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ojibway

12-30-2009, 02:47 AM

This is posted in another forum, I have interpreted the blue lights above Norway as the prophecy of the Blue Kachina by the Hopi.

This message comes from Manne Lindberg and Maria Bertram in Sweden, who runs the Mother Earth Network together.

Early morning the 9th of December 2009 a mysterious light phenomena of what looked like a spinning spiral was seen in the sky of northern Norway. The phenomenon, which lasted for a couple of minutes, was filmed by many and photographed by even more. The Meteorological Institute in Norway was contacted by thousands of wondering Norwegians, and the phenomenon was reported about and discussed in media all over the world. The two main interpretations was that it was a UFO- phenomenon of some sort, or a failed test shooting of a Russian missile (which later became the official explanation in many news reports).

A few days after the light phenomenon, Maria Bertram - who is a spiritual guide, medium and healer - was contacted telepathically by a civilization in cosmos who said they were responsible for the light phenomenon in the sky. They said that they had chosen her as their channel to leave a message to humanity. First, here are links to a few selected pictures and videos of the phenomenon:

Photos:
[Photo 1] http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/12/ ... 34x421.jpg
[Photo 2] http://www.wired.com/geekdad/wp-content ... 60x440.jpg
[Photo 3] http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/12/ ... _popup.jpg
[Photo 4] http://turbo.inquisitr.com/wp-content/2 ... spiral.jpg

Videos:
[Amateur video] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89LcttQWK-s
[Tv 2 Nyhetene, Norway - with subtitles] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOIcifd7bZc
[ABC News, Australia] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE5UQ0IX ... L&index=82
[NBC News, USA] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRKfLYwX-q0

A channeled message from an ascended civilization
A few days after Maria was contacted, we sat down and she prepared to recieve their message, while Manne took notes. Maria sees inner images of what they look like:
They look very much like humans, but taller. They are tall, handsome, proud, respectable and emanate enormous dignity, integrity, honor and strength. They have long hair, both males and females, as a symbol of their strength. The hair reaches far down on their backs and is arranged in different imaginative hairdos. They have pale skin and blondish hair with strains of dark brown and gray in different shades. The leader of the civilisation shows himself. He is tall, solid, and broad-shouldered. He wears a long simple vanilla white caftan that reaches down to his feet. It has a round neck and a he wears a rope around his waist and across his chest as a symbol for his leadership. The caftan is sewn of a soft, pliable cloth of high quality. He has big gray-blueish intensive eyes that are completely present in the now, and with a full focus. He has high cheekbones and no beard. Despite his marked male traits he also emanates a soft femininity. He is totally present in the now. He starts speaking with a deep gentle voice:

My name is Dibarak, and I am coming from a civilization called «The Incinvibles». We are a great warrior people, known for our courage, strength and spiritual power. The wars and the fighting we have long ago left behind us, and today we are spiritual warriors in the service of the highest good. Our main purpose today as an ascended civilization is to help other civilizations on their way towards spiritual transformation and ascendence.

-Where is your planet localized?

In the First World, the oldest part of cosmos where the central sun is situated. [According to earlier channellings, our cosmos consists of nine “worlds”, of which every world contains millions of galaxies. The Milky Way and earth is situated in the Second World.]

-Does « ascended civilization » imply that you are non-physical?

Yes, that is correct, even if we earlier existed in physical form. We have actually met in person when you [Maria and Manne] lived in this part of the cosmos in a previous incarnation, and we have had a very beneficial cooperation.

-In which dimension do you reside?

We are multidimensional, which means that we don't reside in any specific dimension.
Our civilization has had a long history of wars, hardship and unspeakable suffering, and we have gone through very hard times and difficult experiences on our way towards spiritual transcendence and enlightenment. There was a time when our fighting, pride and unreasonable attitude almost blew our civilization to pieces. But we rose out of the ruins of a great war that almost destroyed all of our planet, to create a new world in the spirit of love. Our spiritual awakening happened very abruptly and was filled with conflicts and suffering. It was a question of the survival of our civilization. In a short period of time we had to travel a very long way on our spiritual journey and go through big spiritual transformations to reach the level of consciousness we needed to create a new peaceful civilization on our planet.

We understand and sympathize with the enormous pain and the great challenges that humanity is going through today. We recognize ourself in the way many human beings bang their heads bloody against the wall without any apparent signs of development. You don't see the intolerable situation of your race, and that you are literally killing yourself. Your blindness and selfdestructiveness reminds very much of our previous behavior and what we went through before the Great War that almost wiped out all life forms on our planet.

We come to you with a message of peace and freedom. We come to you with love in our hearts. We understand and empathize with your situation and your blindness. We want to ask you to look beyond the illusions of daily struggle and to see what is happening on your planet. Just like we once were, you are now about to kill yourself as a race. You are in the eleventh hour, where major changes have to take place to stop this development that leads straight towards a future disaster.

Do not despair, it is not too late! You still have the possibility to stop this process, create change, and choose a new way just like we did. You are a grand race, creators of your own destiny. You have access to the force and the light to create your own future, but you have to start opening your eyes and acknowledge your own capacity and your own greatness. You are not victims of outer circumstances being forced upon you. Just the way you have created the situation that you are now in, you can choose a different way. Instead of lack, greed and conflict thinking you can choose a way of love, peace and harmony.

All development happens in the form of spirals, and you have to go full circle to move to the next level. But when the leap does happen it goes very fast. You are now about to take one of these deciding leaps in the development of your consciousness where you have to learn to leave your fighting and dualism behind you, to reach oneness thinking. This critical leap must happen quick, the cosmic clock is ticking and you are right now in a transition stage to the new age, where powerful energies gradually are flowing with increasing strength over your planet, changing the conditions of life on earth.
We are reaching out our hand to you from the higher dimensions, and we have sent you a greeting in your physical threedimensional world. A greeting in form of light, color and form. This is to welcome you into the cosmic communion. The cosmic quarantine that earth has been under for a very long time is finally to be lifted. You will notice this through an increasing presence of extraterrestrial civilizations on and around the earth. This process has already begun, and during the year to come you will see a further escalation. The light projection we created for you symbolizes your spiritual development as a spiral, and that you are now in a deciding moment where you take a leap towards the next level of consciousness. The blue color symbolizes intuition and creativity, and we want to inspire you all to open up your intuition and to free your creativity since you have an enormous potential as divine co-creators of your own reality. We want to encourage you to open up to the healing powers of colors, forms and light.

-Why did you choose Norway?

The energy conditions were right. There was also a thought behind doing it simultaneously as Obama was visiting Norway to recieve the Peace Price, and that it was near the climate negotiations in Denmark. Humanity is making many important decisions right now and we want to inspire you.

-So it was a light projection that people saw, not an actual space craft?

Yes, it was a light projection from another dimension. It's like crop circles, which are made by ascended civilizations. They perform the creation of the crop circles by reaching you from another dimension, and not by being present physically. But other civilizations will visit you in physical crafts.

-Was it you that also created the strong orange and white light flashes outside our apartment, that lit up the whole backyard the other night?

Yes, that was us.

-Do the colors you used on our backyard symbolize anything?

We used the lights and colors that were already present on the spot [for example the orange lights from the lampposts] and multiplied the intensity of the light to create the flashes. It's also us who have created similar light phenomena outside of your apartment at earlier occasions, to show you that we are present with you.

Do know that the human race are not alone in the cosmos and that there are many other civilizations at your service helping you in the challenges you are now facing. Countless civilizations in cosmos are now following the earth in this critical moment. Since we have gone through a similar process, we feel that we have lot of experience to share. We will gladly assist you in the different ways you need. But do know that you have to take responsibility for your spiritual development yourselves. That task can not be handed over to anyone else.

Beloved humans, it is time for you to wake up, to drowsily sit up in bed and look around you to realize what kind of world you have created for yourselves. There is no natural law saying that life has to consist of struggle, conflicts and hardship. It's possible to create a world of abundance and love, where everyone have their needs met according to the highest good. You all belong together. You are all parts of the same whole, and every missing link in the great cosmic web affects the whole. It's not until you reach the insight of this cosmic wisdom that all is one and build your civilization according to this principle that you are able to create a world of true abundance of love, creativity, material convenience and technological advancement.

To survive in this new world that is coming into existence, it will not be possible to live according to the out-dated mindset of conflict and lack. When you are entering this new age, a new energy reality will come into existence in which the cosmic laws of like attracts like will manifest faster and more powerful than you are used to. We are referring to the law of cause and effect which imply that what you send out is what you recieve. This means that greed and conflict thinking will be met with the same energies. The only possibility for humanity to survive in this new energy reality is to choose the way of love, to live with open heart chakras and to become one with the cosmic flow of love. The way of love is the only way for humanity's survival.

One thing we ask ourselves is why you have turned away from Gaia's [earth's] inner healing energies. You are standing on a goldmine that you have forgotten about, and even let it be weakened and almost fade away completely. The life force coming from inside Gaia is a condition for all life forms on earth, and without Gaia's inner energies you can not reach spiritual transformation! The life force inside Gaia helps you expanding your consciousness and reaching the insights and the energy levels needed to choose the way of love into your future. Your earth is suffering, and she needs your help! She goes through tremendous pain from the aggressive unbalanced technology present on the earth, and by how she is tormented every day. Gaia needs your help to rebalance her energies. Humans are fantastic channels for healing energies, both to heal yourselves and your planet. Open up your energy consciousness and let the healing energies flow through you to reach higher levels of consciousness. You need to clear your energy bodies from pollution and imbalances to reach your full potential. You are fantastic cosmic divine beings, only waiting to be awaken from your beauty sleep. But you have to take the first step yourselves, you have to wake yourselves up! Human beings have a free will and you can not be forced to do something against your will. Its up to you which decisions you make and which way you choose.

We would like to give you a gift. Our gift is of a very special kind. It is not of physical nature, you can't touch it, and you can't see it with your physical eyes in your threedimensional reality. We will make a collective healing session where all members of our civilisation simultaneously will send healing to humanity and your planet. It will be a gigantic energy transmission where we give you the energies that we have and that we think you will need as a part of your process towards this important leap you are about to take. We are inviting all of you that are reached by this message to participate by making yourselves more receptive to our energies, and to link your consciousness to ours for a moment. Additionally, we will send you inner images and visions to help you visualizing the new spiritual age that you are entering as an age of love, peace and harmony. We want to encourage you to take part in this visualization of a new world on earth, since its a very powerful way to create a desired future. The energy transmission and the meditative visualization will happen during one hour, Thursday the 7th of January between 8 pm and 9 pm [CET Time Zone, use http://www.timeanddate.com to convert to your zone]. You are welcome to participate the full hour or just a part of it, in other words, if you only want to participate for 15 minutes, that's fine. This will be the first official collective healing session between two different civilizations in the modern history of mankind. Please spread this message to as many as possible!

-Even internationally?

Yes.

-Can you give us any instructions for the healing session?

