Tarpley says Dalai Lama a CIA agent?

[Stardustaquarion]

Wow, interesting world we are living in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhXw-2aqJ3E

Very revealing :nono::wall:

[SteveX]

That was a pretty good character assignation. Always good to see both sides of a coin. I dare say a few clicks around the interweb would confirm or deny the majority of that report.

But who's game are we being played into and why?

[Seashore]

I have heard that before. I believe I read it in Nexus magazine.

[Stardustaquarion]

But who's game are we being played into and why?

I don't call it a game, I say that what was hidden is coming to light. One can not deny the feudalistic behaviour of the Dalai Lama when he was in Tibet, no one can. Still today there is a lot of pomp and ceremony, that is not a egalitarian behaviour but that is not what troubles me. It was the way things were in the 50's

What is shocking to know that a person that has pretended to be a "pacifist" had no reservations on being in the CIA payroll. The two are opposed

To be in the CIA payroll is to leave principles behind...I am speachless at the deception humanity has been submited:shocked:

[K626]

Wow, interesting world we are living in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhXw-2aqJ3E

Very revealing :nono::wall:


Doubt it.

[Seashore]

In my opinion, Webster Tarpley (http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18699) is one of the best sources of information.

[Harper]

Payroll or no payroll, CIA or not, you do not have to dig very deep to see that he behaves in exactly the same way as all male dominated, father knows best religions and not such a big jump from the mind controlled followers of this religion of jehovahs witnesses or whatever you want to mention.

where are the women, and on an even infantile level, what the hell is their karma if all of this happened to them. Little suspect if you ask me. All just humans playing their control games, albeit with a kinder face in front.

[burgundia]

it makes sense what Tarpley is saying...however I am not going to draw definite conclusions based on that....

[Seashore]

From http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=6530:

"Democratic Imperialism": Tibet, China, and the National Endowment for Democracy

by Michael Barker

Global Research, August 13, 2007

People familiar with Asian history will be aware that during Tibet’s popular uprising against their Chinese occupiers in 1959, his Holiness Tenzin Gyatso, the 14th Dalai Lama (then aged 23), escaped from his homeland of Tibet to live in exile in India. Subsequently, the Dalai Lama formed a Tibetan government-in-exile, and to this day the Dalai Lama and his government remain in exile. The Dalai Lama’s tireless efforts to draw international attention to the Tibetan cause received a welcome boost in 1989 when he was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, and since then the Dalai Lama has been able to demand sustained media attention (globally) to his ongoing non-violent struggle for a free Tibet. This part of Tibetan history is fairly uncontroversial, but a part of Tibet’s story that less people will be familiar with is Tibet’s historical links to the US’s Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)...

While in recent years far more information has been made available concerning the CIA’s violent linkages with Tibetan forces, to date only one article has examined the connection between Tibet’s current independence campaigners and an organization that maintains close ties with the CIA, the National Endowment for Democracy (NED).

… in the United States, the American Society for a Free Asia, a CIA front, energetically publicized the cause of Tibetan resistance, with the Dalai Lama’s eldest brother, Thubtan Norbu, playing an active role in that group. The Dalai Lama’s second-eldest brother, Gyalo Thondup, established an intelligence operation with the CIA in 1951 [although CIA aid was only formally established in 1956]. He later upgraded it into a CIA-trained guerrilla unit whose recruits parachuted back into Tibet.”[4]...


Conclusion

This article has demonstrated the close ties that exist between the Dalai Lama’s non-violent campaign for Tibetan independence and U.S. foreign policy elites who are actively supporting Tibetan causes through the NED...

[gita]

This is the position David Icke been taking for years and saying Dalai Lama is not who he seems! The plot thickens!:mfr_omg:

[Stardustaquarion]

It goes to show that the Nobel Peace Prizes are not worth the paper they ar written on:mad3:

Just like the honors given by the Queen every year, what can one expect!

This planet is a circus:yikes::insane::hypo:

[Seashore]

This planet is a circus:yikes::insane::hypo:

Well said.

[gita]

Every one says that this is a prison planet - my observation is that it's more like a criminal planet!!:nono:

[Stardustaquarion]

Every one says that this is a prison planet - my observation is that it's more like a criminal planet!!:nono:

Just like superman's bizarre one all is up side down!:shocked:

[kriya]

I don't call it a game, I say that what was hidden is coming to light. One can not deny the feudalistic behaviour of the Dalai Lama when he was in Tibet, no one can. Still today there is a lot of pomp and ceremony, that is not a egalitarian behaviour but that is not what troubles me. It was the way things were in the 50's

What is shocking to know that a person that has pretended to be a "pacifist" had no reservations on being in the CIA payroll. The two are opposed

To be in the CIA payroll is to leave principles behind...I am speachless at the deception humanity has been submited:shocked:

This is a complete hatchet job:thumbdown: The Dalai Lama has done much to try an open Tibet up and release it from its fuedal bonds in the last fifty years not to mention his tireless campaign on the behalf women. So what if he took money from the CIA.....China invades his country, destroys his religion, rapes and kills his nuns and tortures monks.

Love,

Kriya

[gita]

This is a complete hatchet job:thumbdown: The Dalai Lama has done much to try an open Tibet up and release it from its fuedal bonds in the last fifty years not to mention his tireless campaign on the behalf women. So what if he took money from the CIA.....China invades his country, destroys his religion, rapes and kills his nuns and tortures monks.

Love,

Kriya

Good article here - The True Face Of The Dalai Lama

http://www.rense.com/general81/faeeof.htm

Also look up David Icke's view on it as he goes into much detail with evidence. It's hard to swallow but the truth often is.

[SteveX]

This planet is a circus:yikes::insane::hypo:
:wink2: and a good juggle relieves the stress

[enemyofNWO]

This is a complete hatchet job:thumbdown: The Dalai Lama has done much to try an open Tibet up and release it from its fuedal bonds in the last fifty years not to mention his tireless campaign on the behalf women. So what if he took money from the CIA.....China invades his country, destroys his religion, rapes and kills his nuns and tortures monks.

