Do you think David Wilcox is a false prophet?

[ascendedmaster]

He seems like hes laying the groundwork for that. He says he could be the reincarnation of edgar cayce, then he says he was told that he would be a spiritual leader in the future, he also said he has psychic powers and can do readings for people. I mean he did say that he wrote science fiction stories when he was younger, how do we know that half the stuff he says that is coming from insides is just not what his imagination is cooking up. It really sounds that way sometimes with some of the stuff that he comes up with. Its like he said that bill ryan leaked the 11/27 disclosure date but that wasnt even true he told bill ryan to bring it up, its like he didnt even take responcibility for that. He says that disclosure is coming by april but really there is no indication of this i dont see it happening. He says that the ascension will take place in 2012, i really hope it does becuase if it doesnt he is going to have a lot of explaining to do to his followers.

[Uriel Andros]

He may well be full of it, but I'm not sure that qualifies him to be labeled a "false prophet."

[DOMINIC 777]

A FALSE PROPHET IS A PERSON WHO PREDICTS THE FUTURE WRONGLY...Ido not believe he is the reincarnation of edgar cayce and has any more abilities than the rest of us........the way to discern if it is reality from the imagination is.........IF IT IS POSITIVE DATA and good for Mankind...then it could be a reality......there are one or 2 whistleblowers who predicted wrong dates.......aswell..11/27 is an example of falsehod...did not happen.
lol
dominic

He seems like hes laying the groundwork for that. He says he could be the reincarnation of edgar cayce, then he says he was told that he would be a spiritual leader in the future, he also said he has psychic powers and can do readings for people. I mean he did say that he wrote science fiction stories when he was younger, how do we know that half the stuff he says that is coming from insides is just not what his imagination is cooking up. It really sounds that way sometimes with some of the stuff that he comes up with. Its like he said that bill ryan leaked the 11/27 disclosure date but that wasnt even true he told bill ryan to bring it up, its like he didnt even take responcibility for that. He says that disclosure is coming by april but really there is no indication of this i dont see it happening. He says that the ascension will take place in 2012, i really hope it does becuase if it doesnt he is going to have a lot of explaining to do to his followers.

[Steven]

...He says he could be the reincarnation of edgar cayce, then he says he was told that he would be a spiritual leader in the future, he also said he has psychic powers and can do readings for people...

I wouldn't say "false prophet" because he has some very interesting information and "understanding" to share.

But... His emphasis on being Edgar Cayce shows a need for credibility. The fact he his not a first hand contactee seems to bother him subtly. It might also explain why he often mentions his talents and ability publicly without being asked to do so. Glorifying himself in public hides the needs for public acknowledge. He has great qualities, but his lack of self-confidence makes him to promote himself by himself, and this behavior does not lie.

Namaste, Steven

[misfit]

There are no prophets here now ! we are all SPECulators.
Davids work is just part of the jigsaw puzle!
There is alot happening behind the scenes.( stuff he doesnt even know... stuff none of us know.)
We are all part of the Multiverse .

David and all the those who stick their necks out , have bits of valid and non valid info stuff to occupy our selves in the waiting game most of us are playing,in this conciousness/matrix...

Alot of problem solving happens in this situation we are in also ;-). we are on the cusp of being down loaded the next level, no illusions no parasites.

I HAVE THE HIGHEST RESPECT for every one of the reaserchers/whisleblowers/seekers , weather real info or dis info ..all of it . the flexing of the intuitive/discernment/reality muscle that
inevitably expands the thinking and dreaming/reality in the situation we are in now, all helps ...

[ascendedmaster]

i dont know i kind of think he could be called a false prophet (if he was wrong) because he said that the ascension is coming in 2012 this is leading people to believe that something supernatural is going to happen and life is going to become all sorts of wonderful. This could really mess with peoples minds. No different than a cult leader who says hes jesus or someone who claims that they are channelling beings from higher dimentions or the galatic federation who keeps leading us on about a mass landing from ufos. Its all false prophecy to me, of coarse if it all turns out to be false.

[ascendedmaster]

i mean there is money to be made by making such claims not to mention something that is more desired than money, which is power

[Steve_A]

Hi DOMINIC 777,

I think your definition of a false prophet is a little bit off base. A false prophet is someone who claims to be a prophet, but isn't.
As long as they got the 'message' from the divine that is what makes them a prophet. If they're making up a theory, based on what is happening in the real world, they are just making a theory, however, when they claim to be a prophet and thier messages are only theories, then they are false prophets.

David Wilcock is very informed about crop circles, however, when it comes to other aspects of the cosmos and its' pertences, he will say things like, "According to such and such...." or "Such and such said..."

As it somewhere said in the Bible, "Beware of false prophets!".

Best regards,

Steve



A FALSE PROPHET IS A PERSON WHO PREDICTS THE FUTURE WRONGLY...Ido not believe he is the reincarnation of edgar cayce and has any more abilities than the rest of us........the way to discern if it is reality from the imagination is.........IF IT IS POSITIVE DATA and good for Mankind...then it could be a reality......there are one or 2 whistleblowers who predicted wrong dates.......aswell..11/27 is an example of falsehod...did not happen.
lol
dominic

[DOMINIC 777]

hi misfit
I agree totally , some of us have been working on esoteric areas for over 20 years..
quote
David and all the those who stick their necks out , have bits of valid and non valid info stuff to occupy our selves in the waiting game most of us are playing,in this conciousness/matrix... absolutely correct..thanks misfit.

its discerning truth from falsehood non sequiter.
lol
dominic

There are no prophets here now ! we are all SPECulators.
Davids work is just part of the jigsaw puzle!
There is alot happening behind the scenes.( stuff he doesnt even know... stuff none of us know.)
We are all part of the Multiverse .

David and all the those who stick their necks out , have bits of valid and non valid info stuff to occupy our selves in the waiting game most of us are playing,in this conciousness/matrix...

Alot of problem solving happens in this situation we are in also ;-). we are on the cusp of being down loaded the next level, no illusions no parasites.

I HAVE THE HIGHEST RESPECT for every one of the reaserchers/whisleblowers/seekers , weather real info or dis info ..all of it . the flexing of the intuitive/discernment/reality muscle that
inevitably expands the thinking and dreaming/reality in the situation we are in now, all helps ...

[larissarissa]

Why label? Who cares? I read and listen to David's material because it is fascinating and holds my interest. His research is extensive, his conclusions thought provoking. His personality may not suit everyone's taste, and his claims can be accepted or not. His website has interesting information, and the forum is full of loving people. I've just got back to PA and find the same old tired name calling and mud slinging. What's up with you guys? Haven't you got more interesting things to talk about than what you think of so and so?

[ascendedmaster]

hi misfit
I agree totally , some of us have been working on esoteric areas for over 20 years..
quote
David and all the those who stick their necks out , have bits of valid and non valid info stuff to occupy our selves in the waiting game most of us are playing,in this conciousness/matrix... absolutely correct..thanks misfit.

its discerning truth from falsehood non sequiter.
lol
dominic

I mean its not really sticking your neck out if there lying

[DOMINIC 777]

hello steve,
A true prophet, then, is a person who speaks for God, and if we think of GOD as being INFINITE CONSCIOUNESS/linked to e.t different levels of consciousness ,then
david wilcocks is talking on behalf of infinite consciouusness which he does not , or he is is talking for the e.t.'s which he does not...what he is dong is putting the puzzle together ......Ascension will not happen 2012 as he says it will, it is already happening now.......therefore it is misleading people.....27/11 Etc.was wrong, and i do not believe he is the reincarnation of edgar cayce.

i think he is genuine enough .......but needs to have more WISDOM...less EGO
lol
dominic


Hi DOMINIC 777,

I think your definition of a false prophet is a little bit off base. A false prophet is someone who claims to be a prophet, but isn't.
As long as they got the 'message' from the divine that is what makes them a prophet. If they're making up a theory, based on what is happening in the real world, they are just making a theory, however, when they claim to be a prophet and thier messages are only theories, then they are false prophets.

David Wilcox is very informed about crop circles, however, when it comes to other aspects of the cosmos and its' pertences, he will say things like, "According to such and such...." or "Such and such said..."

As it somewhere said in the Bible, "Beware of false prophets!".

Best regards,

Steve

[twoRone]

I rather enjoy David's message.. though I have a growing dislike for his self promotion.. and it's not just a little.. seems he somehow feels he needs constant reassurance that he is the best at this conference or that conference... "I'll be talking head to head with Nassim Haramein and we won't be stopping to explain"... yada yada.. David has a nice message but he is far from haramein in his physics capacity... he needs to be humbled IMO... his attempt at singing should have done it.. but nope .. LOL good grief! he compared himself to the voice of Micheal jackson for crying out load...:wall:

talk about drowning in own ego.. he wasn't like this at all in the beginning ... throw some people a little fame and it takes them over.. I guess we all have great lessons to learn no matter who you 'think' you are..

all things aside though.. I do enjoy his positive message.

528 hz to all

[Jasper]

I attended David's conference in London last October. Almost immediately he announced the 'disclosure date' at the end of November, this contradicts what he says near the beginning of his latest tome.

Don't get me wrong, I think David and others have produced some great guiding work, but in the end it is up to the individual to assimilate information (from varied sources) to suit their requirements.

David does not seem to be able to take criticism very well. He had a rant about people walking out during his extended music session at the conference.
I left before he'd finished, mainly because he'd used up all the time that was scheduled for a Q&A session. So, I thought I'd hit the road and beat the traffic.

Certain people need to be very careful about making predictions, otherwise they can lose credibility very quickly.

[lindabaker]

His name isn't David Wilcox. Doh!

[DOMINIC 777]

Hello Jasper
I TOTAQLLY AGREE WITH THESE SENTIMENTS....
a LOT OF davids data is good , but I THINK HE STILL POSSESES AN ego problem , and thet is the very enemy we are trying to defeat...he was wrong on 27/11 and jasper said:quote:
Certain people need to be very careful about making predictions, otherwise they can lose credibility very quickly. Therefore I ALSO FEEL HE IS WRONG ABOUT 2012 ASCENSION as ascension is already happeing...consciousness is rising in many ways
lol
DOMINIC


I attended David's conference in London last October. Almost immediately he announced the 'disclosure date' at the end of November, this contradicts what he says near the beginning of his latest tome.

Don't get me wrong, I think David and others have produced some great guiding work, but in the end it is up to the individual to assimilate information (from varied sources) to suit their requirements.

David does not seem to be able to take criticism very well. He had a rant about people walking out during his extended music session at the conference.
I left before he'd finished, mainly because he'd used up all the time that was scheduled for a Q&A session. So, I thought I'd hit the road and beat the traffic.

Certain people need to be very careful about making predictions, otherwise they can lose credibility very quickly.

[ascendedmaster]

His name isn't David Wilcox. Doh!



your right sorry, David Wilcock

[DOMINIC 777]

His name isn't David Wilcox. Doh!

We know it is David Wilcock's , maybe he is using a false name now
:original:
lol
dom

[ascendedmaster]

Hello Jasper
I TOTAQLLY AGREE WITH THESE SENTIMENTS....
a LOT OF davids data is good , but I THINK HE STILL POSSESES AN ego problem , and thet is the very enemy we are trying to defeat...he was wrong on 27/11 and jaspwer said:quote
Certain people need to be very careful about making predictions, otherwise they can lose credibility very quickly. Therefore I ALSO FEEL HE IS WRONG ABOUT 2012 ASCENSION as ascension is already happeing...consciosness is rising in many ways
lol
DOMINIC


Sure its already happening and conciousness is rising fast but it could take another 200 years for all we know for us to reach a true evolved state of being like with abilities such as telekenesis or telepathy

[lindabaker]

I remember David Wilcock saying he is a "dreamer." His information comes while asleep. He has performed over 500 positive and helpful readings in the past, and that cannot be left out of an analysis. Also, his work cannot be refuted simply because he wrote science fiction stories in his youth. Just because someone writes fiction doesn't mean everything else they write is fiction. Many people are capable of writing fiction and non-fiction in the same lifetime. One doesn't invalidate the other, see? I could list examples, but you get my point. I am not trying to make a judgement one way or the other, but I wanted to add insight to the information listed (or left out of) the first post. There is nothing wrong with questioning. It's all part of the process of discernment. Thank you for listening. Linda

[Steve_A]

Hi dominic,

A true prophet is they who receive messages from the 'divine'. What that divine is is up to our interpretation. If they represent the divine is not necessarily important.

I will not say that he is or isn't full of poo, I was merely trying to answer the question in the thread title. :)

If he is putting the pieces of a puzzle together, he is no different than you or I with the exception that he goes and does lectures and stuff. :D

Best regards,

Steve


hello steve,
A true prophet, then, is a person who speaks for God, and if we think of GOD as being INFINITE CONSCIOUNESS/linked to e.t different levels of consciousness ,then
david wilcox is talking on behalf of infinite consciouusness which he does not , or he is is talking for the e.t.'s which he does not...what he is dong is putting the puzzle together ......Ascension will not happen 2012 as he says it will, it is already happening now.......therefore it is misleading people.....27/11 Etc.
i think he is genuine enough .......but needs to have more WISDOM...less EGO
lol
dominic

[DOMINIC 777]

There you go I agree with you totally Steve......we are all putting the jig-saw together..he is making a bit more cash from books etc
p.s he has made a few false predictions though..well non of us are perfect
lol
dom

Hi dominic,

A true prophet is they who receive messages from the 'divine'. What that divine is is up to our interpretation. If they represent the divine is not necessarily important.

I will not say that he is or isn't full of poo, I was merely trying to answer the question in the thread title. :)

If he is putting the pieces of a puzzle together, he is no different than you or I with the exception that he goes and does lectures and stuff. :D

Best regards,

Steve

[DOMINIC 777]

Hello lindabake
can you please let me know how a person can discern truth from falsehood deception non sequiter from DREAMS!!! HAS HE A SPECIAL CONTACT TO e.t's or has a direct line to infinite consciousness.....THERE IS SOMETHING NOT RIGHT THERE!!!
LOL
Dom


I remember David Wilcock saying he is a "dreamer." His information comes while asleep. He has performed over 500 positive and helpful readings in the past, and that cannot be left out of an analysis. Also, his work cannot be refuted simply because he wrote science fiction stories in his youth. Just because someone writes fiction doesn't mean everything else they write is fiction. Many people are capable of writing fiction and non-fiction in the same lifetime. One doesn't invalidate the other, see? I could list examples, but you get my point. I am not trying to make a judgement one way or the other, but I wanted to add insight to the information listed (or left out of) the first post. There is nothing wrong with questioning. It's all part of the process of discernment. Thank you for listening. Linda

[giovonni]

David is a kind and loving awakening soul :original:

we all carry the truth within and have the capacity to transcend this realm;
the message-prompted
by you, he or I > us = one consciousness + truth = transformational bliss.

[Jacqui D]

why is there the need to define whether David is a dis informer of not, i have no doubt that David has had some form of contact and been given information via what ever source, the point here is that he has been getting the word out for a time now in my view he has the ability to be able to orate his discussions/interviews have always entertained me, let us stop defining people what they can or can not do and except that not all are on the same level of consciousness.
I like David:thumb_yello:COLOR]
[COLOR="DarkOrange"]I am still reading through his free e book.

[JesterTerrestrial]

Do you think David Wilcox is a false prophet?



No.

that said. I can not prove it true or false.

peace jt

[abraxasinas]

why is there the need to define whether David is a dis informer of not, i have no doubt that David has had some form of contact and been given information via what ever source, the point here is that he has been getting the word out for a time now in my view he has the ability to be able to orate his discussions/interviews have always entertained me, let us stop defining people what they can or can not do and except that not all are on the same level of consciousness.
I like David:thumb_yello:COLOR]
[COLOR=darkorange]I am still reading through his free e book.

David is sincere and highly attuned to the 'higherD' vibrational patterns.
David is 'on the way' of becoming an 'elder', which he is not yet, mainly due to his 'youthful exhuberance'.
Many of you know or have read, that David has a 'contact' with an elder man coming out of a spaceship of sorts. He ascribes to this 'elder' some sort of guidance role relative to himself.
This is correct - David is 'looked after' from the 'alien side' and this is positive without deceit.

Like Bill and Kerry and as many have noticed; BEING in the 'public spotlight' infers many 'emotional, psychological and physical' pressures and it are those pressures, which OFTEN result in 'younger' behaviours and expressions.
This is why some 'elders' like 'James of the wingmakers' shun ALL public exposure. It accentuates the persona of the information giver and not the data.
The most potent information of the 'elders' can be given in relative anonymity.

David Wilcock, David Icke and Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy have 'agreed' within the 'higher agenda' to 'go out on a limb' to SYNERGIZE the potent work of the 'elders' without public exposure WITH the potent PUBLIC work of the 'youngers' for the benefice of all. They are all to be supported as fulfilling their 'work' for the 'Greater Agenda'.

It's like this: The (hidden) Cosmic Grandparents have formed an ALLIANCE with their (Public) Cosmic Grandchildren to REEDUCATE the (status quo and disinformed) Cosmic Children.
But it is all Cosmic Family in Transformation.

Abraxasinas

[waitinginthewings]

I would never label David a false prophet....because such a label would imply a "deliberate & serious intention" to put forth false information.

I do not see David doing this. imo, he is doing what a lot of other researchers are doing, putting out info to help the masses. He is not a perfected being, so we should not expect perfection from him. He is doing the best that he can, albeit with some ego involved. Such things has been said about everyone in the alternative field.

We are all on the path, doing our best, flaws & all. I don't like to throw the baby out with the bathwater.:lol3:

[lindabaker]

Hello lindabake
can you please let me know how a person can discern truth from falsehood deception non sequiter from DREAMS!!! HAS HE A SPECIAL CONTACT TO e.t's or has a direct line to infinite consciousness.....THERE IS SOMETHING NOT RIGHT THERE!!!
LOL
Dom

I don't understand your question...can you re-word it for me? Thank you.

[Brian En]

I like David. I don't think he any type of prophet. I just think he's a dude following his path. Some of his stuff helps me and other parts of his work make me go huh?. I appreciate his message. It helped me to put pull me out a funk. He reminded me that all the goings on are not negative. He has his purpose at this time. I'm glad he's there doing what he's doing.


The big thing for me is that I was feeding the negative energy monster, and I was feeding him well. His message encouraged me to try and flip over to the positive and stop the free feedings.

[illuminate]

I rather enjoy David's message.. though I have a growing dislike for his self promotion.. and it's not just a little.. seems he somehow feels he needs constant reassurance that he is the best at this conference or that conference... "I'll be talking head to head with Nassim Haramein and we won't be stopping to explain"... yada yada.. David has a nice message but he is far from haramein in his physics capacity... he needs to be humbled IMO... his attempt at singing should have done it.. but nope .. LOL good grief! he compared himself to the voice of Micheal jackson for crying out load...:wall:

talk about drowning in own ego.. he wasn't like this at all in the beginning ... throw some people a little fame and it takes them over.. I guess we all have great lessons to learn no matter who you 'think' you are..

all things aside though.. I do enjoy his positive message.

528 hz to all

totally agree with you, took the words right out of my mouth!
if he had just a smidgen of humility, he'd be much easy to swallow.
it seems to be a little more about "him" rather than the message.

peace

[illuminate]

His message encouraged me to try and flip over to the positive and stop the free feedings.

I just love the way you put that!
:original:

[I_Am]

We are all false prophets, in the definition of doing prophesies - you never know until afterwards if it is to become truth - when we stop being prophets per definition...

The most interesting is maybe not if the prophets prophesies are right or wrong - but - what they do to you when you recieve them.

The only truely "true" prophesies are to my perspective those which you recieve yourself - you will recognise them by the shivers on your back/neck/spine...that is: you know when you know...same with lucid dreaming - learning the truth - watching the wonderful speech etc - sometimes you just KNOW.

Important things are never to be handled with with your intelect, but your heart and intuition.

If David's thoughts hits you - you better start listening and listening right hard. Otherwise - drop it - move on until you know.

Love from Sweden.

/M

[DOMINIC 777]

totally agree with you, took the words right out of my mouth!
if he had just a smidgen of humility, he'd be much easy to swallow.
it seems to be a little more about "him" rather than the message.

peace

therefore we are dealing with EGO the very element we are trying to conquer,and it is through ego that that negative intellectual thoughts takes place..i.e falsehoods.........no -one has the absolute truth..therefore he will obviously get things wrong
lol
dom

[Majorion]

The only 'false prophet' I think would qualify nowadays is Obama.

It comes with the territory of being in a position of relative power and influence.

Saying Wilcock is a false prophet is giving much more importance than necessary. David is just a researcher, he has some beliefs that a lot of people don't respect, but he remains only a researcher, and there's a limit there.

[DOMINIC 777]

It comes with the territory of being in a position of relative power and influence.

Saying Wilcock is a false prophet is giving much more importance than necessary. David is just a researcher, he has some beliefs that a lot of people don't respect, but he remains only a researcher, and there's a limit there.

.I do not think David is a false prophet, but he is bound to get things wrong as we all do from time to time,
lol
dom

[Brian En]

I just love the way you put that!
:original:


Thank you.

[futureyes]

does david mean well ... yes i feel he has pure and true intentions ...
what is he but a man who passionately feels he has some truth to deliver to others ... for the greater good ... to move us forward ...
information ... that is what he delivers ... information ...

i feel the greater he has come to do so ... speaking of what he knows as he knows it ... greater have the opportunities risen for him to partake in avenues of profit and such ... and some he has chosen to take ... probably turned down many others ... it is his free will to do so ... if it were you or i in those same shoes ... as our popularity grew ... whose to say how we would continue to carry out our message as time passed ... if we were honest with our selves ... we could say we wouldn't always remain aligned to our purpose within every breath we took ... we are human ... if an opportunity of gain in areas of profit became available to us ... whose to say we would not allow our ego to dip in such areas ...

we can judge his actions ... we can judge what he delivers ... but really ... we should be taking responsibility for our own selves to DISCERN ... the fact of why he is ... and what it is he conveys to us ... which really is but a piece of the puzzle ... what he delivers ... as various others do ... is simply information from a different angle ... and i feel it ... as with ALL information we open our selves to ... is information meant to trigger the realilzation of our own inner truth ...

our responsibility ... is to take all available information to us ... and discern what resonates within us and utilize such info to expand and grow ...

but to judge another for their ways ... i feel that is not BEing responsible ...
take it or leave it ... simple ...

as a society ... we seem to place much expectation upon others to deliver what feels of truth ... but we are all different ... we cannot expect all truth to be our own truth ...
as someone's popularity grows as it would have with david's ... i'm certain he too feels that expectation of him ... perhaps the expectation felt triggers ones ego to tweak or enhance that of which we know of simplicity ... because we are a world that simplicity is never enough ...

is he a false prohet ... i don't feel this at all ... someone who intentionally and deliberately brings forth untrue information ... no ... i don't feel this about david at all ...

does he know more than you or i ... no ... he knows his piece of the puzzle ... we have one of those too ... we are works in progress coming to realize this ...

does he have greater abilities than you or i ... no ... we ALL have the same abilities ... again ... he is a forerunner in realizing what those abilities are ... and living them ...

the man puts his pants on the same as we do ... one leg at a time ... as do ALL whom deliver information to us ...

to judge another's actions in doing so ... is of ego ... of the old way ...
to take responsibility and discern what holds true for us ... and what does not benefit us ... transcends ego ...

i'm babbling yet again ... :shocked:
yeah ... a real shocker ... :lol3:

guess what i'm saying is to not to place so much expectation upon another ... for it is when others do not fit the mold we have created for them ... mold of expectation ... is when we become disappointed when they do not meet what we expect ...

perhaps have we done this with this man ... and others ...
and perhaps they have grown to meet our expectations ... some in ways we then judge and disprove of ...

but they only walk their path ... as we should do our own ...

discern discern discern ...

ok ... i guess i'm done now ... yet again ... :naughty:

:wub2:

[feardia]

David wilcock doesn't know any more than the rest of us, who told him he was a prophet? People have projected onto him what they want him to be and his ego has run away with it. Be your own guru...

[metaw3]

You might want to look at his website before 2000:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/ascension2000.com

[Sarahmay]

He seems like hes laying the groundwork for that. He says he could be the reincarnation of edgar cayce, then he says he was told that he would be a spiritual leader in the future, he also said he has psychic powers and can do readings for people. I mean he did say that he wrote science fiction stories when he was younger, how do we know that half the stuff he says that is coming from insides is just not what his imagination is cooking up. It really sounds that way sometimes with some of the stuff that he comes up with. Its like he said that bill ryan leaked the 11/27 disclosure date but that wasnt even true he told bill ryan to bring it up, its like he didnt even take responcibility for that. He says that disclosure is coming by april but really there is no indication of this i dont see it happening. He says that the ascension will take place in 2012, i really hope it does becuase if it doesnt he is going to have a lot of explaining to do to his followers.

Gee, are you an ascended master? You call yourself one...

[ascendedmaster]

Gee, are you an ascended master? You call yourself one...


an ascended master in training, just like anyone else:-)

[Sarahmay]

an ascended master in training, just like anyone else:-)

Good answer! Think David is one too.

[sjkted]

You might want to look at his website before 2000:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/ascension2000.com

So, we were all supposed to ascend in the year 2000?

--sjkted

[joe2288]

I do not believe Davids ever claimed to be a prophet. I believe he is a more

of a researcher, in a way a a person who puts pieces of the puzzle together,

for those who don't have the opportunity to do it themselves. I think people

who label other people as prophets, or follow self proclaimed profits, have more

learning to do for themselves.

[THE eXchanger]

JK, Jiddu Krishnamurti, was a good one to listen too
and, David Wilcock, does VERY good work !!!

[haibane]

Yes, David Wilcock is a bit full of himself, even for my taste, but whether false or a prophet only time will tell - I don't agree with everything he says or writes by far, and I certainly don't think most of his 'scientific proofs' and 'disclosrures' fit the description at all ... But I'm always willing to listen to what he has to say. I hope he won't change into some kind of a 'spiritual leader' one day, as he himself discourages from that, and anyway, he himself advises everyone not to take anything at its face value.

So, as for me, no, I don't think he is a false prophet.

[sjkted]

For the people who answered they derive benefit from Wilcock's work, I'm curious. What benefit do you get from it?

--sjkted

[orthodoxymoron]

I admire David in many ways. He is very knowledgable and perceptive. But for some strange reason...I always feel uneasy when I listen to him. I don't know why.

:original:Namaste:original:

[haibane]

For the people who answered they derive benefit from Wilcock's work, I'm curious. What benefit do you get from it?

--sjkted

Like, this, for example?
The big thing for me is that I was feeding the negative energy monster, and I was feeding him well. His message encouraged me to try and flip over to the positive and stop the free feedings.

[Christo888]

I thought this was kinda cool... from November 28th 1999.

http://web.archive.org/web/19991128124257/http://ascension2000.com/

[Wilcock Reading 52-5]

We have now crossed the 8/11/99 "11:11" gateway.

Literally, at any time, any day now, it could be RIGHT NOW…

Are You Ready Right Now?

Seriously.



If not, go into the bathroom. Look at yourself in the mirror.

Apologize for hurting this person all these years. Be specific.

Forgive yourself for hurting this person all these years. Don't lie.

Tell the person looking at you that you love them. Mean it.

If you didn’t cry, you did it wrong.

This is your penultimate homework assignment!

It is best performed during a personal "healing crisis." Try it.


.......................
The world is full of prophets about 7 billion of them and they're all psychic and have dreams.

I remember the ones back in the ol born again church days now those people were the best prophets and servants ever on the face of the earth. The church was full of the most powerful dreamers and interpreters and the prophesy's that came forth were the most accurate ever recorded to date (but I guess Jesus didn't get the memo). :original:

I met Isis/Mary Magdelene in Florida and spent lots of time with her. Cleopatra lives up in Michigan she is a really neat lady. I guess just tuning into a certain frequency like on a radio you can see and understand the energy field of that frequency just like all those in the past have done before.

This is a crazy cool planet isn't it!!!:lol3:

You can be anyone you want to be!:thumb_yello:

[micjer]

You might want to look at his website before 2000:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/ascension2000.com

I looked through a fair bit of this. Did David predict that we were all going to ascend in Y2K? I didn't read or follow him back then.

[sjkted]

I looked through a fair bit of this. Did David predict that we were all going to ascend in Y2K? I didn't read or follow him back then.

As far as I can tell, it sure looks like it.

--sjkted

[sjkted]

Here's another gem to look at:

http://web.archive.org/web/20010410015427/ascension2000.com/9.11.99.htm

--sjkted

[metaw3]

I looked through a fair bit of this. Did David predict that we were all going to ascend in Y2K? I didn't read or follow him back then.

The name of the site is suggesting it, as well as pieces of text before 2000:

http://web.archive.org/web/19990508172312/http://www.ascension2000.com/
Now Within One Year of Arrival - Getting Excited?


http://web.archive.org/web/19991002102909/www.ascension2000.com/Convergence/9901.html
So now it is time for a new millennium. Big deal. Why all the attention, we ask? We all know that the Earth will have revolved around the Sun exactly 2000 times since the year that we declared as the birth of Christ. And now, our calendar system is about to flip over, and we brace for the shock that our computer systems will endure from using "19" as a built - in standard, and only the last two digits to indicate the actual year. The "y2k" problem, or the "Millennium Bug," certainly appears to have the potential to make some of these heinous prophecies come true. Thousands and thousands of different computer systems, in every conceivable area of human usage, will simply not "make it." American assessors insist quite arrogantly that the US will fare moderately well. The further implication is that most of the rest of the world will take a crash course in a technology and electricity-free, pioneering lifestyle, for an unknown length of time.

But let's take a good look at the facts. In the worst-case scenario, there is a loss of all telephone and power services. Whether other systems are compliant or not almost becomes immaterial if this were to happen, because even a fully compliant system needs power and communications to run on. The careful Internet media mogul, leafing through articles on Jeff Rense's website entitled Sightings, can see numerous examples of Canada and European countries openly preparing their militaries for social collapse and chaos. The first possible signs of an anticipated collapse occurring in America are visible as well, with the Fed printing $80 billion in new cash to cover the inevitable bank runs that people will make. Also, a recent bulletin from the FEMA prepared their volunteers to be fully prepared and active by Summer of 1999, in order to intervene in a possible social collapse.

[...]

In short, we will demonstrate that the 1999-2000 Ascension Vortex is the result of all dimensions in the Solar System operating through large, approximately 25,000-year cycles.



http://web.archive.org/web/19991002141132/www.ascension2000.com/Convergence/9906.html

Thus, the total meaning of "Universal reincarnation" seems to be that every person who has ever walked on the face of the Earth in the last 12,500 years has reincarnated at least once in the 20th Century, and hopefully will be around for the 1999 -2000 event itself.



http://web.archive.org/web/20010208212018/www.ascension2000.com/Convergence/9903.html
And now, in the present moment, growing contingents of astrophysicists are predicting major failures in our communication systems, surrounding the year 2000. The typical 11-year sunspot cycle reaches its peak in 2000, and based on current observations, we can expect some very serious solar effects as a result.

http://web.archive.org/web/20010208212018/www.ascension2000.com/Convergence/9903.html

Clearly, the Maya put a great deal of work into this cycle, and it appears from their own writings that they were warning us that this cycle causes periodic, massive cataclysms. Without factoring in Ascension, the more we find out about this cycle, the more we want to know when it will be. Then we know that we can stop going to work, put on a pair of shorts, sit out and relax in a lawn chair and wait for the end of time, quietly sipping a lemonade [or perhaps something a lot stronger.] And the near - unanimous conclusion is that the end date is… [drum roll…] December 22, 2012!

2012. There you go - the sun shifts, the earth shifts, and the most expensive resort hotels in the world are booked out ten years in advance for that fateful night. The Ra Material indicates that the Earth will have become completely fourth-dimensional by this point. The French have calculated that the Earth will pass into the Age of Aquarius at this point. If we take it at strictly face value, it would appear that this is when the incredible moment of Ascension should take place, right?

But no, something doesn’t feel quite right there. Cayce talked of 1998 and 2001 for the solar cycle, not 2012. Indeed, untold multitudes of reliable intuitive predictions seem to center on 2000, not 2012. This is covered quite well in A.T. Mann's book Millennium Prophecies and Charles Berlitz's Doomsday 1999 AD. It also is obviously a featured aspect of Bible prophecy, as indicated in works such as Hal Lindsey's The Late Great Planet Earth.

[...]

In the previous editions of this book, the author had incorrectly drawn a conclusion regarding the 12 / 22 / 2012 Mayan Calendar ending date being wrong, and the actual ending date being 2039. You will see why this happened in the next chapter. Thus, this edition of the book is revised and updated to correct the errors in previous editions. The author, through his own deep trance work doing psychic "readings," has now discovered exactly why he was wrong in the past. He has also discovered exactly why 2000 is the year to watch for a dimensional shift, not 2012. As we go forward in this book, all of these points will be explained.

etc.

There are fall back dates until 2039. So I guess ascension can happen as late as 2039, but obviously, in 2001 the name of the site had to be changed.


http://web.archive.org/web/19991002163954/www.ascension2000.com/Convergence/9907.html
We will suggest here that in 2039, many others besides the Messianic figure will be arriving as well; namely, our now - ascended brethren from 1999. Lemesurier himself suggested that 2039 could be interpreted in more general, less Christianity-focused terms in his second Pyramid book, The Great Pyramid - Your Personal Guide.

[Steve_A]

Hi Jacqui D,

Wilcocks' free e-book is like mine (yes, I write books also! :mfr_omg:). The tactic is the same, albeit the subject is different.

On my site I offer the free e-book in exchange for a persons' e-mail address as I know that the moment that person downloads my free e-book they are interested in the subject matter and I can contact them later to buy the full priced book.

There is a reason why free e-books are offered on the web and it's not necessarily just to get the info out there or because I'm a nice guy (although I am :) ).

Best regards,

Steve


[/SIZE]
I am still reading through his free e book.

[Steve_A]

Hi metaw3,

Once again it appears that Wilcock is merely repassing information that he has researched. In the examples you gave he uses "It seems" or "They have predicted" or "According to".

I see him as a researcher and of course there is nothing wrong in that.

Best regards,

Steve



The name of the site is suggesting it, as well as pieces of text before 2000:

http://web.archive.org/web/19990508172312/http://www.ascension2000.com/



http://web.archive.org/web/19991002102909/www.ascension2000.com/Convergence/9901.html



http://web.archive.org/web/19991002141132/www.ascension2000.com/Convergence/9906.html



http://web.archive.org/web/20010208212018/www.ascension2000.com/Convergence/9903.html


http://web.archive.org/web/20010208212018/www.ascension2000.com/Convergence/9903.html


etc.

There are fall back dates until 2039. So I guess ascension can happen as late as 2039, but obviously, in 2001 the name of the site had to be changed.


http://web.archive.org/web/19991002163954/www.ascension2000.com/Convergence/9907.html

[Majorion]

There is a reason why free e-books are offered on the web and it's not necessarily just to get the info out there or because I'm a nice guy (although I am :) ).

Hi Steve,

As Wilcock would say; you give a little and get some in return too.

I don't think there is anything wrong with that ethic.

The problem is some people only see things in black-or-white terms. They either don't trust David and believe he's an outright fraud, or they think as the title would suggest: "prophet".

Not applying this to yourself or anyone else here, by any means, just saying I have noted this perspective with many people on conspiracy forums, and not just DW, but it seems a trend plaguing almost every other alternative researcher of 'fringe topics' as well.

We need to have a more balanced perspective overall. :original:

Cheers

[Shaynard]

No one has all the answers, and any future we could see is merely a "possible" future, therefor relaying what information you gained through any method may not be completely false. I for one am VERY glad many things I predicted (albeit silently) did not come to pass. There is information that suggests we control the future through consciousness.. if that is true, than David or anyone else, merely making a prediction, changes that future they are predicting.

My experience with "past life" work has been terrible. I have recieved the exact same information from now 13 different regressionists. Several of these people have been able to draw for me the same "connections' to these past lives that David has had drawn for him. Based on the way he states "the possibility" of him being a reincarnation of Cayce, I can relate.. The only difference being, I have not made mine "public". (mostly because I personaly choose to not believe these ''readings" for fear of them being a trick to play on my ego).

The majority of David's work seems to be putting data together in a neat and organized fashion in order to aide in teaching people who are not looking for this information , or perhaps lack the resourses or mativation to do this research themselves. Which is a great thing for us all.

David seems to have a great ability to see connections between these seemingly random pieces of data, which open more questions which leads to more possible answers.. also a great thing. The data is just that, data.. not his work. His "story" and his "message" are based on his interpretation of many things. Perhaps he is no more "right" or "wrong" than anyone else. I do not have the power to say for sure myself.

He is a human being (currently) and therefor is subject to all the same challenges as we are, and we all make mistakes. Fortunatly not all of us have those mistakes made in the public eye. (especially THIS kind of "public eye")

I would love the chance to thank him personally for what he does for us. (as well as sort out a few other "things")

This kind of "fame" is not a fun kind like Brad Pitt and Angelina get to enjoy. It is a sacrifice for a percieved greater good.

Just my opinion. :)

In light, of love
Shaynard

[joe2288]

No one has all the answers, and any future we could see is merely a "possible" future, therefor relaying what information you gained through any method may not be completely false. I for one am VERY glad many things I predicted (albeit silently) did not come to pass. There is information that suggests we control the future through consciousness.. if that is true, than David or anyone else, merely making a prediction, changes that future they are predicting.

My experience with "past life" work has been terrible. I have recieved the exact same information from now 13 different regressionists. Several of these people have been able to draw for me the same "connections' to these past lives that David has had drawn for him. Based on the way he states "the possibility" of him being a reincarnation of Cayce, I can relate.. The only difference being, I have not made mine "public". (mostly because I personaly choose to not believe these ''readings" for fear of them being a trick to play on my ego).

The majority of David's work seems to be putting data together in a neat and organized fashion in order to aide in teaching people who are not looking for this information , or perhaps lack the resourses or mativation to do this research themselves. Which is a great thing for us all.

David seems to have a great ability to see connections between these seemingly random pieces of data, which open more questions which leads to more possible answers.. also a great thing. The data is just that, data.. not his work. His "story" and his "message" are based on his interpretation of many things. Perhaps he is no more "right" or "wrong" than anyone else. I do not have the power to say for sure myself.

He is a human being (currently) and therefor is subject to all the same challenges as we are, and we all make mistakes. Fortunatly not all of us have those mistakes made in the public eye. (especially THIS kind of "public eye")

I would love the chance to thank him personally for what he does for us. (as well as sort out a few other "things")

This kind of "fame" is not a fun kind like Brad Pitt and Angelina get to enjoy. It is a sacrifice for a percieved greater good.

Just my opinion. :)

In light, of love
Shaynard

You make an excellent point and i agree with you. All David does it put pieces

of the puzzle together and anyone can make errors including me lol.

[Firedrake]

No one has all the answers, and any future we could see is merely a "possible" future, therefor relaying what information you gained through any method may not be completely false. I for one am VERY glad many things I predicted (albeit silently) did not come to pass. There is information that suggests we control the future through consciousness.. if that is true, than David or anyone else, merely making a prediction, changes that future they are predicting.

My experience with "past life" work has been terrible. I have recieved the exact same information from now 13 different regressionists. Several of these people have been able to draw for me the same "connections' to these past lives that David has had drawn for him. Based on the way he states "the possibility" of him being a reincarnation of Cayce, I can relate.. The only difference being, I have not made mine "public". (mostly because I personaly choose to not believe these ''readings" for fear of them being a trick to play on my ego).

The majority of David's work seems to be putting data together in a neat and organized fashion in order to aide in teaching people who are not looking for this information , or perhaps lack the resourses or mativation to do this research themselves. Which is a great thing for us all.

David seems to have a great ability to see connections between these seemingly random pieces of data, which open more questions which leads to more possible answers.. also a great thing. The data is just that, data.. not his work. His "story" and his "message" are based on his interpretation of many things. Perhaps he is no more "right" or "wrong" than anyone else. I do not have the power to say for sure myself.

He is a human being (currently) and therefor is subject to all the same challenges as we are, and we all make mistakes. Fortunatly not all of us have those mistakes made in the public eye. (especially THIS kind of "public eye")

I would love the chance to thank him personally for what he does for us. (as well as sort out a few other "things")

This kind of "fame" is not a fun kind like Brad Pitt and Angelina get to enjoy. It is a sacrifice for a percieved greater good.

Just my opinion. :)

In light, of love
Shaynard


Absolutely! :thumb_yello: Excellent post

In one of David's videos he talks about how there are other people that have the same people match up in their life that Edgar had, just like David has; and I think he said that one of them was even in the same line of work as David.

I think there is something to be learned from this in that as we continue on our path back to Source, we start becoming like minded; and I think this is a clear case of that.

So I don't think it is trying to play on your ego, but show you that it is just part of what happens to us when we decide to become 'service-to-self' oriented and let Universal Spirit happen and flow through us. :original:

-Love and Light-

[DOMINIC 777]

As far as I can tell, it sure looks like it.

--sjkted

One falsehood is that David Wilcock is no reincarnation of Edgar Cayce,he has a big Ego problem ,the very thing we are trying to conquer and because no-one can predict the future ...anyone who says they can is a false prophet..
i could say nice positive things but reality is reality
lol
dom

[abraxasinas]

Absolutely! :thumb_yello: Excellent post

In one of David's videos he talks about how there are other people that have the same people match up in their life that Edgar had, just like David has; and I think he said that one of them was even in the same line of work as David.

I think there is something to be learned from this in that as we continue on our path back to Source, we start becoming like minded; and I think this is a clear case of that.

So I don't think it is trying to play on your ego, but show you that it is just part of what happens to us when we decide to become 'service-to-self' oriented and let Universal Spirit happen and flow through us. :original:

-Love and Light-

Imo David Wilcock IS the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce with the caveat that 'reincarnation' is multileveled and NOT linear.
Many people besides David can assume all or part of the 'soulwave' energy of Edgar. David Wilcock so has agreed on a 'soul level' to blend with Edgagr Cayce on the physical level to 'play and give a voice to Edgar Cayce' ''across the dimensional veil'.

Perhaps I should say here, that the concept of an individual soul is somewhat a misnomer if applied to the lower dimensional realms.
Each and every one of you is an Individuated Soul as a part of the 'God-Soul' or whatever you would like to term it.
As a partial 'GodSoul' then you became a Multidimensional Family-Group-Soul, expressing in multiple densities/dimensions.

Then it becomes like a movie to be scriptwitten, produced, directed and acted.


Can anyone of you not play Cleopatra in movie number 1 and play Eliza Dolittle in My Fair Lady in movie number 2?
Can not your sister then 'swap roles' and so on?
If any of you would like to participate as Marie Antoinette in Napoleon Bonaparte's bedroom - just imagine it - you may get a few surprises if your intent is emotionally charged though.

Love Abrax

[THE eXchanger]

Imo David Wilcock IS the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce with the caveat that 'reincarnation' is multileveled and NOT linear.
Many people besides David can assume all or part of the 'soulwave' energy of Edgar. David Wilcock so has agreed on a 'soul level' to blend with Edgagr Cayce on the physical level to 'play and give a voice to Edgar Cayce' ''across the dimensional veil'.
Perhaps I should say here, that the concept of an individual soul is somewhat a misnomer if applied to the lower dimensional realms.
Each and every one of you is an Individuated Soul as a part of the 'God-Soul' or whatever you would like to term it.
As a partial 'GodSoul' then you became a Multidimensional Family-Group-Soul, expressing in multiple densities/dimensions.
Then it becomes like a movie to be scriptwitten, produced, directed and acted.
Love Abrax
We agree with that, in fact, he also has numeric matchups within his natal astrology chart, that reinforce, the claim, to previous, edgar casey...
noteable, too, are some of the souls around him in this lifetime, connected to the past lifetime/or lifetimes.

[THE eXchanger]

One falsehood is that David Wilcock is no reincarnation of Edgar Cayce,he has a big Ego problem ,the very thing we are trying to conquer and because no-one can predict the future ...anyone who says they can is a false prophet..
i could say nice positive things but reality is reality
lol dom
Out of curiousity DOM,
how good is your 'own reality' right now ???

(you do NOT need to publically, answer that question,
but, it is a good one, for many of us, to ponder~myself included)
as, i do believe, we live by our sword, and, act with our sword.

iT seems, that anyone who steps out to do anything significant,
gets laughed at, then, gets riduculed, and/or singled out,
and, people point the 'ego' thing, at them,
when in reality, you have an i-god, (internal god)
and, an e-god, (eXternal god)...and, iT iS the only way,
in which, you can eXpress things.

iT also, seems, that anyone who steps out,
and, stays outrageous/or out-of-the-norm, or, NOT normal things,
oft times, people assume, they are crazy, or they are nuts,
OR, they are stuffed full of an ego -- let's hope you are stuffed full of something ;)

and, yet, when everyone, or, at least some of them,
realise, that someone is, on a good path ~ they knew iT all along
(and, did NOT really need that person to tell them anything)

perhaps, iT is proof that we are all here,
in interersting times/or TYMES
~and, everyone has different parts
of the same huge puzzle
NO one piece, more important than the other pieces...
perhaps, as soon, as, we quick the process of picking the other pieces,
to pieces, all the pieces, will fit, back together again,
and, the huge taprestry of life/and, lives, will come back into alignment,
and, those NOT here, with a goal of total AGAPE/or total LOVE,
will just NOT be here, anymore !!!

[Shaynard]

Absolutely! :thumb_yello: Excellent post

I think there is something to be learned from this in that as we continue on our path back to Source, we start becoming like minded; and I think this is a clear case of that.

So I don't think it is trying to play on your ego, but show you that it is just part of what happens to us when we decide to become 'service-to-self' oriented and let Universal Spirit happen and flow through us. :original:

-Love and Light-

I am happy you enjoyed the post. :)

IF we are all one mind at the source, then yes it makes perfect sense that as we return to closeness with that "source" we should seemingly become more "like minded".

Thank you for sharing your opinion regarding the tricks of ego. I appreciate your perspective. I also hope you are right. :original:


Imo David Wilcock IS the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce with the caveat that 'reincarnation' is multileveled and NOT linear.
Many people besides David can assume all or part of the 'soulwave' energy of Edgar. David Wilcock so has agreed on a 'soul level' to blend with Edgagr Cayce on the physical level to 'play and give a voice to Edgar Cayce' ''across the dimensional veil'.

Love Abrax

I agree with you completely on this, and think it to be very well said. Something I have noticed of several of your posts I have read today.. Beautiful energy.

In light, of love
Shaynard

[BlueHand]

when I first heard David Wilcox speak I had a feeling that there's something just not right here,my spider senses were telling me.I am not saying David is deliberately lying or deceiving us etc. but he is on his spiritual path (like us all) and he is playing his role on this huge stage.There are a few others like David Wilcox that give me those feelings of "there is something not just right here" for example Dan Burisch & Bill Deagle,Crystal Child - Jessica etc. there are a few others too,you just get those feelings that what they saying is not just right,there is something wrong.I have my own doubts about people when they state or believe they were a certain person in a past life.Where there's money to be made we see such people.

[THE eXchanger]

good eXchange is something you honour,
NOT something that is eXpected

david has a right to earn a living,
just as, you do, and, so to, do we
~there is NOTHING wrong with getting paid

everyone needs eXchange

otherwise, how iS iT anyone,
would learn, any lessons,
or, know what has value,
or, what is valuable ???

without a form of eXchange ~ no one can be any type of eXchanger

[DOMINIC 777]

Hello exchanger ,
My reality is fine, Daivid wilcock is not the reincarnatiion of Edgar Ccayce, and no-one can tell the future..they will be false prophets
quote:
how good is your 'own reality' right now ???

My reality is based on a deep intuitive instinct...and if people are positive and trying to help Mankind... i BELIEVE THIS TO BE MY REALITY...linked to Love, Compassion and Altruism......everything else comes from the EGO...and conquering the ego is based on suffering.....otherwise we do not learn anything.....the battle now is between SANITY and INSANITY...insanity will create WORLD-WIDE GENOCIDE
lol
dominic


Out of curiousity DOM,
how good is your 'own reality' right now ???

(you do NOT need to publically, answer that question,
but, it is a good one, for many of us, to ponder~myself included)
as, i do believe, we live by our sword, and, act with our sword.

iT seems, that anyone who steps out to do anything significant,
gets laughed at, then, gets riduculed, and/or singled out,
and, people point the 'ego' thing, at them,
when in reality, you have an i-god, (internal god)
and, an e-god, (eXternal god)...and, iT iS the only way,
in which, you can eXpress things.

iT also, seems, that anyone who steps out,
and, stays outrageous/or out-of-the-norm, or, NOT normal things,
oft times, people assume, they are crazy, or they are nuts,
OR, they are stuffed full of an ego -- let's hope you are stuffed full of something ;)

and, yet, when everyone, or, at least some of them,
realise, that someone is, on a good path ~ they knew iT all along
(and, did NOT really need that person to tell them anything)

perhaps, iT is proof that we are all here,
in interersting times/or TYMES
~and, everyone has different parts
of the same huge puzzle
NO one piece, more important than the other pieces...
perhaps, as soon, as, we quick the process of picking the other pieces,
to pieces, all the pieces, will fit, back together again,
and, the huge taprestry of life/and, lives, will come back into alignment,
and, those NOT here, with a goal of total AGAPE/or total LOVE,
will just NOT be here, anymore !!!

[Peace of mind]

In my opinion, (as far as aliens and agendas) it might be a bit unwise to believe in the testimonies of strangers presenting unproven facts. The deeds of these whistle blowers might be genuine but the lack of facts to their claims isn’t really helping much, is it? It baffles the mind how they don’t see what they’re doing. What they are doing is causing more harm by confusing people with SciFy sounding stories.
If I was a whistleblower, it would be in my heart to consider these illusive issues from the UN-awaken point of view. Why go thru the trouble when there’s no actual proof to present? That will only make me look like I’m seeking attention. Before I go off attempting to make money out of this stuff, I’ll make sure this stuff is authentic. What most of these guys claim can change the lives of many people, it makes them no better than TPTB if any of this stuff is fabrications or straight out lies. There are many ways to earn a living but selling the masses unproven important information is irresponsible and a cause for concern.

Peace

[THE eXchanger]

there are a lot of wise people,
who do NOT agree with you
and, likely his 'casey' lifetime,
was a grand cycle

and, grand cycle, energetically, are completed

however, DAVID is, what he is, in this NOW

no one, is going to be correct, 100% of the time

as, correction, falls into the hands of the collective consciousness,
of all, of us, and, even things, that are within the cosmos,
and, NOT physically parked on earth

so~iT appears, we are all pieces trying to weave correctly
following our own higher guidance, and, higher guides, etc.,

as, we said, above - iT iS NOT easy, for anyone with ideas, to get them out

[lindabaker]

eXchanger is correct.

[joe2288]

:band: agreed glad we have people who can look at things in higher terms haha.

:winner_first_h4h: i think we all know all this conversation is gonna lead to

:starwars: so I am outta this thread :stretcher:

[ascendedmaster]

Its like anyone can come out and say "im jesus" and get followers all you need is a little carisma, there are alot of lost people out there. Look at the cults like strong city, jones town, david koresh, or that hal bop thing look how those ended up. Or all these "psycics like sylvia brown or john edwards are these people willing to be such a fraud and have no concious that they will prey on peoples heartachs to make a buck(big bucks). How souless is that. If they are fakes they need to be exposed.

To me it makes me wonder if David becoming something like this. I mean he seems like a nice guy and ive never seen him be rude or disrepectful in anyway as a matter of fact just the opposite, its just when your telling people in an absolute manner that there IS this great change coming in 2012 and we are all going to be going into this harmonious peaceful world this can mess with peoples minds in a big way. As people have pointed out in previous posts he has said this before and nothing has happened. Meanwhile hes making money off of it, starting a music carrer, hell hes even making a hollywood movie. Its making me wonder what his true intention has become, but i as much as any of you want to believe to him

[THE eXchanger]

he always leads you to 'more'
that in itself,
is a good sign ;)

[ascendedmaster]

its like i remember him telling a story about when he was sitting at a table in a resturaunt reading a book on montauk and out of no where some guy come up to him and starts to tell him how he was there and goes on to tell him all about it, or he talks about his inside source "daniel" I mean should we really believe him when there is no proof to this we are just supposed to take his word on it. I mean sure how can people just come out and blatenly lie about something like that, that would be even more ridiculous than the story sounds, but people do do this. He is a pisces and pisces can very much be spiritual people half spirit half human, but pisces can sometimes be pathological liers. Sure his astrology chart is close to edgar caseys but as i discovered mine turns out to be very close to john lennons still though i dont think i have half the talent he had(well it might be generous to say half :-)

[ascendedmaster]

he always leads you to 'more'
that in itself,
is a good sign ;)


this is very true since ive discoved davids work it has lead me into a whole new world of discovery, he was to first one i herd talk about an ascension and took my research to next level my mind has like been freed completely opened branching in all these directions, its been quite the wonder to awake. This is why I still give him the benifit of doubt, cause the things he talks about seems to be true when you cross reference sources

[G9211]

My 2 cents.... personally I have thought about this and I honestly do not know. I mean how could I? But I do question everybody. I don't care who they are....I take in what they are saying but I don't neccessarily believe it. I just try to do the best I can at figuring it all out. I try to be open to everything no matter how insane it sounds. There are also things I hear I'd LOVE to be true, but it doesn't make them true, and I REALLY need to remember that.

[Freedive]

Apart from his "RA channeling" I appreciate his work and am grateful for his contributions in terms of research and thought provoking material.

[DOMINIC 777]

In my opinion, (as far as aliens and agendas) it might be a bit unwise to believe in the testimonies of strangers presenting unproven facts. The deeds of these whistle blowers might be genuine but the lack of facts to their claims isn’t really helping much, is it? It baffles the mind how they don’t see what they’re doing. What they are doing is causing more harm by confusing people with SciFy sounding stories.
If I was a whistleblower, it would be in my heart to consider these illusive issues from the UN-awaken point of view. Why go thru the trouble when there’s no actual proof to present? That will only make me look like I’m seeking attention. Before I go off attempting to make money out of this stuff, I’ll make sure this stuff is authentic. What most of these guys claim can change the lives of many people, it makes them no better than TPTB if any of this stuff is fabrications or straight out lies. There are many ways to earn a living but selling the masses unproven important information is irresponsible and a cause for concern.

hello peace of mind,
I think David is doing his best with the the limited information coming to him,,,we on this forum know and have learrnt a great deal from many people also all the research we have done ourselves..........
analysing truth from falsehood is very difficult...therefore "HOW DO WE DISCERN TRUTH FROM FALSEHOOD?

If the information is positive and it is for the good of Mankind it is the truth,
If you take the complete opposite stance ,taken by the negative element,malevolence ,hate ,genocide etc this is also the truth. No one can predict the future we can only prepare ourselves for what the neg element(insanity) will do.
Who has the definitive truth for the jig-saw puzzle for Mankind.....the person or persons will be hidden...wisdom
lol
dominic.........

[Brian En]

I try and take what works for me and leave the rest. I'll go insane if I try and figure everyone in the public eye.

[unlimited mind]

we are all prophets! we are all divine beings, gods, if you will. beautiful creators we are. we all speak our truth with every word uttered, as that is the perception we have at that moment in time. all of our perceptions change as we evolve into higher awareness of self.

so, really, everything anyone is saying, is truth, but that level of truth will grow, unless of course you are really attached to that ONE truth.

i really enjoy david's work and he seems to be working from a service to others place, and i am cool with that.

this whole discussion about the impeccability of whistle blowers has been ongoing in regards to PC, and of course PA, especially. and since they are at the top of this little pyramid of info, all you have to do is look on the PC home page to read their thoughts on several whistle blowers. so, all i am saying, is that this kind of judgement, could be cleaned up, energetically, right here and now. cultivating a solid discernment within ourselves, is key to taking the next step.

we are all valuable to the whole. there is a reason there is so much consciousness incarnated in bodies at this time, we need each other to make the shift. whatever role we are playing can change in an instant, but is vital to the whole process. i do hope that 2010 will lead us to a gentle warrior perception of our reality. where force is laid to rest, and inner power rules the day.

[hollylindin]

Why label? Who cares? I read and listen to David's material because it is fascinating and holds my interest. His research is extensive, his conclusions thought provoking. His personality may not suit everyone's taste, and his claims can be accepted or not. His website has interesting information, and the forum is full of loving people.

I definitely agree, Larissa, and you worded this beautifully. I believe in quite a few things that David talks about, and I think he's coming from a place of love - not a dark, selfish place. Yes, he makes money off his conferences and books and stuff, but that's the world we live in right now - money is a way right now for him to get his thoughts out there and spread the word. And as far as I'm concerned, his word is full of positivity. We couldn't ask for more, really!

<3

[hollylindin]

He is a pisces and pisces can very much be spiritual people half spirit half human, but pisces can also be pathological liers. (mod changed quote to reflect clarification)

I've studied astrology for over fifteen years, and I have NEVER heard that Pisceans are known to be pathological liars. As a Pisces myself, I kinda take offense to that - especially considering I never lie (it's a waste of time and energy, and why should I be embarrassed or whatever to tell the truth? If people have a problem with what I think or have done, that's their problem, you know?) and have gone outta my way to be honest with others, no matter the outcome. So it's pretty well an unfair statement. (It's like saying it's known that all Scorpions are sex-obsessed or all Virgos are known to be uncomfortable with sex, both of which aren't true in every case.)

This is a pure example of synchronicity. I'm sure we have ALL had strange phenomena happen in our personal lives - like this story about David in a restaurant and meeting his "Daniel". I believe this is HIGHLY possible, as I've experienced strange things myself in my life that seem to occur outta the blue. When you're on a quest for truth, sometimes the answers just pop right out at you at the EXACT time you need them. (Read or watch "The Celestine Prophecy" for a brilliant example of this.)

<3

[ascendedmaster]

I've studied astrology for over fifteen years, and I have NEVER heard that Pisceans are known to be pathological liars. As a Pisces myself, I kinda take offense to that - especially considering I never lie (it's a waste of time and energy, and why should I be embarrassed or whatever to tell the truth? If people have a problem with what I think or have done, that's their problem, you know?) and have gone outta my way to be honest with others, no matter the outcome. So it's pretty well an unfair statement. (It's like saying it's known that all Scorpions are sex-obsessed or all Virgos are known to be uncomfortable with sex, both of which aren't true in every case.)

I didnt say all pisces, ive had alot of piscinian friends and find most of them be to kind and compassionate people. But yes, one of piscies negative aspects is that they can be pathological liars. Astrology has a trap that can lead people to think that all one sign is this or that, but as ive discovered this is definatly not the case

[Humble Janitor]

Here we go again.

Such topics do nothing but serve to distract people by getting us to argue about semantics and other nonsense.

[12DnAHelix]

You might want to look at his website before 2000:

http://web.archive.org/web/*/ascension2000.com

He is definitely a 2012 bandwagon jumper. It's good to see that someone posted the link to his old Ascension2000 website.

Personally, I think names say a lot:

Wilcock = Dick around

There are those of us in his same age range who have been repping 2012 since 1995/1996 and who have had very direct experiences with so called 'ET' intelligence.

I don't think he is any more special than you, or myself; and he certainly needs to gain a few more clues - as we each do.

Regards

[Atropos Fallen]

Why label? Who cares? I read and listen to David's material because it is fascinating and holds my interest. His research is extensive, his conclusions thought provoking. His personality may not suit everyone's taste, and his claims can be accepted or not. His website has interesting information, and the forum is full of loving people. I've just got back to PA and find the same old tired name calling and mud slinging. What's up with you guys? Haven't you got more interesting things to talk about than what you think of so and so?

Well said...so :tongue2: to all you "mud" slingers

[SteveX]

David wilcock doesn't know any more than the rest of us, who told him he was a prophet? People have projected onto him what they want him to be and his ego has run away with it. Be your own guru...

I think the above quote is spot on.

When David links one theory to another in an "as if by magic" style I'm left wondering why there was no pink Toto and pirouette.

DNA changes in 2012...yer right. Gone cooked his goose with that one.

But the above is bye the bye as he does raise a few thoughts. You can either accept or reject or research deeper on a topic he raises. It's the lost souls (gullible) that concerns me. Then again that's part and parcel of natural selections :naughty: