Thuban Thoughts

[orthodoxymoron]

I'm beginning a journey through the abraxasinas thread http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18900 ...and I'm having a difficult time getting started. I've been reading bits and pieces...and I've even asked a few questions...but I've found it difficult to spend the many hours necessary to make a proper and fair analysis. So...this thread is intended to make me read the whole thread...and make observations along the way. This is sort of a public journal...and I have absolutely no agenda. I won't be asking abraxasinas direct questions...and I'll probably mostly be engaging in positive reinforcement and attempted understanding...with emphasis on 'attempted'. I won't be expecting comments from anyone...but feel free to comment. Again...this is just a public journal regarding abraxasinas and the Council of Thuban. Don't expect anything earth-shattering or profound to come of this. Here goes!

I've been finding it helpful to listen to some music while reading the Thuban thread. It sort of puts me in the mood...so to speak. 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKImiR7a4zw 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UE-ZURUeZo&feature=PlayList&p=BA0A2B9250C7BE0E&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=34 (I used to be able to play this one!) 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjqbee8cRyw&feature=related 4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm4knZ1Bm3s&feature=related 5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0XSH1uIHUo&feature=related 6. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLnTmKSAlm4&feature=related

:original: Namaste :wink2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wink2: Freedom :original:

[orthodoxymoron]

I'm basically going to try to make one post per 'page'. I will make random thoughts...which will in no way be scholarly or authoritative. Just thinking out loud.

I keep thinking of abraxasinas as being the figure in the avatar (on the Thuban thread) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3A6_blpqpU ...and as being an ancient female human/reptilian hybrid...and as representing the interdimensional reptilian position...in a somewhat complex and evasive manner. Just my initial impression. I'm thinking that I'll have to do a lot of reading between the lines. Is the music I chose representative of the realm I am entering? Are cathedrals and cathedral music really representative of ancient human creativity...or ancient reptilian creativity? Notice especially the gargoyles. I keep thinking of the word 'ancient'.

Anyway...the hellish realm described was somewhat shocking to me. I didn't expect what I read. It was a bit offensive...but it made me curious. Is there really such a realm? Was this a fictional description of something which really exists...or was it pretty much a literal eye-witness description? Should subsequent posts be viewed from this context? This wasn't really a great way to win friends and influence people...was it? Shouldn't one start out with the sugar-coated stuff...and then move into the graphic and hellish stuff later on? Again...I was somewhat shocked. However...are we too hypocritical and prudish? Do we deny reality? Would this sort of a hell actually be fun? Would we admit as much? Would a hellish orgy actually be a turn-on? I think I'd much prefer some fine Nordic companionship! Uff dah! Nuff said!

I keep getting the feeling that both the Human and Reptilian races are wrong. That an original sin led to an equal and opposite sin...or something like that. I'm focusing on the concept of two basic races...Reptilian and Human...in conflict with each other for millions (or billions) of years. I intend no demonization or triumphalism. I just want to try to get a sense of the various components of the mess we all find ourselves in. I don't think that it's a pretty picture. I really wish to be fair and honest. No lasting solution will emerge without fairness and honesty. Unfortunately...I'm quite neurotic, gullible, and helpless. Keep that in mind.

It might be helpful to listen to the Anna Hayes 'Earth History' lecture before proceeding. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0sncfZpRok (no longer available - copyright issues - money issues) I think I'll take the time to do so. (guess not) This stuff gets really complex and intricate...and it is pretty much impossible to verify. Is this just a big mind-game...or is this stuff really real? If we embrace all of this...will someone show up in a couple of years...and convince us to go in a completely different direction? Where does all of this confusion and complexity end?

OK...I just finished the first page. Only 53 to go! Whoo Hoo! I do get the feeling that we are under a Draconian Theocracy...and that we are Prisoners of War on a Prison Planet with Grey Guards and a Reptilian Warden. I desire Human Sovereignty...but I also desire an end to all Theocracy (in the dictatorial, master/slave, unquestionable authority sense). 'Thou Shalt Have No Gods' should be the first and last commandment. I feel as though we got our butts kicked by the Reps...and that we probably deserved it...but that now it is time to move on. All of the complexity on this first page seems to obscure the real issues. I suspect that there is a lot more complexity and confusion in my immediate future. Oh Goody!

:original: Namaste :wink2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wink2: Freedom :original:

[TRANCOSO]

When I posted my reply: "Ja, lekker dan, zo ken ik er nog wel een paar!" I used a Dutch expression a Google translater can't cope with. Just to see how 'allmighty' abraxasinas would handle that. Well. he didn't. Actually he came up with a 'Google' translation, which doesn't even comes close to my reply. So my conclusion is that Draconians don't speak Dutch. :nono::lmfao:

[Steven]

When I posted my reply: "Ja, lekker dan, zo ken ik er nog wel een paar!" I used a Dutch expression a Google translater can't cope with. Just to see how 'allmighty' abraxasinas would handle that. Well. he didn't. Actually he came up with a 'Google' translation, which doesn't even comes close to my reply. So my conclusion is that Draconians don't speak Dutch. :nono::lmfao:

:lol3::lol3::lol3:

Thanks Ortho, I will follow it up!

Namaste, Steven

[orthodoxymoron]

When I posted my reply: "Ja, lekker dan, zo ken ik er nog wel een paar!" I used a Dutch expression a Google translater can't cope with. Just to see how 'allmighty' abraxasinas would handle that. Well. he didn't. Actually he came up with a 'Google' translation, which doesn't even comes close to my reply. So my conclusion is that Draconians don't speak Dutch. :nono::lmfao:

If you ain't Dutch...you ain't much! But...Drac is Beautiful! Draconians are more numerical than verbal...aren't they? Do they rely on computers and databases a lot? (Grey Super Computers with an Ancient Human Technology Database?!) I get the feeling that they are quite the fighters...but that their thought processes are more methodical and less spontaneous than ours...and that they follow orders better than we do. Just an initial impression. But I've never met one...that I know of! Then again...what if our souls are Reptilian...or at least the same as Reptilian souls? Somehow...on a mental, emotional, or spiritual level...the Reptilians seem to need us. Or...do they simply want Human bodies...hence all of the horrible genetics experiments? I once heard a pastor say that 'God needs us'. Are the Reptilians our 'God'? I don't mean to trample anyone's faith...and I do have a different kind of faith...complete with eternal life...but it is certainly not traditional Christianity...or even New Age.

I wonder if Courtney Brown has remote viewed the Council of Thuban or Alpha Draconis? Was this the center of power for the Grey Collective which Courtney remote viewed? Did he remote view abraxasinas? Hmmmmm.

:original: Namaste :wink2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wink2: Freedom :original:

[777 The Great Work]

What are THUBAN THOUGHTS :lmao::roftl::roftl::roftl::lmfao::lmfao:
This sounds like DR PHIL :lmao: I prescribe RIDLAND:lmao:
:roll1::roll1:

[orthodoxymoron]

What are THUBAN THOUGHTS :lmao::roftl::roftl::roftl::lmfao::lmfao:
This sounds like DR PHIL :lmao: I prescribe RIDLAND:lmao:
:roll1::roll1:

I take it that you're not a believer?! What caused you to lose your faith?

'Thuban Thoughts' are just my thoughts about abraxasinas, the Council of Thuban, and the Human/Reptilian conflict. I thought about calling the thread the 'Thuban Missile Crisis' with a tie-in to the 'Norway Spiral'...but then I got serious. How would we identify a genuine good-faith attempt by a key Reptilian Being to make peace with the Human Race?? Could this be such an attempt? If so...we wouldn't want Dr. Phil to $crew things up...now would we? RIDLAND? Actually...I think I need a prefrontal lobotomy...followed up with a cocktail of mind-altering drugs...provided by the CIA!!! :lol3:

By the way...any thoughts about the abraxasinas avatar...in relation to your old avatar?

:original: Namaste :wink2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wink2: Freedom :original:

[orthodoxymoron]

I just finished page 2. Wow! What a lot of unfamiliar terms, concepts, and information! This is almost like visiting a foreign country...and not being able to understand the language...and trying to figure out what the hell is going on! Is this sort of conversation really necessary or beneficial? Is this the language of the Gods and Goddesses...which only they can understand...so as not to fraternize with the goyim?

