Have an open mind but no so open that your brains fall out

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

there is alot of stuff appearing on these forums. I would say about half is bull.

Judge all info carefully before you go around spouting it as truth.

That is all. :)

[murnut]

God bless you.

I was thinking about 75% to 90% bunk.

However, if just 1% is true, it is still pretty earth shattering.

Question is, Which 1%?

[whitecrow]

It's ALL true. And it's ALL bunk.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

that was meant to say not in the title. Sorry about the mistake.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

No. Its not all true. Its mostly bunk. USE YOUR JUDGEMENT CAREFULLY.

[Theresa]

Dudes! We are CREATING our realities! So, for sure, don't let yer "brains fall out" (very funny), but also, KEEP YOUR HEART WIDE OPEN!! That's the ONLY real barometer of whats' true for each of us. Don't believe it? well, good luck with that...we are still creating whether we are conscious of it or not!

I don't think you guys can REALLY think mostly everything on here is b**ls**t, cause if you did, I'm WAY sure you have lots better things to do with your precious life force!!!

LOVE YOU AND BLESSINGS TO EVERYBODY!!!!!

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

I do have an open heart. I just dont want to see this forum desend into new age clap trap like I have seen in other forums.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

lets keep our heads screwed on.........

[giaoue]

I'll tell you the best quote that most can, logically with an open mind, agree on: "I don't believe it when I see it, I see it once I believe it."

I didn't think that I'd ever... cease an intense back pain with one prayer, control the clouds with one command, videotape a pink beam of energy flash b4 me that manifested its waste as dark matter floating to the ground like a feather, have multiple possessions of mine that were on my person bi-locate to different parts of my residence, teleport self in vehicle with non-focusing travel on trips with maps that landmarks & signs were designated to seek but not viewed, & levitate via dream that transforms into OBE then into levitation in physical reality. All these I've done & witnessed & so shall all @ a very short time from NOW without fear or amazement because the norm will become abnorm & that, in-deed, will be a belief 2 see. Will wait cuz that's what we all volunteered to do. :thumb_yello:


ps: That pic of my profile is another abnorm, an Amish girl @ the Manhattan greyhound station that looks like either an apparition or maybe she was just an indigo child allowing me to show anyone her elevated resonance & harmonics within our 3rd density upheaval. Her name is Mica & she's in Houlton, ME.

[Bonnie]

Eyes Wide Open, I am not sure what you personally feel is new age nonsense, but try and keep in mind that you may have already been able to deduce that something is fact or fiction/makes sense or is nonsense to you before someone else. For example, I read your post in which you gave your opinion that Zetatalk is nonsense. Well, there are still some people out there that disagree with you despite the fact that Nancy Lieder had given the wrong date of when the pole shift would occur. Unlike you, I had just discovered the site a few months ago and pretty much was coming to a final conclusion that Zetatalk is probably not a good source for some things. I have to say that the site does seem to have some useful information to prepare for troubled times, such as how to save seeds and simple contraptions for wind power. Anyways, your opinionative post that was supported with a reason helps to affirm my conclusion about Zetatalk. So, thank you. I am, however, always open to the possibility of being wrong about anything. I hope you do decide to share your contact experiences here in this forum because I would be very interested in reading about them.

[Antaletriangle]

Yes,i understand this, personally when i reply or make a post i try and keep it open to discussion as some topics can make good debate and have an ability to be looked at from different angles,whatever the case it's allowing open thought and consciousnes-which,ultimately has to be seen as a good thing.

[Merlin]

Eyes wide open,

I have to tell you that I agree with what you say.
It really p*sses me off sometimes when I read some of the stuff thats claimed to be truth without a shred of evidence, or even credability.
And people just swallow this stuff up wholesale and their heads are stuffed full of nonsense which they consider to be the truth. With subjects such as whats on these forums (Camelot & Avalon) you HAVE to be sceptical, please people do not belive everything you read, THINK about whats being said.

By the way, Eyes wide open, The picture you use looks nearly idenical to something that I saw. I'll have to explain: I was tripping on mushrooms, really really tripping, to the extent where all I could do was lie on my bed. After an uncertain amount of time going through what felt like a review of my whole life, good and bad, I came back and what you have in your picture was floating a few feet above my head, with what looked like a multi coloured thread connected to my forehead. It felt as this thing was living and I felt totally calm and peacefull in its presence. I can't remember how long this lasted. Now that is is true, I promise!

Thanks,

Merlin

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Hey guys. I must sound very grumpy! Sorry if I caused offence. I did not mean to. :)

Also, thanks for the words of support.

Zetatalk is great for preperation materials but I find nancy dubious.

merlin, enthogens, if used correctly & IN MODERATION WITH RESPECT can be wonderful things.

Anyway, love & light to all.

[Ashatav]

Yeah, totally agree, 70-90% bs. Those new agers and those alarmists... jaja

[mntruthseeker]

Giaoue

That was brilliantly put. I know alot of those people myself.


I do have an open mind and I have to say that I believe probally more than I should, But thats ok, I just let it out my mouth. Have to make room for the good stuff that is sure to follow. Its easy to do in the rooms where the truth is spoken. The back up links are aways listed.


