Thoughts on the recent changes to this forum

[Anchor]

Dear Forum Members,

The moderators have been challenged a lot since the site went back to its original format whereby a donation is not required in order to contribute.

During the time the forum was subscription, its character changed. Groups formed up, new unwritten protocols came into being. Some amongst the members were so happy with this construct they took it upon themselves to defend it at all costs – even though there people were not moderators. Sometimes things got ugly – usually these issues all got sorted out peacefully and we all learned.

Now the forum has opened its doors once more. These old dynamics and rules probably will not work anymore. The moderator team, its numbers enhanced will need to take over as they did before.

This is a positive opportunity because many people never wanted to pay to be able to express themselves in this way and felt that the whole money deal was a mistake. It doesn’t really matter now, it is what it is, and it is in the past.

Some of the moderator team are still on board from those early days. We remember how things went before and during the first transition.

What we must all realise it that this change is upon us again. Some of those little groups – protected in their enclave of co-operation between a broadly-speaking “closed groups” are like sandcastles: things of beauty, but they only last until the tide turns. Some however will survive - built on firmer foundations, cleverly designed and out of reach of those tides – and that will be down to the skill of their founders and contributors.

A good example (one among many) is the healing thread: No-one would have expected any disrespectful or off topic remarks on that thread – its kind of like stealing from a blind beggar. Now veiled accusations of hypocrisy can be made in that thread and they are entirely within the scope of the forum guidelines. If the moderators don’t act on this, then in the eyes of those with whom we enjoyed the peace and harmony of the subscriber model: we are protecting the "bad guys" - but they are not "bad guys" - they are other forum members.

In some cases, the behaviour of the moderators looked like we were rebuking those people who were railing against these changes. As it was so eloquently put by waitinginthewings, we were acting like the prosecution in a rape case – making the victims feel that it was their fault. To those people - it wasn’t your fault – we never meant to say that - I am sorry for my part in creating this impression.

You are not really victims. What happened was change – its here now - cant alter it. Change makes victims of us all if we let it. It is a choice. Everything resolves down to the choices we make and the degree to which we assume responsibility for those choices.

Some will now leave – tired of it all - I got the PM's already. Others won't leave, they will adapt and recognise the huge challenges of trying to keep their focus on harmony, amidst the increased levels of distraction and the changing culture of the site. To those that endure - I am honored to be able to share in this energy with you.

The norms and structures of that old world are now open to a new and diverse set of views and these are inevitably going to challenge the status quo and character of the forum.

I think it right that this process be allowed to proceed unimpeded.

Please let me know how you feel.

A..

[Ravens and Doves]

Dear Forum Members,

The moderators have been challenged a lot since the site went back to its original format whereby a donation is not required in order to contribute.


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The Avelon banner is no longer on the Camelot home page and I can't find it anywhere. I just directed a bunch of high profile folks to Camelot to join Avalon and now.... oh, my.

I hope this gets sorted out.

With Love and Respect,

Paul

[Anchor]

The Avelon banner is no longer on the Camelot home page and I can't find it anywhere. I just directed a bunch of high profile folks to Camelot to join Avalon and now.... oh, my.

Lol - not quite the sort of reply I was expecting - but no matter. Simply direct them to this link

http://projectavalon.net/forum

or if security is an issue for you, send them here:

https://projectavalon.net/forum (you have to allow an exception for the self-signed certificate)

A..

[Ravens and Doves]

[QUOTE=Anchor;206072]Dear Forum Members,



The Avelon banner is no longer on the Camelot home page and I can't find it anywhere. I just directed a bunch of high profile folks to Camelot to join Avalon and now.... oh, my.

With Love and Respect,

Paul


OK, I found it, but when scrolling down the Cam home page, it can easliy be overlooked. It's only thin text and I think you'd agree that it should be shoulder-to-shoulder with Light Warriors, at least. Avalon is a magnificent community and bursting with love and first-hand information.

Happy Everythings to All

Paul

[Fredkc]

We are 15 days, since the change.

The place is already world's better than I thought it would get, 5 days after it opened up.

10 days in I could see the place calming down.

Over the weekend, the forum seemed back on track, or damned close. But that's just it. the place changed, so far, so good.

Given that;
T'would be interesting to see the posts per day numbers on 11/20 vs. 12/20. The place has certainly picked up in pace, and is settling down. Over all, this is a good thing.

