Martial Arts - Have you trained or not?

[Anchor]

I read in another thread about Martial Arts and it set me thinking I wonder how many people on this forum have martial arts training? (I'd guess quite a few).

In my case several years of Wu Shu Kwan Kung Fu - I blame David Carradine and the TV series Kung Fu in the 70's for that little diversion ;) I learned it before the UK had all the martial arts registered and licensed by the "Martial Arts Commission". I decided not to do the blackbelt grading (even though I was ready) because I didn't want to go on the black belt register.

There has always been a strong link between sprituality and martial arts in my experience.

Please take the pop quiz and discuss.

A..

[TRANCOSO]

I read in another thread about Martial Arts and it set me thinking I wonder how many people on this forum have martial arts training? (I'd guess quite a few).

In my case several years of Wu Shu Kwan Kung Fu - I blame David Carradine and the TV series Kung Fu in the 70's for that little diversion ;) I learned it before the UK had all the martial arts registered and licensed by the "Martial Arts Commission". I decided not to do the blackbelt grading (even though I was ready) because I didn't want to go on the black belt register.

There has always been a strong link between sprituality and martial arts in my experience.

Please take the pop quiz and discuss.

A..
That's new to me. Why is that?

[Anchor]

Im from the UK. One day (in the 1980's) we were all given forms that we had to sign and send in to get our little MAC cards. I dont know why. I dont know if it is current practise still.

In the UK, if you were on the black belt-register, theoretically you could be more likely to be held to be an offensive weapon rather than just brawling. Not that I ever did that, but I didn't like the idea that one day I could be defending myself, the next moment finding myself being prosecuted for attempted murder just because I punched some lowlife into hospital ;) [1]

A..

[1] This characterizes the way I used to think - not how I think/behave today. I did eventually grow-up.... a bit.

[raulduke]

Cool thread Anchor. I'm interested to see the results of the poll too.

I started "rolling" brazillian jiu-jitsu a awhile ago. I earned my blue belt under 10th planet no gi jiu-jitsu within about 10 months, but unfortunately had to leave that gym after moving. I've been bouncing around a few mixed martial arts gyms for awhile now but I'm hoping to return to 10th planet soon to demonstrate for my purple belt.

I've learned a few different disciplines on the periphery; boxing, muay thai, vale tudo, but the striking martial arts never interested me as much as grappling and jiu-jitsu. Even though I'm a fairly big guy, I always liked the idea of a defensive martial art that can negate size, and most street fights aren't exactly boxing matches with the kingsbury rules! If you're in a street fight with a jiu-jitsu player and have no grappling or submission experience, you'll likey be asleep in a very short time.

That said, most of the people I've met in mma gyms, the serious guys, are the very least provocable. They're the absolute last ones to engage in any "street" physical confrontation and even then it's as minimal as possible. There is indeed a spiritual aspect involved that I've personally benefited from. Respect is huge, not just for people but for the art.

[stal]

i've learnt bits and pieces of different styles since i was about 5 years old. always wished i'd done more grappling though.

[TRANCOSO]

My style is Wado Kai, which is a defensive 'no contact' form of karate. 'No contact' is actually more difficult than 'full contact'.
I've learned to recognize trouble from miles away, and how to avoid it. But if in doubt, knock 'm out.
And always strike first.
Knee caps, or in the worst possible scenario, the eyes.

I've used my skills once, and I must admit, it's the best adrinaline rush I've ever felt.

Peace! :naughty:

[Shaynard]

~Be water my friend~

This meant much more than the physical ideas.


The connection between Martial Arts and spirituality can be no different than becoming some sort of "minister" for a Religious group. If you're doing it correctly, and from your heart.. You will find much more than health and skills to defend yourself with.


In light, of love
Shaynard

[lucrum]

I trained Tae Kwon Do for a while when younger, for a couple of years until I hurt myself (in a seperate event) and had to quit for a while. During that time my club went under.

Later I had a visit to Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, but only for a few months. I had increasing troubles with my ancle, so I had to stop doing much at all.

Would love to do something like that again, but it means I will have to travel to be able to. There is nowhere to train around here now.