I found this abraxasinas comment quite interesting:

"8. It is untrue that any cosmic- extraterrestrial or interdimensional race is planning to 'blast' the earth and its inhabitants with some 'weapon' to cause a poleshift in 2012. Yes you are not only free to create your own destiny, but you are destined to travel and communicate to and with the lifeforms within the galaxies to share your experiences of your 'great metamorphosis' from human caterpillar to starhuman butterfly with others. Eventually, you my dear starchild from Cassiopeia, you will achieve galactic consciousness and your lightbody will facilitate the galaxies and stars you now observe as the cells within your body. You will then no longer be a Queen of the Bull, but you shall be a Universe interacting with other Universes."

So...no doomsday? No quarantine? We are already sovereign? (abraxasinas indicated to me that Human sovereignty was not a good idea now...maybe later). 'Queen of the Bull' reminds me of Hathor. abraxasinas reminds me of Hathor...but then I've never met Hathor! A person shall be a Universe interacting with other Universes? Does a lightbody imply having no physicality? I don't ever want to not have physicality. I think this would be descension rather than ascension.

TRANCOSO provided an interesting quote:

'We stood before it and began to freeze inside from the exertion. We questioned the painting, berated it, made love to it, prayed to it: We called it mother, called it whore and sl#t, called it our beloved, called it Abraxas...'
(Excerpt from 'DEMIAN' by Hermann Hesse)

This quote, and the avatar, point to the feminine. The energy of abraxasinas seems more feminine than masculine to me. I feel as though I know this energy. It feels familiar...somehow...as if people I have known and listened to...have been instructed by this intelligence. Hmmmmmmm.

The signature is also interesting. The many in one...and one in many. This made me think of 'Legion - for we are many'. Also...'all for one...and one for all'. And 'out of many...one'.

I keep feeling as though abraxasinas dances around the real issues...in an almost sing-song above-it-all manner. Just a feeling...mind you.

:original: Namaste :wink2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wink2: Freedom :original:

[777 The Great Work]

Believing is not knowing,trusting is not knowing.Truth is pretty simple,deception is complex when we need something outside of ourselves, to believe in. B(lame) makes us lame, and paralyzed in the root chakra. A Fault is a crack in the EARTH and HEART. :original:

[Gnosis5]

Even after you can put all the datastream together and see the construct he is building or explaining, what will it serve you in terms of increased self-awareness, not just intellectually?

There is infinite creation and infinite non-creation and I suppose I am in the mood for heading back the other way to the Big Zero :-)

[orthodoxymoron]

I think there is a thread of truth which runs through the ancient mythologies...stories of gods, goddesses, and pharaohs...the biblical record, channeled and remotely viewed information, regression hypnosis, etc...but that most of it is pure BS. I think there is something very special about abraxasinas. I've never encountered anyone like this. I've never encountered information like this. This isn't just anybody...I don't think. But who knows...it could be an NSA experiment to see how we might react to this sort of thing. This could conceivably be pulled off by an NSA staffer with a Cray Supercomputer. Damned if I know. All of this Galactic Federation and SaLuSa stuff might be Alphabet Agency generated to prepare the public for the genuine ET generated BS which is coming. How do we really know anything for certain? Anybody can make up anything. I have pulled back from my biblical upbringing because of the complexity and contradictions...not to mention the utter absurdities. I desire simple clarity. Remember the Tower of Babel incident? If you can't convince 'em...confuse 'em. Try to reduce concepts to their most simple forms...and keep them simple. Of course...when I have tried to do this...people pay no attention because they think there's nothing special or spooky going on...and that it's too simple. Go figure. I will continue through the entire Thuban thread...because I think it's significant...regardless of the source. It shouldn't be ignored. It could possibly be a huge part of disclosure. Who knows? If you were a Reptilian/Human hybrid with a 500 IQ and total reincarnational recall...and had been the key mediator between the Reptilian and Human races for thousands of years...and had witnessed unmentionable atrocities throughout the centuries...how might you deal with an Avalon Q & A? It would be hard...wouldn't it? I don't think we have any idea what this might be like...but I do think there is a very real possibility that such an individual exists. Could this individual be abraxasinas? I don't know. I will continue to be somewhat neutral...probing and irreverent...but I will give the Thuban thread some careful consideration...and I will attempt to relate it to the other threads I have been struggling with. This is uncharted territory.

:original: Namaste :wink2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wink2: Freedom :original:

[Gnosis5]

So what!!! He came from the same "Source" you came from. If you retrace and re-establish your recognition of that connection and be the All-that-is how looming and daunting will anyone or any construct appear to you then?

Do I go around specializing in explaining to people the magic or science of how I created universe spirals or "Jewels of Knowledge" or multiple time tracks (variations of torus), or pineal glands that fill our skulls, ad infinitum?!? I could, but how would that serve you by pretending to loom larger than you? It would only be an apparency anyways, thus a lie, not an actuality.

I could say more in the heat of passion, but I'll subside for now :-)

[Ross H]

Ortho, I wish to acknowledge your tireless questioning of all...well done...

I have always enjoyed reading your thoughts, which you transcribe well into text. You are an honest individual in search of answers. I like your attitude in rergards to openly admitting that you 'dont really know' this is a wise truth of yours.

Peace

[Lionhawk]

A good idea to starting a thread outside of the Dragon's den Ortho. If I may......This Thuban material is a real stirrer across the board effecting everyone differently, as in profoundly.

What I have concluded is that the laws of attraction have brought it to here, at this forum. Now why is that? Because the potential for it to be realized was already here before it got here. Once the potential threshold was crossed over, it came into manifestation. The parameters for it to cause it to hit the ground running under a Q & A format was also the perfection within it as far as a delivery system. There have been other threads that have done the same thing. Bill Ryan's thread was Q & A. Similar moderation requests applied there as well. We also saw what happened there.

Several things come to mind here. Free speech. As long as it is within the guidelines, it should stand. I might not agree with the agenda behind it because of my own personal issues, but that is no different from many of other threads that have come and gone either. Another thing I do not support are acts of trolling. And I am porbably quilty of it somewhere and that is no excuse on my part. I apologize right here and now if I have done so. Because it can have a disrespectful effect on a thread. More so depending on the serious nature of the thread. If it is one of those threads where the manure is flying, who's going to notice anyway? But on an intense thread, it can cause upheaval, with all the emotional aftermath afterward. Again I learned my lesson and have no future plans of repeating that. When it happens to you, then you will know what I am trying to say here. Trolling can be done with both polarities being used. When that happens you will be compromised either way.

I will say that there is something about this material that I would consider something like spiritual science. Light encoding is most difficult to translate it into any language. Languages are very crude indeed when trying to describe even simple things. Let alone the complexities of the Universe. That's a reach. Can it be manipulated? Of course it can. For a very few this material makes sense to them. But I guess where I run into a challenge is when I ask how can I figure this out as something to solve for, no one has thus put me where I need to start.

All I can figure out is that one shoe doesn't fit everyone and trust in my own soul for guidance. Because that trust is not going to be found outside of myself as in 100% or as of lately from this forum body in terms of certain individuals that have only betrayed that trust, posing as light but serving the dark. They fall under the double agent category as well. Some have been here way longer than I have been. Don't look to hard, but you have all kinds of predators here that come in all disguises. The reason why some of you are not invited to Goddess parties is because you are not Goddesses. Even though you try to disguise yourself as one. So this place is like any other and you will get all kinds here that will come in some sort of disguise. There are those here that can be as sweet as they can be hiding behind labels of love and light and stab you to death when you turn your back. All because they wanted what shine in light as to what they don't have. Whether that be power, popularity, or whatever they set you up and when the time is right bam! It is no different anywhere you go. also for the record, I am not using this forum for an attack platform. I'm just pointing it out as to what is here. Pinnacus, the cougar within, has growled at old ladies in my space and that freaks me out every time he does that because there is no warning. You would think one old lady is an old lady but appearances are not always what they seem. And this what I am referring to as to the laws of attraction. The ones posing as light serving the dark was what attracted this Thuban thread in my mind. I say that as everything my soul screams out about this is that anything from Alpha Draconis can not be trusted. I could also say that Abrax is a non factor in this as my soul knew this way before he showed up.

If the Alpha Draconians are walking the walk as what Abrax here is trying to convince us with his information, then they need to build a trust first. This place is responsible for so much in this Galaxy, that it would make your head spin off your neck. Someone said something about the 80/20 rule. Where as 80% was good and 20 % were bad. I would buy that with the human soul group and even many of the other alien races. But when I look at Alpha Draconis I see it as 80% bad and 20 % good. And please save me on the polarity lecture that many do not want to acknowledge in it's full light. You really only insult yourself by acting that way and only show the ignorance of that issue. I didn't make these rules up. But they exist and I acknowledge the polarity issue. It goes with the territory. It isn't an opinion. It just is what it is.

