Westboro Baptist Church Heckled outside Twitter HQ

[raulduke]

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Westboro Baptist Church Protests, Gets Protested Outside Twitter (http://www.asylum.com/2010/01/29/westboro-baptist-church-protests-gets-protested-outside-twitter/)

Jan 29th 2010 By Harmon Leon
Asylum Exclusive


Yesterday, the Westboro Baptist Church and their subtly named picket group, God Hates Fags, brought their dog-and-pony show to San Francisco. That's right -- the freaky people came to freak out the freaky people.

The religious group, based in Topeka, Kan., usually pickets soldiers' funerals, reasoning that they died defending a gay-loving country. Thursday, they set their sights on a larger target: the headquarters of the social media giant Twitter.

Apparently, God hates Twitter. Would it help matters if Jesus turned 140 characters into 280 characters?

At 4:30 p.m., surrounded by a police escort, the motley WBC crew -- comprised of four women and one large, clunky dude -- marched in front of the Twitter offices at 795 Folsom and kicked off the circus. But San Francisco's finest and funniest, who launched a counter-protest, were ready for them.



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[Humble Janitor]

The best way to counter the ignoramuses of the WBC is to not even pay attention to them.

Though there's nothing wrong with counter-protesting in a funny way.

[King Lear]

I watched some documentaries about WBC and I wondered as everyone:
"Why do these people do what they do? Why do they outlaw themselves?"

And finally I got it! I think, they want to be hated by the people as our lord was hated by the Jews, especially the Sanhedrins and Pharisees.

I think, that they think, only by suffering as much as Christ and being out-casted by their environment they can reach heaven.
I think they deeply believe that.

And the anti-Fag thing is perhaps a reaction to the aggressive ideology of homosexuality. To force that on young students isn't right either.

And at the end we all have freedom of speech!
As one can't be pregnant only a bit, you can't have only a bit of freedom of speech. All or nothing.

Or as Voltaire said:
"I may condemn WHAT you say, but I would die for your right to say it!"

:king:

[raulduke]

And finally I got it! I think, they want to be hated by the people as our lord was hated by the Jews, especially the Sanhedrins and Pharisees.

Sounds about right. I'm pretty sure that's what Phelps' grandaughters espouse here, though I was too fascinated by their giggling at the idea of dead soldiers to pay full attention to the full dialogue.

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:nono:

That's what they say when publicly asked, but to me, it seems they are simply desperate to stay out of "hell".

And at the end we all have freedom of speech!
As one can't be pregnant only a bit, you can't have only a bit of freedom of speech. All or nothing.

Indeed, either it's all fair game, or none of it is. As they say, it's not the popular speech that's in need of protection. To some extent I'm glad groups like the wbc are allowed to do what they do, just to have some insight into what makes them tick, which is fascinatingly puzzling to me. Also it let's them blow off some steam, hopefully releasing some pressure from the crazy tank.

I do enjoy seeing them defeated cleverly again and again.

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:lol3:

The contrast of facial expressions is priceless.

[Humble Janitor]

And the anti-Fag thing is perhaps a reaction to the aggressive ideology of homosexuality. To force that on young students isn't right either.

No one is forcing it onto anyone. People are simply seeking acceptance of who they are, much like African Americans, Women and Native Americans have for decades.

It is pathetic that in our world, it is still ok to bash, beat and harass gays.

The WBC is in the wrong and nothing you or anyone else says will change that.

[raulduke]

Thanks HJ I musta misread that somehow when I read KL's post before.

@KL

What is the "aggressive ideology of homosexuality" and how is it being forced on young students?

[Humble Janitor]

I can't believe people still have such opinions on a site like this.

So much for being open-minded, eh? Might as well go march with the WBC.

[King Lear]

No one is forcing it onto anyone. People are simply seeking acceptance of who they are, much like African Americans, Women and Native Americans have for decades.

It is pathetic that in our world, it is still ok to bash, beat and harass gays.

The WBC is in the wrong and nothing you or anyone else says will change that.


No question, the WBC people are nutty, but even they've the freedom of speech!

And of course it's forced onto students!
Gay activists try to make it part of the curriculum in school, that a child also can have a mom and a mom, or a dad and a dad!
And that's simply disgusting! To try to indoctrinate children with such abomination! Only people who are homosexuals themselves can apologize such disgusting behaviour!

And it's obvious that there's no other group in society that is so extroverted like the gay community and who wants to influence politics and wants to smash their private sexual orientation in other people's face!!!

And this isn't comparable to the African Americans.
Or why do you think the AAs opted against special rights for gays?



GOD created Adam and Eve - and not Adam and Steve!


:king:

[King Lear]

I can't believe people still have such opinions on a site like this.

So much for being open-minded, eh? Might as well go march with the WBC.



To be open-minded, does not mean to betray one's own principles!
In my opinion and many other's, it's simply wrong.

And we have the right of our OWN opinion and to speak it out openly!
Or do you want to bring all opions into line, like in the USSR?
Is that your definition of "open-minded"?


Again I've to remind of what Voltaire said:
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

Everyone who doesn't agree to that, has never understood democracy nor freedom of speech.



:king:

[AscendingStarseed]

I'm also surprised to see that kind of attitude here too, apparently an open mind has nothing to do with homophobia. Did you know that homophobia actually comes from a fear of ones own "latent" homosexual desires and tendencies? Homophobes have issues of their own they hasn't dealt with, meaning sometime in the past they've probably had sexual urges towards men that scared the hell out of them.

My mother has her phd in psychology and specialized in sex therapy, so I grew up learning all about this stuff...just like anything else these attitudes are stemmed in ignorance. It's sad that people feel it's right to treat people who are different in such an UNCHRISTIAN manner. But such hypocrisy is seen commonly amongst hard core christians, the same christians that would probably have Jesus arrested or put in a loony bin if he walked the Earth today. It's really sad to see how people have lost their humanity...

[Church]

King Lear, you have a lot of learning to do before the asteroid hits. It's sad to have to tell you this, but your posts are revealing much more about yourself than I think you are aware of.

It would be good to heal that broken part of yourself, now that it's being pointed out to you, right?

Otherwise, leave your gay bashing out of this thread. "Aggressive ideology." Did you realize how ignorant that sounded as you were typing it? Or have you realized it yet?

[Céline]

And the anti-Fag thing is perhaps a reaction to the aggressive ideology of homosexuality. To force that on young students isn't right either.




"I may condemn WHAT you say, but I would die for your right to say it!"



:king:

Aggressive ideology???


May i ask, do you believe gay people "force"their sexuality on young students?

[pyrangello]

These people are sick people , I am a biker and a vet, I was at a soldiers funeral last year as were many bikers standing shoulder to shoulder for a deceased army private who was killed in the line of duty . We created a tunnel of american flags for them to pass thru with the hearst . In the background were these life forms shouting many vulger words out . We couldn't do anything to these people physically so we took the next step and that was starting up about a dozen motorcycles and pointed all exhausts in there direction. Didn't take them long to leave and find some fresch air.

These people are doing the devils work here on earth, may god have mercy on their souls in the afterlife, there gonna need it.

[FIIISH]

From what I have seen, the Westboro group is desperate for
attention, and will go to any lengths to get it.

The anti-protesters in those pictues seem to be doing a pretty
good job of holding a mirror up to the absurdity of their behavior.

People are people, and there are many layers to each person-
sexuality being one of them.

Sexuality by nature is a continuum. There are people at both
ends of it, and everywhere in between.

It is much easier to find reasons to judge and disapprove of those
we do not understand than find ways to accept them as they are.

How many people project their feelings-positive and negative-onto
others? It happens more often that most would care to admit.

[MargueriteBee]

What is the "aggressive ideology of homosexuality" and how is it being forced on young students?[/QUOTE]


What I have been told by my niece is that her school (seventh grade) taught that it was very cool to be gay or bi. She said the girls were all encouraged by the lesbian teacher to get a girlfriend to be gay with. When I explained to her what is really meant to be a lesbian she was disgusted. I told her that that means she is not gay and not to let ANYONE talk her into it.

[Church]

^ Are you serious? Her school taught that it was very cool to be gay or bi. Not "her teacher taught her," even, but her school. First of all, you can't teach anyone to be gay. I want to laugh, but the absurdity that someone thinks this actually just makes me sad. Second of all, 12 year olds have a tendency to misinterpret things that adults say from time to time, so she may very well be distorting some facts. Third of all, even if this teacher is some kind of delinquent or disinfo agent, this is ONE person, so what possesses you to automatically equate this with "all gay people try forcing people to be gay?" And lastly, no one can be "talked into" being gay.