Prepare yourself like you are preparing for a normal meditation or energy transmission. Visualize that you are making yourself receptive for the healing and opening up your heart chakra. Visualize the new spiritual age as a world full of love, peace and harmony. Focus on being completely present in the moment during the whole session.
We are hoping to create a cooperation between our civilizations to develop a lasting friendship between us, and an exchange of experiences and wisdom, as a way of gently introducing you into the cosmic communion.
We would like to finish up by saying that we are always with you and we are following your development with excitement. We are very eager to help you as much as we can in this last challenging time in the passage to the new age and the new world.
We are sending you our love and understanding, and always know that you have our support.
Thank you for listening.

[Dibarak puts his hands together in front of his chest and makes a humble bow, and a strong light shines between his palms.]

--

About the Mother Earth Network
Maria Bertram – spiritual guide, medium and healer - runs the Mother Earth Network together with Manne Lindberg who is responsible for information and communication. The network, which today consists of a couple of hundred members in Sweden, has as its main purpose to send distance healing (according to channelled instructions) to the earth together at every full moon. Our vision is to connect with other networks and individuals to create a global network for simultaneous healing sessions to the earth. We also teach techniques to give yourself Mother Earth-healing (referred to in the channeling), and Maria holds lectures with channelings of the Divine Consciousness combined with big healing sessions to the earth. All our activities are for free. We are cooperating with other civilizations in cosmos, masters in the spirit world, nature spirits and more, through telepathic contact. If you're interested in the network, send your e-mail address to moderjordnatverket@gmail.com and we'll send you our newsletter with information about our healing sessions to Mother Earth, and instructions how to participate and how to channel Mother Earth-healing for yourself, a very powerful tool for your spiritual development.

We hope that you've been as much inspired by Dibarak's message as we have! We appreciate if you help us spreading this message to as many as possible, and feel free to publish it on websites or blogs (we'd be glad to recieve the link if you do). For those of you who are on Facebook and want to see more images, videos and discuss this message with others, Manne has created a Facebook group called A channeled message to humanity about the “UFO spiral” in Norway. If you experience anything special during the meditation on the 7th of January, we'd appreciate if you'd share your story in an e-mail to us or in the Facebook group.

With Light, Power and Love,
/Manne & Maria (The winter solstice, December 21st, 2009)

burgundia

12-30-2009, 09:48 AM

thank you for the message...but now, as everybody can see, so many different sources claim responsibility for the Norway spiral...
I am waiting for Al-Quada to do that finally..( it was a joke...take no offence)

Aztar

12-30-2009, 10:35 AM

Interesting 1st post.

This is the part that I find the most interesting.

They said that they had chosen her

Stardustaquarion

12-30-2009, 11:31 AM

I agree with Burgundia...nothing new really but thanks anyway

ojibway

12-30-2009, 01:03 PM

Hopi Blue Star or Blue Kachina Prophecy
An ancient Hopi Indian prophecy states, "When the Blue Star Kachina makes its appearance in the heavens, the Fifth World will emerge". This will be the Day of Purification.

[Note: Reality is a metaphor in which we quest to find answers to the greater truth of who we are and why we are here. Something in our souls tells us that change is happening on a global consciousness level. The blue frequency is part of that. Sirius is Isis - Return to the feminine of higher frequency energies - Rebirth of Consciousness. Blue links to higher/future frequencies of consciousness as we spiral up through the patterns of Sacred Geometry. Blue - electricity - our reality as an electromagnetic energy grid program. Blue: Indigo children, the blue alien lady, Isis, the Pleiades, Sirius, blue galaxies, blue chakra, blue ray and ascended master, and much more that will come 'out of the blue'.]

The channelling would seem to be an emergence of the fifth dimension. Which can somewhat be referenced to mean fifth world. The Blue Kachina prophecy of the Hopi is a prophecy of death and destruction...a purification.

We are all related by Dr. Allen Ross

The end of all Hopi ceremonialism will come when a "Kachina" removes his mask during a dance in the plaza before uninitiated children [the general public]. For a while there will be no more ceremonies, no more faith. Then Oraibi will be rejuvenated with its faith and ceremonies, marking the start of a new cycle of Hopi life.

World War III will be started by those peoples who first revealed the light (the divine wisdom or intelligence) in the other old countries (India, China, Islamic Nations, Africa.)

The United States will be destroyed, land and people, by atomic bombs and radioactivity. Only the Hopis and their homeland will be preserved as an oasis to which refugees will flee. Bomb shelters are a fallacy. "It is only materialistic people who seek to make shelters. Those who are at peace in their hearts already are in the great shelter of life. There is no shelter for evil. Those who take no part in the making of world division by ideology are ready to resume life in another world, be they Black, White, Red, or Yellow race. They are all one, brothers."

The war will be "a spiritual conflict with material matters. Material matters will be destroyed by spiritual beings who will remain to create one world and one nation under one power, that of the Creator."

That time is not far off. It will come when the Saquasohuh (Blue Star) Kachina dances in the plaza and removes his mask. He represents a blue star, far off and yet invisible, which will make its appearance soon. The time is foretold by a song sung during the Wuwuchim ceremony. It was sung in 1914 just before World War I, and again in 1940 before World War II, describing the disunity, corruption, and hatred contaminating Hopi rituals, which were followed by the same evils spreading over the world. This same song was sung in 1961 during the Wuwuchim ceremony.

The Emergence to the future Fifth World has begun. It is being made by the humble people of little nations, tribes, and racial minorities. "You can read this in the earth itself. Plant forms from previous worlds are beginning to spring up as seeds [as described in SW-II, Effects and Coming Events # 1]. This could start a new study of botany if people were wise enough to read them. The same kinds of seeds are being planted in the sky as stars. The same kinds of seeds are being planted in our hearts. All these are the same, depending how you look at them. That is what makes the Emergence to the next, Fifth World.

"These comprise the nine most important prophecies of the Hopis, connected with the creation of the nine worlds: the three previous worlds on which we lived, the present Fourth World, the three future worlds we have yet to experience, and the world of Taiowa, the Creator, and his nephew, Sotuknang."

The Hopi and others who were saved from the Great Flood made a sacred covenant with the Great Spirit never to turn away from him. He made a set of sacred stone tablets, called Tiponi, into which he breathed his teachings, prophecies, and warnings. Before the Great Spirit hid himself again, he placed before the leaders of the four different racial groups four different colors and sizes of corn; each was to choose which would be their food in this world. The Hopi waited until last and picked the smallest ear of corn. At this, the Great Spirit said:

"It is well done. You have obtained the real corn, for all the others are imitations in which are hidden seeds of different plants. You have shown me your intelligence; for this reason I will place in your hands these sacred stone tablets, Tiponi, symbol of power and authority over all land and life to guard, protect, and hold in trust for me until I shall return to you in a later day, for I am the First and I am the Last."

The Great Chieftain of the Bow Clan led the faithful ones to this new land, but he fell into evil ways. His two sons scolded him for his mistake, and after he died they assumed the responsibilities of leadership. Each brother was given a set of Tiponi, and both were instructed to carry them to a place to which the Great Spirit directed them.

The elder brother [of the shining light] was told to go immediately to the east, toward the rising sun, and upon reaching his destination to start back immediately to look for his younger brother, who remained on Turtle Island [the Continental United States of America].

His mission was to help his younger brother to bring about the Purification Day, at which time all evildoers would be punished or destroyed, after which real peace, brotherhood, and everlasting life would be established. The elder brother would restore all land to his younger brother, from whom the Evil one among the white men had taken it. The elder brother [of the shining light] also would come to look for the Tiponi tablets and fulfill the mission given him by the Great Spirit.

The younger brother was instructed to travel throughout the land and mark his footsteps as he went about. Both brothers were told that a great white star would appear in the sky; when that happened, all people would know that the elder brother had reached his destination. Thereupon all people were to settle wherever they happened to be at that time, there to remain until the elder brother returned.

The Hopi settled in the area now known as Four Corners, where the state lines of Arizona, New Mexico, Utah and Colorado meet. They lived in humble simplicity and the land produced abundant crops. This area is the "heart" of Turtle Island [the U.S.] and of Mother Earth, and it is the microcosmic image of the macrocosm of the entire planet. Each Hopi clan perpetuates a unique ceremony, and the ceremonies together maintain the balance of natural forces of sunlight, rain and winds, and reaffirm the Hopi respect for all life and trust in the Great Spirit.

The Hopi were told that after a time White Men would come and take their land and try to lead the Hopi into evil ways. But in spite of all the pressures against them, the Hopi were told they must hold to their ancient religion and their land, though always without violence. If they succeeded, they were promised that their people and their land would be a center from which the True Spirit would be reawakened.

It is said that after many years the elder brother might change the color of his skin, but his hair will remain black. He will have the ability to write, and he will be the only person able to read the Tiponi. When he returns to find his younger brother, the Tiponi will be placed side by side to show all the world that they are true brothers. Then great judgment will take place, for the elder will help the younger brother to obtain real justice for all Indian brothers who have been cruelly mistreated by the white man since he came to Turtle Island.

The transformed elder brother, the True White Brother, will wear a red cloak or a red cap, similar to the pattern on the back of a horned toad. He will bring no religion but his own, and will bring with him the Tiponi tablets. He will be all-powerful; none will be able to stand against him. He will come swiftly, and in one day gain control of this entire continent. It is said, "If he comes from the East, the destruction will not be so bad. But if he comes from the West, do not get up on your housetops to see because he will have no mercy."

The True White Brother will bring with him two great, intelligent and powerful helpers, one of whom will have a sign of a swastika (a masculine symbol of purity), and the sign of the sun. The second great helper will have the sign of a celtic cross with red lines (representing female life blood) between the arms of the cross.

When the Great Purification is near, these helpers will shake the earth first for a short time in preparation. After they shake the earth two times more, they will be joined by the True White Brother, who will become one with them and bring the Purification Day to the world. All three will help the "younger brother" (the Hopi and other pure-hearted people) to make a better world. In the prophecies, the two helpers are designated by the Hopi word for "population," as if they were large groups of people.

The Hopi were warned that if these three great beings failed, terrible evil would befall the world and great numbers of people would be killed. However, it was said that they would succeed if enough Hopi remained true to the ancient spirit of their people. The True White Brother and his helpers will show the people of earth a great new life plan that will lead to everlasting life. The earth will become new and beautiful again, with an abundance of life and food. Those who are saved will share everything equally. All races will intermarry and speak one tongue and be a family.

Hopi prophecy states that World War III will be started by the people who first received the Light -- China, Palestine, India and Africa. When the war comes, the United States will be destroyed by "gourds of ashes" which will fall to the ground, boiling the rivers and burning the earth, where no grass will grow for many years, and causing a disease that no medicine can cure. This can only mean nuclear or atomic bombs; no other weapon causes such effects. Bomb shelters will be useless, for "Those who are at peace in their hearts already are in the Great Shelter of Life. There is no shelter for evil. When the Saquahuh (blue Star) Kachina dances in the plaza and removes his mask, the time of the great trial will be here." The Hopi believe that only they will be saved.

Could that blue light in the skies above Norway reported in december of 2009 be the fulfilment of this prophecy? At the time of the blue lights a mask was being revealed to the uninitiated. President Obama was receiving is Nobel Peace Prize under the guise of war, the very next day.

