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nameless

01-02-2010, 04:20 AM

This is by no means a topic of personal attack or character summation/interogation but merely trying to come to terms with the stance that The Disclosure Project has taken through their representation by Dr Greer in regards to his stance on entities and their motivations as highlighted in the interview with PC.

I'm sorry if this has been brought up before.

I was wondering if DG's view that all entities are non aggresive/passive and should be treated as such is his attempt to propogate some kind of meme and is more of an "instruction" or user guide for us for now our own future interaction or public perception of said entities. I say this because in certain occult literature one must be of sound mind and clear thought in order to approach a particular entity in case what you will becomes manifest in the entity, warts an' all. A mirror if you will, or to take it a step further the Id monster from Escape From Forbidden Planet or the Mr Stay Puff Marshmalow monster in Ghostbusters.

Of course it may not be easy to spell this out as a set of instructions or protocol in meeting new people particulalry as most people arent very good at following instructions and can not grasp the psychology/philosphy behind certain actions or the need for them, and so its better off to hand them any instruction or view that will create the required result of which regardless if the being is actually benign/active, so such in this case, that you enter the "conversation" with the right mind set. Perhaps DG is privvy to some information we don't know regarding a certain entity and the only way to combat/encounter it as such is too remain positive and free of suspicous thought when communicating with it? Of course the main consideration here is not to be tricked into going along with some agenda which can be used against us.

For the continuation of the Threat agenda to work on the next phase ie. alien threat, it requires us to perceive Aliens as the new terrorists. Therefore spread the meme all aliens are nice to counteract that.

If mass revealation by entities in this dimension was to occur and these entities are "real", given the amount of problems, good and bad things that would happen including death and psychological breakdown (which would still occur worldwide even with current disclosure, The Greys familiarity meme and subliminal attempts to dampen our reality filters) you could infer that this action to be made by sentient beings as one which was a concious application by them as an "attack" no matter how stage managed or peaceful or unintentional it would be. Could you introduce yourself to someone knowing that you could unintentionaly hurt that person due to their own frailty and handicap? Perhaps you would allow that person to make the first step instead, get them to enter into the exchange by their own will thus giving them control of their faculties and to create a safety blanket. Or would you not bother to give them the choice and just blow their minds anyway? Or would you introduce yourself subtlely, and breed familiarity, and how would you reach those that don't take in the media and watch Sci-Fi?

tone3jaguar

01-02-2010, 04:22 AM

Dr. Steven Greer

tone3jaguar

01-02-2010, 04:27 AM

And Here is my take on the whole debate, I posted this on a similar thread in the CSETI member forums.

Here is the deal folks, there is a difference in perspectives on this negative positive ET thing because people are at different stages of their own spiritual evolution.

It goes back to a statement that Einstein made which was...

("The greatest decision a person will ever make is weather they live in a hostile universe or a peaceful one")

http://i187.photobucket.com/albums/x102/bradwj1977/AlbertEinstein.jpg

Why did Einstein say this? Was he just off of his rocker or did he actually know what he was talking about? This is a very shamanic frame of reference to see the situation from. However this is the perspective from which Greer's consciousness is communicating it from.

We all choose to incarnate into this reality for the polarized learning lessons that it provides. When I say "this reality" I actually mean the 3rd dimension of consciousness of this universe which is where we are all currently located if we are reading and typing on this forum. You choose to experience all the adversity in your life no matter how severe before you incarnate into your little baby body. Or if you are a walk in, your adult body.

Some people actually choose a path where they will encounter peoples from other worlds that dump massive quantities of adversity on them. While others have chosen a path for example to learn the same types of things, for example being a soldier in war. That is actually the path that I had apparently chosen for about my last 10 lifetimes before this one.

There is something called the progression of the soul. You incarnate into 3rd dimensional reality over and over again until you have successfully run through 22 archetypal learning lessons that are the grade school through masters thesis of the soul. During this time on earth or another similar planet the universe seems as though it is a very hostile place and that there are things in it that exist only to victimize us.

That is the trap that prevents people from moving quickly through these archetypes. Instead of recognizing each and every challenge regardless of the severity as an opportunity to learn, people see it as an opportunity to take on the consciousness of the victim. The victim consciousness is exactly where the "We are under threat from negative ETs" type of paradigm is born from.

This type of debate as to weather or not the adversity in this dimension of consciousness is hostile or a manifestation of the universal creator will continue to go on for as long as people are still working their way through the archetypal learning curve. There will always be some adversity in this world to be experienced by the few or the many so long as the people being born into this world continue to take on the victim consciousness and refuse to learn from the experiences no matter how traumatic.

Are there negative ETs? Depends on who you are and where you are in the evolution of your own soul. I personally finished out my souls progression about a year ago as determined by shamanic divination techniques. This is why it is my opinion that there are no negative or positive things anywhere in this universe. There are only different manifestations of the creator born from our own higher selves desire to see us learn at an accelerated rate. If there where no severe adversity in this realty we would all just sit around with our thumbs up our asses learning nothing.

orthodoxymoron

01-02-2010, 05:22 AM

PilotSimone

01-02-2010, 07:56 AM

And Here is my take on the whole debate, I posted this on a similar thread in the CSETI member forums.

I'm glad you re-posted this. It just connected some dots for me. Thx!

Steven

01-02-2010, 12:15 PM

Here is my point of view about Steven Greer. I posted it before and still think the same today.

If someone follow Greer's statement as all alien races are positive, you have to forget about several testimony and witnessing that tells the opposite. Just to name a few.

Alex Collier's information is one major "public contactee" who certainly gives another point of view about it. Zecharia Sitchin research and analysis of the Sumerian tablets also point out that we are under a secretive alien intervention since thousand of years. Marsharl Vian Summers is another major "public contactee" who has written several books states that the major treat humanity is facing IS the alien intervention going on at this moment, involving our secret "rulers". The messages contained in the "handbooks for the new paradigm" received by George Green clearly state that we are facing an alien intervention calling them "dark force" (it does not look "positive" to me).

Several witnesses who came out publicly in 2001 with the disclosure projects were clearly showing our governments involved with alien in secret project and contracts (see also Dulce book). It is amazing to see Greer stating all alien are positive after hearing so many of his own witnesses saying quite the opposite!

Someone must ask him why he says that after listening his own "2001 witnesses"?

Jordan Maxwell (like him or not) researches has brought out the very same conclusion; Humanity is under an alien intervention...

Many others witnesses and whistleblowers are pointing out an alien intervention going on Earth at this moment. Claiming it is all wrong and all ETs are positive is definitely naive and dangerous. You can not simply swiping a whole lot of testimony and witnessing just for the matter of being "opened" to first contact.

We know most of the species are benevolent and are waiting for us to be awaken and aware of our galactic citizenship to make opened contact. Nevertheless, keep in mind there are alliances of alien who are opposing this and will not stop their influence over Earth easily. According to "Allies of humanity" several ETs lost their life bringing us this message. Nothing positive in killing the ones who wants to wake us up...

Ask Peggy Kane if all ETs are positive! Anyway... The list is quite long to clearly show we are under alien intervention and influence. It also shows some "humans" are on their side. I think Greer statement is part of the mental manipulation program we are facing. Now that "they" are about to be exposed, "they" prefer to appear as friendly... What a better subject than Greer himself to be carrier of this wonderful positive message...

