CHEMTRAIL WATCH GROUP now forming, USA, Southwest Virginia

[doodah]

Snowmageddon??? Don't blame Mother Nature. It's ALL MANMADE!

Since the middle of December, southwest Virginia has been heavily chemtrailed. All of the abnormally gray sky we're having has been artificially created, we have been deliberately deprived of our normal amount of sunshine - which has kept our temps lower than normal and our heating bills high. The East Coast blizzard before Christmas and the one in early February were heavily chemtrailed (manmade) events. This is not Mother Nature at all. There's NOTHING natural about this, and I want to prove it, starting now.

I'm so angry about how we're being manipulated that I'm forming a Chemtrail Watch group to collect data, get time/date-encoded time-lapse video, and use all this data to prepare a PowerPoint presentation for public education and for presentation to local, state, and national governing boards. We're going to demand answers and we're going to present proof. No more of this "it's just regular jet traffic" nonsense.

This whole thing may be weather wars aimed at Washington, DC, since they in fact have taken the brunt of these two major storms, but that's just a guess.

Anyone on this forum who knows anyone in southwest Virginia, or the mountains of North Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, or West Virginia, will you help out by sending them an email about this group now forming? They should indicate their interest by emailing ctwatch22@aol.com and we'll send them info on how we're going about this. We don't need their name, just their initials (in case we get more than one person in the same location) and their email address.

Thanks so much! You're a great bunch of people!

[Erin]

Hi Doodah,

Let us know how it's going. It sounds as if you're not necessarily set out to link the trails with poison, but proving that specific acts of spraying creates weather patterns that cause major destruction, unaffordable costs, etc.

I'm a couple of states north of you. We experienced 20+ inches of snow during the storm this past Friday. The next morning was crystal clear but then, yes, more trails around mid morning... while we're digging out and under a state of emergency.

The light of it is, people come together.

Erin

[SteveX]

[B][SIZE="4"] I'm so angry about how we're being manipulated that I'm forming a Chemtrail Watch group to collect data, get time/date-encoded time-lapse video, and use all this data to prepare a PowerPoint presentation for public education and for presentation to local, state, and national governing boards. We're going to demand answers and we're going to present proof. No more of this "it's just regular jet traffic" nonsense.

I'm very sceptic about this chem trail thing. I think you could reasonabley understand my view point. They look like regular con trails to me. However, there is talk of it and I applaud anyone who wants to prove it. It's one thing to plot dates and times of aircraft so they can be ticked off against scheduled flights but air pollutant tests need to be done. No one seems willing to do that. Surely that would be proof positive?

[doodah]

There's a definite pattern. Just check your local long range forecast and you'll see what they're planning for your area. Start watching two days before they plan to make it snow or rain or sleet. Sure enough, they will be chemtrailing, creating the cloud cover that they need. Without that cloud cover, it CANNOT snow, rain, or sleet.

Also, you can notice whether there are any clouds actually moving INTO your area from somewhere else. With all this chemtrailing, there has been very little cloud "movement." They're creating them on the spot right above our heads. It's that gray haze that is unnatural, especially at this time of year where I live.

My own local Chemtrail Planner had snow planned for this coming Sunday (60%). Now I see they've changed their minds. They're going to let us have sunshine for a whole week and skip the weekend snowstorm.

We had 28 inches from the Christmas blizzard which never melted for a whole month because they kept on socking us in and not letting the sun get through. This last one, we have another foot.

Like I say, I think it's aimed at DC.

[doodah]

air pollutant tests need to be done. No one seems willing to do that. Surely that would be proof positive?

Yes, indeed, it would. Do you know anyone who could pay for such tests? We need someone with a private plane who could fly underneath and scoop up some of that junk they're putting in the air, and then have it tested. We could also use infra-red video equipment so we can prove that they continue to lay chemtrails even after the sky is completely clouded over.

[swordsmith]

doodah, execellent that you are doing something, whatever the end result you will spread awareness. There are renewed energies in the pipeline regarding exposing chemtrails , you must be part of the flow in that regard. More power to you and all you manage to get on board.

I'm pretty sure there is a group trying to get money together to do an aerial air grab in the US , some of them are posters on GLP, you could search it. It's a madhouse of a forum but there is some amazing info there amongst the extreme disinfo and shilling. I'll try and find it. I don't know what transpired , I was banned for a while, you just can not mention the Tavistock or Stanford Research on that place, geeee I wonder why.

Steve X you might like to do some research on the subject . Some of the most highly intelligent people I've ever met ( virtually and in person) have devoted years of their lives gathering data and exposing this atrocity, I suggest you make an effort to find out why.
I guess you'd have to start at the beginning, so here it is plane and simple, contrails vs chemtrails. (Pun intended)
http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=76&Itemid=50

For anyone else interested there is a good current talk by Andrew Johnson on red ice, the subscribers part 2 is available onlline free, and I am sure he would not mind my saying so.
http://www.mediafire.com/?hnm43jm4my2

This " stuff" coming out of UNMARKED ( illegal ) airplanes is seriously affecting people, the whole electrical field is being manipulated and is really adding to dumbing people down, mentally and spritiually , especially combined with cell towers TV etc. No wonder people cant "see" them. Never mind the barium toxicity and aluminium poisoning. Morgellons ain't that great either.

I never did like a crime against humanity.

[SteveX]

I stopped reading Covert spraying link after this sentence.

[quote/] Genuine jet contrails typically dissipate entirely within a few seconds, or at the most a few minutes after being laid down. [quote]

That is simply not true. Con trails, under certain conditions, can linger for almost an hour. If you doubt that then it means "they" have been doing it since the 60's....according to my personal observations.

Please forgive my scepticism and I'm not here to poo poo the theory. If indeed they are chem trailing our sceptred Isle I'll be camping at number 10. For me to get on board I'd want more proof i.e air pollutant data. If that’s not possible them I'd need data from petro chemical / pharmaceutical comings and going at our air bases. There will be tankers delivering this stuff. Considering the size of our country and our relaxed state of security I think word would creep out of unusual shenanigans. That could come from the manufacture of the chemicals or the suppliers to the manufacturers. It could come from that haulage companies office staff or drivers. Then you have RAF personal. From pilots to guardsmen. Quite frankly there's thousands upon thousands of people involved both here in the UK and abroad. Somewhere along that line of infrastructure someone would hear of the chem trail theory and put 2 & 2 together.

Sorry for interrupting the thread with my negativity but the quoted line above makes me shiver with disbelief... sorry.

[Julius]

doodah, I hope you can get to the bottom of this..http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/images/smilies/lightsabre.gif

Last night, on my drive home, for the very first time since observing chemtrails over Montreal, I saw a black chemtrail....two of them. It freaked me out totally. In the past 3 years there were always white, but yesterday sent a chill down my spine. I wish I had a camera...

[doodah]

More power to you and all you manage to get on board.

Thank you, Swordsmith, and thank you for taking up the "debate." I am not here to debate... I'm hoping some people will turn up to help in collecting data, but none so far! I'm beyond waiting for "them" to give me information. I'll get my own information, as far as we can do that, and SteveX maybe you can too where you live. You have eyes. Use them and then see what logical conclusions you can draw from the data.

I will point out that NOTHING normally flies over my house except one plane every night at 10 pm and an occasional helicopter. So at my house this activity is very obvious. Other places, I know it's harder to see the difference. When 22 aircraft fly over my house in 2 hours, there's nothing normal about that, and all of them laying thick white trails miles long. Nobody can convince me that that is "normal" aircraft and normal contrails.

I'm pretty sure there is a group trying to get money together to do an aerial air grab in the US , some of them are posters on GLP, you could search it....

That would be fantastic. GLP - horrible site, but will do.

you just can not mention the Tavistock or Stanford Research on that place, geeee I wonder why.

Interesting... thanks for your comments here.

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[doodah]

...I wish I had a camera...

Yes, Julius, exactly. Everyone sees something once in a while. We're going to try to do very coordinated observations over a specific time span and record everything we see in that time, as well as, hopefully get coordinated time-date-encoded/time-lapse video so that anybody with eyes will be able to see that cloud cover RESULTED from all those chemtrails. There's nothing natural about the solid gray skies we've had here in southwestern Virginia, or the two blizzards that have hit this area. The complexities of weather systems aside, chemtrailing before a blizzard, creating cloud cover? Whyever for unless you want to be SURE there are clouds? It will not snow if there are not clouds, and if they'd stop chemtrailing us we'd have mostly blue skies, as is normal for here, and as we had for one solid glorious week in January... no chemtrails during that time.

