How does one deal with the 'boredom' of existence?

[yellowcosmicseed]

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I am facing a certain dilemma: I believe that the divine plan is boring and worthless.

(I do suffer from affects of child neglect/abuse and am suspected to be on the autistic spectrum and I want to know if this is a factor to why I have been having the ponderings/conclusions/feelings that I have recorded here.)

Okay lets begin:

Everything began with nothingness/nonexistence (empty space), and then this became aware of itself and it manifested the great I AM. This led to the manifestation of all things that could possibly exist. This was accomplished through the appearance of light and vibration. Everything is made of vibration, and vibration is formless. This is how something comes out of nothing, the nothing uses vibration (made of formlessness) and condenses it to make something. So form is only merely the movement that lingers in the infinitive expanse of space/nonexistence. The purpose of the creation of form is for the 'One' to disidentify itself from all labels and things to go back to the peace state of 'Nonexistence'. Evil, suffering, and trial is used to progress the One back to the Peace state.

This is when I get depressed. Our existence is meant only to experience and combat evil?

I know the state of love and increased consciousness is great, but to what purpose? I totally despise the state of evil/suffering, but now I am getting distressed with the state of loving consciousness.

When an entity grows and evolves in loving consciousness then does that entity get to experience the joy of the feeling of being present in all possible experiences? When I get to that point in my train of thought I get an ugly feeling, because I then come to believe that the only mission of an entity of love consciousness is to go on its mission to combat other evils and guide others entities in their evolution. FOr some reason that sounds boring to me.

I want to have fun and joy in experiencing the many creations. But for some reason I think about how that joy does not bring true fulfillment.

I feel that the growth in loving consciousness only leads to unfulfilling glutonny of paradise and of the boring mission of combatting evil and guiding others in evolution. But the thing is I also despise service to self, because service to self and evil leads to never feeling fulfilled and eventually destroying one's self. I feel that existence is too boring. Increasing awareness of other realities feels unfulfilling to me, because they all hold the same trial of overcoming evil, in which I think that the overcoming of evil is also a boring feat.

Do I got the right picture here? Bear with me.

:nono:

[yellowcosmicseed]

Nothing should exist, but the truth is:

everything and nothing exists and does not exist at the same time.

After all these realizations I am still depressed. I even have very very convincing evidence of the existence of past lives but I am still depressed. (side note: the abuse that occurred to me occurred in a past life, my father is much better in this life. but me and my father still carry on the effects of abuse laid on both of us. oh the agony...)

i am VERY SORRY for my negativity and let down. i should have posted this on GODLIKEPRODUCTIONS, not AVALON.

[joe2288]

Don't get distressed, there's more to still to be learned for you. The battle

over good and evil doesn't matter, because once you look past that your

realize if you shine bright enough darkness cannot touch you. You are here

to learn and experience not to fight evil. Focus on the good, on the inside

rather, then negativity on the outside and you will find your equilibrium.

Remember were here to learn.

[haibane]

Erm, how do you know that is the truth? Btw if you continue searching, you'll never be bored again, and also you will most likely find out that your conclusions were a bit premature (^_^ )

[New Age Messiah]

When consciousness or Spirit flows cleanly through your soul, as it is meant to, as it does in animals, just being is bliss.

You notice animals sit and do nothing and are perfectly content.

It's a big job, to get down to the bottom of your soul, get underneath everything you hid, and stored...

It's like cutting through a jungle, you have to be really really brave and strong and true, just like the action heros.

The soul is a mega mega scene, and if you purify it, then just being is bliss immeasurable and there is no "reason" or "philosophy" required.

Just know that the pure flow of consciousness or spirit through your soul is heaven on earth, and it is possible to experience, and it is a great adventure to find it.

If you make it there, you can make it anywhere. :original:

A.H. Almaas has the best books "The Inner Journey Home" being a summary of his ten or so other books... He's deep deep but true true.

Otherwise, Eckhart Tolle is good and Ken Wilbur from what I hear.

Religious books are dumb.

[yellowcosmicseed]

Erm, how do you know that is the truth? Btw if you continue searching, you'll never be bored again, and also you will most likely find out that your conclusions were a bit premature (^_^ )

so once one makes it past the yin/yang light/darkness stage then is existence truly fun? is true fulfillment from experiencing and knowing other possibilities of existence?

pshh i dont know.

I seriously need help.

(sorry for the pessimism):nono:

[yellowcosmicseed]

When consciousness or Spirit flows cleanly through your soul, as it is meant to, as it does in animals, just being is bliss.

You notice animals sit and do nothing and are perfectly content.

It's a big job, to get down to the bottom of your soul, get underneath everything you hid, and stored...

It's like cutting through a jungle, you have to be really really brave and strong and true, just like the action heros.

The soul is a mega mega scene, and if you purify it, then just being is bliss immeasurable and there is no "reason" or "philosophy" required.

Just know that the pure flow of consciousness or spirit through your soul is heaven on earth, and it is possible to experience, and it is a great adventure to find it.

If you make it there, you can make it anywhere. :original:

A.H. Almaas has the best books "The Inner Journey Home" being a summary of his ten or so other books... He's deep deep but true true.

Otherwise, Eckhart Tolle is good and Ken Wilbur from what I hear.

Religious books are dumb.

Well I know its going to take longer for me and i am trying to at least make it past my abuse scenario. Its going to take lots of work. My fear is that I might end up being one of those souls that end up in the state of decay and will end up being 'recycled'.

sorry for the pessimism

[yellowcosmicseed]

Well I know its going to take longer for me and i am trying to at least make it past my abuse scenario. Its going to take lots of work. My fear is that I might end up being one of those souls that end up in the state of decay and will end up being 'recycled'.

sorry for the pessimism

Well the thing I guess I really need are tools and techniques i can use to repair, cleanse, and heal myself. wow

:sneaky2:

[yellowcosmicseed]

Well the thing I guess I really need are tools and techniques i can use to repair, cleanse, and heal myself. wow

:sneaky2:

Can anyone give me advice on how I should go about doing this? (Considering my specific circumstances as stated above.)

