The smoking gun NASA a Fraud Proof Of Life On Moon

[Philbert]

This is real footage from Apollo 11

Learn about the true nature of N.A.S.A. Nasa had discovered that the Earths Moon was inhabited when they viewed the first images sent back from Ranger 7 in 1964. Ranger 7 sent back over 4000 images showing life on the Moon. Nasa is a branch of the United States Military Air Force. Going to the moon in 1969 was not to land on the Moon. It was for Military observation, documentation and study of the highly advanced intelligence that resides on the Moon. The Apollo Program was created to pacify public interest in the Moon and the solar system and take their mind off the current phenomenon of that time.

This presentation breaks the debunkers back.
The information in these videos shows undeniable proof that N.A.S.A and the United States Military as well as some other countries have knowledge that the Moon is inhabited. This is why they have never been back.

This video will also provide reasonable understanding that the recent Lunar Crater Observation and Sensing Satellite (LCROSS) was another hoax only to cover the endless lies that Nasa has been feeding the public since their birth.

The Lunar Crater Observation and Sensing Satellite (LCROSS) supposed live footage had defects in the footage #1 It appeared as though it was an image of craters loaded into photo shop and zoomed in.
#2. Viewers did not see rocket/bomb in front of the satellite camera.
#3. There was no obvious explosion or impact on the supposed camera that followed the explosive tool.
#4. Nasa told the public prior to the impact, that the plume could be observed through telescopes.
#5. Fact not one observatory recorded the impact plume.
Nasa has always operated with this type of trickery.
See the truth in these 3-4 presentations then I dare anyone who don't want to believe what is being told here to download the original and do the research. These presentations show that the Apollo missions encountered many Ufos. They also show the evidence that Nasa uses Hollywood style movie tricks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yQKRQO3CfFw


Part 2 the Nasa Deception - Evidence of Life On The Moon Breaking the Skeptics Backs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2NQl42261U
Just some things I have found in my research of the original released footage by Nasa.
Super imposing astronauts or equipment into real footage or an image of the Moon.
They have been using “green screens” before Hollywood began using them for special effects.
Nasa Jpl started using it for super imposing Astronauts into actual film footage of the Moon,
the color used when faking the footage was closer to yellow or off white.
I have found that much of the film footage of the astronauts walking on the moon is actually live film footage with the astronauts super imposed over it.
You can find this out in most cases by obtaining the best quality footage first.
Then open it into a video enhancement program.
Slow the section down that is suspected to be faked.
By slowing the footage down between 200% and 400% you are able to see many ufos.

Nasa Techniques
used in concealing
the truth

-Trick photography
-Lenses with
-more curve
(fish Eye lens)
-Cutting off horizons
-False colors
-Low contrast
-High white light

I will be posting more of my research when I get it compiled.

If you don’t want to do the school work, why go to school. Many will not want to accept what they see with their own eyes, only because they believe the lie and are in denial. The evidence is undeniable.

[mntruthseeker]

Thanks for sharing these tapes..............I love the way its slowed down and we can see what is being described.

[Orion11]

looks decent so far!, Nice,
thanks, and Welcome here. :)

Ill go through all this thoroughly once Sol rises again.
for now... to Dreamworld.. lol

now i am subscribed though. :thumb_yello:

Blessings, Nice to have you! :wub2:

[TRANCOSO]

Bulls eye, Philbert!
Your first post & already you have one outspoken fan!
Although this can radically change with your next post, because - as we say in TV Land - You're As Good As Your Last Show!, or Post, in this case. :mfr_lol:

Anyway, cool stuff!

[TruthWillSetUFree]

That was amazing footage WOW Thank you for sharing.

I believe NASA/military are also using chemtrails to hide what they are doing in space.

One morning just a few months ago I woke up around 4 AM, I remember it was windy.

I thought to myself how loud it seemed outside and couldn't believe it would be from the wind, so I opened even though it was pretty cold.

The noise above the heavy cloud cover was unlike anything I have ever heard

I can only liken it to maybe a hundred or so helicopters, but even stranger than that. It lasted far longer than it would take for say a few helicopters to go overhead. I remember it lasting for a good 10 minutes or so. All the time I kept wondering, what is that and what are they doing up there?

I had a strong sense that whatever it was they did not want it seen by anyone.

[Donny]

Nice information Philbert, thankyou for shareing.

[Reader]

Hey Philbert, nice work. Any ideas as to who these et's are ?

[Peace of mind]

cool...thanks

here's Fox news discussing disclosure,
yes, a very unlikely source...imo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQgF4zzfQKQ

Peace

[Majorion]

It goes way beyond just the Moon.

Life exists everywhere in the Solar System, everywhere in the Universe.

How this is covered up? .. ridicule, suppression, lies, discrediting the most prominent figures associated with exposing this cover up.

[Ravens and Doves]

Hey Philbert, nice work. Any ideas as to who these et's are ?

Personally, and it pains me to say this, but compared to some older space shuttle smoking guns, those moon shots are the weakest eveidence I've seen so far on Avelon. I used to work with celluloid and all kinds of specks would appear from one (piec of dust mangified) to several frames (fiber or human hair or?) until it's knocked away by air movement cause by the flickering shutter or other disturbace. The was true for vide tape in those days, too.

Ket's just cut to the case. I've seen day light disc with my own two, sober lying eyes (along with countless witnesses - read "UFOs Over Topanga Canyon" by Preston Dennet - Topanga is near Santa Monica... it's just half of went on above the L.A. skies).

Now THIS is a smoking gun!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH9eZ60Jjrw&feature=PlayList&p=AEE55B1FC5703CE3&index=40

One two-bit debunker says "there's no movement in the trees." Right now, I look out my window and the branches are saying, does that mean I have fake trees? Ohters have ointed out the causual reaction of the woman. In 1994 some of us were so desensitized by all the sighting that the reaction was not "OH MY GOD! IT'S A FLYING SAUCER!!!! HELP!!!" (I know of one fellow who did loose it) but more like "Cool! That's a beutiful one!"

Got to go.

Paul

[Philbert]

Personally, and it pains me to say this, but compared to some older space shuttle smoking guns, those moon shots are the weakest eveidence I've seen so far o[QUOTE=Ravens and Doves;213057]Personally, and it pains me to say this, but compared to some older space shuttle smoking guns, those moon shots are the weakest evidence I've seen so far on Avalon.

In reply to your statement the direct significance of this particular sequence of footage is to document the historical implications. This is just a piece of the entire picture, but a large piece.

In fact anyone who will take time to seriously ponder the footage using some reasoning can analyze the objects and see they are clearly coming from the moon. Clearly enough to anyone applying simple reasoning can see that these are not dust or hairs on the film. These are objects that where with out a single doubt in my mind filmed while near the moon. I mean come on I understand that some of the zoom are not very clear, but a single square pixel that is going to move across the footage, come up from the moon and lands on the Command Module is not a defect in the film or hair or scratch.
Also defects in film will not constantly through 300 frames, depict structures on the surface, obvious flying objects, objects that clearly get larger as they come closer to view and smaller as they go away or fade because they are moving so fast.
If we do the math, we have many very unusual things going on in the film.
#1. Objects that appear to be real moving up to and around the command module,
#2. Objects that appear to be structures and buildings on the surface of the moon.
#3. Objects that appear to come up and land on the command module it two sections of this footage.
#4.Evidence of a manufactured fake horizon,
#5. Evidence of too little contrast in the released footage from NASA.
Putting these all together and with a little study and homework they add up to a huge cover up.
Yes many other evidences are out there that also are beginning to weigh in heavy on the big picture.


Many false presentations are out also. I did watch the video link you had posted here, and as much as this is going to hurt it has to be said. Many false video of U.F.Os have been created using cgi.
Another thing is that the video you posted shows a definite phenomenon in the footage that can not be identified. But the sad thing is that it has no credibility. It is a video shot by citizen here on earth.
That could be a government experiment or technology that was caught on the film in your link.

Remember false flags are used here on the people to confuse.


As far as a smoking gun I can see no smoke. The smoke on the other hand seen in the NASA deception footage can be traced back to a source that is real - NASA.
The way I see it, Nasa has shot themselves in the leg, and soon to shoot their other limbs off as soon as more people put the undeniable evidence together from Nasas own footage.

Trust me there is plenty to put together, just not many people can work with the film archives.

Another thing I would like to say is that I did not compile and post this footage of the nasa deception series for fame or fortune or popularity, I am doing this because these things are important for everyone to hear, even if they don’t believe in them.

Sorry your posted video link is just not a smoking gun to me there just is no smoke to follow.



I used to work with celluloid and all kinds of specks would appear from one (piece of dust magnified) to several frames (fiber or human hair or?) until it's knocked away by air movement cause by the flickering shutter or other disturbance. The was true for video tape in those days, too.

Sorry but I need to address this also. The characteristics you explain do not hold any water with at least 6-10 anomalies that appear in the Apollo footage that seem to defy this explanation you have given. Things such as I stated before, that are flying outside around the Command Module and then landing on it or stopping next to it and them returning to the moon surface. Again these defects you talk about, specks dust, fibers, hair will not appear continually like flying objects or structures on the moon either. Unless you have some really contaminated film footage that these things could build up and create look alikes. But then I still doubt that specs, dust, fibers and hair even if they had a chance to build up in an area of the footage, would precisely track along with known real object in the footage, as though they are real objects captured in the film footage themselves.


Ket's just cut to the case. I've seen day light disc with my own two, sober lying eyes (along with countless witnesses - read "UFOs Over Topanga Canyon" by Preston Dennet - Topanga is near Santa Monica... it's just half of went on above the L.A. skies).


Again the things you claim to have seen could be of government projects.

The NASA film Archives are important evidences that open up a totally different story than what tradition has told us.

We can look at footage of U.F.Os from all across the world, but the question remains in this day who is the intelligence operating the craft, off planet beings or government.

I believe strongly that the important answers are hidden in the NASAs own Work, displayed for everyone to investigate for themselves. Giving the assurance of their source also.

That is why I am going to post footage I recently compiled again from Nasa own files.

Oh by the way Jaxa is Japans Space agency, But in fact they are in bed with NASA. You can check out some of the images from jaxa website and find that they also display the Nasa Logo in images and on their uniforms.

Here are the latest smoking guns.


Jaxa Japans space agency deceptions proof of life on the Moon Released today World News Now
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOQXWXTPsFU

Breaking News Japan Space Agency Announces The Proof Of Civilization On Earths Moon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVBYUE-1Npc


Real Alien encounters Apollo 11 Crew Must see Undeniable Proof Of Life On The Moon
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5HExSkAzR8

[Philbert]

I agree 1000% with this Majorion, I have investigated many satellite images of mars, venis, jupiters moon and have found signs of inhabitants. Structures and buildings.
Please feel free to look over the images I have posted at this webpage below. You will find images from Nasa satellites that show the evidence of life on mars, humans, vehicles, animals, housing, structures.


http://oursolarsystemthetruthishere.webs.com/
:thumb_yello:

[THE eXchanger]

doesn't John Leer get into that ???
if so, http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16128
i'll put a link to this thread, also, from that thread too ;)

[Dantheman62]

[QUOTE=Ravens and Doves;213057]Personally, and it pains me to say this, but compared to some older space shuttle smoking guns, those moon shots are the weakest eveidence I've seen so far on Avelon.



I agree with Ravens and Doves, kind of, I would say that it's not the weakest evidence I've seen, but it's definitly not the "smoking gun" LOL

I don't think as of yet that JAXA has admitted to the so called proof.

And yes eXchanger, John Lear is into it, but it's like following Richard Hoagland, or as I call him, "Richard Hoaxland", where Hoaxland says "see that bump over there next to that other bump?, it's a bridge, and it's 10 miles long!" LOL

Next!

[Majorion]

but it's like following Richard Hoagland, or as I call him, "Richard Hoaxland", where Hoaxland says "see that bump over there next to that other bump?, it's a bridge, and it's 10 miles long!" LOL


Hey buddy, I was under the impression this wasn't a debunker website.

I've seen hundreds of artists like yourself call Richard a hoaxer, and while his views are undoubtedly controversial and open to discussion, I've never seen him hoax anyone with anything.

If it weren't for Richard, people would never have looked into this in the first place.

Unless you have something more substantial to offer, I suggest you keep your ignorant comments to yourself.

[Dantheman62]

Hey buddy, I was under the impression this wasn't a debunker website.

I've seen hundreds of artists like yourself call Richard a hoaxer, and while his views are undoubtedly controversial and open to discussion, I've never seen him hoax anyone with anything.

If it weren't for Richard, people would never have looked into this in the first place.

Unless you have something more substantial to offer, I suggest you keep your ignorant comments to yourself.




OK, actually you're right about Hoagland, he's not a hoaxer and is an extremely intelligent person, but he's got an imagination that's running rampant!
I shouldn't have used the "Hoaxland" comment because it's really not true and is an inside joke anyway. So I retract that!
Oh, and I'm not your buddy, I'm not an artist, and I'm not ignorant, just very well grounded and very tired of looking at blurry/fuzzy pictures that people are calling proof!

[Majorion]

Oh, and I'm not your buddy, I'm not an artist, and I'm not ignorant, just very well grounded and very tired of looking at blurry/fuzzy pictures that people are calling proof!