I will look for your story.

[GoingToFast]

Eyes wide open,

I have to tell you that I agree with what you say.
It really p*sses me off sometimes when I read some of the stuff thats claimed to be truth without a shred of evidence, or even credability.
And people just swallow this stuff up wholesale and their heads are stuffed full of nonsense which they consider to be the truth. With subjects such as whats on these forums (Camelot & Avalon) you HAVE to be sceptical, please people do not belive everything you read, THINK about whats being said.

By the way, Eyes wide open, The picture you use looks nearly idenical to something that I saw. I'll have to explain: I was tripping on mushrooms, really really tripping, to the extent where all I could do was lie on my bed. After an uncertain amount of time going through what felt like a review of my whole life, good and bad, I came back and what you have in your picture was floating a few feet above my head, with what looked like a multi coloured thread connected to my forehead. It felt as this thing was living and I felt totally calm and peacefull in its presence. I can't remember how long this lasted. Now that is is true, I promise!

Thanks,

Merlin

Hey Man, Whats the name of that mushroom.

[SHAMANKA]

Hello all, I am a new around here and just wanted to jump in and say hello. I agree with what has been said re being self aware and looking out for BS. I am new to forum posting so I hope I can contribute in some way. I keep thinking of the saying -where there is fear there is power -and I am noticing more and more how much I am avoiding buying into fear, even todays news about another financial collapse- I feel detached yet alert. I have no way of moving to safe place as I am a full time carer, on a very low income. Connecting in this way is important to me as I am sure there must be many others like me, who for various reasons feel very isolated and alone when they read some of the chilling speculations that are being made.

[lock'N'load]

I do have an open heart. I am infact thinking of sharing my contact experiences here. I just dont want to see this forum desend into new age clap trap like I have seen in other forums.

You have to remember that not everything that sits outside of your boundries of reality is clap trap.

There is a lot the people dont know, in fact. The majority that the common person thinks he knows is absolute clap trap.

We have been robbed of our power, and anyone who mentions that we have that power is deemed a new ager. Thats not fair, i agree that noone should let their brain fall out, hardly healthy. But branding everything that you disagree with as new age clap trap is the same as keeping your brain nicely confined to a little box.

We use 15% of our brains at the best of times. We are working at 15% of our potential, and most are not even working at that capacity.

So there are things that we are capable of that most cannot even comprehend. We are still infants to our potential, we have much to learn about ourselves.

I belive Jesus did exist. I believe this for my own reasons. I also believe he was capable of many things that were deemed impossible (or 'new age crap') and he was capable of this because he understood the potential of the human form.

You only have to look around to see how powerfull we are at manifestation. Because we have been locked into lower level vibrations through conditioning from cradle to grave we have manifested a negative society.

Love is very powerfull, a being who feels only love is capable of manifesting incredible things. Our emotions play a very large role in how we create our realities. Through our emotions, our thoughts and our actions we are capable of doing incredible things.

Ive seen many "miracles" in my life. And i know i would not have witnessed these if i had not let my brain fall out.

I can only speak from experience, and its up to everyone to see this for themselves because right now our race is suffering from such ignorant scepticism and such a lack of trust that they are confining themselves to a very limited stream of information.

If i could only share the wonders of my life with you and let you see what i have seen i would die a happy man.

Life is powerfull. If you want to experience the magic, let your brain fall out.

[visual co-creator]

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[JohnWdoe]

hahaha i use this term daily :)

We need to honestly be grounded to face what is ahead.

[whitecrow]

Question is, Which 1%?


I was serious when I said it's all true, it's all ox droppings. It's a little like my job at a health food store. We sell thousands of supplements, some of them extremely expensive, very few of them cheap. I remarked on day to my boss that about 90% of what we sell is useless. He was startled until he realized that what I was saying was that the remaining 10% is different for everyone.

I do think of this as spiritual nutrition. It's not of real importance to me if you believe we're going to be rescued by space aliens or that we are all going to become immaterial through increased vibrations, or that the rapture is just around the corner. If that is the kind of spiritual food that inspires you to be kind and to seek truth, well and good.

Not to flog an already-strained metaphor, but in terms of spiritual vitamins, established religions are like your One-A-Day and Centrum. They make you feel like you're doing something for yourself, and they're glad to take your money. But their products don't actually protect your health or build your body; for the most part they go right on through you. It takes a little effort to learn the difference between natural vitamins and laboratory products, and then to find a source where you can begin to feed yourself real food. But i'ts worth it because you can feel the difference.

So, which 1% or which 10%? That's the question. There are commonalities...everyone needs a multivitamin, antioxidants, a source of omega-3, probiotics. Beyond that lies a journey of discovery. Some people really need extra iron....it's toxic, though, for most of us. Some folks use valerian as a sleep aid, others do better with melatonin. You get the idea. That's the value of a free-for-all forum like this....the goods are on the shelves, and it's up to us to find what moves us forward.

Congratulations. You're shopping at one of those hidden treasures of a shop. You could be standing in line at Walmart.