Raven;
There has never been a link to the forums on Camelot's front page (I mean up in the top menu). There is one on Avalon's. I have always wondered about this myself, but it isn't a change, always been that way.

Fred

[Ravens and Doves]

Lol - not quite the sort of reply I was expecting - but no matter. Simply direct them to this link

http://projectavalon.net/forum

or if security is an issue for you, send them here:

https://projectavalon.net/forum (you have to allow an exception for the self-signed certificate)

A..

Anchor,

I just read your entire opening post and it's very spot on. Confucious returns saying "We are living interesting times..." Avalon reflect the challenging complexicty of these times. Dimplomacy of language is vital!!!!

Nameste

Paul

[viking]

It's Great to have you in the drivers seat Anchor...Absolutely spot on.

:thumb_yello:

viking

[Ammit]

I think for those of us who were here prior to the subscription will remember the community spirit we had. Things will always change and must for progression of any kind to take place.

This community spirit will return, albeit with a few new names and maybe some lost ones returning and some leaving, but, it will happen and will only take a little time.

Everyone can read the same line of text differently, we all have our own perception of what is being said as we all have our own minds. As long as this can be remembered and not attacked at dawn by misinterpretation, then all will be fine.

Peace to you all

Ammit

[Mark]

I love the fact that this forum has returned to it's original state. It means that I have my voice back here, for what it's worth, at long last. I never liked this forum going to a pay forum, I do understand the reasoning behind this, but to me, it was a change for the worse as we are trying to create new ways of being and money really should not be in our futures - nor plastic type cards or chips.

[Luminari]

Nice summary Anchor. Welcome all new members with open hearts and open minds, glad to have you here.
Its a bit of a mixed frequency bag as we all settle in to the recent changes, the symphony of our vibrations
intertwining into the harmonic resonant chord that is AVALON.
We all have an instrumental role in assisting each other here and in our communities gain deeper insights into the greater realities being played out on our beloved home- Earth.

http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww178/luminari_2009/Earth-Heart-in-space-500-gif.gif

[Mark]

Well said, Luminari...

[mudra]

Life is a continuous changing pattern . Moments of status quo come and go .
Change after status quo create seeming disorder but in fact it's a very
natural process . During these times of change we need to adapt ..
A truth that whas once suitable may not be working anymore to fit
the new scene. Finding our balance through chaotic times is a challenge
but as well an apportunity to put our wisdom into practice and to remember
that we are Love.
Knowing this we can work any situation into an harmonious one.

"When you are in the presence of your enemies, you know for a fact that any love you are able to feel is not because of external factors. You are not loving your adversary because of his kindness, or because you like the color of his eyes, or because you stand to profit by the encounter.

"In the presence of your enemies, you know that you are love . . . and the source of your love. That is the most important reason I told you to love your enemies--not for you to become weak or passive, not for you to be walked on, not for you to suffer, not for you to yield advantages to those who oppose you--but for you to learn that you are love. In knowing this, you gain command.

"Love commands the adamantine particles. Between you and anyone opposing you there are many shared particles. Now, of the two of you, which one is going to command them?"

from the book " Love without end " from Glenda Green

Love Always
mudra

[pyrangello]

The core of Avalon is alive and well and as the dynamics change a bit the core will maintain it's strength , I'd say between the moderators and Avalon members backing other Avalon members when a dark entity is making a claim on a thread we all have enough light collectively to repel the darkness. I felt that the other day.

[Tango]

Sad... I Think a mod will be leaving... I hope I can change the message I got,

I'm working on it... Something, having to do with too ' bright...' harch...

I have to figure it out...



Trooly,



Tango

[Céline]

Dear Forum Members,

The moderators have been challenged a lot since the site went back to its original format whereby a donation is not required in order to contribute.

The time and energy spent on this is greatly appreciated, may i add though that it was not only moderators that were challenged...challenge is a positive if we learn from it.

During the time the forum was subscription, its character changed. Groups formed up, new unwritten protocols came into being. Some amongst the members were so happy with this construct they took it upon themselves to defend it at all costs – even though there people were not moderators. Sometimes things got ugly – usually these issues all got sorted out peacefully and we all learned.

Love tends to create great passion, and from that comes loyalty...
(excuse me if i take a quote from a movie that i cannot remember the title of..)

