditional Love rather than suffers greatly under the principles of an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.

Is that an evil, deceptive thought?

What exactly is the alternative that is so great compared to seeing that what is coming is a "New Earth", city foursquare / New Age comes to Earth as prophesised in the "Holy Bible"?

Please help me out here so I can understand what the other option is if, as it appears some believe, New Age is evil deception designed to trap people into worshiping Lucifer and sacrificing babies by believing that we are here to help co-create a better world for everyone and connecting with love in our hearts ~

Gratitude

[Leunamros]

The alternative is to encourage people to be themselves and encourage people to be human. There is no other to win.

[kriya]

What is the alternative to New Age?


Please help me out here so I can understand what the other option is if New Age is evil deception designed to trap people into worshiping Lucifer and sacrificing babies by believing that we are here to help co-create a better world for everyone ~

Gratitude


Have you been talking to Christian Fundementalists? People who say things like that are just trying to distract you......Keep on Keeping on...........

Go within and there you will find all your answers:original:

Love,

Kriya

[14 Chakras]

Just putting the question out to the forum as I see post every now and then stating that any thought that a "New Age" is coming is devil or whatnot.

So I'm just trying to understand, what do those who believe such things believe is evil about seeing that humanity can co-create a much better world when we get our stuff worked out, which, when compared to the suffering we experience collectively now, could be termed a New Age, a Golden Age.

I'm just curious what they think is all.

[Matt Enlight]

What is the alternative to New Age?

For those who claim anything "New Age" is "deception" / Evil etc.

What is proposed as the alternative?


Gratitude

Maybe just living in the NOW. As simple as that. Maybe we are send here on the Earth to deal only with phisical plane and live simple phisical life.

[Stardustaquarion]

I explored for many years alternatives to "business as usual" and traditional religions, I explored Gnostisism, New Age, Crystal Healing, but never quite get the answers I was looking for until I found Keylonic Sciences. What I like the most about it is that everything has an explanation, nobody tells you to trust them, indeed they encourage to be your own teacher, your free will is respected and is synocratic (it means everyone is equal) :)

Some definitions and links

"Keylontic Science is the Sacred Teachings of The Law of One, being returned to the Angelic/Human Race at this most important time in the evolution of the Race and Planet. The principles of Keylontic Science are Ascension Teachings of the Mechanics of Creation and the dynamics of Merkabas. The Kathara Bio-Spiritual Healing System™ is an intricate part of the teachings of Keylontic Science. Kathara is Ka= Light, Tha = Sound, Ra = ONE-Spirit" taken from http://www.krystalspiral.com/

You can also look at http://www.azuritepress.com/techniques/attitudes_responsibilities.htm

Love

[Anchor]

of course people are "resonating" with the information.. because it is designed to make one feel powerful and in control.. to be as God.. but as each day passes that one practices this delusion.. they become less and less able to distinguish truth from fiction (which is blatantly apparent from what i see) and they become more and more separated from the God that created them and loves them..

Resonance is a process that is involved in communication.

When I utter words I make sound waves. By the process of resonance your ears convert those waves to impulses to be decoded by your brain and inform your mind of my words.

Spiritually speaking the "new age" (yuk) "resonance" is similar but the substance is different. Yes it can go wrong - this is where discernment comes in.

Audio resonance, Mental resonance or spiritual resonance are not things that make you feel powerful or in control. They are things, phenomena and they have their uses.

What I don't get is why people find this so hard to understand.

A..

[14 Chakras]

Yes the Now.

However, many would say any talk of consciousness, meditation or the Now is New Age, and therefore a religion and therefore a deception.

Right C76?

Love, mediation, consciousness, Now, connecting to the "father within", believing Jesus words that "we can do the works that he did only greater works than these we can do", these are all New Age deceptions and part of a deceptive new age religion according to your beliefs?

Also, Jesus words "The kingdom of heaven is inside of you" and "the truth will set you free". Also deception right?

What is the New Age religion? How do you join it? Who are the leaders? What does it take to be a part of the religion?

Trying to understand the view point here.

[beren]

Resonance is a process that is involved in communication.

When I utter words I make sound waves. By the process of resonance your ears convert those waves to impulses to be decoded by your brain and inform your mind of my words.

Spiritually speaking the "new age" (yuk) "resonance" is similar but the substance is different. Yes it can go wrong - this is where discernment comes in.

Audio resonance, Mental resonance or spiritual resonance are not things that make you feel powerful or in control. They are things, phenomena and they have their uses.

What I don't get is why people find this so hard to understand.

A..


Because Anchor, huge majority lives automaticly.
They search a bit and as soon as they feel " safe" they turn on autopilot :sad:

It is sad because that is exactly what con men wants us to do! To live on autopilot while they take care of our life, love,wisdom,spirituality and other things...Oh by the way they need our MONEY too:naughty:

[14 Chakras]

C76 quote "but the prerequisite to that is to acknowledge that we're not gods"

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Psalm 82:6 - I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Jesus Christ John 10:34 - I said, Ye are gods

Gen 1:26 And the Elohim said, Let us make man in our image after our likeness

Gen 1:27 So the Elohim created man in his own image, in the image of the Elohim created he him


Now the reality is that our egos are not gods, but our true nature in Oneness is indeed individualization's of the One, Co-Creators, and as Jesus Christ said: ye are Gods.

