The Good, The Bad & The Banned

[TRANCOSO]

I have few 'Friends' on PA. :badmood: :furious: :tears: No, not really. I've got more than enough 'flesh & blood' friends.
Anyway, 2 of my Avalon friends (2 out of 6, mind you...) were banned. One of them was (is) P4BLO, someone I thought was a very funny, open minded - & quite active - member.
And then one day he did something wrong & he got banned.
Untill this very moment I wonder what it is he did that got him banned.

So, dear moderators, perhaps it is a good idea to start a BANNED LIST thread, where you put the Avatars of banned members & the reason why they were banned.

Make it an 'Archived Thread', in which way any direct communication (reply) with the moderators, on this topic, is impossible.

Because I do want to state here that the decision to ban a member should not be an issue to be endlessly discussed, but respected, as long as it is done in comform with the rules.

[Karen]

When there are more moderators around to discuss this issue ... we will discuss it.

I guess removing the stuff from the forum that got the people banned doesn't give the members much of a clue about why the banning took place.

[morguana]

So how about transparency?
Would that work or would people prefere the
'offending posts' be removed?
Hummmm would it help or hinder?

M x

[orthodoxymoron]

Could one month suspensions be a viable alternative to banning in 90% of the cases? This might give everyone a chance to settle down and think things through. Perhaps a 'three suspensions and you're out' policy might be something to consider. This site contains a lot of difficult and upsetting subject matter...which must be properly discussed...but which can bring out the worst in people, at times.

:original:Namaste:original:

[Stargazer1965]

I have few 'Friends' on PA. :badmood: :furious: :tears: No, not really. I've got more than enough 'flesh & blood' friends.
Anyway, 2 of my Avalon friends (2 out of 6, mind you...) were banned. One of them was (is) P4BLO, someone I thought was a very funny, open minded - & quite active - member.
And then one day he did something wrong & he got banned.
Untill this very moment I wonder what it is he did that got him banned.

So, dear moderators, perhaps it is a good idea to start a BANNED LIST thread, where you put the Avatars of banned members & the reason why they were banned.

Make it an 'Archived Thread', in which way any direct communication (reply) with the moderators, on this topic, is impossible.

Because I do want to state here that the decision to ban a member should not be an issue to be endlessly discussed, but respected, as long as it is done in comform with the rules.
I can fill some of the story in Tran...

Pablo ended up posting offensive pics of what eventually ended in women fondling themselves.

Before that he was a accused of witchcraft by a few other members which seemed to drive him to even "edgy" antics.

I had thread going about how there should be limits and used some of the stuff he posted as an example.

Which in retrospect...I threw even more wood on the fire.

He then went back and put the :tongue2: on every post of his.

Not quite sure what actually got him banned but I believe these are the events leading up to it.

I hope this helped...SG

[TRANCOSO]

Could one month suspensions be a viable alternative to banning in 90% of the cases? This might give everyone a chance to settle down and think things through. Perhaps a 'three suspensions and you're out' policy might be something to consider. This site contains a lot of difficult and upsetting subject matter...which must be properly discussed...but which can bring out the worst in people, at times.
I received a '3 points' Infraction quite recently - expired 01-01-'10 - for 'Insulting Other Member(s)' in the thread 'SNOW CIRCLES ...'.
Indeed I was rather rude, & although I had a good reason, it was against the rules.
The moderator - No, no name - who imposed the infraction on me, took into consideration that I did make a point but not in a legitimate fashion, & therefore kept my 'punishment' symbolic.
So I gather that you really have to be way, way, way out of line to get totally banned.

And again, there should be no discussion over a descision made by the moderators, on the Forum itself.

[Karen]

I can fill some of the story in Tran...
Pablo ended up posting offensive pics of what eventually ended in women fondling themselves.
Before that he was a accused of witchcraft by a few other members which seemed to drive him to even "edgy" antics.
I had thread going about how there should be limits and used some of the stuff he posted as an example.
Which in retrospect...I threw even more wood on the fire.
He then went back and put the :tongue2: on every post of his.Not quite sure what actually got him banned but I believe these are the events leading up to it.
I hope this helped...SG

That's about 1/3 of the story. Right before the ban there were two :tongue2: posts aimed at moderator actions asking people to be careful about the drug talk.

[UncleJohn]

And again, there should be no discussion over a descision made by the moderators, on the Forum itself.

Moderator discussions are almost without bounds.

We have to attempt to figure out other posters intentions. Good luck with this.

We use bad words because we can. Its in private.

People want to be moderators for the same reason that people want to be police. They want to push other people around.

And finally, moderators love to stick up for other moderators.

If you are not a moderator, perhaps you are not living right?

I hope this post doesn't get me thrown off the moderator group. It was only done in good fun. Moderators have no self control. LOL.

[Anchor]

Because I do want to state here that the decision to ban a member should not be an issue to be endlessly discussed, but respected, as long as it is done in comform with the rules.

Here is where it gets thorny, and the nub of the issue. There are no "rules". The forum guidelines are broadly or narrowly interpreted - often it depends on context and recent history.

There are no "rules" for banning, just conventions amongst the mdoerators. Similarly there are no "rules" for lifting bans - but it does happen because we are careful about bans.

The moderators are volunteers and should not have to justify endlessly the actions they take in public - though they are often asked to do that amongst the moderator team as a way of keeping eachother in some broad consensus.

You may not like that, not everyone does, but that is the way this forum is run, has been run - and there are no plans that I know about to change it.

A..

[TRANCOSO]

Quote:
Because I do want to state here that the decision to ban a member should not be an issue to be endlessly discussed, but respected, as long as it is done in comform with the rules.

I knew I should have put rules in brackets. :wall:

[Karen]

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[Stargazer1965]

Here is where it gets thorny, and the nub of the issue. There are no "rules". T
The moderators are volunteers and should not have to justify endlessly the actions they take in public - though they are often asked to do that amongst the moderator team as a way of keeping each other in some broad consensus.

A..

Sorry Anchor...Did you just say MOds did not have to justify themselves for banning folks??

[mkspllmn]

I would advocate posting the banned members and the offending posts.

For one thing it would show transparency which is a good thing.

For another it would reduce confusion.

Also it would serve as further deterrent to future disruptors.

I find the entire subject most fascinating. This kind of social interaction of antagonists in society. Banning people is kind of like putting them in jail (remove them from society so that others can enjoy tranquility). It is a topic that has permeated society from antiquity. I think it has a solution, however. Maybe I will start a thread about it now that Karen has shown me how.

Thanks Karen!

[Stargazer1965]

I would advocate posting the banned members and the offending posts.

For one thing it would show transparency which is a good thing.

For another it would reduce confusion.

Also it would serve as further deterrent to future disruptors.