[New Age Messiah]

Well I know its going to take longer for me and i am trying to at least make it past my abuse scenario. Its going to take lots of work. My fear is that I might end up being one of those souls that end up in the state decay and will end up being 'recycled'.

sorry for the pessimism

Ascension, higher vibration, etc. will come if you want it to, if you have a heart for truth, it will find its way.

Think how easy everything in life is, if you let it be...

You don't have to look to see.
You don't have to listen to hear.

Everything just happens. :original:

[ConsciousSponge]

I believe you are going through your spiritual birth. Check out my post and see if it makes sense to you. ego (http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=205167&postcount=134)

At first you think you know, then you know you know, then you start to find the truth and it is more powerful and stranger than you thought you knew:D

[ConsciousSponge]

Well the thing I guess I really need are tools and techniques i can use to repair, cleanse, and heal myself. wow

:sneaky2:

I like Eckhardt Tolle's A New Earth and The Power of Now for starters

[New Age Messiah]

Can anyone give me advice on how I should go about doing this? (Considering my specific circumstances as stated above.)

1. Read "Soul Without Shame" by Byron Brown. This will let you see how your inner voice is kind of like a demon.

2. Read "The Way of the Wizard" by Deepak Chopra. Read it over and over again until it sinks in.

3. Read "The Inner Journey Home" by A.H. Almaas, over and over again, the parts about non-conceptual awareness, and divine love, especially.

This is about a three year plan. From day one just know that you are dealing with Reality, not anyone's opinion.

"I am the universe" is what you can know absolutely.

[haibane]

so once one makes it past the yin/yang light/darkness stage then is existence truly fun? is true fulfillment from experiencing and knowing other possibilities of existence?

pshh i dont know.

I seriously need help.

(sorry for the pessimism):nono:

Well, I can only speak for myself - but yes, for me searching and getting answers, and discovering new questions, learning, is the ultimate joy. Have you ever played computer games? Finishing a level may be a pretty good experience, but ultimately it ends with the 'GAME OVER' message. But with learning you just know there will always be next level, a new challenge. You need to experience it yourself; there might be people (or beings) who might help guiding you to another level, or show you the direction, but ultimately it's up to you.

[yellowcosmicseed]

I like Eckhardt Tolle's A New Earth and The Power of Now for starters

I have read them already some time before.

[joe2288]

I have read them already some time before.

Have you ever looked into any of the work of Delores Cannon. I can get

you the links to her videos. She helped me think on another level, let me

know.

[yellowcosmicseed]

Well maybe I can utilize some of that Rons Org Scientology?

[conjuredUp]

Read some Byron Katie. Either, "Loving What Is" or "I Need Your Love, Is It True."

She doesn't use the word "ego" like Tolle does (which for some, throws up impenetrable walls) so she gets you to BE IN THE NOW by showing you (which, we all already know, BTW) how to get away from thought.

"I am bored" is a thought. Are you *REALLY* bored? No... you are interacting with like minded people via the magic of the internet. Your thoughts TRICK you into believing THEY are reality.

But the reality is... you aren't bored. You are magic. Just like we all are.
When you get out of your thoughts, you will thrill in every second.

LOVE LOVE LOVE to you all.
Great post!
C

[14 Chakras]

There is no fight between light and dark. Only Light is reality. Fighting darkness creates darkness. Stop fighting, resisting, and just Be. React not. Why Be bored when you just need to Be? Freedom is reality ~ co-creation, reality is Peace, Bliss, Power, Infinite co-creative inspiration ~

[aroundthetable]

Nothing should exist, but the truth is:

everything and nothing exists and does not exist at the same time.

After all these realizations I am still depressed. I even have very very convincing evidence of the existence of past lives but I am still depressed. (side note: the abuse that occurred to me occurred in a past life, my father is much better in this life. but me and my father still carry on the effects of abuse laid on both of us. oh the agony...)

i am VERY SORRY for my negativity and let down. i should have posted this on GODLIKEPRODUCTIONS, not AVALON.
to think in this way shows you are a mature and advanced personality :)

your right, the material world is a hellish place, it is that way because we are not meant to be here, we belong with god, we forget that when we take birth here of our own choice, to play at being little controllers. we asked for it. anybody that thinks they are happy in this world is a fool, this is indeed a prison like planet where birth, old age, disease and death reign. However, if you direct your thoughts and actions towards love, you can be happy even in this life, knowing things as they are.

That was a really good thought share dear poster, thanks for the effort and sincerity, and thanks for giving me the opportunity to remember god.

The Bhagavad Gita was the scripture that was key to my own personal realisations, so of course i would recommend it to everyone.

[100thmonkey]

Yes, I also feel that the whole of creation is 'just something to do'. :wink2:
I think you're feeling what the original universal consciouness must have felt. It's why she then plunged elements of herself into the ignorance of matter, and here we are.
They say 'ignorance is bliss'...
yet our return to awareness is inevitable.

P.S. I don't think any soul get's 'recycled', if you mean it's journey cut short...? The experience of passing through such a phase is as valuable as any other.
...and no need to apologise for being a 'bring down'. Everybody experiences it.

[Spregovori]

I believe that the divine plan is boring and worthless.

(I do suffer from affects of child neglect/abuse and am suspected to be on the autistic spectrum and I want to know if this is a factor to why I have been having the ponderings/conclusions/feelings that I have recorded here.)

Everything began with nothingness/nonexistence (empty space), and then this became aware of itself and it manifested the great I AM. This led to the manifestation of all things that could possibly exist. This was accomplished through the appearance of light and vibration. Everything is made of vibration, and vibration is formless. This is how something comes out of nothing, the nothing uses vibration (made of formlessness) and condenses it to make something. So form is only merely the movement that lingers in the infinitive expanse of space/nonexistence. The purpose of the creation of form is for the 'One' to disidentify itself from all labels and things to go back to the peace state of 'Nonexistence'. Evil, suffering, and trial is used to progress the One back to the Peace state.

This is when I get depressed. Our existence is meant only to experience and combat evil?

............

Nothing should exist, but the truth is:

everything and nothing exists and does not exist at the same time.

After all these realizations I am still depressed. I even have very very convincing evidence of the existence of past lives but I am still depressed. (side note: the abuse that occurred to me occurred in a past life, my father is much better in this life. but me and my father still carry on the effects of abuse laid on both of us. oh the agony...)

i am VERY SORRY for my negativity and let down. i should have posted this on GODLIKEPRODUCTIONS, not AVALON.


:nono:

I agree on the boring part but no one can say if it is worthless or not.

What makes you think everything began as you describe it? Is this from inside of you or is it one of many believes other people have? Perhaps some "scientific" way, from theoretical physicist, that themselves claim, they do not know what they do? And...you or others or "science"...what makes you so sure that is how it happened?

Everything you build upon this base of "begging" is very...shaky. The same goes for your "depression". It might be just as "fake" as your perception of how things are.

If the what you believe is the problem...it might help you to simply change your believes. If you can not do that...then there is nothing much to be said.

If you do not wish to "battle evil", than simply choose not to battle evil

If you are afraid you will miss the point and purpose in your life...do not be...you might have already missed both.

You being sorry is a waste of time...


I myself have a "similar" problem. I wish to see how far can I implement the concept of free will without binding myself to any "rules". Since most things are based on the concept of free will (including some of the "advices" I gave you) I am somehow "challenging" it...but it is another topic.

About the child abuse: live with it, it is far from easy, I know (I have to)

take care
take risks

[kriya]

I'm right there with you yellowcosmicseed, mate!

The bottom line is that we did not ask to be created or suffer like we do. Many great self-realized Masters have argued this very point with God. It's all just a divine show, doesn't cut it with me when I see so many people suffering. And how boring is it going round and round in bleeding circles.

I'll leave you with a quote from the Gospel of Thomas:

Jesus Said:

Let he who seeks
remain always seeking
until he finds,
and when he finds
he will be troubled,
having been troubled,
he will marvel,
he will reign over All.

Love,
Kriya

[TRANCOSO]

Ian Dury ones sang-said:

"Sex & drugs & rock and roll
Is all my brain & body need
Sex & drugs & rock & roll
Is very good indeed!"

Boredom is decadent. When I'm truly bored I pop in a sleeping pill & within seconds/minutes I'm in 'dreamstate'. And let me tell you, I'm a happy dreamer!
I consider the period that I'm dreaming as big a part of existence, as 'realtime' life.

I have a wonderful life, because that's what I demand from God.
MY God, that is.
My own, personal Jesus, so to speak.

I have a very wise & funny Guardian Angel by the name of Charlotte who leads me with a ferme, though gentle, hand & whom I trust with my life.
So I'm mainly living on instinct.

I've been extremely lucky with my looks & interlect & I exploit both to the max.

Let love rule!

[orthodoxymoron]

Life is defined by game-playing. We are all playing different games (some overlap). We need challenges. But pain and boredom are probably part of the deal. They are the cost of doing business in the universe. I don't have the answer. I've been living a life of quiet desperation for a long time. I get a lot of the theory...but seem to find it impossible to put into practice. Maybe I'll figure it out in my next lifetime. Just try playing different games...and see what happens. Good-luck.

:original:Namaste:original:

[Scarab]

I've been extremely lucky with my looks & interlect

Interlect. That's funny.

[tpmputterman]

I feel very bored myself!!! I think my lesson in this personality for me has been to awken to the truth of ones self and the world.

I still feel like you, confused in the process. I feel like I understand the purpose of the process, but don't really agree with it all the time.

Why should I have to deal with this level of existence because I want so much to learn and grow at others levels where money, hate ect.. don't exist.

I often ask myself to take me away because I am ready to go, very ready to move on "so to speak" I feel bored as you do!!!!!!!!!!!

Sometimes I wonder even though most of my thoughts are good and I have gotten away from fear, hate, judgement ect... for the most part, what does it even matter??? Because I still have to deal with money problems, mood swings ect... I used to think that the better my mind the better my life got.
Latlet my mind is better but my life around me suffers and I ask why??

Thats the part that I am most confused and bored with

[yellowcosmicseed]

I feel that the type of society that we currently live in will soon dissipate. Many people are waking up. I also look at the great demoralization, desensitization, the mass disorder, and selfishness that is going on. This makes me think that change is absolutely needed and is inevitable to occur. And there is no need to wait, because change occurs NOW in the moment. One does not have to wait to feel fulfilled, fulfillment and true happiness has always resided within us ever since our conception, and it is just waiting for each and every one of us to discover the inner self and to bring upon the liberation of mankind on earth. One that is in one of the worst of situations can still remain at peace inside, and once that suffering one achieves recognition of the spirit, then they are much more likely to become 'liberated' from their sufferings. Though the process is not an easy one.

:cup:

[Majorion]

Good question, I don't know the answer, other than to say...

Just deal with that boredom, know that you're not alone by any measure, and find something to fill the time.

You know I wish I were bored but never seemingly have the time. Every 5 minutes theres something to call up.

[Peace of mind]

Sounds like you’re in the beginning stages of awakening. Waking up from a long deep slumber often leaves you feeling groggy and confused. It passes…

Boredom dosen't exist for me anymore...not since I took control of my ship.

make it happen Captain :thumb_yello:

Peace

[alchemikey]

find your passion...follow your bliss
share your gift...boredom will shift

peace,
mikey

[Leunamros]

I have to deal with serious boredom syndrome.

My passion was truth seeking. And, nowadays, there is nothing to be found out there, or in the internet. I know everything, and this planet is small for me, that´s all folks, life is hard...

Nothing humans ofer here or there is of any interest as i know it already or its outcome is predictable by my great intelligence, so...

I need to see beyond this boring planet, with boring people, with boring 2012 syndrome.

