Great Pyramid - Working model of subterranean section

[John_Cadman]

Greetings,

Back in 2000, I built a scale working model of the subterranean section of the Great Pyramid. It is only the subterranean section and I don't know the total purpose of the entire Great Pyramid.

The subterranean section is a water pump (by-product) and a hydraulic pulse generator (primary function) It agressively resonates the King's chamber.

This layout is completely different than Edward Kunkel's work (The Pharaoh's Pump) and it does work. I am not affiliated with "The Pharaoh's Pump Foundation" in any way.

It has been in Dr. John DeSalvo's book, "The Complete Pyramid Sourcebook" and Edward Malkowski's book, "Ancient Egypt, 39,000 BCE"

Supported and endorsed by Dr. John DeSalvo, Dr. Patrick Flanagan, Dr. Kirti Betai, Joe Parr, Chris Dunn, etc.

The latest vids for Project Camelot (please note that this is for general public and shows the water pump aspect)

Part 1 (10 min.) Background info (topographical / layout)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O25Xh7nszxs

Part 2 (10 min.) Actual subterranean chamber pictures and water flows (from ink injection)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W89tj-2v3Wc&feature=channel

Part 3 (3 min.) Specific reason for subterranean chamber's pit 45 degree offset (not "changed their minds")

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPm7LEr6YXw&feature=channel


Running model with explanations - Part 1 (10 min)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icdjLscbwMI&feature=channel

Part 2 (6 min.):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpVlbFG0-Js&feature=channel


John Cadman
Bellingham Washington

[truthseekerdan]

Welcome John,

I will check your videos soon. Thanks!

[John_Cadman]

Thanks for the welcome, truthseekerdan.

I've posted on many forums over the years. I'm a big fan of Bill Ryan & Kerry Cassidy. Nice to see that level of intelligence.

I was talking to Kerry briefly on whistleblowers radio (waiting for Bill Deagle) and she wanted me to explain my Great Pyramid research in 30 seconds. I put together the 23 minute vid that night as being the most condensed and simplistic version that I could do.

Anyways, the full function is so much more advanced when one considers that the King's chamber is a free standing quartz resonance chamber.

One of my youtube vids is Chris Dunn and Jack Kolle. Jack Kolle is the absolute godfather of all modern day hydraulic pulse generator applications. (offshore drilling, "look ahead" drilling, mining apps, . . .) At one point he said to me, "Do you have any idea how loud it would be in the King's chamber?" And then he started talking about the reflections of the compression waves off the exterior surfaces of the GP.


Best,

John Cadman

How do you get an avatar upload? Can't seem to find it.

[sunflower]

Thanks, John, for the video links. So from Camelot Radio to Avalon Forum: we benefit from the interlinking.

Re your avatar: google avatar or PM King Lear. He has recently added sunglasses to his ::lol3:

[Majorion]

when one considers that the King's chamber is a free standing quartz resonance chamber
Now that I'd like to hear a little more about.

Will watch the videos and get back to this thread soon enough, thanks.

[John_Cadman]

The K's chamber is freestanding from the limestone masonry surrounding it. It is rose quartz granite which is 55% quartz crystal. (piezo?)

Many, many people have done acoustical testing of the room and conclude that it is a "tuned" room.

The subterranean chamber shoots a massive compression wave directly towards the K's chamber.

Since this is projectcamelot forum, maybe people reading are part of the 3% - 15% of the population that has the recessive genes and are awakening. Maybe we can go much further and deeper.

On normal forums, I hit a massive wall of (?? ignorance ??) where only the pump aspect can possibly be accepted.

http://sentinelkennels.com/GPimages/CompressionWave.jpg

The room incorporates fluid dynamics and acoustical dynamics simultaneously. Whoever built this thing is beyond genius (not me).

http://sentinelkennels.com/GPimages/GreatPyramid19.jpg

John Cadman

(I have dogs, but added the original research article to the dog site)
http://sentinelkennels.com/Research_Article_V41.html

[John_Cadman]

Water supply for Great Pyramid:

Absolute fact - Lake Moeris existed. It was the size of Lake Erie. It had a artificial canal from the Nile. It was higher than the base of the Great Pyramid.

There are miles and miles of water tunnels all over Giza plateau & southward.

Can you spot the remnants of Lake Moeris?

(from google maps)

http://sentinelkennels.com/GPimages/google_maps_moeris.jpg

John Cadman

[sunflower]

Hi John, I checked out your website. I don't have a scientific background so I will have to reread everything carefully. I am in awe of the work that you have accomplished. Thanks again for sharing.

[Tango]

John, Still need the horn's... to create the vibration [Frequenices] to drive
the K. chamber... Welcome, John... Chris Dunn... Now your talking...
Have you found the switches; valves; Wire....

Once again, Welcome...

Trooly,


Tango


Thanks for the welcome, truthseekerdan.

I've posted on many forums over the years. I'm a big fan of Bill Ryan & Kerry Cassidy. Nice to see that level of intelligence.

I was talking to Kerry briefly on whistleblowers radio (waiting for Bill Deagle) and she wanted me to explain my Great Pyramid research in 30 seconds. I put together the 23 minute vid that night as being the most condensed and simplistic version that I could do.

Anyways, the full function is so much more advanced when one considers that the King's chamber is a free standing quartz resonance chamber.

One of my youtube vids is Chris Dunn and Jack Kolle. Jack Kolle is the absolute godfather of all modern day hydraulic pulse generator applications. (offshore drilling, "look ahead" drilling, mining apps, . . .) At one point he said to me, "Do you have any idea how loud it would be in the King's chamber?" And then he started talking about the reflections of the compression waves off the exterior surfaces of the GP.


Best,

John Cadman

How do you get an avatar upload? Can't seem to find it.

[Majorion]

John, are you of the belief that there were vital components removed from the chamber, that would technically prove what you say 100%?

The ancients use of resonating crystals and harnessing energy I have been informed by more than one intel source. One has even confirmed real stargates like the sun gate at Tihuanaco, there is a picture of it has two empty slabs in the sides of the doorway, the explanation I'm told is that these were where the resonating crystals or some other vital components were placed for activation, and the "lost" civilizations aren't so lost and actually somewhere amidst the stars, left only their majestic ruins. I find it all incredibly fascinating.

BTW, for some odd reason, your link is a blocked URL on my ISP, I don't know why, but my only guess is your information is probably rock solid stuff. :)

Cheers

[John_Cadman]

John, are you of the belief that there were vital components removed from the chamber, that would technically prove what you say 100%?

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BTW, for some odd reason, your link is a blocked URL on my ISP, I don't know why, but my only guess is your information is probably rock solid stuff. :)

Cheers

Things were removed. My vids show 2 examples of things that are documented from reliable sources that were removed. I'm not sure what the pyramid did. I'm showing my part of the puzzle that I know is 100% correct. I'm just leading with possible directions that I have encountered.

I would love for somebody to solve the whole unit. I can share what I know, but it is beyond me.

LOL - - my link is to my Black Russian Terrier website (a specific page)! The research article was done ages ago and is a massive compilation of data. (It's a hot mess) Since I had the dog site, I just uploaded the research page so I could share it with various colleagues. Absolutely nothing "tricky" or subversive about my web site.

The pyramid "thing" was analagous to the "mashed potatoes scene" in "Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind". It was a vision quest. The solution came to me, get this, 12/31/1999 at around 7pm. (The last moments of the millenium) Even Chris Dunn said that "mashed potatoes scene "was his vision of the creation of the pump model.

[John_Cadman]

John, Still need the horn's... to create the vibration [Frequenices] to drive
the K. chamber... Welcome, John... Chris Dunn... Now your talking...
Have you found the switches; valves; Wire....



I think Chris is right about the helmholtz resonators in the Grand Gallery. His documentation in this area is excellent.

I primarily focused on the subterranean section and topography.

About twice a year, I post to various forums to see if there's any interest. I get the most bizzare comments then I usually get blocked or editted. Even Mythbusters forum editted my posts on the topic that I started. I submit it to them about once a year to encourage them to build something of this significance. bullet proof corsets - yes . . . Oldest (and most advanced) machine on the planet - no. Weird

I figured if Mythbusters built it and it ran (and I know it will) then it would be on TV and everything on TV is real:wall:. Therefore the general masses would believe it. (at least the pump and water locks part):thumb_yello:

I guess Kerry watched part of the first vid, and then sent links to Dr. Pete Peterson & Jordan Maxwell (per my request). I know she and Bill are ridiculously busy. I just hope they get a chance to watch and grasp the implications of this.

John

[John_Cadman]

I am in awe of the work that you have accomplished. Thanks again for sharing.

First off, thank you for the compliment. The work (graphics & ink injection) was done to convince Chris Dunn. (It took awhile - 6 years)

I'm all for sharing and I'm not holding anything back or trying to charge for the info. It's actually really hard to get the info out! I'm always trying new avenues but somehow it just doesn't go anywhere. Weird.

I feel like Bob Dean at times. This is part of the biggest story in human history and it seems like hardly anybody cares. It is overwhelmingly proved and the model is running as I type this (pumps water 400' for my dogs . . . the irony)

The sub chamber design is very, very advanced. It's almost like finding the "Terminator's" chip and reverse engineering it. I had to build it to understand it.

The Great Pyramid came from a great civilization.

John

[Tango]

Explain, please... You, get blocked or edited...? Don't, think it gonna happen here.

So, your research is the recovery process... Not, the Frequency Generator... OK... Alrighty Than.

I'll stand down; let you explain the above question... But, you have My attention...

Trooly,


Tango



I think Chris is right about the helmholtz resonators in the Grand Gallery. His documentation in this area is excellent.