Namaste, Steven

I choose to follow his witnesses from disclosure project rather than the man itself. He seems to be on a dangerous slope...

Namaste, Steven

DOMINIC 777

01-02-2010, 12:32 PM

I AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAY..orthodoxymoron,
....If the pattern of good and evil is prevalent on the earth , will the same pattern ascend to a a higher consciousness....will there be good and evil in a higher positive consciousness?....
lol
dominic

Perhaps we need a thread titled 'Ethics 101' or 'Ethics for Dummies' or 'Whatever Happened to Karl Menninger?' We chose this...and we chose that. We created this...and we created that. There is no right or wrong...but thinking makes it so. There are no victims. The 9/11 'victims' chose to go through that event. There are no evil ET's. Everything is as it should be. Where the hell do we get this Sugar Coated BS?

Steven

01-02-2010, 01:06 PM

...We chose this...and we chose that. We created this...and we created that. There is no right or wrong...but thinking makes it so. There are no victims. The 9/11 'victims' chose to go through that event. There are no evil ET's. Everything is as it should be. Where the hell do we get this Sugar Coated BS?

If we keep going on this slope, we will certainly lost the small amount of liberty we actually enjoy as human race. Is it right, wrong, you decide... Mine is taken and I will do everything in my power to create a better future for my children... Everything.

Namaste, Steven

Steve_A

01-02-2010, 03:00 PM

Hi nameless,

It was decided back in 1947 or so that the Aliens were probably friendly as they did nothing to invade or destroy Earth.

If they wanted to, it was decided, there was nothing on Earth that could be done to stop them as apparently their technology was much more advanced than that of this planet.

So, using logic, they must be friendly - or at the very least not really all that interested in Earth as we have not been annihilated yet. I'm sure that when the time comes (to be annihilated) we will see very little of it.

Greer is saying nothing new.

As for the other names mentioned, it could be a possibility that these people did add a little spice in their stories, after all, they want people to pay attention and being threatened to be loved to death didn't seem to cut it back in the late 70's early 80's, not even in Greers camp back then.

Best regards,

Steve

This is by no means a topic of personal attack or character summation/interogation but merely trying to come to terms with the stance that The Disclosure Project has taken through their representation by Dr Greer in regards to his stance on entities and their motivations as highlighted in the interview with PC.

I'm sorry if this has been brought up before.

I was wondering if DG's view that all entities are non aggresive/passive and should be treated as such is his attempt to propogate some kind of meme and is more of an "instruction" or user guide for us for now our own future interaction or public perception of said entities. I say this because in certain occult literature one must be of sound mind and clear thought in order to approach a particular entity in case what you will becomes manifest in the entity, warts an' all. A mirror if you will, or to take it a step further the Id monster from Escape From Forbidden Planet or the Mr Stay Puff Marshmalow monster in Ghostbusters.

Of course it may not be easy to spell this out as a set of instructions or protocol in meeting new people particulalry as most people arent very good at following instructions and can not grasp the psychology/philosphy behind certain actions or the need for them, and so its better off to hand them any instruction or view that will create the required result of which regardless if the being is actually benign/active, so such in this case, that you enter the "conversation" with the right mind set. Perhaps DG is privvy to some information we don't know regarding a certain entity and the only way to combat/encounter it as such is too remain positive and free of suspicous thought when communicating with it? Of course the main consideration here is not to be tricked into going along with some agenda which can be used against us.

For the continuation of the Threat agenda to work on the next phase ie. alien threat, it requires us to perceive Aliens as the new terrorists. Therefore spread the meme all aliens are nice to counteract that.

If mass revealation by entities in this dimension was to occur and these entities are "real", given the amount of problems, good and bad things that would happen including death and psychological breakdown (which would still occur worldwide even with current disclosure, The Greys familiarity meme and subliminal attempts to dampen our reality filters) you could infer that this action to be made by sentient beings as one which was a concious application by them as an "attack" no matter how stage managed or peaceful or unintentional it would be. Could you introduce yourself to someone knowing that you could unintentionaly hurt that person due to their own frailty and handicap? Perhaps you would allow that person to make the first step instead, get them to enter into the exchange by their own will thus giving them control of their faculties and to create a safety blanket. Or would you not bother to give them the choice and just blow their minds anyway? Or would you introduce yourself subtlely, and breed familiarity, and how would you reach those that don't take in the media and watch Sci-Fi?

Steven

01-02-2010, 03:47 PM

...It was decided back in 1947 or so that the Aliens were probably friendly as they did nothing to invade or destroy Earth...

That's a dangerous mistake to think because we are still here, alive, that there is no intervention going on.

Namaste, Steven

Jnana

01-02-2010, 07:25 PM

Given a simple observation, that ETs can manipulate earth electronics from a distance and activate or deactivate them in various ways, the military forces of Earth are defenseless. There have been repeated documented reports of ET craft temporarily disabling our nuclear missiles as they sit in their silos. I have personally observed manipulation of simple electronic devices (smoke alarm, radar detectors). Since almost all of our military equipment has an electronic control component these days, all of this equipment could be disabled without a single ray gun discharge. But wait, there's more. There are also reports that mechanical devices such as cameras and guns have been disabled by ETs. The notion of a conventional response against this type of capability is laughable.

Why have the weapons that have been used to shoot down ET craft have not been disabled by the ETs? Why has there never been a forceful response to these actions?

I do not know what Greer knows that makes him so certain. I suspect it has something to do with his interactions with leaders of the galactic political bodies. He knows how things are being managed in our region.

I suspect there are other planets like Earth where fearful violence prone beings live, and perhaps they occasionally manage to get off-planet before destroying themselves, but the conspiracy I am concerned about is the one started by humans to unify the Earth under military leadership against a non-existent ET threat.

eleni

01-02-2010, 09:13 PM

That's a dangerous mistake to think because we are still here, alive, that there is no intervention going on.

Namaste, Steven

A very dangerous one and one that doesn't stand up too well IMO- it's very simplistic thinking......

orthodoxymoron

01-03-2010, 05:18 AM

What if a lot, if not all, of what's going on here, as far as ET's and UFO's are concerned, is home-grown? Bill Cooper hinted at this regarding the 'alien presence'. I posted the following on another thread, and it has at least some relevance to this thread:

I continue to worry about the fate of the Founders/Ancients. I see evidence of them in the Creation...but not in the day to day administration of this Solar System. I also wonder about how the Reptilians came into existence (assuming that they really exist). Who, if anyone, created them? Who, if anyone, controls them? Could the same being(s) who terminated the Founders/Ancients (assuming that they were terminated)...also be responsible for the creation and control of the Reptilians? Did someone secretly create the Reptilians...and then use them to wage Star Wars...to attempt to become the Master(s) of the Universe? At some point...did this hypothetical Reptilian slave race overthrow their Human Master(s)? Is a hypothetical Divinity Within Humanity all that remains of the Founders/Ancients? Was Ra killed? Is Amen the hidden manifestation of Ra aka the Holy Spirit? Is Lucifer/Hathor a prime suspect in the disappearance of Ra...and in the creation of the Reptilians? I tend to think that all possibilities should be considered in a reasonable, rational, and detached manner. I don't want to believe...and I don't know. I just have a lot of questions...and huge issues. Einstein said that the Universe is stranger than we think...and that the Universe is stranger than we can think. What exactly was he referring to?