As Paul said: I die daily. I try and do good, but the carnal mind does the other.

I suggest Paul is indeed talking about overcoming the ego, dieing the death of the ego, to be REBORN as Jesus constantly spoke of, reborn in Oneness, I and my Father are One.

Is this New Age? This is the bible. This is Christ message.

You must Be reborn to inherit the Kingdom of Heaven that is inside of you you, at hand, here and Now.

When you let the father within YOU do the work, you will do greater works that Jesus did because Jesus has Ascended to the spiritual realm, and you are here Now to walk in his footsteps and claim your own Christhood as he wanted you to do.

Or, we can remain the victim, remain the carnal mind, remain the dead burying the dead. We can affirm our separation from God, affirm we are the worthless human, the sinner etc. This is our option, but we face a critical time, evolve or die.

Luke 17:33 Seek to save our lives [current way of doing things / ego / old age] and we will lose them, seek to lose our lives [carnal mind, ego, old age / ways of doing things] for my sake [Christ consciousness, New Earth / New ways of doing things] and we will save them.

I suggest free will is the name of the game and those who choose to BE will BE. ;)

[beren]

i understand exactly what you are saying.. i have knowledge of it and agree.. but my point is that people are running around trying to conduct their life on intuition and vibes.. but they don't even understand it in the first place..

there's always a true form and a false form in every paradigm.. the way to enlightenment is not to see everything in vibes, light and mental images.. that's the "product" of enlightenment.. not the path... to "become" enlightened ie: that is to have more wisdom and sharper discernment.. one must settle for some straight out logic and realism.. and i can only speak for myself.. but the prerequisite to that is to acknowledge that we're not gods..

we can be as Jesus Christ himself.. if we will just humble ourselves and stop trying to play God.. yet i will say also that i do believe that some people in this world (who believe themselves to be enlightened through deception, while not acknowledging God) do sometimes demonstrate amazing abilities.. but that source is just evil breadcrumbs provided to lure more people into the oven.. that's juts my take..


Exactly!

people are led to believe that they are gods and creators. In the end they ARE gods and creators but in this reality NOW we are NOT that! Simply we DO NOT KNOW maaaaany things.

Can you,say, create anything here? Well except to make your wife pregnant :lol3:

Can you wield any power that Jesus did?
Can you resurrect dead?
CAn you liberate people from demon ensavement?
Can you feed the hungry?
Can you heal sick?

Can anyone on this wordl do anything of that?
I do not think so. However we are heading towards that future, one step at the time.

14 I understand you completelly but that is what it is.

Remeber the story from Genesis?

Serpent asked woman :" What God told you- we should not eat from the tree or we will die, NO, you will NOT die, your eyes will be OPEN and you will be like GOD ...
Result?
Adam-dead
Eve-dead
Thier children-dead
Their future offspring-innherited non perfection.



Adam and Eve would slowly but surely be taought everythin and will be as God, since they were perfect ,they would live forever...But since they were fooled to think that they KNOW ,when they are not knowing yet, they died.

Then Jesus came and brought back that possibility for humans , to fulfill all that first man failed.
WE will fulfill that ,one step at the time.

Claiming now that we are GODS in this ignorant stage of humanity is simply wrong and dangerous...

[beren]

I suggest free will is the name of the game and those who choose to BE will BE.

Exactly! :thumb_yello:

[Anchor]

What is the alternative to New Age?

I have an alternative:

Don't be anything that is called anything.

Don't express 'isms of any kind.

Just be here now.

A..

[14 Chakras]

What amazes me more than anything is how supposed "Christians" simply do not follow nor it appears even bother to read Jesus words.

"We cannot really understand what they mean", therefore, I choose to worship him rather than actually follow what he said.

So much so, that if someone does choose to follow the Words of Jesus rather than the outer belief system that turned him into the golden calf to be worshiped, they say:

I will claim they are demons, mislead, and I will personally persecute the Living Christs in them.

HOW DARE THEY CLAIM THEY CAN CONNECT TO THE FATHER WITHIN THEMSELVES? HOW DARE THEY FOLLOW JESUS RATHER THAN WORSHIP HIM HANGING ON THAT CROSS? WHO DO THEY THINK THEY ARE? SONS OR DAUGHTERS OF GOD? HOW DARE THEY! I CHOOSE THIS DAY TO PUT ANOTHER NAIL IN THE HANDS OF THE CHRIST THAT IS BEING BORN IN THAT PERSON. HOW DARE THEY CLAIM THAT GOD IS HERE NOW, GOD IS ONLY THERE WHEN YOU DIE, GOD DOES NOT EXIST HERE, AND I WILL PERSONALLY PERSECUTE THE CHRIST IN EVERY LAST "NEW AGER' WHO CONNECTS TO THE CHRIST WITHIN THEMSELVES.

