The Heather Material

[Seafury]

I started reading the pdf and very quickly ended up simply reading Bill Ryans comments and decided the pdf wasn't really worth my time. Bill asks very good critical thinking questions to vet this story and we the reader never receive any answer to them. Apparently he hasn't received any answers either.

Will Kerry believe anything? Is this material worthy of being posted on the front page of PC? Who the heck is Marco?

discuss.

[tone3jaguar]

I just find myself rolling my eyes and shaking my head. Kerry and Bill are splitting off on different paths. Kerry the path of gullibility and Bill the path of credibility. Not a big surprise.

[Northern Boy]

I`m not surprised the least by this T3J

[Sideshow Shaman]

Yeah, read it as well. I still do not know if this Heather actually posted on Avalon herself. It all seems like second, or third, hand info. So I remain undecided.

One thing is for certain,
if you are a whistle blower...

Do not ask a retired boxer & an nypd flunky to handle Public Relations.

>>>>___________________
Marcus Sparacio (http://www.google.com/search?q=Marcus%20Sparacio&sourceid=mozilla2&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8) seems to be his real name. Does no one use google here??

[Karen]

Will Kerry believe anything? Is this material worthy of being posted on the front page of PC? Who the heck is Marco?
discuss.

Marco = Marcus Sparacio = https://www.projectavalon.net/forum/member.php?u=10931
Read his posts. http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/search.php?searchid=2709369

[Kinsuemei2]

Yeah I have the rest of her info, nine folders of the stuff, so if it is just crap, it should be entertaining eh? and thats Kickboxer Shaman, try not to cut your self on your razor sharp wit lol

to adress certain aspects, what I told heather was in good faith, yes I speak languages and I practices Mauy Thai, and this was my trade for some years, I have a few weird dreams, I am hardly a super solider, and right now with health issues I can't jump out of bed in the morning, hell if you look on my facebook page, you can see a spider bite almost finished me off a few weeks ago as it got sepsis and it went to my heart, real nasty bite! I am still on meds

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5182331&l=9de5d38697&id=597427323

hopefully you guys can see the pic I am not good at this.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=5182328&l=8893dc827c&id=597427323


so yeah, I am feeling good now though but that bite kicked the crap out of me.

[Seafury]

Read his posts. http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/search.php?searchid=2709369

This link doesn't work.

[Linda]

People should not be so hasty.

When somebody exposes explosive material, gets banned, then 2 threads get closed.......well, well, well...... my antennas went up real fast......... and not to mention personal emails are now posted for all to read.......

We should already know by now how cover-ups are usually handled.
Either by silence, stalling or by attacking the personalities involved.

Personally, I think it's wise to wait before we make any judgments.
Just my 2 cents

[Karen]

This link doesn't work.

Works for me - takes me to a list of the posts by Marc.

[metaw3]

Works for me - takes me to a list of the posts by Marc.

It's an expired search Karen. In the profile of the user, right-click and copy the "search all posts by" link without actually doing the search:
http://projectavalon.net/forum/search.php?do=finduser&u=10931

[Chamber]

I see absolutely nothing to validate what "Heather" is saying.

Seriously....a few claims(same exact claims made elsewhere) followed by a string of digits.....followed by "OMG my life(and my loved ones) may be in danger!"

/convert to PDF file = credibility!

:lmfao:
:sleep_1:

Bill busted [NO NAME CALLING] on the ip address.....good enough for me.

[Linda]

Yeah I have the rest of her info, nine folders of the stuff, so if it is just crap, it should be entertaining eh?

Any idea when we are going to be able to see this information?

Also, I hope you are feeling better now and stay safe.

[tone3jaguar]

You can see it right now on the camelot homepage. Once you review it and see Bills notes he put in it, it becomes fairly obvious why we are reacting the way we are.

[Linda]

Oh, Bill made notes on the nine folders of stuff?

Great, I will go check.

[metaw3]

It's nice to see Bill's comments. The people coming forward with this info didn't prove anything to Bill yet, and are very rude. I think it's quite simple. Unless Bill can be convinced and proof shown to him, time and energy can't be wasted on people who make their point with an aggressive attitude. It doesn't mean they are dishonnest. It just means they act as if they can afford to be arrogant because they speak on behalf of a whistleblower, who doesn't seem to exist... and that's a problem.

If you 2 are telling the truth about this whistleblower, you're not helping this woman at all with your attitude. If you won't do it for yourselves, do it for her and be nice to Bill and us, at least until you can prove something to Bill.

Since Marcus Sparacio aka Armake went out of his way to post here that he's on youtube (http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=237121#post237121), it means he expect people to go see for themselves. Marcus Sparacio is that you on this video? Please be nice if you reply.

IPpiBNaPHKE


And here's a good read if you wonder whether you're gullible or not:

Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation (http://prernalal.com/banned%20books/25%20Ways%20To%20Suppress%20Truth%20-%20The%20Rules%20of%20Disinformation%20-%20Michael%20Sweeney.pdf)

[Céline]

One thing is for certain,
if you are a whistle blower...

Do not ask a retired boxer & an nypd flunky to handle Public Relations.



good advice

[Stargazer1965]

It's nice to see Bill's comments. The people coming forward with this info didn't prove anything to Bill yet, and are very rude. I think it's quite simple. Unless Bill can be convinced and proof shown to him, time and energy can't be wasted on people who make their point with an aggressive attitude. It doesn't mean they are dishonnest. It just means they act as if they can afford to be arrogant because they speak on behalf of a whistleblower, who doesn't seem to exist... and that's a problem.

If you 2 are telling the truth about this whistleblower, you're not helping this woman at all with your attitude. If you won't do it for yourselves, do it for her and be nice to Bill and us, at least until you can prove something to Bill.

Since Marcus Sparacio aka Armake went out of his way to post here that he's on youtube (http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=237121#post237121), it means he expect people to go see for themselves. Marcus Sparacio is that you on this video? Please be nice if you reply.

IPpiBNaPHKE


And here's a good read if you wonder whether you're gullible or not:

Twenty-Five Ways To Suppress Truth: The Rules of Disinformation (http://prernalal.com/banned%20books/25%20Ways%20To%20Suppress%20Truth%20-%20The%20Rules%20of%20Disinformation%20-%20Michael%20Sweeney.pdf)

I'm going to catch grief for this but ....oh well.

Again...I know none of these folks so I come at this from what is displayed and had not a whole lot of opinion on this before a few days ago.

I deal in facts...what I can see and touch and logically deduce

The IP thing - If you are basing guilt or innocence on that....I can have 5 different IPs before I stop typing this sentence...Big places with lots of room broadcast 1 IP address to the world

If you are basing it on what Bill revealed early on:

The IP address the same...See above and the fact that Ben had multiple logons...Missing was the fact that Ben had created them after he was banned in an attempt to have access to Avalon

His reasons for wanting on so badly was his own...I would have probably done the same

The above video of one of his defenders....really seems like a smear campaign...I'm an okay guy but I have bad days...and I also don't publish myself as an edgy game reviewer...so the Video of the guy losing his mind on the vid game is really inappropriate.

Avalon is better than how this is playing out....

Peace Y'all

[Céline]

Avalon is better than how this is playing out....

Peace Y'all

i agree

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

i read the pdf and bills notes. how bill noted the information presented is how i mentally picutre all information that i look at. nobody knows anything for sure about anything. interesting as always and filed away in the memory of things ive heard or read. ive digested the information but that does not mean that i think its true or beleive anything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubDnEWHkjBc&feature=related

[Linda]

I agree that video of Marco made in 2008 was silly and pretty wild, but those gamers are into those things, but it was tagged as a comedy.

Who has done things in the past that they wish they could just forget about?

Like Stargazer, I only deal in facts and think it looks like a smear campaign.

This is not about Marco, it's about Heather's material. ALL of it.
We can make up our own minds once everything is released.

I just want to know why it is taking so long for somebody to make some kind of statement.

[Gnosis5]

I just find myself rolling my eyes and shaking my head. Kerry and Bill are splitting off on different paths. Kerry the path of gullibility and Bill the path of credibility. Not a big surprise.

Bill, with his background, has more entrained abilities to go and check out someone's "space". I figure if I can do it he can do it in spades :-)

I think the reason for Kerrie's open disregard for Bill is caused by something else and not what has been publicly stated. What duality or polarity or opposing goal set it being dramatized here? How can it be healed?

I'm glad to see Kerrie branching out and doing her own radio show. It seems to be a very powerful medium for her.

[SteveX]

My observations on the PDF...for what it's worth. I'm not a specialist in any field but I will draw on my experience as a hobbyist writer.

Firstly, without a shadow of any doubt the whole file is poorly written. It is not consistent with the level of an education a qualified MD / scientist would have. Spelling, grammar and punctuation. Is there evidence this was written in hast? Even then I would have thought someone’s cognitive abilities be second nature.

I got the distinct impression two authors were involved. The second author’s grammatical composition was very poor. Was it written from memory by another author?

Not only that it seemed 2 stories we're being spliced into one. This could be due to the second author’s grammar / writing ability but those areas of composition relate off the main narrative to a third party.

I am not expert or hold a say here. Just stating my observations of the text.

No consultation fee sort or required. No copyright implied. Free for public use and recommend everything be put behind us. :wink2:

[Gnosis5]

It sort of reads like some of the stuff that comes out in some people's past life sessions, and I have heard a much of this before.

[Dougall]

Is the guy on the vid suppose to be a Cop? My gut says not a Cop. He runs out of air in 10 seconds. Easy enough to check out, maybe he works in the computer lab.

[Berob24]

I completely agree with SteveX. I didn't read the entire content of the pdf- a lot of the reason being that the writing was so poor. I find it hard to believe an educated person would write this way. I am definitely not the best writer and my grammar is lacking (yay for spell check!), but this material was awful.

[Majorion]

without a shadow of any doubt the whole file is poorly written
Yep, without any doubt, a Hoax.

One Project at a time please! :trumpet:

[pilot]

Sorry, I can't seem to find Bill's commentary, the pdf that says BillsHeather1 opens up the same as the "clean" Heather pdf...no comments, am I looking in the wrong place?

Thanks

[Moxie]

The matter is about the premise of Camelot, that of exposing whistleblowers commentary... period...Not airing their opinions.

As soon as the founders begin to give their opinions, the premise of the purpose of Camelot begins to deterioriate.

Kerry would not have felt compelled to voice her disapproval of Bill's published "take" if he had not done so. And it was appropriate for her to have stated her disapproval of Bill's undermining of Camelot's purpose.

Some of the viewers here thirst after the opinions of Kerry and Bill...
why?... for want of where to direct their own view.

This broo-haha is timely really. It's about time that Kerry piped in with a message because when the Greer deal went down she was silent. Bill went about it here at Avalon as tho he were talking to a long time, trusted friend, when the viewing audience here is worldwide... it was very telling when he did that and I'm sure that was the beginning of the split that is now apparent.

It's all good nonetheless.. Kudos to both! We are watching and listening and you both help us to better discern.. I love it.

[TruthWillSetUFree]

I originally thought it was a good decision made by Bill for the reason that the entire situation seemed very shady and should have been nipped in the bud before it went any further.
I also agree with Kerry that everyone should get their chance to speak their truth and I felt I judged too quickly.

Be that as it may, if a 'whistleblower', writing that term is beginning to make me feel nauseous more and more lately wants to put out their information and use Camelot as their venue, there were other more productive ways to do it instead of this convoluted way now causing infighting between them, was this their intended purpose?

I do agree with all who say this woman "Heather" does not sound very well educated especially given she was supposed to be an MD. It sounds more like she was a lacky that didn't have any command of herself or what she did at all.

Maybe they are all that way working for the ptb, slaves to them, again who really knows.

Until we see all the material complete with substantiated proof I don't know how true this story is, or maybe it is precisely that....a story.

I would also add there are many who would love to break apart Camalot and Project Avalon, and who wouldn't think twice about pulling a stunt like this to darken their credibility.

[SteveX]

Sorry, I can't seem to find Bill's commentary, the pdf that says BillsHeather1 opens up the same as the "clean" Heather pdf...no comments, am I looking in the wrong place?

Thanks

Go to the home page. Kerry has 2 links almost side by side click the first. By the large dot.

[Linda]

This should not be about spelling, grammar, weird personalities or about taking sides.

This is an important SUBJECT MATTER that needs to be examined. That is what needs to be explored.

Those of us who have done our research on these type of black operations are extremely interested in ALL material that is available.

We can't put our heads in the sand and just pretend that these projects are not being done behind our backs.

I say present ALL the material and interviews and let us decide if this is a hoax or not.
We are not children and can make up our own minds based on the evidence.
Just my 2 cents

[SteveX]

This should not about spelling, grammar, weird personalities or about taking sides.

This is an important SUBJECT MATTER that needs to be examined. That is what needs to be explored.

Those of us who have done our research on these type of black operations are extremely interested in ALL material that is available.

We can't put our heads in the sand and just pretend that these projects are not being done behind our backs.

I say present ALL the material and interviews and let us decide if this is a hoax or not.
We are not children and can make up our own minds based on the evidence.
Just my 2 cents

So ... do Bill & Kerry interview every man and his dog? Become your own disinfo agent? If so how credible would a genuine whistleblower be seen in all that lot?

Surely some discernment if preferable.

[Linda]

Do you not want to see the complete files and the interview that Kerry already did before you make a decision?

WHY are 2 threads still closed about this subject?
Why is there still silence?

Yes, discernment is always in order.

[metaw3]

Sorry, I can't seem to find Bill's commentary, the pdf that says BillsHeather1 opens up the same as the "clean" Heather pdf...no comments, am I looking in the wrong place?

Thanks

No but it's possible that comments don't show in your PDF reader. If you have Acrobat on Windows, right-click this link and save the file to your hard disk instead of opening it in your browser:
http://projectcamelot.org/billsheather1.pdf
Then in the Acrobat menu go to View > Navigation Panels > Comments.

[Fredkc]

StarGazer;
Avalon is better than how this is playing out....
No kiddin'

Pardon me if I steal that line, for all the threads that go by here, that I don't post to, and just shake my head in disbelief.

[SteveX]

Do you not want to see the complete files and the interview that Kerry already did before you make a decision?

WHY are 2 threads still closed about this subject?
Why is there still silence?

Yes, discernment is always in order.

I dare say I would read everything involved here but it's not. The threadee invited discussion. Working off what little info is actually supplied.... namely the pdf, it seems very dubious.

If there was a prior email or conversation that pdf was not written by the author then that would change my opinion. We'll have to wait and see.

[Karen]

WHY are 2 threads still closed about this subject?
Why is there still silence?

We said in another thread, this was probably going to take several days - not to mention it is a holiday weekend in the USA and people are busy with personal lives, etc. Also, the moderators here are volunteers, from time zones all around the world, with lives busy with work and personal activities - it is much more difficult to get a meeting of these minds than one might imagine.

As we saw with Henry Deacon - whistleblowers come out and say some things, then they can get scared and isolate themselves, sometimes repeating this cycle, and sometimes never coming out again.

I have an email message from Kinsuemei2 that he wants to pull back from this.

When we are talking about super soldiers and MKUltra stuff, this is a very dangerous and risky area - as was seen when one venue after another pulled out of planning a conference, all saying the same phrase, "we cannot accommodate you", until it was necessary to postpone the conference.

We had people who were going to release more information and post it to the Kinsuemei2 thread that is closed, but they have changed their minds. Believe me, none of this is orchestrated on the part of the moderators - we have just been caught in the middle of some explosive issues. We'll see what happens over the next few days, but at this time, there is no further information.

[Linda]

Thanks for your post Karen.

I KNOW how explosive this subject is and hopefully we, the public will finally get the truth about these forbidden projects that can destroy mankind.

[seeingterra]

I have a couple of personal remarks regarding this entire subject.

1. Release the material with personal disclaimers from Bill and/or Kerry if any of them wish to do so. The notes in the PDF file is more than sufficient in my view along with a personal disclaimer. Personal disclaimers has been done before on PC, and so it should be done regarding all subjects\whistle-blowers in all that is fair, in my view.

2. Do not for any reason release IP addresses or any personal details that can risk the identity of the whistle-blower, no matter what the case may be. This should go without question in all cases.

This is about all I have to say regarding this subject.

Best regards,

Tommy

[pilot]

No but it's possible that comments don't show in your PDF reader. If you have Acrobat on Windows, right-click this link and save the file to your hard disk instead of opening it in your browser:
http://projectcamelot.org/billsheather1.pdf
Then in the Acrobat menu go to View > Navigation Panels > Comments.

Thanks metaw

I have mac that opens pdfs in preview, I can't seem to get the comments no matter what I try.

I read it and agree that it sounds unlike a professional, but I'd rather not comment pro or con. The fact is I can personally do nothing about it.

[seeingterra]

Thanks metaw

I have mac that opens pdfs in preview, I can't seem to get the comments no matter what I try.

I read it and agree that it sounds unlike a professional, but I'd rather not comment pro or con. The fact is I can personally do nothing about it.

Direct link to the PDF with comments (http://projectcamelot.org/billsheather1.pdf) (there are two, one without Bill's comments and one with)

Also you can try upgrading your acrobat reader to latest version if not already tried?

Link to latest version download of Adobe Reader (http://get.adobe.com/reader/)

I hope you get it to work :)

[Derek]

I don't want to be critical but Kerry has been endorsing alot of misinformation lately


Laura Knight-Jadczyk http://www.cassiopaeacult.com/caseevidence.php

Ashayana Deane (Anna Hayes) http://www.cassiopaeacult.com/caseevidence.php

Amitakh Stanford

and now this Heather material

[Carol]

No kiddin'

Pardon me if I steal that line, for all the threads that go by here, that I don't post to, and just shake my head in disbelief.

ditto

Avalon is about finding safe places, information and resources for building communities, site suggestions.

Camelot is about disclosure.

90 percent of these threads should be moved to off-topic.

[DoctorWho]

In regards to the bad grammar in the Heather material, Kimsuemi did state he was dictated to by Heather as she was afraid to use the cmputer at the time. So it would make sense that what was typed up wasn't typed by her, but by Kimsuemi as Heather dictated to him. If you look at Kimsuemi's posts and copied emails, there is some correlation in my view.
Bill "the Doctor"

[pilot]

Thanks Seeingterra, finally got it. It was useful to read Bill's notes.

[Sideshow Shaman]

Yeah I have the rest of her info, nine folders of the stuff, so if it is just crap, it should be entertaining eh? and thats Kickboxer Shaman, try not to cut your self on your razor sharp wit lol

to adress certain aspects, what I told heather was in good faith, yes I speak languages and I practices Mauy Thai, and this was my trade for some years, I have a few weird dreams, I am hardly a super solider, and right now with health issues I can't jump out of bed in the morning, hell if you look on my facebook page, you can see a spider bite almost finished me off a few weeks ago as it got sepsis and it went to my heart, real nasty bite! I am still on meds

so yeah, I am feeling good now though but that bite kicked the crap out of me.

Sorry about that, my point was not to be insulting. But you must realize that presentation is (almost) everything when trying to be convincing.

It is also understood that people that have been involved in secret government programs often have their memories messed with or just been plain traumatized. And that such people likely require sensitive deprogramming before they can even clearly vocalize what they have experienced. However that is just another reason to take some time and get the info properly written/organized.

I can see that you are an actual person trying to do something. Just saying your approach needs work, overcommunicating is often counterproductive. I have worked in advertising and seen the real pros at work, do not underestimate the skill it requires. Take things slow, do it right.

Best wishes to you, your family & friends.
S.S.

[Linda]

Personally, I think the whole package needs to be presented ASAP to let the public decide what rings true to them.

No reason to wait unless somebody wants more time to alter documents.

This subject matter is crucial for us to know about as both Heather and Kinsuemei2 have stated.
Just my 2 cents

[unplugged]

My take on the Heather material

1-the "heather" individual was not a native English language speaker OR
2-the individual doing the transcription was neither a native English language speaker NOR a scientist
3-the information may have been transcribed from audio with the person doing the transcription lacking a scientific background
4-there were sections within the pdf that felt authentic
5-I flashed on Egypt and drawings of strange hybrid creatures in the bowels of the temple at Edfu (temple of Horus) which provide documented evidence of folk messing with genetics and creating some very strange creatures indeed. This Heather doc seemed to be recounting an updated version of genetic manipulation where consequences seem as much out of control NOW as they were THEN.
6-IMO, there is nothing "too impossible" to believe in this now as timelines seem to be breaking down and the very fabric of reality as we have come to experience it shifts and morphs in strange, unaccountable ways.
7-If Bill found the material so exceedingly suspect he could have noted his concerns in a paragraph somewhere on the site without plastering his opinion all over the material. I regretted not reading the un-annotated text first because I realized Bill's annotations caused me to view the material from his perspective and not that of the original author. Where there were no annotations I found myself sensing rather than thinking about "what does this mean?" and concluding there was definitely something strange, improbable but not impossible being described in the file
8-the writing itself may have been deliberately manipulated to appear as it did so as not to give away the identity of the writer to the PTB.
9-It may indeed be just a bunch of hooey.

[Linda]

What I don't understand is the link that Bill gave as to the reason for the ban.
It was a post made on 10-27-09 ???

"This is what's at stake - because he posted this information on his thread. It's not just dragging the Avalon Forum into Camelot's business. It IS Avalon's business.:

#692
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=17977&page=28

10-27-2009, 08:38 PM #3
Kinsuemei2
Avalon Senior Member

Default Re: Whistle Blower

There is no correlation, between the two Omega 3 is just a another project name I think, now certain Flak-seed oil components were used in a very soy lent green fashion, so that's always nice to hear your ingesting dead human proteins...

Their might be a connection cyberdyne is a real company, but as far as I am aware they have not worked on this project, but I have no idea what the exoskeletons look like or who's name is stamped on the binaries

=================================

But this was his last post before he was banned. I don't get it.

02-03-2010, 02:04 PM #44
Kinsuemei2
Avalon Senior Member

Default Re: New Wilcock Interview

My story is unbelievable, but I experienced it so have others around me, anybody who thinks its bogus can kiss my ass as I don't really care, I don't believe a word DW says as he packaged all his info in the same way for the 2000 ascension that never came, so now he is simply re doing the same **** he was marketing ten years ago, the rest are interesting but unless I experience what they do, we shall have to wait and see, one fact I do know is that if you are privy to top secret information the government will kill you if you try to go public with it, Project Camelot having the info or part of it does not make you safe in anyway.
I recently lost Dr Heather JJ Anderson and her story will now not get out as people around her and who have helped her are legitimately dead, not in "Another Realm" as Kerry Cassidey has asked me about and her info did exist as I was also grilled over, I wonder if she ever did grill DW about that RA ****

need I say more? I am with trained Observer on this one, yeah I had a reptilian encounter but at the end of the day, I don't expect a single dam one of you to believe it and I really couldn't give a dam about it anymore.

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=233027#post233027

[AscendingStarseed]

One piece of information that caught my attention from the Heather pdf was where it said that some flax seeds are the by product of these synthetic humans. Several months ago I remember coming across the same information in the form of a warning to stay away from flax seeds due to this very fact. Apparently it's not a healthy dietary supplement after all when laced with FAKE PEOPLE PARTS!

Can you say Soylent Green?

Something tells me that the truth is not too far off from the scenario presented in this file, all we can do is file it and move on till we can connect more dots...as in the flax seed connection, can't remember what rabbit hole that tidbit was hidden in?!