[swordsmith]

I'm going to call a spade a spade, steve X you are either a shill or very very unobservant, god help you either way.
doodah I will do what I can to further your efforts, and this is NOT a debate, IMO, if it is , let me know then I am out of here, the time for debate is over.

[doodah]

I'm going to call a spade a spade, steve X you are either a shill or very very unobservant, god help you either way.
doodah I will do what I can to further your efforts, and this is NOT a debate, IMO, if it is , let me know then I am out of here, the time for debate is over.

Sorry, swordsmith, no offense meant there! I meant "thank you for answering steveX" because I didn't want to get into that kind of discussion/ confrontation/ argument/ exchange of viewpoints, whatever... I called it a "debate," maybe a poor choice of words! That isn't my purpose here, and I hope you picked up that I very much appreciate your comments in sort of "handling" that part of this. It's not that I mind that kind of exchange here if that's what people want to get into, it's just I'm not putting any time into it. So thank you again!

I also appreciate your further comment to steveX, because surely that is what I was also thinking! You read my mind!

Best wishes!

[SteveX]

I'm going to call a spade a spade, steve X you are either a shill or very very unobservant, god help you either way.
doodah I will do what I can to further your efforts, and this is NOT a debate, IMO, if it is , let me know then I am out of here, the time for debate is over.

You are quite entitled to your opinion but as a pragmatist I interjected by saying air pollutant would be proof positive. I've read about these chem trails and watched vids on Youtube. No one seems to want to do air samples, which confounds me. Obviously there are funding problems involved for individuals but if Doodah is going to organise something then air samples are a must. Do you not agree?

I'm not talking you out of it just stating that you need more than a log filled with aircraft fly byes. I've said you could also tanker spot at air bases. Those chemicals are not going to arrive by magic. Someone has to manufacture the stuff then get it transported. Too practical a suggestion? Too much common sense involved? So much so I have to be a "SHILL?"

Na! mate. You just keep shaking your fist at the sky. I'll brew another cuppa.

[swordsmith]

keeping brewing buddy, nothing to see here. When you wake up let us know.

[hanesroadron2]

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I will point out that NOTHING normally flies over my house except one plane every night at 10 pm and an occasional helicopter. So at my house this activity is very obvious. Other places, I know it's harder to see the difference. When 22 aircraft fly over my house in 2 hours, there's nothing normal about that, and all of them laying thick white trails miles long. Nobody can convince me that that is "normal" aircraft and normal contrails.





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Hi doodah,

I too live in South Western Virginia and I have been watching the sky for years. And I am willing to help if I can but I do have one question if you don't mind.

What part of SW VA do you live in ? You don't have to be specific if you don't want to,(I would understand) just town or maybe county name

The reason I ask is because you say there is little to no normal air traffic that you can see from your house. And I know of no place like this in SW Va

So where is this place in SW Va that you can normally only see " one plane every night at 10 pm and an occasional helicopter"???



Keep looking up

Ron:original:

[Tatiana]

Hello everyone - been lurking here for years and finally joined, but only got around now to post here for the first time, so go easy on me, ok?

Anyway, for those of you who still are sitting on the fence about the Contrail/Chemtrail issue, the next two sites are by people who have done the research (especially the second site) did the lab tests - there really is a difference between the two! For one, Clifford E Carnicom the owner of the second site, did a simple experiment some years ago (I don't know if he still has it on his site, but it was when he first started investigating them), he had some software which allowed him to see the identifiers of each commercial and private air plane which passed over his region. Whenever one passed that was doing chemtrails it turned out he could not get any identifiers for that flight because it was military and therefore excluded from the capabilities of the program.

The most obvious difference between condensation trails and chemical trails is the fact that the first dissipates after a short while after the plane passes and is pure white. Chemtrails on the other hand broaden out behind the plane and keep getting more spread out as time passes - until finally the whole sky is covered with a gray haze, which also creates a dirty rainbow halo if the sun (or the moon) shines through them. Which are two easy ways to separate chemtrails from condensation trails with simple observations anyone can do - the fact that they don't dissipate with time, the grayish color when spread out and the dirty halos.

I might also mention the fact that besides the fact that chemtrails apparently issue from military planes, they clearly do not follow established flight routes but are laid in a checkerboard pattern with sometimes a giant X pattern overlay as well - usually by a number of planes flying together at high altitudes - all of which can also be observed in a short time from numerous places throughout the country if not the world by now.

Until very recently I had a link from a California weather person who actually posted warnings of chemtrail activity on his site! I was hoping to give you a link, but he has a new website and this feature is no longer available. I kid you not! You should have seen some of the satellite images he had there of chemtrail activity!!! Once you see this you will have to face the fact that something else is going on - why would planes on a daily basis almost go back and forth over a region and then go across in the same manner - literally hundreds of trails until the entire sky is covered?

Here is the link to his site anyway:

http://www.scwxa.org/scwa.html

Maybe you can contact him about the chemtrail alerts he used to have and see if he will post them again. He is on twitter and facebook.


http://www.willthomasonline.net/willthomasonline/CHEMTRAILS_CONFIRMED.html

http://carnicom.com/

Anyway, chemtrails is just one small part of a much larger pattern of intervention into natural weather patterns for dubious reasons at best. From what I have heard, chemtrails are first of all a means to facilitate long distance military communications, but also they seem to have other purposes piggy backed on them (why not, that is a lot of fuel they burn laying all of that graffiti!), C Carnicom has found all kinds of substances in the fallout from these trails, biologicals too, I think those lab tests are still on his site, he did those years ago!

Here is the real problem:

http://csat.au.af.mil/2025/volume3/vol3ch15.pdf

If you look at this document (which has long been declassified and comes directly from the public portion of the US military website) you will get an idea what their plans are and believe me, they must be way beyond what is outlined here or else it would not have been made available to the public!

The following two links are from Col Bearden's site and are some presentations about man made weather and hint at what technologies are at their disposal. I encourage you to take a look at some of his other presentations also. You will get the idea that things have progressed much further than the average person can fathom watching faux snooze!

The last link is to Bearden's sitemap if you are interested. Btw, he also has an over unity device he would like to market to the world but you guessed it - snag after snag has hit him and he is still at square one. For a while he even got very sick, I'm sure it was a coincidence (or not).


http://cheniere.org/toc.html (site map)



http://cheniere.org/satellite%20radar%20anomalies/index.html

http://cheniere.org/clouds/index.html

I don't mean to scare you, but what we are up against is really monumental and if you ask me, way beyond our capacity to stop at this point. Well maybe if we stopped funding the programs, everyone refused to fight their wars for profit, I mean a loud message of 'enough already' - it would really need a major refusal to cooperate in any manner with those responsible and all who are helping and supporting them - but that is another can of worms, for one, we are way too divided and to do anything significant we would really have to act as one globally, because this is a global threat!

And 'they' know we don't have the unity to do this, in fact they made sure of it!

So fasten your seat belts, seems we are in for a rough ride mates!






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[Magamud]

I use my memory on this subject. I can remember watching jets all the time and there was none of this years ago. There was blue skies, natural forming clouds etc... I can see use of weather modification, correlate Tesla tech and see the propaganda to minimize and normalize this bull *****...

[swordsmith]

thanks dude - ah, I was not in the least offended, it would take so much more than that and you are doing the right thing in a wrong world . The main thing is to be diligent and maybe relentless in this area, we can not waste time or effort ( same thing) on naysayers, however intelligent they may sound. Just get on with it the best you can . I am a tireless campaigner for truth. Many people are just willing to waffle. I am not.

So lets see how it goes. Today I had an email about a big production film about chemtrails . Not sure, we shall see.

They will be stopped . Just when is the question and the sooner for " them " the better. It's " not nice to fool mother nature". Actually this is a phrase from some kind of advertising campaign in the 70's (? ) but it carries some weight, and nobody is fooling the mother, but if you wanna be the fool, less power to you. That's what it amounts to.
Stevie, your only excuse is;
a. you were born yesterday
b. you live under a flight path

[swordsmith]

tatiana, dear heart, keep at it , nice post, and why lurk?

[doodah]

Hi doodah,

I too live in South Western Virginia and I have been watching the sky for years. And I am willing to help if I can but I do have one question if you don't mind.

