Human looking alien clones are a reality and live among us

[Carol]

Human looking alien clones are a reality

A couple of weeks ago I had the opportunity to have lunch with Paola Harris and Stefano Breccia, an Italian Engineer, expert in computer graphics, telecommunications and a University Professor that wrote Mass Contacts (in English now at Amazon.com and AuthorHouse) about his experience as a contactee with WT56 and CTRs (clones ~ artificial offspring, generated by the W56s themselves) beginning in 1956. His experience is with two opposing groups of aliens who had an underground base situated near the Adriatic coast near Pescara who mingled among the residents and various important political figures. The “big base” had a ceiling 300 meters high, so that, at times, it was even raining inside it. This mass contact has been going on for 30 years, plus.

Stefano had just published his book (recently translated into English) of contacts with these human type aliens whose height ranges from 6–20 feet tall (photos included). Paola is a friend of Stefano and helped bring him over to Hawaii for his first presentation in the US at the conference here in Kona. Mass Contact is based on documented evidence and the memories of many years of contact.

When we were talking, I asked Stefano how old he was when he was first contacted. He said, age twenty. He is now 70. He told me that he and his University friend used to meet at night to discuss their course work (mathematical oriented equations). On one evening, after his friend left and was walking home, Stefano had an experience of bi-location where he was in both his apartment and where his friend was walking home along the boulevard who was staring up into the night sky looking at a UFO. Next, Stefano experienced himself in the office of one of the alien contacts (tri-location, where his consciousness was in all three locations simultaneously) the contact told Stefano to be there in the office on Monday morning. This was the beginning of Stefano’s 9-years of personal interactions with Project “Amiciza” (Friendship).

This group of aliens called themselves W56 as the W stood for double “V” ~ victory over the task at hand and victory over the self. Stefano then told me about the CTRs (clones) that the W56’s made of themselves and of the disastrous outcome between the two. CTR stands for contrary and for some unknown reason these clones are without morals. The CTRs destroyed the W56 underground bases and set off to eliminate their alien brothers. The clones look human and no one would be able to see that they are not. There are left brain (technical) oriented and not spiritual like the W56s are. Stefano proceeded to tell me this story of how this one female CTR has been stalking him, calling him on the telephone (he has recordings of the calls) and recently attempted to run him over in her car when he was walking along the street. He managed to save himself. However, later that same evening she called him up to congratulate him for still being alive. He told me he didn’t take what she did personally as that is how she is programmed to be… meaning she is what she is. He also mentioned that he had seen her in the London airport on his way here to the Island but didn’t know why she was there.

I will include more information in my own book on human looking aliens but encourage those who wish to know more about the W56s to get Stefano’s book Mass Contact. There also is an excellent interview between Paola Harris and Stefano in her new book Exopolitics: All of the Above and can be viewed on her website at: http://www.paolaharris.com/masscontactinterview.html

Stefano also said that their W56’s spoke plain Italian and other languages, even Latin and Sanskrit. They made contact using radio sets as receivers or telephones or video sets that were typically turned off and turned on by themselves. Most of the current W56s live on small bases or in plain sight within our environment.

He also described how there were many different human looking alien groups that interact with our day-to-day life. Aside from the W56’s and the CTR’s, Stefano’s book quotes also the Elta V’s, the UTI’s, and the Ummites. All of them are human-like, with only minor differences, height among them. There are skeletons of giants and I also have photos of some of the tallest men of earth. However, I would suspect that the taller W56s are located in their underground bases.

The primary reason I am sharing this info on the forum is because of how some of the members here have been treating TTTTW. Alien human looking clones are real. To what extent they are out there in our societies around the planet we have no clue. We don’t even know if the governments know. We also don’t know what they are all up to and this in and of itself is worth investigating.

UPDATED JAN 2011 ~ CONTINUED AT THE MISTS OF AVALON http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t1494p15-the-et-agenda#30056

[JudgeMental]

Namaste. Thank you for sharing this information Carol. There was a lot of stuff on YouTube about Bush being a clone.

This was on Zeta Report in regard to Bush clones....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxiYacwT7es&feature=related

[Stardustaquarion]

Namaste. Thank you for sharing this information Carol. There was a lot of stuff on YouTube about Bush being a clone.

This was on Zeta Report in regard to Bush clones....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxiYacwT7es&feature=related

The question is, why will the zetas be populating the world when even TPTB believes that there will be pole shift in 2012?

Even Cliff High is convinced of that

Aren't the Zetas more advanced than us to know whether something like that may occur?

Interesting

Thank you for posting this

Love

[giovonni]

Greetings Carol,

Very interesting, I tend to believe your professor friends story, there might be many such bases scattered accross and within our planet?

I've read other accounts of such interactions and things over the last 20 years.

I have followed Paola Harris work and find her very credible :thumb_yello:

I am excited to investigate and read what's posted on her site!

Note, can you explain and expand upon this...

"The primary reason I am sharing this info on the forum is because of how some of the members here have been treating TTTTW. "
I get a bit lost sometimes, while trying to follow and comprehend all the terms and abbreviations use on the forum? :lmfao:

Gio

[eleni]

Thank you for sharing this- I put the book in my Amazon cart and am off to read the interview...

[eleni]

The question is, why will the zetas be populating the world when even TPTB believes that there will be pole shift in 2012?

Even Cliff High is convinced of that

Aren't the Zetas more advanced than us to know whether something like that may occur?

Interesting

Thank you for posting this

Love

Perhaps they are going to be reseeded on this planet after population is wiped out- this is what they have alluded to me (not that I trust them) during my various abductions with them.

[eleni]

Greetings Carol,

Very interesting, I tend to believe your professor friends story, there might be many such bases scattered accross and within our planet?

I've read other accounts of such interactions and things over the last 20 years.

I have followed Paola Harris work and find her very credible :thumb_yello:

I am excited to investigate and read what's posted on her site!

Note, can you explain and expand upon this...

"The primary reason I am sharing this info on the forum is because of how some of the members here have been treating TTTTW. "
I get a bit lost sometimes, while trying to follow and comprehend all the terms and abbreviations use on the forum? :lmfao:

Gio

Time To Tell The World is a member of this forum and has been warning us of cloning activities.

[Carol]

The clones are very good at blending in with the different societies and cultures of this world. Different alien type clones enjoy life here on this planet. Stefano said that they even enjoy drinking (but easily detox afterwards), smoking, driving flashy cars, playing tennis and are CEOs of various companies. He said they told him out of all of the planets in the universe there are only 50 like earth and earth is the most beautiful. We are the prime resort area in the galaxy. :lol3:

Now if we could just get our collective act together and get the clean-up underway.

I know of Dr. Jacobs who wrote about how the grey alien hyridization project was to take over the planet and live within the "hive" mind. Lots of luck. The experience of "hive" mind was used in the TV series "V". Having had one experience with this all I can add is that it is very seductive. I can see where some could easily become emotionally addicted to the experience just as an alcoholic becomes chemically addicted to alcohol. However, the "hive" mind experience is limited to the Insectoid alien experience, whereas humans are hard wired to experience supra consciousness (which is a conscious experience of zero point quantum physics at the interdimensional Universal level). This experience is so, so much more then "hive" mind. In the "hive mind" collective one experiences being connected to the other members of the collective. Indeed, it is a wonderful experience and if one never had the experience of "God or Christ Consciousness" could easily mistake "Hive" mind for the real thing.

Those on the spiritual path seek to experience singularity where they feel connected to something that is much bigger then just one shared alien form of consciousness. A metaphor that may help describe the difference is how one who is spiritually thirsty mistakes the puddle (or pot hole) for the ocean. Thirst may be quenched but the experience of a greater sense of belonging to all that is ~ is confined within "hive" mind. Personally I've experienced and now think the goal of the human spirit is to transcend limitations, intellectual and emotional constructs including the experience of duality whereby one slips like a shining dewdrop into the oceanic sea of cosmic consciousness.

I am also convinced that humans and aliens are all on a spiritual path but just at different rungs on the ladder. We are all part of Cosmic Consciousness and all created from the same source. Humans are at an exciting juncture and believe it or not we need even more humans on the planet to make the collective shift to higher consciousness. The only thing I can suggest is to be kind and continue to view all of life in the same collective soup pot.

[Myplanet2]

Human looking alien clones are a reality

Mass Contact is based on documented evidence and the memories of many years of contact.

Alien human looking clones are real.

We also don’t know what they are all up to but clearly, in this specific example of CTRs, we do know they are dangerous and without morals… meaning killing is something that comes easy to them.

Carol, some of what you post here begs elaboration. Specifically, What documented evidence? And when you say Alien human looking clones are real, what proof have you for this statement?

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

There are so many claims of these sorts, and so little proof to back them up. It usually comes down to credibility of the witnesses. That's too shaky a basis for belief, in my opinion. To me, credibility says something like, "I tend to believe this unproven statement, because....." Claims such as these, that "Alien human looking clones are real" must be backed up with more than belief, or they need to be rephrased more realistically, like "I believe that....." or "it seems likely that...." or "if what so and so says is true, then....."

MP2

[AscendingStarseed]

Thank you for sharing this information...it's a subject of great interest lately, living in LA it would be nice to have a Cloning for Dummies guide. Like a directory to give you some idea what to look for in general characteristics or maybe a defining birthmark...errr test tube mark! :naughty:

There are some very strange people here in lalaland. As a people watcher, it would make life so much more interesting if we were able to differentiate the clones from the shapeshifting reptilians, and the humanoids from other dimensions from the people here on Earth...

Once disclosure finally takes place, this will be a very interesting planet to live on when things have settled and races from all over the Universe are here vacationing with the family or on here on business.

[gibonos]

Carol, some of what you post here begs elaboration. Specifically, What documented evidence? And when you say Alien human looking clones are real, what proof have you for this statement?

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

There are so many claims of these sorts, and so little proof to back them up. It usually comes down to credibility of the witnesses. That's too shaky a basis for belief, in my opinion. To me, credibility says something like, "I tend to believe this unproven statement, because....." Claims such as these, that "Alien human looking clones are real" must be backed up with more than belief, or they need to be rephrased more realistically, like "I believe that....." or "it seems likely that...." or "if what so and so says is true, then....."

MP2

I'm totally with you on this one.
Altough I wish it was true that there are 49 other earths around and I could go on vacation to all of them :)

gibonos

[mntruthseeker]

I have followed Paola Harris work myself and find her to be creditable aslo

I read a report not too long ago right here off P/A it was printed regarding clones and even indicated that Dolly Pardon was a clone herself hmmmm, One just never knows

Every time I see a Giant or a small person I wonder if they are visitors. Also humans born with tree limbs or 4 arms etc................my mind never shuts down anymore

Thanks so much Carol for sharing this.

[lightblue]

Hi Carol
Why do you think the woman wanted to murder Stefano in the first place?

Hi Eleni
which group do you think abducted you (the one you mentioned beling liars)

thanks

best wishes

[gscraig]

Hello Carol,

Thanks for posting. I've heard of this Paolo Harris before. I believe Michael Salla did some type of article on human looking beings that reside in Hawaii.

This isn't the first time human looking clones have been mentioned via this forum and other places including the WATCHER thread. However, I would like to take some exception to the below quote...

The primary reason I am sharing this info on the forum is because of how some of the members here have been treating TTTTW.

I would prefer to believe that the more prevailing reason this info was shared, was to make others aware of this possibility, not to give TTTW some level of support.

My issue with TTTW is his approach, preaching to the choir, and making non-stop posts to point out his claim/concern. The problem is, the message based on his experience was received as are many others on this forum, but exactly what else is he wanting us here on Avalon to do? Rather we believe him or not, his logic for continuing his mundane and disruptive approach became the dismantling of his proclaimed intent IMO. Again, there's nothing more that can be done other than reading and/or heeding his advice, so at some point he needs to stop bombarding us again and again with his message.

When TTTW is asked for clarity, the answers become defensive and then accusatory and suspicious of those inquiring. "That" is why I have personally treated his message (not him) like the plague, and will continue to do so, regardless if I believe him or not. Perhaps it is time for the moderators to look more closely at TTTW and his activity to determine if enough is enough already.

Despite your efforts Carol, TTTW's and your information for that matter, it may still ring inconclusive to many as MP2 pointed out, but we (TTTW) can't continue to hammer away hoping for a response based on inconclusive evidence.

[Moxie]

edited to remove, had a boy oh boy day!

[eleni]

Hi Carol
Why do you think the woman wanted to murder Stefano in the first place?

Hi Eleni
which group do you think abducted you (the one you mentioned beling liars)

thanks

best wishes

Lightblue- I personally don't know where thay are from- they told me they are from the future and that they are us/we are you.

When I was younger, they were pearl colored 3 foot tall beings with very large heads, I've had dozens of MILABS, encounters with human type beings and some greys as well. Over the years they have become more human and streamlined (head smaller, eyes smaller) So it's a mixed bag of humanoid/various grey faction.

[Chamber]

Stefano had just published his book (recently translated into English) of contacts with these human type aliens whose height ranges from 6–20 feet tall (photos included).

Excellent. Let's see the photos.

[eleni]

Hello Carol,

Thanks for posting. I've heard of this Paolo Harris before. I believe Michael Salla did some type of article on human looking beings that reside in Hawaii.

This isn't the first time human looking clones have been mentioned via this forum and other places including the WATCHER thread. However, I would like to take some exception to the below quote...



I would prefer to believe that the more prevailing reason this info was shared, was to make others aware of this possibility, not to give TTTW some level of support.

My issue with TTTW is his approach, preaching to the choir, and making non-stop posts to point out his claim/concern. The problem is, the message based on his experience was received as are many others on this forum, but exactly what else is he wanting us here on Avalon to do? Rather we believe him or not, his logic for continuing his mundane and disruptive approach became the dismantling of his proclaimed intent IMO. Again, there's nothing more that can be done other than reading and/or heeding his advice, so at some point he needs to stop bombarding us again and again with his message.

When TTTW is asked for clarity, the answers become defensive and then accusatory and suspicious of those inquiring. "That" is why I have personally treated his message (not him) like the plague, and will continue to do so, regardless if I believe him or not. Perhaps it is time for the moderators to look more closely at TTTW and his activity to determine if enough is enough already.