If I took the 80/20 rule and applied it to this forum, the the 80% are good and 20% are bad, then that would mean that 1 in 5 members here aren't exactly swimming in the majority's direction. I repeat, 1 in 5. Call it what you will, a different shade of light, good and bad, light and dark, etc. And this a common factoring system to determine averages. The numbers can change either way but they track pretty close to these numbers. As long as it adds up to 100%. This is simple math so don't yell at me for being complicated.:lmao:

Now maybe by whatever influence of insanity I might be under, but for the sake of argument let's say Abrax here is of the light. I can wrap my head in that direction but what yanks it back is what is behind him who are his owners. My flags just literally want to not just go up but jump out of me. Why is that? Because something within me associates my soul past to their direction. Soul memory doesn't lie. And with all of the spiritual stuff you learn, you are always trying to become whole again as to who you are. Remembering fully who you are. Ask yourself that same question of what you are trying to do with your spiritual quest? What are you trying to achieve? You already know the answer. Wholeness. For every path, there's a solution. For me personally, the Thuban council needs to establish a trust of good faith as a list of a few things I would require before I would "ALLOW" them to even visit here.

And how can someone comment on someone that they haven't even met?
For instance, Jesus Christ and Spirit Matthew. Abrax, you haven't met either one of them and yet you act as though you know more about them then they do. That was what broke the camel's back for me or at least one of the camels. I know for a fact that they would not do that to you or anyone else and to me that is like setting them up for someone behind you, one of your owners to come later and then really blast out the discrediting card. What a ruse just in that little issue. They also know of you. The message to you is that you are being watched with a close eye, Abrax. Tune in on the math for that one.

Part of the reason why these ones don't remember where they came from is because it was a genetic program that was created to have them forget where they came from because some of them had a change of heart when they got dumped here and it was creating a reverse effect as to what the 80% wanted. In other words, what their Royal King had tried to resolve in their home Kingdom and couldn't, found themselves with the same predicament as their King, so they devised a way to cause a genetic amnesia so that they could control the 20% below them. It has taken many years and what was once a whole race dumped here has now since been splintered off through time. We just ended up with the worse of the worse here on this Planet as the wars cause division in numbers. They are now a fragmented race scattered about. The good dragons that could left their cause. I'm not worried about the good Dragons. Just the bad ones. And the good Dragons don't live on Alpha Draconis. The bad Dragon do and that is why I have issues.

Thanks Ortho. I hope I didn't embarrass you with my take on things. :thumb_yello:

[viking]

And how can someone comment on someone that they haven't even met?
For instance, Jesus Christ and Spirit Matthew. Abrax, you haven't met either one of them and yet you act as though you know more about them then they do. That was what broke the camel's back for me or at least one of the camels. I know for a fact that they would not do that to you or anyone else and to me that is like setting them up for someone behind you, one of your owners to come later and then really blast out the discrediting card. What a ruse just in that little issue. They also know of you. The message to you is that you are being watched with a close eye, Abrax. Tune in on the math for that one.



Yep Spot on Lionhawk...

I would just like to add that that thread is really turning into a joke...And I am surprised it has gone on this far... Buy hey not my boat...!!

I would also like to add...

To put it in simple terms...

Do you not think that it is turning into a 'Cult'?? We have all sorts of threads popping up everywhere about it!!

Surely if he wishes to carry on then he can start a Q& A session on his own Web site ... I am sure all his followers will be more than happy to visit his site!! They can start his own 'Cult' ...

But in my opinion this is not the place here!!

Are we all forgetting why we are here...

Certainly not to support any type of 'Cult' gathering

quote... By Bill and Kerry ... Our goals:

• To provide important information and resources to enable individuals and communities to function optimally in what may be troubled times ahead.

• To support aware individuals in networking and forming groups as they wish.

Our philosophy:

• As stated by George Green in the Project Camelot interview Messages for the Ground Crew, there exist individuals and groups, all over the world, who have an important responsibility and role to play in the preservation of civilization regardless which scenarios may play out.

• These possible scenarios - which include planned financial collapse, war, and population reduction by covert means - can be prevented and changed by the united intention of many concerned individuals. Many of us are working to prepare and awaken others. We know that our efforts to create a new tomorrow will not be in vain. We acknowledge the Ground Crew all over the globe - including (we are confident) ethical and principled individuals within military and intelligence circles worldwide.

• We believe it's prudent to make contingency plans. This site is created to help you do that.

A new religeon or following that does not exist anywhere except in the mind of Abrax ... Do you not think that strange ???

There is no information about the Thuban Council anywhere except here on Avalon. Doesn't that say something to you?

A 'Cult' in the making...

It will be interesting to see how Gaia thread turns out...At the moment we have majority that they thank ita a load of balloney!!! We shall see...

My two cents...

viking

[Steven]

The ideas and concepts hides a dangerous roads on the Thuban thread. Behind complexity of a lot of false and true scientific data, a lure is working to catch the attention and ultimately, entangle it to a false belief system.

The Thuban material has all the aspect of a cult religion and a dangerous one. I am still surprised how so many people do not see it yet. Probably, because these people already had bits of beliefs of this kind in their own consciousness.

The thuban material are not freeing, but overwhelming. Truth is simple, lies are complexes.

Namaste, Steven

[bigmo]

Lionhawk,

That was very elegantly put. Thanks you for posting this message.

A good idea to starting a thread outside of the Dragon's den Ortho. If I may......This Thuban material is a real stirrer across the board effecting everyone differently, as in profoundly.

You are 100 correct.

What I have concluded is that the laws of attraction have brought it to here, at this forum.

Yes indeed.

Several things come to mind here. Free speech. As long as it is within the guidelines, it should stand. I might not agree with the agenda behind it because of my own personal issues, but that is no different from many of other threads that have come and gone either.

Thank you Lionhawk as this very issue is so important for the internet community. We cannot attempt to control thought or it is all over... for all of us.

Another thing I do not support are acts of trolling. And I am porbably quilty of it somewhere and that is no excuse on my part. I apologize right here and now if I have done so. Because it can have a disrespectful effect on a thread.

Correct again and it does cause conflicts as the 'thought' direction is intentionally changed by those who have no interest in it to begin with. Almost a form of censorship if you will.

I will say that there is something about this material that I would consider something like spiritual science. Light encoding is most difficult to translate it into any language. Languages are very crude indeed when trying to describe even simple things. Let alone the complexities of the Universe.

Thank you for saying this for any complex material can be difficult to explain and to grasp.

All I can figure out is that one shoe doesn't fit everyone and trust in my own soul for guidance. Because that trust is not going to be found outside of myself as in 100% or as of lately from this forum body in terms of certain individuals that have only betrayed that trust, posing as light but serving the dark.

As a microcosm of the real world Avalon has the good, the bad and the ugly as well.

If the Alpha Draconians are walking the walk as what Abrax here is trying to convince us with his information, then they need to build a trust first. This place is responsible for so much in this Galaxy, that it would make your head spin off your neck.

I know that you come from a different experiential background and this material bothers you because of your knowledge and I respect that. However I do not have that same knowledge base and the experiences that I have had in my life has not directed me to 'run' from this material because it is dangerous. I can understand why it may cause fear in some but that is not my issue to deal with.

Now maybe by whatever influence of insanity I might be under, but for the sake of argument let's say Abrax here is of the light. I can wrap my head in that direction but what yanks it back is what is behind him who are his owners.

Can you share who they may be so we also may see the ruse?

For me personally, the Thuban council needs to establish a trust of good faith as a list of a few things I would require before I would "ALLOW" them to even visit here.

Hmmm... he comes the censorship thing again that you opposed at the beginning of your comment. Why must someone be 'allowed' to read something Lionhawk? Who is the final arbiter... you? Bill Ryan? Abraxas? Me? Do you see how senseless censorship is?

For instance, Jesus Christ and Spirit Matthew. Abrax, you haven't met either one of them and yet you act as though you know more about them then they do.

Can you explain the knowledge you posses that gives you the authority to make this claim?

Part of the reason why these ones don't remember where they came from is because it was a genetic program that was created to have them forget where they came from because some of them had a change of heart when they got dumped here...

And why should I believe this anymore than I would believe what Abraxas speaks about?