What part of SW VA do you live in ? You don't have to be specific if you don't want to,(I would understand) just town or maybe county name

The reason I ask is because you say there is little to no normal air traffic that you can see from your house. And I know of no place like this in SW Va

So where is this place in SW Va that you can normally only see " one plane every night at 10 pm and an occasional helicopter"???

:original:

Hi Ron. Please join us!! That would be fantastic. Email me at ctwatch22@aol.com and I'll have a full discussion with you about where I am.

I do know that I've got an unusual situation. It's extremely quiet here, no overflights, no interstate noise in the background. Basically I'm in a hollow bounded by high ridges with a pretty narrow view of the sky. Because of that anything that passes overhead is very obvious.

When I say "nothing" flies over, I'm not counting things that fly at 30,000 feet or too high to see. I'm sure there's lots of planes up there at that altitude. At night they pass over like tiny dots of light in the night sky. Chemtrail planes don't fly that high, as far as I know.

I'm saying that nothing flies at chemtrail altitude, where the plane is small but visible and the trail is quite obvious. That's the upper limit for chemtrail planes that I can see. They frequently fly lower than that, where the plane is larger because it's closer and the trails are broader because they're closer. Nothing flies at that altitude over me other than chemtrail planes. Off to the south and sometimes to the north I can see normal short jet contrails, so there is some air traffic there and it may be regular, but that's not over my house. My neighbor up the road says he feels like he lives in a plane corridor, so many go over ... and that's just up the road... but not at my house.

The 10 pm plane comes in so low it looks like it's going to skim the ridge top. It's huge because it's so close, and very loud. Email me and I'll get you started with the data collection. You're most welcome!

[doodah]

I use my memory on this subject. I can remember watching jets all the time and there was none of this years ago. There was blue skies, natural forming clouds etc... I can see use of weather modification, correlate Tesla tech and see the propaganda to minimize and normalize this bull *****...

Yes, Megamud. Blue skies and natural clouds. We need to really value and honor our old people now, because pretty soon they will be the only ones who ever knew what a natural planet was like. They're killing off everything, and now they're killing the sky.

I think the only kind of clouds they can't make with chemtrails are the big fat puffy cumulus clouds. They're still natural. But anything thin and wispy is very suspect. I've actually recently seen a complete transformation from straight line chemtrail to "mare's tails," like giant commas in the sky. They're getting really sneaky with this stuff!

[doodah]

QUOTE=Tatiana--I don't mean to scare you, but what we are up against is really monumental and if you ask me, way beyond our capacity to stop at this point....this is a global threat!

Tatiana... thanks for that! Good info for whoever needs it.

It is true that these are very powerful people we are up against. Through media they are producing a nation of zombies. However, there are BILLIONS of us "little folks" out here and some of us are awake. All it would take, really, is a Worldwide Do Nothing Day, where all us little folks just sat down and did nothing. Literally, absolutely not one thing that supports them, especially not spending any money. They need us and cannot do what they do without us being their hands.

[Magamud]

Soon im sure they will get their agenda without leaving chemtrails. They will invent an invisible spray. NASA just released an education for kids on cloud formations and 90% were chemtrail clouds. They are changing our genetic makeup and changing the planet to an alternate universe.

[doodah]

So, Megamud, do you take that as positive and desirable (for the human race) or the opposite?

And BTW, I see you are from North Carolina. We're asking people from the central-to-western part of NC to join us in our chemtrail data gathering. Would you be interested?

And, right... I didn't know about the NASA thing for kids, but there you go. There will soon be generations of people who think chemtrails are normal and have no concept of what is natural for this planet. NASA should be ashamed of themselves! What a scam is being perpetrated here! It's all happening remarkably fast.

[ad.johnson]

I stopped reading Covert spraying link after this sentence.

[quote] Genuine jet contrails typically dissipate entirely within a few seconds, or at the most a few minutes after being laid down. [quote]

That is simply not true. Con trails, under certain conditions, can linger for almost an hour. If you doubt that then it means "they" have been doing it since the 60's....according to my personal observations.

Please forgive my scepticism and I'm not here to poo poo the theory. If indeed they are chem trailing our sceptred Isle I'll be camping at number 10. For me to get on board I'd want more proof i.e air pollutant data. If that’s not possible them I'd need data from petro chemical / pharmaceutical comings and going at our air bases. There will be tankers delivering this stuff. Considering the size of our country and our relaxed state of security I think word would creep out of unusual shenanigans. That could come from the manufacture of the chemicals or the suppliers to the manufacturers. It could come from that haulage companies office staff or drivers. Then you have RAF personal. From pilots to guardsmen. Quite frankly there's thousands upon thousands of people involved both here in the UK and abroad. Somewhere along that line of infrastructure someone would hear of the chem trail theory and put 2 & 2 together.

Sorry for interrupting the thread with my negativity but the quoted line above makes me shiver with disbelief... sorry.

Ahh - I see - can you give some time lapse video of these long lasting trails then please?

Can you please hire a plane and get a sample and get it tested for us? You are not poo pooing and need this data, so perhaps you can help to get it?

Is it natural for civilian air traffic to form grids and triangles? Can you prove to me that the flights listed on the dates given in that report are ALL civilian or military aircraft? Contrail-believers like the CAA etc could not prove to me that those flights were civilian or military - they could not tell me what they were. So their theory that that is what they were/are remains unproven.

But the trails continue - and they're not all from civilian aircraft (the ones that are I am not interested in).

For those struggling with this, here is a helpful video filmed by Scott Stevens a few years ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JRmfOVWK0k

Start at about 40 seconds.

Please feel free to debate the issue endlessly, using anonymous handles which can't be used to identify you....

[taomation]

Hi All,


Just my two cents. I didn't read all the posts, but did most of them. Anyone who can't see the Chemtrail effects, especially after observing the trails for a while has a problem with their right brain and simply can't recognize patterns.

Kerry interviewed Scott Stevens on her radio show. His site is one of the best I have ever seen on Chemtrails and this is from a weather man.

http://www.weatherwars.info/

Here is another link from Austraila where the guy sent rain water to a lab and the results where mind boggling.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFn2c-1xmgg

This phenomanon is happening all over the world. Here in L.A. the weather of clear blue skies I grew up with now resembles London gray most of the time.

Peace

[swordsmith]

Thanks everyone for the useful responses and yes it feels like it is of timely importance to keep pushing for exposure while it is still possible to see what's up. Even that is harder as the sky is so heavily saturated one can hardly see a clear blue background .
All I can say it that the trails have changed over the years and they are worse than ever. I can accurately predict that any blue sky day will be obliterated within 24 hours here in England, and no that's not normal. :nono:


heh heh heh , the right brain function and pattern recognition, good one, thanks for that.

So here is the link for the intended chemtrail " blockbuster", it pains me to type that, but you never know:
http://chemtrailmovie.webs.com/

It looks like a blank canvas so far.

[hanesroadron2]

Hi Ron. Please join us!! That would be fantastic. Email me at ctwatch22@aol.com and I'll have a full discussion with you about where I am.

I do know that I've got an unusual situation. It's extremely quiet here, no overflights, no interstate noise in the background. Basically I'm in a hollow bounded by high ridges with a pretty narrow view of the sky. Because of that anything that passes overhead is very obvious.

When I say "nothing" flies over, I'm not counting things that fly at 30,000 feet or too high to see. I'm sure there's lots of planes up there at that altitude. At night they pass over like tiny dots of light in the night sky. Chemtrail planes don't fly that high, as far as I know.

I'm saying that nothing flies at chemtrail altitude, where the plane is small but visible and the trail is quite obvious. That's the upper limit for chemtrail planes that I can see. They frequently fly lower than that, where the plane is larger because it's closer and the trails are broader because they're closer. Nothing flies at that altitude over me other than chemtrail planes. Off to the south and sometimes to the north I can see normal short jet contrails, so there is some air traffic there and it may be regular, but that's not over my house. My neighbor up the road says he feels like he lives in a plane corridor, so many go over ... and that's just up the road... but not at my house.

The 10 pm plane comes in so low it looks like it's going to skim the ridge top. It's huge because it's so close, and very loud. Email me and I'll get you started with the data collection. You're most welcome!



Hey Doodah,

I just sent you a email with my location (Galax) and initials (RS) as you have ask, now could you say in what area of SW Va you are seeing chemtrails and at what alitude in feet you are seeing the chemtrails. Please share your data

keep looking up
Ron

[SteveX]

Ad.Johnson

I have entered this thread in an open honest fashion. I have declared my stance and stated my personal opinion from the outset. I have not stated, "chem trails do not exist." I remind all here that this fact has been overlooked.