I would much rather embrace that 2012 is about a shift in consciousness, the creation of a better world, but at the moment I cannot seem to shake that 2012 holds dire consequences for us humans. During the meantime I will continue to explore other explanations that are less...catastrophic.

Stardustaquarion

12-30-2009, 01:41 PM

Hi, if you are looking for a more positive perspective try this

The HE-Thar-O Cycle
(March 23, 2002 - December 21, 2012)

A HE-Thar-O Cycle is a naturally occurring phenomenon that replenishes energy from Source. This is the great Cleansing and Renewal period that was predicted in many ancient cultures. Even though records concerning this event had been stolen and then destroyed in Atlantis, the ancients always knew that this event would occur and eagerly awaited its arrival—not just for Earth, but for our entire Time Matrix. This HE-Thar-O Cycle has also been known as The Second Coming of Krist. It is not a person that is returning, but a new cycle of the replenishing of the Christos Seed Atom, which will reset creation back to its original Christos Divine Blueprint.It is a natural function of how the Templar works.

When the original template eventually runs out of energy naturally, a certain point of frequency, known as the First Creation Point, is reached. This triggers the initiation of a HE-Thar-O Cycle in which these sparks or seeds of energy are replenished by the release of a pulse of the Amoraea Flame. Every creation comes into manifestation at a certain level of frequency. From there it "down-steps" into further manifestation and experience. As it ascends or "steps back up" to Source, it eventually reaches its First Creation Point.

This natural HE-Thar-O Cycle would affect the interior of the Christos Seed Atom, as it opens up and allows in a new burst of direct energy from the Kristos Seed Atom at Source to come through. This burst of Source's energy is the Flame of Amoraea, or 13th Pillar. The 13th Pillar would burst into every Christos Seed Atom as a benign Solar Red Pulse wave of energy—benign, since all Christos creations would be able to contain Source's highest frequencies without any damage.

As discussed above, creation in a Free Will universe is allowed to explore in both Christos and anti-Christos directions. However, a fundamental law of creation physics is Conservation of Original Intention. This is a divine, flawless mechanism that will always prevent any threat to the Cosmic Krist level if anti-Christos expression goes to an extreme. When threat to the Krist is imminent, the First Creation Point is naturally triggered in such a way that a separation occurs between Christos and anti-Christos portions of creation.

The recent escalation of the interdimensional drama ( details in several AP publications ), where Opposite Expression of Free Will choice has become so extreme as to threaten the integrity of the entire Universal structure, and even some of the Inner Earth structures, has triggered an Emergency Over-ride activation of HetharO, in May 2003. This effectively means that our universal 'computer', as it were, is being rebooted, that we are at the juncture of the recreation of the original creation. This presents many challenges, but is also a time of great renewal and potential.

It has been over 250 Billion years since this 15 Dimensional
Matrix has experienced a full He-Thar-O cycle.

The whole article including a brief explanation on how energy works and free will here http://www.azuritepress.com/the_kristos.html

Please note that since 2007 other events have occured that have complicated the outcome but it can still be positive for those that wishes to be so in their personal lives

Love

ojibway

12-30-2009, 09:11 PM

The reason why I cannot shake that 2012 is a date filled with calamity is because of something that I discoverd about human illnesses. The Hetharo cycle that you speak of resembles that of a circle, the starting and end points being that of the first creation points, the greater circle being that of the choices made by the individual in life. In some respects you could say that depending on these choices an individual may be inclined to repeat them, or that history will repeat itself when applying this circle to humanity as a whole.

In 2002, I was diagnosed with an autoimmune disease know of as Lupus. The medical community tells me that this disease has no cause and no cure, but if you take the drugs I prescribe you, you will be able to “manage” your disease, if not, you will die. If I accept this dogma, then I have a disease that will eventually kill me and there is nothing that I can do about it. **** happens, sometimes bad ****, you can take it lying down or you get back up and fight. So, this is what I did, I did not accept no cause and no cure and what I found was very much more than I had anticipated. I have a website and I have published some writings on it that explain what I have found to be the cause of Lupus. You can read it here at http://www.lupuscured.ca, it is a free site, the only thing it will cost you, is your time.

What I have found to be the cause of Lupus are two parasitic filarial nematode worms. Namely: Mansonella streptocerca and Onchocerca volvulus. I refer to these worms as the intertwined serpent. If you are unfamiliar with that term, research it. Both of these worms reside in our skin, one is very small the other is very large. M. streptocerca is in the skin of all humans, O. volvulus is in the skin of some humans, but that is changing. I also found a very odd immune response against these parasites, it functions be removing any evidence of parasite presence.

Two proteins that we make work in step to dissolve the offspring that are produced by these parasites. Those proteins are known as C-reactive protein and Matrix Metalloproteinase. Proteins which have been implicated in every primary illness affecting humans. The offspring of the adult worms are called microfilaria, they are the first stage larvae of the worm. The immune response works like this, C-reactive protein engulfs the microfilaria and activates the complement of the immune system. This dissolves all of the inner nuclei that are contained within the microfilaria. Nuclei are structures that contain the genetic make-up of the organism.

One of the most difficult substances to dissolve is DNA. C-reactive protein in conjunction with complement is able to do this. Once the nuclei have been dissolved a skeleton is left behind. The outer cuticle membrane cannot be dissolved by C-reactive protein, this is where Matrix Metalloproteinase comes in. The first step gets rid of the inner parts, the second step gets rid of the outer parts. There is no legacy of a pathogen, all that medical scientists find at sites of inflammation are our own immune system cells. So, naturally they blame the immune system for the cause of autoimmune disease. It could be argued that this type of immune response is quite natural. After all, it would seem that the function of the immune system is to protect us from pathogens by removing them. But what if this type of immune response is not natural, what if it is has been genetically imprinted onto us so that we would not find the presence of this pathogen, so that, we would be fooled.

I am under the impression that the medical community knows these parasites have infected the human race. The test I employed to discover their presence is just to simple. I stuck a damn sewing needle into my finger and examined the first drop of blood under a microscope. Given this simplicity, this shows either totally ignorance, or utter brilliance. They have managed to keep it from the general public. Do not get me wrong, not all doctors know about these parasites. One would think that morals would take over and someone would blow the whistle. So, only a few can know the truth about these damn worms.

The disturbing thing about discovering these worms, these intertwined serpents, is how they play so vividly into the creation mythologies of the ancients. I have come to know Mansonella streptocerca as the piercing serpent and Onchocerca volvulus as the crooked serpent that is talked about in the bible. I have further come to link them with the Sumerian gods Enki and Enlil, which has continued with Cain and Abel, and Esau and Jacob(Isreal). I have come to interpret Enki as the serpent in the bible and Enlil as the god in the bible. The piercing serpent is in all humans, the crooked serpent is in some humans, it is the enmity that was placed between the seed of the serpent and the seed of Eve, which also further states that Eve had daughters, if the serpents seed were male(Cain). There is great deal of talk about Nibiru and having NASA confirm a red planet seems to be heading this way is unnerving. The Annunaki may be returning and I believe that they are coming to collect our souls. Visions with near death experiences share a commonality with a tunnel and a bright white light at the end of the tunnel. I have looked at this as a collection chamber,

I am also seeing the earth’s magnetosphere as the force that facilitates the collection process. A pole shift empties the chamber. Earth is a seed colony, a farm, and all creation mythologies seem to point to genetic manipulation of the human race. The purpose of Mansonella streptocerca is to interfere with the endocrine glands, our chakra’s. They do this by occupying and dying in these glands. When these worms die we calcify them, this is why the pineal gland is found to be calcified in humans. We cannot focus our chakra’s, the right of ascension has been taken away from us. This image is the mark of Mansonella streptocerca on the skin.

http://www.lupuscured.ca/images/mark.jpg

It is classed by the medical community as a hyper-pigmented macule. Birthmarks, and freckles also fall into this category, but they are different. That mark is caused by a cluster of melanocytes, which are the cells that produce our pigmentation of the skin. The hyper-pigmentation to the skin can appear anywhere on the body. They are about 1-2mm in size, but can be larger. They are not raised, they are not concave, they are simply part of the skin. They range in color from a very dark brown, almost black, to a light brown. As you can see in that image there is one that is dark and another that is very light, which is above my finger.

Revelations chapter 13:17 states,
“And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name”.

Revelations 13:18 states,
“Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number [is] Six hundred threescore [and] six”, or 666.

We have come to think of the mark of the beast as being 666, it’s in all the movies. But if I wanted to mislead you from what the mark of beast really is, if I wanted to confound you, just as god has confounded the languages,

Genesis 11:7 states “Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another's speech”

What would be the best way for me to confound you? Well, all I would have to do is tell you what the mark of the beast is, and once this untruth becomes common knowledge, you will look for this mark, and associate it to the beast. Nice and neat, and rather simple, for us humans are easily coerced. The mark and the number of the beast is not 666, the name of the beast is not the devil. The mark of the beast is the mark in that image above. The number of the beast is not the number “of a man”, it is the number “of man”. Look at the people around you, look at yourself, look at the people on television, they all have the mark. You cannot buy or sell if you do not have it.

As you very well know “all is not right in this world”, knowing about these worms when attributing them to ancient stories suddenly makes them all make sense. The stories become real and that’s what I cannot shake. If our beginning and end of the circle is the first creation point and if we have indeed been manufactured by the Annunaki, then their return is us coming full circle. Face to face with our creators once again, if we do not want to repeat history, a forced history, we have to do something about their return. The cycle needs to be stopped.

ojibway

12-31-2009, 08:19 PM

I really do not want to be right, I really don't. But the facts have been presented and they are falling on deaf ears, they are falling on unseeing eyes. I cannot get past your ego. It is ironic really, the medical doctors have labeled me with Lupus, Lupus is latin for wolf. Lupus got its name because the doctor who first cateloged the symptoms thought that the rash across the nose and cheeks resembled that of a person who had been bitten by a wolf. So, here I am, a man bitten by a wolf, and you figure I am crying wolf. If you have made it this far through the thread at least you have read it. There will come a day when these words will mean something. One will have to hope that then it will not be to late.

THE eXchanger

01-07-2010, 02:19 AM

You say:
I have interpreted the blue lights above Norway
as the prophecy of the Blue Kachina by the Hopi.

Why do you NOT tell us,
about the actual prophecy of
The Blue Kachina by The Hopi

NOT FAR, from where you currently reside
the 13th grid of Atlantis in Canada, iS located

(see info, on the thread marked 2010/STARTED by The eXchanger)

here: http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18721

We would love to know more,
about The Blue Katchinas

& what you think about the canadian native head,
sitting right under own noses

ojibway

01-10-2010, 07:47 PM

The Blue Kachina "marks"(it is symbolic) of the beginning of the "purification", it is to be followed by the Red Kachina, the purifier himself. I had thought that the Red Kachina was the coming of Nibiru, but these last few days have changed things. I am beginning to see things more clearly. The beginning of the purification is for the chosen one, the purifier, he that has been sent to deliver humanity from the darkness. His identity has been hidden, even from himself. He needed to find out for himself what needs to be purified in order to purify "it". He needed to redeem himself, he needed to suffer, in order to understand your pain. It was his sin that brought about the pain, but he did not live the pain, he did not feel the pain. In order to dance the dance, one must first walk the walk. There is no other way.