To me, this is what Christians are saying when they directly contradict Jesus message and words with their own ignorance. They follow in the footsteps of the scribes and the pharisees who persecuted the Living Christ. They are the inadvertent prison guards of the matrix making sure the Children of God that are trapped here remain trapped. Throughout the ages they have persecuted the saints and sages. They have persecuted Christ within themselves because they refuse to listen to the Living Word in their heart, rather out of fear they bury their talents in the ground worshiping the dead word in a book. Expecting somehow outer salvation comes without Self realization.

Black is white, up is down and God doesn't live here is what the Matrix would have us believe.


r

[Stardustaquarion]

Christianity as we know it today is not real Krystianity, the book know as the Bible is a concoction created by the Nicaea council in the 3rd century AD. Whether one thinks this is the word of god is a personal thing, but no one has explained why so many Essene accounts were left out and why there are many contradictions within the book itself, which does not make sense

The Dora Teura Plates, talk of 3 men, Jeshewa12 who did not died or was crucified, he ascended; Jeshewa9 who was a Hykso and migrated to France with Mary Magdalen and Hiram Habib (I may have this name wrong) who was crucified but he was no Kryst

Earth history by Anna Hayes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DaSNU-xZ4UQ

this is the link to one of the videos, there are 39 in total

Love

[beren]

To me, this is what Christians are saying when they directly contradict Jesus message and words with their own ignorance. They follow in the footsteps of the scribes and the pharisees who persecuted the Living Christ. They are the inadvertent prison guards of the matrix making sure the Children of God that are trapped here remain trapped. Throughout the ages they have persecuted the saints and sages. They have persecuted Christ within themselves because they refuse to listen to the Living Word in their heart, rather out of fear they bury their talents in the ground worshiping the dead word in a book. Expecting somehow outer salvation comes without Self realization.

14,
Imagine the surpize when they realize that very Christ condemns them on his arrival back with words -I never knew you.depart from me you that are doing iniquity-

Christ showed us the father. But we did not like the father since he is pure love and light and brights over us and showing the world who we are on this planet.
People are not liking that, they like their mire and dirt on their souls...

[Anchor]

lol - straight back to the religious debate :)

Be fair, this one started that way.

It isn't actually a problem to have them, it is the way in which they seem to be getting done that is the problem.

A..

[mudra]

He is free who does'nt get stuck in a point of view.
Nothing to defend oneself against or to resist .
This is how we can dance as One with the flow of the Creator
for Love just is and has no bounderies.
All we have is Now.

Love from me
mudra

[kriya]

HOW DARE THEY CLAIM THEY CAN CONNECT TO THE FATHER WITHIN THEMSELVES?
r


Which is exactly what the term to be reborn means.......

Frankly it irritates me when I hear people banging on about how this or that resonates with them etc... because it just seems so....well new age actually. Words without meaning or substance. Those who know keep silent.

[beren]

"It isn't about using discernment. It is about using extreme discernment."

That is Anchor´s signature. Very wise one.
New age seem nice but as c76 said they have no foundations ,hence they borrow various concepts and create new one and voila!

Just as religions usurped right to declare THEIR vision of God by force on others.

Religion hijacked Christ´s words , new age too aswell as from other teachings.
I think we need to indenitfy this cunning serpent doing cherry picking and enslaving people on the globe.

Since it is slimy it is extremely hard to catch it and bond it or throw it off our lives.


I do not care abour religion, new age or other SAME forms of slavery, I care of truth.

Again Anchor´s signature:

"It isn't about using discernment. It is about using extreme discernment."

[Majorion]

it appears some believe, New Age is evil deception designed to trap people into worshiping Lucifer and sacrificing babies by believing that we are here to help co-create a better world for everyone and connecting with love in our hearts

Like I always say, it depends on how exactly one defines New Age.

And like any of set of belief systems, you'll have the positive stuff with regards to the message, and you'll also have the negative stuff.

If you take to heart the positive and key aspects and try to learn from that, I think you're spiritually developing in the right way, but if you take it to the extent that you're a God or something egotistic of that nature, then No, you are not spiritually evolving.

This is simply an opinion of a person who is not in the least bit religious.

Peace,

[Malletzky]

kriya;202874...
Frankly it irritates me when I hear people banging on about how this or that resonates with them etc... because it just seems so...well new age actually. Words without meaning or substance[/COLOR]. [B][COLOR="Orange"]Those who know keep silent.


I'm I a new ager automaticly as soon as I understand my feelings? Are we not allowed to feel and resonate with something?

Or let me ask you this way...Love is also a feeling...and YOU resonate with this feeling when you think about your parents, children, etc....Are you automaticly a new ager?

Allow me to answer directly...NO you're not, you're just expressing your feelings, nothing more and nothing less.


It's like a stamping the whole humanity, for the last (at least 6.000 years) as being new agers!

Please remember that our feelings makes us what we really are...!

About beeing silent...this is exactly why we're in this situation as we are (we as humans)! Actually, if the one who know step forward and tell what they know, we would be able to learn much smoother and faster that we do now.

I guess, the biggest problem here is, that they will be stamped as new agers as soon as they open their mouth. Maybe this is why they remain silent!

14C...I like the way you titled this thread...I know that you intend to find a sollution to the problem of duality...but as soon as we discuss about something being evil and something being good, we're back on the track of duality again.