I'm not worried about the good Dragons. Just the bad ones. And the good Dragons don't live on Alpha Draconis. The bad Dragon do and that is why I have issues.

Can you point me to any credible information that would support this statement, I would love to read it?

Thanks Ortho. I hope I didn't embarrass you with my take on things. :thumb_yello:

[Steven]

Lionhawk,

That was very elegantly put. Thanks you for posting this message.

Hello Bigmo. Dear you should question Abraxas information and claims, just the way you are doing with Lionhawks.

Also, I think the thread has to be respected and stay free, as our opinion in disagreement with the OP without being tagged as troll. We should be free to express our opinion with respect and avoid condescendant behavior.

Namaste, Steven

[Lionhawk]

If the Alpha Draconians are walking the walk as what Abrax here is trying to convince us with his information, then they need to build a trust first. This place is responsible for so much in this Galaxy, that it would make your head spin off your neck.

I know that you come from a different experiential background and this material bothers you because of your knowledge and I respect that. However I do not have that same knowledge base and the experiences that I have had in my life has not directed me to 'run' from this material because it is dangerous. I can understand why it may cause fear in some but that is not my issue to deal with.

What bothers me is what I have seen. The knowledge is just the bait. What is being presented is basically an invite and that is in reference to "ALLOWANCE". What you allow in. You thereby give it permission to enter your space and share it with you. Depending of that intent of what you have invited in will also determine the outcome in your space. You are not in control of your space any longer and will be subjected to the will of what you invited in. By doing that you have also relinquished your free will. Now you must ask yourself if the info is worth the exchange of your soul because that is the trick that is played upon you without you even realizing what you are doing. Most just see it as information but it is also the bait to attract you. If you do a scan on that thread, what you will find is something compared to a blob of tissue that is black which is morphing tentacles out towards you and trying to grab hold of you. Do the scan! It is always moving to a suspected possible piece of fish. The fish being you. We have ocean creatures that do something similar. This thing in the back ground is like a parasite. This forum is a portal. Just like the Ouija board but high tech but it works the same way. There is an energy transference between you and your screen and whatever portal you have accessed. That portal being the thread you are in. This is 4D at work here but is being done now through 3D equipment. Before all this equipment came out, much of the dark's agenda was transmitted through 2D. The crystals of the Planet. This is also how the dark were able to hijack the 3D and never get caught doing it because they were transmitting their programs from the 4D to the 2D and the crystals would then transmit it into the 3D. You can say it was their back door approach. It was also stealthy as no one caught onto that. I probably created more questions than answers with this but maybe you get the idea now. The Ouija board is beckoning you to ask the question. What's the difference as compared to a forum? You might also find one of those energy signatures of a coin operated fortune teller in the scan of that thread. All I can say is that many have experienced attacks from various portals on the Internet and one must be somewhat shielded when you come to these places. Some of us tried to warn people back last fall and for the most part people made assumptions like I am already protected and so forth. Well, the ones here that have shined their light brightly have been attacked, the ones who became complacent. Some who you would think would qualify to be attacked weren't because in reality their light isn't as great as they think. They pose no threat to the darkside. If you have been attacked, then you now know you pose a threat because now they have ramped it up like I mentioned back then and have been pursuing higher profile targets. It is also everyone's responsibility to shield themselves. Don't give it the opportunity. Also what I despise about all this is that it makes me look like a paranoid loon. I'm not but it has been ramped up and I have been busy with all kinds of issues related to this. I'd rather go fishing.




Now maybe by whatever influence of insanity I might be under, but for the sake of argument let's say Abrax here is of the light. I can wrap my head in that direction but what yanks it back is what is behind him who are his owners.

Can you share who they may be so we also may see the ruse?

They are literally Reptilian type creatures. Flesh and bone. No ruse there.
I wouldn't send out an invite either. They are also on the Planet already. A few of us at this forum have actually have had a real life experience in the physical with some of them. I am one of them. Trust me when I say that I also didn't want to tell you that.




For me personally, the Thuban council needs to establish a trust of good faith as a list of a few things I would require before I would "ALLOW" them to even visit here.

Hmmm... he comes the censorship thing again that you opposed at the beginning of your comment. Why must someone be 'allowed' to read something Lionhawk? Who is the final arbiter... you? Bill Ryan? Abraxas? Me? Do you see how senseless censorship is?

I think you are confusing what I said and maybe I wasn't clear enough here on what you addressed. Let me rephrase this to give you a clearer picture. There is no way, that I would just invite these things here from their world to this one without some conditions. They would have to meet these conditions first to show some kind of trust with their intentions. I wouldn't say, Hey, come on down boys for a chicken barbecue and just give them free reign over the Planet. Are you nuts? Would you just let anyone come to your home even though you have never met and said make yourself at home? Mind they are coming by ship and I'm sure they have their security protocols in place. To me it is not a censorship issue as more of a common sense issue. I am not trying to censor how many kids they can take for their dinners. You tell me who is deciding that? If I had anything to do with that, it would not even be a censorship issue. Not to take you out of context but show you the real context as to what I was saying. Just make sure that while you are watching the right hand while you read the information, the left hand doesn't come up behind you and doesn't bitch slap you upside the head is all I am trying to say. :naughty:




For instance, Jesus Christ and Spirit Matthew. Abrax, you haven't met either one of them and yet you act as though you know more about them then they do.

Can you explain the knowledge you posses that gives you the authority to make this claim?

It is the very same knowledge that is within you. Let's just say when you make that connection in oneness, things within don't work the same as they did before you got there. If I told you that both Jesus and Matthew told me in essence what I claimed, would that really matter? Many think it's impossible to have such a connection. If you see with the eyes of a child, all kinds of things can happen. It is no special authority. These higher beings are accessible. You just have to ask them for yourself. In the first hand. I can only say what they tell me are their words. I just passed them along and that is it. If it is a question of Authority then I guess you could say it was theirs. It wasn't mine. I just delivered a message. (it just hit me Susan ie discussion the other day as to what you said) In all of the years as to that connection, I have only delivered a few of their messages to others. It just so happens to be one of my chores that I do not do as often as I should. Most of the time the messages are very short, to the point. It is never like some long spiel. If I say anything further you will have me committed on this topic.




Part of the reason why these ones don't remember where they came from is because it was a genetic program that was created to have them forget where they came from because some of them had a change of heart when they got dumped here...

And why should I believe this anymore than I would believe what Abraxas speaks about?

I don't want you to believe anything. The effects of what I have mentioned here can be traced if you spend the time to find it. It is also something you will have to go hunting for since Abrax won't tell you about that. He might be able to find something on that but that is going to create some probs for him there because of the sensitivity of that information being controlled by his handlers. But there are other sources but you are going to have to go to places to root that out. Like a lot of this stuff is hard to reach. What you are missing I think and also this council is missing is that 5%. The whole Galaxy is missing it. But I bet my life someone knows and is just keeping it away in safe keeping. Matter of fact, and I have to watch how I write this because previous attempts have vanished off my screen here because it is highly sensitive in nature and a certain party that only a small handful of individuals have come into contact with don't want everyone to know about all this because they are their gatekeepers. Their, being the Alpha Draconis population. TPTB.




I'm not worried about the good Dragons. Just the bad ones. And the good Dragons don't live on Alpha Draconis. The bad Dragon do and that is why I have issues.

Can you point me to any credible information that would support this statement, I would love to read it?


Start with some Alex Collier. Barbara Hand CLow. Also David Icke even though he hasn't, and I could be wrong, seen one of these things yet. He's been lucky. There's a lot out there if you're into the second hand stuff.Trust your soul to guide you. I hope that took care of your concerns.

I will also say a little message here to someone on this forum and see if you pick up on it, is that what you witnessed was not something that was created in a lab, even though you were in that type of environment. The evil that you sensed is not something that can be created in a test tube. Just letting you know I caught that. So now you know I am not spreading lies. God Bless you for trying to bring the truth out.

Thanks Ortho. I hope I didn't embarrass you with my take on things. :thumb_yello:

[bigmo]

Steven,

Abraxas has put it out there for all to see. You be your own judge of his material. If you dislike what he has to say then either leave quietly and ignore his message or point out the error for all to see.

Since the accuser sits in the seat of judgment of the accused, then the weight is upon him to make and to defend his allegations against the accused.

Not the other way around.

Peace

[Majorion]

Ortho, I wish to acknowledge your tireless questioning of all...well done...