I say this so that you can rest, and assuage your fears, because obviously you are fearful of something you don't understand, i.e. homosexuality, and because I love you as a brother or sister, I want you to heal that part of yourself... gay-ness is not an accessory you pick up at the department store. And it's not something you can pin on someone's lapel, either. The only way any human can be "forced" to become gay would be by becoming victim of an electroshock brainwashing program, and if that IS the case with your niece's school, you should be concerned that they are trying to submit her to electroshock brainwashing at ALL, not simply at the direction they are brainwashing her in.

Oh she's not being kidnapped and subjected to waterboarding and other tactics? Yeah, that means she's not being forced to be gay, and no one is trying to make her gay.

There's a lot more homophobia than I expected to find, here, at a forum that claims to be open-minded and prepared to enter the next world, or whatever new agey claims are made by many people these days. It's funny to me, though. I like a good show. Oh yeah, to those of you that subscribe to the "aggressive ideology" claim, you might want to watch this Louis CK video. It's funny, and it will help you to heal that broken part of yourselves:

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I'm a heterosexual male, by the way, in a serious relationship with the same woman for over 3 years now. I have no agenda, other than waking people up, because polarity consciousness isn't making it into the next world, fortunately.

[raulduke]

And this isn't comparable to the African Americans.
Or why do you think the AAs opted against special rights for gays?


First of all nobody opted against "special rights" for gay people, it was against equal rights, like the ability to visit and make decisions for your significant other in the hospital in an emergency among others.

Secondly, the situation is actually quite similar to the civil rights movement. A group of minorities simply asking for the same rights afforded to every other citizen outside of themselves......sounds pretty similar to me?

Thirdly, I assume you're refering to the CA prop 8 issue when stating "AAs opted against...", yes, some support came for African American in that specific referendum, which when remembering the civil rights movement, makes for some real irony, but that was certainly not a national referendum, so to make blanket statements about an entire race of people is amiss imho.

[raulduke]

@Church: Brilliant post mate :thumb_yello:.

I love Louis, just started a thread here recently with another of his bits, and that's a great bit too, plenty blue :lol3:, but certainly appropriate in this thread.

Watch out for the Gaythering Storm btw!

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@KL and MargueriteBee:

I was wondering what your views on 'choosing' to be gay are. Do you think it's a choice?

If so, i.e; people choose their sexual orientaion, can you remember 'choosing' to be heterosexual?

For me it was never a choice, I just knew I liked the ladies (from a very young age :lol3:), and I know that nothing anybody might say could 'turn' me gay. Do you think it's possible to be 'turned' gay? And with all the discrimination, who would make that choice?

If it's a choice for some and not for everyone, what's the difference?

[King Lear]

I'm also surprised to see that kind of attitude here too, apparently an open mind has nothing to do with homophobia. Did you know that homophobia actually comes from a fear of ones own "latent" homosexual desires and tendencies? Homophobes have issues of their own they hasn't dealt with, meaning sometime in the past they've probably had sexual urges towards men that scared the hell out of them.

My mother has her phd in psychology and specialized in sex therapy, so I grew up learning all about this stuff...just like anything else these attitudes are stemmed in ignorance. It's sad that people feel it's right to treat people who are different in such an UNCHRISTIAN manner. But such hypocrisy is seen commonly amongst hard core christians, the same christians that would probably have Jesus arrested or put in a loony bin if he walked the Earth today. It's really sad to see how people have lost their humanity...



It's really funny, apologists of homosexuality always bring on this old story:
"if you're homophobe you're a crypto-homo...blah di blah di blah"

And then the next stereotype:
"My mother has a PHD... I'm so highly educated... that's why I am a better person and have so high moral standards... blah di blah di blah"


Can't you guys be a bit more innovative for God's sake?



I myself graduated from university, but never would I consider me to be a better person just because of that!
I know many people who are only highschool graduates and despite that they're much more intelligent as any moron with a PHD, they've something which these loons never can get - natural intelligence!
And these people also have much more healthier moral standards,
nothing out of textbooks!

And this isn't related to any religious fundamentalism, just a gut feeling.

And I know, you know-it-alls, you mr. smarty pants hate their guts!
Because deep inside yourself, you know that these plain people are RIGHT!


And another thing:
Me and many others aren't "homophobe"!
Because we don't FEAR Homos!

We're just disgusted by their behaviour.
There's no group on this earth, like the gays,
who constantly smear their private sexual orientation in people's face.
Publicly!

And try to influence little school children with their PRIVATE sexual orientation.

Have you ever seen a heterosexual wearing a t-shirt with "Hetero pride" written on it?
Or a man who's whining: "if you prohibit me to marry this woman I'll go to the Supreme Court and sue you for discrimination!"
Or a Hetero-parade where you can see Heteros doing a blow job publicly on one of the parade's wagons?


Understand one thing you shrink-brains:
Most people don't hate nor fear Homos,
they're just disgusted by their impertinent behaviour!
And people get annoyed by that.




And to speak that out is not closed-minded, discrimination nor hate,
it's just the simple practrice of our constitutional right, called FREEDOM OF SPEECH!

And everyone who doesn't accept that is a fascistic opinon-bolshevist




P.S. No one can prevent that nut-groups like the WBC hijack this issue, but still it is an issue!



:king:

[MargueriteBee]

^ Are you serious? Her school taught that it was very cool to be gay or bi. Not "her teacher taught her," even, but her school. First of all, you can't teach anyone to be gay. I want to laugh, but the absurdity that someone thinks this actually just makes me sad. Second of all, 12 year olds have a tendency to misinterpret things that adults say from time to time, so she may very well be distorting some facts. Third of all, even if this teacher is some kind of delinquent or disinfo agent, this is ONE person, so what possesses you to automatically equate this with "all gay people try forcing people to be gay?" And lastly, no one can be "talked into" being gay.

I didn't say they were being forced but I think people can be brain washed into thinking they are gay....

[King Lear]

Aggressive ideology???


May i ask, do you believe gay people "force"their sexuality on young students?

Yes Celine.
If Gay organisations try to make homosexuality part of school's curriculum,
I call that forcing! Especially if it's for pre-adolescent students.


I couldn't care less what Gays do or don't, if they wouldn't force it constantly on others with the concentrated power of the MSM and Hollywood.
Why can't they handle their sexual orientation as all the others do - privately?

And that I call aggressiveness.
There's an agenda, an agenda to change the traditional family fundamently.
And that will cause the death of our society!
Look where our birth rates are, they're almost at a point where they're irreversible, i.e. our whole culture will die out.




And now to all gays:
Be so much gay as you want, but do it as the Heteros do, do it privately!

Anything different to that is fascisto-bolshevistic, they also wanted to "build the new man" and it led into catastrophe!


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[King Lear]

Third of all, even if this teacher is some kind of delinquent or disinfo agent, this is ONE person, so what possesses you to automatically equate this with "all gay people try forcing people to be gay?" And lastly, no one can be "talked into" being gay.

I didn't say they were being forced but I think people can be brain washed into thinking they are gay....

It's very strange that we hear of such "isolated cases" nationwide.
And of course it's hard "to talk someone into" being gay,
but that's not the main goal, the main goal is to break up the traditional family and moral standards.

:king:

[MargueriteBee]

It is not just being gay that the school promoted, it was having sex period. In 5th grade she was taught that it is okay to have sex, that it is her right. So she went and lost her cherry at age 11, at school, during school hours, in the boys bathroom.

Little children believe what the grownups tell them, they are gullible and that is why the crap is being taught at such a young age. Those girls in the video and have been brain washed in a major way.

[King Lear]

These people are sick people , I am a biker and a vet, I was at a soldiers funeral last year as were many bikers standing shoulder to shoulder for a deceased army private who was killed in the line of duty . We created a tunnel of american flags for them to pass thru with the hearst . In the background were these life forms shouting many vulger words out . We couldn't do anything to these people physically so we took the next step and that was starting up about a dozen motorcycles and pointed all exhausts in there direction. Didn't take them long to leave and find some fresch air.

These people are doing the devils work here on earth, may god have mercy on their souls in the afterlife, there gonna need it.

I surely disapprove what they do to the dead soldiers
and I am glad that there are people like you who defend the relatives of such disgusting behaviour!
I salute you! Semper Fidelis
And thank you for your service, which really grants us our freedom of speech!





But that all fits in the theory:
That they want to be hated, that it's part of their crazy religious fundamentalism.






But another thing is also shocking:
All these "open-minded" esoterics here, who are fundamental liberals in reality,
wouldn't give a rat's ass if the WBC wouldn't also promote this fag-thing!

They deeply hate the WBC, only because they attack their dear homosexuals, or their own sexual orientation.

And everyone who disagrees, they call a "hater" and not "open-minded".
"does that (he) belong in this forum?"
As the Bolshevists called everyone who disagreed a "Bourgois" and "reactionist" and "capitalist" and then "silenced" them too.

That's the main issue for these fascistoid liberal-esoteric-bolshevists. All the other stuff doesn't really interest them.
If the WBC wouldn't do that, they would never heard of them, i.e. be interested in them.