I primarily focused on the subterranean section and topography.

About twice a year, I post to various forums to see if there's any interest. I get the most bizzare comments then I usually get blocked or editted. Even Mythbusters forum editted my posts on the topic that I started. I submit it to them about once a year to encourage them to build something of this significance. bullet proof corsets - yes . . . Oldest (and most advanced) machine on the planet - no. Weird

I figured if Mythbusters built it and it ran (and I know it will) then it would be on TV and everything on TV is real:wall:. Therefore the general masses would believe it. (at least the pump and water locks part):thumb_yello:

I guess Kerry watched part of the first vid, and then sent links to Dr. Pete Peterson & Jordan Maxwell (per my request). I know she and Bill are ridiculously busy. I just hope they get a chance to watch and grasp the implications of this.

John

[John_Cadman]

Explain, please... You, get blocked or edited...? Don't, think it gonna happen here.

So, your research is the recovery process... Not, the Frequency Generator... OK... Alrighty Than.

I'll stand down; let you explain the above question..

Tango,

Being projectcamelot forum, I figured I wouldn't get blocked here.

Example of editting - from Mythbusters forum . . . my topic . . . see bottom of post

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Posted 01-27-10 02:53 PM Apologies, also. I like intelligent work and the internal ramp theory is vastly superior to the external ramp. I've read everybodies work about ancient Egypt. I embrace all the data that can be verified. As can be seen on the quick vid, I used the Oriental Institutes graphics (Mark Lehner/Zahi) to show what existed. Nothing "oogie-boogie". Ultra conservative data.

My background was being the chief engineer on a couple king crab boats (Retreiver from "Deadliest Catch" season 2 & Bulldog). If something's not practical or fragile piece of crap then it was "float test" time.

The pump was built 10 years ago and is still running. It is exactly what was at Giza.

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It is a frequency generator . . . a pulse generator for the K's chamber.

No need to stand down. I'm seriously not hostile and am very willing to converse about all sorts of alternate possibilities.

I think the GP's sub chamber energized all of the (300+) true pyramids that were on the limestone slab of the western bank of the Nile. (Since it is a continuous slab of limestone)

John

[GregorArturo]

So Tango was yelling at me across his house tonight to check out this thread so I considered it must be important. And eureka, I call this synchronicity. Not even an hour ago did a make a major breakthrough in my free energy research while sitting in from two models I made recently: A cuboctahedron and a merkaba model. What I realized tonight directly reflects what is being discussed right here, and this experiment performed on the thread solidifies my theory. The so called “free energy”, or “zero-point” energy was sitting right before my eyes for quite sometime now.

So there are three important concepts at play here:

Magnetic Flow of Materials: Water is the most common liquid diamagnetic material (Subterranean Chamber). Limestone is an extremely paramagnetic substance (Pyramid). Pink granite is reported to be very paramagnetic (King's Chamber). The capstone as spoken through Edgar Cayce was made out of an alloy of several metals, which I believe was a ferromagnetic alloy. The strongest permanent magnet (ie ferromagnetism) on this planet is an alloy of neodymium (60), iron (26), and boron (5), which are interesting numerically; as the number of protons reflects the material's geometry and thus its properties in terms of how the vortices produced from the atom (singularities) interact with the vaccuum.

Vortex Geometry: The pyramid is based on quadratic geometry, which when viewed in terms of close sphere packing, consists of one sphere atop four other spheres. In terms of vortex structure, the top sphere is rotating the opposite direction of the four spheres below. When viewed from the bottom of the pyramid, the four spheres are black holes, while the single sphere is a white hole. The energy the single sphere puts out is four times greater than just one of the other spheres.

Yin-Yang Effect (First public use of the term): Some people call this gravitic coupling. This basically implies how opposites attract. Basic notion here is that diamagnetic substances and ferromagnetic substances (usually people just say magnetic) work together and there is greater energy output within the system. Two human hands, made out of water and hydro-carbons, all diamagnetic substances, held apart to form a vortex. Some of us may be familiar with this little activity, especially reiki healers and energy workers, ie creating an energy ball. In between your hands, you are creating a magnetic field, while your hand chakras are creating a magnetic field in the opposing direction. I recommend reading about diamagnetism, paramagnetism, and ferromagnetism to truly understand this effect.

Conclusion: Putting this all together with an understanding of its fractal nature, this implies that the limestone dramatically increases the magnetic field of the magnet, which in turn is able to magnetize the King's Chamber. This magnetized central vortex then causes the water to flow in the subterranean chamber due to the Yin-Yang effect.

[GregorArturo]

I just realized that probably the next post will be "What about the frequencies!" Good point to the future who ever was going to bring that up. The acoustic sound would tune the water to the same frequency of the magnetic field to better resonate with the system. If the water can fluctuate at the same wavelength as the field produced by the pyramid, then the water would react accordingly (Yin-Yang effect).

[Tango]

John, Oooh... You WON'T get blocked here... Looked over your working
model... Nice Job... I'm trying to awaken one... GregorArturo... That, is my
goal... This Could be one of those IMPORTANT threads... Why, Do you think it is
important to Kerry....? If, you can write often there, is NO NEED for an

Interview... Keep hammering away [humor]...

Trooly,


Tango

Tango,

Being projectcamelot forum, I figured I wouldn't get blocked here.

Example of editting - from Mythbusters forum . . . my topic . . . see bottom of post

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Posted 01-27-10 02:53 PM Apologies, also. I like intelligent work and the internal ramp theory is vastly superior to the external ramp. I've read everybodies work about ancient Egypt. I embrace all the data that can be verified. As can be seen on the quick vid, I used the Oriental Institutes graphics (Mark Lehner/Zahi) to show what existed. Nothing "oogie-boogie". Ultra conservative data.

My background was being the chief engineer on a couple king crab boats (Retreiver from "Deadliest Catch" season 2 & Bulldog). If something's not practical or fragile piece of crap then it was "float test" time.

The pump was built 10 years ago and is still running. It is exactly what was at Giza.

This message has been edited. Last edited by: mod_ivy, 01-27-10 03:00 PM:mfr_omg:
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It is a frequency generator . . . a pulse generator for the K's chamber.

No need to stand down. I'm seriously not hostile and am very willing to converse about all sorts of alternate possibilities.

I think the GP's sub chamber energized all of the (300+) true pyramids that were on the limestone slab of the western bank of the Nile. (Since it is a continuous slab of limestone)

John

[John_Cadman]

The acoustic sound would tune the water to the same frequency of the magnetic field to better resonate with the system. If the water can fluctuate at the same wavelength as the field produced by the pyramid, then the water would react accordingly (Yin-Yang effect).

Water and vortex are both key elements in the pyramid system. Hakim said that the pyramid was a machine that ran on water and that the "waterman" represented "the person that had the knowledge of the water". The waterman is directly linked to the pyramids. Hakim also said that my model was the correct representation of the subterranean system.

http://sentinelkennels.com/GPimages/GreatPyramid60.jpg

I have encountered numerous anomalies from this system.

Dr. Patrick Flanagan ("Pyramid Power" with loads of experimental data) has since went on to producing water that the angle of the molecular bond is altered.


One anomaly that I encountered this winter is bizarre algae growth at the tail end of the vortex pipe (waste gate which would have exited at the Nile)

I just uploaded a vid of this growth. Background: New pipe, new plastic bucket, no water running through it until November this last year. I'm up by Vancouver, B.C. and November - present are the dark months. Algae generally doesn't grow much this time of year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLAHZJTwPGc

The pond has virtually no algae growth. Any ideas anybody??

BTW, the vortex used to spin the wastegate valve. I also had the most mysterious anomaly with this in the past. The only thing I can gather is that it has something to do with Schauberger theories.

John Cadman

[John_Cadman]

Why, Do you think it is
important to Kerry....?

Kerry had done an interview on whistleblower's radio with Michael Tellinger who is doing research in South Africa. Tellinger's work is documenting a huge civilization that existed down in South Africa during "pre-history" (Adam's Calendar) This corelates to the Egyptian civilization during time of the pyramids (pre-flood - pre-9750BC)

Kerry and Tellinger were talking about Egypt and she was talking about how interested she is in Egypt.

I actually think it is a better subject for Bill Ryan because of his mechanical background.

Also, for some reason, few know about the "Carolina Bays" and the Clovis event. Both circa 9750 BC and the turning point of the ice age.

http://sentinelkennels.com/GPimages/CarolinaBays.jpg

(Carolina Bays = 500,000 oblong craters in eastern US that have been carbon dated to 9750 BC)

Also, see the "Clovis layer" or the "Clovis event" or the "Clovis meteor" or "Clovis asteroid". 1" layer of ash & dust across the US with iron particles & "nano-diamonds". Fossils below and none above . . .

BTW Your friend, Arturo, is a genius.

John

[Tango]

Kerry had done an interview on whistleblower's radio with Michael Tellinger who is doing research in South Africa. Tellinger's work is documenting a huge civilization that existed down in South Africa during "pre-history" (Adam's Calendar) This corelates to the Egyptian civilization during time of the pyramids (pre-flood - pre-9750BC)

Kerry and Tellinger were talking about Egypt and she was talking about how interested she is in Egypt.

I actually think it is a better subject for Bill Ryan because of his mechanical background.

Also, for some reason, few know about the "Carolina Bays" and the Clovis event. Both circa 9750 BC and the turning point of the ice age.

(Carolina Bays = 500,000 oblong craters in eastern US that have been carbon dated to 9750 BC)

BTW Your friend, Arturo, is a genius.

John

He is here... In my home... He's built some model's... I'd like to send him your
way... Got him some wire... so, he can start to build... He needs more 'hands
on' experience... Ahhhhh.... To, be in your twenties.... He's got the usual
distractions... But, I think he'll settle... He just has to learn how to DEAL with
THOSE Distractions...

One can see many things when one flies... Looking down over the land...

As you know there are hundreds and hundreds to find... HOW things Really were Not just there... Machine's...


Trooly,


Tango

[John_Cadman]

Another anomaly from the subterranean vortex . . .

This picture was taken on 5/5/2000. I had used a very short pipe for the waste gate line (3' instead of 40') I started it running and came back in about 45 minutes.

When I came back, a small stick was stuck in the valve and water was spraying at the brass pipe (quick variable weight) that was above the valve.

The picture doesn't do it justice, but the brass was deep purple, just like I had used a torch to heat it up. 45 minutes or less . . . !!!

The pipe was permanently purple.

The only explanations I can come up with are related to Viktor Schauberger and vortex thermal transfer. Haven't heard anything different yet.

http://sentinelkennels.com/GPimages/Purple_pipe_5-5-2000.jpg

John Cadman


Tango,
To be 20 something, male, genius generally means massive distractions! Spring time in Washington state is severely distracting . . . the sun is shining and it's shorts time.

BTW We've had a great winter and it's 50 degrees and sunny today. The poor Olympic committee! (I'm just south of Vancouver B.C.)

[observer]

It never made sense to me, all of those giant slabs above the Kings Chamber, and the "accepted scientific explanation" that they were there to relieve stresses on the roof of the room. Seeing the Kings Chamber as a massive resonating chamber sheds a whole new light on this mystery.

There's a new thread over in the Avalon side about the "Pyramid Code" (http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20169), and a video about how some scientist feel the pyramid was some sort of generator of "subtle energy", or telluric currents, the phenomenon that Tesla was working with when he was lighting bulbs on a stick poked into the ground. Note, how they came to these conclusions because of the nature of the type of limestone used to build the "core" of the pyramid, i.e. dolomite, with a high magnesium content. (conductive)

(see all five parts of the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQdLLvyS7w0&feature=player_embedded#

Sorry I'm giving you so much to look at, but this is all foundational to my question.

If the hypothesis of the "Pyramid Code" is accurate, i.e. that it is a massive subtle energy generator. And, if your hypothesis is also correct, that the pyramid was a hydraulic water pump. And further, it is felt the Kings Chamber is a resonance chamber. Than, my question is, to what frequency can the clapper in the ram-pump be tuned?

Is it possible to tune the cycles per second of the impacts to, say, the Schumann resonance? Can these mechanical impacts be "tuned" to resonate at a certain frequency? Is it possible the pyramid was designed to be some sort of giant "transmitter"?

I once saw a documentary where they sent robot cameras up the "air shafts" in the Kings Chamber and found "doors" near the top of these shafts. Could these doors be part of some sort of on-off switch for a signal?

Nassim Haramein has suggested the Arc of the Covenant would fit perfectly into the Sarcophagus of the Great Pyramid.

(See both parts of the series: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UPnTUMCh80)

Are all of these "coincidences" significant to the bigger mystery?

[observer]

Sorry about the link to Nassim Haramein not actually mentioning the direct connection of the Arc of the Covenant to the Pyramid structure. I know I heard him make that specific reference in one of his videos in the past in an explanation of the hyper-dimensional physics of the pyramid structure.

Try this link to the second half of a much longer lecture: (if you actually want to hear the reference. If the reference is not in this half, then it's in the first half. This entire eight hour lecture is an excellent watch, however not on topic)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1895475242307393956&ei=rcZmSfSKGoL8rgL3mdSVDA&q=(Part+2)+nassim+haramein+at+the+rogue+valley+met aphysical+library#

[amate]

There's a new thread over in the Avalon side about the "Pyramid Code" (http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20169), and a video about how some scientist feel the pyramid was some sort of generator of "subtle energy", or telluric currents, the phenomenon that Tesla was working with when he was lighting bulbs on a stick poked into the ground. Note, how they came to these conclusions because of the nature of the type of limestone used to build the "core" of the pyramid, i.e. dolomite, with a high magnesium content. (conductive)

(see all five parts of the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQdLLvyS7w0&feature=player_embedded#


Thank you my dear friend for posting this for me :thumb_yello:

I

[John_Cadman]

Seeing the Kings Chamber as a massive resonating chamber sheds a whole new light on this mystery.

There's a new thread over in the Avalon side about the "Pyramid Code" and a video about how some scientist feel the pyramid was some sort of generator of "subtle energy", or telluric currents, the phenomenon that Tesla was working with when he was lighting bulbs on a stick poked into the ground. Note, how they came to these conclusions because of the nature of the type of limestone used to build the "core" of the pyramid, i.e. dolomite, with a high magnesium content. (conductive)

If the hypothesis of the "Pyramid Code" is accurate, i.e. that it is a massive subtle energy generator. And, if your hypothesis is also correct, that the pyramid was a hydraulic water pump. And further, it is felt the Kings Chamber is a resonance chamber. Than, my question is, to what frequency can the clapper in the ram-pump be tuned?

Is it possible to tune the cycles per second of the impacts to, say, the Schumann resonance? Can these mechanical impacts be "tuned" to resonate at a certain frequency? Is it possible the pyramid was designed to be some sort of giant "transmitter"?
?

I will be checking out the vids. Thank you.

Technically, the clapper isn't tuned. (The clapper makes an impact sound, but the compression wave is a separate and more powerful shock wave) (Just a FYI to be completely correct)

But the back pressure is tuned. By restricting the output and increasing the pressure at the "output" line (dead end shaft), the rate and frequency can be tuned quite significantly. The higher the pressure, the higher the rate and the higher the frequency. I don't think the rate is that critical, but I think they tuned the frequency (actually wave length) and the amplitude.

That's why they built the output line - for simple tuning.

I think there are several viable possibilities for the machine. Now that I'm actually writing to people that can converse I can share some possibilities.

1. Interstellar transmitter/beacon - simple solution that doesn't stretch the imagination much
2. Hyperdimensional transmitter (Joe Parr's work) Some sort of opening of worm hole or stargate This is what I "feel" it is. Since I don't know any sort of physics in this area, there's no way for me to suggest a proof.

Maybe each "true" pyramid was a location of a specific worm hole for different destinations. (There were about 300)

The sub chamber is just the motor for the machine.

I had read that there was some electrical differential between core masonry and the casing stones. Also, the sub chamber vortex will have a voltage differential between core and outer layers of rotation (very interesting when considering dissolved lime in the water and it's potentials)

Best,

John

[observer]

Since I don't know any sort of physics in this area, there's no way for me to suggest a proof.

John,
I think if you have the time to watch the entire eight hour Nassim Haramein lecture, "At The Rogue Valley Metaphysical Library 2003 Part One & Two", it will shed some light on the dynamics involved in all of the hyper-dimensional physics to which the Mass of Humanity has not been privileged. I know it's a long watch. I did a little each night when I first watched it, but I've watched the whole thing through several times over the past year. I already gave you the link to Part Two, but here's the whole package in one location:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6151699791256390335&ei=Da-7SvypNY3uqQK6mejoBg&q=Nassim+Haramein+-+At+The+Rogue+Valley+Metaphysical+Library+2003+Par t+One&hl=en#

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1895475242307393956&ei=rcZmSfSKGoL8rgL3mdSVDA&q=(Part+2)+nassim+haramein+at+the+rogue+valley+met aphysical+library#

I had read that there was some electrical differential between core masonry and the casing stones. Also, the sub chamber vortex will have a voltage differential between core and outer layers of rotation (very interesting when considering dissolved lime in the water and it's potentials)

I think if you watch the Pyramid Code video series two, all the way through this will corroborate your theory. Take your time and watch all of these videos a little at a time. I really think you are on to something, here. It corroborate much of what I have believed regarding the function of the pyramids, the use of the four elements (water, air, earth, fire - plasma discharge) and combining them with electromagnetic impulses. Thank you for posting this information.

[Kamikaze]

I really feel you are on a great track here.

I have encountered a brief suggestion to this water pump system underneath at some earlier time. I read something about it briefly at some forums some time back. I think it might have been you posting but not sure.
What I think I remember was that seemed people did not take it seriously at all and got sidetracked on how to explain this view away instead of trying to follow it's implications.

I'm glad I found this now in further detail. As I felt back then as now that it has great validity to the real truth what the Great Pyramid was really all about.

And I suggest you really check out Haramein! I think you might find something of great importance there to expand your theory and practical facts about your reconstruction of the water pump engine to the other parts of the system.

I'm surprised you hadn't read or listened to Haramein yet. I think I recall thinking I should have pointed the guy back then when I first encountered this into that direction but I was not a member of those forums or felt like to join those.

[John_Cadman]

I really feel you are on a great track here.

I have encountered a brief suggestion to this water pump system underneath at some earlier time. I read something about it briefly at some forums some time back. I think it might have been you posting but not sure.
What I think I remember was that seemed people did not take it seriously at all and got sidetracked on how to explain this view away instead of trying to follow it's implications.

I'm glad I found this now in further detail. As I felt back then as now that it has great validity to the real truth what the Great Pyramid was really all about.

And I suggest you really check out Haramein!.

I'll check out Haramein & the Pyramid Code. I'm completely open to new material.

It may have been me posting at the forum you mention. I generally post a bout 5 times and then get so annoyed with the massive ignorance and argumentativeness of the posters that I never go back. If I can't get the construction/locks possibility past them, how can I get to the pulse generator?

BTW, I "feel" that some sort of sonic levitation was used for construction. Water locks is a cool and simple possibility but my "memory" is of sonic levitation.

Anyways, bear with my quick vids. One day I'll get help to do something better. It was pure "guerilla video" ala Bill & Kerry!

Finally having fun writing on a forum again. Bill & Kerry gave me great hope when I came across their site. "Oh thank God, there's more of "us" out there"

John

[Christo888]

I'll check out Haramein & the Pyramid Code. I'm completely open to new material.

It may have been me posting at the forum you mention. I generally post a bout 5 times and then get so annoyed with the massive ignorance and argumentativeness of the posters that I never go back. If I can't get the construction/locks possibility past them, how can I get to the pulse generator?

BTW, I "feel" that some sort of sonic levitation was used for construction. Water locks is a cool and simple possibility but my "memory" is of sonic levitation.

Anyways, bear with my quick vids. One day I'll get help to do something better. It was pure "guerilla video" ala Bill & Kerry!

Finally having fun writing on a forum again. Bill & Kerry gave me great hope when I came across their site. "Oh thank God, there's more of "us" out there"

John

There are tours of the temples in Hawaii and every know and then... as the stories go... the chief will demonstrate how the percussion through his horn-trumpet shell will change the mass of a stone block so that it can be simply lifted into place and then perfectly sized to fit snug. Of course a different blast brings the mass back to normal.


So your brass turned purple? 'Sounds' like maybe there was a leprechaun sitting at the end of the pipe with a pot under the rainbow!!!!:lol3:

Awesome work John!:thumb_yello:

[GregorArturo]

I'll second what Christo says. It defintely was levitation. Certain materials are easier than others, but finding a resonant frequency of a material is the key to understanding this. However, depending on the enviroment this can have different effects (as other frequencies can interfere or amplify).

There's an eqyptian myth that talks about how priests laid a parchment that contained a spell upon the block of limestone. He then hit the block with a copper pipe which causes the pipe to vibrate. The priests would then begin to chant and the the block would rise and move forward a certian amount of feet than drop to the ground. The process would then be repeated.

There's also a scientific inquiry I believe in the early 1900's by a British guy to Tibet who witnessed and diagrammed how the Tibetan monks chanted and played drums in accordance to a geometrical layout to levititate and move stone.

I have also talked in an interview with an individual who says she had witnessed monks do this in Tibet herself, along with laying in snow with barely any clothes on, but the snow melts all around them exposing the ground.

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Oh and John, Tango's just jealous of my sexy distraction that I get to fall asleep next to each night, that's all. I mean who wouldn't be jealous about a girl giving up all her posessions to run away with you to roam the world (From Maine, currently in Arizona). And we have goose down sleeping bags that zip together, you can't beat that. You just can't. Next stop, Sedona.

[amate]

The acoustic sound would tune the water to the same frequency of the magnetic field to better resonate with the system. If the water can fluctuate at the same wavelength as the field produced by the pyramid, then the water would react accordingly (Yin-Yang effect).

This reminds me of my singing bowl demonstration I sometimes give for friends. Maybe a bit off topic....but maybe not..

Here is a demonstration I found on YouTube. The fountain of water is not to be seen very well, but I assure you the water goes up high !
Have fun.

Charging water in a Tibetan singing bowl... Water does have a memory, and can be energized... I show this by how the water will respond...
Notice how long it takes to charge it the first time... But after stopping it and starting over, how much faster it picks up the previous vibration...
This means the water has got some kind of memory (it holds the influence of vibration) ..
Also notice, that once this point is reached, the increase of energy goes much faster after this first charge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQWBA8q8JEs

I actually meant to post this one, but the first one gives a clear fountain :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdOJZDWJkuk

[John_Cadman]

[COLOR="SandyBrown"]Charging water in a Tibetan singing bowl... Water does have a memory, and can be energized... I show this by how the water will respond...


Never seen that before. Greart demo!

The sub chamber vortex and compression wave does something to the water but have only noted a couple anomalies that made me raise my eyebrows.

I want to make a model that can do ink injections while running with the vortex. The shock waves really destroy things and I probably need to use some fuel injectors to do metered high pressure injections.

There's so much more I want to do with the sub chamber, but haven't had the facilities to build it. Future projects!

Thanks for sharing.

Also, "The Pyramid Code" series on youtube is awesome. Thanks again.

John

[lisa]

The "Law of One" have some info about Pyramids.

For example, it says that:

The larger Pyramids were created by ETs through thought.
They build the Pyramids for healing people.
The original Giza capstone was made of "granite" to be used as a chimney. When the ETs left our planet, Egyptians decided to use Giza as a royal place and changed the capstone to Gold.

For more, see http://www.lawofone.info/results.php?search_string=pyramid&search_type=any&ss=1
The books can be downloaded as PDF here: http://www.llresearch.org/library/the_law_of_one_pdf/the_law_of_one_pdf.aspx

[John_Cadman]

Ok, I watched Nassim Haramein at the Rogue Valley Metaphysical Library. First time through and don't disagree with anything he says. I'm going to watch it many more times through to try to absorb much more of his info.

3 hours, 17 minutes, 40 seconds of part 2 of his lecture . . . caught my attention. (actually 3:18:00 but need context)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1895475242307393956&hl=en&emb=1#

This certainly would have massively amplified my plant (algae) growth observation -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLAHZJTwPGc

Super growth water formula for crop irrigation certainly isn't a bad thing for the populus. This may have been a secondary function of the Great Pyramid.

I'm going to try some experiments with just the vortex water compared to non-vortex water for specific plant growth. Great time of year to try this!

Thanks for sharing! My mouth about dropped open when he showed the photos of the massive asteroid that went past the Sun back in 2002 (?). If that wasn't Nibiru I don't know what is. Twice the size of Saturn . . . WOW! Deflected from striking the sun by some force! Thanks!

John

[observer]

Water and vortex are both key elements in the pyramid system....

One anomaly that I encountered this winter is bizarre algae growth at the tail end of the vortex pipe (waste gate which would have exited at the Nile)

I just uploaded a vid of this growth. Background: New pipe, new plastic bucket, no water running through it until November this last year. I'm up by Vancouver, B.C. and November - present are the dark months. Algae generally doesn't grow much this time of year.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLAHZJTwPGc

The pond has virtually no algae growth. Any ideas anybody??

These remarks in your #19 comment were the reason that I added the link to Nissam Haramein's video to my first comment #23 to you. I knew he talked about "charging" the water for irrigation of the land in his lecture, and how that related to the placement of the Arc of the Covenant into the pyramid structure.

....3 hours, 17 minutes, 40 seconds of part 2 of his lecture . . . caught my attention. (actually 3:18:00 but need context)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...6&hl=en&emb=1#

This certainly would have massively amplified my plant (algae) growth observation -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BLAHZJTwPGc

Super growth water formula for crop irrigation certainly isn't a bad thing for the populous. This may have been a secondary function of the Great Pyramid.

I'm going to try some experiments with just the vortex water compared to non-vortex water for specific plant growth. Great time of year to try this!....


I'm gratified that you found the Haramein material informative. I'm sure you will find less algae growth without the vortex. It's the vortex that's creating the hyper-dimensional energy "charge". Too bad you don't have an Arc to add to the experiment !!! LOL

....My mouth about dropped open when he showed the photos of the massive asteroid that went past the Sun back in 2002 (?). If that wasn't Nibiru I don't know what is. Twice the size of Saturn . . . WOW! Deflected from striking the sun by some force! Thanks!


A bit off topic, but this is just one talking point in the evidential trail I've been following that demonstrates why a good bit of the "channeled" material the Mass of Humanity is being force-fed just doesn't "resonate" with me. Why aren't any of these alleged "masters" mentioning this comet. It surely passed through the inner solar system. Could it be there is an agenda to keep us all in a state of fear? (that wouldn't happen, would it???) I find all sorts of inconsistencies in the "channeled message"....

[viking]

Hey John I find this thread facinating....I visited the Pyramids a good few years back but was too young too appreciate the enormity of them!! I do plan to go back sometime ...

Keep up the great work I love it... :thumb_yello:

viking

[John_Cadman]

These remarks in your #19 comment were the reason that I added the link to Nissam Haramein's video to my first comment #23 to you. I knew he talked about "charging" the water for irrigation of the land in his lecture, and how that related to the placement of the Arc of the Covenant into the pyramid structure.



I'm gratified that you found the Haramein material informative. I'm sure you will find less algae growth without the vortex. It's the vortex that's creating the hyper-dimensional energy "charge". Too bad you don't have an Arc to add to the experiment !!! LOL

There's so much going on with the GP. To be able to break it down in to individual parts actually is helpful. I would LOVE to see the full scale model run with it's specific Earth-vortex placement (ley lines), specific material composition (limestone shelf, limestone core blocks, poured (?) casing blocks (or tura), etc.) Obviously, this will not happen during this time around . . .

I think the vortex does what Viktor Schauberger had stated. I think that it orders molecules and transfers some of the random molecular motion (thermal energy) into kinetic energy. I think that's why the pipe turned purple . The impact created more random motion and transfered some of the kinetic energy to thermal energy. (i.e. heated the pipe) Speculation, of course. Anything with Schauberger and water energies is certainly "unprovable speculation" with the "smarties" of the main stream.

Talking about the GP "pump aspect" is a task unto itself without talking about vortices, Schauberger, ley lines, pyramid shape effects, etc.

Humor to me . . . when talking to the "us" that remember . . . the "us" know that the blocks were moved with some sort of sonic levitation and look down upon the water lock construction theory. On the flip side, talking about water locks for construction is the only thing that the masses can comprehend. It's a catch-22 for me to talk about this subject because of the mindsets of the 2 completely different audiences.


... a good bit of the "channeled" material the Mass of Humanity is being force-fed just doesn't "resonate" with me. Why aren't any of these alleged "masters" mentioning this comet. It surely passed through the inner solar system. Could it be there is an agenda to keep us all in a state of fear? (that wouldn't happen, would it???) I find all sorts of inconsistencies in the "channeled message"....

Completely agreed. I like what David Icke has to say about listening to his inner voice about truth. (That, of course, discredits me with the masses!) Dan Burisch talks about taken back to see the pyramid construction, Billy Meier talks about being back in time for pyramid construction and other things, Zecheriah (sp) writes about the overall history down there . . . I feel that each one has some right and some . . . not so much. Zecheriah had the task of putting together so many bits and pieces for a picture. He did so much right but gets blasted for the small amount he was wrong. I believe Billy Meier had actual contact and did much of what he said. Some of the contact notes . . . could be ego memory. I think Burisch has a lot correct then went off the deep end (possibly mind control or whatever) Drunvallo Malchaviek (I butchered his name) has some correct but . . . some doesn't work with the physical evidence of the subterranean section.

I think some of the people that are channeling are getting correct info and some are getting "punkd" by an outside source.

The Pyramid Code had some details wrong about the particular materials of various rocks (alabaster vs quartz, etc.) BUT overall accuracy was quite good. Dunn is quite meticulous about various machined artifacts and material composition.

John

[John_Cadman]

Keep up the great work I love it... :thumb_yello:

viking

Thanks. Nice to get actual positive feedback. Generally get no feedback or get blasted.

Being told I'm wrong doesn't stop the model running, though!:lmao:

John

[Daft Ada]

mate I have read the thread and watched the vids and I am convinced you are on to something with regards to the lower chamber being a pump, but I am having a hard time agreeing with your interpretation of it's purpose.
Now let me get this right, you reckon that the idea is that the pump generates huge pulses that go vertically up and compress the kings chamber, which because it's made from that kind of granite will emitt a huge electrical pulse. Is that right?

What would the purpose of that pulse be?

To my eye the path between the lower chamber and the kings chamber has got the queens chamber and some passages in the way which will unbalance the pulse.
Also I am guessing that pulses large enough to have the desired effect would shake the pyramid appart, it's only a stack of stones :shocked:
If as you say that huge block of stone which is blocking the top passage is a check valve, and it slides back and forth once the pump is running, could you imagine the forces involved, think of a battering ram, I think it would destroy itself, just listen to the force in the small one you have built and imagine what you will get when you multiply the size of the valve in your model by many tons :shocked:

I'm no expert mate, but I have a good engineering knowledge and I'm just asking :thumb_yello:

[Kamikaze]

If you want to create as close to a full pyramid whit most functions, the parts and things will need to be tiny... How small can you really make the water passages etc? What I've seen your small model is small but when looking at the whole construction in that size it's still quite large.
To big to move around.

Would a half meter high pyramid or such be possible? You could pay out and get the parts machined etc if you could get the details on how to construct it.

I do wonder how much a block of stone or several blocks. would cost to get manufactured into say such a half meter high model or such whit same materials the pyramid is actually made from. Though you would need many details and measurements needed to be made.
the parts would need to be high accuracy machined also.

But there are some questions if all the parts are there to get a rough working pyramid. Or are essential parts gone?
But just as is getting that shock wave water inside the queens and kings camber would be interesting... But there is a questions about the pathways and other things in the queens chamber that suggest something different was going on there than just water if it at all would have entered inside. Most peculiar are the two small passage ways whit their metal rods "doors" handles.
We would need to "explore" further to see what more can be behind there. The metal rods aren't there randomly and I think they would have been connected to something. The rods were severely corroded I remember, one being + the other - .
I remember reading someone suggesting what the queens chamber might have had for stuff inside those two passages behind the walls. There had been some kind of "effect" going on.

[John_Cadman]

mate I have read the thread and watched the vids and I am convinced you are on to something with regards to the lower chamber being a pump, but I am having a hard time agreeing with your interpretation of it's purpose.
Now let me get this right, you reckon that the idea is that the pump generates huge pulses that go vertically up and compress the kings chamber, which because it's made from that kind of granite will emitt a huge electrical pulse. Is that right?

What would the purpose of that pulse be?

To my eye the path between the lower chamber and the kings chamber has got the queens chamber and some passages in the way which will unbalance the pulse.
Also I am guessing that pulses large enough to have the desired effect would shake the pyramid appart, it's only a stack of stones :shocked:
If as you say that huge block of stone which is blocking the top passage is a check valve, and it slides back and forth once the pump is running, could you imagine the forces involved, think of a battering ram, I think it would destroy itself, just listen to the force in the small one you have built and imagine what you will get when you multiply the size of the valve in your model by many tons :shocked:

I'm no expert mate, but I have a good engineering knowledge and I'm just asking :thumb_yello:

I'm glad you took a look at the vids and understood them.

The block sliding back and forth is the simplest interpretation of a sliding square pipe horizontal waste gate using round pipe and relatively common parts. That valve would be down by the Sphinx.

The actual design is absolutely ideal when built horizontally. The horizontal valve allows for granite inlays for the sliding surfaces and the valve seat. The bulk of the thrust is then held back by limestone bed rock. Not likely to rattle loose 40+ feet of bedrock with granite valve seats (replaceable).

I certainly would suggest using one of those hollow boxes (sarcophagus) for the rectangular sliding block. That would reduce mass and other effects.

This valve area would be accessible for eventual wear and part replacement.

(I was a chief engineer on a King crab boat and had to rebuild and replace everything so these were serious issues)

At the end of the "dead end shaft" there may have been a check valve (flap). I put one in on the model, but it isn't required. It would also be consistent with the "dead end shaft" ending in a plane surface. It could also have been a gate valve for tuning the thing. No one over there is going to let me over there to do a test drill hole into the wall/flap.

The subterranean chamber is under no less than 100' of bedrock. This isn't going to rattle loose. The K's chamber has actually settled quite a bit as per the technical drawings.

The possible piezo effect was suggested by somebody else but I threw it out for interesting possibilities. I don't know what the whole thing did. That's what I'm searching for and looking for pieces.

Someone much smarter than me is going to solve this thing.

What I do know is that it was completely designed before being built. Someone was either phenomenally brilliant with tremendous calculations (pipe drag coefficients, dimensions, coupled with massive hydraulic pulses thrown in for complexity).

The more I identified each point of the subterranean chamber and it's specific design function, the more I realised how incredibly advanced the design is. As is shown in the model running, this pump does 4 things that normal ram pumps don't do.

1. Continuous flow without air compression chamber. (vortex rotational design)
2. No output check valve required (absolutely unheard of, but because of rotational design)
3. Able to run with negative ouput back pressure, neutral ouput back pressure, or the normal positive back pressure. To hydraulic ram people, this is absolutely unheard of. Hydraulic rams are very quirky about output back pressure and you have to tweak the valves to get them to run. This thing always runs first try.
4. Something Jack Kolle questioned about - The pulse gen runs with the heartbeat pulse (double pulse). Shouldn't do this. BTW, Jack Kolle is seriously the "Einstein" of hydraulic pulse gnerators and he checked it out and talked about implications. He designed the hydralic pulse generator assisted "look ahead" oil drilling set up. Genius, genius, genius. They send hydraulic pulse down well tube. The rarefaction wave (extremely low pressure wave) that follows the compression wave (extremely high pressure wave) increases drilling in shale substrates because the shale is under pressure from layering and the ocean pressure. The rarefaction wave sucks chips off the hole surface. That's 5,000 feet down a pipe.

The look ahead drilling is sending the pulse down the oil pipe and the compression wave strikes the surface at the bottom of the pipe and transfers part of the shock wave directly into the shale. This is done without removing the drill! This allows transducers to monitor the depth of the oil from pickups in the area (i.e. like they used to use dynamite on the surface and records the returning shock waves.

http://sentinelkennels.com/GPimages/34367_RevSeismic.jpg

This last part is absolutely analagous to what the builders of the subterranean system were doing way, way back. We just re-invented this stuff. Genius, genius, genius! (Pulse down a pipe, with part of the compression wave transmitting vertically towards the center of the Great Pyramid)

It may also output hydrogen, but I can't prove this and would need a limestone model and scale could matter. Hakim said it ouput hydrogen.

The amount of pulse is absolutely mind-blowing. It's like being around a big block, fully blown muscle car. This thing is ridiculous and brilliant. The general thoughts from "shape effectors" was that the GP uses some of the subtle earth energies to get the shape to run. This motor is anything but subtle.

The Russians have the best shape research. Some seriously amazing stuff. Their anomalies are extremly well documented. Energizing water is one of the effects (had forgotten about that) that completely defies modern physics.

. . . or maybe it was just a water pump for a lock system to build the pyramid!

John

[John_Cadman]

But there are some questions if all the parts are there to get a rough working pyramid. Or are essential parts gone?
But just as is getting that shock wave water inside the queens and kings camber would be interesting...I remember reading someone suggesting what the queens chamber might have had for stuff inside those two passages behind the walls. There had been some kind of "effect" going on.

Unfortunately, many of the parts are missing.

I chose the subterranean section because it seemed the least technical with the majority of it still intact. I also needed a very efficient hydraulic ram pump (my motivation).

The water didn't go up into the pyramid structure for the most part. There might have been a little bit of water perk up to Q's chamber floor IF gas was created and removed from sub chamber. It's suggested, but not required.

Tough to figure out the missing parts when the machine is higher tech than anything we have today. Even the sub chamber breaks every rule for hydraulic ram pumps.

The pyramid itself is beyond my capacity. There's people around the world working on various aspects (shape, etc.)

Model material could be critical. because of electrical properties. i.e. pyramids made of cement don't have same shape effect as ones made from limestone. I would have thought it would be similar because cement has high percentage of limestone. Not the case at all

Also, there are chambers behind the Q's chamber (can't remember right off hand which walls). One hollow that was drilled into was filled with "singing" sand. "Singing" sand is quartz and when people walk on the beaches, it "sings" or lets off noise because of the compression of the crystalline structure (like piezo) Significance? Tuned upper area has resonating sand within chamber(s)

John

[John_Cadman]

"This motor is anything but subtle."

The pump stopped after running since early November. The dogs were out of water!

Went to check it out and it had broken the 1 1/4" threaded nipple that the wast gate screws on to. It's rated for 600 psi.:shocked:

I'll hack it off a little later and put on a new one. I'm always amazed at how brutal this motor is. Anything but subtle.

John

[Daft Ada]

Thanks John mate that cleared up a couple of points.
Well if I remember correctly the granite box in the Kings chamber has got a lump missing out of the side, maybe it is an old damaged valve, or even the original from the sphinx end of the pipe, maybe they put it in there when they dismantled the external parts of the system, but felt as it belonged to the pyramid they would keep it in the kings chamber.
Just had a thought, you know all the narrow holes through the pyramid that they don't know what they are but they are supposed to line up with certain stars, well maybe the pump did send water right up the pyramid and it sprayed out of those shafts either as an irrigation system or a fancy cerimonial magic device squirting water high in the air. Just a thought :naughty:

[John_Cadman]

Thanks John mate that cleared up a couple of points.
Well if I remember correctly the granite box in the Kings chamber has got a lump missing out of the side, maybe it is an old damaged valve, or even the original from the sphinx end of the pipe, maybe they put it in there when they dismantled the external parts of the system, but felt as it belonged to the pyramid they would keep it in the kings chamber.
Just had a thought, you know all the narrow holes through the pyramid that they don't know what they are but they are supposed to line up with certain stars, well maybe the pump did send water right up the pyramid and it sprayed out of those shafts either as an irrigation system or a fancy cerimonial magic device squirting water high in the air. Just a thought :naughty:

I know the explanations were LONG. I'm just glad you considered what I wrote. When I was trying to guess what they would have built with rock at Giza, I completely considered thrust impacts, materials, and service and maintenance. When you are the guy that has to fix everything, you consider this stuff.

The granite boxes are very interesting and there's a bunch of them down in the "water shaft" / "Tomb of Osiris". BUT, you never know if that "coffer" was an old valve or just mangled by tourists.

I don't think there was water in the upper half of the GP. With all the salt encrustration in the Q's chamber (hence since removed) it points towards some other process in there. (There was up to 1" of salt crystal encrustation on the walls and ceiling of the Q's chamber - chemical analysis by Dr. Patrick Flanagan)

Just changed the waste gate tail piece. This little crack stopped it from running because of minor leakage. Air in the system does the same (unlike normal rams)

http://sentinelkennels.com/GPimages/wastegate_break-small.jpg

Here's a close up of an actual waste gate valve. Just a plunger check valve with spring flipped and running backwards. (plus a little slider action like a square block check valve)

http://sentinelkennels.com/GPimages/wastegate-small.jpg


John

[observer]

By pointing-out Chris Dunn's research, you have opened a whole new evidential trail for me to follow. I love looking at this subject from an engineer's prospective. I truly appreciate your bringing Chris to my attention.

I can offer no other input into your research. The discoveries you are making are far beyond my technical capacity.

My function is as a simple observer. I consume the knowledge, and report back my best interpretation. I know within my heart that you are on the correct path.

I'll stay "subscribed" to this thread so I can keep a watch to see how this all develops for you. Good Luck !!!

[John_Cadman]

By pointing-out Chris Dunn's research, you have opened a whole new evidential trail for me to follow. I love looking at this subject from an engineer's prospective. I truly appreciate your bringing Chris to my attention.

I can offer no other input into your research. The discoveries you are making are far beyond my technical capacity.

My function is as a simple observer. I consume the knowledge, and report back my best interpretation. I know within my heart that you are on the correct path.

I'll stay "subscribed" to this thread so I can keep a watch to see how this all develops for you. Good Luck !!!

Hi Observer,

Thanks for the support.

Chris Dunn's machined artifacts work is absolutely outstanding. It helps if you have an engineering background or machining background to grasp the sheer precision of the artifacts he is measuring.

Chris added observations about the GP and even discovered that the upper part of the Grand Gallery is discolored granite and not limestone.

Chris had suggested that there was some sort of machine in the sub chamber that provided priming pulses for the GP. He visualised some mechanical device because of his mechanical perspective. I wrote him for 6 years before he checked out the pump/pulse gen and concluded that, "Yes, that's the pulse gen for the GP"

I believe Chris had much right but not the whole machine.

I am an observer also. I was given a vision quest for the sub chamber. That was back in 2000.

Nassim Haramein really added a new twist to the whole thing. There's also Valery Uvarov & Anatoli Golod's work. The Russians embrace the pyramid work.

Valery was interviewed by Kerry and is on their video interviews. Some of his work is in one of his books (free download):

http://www.iicufi.org/download_engine/comment.php?dlid=1

His pyramid research is at:
http://pyramids.iicufi.org/index.php?id=87&L=1

John

[observer]

John,

FYI, I spent my young adulthood working in an engineering office as a draftsman, and latter as a job site superintendent. My whole life has been in and around the construction industry, mostly as a master carpenter. More recently, I've spend most of my working days around heavy equipment. To paraphrase a quote from a famous movie, "I love the smell of burning *diesel* early in the morning". LOL

That's the reason Chris Dunn's work resonates with me.

Just in case you haven't put it completely together, Nassim Haramein's suggestion that the Arc of the Covenant was/is a mini black hole; by placing this within the confines of the obvious "machine" that the Great Pyramid is meant to be, I can't even fathom the mathematical possibilities.

Somehow, ancient technology was capable of containing a singularity, albeit a mini-singularity. If you research the mythologies from antiquity you will find reference to this phenomenon throughout, i.e. in the Bhagavad Gita, in the Epic of Gilgamesh, etc. This phenomenon has been described as a weapon, as a tool, as a "fiery furnace", etc.

Like you, I too have my suspicions what the builders of the pyramids were doing with this machine. It's obvious to me the Egyptians had nothing to do with this technology. I'll leave it up to people with much greater understanding to find the evidence that will lead to a final conclusion.

I'll take your suggestion and look at Uvarov & Golod's work....

[John_Cadman]

Just in case you haven't put it completely together, Nassim Haramein's suggestion that the Arc of the Covenant was/is a mini black hole; by placing this within the confines of the obvious "machine" that the Great Pyramid is meant to be, I can't even fathom the mathematical possibilities.

Somehow, ancient technology was capable of containing a singularity, albeit a mini-singularity. If you research the mythologies from antiquity you will find reference to this phenomenon throughout, i.e. in the Bhagavad Gita, in the Epic of Gilgamesh, etc. This phenomenon has been described as a weapon, as a tool, as a "fiery furnace", etc.

Like you, I too have my suspicions what the builders of the pyramids were doing with this machine. It's obvious to me the Egyptians had nothing to do with this technology. I'll leave it up to people with much greater understanding to find the evidence that will lead to a final conclusion.

I'll take your suggestion and look at Uvarov & Golod's work....

Thanks for sharing the info about what Nassim was suggesting! I'm 50% genius and 50% idiot. Probably wouldn't have dawned on me for a couple weeks!

Here's a little tidbit that I just remembered . . .

Radioactivity placed within the pyramid shape makes it run.

From William Kapsaris . . . "I put an old wristwatch inside it (pyramid model) on a stand one third the model's height. (The watch was a gift I hadn't worn in years, because the luminous paint on its hands and face was emitting a low level of radioactivity.) After I had realigned the model with magnetic North, I left for work. When I returned, about ten hours later, the scent of the tape had filled every room in the house: the dining room, front room, and kitchen on the first floor, and the two bedrooms and the bathroom on the second."

William (Bill) Kapsaris has a youtube vid about his model ("epsilon")
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fbeqlNt398

Now, what if they put the almighty arc in the GP? (I had read previously that the coffer was the size of the arc)

What in the world would the GP do? :mfr_omg:

I must admit, Nassim's work is still rocking my head. I know most, if not all, of it is correct.

John

[observer]

Radioactivity placed within the pyramid shape makes it run.

William (Bill) Kapsaris has a youtube vid about his model ("epsilon")
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fbeqlNt398

This Bill Kapsaris video is the Rosetta Stone to understanding what all the burned granite reported to be at the top of the grand gallery is all about.

Now, how does this all relate to the salt deposits in the queen's chamber? Could there possibly be an underground tunnel to the Mediterranean sea? (we are speaking of extraterrestrial technology) Could the pyramid pump have been pumping salt water into the queen's chamber to separate the hydrogen gas? (The separation of hydrogen gas from water works more efficiently from salt water. Thus, the heavy salt deposits on the walls of the queen's chamber) Why would they have needed hydrogen gas when they already had the power of a contained singularity? Probably questions that are totally irrelevant.

[John_Cadman]

This Bill Kapsaris video is the Rosetta Stone to understanding what all the burned granite reported to be at the top of the grand gallery is all about.

Now, how does this all relate to the salt deposits in the queen's chamber? Could there possibly be an underground tunnel to the Mediterranean sea? (we are speaking of extraterrestrial technology) Could the pyramid pump have been pumping salt water into the queen's chamber to separate the hydrogen gas? (The separation of hydrogen gas from water works more efficiently from salt water. Thus, the heavy salt deposits on the walls of the queen's chamber) Why would they have needed hydrogen gas when they already had the power of a contained singularity? Probably questions that are totally irrelevant.

I have to wake up a bit and read the links . . . BUT Joe Parr's work deals with the Q's chamber and hyperdimensional drive. No-joke. Joe's work and credentials are amazing. He invented the gamma ray transducer back in-the-day.

Joe has experimental, quantified data, that shows that the pyramid shape blocks (escapement) of all known forces. The problem he is having right now is that he has created a huge (energy??) bubble around his garage/house that is blocking out further experimentation. Dan Davidson replicated Joe's experiment and confirmed results, but Dan's wife won't let him do any more experimentation because Dan started to get the permanent high energy buble around his house. Dan had to ground it out to keep it from growing or expanding.

The pyramid shape temporarily loses weight during certain times of the year. It also blocks radioactivity escapement from the shape. (Joe has all sorts of cool stuff including acces to radioactive material and detectors)

John

[John_Cadman]

Maybe I should have started this thread out with, "Neo, do you want the red pill or the blue pill?" How deep does this rabbit hole go?

I wrote this back in 2002 but deleted from research article because of all the flak I got about it . . .

SOLVING THE GIZA MYSTERY

He who solves this puzzle will have to combine mechanical effects and shape effect. The shape is an energy lens (Patrick Flanagan) that utilizes ‘e’ for exponential energy growth. (Rick Howard) Low level radiation placed at the King’s chamber elevation causes the shape to start running. (William Kapsaris)



The shape greatly affects the ozone layer as well as subterranean fluids. (Anatoli Golod) The shape traps mass particles and develops an energy field or bubble that surrounds the pyramid. This bubble has demonstrated the ability to block all known forces. (Joe Parr)



The shape also produces beneficial health effects (Kirti Betai, Patrick Flanagan, Anatoli Golod, and others)

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Yes, the base of natural logs, e, is directly in the primary angles of the GP! Rick Howard did an "insane" (i.e. genius) proof the "T-T-T", "Triple-Trinagle-Theorem" that relates pi, phi & e to the pyramid. I'm not a big numbers guy, but what I could see was brilliant. Good God, he found e (to 99.9997%) in the primary GP angles.

(Rick's e proportion)
http://gizapyramid.com/ricks-e-proportion/rick-howards-research.html


(Rick's T-T-T)
http://gizapyramid.com/rick_howard%20research.htm

And now, listening to Nassim's descriptions of the arc and that it fit in the coffer . . . it completely staggers the imagination.

Rick Howard, William Kapsaris & I were corresponding heavily around '99 but we all got stuck looking for more data around 2003.

John

[observer]

I recall reading sometime in the distant past where some debunker of the pi ratio theory said that if you take a wheel and put a mark on the outer circumference, and if you walk that wheel two different directions for a predetermined number of rotations, and then build a building, that building will always have a pi ratio.

Well, that's true. But, it doesn't account for the pyramid builders picking the number 440 circumference of a wheel to be the number they used for the base dimensions. And, it also doesn't account for the 'e' factor in the construction.

After reading Rick Howard's work, there can be no doubt this structure was built by an advanced civilization. We're far beyond that argument, however. Didn't we already know that ?!?! Just further evidential documentation....

[SiriArc]

P R I M O

InPut From ALL !!!

http://i32.tinypic.com/28mn29v.jpg

And For The Observer's

Singularity:

Notching and A Secret of Spirituality (http://forum.noblerealms.org/viewtopic.php?id=2139)

[John_Cadman]

[CENTER]

InPut From ALL !!!

Need more data, but looks interesting. Explain more and I'm sure you'll get feedback.

Observer,

Nassim relates vortex and water vapor on sun (at spots) going to singularity. The GP has water vortex under singularity (arc) . . . interesting?

It seems like the vortex (in the sub chamber) is going the wrong direction when compared to Nassim's diagrams. Schauberger had vortex descriptions with positive/negative energy gains.

http://sentinelkennels.com/GPimages/ecannon.jpg



John

[observer]

When one finally accepts the understanding that the "Oxford Template" of educating the masses was designed specifically to keep knowledge contained within a box, there is no leap of faith necessary to understanding why our most advanced physics have eliminated all torsion calculations from the mathematics of the cosmos. (Nassim Haramein's work in solving the Unified Field Theory pivots around the addition of torque)

Angular momentum (spin) is the key to understanding how gravity works. If one imagines a spinning atom passing through a straight line in space, one can visualize a spiraling vortex. (much like an Archimedes Screw). Combine a mass of atoms with their radiating electromagnetic spinning vortices and one gets gravity.

In mechanics, torque is a major consideration when calculating the strength of materials. Could it have been by design that torque was overlooked when physicists were quantifying the universe?

Vortices are the key to understanding the dynamics of the universe. There's no doubt your research into the vortex created by the flow of water at the Giza Plateau is a major part of understanding what at least one of the pyramids was used for.

[observer]

http://i32.tinypic.com/28mn29v.jpg


Siri,

I went to your link and saw how you used to have this apparatus hanging over your bed. A long time ago I had a pyramid assembly mounted in the same inverted fashion over my bed. I called it a "cosmic funnel".

I had to disassemble it when they converted the building I was living-in into a parking lot. (pave paradise....)

In retrospect, I don't feel it did any good. The woman with whom I was married for 23 years decided to take the "better deal". So much for focusing on Love and that having an effect on the (-) side of the equation. Consult any indigenous wise man, and ask him if his ancestor's focus on Love had any effect on the wave of Western Civilization that changed his tribal paradigm.

Somehow, I believe there's a whole lot more to it than that. I think the secret to understanding this particular reality is in the understanding of how it is manipulated from behind the wall of smoke-and-mirrors. Just my personal opinion, I could be wrong.

Thank you for your input, it was an interesting read.

[John_Cadman]

Anybody following this thread really needs to watch the Nassim Haramein video on google vids (2 - 4 hour parts) or youtube (many parts)

"Observer" referenced this before. I hadn't seen his work before but found that it is absolutely critical background info. Since you are at projectcamelot forum, this is absoltely enlightening and quite entertaining.


Nassim Haramein at the Rogue Valley Metaphysical Library. 2003

(links aren't working for me right now)

John

[amate]

As I have been away for a few days I am reading through this thread again. I wonder about the purpose of the pyramids,
if they are energy regenerators to produce sound....then for what purpose?

I think WATER might be the clue here, as we live on a planet which surface is 70 % water and our cells consists at least for 70 % of water.

Then there is your English language with the word SOUND, meaning the “vibration” as well as “healthy”

I came past the question of Observer
It never made sense to me, all of those giant slabs above the Kings Chamber, and the "accepted scientific explanation" that they were there to relieve stresses on the roof of the room. Seeing the Kings Chamber as a massive resonating chamber sheds a whole new light on this mystery.

If the hypothesis of the "Pyramid Code" is accurate, i.e. that it is a massive subtle energy generator. And, if your hypothesis is also correct, that the pyramid was a hydraulic water pump. And further, it is felt the Kings Chamber is a resonance chamber. Than, my question is, to what frequency can the clapper in the ram-pump be tuned?

Is it possible to tune the cycles per second of the impacts to, say, the Schumann resonance? Can these mechanical impacts be "tuned" to resonate at a certain frequency? Is it possible the pyramid was designed to be some sort of giant "transmitter"?



I think those frequencies he is pointing at are very important.

Also the Solfeggio Frequencies should be considered.
http://www.miraclesandinspiration.com/solfeggiofrequencies.html
They are beneficial for the chakras of Humans as well as the probable chakras of the Earth
When these pyramids could be huge “ sound producers” they were sound/healthy for the earth, as that is a living body with probably chakras as well, as well for its inhabitants.

As the wise elder on the “Pyramid Code” said, SOUND was a main purpose of the Pyramids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEvxFgVm31U

The “remembrance” of water has been researched by Masaru Emoto
http://www.life-enthusiast.com/twilight/research_emoto.htm
Under influence of sound-vibration, water can come to great force (as I showed with the home video earlier in this thread) (comment #32) as water is able to remember.
This force can be used together with these big pumps, to make various sound-frequencies on a huge scale which has the reaction on water to become even a greater force.

In all the info on this tread I missed the information about the force that actually starts the pump to function!! A suggestion of this force must have been there!

I think a combination of all these phenomena might bring “some” further insight.

This was just some humble “broad” feminine thinking LOL
~

[McMaster]

Hello all! I thought i'll drop a line or two on this thread. Thanks for a great thread for starters. I'm a machinist/toolmaker by trade, and after having a look on some of Chris Dunns pictures i can pretty much confirm that machine tools have been used at Giza plateau. Obviously i can't say anything about how they were powered, but looking for example those core drilled holes, the feed rate achieve machining marks on the parts way they are, would've needed something VERY powerfull. Looking at the core sample photo, i would say the feed rate of cutting would have been around 0.5 to 1mm per revolution, and to achieve that even in a modern machine shop to relatively soft aluminium with a core drill that size, would be hard pushing.
So i would have an educated guess and say that with man power you would never do that.

[John_Cadman]

Hello all! I thought i'll drop a line or two on this thread. Thanks for a great thread for starters. I'm a machinist/toolmaker by trade, and after having a look on some of Chris Dunns pictures i can pretty much confirm that machine tools have been used at Giza plateau. Obviously i can't say anything about how they were powered, but looking for example those core drilled holes, the feed rate achieve machining marks on the parts way they are, would've needed something VERY powerfull. Looking at the core sample photo, i would say the feed rate of cutting would have been around 0.5 to 1mm per revolution, and to achieve that even in a modern machine shop to relatively soft aluminium with a core drill that size, would be hard pushing.
So i would have an educated guess and say that with man power you would never do that.

I've really enjoyed the intelligence of the posters on this thread. Learned much and have even more to share. Two way street after all.

Been watching the youtube Pyramid Code and it's a great series.

(posted on a different string)

This is Chris Dunn & Edward Malkowski at Abu Rawash. (part 1 of part 1) This is the "New Rosetta Stone" This is ultra significant in the double arc cut in that a straight saw cannot cut this.

http://gizapower.com/Abu/index.htm

This is coming out in Edward Malkowski's book "Ancient Egypt 39,000 BCE" due out in April. Great book in that it has Schoch, Dunn, some guy named "Cadman" and others in it. Lots of pictures of machined artifacts.

Chris went a bit tangentially and started working on the statue artifacts - mirror imaging and the like.

Got to see Hakim (in the vid) and that was cool. Hakim said that the pump set up is correct. Hakim also said that it produced hydrogen for the upper machine. I can't prove that part yet.

My favorite Chris Dunn precision is the boxes of the Serapeum:

http://gizapower.com/Precision.htm

It's very "Chris" in that it's technical but it is correct and profound (but a little dry). Only people that actually produce things can understand what 0.00005" actually is and absolute parallel and square sides on multiple granite boxes the size of a small room.

Considering the tolerances, there must have been temperature control for variances and cooling for whatever type cutting mechanism (diamond tip?).

Also the corner radii are outstanding. Chris visited me a few years back while Dr. Jack Kolle was here. Chris and Jack talked a lot about precision laser cutting in manufacture industry etc.

The one thing about the pulse gen that baffled Jack Kolle was the heart beat pulse. It's specific to the design and has something to do with overlapping compression waves travelling in the system. I can observe it but don't really understand it. Same with Jack.

It was amazing to have Jack watch the ink flow model and start calculating the velocity in the room and if it would be a turbulent flow. All off the top of his head and it did confirm my calculations. I had to use a physics book and calculator, though! (The water shoots across the room with a max velocity of 100 ft/sec - not bad for a 3 foot square water jet)

John Cadman

[Firinn]

Energizing water is one of the effects (had forgotten about that) that completely defies modern physics.

John

"This motor is anything but subtle."

The pump stopped after running since early November. The dogs were out of water!




Hi John, have you noticed any "changes" in your dogs since they've been drinking the water supplied by the pump?

Love
Firinn

[John_Cadman]

Hi John, have you noticed any "changes" in your dogs since they've been drinking the water supplied by the pump?


http://sentinelkennels.com/GPimages/Before_after_cr.jpg

Just joking . . . Haven't had a control group so not sure.

Certainly worth considering and I'll try something with it in the future. :thumb_yello:

John

[amate]

http://sentinelkennels.com/GPimages/Before_after_cr.jpg

Just joking . . . Haven't had a control group so not sure.

Certainly worth considering and I'll try something with it in the future. :thumb_yello:

John

~

Well, she certainly looks more relaxed "after WTF" :lmfao:

[John_Cadman]

~

Well, she certainly looks more relaxed "after WTF" :lmfao:

That's the result of her listening to some solfeggio. I was listening (for the first time) to some of the solfeggio toning, chanting, compositions on youtube. These are very powerful indeed.

John

[observer]

Richard Hoagland didn't discover that we are all being lied to at every level of reality, he just coined the phrase. When one does enough research, most critical thinkers will reach the same conclusion.

If one follows the evidence surrounding the Solfeggio Scale, one will be led to the conclusion that 417Hz was abandoned in favor of 440Hz Concert A in an effort to control the Masses. Just like the use of fluoride by the Communists & the Nazis, and the mass hypnosis through the major media, and the "Oxford Template" of the educational systems, and the secret occult clubs behind the political parties, ad nauseam....

All - manipulation of the Masses. All -"lies" at every level of reality. Why would one expect any different with what the "gods" of antiquity created on the plateau at Giza? These structural "creations", after all, are the foundations of the "mind control" program here in this particular reality....

[John_Cadman]

. . . we are all being lied to at every level of reality . . . When one does enough research, most critical thinkers will reach the same conclusion.

Absolutely agree and I agree with what you have presented.

Also ingesting deadly chlorine for water sterilization ?!? UV works just as well and probably same cost. And no bizarre side effects . . . like hardening of arteries via arterial plaque.

John

"The lie is different at every level" (David Icke or Bill Ryan?)

[observer]

I interpreted no disrespect from your Solfeggio remark, John. Actually, it amused me, (me and the WTF pooch groovin' to the tune of 417Hz - A major) and has given me an opportunity to introduce a new concept into the "secrets of the Great Pyramids".

I'm in no way trying to distract from the research John has done, here. There is no doubt a portion of the function at the Giza Plateau was to draw water into this hardly conceivable "machine".

If one studies alchemy, one will realize it requires the power of the four primary elements (water, air, earth, and fire [plasma discharge]) in order to effect an alchemical reaction. Water is a critical part of the function of this machine....

[Firinn]

http://sentinelkennels.com/GPimages/Before_after_cr.jpg

Just joking . . . Haven't had a control group so not sure.

Certainly worth considering and I'll try something with it in the future. :thumb_yello:

John

:mfr_lol: Brought a wide grin to my face. Yes, please let us know how you get on when you try something with it in the future John.

Love
Firinn

[John_Cadman]

Sorry for being away . . . at the tail end of a divorce :wall: :wall: :wall: :wall:

Subterranean chamber vortex seems to being going in wrong direction according to Nassim. They could have had it go either direction. The function is the question.

http://sentinelkennels.com/GPimages/Nassim_double_taurus.jpg

Picture from part 2 of Nassim's lecture . . . (15 minutes into the 2nd half)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6151699791256390335&ei=Da-7SvypNY3uqQK6mejoBg&q=Nassim+Haramein+-+At+The+Rogue+Valley+Metaphysical+Library+2003+Par t+One&hl=en#docid=-1895475242307393956

Is the second side of the double taurus at the tail end of the pipe and in the water or . . . is it directed into the earth (directly below the sub chamber) and reacting with earth energies??

How's that for a bigger question?

Is it causing the earth energies to be tied to (coupled) the pyramid shape and structure?

John

BTW, I really like the casual colored Black Russian Terrier as opposed to the fully groomed and stacked picture! Just kind of groovin' like Patrick Flanagan in Hawaii.

[John_Cadman]

Watching Nassim again and this hit me . . . (it's a lot of info to absorb)

The compression "wave" isn't a "wave" but a compression vortex.

Watch Nassim at 3 minutes plus:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJgGMBOq6Pg&feature=PlayList&p=6F627123E6FE88A8&index=18

http://sentinelkennels.com/GPimages/CompressionWaveVortex.jpg

I'm not proficient at artwork, but showing that the compression wave is actually a rotating pulse (vortex)

The subterranean chamber has confirmed water vortex. That vortex is rotating clockwise. The hydraulic pulse is also traveling up and down the same pipe. Since the "wave" is actually a "vortex" and is traveling through the same medium . . . ???

Need Nassim's help. Hopefully he will be reading this forum soon. I called Nassim's place in Hawaii yesterday and sent some links for him to view. We'll see.

[observer]

John,

I would expect the water vortex to rotate clockwise in your model. All draining whirlpools of water (vortexes) rotate clockwise in the Northern Hemisphere due to the Coriolis effect. (Unless you direct the water to drain in the opposite direction with some sort of opposing force) Look at the natural rotation of the water draining out of your toilet. In the Southern Hemisphere the rotation would be just the opposite.

If you are saying that within your model there is just such an opposing force to cause the water to drain anti-clockwise, or if you are suggesting that in the great pyramid itself there existed some sort of mechanism to cause a counter rotation from that expected, than I missed that supposition in your explanation.

I could be wrong on this. Let's hope Nassim can give some input.

[engelish]

John

Willhelm Reich discovered/rediscovered orgone [also known as chi,prana,ki,and ether etc..] and later developed a cloudbuster which required a source of water to increase the effect.The increase seemed to produce a noxious aura around the device so much so that it had to be operated remotely,and still does,(not a very good idea!). This to me seems like an attempt at the mechanisation / industrialisation of a holistic energy but then he was of a different era I suppose. He combined alternate layers of organic and inorganic materials to collect or accumulate this "orgone" energy which he correlated with sexual energy (kundalini?) or life force whose use was beneficial to health. Many people are now producing small orgone devices from resin,metal and crystals which seem to attract or generate "orbs" amongst other things,Anyway my point is underground water had a major effect on this energy,
Now as you may know Southern England has a large chalk aquifer around the Wiltshire area and beyond, where there is a concentration of crop circles and ancient structures. More specifically Silbury Hill contains alternate layers {similar to Reichs devices} of soil,chalk,moss that is surrouded by sarsen stones internally and is close to a local spring, this seems to be echoed in reichs work.Further to this I have been practicing Reiki for about 18 months (a loose translation of reiki is "spiritually directed universal life force") basically as a balancing and health practice for myself and family i.e. my health is MY responsibility,I have learned that this ki can be and is directed by intention and in reiki is used generally on the chakra system, although the reiki is said to have its own "knowing"{consciousness?).In the second level of reiki the"reiki" is increased or focused by the use of symbols. Now cropcircles are definitely symbols, possibly magical and maybe being used to focus or imprint thoughts or intentions into the earths chakras.Maybe this is the sacred science of old.
Check out Wilhelm Reich on Youtube or James Demeo on CMN
http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/jdemeo.htm

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