Since apparently you've appointed yourself the evaluator of evidence here, why don't you first demonstrate your standards of proof before evaluating others? Only fair wouldn't you agree? bring about your own evidence first, then you can speak of standards.

Interesting the hypocrisy here, first you condemn the man, then retract the statement, when Hoagland had nothing to do with this topic anyway, there was no mention of him in the first place.

[Dantheman62]

hmmm, no thanks! I'm not playing the "who's evidence is better" game. Have I got pictures? sure, are they better than those blurry videos that are supposedly "proof of life on the moon" sure.

Standards? It really doesn't take much to see what's what in a picture or video, just open eyes.

I retracted the statement because it's true that he's not a hoaxer!
Like I said, it's an inside joke, and it doesn't matter here (for those that are Hoagland followers).

I mentioned him because it 'does' have something to do with this thread as far as "proof of life on the moon", as Hoagland is claiming similar things!

Smile Majorion!

[Majorion]

hmmm, no thanks! I'm not playing the "who's evidence is better" game. Have I got pictures? sure, are they better than those blurry videos that are supposedly "proof of life on the moon" sure.

Thank you for establishing you haven't a shred of credibility on this matter.

Ironic you get all uncomfortable. Scrutiny works both ways.

[Dantheman62]

Uncomfortable? Where do you get that?
You don't know me, I'm far from uncomfortable, LOL
In fact I'm very comfortable knowing that I'm not a Hoagland follower, or that I'm not following these videos as proof of life on the moon! LOL
We all know NASA's a fraud, (or should know by now), but these videos aren't proof of anything except that some people will bite down hard on this ****!
hmmm, seems I might know you though, as you sound very familiar to someone who used to be on this forum, hmmm
That's ok, keep being a follower, I hope they lead you in the right direction, LOL

[taomation]

I must agree with Ravens and Doves. I have also done a fair amount of film restoration and these could easily be dirt specs. If there were life on the moon (and I am not saying that there isn't) I doubt they would send up twenty ships up to do recon and if they did, they would probably hover for a while to check things out. The ships may be fast, but unless they are insect people there reaction time wouldn't be much different than ours.

But I also feel that the "smoking gun" that Ravens and Doves gives could easily be those man made laterns. I have never heard of or seen evidence of this type of craft.

The "smoking gun" is a ship for all to see or your own experience. Mexico has had much better evidence than either of these examples.

I am not trying to put anyone down, but we have to rise to a higher standard. Film is a deceptive medium and if it is a film or video medium the example must be obvious and be able to hold up under scientific scrutiny...

[Philbert]

It is unfortunate that you did not understand my reply explaining the smoking gun. The smoking gun is intended not about the Ufos the unidentifiables in images. The smoking gun is about NASA and their lies.
You may have images that you think are real U.F.Os, but as I said before, many of these images showing unidentified objects photographed here on earth by the average person does not carry as much weight as a space agency proofs of image manipulations, along with anomalies that appear to defy the common sense theory’s. Defying common conceptions

When you have a Smoking Gun the smoke
can be seen coming from the barrel of the tool. In the case of the Nasa Moon footage there is more smoke rising than most U.F.O images declared to be taken here on earth.

Many Images of U.F.Os are more probably real phenomenon that is unidentified objects moving capered on the photo. There are also many video footage from citizens that looks to be real also. I believe that at least 50% of them are real. But in the same respect I cannot prove them or disprove them because there just is not any smoke that can be followed to prove them. Understand now I am not saying any of them are false. They just cannot be traced to a credible source. Just like the videos I posted, I could not expect anyone here to believe me because I say these are substantial proof. The footage source does that for me. As I said, anyone can reproduce the results that I got with official footage from an agency that has been in space, photographed the moon anomalies and objects flying through the air defying logic. But the logic involved here is a knowledge curve. The information given in the Apollo presentation establishes a who=what=when=where=and why. The who is Nasa- the where is outer space near the moon. When is 1969 ,The what is Structures on the moon surface and flying objects- the why is because of a cover up. Show me a photo that holds these characteristics in proof. Then you will have smoke rising from the source.

Sorry but this area has been played like a game of chess for so many years. The truth is beginning to be evident all across the world.
I believe strongly in many things that John Lear and Richard Hoagland have said. Using empty accusations to discredit these people gives me the interpretation that some are of little knowledge while others don't need to stoop to the level of slander.
Many never consider that these men have risked everything to bring out what they have come to know. Sure they may not know it all but they hold a piece of the truth.

Sorry again but the Nasa footage sums it up for me. The smoke is pouring out of the nasa guns, nasa has shot themselves in the leg and will continue to do so until their fall. Plain and simple.

If you walk into a drug store that is has been robbed, two men are standing with guns, the store owner has been shot, the man on the left holding a gun has smoke pouring out of his barrel, the man on them right has no smoke coming out of his barrel. Now you know you just heard one gun shot before you walked in. Who do you think shot the store owner?

Its simple Who-what-where-when-why. Any evidence that can stand up to this is evidence..

Again I’m not trying to say that these videos I posted are any better in quality than yours images, but they will hold up themselves. Can you say that for your images?

When I posted these here I did not say these are the best evidence ever.
I simply said there is lots of smoke coming from a real source.

I feel it was very inappropriate to mention John Lear or Richard Hoagland in a degrading way. Your smoothness is bringing them to this thread only tells me you have no credibility here as you have already been warned.

If I was in your shoes and was serous about finding the truth and posted what you did about these two men. I would be begging the Moderator to remove my inappropriate remarks.

It was just simply unjustified to smear their research and knowledge.
If I have said anything inappropriate here I ask the moderator to remove my remarks and inform me of my mistake so I can become a better informer rather than the misinformed.

Sorry if I seem a little bitter but that is the way I feel at this point and time when all I am here to do as many are, is to find the answers to many unsolved questions.

Being aboard a boat and seeing that it is taking on water, It Is my obligation to myself as well as those around me to search for the leak. If I signal falsely the place of the leak I waste the important time needed to fix the leak. Therefore I have made myself a victim of my own lie.

Folks the truth is out there and you will find that it don’t need to be propped up with uncertainty.

[Dantheman62]

OK, I understand what you're saying now. Again my comment about Hoagland is an inside joke like I said and I retracted it. He is very intelligent and a leader of this type of investigation.

The thing is, is that I've known about NASA (Never A Straight Answer) for years.
I've known about the NASA fraud that you speak of for years now.