Susan, I thank you for directing me to the 13th grid of Atlantis. It explains why I have come to Alberta, I now know where my home is to be. The 13th grid of Atlantis is the last grid that needed to be found. It rides well with the 13 Zodiac signs, with the 13th being the serpent that eats it's own tail. There is a story in the bible about Esau and Jacob.

Isaac’s wife Rebecca (Rivka) gave birth to fraternal twin sons: Jacob (Ya'akov) and Esau. Genesis 25:25 states “And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau.” Genesis 25:26 states “And after that came his brother out, and his hand took hold on Esau's heel; and his name was called Jacob: and Isaac [was] threescore years old when she bare them” The two brothers were at war with each other even before they were born. They struggled within Rebecca's womb. Esau was Isaac's favorite, because he was a good hunter, but the more spiritually-minded Jacob was Rebecca's favorite.

Esau had little regard for the spiritual heritage of his forefathers, and sold his birthright of spiritual leadership to Jacob for a bowl of lentil stew. When Isaac was growing old, Rebecca tricked him into giving Jacob a blessing meant for Esau. Esau was angry about this, and about the birthright, so Jacob fled to live with his uncle, where he met his beloved Rachel. Jacob was deceived into marrying Rachel's older sister, Leah, but later married Rachel as well, and Rachel and Leah's maidservants, Bilhah and Zilphah. Between these four women, Jacob fathered 12 sons and one daughter.

When we read the bible we must understand that things have twisted to support the agenda of those who govern the religion. It is not that there is not truth in scripture, because there is, it is the twisted part that needs to be understood. Jacob is the father of the 12 tribes of Israel, this fact is well supported. Esau had little regard for the spiritual heritage of his forefathers, whereas Jacob was the opposite. Twist this statement around to reflect the truth. Esau held spirituality in the highest regard, whereas Jacob did not. Israel has a well founded base in the religion of the Torah, but in my opinion, spirituality has nothing to do with religion, spirituality is about the “self”, seeking out the understanding of the inner being.

When Jacob was born he took hold of Esau’s heel. Genesis 3:15 states “And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel” The enmity placed between the seed of the serpent(Enki/Esau) and Eve is Onchocerca volvulus, a parasite that shalt bruise his heel, the heel that Jacob(Isreal) grab at birth.

The story of Esau and Jacob states that Esau was red and hairy, and Jacob was smooth skinned. We must twist this around as well, Esau was smooth skinned and red, and Jacob is hairy. This can be reflected in knowing that if you look at the Israeli people, they are indeed hairy. How could they possible be descended from a smooth skinned person. To the best of my knowledge there is only race on this planet that is smoothed skin and red. And that is the Native American Indians. 12 tribes of Israel + 1 red smooth skinned race = 13. The circle is now complete, the purifier, the true white brother of the Hopi, will be a half-breed Native American Indian.

A young woman who studied the gnosis of Valentinus once told me that she had been told that the Native Americans would lead the next revolution. At the time I did not know the significance of those words.

Susan ""Will it to be...so, it will be...and, so iT iS ...13", I did not see, but I did feel something(confused) about that 13. Thank you for clarifying it.

I have a big nose, it can be difficult for me to see what is under it.

Ammit

01-10-2010, 07:58 PM

Sorry, excuse my ignorance, but all I see on your arm is freckles. What was it supposed to be visible?

-Axiom-

01-10-2010, 08:07 PM

The Russians already admitted that is was a test of one of their missiles. :wall:

ojibway

01-10-2010, 08:08 PM

I do not have freckles Ammit, I am a native american indian, half-breed, yes, but no freckles. Freckles are classed as a hyper-pigmented macule as well as what you see in that image, so are birth marks. Those spots can be almost black in color, but they can be also light brown in color. Similar to a freckle but not as large.

ojibway

01-10-2010, 08:12 PM

The Russians already admitted that is was a test of one of their missiles. :wall:

The source of the Blue Kachina is irrelevant, people will speculate to what the actual cause is, but by doing so you will miss it's symbolic importance. You will become focused on the 'cause' and not the 'effect'.

burgundia

01-10-2010, 08:19 PM

The Russians already admitted that is was a test of one of their missiles. :wall:

Wow...and you believe that.....

-Axiom-

01-10-2010, 08:24 PM

Wow...and you believe that.....

That is a far more plausible and realistic explanation than anything I have read in this thread.

Jonah

01-10-2010, 08:41 PM

This is good stuff ojibway:exclamation:

Your spirit is most welcome

ojibway

01-10-2010, 08:55 PM

This is good stuff ojibway:exclamation:

Your spirit is most welcome

Thanks Jonah. For the last couple of years, since I discovered these damn serpents, I thought it was a tale that needed to be told. That needed to be understood. But in reality it would only be understood partially and only by a few. And that's all right, this is not the time for "all" to understand. That time is coming and then all will understand at the same time. I have been beating a drum without any dancers, but now it is time for me to prepare to dance, for I have walked the walk.

burgundia

01-10-2010, 08:58 PM

The source of the Blue Kachina is irrelevant, people will speculate to what the actual cause is, but by doing so you will miss it's symbolic importance. You will become focused on the 'cause' and not the 'effect'.

Do you think then that it was caused by those who come here as the red purifier? the spiral was some kind of gateway?

ojibway

01-10-2010, 09:16 PM

Do you think then that it was caused by those who come here as the red purifier? the spiral was some kind of gateway?

Read my post after the post by the eXchanger, perhaps that will help.

Christo888

01-10-2010, 09:31 PM

Thanks Jonah. For the last couple of years, since I discovered these damn serpents, I thought it was a tale that needed to be told. That needed to be understood. But in reality it would only be understood partially and only by a few. And that's all right, this is not the time for "all" to understand. That time is coming and then all will understand at the same time. I have been beating a drum without any dancers, but now it is time for me to prepare to dance, for I have walked the walk.

Cool stuff there ojibway! I am compelled to ask you this... have you used colloidal silver or MMS to kill the parasites?

Either flooding the body over a period of time with silver or following the protocol for MMS would change the dynamic of your body and in turn you could no longer host the parasites. Even heavy doses of 'Shilajit' over a period of time would remove the hosting environment for these parasites to remain.

Even the remnants of the skeletal's can be dissolved. Everything has an antagonist, its just finding the right one that doesn't reinforce the protaganist's strength... but removes it entirely instead!

But nonetheless great analagies and discoveries of yours.

:thumb_yello:

burgundia

01-10-2010, 09:33 PM

Read my post after the post by the eXchanger, perhaps that will help.

Your theory here is different. You see the purifier as a person....
i will not dare to ask about his identity....

Ammit

01-10-2010, 09:36 PM

Umm, thought i had put another post on here but cant see it??

-Axiom-

01-10-2010, 09:44 PM

Umm, thought i had put another post on here but cant see it??

You may be thinking about the other thread.

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=219935#post219935

mu2143

01-10-2010, 09:59 PM

This another disinfo for newagers who belief the system.

First of all where Not multi Dimensional,but Poly Dimensional spiritual being.

Second non-physical and physical what the hell are they talking about everything is frequence of light in all densities of realities.

So that means that this world we live in is a hologram and it is the same for all realities.

last but not least channeled information is hard to know who the source is.

ojibway

01-10-2010, 10:01 PM

Cool stuff there ojibway! I am compelled to ask you this... have you used colloidal silver or MMS to kill the parasites?

Either flooding the body over a period of time with silver or following the protocol for MMS would change the dynamic of your body and in turn you could no longer host the parasites. Even heavy doses of 'Shilajit' over a period of time would remove the hosting environment for these parasites to remain.

Even the remnants of the skeletal's can be dissolved. Everything has an antagonist, its just finding the right one that doesn't reinforce the protaganist's strength... but removes it entirely instead!

But nonetheless great analagies and discoveries of yours.

:thumb_yello:

I have not tried any of those remedies, in the beginning of my disease I took the drugs prescribed by the doctors, I no longer take them. The only remedy I use now is Ivermectin. It is said to have an effect on ova production within the female worms. Which should not produce any skeletons or the immune response to get rid of them. It is only a band-aid, it does not kill the worms, but it disrupts their life cycle. I will punish these serpents, this has been foretold, but for now I will have to live them, just as you will have to live with yours.

Christo888

01-10-2010, 10:11 PM

I have not tried any of those remedies, in the beginning of my disease I took the drugs prescribed by the doctors, I no longer take them. The only remedy I use now is Ivermectin. It is said to have an effect on ova production within the female worms. Which should not produce any skeletons or the immune response to get rid of them. It is only a band-aid, it does not kill the worms, but it disrupts their life cycle. I will punish these serpents, this has been foretold, but for now I will have to live them, just as you will have to live with yours.

That may be true for you but it is not true for me!!!:thumb_yello:

OK, you can live with them if you want but you don't have too. And it is not about punishing them it is very simply to move oneself into a different dynamic so that you physically are not a host or a playground physically for them to remain.

And it sounds like a great discovery of how the finite hub of Truth permeates infinite spokes of myth through all avenues of life.:original:

And keep in mind ... it is illegal for doctors to heal you!!!!!!!
Be well.

ojibway

01-10-2010, 10:15 PM

Your theory here is different. You see the purifier as a person....
i will not dare to ask about his identity....

Yes, the purifier is a person, the saviour or messiah, or feathered serpent. The one that everyone has been waiting for. I had originally interpreted the "purification" to be that of "all of humanity". But that is not what is required, it only takes one.

ojibway

01-10-2010, 10:26 PM

There is no getting rid of them at present. Even if you could take off your skin and extract ever single worm. In a year from now, or maybe even less than that, you will have more. I do not like the idea that they are there, and I do not want to live with them, but I have no choice but to tolerate them. I just to have to hope that they do not kill me before I find a way to kill them.

Christo888

01-10-2010, 11:11 PM

ojibway

01-10-2010, 11:29 PM

Christo888

01-11-2010, 12:07 AM

Do not be angry, it is your body and you can put into it that what you wish. I must follow the path that has been laid out for me. And where I go, you cannot follow, it is not necessary for you to follow, for I require no witness. But I will return from this path and your burden of doubts will be lifted.

I am certainly not angry... however, I also do not want to interfere in your 'path,' but you are following the trail of the entrance into the 'Occults Prison' and you do not have too.

"The devils triangle" ... a self proclaimed rescuer, that is attracting the torment of an abuser, while acting out the misery/martyrdom of a victim!!!!

No one has asked you to be the rescuer have they?

The Sun can be seen in the angled facets of a perfectly cut diamond looking down from the top, the Swastika is the vortex energy pattern of a harmonious perpetuating energy (Nazi's only stole the symbol it has nothing to do with them), and the Cross is the intersection of two divergent forms of energy mixed in a vortical centrifuge of which life can germinate, emanate from (unless your nailed to the lies of this world).

