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Jack

01-22-2010, 02:31 PM

Jack

01-22-2010, 02:36 PM

Write this up, get it stamped by a notary public. Then show it to any peace enforcement officer that attempts to legislate or in any way police you and watch his grin fall to the floor. This is literally, legal immunity. You no longer have to abide by anything other then common law when you have stated your rights as such. And common law equates to "Do unto others.."

Its time to take back our power that we have through willful ignorance given away.

Long post, please excuse, i feel its importance warrents its exception from the posting long text rule.

Notice of Understanding and Intent and Claim of Right:It is my understanding that; all men are created equally under one Creator, and,
We are sharing this existence together under God, and,
We have been given the ability to make decisions for ourselves, and
Statutes have the force of law under mutual consent of the Governed,
The Government of Ireland is a Representative Body and,
Representation can only come from consent, and,
It is my Right not to consent to said representation, and,
To deny me my Right is in Breach of the Law, and those guilty will be fully liable and punishable within Common Law.
The ‘Person’ is known as a Legal Entity, a ‘Straw Man’ a ‘Fictional Entity’ and a ‘Trade Name’. The ‘Person’ requires a flesh and blood Man or Woman to represent ‘It’ in its affairs, furthermore the State/Government (also a fictional/legal entity i.e. Not a flesh and blood man or woman) can only apply Legislation to this ‘Person’ when I agree or consent to represent it as it is a commercial entity/legal fiction with no Rights assigned to it.
Therefore be it now known to any and all concerned and affected parties, that I, of the family, a Freeman-on-the-Land do hereby state clearly specifically and unequivocally my intent to peacefully and lawfully exist free of all statutory obligations restrictions and maintain all rights at law to trade, exchange or barter. Statute Laws are 'acts' within law which only gain the 'force of law' through consent of the governed, I do not consent.
Whereas it is my understanding that equality before the law is paramount and mandatory and, Whereas it is my understanding that a society is defined as a number of people joined by mutual consent to deliberate, determine, and act for a common goal, and,

Whereas it is my understanding that the only form of government recognised as Lawful in the Republic of Ireland is a representative one, and, where it is my understanding that in the absence of mutual consent neither representation nor governance can exist, and,
Whereas it is my understanding that acting peacefully within community standards does not breach the peace, and, Whereas it is my understanding that any action for which one can apply for and receive a license must itself be a fundamentally lawful action, and, Whereas I am not a Child, and, Whereas I am a peaceful human being, and, Whereas I am a Freeman-on-the-Land who operates with full responsibility, I do not see the need to ask permission to engage in Lawful and peaceful activities, especially from those who claim limited liability, and, Whereas it is my understanding that a by-law is defined as a rule of a Corporation, and,
Whereas it is my understanding that Corporations are legal fictions and require contracts in order to claim authority or control over other parties, and, Whereas it is my understanding that legal fictions lack a Soul and cannot exert control over those who are thus blessed to operate with respect to that knowledge as only a fool would allow a soulless fictions to dictate ones actions, and, Whereas it is mu understanding that I have a right to use my property without having to pay for the use or enjoyment of it, and,
Whereas it is my understanding that a summons is merely an invitation to attend and creates no obligation or dishonour if ignored, and, Whereas it is my understanding that peace officers have a duty to distinguish between statute and law and that those who attempt to enforce statutes against a Freeman-on-the-Land are in fact breaking the law, and, whereas I have the power to refuse intercourse or interaction with peace officers who have not observed me breach the peace, and,
Whereas permanent estopple by acquiescence barring any peace officer or prosecutor from bringing charges against a freeman-on-the-Land under any Act is created if this claim is not responded to in the stated fashion and time, and
Furthermore I claim the right to lawfully:
Exercise my “common law right to travel”, unhindered, unencumbered at my discretion in my private conveyance of the day, to wit, my private, unregistered, unlicensed automobile(s)
Exercise my “common law” right to refuse by submission: any application for any government issued license, permit, or seek permission to perform any fundamentally lawful action or, enter into any government contract under duress, threat and/or intimidation which would involve committing an act of fraud and/or theft and or any other crime by way of deception by “I” and/or any involved government principle, employee or agent (In Compliance with my Common Law Rights, the Great Charter of Ireland, also known as the Magna Charta Hiberniae).
Exercise my right to possess unregistered, unlicensed firearms and ammunition and the use of same for target practice at a range or hunting for food and further swear under oath to never open fire on another human being unless it is a last resort to protect human life.
I claim that pursuant to any action by any government, and/or any principal, member, employee, agent, servant, person thereof in Right of Republic of Ireland, a province, county, or any part of this Earth:
I reserve My Right not to be compelled to perform under any contract or commercial agreement that I did not enter knowingly, Voluntarily and Intentionally and I do not accept the liability of the compelled benefit of any contract or commercial agreement not revealed to myself, which are my rights pursuant to Common Law.
Furthermore, I claim the right to engage in these actions and further claim that all property held by me under common law being: any and all intellectual property, real estate, trade tools, private automobile(s) and contents, firearms and ammunition, potted plants: contents at the private posted residence known as (or any other dwelling I choose to dwell at) are held under claim of right.
Furthermore I claim that “all persons” acting as governments, principals, employees, agents, and justice system participants claiming, “retained legal counsel” have, by virtue of their own and/or their principals actions claimed “total incompetence”, in handling any of their own affairs in Law and have become an instant ward of the court, hence they are imprisoned by their own actions in hand or lack thereof.
Furthermore, I claim that due to the self evident facts in truth at hand, that all persons, governments, principals, employees, agents and justice system participants claiming limited liability or immunity are doing so under the pretence of being in fact deemed totally incompetent and under law made instant wards of the State and/or Court and therefore, cannot claim good faith or colour of right over anyone who is thus blessed as a competent heir.
Furthermore, I claim that “Ignorance of the Law” is not a lawful or legal claim when used by the State, government, principals, employees, agents, and justice system participants at any and all levels to my harm or detriment, especially by those claiming limited liability.
Furthermore, I claim that these actions are not outside my communities' standards and will in fact support said community in our desire for truth and maximum freedom.
Furthermore, I claim the right to deal with any counterclaims or disputes publicly and in an open forum using discussion and negotiation and to capture on video (or other media device) said discussion and negotiation for whatever lawful purpose I see fit.
Furthermore, I claim the right to practice my spiritual beliefs, without scrutiny or enquiry lest it be from the level of Law,
I claim the right not to apply for licences, permits or to seek permission to do any actions that are already Lawful,
I claim the right not to pay into any system which I feel does not benefit me,
I claim the right to protect myself and my loved ones against any un-Lawful intrusions, and the Right to use Force under the Law,
I claim the right to use my 'Person' or 'Straw Man' identity only where it benefits me as a flesh and blood human being excluding the benefits of any court, and furthermore,
I claim the right to disassociate my 'flesh and blood' entity from the ‘Straw Man/Person Fiction’ at any time,
I claim the right to grow and cultivate any plant,
I claim the right to be free,
I will only appear in court when there is a man or woman claiming I have infringed upon one of their God given freedoms, and I claim the Right to a jury of my peers,
Furthermore, I claim that the intentional blurring of the lines and the failure to define between that which is legal, and that which is lawful in order to extract capital from the masses by legislating freedom and then putting a price tag on it is a crime on Man, and the failure to define between the Natural man and the State created Fiction is nothing short of fraud, theft, breach of trust and forced slavery, a heinous criminal activity of the most odious form.
I claim the right to be ignorant of legal procedures as I do not understand them.
I claim that anyone who interferes with my lawful activities after having been served notice of this claim and who fails to properly dispute or make lawful counterclaim is breaking the law, cannot claim good faith or colour of right and that such transgressions will be dealt with in a properly convened court de jure.
I claim that the courts in the Republic of Ireland are de-facto and are in fact in the profitable business of conducting, witnessing and facilitating the transactions of security interests and I furthermore claim that they require the consent of both parties prior to providing any such services.

I claim all transactions of security interests require the consent of both parties and I do hereby deny consent to any transaction of a security interest issuing under any Act for as herein stated as a Freeman-on-the-Land I am not subject to any Act.
I state that it is my duty to Claim such rights, to protect them and ensure they exist for future generations.
Furthermore, I claim my FEE SCHEDULE for any transgressions by peace officers, government principals or agents or justice system participants is ( €1,000 per hour) ONE THOUSAND EURO PER HOUR or portion thereof if being questioned, interrogated or in any way detained, harassed, searched or otherwise regulated and (€2,000 PER HOUR) TWO THOUSAND EURO PER HOUR or portion thereof if I am handcuffed, transported, incarcerated or subjected to any adjudication process without my express written and Notarized consent and €5,000 (FIVE THOUSAND EURO) should I unknowingly accept an order from any court official during any adjudication process that is Unlawful, where no crime has been committed against any man or woman or against their property and ONE THOUSAND PER DAY (€1,000 PER DAY) if my private conveyance of the day, to wit, my private, unregistered, unlicensed automobile(s) is seized or detained in any way by any government, principals, employees, agents or justice system participants.
Furthermore I claim that the law of agent and principal applies and that service upon one is service upon both.

Furthermore I claim the right to use a notary to secure payment of the aforementioned fee schedule.
Failure to register a dispute against the claims made herein will result in an automatic default judgement and permanent and irrevocable estopple by acquiescence barring the bringing of charges under any statute or Act against My Self Freeman-on-the-Land .
Affected parties wishing to dispute the claims made herein or make their own counterclaims must respond appropriately within TEN (10) days of service of notice of this action.

Responses must be under Oath or attestation, upon full commercial liability
and penalty of perjury and registered in the Notary Office herein provided no later than ten days from the date of the original service as attested to by way of certificate of service.

Date: / /
of the family,
City.
Ireland.Signed:Notary/Verifier:Address:

Swanny

01-22-2010, 02:37 PM

I'd love to be a freeman but from what I've seen it's very complicated, definitely too complicated for me :sad:

morguana

01-22-2010, 02:39 PM

Jack

01-22-2010, 02:41 PM

Jack

01-22-2010, 02:43 PM

I'd love to be a freeman but from what I've seen it's very complicated, definitely too complicated for me :sad:

Stick with the thread swanson, this is a support group.

ANYONE who is having any difficulty in understanding this after watching the videos and information i have provided can form an orderly queue outside my office for questions.

There is much more to come so bear with it swanny, its not half as complicated as it first appears.

Jack

01-22-2010, 02:46 PM

love it jack, sounds like a wonderfull idea, i wonder if there are any 'down' sides to this? i wonder if it can be done in the uk? (all land here belongs to the monachy, i believe.....maybe someone can find out for sure)
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Yes, it applies to any commonwealth country including Ireland, England, United States, Canada and Australia. All of these concepts can be used with a little bit of tweaking in different countries.

If your looking for a notice of understanding for the Uk just type into google ;

"Notice of understanding and intent and claim of right" UK

feardia

01-22-2010, 02:49 PM

ffs Jack, just tax your car and they'll let you go, you don't want to be hauled all the way over to the EU court in Brussels, or do you?