I'll post some pictures to prove I know what I'm talking about, since I must prove my credibility, LOL


Enhanced pics:
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/615/roveroppsol950b.jpg (http://www.anonym.to/?http://img30.imageshack.us/i/roveroppsol950b.jpg/)

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/4479/roveroppsol950c.jpg (http://www.anonym.to/?http://img43.imageshack.us/i/roveroppsol950c.jpg/)

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/9604/roveroppsol950a.jpg (http://www.anonym.to/?http://img43.imageshack.us/i/roveroppsol950a.jpg/)

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/all/1/n/950/1N212516144EDN76ACP1585L0M1.HTML


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCzsu6sj988


Anything from this guy... Martyn Stubbs (secretnasaman)
http://www.youtube.com/user/secretnasaman



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW78l1tOj14




I'll dig up some more when I get time, as there's a ton of stuff out there.

[Dantheman62]

You've probably seen these...


http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon7/Clementine/Sample002.gif (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon7/Clementine/Sample002.gif)



http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon7/Clementine/Sample001.gif (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon7/Clementine/Sample001.gif)


Obvious air brushing!...

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon7/Clementine/Sample003.gif (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon7/Clementine/Sample003.gif)


There is one object in this image that did not get covered up http://thesealedvault.org/vb/forum/images/smilies/bleh.gif

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon7/Clementine/Ship_001.png (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon7/Clementine/Ship_001.png)


http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/04images/Disney/GPN-2000-000060.jpg (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/04images/Disney/GPN-2000-000060.jpg)

Photo Credit 1954 NACA

The triangle craft in his hand is the Mars Glider

This was BEFORE NASA, when von Braun worked for the Army




http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/04images/Disney/Moonbase1.jpg (http://www.anonym.to/?http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/04images/Disney/Moonbase1.jpg)

[Majorion]

Should we turn this half and half? Moon AND Mars?

Who cares, its not too off topic :tongue2:

One of my favorites is the Mars Metronome:

http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/qq348/majorion/2P250825588EFFAW9DP2432R1M1.png

http://marsrover.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/p/1402/2P250825588EFFAW9DP2432R1M1.HTML

[Dantheman62]

The Airport Terminal

also known as Mariner 9 #4209-75

There was only ONE image of that area from Mariner 9. They were not very good back then... here is that picture

http://mars-news.de/mr9/07938353c.gif (http://www.anonym.to/?http://mars-news.de/mr9/07938353c.gif)


You will notice that the 'Terminal' is a depression in the ground. To make it look like a 'Terminal' you have to invert it, or emboss it..

Like this...

http://mars-news.de/mr9/07938353t.gif (http://www.anonym.to/?http://mars-news.de/mr9/07938353t.gif)

[Dantheman62]

Should we turn this half and half? Moon AND Mars?

Who cares, its not too off topic :tongue2:

One of my favorites is the Mars Metronome:

http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/qq348/majorion/2P250825588EFFAW9DP2432R1M1.png

http://marsrover.nasa.gov/gallery/all/2/p/1402/2P250825588EFFAW9DP2432R1M1.HTML


HaHa oops! You're right, sorry, those first few pictures are from Mars, my mistake, I'm in kind of a hurry here, LOL

[Majorion]

NASA sure are tricksters all right. Whether its Moon or Mars, the cover up is essentially the same.

Here's an interesting lunar anomaly, courtesy ALSJ, Apollo 16 Pan Camera frame 4623:

http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/qq348/majorion/a16site-c_crop.png
Note the triangular shape, and especially the shadow being cast.

Here's the same enhanced a bit:

http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/qq348/majorion/a16site-c_crop_enhanced.png


Below I have outlined, circled in red where can you find this anomaly in the original:

http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/qq348/majorion/a16site-c.png


Original image: http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a16/a16.site-c.jpg

[Dantheman62]

Here's a more refined picture of the previous ones...

http://projectavalon.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=724&pictureid=7839

[Dantheman62]

Nice Majorion! I haven't seen those yet! Thanks!

[Majorion]

Anomalies aren't always the only interesting stuff with regards to planets and moons. Sometimes natural phenomena (if you choose to believe in "natural") can be just as interesting.

Many people don't know about the Orange Soil, discovered by Gene Cernan and Harrison Schmitt of Apollo 17, during their EVA lunar excursion of the Tauras Littrow valley, they stumbled across this rather strange soil, near/at an area named "Shorty Crater", and there's something else, but I'll get to that a bit later.

Here's an original photograph, other than resizing for suitable forum display, I have not done anything to the image:

http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/qq348/majorion/ORANGESOIL-AS17-137-20984HR.jpg
AS17-137-20984

Now below, when you turn up the color, reduce NASA's usual excessive brightness, turn up the contrast, and bingo, here's what you get:

http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/qq348/majorion/ORANGESOIL-AS17-137-20984HR_enhance.jpg

Original HiRES image: http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/AS17-137-20984HR.jpg

You see these stunning colors. Colors that most people wouldn't expect to see, especially on the Moon.

Notice in the foreground, again, that's Shorty Crater, where Mr. Hoagland discovered "datas head" in a succeeding panoramic sequence of the area, it sure puts the skeptics in a bad mood, but I like it:

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/3926/as1713721005.png

Note; this is my own enhancement, from frame 21005. Its up to you believe its a head or not, but if you check most of the frames for roll 137, the head is there every time, even from different angles, it's always appears a "head". That's why its a brilliant discovery, IMO.

Here are direct links to all the high resolution frames showing this orange soil, for those interested, there are probably more, but this should do for now:

http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/AS17-137-20984HR.jpg
http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/AS17-137-20985HR.jpg
http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/AS17-137-20986HR.jpg
http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/AS17-137-20987HR.jpg
http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/AS17-137-20988HR.jpg
http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/AS17-137-20989HR.jpg
http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/AS17-137-20990HR.jpg


More to come later...

[Dantheman62]

Thanks again! I really like this one you posted in the moon anomoly thread!

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=17996


This is probably the best LO anomaly ever:

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/7011/3084mednset.png

[Majorion]

Have so much stuff, don't even know where to begin.

I guess my favorite lunar anomalies are to do with the many bizarre backgrounds of the Apollo frames.

IMO, these are clues to something much bigger than simple "scratches" or image "defects" or "pixelation".

Classic example:

http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/qq348/majorion/as17-134-20382_enhanced_2.jpg

Above is an enhanced image of course, but needless to say, the apparent 'architecture' in the background definitely shouldn't be there. All you do is turn up the gamma and contrast a bit, and you'll confirm it's there.

Original HiRES image: http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/apollo/apollo17/hires/as17-134-20382.jpg (2.2 M)

[Majorion]

Thanks again! I really like this one you posted in the moon anomoly thread!

Thanks for your interest.

I almost forgot about that thread, should probably repost that stuff here, but I'm trying to make some order of all this.

I'm trying to make it convincing for newcomers, in the other thread the majority there were already convinced so it was more like playing around.

