Hugo Chavez Blames HAARP for Earthquake in Haiti

[JudgeMental]

Russia Today discusses what Hugo Chavez recently exposed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gzOS9qSBQA

[metaw3]

It's been debunked and posted on another thread (haiti haarp):
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=227918&highlight=true#post227918
http://theantipress.blogspot.com/2010/01/truth-over-ideological-delusion-hugo.html

[JudgeMental]

Debunked my foot! This information is everywhere. Benjamin Fulford is another to claim this. Here is that thread.

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19368&highlight=fulford

I'm not buying any debunking. Been sold enough lies.

[Karen]

It's been debunked and posted on another thread (haiti haarp):
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=227918&highlight=true#post227918
http://theantipress.blogspot.com/2010/01/truth-over-ideological-delusion-hugo.html



On January 19, Spanish newspaper ABC, a newspaper of record in Spain, published a story entitled Chavez accuses US of causing earthquake in Haiti.

The story was quickly picked up by websites around the globe - most quoting Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez as saying the U.S. used a new tectonic weapon to induce the Haitian earthquake. This was, according to Chavez - "only a drill, and the final target is destroying and taking over Iran".

Within the actual story, ABC noted that the information came from an obscure opinion post on the website of a Venezuelan state television channel, VIVE Television. The post referenced a supposed Russian military report on American seismic weapons.

All quotes subsequently attributed to Chavez regarding Haiti and earthquake weapons were in fact direct quotes from this web posting - none of which was ever uttered by Chavez.

Spurred on by the international attention being received by its first story, ABC posted a second article on January 20 under the banner The Secret Weapon to Cause Earthquakes in which it cites Chavez as having blamed the US for razing Haiti.

By the time the story had run its course, it had been covered with varying degrees of accuracy by corporate news channels, foreign outlets eager to accuse the U.S. of another evil deed, and conspiracy websites happy to have their ideas officially validated.

In the end, it serves as one more reminder to those who prefer truth over ideological delusion: there are some subjects for which the myths of journalistic standards will still be displayed - stories about the government of Venezuela are not one of those subjects.

[TRANCOSO]

viva cha!!!

[JudgeMental]

Still not buying the debunk stuff. To much evidence floating around to point to this being factual. And way to many debunking attempts to ignore it.

[JudgeMental]

Here is Richard C. Hoagland on Coast to Coast am also mentioning Hugo Chavez blaming HAARP.
Part 12 to 15

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6af45XUSLPI&feature=channel

Shall I keep posting more people saying this is facts?

[metaw3]

What's been debunked is that Chavez never said HAARP caused the quake. It's a misunderstanding. The video footage of Chavez used in the Russia Today news report has apparently nothing to do with him talking about HAARP. There is no recording of Chavez saying it.

[JudgeMental]

What about Hugo Chavez being on Russian television saying this? That "debunked" as well.

How about these clips from Hugo Chavez saying this in person.

This one is about HAARP. You hear him in the background.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqpOmEP4OOk

This one is about how people are being treated in Haiti that most likely just want some food.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSk968_EHeQ

[metaw3]

What about Hugo Chavez being on Russian television saying this? That "debunked" as well.

How about these clips from Hugo Chavez saying this in person.

This one is about HAARP. You hear him in the background.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqpOmEP4OOk


Exactly. Listen. "Spanish newspaper ABC quotes Chavez..." and the video is just some footage of Chavez. And ABC newspaper was actually quoting a Venezuelian article reporting Russian intelligence about HAARP. That's the misunderstanding: a website from Venezuela giving credits to Russian data about HAARP causing earthquakes is not Chavez accusing the US. The fault is all on the Spanish newspaper.

Here is the opinion article :
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A//www.rnv.gov.ve/noticias/index.php%3Fact%3DST%26f%3D15%26t%3D117754%26hl%3D haarp%26s%3D44e7f7e484c483fe89509032ea25dd70&hl=en&langpair=auto|en&tbb=1&ie=ISO-8859-1

posted on VIVE Television:
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A//74.125.93.132/search%3Fq%3Dcache%3Ahttp%253A//www.vive.gob.ve/inf_art.php%253Fid_not%253D15464%2526id_s%253D3&hl=en&langpair=auto|en&tbb=1&ie=UTF-8

It's not Chavez who said the quake was caused by HAARP. It's Marco Gonzalez Chevige (http://www.google.com/search?q=Marco+Gonzalez+Chevige&safe=off&hl=en) and here (http://www.google.com/search?q=Marco+Gonzalez+Chevige&hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&tbo=1&tbs=tl:1,tll:2009/06,tlh:2009/06&ei=lc1fS8npKMSj8Ab9mNmJDA&oi=timeline_histogram_main&ct=timeline-histogram&cd=6&ved=0CEIQyQEoBg), a reporter, whose article was posted on governmental Radio Nacional de Venezuela.