[Anchor]

Nothing should exist, but the truth is:

everything and nothing exists and does not exist at the same time.

After all these realizations I am still depressed. I even have very very convincing evidence of the existence of past lives but I am still depressed. (side note: the abuse that occurred to me occurred in a past life, my father is much better in this life. but me and my father still carry on the effects of abuse laid on both of us. oh the agony...)

i am VERY SORRY for my negativity and let down. i should have posted this on GODLIKEPRODUCTIONS, not AVALON.


Repeat after me: "I am a human being god-damn it, my opinions have value!"

Why: because they do.

You are welcome to post here. I hope that it helps.

Its not all about combating this and that.

One of the nicer things about being alive is "bliss".

Can you recall a moment of sheer wonder and bliss?

A..

[WinterWolf]

I'm right there with you yellowcosmicseed, mate!

The bottom line is that we did not ask to be created or suffer like we do. Many great self-realized Masters have argued this very point with God. It's all just a divine show, doesn't cut it with me when I see so many people suffering. And how boring is it going round and round in bleeding circles.

I'll leave you with a quote from the Gospel of Thomas:

Jesus Said:

Let he who seeks
remain always seeking
until he finds,
and when he finds
he will be troubled,
having been troubled,
he will marvel,
he will reign over All.

Love,
Kriya


Just out of curiosity, how do you know we never asked to be created to suffer the way we do? Who are these great self-realized Masters that you speak of that have argued this point with God?


Winter Wolf

[kriya]

Just out of curiosity, how do you know we never asked to be created to suffer the way we do? Who are these great self-realized Masters that you speak of that have argued this point with God?


Winter Wolf

Paramhansa Yogananda, Lahiri Mashaha, Babaji, Sri Yukteswar who are the Gurus of the Self-Realization fellowship.

Several stories in PY's writings mention this, e.g Autobiography of a Yogi., Man's Eternal Quest and Journey's to Self-Realization to name but a few.


Love,

Kriya

[WinterWolf]

WARNING: LOW LEVEL VIBRATION LINGERS HERE. (PLEASE TOLERATE MY DISTURBANCE.)

I am facing a certain dilemma: I believe that the divine plan is boring and worthless.

(I do suffer from affects of child neglect/abuse and am suspected to be on the autistic spectrum and I want to know if this is a factor to why I have been having the ponderings/conclusions/feelings that I have recorded here.)

Okay lets begin:

Everything began with nothingness/nonexistence (empty space), and then this became aware of itself and it manifested the great I AM. This led to the manifestation of all things that could possibly exist. This was accomplished through the appearance of light and vibration. Everything is made of vibration, and vibration is formless. This is how something comes out of nothing, the nothing uses vibration (made of formlessness) and condenses it to make something. So form is only merely the movement that lingers in the infinitive expanse of space/nonexistence. The purpose of the creation of form is for the 'One' to disidentify itself from all labels and things to go back to the peace state of 'Nonexistence'. Evil, suffering, and trial is used to progress the One back to the Peace state.

This is when I get depressed. Our existence is meant only to experience and combat evil?

I know the state of love and increased consciousness is great, but to what purpose? I totally despise the state of evil/suffering, but now I am getting distressed with the state of loving consciousness.

When an entity grows and evolves in loving consciousness then does that entity get to experience the joy of the feeling of being present in all possible experiences? When I get to that point in my train of thought I get an ugly feeling, because I then come to believe that the only mission of an entity of love consciousness is to go on its mission to combat other evils and guide others entities in their evolution. FOr some reason that sounds boring to me.

I want to have fun and joy in experiencing the many creations. But for some reason I think about how that joy does not bring true fulfillment.

I feel that the growth in loving consciousness only leads to unfulfilling glutonny of paradise and of the boring mission of combatting evil and guiding others in evolution. But the thing is I also despise service to self, because service to self and evil leads to never feeling fulfilled and eventually destroying one's self. I feel that existence is too boring. Increasing awareness of other realities feels unfulfilling to me, because they all hold the same trial of overcoming evil, in which I think that the overcoming of evil is also a boring feat.

Do I got the right picture here? Bear with me.

:nono:

How do you know what the divine plan truly is? Do you have a direct link to God's mind? We all see mere glimpses of a great symphony that is ever revealing itself to those who are more discerning.

Why exactly would anything want to go back into "nonexistence?" To exist in whatever given form is to explore, to feel, to learn, to grow, to seek, to touch, to taste, to be and more.

However, if what you've stated above is true about the divine wanting to go back to the state of nothingness..what would have been the point of making anything in the first place? Would it be to escape boredom? If so..why create worlds, galaxies, consciousness if it only wanted to go back to being bored again?

In my opinion, nothingness is boring. Existing is dynamic.

Winter Wolf

[WinterWolf]

Paramhansa Yogananda, Lahiri Mashaha, Babaji, Sri Yukteswar who are the Gurus of the Self-Realization fellowship.

Several stories in PY's writings mention this, e.g Autobiography of a Yogi., Man's Eternal Quest and Journey's to Self-Realization to name but a few.


Love,

Kriya


Thank you. I may have to look this up.

Winter Wolf

[greybeard]

Dr David Hawkins had blissfull expeiences as a teenager yet became an athiest because the total suffering of mankind throughout all of history was revealed to him. He could not believe in a God who created suffering.

He hit rock bottom and in the depth of his personal hell cried out "If there is a God I ask him to save me" He says that the thought of passing Arkangel lifted him from that place into the enlightened state.

In that state he knew that God did not create suffering, God is LOVE, the ego created suffering.
Through having free will we got led away from our Creator.
95% of the history of the human race is one of conflict, through our ignorance we have created a nightmare. We are now comiing out of it bepole are becoming spiritually awakened.
Jesus on the cross said. "God forgive them for they know not what they do"
With that we are forgiven too.
We have been spiritually asleep, if we knew better we would have done better.
The ego is not an enemy, just self serving, so to be looked on with compassion

I think most seekers go through dark nights of the soul, seeking is not easy.