Me pesonaly, I accept everything, really everything, begining from the bible and ending with some unproved, channeled messages. My only approcah is to educate myself from all presented material, with an enlightenment as a final goal. If I would only left one source by side, just because I've stamped this as being evil...I will never be able to find the absolute truth.

The only thing I do pay attention while learning is...is to "feel" the accuracy of the presented...

Which, once again, brings us back to the feelings as the strongest indicator in the process of finding the truth.

And this is my proposal as a solution! FEEL! FEEL! FEEL the love that is burried inside of your being...and learn the truth about yourself!

P.S. By the way, I don't consider my self being a new ager...I don't consider my self of being anything...but just as a soul on the way back to the source...

with :wub2: :wub2::wub2: and respect
malletzky

[ewhite]

I feel that the term "new age" is a tad derogatory in nature, new age is actually "old age" before TPTB decided what and how people should worship.

If you strip away all the dogma of any major religion you see a common thread, and that thread is LOVE.

Unfortunately for millions the message of love is obscured by the requirement of the ego to prove that ones creator is the only true creator.

[Malletzky]

...one of the very reasons that I feel ADAMANT that the new age movement is satanic, is because the movement in generate literally "hates" many messages that can be found in the Bible..


May I ask you a sincere question? And you answer sincere too?

Does the fact that I feel, think and live different that you makes me satanic too? Does the fact that I really rely on many wisdoms which can be find in the bible, but I'm open to something eventually new, also makes me satanic?

I'm just curios...

[greybeard]

Nothing is good nor bad till thinking makes it so.
Think:mfr_lol: Shakespeare said that.

Dont think there is really a definative description of what newage is.

For myself I trust what Jesus Krishna the Budahh said.
No self no problem.
Concepts, conditioning, the works.
When all these are let go of what are you left with?
The pure self.
The pure self dosent create difficulties for self or others, it lives with others nature and life in harmony.

The moment we call ourselves somthing ie New age, Christian, Spiritual, Athiest, in fact any label we create division.
Its ok to practise any faith or non faith, thats a function, and should be honoured, its not who we are though.

Identification with anything other than self is an illusion and leads to division and therfore judgment. I am right therfore you are wrong.
Division has caused all of the wars strife trouble in the world.

If a so called new ager says our lot will lead you to peace and harmony then automatically there will be others who disagree.
Disagreement is ok-- being disagreeable is somthing else.
If we dont buy into/ identify with the group concept then we can proceed harmoniously.
No group on its own can bring peace and harmony or we would have it by now.
We have to go back to a time ( not literalily) before the apple on the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Judging others seems to me to be the problem.
The enlightened ones are in a state of oneness, non-duality they know.

Chris

[Malletzky]

...The enlightened ones are in a state of oneness, non-duality they know.

Chris

And this is also a sollution too...a real alternative approach. Thanks greybeard for this great reminder !!

malletzky

[Majorion]

i agree wholeheartedly that the new age movement was injected into society by TPTB

Then you'd also have to agree that religion was also injected into societies by those same PTB.

I don't think this is the case.

Quite the opposite, I believe that nearly all religions, cults, etc. started out with a good message, a very basic easy-to-understand and concise message.

Then, the PTB/darkside infiltrates those religions and cults, and they change the original message, through distortion, through "creating rules", threats", "warnings", creeds, and orders.

And when a simple message is obscured a million meanings, this creates division, and division creates conflict, an ongoing conflict that has resulted in the death of countless millions.

The original message always seems to be the same, you look for what all religions had in common, whether New Age or Old Age, and you find it is simply a reminder, to live your life with integrity, love your family, love your neighbors, stay away from negativity and evil, and that there is an afterlife of eternal higher existence of some sort, depending on spiritual growth.

Peace,

[ewhite]

i agree wholeheartedly that the new age movement was injected into society by TPTB.. as is all religious dogma.. and as a matter of fact.. just about every popular consensus that filters into the world.. i don't think people realize exactly how malleable they are, not only as a society but as individuals.


Exactly, so it is up to you to make your own path, if the Christian Bible is the only tool you need to make that path I am honestly envious. Others feel they need more than that, lets say a macro view of spirituality. Personally I need to connect the dots back to the source. This means that I have taken the time to read the Quran and any Gnostic, Egyptian, etc. scripture I can get my hands on. Which by the way is blasphemous in the eyes of my Protestant family, to use a word which you like "satanic". Why is this? Why do followers of any particular faith pigeon hole themselves into the dogma of that one faith?

I understand your points, I really do. These same points have been drilled into me by my family for 20 years. BUT if the outcome of ones faith or spirituality in the end leads to the same outcome as your own, why label it? Why use terms like "satanic" and "evil"? If the outcome is LOVE, why does it matter what path one took?

[Malletzky]

c76...but how does that goes...saying that an "entity" (movement) is satanic...but the "subentities" (the people behind this movement) are not?

