Why do Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy Disagree?

[DOMINIC 777]

Why do Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy Disagree?They are going to have their own sections/blog.....the reason I ask this is because it is getting harder to discern the truth/reality......therefore how do we discern the truth and reality if the people running the forum cannot agree...what is happeing?
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dominic

[Spregovori]

it has most likely always been like this, it is just that now it will be shown and presented in different form

like i said the day i joined this forum - there is no unity here

[Anchor]

I wish I could answer this without being a moderator, the following is my own opinion and not based on any privileged knowledge.

>Why do Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy Disagree?

Different people. Different people are different because of this. Its the same between you and me, I know this as a fact, yet I never really met you or swapped banter.

> the reason I ask this is because it is getting harder to discern the truth/reality

Whatever Bill and Kerry do won't change that. Your job is to develop your own confidence in this matter. Read all you feel appropriate and decide for yourself - that is the only truth that matters - and when you have done that, you will find it is irrelevant what people tell you is "truth" because you will know already what you think and you will develop a razor sharp BS detector.

> therefore how do we discern the truth and reality if the people running the forum cannot agree

The same way as you would if they did agree.

There is a reason for everything.

From the highest perspectives everything is perfect and has its place within the order and flow. Find your own place in that perfection.

I like your avatar. You cant keep light boxed in ;)

A..

[Kulapops]

Wonderful post Anchor...

K

[lightblue]

From the highest perspectives everything is perfect and has its place within the order and flow. Find your own place in that perfection.

Well put Anchor..I like this remark.

Best L

[DOMINIC 777]

it has most likely always been like this, it is just that now it will be shown and presented in different form

like i said the day i joined this forum - there is no unity here

Hello Spregovori
Can you elaborate about what you said a bit more...quote "there is no unity here"..WHAT MAKES YOU SAY THAT?

[DOMINIC 777]

From the highest perspectives everything is perfect and has its place within the order and flow. Find your own place in that perfection.

I like your avatar. You cant keep light boxed in ;)

There is not one person on this Earth who is perfect , therefore many make mistakes , trying to find ones place in that perfection is like tring to find the keys to the holy grail of immortality....the only time when you become perfect is when you conquer your EGO and Pride.....and no-one has done that...secondly ..i want to know why Bill and Kerry disagree ..what is the reason...Bill comes from a scientific backround and knows what he is talking about..i.e REALITY....JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE A MOD MEANS NOTHING TOWARDS FINDING THE TRUTH.
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dominic

[Kulapops]

Reason: being a mod means I can fix your quote :)

lol....:lmao:

[Stardustaquarion]

I think it comes to personal responsibility. We all feel very close to Bill and Kerry and I am personally grateful because their imput in my life was life changing!

They are people like us and have their own perspective and mind and it should be like that, If this site was handled by "clones" I will not bother

For those that EXPECT that people have certain kind of behaviour, can we really impose on others our aspirations?

No one can tell us what to do really it is a personal thing, we have to take responsibility and choose ourselves, it is hard and we may want a "dad" or "mum" to do the work for us but, it will not help us grow nor will be fair on the others we are pushing to tell us what to do or give us "examples" of what to do. It is time to grow up folks, and it is not easy but there is no better time than today! No more herd mentality

Let us celebrate our differences and agree to disagree peacefully and constructivelly which is what more evolved races do. That is the way to finding win win situations.

Peaceful co-existence and cooperation only come when we can accept that others may have a different oppinion or life path and we can accept that is ok too, while at the same time we remain sovereing and hold our boundaries

Love

[Anchor]

JUST BECAUSE YOU ARE A MOD MEANS NOTHING TOWARDS FINDING THE TRUTH.

Of course.

Bill comes from a scientific backround and knows what he is talking about..

In your post, you characterized Bill, but not Kerry: allow me - I consider Kerry as someone who is not afraid to follow her intuition - and is strongly determined not to be swayed in that approach.

Both approaches are valid in their own contexts, but unless they are perfected (and we already agreed this is unlikely), then they are equally prone to allowing the practitioner to come to differing conclusions, and this cuts both ways.

That is why I think it is possible and that is what I think is the answer to your question.

A..

[Spregovori]

Hello Spregovori
Can you elaborate about what you said a bit more...quote "there is no unity here"..WHAT MAKES YOU SAY THAT?

Look around yourself

[DOMINIC 777]

Of course.



You characterized Bill, but you didn't characterize Kerry in your post: allow me - I consider Kerry as someone who is not afraid to follow her intuition - and is strongly determined not to be swayed in that approach.

Both approaches are valid in their own contexts, but unless they are perfected (and we already agreed this is unlikely), then they are equally prone to allowing the practitioner to come to differing conclusions, and this cuts both ways.

That is why I think it is possible and that is what I think is the answer to your question.

Both Bill and Kerry disagree about a specific area written on project camelot....I want to know why they disagree..Bill has a scientific backround therefore he is looking at reality..Kerry uses Intuition...both good ways of discernment...but who has the authority , REASON OR INTUITION?
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DOMINIC

[DOMINIC 777]

Look around yourself
Can you elaborate about what you said a bit more...quote "there is no unity here"..WHAT MAKES YOU SAY THAT?
No-one has the the absolute truth therefore it is a learning cycle for all of us....by finding out why people disagree we may come to the truth
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dom

[gita]

Well said Anchor.

I try to see this as a blessing in disguise and see it as a rude awakening. I’m aware that so many on this forum were losing their own inner knowing and relying more towards information seen as truth being delivered to them on a silver plate. Bill and Kerry are no different from ourselves trying to find information based in truth which in itself is extremely difficult and can push some to go back and live in ignorance. Relying on others to bring us absolute truth can also unwittingly push us back into ignorance.