Despite your efforts Carol, TTTW's and your information for that matter, it may still ring inconclusive to many as MP2 pointed out, but we (TTTW) can't continue to hammer away hoping for a response based on inconclusive evidence.

Mods are on this- it's a rather delicate situation to be exact. You are not alone in your feelings.

The way experiences, theories, facts are presented should not be overlooked - people get turned off by aggressive approaches including myself.

[UncleJohn]

I have the view that most of we humans are DNA modified & mind controlled (including myself)... why else are we "in the dark" like we are, groping to know and understand the Science of Life. To me, science and the spirit of life are one and the same...

Moxie, you are all right in my view. Thank you for your perspective and stating it so succinctly.

[lightblue]

thanks eleni
Lightblue- I personally don't know where thay are from- they told me they are from the future and that they are us/we are you.

When I was younger, they were pearl colored 3 foot tall beings with very large heads, I've had dozens of MILABS, encounters with human type beings and some greys as well. Over the years they have become more human and streamlined (head smaller, eyes smaller) So it's a mixed bag of humanoid/various grey faction


i would like to knowif these many encounters left you with a general overwhelming impression...if so, what emotion would be the closest? if not, how many left you feeling you are being loved and supported and how many were menacing? of course if you can remember...if you wre abducted and experimented on, do you think some of the beings implanted a device, a chip somewhere inside your body? Is there any way do you think you can repel the occurances? i mean, in this meantime, did you manage to teach yourself some self help prior or during the contacts? thanks.

[Magamud]

Excellent thread on piercing the exopolitical landscape. Thankyou!

[orthodoxymoron]

What if souls evolved before there was a Universe? What if these souls precipitated the Big Bang? What if...in the beginning...God said "You'll get a bang out of this!" and said "Let there be light" after successfully deriving and invoking the Schroedinger Wave Equation? What if these souls genetically engineered both evolving Reptilian Dinoids and Mammalians...into Reptilian Beings and Human Beings...in a laboratory called Intelligent Design Incorporated aka Eden Enterprises aka The Garden of Eden? What if these souls reincarnated into these beings while continuing to perfect them?

Then...add jealosy, hatred, and administrative challenges...and one might end up with Theocracy, Enslavement, Star Wars, and Masters of the Universe. There may have never been an All Loving, All Knowing, All Present, All Powerful Super God. We may have been pretty much on our own...right from the beginning. There may have been thousands of Gods and Goddesses...both Human and Reptilian...throughout Universal History. Universal History might turn out to be one big Race War between Humans and Reptilians. Some of these Gods and Goddesses might be living in our Solar System...and posting messages on the internet! Just speculation...as usual.

I still want to get to the bottom (or top) of who Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer really are...historically and presently. Could they be engaged in a three-way power struggle for the bodies, minds, and souls of the Human Race?

:mfr_omg:Namaste:mfr_omg:

[silverlightning]

I really wish I had something direct and personal to go by, not only other peoples experiences and theories. How many of the stories we read here on the forum are based on first hand experiences?

It is way to easy to get caught up in a nihilistic thought experiment that looses it's connection with what's relevant.

[orthodoxymoron]

I really wish I had something direct and personal to go by, not only other peoples experiences and theories. How many of the stories we read here on the forum are based on first hand experiences?

It is way to easy to get caught up in a nihilistic thought experiment that looses it's connection with what's relevant.

Unfortunately...that which is represented as being direct and personal...often does not ring true to me...and does not seem to be connected with what's relevant...leaving me with my nihilistic thought experiments and other nepharious devices such as the masturbation of the mind. I suspect that a lot of "direct and personal" experiences involve deceptive and malevolent entities. So I'll pass on most of that. Oh wretched man that I am. I really don't enjoy doing this. So why do I do it? Maybe it's sort of like the guy who hits his head against a brick wall...because it feels so good when he stops! Maybe I should stop. Maybe I will.

:wall:Namaste:original:

[silverlightning]

:- )

We can trace these angels through evolvement of different religions, and through their different aspects and attributes regardless of figure and religion.

There are no firm ground, clear boundaries or definitions. What's there to study are fleeting and ever evolving narratives intertwined that gets their meaning and relevance through people and events. The story that is physical and material is there to be observed in us humans.

[Carol]

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_aliens/vida_alien18zd_01.jpg

This is a photo of a W56 and one of the pictures included in Stefano's book Mass Contact. This human looking alien is approximately 7-8 feet tall living near Pescara, Italy.

Paola Harris's interview with Maurizio Cavallo is at this link. I'm not sure if it will work but one can google it if they wish to see what Maurizio has to say about his contacts.

As I both watched Stefano's presentation and had several conversations with him ~ and given his background and credentials, I believed him. He was consistent in what he had to share and had the hard evidence. This is a topic I've personally been involved with for years and devoted hundreds of hours researching and talking with various contactees. The information shared regarding Stefano's experiences is factual. Whether the reader chooses to accept the facts or not really isn't the issue. It is up to the reader to do their own investigation and research which will lead to the truth of the matter. The truth will always be the truth.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/imagenes_aliens/vida_alien18zd_01.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/esp_vida_alien_18zd.htm&usg=__xedAFTsL9EqqjvlMDecxaVpodY4=&h=264&w=352&sz=23&hl=en&start=81&um=1&tbnid=ey3aag8MwRRuXM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=120&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dhumanoid%2Balien%2Bimages%26ndsp%3D21 %26hl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den%26sa%3DN%2 6start%3D63%26um%3D1

Nor sure if this will work. Nope... I was trying to give the links to all of the following but they didn't transfer over. However, this list offers a number of professional people's experiences and also the experiences of contactees.




- Abducciones - de 'Encuentro en Las Pleyades'

- Abducción Extraterrestre, Posesión Demoníaca, y La Leyenda del Vampiro

- Abduction and The Reptilians

- Abductions - Life in The Vivarium

- Alien Abductions - from 'Blue Planet Project - Alien Technical Research 25'

- An Alien Abduction Account

- CoEVOLUTION - An Interplanetary Adventure

- Cosmic Watergate Collapsing - The Elephant is Stampeding in the Living Room

- Demonization of Extraterrestrials

- Ethical Implications of The UFO Abduction Phenomenon

- ET Slave Trade - An Alien-Abductee Slave Trade?

- Eve Francis Lorgen

- Genetic Agenda - A Double-Cross?

- Implants, Abductions and Other Stuff

- Is Jimmy Carter a UFO/ET Abductee? - On The Road To Roswell & Burlington 2008: A Discussion With Jon Kelly

- John E. Mack - Alien Abductions Research - Main File

- Kidnapped by UFOs? - Interview With John Mack

- Kundalini Tales - An Interview With Richard Sauder

- Palyne Janku Gaenir

- Pamela Hamilton

- Possession and Predation - Aliens, Flyers, Clones, and Reptilians / The Enigma of ET Parasites

- Resistencia a las Abducciones Alienígenas

- "Strange Evidence" - International UFO Reporter (IUR) 1999

- The Abduction and Manipulation of Humans Using Advanced Technology

- The Andreasson Affair

- The Controllers - A New Hypothesis of Alien Abductions

- The Conversion of Whitley

- The Fifth Briefing - What They Want - from Book Two of "The Allies of Humanity"

- The High Strangeness of Dimensions, Densities, and The Process of Alien Abduction

- The Late Karla Turner Speaks of Reptilian Atrocities

- The Meaning Behind Alien Abductions

- The Other Side of Truth - Abductions and Abductees

- The Outer Limits of The Soul - UFO Abductees


- The Threat - The Secret Agenda - What the Aliens Really Want... And How They Plan to Get It

- The UFO Abduction Phenomenon - What Does it Mean for The Transformation of Human Consciousness?

- The Zeta Reticuli Incident - Betty and Barney Hill

- Why The Abduction Phenomenon Cannot Be Explained Psychiatrically

- Winifred Barton And The Holy Cosmic Cube From Outer Space

- Zeta Reticuli Interaction With Earth - Main File


Additional Information

- A Close Encounter With Critics

- Aliens Among Us

- Alien Thinking

- Ancient Hawaiian Healing and UFO Alien Abductions

- An Interview With John E. Mack

- Are Aliens Already Here? - Harvard's Controversial John Mack Thinks He May Have The Answer

- Are Extraterrestrial Biological Entities Among Us?

- Biomechanical Messiahs - The Nigel Kerner Interview

- Brain Zapping

- Dan Sherman - Way Above Black - A Video Interview With Dan Sherman

- Discerning Alien Disinformation

- Discriminando Desinformación Alienígena

- El Mordisco de Amor - Dramas de Relaciones Humanas Orquestadas por Alienígena

- Extraterrestrial False Flag Operation to Begin in August, 2007? - Main File

- Fairies and UFOs?

- Fake “Alien Abductions” Conducted by Shadow Government Para-Military Operatives (MILABS)

- How to Contend With Aliens During Direct Interactions - from 'Alien Mind-A Primer - The Verdants'

- Italy’s Disclosure of Human Looking Aliens

- Methods of Deception - A List of Common Pitfalls Encountered by Truthseekers

- Overlooked Aspects of The Alien Presence

- Passport to The Cosmos - An Interview With John Mack

- Psychophysiological Responding During Script-Driven Imagery in People Reporting Abduction by Space Aliens

- Scientists Assess DNA Hair Sample From Human Being Apparently Not From Earth

- The Abduction Narrative of Charles Robert Jenkins

- The Art of Hyper Dimensional War

- The Contact Has Begun - Phillip Krapf and The Verdants


- The Divine and The Manipulative Extraterrestrials - Effects on Humanity's Religions, Beliefs and Others made by... - Main File

- The Greys, Rigel and Procyon - A Tentative Taxonomy of Extra-Terrestrial Humanoids

- The High Strangeness of Dimensions, Densities, and The Process of Alien Abduction - Book Review

- The Love Bite - Alien Orchestrated Human Bonding Dramas

- The Mars Records - Main File

- The World's First DNA PCR Investigation of Biological Evidence From an Alien Abduction

- Tuatha De Danann - Ancient Aliens?

- UFOs - The Psychic Dimension

- Virgin Pregnancies and Alien DNA Problems

- Wisdom of The Higher Extraterrestrials


Books and Treaties

- Captured - The Betty and Barney Hill UFO Experience - The True Story of the Worlds First... - by Stanton T.Friedman

- CE-VI - Close Encounters of The Possession Kind - Interference From The Extraterrestrials Among Us - by William J. Baldwin

- Divine Encounters - A Guide to Visions, Angels and Other Emissaries - by Zecharia Sitchin

- Into the Fringe - A True Story of Alien Abduction- by Karla Turner

- Masquerade of Angels - by Karla Turner

- Story of A UFO Investigator - by Barbara Bartholic

- Taken - Inside the Alien-Human Agenda - by Karla Turner

- The Mission of The One Star - Transforming Planet Earth to Planet Star - by Alloya. N. Huckfield

- The Otherness - A Personal Interaction - by Tim Watts

- The Threat - Revealing The Secret Alien Agenda - by David M. Jacobs

- Visitors From Within - Extraterrestrial Encounters and Species Evolution - by Lyssa Royal and Keith Priest

Multimedia

- Experiencers - John E. Mack

- Military E/T Abductions - with Barbara Lamb

- Touched

- Transcending The Dualistic Mind - Transpersonal Psychology - John E. Mack

Related Reports

- Consciousness And The Conscious Universe - Main File

- Contact and Contactees - Main File

[Humble Janitor]

Don't take this the wrong way, but what specifically makes Paola credible?

I really want to believe stuff like this but my ******** detector seems to act up too much when it shouldn't.

[Carol]

With respect to TTTTW... Some come to the forum with a history that is very traumatic and unfortunately this is the place where they may feel safe to share their story because there is no one else, no witness who is available to listen, or even believe in the possibility that what is shared is real to the person in distress.

We are adults here and if a member's story is something that is disturbing or vexing, then sometimes the best course of action is not to participate in that thread or with that member. This means do not click on the member's thread or respond to what is being shared by that particular member. These types of members can also be a test of true unconditional love for those whom come in contact with them. Being a witness... assuming the responsibility of fellow-ship to another human by choosing to be part of a healing process requires a compassionate heart and steady nerves. And sometimes the member's experience just needs to be shared and that is enough. And sometimes it's not.

It would be very easy to just toss everyone who is annoying off the forum. Yet who benefits from this...? All those who are stable and don't want to see the boat rocked?

Each member's situation is unique and often we just don't know the ramifications of unkind words or unkind actions until the damage has been done. The question here with respect to TTTTW is exceptionally a sensitive one. What do you do when you know someone may be homeless, friendless, totally afraid of everyone and doesn't feel safe in the world? It would be easy to just say he or she is crazy. Yet I've seen very sane people feel and act very crazy when their world crumbles around them. Hence, the dark night of the soul.

Somewhere on this life journey one may hit bottom, go through the dark night of the soul and hopefully come out the other side. I suspect many here may have experienced this at one time or another... however, kicking someone when they are down is a pretty common practice in the animal kingdom, including the human animal. Yet, here we all are and profess to be spiritual beings who are in a human body on a human "spiritual" journey of growth and transformation. Our very ego humanness oftens want a rational, well organized world because chaos is too scary. Someone who is really "out there" can also be scary because it is a personal reminder of just how fragil the ego really is. When this happens there is often a sense of helplessness and not knowing what to do. Yet we also know that these unique souls are heros because they are still in the world trying to make the best of their difficult situation and didn't give up. We should be applauding their efforts and letting them know that when everything is said and done, it took a tremendous amount of courage to live through it all.

Irrespective of what is going with various people on the forum an act of kindness in the face of someone's acting out... in this instance not reacting to what is being posted but instead, choosing to respond in a tactful manner, or not to respond at all is of benefit to the collective consciousness. From a spiritual perspective each individual is of value whether we can see it or not and is worthy of respect.

[Carol]

Paola is the Barbara Walters of Ufology. She is out for just the facts from notables in government, military and professionals who put integrity first.