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[King Lear]

It is not just being gay that the school promoted, it was having sex period. In 5th grade she was taught that it is okay to have sex, that it is her right. So she went and lost her cherry at age 11, at school, during school hours, in the boys bathroom.

Little children believe what the grownups tell them, they are gullible and that is why the crap is being taught at such a young age.


That's certainly only an "isolated case" as the liberal-"esoterics" here would say! ;)




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[MargueriteBee]

I don't think it is an isolated case:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,52098,00.html

http://www.newswithviews.com/public_schools/public_schools1.htm

[King Lear]

I don't think it is an isolated case:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,52098,00.html

http://www.newswithviews.com/public_schools/public_schools1.htm


That's certainly only propaganda of the "haters" who don't belong in this "open-minded" forum;) :roll1::roll1::roll1:
:king:

[morguana]

wow, i am compleatly astounded at the way this has gone........:mfr_omg:
my kids know about sex, and they are 4 and 7, they know about transexuals, homosexuality, and the fact that their bodies are their own, good grief, is there any hope for humanity with these attitudes i have just been reading?
where is your compassion?
love?
nonjudgement?
for heavens sake......do you want to assend or not?
m x
ps......homosexual relationships happens in most species, go look it up

golly they even know what a chromosone is

[Jonah]

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all children of god....

[morguana]

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all children of god....

jonah that was truely beautifull, thank you sooooo much
love
m x

[King Lear]

wow, i am compleatly astounded at the way this has gone........:mfr_omg:
my kids know about sex, and they are 4 and 7, they know about transexuals, homosexuality, and the fact that their bodies are their own, good grief, is there any hope for humanity with these attitudes i have just been reading?
where is your compassion?
love?
nonjudgement?
for heavens sake......do you want to assend or not?
m x
ps......homosexual relationships happens in most species, go look it up

golly they even know what a chromosone is


Perhaps it happens in most species, but only in a part of thousandth, i.e. it isn't the norm, otherwise the species would be extinct!

And what astounds me is, that your 4 and 7 year-olds know of homosexuality and transsexuality. Woman have you no decency?
How can you burden children's minds with something like that?!?

All these homosexual-apologists!
What is next?
In 10 years pedophiles say that it is normal and part of the "diverse" human sexuality to be a pedophile. And then they come and make pressure on politics to be emancipated.

And what will you homosexual-apologists say then?
"That's disgusting!"???
Betcha
But then the pedos will say "Oh you're just a hater" "You discriminate us!" "It is fact that our bodies our own!" "Where is your compassion?"

And before some of you homosexuals and homosexual-apologists scream out after this analogy:
"Hey that's not fair! You compare us to pedophiles!"

think twice, because in this analogy the pedos would say the same:

"Hey that's not fair! You compare us to necrophiles!"

It's only a step further... and further... and further...

Everything made to destroy our traditions, families and our society.


:king:

[no caste]

Perhaps it happens in most species, but only in a part of thousandth, i.e. it isn't the norm, otherwise the species would be extinct!
And what astounds me is, that your 4 and 7 year-olds know of homosexuality and transsexuality. Woman have you no decency?
How can you burden children's minds with something like that?!?

On account of that, I just pushed the Report button. You should wash your mouth with rose water, buster. (It tastes like soap.)

It's offensive. Like Morguana said, check genetics etc. Bye. Wait, your pedophile facts are incorrect, too, male sexual violence is usually 'heterosexual.'

[morguana]

Perhaps it happens in most species, but only in a part of thousandth, i.e. it isn't the norm, otherwise the species would be extinct!
And what astounds me is, that your 4 and 7 year-olds know of homosexuality and transsexuality. Woman have you no decency?
How can you burden children's minds with something like that?!?

All these homosexual-apologists!
What is next?
In 10 years pedophiles say that it is normal and part of the "diverse" human sexuality to be a pedophile. And then they come and make pressure on politics to be emancipated.

And what will you homosexual-apologists say then?
"That's disgusting!"???
Betcha
But then the pedos will say "Oh you're just a hater" "You discriminate us!" "It is fact that our bodies our own!" "Where is your compassion?"

And before some of you homosexuals and homosexual-apologists scream out after this analogy:
"Hey that's not fair! You compare us to pedophiles!"
think twice, because in this analogy the pedos would say the same:
"Hey that's not fair! You compare us to necrophiles!"

It's only a step further... and further... and further...
Everything made to destroy our traditions, families and our society.
:king:

king lear we live in a multi cultral society, and that means that we mix with all sorts, i do not judge a person by their differences, if none is harmed and all involved are concenting adults then what is the problem? i think a course in learning humility and love would be of benifit.

this post just says it all in my eyes, *sadly shakes head* i would like it left for all to see,

m

[King Lear]

king lear we live in a multi cultral society, and that means that we mix with all sorts, i do not judge a person by their differences, if none is harmed and all involved are concenting adults then what is the problem? i think a course in learning humility and love would be of benifit.
this post just says it all in my eyes, *sadly shakes head* i would like it left for all to see,
m

What has "the multi cultural society" to do with the promotion of the aggressive homosexual ideology, especially on kids?
Blacks and Mexicans disapprove this agenda even more than Whites!

i think a course in learning humility and love would be of benifit.
this post just says it all in my eyes, *sadly shakes head* i would like it left for all to see,
m

I could say the same to you orthodox Liberal!

You're such hypocrites! "Open-minded" my foot!
Everyone who isn't in line you ban!

And you always think that you are the better person.
Not sensing how self-righteous you're in fact!

For everyone who doesn't believe that people in the Project Avalon Forum
are so narrow-minded and behave like TPTB, which they alledgedly try to expose, will soon be disabused by my ban!

:king:

[raulduke]

wow, i am compleatly astounded at the way this has gone........:mfr_omg:


Yeah, me too, but don't forget that it's only a small, though very vocal minority here that seems to be in opposition to equality, which is the real issue as I see it.

@King Lear: I noticed you haven't responded to anything I've said here or answered my questions, though I am not surprised as the answers are likey to find you either hypocritical or simply ignorant.

Dude......where to begin? You've said so musch, I'll just review a few examples here.

It's really funny, apologists of homosexuality......


Wow, now were apologists? :lol3: I'm not apologizing for anything here guy, just standing up for equal rights for all, which, clearly, you oppose.


Or a man who's whining: "if you prohibit me to marry this woman I'll go to the Supreme Court and sue you for discrimination!"


Ummm are you serious, is this really your agument? No one is preventing men and women from getting married.... this makes no sense, although if for some crazy reason that were the case, I'm positive that heterosexuals would want equal rights as well.


...we don't FEAR Homos!

We're just disgusted by their behaviour.


Ok, so let me get this straight, your argument here is that gay people should change their lifestyle because you think they're icky? You know you don't have to think about the sex constantly right? :lol3:

Dude I think people who go to night clubs all spiffed up with leather jackets and crusty hair are icky, but I don't care what they do as long as they're not hurting anyone, I just steer clear of them, still wishing the best for 'em though.

I think it's strange that you've got all this respect for the equality in the freedom of speech yet you you have no sense of equality when it comes to accepting people for who they are.

Ok, this next part is the heart of the issue as I see it, and you didn't respond, so I'll quote myself here.



And this isn't comparable to the African Americans.
Or why do you think the AAs opted against special rights for gays?


First of all nobody opted against "special rights" for gay people, it was against equal rights, like the ability to visit and make decisions for your significant other in the hospital in an emergency among others.


This is it, right here. It's not "special rights", it's equal, get it?

Letting gay people get married does not take any rights away from anyone else nor would it give them any rights not afforded to heterosexual couples.

That's certainly only propganda of the "haters" who don't belong in this "open-minded" forum;) :roll1::roll1::roll1:

You say this in jest, but it's really spot on. Those stories are ridiculous.

[Jonah]

There has been no reason for a ban King Lear...
Allowance of an open minded discussion shall be had... with respect to all who participate...

[raulduke]

Perhaps it happens in most species, but only in a part of thousandth, i.e. it isn't the norm, otherwise the species would be extinct!

And what astounds me is, that your 4 and 7 year-olds know of homosexuality and transsexuality. Woman have you no decency?
How can you burden children's minds with something like that?!?

All these homosexual-apologists!
What is next?
In 10 years pedophiles say that it is normal and part of the "diverse" human sexuality to be a pedophile. And then they come and make pressure on politics to be emancipated.

And what will you homosexual-apologists say then?
"That's disgusting!"???
Betcha
But then the pedos will say "Oh you're just a hater" "You discriminate us!" "It is fact that our bodies our own!" "Where is your compassion?"

And before some of you homosexuals and homosexual-apologists scream out after this analogy:
"Hey that's not fair! You compare us to pedophiles!"

think twice, because in this analogy the pedos would say the same:

"Hey that's not fair! You compare us to necrophiles!"

It's only a step further... and further... and further...

Everything made to destroy our traditions, families and our society.

:king:

Wow, your logic seems to be malfunctioning. I don't think I can continue to converse, so I'll leave you with a song. Peace.

DEKC5pyOKFU

[King Lear]

Yeah, me too, but don't forget that it's only a small, though very vocal minority here .

Yes so small that you have to ban this "minority", so this forum can stay "open-minded" ;)

that seems to be in opposition to equality, which is the real issue as I see it..

No. You totally misunderstood me. I don't bother what homosexuals do.
But I'm annoyed, as so many others, by the gay political activists who make an ideology and an issue of identity of their sexual orientation.
Especially that they make the poltical fuzz, they produce, to their identity makes me sick.

But the main issue still is, that they want to force it onto children!

Wow, now were apologists? :lol3: I'm not apologizing for anything here guy, just standing up for equal rights for all, which, clearly, you oppose..

I certainly don't oppose equal rights, BUT i oppose uber-equality, special rights for certain groups, that some are more equal than others.
Read Orwell's Animal Farm.

Ummm are you serious, is this really your agument? No one is preventing men and women from getting married.... this makes no sense, although if for some crazy reason that were the case, I'm positive that heterosexuals would want equal rights as well.

I'm sorry for you, that you aren't able to understand this hypothetical example. It just was an example for homosexuals who are always whining and always pushing things which make no sense after all, just for being "equal"!
And at the end the only goal they reach is to devaluate marriage.
And through that destroy the traditional family.

but I don't care what they do as long as they're not hurting anyone, I just steer clear of them, still wishing the best for 'em though. .

Are you sure that they don't hurt anyone?
Besides religious feelings (which are so important when it is for the Muslims)
What about the developement of a child?
Are you absolutely sure that they don't get harmed by all of this?
For example, to see how gays behave on their parades and in the media?
Are you really sure?

I think it's strange that you've got all this respect for the equality in the freedom of speech yet you you have no sense of equality when it comes to accepting people for who they are.

You're totally wrong.
1st of all, why do you think, that "freedom of speech" is our 1st amendment?
2ndly I can't remember that gays were in chains and had to pick off cotton.
Is it equality or special rights?

:king:

[King Lear]

Wow, your logic seems to be malfunctioning. I don't think I can continue to converse, so I'll leave you with a song. Peace.

Of course you can't continue to converse and understand my arguments!
Because you fundamentally oppose me and you're unable to hold up a mirror to yourself.


As it is the problem for all self-righteous homosexual-apoligists and "open-minded" orthodox Liberal esoterics.
That's the way your brains are constructed, you can never understand an opposing or different opinion about that!

It's the same with theists and atheist, different brain developement.
And I don't mean that as a ranking, they're simply differently configured.

:king:

[King Lear]

There has been no reason for a ban King Lear...
Allowance of an open minded discussion shall be had... with respect to all who participate...

Thanks for that Jonah!

But I think your attempt won't be successful.
Because there are too much people here who hate what I say.

Veritas odium paret
"Truth creates hatred"

I've a too loose tongue;)

:king:

[Jonah]

:) you might be right Lear...

But that's too bad... I know you have many good qualities as well:lol3:

[raulduke]

Of course you can't continue to converse and understand my arguments!


Almost.

I can't continue to converse because I understand your argument.

You think gay people are icky and you're afraid because they're trying to destroy your family values.

I disagree.

I'm not calling for you to be banned btw.

[King Lear]

Almost.
I can't continue to converse because I understand your argument.
You think gay people are icky and you're afraid because they're trying to destroy your family values.
I disagree. I'm not calling for you to be banned btw.

No I don't think that gay people are icky per say!
But some are, the sexual extroverted and their political activists (as all political activists are icky) who want to force something on others which they don't want!

But I appreciate that you're not for banning a person with a different opinion!
Chapeau!

:king:

[Karen]

No I don't think that gay people are icky per say!
But some are, the sexual extroverted and their political activists (as all political activists are icky) who want to force something on others which they don't want!

But I appreciate that you're not for banning a person with a different opinion!
Chapeau!

:king:

It's not the opinion we ban for, but the attitude - are you being respectful to other members calling them coo-coo head?

[Karen]

I agree there's been a lot of social engineering going on - to destroy the family and on many fronts.

[Karen]

A couple of guidelines to keep in mind:


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[King Lear]

It's not the opinion we ban for, but the attitude - are you being respectful to other members calling them coo-coo head?

"coo-coo head"?!?
Is that such a dramatic profanity?

And I think I only used it in a generalized sense, not a personal.

Otherwise, you're free to delete or to defuse such "bad" words;)

:king:

[Karen]

"coo-coo head"?!?
Is that such a dramatic profanity?
And I think I only used it in a generalized sense, not a personal.
Otherwise, you're free to delete or to defuse such "bad" words;)


Overall in this thread your tone has been bombastic and somewhat insulting. This is obviously something you feel strongly about, but you have made some gross generalizations ... that do sound quite hateful.

[Ross H]

King Lear,

You do raise some justified concerns in regards to some of the gay community's behaviour, however, what you speak of, are minority groups and not the practice of the overall worlds gay community.

Quote' the anti-Fag thing is perhaps a reaction to the aggressive ideology of homosexuality

Quote' And it's obvious that there's no other group in society that is so extroverted like the gay community and who wants to influence politics and wants to smash their private sexual orientation in other people's face!!!


Quote' There's no group on this earth, like the gays,
who constantly smear their private sexual orientation in people's face.
Publicly!

Refrain from using such examples, they are incorrect and do not reflect the truth of the overall gay community. Tone down your intolerence.

Regards,

Ross H

[King Lear]

John Lear,

You do raise some justified concerns in regards to some of the gay community's behaviour, however what you speak of are minority groups and not the practice of the overall worlds gay community.

Quote' the anti-Fag thing is perhaps a reaction to the aggressive ideology of homosexuality [Please trim long quotes]



1stly it may be incorrect, but me and others conceive it like that.
2ndly Arguing against a political agenda is not intolerance!

:king:

[Ross H]

1st of all I am NOT JOHN Lear!
2ndly it may be incorrect, but me and others conceive it like that.
3rd Arguing against a political agenda is not intolerance!

:king:

King Lear,

A thousand apologies for the typo in your name, sincerely, Long day and a little tired.

In regards to your reply, 2 and 3, I am not going to debate this with you, tone down your intolerence.

Regards,

Ross H

[Church]

The more King Lear talks, the more the truth about his views come out. He possibly doesn't even realize it, but on the other hand, he probably does and is here to stoke the fires of hatred and intolerance.

If you look at most (if not all?) of the posts he made, he talks about people as if they are all compartmentalized from each other, and completely exclusive of each other. It's "the blacks" and "the mexicans" and "the minorities" and "the gays" [insult removed - A..]. It's obvious he's very stuck in polarity consciousness, so let's all have a moment of silence to pray for him, that he will wake up and see that he is perpetuating hatred in this world, by sheer ignorance of the fact that we are all God's children, each and every one of us, not ONE person excluded.

That includes King Lear. Don't hate him just because he's asleep. He needs our love more than many people on this entire site. But people, please, don't tolerate this kind of mindset. When someone opens his mouth and feces spills out of it, but he doesn't even know its feces, rather he thinks it's vanilla ice cream, so he starts swishing it around his mouth and convincing himself it's the best flavor he's ever tasted... it is up to YOU, the ones who still have your sanity about you, to help him to understand what he's doing and how he's deluded himself.

Once again, though, I don't know... some people just like the taste of feces.

:)

[Jonah]

The more King Lear talks, the more the truth about his views come out. He possibly doesn't even realize it, but on the other hand, he probably does and is here to stoke the fires of hatred and intolerance.

If you look at most (if not all?) of the posts he made, he talks about people as if they are all compartmentalized from each other, and completely exclusive of each other. It's "the blacks" and "the mexicans" and "the minorities" and "the gays" [insult removed - A..] It's obvious he's very stuck in polarity consciousness, so let's all have a moment of silence to pray for him, that he will wake up and see that he is perpetuating hatred in this world, by sheer ignorance of the fact that we are all God's children, each and every one of us, not ONE person excluded.

That includes King Lear. Don't hate him just because he's asleep. He needs our love more than many people on this entire site. But people, please, don't tolerate this kind of mindset. When someone opens his mouth and feces spills out of it, but he doesn't even know its feces, rather he thinks it's vanilla ice cream, so he starts swishing it around his mouth and convincing himself it's the best flavor he's ever tasted... it is up to YOU, the ones who still have your sanity about you, to help him to understand what he's doing and how he's deluded himself.

There have been warnings about attitudes and If its one thing I personally have distaste for is NAME CALLING...

Next person to insult someone out right will be met with disciplinary action.