Who makes the "entity" being satanic? Who else then these sincere people like us who just decided to take another path then we did?

btw...I prety much understand what you say...I appreciate your concerns to tell me your truth...but thanks...I have to pass. My perceptions are my perceptions...and I hope you accept that our perceptions are different. (Mostly because of the feeling that I've probably been where you're now)

Sorry.

malletzky

[ewhite]

i have researched everything you've mentioned and above.. i could show you a website that i have built which has over 200 topics (all of which i have researched and am knowledgeable of).. but i do not want my actual identity revealed ion this forum at this time.

my point is that you do not know who i am, what i know or how i know it. you do not know what i have researched or studied. i just want to tell you that i have researched all of those things also.. (and more).. and i have found truth in much of it.. but i must add that if it weren't for the knowledge that I gained from the Bible and prayer, i sincerely do not believe I'd have understood things as I do.

I am sorry I generalized you brother. That was not my intention, I appreciate your view, I really do. My only point is your 'testimony' will never be the same as anyone else's. It is up to the individual to find their own 'testimony.'

[Malletzky]

1. Are the fish of a polluted lake evil?

This is one response I respect for the fact that you have clearly outlined your position -- as opposed to posting sarcasm and ridicule (with 50 buddies). Well done on that front.

2. As for the assertion that you do not find value in what I say.. I have no control over that.. and I wont chase you up the street with a Bible (promise).. the way I see things, people either want to hear something or they don't. and that's the way life goes..


1. We could remain philosophicaly here...so who poluted the lake?

2. You don't need to chase me, I won't try to run away :original:...as I've read the bible myself and I still do believe in Jesus as the one which wisdoms should be followed...so that subject is not that sustrained to me.

[Céline]

Most labels are give to you by others...

First and foremost i am Terran...secondly i am woman...

Any title beyond that is given to me through other peoples perception of their relationship with me.

Wife, Mother , Friend...



When a label is given to you by another ask yourself what it is about them, that allows them to see you int hat manner.

To answer your threads question....

New age, cannot in an of itself be evil... though humans may use it in an evil (or unproductive) way.... alternative?

Love.

:wub2:

[Malletzky]

you're after a stoush and i wont have anything to do with it. this forum has had enough of it lately.

???????? Sorry ???????

[Majorion]

this is the primary reason I canot stand the new age movement.. it is all about taking God out of the picture..

IMO, its not taking God out of the picture. Sure, maybe you don't hear people uttering the word; God, which after all is just a call name. It doesn't matter what we call it, its been agreed that this higher power/force exists, not only externally, but within us as well.

New Age is simply a different perception of God than with organized religion.

Another facet is whom exactly you consider your own supreme being. Some people consider that person Jesus, others are convinced the only real God is the creator of the universe, and there are other figures worshiped as Gods. The point being; we can all agree that there is something/someone much bigger than and encompassing ourselves, and within ourselves is a tremendous force called spirit, which is energy. New Age have simply redefined the 'spirit' or 'soul' into modern terms.