[john-d]

Yeah , i did jeet kon do , Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and mma for a few years . Cagefighting was a passion of mine for quite a while . Im a fluffy bunny now though with a very different outlook thanks to the 'Ra material' :original:

[Swanny]

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[TRANCOSO]

Yeah , i did jeet kon do , Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and mma for a few years . Cagefighting was a passion of mine for quite a while . Im a fluffy bunny now though with a very different outlook thanks to the 'Ra material' :original:
Who taught you Jeet Kun Do? This Kung Fu/Tai Chi style, developed by Bruce Lee, is very rare & practiced by few.
And what is Brazilian Jiu Jitsu? A mix of Capuera & Japanese Jiu Jitsu, perhaps?

[Greetings]

I did Tae Kwon Do when i was younger, but can't say i remember much to use instinctually.


I did take Judo when i was in college a couple years ago, and that definitely broke some barriers for me.

After that I got really serious on the "route sending" rock climbing scene, and watched my body transform before me.

I now practice Qigong sets and work with energy flow + ashtanga vinyassa yoga - but im kinda just going at my own pace. I'd like to see what i'm capable of in a spar now.

Overall, I'd have to give it to the climbing/Movement meditation (Qigung) - it changed how i operate my body, from such a simple thing as grabbing a door handle or using a fork.

I also play piano, and with my resignation in the party-play business (ever seen eyes wide shut?) i've come to think ive got some deadly hands if it ever came to it.:zip:

[gita]

I trained in kickboxing which also incorporated wrestling, Kung Fu, jiu-jitsu, thai, Tae Kwon Do... It was hard going but the skills stay with you for a life time. My sensei also trained us in Kukri and Japanese swords which were my favourite. I got my daughter into training since she was four years old and now she’s twelve and is a first dan. Here’s a youtube vid of her. She’s the taller one and sparing with a boy.

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[Anchor]

Who taught you Jeet Kun Do? This Kung Fu/Tai Chi style, developed by Bruce Lee, is very rare & practiced by few.
And what is Brazilian Jiu Jitsu? A mix of Capuera & Japanese Jiu Jitsu, perhaps?

Brazillian Jiu Jitsu seems to be quite popular in Australia - it is the Jiu Jitsu made famous by the Gracie family - derivative of Japanese style ground fighting experts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_Jiu-Jitsu

[Steve_A]

Hi Anchor,

I trained traditional Kung Fu (Shaolin do Norte) for four years. I took time out and I'm back in the gym to get me back up to strength (or trying to!) so I can get back in the saddle so's to speak.

Best regards,

Steve



I read in another thread about Martial Arts and it set me thinking I wonder how many people on this forum have martial arts training? (I'd guess quite a few).

In my case several years of Wu Shu Kwan Kung Fu - I blame David Carradine and the TV series Kung Fu in the 70's for that little diversion ;) I learned it before the UK had all the martial arts registered and licensed by the "Martial Arts Commission". I decided not to do the blackbelt grading (even though I was ready) because I didn't want to go on the black belt register.

There has always been a strong link between sprituality and martial arts in my experience.

Please take the pop quiz and discuss.

A..

[Malletzky]

I have trained carate in my youth (I was 8-12 years old, one of the youngest brownbelt carrier back then) and even if I wanted to do the blackbelt grading (my coach said I was ready), I wasn't allowed to, as I wasn't 14 years old (don't ask me why, they told me this and I had to accept).

So I decided to quit and I almost :tears: became a professional football (soccer) player...

But, what left from these early years of training is really an astonishing body coordination, which helps me a lot thru my life...

malletzky

[Kulapops]

Hi Anchor,

yes, for me, it's Tai chi (why of course!... check out my Avatar :original:)


I practice the Lee Family style, which is a bit different to the more popular Yang style.

I love it. Some say it's the ultimate martial art (Tai chi means 'supreme ultimate'... although it's also the name for what we also call the yin-yang symbol). I think the video below proves this...

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[gita]

Kula you is so funny man. :roll1::roll1::roll1::roftl::roftl::lmao::lmao::ro ll1::roll1:

[es7ter]

1 week of Judo at age 12. No kidding. Too funny even to mention it. I was the fattest kid in the whole class. You can imagine it was a train going nowhere fast.
It would be good to get some training, but I would much prefer fencing and archery, these two I’ve been contemplating taking up. Mix it with horse riding and I am a modern day heroine in the making.
Much respect to all of you my fellow Avalonians, great subject! Thanks for having me here.