[SteveX]

SNIPPED
One piece of information that caught my attention from the Heather pdf was where it said that some flax seeds are the by product of these synthetic humans. can't remember what rabbit hole that tidbit was hidden in?!

Don't mean to hi jack the thread. Lets just make this a 2 or 3 post side bar but what is a "flax seed." I don't need the specific link but from your memory...

What is it?
Where does it come or how is it generated?
What does it do?

[redtailhawk]

Hi SteveX,

Flaxseed is also known as linseed. It is a dietary supplement and very good for you. It is sometimes pressed into oil form, and is high in Omega 3-fatty acids.

I grind mine from whole grain and make sure it is organic. There is no way that it could be cut with biological material...what a crock!

[eleni]

One piece of information that caught my attention from the Heather pdf was where it said that some flax seeds are the by product of these synthetic humans. Several months ago I remember coming across the same information in the form of a warning to stay away from flax seeds due to this very fact. Apparently it's not a healthy dietary supplement after all when laced with FAKE PEOPLE PARTS!

Can you say Soylent Green?

Something tells me that the truth is not too far off from the scenario presented in this file, all we can do is file it and move on till we can connect more dots...as in the flax seed connection, can't remember what rabbit hole that tidbit was hidden in?!

There is no way that a reputable flax oil compnay (Barlean's in US is one example) are using run off from cyber soldiers. This is fear mongering at it's worst IMO.

[fr66ajc]

AFAIK Flax seed oil was originally used for cooking prior to WWII. After that we started getting all this super-processed hydrogenated what-not and that has caused the rise in diabetes.

Proper flax seed oil = good stuff...

Not sure about the Heather content... too any of my own alarm bells going off, but then I am no barometer for truth.. :)

[Gnosis5]

SOYLENT GREEN, WHAT IT'S MADE OF:

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[Gnosis5]

Hi SteveX,

Flaxseed is also known as linseed. It is a dietary supplement and very good for you. It is sometimes pressed into oil form, and is high in Omega 3-fatty acids.

I grind mine from whole grain and make sure it is organic. There is no way that it could be cut with biological material...what a crock!

Flax oil, great especially for "O" blood types.

[Hiram]

I'd like to express my two cents here:

Its patently obvious that the Heather.PDF was not written by anyone with an MD or PHD. Perhaps it was transcribed, by someone with a grade-school level of education. Thats possible.

How do I know this? I work in one of the worlds leading research Institutions (Genetics, Bio-Physics, Medical Science etc) and handle materials and papers written by MD, PHDs, MPH's EVERY DAY. Who better to evaluate this? And no, I'm sorry the material is not consistent with someone writing in a 2nd language either. Language facility is not really the issue with the PDF, rather thought, idea structure and presentation, and utter LACK of some basic verbage and "industry" terminology that anyone who has an education (as claimed by the author) would have.

So does this mean that there aren't "supersoldiers" being genteically altered and equiped with nano-technology? Of course not. Its very possible/Probable. I think it's a real issue and I have nothing but the utmost sympathy for those folks (Duncan O'finoin etc)

But as I've stated before on this forum...there is such a thing as being a free an open forum of ideas....and on the other hand allowing people to willfully stray into self-indulgence (by allowing them to drone on an on before a captive audience) and actively mis-leading people.

When you run a forum you have to strike an intelligent balance. Does the fact that your site is about Whistleblowers mean that you have to present EVERY STORY and EVERY PERSON that approaches you equally?

Is one not allowed to evaluate the veracity and value of information at all before presenting it?

Should one who is presenting a story, have to provide some very basic substantiating data? If the party can't provide ANY info, then shouldn't the next step be for Bill/Kerry to look at the info an ask themselves if it adds/contributes value to their mission?

Is their mission to provide a mouthpiece/soapbox for anyone who has any strange story or claim? ----without putting their personal opinion as site/project founders in at all?

I think these are fair questions.

IMO as a scientist, I see nothing wrong with being discerning about what you present. I think the "risk" of losing a really good whistleblower is minimal...basically because the really good ones will have some substantiating info. They will. Plain and simple.

But I don't believe I should just be able to make-up any story and just blather all over here in the name of "free expression of ideas". No one here would like it if I did that....and I can assure you I could make my PDF sound VERY convincing! I would expect someone to contact me to ask some follow-up questions. I hope that is what happens here.

[SteveX]

Hiram

here here well said http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-score010.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

[Linda]

I have an email message from Kinsuemei2 that he wants to pull back from this.

When we are talking about super soldiers and MKUltra stuff, this is a very dangerous and risky area - as was seen when one venue after another pulled out of planning a conference, all saying the same phrase, "we cannot accommodate you", until it was necessary to postpone the conference.

We had people who were going to release more information and post it to the Kinsuemei2 thread that is closed, but they have changed their minds. Believe me, none of this is orchestrated on the part of the moderators - we have just been caught in the middle of some explosive issues.
We'll see what happens over the next few days, but at this time, there is no further information.

I do not know Kinsuemei2 , but fear for his safety.

Those who have done their homework in this area understand HOW explosive this subject matter is.

I only hope that all the parties are safe and will be allowed to show their evidence and were not silenced.

I am hoping that Kerry will release the interview with Kinsuemei2 and the 9 Heather files he spoke of to warn mankind.

Some of us know that many of those sci-fi movies and video games had truth hidden inside of them.

Luckily, many are now connecting the dots and can see through the deception and can spot the debunkers.

[redtailhawk]

Linda, perhaps you should heed Hiram's post. You claim you do not know "Kinsuemei2 ", yet your posts imply other wise....

[Deadalus]

I started reading the pdf and very quickly ended up simply reading Bill Ryans comments and decided the pdf wasn't really worth my time. Bill asks very good critical thinking questions to vet this story and we the reader never receive any answer to them. Apparently he hasn't received any answers either.

Will Kerry believe anything? Is this material worthy of being posted on the front page of PC? Who the heck is Marco?

discuss.
Her writing is definalty not proffessional but I think thats because she was rushing and dind't care about grammer. If this was a fake latter than she would definatly took her time to make it as proffessional as possible. Secondly she has demostrated technical knowledge. How did she know that going through the stargate requires a few modifications to one body.

[Linda]

Linda, perhaps you should heed Hiram's post. You claim you do not know "Kinsuemei2", yet your posts imply other wise....

I have no connection to Kinsuemei2 whatsoever as some on this board can verify if necessary. I am just a woman in my 60's from the west coast who has been there, done that and is no fool.

No need to direct me to anybody's post who you may think is qualified to understand this subject. I spend all my time studying everything and come to my own conclusions based on my instincts, experiences and deep research.

I only want the truth like MOST of the people here and hate for certain topics to be swept under the rug like it has been in the past.

Time is running out and whistle blowers must come out of hiding if they really do care about our planet and it's people.
The truth is truly stranger than fiction and we have been brainwashed and controlled for way too long.

I just hope that people will finally open up their eyes and start asking the right questions about these dangerous black operations.

[Hiram]

Her writing is definalty not proffessional but I think thats because she was rushing and dind't care about grammer. If this was a fake latter than she would definatly took her time to make it as proffessional as possible. Secondly she has demostrated technical knowledge. How did she know that going through the stargate requires a few modifications to one body.

Hi Deadalus,

I'm not sure that she did demonstrate technical knowledge. One can find out that information about stargates without having actually worked with a stargate. Was there other technical knowledge demonstrated?

We pose the questions to ourselves: Why is the paper poorly written? Why is the grammar poor? Why is it not really the sort of paper we would expect from someone with a scientific backround? Why are the ideas scattered and unstructured? Why would someone with a Chemistry degree not use any words associated with Chemistry in the paper?

I feel so funny posing these questions as I am usually in the position of arguing the "other side" to my professional colleagues. I'm not even a skeptic!! I think there are Stargates. I think there are supersoldiers.

But I'm afraid in this particular case...the burden is somewhat on the poster to provide some bare modicum of substantiation. If for some one-in-a-million chance this is actual and "Heather" is real and telling the truth....well then she has done it so very badly (even as far as whistleblowers go)....that it is almost our job as rational beings to disbelieve it. If we don't then where is the line of our integrity drawn?


I am about the fairest person that there is. But I do ask for some rationally put together argument. I mean that in the nicest way possible---through a keyboard:wink2:

[mntruthseeker]

I'd like to express my two cents here:


But I don't believe I should just be able to make-up any story and just blather all over here in the name of "free expression of ideas". No one here would like it if I did that....and I can assure you I could make my PDF sound VERY convincing! I would expect someone to contact me to ask some follow-up questions. I hope that is what happens here.

It obviously only happens to a few................


I too do not believe anyone should post in here a made up story but if Kerry and Bill truly vetted all the whistleblowers, do you still think they would of put their stories out there ?

Its so sad that this has happen and I will put right here that it was because one mod thought there were too many "typos". For shame. Thats not a good enough reason

My daughter in laws grandmother could tell you stories that would make your hair stand up straight and so could my late husband who was also Native American.

I will not come forward and post on here because I might be asked for "proof" and I have none but what was told to me and its in my mind and heart. The grandmother speaks the truth and she will not come forward. Oh does that means she lies ? NO

I say Shame on anyone that thinks they are authorative enough to judge one mans because of typos or IP address.

Whether he is really sick or not should not be brought up for discussion period

Anchor, you surprised me with the F.....ing sue me 2 remark, its out of character for you.



I have been coming here since it opened and I do think if you do not comply with the mods in what your response is you are not always banned............you are ignorred.....pure and simple

Sidekick has a valid point in his remarks on how it goes down in this forum


Its funny I keep hearing how FrancieJones got banned for putting up a private email recieved from Bill........Why is Lightwarrior still able to post when he indeed put up a PM of kinsuemei2 ? All I seen was it was removed and he is still around (not sure of his name ) I'm not asking that he be banned but I'm saying Rules s/b for all if applied fairly

No one deserves to be treated as they didnt matter. We all matter and should be treated as we would want to be. So banning and ignoring based on assumptions or disagreeing is wrong.

[Hiram]

mnTruthseeker,

You are a decent and beautiful spirit, I can feel it from your words. However, I think you are not really addressing the point that I am making. It is a fair and reasonable point and one that deserves an equitable response.

The question I posed further up was: "Is their (PCs) mission to provide a mouthpiece/soapbox for anyone who has any strange story or claim? ----without putting their personal opinion as site/project founders into at all?"

You are implying that in the event that Bill or Kerry makes the decision to pull/ not allow some information due to factors they feel make it veracity questionable...that the sources of that information are being "Treated as if they didn't matter".

I think you are being a bit extreme with that statement and bringing a bit too much emotion to what should be pretty basic. In other words you are making it personal.

I want to emphasize that I commend you for defending those people who you see as victims.

What you might not realize however, is that being mislead by faulty information victimizes people as well. And trying to protect people from lies and untruths is also an attempt to keep people from being victims.

You say you will not come forward and post on here for fear of being "asked for proof".

Is it so mean to ask somone for proof? Does it mean that your story is untrue because you have no proof? No. I think in that situation one would simply state: This is what happened to me, though I have no proof

I am absolutely certain that most on here would love to hear the story...some would believe, some would not...thus is life.

Its not mean, or cruel to ask someone for proof. If they can't produce it they simply can't. But in that case, a person must have SOME standards.

No one is being judged on "Typos". In fact, I don't think anyone is being judged at all. I think some information is being evaluated as to its likelihood. Most factors point to it being some sort of mixture of fantasy and fact. Unfortunately the proponderance of data suggests that it is contrived.

Hopefully we'll get some better information soon that will clear everything up.

I don't think anyone is a "victim" here...so we should drop that mentality.