Loyalty above everything, except Honor...

Perhaps in our passion to protect, we lost some honor..

Now the forum has opened its doors once more. These old dynamics and rules probably will not work anymore. The moderator team, its numbers enhanced will need to take over as they did before.

This is a positive opportunity because many people never wanted to pay to be able to express themselves in this way and felt that the whole money deal was a mistake. It doesn’t really matter now, it is what it is, and it is in the past.

Some of the moderator team are still on board from those early days. We remember how things went before and during the first transition.

What we must all realise it that this change is upon us again. Some of those little groups – protected in their enclave of co-operation between a broadly-speaking “closed groups” are like sandcastles: things of beauty, but they only last until the tide turns. Some however will survive - built on firmer foundations, cleverly designed and out of reach of those tides – and that will be down to the skill of their founders and contributors.

A good example (one among many) is the healing thread: No-one would have expected any disrespectful or off topic remarks on that thread – its kind of like stealing from a blind beggar. Now veiled accusations of hypocrisy can be made in that thread and they are entirely within the scope of the forum guidelines. If the moderators don’t act on this, then in the eyes of those with whom we enjoyed the peace and harmony of the subscriber model: we are protecting the "bad guys" - but they are not "bad guys" - they are other forum members.

i completely agree that some threads need to be protected more then others.. this is a skill we depend greatly on the moderators to be fair with.

In some cases, the behaviour of the moderators looked like we were rebuking those people who were railing against these changes. As it was so eloquently put by waitinginthewings, we were acting like the prosecution in a rape case – making the victims feel that it was their fault. To those people - it wasn’t your fault – we never meant to say that - I am sorry for my part in creating this impression.

You are not really victims. What happened was change – its here now - cant alter it. Change makes victims of us all if we let it. It is a choice. Everything resolves down to the choices we make and the degree to which we assume responsibility for those choices.

Some will now leave – tired of it all - I got the PM's already. Others won't leave, they will adapt and recognize the huge challenges of trying to keep their focus on harmony, amidst the increased levels of distraction and the changing culture of the site. To those that endure - I am honored to be able to share in this energy with you.


You truly connect with the collective Avalon energy, your post expresse both sides clearly and is filled with love. Thank you.

The norms and structures of that old world are now open to a new and diverse set of views and these are inevitably going to challenge the status quo and character of the forum.

I think it right that this process be allowed to proceed unimpeded.

Please let me know how you feel.

i feel more at peace here now, tho at first i felt threatened i recognized my own involvement and it immediately changed everything...

A..


My two cents... :original:

[Jacqui D]

I welcome change it changes things yes, not always for the bad reasons, things stagnate and need to be revitalised new people coming in, when things get heated it is a shame and when people get attacked it is senseless.
I always think it is better not to add fuel to fire so to speak and let that person who is attacking be ignored they go away eventually if they have no one to back up against they lose interest.

[orthodoxymoron]

The internet has something for everyone. Avalon was good pre-fee, fee, and post-fee. Everything has it's pros and cons. There are many right ways...and many wrong ways to do things. Avalon represents one of many right ways to handle controversial and difficult topics on a global...and possibly galactic scale. Better to fight it out on the internet than to engage in trench-warfare or star-wars. I keep thinking and saying that Avalon is sort of like an informal United Nations...and wouldn't it be cool if Avalon became an informal Galactic United Nations!

:original:Namaste:original:

[Dood]

I have noticed that everyone that posted in this thread has the ABILITY to PM, send Vistor Messages, and so forth.

So, I will speak for those that can't....since I cannot PM this: "When are we ALL going to be able to PM, send Visitor Messages, etc?"

Not ALL of us mis-used these...most do not so why is everyone that registers is then punished as if we have?

This is not a 'snarky post'. It is a dead honest post. It is 'My Thought' as the title says.

Thanks!

[micjer]

I would like to thank the moderators for their hard work over the past couple of weeks. It can be a thankless job being the judge at times. No matter what decision is made you will be loved on one side of the court and disliked on the other.


We all knew that there would be "interesting" times ahead when the fee was lifted, yet many acted surprised when it happened. Will 2012 be similar...who knows.

Change is good, although at first it may not be welcomed. Let's face it if everyone is more or less thinking along the same lines, do we really learn. From time to time we need to have our beliefs challenged to confirm our feelings. Spiritual and religious talks will fire people up quicker than anything.