Anyway I hope this helps.

Chris

[WinterWolf]

I have to deal with serious boredom syndrome.

My passion was truth seeking. And, nowadays, there is nothing to be found out there, or in the internet. I know everything, and this planet is small for me, that´s all folks, life is hard...

Nothing humans ofer here or there is of any interest as i know it already or its outcome is predictable by my great intelligence, so...

I need to see beyond this boring planet, with boring people, with boring 2012 syndrome.


Either this is a big tongue in cheek post or you are actually serious about this.

If this is a serious post then what is the point of you being on here or anywhere? If you think you know everything already then you have stopped growing or learning in any meaningful way...

Do you think you could give me the winning Megamillion lottery numbers for the next couple of decades to come? I think I could feed a lot of people with that sort of wealth.


Winter Wolf

[mikey]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2838526428789108816&ei=LUczS9-ZO9Cr-AbqwK35Dg&q=freedom+of+choice#

it is all a choice and there are no coincidences....your boredom and/or self proclaimed pessimissm along with your elated states of bliss and/or everyday demeanor is a choice on your behalf of the way you wish to experience the situation presented infront of you. despite what u have endured in the past, including past lives, the situation today and tomoro provides an opportunity to address the experience with a frame of mind and a way of being only you can determine right there and then.
you are bored simply bcos u choose to be...imo

love and blessings
peace always
mikey

[kriya]

Just to clarify what I mean by suffering. Although God doesn't create suffering, He, himself doesn't suffer, He isn't affected by karma or suffering, like we are. We should view life like God does, as a huge cosmic drama.

However,IMO, I think a better way to view it is to say, that God does suffer through each of us as we suffer because He is part of us. I know anyone reading this will think its a complete contradiction, but the mysreries of life cannot be fathomed by rational thought, it goes beyond thought.

But for me, I take issue with the whole set up. If God doesn't have karma or suffering then nor should we.

Love,

Kriya

[Leunamros]

Either this is a big tongue in cheek post or you are actually serious about this.

If this is a serious post then what is the point of you being on here or anywhere? If you think you know everything already then you have stopped growing or learning in any meaningful way...

Do you think you could give me the winning Megamillion lottery numbers for the next couple of decades to come? I think I could feed a lot of people with that sort of wealth.


Winter Wolf


Im actually serious with a bit of sense of humour included. My point in being here is keep looking, if there is anything new worth considering. Right now, and since it´s foundation, there isn´t anything useful yet (for me). This kinds of places gives an slight opportunity to see things we haven´t yet seen humans do. They are not based on official institutions.

I havent stopped learning, or growing, that never ends, but, what happens in my case is that what 99,9999% of what people offers, i already know, or it´s useless. We are living in a limited planet, with a limited number of people over it, that´s why this can happen.

[UncleJohn]

Actually it is very easy to deal with the 'boredom' of existence.

Just go to a forum like project avalon and start a troll thread with the title this one has.

Watch everyone trying to solve your problem for you.

I would also suggest getting an ant farm for entertainment.

[Leunamros]

this is not a troll thread, at least for me.

[morguana]

Actually it is very easy to deal with the 'boredom' of existence.

Just go to a forum like project avalon and start a troll thread with the title this one has.

Watch everyone trying to solve your problem for you.

I would also suggest getting an ant farm for entertainment.

:lmao:
i personally can not understand how anyone can be bored......not when the mind and soul can go off travelling :lol3:
always someting lovely to do.......being lovely to others is a start! bringing peace and light to those around you would stop the boredom
mogs x

[greybeard]

Just to clarify what I mean by suffering. Although God doesn't create suffering, He, himself doesn't suffer, He isn't affected by karma or suffering, like we are. We should view life like God does, as a huge cosmic drama.

However,IMO, I think a better way to view it is to say, that God does suffer through each of us as we suffer because He is part of us. I know anyone reading this will think its a complete contradiction, but the mysreries of life cannot be fathomed by rational thought, it goes beyond thought.

But for me, I take issue with the whole set up. If God doesn't have karma or suffering then nor should we.

Love,

Kriya
Hi Kriya
On occasion I have felt like you that the human race has a raw deal.
However we dont have to suffer if we realise that there are consequences for our actions and that is part of karma.
One guru on being asked why a certain pair were in the condition they were in.
The blind one pusing the wheel chair of the crippled one.
The reply. They were torturers in a past life. One blinded prisoners the other broke legs, so this could be described as pergetory (Earth) a chance to learn from previous mistakes. Even though the self dosent remember past lives the higher Self know exactly what went on and will bring about situations for the self to make right and evolve.
self is coming to know that it is Self. Self realization
Thats the essence of it as I understand it.
Rgards Chris

[WinterWolf]

Im actually serious with a bit of sense of humour included. My point in being here is keep looking, if there is anything new worth considering. Right now, and since it´s foundation, there isn´t anything useful yet (for me). This kinds of places gives an slight opportunity to see things we haven´t yet seen humans do. They are not based on official institutions.

I havent stopped learning, or growing, that never ends, but, what happens in my case is that what 99,9999% of what people offers, i already know, or it´s useless. We are living in a limited planet, with a limited number of people over it, that´s why this can happen.

So you have merely scratched the surface and have not
found the depths.

Perhaps you should seek harder. By saying I know everything already so now I am bored seems a bit like a cop out to me.

Your original post did not imply you were still learning and growing. If you were, how could you be bored?

Curious Winter Wolf

[Leunamros]

I know all that people offered to me, all that i needed to know from what they could offer, that´s the "all i know". To get more is harder and harder to find because humanity is in one specific place, with one specific general state of consciousness. When you go too much beyond such general state, and when you are well aware of such, the dangers you face are boredom, too; not only loneliness, and isolation. Truthseeking is a very risky endeavour. You sanity is at stake, and mine has been several times, i have had to fight hard to keep my mind balanced with what i progressively had learnt.