[DK84]

Finally, a voice of reason here! Thanks EYO. I'd say that it already has descended into a "new age clap trap" though, which is why I'll likely leave soon.

Before I do though, I want to get out the truth about some of this info:

Particularly exposing George Green and the ridiculous pronunciatation of the name "Jesus" that is going around thanks to Mr. Wilcock's newest interview.

The truth about George Green is that he has no contact with any ET's whatsoever, and is plagarizing "Billy" Eduard Albert Meier's material, getting it wrong, and adding his own spin to it in the process. ET's aren't telling him to "wait", the final WW3 warning signs from Mr. Meier's prophecies still haven't occured. That's why he's not leaving yet. All of this is true, but, of course, it's up to Mr. Green to admit that he's a charlatan/liar.

I'll add more in the Camelot forum though, since it really pertains more to that section seeing as how Green's interviews are with Camelot.

Regarding David Wilcock's ridiculous pronunciation "Yehoshua":

The reality is that, in Aramaic, the name would be pronounced "Eeyeshua". I'm guessing that David took it from Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ", although he's still pronouncing it incorrectly. This is essentially a moot point because "Jesus" wasn't even the guy's real name; it was "Jmmanuel" (pronounced "Yeemmanuel" or "Eemmanuel").

Which is why his statement about the name "Jesus Christ", which is either Latin or Greek and translates to "annointed one of god", is accurate.

The fact that that wasn't his real name is even alluded to in various verses throught the Bible, for example: just open up the old testament and check out Isaiah 7: 14, Isaiah 8: 8, and possibly Matthew 1: 23, among others.


The other thing is something which I posted elsewhere, but will post again here. It pertains to those of us in the US, the US economy, martial law, and FEMA detention camps:

Okay everybody, calm down. Martial law will be necessary because of the the public's behavior after the US economic collapse.

The camps (which are NOT concentration type camps) are for people who are militant and those who will be causing trouble in general; they're NOT for everyone.

The point being that you aren't going to be taken to a camp unless you're behaving in an unreasonable (i.e. militant) manner.

Reasonable individuals won't be taken to the camps.

The key here is for people to behave REASONABLY, not in a militant/chaotic manner.

People are reading too much into the whole thing and assume that these camps have something to do with the depopulation agenda. They don't; they're prisons in which to keep the thousands of militant nuts who will arise once the **** hits the fan in the US (the economic collapse).

The coming situation is to bring the North American Union and the Amero, not depopulation.

Once again: People need to remain REASONABLE in the time ahead if they want to stay out of those camps.

[Rebeccaofdreamhill]

For my Self, it is ALL about having an Open heart...this is key. The heart has a bigger brain than we KNOW!! I try not to focus on others, instead, focusing on my own intuition, intention and flow of energy, reading and interpreting LIFE from my heart. Seems to have created some magic in my reality...ahhhhhh...

[unlimited mind]

here are just some rambling thoughts on this stream...........

truth is in the eye of the beholder. is that a truth?

want proof? all i can give is my personal experience, will that do?

my truth changes daily. it changes daily because my level of awareness changes daily. my level of awareness changes because i ask a lot of questions, and then the uni verse sends me some more answers based on the chemicals that my brain projects magnetically into the quantum field.

there may be lots of things within the walls of this forum that some have already made their way thru, meaning they have already ingested the awareness and came out on the other side. but there are also those that have been drawn to the vibration of this forum to get to the other side.

is this not of the highest and best good of ALL of the ONE's that we are?

this forum should be a place where everyone can share with one another, lay it all out there as a group and see where the energy flows. judging another persons awareness is comparable to insanity. how many times does one need to do this before realizing it is in vain?

remember remember remember
allow allow allow
release release release

[JohnWdoe]

Look at how many people looked at this thread! i have been keeping an eye on the thread counts and noticed that all of the high views are in fact New Age mystics.

Personally i rarely post on forums and prefer a nice cup of tea with a chat over posting on forums. To stab that i can also say when will i ever get a chance to meet John Lear? more so share a cup of tea with him! lol


The flood gate has opened and here again i say "i do NOT judge you for your true being but rather the information/hard facts presented, albeit i find some real problems with how they think i will never let myself become Ayn Rand. i cant believe she would rather look at skyscrapers then the stars because man made them, what a joke...

i digress but i just want to show you all that my personal searching has once again led me back to myself without any biased concepts, i was once quite deep into Eastern Mysticism and to me i felt like i had answered all the weird questions i once asked, hardly did i answer them but rather understand another's idea, that never crossed my mind.

To all you mystics and ascended ones... what is it that you seek in life? do you ever question if you are really real? how much do you personally use meditation and projection? and why? what does the world mean to you and why do you seek love/light? have you ever had thoughts that you simply cant control and your brain seems to be speaking without consent? if so what are those voice saying? something about your teachings?

I think its hard because this subject you must tread on lightly... i will tell you how i feel though don't ever think i wont when your floating away from reality in a hand basket, if your genuine and a good person i really see no reason to think and be India. Alot of the West is simply without ANY culture,this i have always known but realized more so as i grew up, it seems for the better to.