[raulduke]

Brazillian Jiu Jitsu seems to be quite popular in Australia - it is the Jiu Jitsu made famous by the Gracie family - derivative of Japanese style ground fighting experts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazilian_Jiu-Jitsu

Yeah it's starting to get some attention here in the states as well. Brazillian jiu-jitsu as I understand it was adapted from the Japanese style to be more aggressive. The Gracie family took it leaps and bounds in the early 90's creating the ufc, and we found out how all these styles actually compared in real practice for the first time in who knows how many years, and as a result alot of very old martial arts have evolved extremely quickly in a short period of time relative to their existance. It was Royce Gracie that won the first tournament though so bjj was top dog early on, although now the wrestlers seem to have the upper hand.

The Gracies took jj pretty far, but the switch to no-gi, I believe happened in America. Taking some of the older guys outta their gi, they couldn't pull off alot of their moves, especially chokes. The no gi style is even more aggressive especially on one's back, always attacking limbs or looking for sweeps.

Here's an awesome grappling match between underdog Eddie Bravo (no shirt) and highly touted Royler Gracie at the Abu Dhabi Combat Club. This is a non-stop 9 minute battle with like 500 gaurd passes and recoveries. Incerdible finish as well, a beautiful triangle.

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That was the creation of 10th planet jj (:lol3: yup it means nibiru!), and Eddie Bravo's super aggressive style of jj.

[john-d]

Who taught you Jeet Kun Do? This Kung Fu/Tai Chi style, developed by Bruce Lee, is very rare & practiced by few.
And what is Brazilian Jiu Jitsu? A mix of Capuera & Japanese Jiu Jitsu, perhaps?
I know its rare and a mixture of a few different disciplines , it was a school in coventry in the uk . The instructor was Mark Junday who is very talented indeed . The Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is widely used in mma mainly for ground work , the techniques are simple but very effective . I think Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and Japanese Jiu Jitsu are different although i cant say for sure because ive never studied the japenese style .
John

[Ammit]

I trained Judo, Karate(shoto kahn), jujitsu and was trained by an ex army trainer & world Judo champion guerilla warfare unarmed combat to a certain degree.

Never used it, never plan to as I find a good piece of 3"x3" works just as well, I cant get my leg that high now anyway...

[Luminari]

Hi Anchor, yes Aikido a bit here and there for the last 20 years..

Its purely defensive and quite spiritual in orientation.

My father is an instructor.. so I do training with him and my brothers more often now that I live closer to them.

I recommend it to anyone.

[Stargazer1965]

I trained in kickboxing which also incorporated wrestling, Kung Fu, jiu-jitsu, thai, Tae Kwon Do... It was hard going but the skills stay with you for a life time. My sensei also trained us in Kukri and Japanese swords which were my favourite. I got my daughter into training since she was four years old and now she’s twelve and is a first dan. Here’s a youtube vid of her. She’s the taller one and sparing with a boy.

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Boy...he was outclassed....:original:

[Luminari]

Oh and I am actually beginning a QI GONG course next week!

Though that hardly rates as a martial art- maybe if I send a love energy blast to my adversary and they collapse in an orgasmic puddle of bliss. :lol3:

Who knows.. if Kunlun Nei Gung is anything to go by.

[Stargazer1965]

Aerobic kick boxing trainer....not real martial arts but it brought the "evenness" that I always lacked.

I'd did 6 classes a week for 3 hours a night.

Best shape I was ever in.

Peace

[Luminari]

http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/ww178/luminari_2009/aikido.jpg

[gita]

Boy...he was outclassed....:original:

She's pretty good but her problem is that she's so darn lazy and can't be bothered to put in the extra effort - drives me nuts. Her sensei wants to put her in competitions but she's not that way inclined which I find quiet refreshing - plus she says that if she ever gets in a ring she probably get her **** kicked - that's my gal!:lol3:

[Steven]

I began Martial Arts with shaolin Kung Fu for about 5-6 years. Then trained in Brazil 4 years Brasilian Jiu-jitsu, since then I keep training Jiu-jitsu, but on and off since the birth of my kids. It's been over 20 years now and still have the passion for the do-jo.

I tasted a bit of Shintaido, created by master Aoki in Japan, amazing man.