In my case to continue with a normal growing i should go off this planet to see what´s beyond this tiny space.

Not meant to be arrogant, or presume to be "better than", just different, but even here people are light years behind me. Because i did the same in the past that most of you are doing here right now, i asked myself the same questions, and reached my own conclusions; my path took me to another place. Who knows where it will took you, in your personal cases?, we had some questions in common in my past.

Everyday that passes by is harder to find real food for thought. There is a stupid 97% fearmongering mixed with phony promises everywhere. That´s very sad.

[BROOK]

I agree Winterwolf....the surface has only been scratched. Maybe looking on the outside is not the answer.

I have found that looking inside, and finding answers, have actually brought a different vision to what is outside. And things look much different. Much more beautiful, in color, and for what it's worth, things have a different meaning.

Keep in mind that there has been a dumbing down that has been exposed, and once you can see past that, things look much different. And it's a whole new learning process.

The things you perceived to be true, are now different, and it's a whole new ballgame. Much more exciting..filled with much more life, and brilliance.

If you are still bored with this new existence..then you really have only scratched the surface.

[Leunamros]

No, "the inside" is not the answer. To learn more you have to look at everything. And i mean everything, not just your inside, that´s not good.

Even from boredom there are many things to be learnt. But to do so, you have to be bored, indeed. I talk from experience.

People decide themselves what is a surface and what is not. Many of you maybe don´t get that. Fractally speaking, you are ALWAYS scratching surfaces, no matter how far you think you have gone.

[BROOK]

No, "the inside" is not the answer. To learn more you have to look at everything. And i mean everything, not just your inside, that´s not good.

Even from boredom there are many things to be learnt. But to do so, you have to be bored, indeed. I talk from experience.

People decide themselves what is a surface and what is not. Many of you maybe don´t get that. Fractally speaking, you are ALWAYS scratching surfaces, no matter how far you think you have gone.

Well, in my experience, I have found that things will look much different after you've discovered the truth that you carry inside.

And it is far from boring. And also a neverending amount of information can be attained. The truth they did not want you to see. :naughty:

[THE eXchanger]

YOU become friends with Brook, from 6pm to 6am
and, become friends with Tango from 6am to 6pm :mfr_lol:

[THE eXchanger]

the real power is in eXchange

- so, you create as much `good`eXchange as you can !!!

[BROOK]

:tease:YOU become friends with Brook, from 6pm to 6am
and, become friends with Tango from 6am to 6pm :mfr_lol:

Be careful what she suggests...I've been told I'm a real roller coaster...:tease:

[Majorion]

Boredom..................

Just deal with it :cup: :naughty:

[WinterWolf]

I know all that people offered to me, all that i needed to know from what they could offer, that´s the "all i know". To get more is harder and harder to find because humanity is in one specific place, with one specific general state of consciousness. When you go too much beyond such general state, and when you are well aware of such, the dangers you face are boredom, too; not only loneliness, and isolation. Truthseeking is a very risky endeavour. You sanity is at stake, and mine has been several times, i have had to fight hard to keep my mind balanced with what i progressively had learnt.



In my case to continue with a normal growing i should go off this planet to see what´s beyond this tiny space.
Everyday that passes by is harder to find real food for thought. There is a stupid 97% fearmongering mixed with phony promises everywhere. That´s very sad.

I had to alter the quote to make room so I could see where I'm typing. Typing on the phone isn't always fun. xD

This tiny planet and the people who live on it each have somethng to offer whether you think you already know it or not. Once more your scoe is far too narrow. You are only scratching different surfaces an saying you already know it all.

If you have already learned everything already then why do you continue to reincarnated into a world/dimension/plane/reality where you know it all already? If you continue to come back time and time again to the same "space" then you have not found all that there is to find.

I could go wrong telling people I have existed long before anyone knew what time was but why? I was, am, will be being for it is what I am and have chosen to be. I am energy housed in a physical form. You may destroy my physical shell but I will continue to exist as energy exist in all things. It can not be destroyed but changed.

Then again me going around spouting what I just did would smack of hubris and ego. It may be true of me though others may not belebe me but that does not bother me in the least. I am what I am even though I have yet to fully comprehend all that is me.

Whether I agree with the views of other posters is immaterial. It is he difference in knowledge and views that allow us to grow.

Knowing myself is one surface. Knowing that which is around me is another. There are many surfaces and all are wonderous.

You cheapen the reality you live in by discarding this tiny planet and wanting that which is beyond it.

Instead one should encompass the whole of this so called reality.

Winter Wolf

[BROOK]

It is the difference in knowledge and views that allow us to grow.


You cheapen the reality you live in by discarding this tiny planet and wanting that which is beyond it.

Instead one should encompass the whole of this so called reality.

With this I agree :naughty:

[THE eXchanger]

:tease:

[B]Be careful what she suggests...
I've been told I'm a real roller coaster[/B:]:tease:
i've NEVER been told anything :(
purr_haps, the cat got their tongue,
when i was NOT looking???:lmao:

:tease: + :tease: = :blowup: + :blowup:

[Tango]

Your, a Party in com pari son to me My dear, Brook....... LOL...


I'd be show'em bio feedback on changing the heart beat ....

Pump some Iron, while the music Pounds... Breathe... Feel the Arizona Sun on

your skin. It FEELS good to be alive... I got some things to show you...

A PK wheel to show you how to focus... So, you can SEE you produce

Electric...


Trooly,


Tango

P.S. Hi Susan, are you having F U N.......?

:tease:

[B]Be careful what she suggests...I've been told I'm a real roller coaster...:tease:

[Leunamros]

Well, in my experience, I have found that things will look much different after you've discovered the truth that you carry inside.


And it is far from boring. And also a neverending amount of information can be attained. The truth they did not want you to see. :naughty:

Happens the same discovering certain important outside truths.

I had to alter the quote to make room so I could see where I'm typing. Typing on the phone isn't always fun. xD

This tiny planet and the people who live on it each have somethng to offer whether you think you already know it or not. Once more your scoe is far too narrow. You are only scratching different surfaces an saying you already know it all.