We are not here to convince anyone on how they should feel... or try to make them feel guity over it....This is a forum for people to make their own decisions and draw their own conclusions..

This thread should be about the confrontation of protesting and their right to do so and the issues caused by such duality....

Those who wish to proceed may do so with caution..

[Church]

This entire thread insults me, quite frankly. It should have been closed a long time ago. If you're looking to point out name calling and insults, you could have done a whole lot better than quoting my post above. There is no ambiguity as to what's going on in this thread. Who is doing the insulting in this thread, Jonah? I'm just curious.

[Jonah]

Church I can only attempt to allow fairness to all members on this forum...

If you or anyone wishes to discuss this policy in a pm, they may do so...

There have been and will be reasons to close many threads....

Our job in some aspects is to facilitate conflict resolution.... How can this be accomplished if we silence those of us who feel differently?

[Humble Janitor]

I agree there's been a lot of social engineering going on - to destroy the family and on many fronts.

The nuclear family only existed for economic reasons.

I would argue that it's also social-engineering to expect women to stay home and raise the family while the man goes out and does the work.

How soon we forget that women were the brewers and workers when the men were off fighting their silly wars. Women deserve more respect than the nuclear family.

If you're going to complain about the destruction of the family, you should understand where the idea of the family comes from. It's all economic and nothing more. People get married to transfer wealth.

[King Lear]

The nuclear family only existed for economic reasons.

I would argue that it's also social-engineering to expect women to stay home and raise the family while the man goes out and does the work.

How soon we forget that women were the brewers and workers when the men were off fighting their silly wars. Women deserve more respect than the nuclear family.

If you're going to complain about the destruction of the family, you should understand where the idea of the family comes from. It's all economic and nothing more. People get married to transfer wealth.



Interesting, that you "open-minded" "spiritual" esoterics coldly indicate the family as a unit which exists only to transfer wealth.
What a joke!
A family is certainly much more! And a family never was a "nuclear" family, before 1968 a family had 3-4 or more children!

And it's also not true that a woman was treated badly in being part of a family, that she "deserves something better".
These are all false delusions of the 1968-era.

Every woman who is part of a family, head of a family and has given life to children has done thousand times more than every
female attorney, female judge, female professor, female politician...

Because the mother ensures the survival of our human kind!
That's thousand times more than every bra burner could achieve!
What has the successful but childless female judge, politician, etc. at the end? Nothing, only loneliness and the certainty that with her, her branch of life will die out.


So, all this smearing about the family is false.
We've to return to the traditional family! All the social models like the "patchwork family" produce just dysfunctional pseudo families!

Let your common sense decide:
When was it better? 50 years ago with the traditional family or since 1968 with all these social models which do not work, especially homo-marriages and homo-families?

I choose the yesterday. Those were the days...*sing*



And another point about the homo-marriage, they always say that they're discriminated because they cannot do what heteros can do.
But technically that's not right!
A lesbian woman can marry a man, and a gay man can marry a woman.
So, they can do exactly the same as heteros can do!

Heteros are also not allowed to marry same sexes.
So, they're treated equally. Technically.:tongue2:


:king:

[MargueriteBee]

That's certainly only propaganda of the "haters" who don't belong in this "open-minded" forum;) :roll1::roll1::roll1:
:king:

I don't understand what you mean, please explain.:original:

[Humble Janitor]

Keep on crowing away, King Lear.

Social engineering exists in many forms and like it or not, the nuclear family model was created to facilitate a male-dominated society.

There is no perfect family model out there. There are people who are part of families that have no blood relation. The concept of family does not mean that you need 2,3,4,5 kids or a mother and father. It goes beyond that.

[King Lear]

I don't understand what you mean, please explain.:original:

Irony never makes it in the net:lmao:

That was meant ironically!


Because all these totalitarian "open-minded" esoterics, who are in fact hardcore liberals and homosexual-apologists, attack everyone with a different opinion about this issue with the nice stifle-word "hater".
"does that (he) belong in this forum?" etc.

:king:

[Humble Janitor]

Irony never makes it in the net:lmao:

That was meant ironically!


Because all these totalitarian "open-minded" esoterics, who are in fact hardcore liberals and homosexual-apologists, attack everyone with a different opinion about this issue with the nice stifle-word "hater".
"does that (he) belong in this forum?" etc.

:king:

Or perhaps they're just people with common sense that have gotten to a point where they no longer make such a big fuss over the things you're complaining about?

[King Lear]

Keep on crowing away, King Lear.

Social engineering exists in many forms and like it or not, the nuclear family model was created to facilitate a male-dominated society.

There is no perfect family model out there. There are people who are part of families that have no blood relation. The concept of family does not mean that you need 2,3,4,5 kids or a mother and father. It goes beyond that.



Excuse me but this is Bull Sh... Shalom (I've to watch my profanity :naughty:)
There's a perfect model!
The model which worked for 100,000 years.
The models which don't work are the models since 1968,
which make the people crazy now for 42 years and destroy our society and culture.

:king:

[Humble Janitor]

I'd prefer a liberal, progressive society to a close-minded society that places a heavy emphasis on gender domination and suppression of minorities.

[Jonah]

Because the mother ensures the survival of our human kind!
That's thousand times more than every bra burner could achieve!
What has the successful but childless female judge, politician, etc. at the end? Nothing, only loneliness and the certainty that with her, her branch of life will die out.


But Mr. Lear that "branch" of life is dying out... It was our greatest fall as far as I can tell...The question is, what are you willing to do to make this situation better... and not just in your own "family" but to your fellow man who has had to choose this life same as you?

all of these questions are rehtorichal of corse.. i dont really care wut you do..Im sure your a decent person... just tryin to get you to embrace the love you have for all of god's creations man.. it's worth a shot.. if all else fails... we'll just have to ban you..:roftl:

[raulduke]

Because all these totalitarian "open-minded" esoterics, who are in fact hardcore liberals and homosexual-apologists, attack everyone with a different opinion about this issue with the nice stifle-word "hater".
"does that (he) belong in this forum?" etc.

:lol3: So I guess this means that your new avatar is less than genuine?

For the record I never called you a hater, asked if you belong here, or tried to stifle you in any way. On the contrary rather, I asked you to elaborate several times, though the only thing I really wanted an answer to is, did you choose to be heterosexual?

To be honest though, your logic is so foreign to me that I've lost any expectation that I may ever sympathise with your views. So it is my suggestion that we all simply agree to to disagree.

[King Lear]

I'd prefer a liberal, progressive society to a close-minded society that places a heavy emphasis on gender domination and suppression of minorities.

Why surpression?
Why is the traditional family and traditional marriage surpression for you?
Don't you recognize how weird your words are?
For you a healty, a natural institution is "surpression".
But in fact "liberal" and "progressive" has become totalitarian and backwarded!
Liberalism in fact surpresses people.

For example in Europe, Liberalism there had the result that people don't practice their own religion anymore, churches become ruins, get sold and transformed to pubs, libraries and mosques.
Liberalism had the result that Europeans don't dare to defend themselves, because they fear to be called "racists".
And what's the result? Slowly but certainly Europe is taken over, town by town. And Liberalism prevents that anybody can do something against that.
Because then they get outcasted and outlawed by political correctness.
And so London isn't London anymore, Berlin isn't Berlin anymore, Paris isn't Paris anymore... In Brussels your dear "minorities" take over Europe's capital and shoot at policemen with assault rifles! It's so bad that EU parlamentarians demand a security wall, a green zone like in Bagdad.

And Liberalism on the 2nd front destroys the traditional family, so that the take over even comes quicker, because of the low birthrates!

And who takes over?
The ones who hold the traditional family and marriage dear and never would accept "homo-marriages". And if you think this is just a "hate-ism",
just read official demographic studies and official FBI and CIA dossiers.

Liberalism destroyed Europe, it's lost.
And America is on the same way.


You Liberals and Esoterics say: "We're all humans, we're all one big unity"
But what if the others don't think in the same way as you?
And your kind, because of your liberal beliefs, gets extinct on 2 continents?
Look what happened to Southern California, it's lost, they obviously don't think that we're all one big unity and get along, they only accept "Aztec-Mayan-Spanish".

There's the true but profane saying:
"There are never 2 puss... side by side, one puss... always becomes the dic...
and f... the other puss...!"

And that's really true!
Liberalism leads to cultural downfall.

On Above Top Secret an ex-Liberal wrote a nice piece about Southern California. Read that carefully, it will give you a shiver:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread539040/pg1

Exactly that is the result if a culture abandons the traditional family and marriage due to "Liberalism".

:king:

[King Lear]

:lol3: So I guess this means that your new avatar is less than genuine?

For the record I never called you a hater, asked if you belong here, or tried to stifle you in any way. On the contrary rather, I asked you to elaborate several times, though the only thing I really wanted an answer to is, did you choose to be heterosexual?