Now i realize where my true power of self came from -it was always me even more i had to find myself without a culture guide, that has alot of pitfalls but i always thought to persevere.

To tab a label on something leaves you at the mercy of humanity that is why you will never see me call myself anything but my name.

A name can have much more power then any creed.

[lock'N'load]

It might be helpfull to instead of making a thread generalising everything as new age crap to make a thread debating whichever subject it is that you disagree with.

That way some good might come out of it.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

typical example of what i mean...

"doood - real evidence & proof that the pledians will save us on 14th october!!!!!!"

when infact all it is, is a youtube link with somebody stating their opinion as FACT. maybe new age claptrap was a bit harsh, I just mean the willingness of people to belive in anything is very worrying.
And it seems to be happening a lot in these forums.

What we need is CALM, INTELLIGENT & REASONED disscussion if we are to move forward.



love & light to all!

[lock'N'load]

typical example of what i mean...

"doood - real evidence & proof that the pledians will save us on 14th october!!!!!!"

when infact all it is, is a youtube link with somebody stating their opinion as FACT. maybe new age claptrap was a bit harsh, I just mean the willingness of people to belive in anything is very worrying.
And it seems to be happening a lot in these forums.

What we need is CALM, INTELLIGENT & REASONED disscussion if we are to move forward.

(see, even contactees have a ******** meter! :)

love & light to all!

I feel ya mate, its like what i was saying in a different thread about people posting all kinds of doomsday prophecies.
They seem oblivious to the effects it has on the people who read them, and i know for a fact that the majority of these prophecies are just out there to make someone a few quid.

Needless to say, i know much more then a few handfulls of people around here who have ended their lifes from the terror that this mindless posting of information has caused.

But i disagree with your approach to the situation, you just made a massive generalisation with this post and you didnt even mention what 'clap trap' you were refering too.

That is why we have forums, so if there is something we disagree with we bring it into open discussion and debate it rationally and logically.

And i might add, im all for deleting posts that have been classified as bunk, theres nothing worse then disinformation.

[Andre]

I fully agree with you, EYES WIDE OPEN.

We must think in a rational and logical manner, receiving all the data and information, encrypting, decrypting, analyzing and interpreting, listening the views of others, research more and more, and finally drawing our conclusions with a view to educating others so that they can start the same cycle we started.

We must not try to venture into the absurd.

[Merlin]

Hey Man, Whats the name of that mushroom.

Hi Going to fast,
The mushrooms are commonly calld majic mushrooms but the active drug is psilocybin ( not sure if thats spelled correctly ). They can be found around this time of year, first frost kills them off. any where sheep graze is usually a good spot to look, dunno why. You have to know what they look like so Google Majic Mushrooms. My advice is to start with a few and see how you feel about 40 mins later. At the time of that experiance I posted, a group of friends went out and gathered enough mushrooms for about six of us to have a good trip. What happened to me was the rest of the guys left the mushrooms in my place to dry out, we were all gonna take them later that evening and have a trip. So the six portions were divided up and left on newspaper on top of the radiater to dry out for later. I got impatiant and scoffed my portion. About half an hour later I was really trippin' and I felt so good that I took all five other portions aswell, you know the rest.

Merlin.

[Esteban]

I agree. about 90% is bs. most of this forum is about new age crap. i'm sorry if i offend people but i don't wanna hear "if it works for you it's fine" or "maybe you don't believe it but others do" again. reltivism is not the answer! and new age is a tool that the illuminati (the jesuits) use to control people. i think less than half of the forum members saw the Project Camelot interviews.

[Esteban]

I fully agree with you, EYES WIDE OPEN.

We must think in a rational and logical manner, receiving all the data and information, encrypting, decrypting, analyzing and interpreting, listening the views of others, research more and more, and finally drawing our conclusions with a view to educating others so that they can start the same cycle we started.

We must not try to venture into the absurd.

finnaly someone with comonn sense. i don't wanna hear people saying that we should abandon reason to let our spirit take control like some in the forum say, that's just stupid. people LET US REASON TOGHETHER AND CUT THE NEW AGE B.S.!

[zorgon]

I fully agree with you, EYES WIDE OPEN.

We must think in a rational and logical manner, receiving all the data and information, encrypting, decrypting, analyzing and interpreting, listening the views of others, research more and more, and finally drawing our conclusions with a view to educating others so that they can start the same cycle we started.

We must not try to venture into the absurd.


Well while you "receiving all the data and information, encrypting, decrypting, analyzing and interpreting"... I will be busy making sure my household is secure and has an emergency plan... Right now our pantry holds easily three months food and our pool has 35,000 gallons of water that could be used for drinking if need be...

Its always wise to be prepared... THEN you can sit back on a forum and preach doom and gloom

Now then how about a list of what you need?

I will add the first item...

TOILET PAPER

Oh yeah? just try living without that for a month... :P

And forget money... it will be worthless...

Stockpile liquor and things like pocket knives and water proof matches :biggrin2:

Booze will be worth more than gold when things go bad...