Imagine someone crashing into a baptist church announcing Lucifer is the true God. Might get a reaction for a while too. There are ways of discussing topics that are productive. The minute it gets personal people get their backs up and becomes counter-productive.

Intentional disruption of the forum by certain individuals is very distracting, but is something we should all learn from. What is our reaction to this?
Do we take up arms and resist, agree with the comments, or just say "ya ok whatever!"


If we do this ....
http://i562.photobucket.com/albums/ss64/Micjer_2009/sheep.jpg

maybe we should ask ourselves .... why do I feel this way?

How do we feel towards Cheney , Bush et al. Are they here to actually help us see the polarity of this world? Or do you want them dead?

For those that have read the info from Hidden Hand. How do you feel about this?


This forum will be what we make it and I think we have the ship back on course. Maybe a few icebergs ahead but with our new moderator team at the controls we will make it through just fine.


Cheers!!

M.

[Scarab]

I would like to address this specifically. Not to cause argument or problem, but to clarify because the example was used specifically.

A good example (one among many) is the healing thread: No-one would have expected any disrespectful or off topic remarks on that thread – its kind of like stealing from a blind beggar. Now veiled accusations of hypocrisy can be made in that thread and they are entirely within the scope of the forum guidelines.

My post(s) were not a veiled accusation of hypocrisy. They were a challenge to 'put up or shut up'. If people here can actually heal, then I would say healing children with cancer would be far more noble than healing a forum friend with a stubbed toe. The point was "If you CAN heal, then DO it and DO it for people who NEED it". My challenge has gone unanswered.

As for 'stealing from a blind beggar'. If the beggar is neither blind nor poor, but pretending to be something he is not, then he is stealing from an unsuspecting populace and needs to be exposed.

[Tango]

When ONE show's they can be TRUSTED... Or, they GET Nothing from Me.


Tango

P.S. I have the ignore button pushed on members for there actions

So, I don't see when the perps. post...



I have noticed that everyone that posted in this thread has the ABILITY to PM, send Vistor Messages, and so forth.

So, I will speak for those that can't....since I cannot PM this: "When are we ALL going to be able to PM, send Visitor Messages, etc?"

Not ALL of us mis-used these...most do not so why is everyone that registers is then punished as if we have?

This is not a 'snarky post'. It is a dead honest post. It is 'My Thought' as the title says.

Thanks!

[Dood]

When ONE show's they can be TRUSTED... Or, they GET Nothing from Me.


Tango

All due respect...you do not KNOW me! Same for me KNOWING you.
So how can you prove ANYone can be 'trusted'?
By posting just for the sake of posting?
To me that is spam/trolling. It really does not prove anything...

I do most of my posting with members IN PM's.
This is how I and many others 'Network'.

[micjer]

I do most of my posting with members IN PM's.
This is how I am many others 'Network'.


???

Sorry this just strikes me as odd.

Why be on a public forum then?

[Dood]

???

Sorry this just strikes me as odd.

Why be on a public forum then?

I did not say I did not post but, I still do a lot of communication within PMs.
How is that ODD?
Some people do not like airing their personal lives in the 'open' so that is what a Private Message is for.
Contactees for example are leery of sharing 'too much' in the open forum.

This is also vBulletin where mutable PMs can be turned off.

Believe it or not I have been around THIS forum from it's beginnings. Do not let the start up date on this profile fool you.

[Tango]

We are Looking for Quality Not Quantity Posts; Respectfully...


Trooly,


Tango




All due respect...you do not KNOW me! Same for me KNOWING you.
So how can you prove ANYone can be 'trusted'?
By posting just for the sake of posting?
To me that is spam/trolling. It really does not prove anything...

I do most of my posting with members IN PM's.
This is how I and many others 'Network'.

[THE eXchanger]

YUP...DOOD, is one of the golden oldies around here ;)

[Dood]

Thank you Susan... :original:

@Tango: Ask 'Kathleen' about me if you want to know my QUALITY! :wink2:

[Scarab]

When ONE show's they can be TRUSTED... Or, they GET Nothing from Me.

Trusted with what?