'I am a freeman on the land, servant to all, master of none." Feardia, from the Táin Bó Cualigne 1500bc

Jack

01-22-2010, 02:52 PM

Notice of understanding and intent and claim of right, Deconstructed. United Kingdom.

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Please educate yourself and read everything you can before attempting to apply any of these techniques. The most important thing in the world is that you understand them, and understand your rights in such a way that you will have no fear defending them if needs be.

Jack

01-22-2010, 02:53 PM

Jack

01-22-2010, 02:56 PM

DAILY WISDOM

We are operating under statutory law.

This means quite simply.

That they CANNOT police us without our consent.

And if you have notarised your Notice of Understanding.

Then they cannot police you without your written and signed consent.

THIS IS HOW WE FIGHT THEM (peacefully)

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Anti-Terrorist has gotten a few things wrong in this video, but nonetheless, he's an excelent source of information. For example. You can make your claim of right and still keep all of the benifits of your "strawman" , or "person". You do not neccesarily have to completely withdraw yourself from the system as he would lead you to believe those particular videos, there are other ways around this.

Also, did you know that if you are a Canadian/US citizen and have a student loan that it is possible to have it paid off from your treasury account without leaving a bad mark on your credit rating. I'll post this information in due course, but just know, there is a world of possibilites opening up for us. And this is our chance to shine.

feardia

01-22-2010, 03:02 PM

Am i obliged to have my unregistered conveyance of the day taxed good sir?

Nice try jack...
http://news.sky.com/sky-news/content/StaticFile/jpg/2009/Mar/Week2/15240011.jpg
...would you mind blowing in to that bag then, sir.

btw, Ireland is not in the commonwealth.

Jack

01-22-2010, 03:08 PM

Nonetheless, their legal system is very prevalent here and works in much the same regard.

For you Feardia , http://freemanireland.ning.com

feardia

01-22-2010, 03:18 PM

Jack

01-22-2010, 03:24 PM

DEALING WITH THE POLICE

(Peace Officers/Policy Enforcers)

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Jack

01-22-2010, 03:44 PM

THE "STRAWMAN" ILLUSION

Who are you.

Are you a person?

Or are you a man?

A statute = A rule or legislation given the force of law (through consent of the governed) and applicable to only a "person/strawman/legal fiction"

A person = A corporate fiction applicable to legislation of any statute.

A man = A flesh a blood human. Not applicable to legislation of any statute. Second only to god. "Above the Government"
Can only be held liable for strawman legislation through consent of that flesh and blood "Man/Woman"

Running a light is not breaking the "law", it is in violation of a "statute". Statutes are only applicable to a man/woman when they admits liability to the person. You do not have to consent.

We give away that right every day.

When we go into court, and the judge asks us to "all rise", we are in essence following an order, and by following that order we are coming under their jurisdiction. Only "persons/strawmen/legal fictions" follow orders.

There was one man who had a court case for whatever it was. He went through the entire session in full awareness and application of his rights, and made sure not to admit to being the "person" as the judge had asked him numerous times "Are you such and so and so?" .. "Come on now, enough of these games, are you "JOHN DOE" " But he stuck to his guns and said he was the "agent" for that person, and in doing so, was not liable and did not fall under their jurisdiction. After the judge finished foaming at the mouth, and finally through the mans knowledge of his rights had to let him go as he was leaving the courtroom the man had a toothpick in his mouth, and the judge shouted "take the toothpick out of your mouth!", the man proceeded to take the toothpick out so he could answer the judge but as soon as he did the bailiffs jumped on him. He followed an order, only persons follow orders, and therefore allow themselves under the jurisdiction of the court (which operates under maritime law)

Knowing your rights is not important. Being your rights is what will seperate you from their systems. The have no more control or authority over us then what we give them. Equality before law is paramount and mandatory.

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Jack

01-22-2010, 04:04 PM

The next time you get busted, keep this video in mind.

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Tyranny will only succeed by the hands of the shpeople.

Know your rights, teach your children their rights, apply those rights, claim your freedom (or they will take it away)

Jack

01-22-2010, 04:18 PM

DO NOT CONSENT

If you have not hurt someone, damaged their property, or commited fraud in your contracts then they can only apply statutory legislation on you.

Statute; A legislative rule of society given the force of law by the consent of the governed.

Give them nothing.

"I do not consent to any searches"

"Am i free to go?"

"Am i under Arrest"

"Have you witnessed me breach the peace?"

"I am now reserving my right to not engage in conversation with any peace officer who has not witnessed me breach the peace"

sammytray

01-22-2010, 04:22 PM

jack...

solutions??? I dig it! I will be following your thread and participating as best as possible. This is a good thread.

Peace of mind

01-22-2010, 04:23 PM

Thanks Jack, I'm sure this will be useful to many of us.
*archiving*

Peace

Jack

01-22-2010, 04:24 PM

If being detained ;

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a. Shut up.
b. Keep your mouth shut
c. If you keep your lips pressed together the silly words wont fall out.

aroundthetable

01-22-2010, 06:08 PM

This is an attractive idea Jack, i felt similar excitement when i first came acrooss it. However, it is indeed complicated and time consuming, i feel ultimately we are better spending our valuable time spreading spirituality, love, something everyone can engage in.

That said, i root for all those prepared to take a stand in this way. Bon Courage Jack.

I like to follow this guys adventures,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A32-5FoQEMs

:original:

ps, i seem to recall Bill commenting on this subject, something about it not being particularly useful against microwave weapons etc. Heres another link about these weapons and others. Robots dont care about your rights.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpu8axRFssU

xbusymom

01-22-2010, 06:55 PM

There is much more to come so bear with it swanny, its not half as complicated as it first appears.

I don't think he means that the actual process is complicated, I think he is saying that his particular circumstances are difficult to sort out to be able to do it... same as me and my family...

Jack

01-22-2010, 07:07 PM

I don't think he means that the actual process is complicated, I think he is saying that his particular circumstances are difficult to sort out to be able to do it... same as me and my family...

If you would care to elaborate on your current situation then maybe it would add some valuable fuel to the fire.

Northern Boy

01-22-2010, 07:15 PM

:mfr_lol: Kind of grabs you don`t it jack................ want to drive but don`t want a drivers license ?:mfr_omg:

See how this fellow makes out from London Ontario Canada

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Jack

01-22-2010, 07:49 PM

:mfr_lol: Kind of grabs you don`t it jack

By the balls Northern Boy :lol3:

INFORMATION STATION

Resources

http://www.thinkfree.ca

http://worldfreemansociety.org

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http://freemanireland.ning.com

http://freemanireland.ning.com/forum/topics/successful-results-from?commentId=3214356%3AComment%3A32216

http://www.getoutofdebtfree.org/

http://www.nmcservices.net/

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xbusymom

01-23-2010, 01:22 AM

If you would care to elaborate on your current situation then maybe it would add some valuable fuel to the fire.

my son is on SSA disability and the child support (is less than the normal amount) is paid thru an auxillary account off of their dad's SSA disability account... I just got finished with a CPS/court case involving my other son which, after all the requirements were put in place, locked me into a half-time job with job schedule that will not allow for getting s second job to help supplement the income.. so I have been diminished to depending on the SSA income just to be able to meet the minimum bills- and even tho I make too much to qualify for any other assistance- that does not allow for me to save anything or provide ANY avenue to get up out of the welfare pit.

so- at this time, I am not able to dismiss my wardens and submit documents to become a FREE family...

Northern Boy

01-23-2010, 03:37 PM

xbusymom you were working and paying into a system you never knew was there to deceive you. You can claim all rights and privileges that the capitalized name is entitled to remember if you claim it and they do not respond with in the time frame you stipulate then they have accepted it and it is binding in a court of law even theirs . The fact that they created the monster doesn`t entitle them to being excluded if the monster decides to bite them on the a_ss

xbusymom

01-23-2010, 04:53 PM

ok, but (not trying to argue myself out of anything) doesn't that also mean that if I don't jump through their hoops, they can then decide that we are not entitled to disability payments anymore?

*help me navigate the maze, 'cause I am already confused and I don't have a lot of time to really dig into researching this issue...

I will say this topic has given me courage to be bolder in dealing with SSA and I am currently dealing with a case review report that they are requiring me to fill out 'completely', yet has necessary data missing from their boxes on the report... so I am being a stickler with the CW on this point... and we will see how far I get with that...

and the payment for my other son for June's benefit (child support that was returned from the Foster Parent) I finally got back in November...

so I am racking up a lot of documentation... if nothing else

Northern Boy

01-23-2010, 05:39 PM

Ok lets do it this way

You have paid into programs like unemployment social security and welfare and the whole host of programs out there your whole life as a corporation . That is what you are when they use the acts and statutes against you in an attempt to control you ,and for the most part they have been successful at it .

So why can you pay in if you are a person but not draw out as a human being ? Answer is you can .

You must send them a notice of intent and a claim of right to gain access to these programs as a human being and if they refuse then you can show that as the agent of the capitalized name you contributed to these programs and would now like to be compensated for it in one of 2 ways by your notice claiming a right to them or by them refunding all deductions taken and put into the programs

xbusymom

01-23-2010, 09:20 PM

I got it now!

to get what you want - you just have to their game with their game pieces - documents!

( so its kind of like - an adult wanting to play a game with their kids so they have to rethink like a kid for the kids' rules to make sense)

kind of switches the perspective from what we were led to believe DUH-YA THINK?? hahaha -- oh i am loving this...

Hint- go back and rewatch the movie HOOK- in particular the scene where peter out-does rufio at the dinner table
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8il4ebEitE&feature=related

Gnosis5

01-23-2010, 09:44 PM

Awesome! From Mississauga, Ontario :original:

Northern Boy

01-23-2010, 09:58 PM

Yes similar except the meanings of the words used will change and you must know what they mean in their courts to be successful and getting the outcome you desire .

There are places you can go online to find out information and build a solid notice so everything you want as far as your rights go is included

Thinkfree.ca is one and Jack has posted several links that include others as well there are several links posted elsewhere in the forum one thing to remember is that Common Law whether it be Great Britain Canada or the U.S.
in the western hemisphere is virtually the same New Zealand and Oz likewise

but if you want an idea of how things work watch this
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7040453665540929835#

Gnosis5

01-23-2010, 10:37 PM

Gnosis5

01-23-2010, 10:55 PM

Ok Jack, thanx for the info, but i prefer to avoid the legal system at all times. I have a daily affirmation: "I am invisible to the forces of the state and all others with a bad attitude."

I spoke Irish to the TV licence man the other day, that always confuses them :original:

The Midnight Court (http://www.showhouse.com/prologue.html)

Like yourself I too have certain ways of being invisible without necessarily avoiding anyone. But if I wish to co-exist with a group it would be with a group of people who know themselves as peaceful sovereign beings and stand up for it. These are people I wish to associate with.

peace,
gnosis

feeqa

01-23-2010, 11:24 PM

Well done for this Thread Jack.

It is the solution to the worlds problems.

For those that heard Wilcocks interview with Fulford, pay attention to the part about the Lien for 43 trillion.

That is how you get remedy. Put a lien on them, as you can see they are doing it and so can we.