I find the entire subject most fascinating. This kind of social interaction of antagonists in society. Banning people is kind of like putting them in jail (remove them from society so that others can enjoy tranquility). It is a topic that has permeated society from antiquity. I think it has a solution, however. Maybe I will start a thread about it now that Karen has shown me how.

Thanks Karen!
Yeah...why don't we hang their Avatars on a cross when you first log in as a warning to all......

[UncleJohn]

Yeah...why don't we hang their Avatars on a cross when you first log in as a warning to all......

This joke makes me laugh.

Excellent.

"Only love can fill"

[TheObserver]

This is off this thread's subject matter (or is it?) but what happened to the Avalon Lounge thread?

[Ammit]

umm, Not gonna say what I think as this may get me banned too, but come on folks, Lighten up for gods sake.....

[joe2288]

Here is where it gets thorny, and the nub of the issue. There are no "rules". The forum guidelines are broadly or narrowly interpreted - often it depends on context and recent history.

There are no "rules" for banning, just conventions amongst the mdoerators. Similarly there are no "rules" for lifting bans - but it does happen because we are careful about bans.

The moderators are volunteers and should not have to justify endlessly the actions they take in public - though they are often asked to do that amongst the moderator team as a way of keeping eachother in some broad consensus.

You may not like that, not everyone does, but that is the way this forum is run, has been run - and there are no plans that I know about to change it.

A..

agreed.

[mkspllmn]

Yeah...why don't we hang their Avatars on a cross when you first log in as a warning to all......

Very funny!.........

Still laughing.

[mkspllmn]

umm, Not gonna say what I think as this may get me banned too, but come on folks, Lighten up for gods sake.....

I think that is one thing that the moderators don't want is for the people to feel as if they are being controlled by fear.

[Ammit]

I dont fear getting banned, more a full stop of being able to chat to those I actually hold dear to me now. Dont ever missguide fear for friendship.

[Harry_CDN]

Hello,

I'm new here. Based on everything read, what about moving the poster and comments to a special catagory called the "war zone". There is where things can be discussed in the open.

:sweatdrop:

[mkspllmn]

Hello,

I'm new here. Based on everything read, what about moving the poster and comments to a special catagory called the "war zone". There is where things can be discussed in the open.

:sweatdrop:

Welcome Harry!

Sure.......this is where we put all the dirty people representing the dark side of humanity.:sneaky2:

[Harry_CDN]

Welcome Harry!

Sure.......this is where we put all the dirty people representing the dark side of humanity.:sneaky2:

:hammer: and then let them go for it.

[Magamud]

I think in some sense what we should all know, is very simple. Lets just say understanding is a "singularity" of simplicity. When we communicate, it can Transmute this frequency into another composition all together. In most arguments i see the frame of view of mind believes finding or controlling a detail will synthesize an equation. In most cases this is very far from the truth, it will not result in the emotional visceral "knowing" it will cause the mind to continue to split, divide and try to conquer much like our physicist of today trying to get to the smallest particle. If the mind gets caught in this finding it will create division/drama to generate enough energy to seem like "knowing". In fact it is causing radiation to expel any natural nature to come through.......

[mkspllmn]

I think in some sense what we should all know, is very simple. Lets just say understanding is a "singularity" of simplicity. When we communicate, it can Transmute this frequency into another composition all together. In most arguments i see the frame of view of mind believes finding or controlling a detail will synthesize an equation. In most cases this is very far from the truth, it will not result in the emotional visceral "knowing" it will cause the mind to continue to split, divide and try to conquer much like our physicist of today trying to get to the smallest particle. If the mind gets caught in this finding it will create division/drama to generate enough energy to seem like "knowing". In fact it is causing radiation to expel any natural nature to come through.......

I think I know what you mean.

We want to be right so badly that any opposing view will cause us to go into defend mode.

Hence a fight ensues.

Am I close?

[mntruthseeker]

Yeah...why don't we hang their Avatars on a cross when you first log in as a warning to all......


:naughty::naughty:

I can't stop laughing over this remark. I just can't believe you said that.

A cross, OMG that is good, you have quite the comeback

[TheObserver]

Yeah...why don't we hang their Avatars on a cross when you first log in as a warning to all......

The martyr page could have "always look on the bright side of life" playing in the background as well.

PS where's the LOUNGE!!!!!!!!!!

[TRANCOSO]

PS where's the LOUNGE!!!!!!!!!!
Lounging?! :sleep_1:

[UncleJohn]

The lounge is where you go to relax.

It's a mental type of thing.

There are many different types of lounges to fit many different types of personalities.

[TRANCOSO]

Lounging is soooooooooooo '09-ties!
It should be forbidden & banned!

[TheObserver]

I'm sorry, thought the 'avalon lounge' thread was taken down while in reality i'm not seeing the subscriber section of the forum for technical reasons.

[orthodoxymoron]

The martyr page could have "always look on the bright side of life" playing in the background as well.

PS where's the LOUNGE!!!!!!!!!!

That's funny!!! Here's the clip! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlBiLNN1NhQ And we could have this Chuck Conners clip from 'Branded' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXlUS5-ag_g What do you do when you're banned...and you know you're a man?!

:original:Namaste:original:

[Anchor]

Sorry Anchor...Did you just say MOds did not have to justify themselves for banning folks??

I said what I wrote. I said they should not have to justify (and since you seem to ask, I suppose they don't have to either).

I don't really see this as a problem. But then I don't try to make out Avalon as some kind of utopian model of freedom of expression either. Project Avalon and Project Camelot each have a purpose. Its a place to talk about ideas with two broad foci.

My personal interest is in Project Avalon because its purpose is aligned with my own goals - the flowering of consciousness and the ascension of those who wish to ascend along with the planet. I have a particular interest in the readiness angle - because it is assumed by some, including myself, that this process will be "fetched with some inconvenience"[1].

A..


[1] http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?session_id=6&ss=1#16

[morguana]

I liked p4blo too and was sorry that his continued pushing of bounderies led to his ban. But since then there have been several new members banned and from what I can see the process of asking them to edit there own posts, warnings etc was upheld. If someone chooses to continue to break the rules then the outcome is also that persons choice.
This last month has been a mad one for us on Avalon, we are doing our best to moderate as fairly as poss, not always easy when there are so many new names to get to know.
M x

[Carol]

Lots of folks have off days and off moments which they later regret. There are lessons to be learned when this happens and consequences to be paid. However permanent bans are harsh. If a member who was banned for the first offense is forgiven, and upon return the behavior that led to the ban is repeated, it is understandable that the second ban should remain ~ because continued infractions represent a pattern of dysfunctional behavior not yet understood by the person acting out. It is only fitting that the second consequence be a permanent ban.