Could this Earth really be run by a joint Human/Reptilian Theocracy? Were we brought here by Battlestar Moon...along with ancient high technology? Are we on a Planet in Rebellion? Is Steven Greer more of a spokesperson than a researcher?

I just keep speculating...so reader beware. But also keep an open mind. Who knows...I might stumble across something of value!

:original:Namaste:original:

enemyofNWO

01-03-2010, 09:42 AM

That's a dangerous mistake to think because we are still here, alive, that there is no intervention going on.

Namaste, Steven

Spot on ! We know that the human race could have been destroyed a long time ago . The fact that wasn't indicate that we might be of some use to the ones that could terminate the experiment ....
The fact that certain aliens are influencing and controlling our rulers and the fact that we are afflicted by wars. poverty , ignorance etc, ect, on purpose , when means to change the world exist ( zero point energy , anti gravity. teleportation ) , all of those point indicate too me that this interference is evil and very negative . Of course may be that only some interfering aliens are negative , some others are positive some could be indifferent .
That's my 2 cents .

Magamud

01-03-2010, 10:21 AM

Galactic parasites are using our divine intention to make our universe their home. I can understand why one would forgo all this and concentrate on just positive beings taking care of everything. This is not an easy matter to be born into. When you experience it develop your emotional system to it your realize that unfortunately Cosmic Nature works in this way. I think thinking on just positivity and there is no malevolence is an induced trap by the Decievers. They know that the Ancients will not respond because Many times before they have come and answered and many times before they became caught in our lack of maturity. We must make the biggest stride we have ever made and integrate complete creation. We must be equal with time itself. The Ancients are looking for new consciousness and how our mundane reality is a Wellspring for the universe. When one can be the yin and the yang equally the neutral zone appears and the wormhole is opened. The event horizon, the centrifugal force, the space between. Embracing only the positive by example of history itself shows it to be an empty proposition and a martyrs labyrinth. Have we ever in time broke their spell?

Again energy works words causing a geometrical pattern inducing a gravitational field. We must see the relationship of the conglomerate to ourselves. In other words millions of people polarizing themselves into positive or negative creates a magnetic resonance that will suck you in and harmonize you. But its not the real thing. Its an overcompensation like the pleasant ville world. Its a Sham. For instance when you are with a group of people and they act a certain way its subtly and directly influential.

Jnana

01-03-2010, 02:48 PM

wynderer

01-03-2010, 02:53 PM

Jnana

01-03-2010, 03:33 PM

Hi Jnana -- well, there ARE children & babies being sacrificed, individually & in any one of the wars going on around the planet-- very scarey & unpleasant for them, too

your personal reality likely includes a warm home, food, & flush plumbing -- so it's a bit easier to shrug one's shoulders at the darkside, & term the suffering of so many -- too many -- on this planet a 'distraction' -- those in the middle of it probably call it something else

Peace & Freedom, wynderer

Let me try again since you seem to have missed my point.

The "dark side" is not those who are caught in the middle, the unfortunate, the starving. That is the RESULT of the dark side - which is selfishness. The cause of duality is selfishness. The solution is unselfishness, love, and compassion. This means taking care of those less fortunate, those caught in the middle, the starving and the sick. It does not mean hating and killing those who are perceived to be the "bad guys" or the "dark forces".

The "distraction" I speak of is all of the "us vs. them" drama out there. All of the nonsense about good guys and bad guys and how the good guys must fight AND KILL the bad guys to "win". It does not work. It has never worked. It only creates more deeply rooted conflict that will emerge again later, resulting in more killing.

I am NOT saying to shrug your shoulders at the poor and unfortunate. Anybody familiar with my posts knows otherwise. I am saying to step out of the conflict and find the higher way. Leave fear behind. Find ways to help those in need.

None of us can fix all of the problems in the world. I know I can't. I do a few small things. I know I should do much more. But together we CAN fix all of the problems in the world.

wynderer, I think we are mostly in agreement. Peace and freedom are very much what I desire.

Carol

01-03-2010, 04:30 PM

Simplicity has its advantages. :thumb_yello:

Steven

01-03-2010, 05:33 PM

Embracing duality and fighting to solve problems has never solved anything. People sink deeper into conflict and fear, and feel the only solution is more of the same. They get stuck in it to such an extent that any other way of thinking is viewed as "naive". Get over it. To think that we can fight our way to peace is a fools game. It has never worked. It will never work. To think that humans are not selfish enough to withhold beneficial technology is to completely deny the motives that led to duality in the first place. Cooperation, compassion, and love are what is needed. There are intelligent races out there that have figured this simple principle out and live by it. Why don't we?

We are in this life to learn a higher way of being. All of the drama is just distraction. That includes all of the nonsense about evil overlords and invading aliens. Believe that there is good out there.

Being aware that their are aliens perpetrating intervention without regards to our Freedom and Freewill does not mean to fight them as you said.

No violence will set us free from the intervention, but ignoring it and saying all ETs are good will certainly help humanity to loose the little freedom we have acquired through out history. Freedom was almost never given to us, we always had to fight for it, that is why there is this quick reflex of labeling "violence" when talking about alien intervention. That is not the case.

The intervention is secretive, helped by some of our rich oligarchic human community, uses different resource from our body, dna and brain chemical are two of them, interbreeding goes on since a very long time, just to mentioned a few things going on.

I personally know a couple from my wife's family that have two kids "somewhere in space". If you want the whole story, I can tell you. A total violation of Freewill in resume. Don't ask them if they think all ETs are good.

Using violence and weapons will certainly not help humanity from the intervention. The most effective tools we have are the knowledge of the Universal Laws, our consciousness and the divinity in us that can not be influenced. Once we are responsible and stop acting as victim, we will have open contact with the positive Ets that are in large portion in our galaxy. No need for special telepathic technique inaccessible for 99% of the world population. We have all that we need for this.

Never wander why there are so many disappearing kids all over the world? By millions each year, not all of them are kidnapped by other humans, only a very small portion are. Keeping 90% of the world in total poverty is also a good way for the interventionists to come and get the people or animals they needs without causing much wave into the society.

Bringing about dichotomy as an explanation to the source of the problem does not solve anything. Surely, the perspective of an alien intervention violating our sovereignty looks like an irrelevant dichotomy to the ones that assume all ETs are good. I can understand this. But I know all ETs are not good, some of them violate freewill of other species and that is what we are facing here on Earth right now. Sorry to bring the bad news, but there is also a good news, we have all what we need in us to free ourselves without any war. That is divinity, creative consciousness and the conscious use of the Universal Laws...

Namaste, Steven

Jnana

01-03-2010, 06:24 PM

I personally know a couple from my wife's family that have two kids "somewhere in space". If you want the whole story, I can tell you. A total violation of Freewill in resume. Don't ask them if they think all ETs are good.

Absolutely, tell the whole story.

I also don't see how "being aware" of an ET intervention helps us overcome it. Please explain. Basically, we are saying that the same steps need to be taken, that we need to give up fear, grow spiritually, and grow in consciousness, so I don't see how this point of view makes any difference.