To be honest though, your logic is so foreign to me that I've lost any expectation that I may ever sympathise with your views. So it is my suggestion that we all simply agree to to disagree.


It's genuine, as far as the Mods seem to understand me.
They seem to understand that I'm not just a "hater" but deeply concerned about the state of our culture and civilization. And that everyone has freedom of speech.


And perhaps you personally didn't call me a "hater", but it's what "open-minded" liberal-esoterics think when they have to listen to the issue from another perspective! I never meant you personally.
And I certainly can live with the fact that you disagree with me. That's your right! At least you're honest.


You want to say, that homosexuals didn't choose the way they are, they were just created like that? By asking me this rethorical question you want to hear if I as an heterosexaul choosed to be heterosexual? Ok. Fair enough

But, I could ask you the same:
Did pedophiles and necrophiles choose what they are?
Weren't they created like that too?

But have we as a society to accept their ways then???


And before you cry out: "Don't compare homosexuals to peds and necros!"
It's just a rhetorical question, a technical question, like yours my friend.

:king:

[Humble Janitor]

King Lear,

Blah blah blah. That's all I'm reading from you.

Any time someone uses the line "you liberals", I chuckle and think of Bill O'Reilly blowing his top whenever he disagrees with someone.

You obviously have some issues and I'd recommend that you take a moment to relax. The American media has spent years upon years demonizing liberals as being godless souls, baby killers and so forth.

What has religion ever done for humanity other than being a reason for people to kill each other in wars? Look at the Westboro Baptist Church. What have they done for humanity other than picketing soldier funerals and spewing their verbal diarrhea all over the media? What has the Pope done for humanity when he still advocates against birth control? What about Christian/Catholic missionaries that scold people in poorer countries and ensure that they remain ignorant about birth control (this one is easy: Christians need someone to send money to in order to alleviate their guilt)? The Crusades? The Holocaust? Zionists? Nation Of Islam? Orthodox Jews?

Seriously, what has religion done for humankind that has had a positive effect? You can argue for the community building on the local level but at the national level?

That is why we have no use for organized religion. Faith is something that should always be private. Can't say the same for sexual orientation but let me propose this to you: If you don't like it when gays kiss/hold hands in public, what about when heterosexuals do it? Are you opposed to the idea of straight men that cat-call at women in public or say derogatory things? Are they not affirming their heterosexuality by doing such things? What about Gay Pride parades? How are they different from say, a St.Patrick's Day parade where drunken Irish men and women (and wanna-bes as well) march out of pride for their heritage? What would you say about a white pride parade or the million man march?

There's so many more things I'd like to ask but I don't have the time nor the patience in the world to ask them. So far, it's been a waste of my energy to deal with you, King Lear.

Have a pint on me and relax.

:mfr_lol:

[King Lear]

King Lear,Blah blah blah. That's all I'm reading from you.
Any time someone uses the line "you liberals", I chuckle and think of Bill O'Reilly blowing his top whenever he disagrees with someone. [please trim long quotes]

I don't mean American liberals exclusively, I mean liberals worldwide.
They brainwash societies until they commit collective mass suicide!

And I'm certainly not an O'Reilly-ist! I totally dispise Neocons!
They ignited unjust wars in which people on both sides die for nothing.


I totally agree to your view on ORGANIZED religion and the craziness of the WBC! I just mentioned, how crazy they may be, they still have freedom of speech, that's simply holy and paramount for me!

But you also have to confess, that you and your liberal/esoteric friends like to bash Christianity foremost, and at the same time you say almost nothing about insane Jewish orthodoxy and Islam. And even Tibetan Buddhism has it's dark side: Feudalism.

The gay director Roland Emmerich cringed in front of Islam,
in his latest movie he destroyed the St. Peters cathedral but not the Kaaba in Mecca, double standard? Betcha!
And that's the point homosexuals attack and smear Christianity with relish, the society which grants them so much freedom, but the society (Islam) which executes gays every day, they don't dare to attack.

And what's really paradox, through their decandency and social engineering gay activist destroy the civilization which protects them and make place for a society which kills them.

Britain already has several Sharia courts which have the same power as regular courts. Southern France, a traditional church region, has now more mosques than churches.
And also orthodox Judaism doesn't spare homosexuality very much.

But still homosexuals, homsexual-apologists, liberals and esoterics try to destroy this society by social engineering!


And now you ask me if I don't like it "when gays kiss/hold hands in public"?
And I clearly answer you: Yes I dislike it!
As I would dislike public pedo- or necrophilia or even
heterosexual sex in the public.

We've to respect people's feelings and protect our children from such impressions!

So if some people misbehave on St. Patricks Day, i.e. have sex in public I would condemn that as much as homosexual excesses.
Not only religion is a private issue.

And in your last words you unmask your own hipocrisy:
You sense a gay pride parade as normal, but not so a white pride parade, even not an Irish pride parade.
And LA RAZA is ok. THE RACE would be evil.
Black history month is ok. White history month would be evil.
The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People is ok.
But the National Association for the Advancement of White People would be evil. An ADL for Jews is ok, it doesn't matter how racistic and lobby-like they are in fact. But an ADL for white people would be evil!

Hipocrisy, hipocrisy, hipocrisy...
It's so typical of you liberals!


:king:

[rustanddust]

where are we ?

[Anchor]

I am an advocate of King Lear being allowed to speak his mind - in a moderate and forum guideline compliant manner :naughty:

Discussion of the vaious 'isms - racism, sexism, nationalism, etc ALWAYS will draw fire from polarized views and are forum dynamite usually. Dynamite needs careful and sensitive handling.

Just remember that these things can always be discussed but that there is an over-riding need to do this with respect and sensitivity for the views of all. If you cant abide by that constraint, then you can't be allowed to continue on this forum.

With no reference to this thread - but to illustrate the degree of maturity it would be nice to see on this forum... One day I look forward to a no-holds barred disucssion of any form sexual perversion/dysfunction/etiquette - the whole works - that does not require a single post to be reported to the moderators !

A..

[ontario's northland]

I have read this entire thread so far, and must say, I agree with King Lear in most if not all of his concerns. I see many organizations who hold gatherings and special "marches" or "walks" and have NEVER EVER seen them wearing little or (next to nothing) clothing on! Why on God's green earth do homosexuals who march, and I agree with them marching...BUT why do they have to march naked or as close to it as they can??? I mean really???? what's that all about???? I mean can they not get their point across with clothes on?? Others organizations do. That to me is a legit concern!

[Ravens and Doves]

Thirdly, I assume you're refering to the CA prop 8 issue when stating "AAs opted against...", yes, some support came for African American in that specific referendum, which when remembering the civil rights movement, makes for some real irony, but that was certainly not a national referendum, so to make blanket statements about an entire race of people is amiss imho.


A few years before Prop 8 (which passed only by a narrow margin), when San Fransico started granting same sex marraiges on a city level, the LA City Council made a supporting official move... and it was echoed by the Mid-Town North Hollywood Neigborhood Council (and many other LA N.C.s) supporting same sex total legal equality with a 19 to 1 majority vote. The one "no" vote came from a lady who was a devout Catholic and voted by her religious conviction. My side of the table (the Arts and Humanities Committee) voted %100 "yes." We have three openly gay churches in the NoHo Arts District (about one square mile) that will do weddings for ANY kind of couple.

http://northhollywoodarts.com

I was born and raised in the above liberal environment and never had my hetrosexuality threatened in the least. I simpley don't understand what the problem is other than fear and religious (and sexual) insecurity. When a man and woman are in love and want to get married, no power on earth will stop them. The "institution of marraige" is in no danger... even in little, wacky NoHo (wich historicly is actually more moderate/conservative lesbian.. going back to WW2 when the aviation industry in Burbank was recruiting sturdy, all-American women to build planes and the "Rosey the Riviter" archytype was born. Many of the women were single and central No. Hollywood had more affordable houses. Amilia Earhart lived in the area as did other female pilots).

We got a visit from Westboro Baptist Hate Church in '02 I believe it was. They had a sizable contingent with all the usual signs, but weren't met with humor. It was an angry shout down bettween them and the locals. Just what the haters like... more hate. If they can provoke someone to go over the edge and throw something or physically attack in any way, they would really love it! - martyrdom!

They should have waited a couple more years. We got the street cross walks permanently painted with rainbow stripes. I'm going to try and attach a photo I took on the morning a night club had a fire. The water made the colors stand out... it wants a web page for the image... ok, just go here and scrooll to the bottom. It's the small pic - thrid from the end of the page (may take a while to load:

http://www.northhollywoodarts.com/id5.html

Oh, and something the Hate Church would have loved to hate about NoHo, but didn't Know Ho!! We had a shameless, Dark Goddess honoring pagan community (still do, but Raven's Flight's lease ran dry). Again, at the very bottom of the page you'll see links to more pages.

http://www.home.earthlink.net/~paul_perner/

And one more time, my cousin's 1965 punk church on NoHo: The Preachers!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq8OTfjSg6k

Rock out, all you hell fire bound lovers!!!!!!