The issue is this... some people enjoy acting out and get their kicks out of creating strife. If they aren't stirring things up they're not having fun. This is not that type of forum. Avalon is for those who are seeking to take responsibility for theirs and others lives and how to survive earth changes. This is what the ground crew is about. Seeking knowledge and building communities to hang in there as long as we can. If others want to fart around they can do it elsewhere.

[eaglespirit]

Avalon is for those who are seeking to take responsibility for theirs and others lives and how to survive earth changes. This is what the ground crew is about. Seeking knowledge and building communities to hang in there as long as we can. If others want to fart around they can do it elsewhere.

And So It IS!!! Ascension 2010!

Kinda like the BIG picture from the 'bottom up' !

WE are energizing a selfless entrainment around Mother Earth as never before...lessons will need to be learned at an increasingly rapid pace...and the doers of non-ethical deeds(if they keep it up) are going to be extricated elsewhere by their very own actions mirrored instantaneously 'right back at them' very, very soon....as in NOW!

[TRANCOSO]

I said what I wrote. I said they should not have to justify (and since you seem to ask, I suppose they don't have to either).

I don't really see this as a problem. But then I don't try to make out Avalon as some kind of utopian model of freedom of expression either. Project Avalon and Project Camelot each have a purpose. Its a place to talk about ideas with two broad foci.

My personal interest is in Project Avalon because its purpose is aligned with my own goals - the flowering of consciousness and the ascension of those who wish to ascend along with the planet. I have a particular interest in the readiness angle - because it is assumed by some, including myself, that this process will be "fetched with some inconvenience"[1].

A..

Justification is not the issue here.
It's about transparancy & the ability to see who is why banned from the forum, & for how long.

[joe2288]

Great just what we need, people like WS and all his cronies coming back. If you

can't follow the rules then you can't post here. It's that simple. End of the

argument.

[Malletzky]

I think I know what you mean.

We want to be right so badly that any opposing view will cause us to go into defend mode.

Hence a fight ensues.

Am I close?


I would say, you're pretty close. The only thing to do when we feel we've been opposed is to stepp back...turn the pc off...come back after few hours and read the whole thread again.

This requires that we should be ballanced, nonjudgemntal, free of any inner struggles to feel right even when we're not.


But who's perfect???

with regards
malletzky

[TRANCOSO]

Great just what we need, people like WS and all his cronies coming back. If you can't follow the rules then you can't post here. It's that simple. End of the argument.
A clear & ferm statement, Joe2288. Unfortunately it hasn't got anything to do with the topic of this thread, but thanx anyway.

[TruthWillSetUFree]

Everyone has given such wonderful feedback on this issue already but there is one aspect I would like to add.

I believe the high level of energy/frequency of the Avalon forum is such that people of a lower vibration will not feel comfortable being here very long.

I feel this past year we have really come into our own as a recognizable group of individuals who help maintain this high standard, it has become our modus operandi in who we say we are.

I also feel we will continue attracting like-minds and high vibration as we grow and evolve with the planet

Happy New Year to all!

Truth

[joe2288]

Everyone has given such wonderful feedback on this issue already but there is one aspect I would like to add.

I believe the high level of energy/frequency of the Avalon forum is such that people of a lower vibration will not feel comfortable being here very long.

I feel this past year we have really come into our own as a recognizable group of individuals who help maintain this high standard, it has become our modus operandi in who we say we are.

I also feel we will continue attracting like-minds and high vibration as we grow and evolve with the planet

Happy New Year to all!

Truth

Thats a great observation. I have noticed the same thing, just never

expressed it in words. I think there are some amazing minds that contribute

here on a regular basis, and i have also noticed this sites changed

vibrationally, since I arrived in October 2008.

[Malletzky]

Everyone has given such wonderful feedback on this issue already but there is one aspect I would like to add.

I believe the high level of energy/frequency of the Avalon forum is such that people of a lower vibration will not feel comfortable being here very long.

I feel this past year we have really come into our own as a recognizable group of individuals who help maintain this high standard, it has become our modus operandi in who we say we are.

I also feel we will continue attracting like-minds and high vibration as we grow and evolve with the planet

Happy New Year to all!

Truth

FINALY...thanks for bringing this issue up here.

I tried to "tell" this to some of the banned members here...that this forum has it's own, natural rules...which is exactly the high level of energy/frequency of many members posting here.

But hey, who wants to listen, he will hear. Who wants to feel, he will expirience...simple as that.

regards
malletzky

[Stargazer1965]

Please read into the Monty P bullhorn:

The Place: The biweekly Wembley Bird Watchers Club meeting

The scene: Paul and Ruppert enter the auditorium and take a seat on both sides of an empty chair with a small folded piece of cardboard on the seat

Paul: “Where do you suppose Bob is??” (both peer at the empty chair between them)

Ruppert: “Not sure...He is notoriously on time.”

Paul:Wait....what's that little plaque on his seat??

Ruppert picks it up ...”It says "BANNED"

Paul: “Banned??? But Bob was our expert on the reverse billed Yellow footed Woodpecker!!???”

Paul: Ruppert did you know anything about this?

Ruppert: “No...but you know Bob had some radical views of the mating habits of the Shovel Billed Tutu.”

Enter Bob with a name tag that reads "Wendel"

Paul: “Bob ...Great to see you mate...Says here you were Banned”

Bob: Umm..I'm not Bob....I'm Wendel

Ruppert: Mate...”We know you are Bob.”


Club Director Enters

Dir: “Right....I'd like to call this meeting...Oh here..I see we have a new member...Welcome Wendel!!”

Dir: “Now onto the business of our continuing documentation of the reverse billed Yellow footed Woodpecker”

Dir: “Who has the meeting notes from the last meeting??”

Ruppert raises hand and looks at “Wendel\Bob”…”Sir… Bob has those notes.”

Dir: “Well lads…Bob has been banned but that shall not be talked about in the open.”

“Let’s just say we won’t be seeing him around for a while.”

Both Ruppert and Paul BOTH look at Wendel\Bob

Paul and Ruppert together: “But Bob knew everything we need for this meeting…Can’t we ask him back?”

Dir: “We shall not talk about this in the open and his name shall be stricken from the Wembley Club field watchers guide…I shall no longer speak of that which shall not be spoken of.”

Right…Meeting adjourned!!

[Karen]

Yeah...why don't we hang their Avatars on a cross when you first log in as a warning to all......

As hilarious as that looks and sounds (with music playing in the background) that is pretty much the picture I get when thinking about making the list and reasons for being banned a public spectacle.

As I look over the banned log and I reflect on other posts about the increasing freqency of the group of people here at Avalon I must ...

Put On Moderator Hat

And say I nix this idea of a public list.

Please just rest assured that the moderators are making balanced and fair decisions. For every action we take, we ask for a vote from the other moderators that are present or pop online in the next few hours. I know the not knowing why is an irritant ...