For the record, I have not said there are no "negative" ETs, but neither have I said that there are. I have said that it is probable that there are other planets like Earth, and we certainly qualify as negative. But, I have insufficient personal information on that subject. I just don't see any advantage to spreading fear about such things. I agree wholeheartedly with what Tone3Jaguar had to say in an earlier post.

I am aware of what many call an ET intervention. To be sure, life on Earth has been managed from the beginning. However, our notion of free will and what is good for us from our limited perspective here on this planet is not always (seldom?) accurate. I rarely speak of this, mostly because I am just learning about such things, but it is important to keep in mind the role of the spiritual hierarchy in all of this and our purpose for being here on this planet.

I would be quite happy to meet with any "negative" ETs out there and visit their mothership or home planet. Perhaps the ones who have your friends' kids will take me and explain what they are up to (I don't say this to make light of your statement, I mean it seriously).

enemyofNWO

01-03-2010, 08:06 PM

Steven

01-03-2010, 08:54 PM

Absolutely, tell the whole story.

I also don't see how "being aware" of an ET intervention helps us overcome it. Please explain. Basically, we are saying that the same steps need to be taken, that we need to give up fear, grow spiritually, and grow in consciousness, so I don't see how this point of view makes any difference.

For the record, I have not said there are no "negative" ETs, but neither have I said that there are. I have said that it is probable that there are other planets like Earth, and we certainly qualify as negative. But, I have insufficient personal information on that subject. I just don't see any advantage to spreading fear about such things. I agree wholeheartedly with what Tone3Jaguar had to say in an earlier post.

I am aware of what many call an ET intervention. To be sure, life on Earth has been managed from the beginning. However, our notion of free will and what is good for us from our limited perspective here on this planet is not always (seldom?) accurate. I rarely speak of this, mostly because I am just learning about such things, but it is important to keep in mind the role of the spiritual hierarchy in all of this and our purpose for being here on this planet.

I would be quite happy to meet with any "negative" ETs out there and visit their mothership or home planet. Perhaps the ones who have your friends' kids will take me and explain what they are up to (I don't say this to make light of your statement, I mean it seriously).

Here is the story in resume. Rosana (fictive name) is my wife's aunt. She was 14 the first time she was abducted. She didn't remember much of it except that she woke up in the barn lying on the floor at 5 am. She had been abducted several times after that. She remembers partially her aggressors describing them just as the "greys" look like.

She got pregnant right after giving birth to her first son and she knew it was not from a relation with her husband. Her husband was very upset about it all, but also very caring for her wife. He is still today very angry at the "greys". When she was near to give birth, she was again abducted and when she woke up, she was alone. No more baby in her womb.

This happened twice. Few years later, she got abducted again and met with her two kids, a girl and a boy, she remembers much of the whole event. Of course, it was heavily charged emotively and she always told the "greys" that she does not agree with what they were doing to her and her kids. The only answer she got was not to worry, they are well taken care. She is very sad of it all, still today. It is a burden she carries with her husband, unable to share with her surrounding. She was never beaten, but often drugged. She remembers drinking a small vial of a pink liquid. She thinks this stuff was to make her forget.

She has no proof of it, but she is convinced the two kids were interbreed. This idea is very hard on her. She accepted to share her story with me because I was deep into alien research and had myself a contact with a foreign being in Brazil.

Now, "being aware" of an ET intervention is the first step to counter it. How can you do something about it if you don't know anything on the topic or worse, if you intentionally refuse to look at the witnesses testimony that gives freely there information about it?

It is like the human "elite" that govern our world. The day enough people will know about it and ask publicly for answers, things will begin to change, it is the first step only, but it has to be done first...

You have never said that there were not negative ETs, but I have... So, to be coherent with my own knowledge, it is a commitment to inform my surrounding about it. It is not to spread fear intentionally, if it gives fear to think about an ETs intervention on Earth, I will also provide the means how to overcome it. There is a big difference between spreading fear with non-existent and fictional catastrophe, and informing the people about an alien intervention going on Earth that needs to be known. And I think Avalon forum is the place to do it so.

We are the ones who needs to decide our future for ourselves. There is no spiritual hierarchy with Creators contentment that says what is good and what is bad for us. Freewill is the guideline, nothing else. And it is widely accepted throughout the Galaxy.

Seriously, you would like to be abducted by the ETs who did abduct Rosana? Think about it twice. There are species out there that sees us just like we see our chicken in a plate, a resource. By the way, the way we treat our animals is a consciousness clear message that is sent to the Universe that says we accept to be treated the way we treat our animals. Universal Laws... the day we will treat our animal and planet with respect, we will stop sending this message to the Universe and we will solve many problems regarding ETs intervention, no need for war, it is all about consciousness...

Namaste, Steven

Jnana

01-04-2010, 04:13 AM

Here is the story in resume. Rosana (fictive name) is my wife's aunt. She was 14 the first time she was abducted. She didn't remember much of it except that she woke up in the barn lying on the floor at 5 am. She had been abducted several times after that....

Thanks very much for sharing this story since it really does get right to the heart of the matter. I've read many similar stories and I understand that living with this is a very difficult thing, but I'm sorry to say it does not prove your point that negative ETs exist. The fact of the matter is that neither you nor I know why they are doing this. I have read a number of cases where reasons were revealed to the subjects, and in most cases it is for the benefit of humanity. There may even be several different programs running with several different goals, depending on how we choose to destroy the planet: 1) a program to provide a body that can survive on a more polluted planet with more adverse weather conditions, 2) a program to provide a body with enhanced psi capabilities and better health for those who move on to a 4D/5D world, 3) a program to populate a new planet from scratch as a redo of the experiment that failed here on Earth for various reasons. Generally it is stated that the individual agreed to participate in the program prior to incarnating. Unfortunately, due to the veil of forgetfulness, few if any remember this. I don't think that people becoming aware of their participation in these programs is accidental. I think it is all part of the transition process and it is time for us to know these things.

The cases where such programs are not for the benefit of humanity have to do with an ET race that is dying out due to mistakes they have made. They are trying to create a new body that will help their race survive. I've seen a few versions of this. Again, I would not classify this action as "negative". Given the choice, I would volunteer to help such a race survive rather than deny them existence. However, it is not entirely clear to me why they need to customize a body for this purpose.

Now, "being aware" of an ET intervention is the first step to counter it. How can you do something about it if you don't know anything on the topic or worse, if you intentionally refuse to look at the witnesses testimony that gives freely there information about it?

If the intervention is intended to ensure the survival of humanity, why would you choose to counter it? As I said before, from our limited perspective we often do not understand why certain things are being done. Reacting to hardship and calling it the result of a "negative" action is understandable, but not necessarily correct.

Since this is a Dr. Steven Greer thread, I'll throw this in. Greer often talks about how people react to hardship using the example of a young child in an emergency ward. In order to save the child, the doctor must insert a catheter into the child's chest right now with no anesthesia. How would that child view the doctor's actions? Would that view be correct? Greer never states what he has in mind in the ET world when he presents this example. I have my own ideas about that, and it includes stories such as the one you shared.

We are the ones who needs to decide our future for ourselves.

Agreed.

There is no spiritual hierarchy with Creators contentment that says what is good and what is bad for us. Freewill is the guideline, nothing else. And it is widely accepted throughout the Galaxy.