Namaste, Steven

[Steven]

...I think Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and Japanese Jiu Jitsu are different although i cant say for sure because ive never studied the japenese style...

Yes, they are different. The Gracie familly largely adapted japanese jiu-jitsu for street fighting. Even now in Brasil, there is two different school of jiu-jitsu. The Gracie technic and the southern newer form which have detached from the Gracie familly.

What we know as UFC existe since almost 100 years in Brasil called 'Vale Tudo'. The Gracie have adapted the japanese jiu-jitsu for this kind of fight.

Namaste, Steven

[Steven]

...If you're in a street fight with a jiu-jitsu player and have no grappling or submission experience, you'll likey be asleep in a very short time...

:lol3: Maybe I shouldnt mention it here, but I know what you are talking about, because I did it, twice, legitimate defense.

Namaste, Steven

[Peace of mind]

I grew up learning Tai chi, boxing and some Capoeira. Tai Chi is my favorite, especially the discipline and the principles of oneness with nature. Hope I will never have to use what I learned in self defense.

Peace

[Shaynard]

Hi Anchor, yes Aikido a bit here and there for the last 20 years..

Its purely defensive and quite spiritual in orientation.

.

One of my favorite arts right there. I have had the pleasure of meeting and training with many "famous" martial artists and teachers. While training in several arts. Aikido is one of my personal favorites. I really love the gui.

There is a lot more Jeet Kune Do being taught than most hear about. It is tricky however as many read the Tao and believe they know the art. It really is much more of a philosophy than a style. I prefer to call it the anti-style. It is efficient. A blend of the spirit and the body and the mind in perfect motion. (Not to say others are not, at all)

Thank you for this thread Anchor.. I was curious as well. :)

In light, of love
Shaynard

[Mercuriel]

Yi Dan (2nd Degree) in WTF Tae Kwon Do...

Cho Dan (1st Degree) in Hapkido

Nidan (1st Degree) in Shotokan Karate...

Qinghu Si Duan : Blue Tiger (4th Degree) in Southern Hung Gar Tiger Claw Gung/Kung Fu...

Ex-MIL too...

:wink2:

[TRANCOSO]

Black belt Wado Kai karate
Master degree Tai Ming

[Firstlook]

The only Martial Arts training I had was when I was 12, in a Youth center program. I think it was only for a couple of months and nothing really serious. I do remember being told that it was for the benefit of all us angry kids.:wall: I think it was a good idea. But alot of the parents got mad at the councilors for teaching us to be better "fighters". :lol3: Of course that wasn't really what it was about.

I'd like to get into it eventually. I need alot of stretching though.


peace:original:

[lucrum]

To be honest, back when I was training Tae Kwon Do my trainer told us something that really stuck: "We do not train Tae Kwon Do to learn how to fight, we train it to learn how not to fight"

If I am to train any form of martial arts, I require the club to be of a non-violent nature. There have been a few Karate clubs around here that have been promoting a tough guy image and teaching fairly young kids all sorts of ways to injure another human being.

In my mind, first rule of fighting is avoiding the fight alltogether. Even running away is better than actually fighting, if at all possible. You avoid injuring someone or being injured yourself.

[Firstlook]

To be honest, back when I was training Tae Kwon Do my trainer told us something that really stuck: "We do not train Tae Kwon Do to learn how to fight, we train it to learn how not to fight"

If I am to train any form of martial arts, I require the club to be of a non-violent nature. There have been a few Karate clubs around here that have been promoting a tough guy image and teaching fairly young kids all sorts of ways to injure another human being.

In my mind, first rule of fighting is avoiding the fight alltogether. Even running away is better than actually fighting, if at all possible. You avoid injuring someone or being injured yourself.

Right. Thats the general Idea as far as I see it.


peace:original:

[Mercuriel]

Yes - It is this fact - That You are an expert in the Martial Arts that You can or should be able to avoid most Violence...

The Art of Not-Fighting.

It is Not-Fighting as the Practitioner should be able to carry Himself/Herself in such a manner that a Confrontation is not necessary.

Those that Confront are Fighters - Not Martial Artists. They only start Fights because They have no way to deal with issues other than Violence or Intimidation.

Many of You already know this but the True Martial Artist is balanced and walks from a Fight as there is no need to Fight. They only Fight when provoked to do so and even then - They use the Attackers' own Strengths against Them by Defending from Blows the Attacker levies against Them.