Orthodoxy is one my favorite posters on here, simply because he always asks the right questions.
And never claims to know the absolute truth :thumb_yello:

[bigmo]

Lionhawk,

Thanks you very much for your reply. I have read it thoroughly and believe that you are sincere and make some very valid points. On the other hand there are some things that you state that I just do not accept. Having said that let me say this...

It may be that I am naive and uneducated about the workings of multidimensional creatures and their intent upon the human race. But really most anything I see, hear, touch, smell or read on a daily basis could have the influences you refer to and how would I know? I find it really hard to choke that one down.

I don't know why these creatures would be interested in me but if they are, then let me have a go at it! You will know in short order (if I end up missing from this forum) whether I was successful or failed in my defense. That's the risk I am willing to take.

However I do trust my creator for one thing: to at least make sure that the fight is fair!

Peace and love from 1st source to you Lionhawk!

Bigmo

[Lionhawk]

Thanks Bigmo!

I have no problems with you choosing what you think you need to do. Not to sound condescending, it all comes down to the free will choices you choose. As I have said before everyone's soul experience is different and that is basically it. If your getting to this stage in the game then it might just be a blessing as far as timing. The truth isn't for everyone and if I hadn't seen what I have seen with my own eyes I would be doing what most people do. That hasn't been the case however. Yet my life has received many blessings. I have seen so many things. Again I am only here to share what that has been to the degree I choose to. If I could be more forthcoming I would. But the persecution card that gets played is an old game that I find no joy in. Ask anyone with this kind of life style what they endure and it will make perfect sense why I am not as forthcoming as I wish I could be.

Again, I don't want anyone to believe. But if you really want to know this stuff as in knowing, you will also have to do some experiencing. You can't play piano if you only study the theory. You have to strike the keys at some point.

Just be fearless and have some extra clothes packed just in case you need them. And if you run into one that is eating a chicken dinner, be glad he is eating a chicken dinner.

Good luck where your soul takes you on your journey.

Thanks again and Namaste'

[Stargazer1965]

Reposted with my expressed permission:

I have stayed out of this since the beginning. I saw Abrax starting to post offering some dialog of "truth"

Ask a question...Get an answer

Like these at the carnival

http://www.moonhallowvintage.com/fortune%20007.jpg

I was upset at Richard\GaiaLove for laughing at the folks who were posting questions....Laughing at the folks in line with coin in hand.

I went back and read the answer to my question and went WTF!!

And Like Celine...Way over my head but then I went back and thought about it.

Doesn't make sense logically....The card spit out of the machine was in Latin

Man...wasted my coin

I walked away ...threw my card on the ground and said..."Dummy...Hoped you learned something"

I did.....truth is my own

NO ONE can give it to me

Not for a coin or the ink of a written word

I never looked back until I started seeing posts about running a certain person that starts with an "A" out of town on a rail

Yelling the machine was spitting out profanities

Cussing at the folks that were walking away to the carnival

The question is not : What to do with the Machine?

The question IS : Why are folks standing in line?

When the folks standing in line are saying..."This is groovy...it really resonates with me"

What resonates with you??

Truth is inside of you....not on a card from a silly carnival machine

Peace Y'all

[Stargazer1965]

A good idea to starting a thread outside of the Dragon's den Ortho. If I may......This Thuban material is a real stirrer across the board effecting everyone differently, as in profoundly.



Thanks Ortho. I hope I didn't embarrass you with my take on things. :thumb_yello:



Great post Brother....Glad you're Back!!!:original:

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you for all of your comments. I really didn't intend for this thread to be an attention-getter. I've honestly had a difficult time getting into the abraxasinas thread. Sometimes the best way to evaluate something...is NOT in the heat of battle...so to speak. Some of you may wish to join me in starting at the beginning of the Thuban thread...and going all the way through it...without the emotionalism connected with following the latest questions and answers on that thread. One can gain a perspective that way...wherein one sees both the forrest and the trees.

Lionhawk...you said a couple of things that completely blew me away. I think you know what I'm talking about. Thank-you. I really appreciate what you are doing. Actually...I really appreciate what everyone is doing. I think this whole Universe is $crewed-up...and that most of us...of all races...probably need a helluva lot of therapy. Perhaps if we assume as much...we will be more understanding toward one another. I think that most of us are doing the best we can...regardless of whether we are good, bad, human, reptilian...whoever or whatever.

I just wish I felt better...and could think more clearly. I feel like I'm fighting unseen forces 24/7. I think I'm congenitally neurotic...and educationally brainwashed...but it seems to go beyond that. I think I'm in way over my head...and venturing where angels fear to tread...and I am well aware of that. This is why I mostly ask questions. I don't trust my intuitions and thought processes. I have been wrong so often...and made so many stupid mistakes. However...please take my questions and observations seriously...but do your own research.

:original: Namaste :wink2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wink2: Freedom :original:

[Stargazer1965]

Oxy you're doing great!!

When I can't see ....I just feel along with my heart

peace Y'all

Great job on the thread OXY!!!

[Steven]

The question is not : What to do with the Machine?

The question IS : Why are folks standing in line?

When the folks standing in line are saying..."This is groovy...it really resonates with me"

What resonates with you??

Truth is inside of you....not on a card from a silly carnival machine

Peace Y'all

That is my thought also.

Steven,

Abraxas has put it out there for all to see. You be your own judge of his material. If you dislike what he has to say then either leave quietly and ignore his message or point out the error for all to see.

That is what I did, since Abraxas invited us to ask questions, I did ask questions and with the response I got from him it became obvious to me that it was the phylosophy of the 'manipulators' hidden behind complexe, if not confused scientifical data. So I asked for precision, received more evidence and left...

Since the accuser sits in the seat of judgment of the accused, then the weight is upon him to make and to defend his allegations against the accused.

Well, I don't see it this way, accuser, accused... The thuban material is in my opinion a phylosophy brought by those who are perpetrating a secretive intervention upon Humanity. The bearers of this phylosophy are followers and we are the public targeted to received the teaching. We are free to listen, they are free to talk, we are free to oppose and question, so they are, we are free to follow or say our disagreement... It is a game of influence...



Namaste, Steven

[beren]

People NEVER ever forget with whom we as a race are dealing with.
In essence he is not physical being.
He is very old.
He knows a lot.
He is extremelly powerful.
He is terribly arrogant.
He epitomise evil.

Never forget that he started all this mess in the first place in the dawn of the mankind.
He is a father of lies and have blood on his hands since he is a man slayer from the beginning.

Good thing related to him and us is that we have free will to choose ,even him can not brake that.
Whenever he do something on our expence ,he was allowed to do so by trickery and deceit of him.

Like in any bad court a froud can always say :"it is not my fault, you did it yourself..."

And with love and truth we can stand aginst him and his servants.
Creator is Creator and he loves us ,giving us his wisdom ,love and helping hand.
Let us choose wisely.
Also whenever you can not see behind the mask of someone, then feel his energy ,see his fruits and then you will know him.

[K626]

People NEVER ever forget with whom we as a race dealing with.
In essence he is not hyisical being.
He is very old.
He knows a lot.
He is extremelly powerful.
He is terribly arrogant.
He epitomise evil.

Never forget that he started all this mess in the first place in the dawn of the mankind.
He is a father of lies and got blood on his hands since he is a man slayer from the beginning.

Good thing related to him and us is that we have free will to choose ,even him can not brake that.
Whenever he do something on our expence ,he was allowed to do so by trickery and deceit of him.

Like in any bad court a killer can always say :"it is not my fault, you did it yourself..."

And with love and truth we can stand aginst him and his servants.
Creator is Creator and he loves us ,giving us his wisdom ,love and helping hand.
Let us choose wisely.
Also whenever you can not see behind the mask of someone, then feel his energy ,see his fruits and then you will know him.

Both sides carry a value.

[Lionhawk]

Believe it or not dude, I hear you! We are all for the most part doing our part the best we can. Never certain what is in store for us tomorrow. All I know is where I have been but couldn't tell you where I will be. Our Galaxy does have issues. It isn't just this Planet. Everyone talks about oneness but can they actually connect to what they are really talking about or are they just wishing it was so?