Here's a Google search for all pages containing "HAARP" on the government of Venezuela domain:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=site%3Agov.ve+haarp&aq=f&aql=&aqi=&oq=

Translate them with Google:
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A//www.rnv.gov.ve/noticias/%3Fact%3DST%26f%3D2%26t%3D117619&hl=en&langpair=auto|en&tbb=1&ie=ISO-8859-1

and find one that quotes Chavez as saying the earthquake was caused by HAARP. It could have been, but Chavez didn't say it.

On a side note, here is an interesting Venezuelian newspaper in English from Jan 22nd that I found while researching:
http://www.rnv.gov.ve/noticias/index.php?act=Attach&type=post&id=post-29-12641991642.ibf

[777 The Great Work]

HUGO means mind heart or spirit,like HUGO BOSS.
Taurus is the HUGO BOSS

Chavez means keys
HUGO CHAVEZ means keys to the heart.

The world is a stage, they want us to be afraid of the constellation, of the harp,known as LYRA.

[JudgeMental]

How much proof does one need I guess. This video released of Chavez today should help us out with the truth. Its in Spanish. There are a few parts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wBc7S3VzsY

[JudgeMental]

Glad I am listening to the source not "ABC News" I guess. As I said earlier "you hear him in the background" I am interested in his words. Not the news casts.

[swordsmith]

But why attach so much importance to Chavez? It IS looking very much like a haarp job, so evidence to support that is what we need , not words from another political figure. Where does he get HIS information? There are some laundry lists of why it must be haarp going around on the internet atm, but like most lists, it needs to be backed up further, then picked apart.

One of the weirdest things said by Richard Hoagland is in the Project Camelot interview when he mentions HAARP and says thank god there are some people "out there" doing things to HELP/save us.... wtf??? Hoagy...:shocked:

Hard evidence or at the very least the growing list of anomolies will do more than anything said by someone as controversial as Chavez.

[King Lear]

Commie Chavez is coo-coo as always!
Twin of the alcoholic Muslim Qaddafi.

Why should we haarp them?
The have nothing than dirt and voodoo.

Haarping them to spent millions of US $ in aid again?
Haarping them to stress our already stressed military even more?
To gain a base nearer to coo-coo-commie Venezuela?
C'mon!
We're already in neighbouring Columbia and our carriers are like floating bases and our B2s can reach coo-coo-Chavez from US soil!

He's just crazy and really hates America full-heartedly!
And by this ongoing USA-bashing he hasn't to solve his own country's problems!

It's nicer to play the world-commie-robin-hood than solving real problems!




:king:

[JudgeMental]

You need the truth to knock on the door? The more you try to "dubunk" this. The more people look into it. With all the information out pointing to HAARP being used. Basically I don't care who thinks this is not true. I'm hearing way more "dubunk" BS then about what Chavez is saying. Do you people even know what Chavez is saying or CNN got all the answers? You don't seem to be trying to hard to to listen.

The distraction disinfo agents trying to dubunk this blows my mind. Not one word about what's being said. But you are so certain its BS.

I can sit here all day and post FACTS about this. You can sit there trying to debunk the truth all you like. It only makes you look uneducated.

[Fredkc]

Hugo Chavez Blames HAARP for Earthquake in Haitiand I blame Chavez for my dog chewing my shoe.

Quick! Someone start a war! We're losing money!

Fred

[JudgeMental]

This is me winking back at you Fredkc. :cheers:

[Fredkc]

http://fredsitelive.com/fun/rofl.gif

[Christo888]

You need the truth to knock on the door? The more you try to "dubunk" this. The more people look into it. With all the information out pointing to HAARP being used. Basically I don't care who thinks this is not true. I'm hearing way more "dubunk" BS then about what Chavez is saying. Do you people even know what Chavez is saying or CNN got all the answers? You don't seem to be trying to hard to to listen.

The distraction disinfo agents trying to dubunk this blows my mind. Not one word about what's being said. But you are so certain its BS.

I can sit here all day and post FACTS about this. You can sit there trying to debunk the truth all you like. It only makes you look uneducated.

Ya, that is true, part of the process of nonwakers waking up, right? The funny part though is the 'propaganda machine' backfired on the individuals that are using our country for their own gain. The US didn't use HAARP, a few people who happen to have access to HAARP are using it.

I think it is important to strike a difference between the American people and the few putz's who are temporarily in a political role abusing their position, hiding behind their position, to reap for themselves and their cronies.

Name names of individuals instead of country's... even Ahmadinejad had no problem calling Bush the Devil himself.:lol3::roll1:

SO who, which individual is ordering or pulling the trigger of HAARP????

[JudgeMental]

Yes I agree we need names. This is why post #3 of this thread is important. Benjamin Fulford names some people. You are right about a couple bad apples using a Country.

[chelmostef]

SO who, which individual is ordering or pulling the trigger of HAARP????

That is a very good point...




My take on the did he say it did he not, is that it doesnt matter... Why would the main stream media pick up on somthing he didnt say about somthing "they" dont have........ Very odd.

If its done to discredit him and make him look like a clown. Then its better than blowing his brains out, if thats the motive, which I dont think its is. What is the reason they are running with the story???

[JudgeMental]

Yes. Let us all keep asking questions. More people starting new threads on this topic. Two today.

[TRANCOSO]

Commie Chavez is coo-coo as always!
Twin of the alcoholic Muslim Qaddafi.

Why should we haarp them?
The have nothing than dirt and voodoo.

Haarping them to spent millions of US $ in aid again?
Haarping them to stress our already stressed military even more?
To gain a base nearer to coo-coo-commie Venezuela?
C'mon!
We're already in neighbouring Columbia and our carriers are like floating bases and our B2s can reach coo-coo-Chavez from US soil!

He's just crazy and really hates America full-heartedly!
And by this ongoing USA-bashing he hasn't to solve his own country's problems!

It's nicer to play the world-commie-robin-hood than solving real problems!

:king:
This is meant to be funny, right?
As in 'Being-Funny-The-American-Way'.
Right?

If not, I rest my case & politely use a 'Yellow Face'.
:thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown::thumb down::thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown:

[TRANCOSO]

viva cha!!!
viva 'EL CHA'!!!

[feardia]

viva 'EL CHA'!!!

Hasta la vittoria siempre, mo chacho :naughty:

[JudgeMental]

Nothing more on this from anyone?

[Gnosis5]

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Eight Causes of Earthquakes

12. And the Venerable Ananda approached the Blessed One, and respectfully greeting him, sat down at one side. Then he spoke to the Blessed One, saying: "Marvellous it is indeed, and most wonderful! The earth shakes mightily, tremendously! Dreadful and astonishing it is how the thunders roll across the heavens! What could be the reason, what the cause, that so mighty an earthquake should arise?"

13. Then the Blessed One said: "There are eight reasons, Ananda, eight causes for a mighty earthquake to arise. What are those eight?

14. "This great earth, Ananda, is established upon liquid, the liquid upon the atmosphere, and the atmosphere upon space. And when, Ananda, mighty atmospheric disturbances take place, the liquid is agitated. And with the agitation of the liquid, tremors of the earth arise. This is the first reason, the first cause for the arising of mighty earthquakes.

15. "Again, Ananda, when an ascetic or holy man of great power, one who has gained mastery of his mind, or a deity who is mighty and potent, develops intense concentration on the delimited aspect of the earth element, and to a boundless degree on the liquid element, he, too, causes the earth to tremble, quiver, and shake. This is the second reason, the second cause for the arising of mighty earthquakes.

16-21. "Again, Ananda, when the Bodhisatta departs from the Tusita realm and descends into his mother's womb, mindfully and clearly comprehending; and when the Bodhisatta comes out from his mother's womb, mindfully and clearly comprehending; and when the Tathagata becomes fully enlightened in unsurpassed, supreme Enlightenment; when the Tathagata sets rolling the excellent Wheel of the Dhamma; when the Tathagata renounces his will to live on; and when the Tathagata comes to pass away into the state of Nibbana in which no element of clinging remains — then, too, Ananda, this great earth trembles, quivers, and shakes.

"These, Ananda, are the eight reasons, the eight causes for a great earthquake to arise. 27