Lets up the notch a bit ;)

[Majorion]

Here's another one with a very odd background. Apollo 14

http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/qq348/majorion/as14-64-9193_enhanced.jpg

Or should I say 'backdrop'? Could this actually be evidence of a hoax?

I don't know.

Original found here: http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/gallery/images/apollo/apollo14/html/as14-64-9193.html

[Majorion]

One of the most fascinating images I've ever seen, is no longer available on the web, I believe it was a leaked image, on the infamous "spacearchive.net".

But spacearchive, as of the last few days, no longer exists!

Thankfully, I downloaded the image only a few weeks before the archive went offline without notice.

So if anyone would like the original, please just contact me PM or whatever and I'll try to hook you up.

This is another of Hoagland's incredible discoveries, and you talk about ancient ruins, this is one of those good ones, a real shame the source is gone now:

http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/qq348/majorion/AS17-136-20767-e.jpg

http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/qq348/majorion/AS17-136-20767-support.jpg

AS17-136-20767

Credit: EnterpriseMission for the enhanced photos.
Source: http://www.enterprisemission.com/NPC-Russia2.htm

[Majorion]

From the other thread.

Enlarged crop section from classic Apollo 10 image of King Crater:

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/2899/as10304356.png
AS10-30-4356
Credit: NASA

Appears to be a towering structure of some sort.

A refinery perhaps?

Original HiRES image: http://history.nasa.gov/ap10fj/photos/30-q/as10-30-4356.jpg

[Majorion]

Getting back to Mars, just for a bit...

We all know NASA tamper the color of Mars images.

Doesn't mean you won't find a real gem, that shows what the sky might really look like on a Martian sunset:

http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/qq348/majorion/PIA07997-2.jpg

Notice the hint of blue in there, where did that come from? ;)

http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA07997
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/tiff/PIA07997.tif (Full-Res TIFF, 14 meg)

[Humble Janitor]

I love these pictures and I don't wish to debate about hoaxers, etc. I just like to look at nice pictures!

[Majorion]

Should probably include the newest NASA moon image, recently released.

Apparently, they're not gonna try to hide the colors of the Moon much longer:

http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/qq348/majorion/PIA00404-1.jpg

Original Source (http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA00404)

[Humble Janitor]

Whoa! It looks like Earth by a bit!

[Majorion]

Lets get back to the anomalies, shall we.

http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/qq348/majorion/AS16-106-17336HR_cropcylinder_adjus.png

Cropped section from AS16-106-17336

A cylindrical object appears in the background, arrowed.


From the same image, what exactly is reflected in the visor, the other astronaut photographing? or something else?

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9198/as1610617336hr.png


Original HiRES image: http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a16/AS16-106-17336HR.jpg


More to come later... hopefully

[Majorion]

Here's one I've never posted on any forum, its certainly subject to interpretation, but my opinion is, after countless enhancements and really studying this image for a while, I concluded simply, this could be possibly another confirmation of the lunar ruins:

This is the original:
http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/qq348/majorion/0102627.jpg


Heres a simple enhancement, the background suddenly shows this really weird "stuff":
http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/qq348/majorion/0102627_enhanced.jpg



Now this is one of the areas you should pay close attention to, and note that this has not been enlarged, rather this is a crop from the original full size:
http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/qq348/majorion/0102627_crop_enh.jpg


Is there something really there? Are these shards or glasslike remnants from ancient inhabitants of the Moon? who knows.

Original HiRES can be found here: http://mix.msfc.nasa.gov/abstracts.php?p=1949


I'm done for today, hopefully more tomorrow or whenever...

[Humble Janitor]

Looks like shrub cover or something.

[Majorion]

Looks like shrub cover or something.

Interesting idea, but I think you're focusing a bit much on the 'green stuff'. Could be an airbrush to conceal the anomalies for all we know. Color is not too big an indicator with images like these.

Look at the shapes, the structures, the symmetries, if at all there. That's the kind of thing you look for.

Example, this is from the same image.

Now, directly above the astronaut, you might notice something....

http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/qq348/majorion/0102627_grespik.jpg

Here I've circled in red what I find very interesting:

http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/qq348/majorion/0102627_crcled.jpg

I recommend you download the full size image yourself, if you haven't already. Then turn up the gamma (or, backlight gain) maximum, up the contrast a bit, and look very closely.

Thanks for the shrubs idea .You are not the first to suggest that same thing. I have other images for that stuff BTW ;)

Cheers

[Humble Janitor]

I can see the symmetry as you've highlighted it. Sorry, I am just very tired from work and unable to sleep so there are things I cannot see as easily.

Good photos and keep up the good work.

[Philbert]

Getting back to Mars, just for a bit...

We all know NASA tamper the color of Mars images.

Doesn't mean you won't find a real gem, that shows what the sky might really look like on a Martian sunset:

http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/qq348/majorion/PIA07997-2.jpg

Notice the hint of blue in there, where did that come from? ;)

http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA07997
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/tiff/PIA07997.tif (Full-Res TIFF, 14 meg)
Ok I will join in the off topic showcase.
Let me know is these qualify for a real Gem

This area is near the region of Cydonia on Mars.
Download the original Satellite Image here:

The image is about 12.3 megs.

http://carlotto.us/demos/geCydoniaImages/MI48N330E.jpg

These are just a few of the many I have cleaned up.

Location Mars-
N34 deg 30

E 91 Deg

http://api.ning.com/files/7w8NpWlHlEkkmPgh-nKGMSFWRRw05l9usYFoHxy0VIw_/cydonia_mars800.bmp

This is a crude land map below.
http://api.ning.com/files/5RAx1zQgLxp8CHgp-nrY5ht6rZNpcEROzuXNgcpn-a0_/landgeomety.bmp

Mars Is indeed inhabited.

http://oursolarsystemthetruthishere.webs.com/44444444444444.jpg

If you study this image closely you can see Saucer shaped craft at the bottom of the Land Bridge. There are 3-4 Saucer craft in what I like to call the parking area. The land bridge is really a set of steps leading up form the parking area to a gate house that is really a mechanical room for calling down the trolley cart to get to the top of the hill.
I know this may sound funny at first but anyone can download these images and zoom in to determin for themselves the truth in my statements.
I have thoroughly investigated these images.




http://oursolarsystemthetruthishere.webs.com/77777777777.jpg?0.31877178855237065

Here are a few enlargments of this area.