I believe we’ve come so far and we’re at a stage now where we can’t afford to become complacent on our own path. It has to be our own path as this spiritual business is a lonely path and has to be this way. Try to see this as a sign that says stay centred in your truth and always maintain your own discernment. I also don’t think it’s a matter of science versus intuition – the balance between the two is what works best for me.

I do hope that those affected by this situation don’t lose heart and allow confusion to cloud their inner being – see it as a gift that fills you up with more self empowerment.

Peace.

[morguana]

because they are human like the rest of us, therefore they will disagree sometimes, maybe they should be given some space in which to work out their differences. we all make mistakes and we all argue sometimes......its called being human. what we can do as a community is support them whilst they work things out.
m x

[Stargazer1965]

Why do Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy Disagree?They are going to have their own sections/blog.....the reason I ask this is because it is getting harder to discern the truth/reality......therefore how do we discern the truth and reality if the people running the forum cannot agree...what is happeing?
lol
dominic
They are evolving.....SG

[Spregovori]

one might say that this is like scorpion and the fox...the story where scorpion, riding on foxes back, crosses the river....promising not to bite...but still does it...knowing IT WILL drawn....explaining it with: it is in my nature

to put in in "human" terms:

my sources are better than your sources
i am channeling info from 5th dimension
na-a my info is better i am channeling it from 29th dimension
yours sources are out of date, my sources are still at the source
my ET told me that earth will explode on 1.4.2010
my ET told Santa is not from north pole but Ursa Minor
my ET is more benevolent than your ET
you are a disinfo agent
no you are a disinfo agent
jesus died for you
you can only understand this once you see the light
only people with open heart can benefit from my knoweledge
it is your low self esteem that is preventing you from grasping my concept

etc......

About blowers (whistle or otherwise) in a more politically acceptable manner here - http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=17091

[lucrum]

it has most likely always been like this, it is just that now it will be shown and presented in different form

like i said the day i joined this forum - there is no unity here

Unity comes in many forms,

and I will have to say that PA/PC is standing for unity within diversity.

We are all united in a common interest, however we do not always agree about the way to travel to reach our goal. This is how it should be, as anything else would be concidered "preaching" in my opinion. We are no religion, but a big collection of different people with different ideas and thoughts.

We've come along way when we can learn to agree to disagree. ;)

[DOMINIC 777]

one might say that this is like scorpion and the fox...the story where scorpion, riding on foxes back, crosses the river....promising not to bite...but still does it...knowing IT WILL drawn....explaining it with: it is in my nature

to put in in "human" terms:

my sources are better than your sources
i am channeling info from 5th dimension
na-a my info is better i am channeling it from 29th dimension
yours sources are out of date, my sources are still at the source
my ET told me that earth will explode on 1.4.2010
my ET told Santa is not from north pole but Ursa Minor
my ET is more benevolent than your ET
you are a disinfo agent
no you are a disinfo agent
jesus died for you
you can only understand this once you see the light
only people with open heart can benefit from my knoweledge
it is your low self esteem that is preventing you from grasping my concept

etc......

About blowers (whistle or otherwise) in a more politically acceptable manner here - http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=17091

Therefore we are back to the archetypal EGO/PRIDE discussion where everyone wants to be seen as being right.....however we have to get to the truth somehow......how do you think we are going to do this?
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dom

[Astra]

There is a reason for everything.

From the highest perspectives everything is perfect and has its place within the order and flow. Find your own place in that perfection.
A..

Thanks Anchor ... well said!

in L:wub2:ve and Light
Asta

[DOMINIC 777]

They are evolving.....SG

They are evolving to what......it is truth and reality we are talking about....if they disagree about a topic..it is human nature , however we could get to the truth if we find out WHY they disagree....is it a battle between REASON and INTUITION?
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[mkspllmn]

Quick question about this:

Is there power grabbing going on behind the scenes?

Just asking.

[DOMINIC 777]

Quick question about this:

Is there power grabbing going on behind the scenes?

Just asking.

by whom?,
or is a case of Vanity , pride , conceit etc......who is doing the power grabbing?
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[Spregovori]

one of my ideas is to get all the blowers (and alike) together in one room...no cameras, no tape recorders, no audience....just them and their top secret "stuff"

let them discuss their stories...compare facts..
let them confront on their differences
let them find a common ground to work on...
let them settle their disputes....
let them have a chance to act like adults LOL

etc...

like i once told in Ryan thread....no need to come out of the room with a working 0 energy device (like anyone could actually do it) neither do we need a detailed schematics on how to make one....just come out of the room with some solid common ground to work on....

if in a boat and every man is rowing with his own tempo....the boat will..well...it will go round and round, round and round.....

and behold...there it will be....right where it started....

[DOMINIC 777]

Thanks Anchor ... well said!

in L:wub2:ve and Light
Asta
From the highest perspectives everything is perfect and has its place within the order and flow. Find your own place in that perfection.
A..

how can you find a place in perfection , when all of Mankind is imperfect and many are in darkness (ignorance).....therefore what tools do we use for perfection..REASON intuition love ..or is it something greater......what is that authority?
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[DOMINIC 777]

one of my ideas is to get all the blowers (and alike) together in one room...no cameras, no tape recorders, no audience....just them and their top secret "stuff"

let them discuss their stories...compare facts..
let them confront on their differences
let them find a common ground to work on...
let them settle their disputes....
let them have a chance to act like adults LOL

etc...

like i once told in Ryan thread....no need to come out of the room with a working 0 energy device (like anyone could actually do it) neither do we need a detailed schematics on how to make one....just come out of the room with some solid common ground to work on....

if in a boat and every man is rowing with his own tempo....the boat will..well...it will go round and round, round and round.....

and behold...there it will be....right where it started....

so what you are actually saying is that the BLIND ARE LEADING THE BLIND, however at least someone is taking the lead....The analogy of the boat works as we need a rudder , but not a broken rudder broken in 2
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[Stargazer1965]

so what you are actually saying is that the BLIND ARE LEADING THE BLIND, however at least someone is taking the lead....The analogy of the boat works as we need a rudder , but not a broken rudder broken in 2
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Whistblowing is like a grenade in a paint bucket.....Paint flies off in every direction....Some sticks to the walls but most ends up on the floor.