And what's missing from the prophecy is the 'Star of David,' (which has nothing to do with Jews, they stole the symbol as well) the radiance that magnifies from the center of a diamond as the beam of light ricochets inside the facets of a correctly cut diamond outward.

So, if you want, heal yourself and release from the burden of rescuing.

The path through the labyrinth of myth has a thread of Truth that taunts the follower to continue... cut the strings of what is guiding you in that labyrinth and identify that source so you can recognize it in the future!:wink2:

Or carry on.

ojibway

01-11-2010, 12:37 AM

The strings cannot be cut, I have spent my entire life runninng from the source, afraid to face it. I have always known that their is something different about me, I just did not know what that difference was, nor why it was necessary to be different. I have struggled to be just like everyone else, to try in fit in. But now the time has come to face my fear, to face the source, for the farther I ran the closer it got, and lo and behold, I have been running from myself. And yes, the world is asking for a rescuer, it can be difficult to see their pleas, for the words rest on dying lips.

Christo888

01-11-2010, 01:06 AM

THE eXchanger

01-11-2010, 01:12 AM

everyone can make mistake,
but, make NO mistake,
that the Blue Kachina/or Blue Kachinas,
they do eXist

perhaps, exploring the find of the 13th grid in canada

will set us, all the right track

on the other post, we did put up doug's interviews

everyone is awakening, and, seeing things, in many things

(right / or wrong- it does NOT make)

effort in attempting to see, is 99% of it

THE eXchanger

01-11-2010, 01:16 AM

you can click into google earth

and, actually go and, see it

here's a good one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dto3mB__0Io

Christo888

01-11-2010, 01:25 AM

you can click into google earth

and, actually go and, see it

here's a good one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dto3mB__0Io

I like the diamond image.... :thumb_yello:

that was brilliant!

"A Gaia's best friend" :roll1:

7 billion living diamonds, now that's a lot of lumens of blue life forces.:original:

ojibway

01-11-2010, 01:27 AM

Yes, I have looked at it, it is very profound, for me, in a very special way. I will go there, even if I have to walk, but not right now, first I have another task to do.

THE eXchanger

01-11-2010, 03:08 AM

ojibway ~ an idea / ask the blue ones, to come visit you
in your dream_time,
the ones, that are in complete, and, total alignment
with your missions/purposes/and, tasks

wise men/and, wise woman, tell us,
to dream on things

and, let us see, what comes through

yes, that google earth adventure,
to all the hot spots, is fun & interesting !!!

maybe these blue ones, will talk to you in your sleep !!!

THE eXchanger

01-11-2010, 03:09 AM

I like the diamond image.... :thumb_yello:

that was brilliant!

"A Gaia's best friend" :roll1:

7 billion living diamonds, now that's a lot of lumens of blue life forces.:original:

there are actually 7.2 billion (some are living , more than 1 to a body) ;)
(up and, thru 9 density levels of earth)

THE eXchanger

01-11-2010, 03:11 AM

yup, do NOT cut the golden/or silver - or rainbow strings ;)

they anchor into your higher self / essence, and, monad

(7/8, and, 9)

and, if you are going to follow RA -or AR 91/10/1 or 19/10/1 -
at least, that leads you to 7th density

and, if you are going to consider 6th density-
be sure, to lace your boots,
on both the left/and, the right side
and, blend the unified, and, united aspects of your divine masculine/and, divine feminine
otherwise, you will end up
on a 6th density 'left' side - of the path
(and, then, you will have to double back
to move thru 4/5/6-on the right side)
no matter what,
you will need to groom your 1/2/3 - physical -emotional-and, intellectual
and, once you graduate that
move that, into your
4th etheric body
5th low astral
and, 6th high astral

there are ways, to do this, that are simple !!!

Starlah

01-11-2010, 03:53 AM

Susan your "Atlas" must be aligned...mine certainly isn't and at the moment I can't make a trip to Switzerland.
Reference Site: http://www.amazingatlas.com/faq1.html
___________________________________________
Time for a :cup:

THE eXchanger

01-11-2010, 03:55 AM

ojibway

01-11-2010, 03:59 AM

They have always been with me Susan, guiding me, reassuring me that I am in the right place and doing the right things, but allowing me to figure it for myself. And that is the greatest thing, to be able to figure it out for myself. They could have just told me everything, and I then could relay their message to you. But if that had happened, then I would have learned nothing, I would not have become more. I would not have lived the lesson of life, and that is to become more than the person you were yesterday. It has been a difficult path because I have had to tread in the darkness, very very deeply into the darkness. But it was necessary because their message will be my message, and my message will be theirs, full circle. But I am not there yet, I have not yet come full circle, one more step still yet to take. I was beginning to think that my time, however brief, on this forum was wasted. But it was your message Susan which will send me on my next part of the journey. Because what I seek, will not be what I find, but what finds me. I just did not know where to seek it, and that had bothered me of late. 13, huh.

THE eXchanger

01-11-2010, 04:32 AM

13, huh.
even the oldest native blankets, had 12 pointed stars
(with a core - and,a frame around them) being the 13th spot
we'll say more on this, on our other thread
(kulkulkan-spelled KULKULKAN IS OUR main guide,
he is, the forever grandfather)
and, we are a part of a council,
three of Thirty-Three (33)

Christo888

01-11-2010, 04:59 AM

there are actually 7.2 billion (some are living , more than 1 to a body) ;)
(up and, thru 9 density levels of earth)

Not sure that I understand what you mean.

Why are there more of 'something' to a body?

Do you mean that people have other entities attached to them? Like parasites? Parasitic guides or misguides?

Do you mean that there are other Souls, more than one, living in peoples body's?

Do you mean there are different Souls to a body at each level?

9 density levels of earth? Is that the same as the 'Council of Nine'?

??

THE eXchanger

01-11-2010, 07:41 AM

Not sure that I understand what you mean.

Why are there more of 'something' to a body? ??

You are a complex being
you have 13 consciousness units, NOT just 1

Do you mean that people have other entities attached to them? Like parasites? Parasitic guides or misguides?
Do you mean that there are other Souls, more than one, living in peoples body's?

??
yes, there are many people on earth,
who have more than one soul, within one body
also there are piggybackers-some of them,
are NOT bad, they are curious,
and, try to come along with you for your ride.
And, then, there are some,
who are like vampire, and, suck out your life force

you are, what iT is, you choose to allow

sure, another person can get them off you,
albeit, if you do NOT actively work,
to keep them off you, they return, and, return,
over and, over again
thus the importance, of you doing the work

Do you mean there are different Souls to a body at each level???

Yes, there are different graduations to what you are
1-3d is a good example
4d-6d is another - however, you do NOT want to be on the wrong side
of a 6th density harvest, with only one side of your boots laced,
so, just the left side is laced, there is a right side too,
and, an importance of blending - right/and, left

at the 7th density levels - eXists,
your higher self - as, well, as, your low causal body

at the 8th density levels - eXists
your essence - as, well, as your mid causal body

and, at the 9th density levels- eXists
your monad - as, well, as your high causal body

and, an eXtender, that can bring into play
your future self ~ it can be blended
with the equation of all, that you are

you are 13 aspects ~ and, it is quite possible to anchor them all

do NOT fall prey, to 6th level harvests, on the left side

or, that RA, is a 6th density being, that is NOT true,

RA was, a 7th density compleX being, and, has grown
through, his 8th, and, 9th density eXpressions

ra thread is closed ???
ra is NOT an 6th density being -(somewhere we read on pa/pc)
that they were a 6th density, that isn't right,
they were 7th density being , when the orig. stuff came through,
and, are now, expanded, and, expressing 9th compleX density
RA is 91 (10)- AR is 19 (10)
kind of like isis 9191/10-10

9 density levels of earth? Is that the same as the 'Council of Nine'?
??
There is a council of nine + 1 = or Ten - NOT GOOD PEOPLE
originally, there was, 1, who became 3
and, then, as word got out, about what they were doing,
they chipped in; others, chipped in, as, meaning,
had to make them, part of the plan
eventually; they became 9 - and, had to hire a 10th
to keep the 9 of them HONEST - not easy, for dishonest people
to try to be honest, with themselves ;)

if you picture a pin, and, you try to picture,
many people trying to climb up it, to sit upon the pinnacle
of a pin head - when a pin, is dirty/and, greasy,
you might realise, the humour, behind this group,
of very few, who believe, they hold the potential,
to control the many ~ when 3 could fit around a table,
they were dangerous, now, it takes too many,
to fit around one table, and, is almost impossible to do,
the pin, is very dirty/and, greasy,
and, very soon, many of them,
are going to lose, their footings,
and, fall ~ you have likely heard the eXpression:
the bigger they are, the harder they fall ???

in an information age, truth is told

their truth, is NOT based on equitable,
nor honourable ways of being~ so, their core
is quite rotten

already many are turning their backs,
and, walking away on them

it won't be long til, the inner circle, will crumble

this is, the importance, of developing your own core,
as, well, as, the cores of others

nothing can stop things, that are built solid,
and, things, that have a core,
esp. one that is built with the right type of virtues,
and, build through a strong mind, as, well, as a strong heart

Earth has recently started the process of anchoring
her 11th density - so, that, she will be able to host
beings, that can almost match her, in her own eXpression

There are many beings on earth, who currently are expressing
7D, 8D, and, 9D, along with future selves,
this is NOT as, rare, as, you might think

those we have been teaching this too,
are shining eXamples, of what can be done,
here on earth !!!

THE eXchanger

01-11-2010, 07:47 AM

Yes, I have looked at it, it is very profound, for me, in a very special way. I will go there, even if I have to walk, but not right now, first I have another task to do.

you can go visit it in dream_time ;)

we can help you with that

ojibway

01-11-2010, 02:51 PM

you can go visit it in dream_time ;)

we can help you with that

Yes, I realize this, but visiting in my dreamtime will not be the same thing. We have the realm of nature, which is our physical self and our immediate surroundings. All the that we can experience with our 5 physical senses. And then we have the realm of the spirit which we experience through our higher intuitive self and our dreamtime. These realms are separated from the whole of each and every human. We cannot experience them at the same time. Some people can have episodes, where their higher senses come into focus, such as a channelling, but these episodes are just that...episodes. And there seems to be a slight disconnection of the 5 physical senses. Something given up, or perhaps surrendered is a more appropriate word. It is still the body that reiterates the message, but something is lacking from the realm of nature. I have had one episode in my life where there was nothing lacking. My spiritual self could touch the natural self, could connect, neither one impeded by the other. During that episode the other humans around me could not see the change, but the animals around me could. And what they saw that was different, was my eyes, my eyes glowed. Animals see light differently than we do.

I was at a friend’s farm when this occurred, I jerked my head to the side indicating for a horse to come to me, to meet me. You know that familiar nod of the head that says, come here. She came over alright, but I will never be able to forget this, her lips were moving, as if she were talking to me. But alas, it was only an episode, perhaps I was being shown the way things should be. That the realm of nature and the realm of spirit can be joined in this physical plane, in our physical bodies. That this is what ascension really is, it is not leaving this physical realm, it is experiencing our physical realm while joined with our higher selves, the marriage of opposites. Like is attracted to like, but during humanity's journey into darkness, our two realms have become opposites, even though they are like, even though they are meant to be together.