There is a spiritual hierarchy, and there is considerable evidence to support this. I'm not entirely sure you are denying the existence of our spiritual aspect, but that's what it sounds like here. I also think there is more to universal law than free will.

Seriously, you would like to be abducted by the ETs who did abduct Rosana? Think about it twice....

It would not be an abduction because I have requested it. I am not afraid of ET contact. I am not afraid of death. I would very much like to be able to provide a report on what these guys are doing from conscious memory, without the aid of hypnosis, so that people can really know what is going on and why. I'm willing to take that risk. If they say it's because we taste like chicken, that's what I would report. The fact is that others have already been there and done this. Jim Sparks is one (book "The Keepers").

the day we will treat our animal and planet with respect, we will stop sending this message to the Universe and we will solve many problems regarding ETs intervention, no need for war, it is all about consciousness...

I absolutely agree with this. I would add that we need to treat each other with respect and realize that we are all one, including all intelligent races in the universe. Even if the intervention is for positive reasons, when it is no longer needed, it will end.

orthodoxymoron

01-04-2010, 04:51 AM

Who might object to what I have posted on the thread titled 'United States of the Solar System'? http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878 The more I think about it...the more I like this Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom thread...whether or not there are regressive aliens intervening on Earth. I like the idea of promoting this idea...and then noticing who comes out of the woodwork to oppose it...and why. My little dream may ultimately be an exercise in futility...but I think it is the right thing to do. But how important is doing the right thing to 90% of the beings (human and otherwise) in this Solar System?

:original:Namaste:original:

14 Chakras

01-04-2010, 09:02 AM

The middle Way is the only Way for me.

Shine the Light on the darkness so nothing can hide in the shadows.

How do the PTB operate? They operate in the shadow's, they are the 'shadow government'.

If we fight or ignore darkness, it doesn't go away.

ONLY when we shine Light on darkness will it go away.

Pretending, la di da, there are no mean ET's... well, doesn't make it so.

I suggest it is like pretending, la di da, George Bush is a very good Christian, let him do whatever he wants with our Country ~ doesn't make it a good thing to do.

Human beings are Divine beings that have been trapped in the illusion of separation from our source. We have become unconscious. We don't see our own darkness or unconsciousness as long as we remain asleep.

Our own darkness / unconsciousness is creating our suffering that we experience on a daily basis.

Collectively, our collective unconscious is reflecting back to us as the PTB running our world from the shadows, from the darkness.

Solution: regain control over our own consciousness, shine the Light on the darkness within ourselves and the outer world will reflect our new inner reality ~ full consciousness, abundance.

Humans are not bad. We are not bad guys. The problem is we are not Being who we really are, we are not owning up to our true nature in Oneness with our source, our true nature as Sons and Daughters of God.

Part of the process of shining the Light on the darkness is shining the Light on the PTB, on the deception in our world. Ignore it, and it doesn't go away. Fight it and you create more darkness.

However, the Light must be shined on the PTB so that humanity can finally take dominion over their own planet as they were commanded to do from day one by the true Elohim (Elohim are egoless unconditional Love Beings in Oneness with All that IS, personifications of the infinite, builders of form, and their consciousness is manifest as Suns, planets and space itSelf.)

Ignoring the ET component of the PTB in my opinion is ignoring the darkness pretending it will somehow go away by ignoring it.

I suggest the reality is the military industrial complex is the military industrial extra terrestrial complex.

As JNana points out, let us not forget to connect to spiritual hierarchy in order to bring forth solutions to our planet.

To me it is a big deception that spiritual hierarchy require UFOs and galactic bureaucracies. I suggest very strongly that the True spiritual hierarchy are perfectly capable of working within humanities hearts and consciousness, rather than outside of them to bring forth solutions that are required at this time. I strongly suggest that any ET's who claim to be members of spiritual hierarchy, yet are interfering directly here in the third, or attempting to, are either deceived themselves or much more likely: deceivers.

I would agree that Greer may be currently acting more in the role of a spokesperson for ET's that are interfering here directly in the third, not willing to take a hard and honest look at what they are really up to, and unwittingly becoming a pawn in the game for those who seek to take Earth and it's inhabitants for their own nefarious purposes.

That's my take!

~ Espavo ~

Steven

01-04-2010, 01:15 PM

...I've read many similar stories and I understand that living with this is a very difficult thing, but I'm sorry to say it does not prove your point that negative ETs exist...

I disagree, in this little story, the aliens have violating her freewill. This is enough to me to qualify them as "negative", not respectful of our sovereignty. And this is only one story, there are thousands like this throughout the world and history. You can not simply deny all the people who lived similar events.

If for you assuming there might be a chance their actions were for the best of humanity, or the best of their race, it is your perspective, but a dangerous one. You have no proof either to say their action were "positive", especially when freewill of the people involved was violated.

If it was for the best of humanity or their race, then why doing it secretly, violating freewill, causing trauma? By fear we wouldn't accept? By fear we would be revolted with fear of them? Then if it is the case, no need to impose it on us, it only perpetrate victim consciousness on Earth. There is no good out of it either, we are adults after all. And who are they to force us to be saved?

...The fact of the matter is that neither you nor I know why they are doing this...

Ignoring the reason of their acts does not either tells that all ETs are "positive". It rather strongly suggest the opposite. Remember, this statement made by Greer is what brought my argument.

...I have read a number of cases where reasons were revealed to the subjects, and in most cases it is for the benefit of humanity...

If only one case among them shows that it was not for the benefit of humanity, it is enough to say that all ETs aren't positive and we must be careful with it.

The inhabitant of our Galaxy are not all positive, nor all negative. We are a microcosm of the Galaxy. Humanity holds the best and the worse, just like our Galaxy. The idea of all ETs are positive is dangerous because it can expose us to more influence and manipulation from the ones active in the intervention.

...There may even be several different programs running with several different goals, depending on how we choose to destroy the planet: 1) a program to provide a body that can survive on a more polluted planet with more adverse weather conditions, 2) a program to provide a body with enhanced psi capabilities and better health for those who move on to a 4D/5D world, 3) a program to populate a new planet from scratch as a redo of the experiment that failed here on Earth for various reasons. Generally it is stated that the individual agreed to participate in the program prior to incarnating...

Now, that's a lot of assumptions... I wouldn't base my conclusion on ETs abduction, interbreed, genetic manipulation, mental influence, etc... on these assumptions just to justify an idea of all ETs being "positive". That is simply way too risky...

See, what is at stake here is not only important, it is crucial. We are talking about our sovereignty as specie. It is not something I would risk just for the benefit of being open to first contact. And more, there is no need at all to believe all ETs are "positive" to make first contact. It is not a prerequisite. I am afraid Greer is being manipulated spreading this dangerous statement.

It might be all fabricated explanations to justify the intervention.

...The cases where such programs are not for the benefit of humanity have to do with an ET race that is dying out due to mistakes they have made. They are trying to create a new body that will help their race survive. I've seen a few versions of this. Again, I would not classify this action as "negative". Given the choice, I would volunteer to help such a race survive rather than deny them existence. However, it is not entirely clear to me why they need to customize a body for this purpose...

This is your choice, but I do classify these action as "negative" even if it is for the survival of their race. They are still committing a very grave mistake in violating our freewill and will certainly not bring them much grace upon their race if it is indeed the case.