:thumb_yello:

It is like a Finger pointing its way to the Moon. Concentrate on the Finger and You will miss all the Heavenly Glory...

One must be as Water. Water Flows over everything. It is Gentle - It is soothing - It can erode Granite and is the most Fluid Force in the World. Be Water My Friend...

:winksmiley02:

My Sifu used to say - "Fighters start Fights - Martial Artists end Them"...

[futureyes]

a few years of tae kwon do ... that was back when and i'm not certain i'd remember any of it now ...

well ... i guess if i was in a nasty predicament ... i'd probably remember some thing pretty darn quick if i had to :shocked:

one thing i do remember are the same words you were told lucrum ...
"We do not train Tae Kwon Do to learn how to fight, we train it to learn how not to fight" ...

some words just never escape us ...

:wub2:

[Neo]

I did wing chun for a couple of years and was greatly inspired by the late, great bruce lee. Anyone read his book 'Tao of Jeet Kune Do'? He had a wonderful spiritual connection and philosophy to life, a very wise man indeed.

[Shaynard]

I bruce lee. Anyone read his book 'Tao of Jeet Kune Do'?


I have several times to mention just one "connection". I agree with your conclusion on the Tao. ( I mentioned this book in an above post, as well as other "hints" towards that man :) )


~Be water my friend~

In jest: I was expecting you (Neo) to post.. "I know Kung Fu!" or "I'm gonna learn jujitsu?".. :D


In light, of love
Shaynard

[raulduke]

:lol3: Maybe I shouldnt mention it here, but I know what you are talking about, because I did it, twice, legitimate defense.

Namaste, Steven

Yeah, I've been there too. That's what I always liked about bjj, if you're good, you can disable an opponent without getting hurt or having to hurt them. I work in a bar, and there's been a few times where a drunk gets rambunctious and got put to sleep. They always swing wild and leave their head hanging out there for a quick guillotine or d'arce choke. They'll wake up right away from a blood choke, the carotid opens up instantly when you let go, just hafta know when to, to protect the chokee as it were. Waking up on the floor usually humbles 'em pretty quickly.

[Swanny]

I did Shotokai Karate when I was 15 for almost two years. Our teacher didn't believe in grading so we only graded once after 3 months and never again. I tried Shotokan but didn't like that. I have now been doing Shotokai again for a year now :original: my class is only me and two 3rd dan black belts so I get very good teaching.

Seems like we are a force to be reckoned with :thumb_yello:

[Neo]

I have several times to mention just one "connection". I agree with your conclusion on the Tao. ( I mentioned this book in an above post, as well as other "hints" towards that man :) )


~Be water my friend~

In jest: I was expecting you (Neo) to post.. "I know Kung Fu!" or "I'm gonna learn jujitsu?".. :D


In light, of love
Shaynard


lol...... I was going to type that, not even thinking at the time about the matrix scene :mfr_lol: and yes, just saw your post. I am guilty of not ready them all first time round:naughty: also agree with you, Jeet Kune Do is much more a philosophy rather than a rigid style. "Use no limitation as limitation and no way as way" :original:

I had the privellige of being taught under William Cheung and also got to hear a little personal insight into his history with Bruce. Both are legends in my view.

[Tali]

I trained in FT Lauderdale Murphy's law of martial arts back in 2002 Ben Murphy's that is. You are gonna find a few of his friends frequenting this forum as if he can't defend himself we will.

Also Krav Maaga the best form of self defense imo, not ring fighting. Tai Chi is not bad for mobility and chillaxing the bod.

[NicholaQuinn]

Muay Thai, but would have loved to have a go at womens MMA.x

[voltus]

taekwondo blackbelt and ninjitsu sensei

[DOMINIC 777]

taekwando blackbelt and ninjitsu sensei

yes i did Tae Kwon Do and brown belt in japanese karate..1st kyu

[Steven]

Yeah, I've been there too. That's what I always liked about bjj, if you're good, you can disable an opponent without getting hurt or having to hurt them. I work in a bar, and there's been a few times where a drunk gets rambunctious and got put to sleep. They always swing wild and leave their head hanging out there for a quick guillotine or d'arce choke. They'll wake up right away from a blood choke, the carotid opens up instantly when you let go, just hafta know when to, to protect the chokee as it were. Waking up on the floor usually humbles 'em pretty quickly.