It's so disjointed that a rational and intelligent man cannot make heads nor tails of it.

It's like trying to interview a snowflake on how it feels like the other snowflakes.


Sorry.....Ranting now....Peace Y'all

[Anchor]

Quick question about this:

Is there power grabbing going on behind the scenes?

Just asking.

Based on what I know of Bill and Kerry over the past 2 years I sincerely doubt that. I will freely admit I found the question a little offensive, but I have tried not to let that change my answer.

Differences of opinion - aired for all to see - that is what you have seen.

A..

[DOMINIC 777]

Whistblowing is like a grenade in a paint bucket.....Paint flies off in every direction....Some sticks to the walls but most ends up on the floor.

It's so disjointed that a rational and intelligent man cannot make heads nor tails of it.

It's like trying to interview a snowflake on how it feels like the other snowflakes.


Sorry.....Ranting now....Peace Y'all

Thats O.K...the paint analogy works....however it takes someone with skill to take the grenade out , then paint a masterpiece...is there anyone on the earth that can do that?
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dom

[Spregovori]

D21....

the rudder is just one part of the whole....

think of the human animal as of clouds....when there is a time to pi**s on someone they will come in great numbers...otherwise...it is hard to see them close together...

if it might make you more "comfortable" just....decide to try being aware of your actions and do/believe what you feel it is ok to do/believe....and when in doubt...you can ask around...but the final decision should always be yours to make...and if it does not work out - you can always blame me for it ;)

[DOMINIC 777]

Based on what I know of Bill and Kerry over the past 2 years I sincerely doubt that. I will freely admit I found the question a little offensive, but I have tried not to let that change my answer.

Differences of opinion - aired for all to see - that is what you have seen.

A..

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Originally Posted by mkspllmn View Post

Is there power grabbing going on behind the scenes?

Therefore Bill and Kerry are perfect and do not suffer from pride vanity etc....

or is mkspllmmm suggesting it is Bill and Kerry who are doing the power grabbing?
They may have a difference of opinion but having 2 blog sites suggests a bigger rift....if we can find out why we may get to the truth
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dom
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[mudra]

For every agreement you 'll find a disagreement.
This is the way this 3D plane is rigged...dichotomies in a perfect balance .
That's how the mind functions when it deals with knowledge.
The only way to step out of the confusion this may generate is to ground yourself in
your own truth and to learn from soul's knowingness rather then mind's knowledge.
The soul integrates ...mental processes separate .
You are the truth .

The moment you enter into the world of words you start falling away from that which is. The more you enter into language, the farther you are away from existence.

Osho

Love Always
mudra

[DOMINIC 777]

D21....

the rudder is just one part of the whole....

think of the human animal as of clouds....when there is a time to pi**s on someone they will come in great numbers...otherwise...it is hard to see them close together...

if it might make you more "comfortable" just....decide to try being aware of your actions and do/believe what you feel it is ok to do/believe....and when in doubt...you can ask around...but the final decision should always be yours to make...and if it does not work out - you can always blame me for it ;)

These analogies are interesting...a pissing animal analogy is hard for my mind to get around... can you elaborate on this a bit more...maybe use the cloud analogy and it will **** rain on all of us
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dom

[King Lear]

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I've the feelling that the disagreement between those 2 has a personal reason.
The 2 always emphasized that they aren't a couple, but sometimes in such a platonic relationship, it happens
that one wishes that the opposite would be true.

I reckon the one is Kerry.
She's single, has no kids and is already 44 years old, and she wishes to have a partner who really supports her in every way.

Bill once wrote on the homepage that she even has difficulties to pay her rent. A fiancé would be helpful in such situations.

But Bill couldn't engage because he has alrady a fiancé in Switzerland.
And perhaps he even wouldn't engage with Kerry because he only sees her as a friend, or feels "too old for her", or whatever.

But now Kerry feels rejected and that can lead to constant disagreement, even dislike. There were rumors that the 2 don't like each other very much.
Although Bill always speaks in high respect of Kerry, a true gentleman.

But I feel that there's some truth in these conjectures.
Because just watch the video interviews of the 2 or the conference talks, Kerry always looks depressed when Bill speaks, the corners of her mouth go downwards and she looks bored.

What's also noticeable, she very often disrupts him when he speaks.
The subtext of such behaviour is: please recognize me!



Perhaps I'm totally wrong, but I've this strange feeling.






:king:

[Stargazer1965]

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I've the feelling that the disagreement between those 2 has a personal reason.
The 2 always emphasized that they aren't a couple, but sometimes in such a platonic relationship, it happens
that one wishes that the opposite would be true.

I reckon the one is Kerry. [Mod request: Please snip long quotes]
You've really put some thought into this....

It's probably a little simpler than that...

2 individuals cannot always speak with the same voice.....SG

[DOMINIC 777]

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I've the feelling that the disagreement between those 2 has a personal reason.[Forum Guideline: Please snip long quotes]

interesting thoughts King,therefore you think it is a battle based on human emotion.....what ever happened to the the higher consciousness?
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[K626]

Kerry is more earth based and Bill is more in space.:winksmiley02:

[swordsmith]

I don't come here for unity, I come for individuality.
I am grown up now, I don't need Bill and Kerry to be my parents and stay together for the family's sake. If anything I find it reassuring. Sticking to unuseful unity is what got the lowly human into the mess we are busy untangling now.
ROCK ON INDIVIDUALITY and the freedom to express it.