Regards,

[Scarab]

~~~~~~~

Psalm 82:6 - I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

Jesus Christ John 10:34 - I said, Ye are gods

Gen 1:26 And the Elohim said, Let us make man in our image after our likeness

Gen 1:27 So the Elohim created man in his own image, in the image of the Elohim created he him




OK...I'm going to tackle this with my OPINION. So please don't crucify me :).

First, I think it's dishonest for people to take a few passages from the Bible and use them to justify why they shouldn't follow the words of the Bible in it's entirety. ONE common theme running throughout the book is humility and abiding by GOD's will.

Even Jesus prayed and asked for the strength to do GOD's will and not his own (Mark 14:36)

As for the passages themselves...

The quote from John is incomplete and out of context. If you read the entire passage, you'll see Jesus was calling them out on their duplicity, not telling them they are GOD. I can also imagine he may have been mocking them a bit too for thinking they were GOD because of a single verse in a Psalm which probably wasn't directed toward them.

As for the Genesis passages, it says we were created in His IMAGE or LIKENESS. To me that means our physical form is more or less like His. It goes on to say repeatedly that there is ONE GOD and only ONE GOD all throughout the Bible.

JUST MY OPINIONS

[Stardustaquarion]

The biggest deception of the Bible is that introduces the idea that God is out there and we are sinners that do not deserve to be alive....paradoxically we could not be alive if we were not conected to our own divinity from within, therefore even being a small part of the creator or all oneness we are god because a part of god does not stop being god just because it is small

Even the fallen angelics are within the body of god because nothing has been created outside (they are like a virus though)

We can feed the hungry etc, if we put our hard heads to manifest abundance with the god given power of thougt; the problem is that we don't, we spend all our time worrying, fighting and fearing and that is exactly what is being promoted, divide and conquer...

We don't have to workship anything but commune with the god within that we already are now in this moment and forever

Just so it is clear the CDT plates are 5.5 million years old...any other book seems to have been written yesterday

Cheers

[Céline]

OK...I'm going to tackle this with my OPINION. So please don't crucify me :).

i would never put someone down for their opinion. i thrive on the views and perceptions of others to help mold my own views on various subject. i thank you for sharing your points of view.

First, I think it's dishonest for people to take a few passages from the Bible and use them to justify why they shouldn't follow the words of the Bible in it's entirety. ONE common theme running throughout the book is humility and abiding by GOD's will.

Dishonest? Hmm perhaps i am being nit picky, but i disagree with that term... it may be incomplete ?

Even Jesus prayed and asked for the strength to do GOD's will and not his own (Mark 14:36)



As for the passages themselves...

The quote from John is incomplete and out of context. If you read the entire passage, you'll see Jesus was calling them out on their duplicity, not telling them they are GOD. I can also imagine he may have been mocking them a bit too for thinking they were GOD because of a single verse in a Psalm which probably wasn't directed toward them.

i have heard so many varying interpretations of this and many other quotes...sometimes it is dizzying...

As for the Genesis passages, it says we were created in His IMAGE or LIKENESS. To me that means our physical form is more or less like His. It goes on to say repeatedly that there is ONE GOD and only ONE GOD all throughout the Bible.

Creation, to me, is more then just physical form

JUST MY OPINIONS

IMHO

My thoughts are quite biased....first of all as a Woman, i find immediate offense with being the bearer of "original sin" , though i understand there may be a variety of different takes on that burden...it is enough to be a "Deal breaker" for me...

i find it difficult to take seriously the words of Man..or God...when they degrade or disrespect anyone.

[Scarab]

IMHO

My thoughts are quite biased....first of all as a Woman, i find immediate offense with being the bearer of "original sin" , though i understand there may be a variety of different takes on that burden...it is enough to be a "Deal breaker" for me...

i find it difficult to take seriously the words of Man..or God...when they degrade or disrespect anyone.

I'd guess 'Original Sin' is a concept invented by the church, perhaps to maintain control of the masses. It doesn't exist in the Bible.

[Céline]

'Original Sin' is a concept invented by the church, perhaps to maintain control of the masses. It doesn't exist in the Bible.

Hence my disrespect for the church...

[Scarab]

Hence my disrespect for the church...

Mine too.

[Moxie]

Alternatives to New Age.

The only true alternative would be inclusive of all people and all beings.
It would not have a label such as Christian, Buddhist, Islam. It would not be a place to go to worship (worth ship) as God does not rqeuire your worship, your help to save anyone, for nothing is ever lost.

I cannot participate in any organized religion because by its very nature it is exclusive. As honestly as I can say this, I do not tend to Believe
who or what Christ was or is, hence the label of Christian is offensive to me because, no matter which church you are in that is Christian, it all boils down to whether or not you believe that Jesus died for your sins (the whole concept is just strange) even though I have experienced what is called being "saved" in my life. It was a powerful, spiritual, ineffable event which soon had me making a choice... to follow whatever rules were insisted by the followers of this "non-denominational" church, you know, stay away from this, that, do this, that... I left with my powerful experience, connection with my Creator (which I capitalize for distinction).

The focus for me is on the ultimate creator & giver of all life. I do not believe that I need get to God by any other person, including Christ. I do not say the name Jesus except when I swear (which is a really bad habit I know) so shame on me.

I honor the words attributed to him.

I do not believe that people need commandments in order to know how to live right. People do need demonstration bestowed of virtues such as assisting those in need, being kind & loving, and yes, giving honor to God for my life, being good stewards of the world.

For all the churches in the world that are by their nature, divisive, we have no governing bodies that have councils based on ethical considerations whether or not such and such ought to even be produced for sale in the world, that take into account all the peoples best interests, that sort of thing. Tax status, exemptions.

So yes, it is true that religions have been inserted into our societies just as new age has, I agree with that. It's also true, that when you remove Jesus from a belief system in our christian society, people are totally clueless to know what else is there.

New Age, like any other religion got twisted out of shape by the confused, groping masses that rejected conventional religions. I was one of them.