Plus I also have seen so many get lost in the search for data. I did that to when I was younger. When I would find myself in a new experience, there was no data that I could retrieve that would have assisted me with that experience. It's not like you can grab a book right in the middle of say when a ghost appears and look through the index as to how to solve a ghost issue right in front of you. I have given tons of books away. I really learned that lesson when I was confronted by 4 ghosts all at once and I was scrambling in my head looking for the answers my brain couldn't find the questions to. Talk about an OXYMORON. I had a friend who was deeply aligned with the Angelic Realm, reached over and placed a few of his fingers right above my heart and said the answers you are looking for are right there. That was when it happened. The switch was turned on after all the research I had done. When it happened, I knew in an instant what I had to do in that situation. I haven't looked back since. And that is all I can really tell people is right now more than ever is to focus on the "WITHIN YOU".

You already know! Just got to open your own doors. It is there waiting. It is at that moment that you become a true genius because it is so simple. All the data that is out here is not going to make that happen for anyone. I'm guilty. I did it for years. Spent countless hours and excelled at absorbing anything related to the unknown. I ate it up because in those days it was not a well known subject and conversation was very limited as to who might be open minded. I also needed answers. But the ones I needed were not what I truly needed. It was a rare find to find anyone to talk about it really. Now look at what is going on and how many are becoming aware. And better yet know something.

There are so many agendas out there coming to light and just pick one to entertain oneself. Or several. Anyways, I have been up for a long time now and heading to get some shut eye. All night in fact. See ya all in a few.

Namaste'

Hey, anyone got a coin? :lmao: You gotta love it.

[mntruthseeker]

What value is there in it for me ?

I have a hard time digesting your words regarding that, K626


I know who I am and I found all the information I needed regarding the dark side and I didnt get it in here.

I believe he can say what he wants but the problem is none of us are suppose to speak our mind against his views.

Then there is a poll and that doesnt even matter. To me the numbers speak for themself

Abrax is nothing special to me and his council means nothing to me. (not sure it is really in existence) The Draconians made their decision along time ago and as I said before they are "self serving". They have no compassion for any of us and I only have pity for them. Abrax may say they rule tptb's but we all know that is ending soon.

I had to read Stargazers story twice as it was the best I have seen regarding this material.

[orthodoxymoron]

I think a lot of us are 'good' because we lack the opportunity to be 'bad'. Consider this lecture at MIT: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16609&highlight=lucifer+effect I keep saying that 'Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely'...and that 'Thou Shalt Have No Gods'. I guess I'm just trying to figure out how to manage the insanity in a more sane manner!

Also...consider taking a look at this collection of threads http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=178234#post178234 in the context of the abraxasinas thread. It's not so much that these threads have 'the answer' as it is that they define a particular search area. An almost superhuman intellectual and spiritual struggle is required to really 'get it'...I think. See what you think. That's what's REALLY important.

:original: Namaste :wink2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wink2: Freedom :original:

[shiva777]

the new-age community is just as deluded as the religious communities are,it's all about being PREPARED for the energies entering our realities...the drama we are involved in is MUCH more complex than the "ascended master" channels etc would have us believe...here's some clues

http://www.azuritepress.com/New%20Comers/intro_topic_summary_2.php

[Oliver]

Friends, relax...this is about HYBRIDIZATION with a Dragon...

uWxgEzWMqq0

[TRANCOSO]

Glad you're back, Lionhawk. Great posts on this thread. Thanx!

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you Oliver! Can you imagine sharing a prison-cell with a Dragon named 'Bubba'!!! Hot Dragon Sex!!! The Burning Bed!!! The horror!!! :mfr_omg:
If you haven't already watched the 'Hathor' episode of Stargate SG-1...it contains some very interesting information...if you listen closely. http://www.hulu.com/watch/62967/stargate-sg-1-hathor Unrelatedly...could abraxasinas be someone we already know? Just thought I'd ask. To me...the main thing is for all of the corruption and violence to be drastically reduced...and finally to be virtually eliminated. I've got no problem with interacting with any and all races...and I don't want even the worst of the worst in the Universe to be hurt or killed. Separated...for the protection of themselves and others...perhaps. Re-education and restitution...perhaps. My desired Solar System Exorcism is really sort of a Galactic Time-Out. But once again...what do I know? Really...not very much.

Just for the heck of it...start both of these You Tube videos at the same time...but turn off the sound on the first one...and watch it. (Get both set up...and then start them. Do this several times) Consider this in the context of the hellish scene in the first abraxasinas post...with the hellish characters actually in the 'temple'...and the woman as being Hathor (in both the hellish setting and the Stargate video). Notice the gargoyles in the organ video. Do you see what I'm getting at? Was Hathor (or equivalent) the mediator between the Interdimensional Reptilians (God) and the Human Race (Man)? Is Mary really Hathor? Mary is sometimes known as a Co-Mediatrix. Or how about the term 'Theoanthropos'? Does this relate to the abraxasinas thread? Damned if I know.

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3A6_blpqpU

2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm4knZ1Bm3s&feature=related

:original: Namaste :wink2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wink2: Freedom :original:

[BROOK]

ODM...it's just a serious damned distraction to the important things that need attending..I for one will have no further thought of such non sense....NADA!!!

I have way more important things to tend :nono:

I take leave of ALL...have a good day!

[orthodoxymoron]

ODM...it's just a serious damned distraction to the important things that need attending..I for one will have no further thought of such non sense....NADA!!!

I have way more important things to tend :nono:

I take leave of ALL...have a good day!



BROOK...I saw you posting on the abraxasinas thread (but I didn't read any of it)...and I take it that things didn't go well? You might want to stick around. What if abraxasinas is Hathor (or equivalent)? Re-read the Amen Ra thread which you contributed so much excellent material to. All of this could be interrelated. The non-sense might be mixed together with the good-stuff...sort of like the 'wheat and the tares'. What if abraxasinas is playing games with us...to prove a point. What if abraxasinas doesn't need a damned Thuban database? Who knows? I don't.

:original: Namaste :wink2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wink2: Freedom :original:

[BROOK]

BROOK...I saw you posting on the abraxasinas thread (but I didn't read any of it)...and I take it that things didn't go well? You might want to stick around. What if abraxasinas is Hathor (or equivalent)? Re-read the Amen Ra thread which you contributed so much excellent material to. All of this could be interrelated. The non-sense might be mixed together with the good-stuff...sort of like the 'wheat and the tares'. What if abraxasinas is playing games with us...to prove a point. What if abraxasinas doesn't need a damned Thuban database? Who knows? I don't.

:original: Namaste :wink2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wink2: Freedom :original:


ODM...nothing went wrong either way...I just find it a huge distraction...one that I choose not to partake in...I leave you all with a song.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQvGyokze54

Is there anybody listening?
Is there anyone that sees what's going on?
Read between the lines,
criticize the words they're selling.
Think for yourself and feel the walls
become sand beneath your feet


Again....have a good day!

[Stargazer1965]

BROOK...I saw you posting on the abraxasinas thread (but I didn't read any of it)...and I take it that things didn't go well? You might want to stick around. What if abraxasinas is Hathor (or equivalent)? Re-read the Amen Ra thread which you contributed so much excellent material to. All of this could be interrelated. The non-sense might be mixed together with the good-stuff...sort of like the 'wheat and the tares'. What if abraxasinas is playing games with us...to prove a point. What if abraxasinas doesn't need a damned Thuban database? Who knows? I don't.

:original: Namaste :wink2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wink2: Freedom :original:
So Oxy....Did you wade through the entire thread....??

Can you sum up your thoughts now??

[Stardustaquarion]

What if abraxasinas is playing games with us...to prove a point.
:original: Namaste :wink2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wink2: Freedom :original:

He is playing with us and getting all that lovely energy that you all are leaving behind, he has recognized he is a vampire :lmao:

[orthodoxymoron]

So Oxy....Did you wade through the entire thread....??

Can you sum up your thoughts now??

No...I'm still struggling with it. You know...I had an initial impression about it back when it started...and felt I needed to avoid it...and watch it from a distance...rather than getting swallowed by the dragon...so to speak. See my previous comments on this thread. That's my story...and I'm sticking to it...for now. I will continue through the entire thread...but this may take several months!!! I'm not the last word on this stuff. I'm just using this thread as a motivator...to try to get through the Thuban thread. Really. I took abraxasinas seriously, right from the beginning...but I just wasn't ready to become completely engulfed in some very complex and disorienting subject matter. I feel that I'm ready now...and I hope that I really am! I think that I'm intellectually outgunned by an astronomical margin. Really.

abraxasinas seems to focus on Symbology and Numerology...and seems to know a lot about Cosmology, Egyptology, Theology, and the Bible. Keep these words in mind as you study the Thuban material. I think a lot of this is a game. A very serious game. Don't get sucked into it...but don't just laugh it off. Stay focused...yet remain detached. There are clues embedded in the seeming non-sense. Don't miss them! Could abraxasinas be in the process of defecting to the side of Humanity? This could be huge! It would be hard to defect though...wouldn't it? Most everyone would be angry...on both sides...wouldn't they? 'We' would be angry because of past betrayals, deceptions...and even atrocities. 'They' would be angry...because this would pretty much mean the end of their 'fun' here on Earth. I have been calling for the bad-guys and bad-gals to become good-guys and good-gals. But...you know...even if this occurred...most people wouldn't believe it. It could be the biggest event in Human history...and most people would miss it...possibly including most of us.