Alex Collier mentioned there are four different kind of "intelligent" species in our Galaxy. Hydrogen, oxygen, ammonia and methanol based lifeforms. All humans are oxygen based while the "greys" and the "reptilians" are hydrogen based. I will not get into details, but the hydrogen based have a large disadvantage compared to oxygen based lifeforms when travelling distant time/space. That is why they have become excellent genetic manipulators...

...If the intervention is intended to ensure the survival of humanity, why would you choose to counter it?...

Because it is an assumption, and all evidence are pointing out the opposite. Not only that, but many contactee from other "positive" alien alliances have written thousands of pages telling the same thing. See "Allies of Humanity" book2 from Marshall Vian Summers as example. "Handbooks for the New Paradigm" also points out the same conclusion, just to mention a few...

...As I said before, from our limited perspective we often do not understand why certain things are being done. Reacting to hardship and calling it the result of a "negative" action is understandable, but not necessarily correct...

And when someone of our camp is briefed to have a greater perspective of what's going on on Earth, we simply discredit him because it is a "negative" view of our situation? Remember, I am not saying all ETs are negative, I am saying it is wrong to assume all ETs are positive, from Greer's statement...

...Since this is a Dr. Steven Greer thread, I'll throw this in. Greer often talks about how people react to hardship using the example of a young child in an emergency ward. In order to save the child, the doctor must insert a catheter into the child's chest right now with no anesthesia. How would that child view the doctor's actions? Would that view be correct? Greer never states what he has in mind in the ET world when he presents this example. I have my own ideas about that, and it includes stories such as the one you shared...

First, we are not children. We are a specie, mature enough to discuss freely if we need to be saved or not. I don't believe we need external force to help us without our consent. Why would they want to save us? Without telling us about it? That's a bigger assumption than saying they are violating our freedom and freewill in committing these acts.

...There is a spiritual hierarchy, and there is considerable evidence to support this. I'm not entirely sure you are denying the existence of our spiritual aspect, but that's what it sounds like here. I also think there is more to universal law than free will...

Hierarchy is not the proper word, we are all equal in Creation, all. The proper word would be mentoring, or guide. Hierarchy implies rulers, which is not the case in the spiritual realm. I am not denying our spiritual essence. I am defending it. We are souls, extension of the Creation. Freewill is not a Law, it is a Principle. You can not deny a Universal Law, but you can choose to deny Freewill. Freewill is the guideline Creation choose to expand itself. Those who do not consider it are free to do so, it is a paradox, but also logical. The backlash is that when you do not respect freewill, you deny to yourself the grace of Creation upon your life. Is this sound like denying our spiritual aspect?

...It would not be an abduction because I have requested it. I am not afraid of ET contact. I am not afraid of death. I would very much like to be able to provide a report on what these guys are doing from conscious memory, without the aid of hypnosis, so that people can really know what is going on and why. I'm willing to take that risk. If they say it's because we taste like chicken, that's what I would report. The fact is that others have already been there and done this. Jim Sparks is one (book "The Keepers")...

There are many cases of first contact where the ETs were doing it in a positive purpose. I am not talking about these. Alex Collier is also one I would mentioned among many who has been contacted by Ets which came out as a positive overall experience where is sovereignty was never violated. Now, your courage is certainly praiseworthy, but the thousands who have lived very "negative" trauma caused by violating their body and freewill would certainly have some lessons to teach you before taking off... You seem to see it lightly...

You are showing an attitude of accepting to be ruled by some more advanced species in the hope of improving our future. I energetically propose "mentoring" instead of "ruling" without our consent violating our freewill and sovereignty.

Nevertheless, I enjoyed arguing with you, I feel respected and hope I did induce the same respect in my words.

Namaste, Steven

Jack

01-04-2010, 01:43 PM

Tone3Jaguar I definitely think you hit the nail on the head in regards to Steven Greer’s insistence that we approach Extra Terrestrials with a positive mindset. What Einstein said is still as true today as it was back then and extends to our interactions with other humans as well as extra terrestrials.

Try a little experiment ;

Go about the rest of the day firm in your convictions that the world is a terrible hostile place, meditate on this for a while. See what happens. See how your interactions with others are moulded by your beliefs.

The next day go about it firm in your convictions that the world is a beautiful place that that people are loving and respectful. Meditate on this (visualise) for a little while and then go about your day. See what happens.

Steven Greer is simply highlighting the importance of us changing our perception of the world from a fear based to a love based one. And in doing so we then open ourselves up to the love that is in the universe. We have been living in a fear based universe for quite long enough now don’t you guys think? And where has it gotten us? Its given us more reasons to be fearful.

When CSETI attempt to make contact with extraterrestrials they first meditate and in the process fill themselves with as much love and respect as possible. They do this in order to get in tune with the "good et's" as they will only be able to tolerate vibrational frequencies that are similar to their own. Its kind of like entering a room and talking to an extremely negative person, not very comfortable. But when we are with those who are vibrating at a similar frequency we find that their company is much more enjoyable and far beyond tolerable.

orthodoxymoron

01-04-2010, 03:34 PM

I like the concept of Positive Response Ability...where one considers all of the possibilities...and thinks both positively and negatively...and then formulates a solution or a positive response.

I have been critical and suspicious of many groups...including ET's, Gods, Goddesses, Religions, Policies, etc and et al...yet I would love to be present in a room full of ET's, Illuminati, Jesuits, Bilderbergers, et al. I would be extremely polite with all of them...yet I would ask some very pointed questions. I have said that I would love to have a drink with Lucifer (Hathor?) when this mess is over and resolved...and I mean it. I'm not so sure about Satan though.

I think Dr. Greer is extremely intelligent and knowledgable...yet he seems to be less than objective. He seems to be a supersalesman for the ET's. It almost seems as though he has some sort of a deal with them...and is in continual contact with them. Emphasis on 'seems'. Just more speculation on my part.

:original:Namaste:original:

Jnana

01-04-2010, 04:27 PM

Nevertheless, I enjoyed arguing with you, I feel respected and hope I did induce the same respect in my words.
Namaste, Steven

Likewise. Unfortunately, I seem to be incapable of communicating my thoughts to you in words without pretty much everything being misinterpreted. I think the reason for this is that our points of view or so radically different. Some common basis in understanding is required for communication, and it just isn't there.

Namaste

Steven

01-04-2010, 04:42 PM

Likewise. Unfortunately, I seem to be incapable of communicating my thoughts to you in words without pretty much everything being misinterpreted. I think the reason for this is that our points of view or so radically different. Some common basis in understanding is required for communication, and it just isn't there.

Namaste

Indeed. We have different point of views and I think it is of the utmost importance to debate it publicly. This debate is premise to a larger debate that will certainly occur globally in the near future. Hopefully, it will be done with respect, our point of views and ideas are less important than ourselves.

Namaste, Steven

3optic

01-05-2010, 08:30 AM

Perhaps we need a thread titled 'Ethics 101' or 'Ethics for Dummies' or 'Whatever Happened to Karl Menninger?' We chose this...and we chose that. We created this...and we created that. There is no right or wrong...but thinking makes it so. There are no victims. The 9/11 'victims' chose to go through that event. There are no evil ET's. Everything is as it should be. Where the hell do we get this Sugar Coated BS?