But I've realized that it is my sole life, my soul individuated, that appears to be having a private life of my own as well as a member of a body of beings in a world that is in big trouble, not being able to unite for the best of all.

So my spirituality is personal as should it be for others. I do not, for the life of me, know why it is that people need to go to a building to worship God. I wish it were not so. I am tired of divisiveness and I want the children reared with an inclusive mental perspective. Respect, love, help others, honor God the Creator of all life.

[Moxie]

I will add that I too, communicate with God, not as an order taker, but for guidance and direction for right living and action. I also say "thank you" often throughout the day for I see that a grateful heart keeps me humble.

I do believe that thoughts are energetic and make a difference how your life is lived. I do experience direction from God as well as having had experiences which I would name as demonic... semantics can be a problem I know... but anyway, wanted to add these thoughts

[Sarahmay]

I believe that all religions on Earth at present and most New Age teachings exist to prevent our consciousness from growing and our DNA from evolving out of this place and keep us earthbound. Most are fear based, to keep our vibrations down, but some are soft words to get our guard down so we will allow reverse coding. Bottom line is we are sovereign multi-dimensional beings and while we do need to know some of the physics of multidimensionality, we don't "need" anyone but ourselves.

[PhiedPiper]

The "fake" New Age is certainly that. The real thing, however, is something completely different, and should never be called by that name. Materials like Matrix V can help to highlight the real difference. Those people getting caught at those mid levels are the ones bulking up the movement and making finding the real thing like finding a needle in a haystack. But the truth is still out there, we just have to work harder than ever to find it. On the other hand, at least in our modern times the truth is a lot more accessible than it ever was before.

[Scarab]

I keep reading and re-reading this thread. There are some interesting points of view.

Then I re-read the thread title:

If New Age is evil deception, what is the alternative?

Made me wonder...

What if everyone is wrong? :original:

[kriya]

I will add that I too, communicate with God, not as an order taker, but for guidance and direction for right living and action. I also say "thank you" often throughout the day for I see that a grateful heart keeps me humble.

I do believe that thoughts are energetic and make a difference how your life is lived. I do experience direction from God as well as having had experiences which I would name as demonic... semantics can be a problem I know... but anyway, wanted to add these thoughts


Hi Moxie,

I believe God wishes to have a divine romance with each of us, unique to the individual, as we are neither male or female and nor is God. He (not really but you get my drift) just wants our love.

Love,

Kriya

[Céline]

I keep reading and re-reading this thread. There are some interesting points of view.

Then I re-read the thread title:



Made me wonder...

What if everyone is wrong? :original:

or even more wonderous.... what if everyone is right???

[Scarab]

or even more wonderous.... what if everyone is right???


That would be COOL!!!

Problem is, it would throw logical thought out the window. Then, if logicians are wrong, how could everyone be right?

[beren]

That would be COOL!!!

Proclem is, it would throw logical thought out the window. Then, if we removed logicians from the equations, how could everyone be right?

We are deeply afraid beings, God is helping us to overcome fear and BE...

We sense things since we are of God though we can not explain them today, we give our best but it is a slow process.

But important thing is not to be destroyed during process of learning.
To be destroyed is a wish from Satan AKA Lucifer AKA Devil and its slaves in PTB...luckily Creator is there ot protect us with his love and truth.

So first things first, step one acknowledge that we are just humans, no more no less... We are children of God but on the very beginning of our journeys. We did not come far since Satan was stopping and slowing us down.

Second step is learning and learning and learning about love.
It is the essence of life and of creator.

[Céline]

That would be COOL!!!

Problem is, it would throw logical thought out the window. Then, if logicians are wrong, how could everyone be right?

If...(please dont forget i said if..)... reality is perception...then everything thing would be "right?....Non? hehe

[Scarab]

If...(please dont forget i said if..)... reality is perception...then everything thing would be "right?....Non? hehe

I don't perceive reality as being perception.

Does the planet have gravity because we perceive it? If someone chooses to ignore gravity will they float into space?

[kriya]

IMHO

My thoughts are quite biased....first of all as a Woman, i find immediate offense with being the bearer of "original sin" , though i understand there may be a variety of different takes on that burden...it is enough to be a "Deal breaker" for me...

i find it difficult to take seriously the words of Man..or God...when they degrade or disrespect anyone.

Adam represents reason and Eve, feeling. The tree of "knowledge" represents the body. Adam and Eve were divinely created and had all the power to create divinely by thought. When they decided to get physical they messed it all up. Its both their faults.

Love,

Kriya

[Scarab]

Adam represents reason and Eve, feeling. The tree of life represents the body. Adam and Eve were divinely created and had all the power to create divinely by thought. When they decided to get physical they messed it all up. Its both their faults.

Love,

Kriya

Cool theory. Except the Bible says that Adam and Eve were free to eat from the Tree of LIfe, but NOT the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

It goes on to say that eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil was what got them banned from Eden.

[kriya]

Cool theory. Except the Bible says that Adam and Eve were free to eat from the Tree of LIfe, but NOT the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

It does on to say that eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil was what got them banned from Eden.



Sorry, You beat me to it, I was just about to change that to read tree of Knowlege.

Love,

Kriya

[Northern Boy]

Except the Bible says that Adam and Eve were free to eat from the Tree of LIfe, but NOT the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

Or so we are led to believe by those that interpreted the bible . No one knows if these were the correct meanings of the original words . We are assuming they are and unless the true author comes forward to explain we are left to assume they are the original words . There is no actual proof

[Initiate]

Cool theory. Except the Bible says that Adam and Eve were free to eat from the Tree of LIfe, but NOT the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil.

It goes on to say that eating from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil was what got them banned from Eden.