[DoctorWho]

Dood, if you have a friend on here that can vouch for you to Anchor or Karen, you can be given full functions again. I did it for a friend of mine who joined up after the board went free again. And he is now running at full power.
Bill "the Doctor"

[no caste]

The Avelon banner is no longer on the Camelot home page and I can't find it anywhere. I just directed a bunch of high profile folks to Camelot to join Avalon and now.... oh, my.

I hope this gets sorted out.

With Love and Respect,

Paul

Ravens and Doves - Please let them know that the content on this forum is quite feisty, i.e. hidden knowledge, religion, political power, secret weapons programs, human rights, CIA, NSA, FBI, have chopped off hands for this kind of activity (Annie Mae Aquash), let alone government corruption news articles, which are shared and discussed on posts here.

There is all manner of reasons for people to attack this forum, but I have noticed that whenever there is a swell in interest, the forum usually has problems, e.g. at the time of conferences.

Your invitation probably caused the troubles today :lmfao:

People will just have to check back. That's what I do when it's down or having issues, even if I have to wait 4 days to post or comment here. If a site's having trouble like this, it speaks to its [well, fill in the blank]. Who knows. That's what half of what this site is about anyway: figuring out who knows.

[Dantheman62]

Dood, if you have a friend on here that can vouch for you to Anchor or Karen, you can be given full functions again. I did it for a friend of mine who joined up after the board went free again. And he is now running at full power.
Bill "the Doctor"



I'll vouch for Dood anyday!

[Dood]

Thank you Dan...That was very kind!

Another member 'vouched' for me too last week and nothing came of it though.
This member that vouched for me is a decent person and I will withhold this persons name out of respect...

[Peace of mind]

I think it’s very important for everyone to express themselves. There are real issues to deal with outside of this forum, so if you can’t handle opinions on the net then you may very well be part of the problem.

Peace

[burgundia]

so I'll vouch for you too..i hope they will read it here....

I am still not able to comprehend that some new December arrivals are granted "the purple colour" immediately. I could give here a lot of examples...

[Surial]

Change is constant. When hands are placed in the sand we are all part of that whole, yet we tend to see if we can find a beautiful shell. Find what resonates with you to determine a productive response. If you find a post that is offensive or disagrees with you, do not respond. The forum would flow much smoother if we all take more responsibility with our communication.

Although, yes, there are few that do have loyalty and defense for others because we are part of a family. It is always good to allow the new energies to flow through and open the gates to those that also are a potential great addition to our community.

As far as trolls, they always seem to loom and destroy many sand castles in their path. This is their nature. But if you are a spirit this castle can respond to a new beauty reforming yet back again even taller even stronger as before.

The most important concept to consider is the reason you are here in the first place. Use this as your centered energy. We all have a different aspect of the Creator. Whether it be negative or positive, it is the lessons and the wisdom that we gain that make us who we are as individuals and a community. We will continue our journey regardless of our presence here at Avalon.

But what you take with you is a better understanding of yourself and your purpose of being here now in your life Journey.

[Antaletriangle]

I have noticed that everyone that posted in this thread has the ABILITY to PM, send Vistor Messages, and so forth.

So, I will speak for those that can't....since I cannot PM this: "When are we ALL going to be able to PM, send Visitor Messages, etc?"

Not ALL of us mis-used these...most do not so why is everyone that registers is then punished as if we have?

This is not a 'snarky post'. It is a dead honest post. It is 'My Thought' as the title says.

Thanks!

I agree Dood,it's all about equality,i feel there should be no eschelons,when these arise there are always problems somewhere down the line-surely this is what we on here are all about;levelling the playing field generally from disclosure of black,secret projects;equality an all.How can this be accomplished when in our own backyard there are priveleges to various members-time to give everyone back their equal rights.
I am not having a dig simply voicing a free view. I Hope everyone is soon able to have this luxury.
Get the place 'back on track' as was quoted earlier.
Thanks for reading.

[Tango]

Well.... Sponsor him Susan.... If you trust him Step Up... You are sooo

respected here, contact a mod and bring him aboard... Watch him...

Hell... I Love you Susan... Do a Sponsor.


Trooly,


Tango



YUP...DOOD, is one of the golden oldies around here ;)

[no caste]

so I'll vouch for you too..i hope they will read it here....

I am still not able to comprehend that some new December arrivals are granted "the purple colour" immediately. I could give here a lot of examples...

Burgundia, I am getting tired of this. Status this, status that, new, old. Has it occurred to you that it is elitist? It makes no sense.

[Tango]

Remember we had a guy: Lenny Cravets... [Not real name] they came in here

posted like 160 times in a week... Even wanted a pity Party when he left...

Thought he was a Master.... There was S*** all ovr the walls...


Tango






Burgundia, I am getting tired of this. Status this, status that, new, old. Has it occurred to you that it is elitist? It makes no sense.

[Northern Boy]

Yes the Dood has waited longer then many of those that were trouble and recieved the extras that go with membership there are several here now who have posted nothing or shared anything of value and mostly tried to stir the pot that have them. Dood should have them by now as he is a former member and Mod here I`ll vouch for him as well

[Moxie]

Any problem that I have had is about keeping up with the burst of new threads, all of which I like to check out.

It's exasperating for me as it's a full time job, but I am happy for all the new voices.

The thread starter would have worked just fine being an announcement only from the mods without the invitation for discussion... for soon, what? there is upset. Oh well.

[THE eXchanger]

and, then ANT

- if it wasn't for Antaletriangle

we would NEVER have had the range in topics

NOT in a MILLION YEARS

he presented them, without bias

always - well researched

and, he did it, with integrity

and, he did it, without fighting with anyone

and, he did it, night/and, day

if there is one person

~ who deserves the

THE ROUND" AWARD

for being, the most well rounded person, in 2008

i'd say it's Antaletriangle

does, anyone second that motion ??? :thumb_yello:

You know, looking back

without Antaletriangle -

this place,

would NEVER have rocked it, and, rolled it, as, it did !!!

He was one power, behind Bill and, Kerrie,
and, the rest of us, who was relentess, in his search for truth
he was up, night and day,

we know, cause oft times,
he kept up our spirits
by putting some oil, on our wick,
and, sparking us, when, the light grew dim

(or, telling us, to pour ourselves, a good stiff drink, and, laugh !!! )

when he left - not only we missed him, everyone missed him

he was one power, behind, a huge force of folks,
that made PA/and, PC what it is today

as, for 2009

maybe, we should nominate the top 13 posters
as, winners, of The Round of 2009

(and, please, due to my own - falling out of round,
and, deleting many posts ~ i should NOT be considered, to be upon that list

(although, there is a reason why it happened)
and, i do NOT wish, to go into that publically)

although, it would be nice, to say,
Susan / The eXchanger, birthed/or founded the idea,
of THE ROUND AWARD !!!

something, perhaps, for us to ponder

THE ROUND AWARD for 2008 - GOES to Antaletriangle

do we have any 2nds/and, 3rds ???

and, a MOD to carry a motion ???

[Tango]

I'll Second that.....



Trooly,


Tango

[THE eXchanger]

AND, who will THIRD IT !!! ???

:TRUMPET: :TRUMPET:

[Dood]

Antaletriangle is a solid guy...(I will withhold his first name)
Always thinking of others even when he has faced some hard 'Real Life' problems of his own.
He is better then any 'Search Engine' I could ever find. :original:

And he is a overall Good Soul!:smoke:

[THE eXchanger]

on the topic of threads
~ we need to get a lot of them,
and, start WEAVING together

PA/PC is the place
where knowledge,
meets beauty/energy, and, CAN eXpress its power ~ as LOVE

[THE eXchanger]

see 'good dood' always comes through !!!

:thumb_yello::thumb_yello::thumb_yello:

eXchanger - Tango - Dood

declare

Antaletriangle

THE ROUND" AWARD ~ 2008

has been given 'iN SPiRiT"

for being,

the most well rounded person, in 2008

iN Avalon, and, in Camelot !!!

NOW we need a moderator - to pull it round :mfr_lol:

[Bobbie]

I was a member before there was a charge but then let it drop because I'd never heard of paying to participate in a forum. After I went to the Awake and Aware Conference in Burbank, I was so inspired that I decided to make the donation and join for a whole year - 3 months later the forum was opened to the public. I'm not asking for my money back but it was a bit of a shock to say the least. I'm not bitchin' - I'm just sayin.