Paul

[raulduke]

KL, dark sunglasses just a day after rehab? (just kidding).
Kinda reminds me of....

http://meredith.wolfwater.com/cart.jpg



You want to say, that homosexuals didn't choose the way they are, they were just created like that? By asking me this rethorical question you want to hear if I as an heterosexaul choosed to be heterosexual? Ok. Fair enough

But, I could ask you the same:
Did pedophiles and necrophiles choose what they are?
Weren't they created like that too?

But have we as a society to accept their ways then???


Alrighty then here we go, I think we can work from here possibly. So you admit you did not choose your sexuality, just like eveyone else, including gay people. This is the basis for equality, there shoud be no question that gay people deserve the same, not "special", but the same rights as heterosexual people. I don't understand what the issue here is, I really don't.

As far as pedophilia and necrophilia go, those are ridiculously irrelevant here, and frankly, disgusting to compare to any two individual who love each other. Niether are sexual orientations, they are mental dissorders that do not involve any consentuality, and in the case of pedophiles, implies rape. Your repeated comparisson of gays to pedophiles imho is disgusting. You equate a gay couple to a pedophiliac preying on a child, both are equally bad in your opinion? Good grief man.



And before you cry out: "Don't compare homosexuals to peds and necros!"
It's just a rhetorical question, a technical question, like yours my friend.


My question was most certainly not rehtorical, I certainly did want you to answer, which is why I asked it twice. It is the basis for equality, and more importantly a possible way for you to see that you are no different from someone who was born gay.



We got a visit from Westboro Baptist Hate Church in '02 I believe it was. They had a sizable contingent with all the usual signs, but weren't met with humor. It was an angry shout down bettween them and the locals. Just what the haters like... more hate. If they can provoke someone to go over the edge and throw something or physically attack in any way, they would really love it! - martyrdom!


Good post R&D. You're definitely right about these wbc goofballs wanting to be martyrs. They want to get a crazy heated rise out of people, so these comic protestors are the perfect cryptonite!

Cool pic too.
http://i589.photobucket.com/albums/ss334/rudiger/a.jpg

If u wanna post a pic btw, all u have to do is right click on the image, choose properties, copy the url, and then paste it in between .

[beren]

If I may jump in here and now with a rhetorical question;

What is the difference between homosexuals and radical churches?

Are they faithful to the core of our mutual human living in prosperity and understanding of truth, Creator ,universe, love ,life?

I think neither group are .

Ones are openly attacking morale and others are viciously defending it with a ...gun ( shall I say instead of sword)

Neither gays are close to truth neither radical Churches are close to the truth since both parties are faaaaaaaaaar away from Creator, universe,truth,love,respect,understanding, wisdom ,morale.

But personally I find it offensive for a person to brag about their sexuality in any way, be it on the street or school or TV or whatever.

KL has a point since homosexuals are often behaving terrible and are being very aggressive towards all that do not align with them.
They want to marry ...sure but that is a mockery of marriage. Marriage as an institution exist only between man and woman. You as a gay can be with other man but that could not be named marriage, legally or hypothetically ...

One more thing, we are all born different and that should be respected.
But how can I respect a person which is gay when they shovel in my face their sexuality ?
I do not care, leave me be... but NO ! They HAVE to announce that they are homosexuals... Who cares for god sake...

That leads me to conclusion that if you have a need to stick in someone's face about your deep personal life ,then you have a problem, a huge problem. That is invading someone's privacy and that is bad.
So when they do that ,they should not be surprised for reaction they usually get from heterosexuals.

And one last point, correct me if I am wrong but I never met more selfish, drama queen, self centered, annoying people than most of the gays I met through my work and in life.
I don 't say that all of them are like that but really many ,many of them are like that.

Point is lingering on non important things such as sexuality or religion brings us nowhere but deeper hole from where we're trying to escape...

[King Lear]

@Beren
@Anchor

I appreciate your approval!
You both said what I meant.




@Raul
Partially I thought of Cartman when I put on my pilot glasses,
but it's also meant to reflect the recommeded relaxation! :mfr_lol:
:glasses3:

:king:

[Ravens and Doves]

Cool pic too.

If u wanna post a pic btw, all u have to do is right click on the image, choose properties, copy the url, and then paste it in between .


Thank you, Raulduke. I took the shot with one of those cheap disposible, card-board film cameras. I'm still behind the times tech wise and need to get a special cable to upload pics from my new cell phone. I'll give the right click thing a try soon. Thanks for the tip.

It was real sad to see that club fire. It was a good thing nobody got hurt. Another club that was a block away was the CIA (California Institute of Abnormalarts). Their web site is down... I hope it didn't close, too. It was the FREAKIEST night spot I ever been to. It was the only club where one could get a free lesson and/or update on exopolitics, the Illuminati agenda and other matters from the box office before you go in. This is the only link I could find with photos... there was so much more to see and experience inside.

http://www.yelp.com/biz_photos/l7DtOpAJ-GBxdFiRHCwiuA?select=ezvZzJT9QQygJTx9ioyQPg

Freedom of speech and expression is very important not just to the colorful urban centers of the world, but to ALL THE WORLD. Sometimes exchanges get heated up, but that's just the nature of human nature, I suppose. It never has to get violent or threatening. I don't think conflict is a hard-wired human trait. If it is, we need to work on reversing that kink in our evolution and go forward to a better world.

The biggest mistake the control-bots are making is seeing we who believe in peace as some kind of domestic threat that needs to be eliminated. They would be throwing the ruby out with the rubbish. Once the invisible battle is over and disclosure becomes imminant, whistle blowers and their supporters CAN HELP the secret space program advance in harmony with the BIGGER bigger picture of the Universe.

With peace and painted streets,

Paul

[King Lear]

mod edit, no swearing, thank you

Before you cry out and whine again, it's not meant in an offensive way, just a joke.
So keep cool you "damn" Liberals! :wink2:

:naughty::lmao::mfr_lol::lol3::roll1::tongue2:


:king:

[Church]

And now you ask me if I don't like it "when gays kiss/hold hands in public"?
And I clearly answer you: Yes I dislike it!
As I would dislike public pedo- or necrophilia or even
heterosexual sex in the public.

We've to respect people's feelings and protect our children from such impressions!

KL, basically,I will do everything in my power to protect God's children from people. Is anyone taking seriously anymore?

I have read this entire thread so far, and must say, I agree with King Lear in most if not all of his concerns. I see many organizations who hold gatherings and special "marches" or "walks" and have NEVER EVER seen them wearing little or (next to nothing) clothing on! Why on God's green earth do homosexuals who march, and I agree with them marching...BUT why do they have to march naked or as close to it as they can??? I mean really???? what's that all about???? I mean can they not get their point across with clothes on?? Others organizations do. That to me is a legit concern!

Are you serious? You see many organizations who hold gatherings and walks, but it's all those numerous gay rights parades you've attended that concern you. I don't know where you live, but I'm already confused as to why you've been to tons of gay rights parades. I mean, why do you attend them, just to see if they take their clothes off? That actually sounds a bit gay. But whatever your reasons are for attending enough gay rights parades to be able to make an assessment such as "people at gay parades wear the least amount of clothing of everyone" (my paraphrase of your actual statement), it's obvious that you haven't tended enough non gay parades. If you had, you would be able to think about Mardi Gras in New Orleans, or Guavaween in Tampa, or even Carnival in Sao Paolo, Brazil... these are parades and events that are "known" for debauchery. Women show their boobs for beads, men grope at and feel up on them, heterosexuals are having sex everywhere you look, official parade floats come by and are staffed with, you guessed it, next-to-nude heterosexual slùt men and women. So yeah, you must REALLY spend a lot of time at all those gay events you attend.

One more thing, we are all born different and that should be respected.
But how can I respect a person which is gay when they shovel in my face their sexuality ?
I do not care, leave me be... but NO ! They HAVE to announce that they are homosexuals... Who cares for god sake...

JEEZ where do you guys come up with this stuff? Are you a stand up comedian, beren? Because the level of absurdity that comes out of you homophobes' mouth is pretty freaking funny. I think I can come up with a whole 30 minute act based on this thread ALONE.

Okay, beren, enlighten us: exactly who shovels their sexuality in your face again? And this happens, what, all the time? Like, you just walk outside of your house and immediately you are acosted by the gays, and they are announcing to you that they are gay, while simultaneously undressing themselves, attempting to convert you to homosexuality, and trying to marry a same-sex partner?

Oh, that doesn't happen? Didn't think so. Would you mind clarifying exactly what you meant by that statement for us? And this time, make sure you use actual real events, not your imagination gone wild.