Nobody except a Jury of your peers may remove a lien, not even a superior court Judge.

watermunky

01-23-2010, 11:36 PM

Indeed an excellent thread jack. I kinda wondered if and when this topic would show up on PA. I have been watching the freeman movement for about six months now. I just posted on another thread mentioning Rob's Bursting bubbles of Government deception videos. As for myself I have begun the process this weekend. I agree with swanny that the whole thing does seems complicated.In the end I just decided to grab hold of what info I could and put it to use. thanx chaz

xbusymom

01-23-2010, 11:49 PM

For those that heard Wilcocks interview with Fulford, pay attention to the part about the Lien for 43 trillion.

That is how you get remedy. Put a lien on them, as you can see they are doing it and so can we.

Nobody except a Jury of your peers may remove a lien, not even a superior court Judge.

where is the link for that video?
on camelot?

feeqa

01-23-2010, 11:59 PM

http://divinecosmos.com/index.php/start-here/davids-blog/807-fulford-interview-exclusive (http://http://divinecosmos.com/index.php/start-here/davids-blog/807-fulford-interview-exclusive)

You'll have to scroll down to bottom of thread the link to the MP3 audio file is there.

And there is a thread about it,
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19464 (http://http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19464)

Gnosis5

01-24-2010, 12:06 AM

The Notary Process of Justice:

"You should not have to create conflict in order to find remedy under the law."

Gnosis5

01-24-2010, 12:19 AM

http://hijackinghumanity.com/site/

lawyerforliberty

01-24-2010, 12:32 AM

I have come up with a solution for anyone who wishes to hit the powers that be where it hurts. As well as making life a hell of a lot more comfortable for those who choose to walk this road.

I'm starting this thread to first see if there is many here who are interested in a solution, and if so the thread will go from there.

There is such a thing as a notice of understanding and intent and claim of right which in essence makes you a freeman on the land and no longer applicable to understand (stand-under) the millions (literally) of statutes that are used for revenue collection by the justice departments each day.

Through enough of us becoming a freeman on the land we can truly start to take back our power, and bring those who have taken advantage of theirs to justice if they choose to step out of their system and into our courts.

Anyone who has information on this subject please do feel free to post, and I will continue to add to this thread as time goes by. Consider this a testing of the waters. If avalon is looking for solutions, then this is it.

I'm going to try to communicate something here in response to this thread, which appears to me as I quickly perused it, to be dealing with what can be summarized and lumped together as the Sovereign, Strawman, UPPER CASE name that is not me, UCC, in commerce theory. I'll call it the Strawman.

I studied the Strawman at length for many years and ultimately came to the conclusion that the subject is fraught with lies, half-truths (which is still a whole lie) and has been overly simplified as to make it complicated and dangerous, and that what truth there is to it, has been obfuscated either unwittingly by well-intentioned but misguided and misinformed people, or intentionally by agents provacateur.

What I've just said and what I am going to very briefly add lacks detail and is conclusory and not descriptive, because I do not have the inclination to get into this subject again in great detail. Some of you may even claim that I am a member of the establishment and that my opinion is to be disregarded. That is certainly up to each of you to decide.

Nevertheless, in my opinion you should not waste your time, effort and money pursuing this. Be very careful before you put your physical liberty at risk. It is unnecessary to do any of this to be free (because you already are), most of you won't understand this stuff (no offense intended), you won't know what to accept as true and what to disregard as fiction, and the establishment. i.e., judges, DA's, banks, FBI, IRS and the like, are way ahead of you on this--principally because they have been brainwashed to see you as the enemy and they will simply ignore you and proceed against you regardless of what you say or do.

In short, you can create what ever piece of paper you want, notarize it, file it with the secretary of state, etc... and it will not make a bit of difference to the establishment. Pursuing your freedom by freeing yourself from your Strawman is a distraction that the PTB could not care less about, and in many cases hope you get got up in. That exercise saps your energy and keeps your eye off the ball.

Yes, the funny money-fiat-legal tender-fractional reserve-central banking system and the income tax system are corrupt and enslaving. (And intentionally so.) But to free yourself from those systems, don't borrow money and do engage in livelihoods that avoid or at least minimize taxation. However, that is very hard to do and for most people seemingly impossible to do. But, staying wthin the system and trying to avoid your Strawman is even harder and may cause you to lose some of the very freedom you seek.

Your freedom and liberty do not come from a piece of paper, notarized or not. You know that. Your freedom and liberty preceed all establishments, commercial and otherwise, and are ordained by Universe, G-d, consciousness, or whatever you see as the source of being.

We are beings, we are consciousness and, thus, we are free. Why look for what you already have?

Gnosis5

01-24-2010, 12:56 AM

Very interesting other viewpoint.

My question is when countries submit themselves to the world government laws and acts then constitutions of nations are overrode.

xbusymom

01-24-2010, 02:38 AM

Your freedom and liberty do not come from a piece of paper, notarized or not. You know that. Your freedom and liberty preceed all establishments, commercial and otherwise, and are ordained by Universe, G-d, consciousness, or whatever you see as the source of being.

We are beings, we are consciousness and, thus, we are free. Why look for what you already have?

What I've just said and what I am going to very briefly add lacks detail and is conclusory and not descriptive, because I do not have the inclination to get into this subject again in great detail. Some of you may even claim that I am a member of the establishment and that my opinion is to be disregard. That is certainly up to each of you to decide.

* And... queue the applause soundtrack**

very brilliant... for you to throw down this entire issue as a crock of **it and then claim that you are "better than that" and everyone should just leave things well enough alone... and that you WILL NOT stoop to lower levels of us stupid sheeples to discuss anything further... does very much sound like you are a decoy agent...

what would you have us do... nothing... that's how we got in this tight spot in the first place.. at least doing something (however wrong it might be) will send the message that we won't put up with this cr*p anymore...

so... thou hallowed EXPERT on the strawman...(and i don't usually get this mad) but either help us out of this mess or shut the ***k up

lawyerforliberty

01-24-2010, 02:55 AM

* And... queue the applause soundtrack**

very brilliant... for you to throw down this entire issue as a crock of **it and then claim that you are "better than that" and everyone should just leave things well enough alone... and that you WILL NOT stoop to lower levels of us stupid sheeples to discuss anything further... does very much sound like you are a decoy agent...

what would you have us do... nothing... that's how we got in this tight spot in the first place.. at least doing something (however wrong it might be) will send the message that we won't put up with this cr*p anymore...

so... thou hallowed EXPERT on the strawman...(and i don't usually get this mad) but either help us out of this mess or shut the ***k up

My, my. It appears I hit a nerve. Forgive me, I did not mean to trigger such a response in you. Or any one else for that matter.

I suggest you have misinterpreted my post and and I know you have quoted me as saying things I never said or even implied.

Did it escape your notice that much of the information in this thread concerning what I have called the Strawman is being presented by a person or persons wearing a mask? Why do you suppose that is?

I am trying to help and I alluded to a solution in my post. So, I see no need for me to do as you so colorfully suggest.

lawyerforliberty

01-24-2010, 03:19 AM

Very interesting other viewpoint.

My question is when countries submit themselves to the world government laws and acts then constitutions of nations are overrode.

I claim no inside information or any great insight, but in my view most countries long ago submitted themselves to world government and in the US at least, the Constitution has been for all intents and purposes overridden. The disabilities that document saddles on the national government have certainly been ignored and the limited powers granted therein to the national government have been greatly expanded to the point of usurpation.

I edit my post to hasten to add, that while the PTB are content, if not determined, to ignore the Constitution, many of the natural rights recognized therein, especially in the Bill of Rights, have not been and cannot be vitiated. Moreover, these rights, being natural, are not dependent upon the existence of a document called the Constitution. Thus, whether the Constitution of the US, or any other country, is honored or ignored by the PTB, the people remain vested in their natural rights. The PTB can never take that away.

watermunky

01-24-2010, 03:36 AM

So the only real long lasting sollution then would be divine intervention? Be it from self or other source.

Northern Boy

01-24-2010, 04:59 AM

the legal profession is part of the problem . Think tanks of 20 or 30 people deciding what society should be do not represent a cross section of it so who are they to say how i should be forced to live my life .

Look around at the greed and corruption through out Washington London and Ottawa in case your wondering the majority of them were at one time Lawyers.

What is sound and REASONABLE IS THAT IF THERE IS NO VICTIM THERE IS NO CRIME. Acts and statutes are used as income generating tools by corporate courts and law enforcement agencies. Everyone is reasponsible for their actions and no one should be penalizedfor drinking a beer as they walk down the street as long as they don`t litter and behave them selves .

As far as thinking you are free please tell me what makes you think that with all the laws enacted to curtail peaceful activities and infringe on rights and freedoms of others in the name of keeping ther people protected . FREE :lol3:

xbusymom

01-24-2010, 05:09 AM

My, my. It appears I hit a nerve. Forgive me, I did not mean to trigger such a response in you. Or any one else for that matter.

I suggest you have misinterpreted my post and and I know you have quoted me as saying things I never said or even implied.

Did it escape your notice that much of the information in this thread concerning what I have called the Strawman is being presented by a person or persons wearing a mask? Why do you suppose that is?

I am trying to help and I alluded to a solution in my post. So, I see no need for me to do as you so colorfully suggest.

okay…ummm…I cant say that I did not read what you did not write…

but I will give you the courtesy of apologizing for bleeding all over your mis-implied intentions… I am just really tired of nay-sayers (24+ years of them) who poo-poo every idea possibility of fixing a problem but offer no other solutions to try…

while I agree that it is not the best solution to completely cut yourself off from your strawman, what I was asking for *from anyone who says they have AN answer*

(and no I don’t even bother with the “secret helper”, I look to the real people trying to give real help for real situations)

was what information/advice- other than “you are your own god, so go be it”- can you offer to the newbies to help people reduce the stranglehold that the government has on our moneies, jobs, property, and real estates so that people can make some real headway in actually acquiring an improved life and lifestyle ?... because it seems that the harder I run the behinder I get… what are some tangible tasks I may do to start getting this thing turned around?

Gnosis5

01-24-2010, 05:10 AM

lawyerforliberty

01-24-2010, 06:04 AM

No disrespect, but I do not see a self-photo on your public profile, yet you discredit someone who wears a mask. If you knew that one of your associates in this cause was attacked by a swat team without warrant might not you be provoked to wear a mask or some other extreme defensive action?

I do not take what you say as being disrespectful. We are all adults here and we should be able to speak openly, if respectfully.

You see no photo of me in my profile because at this time I do not know how to do that, nor do I think it is important to have a photo of me there. I have used my name in a post I wrote some time ago in the Gary McKinnon thread. I would repeat my name here, but I'm hoping you might read that post.

I'm not sure this thread is going the way it was intended to go. Apparently it's about solutions to the oppresson caused by being a slave to what Buckminster Fuller called Legally-Piggally.

I submit that trying to escape the so-called Strawman in the manner described in this thread is not the way to go, unless and until one has fully studied the subject and has mastered a full understanding of the subject and has charted a course for him/herself based upon that mastery.

The sole reason I have spoken up on this subject is to alert people so that they do not make the kind of mistakes that lead to them feeling the need to wear a mask.

It is not possible for me to lay out here what do do and what not to do in this area. It takes many years of study and analysis to truly figure this out.