When we go to these spiritual forums and people are saying they are the light, they are living the light, they are spreading the light through love and peace. All of these things are good and nice and righteous. But in reality, nobody is being the light, nobody is spreading the light, nobody is living the light. We can't, because if we could then the atrocious events of our past and our present would no longer occur. We would not be able to hate, we would be void of the ego. It will take one person to become the light, to live the light, to spread the light, and when that happens, it will be to all of humanity, regardless of what has occurred in your life, all will be saved. The hand of light will always be open, but the final choice will be to the individual, you can condemn yourself or you can free yourself. This is something that even Jesus could not do, but this is not what Jesus was sent to do. He was the messenger for this person. "the works that I do shall he do also; and greater [works] than these shall he do;” This time is now upon us, judgement day is near, and it will be you that judges yourself.

THE eXchanger

01-11-2010, 04:09 PM

in the dream-time
properly protected
you are, much more real,
than you are,
in your 3D-9D walking around,
and, conscious state

THE eXchanger

01-11-2010, 04:11 PM

did you know
almost 80% of all
that was orated to earth,
and, to beings
that were upon the earth
were stolen from you

much related to north america in the 15th century

much related to europe in the 4th century

and,

much related to africa ~ in patriarchal (sp?) times

THE eXchanger

01-11-2010, 04:15 PM

and, then, we can talk about
the burning of the books in the libraries of aleXandria

thinking of this, transports us,
back to a time, of sitting with many,
who read these messages,
and, not only feeling, but, seeing tears,
well up, in the corners of our eyes

THE eXchanger

01-11-2010, 04:15 PM

the original orating of the buddhist doctorines,
only 25% of them,
has been remembered,
for, they were,
orated/and, NOT scribed-nor written down

THE eXchanger

01-11-2010, 04:23 PM

many who are record keepers,
are, NOW, back in incarnated forms,
with rafts of helpers,
who can tap into many akashic records,
and/or books of life,
that eXist, in many places,
from the light libraries of alcoyne, in the seven sister star system of P
from the light libraries of The Grand Central Sun on earth
from the light libraries within The Grand Temples of 9D Venus
to, the light libraries upon the 26th dimension
where the books are stored,
related to beings, who have completed 2 matriXes
the records of deeds, both good ones, and, bad ones
are well recorded in these places
and, as, you tap into them
and, for many, this starts to occur
within the dream_time
you do start to remember

in an information age,
look at the numbers of people,
who are currently scribing their information,
some of them, are eXceeding accurate

also, where information eXists
it is NOT necessary to be physically present
to energetically tap into it,
from a remote standpoint

this is why, some of the places
where such things, were taken, when they were stolen
from many people/and, many cultures
still sit today, in a stored format
(hidden within vaults, lined with lead)
there are many souls incarnate at this time
who can, and, who will start a process
of revealing, all the things, that they know

iT iS a grand time, this grand cycle on earth
to be here, in this know

iT could be said, this iS a very 'telling time'

THE eXchanger

01-11-2010, 04:52 PM

iT makes us ponder,
a time, NOT so very long ago,
in what today, is known,
as The Four Corners,
that lie in north america,
and, at the time,
extended further,
from east to west,
and, from north to south,
to include, mexico/and, canada

there, we were incarnate
known there, by the nickname of:
The Carver,
a king cast sage, who, was a form of a record-keeper
and, sky traveller,
one who held the keys,
aka The Keeper of ancient tribal knowledge,
and, a project, that we did for one,
known, as, Peter

we are going to search our archieves on yahoo,
to find our messages on this...

interesting that this period,
was, the last galatic lineup,
and, was also a grand cycle

in the end,
the tribe was seen,
gathering around, a sacred fire,
joining hands, and, ascending back to the stars

these beings, were NOT 3D in nature,
but, beings, of a 7th to 9th density,
similiar, to the beings, in Lemuria, and, in Atlantis,
and, in other grand cycles.

a few stayed, upon the earth,
to usher in, the new world,
that, at that time, nearly 500 batkuns ago

(52 years = one batkun
batkun = 20 kuns
katun = 20 tuns
tun = 18 unials
unial = 20 kins
kin = 1 day

the tzolkin
utilised 260 days - the time for a baby to develop
ie; a baby born on 7lk - will have been conceived 260 days earlier on 7lk
day 1-13
day 1-20
(all of them, have glyphs~and combinations of glyphs)

simple stuff
a circle, 360 degrees
1 degree, 60 minutes of arc
1 minute of arc, 60 seconds

and, long forgotten measures
of 1 cubit = 30 fingers
1 cord = 120 cubits / or 3600 fingers
1 grain
1 shekel=180 grains
1 talent = 360 shekels

(seems it all can be divided by 6/or 10)

and, numbers formed on 1-13-147 ?

for some reason, we got guided to look for this old work

(we'll come back, after we find it, and, post it)

ojibway

01-11-2010, 04:59 PM

THE eXchanger

01-11-2010, 05:05 PM

from 1490 (the unrecorded north american diaster,
of the slaying of many)
put into play 9 batkuns (52 years) of hell
to 1958

we think, we were born, on a date,
of dec 27, 1958, to remember, something,
since the midheaven was 25 acq 25 at 345pm
and, since the ascendant was in 22 degress of gemini
with 5 degress of the sea-goat in capricorn
and, a moon in cancer
along with a 18/19 libra north node rising
and/that it was 7lk - the day of the wind god in mayan
along with the fact,
that there are 360 days in one of the oldest mayan calenders,
and, the last 5 days,
dec 27/28/29/30/and, 31 - are considered 'dead' days

we are sure, this symbolises something - with reference,
to the ending of the hells

ironically, someone made a comment to us,
have we ever, owned our own fall ~
why, yes, of course, we have owned it
we lead in 1490 - a group of 12 as a wizard in mayan times
likely our life time, of the most force/and, most power
and, we utilised it, for good, and, for bad purposes

this group of 12, had 2 groups of six
operating together, as, a group
we were the 13th member-or, orator for this group
2 groups of six, normally listened
to the rational, and, irrational,
and, we did NOT listen to our own higher guidance,
of The Forever Grandfather, KulKulKan,
and, acted like, we were our own god,
part of our own hereditary soul family,
and, operated at that time,
in a very negative pole...
NOT, as, we could, or, should have operated
and, only 10 of the 12~ followed us,
into the ocean, on the way, to agartha/and, the grand central sun
since - we were NOT operating as light warriors
we did NOT make our intended, destination
and, instead, spend 52 cycles of 9 ~ reclaiming our light

with the one, smart one, who did NOT lsiten to us,
becoming our own guide

so, to their question-have we owned our 'dark side'
yes, the answer, is clearly, a yes one

THE eXchanger

01-11-2010, 05:15 PM

kulkulkan says to you, and, to us:

are you NOT the captain of your 'own' ship ???

there have been many times,
within recorded, and, unrecorded history,
that listening to elders,
over, listening to self,
has resulted in many, a fall ~ some of which,
destroyed communites completely

he says, that, we once, were a prime eXample
of that, in a lifetime, where many saw us,
as GOD, instead of seeing,
The Great Spririts,
as putting their force/or their energy
out on loan to us,
and, seeing that this 'great spirit'
rests within all

~ and, that all beings
truly are created equal
and, iT is, merely, the choosen potential
and, the application, of said force, or said power
in positive poles,
that moves one forward,
onward, and, upward
while anchoring into the heart of The Mother Earth
under the light of The Father Sun
within the ethers of The GrandFather Sky
and, under the light of The grandmother moon
for one, truly anchors,
all of their assortment of selves,
through a common denominator~
through bridges, triads, trines and trinities,
to re-unite them selves

all is a choice...
there is an easy way,
to own your own destiny,
something, that is done,
through ~ commanding/and, demanding
100% alignment with The Great Spirits,
and, each and every one of your own 13 aspects of creation

you never walk alone

there too, are guardians of many more, than just 6 directions

and, most importantly

without the plant kingdom, and, without the mineral kingdom
your physical eXpression, would die, a physical death

likewise, without you, the plant kingdom,
would die

what you need to breath, they eXhale
what you eXhale, they need to breath

everything, is connected, absolutely everything

there is NO eXeption, to the rule of all is connected

"k" thru Susan

THE eXchanger

01-11-2010, 05:23 PM

But thats just it, I no longer want to be protected. This is what I have been avoiding, it is what I have been running from, myself, my true self. So going there in the dreamtime will not unite these two realms. You see, both realms are in me, but apart, separate yet together. If only one realm goes to visit the mystery centers of energy, then only one will be able to draw its energies. The marriage of both cannot occur. So it must be the physical body that goes there. It would be nice if only the spirit could go there and draw and store these energies and then bring them back to the physical body. But that is not possible without divine intervention. And what they allow us to bring back is what they want us to bring back. Not what we need to bring back. But once the unification occurs, the limits are no longer there. The spirit self will be able to go anywhere it pleases to go, draw any energies it requires, and it will be as if the physical body has done the same. This is something that we have to figure out for ourselves. Divinity cannot be given, it must be earned, and as it turns out, the hard way. One must first walk through darkness, in order to respect the light, in order to want the light. Despite this burden of darkness, there will still be those who choose the darkness.
if you wish, NO PROTECTION, you will get NO protection
all is a choice
protection, is a wise thing, to employ
it takes YOU, and, only YOU to engage it
of course, there is the times,
when the guardian, shows up,
in the 11th hours, to save your butt,
however, this is, only done, in very dire situations
in the dream-time, many of you,
are complete, and, full eXpressions,
you are, what ever it is, that you choose,
to allow yourself and, your selves to be,
that iS the beauty of free-will
there are many times,
when you dream/or your sleep,
that 12 of your eXpressions completely,
and, totally, leave the physical vehicle,
and, go places, to learn
thru teachings, and, thru dialogues with others
for truly, the teacher, always learn more than the student
as, it creates an impression, within the teacher that reinforces,
what they are eXchanging, and, creates within the student,
a platform to eXpand...
for truly, the real truth is,
that the best student
iS, always the best teacher
and, the best teachers i
iS, always the best student
two or more things, are always necessary,
when iT comes to eXchange

no, you never 'draw' on energies
you, borrow them,
and, you pay them back
thus creating,
a equation, that holds 'true' balance

earned, is similiar to
i did this, now, you owe me that
this-and, that, are NOT the same things

where borrowing energy,
and, giving back energy,
are one-and, the same

kulkulkan
thru susan

THE eXchanger

01-11-2010, 05:26 PM

YOU do NOT figure out anything alone...
unless you choose to walk alone

there is, for everyone a team/and, teams...
that are there, should you choose
to call out to them
to invite them in
wise things, is to make sure,
you command/and demand any team
that comes in to eXchange with you
that they be,
in 100% alignment
with your missions, your purposes, and, your tasks

this way, you make NO errors

this way, you have at your fingertips
complete/and, total assurance/and, insurance
that what iT iS, that you are choosing to bring in
iS all that you will require

YOUR WiLL,
SETS THE TRUTH,
into YOUR WAY,
or THE WAY

KulKulKan
thru Susan

THE eXchanger

01-11-2010, 05:27 PM

have you ever noticed
if you assume something as a truth,
that clearly is NOT a truth

you end up making an ass - out of your "u" or your "me"

kulkulkan
thru susan

THE eXchanger

01-11-2010, 05:29 PM

command, and, demand
for only equations of
truth, to be presented to you (13)*

(funny, but, when you do that,
the rivers of truth, they flow to you,
they flow thru you, and, you become one,
with the rivers of truth)

iT iS a TYME for TRUTH

kulkulkan
thru susan

THE eXchanger

01-11-2010, 05:39 PM

What you choose to avoid,
you become

What you choose to reveal,
you are

if you choose, to observe,
in the negative pole,
you will merely, vicariously live life,
watching the eXperiences of others,
however, watching, does NOT imply
'real' living, thru an eXperience

you do it, to be it
you be it, to do it

so, the biggest question is:
what do you want to be ???
what do you want to do ???

why iS iT, that you have choosen to be here
iN this TYME ???