Hehe, I can imagine the scene... In brasil, this choke is called 'Mata Leon'. Means 'lion killer'. Still my favorite...

Namaste, Steven

[lawyerforliberty]

I studied Hung Gar (Tiger/Crane) Kung Fu 1972-78 in the San Francisco Bay Area after I got out of the Army. In the Army I received what was called hand-to-hand combat training. Some basic stuff, like the rear strangle take down hold and perrying. I was in the 82nd as an 11 Bravo (infantry) soldier, but we never got any more training. I think they expected us to shoot and blow things up rather than get into hand-to-hand.

In the '90s I studied Kempo Karate for many years. That is a very hard form. It is heavily focused on physical fitness, which is very important.

There are really only a hand full of strikes and kicks that one needs to master. The rest is tradition and show. That was Bruce Lee's point and why he developed Jeet Kun Do (spelling).

Elbows and knees can be lethal. Eyes and ears are very sensitive targets. No matter how large and strong your opponent, he/she has senstive eyes and ears, no more impervious than anyone else.

The most effective form of self defense is to not need it. "The art of fighting without fighting."

[hummingbird775]

Me and my girlfriend both train Mixed martial arts, I read the Tao by Bruce Lee first when i was 19 and it changed my life.

Martial arts increases awareness, in several different ways and definitely can be used to increase one's higher connection with first source or creation.

Shinya Aoki some of the best jiu jitsu, Fedor Emelianenko is amazing.

"Self Knowledge is the basis of Jeet Kune Do because it is effective, not only for the individual's martial art, but also for his life as human being" Bruce Lee. human becoming.. great to be here look forward to contributing

[She-Ra]

That's new to me. Why is that?

Probably considered a weapon, or unfair advantage in a fight, so like with a gun you have to be registered. Yes many things can be considered a weapon, but martial arts is a system of training and could be called a vetting process whereas anyone can go and buy weapons other than legally getting a gun and use them so they can't realistically have a register for that except keeping record of financial receipts if not paid with by cash.

If you ever get into a fight, in the UK, even in self defense you have to tell the other person(s) that you are martial arts trained and you're not allowed to use it on them, so basically you have to street fight or get beaten up. The laws might have changed though and it might be interesting to look up what the nuances are on people fighting in in a public where all parties know marital arts. Maybe the same as 'normal' fights - public disturbance, ASBO's, ABH/GBH etc.

[Shaynard]

, I read the Tao by Bruce Lee first when i was 19 and it changed my life.


"Self Knowledge is the basis of Jeet Kune Do because it is effective, not only for the individual's martial art, but also for his life as human being" Bruce Lee. human becoming.. great to be here look forward to contributing


Great to see it was all worthwhile. Rewards come in mysterious ways it seems. The beauty of this form of existence.

"Although you were told before, your ears could not hear. Perhaps your eyes will have better luck"

In light, of love
Shaynard

[Jnana]

in the UK, even in self defense you have to tell the other person(s) that you are martial arts trained and you're not allowed to use it on them, so basically you have to street fight or get beaten up.

Do you have references for this? How would they ever legally define "street fight". Is a martial artist supposed to forget how to block and punch, both of which become much more effective with training? "Oh, I'll just block half as well as I normally do." Is someone with jujitsu training supposed to forget submission holds which could end the fight with no one getting hurt?

In the US, there are laws against excessive use of force in a self-defense situation. Martial artists are held to a higher standard because they supposedly know how much damage they are causing, so your training can be a liability in a court room. But then, we also have "make my day" laws in certain states that allow deadly use of force against intruders in your home. It's worthwhile to know your local laws on such matters.

I hold dan rank in Tae Kwon Do and Jujitsu but I'm not training much at the moment. I'm getting too old for this stuff.

[TRANCOSO]

If you ever get into a fight, in the UK, even in self defense you have to tell the other person(s) that you are martial arts trained and you're not allowed to use it on them, so basically you have to street fight or get beaten up. The laws might have changed though and it might be interesting to look up what the nuances are on people fighting in in a public where all parties know marital arts. Maybe the same as 'normal' fights - public disturbance, ASBO's, ABH/GBH etc.
In Holland you also have to tell someone your hands & feet are deadly weapons, before you beat 'm up.
I always try to avoid fighting, but if no other option is left, I strike first. :lightsabre: :naughty:

[She-Ra]

It's too blurred an area for me to give exact references, what is generally known about it comes from the self defense section of UK Common Law. Everything I've seen on it before are general reviews because it's not statutory, and seems to be dealt with by individual case with specific legal advice and for those dealing with it to decide at a later date whether the behaviour came under a statute or remains under common law.