Our society puts up Walls of Honor to publicly honor those deeds we deem honorable. Do we also put up Walls of Shame in public places? (I suppose we might have a few) When you get fired from a job, does the boss put up a sign outlining your transgressions? I recently pulled an animal card from the deck - Lynx - the keeper of the secrets. Can there actually be good reasons to keep secrets, such as to minimize public humiliation?

I understand this movement towards transparency ... and the call for an end of keeping secrets ... but like a alternative cancer doctor friend of mine says about all alternative treatments - all treatments cut both ways. You can do a therapy that will kill the primary tumor - but cause the metastasis to go wild.

So don't forget to look at the other side of that transparency knife.

[tone3jaguar]

The banning is completely necessary and should continue as is. In the past on these forums there where not penalties for threatening other members. There are actually still two members on here that threatened me in the past openly on the forums. Because at the time the moderators hands where tied, these two members are still active on here. They now pretend to be nice, but I know a wolf in sheep's clothing when I see them.

If you have a giant room full of adults and children and the children are acting up, then someone has to do something about it. Some of these posts that get people banned are offensive and lower the over all frequency of the forum. For this reason they should stay gone forever.

Good job mods on keeping the order this time around. Those of you who where not around the last time the forum was not subscription have no idea how bad it got. There where entire groups of people in the spirituality forums posting up pro-luciferian propaganda and intimidating everyone. The mods can not wait for the snow ball to build into an avalanche, they are doing just fine. We need to stop coming up with suggestions that increase the work load on the already thin mod staff.

[TRANCOSO]

Our society puts up Walls of Honor to publicly honor those deeds we deem honorable. Do we also put up Walls of Shame in public places? (I suppose we might have a few) When you get fired from a job, does the boss put up a sign outlining your transgressions? I recently pulled an animal card from the deck - Lynx - the keeper of the secrets. Can there actually be good reasons to keep secrets, such as to minimize public humiliation?
That's a good point Karen. Although, on the other side, as long as somebody's personalia is hidden behind an Avatar, the person(s) in question is/are anonimous anyway.
Please just rest assured that the moderators are making balanced and fair decisions. For every action we take, we ask for a vote from the other moderators that are present or pop online in the next few hours. I know the not knowing why is an irritant ...
There's no doubt - at least, not by me - that the moderator's decision ain't fair & balanced.
It's the not knowing why.
That - & only that - was the reason to start this thread in the first place.

[Harry_CDN]

That's a good point Karen. Although, on the other side, as long as somebody's personalia is hidden behind an Avatar, the person(s) in question is/are anonimous anyway.

There's no doubt - at least, not by me - that the moderator's decision ain't fair & balanced.
It's the not knowing why.
That - & only that - was the reason to start this thread in the first place.

After reading Trancoso's last reply, I believe his point is valid. Therefore I suggest if a post is flagged for violating one of the forum rules then the following should happen:

1. A mod should step in and edit the post by stating it violates a forum rule and state which one.


2. Then add ,if this is not retracted in 6 hours , your account will be banned for 24hrs


3. Finally notify the affected account owner by e-mail of your action.

[NeedForSpeed]

I started visiting this site again ever since I saw on the "Project Camelot" website that it was free again, and as expected it still is just like I remembered it.

The moderators of this site are notorious for censoring what they personally dislike in order to further whatever agenda. Think of "Project Avalan" as their personal playground where if you don't do exactly as they say, you will get banned.

Now let's give names, I am referring especifically to Anchor and Humble Janitor (?). Not sure if this is by design or not, but this is the reality.

I used to be a user from back from the beginning of this forum, not participating much, only reading. After some time, before it became paid, I started posting because of the quantity of non-sense I started reading here. The non-sense included:

- David Wilcock claiming that he saw "orbs of light" around Obama and he was "the one" (David Wilcock is hilarious, haha);
- Lots mystical people claiming that Obama had a divine mission, was an "inidigo child", a savior, etc;
- Some claimed that Obama was the reincarnation of Lincoln;

This is just a few of aburds we used to read on this forum in a daily basis. As usual other users and I got irritated with the "Obama worshipping" and irrationality and started posting on those threads questioning the people saying those things.

The result is some got banned.

This is how it works, say something against the NWO and get banned. You can check the exact threads by doing a search by user. Search for the user "anticomuna" and you will see what I am referring to.

Some people may have good intentions, but this forum is in the best of the cases a ghetto for mystical quacks with a socialist inclination, or in the worst case completely controlled by NWO agents.

While you are at it, also do a search for "Worms of Darkness" and see a perfect example of another case of someone posting non-sense, but a non-sense the moderators agreed with. The user who used the "term" Worms of Darknes would attack personally everyone who disagreed with him. A behavior that is really negative.

[UncleJohn]

The moderators of this site are notorious for censoring what they personally dislike in order to further whatever agenda. Think of "Project Avalan" as their personal playground where if you don't do exactly as they say, you will get banned.

Now let's give names, I am referring especifically to Anchor and Humble Janitor (?). Not sure if this is by design or not, but this is the reality.

Hi NeedForSpeed. I'm a new moderator here so I can't say about the past. Over the last month I have observed the moderators here and in particular, anchor act with reserve and kindness. On many forums, one complaint against the mods and you are banned forever. Clearly not here. If I saw the moderators acting here as you presented, I would not be a moderator for long.

So hopefully, the past is behind us.

[Harry_CDN]

Wow NWO Wild
hmm I'm very sorry but I find that hard to believe. I find NWO people are
"well-dressed globalists" and have lots of money.

[morguana]

need for speed, anchor has done a super job of moderating, he has continued to be fair and without personal judgment, most of us here only have the highest regard for him
blessings to you
m x

[Anchor]

NeedForSpeed:

There are only a small number of people who were disruptive enough to get banned so far - approximately less than 0.6% of the registered user base - 6 in 1000 over two years. It is also worth pointing out that there are many anti-obama and pro-obama posts/threads. The people making these comments within the context of the forum guidelines are not being banned.

If what you say was true, there would be many more banned people.

I accept/admit and do not deny that I have pro-obama views, but these days I choose not to express them in debate on this forum. We moderators do have an agenda - it is to try to keep this forum operating in accordance with the agreed forum guidelines.

If you see anticomuna - and from what I see that is quite within the bounds of possibility - please tell him I am sorry that it went down that way - but it was not about the views being expressed, it was about the continuous disruption to the forum.

A..

[Neo]

I just hope this forum doesnt end up like some I've been on for example.....

I was once a member on the paracast forum and got into an interesting debate about billy meier, basically the moderators of that forum were slagging off about Meier and I put forth some info that kinda shot down their argument. I did it the nicest manor and really wasnt there to argue as such.
Even though there was no fire or brimstone from anyone, I was banned purely because the info put forward shot down their debate.