We are all adult intelligent human beings seeking the truth without going too far down that rabbit whole to find it. I don't think we need to go that deep to find the truth - we know it can be cold, dank, and very muddy and merky at the bottom. :original:

[THE eXchanger]

on the topic of DOOD,
he most definitely,
is like The PM / or The Positive Master of PM land
(hiding in the background)
popping up a message, when things, got out of hand
as, time, and, time again,
he did, come to the aid, of many people,
who needed a leg up,
or, some positive reinforcement
that's why we always affectionaly referred to him
as, "good dood"

kind of like our eXpression "good god"
which created a few laughs, back in the 90's
if you never checked out
www.soulwise.net ~ Gee Whiz, has a site over there
that could keep you busy, for the next 11 years

ahh ~ a special day today ~ the start of winter

21/12 in 11 that's a 33/11 !!!

[THE eXchanger]

any money donated/or given to Bill and Kerrie, always goes to a good cause

Maybe, it's a good time, for those, who haven't yet given anything this year,
to do so ;)

[waitinginthewings]

Antelatriange, PeaceandLove, 777TheGreatWork (did I get that right?) all regular great posters with quality posts.

In fairness to "all" other members though, not everyone has the ability or interest in being a "researcher" but still can contribute good, varied and interesting posts from their own life experiences, education and so on. It is these posters that add some spice to the researchers work. My gratitude goes to all the respectul posters/members both new and old who contribute to the harmony and wellbeing of this community.

[Dantheman62]

AND, who will THIRD IT !!! ???

:TRUMPET: :TRUMPET:



I'll third it! :original:

[burgundia]

I'll third it! :original:

Can i say in English: "I'll fourth it?"...:lol3:

[Anchor]

YUP...DOOD, is one of the golden oldies around here ;)


Golden Oldie I like it.

Yeah we know, and now I finally got around to doing something about it :)

A..

[micjer]

My apologies Dood,

You and I have never really met. Some of us are a little paranoid on who is lurking these days.

So you are kinda like a secret santa pm'ing folks in need are you. Well that is a good thing! :thumb_yello:

Cheers!

M.

[Shairia]

We are Looking for Quality Not Quantity Posts; Respectfully...


Trooly,


Tango

Okay, what exactly is a "quality" post and who decides? It seems to me that any post that is sincere/respectful to the forum community would qualify, or maybe I'm assuming too much?

[THE eXchanger]

Okay, what exactly is a "quality" post and who decides? It seems to me that any post that is sincere/respectful to the forum community would qualify, or maybe I'm assuming too much?

it looks like, you got it,
a post that is sincere and, respectful
and, like all the other ones, you have been sharing with us
have some thoughts/and, values ~ related to truth
and, that have solutions - and, soul-utions in them

[Karen]

Thank you Dan...That was very kind!

Another member 'vouched' for me too last week and nothing came of it though.
This member that vouched for me is a decent person and I will withhold this persons name out of respect...

One has to take the vouching to PM, email, or skype - because if you just post it on the forum - I can barely keep up with one thread now let alone all posts. (never could keep up with all posts.)

[Shairia]

Thank you for your reply exchanger.

What is this vouch system? This is the first I've heard of it? I know there have been many problems here but this seems like an extreme measure. How can a forum be open if you need someone to vouch for you to gain full member privaledges?

[Karen]

Thank you for your reply exchanger.

What is this vouch system? This is the first I've heard of it? I know there have been many problems here but this seems like an extreme measure. How can a forum be open if you need someone to vouch for you to gain full member privaledges?

A new "member" made it through our screening process and before we could stop them had spammed in PM to 43 people ... a full-on sex act porn video. The opening shot was a still - but we lost at least one member over that.

And that is where this new system of senior members came from ... you can thank a porn spammer for that. Now new members are limited in the number of PMs they can send, until they reach 30 days or 50 posts (or whatever it is now, as we keep refining it.)

I objected to that solution for dealing with the problem, so the number of PMs was bumped from 0 to 6 or maybe it is 15 now. Gareth knows.

[Shairia]

Wow! I had no idea. Thank you for explaining that to me. Had anyone though about maybe an option to the PM system allowing the recipient to decide wheather to open a PM? Especially if they don't know the member sending it to them? Just a suggestion but it sounds like a more interactive solution.

[Tango]

I like the sponsorship

[14 Chakras]

Any idea what's up with the thread voting buttons? It seems once one person votes on them, no one else can, so they are pretty useless at this point representing one persons opinion only it appears.