My motives for entering this thread were based on the thought that proof positive was required for sceptics like myself to get on board. It seems some are confused, and I don't mean to be condescending, by the difference between a sceptic and a non-believer.

Johnson. In effect you are asking me, a self-confessed and open-minded sceptic, to prove my case. I am not the plaintiff here. It's your side of the argument that has brought the charges of chem trails. That's bye the bye as I'm not here to debate "if" or "not" chem trails exist. Again, this fact seems to be overlooked.

I'm opened minded to viewing any poignant and validated evidence. I am not persuaded by logbooks of fly byes, hear say or web links with outlandish, ineffective and plain wrong rhetoric. Neither am I persuaded by paranoia and or ignorance.

Gentlemen, I was fully aware, that upon entering this thread, that my stance could be conceived as controversial. My opinion of scepticism has not been changed thus far. My stance is as it was but I apologise for any misconceptions and failure on my part to avoid controversy. I wish you well with you endeavour’s and, as not to divert your inspiration before this thread slides further into one of honour, I respectfully withdraw.

Good luck.

[doodah]

Hey Doodah,

I just sent you a email with my location (Galax) and initials (RS) as you have ask, now could you say in what area of SW Va you are seeing chemtrails and at what alitude in feet you are seeing the chemtrails. Please share your data

keep looking up
Ron

Hi Ron... got and responded to your email. Thanks for that. I hope you'll join us.

I don't know how to measure the altitude in feet. All I can tell is how big the planes look. If I can see a very teeny, tiny plane that just looks like a small dot at the head of a chemtrail, I know that that one is higher up than another plane that looks bigger because it's lower. Is this accurate observation as to the sizes of those planes? No, but it's all I've got to work with. When the planes are still lower and I can see details, like wings and tails, they are at a lower altitude, but I have no idea what that would be in feet. Sorry... I know there are people who are more expert at measuring those things.

As I said before, nothing else other than chemtrail planes fly at these altitudes over my house. The big honker commercial jet at 10 pm comes in just to the north of me, not over my house, but it comes in so low and is so loud I can't possibly miss it. I set my watch by it.

Anyway, I am west of the Roanoke Valley but not as far west as Galax.

[doodah]

Mr. SteveX, if I may... you seem to be going around and around and around in the same circles. Please read Mr. AdJohnson's reply.

If you can contribute the data you say we don't have, then please do so. If not, don't keep pointing out that we don't have the data. We KNOW we don't have the data.

We've asked if you can finance the collecting of the data you say we don't have. Can you? If not... well, what more can you add here? Until we can find someone to finance the collecting of the data we need, which is the same things you keep pointing out, we're not going to sit on our hands. We will collect what we CAN.

This is a pro-active thread. If you can join us and contribute new info, or help us collect new into, do so. If not... well, enjoy yourself!

doodah

[hanesroadron2]

Hi Ron... got and responded to your email. Thanks for that. I hope you'll join us.

I don't know how to measure the altitude in feet. All I can tell is how big the planes look. If I can see a very teeny, tiny plane that just looks like a small dot at the head of a chemtrail, I know that that one is higher up than another plane that looks bigger because it's lower. Is this accurate observation as to the sizes of those planes? No, but it's all I've got to work with. When the planes are still lower and I can see details, like wings and tails, they are at a lower altitude, but I have no idea what that would be in feet. Sorry... I know there are people who are more expert at measuring those things.

As I said before, nothing else other than chemtrail planes fly at these altitudes over my house. The big honker commercial jet at 10 pm comes in just to the north of me, not over my house, but it comes in so low and is so loud I can't possibly miss it. I set my watch by it.

Anyway, I am west of the Roanoke Valley but not as far west as Galax.

Hey Doodah

I would like to help out the group as much as possible, And I will record each chemtrail I see and seen them to your watch email

But from what you described about where you see chemtrails ... IE .. between Roanoke (ROA) and Blacksburg (KBCB) at a undetermined low level with little/no normal traffic I have to ask one question

How do you explain Juliet two two (J22) and Victor one six (V16)??

Keep looking up
Ron

[Magamud]

I emailed you and will help for sure. I find it flooking ironic that society/people rest on the scientific model all the time. Like its some flipping holy scripture from the reality god. Like that **** is not corrupted and in the end used by the NWO to keep us in slavery and pull this shinanagin crapola on us. Like the Medical Model, Education, psychology, philosophy etc.... So break me off a piece and give me a break people/sheeple.

Same analogy with 911. Wheres the proof boo hoo hoo. Uh the proof is in your flipping eyes folks, same with the JFK assassination etc...

:smoke:

[doodah]

[QUOTE=hanesroadron2;237136]Hey Doodah

I would like to help out the group as much as possible, And I will record each chemtrail I see and seen them to your watch email

I appreciate your expression of interest. We're doing this in a coordinated way and it would be very helpful if you would use the same format we're using! I will send you our data collection information.

How do you explain Juliet two two (J22) and Victor one six (V16)??

I have no idea what this is, so cannot explain. Can you give more info?

[doodah]

Quoting Magamud... I emailed you and will help for sure.

Thanks, Magamud. I didn't realize that was you from the email I got. I'll send you our data collection info. As I said, we're not doing this randomly, but in a coordinated way so that we're all on the same page, so to speak.

P.S. You never answered as to why you think they're genetically manipulating us to move us into an alternate reality. Alternate reality... what does that mean? My whole "natural planet Earth" reality already feels awfully damn altered even as we speak!

To taomation: Thanks for the Scott Stevens reference. He IS one of the best... an actual meteorologist who's not afraid to talk about what we can clearly see with our own eyes!

And to swordsmith: Thanks again for your comments throughout! I like your level-headedness.

Doodah

[Tatiana]

Swordsmith - thank you for your kind words. Why was I lurking? Maybe it was because I had nothing to say (you guys are great here and I felt I couldn't offer anything worthwhile), maybe I felt a bit shy. There were many times I wanted to add something but did not have time to post - sometimes my life gets hectic. It does take time for me to put a post together and I am not too good with small talk to just jump in and write stuff, especially since I am new here.

Doodah - thank you as well! I applaud your initiative in starting this project! I have been quite upset at what is being done to this planet and it's inhabitants as much as I am unhappy over the inability of all too many people to grasp the magnitude of what is going on around them. Chemtrails is a perfect example of this: here is something which is literally going on pretty much on a daily basis, directly overhead and in your face, something which is a dramatic departure of what our skies used to look like not so long ago, yet the average person is oblivious to this. Even when you call their attention to it they cannot grasp it, or they think it is not important, or they refuse to consider it outright (fear?), or just shrug their shoulders, so what - it is very frustrating to say the least.

It doesn't bode well for us to get people on board about the myriad other alarming situations facing us today - if they can't understand what this in your face degradation of our environment means to all of us, how will they understand other more deviously disguised and hidden problems? You have no idea how many people I have talked to about this - it just does not register!

Taomation - I watched your video of the heavy metal content of rainwater in Australia - I wonder what the numbers would be in your neck of the woods doodah!

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Decided to go and see if I can find some of the test results that I remember from several years back from the Carnicom site and found out that he is in the process of changing over to the present new site. It seems not all of his pages have made the trek yet. Found a tiny link on the bottom of the new front page to the old site which is still there and what did I find - plenty of test results (some scanned original reports, photos of slides etc) and among other things this little gem, a report of unusual truck activity. While the observer admittedly did not get an ironclad admission that what was being transported was indeed chemtrail chemicals, on reading what the circumstances were, I was wondering what would necessitate such activity. Please read for yourself at this link:

http://www.carnicom.com/originalcontrails.htm

Scroll down to "Unusual Truck Activity" there is even a photo of the truck.

There is much useful info and links for your project, doodah, check them out! One that might be of interest to you is this Yahoo group which has been in existence since 1999! Maybe you can find more local participants!

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/chemtrailtrackingusa/

Hope you can make use of it!

[hanesroadron2]

[I]

How do you explain Juliet two two (J22) and Victor one six (V16)??

[COLOR="White"]I have no idea what this is, so cannot explain. Can you give more info?