[Namaste2012]

I'd have to agree that everything you read here is not true...it should go without saying. Alot of it is just a persons perception of what is real. Is the glass half full or half empty? Don't believe anything. Belief is very limiting, once you believe something you close your eyes to anything that does not agree with that belief. Also keep in mind our perception is very limited in the grand scale of things.

Namaste'

[Namaste2012]

If you had to pick one thing to stockpile it should be food or water. You can have anything else and it will be for nothing if you don't have anything to eat or drink.

Namaste'

[conjuredUp]

here are just some rambling thoughts on this stream...........

truth is in the eye of the beholder. is that a truth?

want proof? all i can give is my personal experience, will that do?

my truth changes daily. it changes daily because my level of awareness changes daily. my level of awareness changes because i ask a lot of questions, and then the uni verse sends me some more answers based on the chemicals that my brain projects magnetically into the quantum field.

there may be lots of things within the walls of this forum that some have already made their way thru, meaning they have already ingested the awareness and came out on the other side. but there are also those that have been drawn to the vibration of this forum to get to the other side.

is this not of the highest and best good of ALL of the ONE's that we are?

this forum should be a place where everyone can share with one another, lay it all out there as a group and see where the energy flows. judging another persons awareness is comparable to insanity. how many times does one need to do this before realizing it is in vain?

remember remember remember
allow allow allow
release release release


Perfect!

LOVELOVELOVE

[lock'N'load]

I'd love to know what you are all reffering to as new age crap?

This is bordering on silly. If you do not understand or do not believe something that is posted here you have every right to discuss it rationally and in a civilised manner - In the thread where it is already being discussed.

Right now, anyone who comes here will see this post and some will be confused as to what you are refering too.

Being specific about certain issues can avoid confusion, all this thread is doing is adding to that confusion (ie. - NOT helping in any way shape or form). We all know not to believe everything we hear, that goes without saying. We all posses just the same ability to assimilate information, just like you.
If your so concerned then do your bit by debating that which does not sit well with you, on the required thread.

Please be specific, and do not generalise when refering to 'new age crap' because it is an incredibly vast topic.

New age information is not new at all, its just the (mainstream) publics knowledge of it that is new. - (and this topic stretches from Astral Projection to Clairvoyance to Telepathy and many many more subjects)
I find it wildly offensive to hear anyone refering to it as 'new age crap'.

[Anchor]

I will add the first item...

TOILET PAPER

Oh yeah? just try living without that for a month... :P

And forget money... it will be worthless...

Ok, I will wipe my butt with my spare cash :)

Seriously, you raise good points.

Living without hot water is an aquired taste too - also if you are caffeine or nicotine addicted, the first few days without will be hell.

[Kahunamahalo]

No amount of good intentions, channeling, peace, love & understanding will save our asses from the business end of a gun wanting the meager stores of food & water we have saved. We need to use the skills that we have accumulated in order survive. If the big one really goes down, it's not going to be Earth II, it will most likely be people scrapping for a rotten onion. One look at the aftermath of Katrina will tell us that humans can resort to violence and throw away all civility within 3 days of being denied basic services.

What will happen in a post-apocalyptic world? Will it happen? NOBODY can know for sure. The likely hood of it happening is greater now than ever before. What I am saying is have common sense, put stores of food, water & fuel away, if praying is your think, thats cool. But keep a sensible mind, you may need it.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

NEW AGE CLAP TRAP WAS A BAD CHOICE OF WORD ON MY PART.

What I am really getting at is peoples willingness to belive anything & everything.

Some of us require evidence. I have already been called names by John Lear for daring to question him in the 9/11 thread.

The recent thread here is a good example. (post 13)http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2159


Anyway, hope thats a bit clearer now. :original:

[lock'N'load]

Ahh much clearer. Its sometimes wise to to get into the habit of not generalising certain subjects, for obvious reasons.

As for the John Lear thread, i have not personally read that.
But my opinion on 9/11 can be shown in just a few points.

- There were nuclear devices used to bring the building down, there is no other explanation for its disintegration into nano particles.

- It was done to get the people to ask (beg?) the government to tighten up their shackles, ohh and also a pretext to enter the middle east, a subject that would require another thread to discuss.

- It WAS an inside job, no offence but if after thorough research you have not come to this conclusion you need a reality check.

I think they are the most important aspects and i dont see the point in quareling about the other minor details, they are of no real significance.

The reason i said something was because it is off putting to people who may want to start researching subjects like Astral projection, telepathy, remote viewing, bi-location, levitation, etc when they hear it so often refered to as 'new age clap trap'. We do not know very much about these phenomina but im more then convinced about many of them myslef. Such topics deserve our respect.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

I agree with all your 9/11 points. :)

[Esteban]

Ahh much clearer. Its sometimes wise to to get into the habit of not generalising certain subjects, for obvious reasons.

As for the John Lear thread, i have not personally read that.
But my opinion on 9/11 can be shown in just a few points.

- There were nuclear devices used to bring the building down, there is no other explanation for its disintegration into nano particles.

- It was done to get the people to ask (beg?) the government to tighten up their shackles, ohh and also a pretext to enter the middle east, a subject that would require another thread to discuss.

- It WAS an inside job, no offence but if after thorough research you have not come to this conclusion you need a reality check.

I think they are the most important aspects and i dont see the point in quareling about the other minor details, they are of no real significance.

The reason i said something was because it is off putting to people who may want to start researching subjects like Astral projection, telepathy, remote viewing, bi-location, levitation, etc when they hear it so often refered to as 'new age clap trap'. We do not know very much about these phenomina but im more then convinced about many of them myslef. Such topics deserve our respect.

spirituallity is fine. but not all spirituallity is new age. actually new age is not that vast. new age is a movement created by the secret societies to control people's minds. it became very popular within the hippie movement. i ghess the best way to describe new age is HIPPY. hippie movement is Aleister Crowley's dream come true. just a bunch of non-thinking-too-lazy-to-give-a-damm-people who believe they are smarter than every other hard working people. new age = hippysm = relativism.

"Relativism is a legacy of the New Age. I think relativism is quite dangerous. I don't think the Truth requires our belief in it. Anyone can guess on the number of stars in the universe yet it will have no bearing on how many stars there are in the universe. There is a set number of stars and God knows what it is. Whatever "truth" we have about it doesn't change it."

[lock'N'load]

spirituallity is fine. but not all spirituallity is new age. actually new age is not that vast. new age is a movement created by the secret societies to control people's minds. it became very popular within the hippie movement. i ghess the best way to describe new age is HIPPY. hippie movement is Aleister Crowley's dream come true. just a bunch of non-thinking-too-lazy-to-give-a-damm-people who believe they are smarter than every other hard working people. new age = hippysm = relativism.

"Relativism is a legacy of the New Age. I think relativism is quite dangerous. I don't think the Truth requires our belief in it. Anyone can guess on the number of stars in the universe yet it will have no bearing on how many stars there are in the universe. There is a set number of stars and God knows what it is. Whatever "truth" we have about it doesn't change it."



Im sorry but using stereotypes when i talk to people is just something i cannot do.
I dislike using them and i dislike when people implement them into a conversation, the use stereotypes and generalisations just adds confusion and serves to seperate people into different groups which ultimitaly leads to a break down in communication.

When we label people we put them into a little box and lock them into a specific group which is entirely unspecific and wildely inacurate. And aside from that it is designed to rob people of their credibility and works in exactly the same way as religion does. People are using different language to describe the same thing.

There is no 'New age movement' There are just people learning about certain subjects that are deemed new to our current culture. To throw a generalisation around this completely robs it of its value and is akin to calling a man with long hair a rocker.

We can see how this works in school.

Jocks
Preps
Geeks
Grunge
Rockers
The list goes on and on and on.

I am everything. I like to listen to rock music while i play football. I enjoy broadening my inteligence whilst listening to Nirvana. I would feel very offended if someone branded me into a specific category.

The use of labels and generalisations just serves to seperate us and is something that we should have rid ourselves of a long long time ago.

Communication is much easier when people make an effort to be specific with what they are talking about. There is no specific group of people. There are specific groups of subjects.. but you could not call someone who practices Astral Projection a shaman or a new ager, he is simply someone who practises some form of spiritual exercise along with many many other hobbies that can and most often are completely unrelated.

The powers that be want you to use stereotypes because it is a form of divide and conquer and it works in exactly the same way as Religion does, a means to cause seperation, confusion, misunderstanding and disrespect. And most importantly a means of division.

excuse the length of this post, i went off on one there. :mfr_lol:

[bodzoyfa]

Finally, a voice of reason here! Thanks EYO. I'd say that it already has descended into a "new age clap trap" though, which is why I'll likely leave soon.

Before I do though, I want to get out the truth about some of this info:

Particularly exposing George Green and the ridiculous pronunciatation of the name "Jesus" that is going around thanks to Mr. Wilcock's newest interview.

The truth about George Green is that he has no contact with any ET's whatsoever, and is plagarizing "Billy" Eduard Albert Meier's material, getting it wrong, and adding his own spin to it in the process. ET's aren't telling him to "wait", the final WW3 warning signs from Mr. Meier's prophecies still haven't occured. That's why he's not leaving yet. All of this is true, but, of course, it's up to Mr. Green to admit that he's a charlatan/liar.

I'll add more in the Camelot forum though, since it really pertains more to that section seeing as how Green's interviews are with Camelot.

Regarding David Wilcock's ridiculous pronunciation "Yehoshua":

The reality is that, in Aramaic, the name would be pronounced "Eeyeshua". I'm guessing that David took it from Gibson's "The Passion of the Christ", although he's still pronouncing it incorrectly. This is essentially a moot point because "Jesus" wasn't even the guy's real name; it was "Jmmanuel" (pronounced "Yeemmanuel" or "Eemmanuel").

Which is why his statement about the name "Jesus Christ", which is either Latin or Greek and translates to "annointed one of god", is accurate.

The fact that that wasn't his real name is even alluded to in various verses throught the Bible, for example: just open up the old testament and check out Isaiah 7: 14, Isaiah 8: 8, and possibly Matthew 1: 23, among others.


The other thing is something which I posted elsewhere, but will post again here. It pertains to those of us in the US, the US economy, martial law, and FEMA detention camps:

Okay everybody, calm down. Martial law will be necessary because of the the public's behavior after the US economic collapse.

The camps (which are NOT concentration type camps) are for people who are militant and those who will be causing trouble in general; they're NOT for everyone.

The point being that you aren't going to be taken to a camp unless you're behaving in an unreasonable (i.e. militant) manner.

Reasonable individuals won't be taken to the camps.

The key here is for people to behave REASONABLY, not in a militant/chaotic manner.

People are reading too much into the whole thing and assume that these camps have something to do with the depopulation agenda. They don't; they're prisons in which to keep the thousands of militant nuts who will arise once the **** hits the fan in the US (the economic collapse).

The coming situation is to bring the North American Union and the Amero, not depopulation.

Once again: People need to remain REASONABLE in the time ahead if they want to stay out of those camps.

And just how do you think the US economy has ended up with this impending collapse on its hands? A lot of intentional bad decisions, thats how. You tell everyone to be calm about martial law because we'll need it. The same people that got us to this place will be the same ones controlling the concentration camps. How are we supposed to just be calm about that? My friend I believe your heart is in the right place, but your naivety was pervasive throughout your whole comment.

[Jenny]

there is alot of stuff appearing on these forums. I would say about half is bull.

Judge all info carefully before you go around spouting it as truth.

That is all. :)


Discernement is a prevalent quality that is needed in this time and age.

Feeling good has nothing to do with the ability to feel.
The argument ( grinn) of ; =this or that is what I feel= mostly comes from trying very hard to feel good and silence fear instead of using the ability to really feel.

Discernement...practice discernment.

[whitecrow]

...new age is a movement created by the secret societies to control people's minds. it became very popular within the hippie movement. i ghess the best way to describe new age is HIPPY...just a bunch of non-thinking-too-lazy-to-give-a-damm-people who believe they are smarter than every other hard working people. new age = hippysm = relativism.

The opinion you express as facts is only partly true. I was there, pal. The descent of the hippie movement into drugs and corruption was due in part to the CIA. There were plenty of disinformation sources. But if you didn't live through the 60s you can only imagine what it was like. The Vietnam War went on forever, and every time you turned around one of the "good guys" was getting assassinated. The hippies started out as serious nonviolent revolutionaries, and the government responded because we had power and we scared them.



"Relativism is a legacy of the New Age. I think relativism is quite dangerous. I don't think the Truth requires our belief in it..."

Relativism is hardly a legacy of the New Age. It's older than Pontius Pilate, who mused: "What is truth?" The outlook you express is absolutism. In my view, absolutism is at least as dangerous as relativism - but they are just words. Things like adaptability and flexibility in the ways we respond to our environment are usually virtues. Bullheaded refusal to concede anything may be useful at times, but that is the usual description of an obstacle to truth, not a sign pointing toward it.

For what it's worth I too think there is a lot of nonsense out there. I don't care to label it all "New Age" or any other name. I think it comes in all shapes and sizes. I also think that what we actually know is far less than what we think we do.

I keep my mind propped wide open. I use my innate reasoning ability as best I can, and I use the discernment that I have gained through six decades of living. I always consider that I could be mistaken. I often have been. But my brain is anchored firmly in place. I hasn't fallen out yet.

[omnicentricity]

whitecrow you really get this my friend.

EYES WIDE OPEN - I understand why you made this thread, and it certainly is relevant to remind people to maintain a level of discernment with their own intutition. This is helpful... but throwing around a cliche Bertrand Russel quote while generalizing a big chunk of unspecified information as crap doesn't really make the reminder ANY more precise...

If you have contact experiences, I am sure many people would LOVE to hear them, specifically in reference to HOW they were significant in shaping your current beliefs and behaviors. Personally, I could not give less of a **** if the contact experiences were "real" or not... or the fact that you may not have any proof of the experiences... or if the experiences was channeled from a mind control satellite... or WHATEVER! There may be a nugget of gold within what you could share that could contribute to my life or others' lives in a postive way. There is really no good reason NOT to share it, my friend!

Projecting external judgements onto yourself may not always be an effective behavior :)

All the extraneous possiblities that may or may not be crap are actually irrelevant, because if I am presented with any sort of information, from any source, and I take the time to let it absorb, THERE IS VALUE IN ANYTHING.

Why? Because EVERYTHING IS VALUABLE.

It simply does not matter if the information is even "true", in whatever esoteric level we choose to define that term, from whichever level of consciousness we have cultivated within ourselves.

And with a SHARP MIND and a DISCERNING SPIRIT, it matters not if I get a nugget of gold from a source that another person may judgementally reject... as long as I understand WHY I am accepting the concept/feeling/perspective.