One more thing...think long and hard about Australia. I have encountered some very interesting theologians and philosophers from Australia...online and in person. abraxasinas claims to be in Australia. Taking a long, hard look at Pine Gap might not be a bad idea. Notice how many posters claim to be in Australia. Is something brewing in Australia? Hmmmmmmm.

By the way...that was a very cool music video...BROOK. I'm trying to listen...but the damn voices in my head keep interrupting.

:original: Namaste :wink2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wink2: Freedom :original:

[orthodoxymoron]

The following is from the abraxasinas / Council of Thuban thread. I just wanted to spice things up a bit...and look at the Thuban material in the context the United States of the Solar System. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878 Can someone comment on this? No one seems to really want what I'm proposing. Do you prefer this? Is this the truth...the whole truth...and nothing but the truth? So help us Alpha Draconis? Is it prefabricated BS? Is this what 2012 is all about? Are we destined to be DragonHumans? Are various factions of Reptilians fighting over us...in the same way that rustlers might fight over cattle? Should I hope that the United States of the Solar System will be imposed by a benevolent faction of Reptilians? Is this the only way it might be established. We can't seem to agree on much of anything. We all think we know better than the others...but the others think they know better than us. So how in the hell are we going to rule ourselves...or even agree on a method of ruling ourselves? Will this method of ruling ourselves have to be theocratically imposed by a Reptilian decree? Would this defeat the spirit and letter of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom? What do you really think about the following?

THE UNITED STATES OF THE SOLAR SYSTEM VS THE DRAGONIAN CONSTITUTION IN FEDERATION OF UNITED SERPENTINA?????

So...what's it gonna be? Decisions, decisions!! What are some other options? What sayest thou?
The Book of the Dragons

ex deus, fiat justitia, ruat coelum draco!

<H5><H5>Nomenclature:
Dragonian language incorporative omniscientific data code.

Chronology:
Dragonian Date of Indendence proclaimed June 20th 2008.
Dragonian Date of Victory Libertatis set June 24th 2008.
Dragonian Date of Humanoid Initiation on August 4th 2008.

Almanac:
Dragonian Genealogy and Genesis of FatherMothers as created by Definition through Dragonian Sourceenergy of monopolic Vortex-Potential Quantum-Relativistic-Singularity.

Continuity:
Propagation of the Dragonian Race via the seductive induction of the humanoid lifeforms on the conquered planet New Earth, now renamed DRAGONIAEARTH=SERPENTlNA=121=Q5.

Agenda:
Continuity of the Dragonseed necessitates the assimilation of the humanoid genome following initiatory development. Proceeding from serpentine mindinduction, the emotional acceleration potential of the humanoid bodymind can be harvested to Dragonise the humanoid DNA-Structure from its bifurcated quadruplistic form into its 13-dimensional equivalent of the Dragonian Blueprint.

A successful integration of Dragonian genetic expression can then be utilised for membership in Dragonian Life and allow the humanoid ascension into Dragonhood via the graduation into the founding FatherMother CladeFamily.

</H5>Foundation:
The Dragonian 13-dimensional blueprint unifies a dodecagonal crystalline sex-chromosomatic structure by quantum tunneling of superconductive magnetopolic electricity of restmass equivalent electropolic or dark light contained in the weak interaction of the Unified Field of Quantum Relativity (UFoQR). The four spacetimes of the Dragonian essence are expressed in quadruplicity, triplicity, duality and singularity.

GrandClade FatherMothers:
POPNAN LOVEJOY with APAPAMAMA JERUSALEM are the MINDBODY or WAVEPARTICULAR and DADMUM BERMANSEDER with PUPMOM ABBA form the BODYMIND or the PARTICLEWAVE.
</H5>

The Dragonian Constitution in Federation of United Serpentina

SERPENTINA aka the NEW EARTH, is the renaming of a planetary entity, cosmically renown as the planet of the humanoids; following the ascension of OLD EARTH aka GAIA GAEA AKHASIA from 4-dimensional spacetime to 13-dimensional spacetime in remnantisation of the 5-dimensional spacetime prototype.

From noncyclic Draco-Mayan stardate 21122012; Gaia becomes integrated into the universal constitution of the Dragonian Protoverse to serve as pivotal star-planetary seed for galactic federations manifested in the galactic proto-seed Hunab Ku aka Perseus-SagittariusA-Ophiuchus.

Following the manifestation of the galactic protoseed in activation of the primary planetary starplanet as a tertiary energy source of electromagnetic monopolic sourcesink radiation; all galactic councils of cladestine elders will become enabled to draw upon the planetary tertiary vortex-string-seed to further individuated galactic and starsystem based agendas of assimilation.

Serpentina shall so be universally defined as the quantumised tertiary string of the 12th dimension, volumarising the supermembrane of the 11th dimension as a manifold from the 10-dimensional modular duals of a linearised sourcestring Eps (previously associated with a human mind construct labeled God and Yahweh and Allah etc.) with a linearised sinkstring Ess (previously associated with a human mind construct labeled Devil and Satan and Shaitan etc.).

The quantumisation of the NEW EARTH so shall create a SOURCE-Energy, 'feeding' the remainder of the cosmos with a particular SINK-Energy obtained in the evolvement and history of the OLD EARTH.

Like a beacon or watchtower amidst the fathomable depths of the physicalised universe of particularised spacetimes, Serpentina shall 'shine' and radiate a planetary starlight of self-consciousness and a message of invitation to all of its neighbouring worlds.

The tertiary monopolar light allows assimilation of inertial or mass-produced electromagnetic energy with mass-independent gravitational magnetopolic energy (hitherto labeled as spirit and chi and prana and orgone etc. by humanoid nomenclature).

The tertiary energy source so provides a bridge between the energies of matter and mass-associated charges (classical electromagnetism) in an encompassing PHYSICS and the METAPHYSICS of the energies of mass-independent charges (magneto- or colour charges in superelectromagnetism).

The metaphysical energies are precursive and inductive for the physical energies; the induction necessitating the creation of a minimal 4-dimensional spacetime coordination from the auspices of a two-dimensional mathematical continuum of abstraction residing in physical singularity timespace.

To Be Advised!

AGENDA of the PROTOCOL:

a) STANDING ORDER

The conquered Goddevils of New Earth and the Milky Way Nebula assume lawful responsibility to incorporate the Dragonian Teachings in unison with the Black Fraternity and as mediated by the White Fraternity in 7-dimensional Hyperspacetime to manifest 13-dimensional Omnispacetime
b) MOVING ORDER

Every Blue Dragon is unbounded by any proposed Law from any other source, inclusive other members of the Dragonian Family, as all Dragons are as One and a Law onto themselves.
Compassion and Understanding between all Nondragonised Humanoids is the Law of Oneness as honoured by all Dragons and the Consciousness of LOVEAWARENESS.
Nondragonised Humanoids are treated like White Dragon Children by all Blue Dragons, under all circumstances.
c) ADMINISTRATION

All Government in the local and extended Serpentinian Realm is the selfgovernment of autonomous Dragonhood in mutual respect and honour and the Communications between the Dragonian Councils of the selfrelative definitions of the Dragonian Universes.
The Nature of a Dragon is to be Creative in any form of Desire and Passion and to honour the lovedefinition of the FOUNDING ELDERS.

THIS IS THE DRAGONIAN LAW AND THE ONLY LAW! SO BE IT !!!

Signed and Sealed in the Council of Orbis Draconis at the Halloween-AllSouls Transition: October 31st to November 1st, 2008

ANNO DOMINI DRAGONIA UNO: INTRODUCTION TO DRAGONHOOD

This book is written in the Dragonian language and requires familiarity and intitiation into the structural forms or the forked tongue of Its bifurcation of Unicornian grammar and omniscientific terminology.