:mfr_omg:Wow doodah, you really surprised me, I thought you had research the air traffic in the area but I was wrong

What do you mean "I have no idea what this (V16,J22) is, so cannot explain. Can you give more info?" Have you not looked into the what some of the air traffic is in your own area ? I assumed you at least exercise due diligence and looked into what air traffic was / is in the area you described. But it seems I have assumed wrong and you have not even looked to see what is around you

And since you do not recognize what I am speaking of, I have to ask

What knowledge base do have when it comes to what is or is not "normal' air traffic in SW VA?? Is just the assumptions that you have made as you looked up at planes miles away / thousands of feet up ??? or is more then that? if so explain please

Keep looking up
Ron

[doodah]

QUOTE hanesroadron... I thought you had research the air traffic in the area but I was wrong...Have you not looked into the what some of the air traffic is in your own area ? ... What knowledge base do have when it comes to what is or is not "normal' air traffic in SW VA??

At my brother's house about 15 miles from me, regularly scheduled commercial jets fly over and rattle his windows. That is regularly-scheduled aircraft, and he has accepted (but does not like) that that is "normal" for where he lives until they change the schedule or the flight path (which he wishes they would do). He doesn't know the names of the planes, but he can set his watch by them. This is "normal" air traffic above his house - "normal" for him. There are "normal" conditions at my house. There are probably "normal" conditions at your house too, in your town, in your area, whatever you've taken notice of.

And yes, you can study lists of what is normal traffic for your area, if you can get those, but it's not necessary to know that... unless you're coming from that authoritarian position, that "appeal to authority" position, that because I haven't researched that list of what is normal air traffic for here, I cannot on my own observe what is normal at my house? Ah... And the prevailing winds in this area always blow from the west? Except at my house, where the trees lean toward the west, which means the prevailing winds come from the east. I didn't have to research that. I can see the way the trees lean. I can check it with a compass. I can see the path of the sun.

This is very local, you see. Traffic (by whatever name, identification, schedule or flight path) varies from place to place. The jets that rattle my brother's windows are not producing chemtrails. You can tell that by looking at the sky while the windows are rattlilng.

I have a question.., why are these questions so important to you and what does "normal air traffic for SW VA" have to do with what you can see? Either they're making chemtrails or they're not.

[doodah]

Thank you very much, Tatania. I've read the Carnicom material over the years. There is lots of "independentt" testing, and I'd very much like to see some testing for this area, but as we've mentioned throughout this discussion, can anyone come up with the finances to support that? Swordsmith pointed out a group that is trying to raise money to do just that in another area of the country. We'll draw on that material for the "health effects" part of the PowerPOint presentation I hope to put together once we have our data. I haven't made that part of the research we're doing here (yet)...

First we want to document local activity, particularly with date-encoded photos and video... to be able to ask our local elected officials: What's this? Who's doing this? You can clearly see that our temperatures have been kept lower than normal this winter because they're CREATING cloud cover.

It's a very basic level to start with for public education activities, hopefully through churches, YMCA classes, maybe even schools if we can figure out how to do that.

The great divide - money - comes into play in this project, as in everything. Can you imagine me trying to write a grant proposal to study this? What do you think the chances are of getting a grant?

[Connecting with Sauce]

Ad.Johnson

I have entered this thread in an open honest fashion. I have declared my stance and stated my personal opinion from the outset. I have not stated, "chem trails do not exist." I remind all here that this fact has been overlooked.

My motives for entering this thread were based on the thought that proof positive was required for sceptics like myself to get on board. It seems some are confused, and I don't mean to be condescending, by the difference between a sceptic and a non-believer.

Johnson. In effect you are asking me, a self-confessed and open-minded sceptic, to prove my case. I am not the plaintiff here. It's your side of the argument that has brought the charges of chem trails. That's bye the bye as I'm not here to debate "if" or "not" chem trails exist. Again, this fact seems to be overlooked.

I'm opened minded to viewing any poignant and validated evidence. I am not persuaded by logbooks of fly byes, hear say or web links with outlandish, ineffective and plain wrong rhetoric. Neither am I persuaded by paranoia and or ignorance.

Gentlemen, I was fully aware, that upon entering this thread, that my stance could be conceived as controversial. My opinion of scepticism has not been changed thus far. My stance is as it was but I apologise for any misconceptions and failure on my part to avoid controversy. I wish you well with you endeavour’s and, as not to divert your inspiration before this thread slides further into one of honour, I respectfully withdraw.

Good luck.

I unlike Steve am a believer that they are spraying us!... but like Steve I'm frustrated that there is no solid experiemental data available which I can use to convince more people who are sceptic like Steve or complete non-believers of CS stuff... Steve is here because he is on a path like all of us... There is another thread with all CT links on it started by Seashore.

Do I have an answer? No... but I can't see proposed list convincing anyone if we don't get the data. What we need is more people with access to equipment which can measure the air particles or air filters which can be measured for contaminations in areas of heavy spraying...

Building air filtration filters would be a good start, maybe... but I guess these are just binned and renewed. Analysing these will be the expense...

Car filters maybe from cities?

Just some ideas...

[hanesroadron2]

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I have a question.., why are these questions so important to you and what does "normal air traffic for SW VA" have to do with what you can see? Either they're making chemtrails or they're not.


The reason i ask these questions is because you said and concluded there was / is not "normal" traffic in the area because in your opinion there is not and has not been hardly any traffic in the area you saw the chemtrails in

I was asking the questions so I could find out exactly WHERE you saw the chemtrails so I could see for myself exactly were you were talking about (I know of no areas in the Blacksburg / Roa area that has as little traffic as you describe) And also so I could ask people the have experience in what is and is not normal air traffic for the area if they have seen any unusual air traffic and / or chemtrails in the area you describe.

But from the description you gave as to where you saw the chemtrails.. well it can hardly be described as "little or no traffic" As a matter of fact, you description would put the chemtrails IN federal airways J22 and or V16 . And if so then, the other air traffic may have seen the chemtrail planes or the chemtrails

But you did give a very vague description as to where you saw the chemtrails so once again could you share you date as to exactly where you saw them .. you know name of town or lat / long and estimated altitude in feet

I know the area very well, I have the charts on from of me and I can tell exactly how close you are to nav aids, airways traffic ect ...


Keep looking up
Ron

[doodah]

Okay, Ron. I'm not going to give you my address, okay? I find it a little weird that you're so concerned about where I am and what flies here.

I have not asked you for your address, nor will I. You said you wanted to help collect chemtrail data and I sent you our collection info. If you have expressed sincere interest and want to join in, please do. At the end of each week all the members of the group will receive the compiled data from all the different locations, and then you will see what is flying in different places.

[hanesroadron2]

Okay, Ron. I'm not going to give you my address, okay? I find it a little weird that you're so concerned about where I am and what flies here.

I have not asked you for your address, nor will I. You said you wanted to help collect chemtrail data and I sent you our collection info. If you have expressed sincere interest and want to join in, please do. At the end of each week all the members of the group will receive the compiled data from all the different locations, and then you will see what is flying in different places.

I never ask for address, But you did ask me what town I was in and I gave it too you ... all i was asking was where you saw the chemtrails and you now refuse give location of chemtrails

I should have know you were not speaking the truth when say there is little traffic were you saw the trails but then you said you saw them between blacksburg and Roa. I now regreat email you ... and give WARNING TO others not to give info to those who do not give same ...

And if anyone thinks I am not telling the truth about the airway then just look at the air charts youself

Keep looking up
Ron

[doodah]

Well, I'm sorry, Ron, but there's no way I can tell you where I am without giving you coordinates of some kind. I'm not in a town. I'm out in the country, west of Roanoke. I have a post office address, but that's just the nearest town, and it's not where I am. The conditions I describe at my house would not be true at the post office! So I can't tell you where I am except by giving you my address, which I don't want to do. Even if I give you the name of my road, I've already said it's different for my neighbor up the road who has lots of regular air traffic over his house, and I don't have it over mine. It's very specific. That's all I can tell you.

But none of this is relevant to what we want to do, which is record the chemtrailing activity in our area. If you want to join, you are welcome.

[Magamud]

P.S. You never answered as to why you think they're genetically manipulating us to move us into an alternate reality. Alternate reality... what does that mean? My whole "natural planet Earth" reality already feels awfully damn altered even as we speak!