[Wormhole]

Carol,
I KNOW that the bionic or manufactured humans are real. That is all I can say, right now. But they have been walking among us for a long time. The NEW ones that have just come in are another matter and differ from the earth based manufactured ones that have been here for the last twenty or so years.

Worm

[burgundia]

I'm totally with you on this one.


gibonos

Me too....

[lightblue]

Eleni, you know when you wrote

Lightblue- I personally don't know where thay are from- they told me they are from the future and that they are us/we are you.

i am guessing you remember what they looked/acted like..may i know?..how did they speak if they spoke?..what did they wear and what were the circumstances under which they appeared?.how long did they stay with you and how did they leave? how did you feel during and after the encounter/s?

also, is there a pattern (that you can remember) of pleasent and/or not so pleasent beings visiting you? can you remember what was your own state of spiritual wellbeing prior to these visits..can you draw a paralel between you own emotional states and the nature of your visitors...i am beginning to think that amongst the ones who "attract" visitations are very different spiritual make ups..and that our spiritual make ups may attract this or that type of entities ..it would be very interesting to know your experience in that regard. if you already wrote about it on this forum, please give a link so you don't have to repeat yourself if it's a bother. thanks.

Carol, why does Stefano think he was on that woman's hit list? why do you think they/she wanted to murder him? thanks
bestest

[Luminari]

I just bought the 'Mass Contacts' book this morning, thanks for providing more info on this Carol. Very intriguing...

[Kulapops]

I really wish I had something direct and personal to go by, not only other peoples experiences and theories. How many of the stories we read here on the forum are based on first hand experiences?

It is way to easy to get caught up in a nihilistic thought experiment that looses it's connection with what's relevant.

I totally agree. I think the only real thing is our own connection to our own experience. Everything else is just story.

That's why I'm all for the path of self discovery and self learning, connection to source a universal one and moving from duality to unity. These thing are definitely something everyone can experience. So it works for me.

When I read that someone states that there are 50 planets like the Earth in the whole universe - it just gets my hackles up. How do we know that fact is correct? You might just as well go the whole hog and say there is only ONE planet in the universe like the Earth, and that is the Earth...

The christians will love you for it.

The number of planetary bodies in the whole universe is immense.

"For the Universe, the galaxies are our small representative volumes, and there are something like 1011 (means 10 to the 11, a one followed by eleven zeroes!) to 1012 stars in our galaxy, and there are perhaps something like 1011 or 1012 galaxies.

With this simple calculation you get something like 1022 to 1024 stars in the Universe. This is only a rough number, as obviously not all galaxies are the same, just like on a beach the depth of sand will not be the same in different places. "

I can't even imagine a race of beings could even know how many planets like ours there are in total... let alone have developed a Rough Guide....

K

P.S. I should add for clarity that I'm not doubting the existence of aliens among us or clones - I have no idea, so I'll have to take people's experiences as they say. However, little facts thrown into the mix like the 50 planet rule just stand out to me as far too convenient to be true. But why would someone say that if it wasn't true? It just causes a disonance in me that refuses to resonate - unlike someone telling me we're all one which does. I probably should leave the alien threads to those who've had direct experience until I do. No disrespect intended here.

[Luminari]

Eleni...
i am guessing you remember what they looked/acted like..may i know?..how did they speak if they spoke?..what did they wear and what were the circumstances under which they appeared?.how long did they stay with you and how did they leave? how did you feel during and after the encounter/s?

also, is there a pattern (that you can remember) of pleasent and/or not so pleasent beings visiting you? can you remember what was your own state of spiritual wellbeing prior to these visits..can you draw a paralel between you own emotional states and the nature of your visitors...i am beginning to think that amongst the ones who "attract" visitations are very different spiritual make ups..and that our spiritual make ups may attract this or that type of entities ..it would be very interesting to know your experience in that regard. if you already wrote about it on this forum, please give a link so you don't have to repeat yourself if it's a bother. thanks.



Lightblue, you are searching for answers ok, that is great. Your list of questions however is extremely demanding.

Eleni already told you she has had dozens of abductions... Is she somehow supposed to summarise her whole life story and jump through all those interigatory hoops for you in a single post? Quite unrealistic. Good luck Eleni lol.

[burgundia]

I totally agree. I think the only real thing is our own connection to our own experience. Everything else is just story.

That's why I'm all for the path of self discovery and self learning, connection to source a universal one and moving from duality to unity. These thing are definitely something everyone can experience. So it works for me.

When I read that someone states that there are 50 planets like the Earth in the whole universe - it just gets my hackles up. How do we know that fact is correct? You might just as well go the whole hog and say there is only ONE planet in the universe like the Earth, and that is the Earth...

The christians will love you for it.

The number of planetary bodies in the whole universe is immense.

"For the Universe, the galaxies are our small representative volumes, and there are something like 1011 (means 10 to the 11, a one followed by eleven zeroes!) to 1012 stars in our galaxy, and there are perhaps something like 1011 or 1012 galaxies.

With this simple calculation you get something like 1022 to 1024 stars in the Universe. This is only a rough number, as obviously not all galaxies are the same, just like on a beach the depth of sand will not be the same in different places. "

I can't even imagine a race of beings could even know how many planets like ours there are in total... let alone have developed a Rough Guide....

K

P.S. I should add for clarity that I'm not doubting the existence of aliens among us or clones - I have no idea, so I'll have to take people's experiences as they say. However, little facts thrown into the mix like the 50 planet rule just stand out to me as far too convenient to be true. But why would someone say that if it wasn't true? It just causes a disonance in me that refuses to resonate - unlike someone telling me we're all one which does. I probably should leave the alien threads to those who've had direct experience until I do. No disrespect intended here.

I absolutely agree with you here...

[Carol]

K, I was just passing on what Stefano shared about what the W56s passed onto him. 50 planets that are able to create life in the manner that earth does. For me, even the fact that this planet earth is what is... so incredibly beautiful, is awesome in and of itself. It makes my heart happy to know there are other planets that may be similar.

As to the validity of the W56's information... who is to know? Astralwalker has astral traveled to other planets where life was very different. Another contactee, Adamski claimed to have seen a humonoid Venucian in the Mojave dessert in 1952. He had 6 friends with him and took photographs of the craft which are all genuine. Billier Mier's contacts are human looking as well. Life as we already know it exists in multiple and varied forms. Life even exists without physicality as clearly identified by the many people who have had near death experiences and returned.

In fact, one story which is positively riveting is Melon Thomas who died from brain cancer, was dead for 1 1/2 hours and came back to a body which was already into rigor mortis. He is still alive and kicking.

Have a listen. It may make your day.

http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=mellen+thomas+interview&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

[Carol]

For those who are interested here is the link to purchase a copy of Breccia's presentation.

To order 2010 Conference DVDs
Online Shopping Cart: http://shop.1asecure.com/index.cfm?DeptNo=10&Stid=5503
Phone: +1 808 323 3400

Prof Stefano Breccia presents new photos and analyses concerning the mass physical extraterrestrial contact case in Italy known as Amicizia. Over 100 people witnessed human looking extraterrestrials that were based in underground bases from 1956 to 1978 in Italy. For the first time in public, Prof Breccia relates his own direct personal experiences with the extraterrestrials.

[Majorion]

I have a friend/source, a guy who used to work at white sands missle range test site, then later he worked SDI, and he shared with me some very interesting information about the human looking extraterrestrials. Apparently they are a secret and highly advanced human society, and yes of earth origin, and some of the ufo cases involve these very same people. Whether they could be considered extraterrestrial by definition is another matter, because not too many are disputing their existence, but over their origins only.

[Kulapops]

Hi Carol,

Thanks for the link, and , Burgundia, thanks for your understanding.

I'm not saying that there aren't ETs and the myriad of phenomena that go with that. It just seems to my mind, that a lot of 'information' that is passed from said beings to human beings seems to be very dodgy in nature (to me, obviously it's not dodgy to everyone, so I apologise for my ignorance).

By dodgy to me, I mean information that either easily fits my worldview (let's say for example...'we have come to help you' ) or totally challenges my worldview ( 'we don't mind telling you that there are only 50 planets like your Earth, out of 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 available' ) in order to seem like it is from a source that is 'other' that human. Other...in that it has the capacity to tell us a fact we don't or can't know or one that courts what we do know about the world to add authenticity... a bit like fortune tellers do ("Ahhh...I can see that you have been troubled lately..." is not far off from...."They told me our world is facing a great danger...." , "we must learn to live in peace with one another..."- no kidding !

I must sound like I'm having a go...and I'm not, and I apologise if my 'reasoning' affects those who've had encounters and are shaking their fist at the monitor just now. I'm not saying that anyone's experiences aren't real - I'm just disappointed at the quality of the information that such incredibly amazing events seem to leave behind. For example...it might be along the lines of...

"They told me (this challenges worldview) the council of Grabbernox has existed for 12 million years on Rangdoo and created and looked after the human race before the council was wiped out by a fleet of Xanthan warships who have now infiltrated the earth and are posing in top positions. However, they also told me (fits worldview) the Xanthan's one weakness is marshmallows and that is why it is so difficult to buy a decent marshmallow these days..." :original:

So what I often see in the stories is a fact that is known building on a fact that is unknowable. Some fortune tellers make a living this way.

My point is, why would an alien tell me their life history? A lot of these aliens to my mind have a habit of 'spilling the beans'... on all kinds of stuff that, if I were an alien, I would be careful what I said - because it's going to reach more people than Hello magazine. Who's to say they might even have a sense of humour?

My imagination of an alien encounter would be one where I hear a noise in the back garden and I go outside and meet one messing around with my hosepipe. Embarassed at being discovered, he tells me that they need some tubing because their drinks machine has just broken... and it's a long ride home and they've no spare parts.

They ask me not to tell anyone and in return say they will andswer me any one question. I ask, 'What's it all about?' and they say...'any question but that one.' I say, 'why, because you can't tell me because of the prime directive? ' and they say , 'no, we've got no idea either... that's why we're flying around the galaxy in this thing.... looking for some answers....' ' and it's a hellish journey - the coffee tastes like tomato soup '

Best wishes to all

K

[eleni]

Lightblue, you are searching for answers ok, that is great. Your list of questions however is extremely demanding.

Eleni already told you she has had dozens of abductions... Is she somehow supposed to summarise her whole life story and jump through all those interigatory hoops for you in a single post? Quite unrealistic. Good luck Eleni lol.

Luminari- I tried replying twice- both time the forum crashed as I tried to post it.

Lightblue- it's a long story- some of it I have shared on this forum- I can try to find those threads.

In a nutshell though- mine is connected to a black ops program.

Carol, I can't wait for your book, when does it come out?

[eleni]

I have a friend/source, a guy who used to work at white sands missle range test site, then later he worked SDI, and he shared with me some very interesting information about the human looking extraterrestrials. Apparently they are a secret and highly advanced human society, and yes of earth origin, and some of the ufo cases involve these very same people. Whether they could be considered extraterrestrial by definition is another matter, because not too many are disputing their existence, but over their origins only.


Interesting of course! Can you tell us some of the stories your friend told you?

[eleni]

For those who are interested here is the link to purchase a copy of Breccia's presentation.

To order 2010 Conference DVDs
Online Shopping Cart: http://shop.1asecure.com/index.cfm?DeptNo=10&Stid=5503
Phone: +1 808 323 3400

Prof Stefano Breccia presents new photos and analyses concerning the mass physical extraterrestrial contact case in Italy known as Amicizia. Over 100 people witnessed human looking extraterrestrials that were based in underground bases from 1956 to 1978 in Italy. For the first time in public, Prof Breccia relates his own direct personal experiences with the extraterrestrials.

Nice, thanks! I see they have a Braco DVD a well- good source:original:

[Derek]

This is extremely interesting and important. Have you asked them if they would be willing to do a project camelot interview?

[Carol]

I'm sorry Derek but B&K's reputation precedes them. More like interrogation as compared to interview. And who would they interview? Stefano? He is back in Italy and I seriously doubt he would be interested. If you get the DVD or book... (I'd go for the book because it has a lot more detail) you will get the info first hand. As for the aliens and clones... I suspect they like to blend in and don't want the attention of the public at large.

[eleni]

Mel Fabregas would be a good one to interview him

[Carol]

I had the same thought eleni. Paola and Mel are friends. I could ask the two of them to consider getting in touch with Stefanao for an interview. I was waiting for his book to arrive because I wanted to read it first and had a list of question to put together for the interview.

[Chamber]

Hi Carol,

Thanks for the link, and , Burgundia, thanks for your understanding.

I'm not saying that there aren't ETs and the myriad of phenomena that go with that. It just seems to my mind, that a lot of 'information' that is passed from said beings to human beings seems to be very dodgy in nature (to me, obviously it's not dodgy to everyone, so I apologise for my ignorance).

By dodgy to me, I mean information that either easily fits my worldview (let's say for example...'we have come to help you' ) or totally challenges my worldview ( 'we don't mind telling you that there are only 50 planets like your Earth, out of 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 available' ) in order to seem like it is from a source that is 'other' that human. Other...in that it has the capacity to tell us a fact we don't or can't know or one that courts what we do know about the world to add authenticity... a bit like fortune tellers do ("Ahhh...I can see that you have been troubled lately..." is not far off from...."They told me our world is facing a great danger...." , "we must learn to live in peace with one another..."- no kidding !

I must sound like I'm having a go...and I'm not, and I apologise if my 'reasoning' affects those who've had encounters and are shaking their fist at the monitor just now. I'm not saying that anyone's experiences aren't real - I'm just disappointed at the quality of the information that such incredibly amazing events seem to leave behind. For example...it might be along the lines of...

"They told me (this challenges worldview) the council of Grabbernox has existed for 12 million years on Rangdoo and created and looked after the human race before the council was wiped out by a fleet of Xanthan warships who have now infiltrated the earth and are posing in top positions. However, they also told me (fits worldview) the Xanthan's one weakness is marshmallows and that is why it is so difficult to buy a decent marshmallow these days..." :original:

So what I often see in the stories is a fact that is known building on a fact that is unknowable. Some fortune tellers make a living this way.