[Spregovori]

These analogies are interesting...a pissing animal analogy is hard for my mind to get around... can you elaborate on this a bit more...maybe use the cloud analogy and it will **** rain on all of us
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dom


What more is here to explain? I am blowing my "whistle" here. I am describing a circle...the answer could be one of my previous answers in this thread.

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for example:

and there will come the day when earth will open and you will see them return, emerging from blackness..whispers in the wind....traversing their message...calling you back...to the source...must return to the source...how shall thy respond D21? :)

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When the "time comes" (whatever that may be) it is not about Camelot or Bill and Kerry....it is about you. How do you wish to see yourself at that "time"? (no need to answer here...that is for you to know and/or to find out)

[Frank Samuel]

I do believe that the approach on what constitute a whistle blower greatly differs for both of them. The approach to determine the validity of each whistle blower is creating a bit of a stress in their friendship . Bill as everyone knows is more analytical in his approach and is very fond of grammatical presentation . Kelly is more focus on the spiritual side . In my view this duality of opposites views and approach is what has created the success of Project Camelot.
New found romance sometimes can become possessive and time consuming and is hard to balance both so the rift is created by the lover who is eager to define and claim her position in the relationship . Of course this is pure speculation. All in all I hope that they can mend their differences and continue to work together. Unity is difficult for anyone because we all posses a duality of opposites and this is always reflected in our relationships so why would we expect Bill and Kerry to be any different . Truth is define by each person as it resonates with you or not, this is the beauty of the journey within. :thumb_yello:

Blessings to all...

[Astra]

quote:
how can you find a place in perfection , when all of Mankind is imperfect and many are in darkness (ignorance).....therefore what tools do we use for perfection..REASON intuition love ..or is it something greater......what is that authority?
lol

You’ve raised a very valuable question here ... I’ll try to answer ... just give me a moment, please ... thanks, and peace to you all!

[tone3jaguar]

It is not complicated,

Bill thinks like a scientist. He has a desire to collect some level of credible data before presenting material as potentially valid. Kerry does not share this desire and is willing to present material even if there are multiple red flags showing it is not credible.

My guess is that it has been this way since the beginning and that the two personalities had in the past some how balanced off of each other to some degree. Now either one of them or both of them no longer want to sit on the seesaw anymore.

It is probably very healthy for Camelot for it to evolve and change like this. Order out of chaos, and blah blah blah.

[Majorion]

This should be interesting, I mean Kerry did the last interview by herself with McCollum, without Bill, so I'm wondering if both plan on doing some more separate interviews in the future, or was it just a one time thing that Kerry did it alone?

[DOMINIC 777]

Kerry is more earth based and Bill is more in space.:winksmiley02:

if they disagree about something there has to be a REASON....If one works on intuition and one works on reason , it would be the other way around...bill would be earthly and kerry heavenly
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[DOMINIC 777]

I do believe that the approach on what constitute a whistle blower greatly differs for both of them. The approach to determine the validity of each whistle blower is creating a bit of a stress in their friendship . Bill as everyone knows is more analytical in his approach and is very fond of grammatical presentation . Kelly is more focus on the spiritual side . In my view this duality of opposites views and approach is what has created the success of Project Camelot.
New found romance sometimes can become possessive and time consuming and is hard to balance both so the rift is created by the lover who is eager to define and claim her position in the relationship . Of course this is pure speculation. All in all I hope that they can mend their differences and continue to work together. Unity is difficult for anyone because we all posses a duality of opposites and this is always reflected in our relationships so why would we expect Bill and Kerry to be any different . Truth is define by each person as it resonates with you or not, this is the beauty of the journey within. :thumb_yello:

Blessings to all...

quote:
Truth is define by each person as it resonates with you or not, this is the beauty of the journey within.

..In this case truth is not resonating with one of them
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dom

[DOMINIC 777]

This should be interesting, I mean Kerry did the last interview by herself with McCollum, without Bill, so I'm wondering if both plan on doing some more separate interviews in the future, or was it just a one time thing that Kerry did it alone?

Hello Majorion
quote:
o I'm wondering if both plan on doing some more separate interviews in the future, or was it just a one time thing that Kerry did it alone?

I do believe they are going in different directions....there has to be a reason for everything
dom

[Northern Boy]

thread title is deceiving they have agreed to disagree

[Kulapops]

Anyone would think we were fantasising about break up of the Beatles here !

I have to agree with Mudra... it's all in your mind.

Fancy speculating about their personal relationship! Has Avalon become 'Hello' magazinge ?

:roll1:

The conjecture is all tittle-tattle.. at least two or three threads have sprung up skirting around a subject which it was asked to avoid debating (that relating to Kinsumei). it seems we just can't help ourselves...

It's a restlessness to know what you can't know... what you can never know.

So I say just Let it Be....

This is a free site, a free forum provided by Bill and Kerry and Camelot is also a free resource to use as you wish.

I am very grateful to them for providing these services. I don't have to agree with any of their actions or beliefs to be grateful.

[DOMINIC 777]

thread title is deceiving they have agreed to disagree

Thread title would be deceiving if it was not the truth /reality...have you seen the info on project camelot?

[sunny D]

Well said anchor...!:thumb_yello:





Everybody grows and has a choice to travel his/her own path....Sometimes together sometimes on your own....!

[DOMINIC 777]

[QUOTE=Kulapops;238766]Anyone would think we were fantasising about break up of the Beatles here !

I have to agree with Mudra... it's all in your mind.

Fancy speculating about their personal relationship! Has Avalon become 'Hello' magazinge ?

no , the question asked was"why are Bill and Kerry having a disagreement on a big issue and why do they need 2 blogs?
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[DOMINIC 777]

You’ve raised a very valuable question here ... I’ll try to answer ... just give me a moment, please ... thanks, and peace to you all!
and the answer is........................

[Moxie]

I think it's appropriate for Kerry to have made her statement about the mission of Camelot, and how it was disappointing that Bill would publicly post regarding someone who has come to them as a whistleblower (I'll add - as he did w/Greer). She would not have had to air that she disagreed w/Bill's view if he had not publicly done that.

And when two people are working so close together plus one male, one female and you have become very close friends, there is a sort of love/hate that sometimes surfaces. I have a "best" friend of 35 yrs (male, I'm female) and we can butt heads like all getout... it had great mirror/feedback thing when you're "free" to do so, it's like family, your Safe to fully express yourself, the unconditional part of love allows this.

And they can cover greater ground, interview more people when they split up once in a while. Thank you Kerry for making your statement about Camelot's mission and sticking to the principle of exposure, not judgment.

[DOMINIC 777]

I think it's appropriate for Kerry to have made her statement about the mission of Camelot, and how it was disappointing that Bill would publicly post regarding someone who has come to them as a whistleblower (I'll add - as he did w/Greer). She would not have had to air that she disagreed w/Bill's view if he had not publicly done that.

And when two people are working so close together plus one male, one female and you have become very close friends, there is a sort of love/hate that sometimes surfaces. I have a "best" friend of 35 yrs (male, I'm female) and we can butt heads like all getout... it had great mirror/feedback thing when you're "free" to do so, it's like family, your Safe to fully express yourself, the unconditional part of love allows this.

And they can cover greater ground, interview more people when they split up once in a while. Thank you Kerry for making your statement about Camelot's mission and sticking to the principle of exposure, not judgment.

Thank you Moxie, this makes sound sense...but there has to be a fundamental paradigm shift of consciousness if they are not agreeing....so therefore we have 2 different paths to follow
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dom

[orthodoxymoron]

I see Bill and Kerry as facilitators and investigators...rather than gurus with all the answers. I would hope that they question each other and disagree. This whole endeavor is about asking questions and agreeing to disagree without being disagreeable.

:mad3:Namaste:mad3:

[DOMINIC 777]

I see Bill and Kerry as facilitators and investigators...rather than gurus with all the answers. I would hope that they question each other and disagree. This whole endeavor is about asking questions and agreeing to disagree without being disagreeable.

:mad3:Namaste:mad3:

I agree with what you say, but there must be a paridigm shift of consciousness if they are disagreeing on sensitive issues
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dom

[SteveX]

Dominic 777 please forgive my bluntness but I fail to see why you're seemingly looking beyond the facts.


1) Bill & Kerry are like Mulder & Scully in reverse....yes?

2) 2 opinions are better than 1 for us to make our own mind up...yes?

3) You do not need Bill or Kerry to tell you what to believe....yes?

If you've answered yes to all 3 then that’s basically it......yes?

yer yer we can turn into a soaps plot line. Kerry is scorning Bills affections or visa versa. They’re no longer in love. It's a power play for royalties from the movie rights. One is glory seeking over the other.

Also, you have to remember these changes were announced before this kinsu debacle. So just perhaps they want to explore their own lines of interest to put before us.

[K626]

Dominic 777 please forgive my bluntness but I fail to see why you're seemingly looking beyond the facts.


1) Bill & Kerry are like Mulder & Scully in reverse....yes?

2) 2 opinions are better than 1 for us to make our own mind up...yes?

3) You do not need Bill or Kerry to tell you what to believe....yes?

If you've answered yes to all 3 then that’s basically it......yes?

yer yer we can turn into a soaps plot line. Kerry is scorning Bills affections or visa versa. They’re no longer in love. It's a power play for royalties from the movie rights. One is glory seeking over the other.

Also, you have to remember these changes were announced before this kinsu debacle. So just perhaps they want to explore their own lines of interest to put before us.

Tbf I don't think Dom777 is being overly serious. :original:

[DOMINIC 777]

[QUOTE=SteveX;238800]Dominic 777 please forgive my bluntness but I fail to see why you're seemingly looking beyond the facts.


1) Bill & Kerry are like Mulder & Scully in reverse....yes?

2) 2 opinions are better than 1 for us to make our own mind up...yes?

3) You do not need Bill or Kerry to tell you what to believe....yes?

If you've answered yes to all 3 then that’s basically it......yes?

yer yer we can turn into a soaps plot line. Kerry is scorning Bills affections or visa versa. They’re no longer in love. It's a power play for royalties from the movie rights. One is glory seeking over the other.

hello stevex,
there is a far deeper question to the question....there is a paradigm shift of consciousness , if they disagree on sensitive issues,Bill is probably looking at it from a rational and reality perspective, whilst Kerry is looking at the sensitive issue, IN AN INTUITIVE WAY....therefore which is the higher authority?
lol

[Moxie]

Dominic wrote: "but there has to be a fundamental paradigm shift of consciousness if they are not agreeing...so therefore we have 2 different paths to follow"

I can only chuckle at that. Follow another's path if you wish, it's your dilemma.

[DOMINIC 777]

Dominic wrote: "but there has to be a fundamental paradigm shift of consciousness if they are not agreeing...so therefore we have 2 different paths to follow"

I can only chuckle at that. Follow another's path if you wish, it's your dilemma.

I am glad you had a chuckle.....the 2 paths are....REASON and REALITY or INTUITION and LOVE.......which is the higher authority on the earth and why?
LOL

[joe2288]

But now Kerry feels rejected and that can lead to constant disagreement


:lmao: I laughing so hard I can barely keep my self together. King Lear I do not

know how you came to that conclusion but regardless of how it really made me

laugh regardless if it is true or not. I just see Bill and Kerry as two different

people, with similar but different opinions. I think the work they have done is

amazing and applaud them for it The End.

[SteveX]

Tbf I don't think Dom777 is being overly serious. :original:

Oh bugger. Trust me to get too deep. :lol3:
So no discovery of the exponential realism or the soap opera?

[gita]

I am glad you had a chuckle.....the 2 paths are....REASON and REALITY or INTUITION and LOVE.......which is the higher authority on the earth and why?
LOL



Neither is higher than the other nor are they necessarily separate paths. It’s just a difference in point of view which they are allowed to have. It has nothing to do with shift in consciousness. Everyone on PA has had a shift in consciousness and we all got there using different paths but we don’t all agree on everything.:mfr_omg:

[Peace of mind]

It’s just parallel routes to the same destination, the destination known as “The Truth”. More can be covered traveling different avenues. People are wired to do things their way. Some are risk takers, live in the fast lane, life on the edge dudes….while some don’t like to fly, and might like taking in the sights by journeying the high ways and seas. However the quest one chooses…the discovery of truth is still the main goal…of all of us. Any sway in focus will only cause turbulence and bumps in the road. Let’s just get there safely…ok.

Peace

[Astra]

and the answer is........................

It is coming, :wink2: a promise is a promise ... I've been working on it but ... I got cought up in this 3D World - :sad: - meaning – I have to go to work ...:tears:.... will be back in few hours and will post my answer ... till then -:original: peace and L:wub2:ve from Astra! :original:

[eleni]

Bill and Kerry were a couple. Couple's have history and it's not uncommon IMO to have differing viewpoints and opinions. It's also not uncommon for 2 people who have been intimate with each other to communicate the way they do (example- making it public they do not agree on same issues).

Both Kerry and Bill have different personalities and ways of approaching and discerning information.

[DOMINIC 777]

:lmao: I laughing so hard I can barely keep my self together. King Lear I do not

know how you came to that conclusion but regardless of how it really made me

laugh regardless if it is true or not. I just see Bill and Kerry as two different

people, with similar but different opinions. I think the work they have done is

amazing and applaud them for it The End.

HELLO JOE
I think King Lear is a romantic.
.however we have 2 different types of people one who is a Rational Realist, the other an Intuitive Altruist...THE 4 make up the make -up of any human being.REASON, REALITY,LOVE , INTUITION...

[King Lear]

:lmao: I laughing so hard I can barely keep my self together. King Lear I do not

know how you came to that conclusion but regardless of how it really made me

laugh regardless if it is true or not. I just see Bill and Kerry as two different

people, with similar but different opinions. I think the work they have done is

amazing and applaud them for it The End.

But what if I'm right? :wink2:
Will you still laugh then?


And I aplaud them too. That's for sure.

:king:

[metaw3]

But what if I'm right?


Of course you're right if the facts you stated are actual. I didn't know all these things. But then it's theirs and they don't have to tell us, so we might never know for sure.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but I've the feelling that the disagreement between those 2 has a personal reason.

[Céline]

i am not sure, if i was Bill or Kerry, that i would see all of this "reaction" as complimentary

i must say , i did not read any posts in this thread...i am frustrated with the predictable reactions of some of the members here...

i am curious about a few things...and have some questions..

For the members and MODS

Why do you come to Avalon or Camelot?

1- Entertainment
2-Education
3-Love

if 1 is your answer... There are many well versed members who keep many entertained with their witt and cynicism..

if 2 is your answer......Wow, so much to learn, i feel like im in pre-school still..

if 3 is your answer... Such pure love here sometimes i feel overwhelmed..



for Bill and Kerry...

1-Are you entertainers?

2-Do you still feel you have much to learn?

3- Do you feel loved?

i am very interested to hear both your answers.


To answers the threads question...

They disagree because it is a healthy and balanced thing to do..

Do we want founders that agree on everything?

i find the duality between the two to be a positive in the growth of the two forums...as well as my personal growth...

As parents, Richard and i often disagree...but we NEVER let the kids see it..

Mods, founders..in my opinion are required to show a common front so that the members who rely on them can feel secure...

Imagine a forum where Bill and Kerry agreed on EVERYTHING..

It would not be...Entertaining...Educational...or very Loving..

It would seem fake..

Growth...Love...Truth...These are my Goals...and i know...theses are Bill And Kerrys goals as well.

We may not all take the same road to get there, but in the end it brings us together.

[voltus]

patience

[Kulapops]

I think Wilco have the answer

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K x

[DOMINIC 777]

[QUOTE=Céline;238853][SIZE="2"][COLOR="Plum"]
i must say , i did not read any posts in this thread...i am frustrated with the predictable reactions of some of the members here...

If we are predictable, then you know what I am going to say next.....therefore you might like to reply to it
lol





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[DOMINIC 777]

[QUOTE=King Lear;238846]But what if I'm right? :wink2:
Will you still laugh then?

No, he would probab;y lear at you
lol

[illuminate]

who are Bill and Kerry??

~ you are love ~

[Céline]

who are Bill and Kerry??

~ you are love ~

They are the founders here..of Project Avalon and Project camelot

[joe2288]

[QUOTE=King Lear;238846]But what if I'm right? :wink2:
Will you still laugh then?

No, he would probab;y lear at you
lol

What is learing at someone mean lol

[Rocky_Shorz]

what has always made Camelot so special is the mixture, the spiritual connection to the one showing us others are out there and the advancment in technology bringing us to the proof it isn't imagined.

The attraction for all of us here is the knowledge we crave and the voices of those willing to share.

I myself hope this storm will pass and the sun will rise again in the morning. :sneaky2:

[Rocky_Shorz]

[QUOTE=DOMINIC 777;238866]

What is "Lear"ing at someone mean lol

Coming from the King, just about anything...

[Céline]

Ok...well this convo is fun...maybe we should continue it in the chat room? (see signature)

[Shaynard]

who are Bill and Kerry??

~ you are love ~

People.. Just like you and I. :)

I am thankful they have made this choice. I am thankful it was done quickly and decisively as opposed to dragging it out, and creating bigger problems. I love them both, and I am happy they are following their own path(s) even if it requires a little separation into different approaches.

It was meant to happen, and I am happy to see it continue to evolve and grow.


In light, of love
Shaynard

[DOMINIC 777]

[QUOTE=DOMINIC 777;238866]

What is learing at someone mean lol

Hello joe..play on words ..leer =a facial expression of contempt or scorn; the upper lip curls.
His name is King LEAR.....therefore he would leer at you
lol
dominic

[DOMINIC 777]

People.. Just like you and I. :)

I am thankful they have made this choice. I am thankful it was done quickly and decisively as opposed to dragging it out, and creating bigger problems. I love them both, and I am happy they are following their own path(s) even if it requires a little separation into different approaches.

It was meant to happen, and I am happy to see it continue to evolve and grow.


In light, of love
Shaynard

I agree, they have done a great job..and they must be under real pressure..
therefore we send them our love and compassion
lol
dominic

[Astra]

Hello Dominic777, I am back from the matrix to my inner sanctuary ... :original:

I’ve just read all I had written in response to your question, only to conclude how I have not said let alone found anything that had not been told in the past ... Anyhow, I am going to post this ...

Here we go ...

Anchor said: “there is a reason for everything. From the highest perspective, everything is perfect. Find your own place in that perfection”

Astra said: “Thanks Anchor, well said!”

Dominic said: “how can you find a place in perfection, when all of Mankind is imperfect (Iignorance) ... therefore what tools do we use for perfection ...Reason, intuition, love ...or is it something greater ...what is that authority?


Well, I can relate to what you have been trying to convey ... I asked the very same questions vey often .. still do, though... as I am just a seeker of Truth, like all our fellow Avalonians are.

There is so much grief, torture, treachery, desperation, suffering around us ... and one has to ask questions and get clarifications as to how to transcend and evolve from this pitiful state of Humanity.

Who is that perfect one who knows the answers? Indeed, how to find perfection while living in the world of hidden agendas, where all of a sudden we learn that we have been lied about pretty much everything? We live in a “very interesting times” – just like an ancient curse says it nicely...
Lets change this phrase a bit and say how we “live in the ever changing world” in which “Power corrupts, but absolute Power corrupts absolutely!” - We could all agree on this one, am I right?

So, where does this “absolute” and “corruption prone Power” come from? It comes from ignorance, from the infamous 3D Reality, from the dense, uncultivated Mind, desire of “me”... etc ... etc... this “ignorance” breeds fear ... fear breeds more “ignorance” ... and the vicious "Merry-Go-Round” continues ... we try to escape it, transform it, transcend it ... so, we start changing world around us ... I point finger ... I judge ... “me” accuse – while “they” abuse ... no ending ...

If we think this power is external and we have to conquer it externally, then we have to grasp and transform a corrupted Reality by the means of 5 senses ...

But we know we are multisensory beings ... we have been born with an internal power that, unfortunately, get’s berried as we exit the age of “innocence of a child” and enter the “real world of adults” ... we conform to the rules of Society, PTB, institutions of all kinds imposed on us only to enslave free thinking and free spirit ... Welcome to the 3D Realm! ...where we have an Illusion of conquering the contaminated Illusion! ...

The pursuit of external power has produced distorted understanding of the evolution of Mankind ... it generated and perpetuated conflict between nations, superpowers et. etc.... it seems like we are at the very edge of destruction. Are we?

We have been born with engraved ability to fully acknowledge the sacredness of life ... Welcome to the real Power, True Reality in which we understand life/others/Universe without judgment, but from our heart. It is about listening to intuition while knowing that we are not the only intelligent form of life that exists (and Avalonians know this very well!!!).

So when important questions arise in us, there is the option of receiving inspiration from the other sources much different than the matrix ... We can call this place /source as we like it , “the Universe” or the “Higher Self”... or something else ... as long as I allow myself to get that guidance and acknowledge the existence of nonphysical reality I will be on my way home ...
I know to some this could sound too “new-age -ish” ... perhaps naive, or not well sounded in “reality” ... Or not? I know many of us have had this experience when, either while meditating, lucid dreaming, having OBE or just spontaneously we enter the Seat of our True Self... a place where there is no fear that breeds ignorance ... a place of "oneness" ... no Ego
Of course another question comes to mind and that one is – how we stay in this state of so called “bliss” all the time, while the ptb continues with agendas, while we have to pay our bills, for example ... and do much more of the “matrix thing”?! It is all about choosing to learn through Wisdom instead of through fears and doubts. It is about responsibility. It is about a sincere Self-observation that will allow us to acknowledge false addictions of the Ego to External Powers ...

And then we come to the essence of a spiritual relationship with the Self and with the Universe. We come to our inner power. Illusion of 3D becomes a learning instrument for a spiritual growth.

This could be a separate thread, I guess, but at the same time I feel there is a need to say it here .. as everything is, shall we say, intertwined ... and we all know this fact...

In a nutshell – I talked waaaay too much here,:mfr_omg: while You, Dominic, gave answers while asking your questions:wink2::original:

To go back to the topic of your thread ... to Kerry and Bill and why they do not agree ... I will quote others and try to make my point:



To answers the threads question...

i find the duality between the two to be a positive in the growth of the two forums...as well as my personal growth...

Mods, founders..in my opinion are required to show a common front so that the members who rely on them can feel secure...

Growth...Love...Truth...These are my Goals...and i know...theses are Bill And Kerrys goals as well.

We may not all take the same road to get there, but in the end it brings us together.

:wub2: well said:wub2:



there is a far deeper question to the question... if they disagree on sensitive issues,Bill is probably looking at it from a rational and reality perspective, whilst Kerry is looking at the sensitive issue, IN AN INTUITIVE WAY....therefore which is the higher authority?
lol

Or how abou this: a scientific –eye and an intuitive heart combined together – what a perfect blend of human potential :wub2::wub2:


For every agreement you 'll find a disagreement.
This is the way this 3D plane is rigged...dichotomies in a perfect balance .
That's how the mind functions when it deals with knowledge.
The only way to step out of the confusion this may generate is to ground yourself in
your own truth and to learn from soul's knowingness rather then mind's knowledge.

You are the truth .



:wub2:mudra, thank you:wub2:

. Truth is define by each person as it resonates with you or not, this is the beauty of the journey within. :thumb_yello:

Blessings to all...

Anchor said: “there is a reason for everything. From the highest perspective, everything is perfect. Find your own place in that perfection”


Yes ... and blessings and peace to you all ... :original:

in L:wub2:ve and Light
Astra

[Moxie]

If the two of them did not disagree, especially did not publish their disagreement there would be no need for this Thread, which is an entire distraction away from the information that was given.
The premise and foundation of Camelot is to publish words or videos of whistleblowers, period, not to publish Bill or Kerry's "take" on the validity.

Myself? Personally, it was a "given" in my mind that they have disagreements, big deal! I am saddened and disappointed, just as is Kerry that their personal views are being aired because it leads to discussions such as this.

Who cares really, which one is right or wrong in their initial discerning of a whistleblower.... any one of them can get derailed at any time... we are "both the deceiver and the deceived"... if you don't "get that", well then, you have not yet faced your true self.

Why is that so difficult for most posters here to realize?

[Harry_CDN]

I'm glad to hear they have differences. Also they will continue to differences at various times. One must remember both are very strong people.
Having the differences provides checks and balances.


Lastly, "Why do Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy Disagree?" because both are human.

[Anchor]

Why is that so difficult for most posters here to realize?

If you do a quick count you may find that most posters have not found it that hard at all.

Here is a list of contributors to this thread at the time of this post to help you check:

Name Posts

DOMINIC 777 29
Spregovori 6
Kulapops 4
Astra 4
Céline 3
Anchor 3
Moxie 3
Stargazer1965 3
K626 2
SteveX 2
gita 2
King Lear 2
joe2288 2
Rocky_Shorz 2
Frank Samuel 1
swordsmith 1
voltus 1
Peace of mind 1
lucrum 1
orthodoxymoron 1
lightblue 1
metaw3 1
Shaynard 1
eleni 1
Northern Boy 1
morguana 1
mkspllmn 1
mudra 1
sunny D 1
Majorion 1
Stardustaquarion 1
tone3jaguar 1
illuminate 1

A..

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

i think its great for them to split the site into two , its getting two big and needs to evolve. both can present their own information from different contexts. i think it can only be a bonus. we get more content and we can choose between more information. camelot was getting off track somewhat in 2009 and was infact quite stale.

this statre of affairs may have been due to a string of non events which many of us thought were going to be earth changing, but nothing happened.

this division of information and therefore increase in content can only be a good thing.:cup:

[Mercuriel]

Right now - All I can really say is - Hmmm, still Processing...

[Carol]

I read these threads and am constantly shaking my head these days.

Avalon is about finding safe places, information and resources for building communities and site suggestions.

What difference does it make if Bill or Kerry agree? Bill's current focus is Avalon and Kerry's Camelot. Camelot has always been Kerry's primary interest. Camelot is also in Kerry's name for the simple reason that she is a US citizen who lives in California and Bill is not a US citizen and lives in Europe. Whether they were a couple or not is nobody's business.

Kerry has her own focus with her own priorities as does Bill. When they do agree they work together on a project. When their focus is elsewhere their attention is on what works for them as individuals.

If the OP is referring to the kinsuemie2 situation... disagreement was likely due to the two having different pieces of information. And it is likely that Kerry, who is here in the US, has a closer tab on what is going on then Bill, who is thousands of miles away in Europe.

[Céline]

I read these threads and am constantly shaking my head these days.



i must agree with you dear carol..

but..

i do not fear change...or even chaos...

i find some very balancing properties with chaos that is sometimes needed..

just keep picturing the beautiful pheonix..born of chaos and fire!

http://joelfernandez.webs.com/PhoenixBird.jpg

[Northern Boy]

any one here divorced its the same story . We start down a path enjoying the travel .sooner or later you end up at a fork in the path which way one goes depends on the path they feel most comfortable inevitably they get to a fork where its time to go similar but separate ways . Feelings for each other alter only slightly but enough to cause them to separate and take the road or path of one`s own choosing

[THE eXchanger]

off to paint a phoenix ;) thanks celine

with bill, or with kerry

we just get more, and, more ;) ;)

good stuff

[Seafury]

The Phoenix

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/24/64615651_72fd0c7346.jpg

[morguana]

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sometimes splits happen (in work, love, friendships etc), its a part of learning and growing, all apart of the cycle of life.

love m x

[gita]

morguana, your energy has been extra extra special today and it has not gone unnoticed. Thank you for you. xx:thumb_yello::wub2:

Ah, Fleetwood Mac, brings back memories. :wub2:

[burgundia]

morguana, your energy has been extra extra special today and it has not gone unnoticed. Thank you for you. xx:thumb_yello::wub2:

:wub2:

Yep!!:thumb_yello:

[morguana]

thanks girls :wub2::wub2::wub2:

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feel so very much love for folk
m x

[Majorion]

morguana has probably been the only calm, collected, and uplifiting person today.

Everybody else...
:throw:

[Oliver]

I am joining Morguana...:original:

_03uXQiz6eY

[morguana]

hay oliver, good sounds, and love to you
m x

[Oliver]

hay oliver, good sounds, and love to you
m x

:welcomeani::wub2:

[THE eXchanger]

morguana, your energy has been extra extra special today and it has not gone unnoticed. Thank you for you. xx:thumb_yello::wub2:

Ah, Fleetwood Mac, brings back memories. :wub2:

yes, morguana, you have been very charming today, thank you !!!

is there a new social group, for this ???