In essence we exist more in the realm of waveform, frequencies, resonance etc... Our body is attuned to the harmonics of the multiverse. If you change the frequency (GENETIC MANIPULATION) you change reality. AS you can SEE it is working rather well. WE have humans who are unable to feel this very simple concept much less out right deny it with severe condemnation. Not only is this position in epidemic proportions it is backed by an intellectual scientific vigor that would squash Socrates himself. The very Military we have is a manifestation of this. We invest all this energy unto the military and our society cant find shelter, food or reason. Our water, air and food is polluted to help motivate the turn of the dial to insure our slavery of denial. We are so far into the circles of hell that the long programming of self degradation has worn down our feelings to feel and SEE a healthy reference point of view. That station is the other way down the dial OR just in front of us. Orobourus....

[swordsmith]

Thanks for the nice comments, level headed, moi ? Hot headed at times , too and this link I am posting may challenge the level part, but thanks so much everyone, and it is good to have a conversation like this with some momentum. Steve X your respectful stepping aside was first class also.

One person's method for keeping chemtrail free in SE Arizona:
http://unveiling.18.forumer.com/index.php?showtopic=254
I have no opinion on this so far other than I am intrigued and will read more as time allows.

I found the above forum searching GLoP ( messy place/ easy to get sucked into) searching for the air grab thread only to find the project had been scrapped, too expensive to get off the ground :winksmiley02:. and the resident shill is claiming the credit for the idea.
I did find some interesting comments there I had not heard elsewhere mainly by poster Anka of the unveiling forum.
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message982568/pg1
(The Guy/ G house/ snake airlines are the resident shills/idiots there so ignore...)
I am not at ALL a woo-woo person, but there is something that has me intrigued by the top link posted above and connects to the photos of UFO's seen with chemtrails.One was posted here on the Camelot front page. For all the years I have been giving a great deal of my attention to this subject, there are always anomalous factors that make me really wonder just what and who it is we are dealing with re the whole chem pogram,( typo intended.) For years I have thought these are unmanned planes, and that's not far fetched at all.

For the record, though some people report success with orgone, and chembusters , I just don't buy it myself. One person I met on a small chem forum constructed one and was very glowing about it... at first.
I am very much for level headed observation and networking but just thought I would post the above links for those prepared to go off road.
Obvioulsy hard facts are of the utmost importance , that and opening peoples eyes, though that is the hardest part of all in my experience.

Mind control is just so deep seated in the average bear, no wonder that guy went on a rampage recently at walmart smashing 29 big tvs with a baseball bat.

I just want to add, excuse my off topicality , it's great you are doing the networking , it's a good time for it and more power to you.

[swordsmith]

Just found this, chemtrails over county Mayo, Ireland and no plane to be seen. Of course there is talk of cloaking procedures. I just do not know, what I do know is it must stop and as much knowledge as possible is required:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c1Lt2PbHa8&feature=player_embedded
I simply find it hard to understand how people can not even get to stage one of seeing these things for not being normal air traffic. Amazing.

[doodah]

Quoting swordsmith... Mind control is just so deep seated in the average bear, no wonder that guy went on a rampage recently at walmart smashing 29 big tvs with a baseball bat.

Going straight off topic first... I LOVE that guy! Whatever possessed him, I wish more people would just get fed up and go for it. TV... the perfect symbol to smash. Yes. Better than shooting kids in schools, I'd say.

I just want to add, it's great you are doing the networking , it's a good time for it and more power to you.

Thank you. We're still slowly getting off the ground. Amazing how many people "don't have time" to look up! Like it takes so much effort, like they don't walk to their car morning and evening or go out for lunch. I've had several people tell me they are "too busy" to look at the sky for 2 seconds. I guess it takes effort to remember to do it. I'm starting to contact farmers, gardeners, birdwatchers, pilots, local astronomers, naturalists... people who look at the sky already. I've just invited a very bright 10-year-old kid I know. This would make a great real-life science project for school kids.

the air grab thread... only to find the project had been scrapped, too expensive to get off the ground . :winksmiley02:

Why does this not surprise me? I'm thinking about applying for a grant! Doesn't that thought just make you smile?

I like your "Unveiling" reference a lot. Thanks for that. I can work with that, and will do so. Also, a quick look through the GLP thread and a reference there to a "V" point of origin... where I am I can't actually see that "V" but I'm pretty sure just imagining it will be good enough. I'll work with that too.

Thanks a lot!

[doodah]

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[doodah]

Magamud... That was very well said: the imbalances on this planet are the result of frequency shift. Of course... it would have to be! I sometimes get so caught up in 3-D reality thinking, I forget that frequency comes first. But obviously frequency can change, also, as peoples' eyes open (if they open), and some people actively seek that eye-opening because they can still FEEL that something just isn't right here. I guess there's a little hope in that.

We've gotten very, very off-shifted into the levels of hell as you say, but not totally. Some people still have some fight left in them.

[AscendingStarseed]

IIt's one thing to plot dates and times of aircraft so they can be ticked off against scheduled flights but air pollutant tests need to be done.

How much investigation have you done into chemtrails? There are plenty of tests that have been done and two of the main ingredients coming out of some of these chemtrails are aluminum and barium. I recently saw a video that discussed this very thing and can remember reading other studies on testing that's been done.

So this is not strictly conjecture, plenty of scientific research has been done testing pathogens these planes are releasing, to prove its true. US planes out of the Ukraine were forced down last year in Nigeria, under questioning the pilot broke down and spilled the beans on his American employers. They even got the planes with the aerosol tanks and sprayers.

Chemtrails are way beyond the point of speculation....

[THE eXchanger]

form a group; every time you see them
call into your local radio shows; congress offices, municipal offices,
airport, etc., (make a big list)
and, keep calling; until you get answers
(sometimes; they will actually stop in certain regions)

[doodah]

Thank you, ascending starseed (athough your comments were addressed to steveX) I'm very aware of the things you mention, and that material will eventually be drawn upon. There is lots of research out there, but nothing "official."

THE eXchanger, I'm dealing with the "real world" in my local area... a local meteorologist who "knows nothing" about chemtrails when I asked him; a newspaper that will not do a story on chemtrails even though I've asked and sent them photos; calls to TV stations that never get put on the air in their "public feedback" time segment; a population of people who are afraid to speak up about almost anything and who generally bow to authority as a matter of habit.

That's what it's like in this area. My goal is very basic -- COLLECT PROOF. Collect observed data, along with date-encoded photos and time lapse video with local landmarks in the photos/video so we can say: This is happening right here. What is this?

Of course, WE already KNOW what it is, but what we want is for some "elected officials" to make a public statement. Even Congress, who to my knowledge has NEVER made any public statements whatsoever although people have been writing them for years. And then we want some local public health action, such as "Chemtrail Alerts" being posted along with the daily weather, pollution alerts, allergy alerts, etc.

We're not even trying to deal with all the other questions - who is doing this, what planes are those, are they drones, is it the UN, are they trying to kill us all, etc. If we can, we'll get analysis of the chemicals being sprayed locally. But right now we're starting with the very basic kindergarten level because people aren't even awake enough to look up!

[pilgrim]

Oops!!

[swordsmith]

Doodah, I Like your style! You have to be tenacious as heck. All the telephoning and emailing never got me anywhere, I would say mainly everywhere is a challenge to get any interest. The so called real world is a pretty strong voo doo spell. One useful tactic is to play dumb when dealing with certain outlets, like local papers etc. For example you could try asking questions like where are they all going? is it military ? complaining why is there so much more air traffic?, and why have they changed the flight path allowing so many more planes etc etc. Kind of stoke the outrage, string them along and lead them to your discoveries. Problem is, very little outrage except sometimes among the ill. Look at increased MS ,asthma , arthritis, high blood pressure, morgellons . Maybe some people not of victim consciousness into self help might be interested in your information.

Educating the 10 year old is a very good idea. My partner is a teacher of 14 or so year olds, and they have very good discussions often. I have a lot of 20 year olds used to me from years of me talking about this stuff, and man, now they are really asking for info, which I m VERY happy to supply and get them to research themselves,( though they are a lazy bunch.) People my age are mostly pretty brain dead I am sorry to say. They are in fear which is like concrete in the mind .

Last night I spent in the ER to find out I had very high blood pressure. I felt very unwell at home and started to faint thinking it was related to an injury I had recently from falling off my chair, a real life rofl experience. Actually the hospital was rather scary in itself, starting with the vending machine full of crap under the television blaring toxic spew. Then someone inserted a spigot in my arm only to tell me how they did research for Glaxo Smith etc etc. and they may want to "POP" some drugs into the canula. ARGH! I got out of there asap. A hospital is no place for the mildly healthy.

I know from various alternative testing machines that I have been found to have elevated barium, a big culprit as far as high BP goes.
My health has been very much affected by all this crap, starting with the dental industry / mercury toxicity, add flouride barium and aluminium and hey presto, instant eugenics! But who needs 55 year olds with a brain anyway?

So, I am thinking will put out feelers for any alternative docs not completely alienated from the system who want to measure barium etc in the body then ask well geee where is it coming from???
I already know EVERY SINGLE PERSON my age or around 60 in my area has either high blood pressure or real problems with arthritis, and others having more severe problems like MS. I live in a small town by the sea ffs, where many of the people eat good food , have healthy lifestyles etc etc.
BUt geeze they expect to be ill by this age !

rant over, keep up the good work, lower expectations when neccessary and know we are winning , keep pushing the bar. It is not going to change all by itself and my heartfelt thanks go to all the peaceful warriors out there saying NO, even if it is only an internal thing.

[shybastid]

"Chemtrails spraying on my head DooDah Doodah"
"Chemtrails sprying on my head ALLL Doodah Day"
Sorry I could'nt resisit. I have that stupid song in my head now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LNlFxdQXGQ
This video shows chemtrails in Germany. CONFIRMED.
How toxic are they? Thats the big question. Not that their not real.
They "gridded" Northen California from Stockton to Sacremento east to Reno,Nevada last week. How do I know? I drove up from Southern California and "watched" the 3 planes zigzgging all morning on my way back to Lake Tahoe. When I got back up to Tahoe (elevation 6200 feet) I could see to Reno the same planes still zigzgging and completing the "grid."
StevenX, I have been complaining about chemtrails for years. This is'nt about deny ignorance untill proven otherwise. Their there. Take our word for it.
We want to know the health ramifications.
Anybody know who to complain to?
For THIS I would go out and petition signitures to stop it.
One problem..When I complain to some of my neihbors that we're getting sprayed again,they go "huh?"
Are we the only ones that care?

[doodah]

shybastid -- start your own data collection group like I'm doing. I can send you info about how we're going about it if you'd like.

My plan is to take the collected info and make a presentation at my next County Board of Supervisors meeting. Those are open to the public and anyone can speak and raise any topic that is relevant to local residents. Under the constitution of the State of Virginia, those local boards are mandated to look out for the health and welfare of the people in the county. If they see incontrovertible data, especially with photos and video taken locally (not in Germany), we can pound them into making a statement or taking some action. From there we can go to the governor. Who knows, maybe we'll make "the news." Once anything is acknowledged locally, it can't be ignored or swept under the rug anymore.

[doodah]

Swordsmith... sorry to hear all that! I just heard an alternative person on Coast to Coast talking about what to do about heavy metal poisoning. The website is toxinfreenow.com.

Green drinks - chlorophyll drinks you can make in your blender with organic plants like parsley and cilantro help move heavy metals out of the body.

Oxygenation was the other point she stressed, the need to breathe more deeply. She (can't recall her name, sorry...) said we are all shallow breathers and need to get more oxygen into our bodies. Laughter is a good oxygenator.

Also, there's a negative ion problem. With the pos/neg ion topic, negative ions are the good ones, positive ions are the bad ones. Chemtrails create a heavily positive ion environment. There are things one can do to create more negative ions in the home - beeswax candles was one she mentioned. Sounds like you already live in a good negative ion environment, by the sea, but maybe there's more you can do if you research it.

As part of our local health initiative connected with the chemtrail data we collect, this kind of information needs to get some publicity locally as well. It's not enough to just acknowledge that they're there. People need to know what kind of action they can take to help themselves if they so choose to.

I agree with you... absolutely stay away from a hospital and from a court of "law." My only rule in life!

[swordsmith]

more fuel to add to the fire , chemicals in rain water. I think this is a way to go locally, too.
(thanks AdJ for the link)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFn2c-1xmgg

thanks doodah for the kind words I will prevail ( LOL) even though laughing is what made me fall off my chair . Beeswax! I love it! I'd love to keep bees . I'm doing what I can alternatively, it's all been a great eye opener .

Anyhow, this rolling stone is gathering moss and I feel more positive than ever about exposure.

What I used to tell some people was that the airplanes seemed to be spraying something quite toxic causing all these health problems, and then spoon feed the next bit of info, oh dear, they don't seem to be regular aircraft etc etc. Most can't cope with too much info at once.

[shybastid]

Sounds good. I'm in. WE have to do something and get it on record.
My fake email address is shybastid29000@yahoo.com. Send me your email to that address,and I'll send you my real address.
It's time to make a move on this.
Thanks for your efforts.

[Shadowstalker]

i have a new handycan and getting a digital camara in soon, where can i send pix to help us all out.

[doodah]

Shadowstalker... you're in Texas. I'm in Virginia. shybastid is in California, I think. (?)

Are you interested in starting your own group, locally, in Texas? I mean, eventually all of this ties together... storms generated (started, steered, manmade) out west move east. As Scott Stevens says, you always work with what's coming next in manipulating the weather.

If our purpose is to make a dent locally, we need local data from where we are. I don't see how I can use Texas info to make a case in Virginia, but you could begin to build your own case if you want to take that on and become proactive in your area. Does that make sense?

I surely hate to turn down a handycan offer, but I don't know what I'd do with your footage.

Any suggestions?

Shybastid... that's fantastic! I'll email you and send you info on how we're going about this. I know it's not the only way to go about it, but as swordsmith says, you have to present the case slowly, and I agree with that. Too much info, too dramatic info, they just tune out. But if you can show them local data and say: Look, this is happening RIGHT HERE, then maybe they will at least look and take in the info.

[doodah]

I've just read that Matthew, of Matthew's Messages, agrees with me that the East coast blizzards were manmade. At least one person/entity agrees with me!

Shybastid is starting a Chemtrail Watch group in California. It's been a pleasure to share how we're going about it, and anybody else who wants to start a group can contact me also.

May there be love and light everywhere!

[shybastid]

Theres a new excellerated level of spraying this week. I'm talking LAYERS.:wall:
My kids are mad. They told me to do something about it.
I said I am.
See Doodah.. Good people.

[indakaz]

islandonlinenews.com has an amazing amount of chemtrail coverage with great videos, photos, testimony and even a very entertaining documentary film unlike any other! check it out here

http://www.islandonlinenews.com/-chemtrails.html

[Bobbie]

They were very heavy over my house today also. I'm taking lots of pics. I know we mostly lean towards these chemicals being harmful but don't have a lot of proof - and nobody's talking. I'm wondering if this might be a "white hat" project to create some kind of protective layer between us and the sun due to the possible impending harm that is expected-whatever that might be. I'm just thinking out loud and the idea probably isn't worth a grain of salt, but we can hope.

[doodah]

See Doodah.. Good people.

Absolutely! Bless you! Did you find the info I sent helpful? (Feedback would be welcomed.) Have you begun? I know someone else in Tahoe who writes me angry emails all the time about all the chemtrailing there. May I put him in touch with you?

[doodah]

Indakaz... thanks for the link. It might be a good guide for us when we've collected enough local data.

Bobbie... I'd love to believe they care about us enough to try to protect us, but I'm sorry to say that everything else I see more or less indicates they don't care, so it would be hard for me to believe there are good ends to this chemtrailing. The chemistry is so out of balance with the planet. If living things could benefit from the aluminum and barium instead of becoming heavy-metal poisoned... you know? Heavy metals don't naturally fall from the sky! They're found in the earth. It becomes another one of those old-world logics, a rationale that says: It's okay if we make everybody sick, we're saving the planet. I don't buy it, myself.

Nobody's talking... these local groups WILL be talking. We'll make as much of a fuss as we can once we have enough data to demand some answers. The problem is, nobody has been collecting chemtrailing data. You can get weather data for years back, but day to day chemtrail data in your area? No. That's what we're starting to collect in our local groups.

[Bobbie]

Bobbie... I'm sorry to say that everything else I see more or less indicates they don't care, so it would be hard for me to believe there are good ends to this chemtrailing. The chemistry is so out of balance with the planet. It's okay if we make everybody sick, we're saving the planet. I don't buy it, myself.
I'm agreeing with you here, I don't buy it either.