The bottom line is this: if you can, get out of debt, do not borrow "money," and engage in a livelihod the fruits of which are not taxable. Both of these are hard to do, the latter even harder. But trying to become a Sovereign in the sense of eschewing the Strawman, can be even harder.

tonyotag

01-24-2010, 06:11 AM

...Furthermore, I claim my FEE SCHEDULE for any transgressions by peace officers, government principals or agents or justice system participants is ( €1,000 per hour) ONE THOUSAND EURO PER HOUR or portion thereof if being questioned, interrogated or in any way detained, harassed, searched or otherwise regulated and (€2,000 PER HOUR) TWO THOUSAND EURO PER HOUR or portion thereof if I am handcuffed, transported, incarcerated or subjected to any adjudication process without my express written and Notarized consent and €5,000 (FIVE THOUSAND EURO) should I unknowingly accept an order from any court official during any adjudication process that is Unlawful, where no crime has been committed against any man or woman or against their property and ONE THOUSAND PER DAY (€1,000 PER DAY) if my private conveyance of the day, to wit, my private, unregistered, unlicensed automobile(s)...

Hi, just want to critique this portion of the message (as to think of this as constructive criticism.) Instead of x-thousand of units of your home land's currency, I suggest a pound of gold or equivalent valued x pounds of silver as payment. The reason; to combat inflation or deflation of a currency. Other reasons may be of by payment of land, resources, command of special forces (but that may be just a bit much.)

Otherwise, I like what you are doing, keep up with it. Soon all of this fear will be over (but of course be careful of world governance without our proper representation.)

lawyerforliberty

01-24-2010, 06:20 AM

okay…ummm…I cant say that I did not read what you did not write…

but I will give you the courtesy of apologizing for bleeding all over your mis-implied intentions… I am just really tired of nay-sayers (24+ years of them) who poo-poo every idea possibility of fixing a problem but offer no other solutions to try…

while I agree that it is not the best solution to completely cut yourself off from your strawman, what I was asking for *from anyone who says they have AN answer*

(and no I don’t even bother with the “secret helper”, I look to the real people trying to give real help for real situations)

was what information/advice- other than “you are your own god, so go be it”- can you offer to the newbies to help people reduce the stranglehold that the government has on our moneies, jobs, property, and real estates so that people can make some real headway in actually acquiring an improved life and lifestyle ?... because it seems that the harder I run the behinder I get… what are some tangible tasks I may do to start getting this thing turned around?

Xbusymom. Please understand that avoiding the Strawman as you seem to think you need or want to do, is contrary to and will work against your efforts to obtain relief and benefits from the SSA. A Sovereign asserts that he/she is not subject to the jurisdiction of the state except to the extent that he/she voluntarily consents and then it is inconsistent with sovereignty to seek and accept financial benefits from the state from which you have asserted your sovereignty. Under the current system you cannot at once say I have no Strawman, and also seek and receive benefits which are dependent upon the existence of your Strawman. One cannot be both in the game and not in the game at the same time.

shiftmonkey

01-24-2010, 07:56 AM

:mfr_lol: Kind of grabs you don`t it jack................ want to drive but don`t want a drivers license ?:mfr_omg:

See how this fellow makes out from London Ontario Canada

qD3NNmC___s

It's great to see people actually putting this to the test. I wonder if the police have orders to let these people go because they would eat up so much time in the courts.

I had looked into this several years ago but the concepts were not well tested in the real world. I remember reading that one would have to rescind their birth certificate and SS card somehow. The problem I had with it was how do you travel without a passport or open a bank account without a Social Security card? How do you even get a passport without a drivers license or birth certificate? It's like one piece of documentation is dependent upon another, and as soon as your birth certificate is issued you are sold into the system. I remember reading that you have to take it back to the birth certificate.

It seemed to me that doing the whole freeman/strawman thing would require you to spend a great deal of time fighting the system at every level.

Another thing that makes the prospect intimidating is how does one deal with property and income taxes? Are there any people out there really putting this aspect to the test? Didn't Westley Snipes try this and wind up in prison?

Is there some kind of special sovereign documentation that common people don't have access to? like how does the Queen of England get through customs? I know that is a silly question but I'm using it just to illustrate the point.

Humble Janitor

01-24-2010, 09:01 AM

Or you could do it and simply refuse to give them what they want.

I remember when I was 15-16. I used to do things that would make people cry but that's only because I could not stand their authority over me. I laughed at them, I mocked them and I refused to let them win. They broke down, they became frustrated and they gave up.

Whether or not they were part of a bigger thing, I'll never know.

But what does work is ignoring these people. Who are they to infringe upon your rights in life? What makes them superior to you? Why do you have to live in fear of them? Where did they come from? How could they possibly control you?

The real answer is that they can't.

Sometimes, you have to use their tactics against them.

Northern Boy

01-24-2010, 02:59 PM

L4L is right if you don`t want to read and think you can get away with simply walking in and speaking a few lines of dialogue and you are clear will find it tough to accomplish . YOU MUST TAKE THE ACT OR STATUTE AND DECONSTRUCT IT once this has been done you will have and idea of what is being used against you and why. Laws are written to protect society but whose society is being protected ?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society
Society or human society is the manner or condition in which the members of a community live together for their mutual benefit.
the problem with mutual benefit through out history is those who want to be in charge, usually the ones with the money have set things up so they benefit far more then the rest of us . Man has to stop putting his faith into the hands of a few people that don`t have its best interest at heart and let greed overpower them.

if you can, get out of debt, do not borrow "money,"[/QUOTE]
debt is a situation that can be escaped as well those interested in ways to eliminate most of the debt they have need only go here and read

http://www.hackcanada.com/canadian/freedom/mary_croft.pdf

[QUOTE]engage in a livelihod the fruits of which are not taxable .

All fruits are not taxable, the fact that one has a social security number means they are an agent of the government . What that implies is that when you get a job you were referred to the place of employment by the government They charge all employers a payroll tax which the employer must pay . It also allows them to deduct income tax because you are hired under a contract for hire. All one needs do is approach a perspective employer and ask to be hired under a contract for service one does not need a ssn or sin to work under those conditions however there are other things to consider going that route . Hours of work, Statutory holidays , overtime pay, benefits, every thing you would normally have must be negotiated into a contract between both parties and signed

The employer now avoids the payroll tax saving him money there and the employee avoids the need to pay a tax on income it can be done and has been done. This does not mean the boys at the IRS and CRA won`t be looking to grab your hard earned money they will say and do what ever they choose to get your money using their good friends the courts to obtain it. You would be forced to prove your position and even then not get your money in the end . The best way to avoid them is to have no bank account they can seize and you would suffer no loss this way . There are ways to do this as well .

those really interested in beating the tax game should visit here then decide how you want to proceed
http://www.detaxcanada.org/

Once more if you don`t want to do the leg work to accomplish your desired result then you will not succeed .

xbusymom

01-24-2010, 04:23 PM

Xbusymom. Please understand that avoiding the Strawman as you seem to think you need or want to do, is contrary to and will work against your efforts to obtain relief and benefits from the SSA. A Sovereign asserts that he/she is not subject to the jurisdiction of the state except to the extent that he/she voluntarily consents and then it is inconsistent with sovereignty to seek and accept financial benefits from the state from which you have asserted your sovereignty. Under the current system you cannot at once say I have no Strawman, and also seek and receive benefits which are dependent upon the existence of your Strawman. One cannot be both in the game and not in the game at the same time.

I am not as unaware of this as you have professed me to be…as shown by my very first positing on this thread…
XBM-response to JACK:
I don't think he means that the actual process is complicated, I think he is saying that his particular circumstances are difficult to sort out to be able to do it... same as me and my family...

NorthernBoy offered this:
Hours of work, Statutory holidays , overtime pay, benefits, every thing you would normally have must be negotiated into a contract between both parties and signed

the following thread is for a private contract template
http://thinkfreeforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=82&t=2414

here is a thread for the soverign ID card (which I helped with)…
http://thinkfreeforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=10329

and yet other threads for generating wealth independent of government contracts:
http://thinkfreeforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=10248
http://www.hourmoney.org/

and I am looking into and am involved in about 6-7 other avenues to be able to achieve my goal of getting to the point of not being dependent on the SSA monies…

I just finished up a “child in need of care” case (in the courts) in which I proved the FosterCare system and the Child Protective Services lacking in several areas of expertise or knowledge- and they have since been readjusting their procedures stemming from my recommendations…

so you can see that I am not above doing my own legwork… I was simply asking you to help provide CREATIVE PROBLEM SOLVING instead of just tearing down other peoples ideas

whitefluffy

01-24-2010, 06:21 PM

Hey jack, :thumb_yello:

Thankyou for this thread, you'll keep lots of people busy on this one as it IS a fundamentally important issue ! a veritable pandoras box, a minefiled. However, if you know where the landmines are set you've got a better chance of survival than if you haven't, right? So it pays to have at least a broad outline of what youre dealing with. Thankyou for the links posted so far, by you and others.
i would like to add a few more which i have found helpful.

Highly recommended. A Spiritual Economics Book on $$$ and Remembering Who You Are by Mary Elizabeth ... : Croft http://www.scribd.com/doc/17462164/How-I-Clobbered-Every-Bureaucratic-CashConfiscatory-Agency-Known-To-Man-By-Mary-Croft
http://www.tpuc.org/
http://loveforlife.com.au
http://www.truthmovementaustralia.com.au/forum/

Its interesting that many of us seem to be following similar lines of enquiry. This issue can be approached from 2 aspects, either the point of law, the 'strawman' or the monetary aspect.

When i first found out about the birth certificate issue, i was, to put it mildly, flabberghasted! :mfr_omg:felt very angry, betrayed, just totally dumfounded.:nono: The whole fraudulent system began to become apparent but it doesnt have to be complicated. Actually its just something new and we have to begin to come to terms with it just as we have integrated many of the other perhaps more generally esoteric issues usually dealt with by camelot.
It is an important part of the picture to grasp, remebering that everything is connected and the system of deceit which operates to actually enslave us must be understood even if some feel that its too complicated or that it's an area to be avoided, i.e. don't go there, usually only serves to pique my interest !
What was is it kerry said recently? Something along the lines of "awareness is protection", well she's right and it applies to this area of the matrix just as importantly as it does to all of the rest of the web of understanding.

When dealing with bullies (or in this case, a system of tyranny) I have found it's always best to call their bluff, to remain calm, to be polite yet affirmative with just a slight sprinkling of sarcasm! :smoke:

p.s. hope no one objects to print size or colour but i find it easier too read & distinguish posts if they differ somewhat.

xbusymom

01-24-2010, 09:24 PM

I posted this on another board- http://thinkfreeforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=10926

BY XBM:
and the following is the Notice of Intent/Claim of Right from Ireland (I am sure that we could tweak it just a little for individual countries)

and XXX does have a very good point…

arrg you guys are relentless. You are not listening, the CoR (claim of right) and NoI (notice of intent) are a commercial protest negotiation, you cant serve them all in one document!!!
you have to do the NoI nad see if they rebutt, then you do the CoR and see if they rebutt, the CoR is like a default notice...some fool joind them up quite some time ago thinking they could make the process less expensive....but commercial negotiation procedure does not work that way. I would probably say all the people who made the NoI and CoR into one document did not do the process properly and they are laughing at you...also you have to go through a notary for service...hence the name "notary protest"...geesh you can't change the rules to commercial negotiation, it has been used for thousands of years, do you think just cuz you decided to change the rules, they are going to tell you..."hey you are doing it wrong"...no they wont, they will just laugh at you and shuffle you on the train with every other debt slave.

frikin wake up! I can't believe that after all this time on the thinkfree board you still don't get it!! its amazing, specially when the answers are here, easy to find and yet you are all still confounded!