[seeingterra]

Its funny I keep hearing how FrancieJones got banned for putting up a private email recieved from Bill........Why is Lightwarrior still able to post when he indeed put up a PM of kinsuemei2 ? All I seen was it was removed and he is still around (not sure of his name ) I'm not asking that he be banned but I'm saying Rules s/b for all if applied fairly


I just want to note I have written permission from Kinsuemei2 to post that info\PM, and he sent it to me in order to make an article out of it on PLW. Which I did, not published, but I can link it to you if you wish. In any other case (without written permission) I would agree with you. :)

EDIT TO ADD: A quote of my earlier statement in this thread, I feel it is relevant to your point (page 2)

I have a couple of personal remarks regarding this entire subject.

1. Release the material with personal disclaimers from Bill and/or Kerry if any of them wish to do so. The notes in the PDF file is more than sufficient in my view along with a personal disclaimer. Personal disclaimers has been done before on PC, and so it should be done regarding all subjects\whistle-blowers in all that is fair, in my view.

2. Do not for any reason release IP addresses or any personal details that can risk the identity of the whistle-blower, no matter what the case may be. This should go without question in all cases.

This is about all I have to say regarding this subject.

Best regards,

Tommy

[lightblue]

What you might not realize however, is that being mislead by faulty information victimizes people as well. And trying to protect people from lies and untruths is also an attempt to keep people from being victims.


Good point Hiram
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Hi Mntruthseeker

I say Shame on anyone that thinks they are authorative enough to judge one mans because of typos or IP address.

you use SHAME to express your strong opinion quite often here and elsewhere in your post.... in itself a judgement....or resentment...

[mntruthseeker]

Hiram You are right, I came here to pick up a name and this whole post was meant for another thread...........under banned and forgotten



I also was already informed that I was out of line for putting this here.

Makes no difference to me as what I said is the truth and most people here find that they are up against so many when they try to express themself

I meant every word I put and I would not change a word.

You mentioned that you were given permission but I want to say the words you put along with the email you put out here...............was very derogative and that puts a whole different light on the complete message.

I am very disapointed at the spin of things myself and being a long time member I have seen alot of people just quietly leave.

I do not know Kinsuemei and do not know what he is about but I do believe in equal rights no matter who or what you are. In fact we never chatted prior to any of this. I just seen an unfairness and got a sick feeling seeing how many sided against him and half never read the full thread.


So to those that find this offensive, I'm sorry but maybe you see for yourself that all of us do not just "follow the leaders"

[seeingterra]

You mentioned that you were given permission but I want to say the words you put along with the email you put out here...............was very derogative and that puts a whole different light on the complete message.

I will not argue with you on that specific point. But you should be aware I posted (in Kerry's thread) that I withdraw my earlier conclusions\statements in light of the information Kerry provided. As far as I knew Kerry concurred with this information at the point of Bill's postings, and I was afraid that I almost (perhaps) would publicly post false information on PLW. So I left the decision to Kerry herself.

That should sum it up

[morguana]

just to let you know that this post by mntruthseeker http://projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=239648&postcount=64 is now where it is suppose to be, however i will have to leave the original as some have replied to it here.
so from me i wish you all a fine night
m x

[mntruthseeker]

I will not argue with you on that specific point. But you should be aware I posted (in Kerry's thread) that I withdraw my earlier conclusions\statements in light of the information Kerry provided. As far as I knew Kerry concurred with this information at the point of Bill's postings, and I was afraid that I almost (perhaps) would publicly post false information on PLW. So I left the decision to Kerry herself.

That should sum it up

No and I wish not to argue either. I actually put this on the wrong thread as I indicated.

You did take it back and you know that was great and its not something you see very often. The point I was making was that if you have rules they need to keep them. I don't wish to see anyone banned from the forum ever........Just do not give a reason and then let it slip by for others. I hope you understand my point.

If you are going to have mods, then please keep it consistent and be honest.

Oh and I by no means do I feel a victim in any of this.

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

calling clark kent!!!! calling clark kent!!!! maybe he cant even be bothered anymore...... i know how he feels..:sleep_1:

[seeingterra]

No and I wish not to argue either. I actually put this on the wrong thread as I indicated.

You did take it back and you know that was great and its not something you see very often. The point I was making was that if you have rules they need to keep them. I don't wish to see anyone banned from the forum ever........Just do not give a reason and then let it slip by for others. I hope you understand my point.

If you are going to have mods, then please keep it consistent and be honest.

Oh and I by no means do I feel a victim in any of this.

Yes, I understand :) A very valid point indeed.

[Gnosis5]

One underlying theme being played out over and over on this forum is the testing of people's various levels of ability to confront various hard truths.

For example: When I was a kiddo I knew someone who was highly respected by the locals and who was secretly a pedophile. Why could I see it and they could not and even until the last inch of their breath would not accept what was very obvious to me, but I was just a kid..... :lightsabre:

When you find out how really controlled and manipulated we are and how advanced the black ops technologies and sciences are, how many people on your block are going to believe you?

The worst I am personally aware of is that they are advanced in bio-engineering, re-mapping consciousness, hyperdimensional sciences, and even weird occult practices. They are everything that a good negative polarity should have :-)

The good news is that polarities can be and are being collapsed. Please help.

cheers!
gnosis

[Reunite]

I don't want to be critical but Kerry has been endorsing alot of misinformation lately


Laura Knight-Jadczyk http://www.cassiopaeacult.com/caseevidence.php

Ashayana Deane (Anna Hayes) http://www.cassiopaeacult.com/caseevidence.php

Amitakh Stanford

and now this Heather material

Derek do you know who runs the cassiopaeacult?

Vincent Bridges.

Do a little research on the guy and you'll find out why he is trying to discredit
Laura Knight-Jadczyk. There is always an agenda.

Here are a couple of links to get started.

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/clarification.htm

http://www.cassiopaea.com/Vincent_Bridges_COINTELPRO_Agent/

Kerry's interview with Laura Knight-Jadczyk is actually one of the very few I look forward to.

[Hiram]

I observe that what gets played out continuously on this forum, is a debate about the validity of various sources of information, various parties, personalities and agendas.

This is good and as it should be.

Yet we all have different standards of evidence, and what we consider sufficient to sway our minds one way or another. Some of us are convinced that all information, no matter how "out there" should be weighed evenly in ones mind.

But weighed against what?? What view of reality to you espouse? How does one measure the information that comes in every day against what one seems to KNOW intrinsically? Have some of us had experiences so extreme, so far past the bounds of what many humans would consider reality as to almost make these experiences inexpressible through words?

I think so. If thats the case you speak your truth simply, gently and purely. This is not a court, and you don't bring your experience here to be judged as factual or not. You are simply sharing with those who will listen.

Some people will not listen. Thus is life.:cup:

To expect the moderators, and Bill and Kerry to mediate this information with no personal preference, with no prejudice, and with no standards, is at best unrealistic and at worst is just not fair.

WE just ask that they endeavor to try.

[Reunite]

A very valid statement Hiram. Hearing both sides of the story does make one's discernment process easier.

For every truth there is an equal and opposite truth viewed from a different perspective and ultimate truth lies within and above all opposites and all contradictions.

[lightblue]

Derek do you know who runs the cassiopaeacult?

Vincent Bridges.

Do a little research on the guy and you'll find out why he is trying to discredit
Laura Knight-Jadczyk. There is always an agenda.

Here are a couple of links to get started.

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/clarification.htm

http://www.cassiopaea.com/Vincent_Br...NTELPRO_Agent/

Kerry's interview with Laura Knight-Jadczyk is actually one of the very few I look forward to.

That's a very good find Reunite...thanks.
bw l

[monique]

hiram, i agree whit you, i must control myself to not post all was i think because my english is poor and i can't discuss the theme. we must remember what you say, "this is not a court ..." - that is significant, very important, when come around declarations about the matter that concern the truth ! monique.

[Anchor]

To expect the moderators, and Bill and Kerry to mediate this information with no personal preference, with no prejudice, and with no standards, is at best unrealistic and at worst is just not fair.

WE just ask that they endeavor to try.

I agree with most of what you say.

I think Bill & Kerry's job is different to the moderators.

This is my personal position: the moderators are here to moderate the discussions and forum - to keep forum working within the established guidelines, and broadly on topic (thought that needs work).

Again in my opinion - the moderators are not here to judge truth from falsehood (except for the benefit of our personal reading) - in that regard I maintain we are no different from the non-moderators.

The implicit requests that we do act as judge have obviously been a challenge to this view and it has caused significant debate both on and off the forum. We will work through that, and like before, we will progress.

A..

[Linda]

But as I've stated before on this forum...there is such a thing as being a free an open forum of ideas....and on the other hand allowing people to willfully stray into self-indulgence (by allowing them to drone on an on before a captive audience) and actively mis-leading people.

Should one who is presenting a story, have to provide some very basic substantiating data? If the party can't provide ANY info, then shouldn't the next step be for Bill/Kerry to look at the info an ask themselves if it adds/contributes value to their mission?


Did you not read his emails?

To me it sounds like he is TRYING to provide data.

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19907&page=7

snip:

I had already stated to Kerry in a audio interview that you did not know about the fact she was living with us, or that she was extremely scared, as my wife said you need more than facts I already gave to you, now if you did not hear the interview that's fine, but still no excuse for dragging my name through the mud.

snip:

I have
told Kerry I will give you what ever you ask for but not on the internet, I will come to CA and hand it to Kerry if needs be I have her phone numbers, BUT I WILL PROTECT MY FAMILY, you being upset about this won't change my mind and it does not excuse what you have done from the evidence I now have it appears intentionally now if you want to talk skype me, ----- just skype me and talk to me thats all I ask, I am a fighter by trade so if you thought this was going to be easy.. sorry I don't walk away from people and I am not intimidated by you, but if you can call me a liar you had better be able to do it to me because email wont cut it

snip:

but please sykpe me, you owe me that much respect at least whilst people are talking about me, in fact if you wish to give me a time I will make sure I am available to talk to you, I am not a monster or will shout and ball and scream at you, I was angry, now I am just mildley annoyed at this because so much of MY TIME has been clearly wasted on making what I thought were freinds and trying to help a person, you forget that I clearly state ON THE INTERVIEW that the heather material was hers and up to you guys, I only wanted to get my story out, oh yes her story was so unbelievable give me a
break, and my experience yes that is unbelievable I do give you that one, but to say that is to call many others liars too a good percentage of your ground crew at that point, if I were a dis-info guy I would have tuck tail and run by now but I am not I me and rather than censoring me, you should let me have my say.

tell me I am wrong? because you refuse to address my issues rationally or debate them at all, that only tells me that you have nothing to go on but a information I had already made you privy to, which was Heather was with us as stated when those emails were sent, the first few I wrote for her because she was ****ED UP excuse my french, I do or did not EVER deny that, so talk to me on skype and present me with something REAL or reactivate my account and stop slandering my name
All the Best Kinsuemei2

snip:

this is an outrage Bill you have posted comments about me that are untrue and you have disgraced my name, of course the emails were sent from my place again
Dr Anderson was with us, my family we set her up in a motel room, she even used our lap top, I took the names KilaSolai and Kane944 TODAY mind you to try to
reenter Camelot, now I can do this with my new name through a proxy mask, or you can reactivate Kinsuemei2 the choice is yours but make no mistake, I won't be talked about like a dog or have you refuse to answer my emails when you are clearly online here.

Now you missed the part when I told Kerry Cassidey about Dr Anderson staying with us and conveniently left it out of the blog you posted on Avalon... yes of course I read it, I am not stupid, I can mask and change my IP so you clearly must think me a fool... I did not mask my emails because they were sent from my rig of course as I did state in testimony to Kerry, now your assumptions are outrageous and I need more proof, in fact I would very much like to talk to you on skype and you can hear the pain in my wife's voice

snip:

I have no problem with Camelot and shall never tarnish that name, I was upset earlier but you don't know or understand me Mr Ryan, I have a daughter she is
6, I refuse to send anymore of Anderson's info on line, I told Kerry this, and whilst nobody has even bothered to check the location in Orlando, then you have no call on this matter.

snip:
I sincerely wish you the best and to the moderators who were only doing their jobs.
Kinsuemei2
P.S. I shall continue to promote and observe PC in a positive light, because one man makes a mistake that is not reason to protest the good work they have done, and I believe Duncans story and have no ill will towards him, but it's a free world and he can choose to believe what he wishes.

snip:

as I told Kerry in an audio interveiw, Heather was living with us, we put her up so of course she used my computer, and yeah I dictated a few emails once again I stated this in my intaial contact with Kerry that she would not come near the computer so this is a problem right now.

snip:

this sucks as Heathers info again as I stated I gave the meat of it to kerry and if they wanted it great if not who cared my objective was my experience and that was all. and I told kerry this but my interveiw was not released. now I am being censored, bill wont talk to me and I have to use proxys to look at info thats being posted about me, I kind of think the post should be stopped as it is getting into the realms of legality here, tell me if I am wrong?

snip:

I have also made the choice to continue to put out Anderson's work to great risk at this point, now if indeed Bill did do this to actually protect us, that also crossed my mind, as the best way to stop hard info from becoming a danger is to dam it. hence 17 years of David Ickes survival in a nutshell.

snip:
I promised some people in avalon that I will bring the information that I have to light, I have never hidden anything from Bill or Kerry, however I have never spoken to Bill in a one on one capacity, where as I have done so with Kerry many times and as I stated I have the logs to prove that.

No she was not with us when this happened, she had left not that long after, but she did still have a room account with the motel, my manager has said that he will sign an affidavit to this if needs be as the room was in her name, her real name, on record, the card on file was mine so that I paid but it does show that she was a guest, and I have that right now in black and white.

snip:

I mean it's very easy for Bill to drop this and take responsibility, but I have to deal with the fall out of this as now if anything happens to my wife or kids or myself we really have no where to turn to for advice or anything, but as I said in my You-tube vid thank god for some good people.

My main concern is my family as I have stated but , I will get this info out and I shall make sure that you do get to look at it, weather PC will be involved and I highly doubt they will, I shall still give you a look at what we have, but we are working on the distribution of this material.

=====

We all need to keep an open mind and do some research on THE SUBJECT MATTER because it is VERY important.
Just my 2 cents

[Anchor]

Linda,

thanks for doing this work

A..

[Hiram]

Thanks for the helpful conversation everyone as we flesh this out.

Anchor: You stated above "Again in my opinion - the moderators are not here to judge truth from falsehood (except for the benefit of our personal reading) - in that regard I maintain we are no different from the non-moderators."

I could not agree with you more. Indeed, your role here as a moderator is not to judge truth from falsehood, and thats the philosophical point I was making above. Yet, the subtle caveat to that point is that even though we all set out with the best of intentions, personal preference sets in...inevitably. I think that we have some very sensitive and perceptive souls on here and they are picking up on this preference.

None of us like being biased or judgmental (well some do:) but we strive to be as unbiased as our biased minds allow.

I think we need to move away from this idea judging new information and approach it more from an evaluative stance. You evaluate it against everything that you know and understand, and decide whether it is right for you. Some may call it a semantic difference but I am certain there is a distinct difference between Judging and Evaluating.

I was also campaigning for the right of Bill and Kerry to to evaluate information as well. I don't always agree with them, but I see which direction the ship is going and I wish to be on board. That is all I have ever wanted from life. To sail inexorably towards that star of truth, wherever it may lie.



I'm sorry for what happened with the Heather material...but we did in fact get to read it. So thats a plus. I think these things tend to work themselves out.

[Hiram]

Did you not read his emails?

"To me it sounds like he is TRYING to provide data."


Thanks Linda.

This is very enlightening and I appreciate it. I had not read these. He sounds frustrated, but it makes me wonder what he could have done to get himself banned in the first place?

As you can see, no one really stops anyone from posting as long as they do it in a friendly and respectful manner.

[AscendingStarseed]

[QUOTE=redtailhawk;239405.}

I grind mine from whole grain and make sure it is organic. There is no way that it could be cut with biological material...what a crock![/QUOTE]

Now don't get your knickers in a twist...the article I mentioned wasn't talking about organic flax seed, it warned to stay away from non-organic flax seed. I'm very much into herbal and natural supplements, so when I read this last year it got my attention. It was also one of the first times I had heard of synthetic humans and had forgotten about it until I read the Heather material.

It's hard to know what to believe anymore, all you can do is flag this stuff in our memory so when more intel comes in you can begin to connect the dots. Sounds to me as if there is some truth to:

1. Synthetic, or cloned humans...whatever they are.
2. Apparently there "may" be some truth to the fact that flax seeds are a by product of this technology. That's all I meant to say...which is enough for me to stay away from non organic flax seeds.

[CC4]

This Heather material was released because she died in a car accident while she was on the run, what does that tell you?
This forum is to promote ones ability to think for oneself. Just because Bill is is doubtful of this material does not mean one can make a snap judgement about it and just disregard it in total. This summer it looks like things are going to blow wide open and who's on first and who's on second is going to become very unclear. Making snap judgements ie, well these aliens must be all bad or they are here to save us is going to become very costly for some. Think it through and I would say that the government has some very dark secrets to hide and when they come out I hope people on this forum are not going to go into automatic denial because that would be a sad thing.
Critical thinking now is going to be very very important.
God bless and may the force be with you.

[Derek]

Derek do you know who runs the cassiopaeacult?

Vincent Bridges.

Do a little research on the guy and you'll find out why he is trying to discredit
Laura Knight-Jadczyk. There is always an agenda.

Here are a couple of links to get started.

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/clarification.htm

http://www.cassiopaea.com/Vincent_Bridges_COINTELPRO_Agent/

Kerry's interview with Laura Knight-Jadczyk is actually one of the very few I look forward to.

I wasn't aware of that. Thank you for clarifying.

[Karen]

Did you not read his emails?

"To me it sounds like he is TRYING to provide data."


Thanks Linda.

This is very enlightening and I appreciate it. I had not read these. He sounds frustrated, but it makes me wonder what he could have done to get himself banned in the first place?

As you can see, no one really stops anyone from posting as long as they do it in a friendly and respectful manner.
Bill Ryan, knowing that they have hoaxers coming at them from every direction, thought Heather JJ Anderson was made up by Kinsuemei2. The reported "death" of Heather (Heather now seems to exist and is not dead, she just tried to disappear herself) after several persons had tried to meet with her but were refused, the emails coming from the same IP, the writings of Kinsu and Heather looking similar and having similar writing style and spelling mistakes, lead Bill to conclude he was dealing with a hoaxer. Anyone hoaxing another person is automatically banned as stated in the forum guidelines.

Bill now admits that this was an erroneous conclusion. Kinsuemei2 is not a hoaxer and Bill should not have named him publicly. The life of Bill and Kerry is far from simple and is filled with complexity, agreements, disagreements, supporters, detractors, hoaxers, truthers and sometimes mistakes. Some of the threads crisscross to weave a picture that falls apart if you find one thread was misplaced. Something bigger goes on here than just the story allegedly told by Heather to Kinsuemei2, and passed on to Bill and Kerry.

[Linda]

Some of the threads crisscross to weave a picture that falls apart if you find one thread was misplaced.

Something bigger goes on here than just the story allegedly told by Heather to Kinsuemei2, and passed on to Bill and Kerry.

Hopefully Bill and Kerry will think of us and do the right thing.

We are all in this together and must know the ugly truth before it's too late.

I commend Kinsuemei2 for stepping up to the plate to warn us. He is a hero in my book and I hope that he and his family are safe.
You could only imagine what Heather and him must be going through right this second.
They both need our prayers during these revealing times.

[Christo888]

I can see why Kerry wanted to introduce the story.

Whether the material is a hoax or not I don't know but there is some extremely powerful material embedded within the story that adds credence to the unseen forces of nature at work.

Obviously the military is experimenting with subjects to try to reproduce and enhance these forces of nature within a human body. The failure of the military is that they are trying to force the enhancements of nature into a body that emotionally cannot understand how these forces work and hence total confusion will drive the psyche mad in many ways. Like giving a cup of coffee to a three year old or similar still give them a bottle of pop and watch them go nuts. The secrets of the Universe have built in protection mechanisms so that these forces of nature cannot be used in this way.

Without Truth, knowledge, and understanding partaken through actual life/soul experience by the individual they will basically 'blow' themselves up so-to-speak, as they cannot manage the enhancements or supernatural powers.

The protection mechanism that is built into the labyrinth of Universal power is like a combination lock and must be earned through experience of life to bring understanding in order to unlock those Universal power mechanisms. So when the military forces these mechanisms of enhanced Universal power in individuals it will always backfire, a meltdown every time. Maybe short term gain or results but long term disintegration.

There is only one way to properly unlock the combination of Universal power (this also drove Hitler mad trying to seize it) and that is contained in one of the Egyptian stories, for Universal power can never be stolen and when tried the 'Curse of the Pharaohs' kicks in. And that will forever be the failure of the military's experiments at the cost of many lives in the meantime.

The greed for power of having these enhancements is self destructive... that's why only the meek can inherit it, and that may not mean what many think it means.

[Seafury]

IMO as a scientist, I see nothing wrong with being discerning about what you present. I think the "risk" of losing a really good whistleblower is minimal...basically because the really good ones will have some substantiating info. They will. Plain and simple.



This pretty much sums up the entire issue. I don't need to sift through endless piles of nonsense information with absolutely no backing evidence whatsoever on the pretense of getting a handle on the "big picture" so that I can "discern for myself" as more of the puzzle reveals itself in the form of more endless reams of nonsense information. I'll only be alive for an average of 70 years on this planet.

The scientific method has merit. We're not discounting information out of hand here. We only want the bare minimum of rational thought to enter in when viewing new material. I've seen people showing emails of all kinds in this thread now, telling all kinds of backstory about this case, but guess what, you don't get that by reading the single pdf that's posted on the PC homepage. You get one short PDF with no idea who this person is and extremely important questions/comments posted by Bill that without any kind of answer make the material look completely ridiculous.

Perhaps if information like this is going to be posted on the front page of a website that gets millions of visitors Kerry should think about giving a better overview of whats going on, rather than shouting down Bill and making herself look like a fool to the average visitor.

[Majorion]

I don't need to sift through endless piles of nonsense information with absolutely no backing evidence whatsoever on the pretense of getting a handle on the "big picture"
There is one way, more or less, a person can discern hoax material from something true.

The truth is often boring, by nature, and the majority of people are putting a big spin on truth, whether it be MSM, disclosure, camelot, etc.

Truth is, people don't wanna be told the truth, they want to be told endless stories with endless plot twists all to make it fictionally interesting and more appealing. Only problem is, the minute you put spin in the equation, it is no longer truth.

Personally, judging from the PDF and with all common sense, the document is poorly written, the source is far less than trustworthy, the existence of "heather" is more than doubtful, and the material doesn't even qualify as good fiction, its that bad. On top of all that, the guy who claims wanting to protect his family more than anything has went out of his way to do just the opposite and attract as much attention.

[lightblue]

dear lindaHopefully Bill and Kerry will think of us and do the right thing.

We are all in this together and must know the ugly truth before it's too late.

I commend Kinsuemei2 for stepping up to the plate to warn us. He is a hero in my book and I hope that he and his family are safe.
You could only imagine what Heather and him must be going through right this second.
They both need our prayers during these revealing times.

-what's your idea of the "right thing" - what do you think should happen?
-who do you think is "US"? it certainly does not include myself for one..
-in supposing that heather material is true and genuine - how does this knowledge enhance your sense of empowerment? in what ways does it help you? what action would you take personally? being merely alerted and/or fearful does not help very much.
- if this material turns out to be hoaxed - would that fact erode your self-empowerment?

best wishes l

[K626]

It's difficult to comment on that pdf without more detail.

[SteveX]

Quite right Majorion. The more I've read of this fantastic tail (cyborg soldiers. 600 + kidnapped young men, bullet proof pyro guys, 911 connection, reptilians and super soldiers) the more I shake my head at myself for even bothering.

I was fair minded enough to re-read the blank PDF. I still think there's 2 authors involved. There seems to me to be 2 levels of grammar and punctuation.... but no longer think it's 2 stories spliced into one.

As we all know the level of literacy is sub par and not just for a MD/scientist. As a dyslexic (yes folks, I'm dyslexic and I use big words when not rambling on) I recognise certain grammatical spelling errors associated with using Word spell checker. I use it on nearly ever post. That PDF shows all the hallmarks. Spell checker won't flag the difference of shortened words i.e. defence & defences. There are quite a few short words here. OK no big deal because its only spelling / grammatical error. Then there are spelling mistakes, which you'll see if you transfer it to a Word. I don't, as a dyslexic, often pick up on spelling mistakes by others.

This literacy thing gave me some questions that needed answering. So I looked at the quoted e-mails above and a post by Kinsue (below). His level of grammar looks better than the PDF.

Can't be bothered to see if Kinsue uses the same phrases or words as the PDF. He just writes better in my opinion.

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=17244

Then we have this whole Shunger quote in the PDF, which I find very damming (spelling?) and I quote

"Project Ember
The following is straight from the log of Shunger"

What the heck is it with the powers that be? Do they only recruit scientist with basic level of written English. All those quotes from a supposedly different guy are just as bad as the PDF.

As a side bar. Another quote "once at my destination I shall send these CDS to you, we have made copies and Ben is going to send his CDs on Friday so that if mine do not make it his surely will." I would be fascinated if this did indeed happen. If so, which ones turned up and what where the post marks? Please don’t tell me only 1 turned up from Kinsue.

Also, the only safe computer is one not plugged into the Internet. So blasting e-mails around is really asking for it if there was an ounce of truth to any of it.

EDIT PS this'll be funny as hell if its a set up by disobedient hounds.

[Majorion]

Quite right Majorion. The more I've read of this fantastic tail (cyborg soldiers. 600 + kidnapped young men, bullet proof pyro guys, 911 connection, reptilians and super soldiers) the more I shake my head at myself for even bothering.
Thing is, I honestly feel sorry for the guy or whoever wrote this material. I sympathize with people who wanna get stories out, for years I've defended people like that and stuck my neck out countless times. But when fraudulent information comes out like this it does a great deal of damage to possibly real and/or similar information.

For example, super soldiers, and cyborgs and DNA experimenting and all that stuff, there's most likely a basis of truth for all of that, not many of us will deny that 'basic truth', but how on earth do we find extensive, accurate, and credible information on the matters when hoaxes are as common.

Bill Ryan's notes in the PDF were extremely intelligent BTW, especially the part where he exposes a portion copied directly from a military website. As I understood it, clearly a copy/paste job.

Without names, without certification, without any evidence, how can anyone take this poorly written information seriously.

Great job Bill Ryan.

[Seafury]

It's actually amazing that there was 4 pages worth of conversation to have about this material at all.

[SteveX]

and I forgot to mentions the portal / stargate thingy.

[Kulapops]

There is one way, more or less, a person can discern hoax material from something true.

The truth is often boring, by nature, and the majority of people are putting a big spin on truth, whether it be MSM, disclosure, camelot, etc.

Truth is, people don't wanna be told the truth, they want to be told endless stories with endless plot twists all to make it fictionally interesting and more appealing. Only problem is, the minute you put spin in the equation, it is no longer truth.
.

I couldn't agree with you more Majorion. I use the Kulapops acid test.

Known fact (the hook) + improbable fact (to fire the imagination or fear) = A Likely Story.

[K626]

I wouldn't write that whole plf off btw.

The whold telomere thing was put into black about 15 years ago, along with water based photo transparency of dna replicators. Two things needed if you're going to go ahead with some kind of subject/client mutation with regard enhanced ability.

[eleni]

This Heather material was released because she died in a car accident while she was on the run, what does that tell you?
This forum is to promote ones ability to think for oneself. Just because Bill is is doubtful of this material does not mean one can make a snap judgement about it and just disregard it in total. This summer it looks like things are going to blow wide open and who's on first and who's on second is going to become very unclear. Making snap judgements ie, well these aliens must be all bad or they are here to save us is going to become very costly for some. Think it through and I would say that the government has some very dark secrets to hide and when they come out I hope people on this forum are not going to go into automatic denial because that would be a sad thing.
Critical thinking now is going to be very very important.
God bless and may the force be with you.


Heather is not *dead*.......I got a PM from her the other day.

[zurx]

I just want to say, I think that when it comes to material such as this, it should not be released until some kind of corroboration comes out. The Connor O'Ryan story of Wendelle Stevens fame comes to mind. He sat on that story for TEN YEARS before releasing ANYTHING. With the nature of this material (looks like a 5th grader's attempt at story writing to me), in order to be taken seriously, some kind of proof needs to come out as well. Otherwise, it won't be taken seriously and will only cause problems.

[Truthseeker512]

Zurx, I agree. I love the stuff PC puts out but this and the Aaron McCollum interview just dont sit well with me. Also, with the lastest Burisch nonsense I cant help but feel a little worried about the integrity of PC. Maybe its just a blip we are going through.

[Céline]

Proving Truth today...is nearly impossible..

Expectations should not overwhelm reality

[lightblue]

Heather is not *dead*.......I got a PM from her the other day.

has she come back from the dead or has she never died? we won't know till the next episode..

[Lionhawk]

Greetings everyone. If I may address this audience at this time, as what I have seen here just more or less blows me away. On so many levels. And although I had high hopes that this PC/PA group would have embraced one of it's own members here, instead I find what I would term a crucifixion. I wish I could find other words to put it.

For one thing, what you are seeing is basically material that is well passed it's due date. Meaning this material was put together last year. Some of us have seen this material last year. Now that the cat is out of the bag, I guess my oath to secrecy on this material is no longer valid.

If someone claims sole responsibility and then places that responsibility onto others as a conditional thingy, to investigate it all out as to validate the material, I have to question that action as a reaction to something else. What I am about to say concerns a fairness issue. Here you go dropping the main gate on the forum and the next thing you know, all kinds of negative things start coming through. Who catches all the grief? So here are the Mods loaded up the ying yang with those issues and now you are going to dump this case on them on top of that? No wonder they have "thread closing syndrome". Mind you I am not blowing smoke here in the Mods direction. These people work for free as it is and spend so much time weeding all the crap that gets posted by whoever. I don't know how any of you choose to do that. What or how that rocks your boat will be an unanswered question in my lifetime. And Karen spends 18 hours a day? So why is that? I think a panel of other volunteers could have been put together to vet this material out instead of stacking it on a group of Mods that moderate a forum with their hands up in the air as it is. Now it looks like they are a panel of investigating judges.

Mr. Ryan............ I have always had a great concern for you and Kerry's welfare. Also Miriam's safety. I know how dangerous this whole field is. I also have the same concerns for Ben. Unlike you guys here on the top of this ORG, I have been up several nights, all night, because this man had to take his family out of where he was staying at in a split second to safety. On a couple of those occasions, Ben also got his neighbor (Heather out of there as well) I was here, 2 hours from Ben's location, ready to go at a moment's notice just in the case that he needed help. And if I was still set up like I was a year ago, I would have gladly put her up. Now since those nights have passed us by, I have since found a safe house so that if this was to occur again, I would be able to assist in these kinds of activities. Ben knew I was not able to at the time because all this was discussed. Before anyone here knew anything. The only reason why anyone here thinks they know something is because it is way passed the due date. Ben would not expose any of this during the times when this was occurring because to have exposed his efforts could have compromised the safety and well being of those around him at the time. Like his wife and kids for instance. And do you even know why any of us here would sacrifice our time, our resources, helping a brother or a sister here under this Avalon/Camelot umbrella in the first place, including the Mods? It is because we support the light you and Kerry and are attempting to shine for a better Planet. You represent a beacon of light and like moths we have come forth to the flame. Now Ben here is one of the moths and what do I find? A typical witch hunt based on an IP address excuse. Even I know as a rookie webmaster that an IP can come in different forms. Plus there are IT people even here who know these things, that could have told you that. So to me this IP issue is a crutch at best for something else that spurned you.

All I know is that Ben wasn't the one doing this super soldier work. He did try to assist in bringing it forth. He did what he could do to help. I don't think he has an agenda to make lots of money on book sales, CD sales, and so on unlike a lot of the ones that are. I don't see his name anywhere when I go to Barnes and Noble. So what would his agenda be? Especially when his health is on on the rocks. And just like anywhere in the world, the phonies are everywhere. I will tell you this Mr. Ryan, that you don't know yourself, who you have allowed in your circle, because of certain donations made that was also indirectly responsible for Miriam's accident. I will also tell you that the reason why her accident occurred was that she was so close to finding out who that was because she has that gift of sight. It wasn't as though she was looking for this person, but this person knew she would have had that ability to spot this person and had that person's cover blown. I will just gladly say that it wasn't anyone in this forum and let you do the rest of the mysterious math.

As long as I have known Ben, which is only since last October, I have never known him to be anything less than the warrior he is and I would be honored to fight right along side of him any day of the week. Which is more than I can say to those who have passed judgment in their own selfish speculations. The hypocrisy would make any true warrior want to puke. Then to top it off, at least Ben knows who is real friends are now and who he can rely on if that ever comes to bear. He will do it as a last resort. The man has a sense of pride, of honor, and is a rare breed. I wish I could say the same...... You know the ones that use the word RESPECT as a shield to kiss butt that only want to stab your back in the name of respect. Whooaa...........! I thought I had seen it all. Just flies on a carcass. It's on the record books now and even if a mod has a moment and wants to be the thread slammer of the day, those postings are already your property. You own it in terms of energy. And I wouldn't wish that on anybody.

Here's the deal and my opinion. This material isn't worth getting killed for. It falls into the second hand category. As with everyone who sees any of this stuff through a second hand medium. Such as your TV, computer screen, radio, media, etc. Even all the interviews that you have taped is second hand at best and much of that was based second hand to you. The information I have seen so far presented is intriguing and the probability of it being true is all speculative. There has been no proof as in tangible that you have shared with us. So it is no different than this PDF file if you have some common sense about you and can step out of your shoes and see it in someone's POV. I am better off getting out of my chair here and going outside and experiencing something in the first hand to prove it to myself than sitting in this chair wondering how I can validate anything through second hand mediums. But here's the difference, I didn't throw you under the bus for trying.

Maybe the real issue here is now that you started this whole quest, You and Kerry, maybe it is time to re evaluate what direction you want to go with this by raising the bar with this ORG. Give TPTB something to really grapple over. But first, I would lighten up the load on these Mods and let them do what they do best and clean out this forum. You have double agents here and all kinds of back stabbing people who only want to make sure that your goals and the ones we also support are never realized. This is more serious than you may realize. It also exposes everyone involved who is sharing in the support of this movement to serious dangers and I say that as a surviving warrior in this field. I am not trying to instill fear here as you can find many dead people along the side of this road anywhere you look. Ask Greer about his assistant for one. That is only one. Now in the last great war I fought in, no light worker lost their life. It also doesn't have to occur here. But if you continue to go after the ones that are contributing behind the scenes on their own power and no support from you, this road is going to end and there will be many statistics. I say this because in my mind, once we turn on each other, we hand the darkside a win that didn't cost them a dime. I don't want to go down that way.

Now mind you, I have watched this play out for what it is worth and it just hasn't been worth the direction it has gone in. We know these programs are out there. I understand what it means to validate what you have seen. I strive for that myself in my own work as it also lets me know that what I have seen is not a dream. It's called integrity and that starts at home as many other qualities also start there. So if someone is going to be dragged through the mud and put up on a cross for something that hasn't been proven out, then I may as well just walk away because there is no integrity in doing that. Just remember that the laws of attraction also apply here. I rest my case for the time being and for the record, I present you with this article of property. Good day Mr. Ryan.

P.S. Also for the record, this forum has members that have far more gifts and talents and amazing testimonials, than some of the Marketeers you have interviewed, all right here under your nose. The real heroes that have sacrificed their lives in the name of service and never charged for those services rendered because they know the soul is priceless.

[bashi]

There is a saying in India:

When the elephant passes by, the dogs will give way and can only bark.

Well done, Bill

[K626]

There just isn't enough information in the pdf to fall one side or the other I'm afraid Lionhawk. As I said in the banning thread and as I said in here, there should be a level of debate before judgements are made, there are many unknown machinations at work with regard to contributing on here (I myself have to be very careful at times). I returned to Avalon after a two year break cause on some things I have a possibility to make some important course corrections, in this shared reality. And I also think most can spot the types who are just hawking thier leatest cd of regurgitated information.

On the other hand it wasn't easy for Bill to make that judgement call I'm sure as he comes across as a guy with a sea of patience.

Peace.

K

[lightblue]

There just isn't enough information in the pdf to fall one side or the other I'm afraid Lionhawk. As I said in the banning thread and as I said in here, there should be a level of debate before judgements are made, there are many unknown machinations at work with regard to contributing on here (I myself have to be very careful at times). I returned to Avalon after a two year break cause on some things I have a possibility to make some important course corrections, in this shared reality. And I also think most can spot the types who are just hawking thier leatest cd of regurgitated information.

On the other hand it wasn't easy for Bill to make that judgement call I'm sure as he comes across as a guy with a sea of patience.

Peace.


you aree speaking as if from a position of authority...but you don't come accross as one...there's an attempt to sound vague..wonder why..
best l

[Linda]

The heart is where a true warrior speaks from. When you operate from the heart, all things are possible!

Thank you for coming forward Lionhawk.

I wish there were more true warriors like yourself.
Your signature says it all.

[Hiram]

"Here's the deal and my opinion. This material isn't worth getting killed for. It falls into the second hand category. As with everyone who sees any of this stuff through a second hand medium. Such as your TV, computer screen, radio, media, etc. Even all the interviews that you have taped is second hand at best and much of that was based second hand to you. The information I have seen so far presented is intriguing and the probability of it being true is all speculative. There has been no proof as in tangible that you have shared with us. So it is no different than this PDF file if you have some common sense about you and can step out of your shoes and see it in someone's POV. I am better off getting out of my chair here and going outside and experiencing something in the first hand to prove it to myself than sitting in this chair wondering how I can validate anything through second hand mediums. But here's the difference, I didn't throw you under the bus for trying."

Hi Lionhawk,

Thanks for your perspective. That is what we are sharing here is perspective, and our different versions of truth. Contrary to what many think, Truth is not a fixed point......so as you approach it, it is not necessarily where you thought it would be. It is ever moving, everchanging and ever-evolving.

Honestly, I have to say that contrary to you, I DON'T find this material all that intriguing. Second hand or no. It doesn't vary much from what many of us have already heard or know...supersoldiers, remote Viewing, Bio-engineering, nano-technology. This is not much new info here.

The worse part about it: The presentation of the information is atrocious! That point is not really up for debate at all. I understand someone was afraid, or someone dictated or some such thing.

So I say, fair enough, perhaps the story is true. Heather please sit down and sign up for membership on this forum and present your whole compelling story, slowly, and intelligently, in a cogent and cohesive fashion. I honestly look forward to it.

I'll weigh it against what I know, trying to keep an open mind. As stated in my previous posts I try not to get into the whole "Judging" business. Deciding that I don't necessarily embrace some of the data presented doesn't mean I'm being judgmental.

Also, if someone doesn't necessarily believe the message you're presenting, its not the worst thing in the world---there ARE worse things for certain.

We are capable of keeping level heads about this business, and not falling prey to dramatics. I fear this whole issue has become somewhat of a distraction. The posters really seem to be some wonderful people though:)

[mntruthseeker]

Thank you so very much LionHawk

I'm glad that you have more inside knowledge on all of this and have stepped forward.

I started to feel maybe I was crazy for believing in Ben but all that I have read in the threads. You gave me back my sanity

I guess I , myself was more angry at the critism Ben had to endure for coming forward. Yes, the information was a year old and you know what, I wonder why it took all of this to have it come out.

I hope Heather is not dead...........I'm glad someone got an email from her. Thank God she is not dead. Does Ben saying she is dead when she is not so bad ? No way, sounds like a protection job to me. She is scared and if I had this knowledge and came forward to be snubbed (IMO she was if she came forward last Oct ) I would run like hell too. It really doesnt make this whole story a lie.

[mntruthseeker]

I just want to say, I think that when it comes to material such as this, it should not be released until some kind of corroboration comes out. The Connor O'Ryan story of Wendelle Stevens fame comes to mind. He sat on that story for TEN YEARS before releasing ANYTHING. With the nature of this material (looks like a 5th grader's attempt at story writing to me), in order to be taken seriously, some kind of proof needs to come out as well. Otherwise, it won't be taken seriously and will only cause problems.

Well what about Dan Burisch ? His story has many different angles, but is it all a lie ? I don't think so, as said so many times, knowledge given was on a need to know basis. Who can we believe ? ourselfs is all I can think of.

[Karen]

I hope Heather is not dead...........I'm glad someone got an email from her. Thank God she is not dead. Does Ben saying she is dead when she is not so bad ? No way, sounds like a protection job to me. She is scared and if I had this knowledge and came forward to be snubbed (IMO she was if she came forward last Oct ) I would run like hell too. It really doesnt make this whole story a lie.

The impression I got was that Heather attempted to flee and disappear herself, having others report that she had died in a car accident. Ben appears to have been a victim of this part of the scenario rather than playing any part in perpetrating it. And maybe Ben got played on more than just that aspect of it.

[mntruthseeker]

Karen, Thats something to ponder. I wonder if we will ever know the true story. It was said that Ben thought she was dead and his friend was investigating.

Its not so far fetch from so many others I have heard or seen.

I just heard that Heather sent Bill a message so she is still with us and explained her standings on her not wanting to come forward. I can't blame her in the least. Its not a place I would want to be.

[Karen]

The latest at:
http://projectcamelot.org/ by Bill Ryan

A personal note about the Heather Anderson affair:

The document that Kerry made available for public scrutiny is a poor one, written by someone with an educational level inconsistent with that required of an insider scientist of any description.

On the Project Avalon Forum, Heather refers to herself as "Dr Anderson", and another member (Marco) who claims he knew her, refers to her as an MD (i.e. a medical doctor). I very, very much doubt that this is true.

Identical repeated typos - e.g. SOLIDER for 'soldier' - occur in Ben Murphy's writing. Ben Murphy is the Project Avalon member, named in the published PDF, who claims that Heather was a real person whom he knew, and who, frightened and on the run, stayed with him and his wife for a while.

E-mails from both Ben and Heather have identical IP addresses. However, Ben explains this by saying that all Heather's messages were dictated by her to him. He also states that this is the reason the same dyslexic mistakes (SOLIDER, etc) occur in both his writing and hers.

When all the above became clear, I accused Ben of hoaxing the material, and banned him from the Project Avalon forum. I apologize to him here as there was not enough evidence - and more on the subject of evidence follows below - to justify a definite ban as a hoaxer.

I was angry that Camelot was being played. Indeed, Heather does seem to have been a real person. Camelot may indeed be being played, but not by Ben. A number of people are working quite hard on getting to the bottom of this little tangle on the grounds that it's just possible that what emerges might be important and valuable. For instance, we've recently heard that Heather is not dead after all, but has recently sent a message stating that she is in Strasbourg.

In the meantime, my strong personal opinion is that this is a waste of Camelot's time, and that we should focus on real whistleblowers (and real people) with provenance who are able to produce compelling evidence to support their claims. It's unfortunate that any of this reached the public. At best, it's a distraction. At worst, this is a sting operation against Project Camelot with the intention of discrediting our research.

In my view, those following our work expect us to apply intelligent due diligence to cross-check information that comes our way before publication. Also in my view, we have a duty of responsibility as gatekeepers, respected and followed by tens of thousands of people worldwide, to check the provenance of the information we record and report as carefully as possible while working in an arena which is awash with accidental and deliberate disinformation. It's my personal commitment to do good, solid research while remaining open to genuinely new and startling information - because the universe, as Sir Arthur Eddington famously stated, is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose.

It's easy to make mistakes, or to be fooled by those with compelling cover stories and resources to back them up. I commend Kerry for her unstinting support for whistleblowers of every kind - and there are many kinds. We don't always get it right, and have both made mistakes. The nature of our work over the last three and a half years would have required one to be superhuman not to have been on a learning curve.

Our learning continues. We're pledged to share our journey with our readers and viewers. Kerry and I are united in our passion for the truth, and are both committed to giving our best to help the world become a better place through the free flow of information that has been withheld from the public by those who wish to control us for reasons of their own.

--Bill

[SteveX]

Game over

[Karen]

I just heard that Heather sent Bill a message so she is still with us and explained her standings on her not wanting to come forward. I can't blame her in the least. Its not a place I would want to be.

Just to clarify, as far as I know, that message (not an email) was not to Bill, but to someone else who passed along the message to the moderators and Bill, that HeatherJJAnderson (http://projectavalon.net/forum/member.php?u=10288), a member of this forum, is not dead. But again she is not responding to messages that request an in person meeting with her. Why? It could be, who knows, that she is just that terrified. It could be she is not where she says she is. It could be she is. Speculations and assumptions only get us running around in the wrong circles wasting time and energy . TPTB laugh - oh how they laugh at us!

[Seafury]

Karen, Thats something to ponder. I wonder if we will ever know the true story. It was said that Ben thought she was dead and his friend was investigating.

Its not so far fetch from so many others I have heard or seen.

I just heard that Heather sent Bill a message so she is still with us and explained her standings on her not wanting to come forward. I can't blame her in the least. Its not a place I would want to be.

OOOhhh, good information. Although I just heard that Heather has contacted Eleni and is NOT dead!!! [Six or seven posts previous] Seriously she has NOT been killed in a car crash and I can only say that I do not trust the sources of the disinfo that have been the source of this info. All I can say is that you should use your inner vision as a compass to discern for yourself what is true and what is not. It is clear that Heather is alive and well and speaking with Eleni and only time will tell whether or not the great truths of her personal struggle will surface within the tempest that is our deceitful reality to allow us a fleeting glimpse into that which is far, far beyond the matrix.

If it wasn't so sad I would laugh. Wait...I'm laughing.

[caspyan]

My opinion is almost all of this material is NOT genuine. It was written by someone who has read this website and culled bits and pieces into the Heather material. For example, I have a Master's degree and although my own writing is not perfect, even in a rush I don't degenerate into illiteracy (for long!). Also, there would be multiple people who would have had some knowledge of these programmes & also come forward.

So I've thrown my hat into the ring and risk ridicule if I'm wrong. Also, I don't want to criticise Kerry as she's done so much. I want to point out MANY things published haven't happened e.g. Earthquake predictions, and predictions of a nuclear attack on a large US city in October 2008, so things don't always happen as written on Avalon.org

[morethanever]

That anyone would even debate the validity of this schizophrenic rambling is shocking. Sometimes, quite often actually, people who claim to be insiders are in all actuality bat**** crazy. They aren't "insiders," they don't possess "corroborating information," they're just people with thought disorders and even beginning to take their accounts seriously leads to discrediting the investigators and the investigation and pollutes the narrative with stupid ideas like "omega 3 vitamins are made from super soldier corpses."

Bill and Kerry are both far, far too credulous. Most of the "whistleblowers" can be easily categorized as having thought disorders like Heather or whoever is speaking for her, or personality disorders like Burisch. Actually, the only person on PC who comes across in any way credible is Dan Sherman and even he seems like the kind of guy who could be a prankster.

[mntruthseeker]

Morethanever,

I guess some of us are not as "brilliant" as others and we did discuss this story.

Obviously I was one of these people. Its a good thing we have people that are higher in intelligence that can point this out to us so we can back away from all crazy mind controlled physicotic people

I personally do not think everyone that has been "mind controlled" is crazy, physco or all have thought disorders. I believe that many are in our military and I salute them for wanting to stand up for a Country that they believed in.


As far as I am concerned we all have been "mind controlled" for years. We are getting better though

I am not convinced of anything on this story yet. I see both sides put up their reasons. TTTTW says his identity was stolen and bank accounts closed and others reported the same. So why am I not surprised that she has no records of her identity ?

Not one person knows the true facts so its a shame that they try to pretend to. I say enough is enough. No one has to prove anything but be a better person and let it go without condemning anyone.

[Seafury]

I say enough is enough. No one has to prove anything but be a better person and let it go without condemning anyone.

I would agree with you if we were just talking about some factoid in passing regarding some "possible" whistleblower material, but we're not. We're talking about front page news on a website that sees millions of visitors run by people who have been working to establish themselves as some of the most credible resources of whistleblower information anywhere.

Then.....we get this.

Two giant steps back.

[Seafury]

From Bill:

In the meantime, my strong personal opinion is that this is a waste of Camelot's time, and that we should focus on real whistleblowers (and real people) with provenance who are able to produce compelling evidence to support their claims. It's unfortunate that any of this reached the public.

In my view, those following our work expect us to apply intelligent due diligence to cross-check information that comes our way before publication. Also in my view, we have a duty of responsibility as gatekeepers, respected and followed by tens of thousands of people worldwide, to check the provenance of the information we record and report as carefully as possible while working in an arena which is awash with accidental and deliberate disinformation.

I'd say that's the final word. It sounds like Bill may have even read this thread as he spear-headed the controversy that has arisen within it.

I think we'd be better off if Kerry stuck to her radio show and Bill became a one-man Project Camelot.

[ellie]

The one gift I do believe I have is viewing or reading material with nothing but my inner intuition. On viewing some of the Camelot interviews and transcripts I either get a yes, no or it is clouded. When it is a big yes I usually get excited, my breathing excellerates and I need to say something.

After reading all the posts above I thought I would pop over and read what was said in this material. I do not care if the material has a spelling mistake in every word what I am getting is this material is true, very true and it scared me..............

Now when P/A first started I was an original member under another name. Some of the original members here know who I am and I can call them friends. I wrote about what I saw in 2008 in one of my visions where there was DNA manipulation, cloning and horrific experiments going on underground, some of these dealt with humans and animals. I got angry when I viewed it as usually happens when I pick up something like this.

This person in a way is somewhat protected, if she wasn't she would not be still living now. Everyone here in the know understands the high technology that could be used to find a person. No one can really hide or run away anymore, so if she is still alive there is a reason we cannot fathom at the moment.

All I am saying is what I get and as I said when I read I got real worried and upset again because I knew instinctively that this was going on years back.

Calling all light workers................keep working please.

[mntruthseeker]

Ellie, you are not alone with your feelings. I can't seem to shake the doubt that has been pointed out for what it is.

I read what Bill has written but only one thing has changed since his first message. That is that Marcus called her an MD versus PHD or something like that. So many people make that mistake

I got in trouble once for speaking out as "some" just want this to go away now.

I hope it doesn't come back to haunt us. I will continue to pray for all of them involved where ever they are.

[Lionhawk]

Avoiding a controversy you say. Between who? The flies drawn to a carcass? Some of the comments mentioned in this thread remind me of the time when the world was still flat. The mentality being applied of those times. And the ones that stood up and said hey, wait a minute, that isn't right, are going to be blamed for creating such a controversy. Whhooooaaaaa! I am not here to point fingers as it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who said what.

All it is right now is just damage control. The damage has been done, now let's sweep it under the carpet and move on, right? Suck a lolli pop called compromise. And never find out the truth. Impressive! And everyone wonders why we are in this mess we find ourselves in. I'm just waiting for someone to come and say, "There is only love." Just to further distract us from finding out the real truth. Whoaa! once again!

But the bottom line is that one of our own brethren here has been compromised despite all of his efforts. Remember that when you may one day find yourself in the very same position and what is going to be played out will remind you of what happened here. It's so darn easy to sit in a chair and be an arm chair quarter back. You don't risk anything and that's the difference between you and the ones that do. They risk their lives, either to inform you because they are the warriors of truth and not the yellow bellies that hide behind a screen, calling the plays from a chair.

And to those, who have real compassion and a deeper understanding as to what has transpired here, I want to personally thank-you for sharing your wisdom. My respect for you only grows against this back drop. You know who you are and I sincerely appreciate what you have shared. And to those who need your fix, more carcasses will be forthcoming as you so well anticipate. Never forget the laws of attraction are always in motion and the carcasses you so desperately seek, will be your fly paper.

Next.....

[ellie]

An MD or PHD, one is a Doctor of Medicine, the other has a doctorate in their speciality.

I am not concerned one way or the other by other members or anyone else telling me off for my opinion. As an old member used to say.............been there, done that, sold the t-shirt.

All I am telling you is what I saw years ago and what I feel strongly about reading that material. It is shouting truth to me and I am not on this forum a lot.

I know for a fact that a lot of people would only talk the talk and not walk the walk when it come down to personal safety, that is a given and I don't know what I would do in that position, I certainly hope I would take the high road.

Until you all are in a position like that I don't think flagellating someone for stepping up and taking personal responsibility is a nice, caring thing........but hey you all have free will do what you want, except I am saying this is the truth because I said so.:tongue2::trumpet::lightsabre:

[mntruthseeker]

I hear you Ellie and I have my own stories. One involved a British Special Ops (not sure if that is correct ) He was my friends boy friend who went to meet her in Florida. I seen his pictures and he and his men dressed all in black with face mask. Right after he was in the States, they all went missing but his story also involved young boys and girls in Iraq. Story just like this one. Another RV friend of ours seen him in a cave. I was very naive and believed it as she said. A cave like they found Osama in. Yeah right, now I know what she meant.

It was hard following all this when you haven't got a clue about things. But I do remember what was said.

Wish I could remember the time frame so I could find the story that they ran on these five men that went missing. We searched the British news for information regarding the story and the obituaries. Had his name but it never showed up. Kit called his son and he yelled to never call back.
All we can think of is they somehow knew he repeated stories off the instant messanger they chatted on. Thats how she reached his son.

Yes, LionHawk, it reminds me of those days too. Nothing surprises me anymore and I have my own opinions and I dare to speak up. Lived too long in the dark

Just tired of arguing but I can't get this out of my mind. Reminds me of our justice department LOL

[mntruthseeker]

.....removed due to my friends request

[theneoilluminati]

I had just read the pdf and I was shaking as I was reading it. Seriously, my heart was beating fast.

Whoever wrote it, or wherever it came from, regardless of the trivial spelling errors and whatever else you guys are nitpicking at, there is information in there that is true.

Forgive me for being presumptuous, but it looks to me as if a lot of the people who are calling B.S. on this have never been in any of the government mind control projects or don't know what it's like to have all kinds of weird stuff happen to you.

I'll admit I'm not buying the entire story just yet, but I know there is some truth in there; the surgeries, the augmentations, project names, ect.

One thing someone should try doing is see if there is some kind of algorithm or a pattern in those shutdown codes. If they are real, I doubt they are just randomly typed out.

One point was brought up in there about being able to survive in space. You would probably need to at least decompress first, but this kind of stuff is no joke. You get the idea of what we can do. They aren't messing around when they build things like this.

What I'm concerned about is that one day people will start saying that those who are from the super soldier projects, or whatever other projects that have a bunch of cyborgs running around, are suddenly a huge threat to everyone's safety and need to be rounded up. With propaganda, they seem to be able to turn people against the silliest of things; how hard would it be to turn everyone against a bunch of augmented killing machines, each one capable of wiping out an entire army by him/herself?

[zurx]

It makes me sad in many ways that apparently this Heather material was the straw that broke the camel's back regarding Kerry and Bill going their own ways. Obviously they will both continue under the roof of Project Camelot, but they will be running their own, separate websites and projects from here on out. Sad... I guess it's meant to be? I really hope it's for the best... the words "divide and conquer" keep ringing in the back of my head...

[Linda]

It makes me sad in many ways that apparently this Heather material was the straw that broke the camel's back regarding Kerry and Bill going their own ways.


Yes, Kerry fought for FREE speech and wanted to present more information so that we could decide if it rang true.

Instead threads were closed, it was called a waste of time to pursue it...and we never saw anything except for the pdf.

Very sad indeed.

[joel77]

I have just come across this heather materiel and read it for the first and i have some observation regarding the writing style.

I am dyslexic myself so i easily recognise dyslexic writing.
the heather documet is definatly writen by a dyslexic person.
the missing out of words, re arangment of letters and what seem like school boy spelling and grammer and classic signs of someone with cross lateral word blindness.

however this does not mean the person in question could not be a docter or have university level education.
dyslexic people tend to have the very highest IQ,s in socioty and often make excellent scientists or academics if they can learn to handle there disability,s

for example einstein was severly dyslexic and so was tesla i belive.
i myself have an IQ of 141 and my reading comprehension is in the 1st percentile (top 1% in uk) but i find it hard to string a sentance together without the use of study aids.
that said i have bsc (bachalor of science) in musical instrument tech (guitar making) and passed with a 1st.

i would expect a dyslexic scientist or docter however to produce any inportant document allmost perfectly instead of filling it with common dyslexic errors.
the reason for this is that for a seriously dyslexic person to produce academic level work they would have a huge number of study aids such as dragon speaks, mind map and other programs that automaticaly correct gramatical errors that are common with word blind people and would also help with the structering problems the heather document suffered from.

someone at govenment level would have the very best software to avoid mistakes like the ones presented in the heather documents.

for this reason i feel the document is a fraud and i feel bills first insticts were valid.

also dyslexic people will have standard misstakes that they use on a regular basis mine is ie i allways write ei instead (for example freind instead of friend) i know i do this but still do it allmost every time.

the writer of the heather document will have simalar issues and if these can be placed against someone eles,s work the real writer could be found (it would probaly be then claimed that document was dictated but if this was the case a government scientist would definatly use speech recognition software (dragon speaks) instead of dictating it to a dyslexic person with no study aids).

i am not sure if the fact that heather is dead has been proven (if she is real i very much hope she is alive and well) i read a passing comment that she tried to dis apear herself but until she comes forward to at least meet an investigator in person (i suggest bill ryan) then the story can never be coroberated.

anyway my point is that being dyslexic does not deny you access to academia or indeed high level government jobs but at that level the dyslexic person would be so good at coping with there dyslexia that it would be hard to tell they were indeed dyslexic from a word processed document.

with the nature of the heather document you would think the writer would have paid special attention to gramer etc becouse major dyslexic mistakes would automatcaly detract from the authenticity of the document (as indeed it has).
as such a person who was used to writing military reports would take special care to avoid such mistakes (they would not be recived well within a military enviroment).

Before you say any thing yes i do use these programs when writing academic papers but i dont use them when writing on forums:tongue2:

Joel.