These are the saucer shaped vehicles at the bottom of the Land Bridge.
http://oursolarsystemthetruthishere.webs.com/transp1.jpg

The trolley or lift cart and mechanical area.

http://oursolarsystemthetruthishere.webs.com/0point.jpg

Next

http://oursolarsystemthetruthishere.webs.com/Clipboard09.jpg

http://oursolarsystemthetruthishere.webs.com/MI48N330Exxxxxx.jpg?0.5352774685629126

http://oursolarsystemthetruthishere.webs.com/towers_arch.jpg

http://oursolarsystemthetruthishere.webs.com/pictoralbest.jpg?0.14106094143348458


A blow up of child on knees holding animal, with another animal at the Childs back. Possibly a dog is standing behind the child on knees, Possibly a cat the child is holding out in their hands. If you look carefully you can see the hind legs of the cat and it's tail.

http://oursolarsystemthetruthishere.webs.com/boy_dog_cat.jpg?0.5629810270516888
The following images are also taken from the same satellite image about 2-3 miles in estimate from the above estate.
You can see transportation, structures, housing, and yes Humans.

http://api.ning.com/files/AjKzroJ3cG2DNySCYuqtkc2ew75LqmNC2EjkgR7GNl0_/marsestate.jpg

http://oursolarsystemthetruthishere.webs.com/8.jpg

http://oursolarsystemthetruthishere.webs.com/aaaaaa.jpg

Closer look at the structure.
It has a pedestal that appears the structure could rotate to adjust for sun.
or this could be a defense structure.

http://oursolarsystemthetruthishere.webs.com/Clipboard04.jpg

http://oursolarsystemthetruthishere.webs.com/7.jpg

http://oursolarsystemthetruthishere.webs.com/6.jpg

http://oursolarsystemthetruthishere.webs.com/Clipboard26.jpg

These objects can also be found in the satellite image.
Transportation can be seen with a arched walkway leading to the house in the background.

http://oursolarsystemthetruthishere.webs.com/MI48N330Elatest4.jpg?0.4096657381506645

[Majorion]

Oh yes Philbert, the original image there is a really good find on your part, definitely qualifies a Gem.

The Cydonia region itself, there's a city under there, and some of the strange shapes you outlined in the beginning, those are possibly ruins and the geometries are quite bizarre.

Honestly, that image is very very good, but only the things you've zoomed in super close I don't interpret the same or agree. Like when you interpret saucers or people or terminals; that sorta thing.

It very well could be that what you describe is close to the concept, but take a step back, instead of zooming in on objects, I think the whole image from a birds eye view speaks for itself. There's some artificial looking stuff down there, I've seen the Cydonia IR and analyzed the raw data myself, there's no doubt in my mind, at least.

All in all, ships or not, I can see what appears to be buildings down there.

BTW, hope you find this helpful, heres a list I compiled of almost all the links you can find Mars imagery:

http://hiroc.lpl.arizona.edu/images/ (HiRISE Imaging)
http://marsoweb.nas.nasa.gov/hirise/ (HiRISE Imaging Science Experiment)
http://marsoweb.nas.nasa.gov/HiRISE/hirise_images/ (HiRISE Online Image Viewer)
http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ (HiRISE Mars Reconnaisaince Orbiter)

http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/targetFamily/Mars (Assorted .TIFF HiRes Images)

http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/ (Mars Global Surveyor)

http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/images.html (Spirit/Opportunity)
http://marsprogram.jpl.nasa.gov/gallery/images.html (Spirit/Opportunity)
http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/odyssey/gallery/images.html (Mars Odyssey)
http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mgs/gallery/images.html (Mars Global Surveyor)

http://themis.asu.edu/ (Mars Odyssey Themis)
http://marswatch.astro.cornell.edu/mars.html (Cornell Mars Image Gallery)
http://www.mentallandscape.com/C_CatalogMars.htm (Soviet Mars Images)
http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/marspath_images.html (Mars Pathfinder Images)
http://marsprogram.jpl.nasa.gov/MPF/mpf/image-arc.html (Mars Pathfinder Directory)

http://mars.esa.int/ (ESA - Mars Express)

http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu/gallery.php (Phoenix Mars Gallery)
http://ida.wr.usgs.gov/ (PDS MGS/MOC Image Collection)
http://crism.jhuapl.edu/index.php (Compact Reconnaissance Imaging Spectrometer for Mars)

[TRANCOSO]

ABSOLUTELY FABULOUS PIX!!!
Thanx!

[Ravens and Doves]

[QUOTE=Philbert;213215pixel that is going to move across the footage, come up from the moon and lands on the Command Module is not a defect in the film or hair or scratch.
Also defects in film will not constantly through 300 frames,


Philbert and Friends,

It's good that we have this dialogue and agree to disagree on certian points without any personal attacks. Actually, we're on the same page regarding moon and planetary scrutuers. Other clips you have posted are better, In my opinion.

A few things I'd like to clear up. I said "a few frames" not 300 and I used the "human hair" term only as an example of the many difficulties that arise in making (especialy celluloid) copies of motion pictures. Also, pixels never move - but specks do.

If you've ever seen at the very end of a Hollywwod flick "Color by Delux." Delux was/is essentially Twentieth Century Fox's film processing lab - full post production facillity and archives. My brother was their chief engineer for many years before he went to Lazer Pacific when Kodak bought Lazer to be tech ready for the now unfolding, global, ULTRA high def digital broadcast AND theater output. Now, due to the economy thing, he's temping with ABC, NBC or whoever beeps his phone. I saw first hand a painstaking process:

Even through the processing and editing rooms are highly temp and humidity controlled, the back side of film is like an a vinyl record - in the cleanest of rooms, movement generates a static charge that can pull clothing fibers off a tech's shirt and unless the editing or other hardware is sophisticated enough to have a back-up, self film cleaning unit, tiny little dots appear and disapper.
I'm not saying that that is what is in the first NASA clip you posted, I'm just saying "camera artifacts" are something to consider regard SOME anomalies.


#4.Evidence of a manufactured fake horizon,

I have no clue as to why they would bother using a fake horizon when simpley leaving the real one in place would be easier and give the shots more credibility. Could the film have been shot through the NASA craft window? (the round portal frame getting in the way?)

*****

Many false presentations are out also. I did watch the video link you had posted here, and as much as this is going to hurt it has to be said. Many false video of U.F.Os have been created using cgi.
Another thing is that the video you posted shows a definite phenomenon in the footage that can not be identified. But the sad thing is that it has no credibility. It is a video shot by citizen here on earth.

*****


"...a video shot by citizen here on earth."

Ahem... ever heard of Project Camelot? It contains videos shot by citizens here on plenet Earth. I'm afraid it's the best we can do, for now.

The Santa Monica clip has already be studied for CGI and no evidence of that was found. Unfortunatly that analytical clip was taken off U-Toob or is very hard to find, but it does exist.

*****

That could be a government experiment or technology that was caught on the film in your link.

Remember false flags are used here on the people to confuse.

*****

I agree, but ANYTHING can be a government experiment at this point.