… then I found this podcast…
http://marcstevens.net/media/audio/222-marc-on-lawful-rebellion-12242009.html
which explains why it is so extremely difficult to navigate correctly in the legal system…
Neural-Linguistic programming (NLP) – and especially when the legal system deliberately changes the definitions of words (terms) in different documents/ statutes, etc… for the exact reason to set you up / make it confusing (or contradictory) on purpose

which shows that ‘lawyerforliberty” was right when he said we would never understand…

but that still leaves the question of “how do I get around the problem?”

Jack

01-24-2010, 11:39 PM

Hey jack, :thumb_yello:

Thankyou for this thread, you'll keep lots of people busy on this one as it IS a fundamentally important issue ! a veritable pandoras box, a minefiled. However, if you know where the landmines are set you've got a better chance of survival than if you haven't, right?

You just said it right there.

My whole motivation in persuing this (down to my bloody fingernails) is simply down to the two facts below.

* There are millions of statutes, rules and regulations a person must be aware of in order to work within the judicial structure that has been placed before us. Working within the law is a profound and complicated business, as any soliciter/lawyer who's just spent the past 7 or 8 years completing their "initiation" will tell you.

* There are very few common law rights in comparison to the above and knowing these rights with enough conviction that strapping one on and applying them becomes second nature is a much easier path to follow then working with the literal mindfield (you wont get blowed up, but your rear passage may be at risk when your landed in jail) which is the maritime law judicial system. - Also id like to add that once you claim your god given common law rights then statutes and regulations no longer apply to you. You are no longer working within or are obliged to work within their system, and therefore are not obliged to seize, grasp or understand any of their silly legal definitions and what not.

The main emphasis on this is to STUDY. Its worth it! And anyone who tells you that its complicated and to turn away now (lest ye be turned to stone) are literally advising you to turn your back on freedom and open your arms to slavery. And then the second and most importance emphasis is to stand by those convictions no matter how big and bad that police officer thinks himself to be.

This was once an optional choice. Its now a decision more people need to start making fast. As anyone can see, the shackles are slowly tightening..

[Disclaimer] - Dont do this because i said to do it. Do it because you've done enough study to see that it does work and it is the answer!

All rights reserved

Jack

01-24-2010, 11:45 PM

but that still leaves the question of “how do I get around the problem?”

Once you state your claim, if ive not already put it in there, it would be advisable to add this

"Furthermore, i will be using the Common English language in all my documents and proceedings as i do not understand legaleese"

After stating this (which is your right, why they would not deny your rights now would they) youve made an official and most likely unrebuted decleration that you do not understand "legal language" and it cannot be used against you in any proceedings.

Having a skim knowledge of the legal language is always a good thing to have, and if you choose to take this path of exciting and revealing study then this will be one of those things you'll become familiour with along the way.

Life is not about problems, its about solutions. (had to say it sorry, im on a "saving the world" buzz)

Gnosis5

01-25-2010, 12:16 AM

I do not take what you say as being disrespectful. We are all adults here and we should be able to speak openly, if respectfully.

You see no photo of me in my profile because at this time I do not know how to do that, nor do I think it is important to have a photo of me there. I have used my name in a post I wrote some time ago in the Gary McKinnon thread. I would repeat my name here, but I'm hoping you might read that post.

I'm not sure this thread is going the way it was intended to go. Apparently it's about solutions to the oppresson caused by being a slave to what Buckminster Fuller called Legally-Piggelly.

I submit that trying to escape the so-called Strawman in the manner described in this thread is not the way to go, unless and until one has fully studied the subject and has mastered a full understanding of the subject and has charted a course for him/herself based upon that mastery.

The sole reason I have spoken up on this subject is to alert people so that they do not make the kind of mistakes that lead to them feeling the need to wear a mask.

It is not possible for me to lay out here what do do and what not to do in this area. It takes many years of study and analysis to truly figure this out.

The bottom line is this: if you can, get out of debt, do not borrow "money," and engage in a livelihod the fruits of which are not taxable. Both of these are hard to do, the latter even harder. But trying to become a Sovereign in the sense of eschewing the Strawman, can be even harder.

Hi there,

Thanks for elaborating on your previous post and now I see better where you are coming from and the refinement that goes into your viewpoint on this subject.

I'm probably a chronic optimist and tend to like to pin people down who tell me something is impossible :-)

Right, about the intricacies of the process, I see that too. My solution, if someone choses to go this route, is to have classes that includes role playing and rehearsal of one's lines as shown in the videos.

One could easily get into a games condition with a "I win/you lose" attitude and all that is really called for is a Gandhi-esque non-cooperation. For example, racking up parking tickets when one does not need to could be unnecessary provocation.

Right, the guy with the mask is over the top. Bob Menard is over the top in his own style and he survives better by being very out front and knowledgeable and spreading his knowledge.

In your opinion, with nations surrendering their constitutional rights to the formative world government, do you think it would find a way to close all legal loopholes for anyone becoming a freeman? Then there is the possible declaration of Martial Law? How would that change the freeman status if at all?

Rareheart

01-25-2010, 12:25 AM

Jack

01-25-2010, 12:25 AM

Jack

01-25-2010, 12:35 AM

Hi, just want to critique this portion of the message (as to think of this as constructive criticism.) Instead of x-thousand of units of your home land's currency, I suggest a pound of gold or equivalent valued x pounds of silver as payment. The reason; to combat inflation or deflation of a currency. Other reasons may be of by payment of land, resources, command of special forces (but that may be just a bit much.)

Otherwise, I like what you are doing, keep up with it. Soon all of this fear will be over (but of course be careful of world governance without our proper representation.)

Yeah i agree 100% , I had changed it before reading your post (funnily enough) to "1 TROY OZ 24K GOLD" and changed the rest to whatever was applicable.

Gnosis5

01-25-2010, 12:40 AM

It's great to see people actually putting this to the test. I wonder if the police have orders to let these people go because they would eat up so much time in the courts.

I had looked into this several years ago but the concepts were not well tested in the real world. I remember reading that one would have to rescind their birth certificate and SS card somehow. The problem I had with it was how do you travel without a passport or open a bank account without a Social Security card? How do you even get a passport without a drivers license or birth certificate? It's like one piece of documentation is dependent upon another, and as soon as your birth certificate is issued you are sold into the system. I remember reading that you have to take it back to the birth certificate.

It seemed to me that doing the whole freeman/strawman thing would require you to spend a great deal of time fighting the system at every level.

Another thing that makes the prospect intimidating is how does one deal with property and income taxes? Are there any people out there really putting this aspect to the test? Didn't Westley Snipes try this and wind up in prison?

Is there some kind of special sovereign documentation that common people don't have access to? like how does the Queen of England get through customs? I know that is a silly question but I'm using it just to illustrate the point.

You ask some pertinent questions, especially about how does the Queen legally identify herself within the system.

In Toronto we have many immigrants seeking to be legal citizens, a portion of them illegal. What advices does Bob Menard give them?

Gnosis5

01-25-2010, 12:45 AM

Hi, just want to critique this portion of the message (as to think of this as constructive criticism.) Instead of x-thousand of units of your home land's currency, I suggest a pound of gold or equivalent valued x pounds of silver as payment. The reason; to combat inflation or deflation of a currency. Other reasons may be of by payment of land, resources, command of special forces (but that may be just a bit much.)

Otherwise, I like what you are doing, keep up with it. Soon all of this fear will be over (but of course be careful of world governance without our proper representation.)

Right, precious metals currency. However, another approach I have seen and approve of is small towns and villages printing their own currency and for the most part trading among themselves. If farmers and manufacturers can be assured that the bills they were just given can be used to purchase in the store then everyone wins. It is a step of convenience above the barter system. People in small communities would have to clearly join ranks more so than in the past.

Gnosis5

01-25-2010, 12:47 AM

Gnosis5

01-25-2010, 12:49 AM

Gnosis5

01-25-2010, 12:57 AM

This most interesting subject, with its myriad of facets, can be summed up as follows (imho obviously):

A true 'free man' walks in service to others, and need not deal with any but his own law.

:original:

Yes, that is the ideal I am striving for -- to be naturally ethical and not need anyone to police my thoughts or actions, being naturally "good".

peace,
Gnosis

Gnosis5

01-25-2010, 01:02 AM

You just said it right there.

My whole motivation in persuing this (down to my bloody fingernails) is simply down to the two facts below.

* There are millions of statutes, rules and regulations a person must be aware of in order to work within the judicial structure that has been placed before us. Working within the law is a profound and complicated business, as any soliciter/lawyer who's just spent the past 7 or 8 years completing their "initiation" will tell you.

* There are very few common law rights in comparison to the above and knowing these rights with enough conviction that strapping one on and applying them becomes second nature is a much easier path to follow then working with the literal mindfield (you wont get blowed up, but your rear passage may be at risk when your landed in jail) which is the maritime law judicial system. - Also id like to add that once you claim your god given common law rights then statutes and regulations no longer apply to you. You are no longer working within or are obliged to work within their system, and therefore are not obliged to seize, grasp or understand any of their silly legal definitions and what not.

The main emphasis on this is to STUDY. Its worth it! And anyone who tells you that its complicated and to turn away now (lest ye be turned to stone) are literally advising you to turn your back on freedom and open your arms to slavery. And then the second and most importance emphasis is to stand by those convictions no matter how big and bad that police officer thinks himself to be.

This was once an optional choice. Its now a decision more people need to start making fast. As anyone can see, the shackles are slowly tightening..

[Disclaimer] - Dont do this because i said to do it. Do it because you've done enough study to see that it does work and it is the answer!

All rights reserved

It is a lot easier to study to understand this issue than to try and figure out what Sir Abraxas is talking about on the Thuban thread :thumb_yello:

Jack

01-25-2010, 01:07 AM

It's great to see people actually putting this to the test. I wonder if the police have orders to let these people go because they would eat up so much time in the courts.

Ive seen it time and time again where someone fully equiped with knowledge of their rights comes into a courtroom and is called by the court. Within two minutes of them talking you will often hear a slight whisper from the judicial desk "just gonna stick this one to the bottom of the pile" , ahem, "next case". They are doing this constantly and are doing it because they know it works, and their sure as hell not gonna let everyone else in the courtroom see someone make a holy show of them.

[P.S - It did not take these people years to learn to this extent as someone else who has posted in this thread would have us believe. I am taking into consideration that you are all inteligent human beings capable of rational thought and inteligent discernment. Therefore i do not advise neither for nor against utilising any of the information presented in a rational and intelligent manner. I am however advising that you come to your own conclusions and take responsible action on your own initiative as is everyones god given ability]

I had looked into this several years ago but the concepts were not well tested in the real world. I remember reading that one would have to rescind their birth certificate and SS card somehow. The problem I had with it was how do you travel without a passport or open a bank account without a Social Security card? How do you even get a passport without a drivers license or birth certificate? It's like one piece of documentation is dependent upon another, and as soon as your birth certificate is issued you are sold into the system. I remember reading that you have to take it back to the birth certificate.

The idea here is not to completely extinguish your corporate entity. A freeman excercising his rights to a knowledgable extent will always be operating as the "Agent" of his "Fiction" and therefore can avail of the benifits whilst still being able to waive any liability at any moment that see's fit. Such instances as when a "person" is being called in court, if that flesh and blood human being whom the person is attributed does not claim liability but instead stands their ground as its agent then they cannot be legally held liable for that which they have not accepted consentual responsibility for. It really is that simple. (Study this and it will become evident)

It seemed to me that doing the whole freeman/strawman thing would require you to spend a great deal of time fighting the system at every level.

An observation i myself once had before becoming educated on the subject. It is far less time consuming, and far less turbulent then working within the current system. The most time consuming factor of all this is the time you will spend researching it once you get addicted to your god given freedom (its like crack)

Another thing that makes the prospect intimidating is how does one deal with property and income taxes? Are there any people out there really putting this aspect to the test? Didn't Westley Snipes try this and wind up in prison?

The more people that start excercising their rights, the more inteligent witnesses who know their stuff will be sitting in front of the judge. We have great power in numbers, you just watch them squirm when faced with all these witnesses who truly and unevuiqally know their rights. Theres a lot of information on what you just asked here in the links ive provided previously, please do read as it will save me quite a bit of typing and coffee stains.

Gnosis5

01-26-2010, 03:33 AM

You are doing a good public service, thank you. One of the rights of a being is the right to walk away from a game. Following the rules in the links above allows one to decently, with good order and intention to firmly walk away from the win/lose game. It is one of the rights of a being and is simply another way to say "The Right to the Pursuit of Happiness".

By NOT playing this game, who loses? If you really stop and take a look at it NO ONE LOSES, everyone wins, whether they share that attitude or not. This is a good way for people to raise their consciousness -- does not always have to have a "spiritual" beginning :original::original:

lawyerforliberty

01-26-2010, 04:01 AM

Ive been a moderator here for quite some time, ive talked with people on webcam, posted my picture in my profile numerous times and have basically been a member of this site from day one.

I assure you, im no big bad wolf coming to eat your freedom. Oh Contraire.

Jack: It never ocurred to me that you are any such thing. I have no reason to believe that you have anything but the best of intentions in mind. But, I think that what I have said in this thread about the need to master this subject and not rush naively into it, is being borne out by the posts from you and others. This subject is indeed a trap for the unwary.

The financial-monetary-taxation system that is in place is the product of many very bright (and in many cases evil) minds, developed over many centuries, which is now completly ensconced into the fabric of our psyche and society. These people are shrewd.

I maintain that to beat them at their game one has to not play the game. This is what I meant when I said we are free.

xbusymom

01-26-2010, 05:26 AM

The financial-monetary-taxation system that is in place is the product of many very bright (and in many cases evil) minds, developed over many centuries, which is now completly ensconced into the fabric of our psyche and society. These people are shrewd.

I maintain that to beat them at their game one has to not play the game. This is what I meant when I said we are free.

ok, granted- they have been at this a lot longer than we have- heck! they designed this game... and we have been dragged into this game unknowingly

but your staunch mantra of "just don't play" confuses me...

HOW do we not play the game? (how do we stop playing, now that we know what they are up to?)

that's like telling someone who has never been in (or even close to) a body of water - to just go swim- they don't know HOW. so what happens when a person wants to cross the river- you give them some tools- "use a boat"...

Has anyone read the book "Jonathan Livingston Seagull"... ?... the part where Jon comes back from the advanced level and tells the birds
"just soar"- they don't get it - and Jon has to talk to them at their level of understanding...
so...
give us some tools that will help us refuse to play their game... ??

Jack

01-26-2010, 02:33 PM

I can udnerstand wholeheartedly when you advise people not to rush into this. I'm not giving legal advice, but I am putting the cards on the table for everyone to see, and from there they can make up their own minds.

Like anyone will tell you, dont do this because you heard some guy on the internet talking about it, do it because you've done enough research to give a good enough level of understanding to how this system works and how we can then use that knowledge to our advantage.

To escape a trap a person first needs to know how this trap is constructed. Once that has been accomplished weaknesses can be found in the bars and a nail file can be found hidden in the cornor. Everyone is entitled to this information but unfortunatly were coming to a stage where its becoming more of an obligation if people want to keep their sovereignty and stop these serial manipulators from carrying out their agenda.

I'm highly doubtfull that these guys are even going to accomplish what they have set out to do no matter how much they try. Were entering into a new level energetic resonance explained very well by Ian Xen Lungold as well as other researchers in this field, where the kind of behaviour that these people exhibit will no longer be compatible with the vibratory frequencies that will dominate the earth.

Stargazer1965

01-26-2010, 02:53 PM

xbusymom

01-27-2010, 12:42 AM

To escape a trap a person first needs to know how this trap is constructed.

I think the step before that is for everyone to realize that they are in a trap... and what kind of trap it is...

so I am working on flyer #2 of the FReZoN info-sheets...

I need some help with the dates/wordage, tho...

----------------
Do you want to play LEGALOPOLY?
(oh, umm… I forgot…we already are…)

• Everything is GOVERNED BY the Uniform Commercial Codes (UCC- started in [date]) for Maritime Authority of freight transported for International Trade and Commerce.
• Your SSN is assigned a BOND # for the labor resources you provide over your lifetime as financial surety for the corporation of “The United States Of America” to pay back the monetary loan we got from Great Britain in 1913.
• Common English words are re-defined for each DOCUMENT-STATUTE of the country’s “faux-laws” according to the purpose and results desired for each business CORPORATION’s contracts and transactions. That is why it is so confusing for anyone who does not study in the LAW SOCIETY.

Do you want to quit playing in a GAME you know nothing about and can’t win?

• Don’t fight CITY HALL… (why would you want to beat up a company office building anyway?). Be a responsible human being and don't start any trouble unnecessarily.
• Peacefully Assert your Sovereignty by serving a “Notice of Understanding and Intent” to [your representative] and allow for a reasonable time lapse before you serve them your “Claim Of Right”. (*good website source for helping people construct one).
• (*additional websites for info on this issue)

------------------

my thought on this is... if lots of people swamp the government with NoI's/ CoR's, they will be too busy to give rebuttal(s) in time

so print off a bunch of flyers and post them everywhere... let the peace-fight begin

Jack

01-27-2010, 01:13 AM

The universal commercial code was first published in 1956 (and became effective at midnight on June 30, 1967)

Ive had little success in explaining this to the layman using the kind of terminology your using right there. Its almost as if it goes right over their head, too many new words and concepts that they have not encountered before and most of it goes in one ear and out the other without any grasp on the actual message your trying to get accross.

Not telling you your business now or anything, but just my own observations gained through personal experience.

Gnosis5

01-27-2010, 01:14 AM

Even if people do not go this route at this time at least they know better what is going on. Watching the videos was very educational, thank you.

Jack

01-27-2010, 01:19 AM

Even if people do not go this route at this time at least they know better what is going on. Watching the videos was very educational, thank you.

Youre very welcome Gnosis5,

All im aiming for is to spread awareness, the more people become aware of it without maybe even digging too deep, the stronger it becomes reinforced into the global consciousness.

I'm glad you enjoyed the videos.

xbusymom

01-27-2010, 02:04 AM

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Ive had little success in explaining this to the layman using the kind of terminology your using right there. Its almost as if it goes right over their head, too many new words and concepts that they have not encountered before and most of it goes in one ear and out the other without any grasp on the actual message your trying to get across.

thanks, Jack... maybe I do need to "dumb it down" some more... bwahahaha (i confess I am in a sick frame of mind tonight- it just struck me as funny- it has been a long day today)

how 'bout this...

----------
*Everything is GOVERNED BY the “Uniform Commercial Codes” (UCC- started in [date]) under the Shipping Regulations of freight transported for International Trade and Commerce.
*Your SSN is assigned a BOND # for the labor “human resources” that you provide over your lifetime as financial security for the corporation of “The United States Of America” to pay back the loan we got from Great Britain in 1913.
*Common English words are re-defined for each DOCUMENT-STATUTE (non-laws) to get certain results from each contract and transaction of business CORPORATIONs. That is why it is so confusing for anyone who does not study in the LAW SOCIETY.

Do you want to quit playing in a GAME you know nothing about and can’t win?

*Don’t fight CITY HALL… (why would you want to beat up a company office building anyway?). Be a responsible human being and don’t start any trouble unnecessarily.
*Peacefully Assert your ability to control yourself by serving a “Notice of Understanding and Intent” to [your representative] and allow a reasonable time (about 2 weeks) for a response before you serve them your “Claim Of Right”. (*good website source for helping people construct one).
*(*additional websites for info on this issue)

lawyerforliberty

01-27-2010, 02:50 AM

ok, granted- they have been at this a lot longer than we have- heck! they designed this game... and we have been dragged into this game unknowingly

but your staunch mantra of "just don't play" confuses me...

HOW do we not play the game? (how do we stop playing, now that we know what they are up to?)

that's like telling someone who has never been in (or even close to) a body of water - to just go swim- they don't know HOW. so what happens when a person wants to cross the river- you give them some tools- "use a boat"...

Has anyone read the book "Jonathan Livingston Seagull"... ?... the part where Jon comes back from the advanced level and tells the birds
"just soar"- they don't get it - and Jon has to talk to them at their level of understanding...
so...
give us some tools that will help us refuse to play their game... ??

I have tried to point out the tools to you within the confines of the time and space we have available to us here.

Read the book The Creature From Jekyll Island, by G. Edward Griffin.

Go to the website www.freedomforceinternational.com

Uderstand what Ed Griffin is talking about. Start with the section in the websight entitled The Issues. Read and understand the information that site has to offer.

Again, the bottom line is to get out of debt, don't borrow "money," and avoid or at least minimize any tax on your income, through barter and the development of local affiliations and networks for exchanging goods and services. This is the way living and commerce were carried out for thousands of years, up until approximatley 1913 when the PTB got a stranglehold on us with the institution of the federal reserve and the imposition of the law that never was--the 18th Amnd.

I cannot tell you what steps you personally must take to get out of debt or what goods or services you have to offer. That is something each of us must decide and do for ourselves.

If you have not read the works of people like Depak Chopra or Ekhart Tolle (The Power of Now) I encourage you to do so. Being here now will help set you free and help you see that you have the tools to soar.

Good fortune to you.

Northern Boy

01-27-2010, 03:33 AM

*Everything is GOVERNED BY the “Uniform Commercial Codes” (UCC- started in [date]) under the Shipping Regulations of freight transported for International Trade and Commerce.

Jordan Maxwell explains some of this well Ships in the were often given a wide "berth" and upon arriving in port they had to register there cargo with the Harbor master in doing so they turned there cargo over to him for safe keeping now you register your kids house car boat the list goes on what do u think you have done?.... without thinking you gave it all away . it is no mistake that the court room has a railing inside of it separating the audience from the attorney`s and judge that railing symbolizes boarding a ship and thus coming under maritime or UCC law don`t cross the railing and you remain on dry land . Another thing you hear of is the docket this is the list of cases being heard in a court and prisoners sit in the dock just like a ship sits at the dock in a harbor....

lawyerforliberty

01-27-2010, 04:12 AM

Jordan Maxwell explains some of this well Ships in the were often given a wide "berth" and upon arriving in port they had to register there cargo with the Harbor master in doing so they turned there cargo over to him for safe keeping now you register your kids house car boat the list goes on what do u think you have done?.... without thinking you gave it all away . it is no mistake that the court room has a railing inside of it separating the audience from the attorney`s and judge that railing symbolizes boarding a ship and thus coming under maritime or UCC law don`t cross the railing and you remain on dry land . Another thing you hear of is the docket this is the list of cases being heard in a court and prisoners sit in the dock just like a ship sits at the dock in a harbor....

With all respect, this is an example of the sort of thing that appeals to one's interest and curiosity, but that can, and often does, lead down the wrong path and can cloud your judgement if it is not properly understood and placed in the appropriate context.

I'm not saying there is no maritime law, there is. I'm not saying that maritiime law has not been imported into the law of the land, including common law and statutory law, it has. What I'm saying is that while the stuff Maxwell talks about has elements of truth to it and it is interesting, if not fascinating, to listen to and read, I suggest that you not spend too much time on this berthing, bill of lading, stream of income flowing along the banks, gold finged flag stuff, unless your goal is simply to pass the time away and be entertained.

THE eXchanger

01-27-2010, 04:43 AM

for those of you who know me, you might find this funny
http://en.tackfilm.se/?id=1264546934766RA83

(make your own, and, distribute them widely)

shiftmonkey

01-27-2010, 04:50 AM

Ive seen it time and time again where someone fully equiped with knowledge of their rights comes into a courtroom and is called by the court. Within two minutes of them talking you will often hear a slight whisper from the judicial desk "just gonna stick this one to the bottom of the pile" , ahem, "next case". They are doing this constantly and are doing it because they know it works, and their sure as hell not gonna let everyone else in the courtroom see someone make a holy show of them.

[P.S - It did not take these people years to learn to this extent as someone else who has posted in this thread would have us believe. I am taking into consideration that you are all inteligent human beings capable of rational thought and inteligent discernment. Therefore i do not advise neither for nor against utilising any of the information presented in a rational and intelligent manner. I am however advising that you come to your own conclusions and take responsible action on your own initiative as is everyones god given ability]

The idea here is not to completely extinguish your corporate entity. A freeman excercising his rights to a knowledgable extent will always be operating as the "Agent" of his "Fiction" and therefore can avail of the benifits whilst still being able to waive any liability at any moment that see's fit. Such instances as when a "person" is being called in court, if that flesh and blood human being whom the person is attributed does not claim liability but instead stands their ground as its agent then they cannot be legally held liable for that which they have not accepted consentual responsibility for. It really is that simple. (Study this and it will become evident)

An observation i myself once had before becoming educated on the subject. It is far less time consuming, and far less turbulent then working within the current system. The most time consuming factor of all this is the time you will spend researching it once you get addicted to your god given freedom (its like crack)

The more people that start excercising their rights, the more inteligent witnesses who know their stuff will be sitting in front of the judge. We have great power in numbers, you just watch them squirm when faced with all these witnesses who truly and unevuiqally know their rights. Theres a lot of information on what you just asked here in the links ive provided previously, please do read as it will save me quite a bit of typing and coffee stains.

Thanks Jack :) That definitely clarifies things for me.

shiftmonkey

01-27-2010, 08:18 AM

EMPOWER YOURSELF

Educate yourself.

You do not have to be a prisoner in their mental trap.

You can be free.

You were born free.

And you always have the option to reclaim that freedom.

Be sovereign.

Take the aces out of their hand and put them in yours.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7040453665540929835&ei=iSsmSdmYBZzaqAONq_TFBw&q=BURSTING+BUBBLES+OF+GOVERNMENT+DECEPTION#

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=6729904244308031068#

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6487575410193274157#

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=436798682226252164#

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2029073635097751015&ei=EykmSd6zGZLsqAOstvSbCQ&q=Demockery#

Join the Freeman movement. We could use your support :thumb_yello:

Lets hit these bast@rds where it hurts.

Hey Jack,

I've been watching some of the videos. It's a very interesting approach and pretty straight forward.

Perhaps I missed it but is there a resource like a pdf file or a booklet that can be downloaded with all of the freeman documents that Maynard uses in one place?

Do you know of any groups (in the US) that gather to discuss these concepts on a regular basis? It would be very helpful to people if there were groups where one could pair up and do role playing to get the terminology down. Like one person would speak the lines of a cop and the other would have a chance to practice the proper responses. Do you know of anything like that going on?

Seashore

01-27-2010, 11:46 AM

Seashore

01-27-2010, 12:57 PM

I'm watching "Think Free: Bursting Bubbles of Government Deception."

I see that the film is by "Robert-Arthur: Menard."

The hyphen and the colon have something to do with his message, I guess.

Anyway, I put the video on pause right away because, first, I want to know the details of his child being taken away.

I looked up his website. Here is the "About Us" page:

http://www.thinkfree.ca/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5&Itemid=6

I guess the incident took place in Canada.

But I don't see any details about what happened in the year 2000.

Can anyone post a link for reading up on the details of this man's child being removed from his home by the state?

Seashore

01-27-2010, 02:22 PM

layman

Jack,

Are you not a layman?

In other words, are you an expert on this topic?

Jack

01-27-2010, 04:33 PM

Jack,

Are you not a layman?

In other words, are you an expert on this topic?

I wouldnt consider myself an expert, but i would consider myself educated on this subject to a fairy good degree. Like everyone else im still learning as i go along, but im more then happy to share the information that ive compiled so far.

I'd consider a layman someone who is unaware of the world in which they live, which is unfortunatly the majority of people you will meet while walking down the street.

Seashore

01-27-2010, 04:43 PM

I wouldnt consider myself an expert, but i would consider myself educated on this subject to a fairy good degree. Like everyone else im still learning as i go along, but im more then happy to share the information that ive compiled so far.

I'd consider a layman someone who is unaware of the world in which they live, which is unfortunatly the majority of people you will meet while walking down the street.

Thanks, Jack.

You have not actually implemented the techniques in your own life?

Jack

01-27-2010, 04:58 PM

Hey Jack,

I've been watching some of the videos. It's a very interesting approach and pretty straight forward.

Perhaps I missed it but is there a resource like a pdf file or a booklet that can be downloaded with all of the freeman documents that Maynard uses in one place?

I can send you a couple of pdf's that might help you out there. One of them is written using Ireland as an example, the other one Canada, and the third one Australia. Reading the three of them will give you an insight into how the systems works, as Ireland, Australia, United States, Canada and the UK have very similar systems. My computer just wiped out last night and i lost all of my data so im going to have to download them all again.

Do you know of any groups (in the US) that gather to discuss these concepts on a regular basis? It would be very helpful to people if there were groups where one could pair up and do role playing to get the terminology down. Like one person would speak the lines of a cop and the other would have a chance to practice the proper responses. Do you know of anything like that going on?

Without doubt there are groups doing this all over the United States, And the same goes for Canada, United Kingdom, Australia, and Ireland. It depends what state your in, If you can tell me that i'll find some groups near home for you.

Jack

01-27-2010, 05:21 PM

Thanks, Jack.

You have not actually implemented the techniques in your own life?

To date ive written my "Notice of understanding and intent and claim of right", have had it signed by a public notary, and witnessed by three people. This little document will be used in the case of any encounters with a police officer who wishes to enforce his statutes on me. It also states clearly that i am utilising my common law right to travel using my unregistered, untaxed, and uninsured conveyance of the day. At the moment im tying up some loose ends before embarking on this step, as im sure your aware, having an unregistered car on the road will indeed draw attention, so its not something to be taken lightely or without the correct knowledge and courage to implement that knowledge where needs be.

My main focus at the moment is on working out the Irish treasury system and finding out if it works in the same way as the Canadian system which can be taken advantage of in order to avail of the right to free education by discharging any student loans in such a manner that getting another student loan afterwords would create no implications, legal or otherwise.

I'm also in the process of legally discharging some Loans i had taken out a few years previously, this is looking good so far and im confident it will be succesful.

Seashore

01-27-2010, 05:47 PM

To date ive written my "Notice of understanding and intent and claim of right"...

Thanks again.

Do you know the answer to my question about the details of what happened in 2000 to Robert Arthur Menard regarding his child being taken away?

Jack

01-27-2010, 06:32 PM

I'm afraid i cant answer that question for you seashore, sorry.

Seashore

01-27-2010, 07:05 PM

I'm afraid i cant answer that question for you seashore, sorry.

Okay. Maybe someone else can post about it. I think it would be good to know the history of this, since evidently it is what started him doing the research that he did. And, I would like to know what he did at the time, other than the research, and what has happened in the intervening 10 years.

Jack

01-27-2010, 10:50 PM

Ok Seashore, after thinkin about what you said, i stumbled on Roberts youtube channel today. I'm pretty sure he would be more then happy to answer any questions you might have about what he went through and if and how it might apply to us today - http://www.youtube.com/user/mrmitee

Gnosis5

01-27-2010, 11:01 PM

The journalling or chronicling of the steps you are taking are very enlightening. I'm starting to feel I too can do this, just needed a little more insight into the details of enacting this process. Wise decision about the transport details.

shiftmonkey

01-28-2010, 12:18 AM

Shiftmonkey,

You've really got it together! :thumb_yello:

Wow.

Hey! Thanks :original:

shiftmonkey

01-28-2010, 12:58 AM

I can send you a couple of pdf's that might help you out there. One of them is written using Ireland as an example, the other one Canada, and the third one Australia. Reading the three of them will give you an insight into how the systems works, as Ireland, Australia, United States, Canada and the UK have very similar systems. My computer just wiped out last night and i lost all of my data so im going to have to download them all again.

Yes please send them when you recover your data. My email is paul (at) shiftpages (dot) com

Without doubt there are groups doing this all over the United States, And the same goes for Canada, United Kingdom, Australia, and Ireland. It depends what state your in, If you can tell me that i'll find some groups near home for you.

That would be helpful Jack. I'm in California in the USA. Specifically I'm interested in Robert's approach as it would be applied in the US. I did some searching and I didn't come up with much so any assistance would be appreciated.

Northern Boy

01-28-2010, 03:41 AM

there are various chapters set up on how to accomplish this goal including going to school to learn how please feelo free to join and research to see if this is right for you go here and view the sub forums America, Australia, Britain & Ireland, Canada, Europe, New Zealand, South Africa

http://forum.worldfreemansociety.org/index.php?sid=558fe25bfb978d831cca6d61e9c78c7e

shiftmonkey

01-28-2010, 04:03 AM

It is a lot easier to study to understand this issue than to try and figure out what Sir Abraxas is talking about on the Thuban thread :thumb_yello:

LOL!:lmao:

Gnosis5

01-30-2010, 01:47 AM

Here is another viewpoint to consider before deciding to confront the "illegal" system:

http://www.xeeatwelve.com/articles/irs.html

shiftmonkey

01-30-2010, 09:35 PM

Here is another viewpoint to consider before deciding to confront the "illegal" system:

http://www.xeeatwelve.com/articles/irs.html

The article itself strikes me as a load of half truths thrown together to deliberately confuse the issue... the very thing it claims to be exposing. This is counter-intelligence 101. The article tries to come off as helpful but it uses quite a bit of speculation, unsubstantiated reasoning and wild claims. I have personally run into this in the areas of alternative health/medicine and forestry conservation.

As stated in the article it is very likely that there are bogus sites and organizations set up to intentionally confuse and discredit the issue- but the article presents it in a way that creates fear and promotes a feeling of futility.

Agents do indeed infiltrate certain movements. I have friends who were some of the original members of The Farm. They expierienced this first hand and it nearly brought the whole thing down. http://www.thefarm.org

There is also an environmental group called Earth First! that is the poster child for this sort of thing. FBI agents planted a car bomb and killed one of their founders by the name of Judi Bari.

I am not mentioning these things to frighten or discourage anyone. There is a native American saying that that says "let fear never guide my feet". People wind up as victims in the game when they let their own egos get in the way... it blinds them and causes them to not be paying attention. I believe that there is a higher intuitive force that guides and protects people when intentions are pure and acted upon for the benefit of all sentient beings. There is nothing to fear.

xbusymom

02-04-2010, 10:49 PM

People wind up as victims in the game when they let their own egos get in the way... it blinds them and causes them to not be paying attention. I believe that there is a higher intuitive force that guides and protects people when intentions are pure and acted upon for the benefit of all sentient beings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2fBpbOitIk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie7gzEma8no&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G15ZW3TWczE

let the guidance of your strong emotional feeling help you to pay attention to what you want or don't want... pay attention to what you focus on and how you feel about what you are focusing on...

because ... well - listen to the videos- I can't explain it as well as Abraham...

Gnosis5

02-04-2010, 11:02 PM

Here it is:

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orthodoxymoron

02-04-2010, 11:05 PM

I don't want a solution. I just wanna b!+ch!! :mad3:

xbusymom

02-05-2010, 12:04 AM

Here it is:

thank you... now lets see if I can do that...
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yipee, I did... thank you

Gnosis5

02-05-2010, 12:07 AM

I don't want a solution. I just wanna b!+ch!! :mad3:

Since I have it on good authority that problems are apparencies, then go right ahead!!! :lmfao::lmfao:

xbusymom

02-05-2010, 12:20 AM

still under construction... but here is what I have so far...

_______
Notice of Understanding and Intent

Whereas-
1) I am an individual entity of mind-spirit that is incorporated within a physical body
2) and my persona is developed within that intrinsic merging of mind and body
3) and every piece of information that I receive, at any given moment, becomes incorporated into my persona and contributes to the further independent development of my persona and its knowledge base
4) and whatever informational data that becomes incorporated into the knowledge base of my persona, I then process and possess as my own information upon which I utilize to direct my daily activities.

And whereas the above persona informational knowledge base utilizes the language of the common English terms and definitions according to the usage and speech intentions of the general public society of which I am a member of in the area of the world I reside in -
1) I give authority to will expect
_________

Merrill?, somebody?- need a legal term for the concept of "will not comprehend any legaleze or lesser authority of common english"

Gnosis5

02-05-2010, 12:27 AM

I love how you put everything into a positive statement. Keep it up.

xbusymom

02-05-2010, 12:58 AM

Notice of Understanding and Intent
A) I am an Individual that is responsible to myself, my family, my community and my society and I recognize that self-government and self-control is the highest authority to which any individual, family, community, and society has a duty to command and obey.
Whereas-
1) I am an individual entity of mind-spirit that is incorporated within a physical body
2) and my persona is developed within that intrinsic merging of mind and body
3) and every piece of information that I receive, at any given moment, becomes incorporated into my persona and contributes to the further independent development of my persona and its knowledge base
4) and whatever informational data that becomes incorporated into the knowledge base of my persona, I then process and possess as my own information upon which I utilize to direct my daily activities.
--------------

ok -section A establishes
*the right to govern and control ourselves,
*that we are responsible and have a duty to obey the guidances of existing laws, statues, etc. of the society, and a right to change them accordingly
*that we will adopt any new information as our own (possession is 9/10's of the law -hehe - GOTCHA THERE! YOU BUGABOO GOVT "OWNERS"-AND STEALers OF FREE ENERGY PATENTS, ETC.-)** see my translation of Obama's speech at MIT- at thread "What If?" http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19678 post #6

xbusymom

02-05-2010, 03:53 AM

Draft #2 and my son wanted to know how to u\put in a section of defending (bear arms, etc) self -fam-comm-society... *expecially since i just got through ranting about a non-violence penalty fee within the document?

any ideas?

ok guys- pick it apart ...
am I missing anything else?

---------------------
Notice of Understanding and Intent

A) RIGHTS AND DUTIES
I am an Individual that is responsible to myself, my family, my community and my society and I recognize and determine that self-government and self-control is the highest authority to which any individual, family, community, and society has a duty to command and obey.
Whereas-
1) I am an individual entity of mind-spirit that is incorporated within a physical body
2) and my persona is developed within that intrinsic merging of mind and body
3) and every piece of information that I receive, at any given moment, becomes incorporated into my persona and contributes to the further independent development of my persona and its knowledge base
4) and whatever informational data that becomes incorporated into the knowledge base of my persona, I will then process and possess as my own information upon which I utilize to direct my daily activities.

B) TERMS AND DEFINITIONS
My ability to communicate BETWEEN, TO, FOR, and WITH the self-governed societal units mentioned above (self, family, community, and society) is solely determined by utilization and comprehension of the common language, actions, and interactions of that society.
Whereas -
1) I recognize that my persona and my informational knowledge base utilizes the language of the common English terms and definitions of the general public society, of which I am a member of in the area of the world I reside in, to determine the usage, interpretations, and intent of the speech, actions, and interactions BETWEEN, TO, FOR, and WITH members of the general public society and I recognize that the greater society of the general public has the highest authority to create and determine the terms and definitions, speech, actions and interactions of communications that are used BETWEEN, TO, FOR, and WITH others that reside within that society
2) and I determine that, in the event of encountering or conducting business with any or all of the societal units mentioned above or any lesser societal unit, the highest societal language authority will be given precedence and will remain in effect throughout all proceedings and communication efforts
3) and I determine that if I, as an individual of the greater general public society, do not comprehend all or any of the communications, at any given time or within any given circumstances and/or events, my decision to INITIATE, ABORT, CONTINUE, OR CLARIFY communications will rest solely with me and will remain the determining factor of said events

C) RESPONSIBILITIES AND REMEDIES
I agree and stipulate that each individual member of any and all societal units has the duty and responsibility to maintain peace and honor in any and all communication efforts, actions, and interactions BETWEEN, TO, FOR, and WITH other individuals and/or groups of other societal units.
Whereas-
4) I recognize and determine that all or any communication efforts, actions, and interactions BETWEEN, TO, FOR, and WITH all or any of the societal units mentioned above will remain calm, polite, and non-violent
5) and that, in the event that communication efforts, actions, and interactions did not remain calm, polite, and non-violent throughout all communication efforts, actions, and interactions BETWEEN, TO, FOR, and WITH individuals and/or societal units, I stipulate that a dishonorable act has been committed against myself and will exact a PENALTY fee of $10,000 USD per incident from the offending individual societal member AND from the offending lesser societal unit that the individual member belongs to and is acting under the guidance of at the time of the offending event.

tonyotag

02-08-2010, 04:24 AM

Right, precious metals currency. However, another approach I have seen and approve of is small towns and villages printing their own currency and for the most part trading among themselves. If farmers and manufacturers can be assured that the bills they were just given can be used to purchase in the store then everyone wins. It is a step of convenience above the barter system. People in small communities would have to clearly join ranks more so than in the past.

I somewhat disagree, I understand to trade locally and use resources wisely; but when disaster happens the most liquid of assets will be needed to get outside help. Gold, silver, copper, and other common periodic elements will and can be come the best tradig commodity (copper because of its uses in cooking and other important trades.) The second thing is, that acedemically, we the people need to figure out a way to obsolete currency; and I technically mean to obsolete it, make currency, wehther commodity or fiat, to become a barberic thing to use for trading. Even better yet, make tradeing a thing of despriate need. (Hint: one can use biology and economics togeter to expalin why the current theories being used by accedima is not helpful to the proper evolution of the human species to survive on a crowed planet such as this one.)

Gnosis5

02-08-2010, 04:39 AM

Yes, those above ground and underground Think Tanks are thinking themselves into the Great Sink. Like a Paris sidewalk, you don't want to step into their dog doo :-)

xbusymom

02-15-2010, 12:08 AM

too many new words and concepts that they have not encountered before and most of it goes in one ear and out the other without any grasp on the actual message your trying to get accross.

you are right, which reminded me that the message is not to impart actual dates and correct info- but to generate curiosity and get people to start doing some research and get them to wake up...

so here is the legal flyer...

xbusymom

02-15-2010, 01:28 AM

And here is the fixed Solar flyer...

Gnosis5

02-15-2010, 04:21 AM

I've got a solution: Let's all decide that problems don't actually exist!!!
TA, DA!!!

xbusymom

02-15-2010, 07:02 AM

I've got a solution: Let's all decide that problems don't actually exist!!!
TA, DA!!!

you are sooo right... but most people can't get the hang of jumping over steps 1-2-3-and 4 to get to the 5th step...

------------
Here is the next flyer... food

Gnosis5

02-15-2010, 10:54 PM

You are one smart busymom. I bet those children can't pull any wool over your eyes, lol.

Yes, as any mother knows, one has to take it step by step.

xbusymom

02-17-2010, 07:45 AM

I think I have come up with a way to hurry the 100th monkey effect...
if we can gather all the current and working new paradigm "stuff-projects-documents" that we want to get out to everybody- in a sort of one-stop file cabinet- and then put copies of entire file cabinet in as many spots as we can...

I have been working with...
http://the2012alliance.com/phpbb3/index.php

and I set up my forum board http://thetruthpuzzle.net/2012alliance/ as a initial test case (still needs to be worked on)

and I found this guy http://theyes.ning.com/page/ at "theYES.net" with a great organizing idea that needs help to get going (got the link from http://thegreatgathering.org/ ) *which btw they have cleaned off all the ringtone links and is now a functioning forum board...

and then there's the thinkfreeforums.org site (re-set up after a crash) http://synworks.net/thinkfree/index.php?sid=6cc0c76d7067b3e021512835d8982bea

and then whenever you come across another "finished puzzle-piece" add that to the file cabinets you know of...

It would be that much harder for TPTB to find all the crumbs and sweep them under the carpet...

xbusymom

02-18-2010, 06:55 PM

another flyer-
Legal #2