If you have already learned everything already then why do you continue to reincarnated into a world/dimension/plane/reality where you know it all already? If you continue to come back time and time again to the same "space" then you have not found all that there is to find.

Winter Wolf

And you are here to challenge, to convince me you or anyone else are someone that has something of real interest to offer to me?. Maybe, or maybe not. Im not giving anyone the benefith of doubt: share the treasure or dont presume you have any that is interesting to me. Trying to convince me that you have something important to offer without offering that important thing, is silly. Be humble man.

You have a problem with me knowing all that i should know that people offered me?. What´s up man?. I should be like you, or something?.


You dont know me at all to judge me that lightly. But, once again, you dont get at all what im telling you. You see the words i put "i know all" and your eyes flashes "OMG! this guy knows it all!!, cannot be!, it´s a sin!!!". Indeed, you don´t listen, wich is your problem with what i have said.

I dont know "all", i just know a LOT of what i was interested in knowing. So much, that is hard and nearly impossible to find anymore. Only the most avant-garde explorers could offer me something interesting, not average truthseekers.

But im here to contribute, and to offer.

[housemouse2]

if only I had time to be bored. :plane::newyear:

[WinterWolf]

I have to deal with serious boredom syndrome.

My passion was truth seeking. And, nowadays, there is nothing to be found out there, or in the internet. I know everything, and this planet is small for me, that´s all folks, life is hard...

Nothing humans ofer here or there is of any interest as i know it already or its outcome is predictable by my great intelligence, so...

I need to see beyond this boring planet, with boring people, with boring 2012 syndrome.

This is what you posted in your first post to this thread. I high-lighted, bolded, italicized and even colored green the very words you put down. You stated, "I know everything." So that pretty much means you know all.

Your latest reply to me, albeit rather hostile, indignant and seemingly threatened seems rather contradictory to me. First you state you know everything and now it is you know everything you wanted to know and no one and nothing has anything of worth to offer you. Well..except for some select few.

Do you not think that is limiting? Why limit yourself to only that which you want to know? I find that rather sad. Wouldn't living without mental boundaries be better than living with blinders on? Would that not be more satisfying?

Challenge you? I am sorry you feel that way. I am not attempting to challenge you in anything nor am I trying to convince you in anything. Why would I want to try to convince you in anything? Your mind is already made up. I am but stating my opinion and views on the comments you have posted.

I can not judge you for I do not know you. I am merely analyzing your comments and trying to see why you feel the way you do. Everything you have posted thus far in this thread only makes me think even more that you are limiting yourself.

Why would I want you to be just like me? In doing so, you lose your own sense of individuality. Be whatever you are.

Perhaps you do not understand what it is I am trying to say..what I am trying to offer. Perhaps it is far to subtle.

Sometimes I feel like I see too much and understand it too little to adequately convey to others what I "see."

To say I do not listen is laughable. I try to listen and understand that which I read or hear or see. I try to fully understand that which I am dealing with. When I do not quite understand, I question. How else would you learn if you never question?

Every day that I wake up, I am like a babe newborn to the world, wondering at the grandeur that is out there. Knowing that there are things out there that I have not seen, sensed in any way, shape or form. I have yet to experience that new thing, directly or indirectly.

I am like an ever thirsty sponge, waiting to soak up every bit of information, new or old, filing through it to keep the most precious at the top and filing away the lesser gems for safe keeping. Nothing is discarded but treasured.

Curious. Why are you here if only the avant-garde could even hope to stimulate your intellect? Perhaps you were hoping someone here could possible give you anything of interest since the world is boring and populated by boring people who are caught up with 2012.

Winter Wolf

[THE eXchanger]

Trooly,Tango
P.S. Hi Susan, are you having F U N.......?

the "trooly" fun starts at 6:00am :mfr_lol:

right 'now' i am in the 'brook' :lmao:

good thing, i do NOT kiss and, tell :tease:

[Scarab]

How does one deal with the 'boredom' of existence?

I heard some people talk to themselves.

[Leunamros]

This is what you posted in your first post to this thread. I high-lighted, bolded, italicized and even colored green the very words you put down. You stated, "I know everything." So that pretty much means you know all.

Then i didnt explained well what i was meant to say. But now, man, I have explained you enough.

Is up to you to try to understand what i have told you personally. You make me waste my energies if you keep obsessed with the "i know it all" badly explained that i put in my first post.

[WinterWolf]

I heard some people talk to themselves.

I've heard that too. I think a lot of people may do it and don't wish to admit it.

To each their own I say.


Winter Wolf

[Scarab]

Just to clarify what I mean by suffering. Although God doesn't create suffering, He, himself doesn't suffer, He isn't affected by karma or suffering, like we are. We should view life like God does, as a huge cosmic drama.

However,IMO, I think a better way to view it is to say, that God does suffer through each of us as we suffer because He is part of us. I know anyone reading this will think its a complete contradiction, but the mysreries of life cannot be fathomed by rational thought, it goes beyond thought.

But for me, I take issue with the whole set up. If God doesn't have karma or suffering then nor should we.

Love,

Kriya

This will twist your mind.

What if GOD does have to deal with karma, but we don't? Maybe that's why He doesn't get involved in our affairs and lets us suffer the consequences of our free will.

[WinterWolf]

Then i didnt explained well what i was meant to say. But now, man, I have explained you enough.

Is up to you to try to understand what i have told you personally. You make me waste my energies if you keep obsessed with the "i know it all" badly explained that i put in my first post.


Pity that you saw it as obsessing. I saw it as a contradictory statement that needed to be explained. Hence the questioning. You immediately went defensive and then attacked.

I understand what you are saying now that you've "explained" yourself. I simply do not agree with it.

Pity you didn't address anything else I said in reply to you. Oh well.

Ce la vie.

Winter Wolf

[WinterWolf]

This will twist your mind.