Just did a quick brush up and it seems the having to warn the other person(s) is no longer but martial artists have a duty to avoid conflict but if they cannot then like any other person they have to use reasonable action and if the fight escalates, escalate accordingly and if it lessons, then lesson their action too. BUT, in practice, in court they will have to prove that your behaviour was excessive and to determine whether it was self defense or revenge, they will examine that in hindsight obviously. In that situation, people will generally put the onus on the trained person to know better and even though it could have been situation that happened quickly and without warning people will generally expect the practitioner to have better instincts. It can be easily argued in all sorts of ways on an individual basis so the advice is generally to try and retreat or show reluctance and if that doesn't work then to try and neutralize the threat efficiently and without 'too much' damage in which case jujitsu is well designed.

How to define a street fight - exactly. That was just my terminology - but just not doing anything too obvious, that a non-practitioner wouldn't likely do is a safe idea. The public and courts aren't likely to look down on you for blocking, but if you have an obvious advantage and use it too well, people don't tend to like that.

[She-Ra]

In Holland you also have to tell someone your hands & feet are deadly weapons, before you beat 'm up.
I always try to avoid fighting, but if no other option is left, I strike first. :lightsabre: :naughty:

Ah, you don't have to do that here anymore, but it's advised to try and avoid or back out of fights and if you can't, a pre-emptive strike is allowed as long as it doesn't do the kind of damage that light sabre would. :winksmiley02:

[raulduke]

Shinya Aoki some of the best jiu jitsu,

Absolutely, his last fight on new year's, rolling with that hammer lock was beautiful, but the post broken arm antics, well, he's a very poor sport. Would love to see him fight Penn.


Fedor Emelianenko is amazing.


Agreed, prolly the best p4p in the world though I'd like to see him fight some of the more recent big names in HW mma. Anderson Silva might be a better argument for p4p, but Fedor's more mysterious so he gets the nod from me, plus he's not afraid to arm bar God....:lol3:

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....it's advised to try and avoid or back out of fights and if you can't, a pre-emptive strike is allowed as long as it doesn't do the kind of damage that light sabre would. :winksmiley02:

Agreed. Nothing good ever comes from a street fight, best to swallow any pride and concede to the drunks, unless all diplomatic avenues have been exhausted. Of course there are some clever ways to avoid a fight. I like this guy's approach, just embarass the would be bad guy into slinking away.:lol3:

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Almost forgot why I came back to this thread in the first place. I just finished watching Bill's new ww3 scenario vid, and the end reminded me of this interview with the late Evan Tanner. He was a self taught mma world champ, and died far too soon. A good man with his "message for a better world" here.

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[Heretic]

I'm kind of a jack of all trades in the arts; an expert some could say, but master of none (well maybe my own "mutt" art I suppose)

I started at the age of 12 in the mid 70s...and I am still learning at 47yrs old

I am not belted in any style and only studied in a few schools here and there (and usually not for long - always less than a year) as I learned most of what I know from individuals and one on one training due to friendships with those who shared the same intensity and obsession with the arts as I have through out my life.

my art leans more towards the hard styles with qigong as a complementary accompaniment so I have only started messing with the Fa Jing bearing arts in the last 5 years and boy do I wish I had come across this stuff earlier in my life! Unfortunately it was still way taboo to teach to Americans back then

strangely enough...

...I have learned a great deal of my art from dreams

I am firmly convinced that I spent a life (or more) in ancient china as a monk or something similarly connected to the early arts

PS: I want to get into a dojo with all of you and PLAY! :lightsabre:

[hummingbird775]

great post raulduke ( a fear and loathing reference i believe) thank you for posting the tanner videos i had never seen.. very moving especially knowing how his story ended up

[monique]

when i was eleven learn judo a few weeks - i can remember that in the first lesson we learn to fall and found this very interesting :thumb_yello: monique.