That leads me to conclusion that if you have a need to stick in someone's face about your deep personal life ,then you have a problem, a huge problem. That is invading someone's privacy and that is bad.
So when they do that ,they should not be surprised for reaction they usually get from heterosexuals.

Basically, you've watched one too many Sascha Baron Cohen movies, in my opinion.

And one last point, correct me if I am wrong but I never met more selfish, drama queen, self centered, annoying people than most of the gays I met through my work and in life.
I don 't say that all of them are like that but really many ,many of them are like that.

Oh my God. The fact that you keep repeating yourself is evidence to the rest of us that you are simply fearful of homosexuality. That's why you make up crazy stories like this (or believe ones that were told to you) and hide behind them. They are not real. The stories you are telling are just, comical. They are not based on reality. Anyone who actually knows gay people and/or associates with them, rather than just taking Glenn Beck's word for it, knows that gay people are just normal people. Now, there are such things as SLÙTS, and WHORES, and MISOGYNISTS, and WIFEBEATERS, and they can be gay or straight. But because there are more straight people than gay people in the world, these words more accurately describe straight people. But as a heterosexual man, I am WAY more disgusted by all the little teeny-bopper slùts I see at the mall, the wife-beating homophobe insulting and demeaning his wife at the resturant, the slùt waitress who needs to put a shirt on who just brought my food to me in this FAMILY restaurant I'm in...

You're not fooling anyone but yourself if you live in Western Society, are surrounded by sex and slùts everywhere, and think that homosexuality is "the problem." It just underscores your own idiocy, and gives me more material to laugh about.

Point is lingering on non important things such as sexuality or religion brings us nowhere but deeper hole from where we're trying to escape...

The only deep hole I am trying to escape from is the one that spawned this absurd thread. At least certain people's true colors came out. That's worth a lot, since many of the people reading this thread didn't even realize they were filled with hate, and I believe the healing can begin now. Then there are the ones in this thread that are just here to hate. That is their purpose in life, to hate, and to get other to hate with them.

Hate is hate, people. Every single one of us on this planet and beyond are children of God, and God hates nothing but hate.

This is elementary stuff. I can't believe it has to be expressed as such, but many people still don't see it. When you hate anyone or anything, you are a hater. Hate is nothing more or nothing less than what it sounds like. Hate. We all know that Love is the opposite of hate, and Love is what we are trying to bring into the world. That means, by virtue, that you must stop hating. Stop generalizing. Don't believe everything that Glenn Beck tells you. Or King Lear, for that matter. Or me! Don't be a tool bag, and research things for yourself. If someone tells you that gay people act a certain way, how about witnessing it for yourselves before jumping to conclusions?

How much longer is it going to be before you, some of you out there, grow up? This planet is overrun with 20-90 year old scared children, and I'm really getting close to rounding you all up and sending you to bed, so the grown folks can usher in the new world appropriately.

:zip:

mod edit, please no name calling, thank you

[King Lear]

KL,
ontario's northland
Are you serious?
you must REALLY spend a lot of time at all those gay events you attend.
beren
JEEZ where do you guys come up with this stuff?
stand up comedian, beren?
level of absurdity
you homophobes'

simply fearful of homosexuality.
you make up crazy stories
taking Glenn Beck's word
wife-beating homophobe insulting
your own idiocy, and gives me more material to laugh about.

filled with hate
ones in this thread that are just here to hate. That is their purpose in life, to hate, and to get other to hate with them.

Hate is hate, people.

you are a hater. Hate
Hate.
hate,
you must stop hating.
Don't believe everything that Glenn Beck tells you. Or King Lear,



Just a summary of "Church"!
A perfect Libertard! So stereotypic that one had to invent him if he wouldn't already exist and call everyone a "hater" in his ignorant self-righteous way!

:king:

mod edit, no name calling

[Céline]

i love you King Lear, i love you Chruch

Love...love love love love love love love...

Now..

Gay bashing?? i do hope this is not tolorated..


King Lear...You are intelligent..but lost

Church...You are compassionate, but hurt..

Enough children..behave.

[Church]

But I *am* hurt. I'm hurt that I am surrounded by a bunch of sociopaths in this lifetime. The whole entire world, it seems to be sometimes, is a bunch of self-absorbed sociopaths that actually do whatever it takes to justify their hatred. I use bombastic language and rhetoric sometimes just to reciprocate the absurdity, but in truth, and this is evident in every one of my posts, I only act hatefully toward people who have made glaring acknowledgements of how they hate some "type of people."

I only deconstruct posts which demonstrate how someone has erroneously concluded in their little sociopathic world that people who don't think or behave the way they do are disgusting, and therefore should be legislated out of existence. I never meant to pick on King Lear, he just made it so easy. Seriously, the guy also politicizes everything, and now everyone is a Liberal. I'm far beyond playing the little 3D polarity consciousness games like liberal vs. conservative, left vs. right, that sort of thing. And for all I know, King Lear could actually be a gay, black woman who is here to play the "devil's advocate" role, to show people how absurd the line of thinking is, and affect change as such. Anything's possible. I don't hate. But I hate hate. And I even hate it when people try using hate as a teaching tool. There are better, much quicker ways of waking people up.

But I digress. Let the gay bashing continue. I think we should all agree to disagree. It's okay that there are people who still hate gays. It's free speech and new agey and all that stuff. We are empowering ourselves to create and visualize our new world. One without gays. Just imagine, anyway, if the gays ascended with everyone else, anyway. To think that we would have to share Heaven with the gays, it's just preposterous! It's very paradoxical, too, if you think about it, because if gays were allowed into heaven, it would be hell for all the non-Gays, which are really God's chosen people, so it would negate the existence of God and existence would *POOF!* right out of existence. So since existence still exists, that means that God hates gay people. Vote for Palin in '12, she is going to make sure that the end of the Mayan calendar comes and goes in the most heterosexual way possible, for all people (except for the gay ones).

[Church]

I feel the need to reiterate, once more, that I am not gay. But I actually am starting to get a kind of a complex where I almost wish I were gay, so that I wouldn't have to be associated with heterosexuals like the ones that find gay people to be disgusting human beings. It reminds me of when I was in grade school and developed "white guilt" because of all the crap I learned about what the people who wrote the history books did. I healed that part of myself, and I will also heal the part of myself that is angered by homophobia.

I truly am disgusted by people who are disgusted by an erroneous generalization of other people. It's the only thing left, it seems, in my microcosm, that elicits an anger response from me. It's harmless anger, but anger nonetheless. Anger is tiresome.

[Céline]

But I *am* hurt.

i am sorry you feel that way.. and i understand your frustration..

sometimes..other humans.. make me feel embarrassed to be human..

[morguana]

ok folks enough is enough, i have better things to be doing than sitting here listening to the bikering thats going on here, any more swearing, name calling and that goes for snidy remarks about socalists too.......etc etc, and this thread is history. gosh i feel like sending you all to have time out......now anyone for a cuppa?

love
m x

edit to add this http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/10_03/piggy_468x321.jpg

[King Lear]

Another self-righteous "Church" show:


surrounded by a bunch of sociopaths
entire world, is a bunch of self-absorbed sociopaths
hatred.
hatefully toward people
hate

little sociopathic
people who don't think or behave
disgusting,
should be legislated out of existence
King Lear could actually be a gay, (again the old and less original theory of homosexuals apologists)
absurd the line of thinking is,
hate.
I hate hate
hate
hate as a teaching tool


God hates gay people. Vote for Palin in '12, (except for the gay ones).

homophobia.

I truly am disgusted by people
anger
anger,
anger
Anger
.

A typical liberal homosexuals apologist. A perfect case study.

You're so self-righteous that you don't recognize that you already have become what you alledgedly fight!
You're a real life Anakyn Skywalker!
Soon you're Palpatine's tool.
[Mod note: No Name Calling. Respect. Follow the guidelines.]


:king:

[Anchor]

King Lear, you are a hard-core debater for sure - and you are pushing the boundaries of what we will tolerate.

On a related note - do you have any compassion ?

A..

[beren]

Church, I do not need to explain my self to you.
King Lear has said everything. But I will add something here;
I wrote with respect and with thought for honest talk here but alas!

After your reply where you didn`t even read from my profile where I live ( you said or assumed that I live in western hemisphere ), you assumed that I look Glenn Beck ( btw who is GB ? ,I`ve seen few videos on you tube but I don`t understand his rage and "patriotic" rants ... for me he is stereotype of radical American presented in some Hollywood films), you called me names, you stated that I`m an idiot...

I will stop here. You are not worthy of honest conversation, you`re rude and terribly uninformed.
But I wish you all the best in your life journey.

[Church]

mod edit, please stop posting procotive material

[Karen]

Church and King Lear - take a 3-day break.
Read through the forum guidelines.

Thread closed for now ...

Update: Thread closed for ever - A.. ;)