What if GOD does have to deal with karma, but we don't? Maybe that's why He doesn't get involved in our affairs and lets us suffer the consequences of our free will.

Hm. A very interesting twist indeed. I like it.


Winter Wolf

[Leunamros]

Pity that you saw it as obsessing. I saw it as a contradictory statement that needed to be explained. Hence the questioning. You immediately went defensive and then attacked.

I understand what you are saying now that you've "explained" yourself. I simply do not agree with it.

Pity you didn't address anything else I said in reply to you. Oh well.

Ce la vie.

Winter Wolf

whatever.... im not interested in discussing further with you about it, im free to choose.

[WinterWolf]

whatever.... im not interested in discussing further with you about it, im free to choose.


That is your choice and you are free to choose it. Do what you want.

This...interaction no matter how ungainly is more information, more experience I did not have before. I am enriched by it even if it held no real value to me.


Winter Wolf

[Gnosis5]

Well I know its going to take longer for me and i am trying to at least make it past my abuse scenario. Its going to take lots of work. My fear is that I might end up being one of those souls that end up in the state of decay and will end up being 'recycled'.

sorry for the pessimism

HA! That is sooo funny!! You know what? When I was in the Church of Scientology one day a very "high level" person told me that I was going to become a rock. That was equivalent to having the Pope tell a Catholic that they would burn in hell forever. Boy was intimidated.

Years later I leave the CofS and join with a select Freezone group, and you want to know what I found out? I found out that some people who are now very nice and normal people once were a rock!!! Oh, the joke was on me.
Quantum physicists could probably confirm that as they find out that everything contains consciousness.

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[Céline]

Boredom???

that is so very sad...

[Gnosis5]

WARNING: LOW LEVEL VIBRATION LINGERS HERE. (PLEASE TOLERATE MY DISTURBANCE.)

I am facing a certain dilemma: I believe that the divine plan is boring and worthless.
[snipped]
:nono:


That is very synchronistic. I just came out of a session wherein somewhere in my distant past, before I was a 3d body, I got drawn to a large crystal that was making the "AUM" sound vibration. I went inside the crystal and got hooked as if on some drug. And when I came out of the crystal I could no longer stand the current existence -- it seemed intolerably dull and boring. After that it was easy to trap me into crystals, and I saw how I was still re-enacting that drama this lifetime, an intolerance for things that I considered were dull and boring. Another compulsion healed.

[Gnosis5]

Erm, how do you know that is the truth? Btw if you continue searching, you'll never be bored again, and also you will most likely find out that your conclusions were a bit premature (^_^ )

Amen to that. The choice of seeking higher truths is the best adventure I have ever been on, and I am no longer addicted to having adventures either :original:

[Gnosis5]

Well maybe I can utilize some of that Rons Org Scientology?

If one wishes to go the Scientology route I would recommend R3X which is an upgrade of the original Dianetics that got the whole movement going in the first place. Unfortunately, Dianetics did not get upgraded, only added onto. That has been corrected with R3X as far as I am seeing from a scientological perspective. But then I eschew levels and control and prefer simple, informal, natural path. I guess I am more Buddhic in my approach.

However, once a being can be trusted with his "siddhis" or powers then one could and should become fully "electrical". That is one aspect of ourselves, and I don't see why we cannot express it once we can trust ourselves.

[Spiralina]

Hi Yellowcosmicseed, broadcasting

May I suggest that you simply be here now?

According to maya's 8 division sky place teachings, 8 Division Sky Place is the Mayan heavenly existance meaning; you are who..... and what... where... when... and how... you're supposed to be.

The rest is thrown in... FYI


Ian Lungold covers 8 division sky place, in his lecture. If interested in Ian's lecture that also covers the 8 Division Sky Place of existance, google video Mayan Calendar Comes North. It's his three hour teaching on mayan calendars. I've watched it many times. :original: Deborah







WARNING: LOW LEVEL VIBRATION LINGERS HERE. (PLEASE TOLERATE MY DISTURBANCE.)

I am facing a certain dilemma: I believe that the divine plan is boring and worthless.

(I do suffer from affects of child neglect/abuse and am suspected to be on the autistic spectrum and I want to know if this is a factor to why I have been having the ponderings/conclusions/feelings that I have recorded here.)

Okay lets begin:

Everything began with nothingness/nonexistence (empty space), and then this became aware of itself and it manifested the great I AM. This led to the manifestation of all things that could possibly exist. This was accomplished through the appearance of light and vibration. Everything is made of vibration, and vibration is formless. This is how something comes out of nothing, the nothing uses vibration (made of formlessness) and condenses it to make something. So form is only merely the movement that lingers in the infinitive expanse of space/nonexistence. The purpose of the creation of form is for the 'One' to disidentify itself from all labels and things to go back to the peace state of 'Nonexistence'. Evil, suffering, and trial is used to progress the One back to the Peace state.

This is when I get depressed. Our existence is meant only to experience and combat evil?

I know the state of love and increased consciousness is great, but to what purpose? I totally despise the state of evil/suffering, but now I am getting distressed with the state of loving consciousness.

When an entity grows and evolves in loving consciousness then does that entity get to experience the joy of the feeling of being present in all possible experiences? When I get to that point in my train of thought I get an ugly feeling, because I then come to believe that the only mission of an entity of love consciousness is to go on its mission to combat other evils and guide others entities in their evolution. FOr some reason that sounds boring to me.

I want to have fun and joy in experiencing the many creations. But for some reason I think about how that joy does not bring true fulfillment.

I feel that the growth in loving consciousness only leads to unfulfilling glutonny of paradise and of the boring mission of combatting evil and guiding others in evolution. But the thing is I also despise service to self, because service to self and evil leads to never feeling fulfilled and eventually destroying one's self. I feel that existence is too boring. Increasing awareness of other realities feels unfulfilling to me, because they all hold the same trial of overcoming evil, in which I think that the overcoming of evil is also a boring feat.

Do I got the right picture here? Bear with me.

:nono: