"Spirituality" - A Discussion

[ubiquitousquintessence]

I'm interested in discussing what spirituality is, how this forum relates with our definition of spirituality, and how we as human beings relate to this forum, and...well.... Let's see where this goes....

Starting at the beginning.
"Spirituality" - What is it?
What is your definition of spirituality?

[Seashore]

Having a sense of reality that takes into account that which is not physically experienced by the five senses but is nevertheless real.

[Gnosis5]

I'm interested in discussing what spirituality is, how this forum relates with our definition of spirituality, and how we as human beings relate to this forum, and...well.... Let's see where this goes....

Starting at the beginning.
"Spirituality" - What is it?
What is your definition of spirituality?

It can go towards a rhythm or undulation from ourselves as sovereign creator beings to ourselves that are communing via this forum.

If one were fully awakened to their static sovereign state and at the same time fully aware of being here on this planet, and everything in between, wouldn't that be a real recipe for happiness?

[ThoughtOnFire]

"Spirituality" - What is it?
What is your definition of spirituality?


Spirituality is the relationship of the Soul/Spirit with the Vehicle/Ego/Mind.

My definition is simply really short: Kundalini Awakening.

[Myplanet2]

I'm interested in discussing what spirituality is, how this forum relates with our definition of spirituality, and how we as human beings relate to this forum, and...well.... Let's see where this goes....

Starting at the beginning.
"Spirituality" - What is it?
What is your definition of spirituality?

I can't define spirituality. I think it presupposes that we are humans having a spiritual experience, when it is much more true that we are spirits (or something like that) having a human experience. Humanality, I could define.

Love the avatar by the way.

[Gnosis5]

I'm interested in discussing what spirituality is, how this forum relates with our definition of spirituality, and how we as human beings relate to this forum, and...well.... Let's see where this goes....

Starting at the beginning.
"Spirituality" - What is it?
What is your definition of spirituality?

The second part: How this forum relates with definition of spirituality

For myself when I first entered Project Camelot and this forum I wanted to know what was really going on and it was a good 3D landing stage for me. My need to raise myself above a fear or chronic antagonism level got addressed by seeing that the battle was other-dimensional, spiritual.

The expose's synchronized with my own past lives clearing work. My first past lives clearing was more recent history.

It is hard for me to see how anything can not relate on some level with the definition of spirituality in the sense that the creators were spiritual beings and everything we behold is us creating effects.

There is also the communion aspect. For example when I look at your post and your avatar and your moniker, I am also looking into you as a being and I know you as a being with a Prime Thought. If I so choose.

And I would also to likewise be known as a being with a Prime Thought.

best,
Gnosis

[Gnosis5]

Having a sense of reality that takes into account that which is not physically experienced by the five senses but is nevertheless real.


Right, and this forum allows me to expand and express and share beyond physical realities.

[Gnosis5]

Spirituality is the relationship of the Soul/Spirit with the Vehicle/Ego/Mind.

My definition is simply really short: Kundalini Awakening.


How is that working for you as a spiritual being? If a spiritual being is without a body would this practice do anything for them?

[ThoughtOnFire]

How is that working for you as a spiritual being? If a spiritual being is without a body would this practice do anything for them?

The point is that the body is not operating on the same level as the Spiritual unless until Kundalini is Awakened. It's bringing the Body to the same level as the Spiritual Level of Existence. Does that make sense? Good question btw.:thumb_yello:

[Leunamros]

Having a sense of reality that takes into account that which is not physically experienced by the five senses but is nevertheless real.

real but non communicable. That means is only real for the one who experiences it.

Wikipedia:


"Spirituality is relating to, consisting of, or having the nature of spirit; not tangible or material. Synonyms include immaterialism, dualism, incorporeality and eternity.

Spirituality is traditionally associated with religion, deities, the supernatural, and an afterlife. It may include existentialism and introspection, and the development of an individual's inner life through practices such as meditation, prayer and contemplation.

Traditionally, religions have regarded spirituality as an integral aspect of religious experience and have long claimed that secular (non-religious) people cannot experience "true" spirituality. Many do still equate spirituality with religion, but declining membership of organised religions and the growth of secularism in the western world has given rise to a broader view of spirituality.

Secular spirituality carries connotations of an individual having a spiritual outlook which is more personalized, less structured, more open to new ideas/influences, and more pluralistic than that of the doctrinal faiths of organized religions. At one end of the spectrum, even some atheists are spiritual. While atheism tends to lean towards skepticism regarding supernatural claims and the existence of an actual "spirit", some atheists define "spiritual" as nurturing thoughts, emotions, words and actions that are in harmony with a belief that the entire universe is, in some way, connected; even if only by the mysterious flow of cause and effect at every scale.[1]

In contrast, those of a more 'New-Age' disposition see spirituality as the active connection to some force/power/energy/spirit, facilitating a sense of a deep self.

For some, spirituality includes introspection, and the development of an individual's inner life through practices such as meditation, prayer and contemplation. Some modern religions also see spirituality in everything: see pantheism and neo-Pantheism. In a similar vein, Religious Naturalism has a spiritual attitude towards the awe, majesty and mystery it sees in the natural world.

For a Christian, to refer to him or herself as "more spiritual than religious"[citation needed] may (but not always) imply relative deprecation of rules, rituals, and tradition while preferring an intimate relationship with God. The basis for this belief is that Jesus Christ came to free humankind from those rules, rituals, and traditions, giving humankind the ability to "walk in the spirit" thus maintaining a "Christian" lifestyle through that one-to-one relationship with God."

[Gnosis5]

So what I am getting from what you are saying is that it is granting the Genetic Entity and the body field some "rights of free expression" apart from the being.

I guess my path is more working from the top down and giving the genetic entity and body a break by making myself more sane and compassionate -- I'm probably my body's worst enemy, ha!

Gnosis

[Gnosis5]

real but non communicable. That means is only real for the one who experiences it.


Non-communicable fo some, but not for all. I can experience someone else's reality and beingness or viewpoint, IF I SO CHOOSE. That's the key, if I so choose.

Gnosis

[Leunamros]

By non-communicable i mean you cannot make other person experience exactly what you have experienced, deciding so by your own will. As far as i know, obviously.

Maybe in the future, with some technology capable of recording experiences, but not now.


I think that for other people to experience what you have experienced, they only have to be you completely; and this is not related to the "we are all one" meme, no, when i say to be you completely, is to be you completely: all your experiences, all your life, etc. So in the end i dont know if that´s possible really, for other consciousness to experience what other has, even if is through recording technologies, because everyone is conditioned to perceive a thing by the filter of their own circumstances and or awareness peculiarity, you dig me?.

[Gnosis5]

By non-communicable i mean you cannot make other person experience exactly what you have experienced, deciding so by your own will. As far as i know, obviously.

Maybe in the future, with some technology capable of recording experiences, but not now.


I think that for other people to experience what you have experienced, they only have to be you completely; and this is not related to the "we are all one" meme, no, when i say to be you completely, is to be you completely: all your experiences, all your life, etc. So in the end i dont know if that´s possible really, for other consciousness to experience what other has, even if is through recording technologies, because everyone is conditioned to perceive a thing by the filter of their own circumstances and or awareness peculiarity, you dig me?.

Right, when you add the element of force ("make"). If they do not wish to experience it. I am aware of some disciplined clearing practitioners who can volitionally see the incident as the client is seeing it.

"We see through a glass darkly" because we are not yet clear enough within ourselves and, as you said, we "filter". That is one reason when I see something or experience through someone else, being that person, I feel validated when I find independent confirmation.

It's probably like a muscle -- has to be exercised, same for other native abilities.

Umm, when you said technologies that reminded me of the technology I saw some tall whites working with. I think they do have devices that can for all practical purposes do what you propose.

There seems a pearl here in what you are saying -- if one could exactly "be" another person, what do you think the applications could be?

One that comes to my mind, as a student of rehabilitative clearing, if I "AM" a certain person, receive therapeutic processing as that person, and then change my mind...we did that rather matter-of-factly during my PEAT course.

Perhaps that is another thread topic....

Gnosis

[Gnosis5]

Besides the approach that they have to be you COMPLETELY, i.e., all your experiences, etc., could not they simply be YOU? The YOU before you had all that baggage? Sort of the essence or energy signature of you...

I think that is more or less what I do when I decide to be someone before I process them. It's all considerations anyways -- the real beings wants to go towards truth and wants to be processed, so I do get cooperation from the being on some level of his beingness.


Gnosis

[Leunamros]

Right, when you add the element of force ("make"). If they do not wish to experience it. I am aware of some disciplined clearing practitioners who can volitionally see the incident as the client is seeing it.

"We see through a glass darkly" because we are not yet clear enough within ourselves and, as you said, we "filter". That is one reason when I see something or experience through someone else, being that person, I feel validated when I find independent confirmation.

It's probably like a muscle -- has to be exercised, same for other native abilities.

Umm, when you said technologies that reminded me of the technology I saw some tall whites working with. I think they do have devices that can for all practical purposes do what you propose.

There seems a pearl here in what you are saying -- if one could exactly "be" another person, what do you think the applications could be?

One that comes to my mind, as a student of rehabilitative clearing, if I "AM" a certain person, receive therapeutic processing as that person, and then change my mind...we did that rather matter-of-factly during my PEAT course.

Perhaps that is another thread topic....

Gnosis


I dont know you and i dont know what it is that hability to "be others" you are talking about, but i suggest you to make a new thread explaining what it´s about in the most understandable way you can with your actual intelligence limitations. Because if it´s true, it´s quite interesting to know more.

From my own perspective, the only thing similar is a certain approach i did on the idea of what telepathy could be, just a "imagine you are the other being you wanna send a message, then, think the message in his mind because you are him". In conclusion, you have to actually, believe you are the other person for all it to work, in theory.

[Gnosis5]

I concur, except I would change "believe" to "know" or be aware or intend.

"I don't know you"? What is that about?

Gnosis

[Gnosis5]

Spiritually, who am I when I am "ME"?

What if we best know each other by our individual Prime Thought?

What is my Prime Thought?


These questions are too simple and too high for me to answer.

Gnosis

[Leunamros]

i meant, "i dont know enough about you".

[Gnosis5]

i meant, "i dont know enough about you".

What is it you wish to now about me?

Gnosis

[ubiquitousquintessence]

Interesting discussion already...

In trying to define "spirituality", I have to start with spirit.
I guess I would define spirit as the essence of being.
Going from there, I suppose spirituality would be bringing that essence into the physical world, via the physical body, through the use of words, actions, etc.

[ThoughtOnFire]

Interesting discussion already...

In trying to define "spirituality", I have to start with spirit.
I guess I would define spirit as the essence of being.
Going from there, I suppose spirituality would be bringing that essence into the physical world, via the physical body, through the use of words, actions, etc.

That sounds good to me :thumb_yello:

[Leunamros]

What is it you wish to now about me?

Gnosis


make a new thread about what i asked you to do one.

[Gnosis5]

make a new thread about what i asked you to do one.

Why?

[Gnosis5]

make a new thread about what i asked you to do one.

You said you don't know me. Why did you say that and what is it you need to know about me? Why are you not answering this question? Is this your thread? Did you start this thread?

[ubiquitousquintessence]

Can "prime thought" be individual?
To me, prime thought is "source". Source is the origin of all, and therefore IS all. As soon as I attempt to individuate prime thought, it ceases to be prime thought....

Can there be a definition of "me"?
Yes, but that definition would not be "me". A description of a thing is not the thing - as a painting of a mountain is not a mountain.

[Gnosis5]

Can "prime thought" be individual?
To me, prime thought is "source". Source is the origin of all, and therefore IS all. As soon as I attempt to individuate prime thought, it ceases to be prime thought....

Can there be a definition of "me"?
Yes, but that definition would not be "me". A description of a thing is not the thing - as a painting of a mountain is not a mountain.

Good correction re Prime Thought. I would have to revise that to say individuated Prime Thought and let my question stand.

Have you experienced the ultimate simplicity of "ME"?

[ubiquitousquintessence]

It can go towards a rhythm or undulation from ourselves as sovereign creator beings to ourselves that are communing via this forum.

If one were fully awakened to their static sovereign state and at the same time fully aware of being here on this planet, and everything in between, wouldn't that be a real recipe for happiness?

Yes. That is a recipe for contented joyousness.
Since I think the majority of us are aware of being here on this planet, let's look into the "static sovereign state"....
I think you are referring to the same thing I refer to as "the essence of being"...
Isn't "essence" something inherent... If it's inherent, it's not something that needs to be (or even CAN be) attained or learned...it is not something we can become. We can not change essence - it is as it is.
So if spirituality is "bringing that essence into the physical world, via the physical body, through the use of words, actions, etc.", is it possible to bring forth ANYTHING that is NOT essence? Isn't "essence" EVERYTHING? And, therefore, isn't spirituality the bringing forth of everything into the physical world? Or perhaps it's the awareness that EVERYTHING IS 'the essence of being'. There is NOTHING that is NOT "the essence of being".
So, isn't the "real recipe for happiness" simply being aware of being here on this planet, and being aware that EVERYTHING here on this planet is a physical manifestation of "the essence of being"?

[ubiquitousquintessence]

Have you experienced the ultimate simplicity of "ME"?

Certainly.
I am awareness.
I am consciousness.
I am the space for all.
Everything I experience is an experience of "me".
I choose to experience "me" as both simple and complex, good and bad, right and wrong.
There is no difference.
I am not simple OR complex, good OR bad, right OR wrong.
I am the awareness of them.
I am the consciousness in them.
I am the space for all of them.

[Leunamros]

Why?

because i ask you!.

[Gnosis5]

Yes. That is a recipe for contented joyousness.
Since I think the majority of us are aware of being here on this planet, let's look into the "static sovereign state"....
I think you are referring to the same thing I refer to as "the essence of being"...
Isn't "essence" something inherent... If it's inherent, it's not something that needs to be (or even CAN be) attained or learned...it is not something we can become. We can not change essence - it is as it is.
So if spirituality is "bringing that essence into the physical world, via the physical body, through the use of words, actions, etc.", is it possible to bring forth ANYTHING that is NOT essence? Isn't "essence" EVERYTHING? And, therefore, isn't spirituality the bringing forth of everything into the physical world? Or perhaps it's the awareness that EVERYTHING IS 'the essence of being'. There is NOTHING that is NOT "the essence of being".
So, isn't the "real recipe for happiness" simply being aware of being here on this planet, and being aware that EVERYTHING here on this planet is a physical manifestation of "the essence of being"?

Huh? Could you give me a specific example of that? I need an example to ground me, thank you.

In one of my PEAT sessions for the first time I realized the Static or Unpotentiated Potential or Un-Essence (lol) and then when the PEAT instructor had me come back to where I was here, it felt like a child always knowing that mommy was there.

Have experienced similar a few times since but not often enough to attempt to express "what cannot be expressed" as the TAO would put it.

But it is real enough and feels like home where you can just relax and be yourself.

Once one has experienced this state a few times the goal post gets moved further back: No longer am I disproportionately concerned about upgrading my mediocre life here on planet earth -- riches, fame, doughnuts.

Eternal awareness of eternity and myself as a sovereign being, Prime Mover Unmoved.

[Gnosis5]

Certainly.
I am awareness.
I am consciousness.
I am the space for all.
Everything I experience is an experience of "me".
I choose to experience "me" as both simple and complex, good and bad, right and wrong.
There is no difference.
I am not simple OR complex, good OR bad, right OR wrong.
I am the awareness of them.
I am the consciousness in them.
I am the space for all of them.


That's pretty good....did you make that up yourself? Thank you for creating the space for all with this thread. I shall honor that.

Gnosis

[Gnosis5]

because i ask you!.

because i dont want to!.

[ubiquitousquintessence]

Huh? Could you give me a specific example of that? I need an example to ground me, thank you.

In one of my PEAT sessions for the first time I realized the Static or Unpotentiated Potential or Un-Essence (lol) and then when the PEAT instructor had me come back to where I was here, it felt like a child always knowing that mommy was there.

Have experienced similar a few times since but not often enough to attempt to express "what cannot be expressed" as the TAO would put it.

But it is real enough and feels like home where you can just relax and be yourself.