[Myra]

I agree Dood,it's all about equality,i feel there should be no eschelons,when these arise there are always problems somewhere down the line-surely this is what we on here are all about;levelling the playing field generally from disclosure of black,secret projects;equality an all.How can this be accomplished when in our own backyard there are priveleges to various members-time to give everyone back their equal rights.
I am not having a dig simply voicing a free view. I Hope everyone is soon able to have this luxury.
Get the place 'back on track' as was quoted earlier.
Thanks for reading.

So happy to see you are back Antaletriangle!:welcomeani:

[hollylindin]

Burgundia, I am getting tired of this. Status this, status that, new, old. Has it occurred to you that it is elitist? It makes no sense.

:thumb_yello: What I thought, too, No Caste.

I think it may have more to do with when one signed up. I've been a member since August (lurking before that for about four or so months!), but I was never on a paying subscription. If they're basing it upon how long somebody has had a registration here, period, then I could see why my name would be "Senior" and mauve.

<3

[Anchor]

We had to find a way of automatically curtailing the abuse of newly enrolled accounts. It is not about our view of a persons worth or any arbitary judgements.

A..

[Dood]

One has to take the vouching to PM, email, or skype - because if you just post it on the forum - I can barely keep up with one thread now let alone all posts. (never could keep up with all posts.)

Well that member did PM another staff member. Which one I have no idea.
BTW: It was Majorian that 'vouched' for me.
I did nominate him for a Mod position here.
I think he would be a good one even though I never asked him if he was even interested in it... :tongue2:

Here is an Idea. Remember it is ONLY an idea....nothing more.
Set up a sticky for 'White Members' (hehe...lack of a better term)
That way they can speak and it would be easily seen by anyone. Especially staff. Also, other members can 'see' if someone they know is online now.
Because there is no way for a White New Member to reach staff other then the Admin Email (I tried that) or Reporting a post.
Now I almost reported one of my own posts knowing it would send out an email to all staff.

Also I am pretty certain you can 'Turn Off' the multiple PM feature so no members can spam PMs.
Or you can make another User Group that allows older members to still use multiple PMs and new White Members can only PM one at a time...
For those that do not know what User Group means is that we all are in a User Group. Mods have there own.
What it really entails is X amount of permissions allowed for each user group.
For example Red Mods have a lot of permissions, then Yellow Mods have less permissions and my guess is the Yellow ones cannot delete posts.
However, it is all based on how the Admins set them up.
vBulletin is very versatile. I like vB because you can do so much with it.

Also can the PM amounts be kicked up? 50 PMs is really 25 PMs if you take in account saving PMs to your outbox like I do.
(The Saved PM is 'counted as a PM' so you only have 1/2 of the total)
That way I can remember what was previously said in an older PM.
Make sense? I can fill that up in a short amount of time.
I figure the Admins have 2K PMs, Reds have 1000-1500 PMs, and the Yellows have 500 PMs to work with.
So asking for 200 PMs is not that much of a deal I would think...
Downloading them and starting over is a pain. Not near as easy to read back when one is on the fly so to speak. ;)

@micjer: Its ALL good. :smoke: No hard feelings here. Yer OK...I will vouch for you! :naughty:

EDIT: Oops..I forgot to thank the staff for making me a Minnesota Viking!
Many will not understand that reference. Many will! It is from the 1970's-80's. Think NFL! ;)

[SuperManny]

I'm sure these things will iron themselves out with a little help from our super team of mods.:original:

Let me take this opportunity to say a huge "THANK YOU!!" to Anchor and all the rest of the gang!:thumb_yello:

[Shairia]

I wish someone would post exactly what the criteria for being able to PM is. I was not able to. It appears the original proposal has changed. Do I have to be a member for a minimum of thrity days regardless of their post count? I do not like the idea of just posting for the sake of gaining privaledges and I fear that is what will happen.

ps: I think the moderators have had their hands full of late and are doing a wnderful job dealing with the changes and subsequent problems. I've noticed a remarkable change on the forum, save a few exceptions.

[Anchor]

Shairia - I will vouch for you :)

I assume you know where your towel is?

A..

[Shairia]

Thank you. No, I'll have to go and buy a new one.:original:

[Karen]

Any idea what's up with the thread voting buttons? It seems once one person votes on them, no one else can, so they are pretty useless at this point representing one persons opinion only it appears.

Most things get abused. Someone was handing out 1 star ratings. So I think it was disabled.