I CHOOSE to REFINE my own BEINGNESS and EVOLVE my SELF for the betterment of me, my family, my friends, my community, my nation, the world, the cosmos, and everything therein. I am not going to speak for everyone else here, but I am rather confident that most of the people at this forum would most likely smile and nod at the statement above :)

What is the point? Well, since we can understand that beliefs are just thoughts we have chosen to charge with emotional energy, it means they actually can be as dynamically interchangeable as thoughts themselves! In fact, I would say that in a given day, the only time I am actually believing certain things are when I need to model the belief to explain a concept to another person, or to engage them from their model of the world.

The divinity of Jesus, holographic technology of 9/11, channeled information, cloning Elvis, or ANY example which may or may not be beyond absurd is actually not a relevant subject... until we are engaging another human being who is projecting their experience of reality THROUGH one of these thought patterns (my Self included of course).

If I am speaking to my 84 year old grandmother and she mentions terrorists, it does not serve the situation in any way to assault her consciousness with 9/11 conspiracy realities. If I just met the father of a new girlfriend I happen to be with, and he says something about Jesus, there is absolutely no point to me going into a segue about how Jesus maybe didn't exist or that he was an alien or whatever.

Within the context of social dynamics, relevance of this stuff only matters in terms of "how can I connect, love, understand, share with, and co-create a higher state of consciousness with the person/people I am interacting with RIGHT NOW?"

From this place, ALL of this stuff is true, and furthermore, what if 100% of ALL of this information collectively is only scratching the surface of a reality that is levels of magnitude beyond what we can even imagine? What is that means that a 1,000,000% of it is actually true?

Then again, maybe it is just 50%. Or maybe 1%. Perhaps none of it is true. Maybe we are all just collectively delusional.

But it empowers me and every being I exchange energy with to feel the KNOWING of the fact that WE are AVATARS of this age, and through our positive collective contributions, what we are choosing to create is an experience of reality that will bring more Light and more Love to Universe.

For this reason, in the spirit of the quantum reality we incarnated within, I choose to agree and disagree with everything that all of you say simultaneously!

One thing that resonates as true for me, is that questions such as: "How is this valuable? How does this connect? How does this positively contribute?" are in most cases infintely better questions to ask than their antitheses.

Give your Self a hug, imagine yourself healthly, happy, and whole - enveloped in a shimmering aura of white light and feel the love I hope this post expressed :)

Namaste,

Nate

[malakai]

Always have a plan "B"
Then sit back, relax and enjoy life.
Peace and love




Dudes! We are CREATING our realities! So, for sure, don't let yer "brains fall out" (very funny), but also, KEEP YOUR HEART WIDE OPEN!! That's the ONLY real barometer of whats' true for each of us. Don't believe it? well, good luck with that...we are still creating whether we are conscious of it or not!

I don't think you guys can REALLY think mostly everything on here is b**ls**t, cause if you did, I'm WAY sure you have lots better things to do with your precious life force!!!

LOVE YOU AND BLESSINGS TO EVERYBODY!!!!!

[Frank Samuel]

Well I am just an old 16 yr. war veteran, who survive a few bullets in my time,
I know a little about survival. Why ? Well I just told you. But my m16, 9mm,
600lbs water tank, 6 months supply of can foods, generator etc.. Does not guarantee that I will survive a tzunami hitting PR. Opps I'm SOL, that's my reality check. I have train in multiple survival schools, yet I will not place my faith in these skills alone. I live in the country and grow about 20% of my food and still I cannot say I will survive anything. The knowledge , keeping positive , believing in a better tomorrow may be a foolish dream for some, for me that simple belief makes my life and the life of my family worth living for.
I label myself just human, so what do I know ,not a dam thing, just living.

[MMe M]

I say the sky was blue, my husband says it was aqua.

Both are truth.

You must pick and choose but you will ultimately know the truth when you sleep.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

Now that october 14th didnt happen (surprsie, surprise) this needs a bump.

[Humble Janitor]

The problem with the original author is that his/her eyes are so widely open, they risk falling out of their sockets!

Just a bit of humor.

Good point but I'd rather have a wide open mind than a shackled and shuttered mind

[Buchanan561]

Now that october 14th didnt happen (surprsie, surprise) this needs a bump.

Eyes Wide Open, you did a 'good thing' starting this thread as it gave many a chance to vocalize (errr verbalize) what they think and feel during these days of doom and gloom. Many are looking for answers in many directions, and everyones point of view is taken in and helps some to sort through it all. This is needed by many. And many do not really know just exactly what they think and feel. And...reading such a thread helps them to put things in perspective. Remember, there are more people just reading these threads than there are people posting. It is the silent readers that one needs to remember as they are the ones who really needs to read all this.

Great thread to open no matter what you 'called it' in the beginning. No one knows when they start a thread just exactly what it should be called as many doors are opened as the thread progresses. It opens many doors to many avenues of thought. Hind sight is 20/20. And your thinking is right in line with many. Thanks again.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

:)

[optimistic]

Very good thread, and it would be nice if people would stop seeing conspiracies in their cereal :P

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

bump.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

I don’t want to blow my own trumpet as I know I started this thread but now that the forum is free again, I think this needs a timely bump and we should all keep our wits about us