Nobody's talking... Yeah, I meant from the military side of the isle that no one is talking... the word is certainly getting out and I think I might help the cause by printing up some flyers with website links and YouTube videos. My neighbor is an elementary school teacher and she might let me put up something on the bulletin board. If we can get the kids interested, some good progress can be made as they are our future. these local groups WILL be talking. We'll make as much of a fuss as we can once we have enough data to demand some answers. The problem is, nobody has been collecting chemtrailing data. You can get weather data for years back, but day to day chemtrail data in your area? No. That's what we're starting to collect in our local groups.I'll be one of the ones collecting pics, etc. I'm wondering if the use of a high powered telescope would yield any identifying features of the airplanes.

[swordsmith]

please see this you-tube on toxins collected in rain water, it should leave you in no doubt that this is NOT a white hat escapade: I think this is a good easy technique for starters on why is it harmful and where is it coming from:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFn2c-1xmgg

There is also a meeting in Liverpool for anyone interested in your own local water analysis, although this talk does not appear to be geared towards chemtrails I am sure it could be of great use :

WEDNESDAY 24TH FEBRUARY, 2010
7.30pm for 8pm start.
“The official Government Poisoners Revisited”

A practical hands on presentation by the remarkable Lawrence Wright

Admittance: £3 on the door
Upstairs The Ship and Mitre
133 Dale St Liverpool
L2 2JH

In Southampton three quarters of all those polled said “NO” to fluoride in the water. Gordon Brown said “The Choice must be a local one”. Alan Johnson former Health Boss said “a rejection of fluoridation for Southampton would be a “blow” to his hopes to see it

become widespread across England, but accepted the decision must be made locally. So despite all this the Strategic Health Authority decides to go ahead anyway. It seems that fluoride is coming your way regardless of public opinion, especially as the new Health Secretary Andy Burnham is a former vice chairman of The Fluoridation Society - you really couldn’t make this up, could you! Lawrence Wright will be testing your tap water once more for those who missed the last presentation (bring your samples in a bottle to the meeting). He will also be demonstrating a portable reverse osmosis machine and covering some of the other hazards lurking in your tap water. Lawrence will also be bringing an expert on water filtration systems with him to help with the demonstrations & give expert advice

http://www.beyondknowledgeseminars.com/index.html

[Kundaflower]

Hey you all..

Please...does somebody know were to find film Toxic sky to download?

KF:wub2:

[doodah]

QUOTE=Bobbie;.... I think I might help the cause by printing up some flyers with website links and YouTube videos. My neighbor is an elementary school teacher and she might let me put up something on the bulletin board. If we can get the kids interested, some good progress can be made as they are our future.

I'll be one of the ones collecting pics, etc. I'm wondering if the use of a high powered telescope would yield any identifying features of the airplanes.

That's absolutely great, Bobbie, that you'd put together some flyers. I've been thinking of posting a notice about our local group at the health food store. I think they'd let me do that. That you would take even these small actions is SO much better than simply complaining, as I did for years, until the second blizzard hit us this winter (right... southwest Virginia!), with heavy chemtrailing creating clouds to help the blizzard along! After that I said "That's it. I'm done waiting for somebody else to take this on."

The telescope angle might be interesting. I've contacted a local astronomy group to see if anyone could give us night reports of chemtrailing (which they do here) and maybe telescope photos, as you've said. I haven't heard back from anyone yet.

And the mother of the 10 year old I invited to join has not given her permission for her son to look at the sky in his back yard. Very disappointing.

[doodah]

swordsmith... thanks for the link. I'm glad some people there have the sense to not mess with their water!

kundaflower... I don't have a link, but thanks for reminding us about that film.

[doodah]

Hello everyone,

We need more people in our group!! :wink2: If you know anyone in eastern Kentucky, Tennessee, West Virginia, or western North Carolina or Virginia, please have them contact me at ctwatch22@aol.com so we can broaden our information base.

Thanks!

doodah

Citizens' Chemtrail Watch ctwatch22@aol.com

[shybastid]

Lake Tahoe skies are the most beutiful I have ever seen. Yesterday and today were a perfect example.
Flawless.
Let's work on keeping it that way. And in your neihborhood.
If they Chemtrail to protect us from ultra violet rays for our benefit?
Show me the Science and who's in charge.
This is NOT global warming rhetoric.
Don't insult me.
I'm working with Avalon and their friends to share what I "onion peel."
On a local level.
Anybody else except Doodah?

[doodah]

Congratulations there shybastid. Clear skies! Wow. They're letting us have a few days of sun. The snow is starting to melt off the roof; but there's 70% chance of precip for next Monday, so I expect we'll be chemtrailed on Saturday and Sunday. Blecch.


Citizens' Chemtrail Watch ctwatch22@aol.com

[shybastid]

Have'nt been sprayed in over a week. Gosh..Feels and looks great.
Wife and kids are ALL gone for the weekend. YAYYYYY
I'm going to go spend my birthday with my dogs in the woods on a great clear day. Its a Kodak,Fuji,Canon kind day out there.
Alone....... OK My dogs ... Perfect

ciao

[doodah]

That sounds great, bastid. Enjoy. Clear skies were special for you, for your birthday! Enjoy!

They chemtrailed the bejesus out of us yesterday, Sunday, Feb. 21st. Parallel lines, Xs, planes going over every five minutes N,S,E, and W, obliterating our clear blue sky which started out with no clouds at all. All-day activity. I see the national weather map has rain for the whole East coast. Our reporters are spread over about a 300 mile radius here. All reported chemtrails in every location, so I suspect this larger system has been chemtrailed into being. We had 70% chance of rain in forecast for today, and are only getting a light misty rain after all that chemtrailing.

Now I wonder if the formulas they use are for specific purposes -- like maybe this one was to get all the aluminum, barium, and strontium into a light fog-like mist suspension so we'd be sure to breathe it in if we go outdoors. This misty stuff is hanging around all day so far.

They are truly sneaky bastids. :thumbdown:

[shybastid]

Is this where the term "acid raid" originated and was dismissed?
I have'nt heard that term in a long time.. You spray high up..it lingers..then rain falls.. It washes down to our sewers,our yards and houses, correct? Lungs?
You HAVE to regrid don't you? Or the grid is ineffective? correct?
Lets Do it again.
OK, Where do I ask for the schedule and who decides?

I'm workin on that answer in my neihborhood.

I have things working. No speculation,real facts with real govenment adgencies involved.

Hey..they all know what their doing..Let's get some additional information about it.
They work for US!! Righttttttttttttttttt

[doodah]

Oh sure they work for us. Duh.

Q to you, shybastid: I believe local weather is forecast based on long-range weather forecasts put out by the National Weather Service? Or is it NOAA? In any case, they must be part of the chemtrail plan, right? They must know what is planned so they can do those long-range forecasts.

Can you get any info from THEM? See if you can get a schedule. That would be like winning the lottery!

PS: "Acid rain" as I remember was first coined to described the acidic air pollution from the midwest (especially from copper smelting) that was carried east by winds and then fell to earth in rain and snow in New England, killing lakes, rivers, and forests. You're right, nobody talks about that anymore and I haven't researched to see if it's still an issue. If they capped off those smelters, maybe that particular thing got solved. I don't know. Good question, though. They don't talk about inflation anymore either! Doesn't mean it's not still happening every day.

[dagon]

just posted some photos we get hit all the time. the clouds are the same trail. doesnt look natural to me. taken a few weeks ago. right before we got near record rain fall.
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20326

[shybastid]

Ok.... So now we know it's not cloud seeding for snow.
http://thewinterlife.com/2009/08/18/tahoe-has-shut-down-the-cloud-seeding-program/

[shybastid]

http://www.rense.com/general83/chemm.htm
Good article..

And Oops..my bad.
http://www.mynews4.com/story.php?id=6925&n=140,131

[indakaz]

more chemtrails over Vancouver

http://www.islandonlinenews.com/

[swordsmith]

nasty salty metallic taste in the air here in Blighty. Loads of people sick, with no discernible physical symptoms other than extreme lethargy, mental fog and mild depression . ( Un) naturally , all fake skies here with the odd sunbeam trying to break through.

[indakaz]

islandonlinenews.com covers chemtrails covering you

http://www.islandonlinenews.com/

[Church]

Out of curiosity, is there a theory out there in the world that chemtrails are mostly about blotting out the sky, so we can't see certain celestial objects or events? I've been intuiting lately that the sicknesses are just "side effects" of the actual intended activity of blocking our visibility of certain things. Has anyone else thought this, or made reference to it?

[THE eXchanger]

every time you see them - call in; to your local politicans offices

and, follow up; and email to them, citing this, and, other threads online

that is a good way , to get news out there