Love,

Kriya

I know this is a shock to many people ensnared by religions . But the facts are that when the Dalai Lama was in control , Tibet was one of the most desperate poor places on the faces of the world . The Dalai Lama was an absolute religious ruler on top a religious cast system .
The destruction of religion performed by the Chinese government is quite OK by me . Religions only divide humans that's what I learned so far in my lifetime . Torture is also practiced in the west . Have you heard of Guantanamo bay , Abu Ghraib in Iraq , the Abu Omar case and "extraordinary rendition ? I am no justifying torture . I am just saying that even so called "democracies " do it in a surreptitious way . Sorry for the dupes in Tibet , but I think the population is much better off under Chinese occupation .

[kriya]

Good article here - The True Face Of The Dalai Lama

http://www.rense.com/general81/faeeof.htm

Also look up David Icke's view on it as he goes into much detail with evidence. It's hard to swallow but the truth often is.


Sorry gita, but that reads like Chinese propaganda to me. And its laughable to call the Chinese occupation of Tibet a revolution. How can you have a revolution in someone elses country?

The Dalai Lama himself has praised the Chinese for modernising Tibet, but he is seeking a democracy for his homeland not a communist state of China.

What really upsets me is the fact that China is allowed to get away with its occupation and the atrocities that it has inflicted on the Tibetian people, and the world just looks on.:mad3:

Love,

Kriya

[Mercuriel]

Well - Hes a Known Club of 300 Member so its the same Group - Just a different Uniform...

I used to wonder why He never got anything concrete done...

Tah Dah - Theres Your answer...

I have also been told by a Trusted Source that Hes also an Agent of Maitreya or at the very least Forces loyal to Shamballah...

:trumpet:

[Stardustaquarion]

:wink2: and a good juggle relieves the stress

:thumb_yello:

[pedro m.b.]

i hope that´s not true, dalai lama represents a culture of non violence to all living beings, china leaders on the other side aproach tibete and others with aggression and killing. join in or die.

pedro

[K626]

What ridiculous assertions these are. :lol3: Even Icke (whom I like a lot) would be wrong if he's suggesting the DL is working for the CIA. If the free Tibet fund is getting money from the Americans that's a whole other thing.

[kriya]

I know this is a shock to many people ensnared by religions . But the facts are that when the Dalai Lama was in control , Tibet was one of the most desperate poor places on the faces of the world . The Dalai Lama was an absolute religious ruler on top a religious cast system .
The destruction of religion performed by the Chinese government is quite OK by me . Religions only divide humans that's what I learned so far in my lifetime . Torture is also practiced in the west . Have you heard of Guantanamo bay , Abu Ghraib in Iraq , the Abu Omar case and "extraordinary rendition ? I am no justifying torture . I am just saying that even so called "democracies " do it in a surreptitious way . Sorry for the dupes in Tibet , but I think the population is much better off under Chinese occupation .

Well I'm not ensared by religion. And yes Tibet was in the dark ages, but surely they have the right to self determination. The degradation of humanity is wrong no matter what side of the political system you may be on.

[gita]

Sorry gita, but that reads like Chinese propaganda to me. And its laughable to call the Chinese occupation of Tibet a revolution. How can you have a revolution in someone elses country?

The Dalai Lama himself has praised the Chinese for modernising Tibet, but he is seeking a democracy for his homeland not a communist state of China.

What really upsets me is the fact that China is allowed to get away with its occupation and the atrocities that it has inflicted on the Tibetian people, and the world just looks on.:mad3:

Love,

Kriya

I don’t agree with occupation of any country by anyone but just look at the rest of the world. I’m not defending China but look at the so called super powers of the world committing atrocities all over the world. They are all as bad as each other but it’s designed that way.

My point was the Dalai Lama is not necessarily what he pertains to be. I myself was shocked when I came across some undesirable info about him and found it hard to believe but after much research, I’m forced to digest the info. I’ve come to a conclusion that all religions are there to control the masses and keep people in fear no matter how sweet and innocent their leaders are and what good acts they may be performing on the surface to prim their image – there’s always a sinister agenda behind it. I’m sure if Dalai Lama didn’t play ball with the PTB, then he would have long been assassinated. Just my view.

[Stardustaquarion]

Well I'm not ensared by religion. And yes Tibet was in the dark ages, but surely they have the right to self determination. The degradation of humanity is wrong no matter what side of political system you may be on.

Well that is the question I think. People in Tibet did not had any, they were under a religious monarchy and had very archaic laws which included public mutilations, they had no possibility of "self determination"

I think that if there was not a stargate in Tibet, the chinese would have left them on their own. I don't think communism is an answer either but I am really shocked at the Dalai Lama's dealings with the CIA, it is undefendable

Love, peace is not personal I am just shocked!

[K626]

Well - Hes a Known Club of 300 Member so its the same Group - Just a different Uniform...

I used to wonder why He never got anything concrete done...

Tah Dah - Theres Your answer...

I have also been told by a Trusted Source that Hes also an Agent of Maitreya or at the very least Forces loyal to Shamballah...

:trumpet:

:lol3:

[K626]

:lol3:

The DL turned to all that could help in their fight against the Chinese it wasn't a traumatic toss up between getting a Nintendo or a Sega. Love the way people are judging Tibet....Like the west is the source of all good or something...:lol3:

[Mercuriel]

The DL turned to all that could help in their fight against the Chinese it wasn't a traumatic toss up between getting a Nintendo or a Sega. Love the way people are judging Tibet....Like the west is the source of all good or something...:lol3:

Now - Now - Please don't go putting words in anyone's Mouth or Polarizing My Post here. That was not said at all by Me. It was simply a Statement. We ALL have fault here. Its realizing that and that alone which will get Us up out of this quagmire We are ALL currently in...

Nothing else will. Its time to come out of the Sandbox...

:winksmiley02:

[K626]

Now - Now - Please don't go putting words in anyone's Mouth or Polarizing My Post here. That was not said at all by Me. It was simply a Statement. We ALL have fault here. Its realizing that and that alone which will get Us up out of this quagmire We are ALL currently in...

Nothing else will. Its time to come out of the Sandbox...

:winksmiley02:

WT is just ****ting himself that the Chinese will start cashing their US bonds and therefore but a downer on him and his fellow travellers.

[Stardustaquarion]

The DL turned to all that could help in their fight against the Chinese it wasn't a traumatic toss up between getting a Nintendo or a Sega. Love the way people are judging Tibet....Like the west is the source of all good or something...:lol3:

I am not judging Tibet, I am stunned at the deception that is all. My heart has always been with Tibet and for many years I dreamt of being able to go there

It is not about east and west, it is about the elites everywhere and humanity and even then, I feel the best approach is to have compassion for the ones that have forgo their love and souls in exchange for power and money

Love

[droid56]

I trust China when it comes to the Dalai Lama. Don't you? He is obviously a subversive agent of discord.

If you ever get to China, just google Tibet and the massacre of a million Tibetans by Chinese government troops, and find out the real truth.

Oh , right, the Chinese government censors that info.

The Dalai Lama is a good man, even if he was originally a product of a feudal system. Time changes many things, even systems of government.

His message is that compassion, not desire, should guide us. Sounds like a good message to me.

[Humble Janitor]

In my opinion, Webster Tarpley (http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18699) is one of the best sources of information.

If he is, how come we're just hearing about him?

Convenient? For whom?

[eleni]

I have heard that before. I believe I read it in Nexus magazine.

Yup- it was that 2 part article they had on Tibetan Buddhism's dark side, no?

[no caste]

All I know about Tibet is that a Canadian company, Bombardier, built the difficult high country train track from China to there. And, the monks slaughtered in the 40s and 50s. And, the theocratic leadership is petering out, maybe with the culture (China's into assimilation, which the rail line helps out with a LOT), and that is sad.

There was another thread about what happened to the little kid who was nurtured to replace the Dalai Lama: the young man (now) wants to be a film maker instead, kind of the last station with the Dalai Lama. I wonder how religious leadership will work out there, if at all.

Dalai Lama calls for end to (his) divine rule, touts democracy
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=14872&highlight=dalai+lama

I would think the USA has its reasons, not altruistic, to support a close-to-China network.

[Mercuriel]

Simply put - Religion is Control. Spirituality without Religion is Freedom in God-Consciousness...

If that isn't understood first - The rest is futile...

:trumpet:

[SteveX]

Simply put - Religion is Control. Spirituality without Religion is Freedom in God-Consciousness...

If that isn't understood first - The rest is futile...

:trumpet:

Right on :thumb_yello:

[synchronistic9]

Webster Tarpley says
that CIA funded dalai Lama and is an asset and on the payroll. LOL! Dalai
Lama came to austin a few years back and I blew it off. Some of my
friends went, but who cares, it looks like a circus to me! Id rather
learn qi gong than go see this guy! and tibet pre invasion wasnt no shangrala. If you were low class and spoke out, they monks mess you up beat you down then say you deserved it because you have bad karma, LOLOLOL!

[Stardustaquarion]

The Dalai Lama is a good man, even if he was originally a product of a feudal system. Time changes many things, even systems of government.

His message is that compassion, not desire, should guide us. Sounds like a good message to me.

Well the Pope is also a "good man" at the eyes of Catholics. Religion is just a blindfold that mesmerize us with its ritual and apparent "knowledge". Who know how many treasures that could help us understand who we are and why are we here are in the hands of the Dalai Lama safely tucked away for "safe keeping" from us the sheeple

Every body are good man and women when we chose not to look to their darker sides, working with the criminals and professional assassines of the CIA does not make a man Bad? really?

Interesting

[truth and integrity]

Originally [posted by Stardustaquarion
Well the Pope is also a "good man" at the eyes of Catholics. Religion is just a blindfold that mesmerize us with its ritual and apparent "knowledge". Who know how many treasures that could help us understand who we are and why are we here are in the hands of the Dalai Lama safely tucked away for "safe keeping" from us the sheeple



That is so true… People escape Catholic dogma to follow Buddhist or Hindu dogma. Ironically, those who follow Buddhist or Hindu dogma perceive themselves as awaken.:lol3:

Best regards,

[Clarityofawareness]

Few years ago Brian, from Briansdreams.com had a dream that said the Dalai Lama was born in Canada, among other things.

Kevin

[K626]

That is so true… People escape Catholic dogma to follow Buddhist or Hindu dogma. Ironically, those who follow Buddhist or Hindu dogma perceive themselves as awaken.:lol3:

Best regards,

Buddhism and Catholacism are worlds apart.

Tarpley's real agenda is against Obama and he's just using the DL to lubricate his story.

You should also be aware there is a real campaign to take down all religions (not just islam) to make way.....

[swordsmith]

....cough cough , mother theresa , too . All the pedestals are crumbling. Some people still love Bono and Oprah .
Tarpley is a good source and LOTS of people have heard of him. He exposed Obama's connection with Breszinski early on.

sorry for the interrupton, carry on and don't forget power corrupts. Thats about it.

[K626]

....cough cough , mother theresa , too . All the pedestals are crumbling. Some people still love Bono and Oprah .
Tarpley is a good source and LOTS of people have heard of him. He exposed Obama's connection with Breszinski early on.

sorry for the interrupton, carry on and don't forget power corrupts. Thats about it.

Chomsky exposed Obama and Breszinki about 2 years ahead of Tarpley.

[truth and integrity]

Originally posted byK626
Tarpley's real agenda is against Obama and he's just using the DL to lubricate his story.
You should also be aware there is a real campaign to take down all religions (not just islam) to make way.....


This is not about Tarpley and Obama. There is a bigger game that is unfolding. I have tried to post a few images but it did not work. If you look at Tibetan flag and Obama’s Democratic National Convention you will be surprised. Symbols speak lauder than words.

Best regards,

[swordsmith]

Chumpsky is a gatekeeper for intellectuals who might get further if less entranced by his verbiage. look at his 911 stance. not that it's a competition.

[K626]

Chumpsky is a gatekeeper for intellectuals who might get further if less entranced by his verbiage. look at his 911 stance. not that it's a competition.

Threads that unpack like this always make me cringe. Like CIA ain't all bad, they have also done some good things same with religion etc...Both Chomper and Tarty get things right and wrong.

Peace.

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

i hope that´s not true, dalai lama represents a culture of non violence to all living beings, china leaders on the other side aproach tibete and others with aggression and killing. join in or die.

pedro i t5hought that also until i saw old footage of tibetan festivals were large monks were doing crowd control with big sticks.. didnt look very non violent to me. i have no opinion on the man myslef but when he went to meet george bush junior during the free tibet pre olympic stuff i thought it odd.

[Stardustaquarion]

Buddhism and Catholacism are worlds apart.

Tarpley's real agenda is against Obama and he's just using the DL to lubricate his story.

You should also be aware there is a real campaign to take down all religions (not just islam) to make way.....

I understand what you say but we do not need religions to be with our creator we are part of our creator and don't need any external authority to tell me how to comune with myself or how to do it

I choose freedom from thought manipulators, from those that say that being mortal is ok, from those that say that I should comform and obey. Boddhism is not different than any other religion

All religions workship satan and lucifer including buddhism, if only you know what goes on behind the scenes

My personal issue here is not about religion, is about a man that had pretended to be a pacifist when at the same time taking money from the CIA and working with the CIA...that for me says its all!


Cheers

[morguana]

http://www.writespirit.net/authors/dalai_lama/dalai-lama-01.jpg

the tibetan monks can not become lamas unless they go to the chinese and apply! the tibetan monks and nuns have been killed, raped and beaten, the dali lama is a beautiful man, who has tried to ensure that his people have the right to continue to live under tibetan law.......dont you think that if the cia gave you a hand in trying to keep your people free (rather than be taken over by the chinese), you would do the same. i know i would, sadly though the west has turned away from helping the tibetans, so they are continuously persecuted and made to bow down to chinese rule. i support the dali lama with all my heart, and i hope he continues to meet with heads of state, at least he has something interesting and worth while to say.
he is just being human
m x

[Stardustaquarion]

http://www.writespirit.net/authors/dalai_lama/dalai-lama-01.jpg

the tibetan monks can not become lamas unless they go to the chinese and apply! the tibetan monks and nuns have been killed, raped and beaten, the dali lama is a beautiful man, who has tried to ensure that his people have the right to continue to live under tibetan law.......dont you think that if the cia gave you a hand in trying to keep your people free (rather than be taken over by the chinese), you would do the same. i know i would, sadly though the west has turned away from helping the tibetans, so they are continuously persecuted and made to bow down to chinese rule. i support the dali lama with all my heart, and i hope he continues to meet with heads of state, at least he has something interesting and worth while to say.
he is just being human
m x

Make deals with the devil? how does that help you? The Dalai Lama could have changed his regime and find a win win situation for his people but he chose to help the rich instead and make deals with the slave masters...

No Morguana there are things a person does not do even if the price is one's life for what is a life when we are selling our souls and spirits to the very essence that is helping to destroy us?

The implications are deep, and I will say again, if only people knew what it means

A good man do not do these things, Ghandi would not have done this....

Pacifists don't do deals with slave masters, terrorists and assasins...the two do not go together

Truth does not work with lies

I am gutted cos I was naive enough to believe that he was honest but deep inside the pomp and circumstance worried me, now I know why

Love

[K626]

Make deals with the devil? how does that help you? The Dalai Lama could have changed his regime and find a win win situation for his people but he chose to help the rich instead and make deals with the slave masters...

No Morguana there are things a person does not do even if the price is one's life for what is a life when we are selling our souls and spirits to the very essence that is helping to destroy us?

The implications are deep, and I will say again, if only people knew what it means

A good man do not do these things, Ghandi would not have done this....

Pacifists don't do deals with slave masters, terrorists and assasins...the two do not go together

Truth does not work with lies

I am gutted cos I was naive enough to believe that he was honest but deep inside the pomp and circumstance worried me, now I know why

Love

How has he done deals with the devil?

[morguana]

ahhhh stardust, you see i guess thats where we differ, i would sell my soul in order to save my people. right or wrong, there is never absolutes, there is only doing the best with the tools we have or are presented at the time. there is a saying in psychotherapy.......we can only be good enough mothers or fathers (klien)
m x

[K626]

So let me get this straight we think the DL is in the CIA's pocket cause Tarpley says so....Hilarious. :original:

[morguana]

So let me get this straight we think the DL is in the CIA's pocket cause Tarpley says so....Hilarious. :original:

i agree, just another person out to discreadit one of the worlds most beautiful people.........long live the dali lama

m x

[Anchor]

Make deals with the devil? how does that help you? The Dalai Lama could have changed his regime and find a win win situation for his people but he chose to help the rich instead and make deals with the slave masters...

No Morguana there are things a person does not do even if the price is one's life for what is a life when we are selling our souls and spirits to the very essence that is helping to destroy us?

The implications are deep, and I will say again, if only people knew what it means

A good man do not do these things, Ghandi would not have done this....

Pacifists don't do deals with slave masters, terrorists and assasins...the two do not go together

Truth does not work with lies

I am gutted cos I was naive enough to believe that he was honest but deep inside the pomp and circumstance worried me, now I know why

I doubt very much if you, Icke or anyone else for that matter, have the first clue of the kind of hard decisions he had to make and the stakes involved and the supreme pressures on his actions - with consequences far beyond his own body and soul. Exile cant have been easy - and if he was in the CIA's pocket - what exactly does he have to show for it?

Show me one public statement of the Dalai Lama that is not wise, selfless and inspiring.

A..

[gita]

ahhhh stardust, you see i guess thats where we differ, i would sell my soul in order to save my people. right or wrong, there is never absolutes, there is only doing the best with the tools we have or are presented at the time. there is a saying in psychotherapy.......we can only be good enough mothers or fathers (klien)
m x

To me, selling your soul is the same as selling God! I will never sell God for no one. However, I’m willing to die to save others – but no one better be touching my soul! :naughty:

Reluctantly, I’m with Stardust on this one. I say reluctantly, as I’m still shocked about info about Dali that I discovered a few years ago – I didn’t want it to be so but we don’t always get what we want – yet we do get what we need and sometimes that can be something so shocking for our belief system to crack and be revaluated again. Each to their own though. We all get there eventually – some quicker than others!

Much peace x

[gita]

Show me one public statement of the Dalai Lama that is not wise, selfless and inspiring.

A..



Public statement is just that – public statement. What really goes on behind the scenes away from the public is another matter though. Who really knows??

[K626]

It was the same CIA that saved lives in Bosnia and Kosovo. Things aren't as comfortable and black and white as some want.

K.

[morguana]

I doubt very much if you, Icke or anyone else for that matter, have the first clue of the kind of hard decisions he had to make and the stakes involved and the supreme pressures on his actions - with consequences far beyond his own body and soul. Exile cant have been easy - and if he was in the CIA's pocket - what exactly does he have to show for it?

Show me one public statement of the Dalai Lama that is not wise, selfless and inspiring.

A..

:thumb_yello: thats one of the best posts on this thread anchor, it is all to easy and sit judging something without all of the facts. we have never been in the position where our people are murdered and beaten, by an invading country. the dali lama is an in to in inspiration to humanity, i wish him peace and love
m x

[swordsmith]

no, it goes much deeper than that. A few years ago on another forum there was an in depth investigation into the DL and it was not good, no mention of Tarpley. Tibet has always had a very elitist power structure (the pre buddhist Bon religion is something else also btw.) There is much to be gleaned on the DL if anyone wans to dig.

Some people think the political situation in Tibet had to happen to release certain energies and break the gridlock and secrecy of what was an unchallenged power structure.

I don't personally think there is a great deal of difference between this great costume religion and Catholicism. It's a patriarchal hierarchy where little boys are basically bought and taken away from their families. What does THAT do to a child's psychology? I don't think the buddhist religion IS a good enough mother or father ( and that was Winnicot I think, no offense Morgana it's great to hear your opinion)

Some of us are DONE with religion and that's all I'm going to say. Think what you want. It's a free world, er, well, not yet, but to me exposure of all false heirarchy is what will make it so, and of course the DL is human, that was never the issue, was it?
He might really appreciate having that pedastel knocked out from under him
and getting more down to earth.
Big changes afoot and some of it is going to challenge everything and everyone anyone thought walked a little closer to god than we do ourselves .

I am very much looking forward to it.

[kriya]

The tibetans believe him to be a living God..

Who are we to impose our cultural relativism on a people or nation....

The more powerful one becomes the more enemies one makes.....

Please stop bashing the Dalai Lama........

[Stardustaquarion]

ahhhh stardust, you see i guess thats where we differ, i would sell my soul in order to save my people. right or wrong, there is never absolutes, there is only doing the best with the tools we have or are presented at the time. there is a saying in psychotherapy.......we can only be good enough mothers or fathers (klien)
m x

Well I am happy to agree to disagree. We are sovereing and the rescuer complex does favours to no one

People does not need goverments, religions, or boses they just need to become resposible for themselves and people like the Dalai Lama or the Pope or any Queen or president just get in the way

I take it Morguana that you have never had a one to one with the Dalai Lama? or have any friend that has?

Love

[Stardustaquarion]

I doubt very much if you, Icke or anyone else for that matter, have the first clue of the kind of hard decisions he had to make and the stakes involved and the supreme pressures on his actions - with consequences far beyond his own body and soul. Exile cant have been easy - and if he was in the CIA's pocket - what exactly does he have to show for it?

Show me one public statement of the Dalai Lama that is not wise, selfless and inspiring.

A..

Aren't most official statements beautifully assembled? But if words are not followed by actions and truth who cares about them? they are like paper money worthless:lmfao:

[morguana]

Well I am happy to agree to disagree. We are sovereing and the rescuer complex does favours to no one

People does not need goverments, religions, or boses they just need to become resposible for themselves and people like the Dalai Lama or the Pope or any Queen or president just get in the way

I take it Morguana that you have never had a one to one with the Dalai Lama? or have any friend that has?

Love

i have a family friend (runs a meditation group that my mum and i go to) who does lots for the local tibetan buddhist monistary (cooks for them when they go on retreat), and yes she has had a couple of chats with him one to one, he gave her a blessed candle for me, i lit it for a haiti meditation. so my answere is yes

m x

[Harper]

Its so disappointing to see that there are folks who still dont see all religion, by its very nature is corrupt, because it involves leaders and followers and not just being the person you were born to be. This is an endless debate otherwise, of, I have a nicer religion than you. On this earth there is something for everyone, if you want to be fundamental you have choose the door on the left and if you want exactly the same thing but dressed in different robes and wearing a smile you can choose door number2.

"the masochist says hit me, the sadist says no” hehehehe

[Stardustaquarion]

The tibetans believe him to be a living God..

Who are we to impose our cultural relativism on a people or nation....

The more powerful one becomes the more enemies one makes.....

Please stop bashing the Dalai Lama........

I don't believe in sacred cows...if DL is a living God he has shown little power, specially because he has to depend on the CIA dirty money's to survive...that is not very God like is it?

I am totally discusted with people lieying and pretending to be "holy and sanctly" when they are not, specially the ones that are manipulating peoples minds, souls and spirits, it is truly outrageous! :mad3:

How much more do we need to realize that out power is in our self sovereignity and that it is only because we are looking outside that we are being deceived?

Love

[Stardustaquarion]

i have a family friend (runs a meditation group that my mum and i go to) who does lots for the local tibetan buddhist monistary (cooks for them when they go on retreat), and yes she has had a couple of chats with him one to one, he gave her a blessed candle for me, i lit it for a haiti meditation. so my answere is yes

m x

So you do not know the Dalai Lama then...you are just adoring an image like a film star...an icon...not the real man...just the public image that makes you feel safe and gives you hope...

Love

[gita]

The tibetans believe him to be a living God..

Who are we to impose our cultural relativism on a people or nation....

The more powerful one becomes the more enemies one makes.....

Please stop bashing the Dalai Lama........



I totally respect other people’s belief and don’t consider anyone here bashing DL. There are those of us here who have done extensive research and have come to our own conclusions and we should be allowed to express that on PA of all places. I agree that hearing something you don’t like can feel unpleasant but silencing others who do not share the same belief is a no no. :nono::nono:

I, myself used to be a fan of DL but my belief system had to be completely rearranged in light of some info. It was not easy but it did help me to grow on my spiritual path which I’m grateful for.

True leaders are not those with the most followers but those who make most leaders of others.

Peace.

[morguana]

Words of Truth

A Prayer Composed by:
His Holiness Tenzin Gyatso The Fourteenth Dalai Lama of Tibet

Honoring and Invoking the Great Compassion
of the Three Jewels; the Buddha, the Teachings,
and the Spiritual Community

O Buddhas, Bodhisattvas, and disciples
of the past, present, and future:
Having remarkable qualities
Immeasurably vast as the ocean,
Who regard all helpless sentient beings
as your only child;
Please consider the truth of my anguished pleas.

Buddha's full teachings dispel the pain of worldly
existence and self-oriented peace;
May they flourish, spreading prosperity and happiness through-
out this spacious world.
O holders of the Dharma: scholars
and realized practitioners;
May your ten fold virtuous practice prevail.

Humble sentient beings, tormented
by sufferings without cease,
Completely suppressed by seemingly endless
and terribly intense, negative deeds,
May all their fears from unbearable war, famine,
and disease be pacified,
To freely breathe an ocean of happiness and well-being.
And particularly the pious people
of the Land of Snows who, through various means,
Are mercilessly destroyed by barbaric hordes
on the side of darkness,
Kindly let the power of your compassion arise,
To quickly stem the flow of blood and tears.

Those unrelentingly cruel ones, objects of compassion,
Maddened by delusion's evils,
wantonly destroy themselves and others;
May they achieve the eye of wisdom,
knowing what must be done and undone,
And abide in the glory of friendship and love.

May this heartfelt wish of total freedom for all Tibet,
Which has been awaited for a long time,
be spontaneously fulfilled;
Please grant soon the good fortune to enjoy
The happy celebration of spiritual with temporal rule.

O protector Chenrezig, compassionately care for
Those who have undergone myriad hardships,
Completely sacrificing their most cherished lives,
bodies, and wealth,
For the sake of the teachings, practitioners,
people, and nation.

Thus, the protector Chenrezig made vast prayers
Before the Buddhas and Bodhisativas
To fully embrace the Land of Snows;
May the good results of these prayers now quickly appear.
By the profound interdependence of emptiness
and relative forms,
Together with the force of great compassion
in the Three Jewels and their Words of Truth,
And through the power
of the infallible law of actions and their fruits,
May this truthful prayer be unhindered
and quickly fulfilled.


This prayer, Words of Truth, was composed by His Holiness Tenzin Gyatso, the Fourteenth Dalai Lama of Tibet, on 29 September 1960 at his temporary headquarters in the Swarg Ashram at Dharamsala, Kangra District, Himachal State, India. This prayer for restoring peace, the Buddhist teachings, and the culture and self-determina-tion of the Tibetan people in their homeland was written after repeated requests by Tibetan government officials along with the unanimous consensus of the monastic and lay communities.




m x

[kriya]

How much more do we need to realize that out power is in our self sovereignity and that it is only because we are looking outside that we are being deceived?

Love

I don't believe there is deception in terms of the Dalai Lama actually. If you choose to believe that, OK. Buddhism is all about self investigation, and with out teachers to teach and show the way you wouldn't even know that your essence is of God and that you are a sovereign being.

Regardless of the corruption (by people) of religion, at the heart of them all is a message of love and teachings of how to transcend the duality of existence through spiritual principles.

I shall say no more on the matter,

peace,

Kriya

[Stardustaquarion]

How has he done deals with the devil?

We only have two agendas here:

a) Eternal life, living in harmony with the universal laws which I will not bore you to enumerate but sufice to say that Integrity is required

b) Finite life, tptb agenda that include using us not only as a commodity but taking the quantum or energy of our soul and spirit to fuel their death star systems will not bore you with the long explanation here either as this subject has been discussed in this forum at length

The CIA serves TPTB hence the forces against eternal life. Those that take more than their fair share with reap the consequences sooner or later, the truth can not be contained it always has the habit to poke its head out sooner rather than later

This is an equal interchange of energy universe still, we are all EQUAL there are none that are better or superior than any other, diffent yes but not superior. To believe that someone is superior than us just because they hold a "sacred office" (Maxwell explains very well what and office means) is to be enslaved by outer appariences

For myself I am gratefull that Tarpley said what he said, it has helped me to realize that idolizing someone is bad for oneself and bad for the person we are idolizing, it is productive to see everyone as equal that is the only way out of slavery at all levels

Love

[gita]

Truly it’s sad how some prayers go unanswered. I have a similar prayer to the above but I pray for the whole planet and have done so for decades and yet that goes unanswered also – things just seem to be getting worse. I suppose action does speak louder than words.

[Stardustaquarion]

Truly it’s sad how some prayers go unanswered. I have a similar prayer to the above but I pray for the whole planet and have done so for decades and yet that goes unanswered also – things just seem to be getting worse. I suppose action does speak louder than words.

Why prayers go unanswered is a whole new subject but I have learned that there are two main reasons:

1) We may be praying to something or somebody(ies) outside ourselves that may have even less powers than ourselves to assist

2) We may be asking for something that goes against the free will of others

Love

[K626]

We only have two agendas here:

a) Eternal life, living in harmony with the universal laws which I will not bore you to enumerate but sufice to say that Integrity is required

b) Finite life, tptb agenda that include using us not only as a commodity but taking the quantum or energy of our soul and spirit to fuel their death star systems will not bore you with the long explanation here either as this subject has been discussed in this forum at length

The CIA serves TPTB hence the forces against eternal life. Those that take more than their fair share with reap the consequences sooner or later, the truth can not be contained it always has the habit to poke its head out sooner rather than later

This is an equal interchange of energy universe still, we are all EQUAL there are none that are better or superior than any other, diffent yes but not superior. To believe that someone is superior than us just because they hold a "sacred office" (Maxwell explains very well what and office means) is to be enslaved by outer appariences

For myself I am gratefull that Tarpley said what he said, it has helped me to realize that idolizing someone is bad for oneself and bad for the person we are idolizing, it is productive to see everyone as equal that is the only way out of slavery at all levels

Love

Living in harmony with universal laws alone will get you precisely nowhere, it is why we have been given choices. Universal law taken in isolation is a closed system...Useless. Take a step back. IF the universe has any interest in us then that interest is partly based around our ability to fail....

[morguana]

So you do not know the Dalai Lama then...you are just adoring an image like a film star...an icon...not the real man...just the public image that makes you feel safe and gives you hope...

Love

i am not adoring anyone stardust, i dont believe in haveing anyone as an idol, i have no need for them. i just dont agree with your sentiments, thats all, no big deal :original:

hope and love come from the heart and not from another.......the way is in the heart, not in the sky. just because i like the dali lama doesnt mean anything else, i like leonard cohen, mother theresa, ghandi, martin luther king, many folk dead or alive, doesnt mean i hold them up as idols, just means i like what they stand for

m x

[Stardustaquarion]

partly based around our ability to fail....

That is what appears to be but the prefered choice of source is that we live in harmony with the laws of the universe and experience the fullness of our power as eternal beings

We are given free will and falling and failing is a choice and a possibility but not a "necessity" of the organization of the worlds

Failing and falling has consequences and we are experiencing those consequences now in our own fragile bodies that live such a short time and are so frail, and our livestyles that are so hard and demanding

These are the consequences of the decissions that we as collective, as humanity have taken aeons ago, because not taking a choice and looking to the other side hoping that the problem will go away is a decission too. One that we as a race might have taken one time too many and continue to take

I can only say this out of my own experience journeying to other planes/places that there are other realities where death does not exist nor illness nor lack nor war...


Love

[K626]

That is what appears to be but the prefered choice of source is that we live in harmony with the laws of the universe and experience the fullness of our power as eternal beings

We are given free will and falling and failing is a choice and a possibility but not a "necessity" of the organization of the worlds

Failing and falling has consequences and we are experiencing those consequences now in our own fragile bodies that live such a short time and are so frail, and our livestyles that are so hard and demanding

These are the consequences of the decissions that we as collective, as humanity have taken aeons ago, because not taking a choice and looking to the other side hoping that the problem will go away is a decission too. One that we as a race might have taken one time too many and continue to take

I can only say this out of my own experience journeying to other planes/places that there are other realities where death does not exist nor illness nor lack nor war...


Love

If the joker didn't appear he would have to be invented. Universal law no.1. :original:

[Stardustaquarion]

just means i like what they stand for

m x

Dear Morguana, this has never been about what they stand for, there are many pearls of wisdom in buddism as well as in any other currents of thought. If credos and religions did not mix some of the truth with the distortions that have been implanted on them no one will pay any attention to them

There is something inside ourselves called DNA which is complex to explain in two words but suffice to say that it does give us a sense of true or false

My concern here is about behaviour of spiritual leaders, I myself thought from years back before my own awakening, that the DL was a pacifist and to realize the hidden agendas has been a shock to me. That is all

Love

[Stardustaquarion]

If the joker didn't appear he would have to be invented. Universal law no.1. :original:

I don't think is a joke, it is instead, from my perspective, a never ending love story

Source love us so much that gave us free will...we can use it in which ever way we want...even if it means our self destruction

We can go back to source as eternal beings, masters of ourselves or, we can go back to source as space dust with no memory of what we learned or identity. It is our choice and any choice is valid

Source loves every bit of itself regardless

One could take confort on knowing that we will never ever be trully totally destroyed and we are always loved, forever and ever and never judged

Our only judge is our own DNA...

Love

[Harper]

Hi Stardust,

I think the joker and the fool are wonderfully important, I found this - its not mine but I thought it might help. The fool is the zero point, the totality of all possibilities.

Comic Reversals and Frustration with Reason

One of the main functions of humor in Zen is in trying to allow one to understand the absurdity in attempting to classify reality into categories. Thus, the boundaries formed between logical issues are broken down, revealing the frustration that Zen has with logic and reasoning.

An example of this can be seen in a Zen anecdote about a Zen master who lay dying. His monks are all gathered around his deathbed, and the senior monk leans over and asks the master for any final words of wisdom for his monks. The old master weakly says, "Tell them Truth is like a river." The senior monk relays this message on to the other monks. The youngest monk in the group is confused, and asks, "What does he mean that Truth is like a river?" The senior monk relays this question to the master, and the master replies, "O.K., Truth is not like a river."

We see here a serious message wrapped up in a humorous package. The absurdity of classifying things into little boxes is revealed here: Truth is and is not like a river; it transcends classification.

The question 'Is it all serious?' is a very important one to ponder on! NO JOKE

thanks for all the contributions

[Agape]

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll256/PaldenLhamo/India%20Album/1-12.jpg

http://i290.photobucket.com/albums/ll256/PaldenLhamo/India%20Album/TIBE0001.gif

Not an agent no. Someone with higher attics , read ethics, and intents than to be 'a king' . His Holliness Dalailama ( resp. for many other masters in the East as well ) is a teacher of ancient teachings , some meant right for everyone , like the vast buddhist lectures on wisdom, meditation and compassion, other preserved by gifted few.
Tibet has been physically and spiritually protecting itself from the rest of the world for a way too long,
they managed to maintain peaceful relationships with their immediate neigbours , mainly China and Mongolia for many centuries ,
surrounded by snow capped Himalayas, they proudly called themselves ''Snow Land of Tibet'' .
They've developed unique culture based on preserving knowledge. Though some of it is apperars now to be freely available in the west ,
and cheap enough to buy,
it's hardly possible to understand way of old masters, unless you meet one in person.

I doubt that Camelot Project is allowed on Chinese internet ( smiley ?)


FREEDOM TO TIBET:protest:

Freedom to everyone else too....

A

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

i watched a 4 part lecture on youtube of the dalai lama in london and thought it was excellent, it was part of my awakening process. maybe the old footage i saw of crowd control at a festival were more ot do with bonn than buddhism.

perhaps he is under some kind of control where it was a choice of be killed by the chinese or become under the thumb of the cia as a pawn to get a china (under pain of death perfhaps). im sure he is being used as we all are.

[Agape]

Consider a situation of nation and a man who grew up independant and not bowing to anyone else than their elders .

Tibetans are proud people of vast mountains, lakes, infinite space, their love nature, their homeland above all.
Do you think anyone really wanted to go to India ? Many had died on the way through high Himalayas passes ,
many had died affected by hot south Indian climate and infections, exhausted, hungry and monks with what can be compared here to post gradual degrees were forced to work on the roads in India,
to maintain their living and help to rebuild some of the monasteries , colleges , children villages housing hundreds of their children who lost their parents or were sent by them to India, in the risk of life ,
just to grant them education and to preserve their culture.

They are people of very brave hearts and unshakable spirits .

They were offered help several times, by several resources, descretly , but they refused , to preserve non violent approach.

There was involvment from CIA who trained few Tibetan soldiers and sent the units to organize silent but armed uprising, in the 60th .

The unit failed to organize anything, as the whole region was under brutal chinese control.


Many Tibetans don't fully agree with his peaceful and disactive approach, the young generation would fight to get their homeland back , all means.

The moral of the story ? Till there is single injustice taking place in this world , we all are suffering.

A

[Stardustaquarion]

Consider a situation of nation and a man who grew up independant and not bowing to anyone else than their elders .

A

I understand how you feel, we all feel distressed when our worlds and beliefs are threatened but the end does not justify the means, that is what spiritual integrity is about

Our bodies, or flesh suits, are not really worth the compromisse of loosing our spiritual integrity

Yes life is tough in this planet, but people that are self proclaimed pacifists can only call themselves pacifists if they have integrity with regards to the principles that they are proclaiming

I have no doubt that when we are in difficult situations we all make mistakes and forget that we are spiritual beings. Our worldly possesions, that include our bodies, are not really all that important to the big picture, we can always be born again

Ghandi was a pacifist and he got beatten for his beliefs and underwent incredible hardship. Yet he achieved what he set himself to achieve because he had integrity. Same applies to Mandela who was in jail for a long time just to be heard

This whole thread is about INTEGRITY, no about whether we as humans have weaknesses or not and whether the end justify the means

I am sad too to learn of the downfall of others, I will have rather not, but truth comes out and it is not wise to hide oneself under the mattress and pretend things are not happening

I understand that the Dalai Lama himself have said that he had dealings with the CIA. That is his burdain to carry too as it was his choice

What can not longer be prettended is that he is a pacifist. He may be a man concern for his people and country but he is not a pacifict, that is all

Love

[swordsmith]

The truth process will take a willing person to concealed areas of our own fearful emptiness, if you go far enough you will find your own fullness. I used to have a few altars, now I have S P A C E. (Not sure what to do with it sometimes)
For some further information on Tibet,
http://www.youtube.com/user/linuxguru2126#p/a/u/0/bJGr86ikA3U
and perhaps read the sidebar for links.
It hurts to let go of sacred cows, but eventually you realise you don't have to deal with their dung, though apparently it burns well.

I have no personal feelings about the DL, never ACTUALLY met him. I can see he does a very good job as a front person. That's the problem for me, while everyone is watching the show, I like to go round the back of the tent.

[Stardustaquarion]

I have no personal feelings about the DL, never ACTUALLY met him. I can see he does a very good job as a front person. That's the problem for me, while everyone is watching the show, I like to go round the back of the tent.

I am with you on this, I also like SPACE :wink2:

[Agape]

And that's the sad though inevitable ending of all old cultures, Tibetan nation and learning they preserved is slowly dying out in front of our and this worlds eyes and we allow it to happen..

We are digging out remains of those who are gone ..but care less for those who are living and what is THEIR message for humankind.

They live their religion day by day and are in peace with that..they are well trained people, over time and most of the old generation agree with H.H.Dalailama, they are pacifists ..at the cost of their human existence,
by peace they maintain integrity and they are not all able to face our type of modern civilisation, similar as my granny or my mum, but they are far older souls.

The legend of Shambhala is eternal and it sais that those who had transcended their time will be reborn in faultless realms.

Been there, seen that, should not speak :original:


A

[Agape]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhXw-2aqJ3E

I've only now listened to the initial video you've posted ( shame of me ) ..
and I'm feeling responsible to tell you that 'the way Mr Tarpley presents facts is a scam.
It's like trying to depict culture in the worst possible terms , so agrreable with Chinas 'liberation' approach.

It's as if you start describing US now in very bad terms and all the dirt going on in politics and crimes and military regime whatever ..try speak to China, they might liberate yea :roll1:

He forgot to mention attrocities, tortures and mutilations conducted by chinese on tibetans as well as their own people ..and there's no control over what they do in their 'homeland'.

[swordsmith]

I'm not a dogma person, give me cats anyday.

[waitinginthewings]

Buddhism is not considered a "religion" by Buddhists. It is a philosophy and a way of life, which Buddhists practice daily. The Path of Heart is a good book to read by the DL.

This man appears to be sentenced without evidence or trial.

Best not to judge unless there is hard core evidence & not just speculation & cybernet gossip. Best to ask the question, why and what has Tarpley to gain by his attack on DL? Which camp is he in?

[K626]

Buddhism is not considered a "religion" by Buddhists. It is a philosophy and a way of life, which Buddhists practice daily. The Path of Heart is a good book to read by the DL.

This man appears to be sentenced without evidence or trial.

Best not to judge unless there is hard core evidence & not just speculation & cybernet gossip. Best to ask the question, why and what has Tarpley to gain by his attack on DL? Which camp is he in?

Agreed.

I mentioned earlier what Tarpley is upto. It's to do with not enraging the Chinese so they don't dump US bonds and his deep hatred of Obama.

[Stardustaquarion]

Thank you for your doubts, they made me research more deaply and oh boy there is plenty evidence of that the Dalai Lama is on the CIA payroll and that he helped organize a violent uprising. So much for pacifism

The following articles also explain a lot about the abuses that the tibetan people suffered under the Dalai Lama which explain why they did not do anything to defend its kingdom

I was shocked to learn that the Dalai Lama received money from the CIA, now I am speachless at the propaganda machine that creates "mirages" of inexistent saints

Cheers
PS there were so many articles that I just stopped reading, here are some examples but there are many more

http://newschecker.blogspot.com/2007/05/tibet-when-dalai-lama-was-in-power.html

http://www.infowars.com/the-role-of-the-cia-behind-the-dalai-lamas-holy-cloak/

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Dalai%20Lama%20Received%20CIA%20Money%20During%20T he%201960s,%20Paper%20Says.-a053476012

http://www.greenleft.org.au/1996/248/13397

http://www.northern-iowan.org/opinion/do-some-dalai-lama-research-1.2085931

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-53476012.html