Once one has experienced this state a few times the goal post gets moved further back: No longer am I disproportionately concerned about upgrading my mediocre life here on planet earth -- riches, fame, doughnuts.

Eternal awareness of eternity and myself as a sovereign being, Prime Mover Unmoved.

Ok. An example...
As I observe the interaction between you and Leunamros, it reminds me of an interaction between a mother and a child.
"Give me!"
"Why?"
"Because!"
"No!"
"Why?"
"Because!"
And as I observe it, I see myself as both mother and child. I know that I am both. And I accept that.
The "recipe for happiness" that you refer to is the awareness that I am both.
The experience of "happiness" is an effect of the awareness of myself as the "whole".

That's pretty good....did you make that up yourself? Thank you for creating the space for all with this thread. I shall honor that.
The words came through me.
You are most welcome!
The space of this thread is available to all, and all are welcome to fill it however they choose....and it is honored.

[ubiquitousquintessence]

Having a sense of reality that takes into account that which is not physically experienced by the five senses but is nevertheless real.
So you're suggesting that spirituality is the ability to intuit what is real beyond the five senses?
Isn't even intuition experienced physically, though? Perhaps not through the five senses, but still through physical sensations? Sensed either within the physical body or outside of it, but sensed physically nonetheless?
Or is it possible to sense the reality of something, completely apart from any physical experience of it, while in a physical body?
In other words...while in a physical body, how do I determine if something is real in a way that doesn't involve any physical sensing?
Is this actually possible? How is this possible? (asking sincerely)
And I understand that you're saying "not physically experienced BY THE FIVE SENSES but is nevertheless real."....it just has me wondering about whether we could take it a step further and say "NOT PHYSICALLY EXPERIENCED but is nevertheless real."....

[ubiquitousquintessence]

I can't define spirituality. I think it presupposes that we are humans having a spiritual experience, when it is much more true that we are spirits (or something like that) having a human experience. Humanality, I could define.

I wonder if we couldn't be human AND spirit AND beingness....all in equal proportion. Must we be more one than another? Isn't saying that we are more one than another a denial of that which we are? The totality....the consciousness that we are?

And so everyone knows...I propose a lot of questions because these are things I'm contemplating, and I'm genuinely interested in getting feedback from all...and including that feedback into my contemplation.
So, while all are free to receive and respond to the questions in any way they choose, I am proposing them in a spirit of curiosity and openness.

Love the avatar by the way.
Thanks! I like it too. :wink2:

[Myplanet2]

I wonder if we couldn't be human AND spirit AND beingness....all in equal proportion. Must we be more one than another? Isn't saying that we are more one than another a denial of that which we are? The totality....the consciousness that we are?

And so everyone knows...I propose a lot of questions because these are things I'm contemplating, and I'm genuinely interested in getting feedback from all...and including that feedback into my contemplation.
So, while all are free to receive and respond to the questions in any way they choose, I am proposing them in a spirit of curiosity and openness.


Thanks! I like it too. :wink2:

Undoubtedly, we can be anything we want, in any proportions we want. That's one of the perks of being a spirit. As Bruce Lee suggested, we can be like water, filling any vessel we'd care to "try on". I happen to feel we are "being human" at this time for a reason. Perhaps taking advantage of the last run of a favourite old roller coaster. And perhaps taking a hand in designing the next, even more exciting one. :wink2:

[Gnosis5]

Undoubtedly, we can be anything we want, in any proportions we want. That's one of the perks of being a spirit. As Bruce Lee suggested, we can be like water, filling any vessel we'd care to "try on". I happen to feel we are "being human" at this time for a reason. Perhaps taking advantage of the last run of a favourite old roller coaster. And perhaps taking a hand in designing the next, even more exciting one. :wink2:

A life-size tapestry of Bruce Lee on my wall :-)

[Moxie]

Spirit is that which animates. Spirit is of what we call God (it is not a creation)... in our case here on earth, spirit is that which animates the body (which is a creation).

Spirituality is a word for the encompassing subject of that which animates (spirit) including all its manifestations... not yet talking polarity.

I think I'll stop there.

[TraineeHuman]

I prefer the adjective "spiritual." As a number of others have pointed out, absolutely everything that exists is spiritual. The amazing thing is, we don't always see that.