I dont see the same thing here and hopefully it stays that way :)

[Karen]

I just hope this forum doesnt end up like some I've been on for example.....

I was once a member on the paracast forum and got into an interesting debate about billy meier, basically the moderators of that forum were slagging off about Meier and I put forth some info that kinda shot down their argument. I did it the nicest manor and really wasnt there to argue as such.
Even though there was no fire or brimstone from anyone, I was banned purely because the info put forward shot down their debate.

I dont see the same thing here and hopefully it stays that way :)

Just treat others with respect and you can express just about any opinion you want to here. Don't use name-calling and other personal attacks. If you haven't read the forum guidelines, check out the link below. We are not out to ban people who don't agree with us. We are all just volunteers, living in various places around the world. If all the moderators were asked 10 questions about their beliefs, I doubt you would see 2 of the 14 answer them all the same way.

[Stargazer1965]

Need for Speed....When you came here before or when you came back....Did you bring some truth to share or an ax to grind?

The truth...we would love to hear

The ax.....you can leave that on the porch

I have to say Anchor and I have not seen eye to eye on more than a few topics....but no one fairer you will find.

SG

[Céline]

i believe there is a major issue here that has yet to be brought .

Lack of Trust

Authority is an important part of the balance of life

Personal authority is easier to follow the an authority imposed by society.

Of course there is plenty wrong about the established authority that exists right now , in our shared world...much room for improvement....

But

We need Authority..on this forum... and a very important element that must exist for authority to work well..is...

Trust

When you are discussing peoples beliefs as well as sharing "truths"..you are going to find MANY who have a hard time trusting...

i would put money on the fact that each and everyone banned (other then spammers of course) have an issue with Trust ...and trusting the moderators is probably a very hard thing to do.

[NeedForSpeed]

If what you say was true, there would be many more banned people.

That wasn't an opinion, it was a fact. All everybody here needs to do is to click on the search option on the top of the forum and search in order to see the moderators in action.

Disruption = say something that I disagree with

Well, claiming that Obama has orbs of light around him, like David Wilcock did, or that he is enlightened and has a divine mission is ok, but questioning those things is not. :roll1:

[Céline]

Again...this is a lack of trust issue...IMO

i can see where you are coming from...

but i also understand the Moderators point of view.

[Kulapops]

Anyway, 2 of my Avalon friends (2 out of 6, mind you...) were banned.

lol... I know how you feel. Back along I also had 2 out of my 6 friends banned... One was Izz... remember her anyone? Can't remember the other ! oops. But I remember thinking... I don't have a very good strike rate do I ?

I think she was unfairly goaded by other members and she reacted strongly. Some people are fiercely independent. Some of the bannings I've witnessed do seem to involve line crossing. (they must all involve one forum transgression or another) It is sad to see them go.. I didn't know Francie Jones particularly well, nor do I understand the circumstances of her leaving, nor do I want to dig that up. But it is shocking when people you feel an affinity for seem to fall foul of the rules.

In the end, the moderators are volunteers, and I'm pretty confident that the one's we have do an amazing and thankless almost unwinnable task.

So , though we are left to wonder at people's passing, perhaps its up to us, seeing as this forum was set up to foster communities, to get the details of the one's we love, then we can always contact them after.

K

[TRANCOSO]

This quote is from the thread:Why is Kinsuemei2 banned?
I've been reading his posts and see nothing that would justify this action. He has a right to his opinion and sharing his story is what folks do here.
This would fuel the need for a 'Banned' sector, where one can see who are why banned.

[Céline]

Thread: Why is Kinsuemei2 banned?

This would fuel the need for a 'Banned' sector, where one can see who are why banned.

Great Idea..

[Carol]

I only saw Anchor and Gareth on when this happened and no mods.

It is my understanding when I was moderator that when a member is banned this is to be a collective decision. Karen came on my thread about Kinsuemei2 Banned and appeared to have no clue as to what happened. So I also have a concern about the possibility of a few becoming overly controlling. I also didn't agree with Franciejones being banned either. All she did was share an unsolicited email from Bill on the forum and that is no reason to ban either as Bill never got an agreement from her ahead of sending his email not to share it.

[TRANCOSO]

This quote is from the thread:Why is Kinsuemei2 banned?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carol View Post
I've been reading his posts and see nothing that would justify this action. He has a right to his opinion and sharing his story is what folks do here.
This would fuel the need for a 'Banned' sector, where one can see who are why banned.
What I understand from other posts in that thread, some moderators weren't even informed the guy was gonna be banned!

[Anchor]

Kinsuemei2 was banned at the express request of Bill Ryan. I don't know any more than that at this time.

Carol is correct, this is not how things are done usually. I will follow this up.

A..

[TRANCOSO]

I only saw Anchor and Gareth on when this happened and no mods.

It is my understanding when I was moderator that when a member is banned this is to be a collective decision. Karen came on my thread about Kinsuemei2 Banned and appeared to have no clue as to what happened. So I also have a concern about the possibility of a few becoming overly controlling. I also didn't agree with Franciejones being banned either. All she did was share an unsolicited email from Bill on the forum and that is no reason to ban either as Bill never got an agreement from her ahead of sending his email not to share it.
Just saw your post after I submitted my reply, Carol.
Anyway, it means that someone can be banned because it suits 1 moderator.
:thumbdown:

[Anchor]

You cannot see all the moderators who are online.

I choose to remain visible, not all moderators do.

[mntruthseeker]

I only saw Anchor and Gareth on when this happened and no mods.

It is my understanding when I was moderator that when a member is banned this is to be a collective decision. Karen came on my thread about Kinsuemei2 Banned and appeared to have no clue as to what happened. So I also have a concern about the possibility of a few becoming overly controlling. I also didn't agree with Franciejones being banned either. All she did was share an unsolicited email from Bill on the forum and that is no reason to ban either as Bill never got an agreement from her ahead of sending his email not to share it.

OMG FrancieJones was banned too..............This is crazy

She was a strong headed person that had some very good views even if we always didnt agree. So we really do have someone playing God on this forum and it is rather SAD

Freedom is not about shutting someone down that disagrees with your views.

[Carol]

Folks need to understand that both Kerry and Bill can ban any member and the Admins will follow through on this. There is no discussion or consensus.

Anchor, I truly appreciate your identifying what happened. I know David Wilcox is a friend of B&K but would not think Bill would want Kinsuemei2 banned because of his opinion regarding DW. However, Bill really does not like bad language on the forum. Could this be the reason for his decision?

And is this just a time out or permanent?

[TRANCOSO]

This would fuel the need for a 'Banned' sector, where one can see who are why banned.
A 'Banned Section' would also have an 'example function'.

[Bill Ryan]

Hi, Everyone:

Sorry to have to do this. It was my call, and I take full responsibility.

Kinsuemei2 was also masquerading as "Heather Anderson" who was a non-existent person. Kinsuemei and "Heather" had both e-mailed Camelot with literally near-unbelievable stories written in a very similar style. There were all kinds of problems with the information.

Four days ago, Eleni was contacted by Kinsuemei stating that "Heather" had been killed in a traffic accident. All my red flags went up and I did an IP cross-check on the e-mails we had received at Camelot.

I should have done this earlier. It's a wrap, I'm afraid. The IP address on separate e-mails from Kinsuemei and from Heather was identical: 67.132.69.188.

[Image removed re: Bill Ryan request]

We found just now that it was also shared on the forum by Kinsuemei2, HeatherJJAnderson, Kane944, and KilaSolai.

I appreciated many of Kinsuemei's posts on the forum. But I have zero sympathy or tolerance for hoaxers. The real super-soldiers wasted time and energy examining "Heather's" story (Kudos to Duncan O'Finioan, btw: he decided right at the start that it was bogus). To post this kind of invention is a real slap in the face to the real-deal folk. I wrote to Kinsuemei that he does not deserve the time of day from any one of these very fine people.

So if anyone knowingly hoaxes information and it comes to my attention, it's a permanent ban. If I decide it's proved beyond any doubt, I'll make the call immediately and will take full responsibility. There's enough wild information circulating which makes the jobs of researchers much harder... having an internal saboteur does not help the world be a better place.

Expect criticism from Kinsuemei, by the way... please ignore it. We have to learn, and move on.

With best wishes to all, Bill

[Karen]

People are jumping to conclusions that are not true. On the other thread, I asked for people to wait for the gathering of more information.

[Anchor]

Folks need to understand that both Kerry and Bill can ban any member and the Admins will follow through on this. There is no discussion or consensus.

Anchor, I truly appreciate your identifying what happened. I know David Wilcox is a friend of B&K but would not think Bill would want Kinsuemei2 banned because of his opinion regarding DW. However, Bill really does not like bad language on the forum. Could this be the reason for his decision?

And is this just a time out or permanent?

I don't know, and I don't want to speculate. I do know that it is being talked about right now but owing to my present circumstance, I can't join in.

I will therefore be patient.

A..


Update: Oh FFS! - :D - it looks like I spoke to soon :)

[Céline]

You cannot see all the moderators who are online.

I choose to remain visible, not all moderators do.

Ok...but if there are NO moderators on..would it be appropriate that mods stay invisible?

[Carol]

Anchor, its easy to jump to conclusions when the info isn't being put out on the forum from the onset. I appreciate Bill's statement as that cleared up the who and why immediately.

It was a fluke that I just happened to be viewing some of Kinsuemei2's posts when he was banned. Now I'm flummoxed as I've no clue as to what he posted is real or not. He certainly came across as authentic in his earlier posts. And I was also under the impression that he is dying from cancer. Do we know if this is true?

[TRANCOSO]

Hi, Everyone:
Sorry to have to make the ban on Kinsuemei2. It was my call, and I take full responsibility.

Kinsuemei2 was also masquerading as "Heather Anderson" who was a non-existent person.
Cool action, Bill! Well done!
It amazes me time & again how mischievously weird some people are.

This is actually the perfect example of a 'banned-section' post.

Anyway, case closed. I'm gonna watch the Super Bowl.

[Anchor]

Anchor, its easy to jump to conclusions when the info isn't being put out on the forum from the onset. I appreciate Bill's statement as that cleared up the who and why immediately.

It was a fluke that I just happened to be viewing some of Kinsuemei2's posts when he was banned. Now I'm flummoxed as I've no clue as to what he posted is real or not. He certainly came across as authentic in his earlier posts. And I was also under the impression that he is dying from cancer. Do we know if this is true?

This isnt going to help, but I dont know anything about kinsuemei2. The only time I ever paid any attention to him/her was when kinsuemei2 volunteered to be a moderator.

I'm sure it doesnt need pointing out that kinsuemei2 ==> "f**king sue me too"

Which is interesting in the light of what has been seen.

A..

[Carol]

We had had a PM exchange going on months back when he shared he didn't think he would live the year out. Now I don't know what to think. Egg did a number on the forum too. I truly wonder who these people are behind their avatars.

[Céline]

We had had a PM exchange going on months back when he shared he didn't think he would live the year out. Now I don't know what to think. Egg did a number on the forum too. I truly wonder who these people are behind their avatars.

Just..people.

[Ross H]

Anchor, its easy to jump to conclusions when the info isn't being put out on the forum from the onset. I appreciate Bill's statement as that cleared up the who and why immediately.

It was a fluke that I just happened to be viewing some of Kinsuemei2's posts when he was banned. Now I'm flummoxed as I've no clue as to what he posted is real or not. He certainly came across as authentic in his earlier posts. And I was also under the impression that he is dying from cancer. Do we know if this is true?

I cannot comment on the cancer issue as I have no information.

When I posted that he was banned I was unable to provide further info at that time. It is easy to jump to conclusions but please have faith in the mod team, as banning is last resort and only done when justified.

Sincerely

Ross H

[Karen]

Ok...but if there are NO moderators on..would it be appropriate that mods stay invisible?

I am the only one that I know of that works in invisible mode. I am trying to cut back from spending 18 hour days here. It has really helped to cut back on the number of PM requests I get for such things as changing subject lines, now that there are more mods here who can help with such things. I will remain in invisible mode for the foreseeable future.

My title/color is changed to Project Avalon Organizer and I only do moderating as a back up.

I gather the posts and mod chats on a member (and also ask for other mods to help with that) that is being discussed and I put them in one thread to help keep us all on the same page about a troublesome member. No ban is taken lightly and if anything we over discuss it.

I watch for members that put up ideas and copy them over to mod central for discussion. I watch for signs of trouble on the forum innards and nag the tech guys until they believe me that there is a problem. The list goes on.

Today I brought up a topic for discussion with the mods/admin that was suggested in this thread and I will report the result of that in my next post.

I think there are advantages to having an "invisible watcher." :naughty:

[Karen]

The idea of a public area announcing banned users and the reason why was suggested in this thread. I put that to a vote in the moderator meeting today. I got 4 votes all saying nay, we do not want this. My reason as presented earlier in this thread is copied below. Others presented other reasons. The suggestion was made - if you really must know why - PM a moderator, we are not going to make a public spectacle of it.

As hilarious as that looks and sounds (with music playing in the background) that is pretty much the picture I get when thinking about making the list and reasons for being banned a public spectacle.

As I look over the banned log and I reflect on other posts about the increasing freqency of the group of people here at Avalon I must ...

Put On Moderator Hat

And say I nix this idea of a public list.

Please just rest assured that the moderators are making balanced and fair decisions. For every action we take, we ask for a vote from the other moderators that are present or pop online in the next few hours. I know the not knowing why is an irritant ...

Our society puts up Walls of Honor to publicly honor those deeds we deem honorable. Do we also put up Walls of Shame in public places? (I suppose we might have a few) When you get fired from a job, does the boss put up a sign outlining your transgressions? I recently pulled an animal card from the deck - Lynx - the keeper of the secrets. Can there actually be good reasons to keep secrets, such as to minimize public humiliation?

I understand this movement towards transparency ... and the call for an end of keeping secrets ... but like a alternative cancer doctor friend of mine says about all alternative treatments - all treatments cut both ways. You can do a therapy that will kill the primary tumor - but cause the metastasis to go wild.

So don't forget to look at the other side of that transparency knife.

[Karen]

[snip] Karen came on my thread about Kinsuemei2 Banned and appeared to have no clue as to what happened. [snip] I also didn't agree with Franciejones being banned either. All she did was share an unsolicited email from Bill on the forum and that is no reason to ban either as Bill never got an agreement from her ahead of sending his email not to share it.

Yes, at that time I had just gotten online and had just read an email from Bill that he wanted Kinsuemei2 banned as he believed he was pretending to be Heather Anderson and a few more details. However that email was sent privately to all the mods and admins. (Others had not read it yet.) It is a very RARE case of utmost importance where I would share a PRIVATE communication (or the information in it) on a PUBLIC forum without permission from the other party. So what I posted was I would try to get more information - meaning seeing if I could find Bill to see exactly what it was he wanted to share on the public forum. I thought he would share all, as he did, but I did not yet have any permission to say anything on the forum.

Funny Francie Jones should be brought up in the next breath - Francie Jones who thinks it is OK to share private emails on public forums. Our guidelines expressly prohibit the sharing of private messages with others without permission and hopefully the new guidelines will expand that to all forms of private communication, such as email and voice conversations.

In the world of Netiquette - having not agreed to not share is NOT the point. :mfr_omg: People actually think it is OK to share private communications in public? :thumbdown:

From
http://www.netmanners.com/email-etiquette/rules-for-forwarding-e-mails/#more-229

Ask Before Forwarding E-mails

February 4, 2010 by Judith

Several times each week I get asked for guidance when it comes to forwarding emails written by others. Should you ask the sender if it is O.K. before forwarding to those they may or may not know an e-mail they sent privately to you? A resounding YES!

Common courtesy alone would dictate you don’t forward without the original sender’s knowledge. They may not appreciate the e-mail they wrote to you being sent to those they don’t know. How would you feel if the roles were reversed?

All e-mails are naturally copyright protected by the author upon their creation. So in order to forward a private e-mail to another person, or to post it anywhere online you need to get the writer’s permission to do so first.

Cc’ing doesn’t negate asking for permission. Private e-mails are sent and written to the party for which they were intended; not to be sent to others without obtaining permission first. Cc’ing simply advises you are letting them know after the fact that you are forwarding their e-mail without any courtesy or concern for their feelings.

I have an article on forwarding on my site that you might find helpful that covers the 5 Rules for Forwarding (http://www.netmanners.com/email-etiquette/5-rules-of-forwarding-email/)

HTH!

Here's a few snippets from some short related articles.

5 Rules for Forwarding (http://www.netmanners.com/email-etiquette/5-rules-of-forwarding-email/)
On an aside, also keep in mind that if you are forwarding a private email that was sent to you, you must get the sender’s permission to forward it on to others (or post it publicly). Emails are copyright protected by their authors. Not only that, common courtesy dictates that you should ask the author first if the email sent for your eyes only can be forwarded to strangers or others for which it was not originally intended.

* E-mail Forwarding Tips and Advice (http://www.netmanners.com/email-etiquette/e-mail-forwarding-tips-and-advice/)Forwarding of Private E-mails. You just don’t do this! It is a breach of trust and reflects your complete lack of character and ethics when you forward private and personal e-mails sent to you alone to others without the Sender’s permission. Shame on you!
* Forwarding Other’s E-mail (http://www.netmanners.com/email-etiquette/forwarding-others-e-mail/)When someone sends you an e-mail, consider it for your eyes only. (And, I have to state this because I will get protests by site visitors if I don’t — this of course does not include threatening or illegal e-mails.) By forwarding private e-mails to others, you are reflecting a lack of character by betraying the trust of the person whose e-mail you are exposing without their permission.
* E-mail Forwarding Reflects on You! (http://www.netmanners.com/email-etiquette/e-mail-forwarding-reflects-on-you/)If you forward one person’s e-mail to another especially in business to play one against the other is simply unprofessional. If you have questions for one contact based on anothers concerns, type a new e-mail and address those concerns. Don’t forward without the other party’s e-mail without their knowledge with a “See what they say?” tone. This just reflects a lack of respect for either potential partner and your extremely low level of professionalism.

If you forward personal e-mails from one friend to another without the original Sender’s permission in an effort to say “Can you believe this?”, you are a not a friend and should be ashamed of yourself.
* Stop the E-mail Forwarding! (http://www.netmanners.com/email-etiquette/stop-the-forwarding/)

[Harry_CDN]

I'm getting the picture that Mods have lots of fires to put out on a daily basis. hmm like soccer refs. yellow card any back talk to the Ref
out comes the Red card
I wonder how the Mods keep there cool?

By the way 'm learning many new things here about running your own board.

Private e-mail = after you read it a message will appear saying this message will delete in 20 secs. Security: your eyes only

[morguana]

I'm getting the picture that Mods have lots of fires to put out on a daily basis. hmm like soccer refs. yellow card any back talk to the Ref
out comes the Red card
I wonder how the Mods keep there cool?

By the way 'm learning many new things here about running your own board.

Private e-mail = after you read it a message will appear saying this message will delete in 20 secs. Security: your eyes only

we have to remember to breath and communicate with each other, all of us need sometimes to take a step away and let others have a think too......its busy busy and can be like a rollercoaster! i like it when its peacefull and we can spend time helping members rather than go battleing.
so be compassionate and careing folk
remember its love that makes the world go around
m x

[Anchor]

I wonder how the Mods keep there cool?

Well there is a moderator chat where we can say ****, **** and **** a lot. Sometimes it helps, other times it doesn't. (I jest).

My recently developed guideline (for myself, but others can follow it too if they want) is that if you see a post that annoys you, this tells you immediately that you are not ready to moderate that post.

You need to resolve the annoyance first, then once that's cleared up you can proceed to moderate with the appropriate calm detachment. This avoids the alternative, which is more often than not a sudden and explosive unleashing your inner Chuck Norris moderator round-house kick to the head.

A..

[Harry_CDN]

Well there is a moderator chat where we can say ****, **** and **** a lot. Sometimes it helps, other times it doesn't. (I jest).

My recently developed guideline (for myself, but others can follow it too if they want) is that if you see a post that annoys you, this tells you immediately that you are not ready to moderate that post.

You need to resolve the annoyance first, then once that's cleared up you can proceed to moderate with the appropriate calm detachment. This avoids the alternative, which is more often than not a sudden and explosive unleashing your inner Chuck Norris moderator round-house kick to the head.

A..

Very interesting. I've dealt with many types of technical e-mails and I'm always wondering if age has anything to do with patience?

By the way I was around when punch cards were used in many places :)

[TRANCOSO]

Why was 'Chamber' banned, if I may ask?

[Anchor]

You can ask, but as is almost always the case we wont answer.

The reasons we dont discuss this stuff have all been stated before. We also do not wish to focus on unpleasantness more than is necessary to do our moderating.

A..

[mntruthseeker]

I'd like to express my two cents here:


But I don't believe I should just be able to make-up any story and just blather all over here in the name of "free expression of ideas". No one here would like it if I did that....and I can assure you I could make my PDF sound VERY convincing! I would expect someone to contact me to ask some follow-up questions. I hope that is what happens here.

It obviously only happens to a few................


I too do not believe anyone should post in here a made up story but if Kerry and Bill truly vetted all the whistleblowers, do you still think they would of put their stories out there ?

Its so sad that this has happen and I will put right here that it was because one mod thought there were too many "typos". For shame. Thats not a good enough reason

My daughter in laws grandmother could tell you stories that would make your hair stand up straight and so could my late husband who was also Native American.

I will not come forward and post on here because I might be asked for "proof" and I have none but what was told to me and its in my mind and heart. The grandmother speaks the truth and she will not come forward. Oh does that means she lies ? NO

I say Shame on anyone that thinks they are authorative enough to judge one mans because of typos or IP address.

Whether he is really sick or not should not be brought up for discussion period

Anchor, you surprised me with the F.....ing sue me 2 remark, its out of character for you.



I have been coming here since it opened and I do think if you do not comply with the mods in what your response is you are not always banned............you are ignorred.....pure and simple

Sidekick has a valid point in his remarks on how it goes down in this forum


Its funny I keep hearing how FrancieJones got banned for putting up a private email recieved from Bill........Why is Lightwarrior still able to post when he indeed put up a PM of kinsuemei2 ? All I seen was it was removed and he is still around (not sure of his name ) I'm not asking that he be banned but I'm saying Rules s/b for all if applied fairly

No one deserves to be treated as they didnt matter. We all matter and should be treated as we would want to be. So banning and ignoring based on assumptions or disagreeing is wrong.

[Karen]

Its so sad that this has happen and I will put right here that it was because one mod thought there were too many "typos". For shame. Thats not a good enough reason

The moderators had nothing to do with this. Bill Ryan made the call, and takes full responsibility for it, as stated in his posts on the issue and based on a whole lot more than "too many 'typos'". The situation is still evolving. Stay tuned. Be patient. This is not going to shake out in the next hour.

[Zenbuoy]

:hammer: and then let them go for it.


Well, that was the idea in this forum (http://www.earthsbanner.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?10-Member-Arbitration)created by someone who was banned here.
He then started taking Prisoners after attacking them personally.

There is a always a history, unlearned, by members of a forum.



Point being: once someone is rude there is a highly probable chance they will be rude again for their service to self agenda.:thumbdown:

It won't change.:wink2:

[TRANCOSO]

Well, that was the idea in this forum (http://www.earthsbanner.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?10-Member-Arbitration)created by someone who was banned here.
He then started taking Prisoners after attacking them personally.

There is a always a history, unlearned, by members of a forum.


Point being: once someone is rude there is a highly probable chance they will be rude again for their service to self agenda.:thumbdown:

It won't change.:wink2:
Why are you using Size 4 & 5 for this 'statement', Zenbuoy? In my experience the louder you get, the less people tend to listen to what you've got to say.
Size matters, but not in this case. :wink2:

[Zenbuoy]

Why are you using Size 4 & 5 for this 'statement', Zenbuoy? In my experience the louder you get, the less people tend to listen to what you've got to say.
Size matters, but not in this case. :wink2:

sorry, what?

[Anchor]

Why are you using Size 4 & 5 for this 'statement', Zenbuoy? In my experience the louder you get, the less people tend to listen to what you've got to say.
Size matters, but not in this case. :wink2:

He isn't any more

A..

[Anchor]

sorry, what?


Please do me and the people who have to read this a favor and stop using the big fonts. Thanks.

A..

[Anchor]

Anchor, you surprised me with the F.....ing sue me 2 remark, its out of character for you.

Sorry.

Part of my comment was factual, the other part perhaps I shouldn't have made.

A..

[TRANCOSO]

He isn't any more

A..

:lmfao::roll1::thumb_yello:

[TRANCOSO]

Does anybody want to help Camelot/Avelon/LW out with some cash? I used to live in this house... my ex wife is selling it for two and a half mil. I'll donate one third of what she cuts loose of to Kerry and Bill's cause (and some to you).
:jawdrop:

What's the catch, R&D?

[THE eXchanger]

NO one helps anyone ~ have decided to 'burn' my 'project' why bother :wall:

[TRANCOSO]

NO one helps anyone ~ have decided to 'burn' my 'project' why bother :wall:
Cheer up, Susan!
It's just the Red Moon Wavespell.
Lot's of emotion, anger & drama.
Sleep it off!
Nothing 'll touch you in your dreams. :wink2:

[Anchor]

:jawdrop:

What's the catch, R&D?

I moved the house advert to networking/products and services - it was completely off topic here.

A..

[Ravens and Doves]

I moved the house advert to networking/products and services - it was completely off topic here.

A..


No problem that it was taken down.

And there was no catch.

Cheers,

Paul

[Anchor]

It was not "taken down" it was moved here: https://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20172

[Zenbuoy]

:lmfao::roll1::thumb_yello:

tacky
tacky
tacky

[TRANCOSO]

tacky
tacky
tacky
:nono:
TICKY-TACKY!!!
:tongue2:

[THE eXchanger]

No problem that it was taken down.

And there was no catch.

Cheers,

Paul

just a hook & a sinker ;)

[TRANCOSO]

just a hook & a sinker ;)
:lmfao:
(NOT tacky!)

[TRANCOSO]

The Good, the Bad, the Banned & the Mist... :wink2:

Still foggy?

:hammer:

[THE eXchanger]

wet - wet
instead of well-well ;)