I find myself swinging back and forth on this subject. orthodoxymoron's view as expressed here is a very succinct and potent expression of the dualistic side of the argument.

"9/11 "victims" is a particular frame that gets chosen in the mind. Are they victims? Of what? Death? Of murder maybe? If I were to meet a similar fate and others feel compelled to call me a victim would that be a descriptive epitaph? Ugh! Who is the "I" that is repulsed by this notion?:wall:

In his PC interview, Greer made some references to dualism/ non-dualism. Given the contentious nature of the discourse this may have struck some as funny. Here are some of my favorite clips on the subject of non-duality:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48jk1cs077I&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUyLIYVrd5U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivwDfGf0_IU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=BqOgR61zAlo&feature=fvw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqOgR61zAlo&feature=fvw)

Kojak

01-05-2010, 08:41 AM

enemyofNWO

01-05-2010, 09:43 AM

To better understand Greer, you must better understand his background, note the highlighted cut and paste section re Bahai Faith, from this website-

http://www.earthportals.com/Portal_Messenger/greer.html

"He served for three years at the World Center of the ****Baha'i Faith in Haifa, Israel****. Prior to becoming a physician, Dr. Greer worked extensively as an instructor of meditation and was president of the International Meditation Society in the Bahamas. He has appeared on numerous national and international news programs. He has worked extensively with senior government, military and civilian leaders around the world in spearheading and coordinating a definitive announcement concerning the detection of extraterrestrial life forms."

Do your own research on the Bahai faith. Some suggest it is a New World Order faith, there is alot of Utube video on this subject. You should investigate this, and this may give you some idea as to Greer's motives. Here's one video, but do your own research, there's plenty more. Also consider how well connected he is to PTB-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENSTpbRR9mo

It's certainly a concern.

Hi Kojak,
Thanks for reminding me about that . I have also suspicion the the subject of this thread was instrumental in shutting off the whistle blower Henry Deacon .
Was Deacon threatened ?
There is some funny stuff going on with his project on "Zero Point energy " .
We will see what develops . Going slightly off topic on zero point , people can see that the "Steorn " motor has been duplicated at the JNL labs . Here is the link . I will buy the components and will try to duplictate it myself .
Watch the video here . This is real science that should be on the front page of the newspapers and if somebody was genuine he would be talking about it .
Unless who we are talking about has something superior which is a possibility ... a possibility would also be derailing and delaying ....

http://jnaudin.free.fr/steorn/indexen.htm

Be well

dayzero

01-05-2010, 11:05 AM

Steven

01-05-2010, 01:18 PM

Why the certainty? Why indeed.

Most likely cointelpro, in fact a dead ringer for cointelpro.
Yeah......i said it baby! I said it.

Far more intelligent research [ongoing] by the brilliant analytical thinker Gerry Zeitlin (http://www.karmapolis.be/pipeline/interview_zeitlin_uk.htm) on this absolutely
enormous topic at his Open Seti site HERE (http://www.openseti.org/Opening.shtml)

I warn you, though, you'll need a few weeks/months to absorb.....
and hanging around on forums is never good for the concentration! lol...

Thanks a lot for this site Dayzero. I am glad to discover it. :thumb_yello:

This is also my thought about Greer. He has encounter people from the "elite" after 2001; Clinton, Rockefeller, that himself mentioned in front of the camera. I am sure he has bothered much the ones who keeps UFOs information secret with his Discloser Conference in 2001. I heard a senator mentioning the word spread like a whisper to the senate and many were taking it seriously, not having a clue how to deal with it. I have much respect for what he did in 2001 and still respect him. But my perspective tells me to be cautious about it him now, not the same man...

When someone create that type of wave to the senate, you can be sure there will be action taken from the "elite" to disrupt the movement. Today, we see a very different man, that is what bothers me. And why he called one of his project "Orion project"? Why not "Earth project"? Why "Orion"? Knowing the Orion star system had a past history of Earth intervention and human manipulation from some whistleblowers. I am not saying it is absolute truth, I am saying it looks very suspicious, especially when you add to this the fact he claim all ETs are "positive". What's behind all this?

Namaste, Steven

Operator

01-05-2010, 01:39 PM

DOMINIC 777

01-05-2010, 02:25 PM

I refined my view recently, it's very simple and it seems to 'hold' pretty good.

There is no such thing as benevolence and malevolence (as in black vs white).

People/beings all have agenda's ! As soon as an agenda comes into play it will bring manipulation with it.

Pure benevolence is having no agenda at all ! I still have to meet such a person/being ....

well put Operator,

does Steven have a positive agenda when he talks about E.T BEING ALL POSITIVE.....or has he a negative agenda? and why would he say that all E.T's are positive.?

Lets take a look at REALITY
1. How many E.T's has Steven met and are they all positive?
2. if he has met a few and there are thousands of galaxies...some E.T.s could be negative.
3.If there are negatrive E.T's why have they not overun the world and dominated it as an E.T SPECIES?
4.My intuition tells me that man posses the ability of pos/and neg and it was created by FEAR creating all the chaos on the earth...insanity
5. IS HE SAYING THAT E.T's are pos to drop us into a false sense of security?
6.These question can only be answered with REALITY...we have to literally see FEEL and eperience the many thousands of E.T.
7.
aS operator said:
Pure benevolence is having no agenda at all.....but the agenda is Disclosure
therefore is disclosure opening the door to neg E.T OR POS E.T.
If you want complete dominance of the Earth what sort of E.T WOULD YOU BE?
LOL
DOM

Jnana

01-05-2010, 02:52 PM

This is well worth repeating:

Tone3Jaguar I definitely think you hit the nail on the head in regards to Steven Greer’s insistence that we approach Extra Terrestrials with a positive mindset. What Einstein said is still as true today as it was back then and extends to our interactions with other humans as well as extra terrestrials.

Try a little experiment ;

Go about the rest of the day firm in your convictions that the world is a terrible hostile place, meditate on this for a while. See what happens. See how your interactions with others are moulded by your beliefs.

The next day go about it firm in your convictions that the world is a beautiful place that that people are loving and respectful. Meditate on this (visualise) for a little while and then go about your day. See what happens.

Steven Greer is simply highlighting the importance of us changing our perception of the world from a fear based to a love based one. And in doing so we then open ourselves up to the love that is in the universe. We have been living in a fear based universe for quite long enough now don’t you guys think? And where has it gotten us? Its given us more reasons to be fearful.

When CSETI attempt to make contact with extraterrestrials they first meditate and in the process fill themselves with as much love and respect as possible. They do this in order to get in tune with the "good et's" as they will only be able to tolerate vibrational frequencies that are similar to their own. Its kind of like entering a room and talking to an extremely negative person, not very comfortable. But when we are with those who are vibrating at a similar frequency we find that their company is much more enjoyable and far beyond tolerable.

Thanks for this, Jack. Beautiful and simple.

Operator

01-05-2010, 03:03 PM

.....but the agenda is Disclosure

As I mentioned in my previous post I 'refined' my view ... that's because recently I found myself struggling with
what opinions I had about so much info that I've taken in last months.

It looks all very complex because of so many issues and so many agendas layered on top of each other.

In this case I 'sense' that Steven Greer presents the issue as all ET's are benevolent to gain momentum. It's not all
that strange ... in Lord of the rings people cannot withstand the power of the ring and when they possess it they abuse it's power.
Same thing you see happening here (IMHO), especially if an agenda is in play, when people start getting fame they often 'stretch'
emphasis too much to amplify their agenda.

Actually it doesn't matter to me ... no matter how ugly things may be ... disclosure of whatever issue is important
to enable it's open debate.

I cannot see how humanity could benefit from not debating an issue that's here anyway.

DOMINIC 777

01-05-2010, 03:20 PM

Hello Operator
quote:Pure benevolence is having no agenda at all

therefore it follows that disclosure is an agenda and it would hurt millions of people who do not believe in E.T'S it would shatter their sense of reality with FEAR.
therefore I THINK POSITIVE E.T. would approach in a more covert way
LOL
Dom

As I mentioned in my previous post I 'refined' my view ... that's because recently I found myself struggling with
what opinions I had about so much info that I've taken in last months.

It looks all very complex because of so many issues and so many agendas layered on top of each other.

In this case I 'sense' that Steven Greer presents the issue as all ET's are benevolent to gain momentum. It's not all
that strange ... in Lord of the rings people cannot withstand the power of the ring and when they possess it they abuse it's power.
Same thing you see happening here (IMHO), especially if an agenda is in play, when people start getting fame they often 'stretch'
emphasis too much to amplify their agenda.

Actually it doesn't matter to me ... no matter how ugly things may be ... disclosure of whatever issue is important
to enable it's open debate.

I cannot see how humanity could benefit from not debating an issue that's here anyway.

Draecon13

01-08-2010, 03:18 AM

nameless

01-08-2010, 12:09 PM

The other scenario is that we are pets and aliens are our keepers. Good or bad doesnt even come into it. A good owner or bad owner is indifferent to a kept animal. If the animal bites and kills then it will be put down what ever. So stay as good little pets and puit away your sharp teeth! It is no conicidence that "alien craft" sightings co-incide with militray actions and military complexes. May be the industrial military complex and our nuclear/atomic capability has inadvertantly made our keepers "show their hand."

Carol

01-08-2010, 03:30 PM

orthodoxymoron

01-08-2010, 08:35 PM

Would Dr. Greer support or oppose this thread? http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878 No one seems to want to discuss this subject. Why? The silence is deafening. Are we cowering before our masters? If we wag our tails...maybe they won't kick us. They might even give us a bone.

:original:Namaste:original:

PilotSimone

01-09-2010, 11:39 AM

I have the deepest respect for Dr. Steven Greer. He met his wife in a dream and later married her, had four lovely children and is deeply committed to her and his family. He is not interested in money or fame for himself but promotes Universal brotherhood. He has become spiritually evolved to the point where he has levitated and entered into the higher states of spiritual consciousness where he communes with higher spiritual dimensional beings. He has devoted his entire life toward helping others at multiple levels. He is a humanitarian in the truest sense of the word And the world is a better place for his being here :thumb_yello:.

Just today, I received my copy of 'Hidden Truth - Forbidden Knowledge' by Dr. Greer. What you wrote above doesn't surprise me at all. I'm only through the intro and I can't believe how truthful this man feels. I am so excited to read the rest.

Several months back I was introduced to Steven Greer on Project Camelot when he and Kerry had the conversation about positive and negative ETs. I couldn't watch because the confrontation made me entirely uncomfortable. Then I saw someone post something really negative about him. At that point, I was past any interest in him.

I'm so glad he has crossed my path again. Isn't it fun when that happens? :biggrin2:

cantaloupe

01-09-2010, 08:12 PM

As above, so below. We have negative people here on earth, so why is it so hard to believe there might be a mix of spiritual orientations out there too?
There are good and bad folks among EVERY race, I don't care where they're from.

orthodoxymoron

01-09-2010, 08:29 PM

In a sense...I'm trying to accept the humanness, frailty, and imperfection of the Gods, Goddesses, and ET's. I'm trying to embrace them...warts and all...but we mustn't forget or ignore the warts.

:original:Namaste:original:

nameless

01-14-2010, 10:19 AM

http://www.theparacast.com/forum/showthread.php/4892-CSETI-Cutting-Edge-or-Cult

this is a good interview with Greer's right hand man where they get into the whole issue about their "scientific certainty".

Steven

01-14-2010, 05:56 PM

Greeting to All,

If you want the truth on the alien intervention and how we as a race fit into the larger context of the galaxy. Please read these books. You will know the truth if you are open and quiet the mind.

www.alliesofhumanity.org (http://www.alliesofhumanity.org)

I hope this message will reach some who beleive all ETs are 'positive'. I wonder what Steven Greer has to say about Marshal Vian Summers experiences?

And what about this? http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/andromeda/lfa/lfa.html

And this? http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/dulce_book.htm

This? http://www.trufax.org/handbooks/paradigmvol1.html

Just to mention a few, there are plenty more. How many testemony do we need to look closer to the alien intervention?

They can not be all false and wrong. If only one among these is true and genuine, then all is not good and well. A wake up call is sent, how do we answer this call?

Namaste, Steven

Steven

01-14-2010, 07:52 PM

Quote from Alex Collier letters about the 'greys':

'Be very clear about this! The Dow are out for their own survival and will do anything to us, without compassion or understanding of what their actions will or have done to us. I have been told to have understanding of their situation and possibly some inner compassion for their plight, but to fight and stay very clear of them as they are very dangerous to the human Terran race on Earth.

The Dow assignment is to go out in groups as biological and genetic engineers to find underdeveloped worlds and civilizations and then conquer them without force. The Earth fell victim to these plans. The Dow broke Cosmic Law as decreed by the Andromedan Council by interfering with a developing world.'

The whole is here: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/andromeda/lfa/v2n3dow.html

Another about the 'draconian':

'The Draconis race is probably the most misunderstood. I have witnessed a deep respect for this race which is generated out of admiration and fear. The Draconans are the oldest reptilian race in our Universe. Their forefathers, somewhere in our most ancient past came to our Universe from another separate Universe and/or reality. When this actually occurred no one really knows.

The 11 (Council of Eleven) have said that the Draconans themselves aren't clear how or when they themselves got here, but what is interesting is that they declare and teach to the masses that they were in this Universe first, before humans beings, and that they are the true heirs to this Universe and, as such are all royalty. Most, if not all, human races don't recognize this claim as truth but, none the less, they don't debate the issue with them either. Alpha Draconans have colonized many star systems and have created many races by genetically altering the life forms that they encountered.

The most densely populated area of sub-races of Draconans is the constellation of Orion, Rigel, and the star system known as Capella. Here lies a very dangerous part of the Universe for human beings. The mind set or consciousness of the majority of the races in this region is service to self and as such they are always subverting, invading and manipulating less advanced races using their technology for control and domination.'

Here is the whole text:http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/andromeda/lfa/v2n3alpha.html

You decide about the genuity of this information...

So, once again... why Steven Greer has called one of his project; The Orion project?

Namaste, Steven

tone3jaguar

01-15-2010, 12:18 AM

Orion is a very large space, I would be willing to bet that there are multiple planets with civilization in that constellation. If there where an old hyper-universal lizard race of service to self aliens from Orion, the next star over could have a peaceful sect of the same race. Or this is old news and galactic politics have transformed very quickly recently.