You, and, your 13 aspects
You, and, your 'true' guides
they do know the answer,
to this amasing piece of a puzzle,
where each of you,
absolutely each and everyone of you,
are a part, of a greater whole.

kukulkan
thru susan

(perhaps, we will share, some old dialogues
from our journals, this might aid/assist, and, help others)

for truly, if any one piece of information
that was ever given to us,
holds within iT, any impact for another,
our will would be, to care, to share iT

once, kulkulkan told us
within, that dialogue

"iF you do NOT speak,
your tongue,
iT will die a death"

along with,

'you are NOT a brave, to sit, off alone in the distance"

and, perhaps, the most important one,

"when you choose, to truly step into,
the who/what/where/why/when, etc.,
the how of iT, will all come to you,
and, flow thru you,
we will, be there for you, always, and, in all ways"

NO ONE, ever walks alone, eXcept, by choice

energetic eXpression feeds energetic eXpression

kulkulcan
thru susan

THE eXchanger

01-11-2010, 05:44 PM

the 'true' divinity
iT iS something
only you, can activate within you

yes, iT is the 'main connector' piece

one of the bridges,
between, triad, trine & trinty

like 3 sacred triangles,
that form 9 points of your inner star,
they are there, mine for them ;)

KulKulKan
thru susan

THE eXchanger

01-11-2010, 05:47 PM

They the lower 9, hold a ratio of divine male/and, divine female

and, with the higher spark - the component parts

of The Higher self (7) The Essence (8), The Monad (9)
they hold the eXact opposite, of divine male/and, divine female

a being eXpressing
62 female/38 male
in the lower 9

will be eXpressing
38 male/62 female
in the higher 3 + 1

YOU are a balanced equation - thru out these 13 eXpressions

THE eXchanger

01-11-2010, 05:49 PM

greetings to the group of 13 (3 members and 10 guests)
who are currently viewing, and, interacting with these threads

so, to the 10 guests

- are you from the group of 9+1 :mfr_lol:

forgive, our candor ;)

ojibway

01-11-2010, 05:49 PM

earned, is similiar to
i did this, now, you owe me that
this-and, that, are NOT the same things

You cannot demand your reward Susan, they will see through this, and you will not have earned anything. You are not owed 'that' for doing 'this', but if you are worthy of the gift, then it will be given, not taken. It can only be accepted in humility, not arrogance, that is the failsafe.

THE eXchanger

01-11-2010, 05:50 PM

You cannot demand your reward Susan, they will see through this, and you will not have earned anything. You are not owed 'that' for doing 'this', but if you are worthy of the gift, then it will be given, not taken. It can only be accepted in humility, not arrogance, that is the failsafe.

you must, command/and, demand
the elements, that iS a truth

however, when iT iS done
to set conditions,
this iS the only way, in which
you can set,
what iT is, that YOU will choose to allow

there iS NO other WAY

THE eXchanger

01-11-2010, 05:55 PM

you must understand,
the true path of the magican
~ the 'real' magican

is one, who works with the all the energies

if you select, the ones, that are in PURR_FECT alignment

YOU will save yourself, a lot of grief

currently, you do NOT fully understand

the equations ~ of real balance

owe/and, take - are NOT part of 'real' eXchange

give/and, receive

receive/and, give

they are the parts of 'real' equationS

esp. when they are done, within positive poles

or, done in a way,

in which, negative balances, positive

- and, comes to rest

in a state of zero-point

- it is true, that, NOT always, can another soul
give, in order to receive

however, a true receiver, of a givers,
good energies,
will always find a way,
to return a good energetic transfer of information,
with a good energetic return, of caring/kind/loving/and, supportive energies,
that is required,
for 'good eXchanges" to occur, and, to continue

remember~ iT iS always, and, in all ways
you ~ within any mirror

kulkulkan
thru susan

ojibway

01-11-2010, 05:58 PM

have you ever noticed
if you assume something as a truth,
that clearly is NOT a truth

you end up making an ass - out of your "u" or your "me"

kulkulkan
thru susan

What we seem to perceive as truth, is what we believe. But once we begin to "understand" our belief, to understand just what it is that we believe. It will be this point that you realize that we are an ass(humility). In some ways it may be better to not understand what you believe, at least then, in our minds we are not an ass.

THE eXchanger

01-11-2010, 06:01 PM

iT could be likened to this:

many who sit within the chairs of 'so-called-elders'

are NOT, the so-called elders

we know this very well,
for we can play the role,
of both student/and, of teacher,
equally well

the same can NOT be said,
of many who have fallen into 'the role' of 'elder'

and, of the many, who, if you will excuse the eXpression
do NOT truly know their ass, from a hole in the ground

many teach, only part of a teaching

however, it could be said, they teach that, as, best, they can

we are here, back here, in this NOW,
to eXpand, upon teachings

to make them MORE, NOT less

for TRUTH is, and, always will be THE TRUTH

all else, is just NOT truth

eXpand, or deflate,

all iS a choice !!!

only YOU have the force, and, the power
to choose to eXchange,
to enter into THE PiVOT of THE NOW
iT iS there,
you alter, and, you change
all of you, are 'shifting'
and, within all of those shifts,
the very changes,
each, and, everyone of you,
came to earth to be,
eXist ...

Climbing into them,
and, flowing with them,
iS all ways, and, in always,
totally UP to YOU

KulKulKan
thru Susan

ps;

we are a 'mamaS',
whether or NOT, another 'mamaS' says,
we are a 'mamaS' ;)

we are a Grandmother
whether or NOT, ANOTHER Grandmother says,
we are a "Grandmother"

we are a Grandfather
whether or NOT, ANOTHER Grandfather says,
we are a "Grandfather"

we are, all, that we are !!!

THE eXchanger

01-11-2010, 06:07 PM

What we seem to perceive as truth, is what we believe. But once we begin to "understand" our belief, to understand just what it is that we believe. It will be this point that you realize that we are an ass(humility). In some ways it may be better to not understand what you believe, at least then, in our minds we are not an ass.

a belief, is NOT always a truth

if you allow another, to pin the tail on you, as, an 'ass'

then, an 'ass' you will be

this has NOTHING to do,

with humility/or being humble

We give our respects,
to all who weave 'good work'
likewise, it is important
that others, give back,
the same type of respect !!!

We know full well,
that, the acorn, always falls, very close to the oak tree

kulkulkan
thru susan

THE eXchanger

01-11-2010, 06:16 PM

what would be the point,
to choosing NO understanding,
vs, full understanding ???

how would that propel your boat ???

upstream?

or, downstream ?

TYME to set your 'real' traveller,
and, voyageur into action !!!

The world was NEVER changed
by those ewes, who, were quiet

The world is altered, and, changed
by braves, who are present,
and, accounted for:

those few,
who are brave enough
to choose, to NOT hold their tongue

those few,
who are brave enough
to choose, to undergo ridicule by some of the others

those few,
who will start a process
of being, the Sky Travellers,
that they are,
to the anasuzi,
and, to the hopi,
they were called 'star blowers'

Those who Blow,
The Winds of Real Change...

those are the ones
who rustles leaves,
and, do it, in a way,
it turns pages in the book of lives,
and, as, they do,
The Grand Pages within All of The Cosmos,
start to take, and, make their turn

Ghandi, was a good eXample,
of how, one lone man, did work,
that changed the world ...

there are many lone men, and, lone women
currently residing within the NINE densities of Mother Earth
who currently, in this tyme,
are doing, just that !!!

Some will have ears, that hear
Some will have eyes, that see
all, men/and, women currently incarnate
possess this ability

iT iS a TYME for a rising of the brave

for only they, are the ones, who do it, to be it

and, by being it, they do iT !!!

kulkulkan
thru susan

THE eXchanger

01-11-2010, 06:22 PM

Many of your scholarly books,
are NOT built on truth,
yet, many of your scholarly people,
believe they know truth.

do they ???

or, do they NOT ???

This current information age,
is also one, where secrets,
can NO longer be hidden,
this is why,
this one, and, many others,
are greatly protected,
in order, that they might
embrace, their missions/their purposes/and, their tasks

eXchange NEVER ends !!!

the choice, to do, or, NOT do - is completely, and, totally up to you

MUCH is the only thing, that can gather MORE !!!

kulkulkan
thru susan

with susan adding:
if, an elder/or any teacher-sees themselves above you
then, in our opinion, that elder/or that teacher
can NOT, NOR will, teach us, anything of value
that will aid/assist, or help us, to become more,
instead of being, less

eXchange is all about

THE MUCH of all of you,
that can gather MORE for all of you
and, done in ways,
that, your energy,
is your light,
done always with integrity,
so iT eXpresses, in the highest form of truth,
as, that iS love !!!

eXchanged with others,
in the same MUCH GATHERS MORE principle !!!
both parties, rising in consciousness

that is, to truly embrace LOVE !!!

ojibway

01-11-2010, 06:25 PM

a belief, is NOT always a truth

kulkulkan
thru susan

Yes, this I know. Not to many moon's ago, I began to understand what my belief was, what my truth was, what it was based on. And it turned out to be lies. Even though I have many more miles to go, at least I can now try to understand what it is that I believe. Instead of going through life and telling myself that I know the truth, instead of lying to myself, I can now say "self' is what you believe the truth? instead of the "truth is what I believe". No more absolutes.