*****
Trust me there is plenty to put together, just not many people can work with the film archives.

*****

My bro and a woman I breifly dated and who is on my facebook worked with the raw footage of the Discovery Channel, Nat. Geo. and about one quarter of the entire A-list film and TV product (in one respect or another) in the Engish speaking world (that's one reason they got five Emmy's in a row). As Kerry Kassidy can tell you, post-production is highly problem intensive until that precious "final cut" is "in the can" (for the producer and distributors) and the negetives with a master positive go to archives.


******


Sorry your posted video link is just not a smoking gun to me there just is no smoke to follow.

[/COLOR]


There is a small luminous orb that dashes benieth the main object from left to right. These have also dashed undernieth the Space Shuttle just befor or after very convincing ET caft sightings that have baffled the crew... then the video is just down by Houston, NRO, NSA or?

[COLOR="Yellow"]
Again the things you claim to have seen could be of government projects.


******

Nope. I have seen BOTH. My main sighting WAS NOT government... the military intels would show up AFTER the events, stumbling over themselves, nearly crashing their unmarked choppers together. Years later I had tall blonde contact similiar as to what Miriam Delecado experienced, but I was not aboard a craft (others saw orange discs nearby... I saw flashes of light... then proceeded to have my mind blown... ultimatly for the better. I just finished a 300+ page book about it all and need to edit it down for publishing)


I need to close as I just got home after a very eventful (almost TOO eventful... threre's a party in the hills that is STILL going on!) New Years wing-ding.

Thank you for stimulating these trembling, post-temporal lobe siezure hands to work. Re; the brain thing. I WAS NOT having one at the time of my sightings or contact. To me, if that is suggested, it would be as offensive and redundant as the old "weather balloon/swamp gas/sleep paralysis" cop out.

Actually, I could use some good sleep paralysis (with the fear factor) right now.

May 2010 be a better year for us all,

Paul

PS. For those who have acess, go to my profile to see the kind of patch my uncle used to wear in the spookyland of western Nevada. I had my first off-the-consensual-radar experience there when I was about 10 years old.

PS.2. The Adams Family from Outer Space had a very difficult holiday season. The silence is DEAFENING.

[Ravens and Doves]

Actually, I could use some good sleep paralysis (with the fear factor) right now.

May 2010 be a better year for us all,

Paul

PS. For those who have acess, go to my profile to see the kind of patch my uncle used to wear in the spookyland of western Nevada. I had my first off-the-consensual-radar experience there when I was about 10 years old.

PS.2. The Adams Family from Outer Space had a very difficult holiday season. The silence is DEAFENING.


Oops, I meant to say WITHOUT the fear factor.

Last night I was breifly surrounded by US fan club of the UK women's equvelent of Manchester United... all tall, buff women who wanted to make sure I was treating the British lady of soccer with respect and not dissing her palzy walzy Mr. Beckham. So I took of my hat, toasted Mancester U, said good-night and left the club with life and limb intact.

Another lesson learned without the need for violence.

[Majorion]

Recently released JAXA image, discovery of hole/tunnel on the Moon.

http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/qq348/majorion/tc_039.jpg

Lava tubes?

Nah, leads to the underworld :tongue2:

[Dantheman62]

I love the hole pictures!


http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars5/Pleiades/marshole_hirise_big.jpg

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars5/Pleiades/dn12566-2_250.jpghttp://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars5/Pleiades/dn12566-1_250.jpgA new image reveals a wall on this dark feature, suggesting it is a pit at least 78 metres deep

[Philbert]

ABSOLUTELY FABULOUS PIX!!!
Thanx!

Glad you enjoy them.
These type are rare on the internet.
I found and worked on these myself, took me about a month.
That was because I was just learning to work with the images. The original satellite image of this area has much more in it. To anyone looking to do there own finds this is a good one to look into.

Here is a link to my archives site.
The site is a work in progress.
But the information and images may be of interest to you also.

http://oursolarsystemthetruthishere.webs.com

Oh anyone is welcome to use any of these images.
In fact I encourage it to anyone that can use them in creating other presentations to get this information out.

[Majorion]

For those unaware, this following is an image from Apollo 14, called "Mitchell Under Glass".

There are two versions.

One is the original NASA version from their main images website (Apollo Lunar Surface Journal) found here: http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a14/AS14-66-9301HR.jpg

The other version is the pre-generation print of the same image; a non 'sanitized' print saved from destruction by Kenneth Johnston; who was in charge LRL at NASA. And was enhanced with modern image processing software.


Below is color enhanced ALSJ version:

http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/qq348/majorion/AS14-66-9301HR_bluegain.png

Enhanced BW desaturated ALSJ version:

http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/qq348/majorion/AS14-66-9301HR_gain_desaturated.jpg




Below is the Johnston version, the non 'sanitized' lunar sky:

http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/qq348/majorion/mitchell.jpg


And finally, here's a close up of what is probably the most interesting area, showing the slanted structures, of the ancient lunar ruins:

http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/qq348/majorion/grid_structure_lg.jpg


For more information, visit here:
http://www.enterprisemission.com/NPC-Russia.htm
http://www.enterprisemission.com/NPC-Russia2.htm

[Philbert]

[QUOTE=Majorion;214216]Oh yes Philbert, the original image there is a really good find on your part, definitely qualifies a Gem.

The Cydonia region itself, there's a city under there, and some of the strange shapes you outlined in the beginning, those are possibly ruins and the geometries are quite bizarre.

Honestly, that image is very very good, but only the things you've zoomed in super close I don't interpret the same or agree. Like when you interpret saucers or people or terminals; that sorta thing.

It very well could be that what you describe is close to the concept, but take a step back, instead of zooming in on objects, I think the whole image from a birds eye view speaks for itself. There's some artificial looking stuff down there, I've seen the Cydonia IR and analyzed the raw data myself, there's no doubt in my mind, at least.


I find your Honesty statement to be offensive and to be Honest with you it puts me on the defense.
Especially when you have no where near the hours I have in interpretation into these images.
So when you say in the same sentence “there are cities under there” then go on to pretend you can interpret the objects in the images as Ruins. Show me the cities you claim so I can interpret them.
This may sound a little rude, but you have to take a back seat on your interpretation of what you think I already know.

:trumpet:
I discovered these anomalies, I put several thousands of hours into cropping ,enhancing and interpretation that took over three months.

You have viewed them for less than one day, and you are going to tell me I don't understand what I am looking at?

Of course you don't have to believe what I say they are, but maybe you should keep what you think I don't know to yourself until you are 100% positive you know what you are talking about.

Sorry I have to be this way, but this is not a contest to me.
I would have taken your statement a little different if you just would have said you don't see them.
But really non of us should be making comments to degrade a persons research until we have sufficient amount of proof that we can say " hey I figured out what these are, here is what I came up with.