What does it mean to eat something? Does it not mean to consume it? One can not try to have knowledge of good or evil. As soon as we start to consume this assumption then we start to put ourselves above God and judge the world, the universe and all that it contains. We just have to BE. Let God judge us and let him choose our path to redeem any mistakes or wrong choices we make. This is the number one rule. Don't Judge others lest thee be Judged.

[14 Chakras]

Gratitude for the responses and the different viewpoints.

I guess my real point in starting is that labeling ideas as "evil or good" and then classifying people into these labels based on vocabulary they use is very fruitless.

I do not consider myself "New Age" in terms of any movement or religion. However, I strongly believe that we are here Now for the raising up of planet Earth from the dark age, the illusion of separation, and back into a Golden Age where it is clear that All Life is One, and thus our victory is Won.

While I understand that fundamentalist believe it is "satan" for people to affirm the Divine within themselves, I strongly believe the opposite is the case.

What is matter made out of? What is an atom made out of? Spirit. Energy. Consciousness. Divinity. There is no where that God is not, including within humanity.

However, the ultimate law of creation is Free Will, and if humanity wished to continue to deny that God is here Now within us, then we will continue to experience another dark age and the Earth will not be raised up or healed.

Those who claim to be Jesus biggest supporters, fundamentalist Christians are most often preaching the very polar opposite of Jesus message, and they have had their day. Truth of Jesus message which is that the Father Mother lives within each one of us, and we can do the works that he did when we also remember I and my Father are One. ~ is coming here Now as the Light descends and the Golden Age begins.

[Stardustaquarion]

Wonderful conclussion 14 Chakras! thank you:thumb_yello:

Love

[Céline]

Adam represents reason and Eve, feeling. The tree of "knowledge" represents the body. Adam and Eve were divinely created and had all the power to create divinely by thought. When they decided to get physical they messed it all up. Its both their faults.

Love,

Kriya


IMHO

sexuality...sensuality...when inspired by love...should never be WRONG

[kriya]

IMHO

sexuality...sensuality...when inspired by love...should never be WRONG

I think the point was to make love "divinely" rather than "animalistically". Because as divine beings we were above animal nature.

[Céline]

I think the point was to make love "divinely" rather than "animalistically". Because as divine beings we were above animal nature.

Hmm with no disrespect intended...i must completely disagree...

All life is divine...in one way or another...and to define it...gives it limitations... i am not prepared to do that...

[kriya]

Hmm with no disrespect intended...i must completely disagree...

All life is divine...in one way or another...and to define it...gives it limitations... i am not prepared to do that...


No probs Celine, it's all cool:thumb_yello:

If we all thought the same it would be rather dull.

But IMO you're wrong:mfr_lol: Most of us do not express our divinity or realize in it's entirety.

[Steven]

There is the "New Age" thing... And there is the end of a grand evolution cycle that last 14 billion years that will create a New Humanity, a New Earth because consciousness has reached a new threshold...

It doesn't matter what religion you are, nor beliefs you have, what matter is "who" you are...

Namaste, Steven

[joe2288]

There is the "New Age" thing... And there is the end of a grand evolution cycle that last 14 billion years that will create a New Humanity, a New Earth because consciousness has reached a new threshold...

Namaste, Steven

Well said, we are indeed moving towards a new humanity, one that vibrates

higher.

[mudra]

My favorite word in the term " New age " is " New ".
If we are clinging to a set pattern of thoughts how can we then allow change to take place.

Say not, "I have found the truth," but rather, "I have found a truth."

Kahlil Gibran, The Prophet

Love Always
mudra

[greybeard]

My favorite word in the term " New age " is " New ".
If we are clinging to a set pattern of thoughts how can we then allow change to take place.

Say not, "I have found the truth," but rather, "I have found a truth."

Kahlil Gibran, The Prophet

Love Always
mudra

We are as clean and clear as transparent glass, then thoughts, ideas, belief systems, concepts,constructs, stick to us, mainly the fingerprints of others.
We have forgotten how clean clear and wholsome we really are, take a look.

With love Chris

[Clarityofawareness]

You really are your whole reality. "Be" the change you want to see in the world. Why wait any longer or until your next life or there after? Choise is yours.

Kevin aka Clarity of Awareness

[Nebula9D]

The title to this thread is deceptive and conotates a negative view or ignorant view on new age. Imho its all a play of words and perception.

[Magamud]

New Age Deception I believe is prior/rehashed/old knowledge on dimensional transcendence. The whatever you want to call them fallen angels/parasites use this information to distract you from attaining your own creative route. The energy is powerful which magnetizes your soul to it. Probably due to past life's use of that very energy to move beyond. Familiar to Blavatsky's Babble. Its bizarre to say the least. The information is interesting, fascinating and energizing, BUT in my take you can study it until your BLUE (no pun intended Sirius) in the face and have not bit of understanding of the Corrupted reality.

Good Luck & Godspeed....

[Seburo]

Just don't play into the labels. New Age, Christianity, Buddhism, etc., they're all just f'ing labels. Learn about everything and discern fallacy from truth; be what you want to see, and do that of which you wish to create. Always remember we see things as we are, not as they are.

[shiva777]

here is an alternative to the "new-agey" tabloid spirituality..many of us are NOT planetary lightworkers in the simple sense that most new-agers cling to..many of us are galactic starseeds and we are here to rehabilitate the hologram that was severly damaged due to negative ET groups(reptilians and Dracs)..the mainstream new-age does NOT acknowledge,feel or address the issue that we can not ascend as long as we live in the corrupted hologram...that is why all these grandiose events perpetuated by so many new-agey channels haven't manifested,,,,the hologram is still in need of much repair before any of the "sacred unions" or "dimensional shifts"{ or "crystalline body shifts" etc,etc can happen...if you resonate with the STARSEED mission I highly recommend you go to www.energeticsynthesis.com


...start by clicking the RESOURCES tab abd read the "LYV newsletter" archives to get a realistic record and timeline of how our ascension is really playing out...

[MargueriteBee]

Which is exactly what the term to be reborn means.......

Frankly it irritates me when I hear people banging on about how this or that resonates with them etc... because it just seems so....well new age actually. Words without meaning or substance. Those who know keep silent.

WORDS

Words are the problem. Words mean different things to different people. Imagine; 'thinking without words'.