The reason why we don't see it, when we don't, is that we've chosen to focus our attention on something limited or specific, so much that we lose touch with its infinite background. Many schools of spirituality or meditation teach that the goal is to learn to handle the specific, as the practicalities of life often demand, but never lose touch with an awareness of the infinite, which is also constantly present.

[Gnosis5]

"...The Akashic Book of Truth" (http://www.american-buddha.com/cult.excalibur.run.htm#The_Immortality_Business)

Selected quote: RE: Spiritual Truthseekers

"On individuals there is a preponderance of lies, illusions and veils of reality. Once they get a taste of truth and start applying it toward their lives they too will do nothing but go up across the boards, not only spiritually but in many cases, materially also. Most people are into agreement with the manifestation principle, also called demonstrations kitting, also called making it real in the physical universe, of what is going on in their spiritual universes. Thus, if they get better spiritually, then they will go out in life and make more money. This leads to all sorts of silliness because some people become interested in spiritual matters only because they wish to achieve material ends. [snipped]

A truth seeker doesn't give a damn whether they make more money, have better surroundings or have eradicated the negative hygiene factors in their existence. They are just happy with the spiritual gain and find virtue to be its own reward."

This is my second time reading this tome to spiritual awakening. It is even better for me the second time.

He is right -- money and materialism is not a big factor in my life compared to spirituality and tending to the awakening process.

Gnosis

[Gnosis5]

Another good quote re spirituality:

"You will find people who are interested in spirituality and immortality for its own sake. The latter, of course, is preferable and the only one that is going to get you anywhere. Man is at least a mind, a body and a spirit and I would also like to include a fourth part, which is the heart.

You will have at least four types of folks coming your way. One out of four will really hit escape velocity on aberration. He comes cleaner faster than he is putting his own dirt up. Most of the things which are valuable in life are exponential (not of this physical universe) and the least valuable things are linear (which is of this physical universe). The good things and the bad things in life compound and respond to mathematical evaluation from a multiplying it times itself. Those things which are just straight trends are just physical universe manifestations and phenomena. So, you can know whether you are dealing with mechanics or you are dealing with raw life on whether it's exponential or whether it's linear."

There was a point in my own spiritual clearing work where things went exponential, but at first it seemed very linear, arduous.

Gnosis

[greybeard]

I'm interested in discussing what spirituality is, how this forum relates with our definition of spirituality, and how we as human beings relate to this forum, and...well.... Let's see where this goes....

Starting at the beginning.
"Spirituality" - What is it?
What is your definition of spirituality?

For me spirituality is the process of searching for ultimate truth.
One can find anything in this forum to be part of the spiritual search but that is down to how you perceive things ie to the pure all things are pure.

As a human being I appreciate this forum and find whatever relates to my own interest.

Think the ultimate truth is that only God is.
We are part of a step down principal.
Ie the power station cant be plugged directly into a light bulb-- too much power.

Kundalini makes the body ready to receive a higher spiritual energy.

Chris

[Malletzky]

I knew there was a discussion on this forum earlier this year about spirituality and I finaly found it...:original:

Below is my quoted post from that thread and now, after 4 months, I can only repeat myself:

Spirituality...When do I consider myself to be a spiritual person?

I don’t claim to be completely spiritually enlighten, but I would say, the moment when I begin to think, feel, live, breath, love...with my heart, without any judgments, enragements, prejudices, without any human boundaries as we know them, but with unconditional love for all that is, only then can I start understanding spirituality.

By the way, I don’t have to preach all of the above stated in order to be considered as a spiritual person. I don’t need any confirmation from anybody to feel when I’m on the right path.

I just have to be who I really am!

To live and act that way, to let go and forgive, the mastery of this things is the key to spiritual enlightenment.

And this could be done so easily...just search deep in your heart and find the truth...the ultimate truth...whatever this truth is...as this is YOUR truth, your way, your path...to the oneness with the creator.

This is my understanding of spirituality, I highly respect yours.


malletzky



...and here is the link to that thread, maybe some of you will want to read the previous discussion about spirituality, it is really worth checking:

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16054&highlight=spirituality


with :wub2:
malletzky