THE eXchanger

01-11-2010, 06:37 PM

THERE is upon this internet
a site, actually several sites,
set up, by native people
that demean, everyone who teaches
anything, related to native teachings

We stumbled upon it, a few days ago

Quite frankly, this does them,
a big dis_service

We have said this before,
and, we will say it again,
that, anyone who you have issues with,
anything

for example, you are a black person,
with issues, with white people, red people, brown people, or yellow people
or, you are a yellow person,
with issues, with black people, red people, brown people, or white people
or, you are a white person,
with issues, with red people, brown people, black people or white people
or, you are a red person,
with issues with yellow, brown, black or white people
and/or you are a person, with issues, of mixed races
and/or you are a person, with issues, of your own race

guess what,
in your neXt lifetime, you will be-what you depise

The mirrors,
you put out to this world/and,
go much further, than just this world,
they travel into the inter dimensions/and, multi dimensions

are clearly, and, merely a reflection,
of YOU
NOT, the others,
you 'blog' about

also-while we are on this topic

many who are incarnate at this time
in skins, other than red, are in these skins
because, they had issue, with people in these coloured skins

so-how is that,
for eXchange ;)

many, many people within this world,
are mature souls, and, are old souls,
and, as, such ~ should realise,
that each and every life time,
is just another 'KICK AT A CAN"

(hopefully, you do NOT kick this KAN) :thumb_yello:

many, may people within this world,
are choosing to do,
GRAND CYCLES on earth,
at this time

something perhaps, worthy to ponder

there is NOT anyone who you meet,
that, you truly can NOT learn something from,
even if, iT iS only the true realisation,
that, you do NOT enjoy their negative pole,
as, that will allow you, to simply
forgive/release them, set them free,
send them love, oft times, it is those who need love the most,
that do NOT act in ways, they deserve LOVE

TRY to move from negative poles into positive poles,
where you truly can create
a zero-point balance - of good for all

that truly is what, taking a journey, is all about

all else, is a trip :mfr_lol: (pardon the pun)

iF you have questions,
ask them

kulkulkan
thru susan

THE eXchanger

01-11-2010, 06:48 PM

Yes, this I know. Not to many moon's ago, I began to understand what my belief was, what my truth was, what it was based on. And it turned out to be lies. Even though I have many more miles to go, at least I can now try to understand what it is that I believe. Instead of going through life and telling myself that I know the truth, instead of lying to myself, I can now say "self' is what you believe the truth? instead of the "truth is what I believe". No more absolutes.

absolutely, and, there is 'no doubt'
you are, on the right road, iT is a road, that leads thru
you/your higher self/your essence, all 9 aspects,
right into the heart of your ORiGiNAL SPARK

you are a warrior of light ~ eXpansion, iS a choice !!!

and, yes, the 13 moons, they are important ones

we might suggest, to you,
and, to others

to go out, into the moon_light
(which sometimes, occurs, during day_light)
and, daily capture some of its rays

there is much energy, the divine GrandMother Moon,
can bestow upon you, should you choose,
to raise, your wrists togethers,
and, form, your handing into a big "v" or, a 'catching bowl"
and, feel a sense, of being one, with its light

there is much energy, the divine Grandfather Skies,
hidden within it, it's triad/trine/and, trinity of ether,
can bring into you, should you choose,
to breathe, and, ask, to be one with it

there is much energy, the divine Father Sun,
can bestow upon you, should you choose,
to raise, your wrists togethers,
and, form, your handing into a big "v" or, a 'catching bowl"
and, feel a sense, of being one, with its light

and, for grounding,
if possible, walk the earth daily, in your bare feet
(we do this, even in the cold of winter) :mfr_lol:
and, feel, the heart_beat of the mother
in the soles of your feet,
and/or dig with your hands,
into the dirt,
and, feel a sense, of being one, with its beat/and, its texture

and, also,
water it, has consciousness
and, also food, it, has consciousness
bless it, and, show gratitude, towards it
there are ways, to heal yourself,
when you are immersed in water,
susan shed 60 lbs, and, 30% body fat, in 2009
whilst swimming, almost everyday, from June-December
and, paying great attention, to what it is, that she became one with

there is so very much,
we can eXchange, and, share with you,
will you also, come along on this ride,
the one, where teachers, can be students,
and, students can be teachers,
as, that is, what iT is,
to ignite the flame of an eXchanger,
where all of us, are simply, eXchangers.

Let us always journey...and, NOT trip ;)

Kulkulcan
thru Susan

THE eXchanger

01-11-2010, 06:48 PM

15 (5 members and 10 guests)

this group of 10 - are persistant ;)

ojibway

01-11-2010, 06:55 PM

A teacher once told me that the only stupid question, is the one you didn't ask.

THE eXchanger

01-11-2010, 07:09 PM

A teacher once told me that the only stupid question, is the one you didn't ask.

that type of teacher, is a KEEPER ;)

ojibway

01-12-2010, 12:52 AM

I just saw the film 'The Fourth Kind".
HOLY ****!!!!!!!!!

Information has been coming at me fast and furiously these last couple of weeks.
Kulkulkan, I now understand the need for protection during dreamtime.

After seeing this film and rereading the info in this thread I must add one more thing.

There's something happening here,
What it is ain't exactly clear,
It's time we stop children, what's the sound, everybody look what's going dddooowwwnnn....n.

ojibway

01-12-2010, 05:06 PM

Some more food for thought.
I have seen the reports behind the film the fouth kind and they are saying that it is poppycock. So Ok, but as we all know alien abductions have been reported by many people, all over the world. So there is some truth in this, unless of course, you hold no belief in aliens whatsoever. All ancient creation mythologies have an intervention of a god or gods in the creation of humans. We humans have a penchant for glorifying beings. If you are Muslim Mohammed is a god, if Christian the pope is a god, if an advocate of peace, Gandhi is a god, if suppressed by oppression, Martin Luther King Jr. is a god. Yes these people are humans, but they all stand tall in turning points of the history of this planet.

If we are to entertain the fact that the gods of the earliest creation myths are indeed an Alien race, to us humans, we would have glorified their presence. They would have simply done many wonders beyond our belief. Flying around in spaceships(traversing the heavens) would surely be seen as godly. The one thing that confuses me about these aliens, is, where are they now. If we are the children of the gods, why do they not provide nurture, we are their seed, why the hands-off approach. Pondering that thought, I have come to think that the seed of the planet is progressing just as planned. By the seeming disappearance of the gods, the course of the seed of life is progressing as "they" planned, in chaos. As it was in the beginning, so it is in the end. History repeats itself. I have proposed in this thread that planet earth is a seed colony, a farm, we are the property(in their eyes) of an alien race, we are their creation. I have also further proposed that parasites are implanted in us that control are psyche by interfering with our chakra's.

If this is true, if they actually have the capability to create life and to control it with a hands-off approach, to control the actual spirit. Then what could they also be capable of? Abductions report telepathy being used as communication. The ancient prophets report visions through dreams. Channellings, which seem to be increasing, are also telepathic links with spirits. I myself have had the benefit of this experience in this very thread. And from Kulkulkan himself, who has, in some respects been equated to be Jesus. That is quite an honour for such an evolved spirit to take the time to speak to me, quite an honour indeed. My path leads me to answers, but to remain open, I must question these answers. To see the forest, I must first get past a whole pile of trees. Not an easy thing when you are standing in that pile.

I want to say to you here, that, all of these visions that have brought about very strong beliefs regardless of its venue are something that has been taught to us, by a being that is for the most part non-visible, a being that is, in the hands-off mode. Please do not misunderstand, I am not saying that everything we are taught through these visions has a malevolent intent. I actually see much good, in ‘all’ of it, but it is the human who uses the righteous word for malevolent purposes, that creates the chaos. And this may be their vision from a malevolent source, which is harnessed in one that seeks power over what becomes their subordinates. So, whether it is malevolent or benevolent it is still something we are taught, as if we are children. With that thought, I am trying to say that what we believe through these visions is not our own belief. Do you understand? From the dawn of time, we have been told what to believe, we have not developed our OWN belief.

When the languages were confounded and the united people scattered upon the earth, these beliefs that were taught to us were solidified by our segregation from each other, it divided us, and the chaos began. The book of Enoch is a writing that is not embraced by the three main monotheistic religions. Why that is when this prophet is quoted from, from other prophets who are embraced needs examination. You can read it here, http://www.heaven.net.nz/writings/thebookofenoch.htm. One thing that Enoch tells us is that our souls are collected.

Sheol of the Underworld
“And thence I went to another place, and he mountain [and] of hard rock.
And there was in it four hollow places, deep and wide and very smooth. How smooth are the hollow places and deep and dark to look at.
Then Raphael answered, one of the holy angels who was with me, and said unto me: 'These hollow places have been created for this very purpose, that the spirits of the souls of the dead should assemble therein, yea that all the souls of the children of men should assemble here. And these places have been made to receive them till the day of their judgement and till their appointed period [till the period appointed], till the great judgement (comes) upon them.' I saw (the spirit of) a dead man making suit,”

The Book of Enoch equates very well with Aliens, they have created the life on this planet and they are also in “control” of the spirits of the life they have created. Life or reality has been likened to a Matrix, and the movie ‘The Matrix’ is a perfect example. Morpheus tells Neo that the matrix is “a veil that has been pulled over your eyes to hide the truth behind your existence”, or something like that. As Kulkulkan has pointed out to me. The reflection in the mirror will always be yourself. What we will see in the veil is what we have been taught, that which has become your(self). With your(self) being what you believe and thus forming a reality, for better or for worse. If life can be so directed, and it has been directed, then why cannot death be directed as well. Why cannot death be controlled. Why cannot death be a matrix, a veil that is pulled over the eyes of the spirit?

I have always thought death was a release, that the pain of life ceases and we are finally allowed to become our true selves. But according to Enoch death is not a release, it is another prison. We receive the wisdom of spirits through channellings. They tell us what is required to make us a more enlightened person, to become more inline with their realm. And I think that this is very…good, because they do not hate. But at the same time I cannot help to wonder if the vision of these spirits is not a veil, a simple reflection of themselves, that they are turn relating to us. A veil that has been pulled over their eyes to hide the truth behind their existence. Am I making any sense? All is not right in this world, that fact is in plain sight, it is the forest, but we are in the pile of trees and we cannot see the forest. I would like to believe that the spirit realm is non-corruptible, that it is pure goodness. But if a veil has been pulled over their eyes as well, we are in much more trouble than anyone, including the spirits, really realizes. These are very serious, very serious allegations that I have brought forth. Kulkulkan and other spirits, I want you to discuss these allegations amongst yourselves, to investigate, I command/demand it, as you have instructed me to do. The world awaits your reply.

Jonah

01-12-2010, 05:44 PM

Ojibway,

Your findings are excellent!

things are not alway as they seem...

Please feel free to start a new thread on this...

ojibway

01-12-2010, 05:51 PM

Yes, I think I see your point on a new thread, I have now made a call to the spirits, which will require some input from those who channel. Yes, a new thread.

THE eXchanger

01-12-2010, 06:24 PM

instead of a new thread,
why don't you alter; the one, at the beginning ???

and, summarize there,

the 'blue kachina' - as, you know it NOW ???

for others, that try to follow a thread,
it is hard, for them
to jump all over the place

THE eXchanger

01-12-2010, 06:26 PM

COPY post # 4 above this, into the first one ;)

ojibway

01-12-2010, 07:02 PM

Yes Susan I can see the confusion, but I do think a new thread is good so that the story can flow and the data can be analysed in one breath, as opposed to instead of picking up things as you go through the responses. It will be hard to generate the needed input in the state this thread is in. It will be long beginning, so I will also make a pdf file for it as well