My point is, why would an alien tell me their life history? A lot of these aliens to my mind have a habit of 'spilling the beans'... on all kinds of stuff that, if I were an alien, I would be careful what I said - because it's going to reach more people than Hello magazine. Who's to say they might even have a sense of humour?

My imagination of an alien encounter would be one where I hear a noise in the back garden and I go outside and meet one messing around with my hosepipe. Embarassed at being discovered, he tells me that they need some tubing because their drinks machine has just broken... and it's a long ride home and they've no spare parts.

They ask me not to tell anyone and in return say they will andswer me any one question. I ask, 'What's it all about?' and they say...'any question but that one.' I say, 'why, because you can't tell me because of the prime directive? ' and they say , 'no, we've got no idea either... that's why we're flying around the galaxy in this thing.... looking for some answers....' ' and it's a hellish journey - the coffee tastes like tomato soup '

Best wishes to all

K

Superb post....Su-F'n-perb. :thumb_yello:

One of my most basic rules is that I am always wary(weary) of people selling their book.

As for the photo....meh....:lol3: First impression is a tall guy with bad fashion sense. 'Could' he be an ET? Sure.

But something like this would have held more credibility for me...

http://theselvedgeyard.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/andreconanwilt.jpg

:lol3:

[Karen]

How some of the aliens take the form of humans that are dead.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4nvtVFtu_k&NR=1
"David Moncoeur, one of the Uks most respected researchers gives us the Robert France case - the corroborated story of a man who appeared to have been replaced with a small grey alien who projected a hologram of his victim. This extract from the East of Scotland UFO Conference at the Templar Lodge Hotel, Gullane in 2000.
Thanks to the late Stephen Prior and also to IFDNRG.com the film company who transferred some of the video rights to Andrew Hennessey the conference organiser.
A classic from the famous Dangerous Dave Moncoeu"

[kriya]

Luminari- I tried replying twice- both time the forum crashed as I tried to post it.

Lightblue- it's a long story- some of it I have shared on this forum- I can try to find those threads.

In a nutshell though- mine is connected to a black ops program.

Carol, I can't wait for your book, when does it come out?

Hi Eleni,

I apologise if this has been answered elsewhere. But may I ask, do you know why milabs occur? Why are human beings abducting other human beings? Am I right in thinking they do it to gleen information from authentic contactees because they are just as clueless as everyone else.

The money that goes into those could feed small country:wall:

Love,

Kriya

[lightblue]

Please carol

why do you think a woman from your introductory post wanted to murder Stefano.. What does Stefano think maY be the reason for such a thing? He must have given it some thought.. to me,the whole story sounds a big mish-mash of various bits and pieces of info..i read his interview with paola (the link you gave) and it's not much to go on either..the photo of the alleged ET in a human form is something else - is every tall person suspect of being an ETs in human form? Do i have a reason to worry about myself?
there's one particular place in his interview with paola where he states he knew clearly that his mother was going to die 9 months beforehand. Against that knowledge, he prayed and prayed and prayed that she doesn't..when eventually sadly she died, he carries on , and because god did not fullfill his prayers, he decided to denounce god altogether!!! where's the integrity in that account i wonder..i mean there was not much integrity to his prayers in the first place... from what he said so far, i am not interested in reading his book at all...some tall people in Amicizia may be ET.. it all sounds like a marketing plot ..
best wishes

[eleni]

Hi Eleni,

I apologise if this has been answered elsewhere. But may I ask, do you know why milabs occur? Why are human beings abducting other human beings? Am I right in thinking they do it to gleen information from authentic contactees because they are just as clueless as everyone else.

The money that goes into those could feed small country:wall:

Love,

Kriya

Because they work hand in hand with a faction of ET's.......I've been to DUMBs and there are both humans and the odd looking one's (greys)......

[Majorion]

Interesting of course! Can you tell us some of the stories your friend told you?
I have more than one credible source, but this guy is probably my number one insider. The things he shared with me turn out to be 80% of what I've been already saying on forums for many years, and you can imagine its a very gratifying experience to get corroboration from multiple sources about things you always suspected were true. This is one of the ways I came to find 'my truth', it is by no means the absolute, but its gotta be pretty close.

My friend shared with me info about everything from roswell, to the different ets, information about psyops, black ops, ancient history, 2012, 9/11, the apollo program, and a lot of other technical stuff too. Frankly he has so many important things to say its still amazing to me that PC or some other organization haven't heard of him at all, although he likes to stay low-key and enjoys his privacy, so its probably for the best.

Cheers

[eleni]

I have more than one credible source, but this guy is probably my number one insider. The things he shared with me turn out to be 80% of what I've been already saying on forums for many years, and you can imagine its a very gratifying experience to get corroboration from multiple sources about things you always suspected were true. This is one of the ways I came to find 'my truth', it is by no means the absolute, but its gotta be pretty close.

My friend shared with me info about everything from roswell, to the different ets, information about psyops, black ops, ancient history, 2012, 9/11, the apollo program, and a lot of other technical stuff too. Frankly he has so many important things to say its still amazing to me that PC or some other organization haven't heard of him at all, although he likes to stay low-key and enjoys his privacy, so its probably for the best.

Cheers

I'd be happy to hear about any of the above topics- okay can you start with 2012? Thanks!

[mikanuotio]

i have speak to clones. they are beable to read what person think and answer by speak.

they look like normal people. they was say to me "you should see they scientists" "they can hear me very loud".

i was talk with them about half hour. i was not need open my mouth.

we should no interested about them because they are under heavy mind control. they are mastered puppets who are manipulated.

i was talk with my country language. place was not my country but big city.

[Majorion]

I'd be happy to hear about any of the above topics- okay can you start with 2012? Thanks!
eleni, thanks for your interest, but I wouldn't want to go off topic, though if you want to PM me any questions I'd be glad to answer.

Cheers

[Luminari]

eleni, thanks for your interest, but I wouldn't want to go off topic, though if you want to PM me any questions I'd be glad to answer.

Cheers

Thats no fun :lol3: Can you start a new thread and roll back the veil for us?

Interested in what your source/s have to say.

[eleni]

Thats no fun :lol3: Can you start a new thread and roll back the veil for us?

Interested in what your source/s have to say.


Yes, me too! Please start a thread about this source:original:

[clarkkent]

some of the things i read here are insanely ridiculous. alien clones playing tennis.

if aliens are CEO's then they way less evolved thats for sure. im always wary of accounts that say something like in all the universe, something something and make earth super unique.

infinity is a concept hard to wrap your mind around, my guess is there are more worlds like our own than we could ever imagine, when you consider that this is only ONE physical 3-D universe we see and theres an infinite amount of them/timelines/ dimensions etc i have a hard time thinking earth is as singularly special as people make it out to be.

we tend to anthropomorhize and make everything earth-centric, to me "aliens" who corroberate that rings false to me.

-clark

[eleni]

some of the things i read here are insanely ridiculous. alien clones playing tennis.

if aliens are CEO's then they way less evolved thats for sure. im always wary of accounts that say something like in all the universe, something something and make earth super unique.

infinity is a concept hard to wrap your mind around, my guess is there are more worlds like our own than we could ever imagine, when you consider that this is only ONE physical 3-D universe we see and theres an infinite amount of them/timelines/ dimensions etc i have a hard time thinking earth is as singularly special as people make it out to be.

we tend to anthropomorhize and make everything earth-centric, to me "aliens" who corroberate that rings false to me.

-clark

Yes, I had those thoughts too.......the alien also looks a bit like he's taken up a Western diet.....sorry to be harsh- don't they know most earth food is plain unhealthy?

[Carol]

lightblue, the library is a good source of free books to research and one can often order what they are seeking and get on the list if a particular book is on reserve. We do this all the time especially if we don't want to pay an arm and a leg for a book. Certain books I buy for my own library and Stefano's research is so fascinating his book is nice to have on hand.

The W56s tend to eat fruit.

As for the disbelief of others here... well that is your "belief" and until the time is taken to do the research, "disbelief" will win out. Being skeptical is healthy. Finding the real answers for oneself even better. I shared what I know to be true. It doesn't matter to me whether anyone here accepts it or not as I've experienced over and over that the truth tends win out in the end.

I now see that sharing a part of a conversation with the person (Stefano) involved is a waste of time as the story was much more involved and I deliberately did not go into all of the details. This was something that recently happened to him and he was still dealing with the after affects (particularly since he spotted the woman who tried to run him over at the airport on his way to the conference). The point was the CTRs lack morals. They killed many of the W56s and their human contacts. They look human and want to blend in with humans. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to connect the dots here.

[NeedForSpeed]

As for the disbelief of others here... well that is your "belief" and until the time is taken to do the research, "disbelief" will win out. Being skeptical is healthy. Finding the real answers for oneself even better. I shared what I know to be true. It doesn't matter to me whether anyone here accepts it or not as I've experienced over and over that the truth tends win out in the end.

How do you know it to be true?

[orthodoxymoron]

Because they work hand in hand with a faction of ET's.......I've been to DUMBs and there are both humans and the odd looking one's (greys)......

This blew me away! I had to go for a walk with my dog! I would like to hear more...if that's possible. I don't know how to properly relate to all of this. I don't mean to veer off-topic...but I'm interested in how Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer might be involved. My New Theology is the Christocentric Egyptologcial Science Fiction Version of the Old Theology. This is a real mind $%^&! I need to find a good Jesuit...but a good Jesuit is hard to find!!

:mfr_omg:Namaste:mfr_omg:

[Carol]

The test of time.

I'm also a psychotherapist of 28 years. I know the symptoms of PTS when I see it.

[mikanuotio]

some of the things i read here are insanely ridiculous. alien clones playing tennis...

-clark

they drink beer too.

they are look as people and do same but they are under hierarchy and mind control.

they have technology people not have.

they are what become under mind control.. zombie or robot.

if you wonder why somebody play tennis you need to ask what is life. life is not mind control so when they play tennis they may try to live life.

if you think they so different you think wrong. i think they like to be more as people than alien or you need to ask do you want to be reptilian or human.

i tell more how they live. they have everything timing what mean they need to be right place right time what is not they own will and they have give up they own will. they live big city what mean they are timed with spirit world as dimensions what mean too many on too small place. they live compromise everything what they are and they try to reach for who they masters via mind control.

[ellie]

Well, well, well, we are all on a conspiracy forum and when someone tries to give us a piece of a puzzle we become somewhat sceptical, but I suppose a healthy amount of scepticism is acceptable.

But in this instance my intuition is veering towards Carol and Paola Harris and Stefano.

I get flashes of intuition which I get validated by certain people, contacts you could call them and that is what I go by. I would say this story is right because I see other things as well, but I talk about those with my good friends I know on another forum.

Carol I suppose the English version of his book is out now right? I am gonna buy that one. Thanks for bravely giving us this information.:original:

Remember that line in the Shakespeare play guys..................you know the one I mean so I am not going to repeat it.

[mikanuotio]

I'm also a psychotherapist of 28 years. I know the symptoms of PTS when I see it.

you make skill by block your own mind to rule you have learn. mind is not consciousness.

mind is only what consciousness can be by fear or by rule. if you are something 28 year under rule can you be something else after 28 year is question big enough.

only what need to make is to see and feel not go with wrong people and out there not have anything what for need to go. we no need to categorise people and we no need to keep people under category and we just look for we self.

mix of alien and people as we talk person who is under rule and mind control all life is not what people ease think. that kind of life to people is very dangerous and people not understand what they lose when they lose own will under rule and mind control.

people may think they know but what people know if newer see or talk with they who are split to three part as people dna and alien dna and spirit world what can be only with rule and mind control. they who live by rule and by mind control they live so strong duality they can not break out.

[mikanuotio]

The W56s tend to eat fruit.


i think everybody we like to eat more fruit than meat if we can get fruit easier than meat. is just more natural thing to do as kill only to eat too what is not as rule too and is common sense if not live by rule.

i not know what they name. i know they are out there and i was out there too.

"The W56 is an American thermonuclear warhead produced starting in 1963 which saw service until 1993, on the Minuteman I and II ICBMs."

"The LGM-30 Minuteman is a U.S. nuclear missile..."

"An Intercontinental Ballistic Missile (ICBM) is a long-range (greater than 5,500 km or 3,500 miles) ballistic missile typically designed for nuclear weapons delivery, that is, delivering one or more nuclear warheads."

is name W56 as joke or nick name. only i can say they out there italy and speak multilanguage and i was there i was see and speak and i not go again.

i was not like them. they was not like me much.

[mikanuotio]

This mass contact has been going on for 30 years, plus.
...
When we were talking, I asked Stefano how old he was when he was first contacted. He said, age twenty. He is now 70.
...


i see here very different kind of situation. when they take contact is totally different when you go to look.

i know they not like somebody tell to people what was see. they was say to me they hide people.

so you can understand they not really live among us or feel good or feel free. they live parallel reality what is under mind control and rule and difference.

they as they leaders are lie to people because they are not tell to people or let people know they live parallel reality what have effect to people world. when they try to be mix people and alien they are mix people life and they fear is cruel and brutal because they hide.

if they know what they do they game is cruel and brutal and not they fear. game and fear is different.

i have see they not use money. i have see religion they use against people.

because they have give up they will they have only hive mind and they let mind control wash their mind to become unit and not unique. they are body and spirit by rule and they not consciousness by sense or body with soul.

what i can say is they not you and you not they so just be strong enough to walk away from they. they interested you only if you interested they so turn your head to other direction.

if you not know your body is something what you may lose and your consciousness is something what you may lose too you not know enough to see and meet other than people. you need both your body and your consciousness to be what you really are to live life or you die as fast die your body and consciousness.

if you not feel you may lose body or consciousness or both you are not awake. fact is world is more dangerous place and ask help not make world any safer and only what you can do is see what you do no matter what others do so what you do.

if you think they are your friend then i say think twice. when i was they area and some man was ask me to sit car and i was sit car man was say they not kill people on city but they kill people outside city.

they really try to use fear to people or they really are crazy but no matter what but i was see empty sheet metal huts outside modern european city. was look like people was forced to city.

[clarkkent]

i guess english isnt your first language so i cant really respond, it just sounds like regurgitation of things youve read though. i could easily regurgitate icke or what carol has said as fact even though theres absolutely zero in ways i can verify these statements.

and skeptisism is necessary the other choice is to believe everything you want to believe which means you can be easily manipulated, something i try not to be.

as far as the no moral alien clone CEO's, it sounds silly as hell, of course it could be real im open to all possibilties, clearly we live in a weirder world than were told.

but if aliens are playing tennis and sipping mimosa's then we live in a much more comical universe than anyone is aware of.

-clark

http://superstrangeland.blogspot.com/

[eleni]

but if aliens are playing tennis and sipping mimosa's then we live in a much more comical universe than anyone is aware of.

-clark

http://superstrangeland.blogspot.com/

That's what Terrence McKenna said.......

[Peace of mind]

Be very careful because all of this alien talk can make you paranoid at times. One of my friends is dealing with a few issues because he is seeing things others can’t see. We keep each other sane because I can kind of read minds thru eye contact and it gives him some comfort in knowing our senses are being heightened. The key is to take it all in stride and to recognize what reality most humans are tuned into.

Example of possible paranoia: 2 days ago I think I was being spied on. I was standing in front of my house watching this unusually long legged, tall woman walk by. She had a large white shoulder bag with a hugh upside down peace sign on the bag, the bag was draped in front of her as she walked towards my way. I really didn’t pay much attention to the bag but at the subtle differences in her body frame. As she was walking by she maneuvered the bag at least 3 times before passing my position, each time the bag was facing me. The final position of the bag was draped behind the lady as she walked by. As she walked down the block I noticed the picture on the bag wasn’t really an upside down peace sign…but a face of a Gray alien. When that thought crossed my mind the women swung the bag back in front of her and continued on her way…lol, see what I mean.

Peace

[Carol]

mikanuotio, from your posts it appears that you yourself have had contact with some type of aliens. I have some questions for you.

1. If you had contact did you know if they were humanoid or insectoid aliens?

2. Did you know if there were pure or hybrid? Some insectoid hybrids are very human looking and quite beautiful. I have copies of the actual photos of both grey and reptilian hybrids.

3. The insectoid (grey, reptilian, praying mantis) aliens are "hive mind" and telepathic. Did you experience mind-control by your possible alien contacts?

Here are a few factoids I've learned from my research and other contactees:

1. The majority of the humaniod aliens that I've researched are very spiritual and telepathic. They can use mind control to create bi and tri location. They can also use mind control to compel a person to meet with them, and the Nordics can block memories ~ but I'm not yet aware of where humanoid aliens use mind control in the manner of the insectoids do. Insectoid aliens use mind control to create paralysis, block memories, create intense fear for purposes of manipulation and control, create false memories or mind screens and generally make a person feel insane.

2. Jacobs, in his book The Threat (I have an online PDF file) identified that the insectoids take human DNA, eggs and sperm to create hybrids so as to elevate their own physical evolution and eventually have control over humans who are not hybrids.

3. Salla, Collier, Dean, Adamski, Merier and others claim that the humanoid aliens believe in non-interference and are not engaged in abductions for genetic alien/human hybrid programs. Stefano said that they make clones of themselves. In fact, Deacon identified that governments work with a variety of different aliens in a variety of top secret projects that involve technological advancement, time-travel, space travel and who knows what else.

4. The majority of the humanoid aliens that I've researched are very spiritual and also very technological oriented. The hybrids are a mixed bag as the stories about them are wide and varied.

5. The W stands for double "V" for victory over the task at hand and over ego self. The number 56 is the year (1956) this group first began their Mass Contact experiment with humans in Italy. 1956 to present day hence, W56

6. Spiritually evolved humanoid aliens what to help humans evolve beyond our current level of interactions with each other and the planet. Their intention is positive and they want us to learn how to help ourselves first ~ as compared to humans remaining immature/childlike and expect someone else to fix the mess they made. It's called learning to take personal responsibility for the consequences of interactions with each other and the planet. Humans are expected to learn how to clean up the mess that they created on the planet.

Think of the story of Buddha...

The story of the Buddha is where after enlightenment he vowed to come back and help all beings become enlightened as well. The moral of the story is one of "selfless-services-to-others" as compared to "service-to-self." He could have just gone into the higher spiritual dimensional realms and stayed there. Instead, he chose to stay close-by where he could continue to help those who had not evolved to his level of spiritual "beingness." The same can also be said of those aliens who wish to see humans evolve and become brothers of Universal Peace.

It is true that there are other aliens who wish to use humans as a resource for their own selfish purposes and are involved in human abduction, mind-control and aniliation for one reason or another. They are the parasites (blood-suckers) of the Universe who feed off other spiritual beings for survival because they have yet to become aware of there own innate spiritual origin. These are the dangerous beings... and so are humans who resonate with murder, self-service, exploitation the of vulnerble and exploitation of the planet.

Since humans are all over the spectrum of spiritual self-evolution, it is completely understandable that human ET contact is similar. And I've been told by contactees that some Reptilians and some Greys are also very spiritual. This tells me it would be unfair to condem an entire alien species because we, in general, just don't know which end is up except by the fruits of their actions.

[mikanuotio]

i could easily regurgitate icke or what carol has said as fact even though theres absolutely zero in ways i can verify these statements.

and skeptisism is necessary the other choice is to believe everything you want to believe which means you can be easily manipulated, something i try not to be.

as far as the no moral alien clone CEO's, it sounds silly as hell, of course it could be real im open to all possibilties, clearly we live in a weirder world than were told.

but if aliens are playing tennis and sipping mimosa's then we live in a much more comical universe than anyone is aware of.

-clark

http://superstrangeland.blogspot.com/

about icke i have listen he after i was meet persons who live under mind control by visit they places. i was bored listen icke because repeat same.

they have so tight rule for mind control so i reallt doubt they can really feel they play tennis. i was see they was go to sport house and sport hall and kids was jump trampoline.

people not disturb they because they hide people. i have alot sense of humor for personal life to understand everything but very different what program do to everybody and sense of humor.

for sense of humor need first remember i was survive alive and i know some was not survive alive from same place. what is sense of humor when some was not survive alive.

feel good to be alive to have some sense of humor. if take life serious enough have some sense of humor.

i am sure if not take life serious will not have any sense of humor or person just think so or try to be funny. i was think to find out truth 18 years ago and was take all 18 years to find out.

two thing show how serious life is.

first is irony that simple was made complex and irony kills.

second is sense of humor what show life can understand for sure and sense of humor safe.

serious stuff can make smile too.

[mikanuotio]

Be very careful because all of this alien talk can make you paranoid at times.
Peace

if afraid something may everything be scary.

picture can keep but book can not carry.

[kriya]

but if aliens are playing tennis and sipping mimosa's then we live in a much more comical universe than anyone is aware of.

-clark

http://superstrangeland.blogspot.com/

:thumb_yello: Although I prefer the term a comedy-drama or a tragi/comedy.

I think you've actually said something quite profound!!

Love,

kriya

[mikanuotio]

mikanuotio, from your posts it appears that you yourself have had contact with some type of aliens. I have some questions for you.

1. If you had contact did you know if they were humanoid or insectoid aliens?

2. Did you know if there were pure or hybrid? Some insectoid hybrids are very human looking and quite beautiful. I have copies of the actual photos of both grey and reptilian hybrids.

3. The insectoid (grey, reptilian, praying mantis) aliens are "hive mind" and telepathic. Did you experience mind-control by your possible alien contacts?

Here are a few factoids I've learned from my research and other contactees:

1. The majority of the humaniod aliens that I've researched are very spiritual and telepathic. They can use mind control to create bi and tri location. They can also use mind control to compel a person to meet with them, and the Nordics can block memories ~ but I'm not yet aware of where humanoid aliens use mind control in the manner of the insectoids do. Insectoid aliens use mind control to create paralysis, block memories, create intense fear for purposes of manipulation and control, create false memories or mind screens and generally make a person feel insane.

2. Jacobs, in his book The Threat (I have an online PDF file) identified that the insectoids take human DNA, eggs and sperm to create hybrids so as to elevate their own physical evolution and eventually have control over humans who are not hybrids.

3. Salla, Collier, Dean, Adamski, Merier and others claim that the humanoid aliens believe in non-interference and are not engaged in abductions for genetic alien/human hybrid programs. Stefano said that they make clones of themselves. In fact, Deacon identified that governments work with a variety of different aliens in a variety of top secret projects that involve technological advancement, time-travel, space travel and who knows what else.

4. The majority of the humanoid aliens that I've researched are very spiritual and also very technological oriented. The hybrids are a mixed bag as the stories about them are wide and varied.

5. The W stands for double "V" for victory over the task at hand and over ego self. The number 56 is the year (1956) this group first began their Mass Contact experiment with humans in Italy. 1956 to present day hence, W56

6. Spiritually evolved humanoid aliens what to help humans evolve beyond our current level of interactions with each other and the planet. Their intention is positive and they want us to learn how to help ourselves first ~ as compared to humans remaining immature/childlike and expect someone else to fix the mess they made. It's called learning to take personal responsibility for the consequences of interactions with each other and the planet. Humans are expected to learn how to clean up the mess that they created on the planet.

Think of the story of Buddha...

The story of the Buddha is where after enlightenment he vowed to come back and help all beings become enlightened as well. The moral of the story is one of "selfless-services-to-others" as compared to "service-to-self." He could have just gone into the higher spiritual dimensional realms and stayed there. Instead, he chose to stay close-by where he could continue to help those who had not evolved to his level of spiritual "beingness." The same can also be said of those aliens who wish to see humans evolve and become brothers of Universal Peace.

It is true that there are other aliens who wish to use humans as a resource for their own selfish purposes and are involved in human abduction, mind-control and aniliation for one reason or another. They are the parasites (blood-suckers) of the Universe who feed of other spiritual beings for survival because they have yet to become aware of or int5.egrate their own spiritual origin. These are the dangerous beings... and so are humans who resonate with murder, self-service, exploitation the of vulnerble and exploitation of the planet.

Since humans are all over the spectrum of spiritual self-evolution, it is completely understandable that human ET contact is similar. And I've been told by contactees that some Reptilians and some Greys are also very spiritual. This tells me it would be unfair to condem an entire alien species because we, in general, just don't know which end is up except by the fruits of their actions.

1. they was look like people. they was beable to hear without words via spirit world. they was integrated to spirit world. they was tell to me they not want to tell me.

2. they was look like same people. nothing beautiful as normal.

3. they was some collective or hive mind. they was more stupid than person can be. they was just integrated to spirits. telepathic is not real this world. i was notice mind controll and mind manipulation and i was control they verhicles by mind.

1. first they need person permission on any level to mind control. so if person not want they disturb need to say no for every level.

2. when i was see what they are i was refuse all permission to they interests for body for soul. they really was not like i was refuse. for anykind of copy and use i have refuse all permission too. i not feel self anything they are.

3. i know dimension travel. time travel and space travel are portal. they was use timing as be right place right time even not know what happen. timing because they was integrated with spirit world what mean fast incarnation circle to what aim at.

4. they have some verhicles as bus and motorbikes and metro to use with engine people not have. i was use bus and metro and was see motorbike was turn around without turn with wheels. they was say i can not drive they motorbike. motorbikes was some paper side what was mention some antipeople mechanic.

5. i was italy when was see. year for travel was 2007.

6. if try to fix mess made will just mess more.

to find out need to be very selfish what not mean bad as dualism try to make beleave to good and bad what is totally wrong. need to walk to find out. work what after need to be done is understand everything what was see to leave all behind. sometimes work is speak to people sometimes not. need to take second step too. first is work information out from self. people sometimes stay only with first step. point is not choose good or bad side. point is understand duality without choose side to go to war. everybody who know can protect personal life as know and fight no need to go and can say no for every level. to live life is more than to see good or bad.

[Carol]

Thank you for your response. What part of Italy were you in as I know locations of different alien types in the different areas.

[eleni]

Well, well, well, we are all on a conspiracy forum and when someone tries to give us a piece of a puzzle we become somewhat sceptical, but I suppose a healthy amount of scepticism is acceptable.

But in this instance my intuition is veering towards Carol and Paola Harris and Stefano.

I get flashes of intuition which I get validated by certain people, contacts you could call them and that is what I go by. I would say this story is right because I see other things as well, but I talk about those with my good friends I know on another forum.

Carol I suppose the English version of his book is out now right? I am gonna buy that one. Thanks for bravely giving us this information.:original:

Remember that line in the Shakespeare play guys..................you know the one I mean so I am not going to repeat it.

Mine too- am grateful Carol posted this and I look forward to my book coming in the mail:original:

[Stardustaquarion]

Aliens are likely to look and behave like us
Alien life, if it exists at all, is likely to be just like us, a leading scientist has claimed. He also believes aliens would also share our human weaknesses for greed, violence and the exploitation of others.

By Richard Alleyne, Science Correspondent
Published: 12:15PM GMT 25 Jan 2010

Professor Simon Conway Morris at Cambridge University will tell a conference on alien life that extraterrestrials will most likely have evolved just like "earthlings" and so resemble us to a degree with heads, limbs and bodies.

Unfortunately they will have also evolved our foibles and faults which could make them dangerous if they ever did visit us on Earth.

rest of the article http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/7071013/Aliens-are-likely-to-look-and-behave-like-us.html

I find all this rather interesting....smells like "project blue beam"...


Cheers:mfr_omg:

[Peace of mind]

I think people place comparisons between humans and aliens because of the lack of proof. This may be another case of blind arrogance, especially when one has never traveled the cosmos. Life can look like anything; we are still discovering all kinds of life on our own PLAN-ET.


Peace

[orthodoxymoron]

Because they work hand in hand with a faction of ET's.......I've been to DUMBs and there are both humans and the odd looking one's (greys)......

eleni...you may have mentioned this previously...but I missed it. If there is nothing more that you can add at this time...I understand. But sub-surface bases on Earth...and possibly throughout the Solar System...seem to be extremely important regarding so much of what has been happening on Earth for thousands of years. I envision a very high-tech sub-surface environment existing throughout human history.

[eleni]

Am sure I have- over this past summer was taken to various bases- one I know is in OZ- how do I know that? Because I stood there next to some people from OZ (who were also obviously taken as well) and it was just a knowing.
The other base- I have no clue as to where that was- all I know is that is was human and grey (those greys were 4- 4.5 feet tall) the OZ base was connected to genetics (impregnation). My source (from Pine Gap) also told me it's not uncommon for people to be transported from USA bases to OZ. I live near major bases here........that connect to others.......

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you eleni. No more questions...for now!

:original:Namaste:original:

[mikanuotio]

Thank you for your response. What part of Italy were you in as I know locations of different alien types in the different areas.

north italy. near alps.

i recomend not go to italy. turist not see what i was see.

they was all same type what i was see. i was just city level.

they have play ground what vatican and church and religion have made. they are some how dna manipulated to work together with spirit world for system what was as new world order.

program to make new world order is very old. what i was see they allready have city as same system.

they newer try to get people to city under same order. they have program to kill people or wait people die.

i was speak for some people who was not know where they are or what happen. people from other coutry.

they was not friendly and nice and they not care outsiders if they can not use some how for they purpose. i was see some lie.

one time in bank i was say they acting need to stop because i can see who they are. they was say be hush hush because around was people what they was like to service.

i was stop to speak english and start to speak my country language and they was start to speak my coutry language too so they speak multilanguage or spirits translate. they may only empty shell if spirit use they as tool.

i was see they work as road worker and bank and shop. they not just italy they other country too.

i was see some persons what was over police. who was very angry i was see they.

when i was stop speak english and they was speak my country language to me i was get wine and coffee and other stuff without money from gas station and small shops. they was look relieved when i was sit down but when i was get up they was look nervous and they face was change fast as second.

some people was get free alcohol so they was keep people trap. man who was get free alcohol was say he was loose sense of time on that place.

i was see many wrong thing on they place. i was see only two type what are people and people integrated with spirits.

is mix made with dna manipulation is no matter. what i was see was empty shells work with spirits.

[mikanuotio]

He also believes aliens would also share our human weaknesses for greed, violence and the exploitation of others.

Cheers:mfr_omg:

what i was see was not share human weaknesses but try to be something else by rule. same what religion and fear and manipulation make to people.

they was not so much interested to speak to me as they was speak together. they was know i am different what not fit to they purpose.

[mikanuotio]

Life can look like anything
Peace

if they mix spirits to use body as tool by dna manipulation may body controls be from somebody who not look like people or group of spirits use same body. very bad thing what people may not understand easy.

[mikanuotio]

I live near major bases here........that connect to others.......

i was notice i was be able travel with metro to other places too. metro was look like travel 24h day and three or four metro tracks was side by side and travel was free.

one time metro was travel long time down and long time up. one place i was was night time and red sand was travel with strong wind to roads. some machines was clean red sand off from roads. i was not see far to see was place desert.

italy have desert or desert wind or red sand ?? north italy have red sand and heavy wind and machine what clean sand from road ?? italy have metro what can control by mind and travel free ?? is metro connect to other places ??

what i was see everybody was travel daytime with same metro but night time i was travel alone and only metro driver and controller on every station was same time. when i was ask change coins to get choclate from candy automatic station controller was say they not eat sugar that place and was not change any coins.

what i was see road bus was not hit other cars even was slide side every corner on street. i think was make vortex donut as shield.

desert city was every trash can full as nobody not empty any trash can. same city i was see person drive motorbike what was keep noice as thunder and person was turn 180 decree on road with motorbike without wheels was touch ground.

[Luminari]

Am sure I have- over this past summer was taken to various bases- one I know is in OZ- how do I know that? Because I stood there next to some people from OZ (who were also obviously taken as well) and it was just a knowing.
The other base- I have no clue as to where that was- all I know is that is was human and grey (those greys were 4- 4.5 feet tall) the OZ base was connected to genetics (impregnation). My source (from Pine Gap) also told me it's not uncommon for people to be transported from USA bases to OZ. I live near major bases here........that connect to others.......

Next time you ride the crystal powered mag-lev tube shuttle from underneath denver airport to the land of OZ, be sure to do lunch with me ok? :wink2:

I can show you that ancient vectoring site near pine gap.

Seriously though we will catch up in a few months anyhow.

[eleni]

Next time you ride the crystal powered mag-lev tube shuttle from underneath denver airport to the land of OZ, be sure to do lunch with me ok? :wink2:

I can show you that ancient vectoring site near pine gap.

Seriously though we will catch up in a few months anyhow.

Yes, those trains are rather wide BTW too- just thought I would mention that in case anyone else reading this has also been on them.....

We can have lunch in a DUMB- not sure what the food situation is there but it might be pretty good considering factions of ET's hang out there on *vacation*:lol3:

[Peace of mind]

@mikanuatio,
That’s a good point, but that’s describing what we see here on this plan-et. As far as venturing into the unknown/cosmos…we only use devices to detect what’s out there…our observations are not personal but thru corporations like NASA... plus we probably need to unlock our other senses to detect the many other forms of life.

Peace

[bashi]

Eleni: These memories …
While being abducted, in which state of consciousness are you ?

Carol : Why don’t you just upload some pictures? Please give the nay-sayers some Photoshop arguments…

[eleni]

[QUOTE=bashi;229062][SIZE="1"]Eleni: These memories …
While being abducted, in which state of consciousness are you ?



I am either in waking state or put under a light distortion (when they come to take me) things are not 100% clear during the abduction but the main part is retained consciously.

I have also not been *taken* since September- they tried twice (once in Sept. and as recently as a few days ago) because *interference* was placed in my brain and biofield by *someone* for the sole purpose of them leaving me alone.

[Carol]

Photos are the property of other contactees and in their books.. I don't have their permission to put them on the net but there may be some floating around.

[bashi]

This interference...
Do you know who did it? Have you asked for it? Can you focus on the source?

[Carol]

This thread is about contactees and clones. There is a distinct difference between abductees and those who are contacted. Abductees often don't have memory. Contactees, those I'm aware of pretty much have full recall and conscious interactions of their human/alien interactions.

The part that gets a bit confusing for some contactees is how the military will know about the contact and follow up with an alien/human abduction.

In the case of SeaGate, which Duncan spoke about with Kerry they even use dolphins to go through stargates. I found his testimony interesting because at a week-long workshop with Joan Ocean a couple of years back she had a drawing of dolphins in a space craft that a contactee had drawn. She even mentioned that the whales and dolphins were among the first ETs. Amazing, if true. And if what Duncan had to say about his own personal experiences, stargates, SeaGate and dolphins, it may well indeed be a reality as well.

What I want to know is just what is everyone so afraid of regarding SeaGate underwater base and why is it such a big secret. And which type of aliens are involved.

As for the human looking alien clones... that too is something worth investigating.

[nameless]

i stop to write because i was see forum want to respect rule what not allow people to write what they think religion system or suicide program or without limit what make too difficult to write truth. truth is all without rule or limit or law from out side and if can not write all is nothing really to write and nothing really to read.

what do you mean? what happened?

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[lightblue]

I am either in waking state or put under a light distortion (when they come to take me) things are not 100% clear during the abduction but the main part is retained consciously.

I have also not been *taken* since September- they tried twice (once in Sept. and as recently as a few days ago) because *interference* was placed in my brain and biofield by *someone* for the sole purpose of them leaving me alone.

dear Eleni, i admire your courage..

who do you think placed a saving interference in your brain? how do you know that your abductors from a while ago didn't implant some device inside your body? if you are sure they haven't - what is it that make you sure?

thanks very much l

[Luminari]

Carol, I got the "Mass Contacts" book today... wow! I always wanted to know more about the UMMO contacts.

Some very clear UFO pics- some of the best I've (never) seen.

I might have to post the pic of the 'dog from Venus' :mfr_omg: that is just too cool and funny not to share. :lol3:

[lightblue]

I might have to post the pic of the 'dog from Venus' that is just too cool and funny not to share.

please do

thanks

[Luminari]

Here you go:

http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww178/luminari_2009/venusdog.jpg

[Carol]

Thanks Luminari. I'm still waiting for my copy to get here and am envious. Great pic. Who knew?

[lightblue]

i love i love i love it..
thanks luminari, where was the photo taken, do you know?

[annemirri]

a.

[Carol]

Thank you for your input Ann.

Somone sent this picture to me and thought perhaps it might be an image (CGI) of a tall grey human hybrid.

http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs183.snc3/19050_1387623130428_1227556269_31177051_7593461_n. jpg

Does anyone know where this image may have come from?

And the image below is a human looking Clarion alien on the cover of this Italian contactee's book.

http://www.authorhouse.com/Bookstore/covers/51725.jpg

[Carol]

http://www.paolaharris.com/images/clarionchild.jpg
Cavallo's picture of a child from Clarion

These pictures are from Paola Harris's site as she was the person who did the one-on-one interviews with a number of contactees.

http://www.paolaharris.com/timing.htm

http://www.paolaharris.com/images/timing/wolf%20aliensjpg.jpg
This is both a picture of Michael Wolf and a Pleiadian ~ SA RA from Altair 4

http://www.amazon.com/Catchers-Heaven-Trilogy-Michael-Wolf/dp/0805939075/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1265219417&sr=8-1-fkmr0

"The Catchers of Heaven" is a blockbuster tell-all book by a scientist on the National Security Council's secret subcommittee that manages UFO matters. From his position on the executive committee of what is popularly known as MJ-12, Dr. Michael Wolf was in a position to know virtually everything about UFOs and extraterrestrial contact with Earth over the last 50 years. In amazing first-person chapters, he talks about not only working side-by-side with extraterrestrial consultants at covert government laboratories, but of developing personal friendships with them. His account of a classified meeting in London attended by military intelligence representatives from developed countries, and including the Vatican, gives a fascinating glimpse into the day-to-day struggle to coordinate world policy on how to manage extraterrestrial contact."

"The book talks about Dr. Wolf's cloning of a soldier called GI Joe as part of the government's Black Operations program called Project Sentinel. It talks about Michael's childhood and adult experiences of contact with several races of "Galactic Visitors" and how he was used by the US government as an "interface" or Intergalactic Ambassador worldwide; how he was sent to Vietnam as Flight surgeon and called back by LBJ because he was too precious and was needed; how he worked at area 51 (S4) on genetic research, cloning and neurotoxins (the King Cobra has 144 different ones); how he did undercover work for "the Company" ( CIA ) and lived in Rome...."

"This Trilogy is written only because I firmly believe that people have rights: They deserve to know! I do not seek forgiveness. I swear eternal hostility upon those who would rule the minds of men. In a so-called "free" society, the right to know must exist. If a man sees, hears, and feels, he cannot be told he did not see, he did not hear, he did not feel, for this is the 'Tyranny over the mind of man.' This tyranny must end...now."

"I am overwhelmed with the knowledge that the majority of global citizens are deliberately kept ignorant of what is happening, what has been happening since the beginning of human history."

Michael Wolf

Although this is a book I would like to own and read I refuse to pay $163 for it at the low end of the scale and will see if the library has it. From the reviews it is a difficult read, however Wolf is a multi-disciplinary researcher: M.D. in neurology, PhD in theoretical physics, a degree in computer science, jet pilot, etc. He has flown recon missions over 'Nam,' protected war orphans, cloned prototype soldiers in unethical medical experiments, served as a courier for the CIA to East Germany, created "organic" computers, worked with ET's, etc. He is an abductee from the age of 11, and has spent a lifetime working on Black projects.

[lightblue]

thanks for posting the ppics carol

do we know why are they fuzzy (exept the bulging eyed one)?who are they taken by..if you know..thanks again
best wishes l

[Carol]

I was told that aliens absorb the light so that is part of the problem. Cavallo's photos are polaroid. All of the photos are taken by the contactees before digital cameras.

[lightblue]

Dear Anna

thanks for the story.
you say you learned to protect yourself
very painful personal experiences to protect myself, and not to be too "open".

if it's not too personal, what sort of protection do you use?
how do you know the visitations were ET and not the lower astarl ones? any idea?
thanks again l

[Agape]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHi9gp5iDqk&feature=related

Hope this helps, exciting subject !

A

[eleni]

dear Eleni, i admire your courage..

who do you think placed a saving interference in your brain? how do you know that your abductors from a while ago didn't implant some device inside your body? if you are sure they haven't - what is it that make you sure?

thanks very much l

Lightblue- I cannot give out the info who put the interface in there to disrupt them from taking me- the person did it in person and let's just say there are some *good* guys who work in black ops that are tired of seeing subjects in distress.

Lightblue I didn't say said they didn't implant devices in my body- I know they did because I can feel one.

[lightblue]

hi eleni, thanks

Lightblue I didn't say said they didn't implant devices in my body- I know they did because I can feel one.

i know you didn't say it, that bit was inconclusive and so i just assumed you didn't know...so you can feel you have it... how do you cope knoiwing that you carry that thing inside your body? considered removing it surgically?
you are so brave..
best wishes l

[eleni]

[QUOTE=Carol;:

1. The majority of the humaniod aliens that I've researched are very spiritual and telepathic. They can use mind control to create bi and tri location. They can also use mind control to compel a person to meet with them)

_
Carol,
Yes, you are right about that.
I do have some personal experiences of telepathic communication with "humanoid aliens", or whatever they might have been, until I learned through very painful personal experiences to protect myself, and not to be too "open".

It all started back in 2000, when I changed a few e-mails with a man, with whom I seemed to share some pastlife experiences, and same kind of "alien interests" (though our "soulenergy" or whatever one may call it, seem to originate from different starsystems or planets. He is connected to Orion spiritual wars.)

We arranged to meet face to face in a cafe after changing a few e-mails.

When I entered that cafe there were also a tall, thin, zombie looking man dressed in all black waiting, but luckily he was not my new friend.
(my "orion" friend said that he can see a downward pointing triangle on the top of that black dressed man's head .)

After that cafe meeting I started to see that black dressed man all too often, he seemed to be everywhere I was.

A few times I heard a clear message in my head asking me to be at a certain time in a certain special place, for example, in a cafe by the sea. When I walked in that cafe in that specified time, I found that black dressed man waiting.

Once, when I was in a restaurant at the same time with him, I walked over to him to ask why he was following me, what he wanted out of me etc.
He said that I was following him.

He had most strangest energyfield, like a black hole, soaking up other's spiritual energy.

But, they, like him, tend to have a certain charisma, mystical (black) energy, that some might find attractive.

I do not think that he was "a bad guy", very human to me, but -,
I think that he was used by something outside himself, by "a forcefield" or by "negative aliens" . I do not know whether he was aware of it or not.
But I doubt.

anne

That is very interesting.......to say the least......I know what you mean about the dark one's being attractive, it's very seductive IMO and that's what makes it easy for mind control games to be played out.

[eleni]

http://www.paolaharris.com/images/clarionchild.jpg
Cavallo's picture of a child from Clarion

These pictures are from Paola Harris's site as she was the person who did the one-on-one interviews with a number of contactees.

http://www.paolaharris.com/timing.htm

http://www.paolaharris.com/images/timing/wolf%20aliensjpg.jpg
This is both a picture of Michael Wolf and a Pleiadian ~ SA RA from Altair 4

http://www.amazon.com/Catchers-Heaven-Trilogy-Michael-Wolf/dp/0805939075/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1265219417&sr=8-1-fkmr0

"The Catchers of Heaven" is a blockbuster tell-all book by a scientist on the National Security Council's secret subcommittee that manages UFO matters. From his position on the executive committee of what is popularly known as MJ-12, Dr. Michael Wolf was in a position to know virtually everything about UFOs and extraterrestrial contact with Earth over the last 50 years. In amazing first-person chapters, he talks about not only working side-by-side with extraterrestrial consultants at covert government laboratories, but of developing personal friendships with them. His account of a classified meeting in London attended by military intelligence representatives from developed countries, and including the Vatican, gives a fascinating glimpse into the day-to-day struggle to coordinate world policy on how to manage extraterrestrial contact."

"The book talks about Dr. Wolf's cloning of a soldier called GI Joe as part of the government's Black Operations program called Project Sentinel. It talks about Michael's childhood and adult experiences of contact with several races of "Galactic Visitors" and how he was used by the US government as an "interface" or Intergalactic Ambassador worldwide; how he was sent to Vietnam as Flight surgeon and called back by LBJ because he was too precious and was needed; how he worked at area 51 (S4) on genetic research, cloning and neurotoxins (the King Cobra has 144 different ones); how he did undercover work for "the Company" ( CIA ) and lived in Rome...."

"This Trilogy is written only because I firmly believe that people have rights: They deserve to know! I do not seek forgiveness. I swear eternal hostility upon those who would rule the minds of men. In a so-called "free" society, the right to know must exist. If a man sees, hears, and feels, he cannot be told he did not see, he did not hear, he did not feel, for this is the 'Tyranny over the mind of man.' This tyranny must end...now."

"I am overwhelmed with the knowledge that the majority of global citizens are deliberately kept ignorant of what is happening, what has been happening since the beginning of human history."

Michael Wolf

Although this is a book I would like to own and read I refuse to pay $163 for it at the low end of the scale and will see if the library has it. From the reviews it is a difficult read, however Wolf is a multi-disciplinaryresearcher: M.D. in neurology, PhD in theoretical physics, a degree in computer science, jet pilot, etc. He has flown recon missions over 'Nam,' protected war orphans, cloned prototype soldiers in unethical medical experiments, served as a courier for the CIA to East Germany, created "organic" computers, worked with ET's, etc. He is an abductee from the age of 11, and has spent a lifetime working on Black projects.

I've wanted Wolf's book too!:original:

[Luminari]

Eleni + Carol;

Yes I tried to find a cheaper copy of Dr Wolfs book many times... couldnt even find an ebook of it. I bought his DVD "The Gateway Treatment" for $40... DO NOT BUY THIS! its a trashy bootleg and with all due respect Michael Wolf has the most horrible sounding voice and speaks in a monotone.. it was extremely painful to listen to.

Carol the pic of SA RA the pleiadian guy (from Altair 4)... yes that is on the back cover of the book. Well just a thought; Altair 4 is in Orion... which must make him a 'nordic' Orion, I don't know if he could be Pleiadian.

a side note; Treaty of Altair


The Anunnaki legions (except for Enoch's group) chose to break their original 1992 Pleidian Sirian Agreement (of shared Human and Annu-Melchizedek co-guardianship of Earth's Templar) because the Emerald Covenant Founders would not give in to their demands that the entire human race of Earth be place under the sole elitist dominion of Annu-Melchizedek Anunnaki hybrid races of Inner Earth and refused to submit to the Anunnaki self-serving demand of dominion over humanity's right to freedom and equality.

The Emerald Covenant Founders races continued negotiations with any Anunnaki group still interested in peaceful resolution of this building conflict and on July 5, 2000 a new treaty called the Treaty of Altair was agreed upon through which most of the defecting Anunnaki groups reluctantly agreed to re-enter the Emerald Covenant agreement.

Through the Treaty of Altair, the Anunnaki races of Orion were granted protection from the Drakonian invasion, if the Anunnaki legions would honor their original 1992 Emerald Covenant promises, abandon their intended Earth dominion agendas and immediately release Solar Star Gate-4.

[annemirri]

a.

[annemirri]

a.

[eleni]

[QUOTE=Carol;226867]The clones are very good at blending in with the different societies and cultures of this world. Different alien type clones enjoy life here on this planet. ...]


What is a clone, or an alien clone?

"An identical copy of an original organism or thing, genetically identical to
another living organism ".

So, it is the body, outer shell, created by DNA machine ?

My mother is an identical twin, so she shares with her sister same genetic code, so she is "a clone" of her sister or other way round. But, they have different "souls", awareness, as souls cannot be cloned ?

So, even in the clones there must be something that is "original" or "unique", if they are not robots with computerized mind.

I do believe that most of us, if not all, are "human looking alien clones " experiencing life here on this planet.

anne

Even identical twins have subtle differences- I have identical twin daughters.
Separate souls, yes.

I wonder about cloning- Walter Vetsch went into it heavily in his article in Dot Connecter- I have yet to look up his website.

[annemirri]

[a.

[Luminari]

Well just a thought; Altair 4 is in Orion... which must make him a 'nordic' Orion, I don't know if he could be Pleiadian.

a side note;

:mfr_lol: Well I apologise profusely... I must be stupid.

Altair is in Aquila of course not Orion, It was quite late when I wrote that.

The worst part is that I know it well and was actually showing my brothers how to find Aquila in the sky only a couple of weeks ago. Its a really distinctive constellation.

Once again, anyone reading this, please accept my humble apology.

[Agape]

One fact I am reminded of here over and over again , is that the whole ETI agenda is several thousand times more complicated than human brain is able to proceed in average right now,
what I mean to say is that humankind still very much remains in the process of search for unified theory of themselves and ET intelligencies are far above their comprehension .


There are not many people actively involved with ETs as there few genuine encounters i believe .

Few with long term interactions but those are almost always happening away from public eyes. I don't think that ETs love publicity and that's also one of the chief keys to disclosure of their presence .

They are 'finding ways' with us, on several distinct levels. The main difficulty is very physical in nature, dimensional you may say.
Each star system is physical system of specific interactions that can or can not support life ..
The systems are similar but no way completely alike. It's similar difficulty like when you are trying to contact aquatic animals like dolphins or research submarine life .
Else, you may be well standing few meters apart but there's little way of insight to each others presence.
This problem is being solved over time by various ET intelligencies as we know .



If you try to decipher the ET systems with your human mind, you are destined to do mistakes or your human mind breaks. One of the things has to break because the systems do not match.
But, you can always use your super-mind to see inside but , you might not be able to express it.

Likewise i'd say and hope some share the same opinion, that the best of ET information i'm unable to express (?)

It's more like scatching a picture of something very complicate in reality, even if it's in front of your own eyes you may not be able to describe,
that's the general 'human' difficulty.

Some ETs use human bodies as vehicles too .


A:king:

[Agape]

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Very interesting video, recommended.

A

[Carol]

http://www.alienufoart.com/images/48-NordicAliensI.jpg
Nordic as drawn by William McDonald ~ forensic reconstruction artist
http://www.alienufoart.com/images/49-NordicAliensII.jpg
http://www.alienufoart.com/AlienArt6.htm


http://www.alienufoart.com
http://www.alienufoart.com/AlienArt1.htm
http://www.alienufoart.com/AlienArt2.htm

http://www.alienufoart.com/images/alienglowwhite1.jpg
"Glow White Gray"

http://www.alienufoart.com/images/commNeo.jpg
Neonate Alien

http://www.alienufoart.com/images/9-MantisAlienGrey.jpg
"Mantis (ancients) - Grey Alien"
http://www.alienufoart.com/images/4-ArgonautFamilyAlbum1.jpg
http://www.alienufoart.com/Commissions.htm

[annemirri]

a.

[Carol]

http://ufocasebook.com/bettywithbust.jpg
Bust of Betty Hill's alien astronaut
http://www.ufocasebook.com/hillabduction.html

http://www.ufocasebook.com/starmap.jpg

[Agape]

I have some pictures may post them later feel a bit shy ..

A:king:

[Carol]

Your pictures would be most welcome Agape. :)

This story is from the casebook files: http://www.ufocasebook.com/1978spanishencounter.html

Location. Near Alicante, Spain- Date: July 5 1978

...."But suddenly he realized that the voice was calling him by his name, he thought that it must be someone he knew and in the darkness he now could see a tall, human like figure, about 1.80m in height, maybe taller.

The figure wore a tight-fitting semi-transparent coverall, which the witness thought was strange since it was very hot. The figure's face was normal in appearance except for large luminous slightly slanted eyes.

Immediately the witness felt a sense of peace and tranquility as he and the stranger established a telepathic conversation. Using the telepathy the tall figure confirmed to the witness that he was indeed an extraterrestrial and meant him no harm and was on earth on a peace mission.

The extraterrestrial told the witness that earth scientists did not know about his planet since it was in a "dark zone" in which telescopes or other types of equipment were unable to reach.

He added that using our fastest spaceships it would take humans hundreds of years to reach his planet using our outdated technology". They traveled using a concept that did not deal with speed or distance and was totally incomprehensible to current earth physics.

The surprised witness then pointed out that the visitor was indeed human in appearance; the extraterrestrial smiled slightly and said, "Of course, in our planets we are all humans just like you.

There are certain anatomical differences but they are slight. However what makes us much difference from earthlings is not the physical matter but the inequality of our evolutions, first mental and then astral and spiritually."

The extraterrestrial added that humans were still evolving in the "physical plane" but were in the brink in initiating a mental and astral evolution and then spiritual evolution which will change humanity forever. But he then added that we were still a long way from this threshold.

The witness then asked if there were other different extraterrestrial civilizations, the stranger said, "Of course there are, many come in peace others to observe and others are not our friends, since the forces of evil and good exist throughout the cosmos.

Later the extraterrestrial added rather cryptically, "I am authorized to answer most of your questions, you see my contact with you was very carefully planned, take it with calm, remember the time factor doesn't matter, this exchange will take only a few minutes of your time, you can ask all the questions you like, if they are concrete I will attempt to answer them.

The witness then went on to ask numerous questions, like why they didn't pick some important politician to contact, the extraterrestrial told him that politicians were not in their interest since they did not act in a spiritual manner.

He added that his planet was governed by a council consisting of their most adept and intelligent of their species, it was sort of a one planetary government. The witness then asked if they believed in God, the extraterrestrial said "Yes but we discard the anthropomorphic concept which humans developed.

He then insisted that the witness did not ask any more questions about God since he was too high up to talk about him. He then added that humans only needed to "love" God.

The witness then asked which planets in our solar system had life, the answer was that eons ago there had been life on Venus, Mars and even on our moon. There still remain many hidden bases on those planets some of which have been detected by our astronauts and kept secret.

The stranger also added that there was an advanced civilization on Jupiters moon Ganymede, which was similar to that of Earths and was striving to make contact with humans. He also added that Neptune contained a "hidden" civilization which was impossible for humans to see.

There were countless inhabited worlds in the known universe which they knew, they had counted more than 120,000 so far, many less advanced than that of the human civilization.

The witness then asked the inevitable question, "What happens when we die? The answer was surprising, There is no absolute death. The different religions on your planet explain it very capably, although with essential differences.

The witness then asked, Who was Jesus Christ, the answer, "Somebody who you have not yet totally understood? How can we understand him better? asked the witness. Just try to understand this; his main message was one, "LOVE", which is the way, the spiritual way, was the answer.

The visitor then added, humanity should not fear us, they should only fear themselves, thats were the danger lies. At this point the witness insisted in a clarification of the statement but the visitor remained silent.

Upon asking if there were extraterrestrials of difference appearance from that of humans, the visitor said, that evolution has not been equal throughout the Universe and there exists some marked differences in some species.

The visitor then spoke about his home planet, "Our planet has been inhospitable for thousands of years now. A thick slab of ice several kilometers thick covers it. But our ancestors managed to survive and under extreme hardships overcame the abstractness of matter and cosmic evolution, in that way we have been able to build vast gardens on the ice and build huge underground cities, in which there exists neither heat nor cold".

Their main source of energy was a white form of cosmic energy which they called Abuchal.

Finally the witness asked the visitor his name, "My name is Naazra-Abuc. I am the second in command of the craft that you have seen. Forgive us for disabling your vehicles electrical system, it is a simple method which earthling will soon learn how to use."

The witness said that no one will believe his story, but was told by the visitor that only he had to believe it.

Moments later the figure disappeared into the darkness and minutes later the witness saw a large luminous disc rise into the sky and disappear to the witness. The witness' vehicle then started and he noticed that it was now only 0233 AM."

source and references:

Source: Manuel Nava Arcos, Los Grandes Contactados

[Agape]

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Classified :naughty:

A

[K626]

Not clones.

[Agape]

I got tears in my eyes...there are no words to express,
all words are too weak, too human,
people demand me to share, to enlighten them, give insight, but how do I do that ?

Channelling is a ridiculous activity.

It is inner knowing, feeling, different kind of awareness,
you cannot teach anyone about alien encounters until you have experienced one yourself.
But,
it always touches one's heart and soul to meet someone who "knows",

Luckily I am a woman, a mother who was able to give a birth to other
"alien minds" which has eased the load.

and yet, there is the feeling that I cannot keep all that to myself.

anne

Hello Anne ,

thanks for sharing your page and blog post with me , it's beautiful, you are beautiful , please keep it growing..

It's not easy to express ones-self about ETs at first, one has to learn to do it, it's a process .
After all, most of our human mums&dads taught us everything else but to speak about ETs . It's part of our brain work as you are trying to point out in your blog , creative - translation work, and it takes time but it's important not to let this part of ourselves remain neglected .

While we are able to name things, rationalize, those many undistinguished feelings and experiences, phenomena happening within and outside of our usual range of experience, are getting organized , linked to reality, 'translated' to contiuum of human perception, understood though not without questions.

Not letting ourselves being 'dragged by the crowd' , allegorically, is also very important. On one hand there's huge denial from average society to this subject that , on the other hand promotes 'forced disclosure' within initiated groups and circles.

Those who did not have similar range of experience can't quite appreciate the quality of insiders experience. Be it our knowledge or sufferings .
Mainstream science , at least the open part of it, hardly has names and proper classification of ET encounters , medical problems associated with them, their impact on human mind not been researched fully.

Are ETs in control over these issues ? Not fully either and they are waiting for us to do our part, I believe.


It is important to sort it with them and ones own self first ..determine what feels to be the message that they've meant to pass through you to others, as with your best friends and family, not all can be shared openly .


A

[Agape]

Thank you Carol. I'm giving it a thought ...it's a long story that would need thorough explanation and we're fighting to get things on more professional grounds, that itself is very tough job.

A:original:

[Virma De Ris]

Interesting post titled Pentagon to make 'immortal organisms'

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=118127&sectionid=3510203

:shocked:

[Carol]

This is from the Orion Technology and Other Secret Projects site.

"What about these synthetic humans?

Human cloning was developed at the University of Utah at Salt Lake City in 1977. They first aired this on TV as part of a series. They had an alleged human clone on TV that they were interviewing. It didn't talk very well. They showed the original human and the clone. The clone was not all that successful. It took 14 months to generate a fully adult human clone in a tank. It was a two part series. The second part of the series never aired, for obvious reasons. CIA sources have confirmed that it started at the University of Utah. The government has a facility for clones. The first one was built in the Mount Hood area, about sixty miles east of Portland, Oregon. They have other facilities in other locations. Locations must have stable geomagnetic fields and other special characteristics or the cloning process does not work properly. They can replicate them faster now. They have clones of all the major government figures. This is partly for security reasons. it also creates the situation that when someone falls out of favor, they clone the person and kill the original. This kind of thing apparently happens with some frequency."

Located toward the end of the article.
http://www.whale.to/b/orion.html

[K626]

This is from the Orion Technology and Other Secret Projects site.

"What about these synthetic humans?

Human cloning was developed at the University of Utah at Salt Lake City in 1977. They first aired this on TV as part of a series. They had an alleged human clone on TV that they were interviewing. It didn't talk very well. They showed the original human and the clone. The clone was not all that successful. It took 14 months to generate a fully adult human clone in a tank. It was a two part series. The second part of the series never aired, for obvious reasons. CIA sources have confirmed that it started at the University of Utah. The government has a facility for clones. The first one was built in the Mount Hood area, about sixty miles east of Portland, Oregon. They have other facilities in other locations. Locations must have stable geomagnetic fields and other special characteristics or the cloning process does not work properly. They can replicate them faster now. They have clones of all the major government figures. This is partly for security reasons. it also creates the situation that when someone falls out of favor, they clone the person and kill the original. This kind of thing apparently happens with some frequency."

Located toward the end of the article.
http://www.whale.to/b/orion.html

This is pure fantasy. No human clone has managed to live more than 3 years thus far, there is something missing in the process than they have yet to understand. There are human clones around but they are a mix of "us" from the future and some made off world by "others".

[Carol]

This is another interesting website.

http://www.alienobserver.com/files/text/mojave7.html

[Carol]

This is pure fantasy. No human clone has managed to live more than 3 years thus far, there is something missing in the process than they have yet to understand. There are human clones around but they are a mix of "us" from the future and some made off world by "others".

And how would you know this?

[K626]

And how would you know this?

That's classified Carol my sweet. :tongue2:

Btw there is a lot of misinformation reg clones as it has been found to be a good tool in the fear matrix by the ptb.

[Majorion]

This is pure fantasy. No human clone has managed to live more than 3 years thus far, there is something missing in the process than they have yet to understand. There are human clones around but they are a mix of "us" from the future and some made off world by "others".
I can believe that 'off world' clones or synthetic beings exist, but, human clones? I think there's ongoing experimentation, but these are the type of things that require a big breakthrough, just like 'warp drive' or something of that nature, which is exactly what I'm skeptical about, I don't think these breakthroughs have been made just yet, but we're probably as close to it now as ever.

[Carol]

Well the thought of clones doesn't phase me a bit given that we started off with Dolly the sheep in 1996, 14 years ago. :tongue2:

And it doesn't surprise me if human clones are tra la la ing about either. And my info is classified as well. Refer to photo below.

http://www.nextnature.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/dolly_cloned_sheep.jpg :lmao:

[Majorion]

Well the thought of clones doesn't phase me a bit given that we started off with Dolly the sheep in 1996, 14 years ago. :tongue2:

And it doesn't surprise me if human clones are tra la la ing about either. And my info is classified as well. :lmao:

Well if they're doing it anywhere, my bet would be dulce new mexico. Anywhere there are cattle mutilations is most likely where this experimentation is going on, sometimes the simplest explanation is the best one, occams razor, unless anyone can point me to a cattle mutilation case outside north america, because I have yet to hear of any. The explanation about aliens doing these things are far more presumptuous than assuming what the atypical murderous humans have been doing for centuries, which I firmly believe is the most reasonable explanation.

[K626]

I can believe that 'off world' clones or synthetic beings exist, but, human clones? I think there's ongoing experimentation, but these are the type of things that require a big breakthrough, just like 'warp drive' or something of that nature, which is exactly what I'm skeptical about, I don't think these breakthroughs have been made just yet, but we're probably as close to it now as ever.

My understanding is that there has been a paradigm shift with regard to this and the mischief making has almost come to a halt due to intervention. The fnal pieces of the jigsaw are not available and infact are "not on the table" from those who could make it a whole lot easier. "Off world" product is being managed for behaviour mod purposes and also for observation - in the sense that they are sometimes used as "vehicles". I've kept it as vague as possible and am comfortable with what I've posted. I can safely say that "off world" cloning has nothing to do with cells and is more about "taking a picture".

*It is widely written btw that even simian cloning has only worked in about 2% of attempts as the dna uptake is flawed, there seems to be some kind of natural barrier.

Peace.

K.

[K626]

Well the thought of clones doesn't phase me a bit given that we started off with Dolly the sheep in 1996, 14 years ago. :tongue2:

And it doesn't surprise me if human clones are tra la la ing about either. And my info is classified as well. http://www.nextnature.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/dolly_cloned_sheep.jpg :lmao:

:original:

[gita]

Well if they're doing it anywhere, my bet would be dulce new mexico. Anywhere there are cattle mutilations is most likely where this experimentation is going on, sometimes the simplest explanation is the best one, occams razor, unless anyone can point me to a cattle mutilation case outside north america, because I have yet to hear of any. The explanation about aliens doing these things are far more presumptuous than assuming what the atypical murderous humans have been doing for centuries, which I firmly believe is the most reasonable explanation.


I have heard of cattle mutilation in UK. Here's a quote;

'Most reports have been received from the United States. But the phenomenon exists elsewhere too. In his book “Open Skies, Closed Minds,” Nick Pope, former guardian of the British X-Files, who manned the “UFO desk” at the Ministry of Defence, acknowledges that strange animal mutilations had been found in Britain also. Nor is it confined exclusively to cattle. Horses have also been affected.'

Rest of article can be read here;

http://www.ufoencounters.co.uk/CattleMutilations.html

[Majorion]

I have heard of cattle mutilation in UK. Here's a quote;

'Most reports have been received from the United States. But the phenomenon exists elsewhere too. In his book “Open Skies, Closed Minds,” Nick Pope, former guardian of the British X-Files, who manned the “UFO desk” at the Ministry of Defence, acknowledges that strange animal mutilations had been found in Britain also. Nor is it confined exclusively to cattle. Horses have also been affected.'

Rest of article can be read here;

http://www.ufoencounters.co.uk/CattleMutilations.html

Hi gita, from the article:

The first cattle mutilation reports began to be received in the 1960s

Most reports have been received from the United States.

New Mexico, scene of the famous Roswell incident, has been a hotspot for cattle mutilations. And Montana, home to Malmstrom Air Force Base, which has often been linked to the UFO mystery, is another.

This supports my theory that the mutilation phenomena is predominant to north america, not necessarily confined indefinitely, but definitely predominant.

And notice it started roughly in the 1960s, now that's a clear indicator of something that began within a human relative time frame, knowing that various aliens have been around on earth for a much much longer time, one must ask why these mutilations had not begun that much earlier as well, the most logical answer is because they have nothing to do with it, and the time frame and predominant locale is consistent with the development of black government experimentation programs.

[Majorion]

*It is widely written btw that even simian cloning has only worked in about 2% of attempts as the dna uptake is flawed, there seems to be some kind of natural barrier.
I would certainly hope. :original:

[Ammit]

I have heard of cattle mutilation in UK. Here's a quote;

'Most reports have been received from the United States. But the phenomenon exists elsewhere too. In his book “Open Skies, Closed Minds,” Nick Pope, former guardian of the British X-Files, who manned the “UFO desk” at the Ministry of Defence, acknowledges that strange animal mutilations had been found in Britain also. Nor is it confined exclusively to cattle. Horses have also been affected.'

Rest of article can be read here;

http://www.ufoencounters.co.uk/CattleMutilations.html

Dont forget the human mutilations also. Before my pc tower burst into flames a few years ago, I had a huge amount of files which included such reports.

[gita]

Dont forget the human mutilations also. Before my pc tower burst into flames a few years ago, I had a huge amount of files which included such reports.

Yea, I suspect there’s more human mutilations than reported. I’m thinking this could be due to the human body actually being used as food also and that’s why we don’t see as many dumped corpses as we see cattle- just a thought!!:rolleyes:

[Ammit]

I actually re-started my research on it when I lived in Looe recently with some family. Will have to find time to continue with it.

[gita]

I actually re-started my research on it when I lived in Looe recently with some family. Will have to find time to continue with it.

It’d be interesting to see your findings. It may be a good idea to back up files on an external device in case pc tower bursts into flames again!:naughty:

[Ammit]

LOL, yes i do nowadays, I am still transfering files from an amiga system i was useing when I investigated ufo sightings years ago.

[gita]

...when I lived in Looe recently with some family.

Looe is not that far from me - If you're ever round Plymouth area give us a shout. :original:

[Carol]

This interview by Al Bielek had a lot of interesting info.

Al Bielek, Orion Technology & Other Secret Projects Interview
http://www.world-famous.com/MontaukStuff/Montauk-Project-V2.html

exert from interview:

Human Clones

Human cloning was developed at the University of Utah at Salt Lake City in 1977. They first aired this on TV as part of a series. They had an alleged human clone on TV that they were interviewing. It didn't talk very well. They showed the original human and the clone. The clone was not all that successful. It took 14 months to generate a fully adult human clone in a tank. It was a two part series. The second part of the series never aired, for obvious reasons. CIA sources have confirmed that it started at the University of Utah. The government has a facility for clones. The first one was built in the Mount Hood area, about sixty miles east of Portland, Oregon. They have other facilities in other locations. Locations must have stable geomagnetic fields and other special characteristics or the cloning process does not work properly. They can replicate them faster now. They have clones of all the major government figures. This is partly for security reasons. It also creates the situation that when someone falls out of favor they clone the person and kill the original. This kind of thing apparently happens with some frequency.

[lightblue]

hi
Carol, you posted exactly the same content yesterday..you must have overlooked.
best wishes l

[Agape]

That's an exaggerrated bunch of con-fusions..:original: Goevernment figures may have doubles, not clones. But, lots of people , common society, look more like clones to me recently..

the army of decent men in grey suits marching from their offices, banks, every 5.30 to 6.30 pm ..they look perfect, with stony clean shaved smiles , are they smiles .

This is how parlament looks, auditoriums of theathers and academies ..

I see they are getting grey like and not because it's our destiny but because very large portion of society was impregnated by them . Three four decades ago , repeatedly .

Do they grow human clones in tubes ? I don't know, I'm against cloning ..


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[Carol]

Indeed Blue it was an oversight and thank you.

Agape, I don't think good things come from cloning and am against it too. When the W56's cloned themselves the CTR clones were missing a vital component. A conscious. They are very similar to the greys in their psychological make-up if that is even possible. And the greys are clones as well. Left brain, techy oriented and missing the spiritual element.

However, I have heard of places where the clones are made and Camp David was mentioned in the past as well. One would want to think clones are not being made to replace figureheads however, I don't know if this is true or not. It is something that is floating around there on the net and similar info comes from some of the abductees.

I can also see how someone completely rational and telling the truth about something like this would be completed discredited as a means to keep it covered up if true. Fact, clones were made from the W56s and this has been going on for years. How do we know that humans aren't doing the same thing?

[Luminari]

I finished the "Mass Contacts" book Carol. Did you enjoy it?

The first section of the book dealing with the UMMO contacts was my fav.. I found some parts of it hysterically funny :lol3: I won't spoil it, but I thoroughly enjoyed reading it.

The 'Amicizia' Friendship Contacts in Italy (aka W56's) and other countries section was informative although I don't feel the translation was very successful. Some comments at the end were derisive towards the abduction phenomena etc too which was disconcerting. A glimpse into this untold history from an Italian perspective although I feel too much detail was glossed over or deliberately withheld, the author even admits as much.

Worth looking into though for the UFO researcher.

Thanks.

[Carol]

I'm still reading and have a ways to go. Even the Forward by Roberto Pinotti was very informative.