Sorry again for being so harsh, but it felt as though you stuck a thorn in my side.
I'm sure you would feel the same way if someone said they don't interpret your research as you have come to understand it. Especially without a substantial explanation.

:trumpet:
I also will disagree with your birds eye view. Yes I can agree that at the birds eye view there is already enough in the images to suggest an importance. Zooming in is important to get a good look at the surroundings. I really should not need to explain myself to you. Bottom line is I brought these images to you, if you see a different interpretation and you don't interpret them as I do, then you should have given your interpretation.
Otherwise you have created the offence not me.


:trumpet:
But as far as these being ruins, not a chance.
These were in fact inhabited when the images where taken and probably still are today.

:trumpet:
Yes there are humans in the images along with animals. As far as a TERMINAL , I said nothing of the sort in the post. You got that from Dantheman62.

This old theory of everything that looks like a building or structure is ruins is common place in mainstream media and science with those who are uncertain of jumping into the unknown.
That is what these images are to you unknown.
So please next time be a little more conservative in your thoughts before you text them here for everyone to read.

The only reason I have come off like this is to defend my own position and research.

Hey I don't mind working with others on interpretation but don't try and undermined my knowledge unless you have proof positive of what you are talking about.

I have came to this forum to give to others what they might need to understand the ufo phenomenon or life on other planets as I have found in My own research.

If you question it do so with a question rather than a statement.
If I am wrong in what I have put out as an interpretation, then I would expect to be shown where I am wrong. Not just say your wrong.

I would suggest you analyze the raw image yourself, if you find something different than what I have interpreted the images as, show me.
But don’t come out here as thought you know everything about every anomaly that is posted.

:cup:
Now I must apologize most sincerely as I am not intending to offend you in this matter, Just letting you know where you have made your mistake.

[Majorion]

You have viewed them for less than one day, and you are going to tell me I don't understand what I am looking at?

No, no, not at all.

I apologize for the misunderstanding, about what I was saying, it was NOT an effort to undermine your conclusions at all, nor was it meant to be offensive in the least. More like a colleague sharing his model/view applied to your discovery, I'm sure we won't see eye to eye, and everyone's different, but that's the whole point.

I know many many people who don't agree with me in anything, but they're friends nevertheless, and our research is always shared.

I'm sorry if you were offended, it was most certainly not my intention.

So when you say in the same sentence “there are cities under there” then go on to pretend you can interpret the objects in the images as Ruins. Show me the cities you claim so I can interpret them.

Yes I agree. There are two models here:

One says there is intelligent life thriving on Mars right now and always...

The other model is ancient. Which is what I ascribe to, simply because I found the various IR data too compelling.

Here's the main Cydonia analysis I refer to, please visit these links:
http://www.keithlaney.net/BullittsIRviews/marsinfraredimaging.htm
http://www.enterprisemission.com/ir_analysis.html

http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/qq348/majorion/CITY1.jpg

http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/qq348/majorion/ghost1.jpg

http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/qq348/majorion/CYDONIA-CAIRO-COMPARISON.jpg

http://i462.photobucket.com/albums/qq348/majorion/ghost7.jpg

Also, highly recommend you download this .TIF image, http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/ghost/ghost-vis.tif , open with image editor, and turn up saturation maximum.

If you haven't tried that out before; its way cool. Just give it a shot, you'll enjoy it for sure.

Cheers

[TRANCOSO]

Yo! Philbert!
Relax! Shanti!
Majorion is not your enemy.
Both of you are posting truly fantastic stuff, that has made me really happy!

Thank you for the link, Philbert. Very impressive! I had a look & saved it to my 'favourites', so I'll be coming back & spend some time there.

By the way, you should get a hold on Courtney Brown's 'Cosmic Voyager'.
He's been Scientific Remote Viewing Mars in the 90's.
A very interesting read indeed.

[Philbert]

Yo! Philbert!
Relax! Shanti!
Majorion is not your enemy.
Both of you are posting truly fantastic stuff, that has made me really happy!

Thank you for the link, Philbert. Very impressive! I had a look & saved it to my 'favourites', so I'll be coming back & spend some time there.

By the way, you should get a hold on Courtney Brown's 'Cosmic Voyager'.
He's been Scientific Remote Viewing Mars in the 90's.
A very interesting read indeed.



No enemy here.
Majorion is friend
My enemies are those who have hidden these things from us.
No enemies here in these forums, all of us here are looking for the same things, Knowledge.
Knowledge leads to understanding then to truth then wisdom.

I am very happy that there are those here that have an interest in to what I can give, It helps me to believe that I have not lost my own mind.


Thank you for your nice comment. I love working with people such as yourself and Majorion, and all those who truly have a interest into these things that will change our time. I have found that most us who have a great interest into these things, approach these ideas without a bitter personal slandering. as many do outside these forums who are in denial.
Everyone here knows what I am talking about, when you try and explain even the idea of life on other planets to some people they call you all sorts of names, and slander your ideas because they just cannot believe what they are seeing or hearing.
I have not found that here, that also makes me happy because we are making progress.

So far we are all here on the same pages.

[viking]

Hey Philbert....What a great thread...Fantastic vids and pictures...

Your research is very much appreciated...thanks... :thumb_yello:

viking

[Philbert]

http://www.maggieandalina.com/12cydonia_mars8002.jpg

http://www.maggieandalina.com/3333cydonia_mars8002.jpg

http://www.maggieandalina.com/a3333cydonia_mars8002.jpg

http://www.maggieandalina.com/cydonia_mars8002.jpg

I have done a few enlargements to help get a better look.
I don't know if anyone has noticed around the base of the rock face are ledges. Further below that are steps.

Because these are satellite images they have a tendency to appear flattened or scrunched together in perspective.

Many people believe that Nasa takes images of other planets using Camera and lenses, This is not true as a camera would be useless in taking images without correct lighting. The fact is Nasa always uses radio spectrometer imaging. They have done this since the beginning.
Radio imagery assures them the ability to take images in complete darkness as radio waves are sent to the surface and are returned to the satellite that sends the data to an earth satellite dish. The information is processed through a computer that renders the image.

Satellite radio imagery is much better than any camera and lenses could ever take. especially in regarding mapping a planet. Radio images can take pictures though materials such as trees or shrubs. Because radio waves can go through and around abject this makes it much more practical than using cameras with lenses. Radio imagery has came a long way since it began, It is capable of putting images together in full color.

Another thing to remember is that because nasa continues to use radio imagery that allows them to easily manipulate the images and frequency.

For example a satellite image taken of an area can have certain frequencies turned down to not show up in the image, such as structures and buildings.