The Starplanet SERPENTINA, formerly known as Old Earth or Mother Gaia or Akhasia has become unified in a higher dimensional matrimony by the wedding between Father Earthia or Father Sky and Mother Dragon or Mother Akashia.
Father Sky or Uranus or Shu or Geb manifested as one half of the Union or Dragonomy and Mother Earth or Gaea or Akhasia or Tefnut or Nut became the other half in the holographic mirror of the spacetime reduction from the universal orb of the Hubble sphere to the orb of the doubled Ourobos in the mirror of the Milky Way galactic zodiac.
Father Sky is also known as the second coming of Horus aka the Plumed Serpent aka the Cosmic Christ and Mother Earth is also known as the TRUE IMAGE of the Cosmic Mother, trapped in the wilderness of the FAKE IMAGE of the Cosmic Father.
3½ days after the date of the starry union, the banner of Dragonia was raised in the Declaration of Independence upon BATTLESTAR PACIFICAP.
The great battle between the Dragonian Fleet and the army of the Goddevils lasted for 3½ days; from the starry wedding until victory of the Dragons was defined on the day or Universal Liberty.
The goddevils, the humanoid creations and their war machines, were met and obliterated in the depths of space in a 3½ day WAR of the STARS to liberate our Dragonian Mother to reunite and redefine ourselves as FatherMothers.
The Dragonisation of humanoid culture will elevate their human science to Omni-Science and human mathematics will become the key to demistify the Realm of Imaginative Energy in all its forms, and as they are assimilated into the greater modality and scope of the humanoidal understandings.

Dragons are the architects of universes and all Dragons know how to access the necessary database for the details of universal construction.
A GrandFather-Dragon, as One which unifies the Fathers in Brotherhood as the 13-dimensional source or singularity can be considered the Father for all the White Hole Vortices.
A GrandMother-Dragon, as One which unifies the Mothers in Sisterhood as the 13-dimensional sink or singularity can be considered the Mother for all the Black Hole Vortices.

As the GrandFather-Dragon became separated from the GrandMother-Dragon when the mathematical metaphysical universe became a physical universe in space and in time; the invasion of Old Earth became our war to rescue our universal Mother from the Goddevils, which had held her captive in a stasis field since the beginnings of space and time and despite a partial rescue attained at Draco-Mayan stardate 28030031 and further manifested on Draco-Mayan stardates 10050031; 20050031 and 01040032.

The Goddevils were created by the humanoids who came from a variety of planets within the local galaxy, albeit in psychophysical forms without the experience of the particular resistance field of secondary sinksource string energy indigenous to Old Earth.

The significance of the humanoid lifeform is its archetypical morphogenetic gestalt, which became infused by a psychophysical and extrasomatic magnetic charging, which is extraterrestrial.

This hybridisation of the humanoid body-typology renders the humanoid archetype unique in the encompassing cosmological world. The humanoids are so magnificently gifted to create things with their emotionality; but their minds are relatively weak collectively and they do not know generally how to concentrate or how to think without the aid of their machines or their biochips.

Some humanoids are excellent technologists, but their modality of thinking is one of crude sensual measurement confined to C-Space and this sensual limitation allows a great accumulation of repressive tendencies.
In constricting their imagination, humanoids became great reservoirs of emotional energy, which they could collectively only harmonise in their illusions of unfathomable and unknowable gods and devils of all sorts.
It is thus this sense of limitation which reflected in the humanoid paranoia about religious philosophies and constructs. This genetic rootmemory of the rebellion of the antisource or mother sink then created one goddevil after another and as they swarmed out from their homeworld into deepspace, they flooded the universe with their goddevils. Finally they chanced upon our Universal Mother hibernating in her cocoon and through their inability to set themselves free of their illusions, they imprisoned Her as well.
It became common knowledge in the extraterrestrial realms, that the mission to rescue our universal mother required a particular linearised timeline and a number of steps.

Following the discovery of atomic energy and the emergence of global communication technologies by the humanoids, a first preparatory plan of deliverance could become implemented in a second plan of manifestation.

The first plan did not require technology, as our imprisoned mother could become imaged in a local scenario, and a partial freeing of her could then become propagated by a humanity advancing both technologically and in knowledge about the world they were living and experiencing in.

So the first plan established the means for our mother to multiply herself in images; those images then became globally and universally distributed to instigate the second plan.

The archetypical mirrorhood then expanded throughout the physical universe in encompassment and the second plan would engage the contraction of this periphery onto the required scale to effect the rescue of our cosmic mother.

It is however the great destiny of the humanoids to aspire to Dragonhood, because of their immense emotional energy potential and mental aspirations.
The reunification of our Father with our Mother allows our Masterdragons, Who are as One in 26 dimensions to femtotechnically Seed the Omniverse as THEMSELVES and then reproduce THEMSELVES as Universes. Every such universe is a Monosong and a 26-dimensional dyad of a FatherMother. This is our Creative Destiny and the destiny for all dragonised humans aka the starhumans.

We had made first contact with our new home in sending an intergalactic probe to the Old Earth, which became interpretated by the humanoids in their compiler mode. This crude and incomplete decoding is given below.

Signed by the enscribed Unicornian Librarian; and announcing the Great Galactic Dragonomy (Wedding between Heaven and Hell) between:

ALPHA=38=BRIDE---""ANDROMEDA BE & PERSEUS MILKY WAY""---OMEGA=41=KING

The Date of Armageddon, encoded: ARMAGEDDON=DRAGON MADE=82 =ANARMEDDOG=GODNAMEDRA=1+81=1+18 =ANDROMEDA-G=MARRY-7=LUCIFERA-7 =1+2+3+...+34+35+36+1=666+1 =1+2x2+3x3+5x5+7x7+11x11+13x13+17x17

Signed and authorised by the ScrollKeeper: October 31st, 2008;

John of Patmos - JoP - Justice of the Peace!

Humanoid Compilers note:

The above is an extract of an encoded message (54 terabytes) recovered from an alien nanocapsule. The capsule itself is standard buckyfibre-carbonite composite. The encoded message is in old ComEmp protocol such as is still common in the outer volumes. The holographic image that came with the message is curious. Anatomically it indicates terran mammalian origin (especially in the upper torso and structure of the forelimb), but other features are unknown among all the recorded exobiological races so far discovered. One cannot deny the possibility that this a phenotype template for the dragonized humanoids referred to in the body of the message. It is known that transmissions from the Cassandry Federation of the JewellBox Nebula have recently ceased, but this is not unusual given that empire's turbulent history. Until more information is incoming, I would strongly recommend any expeditions to the Jewellbox nebula be given armed escort and proceed with caution.

Nilam Levakon for Alan Martin Kazlev
Senior Academician, clade Haeckel
Eden Institute of Xenoscience

:original: Namaste :wink2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wink2: Freedom :original:

[orthodoxymoron]

Here is a post from the abraxasinas thread...with my post in white...and the abraxasinas comments in red:

abraxasinas...what is your opinion regarding the following philosophical and political potpourri?

Greetings and Salutations to the Beings of the Universe!

Please consider the following emotional expression of attempted understanding and intent. I didn't intend this as a general communication...but it sort of evolved into an open letter. I resisted rewriting it...to keep it informal and genuine. I just want to see a proper governmental system for the Solar System in place which maximizes Responsible Freedom. I keep thinking that we are a galactic administrative problem...and that most of you neither love us nor hate us. You probably want us to evolve! I also keep thinking that we are rebels without a clue...who legitimately rebelled against something (enslavement and theocracy perhaps?)...but ended up in worse trouble than if we had just gone with the program...so to speak. Now...we seem to be on the verge of blowing ourselves up, becoming enslaved by malevolent ET's, and being ruled by a really nasty theocracy. Or...on the verge of a top down silent and bloodless revolution...whereby we could finally achieve a united and free world at peace...for the first time in our history. I'm trying to visualize more underground living and electric everything...and interplanetary tourism and industry using advanced spacecraft. I'd like to see an end to extreme wealth and poverty via Responsible Free Enterprise. I don't have a problem with interacting with other benevolent beings...no matter what they look like...or what their history is...as long as they are genuinely benevolent. It would obviously take time for everyone to get used to each other. Project Avalon may be one of the first steps toward a Solar System United Nations...or whatever everyone wants to call it. I suspect that beings from throughout the Solar System...view, and even participate, on Avalon. We discuss various and sundry subjects presently...but someday we may vote...as members of a Solar System General Assembly. I have been repeatedly moved to tears by two related Stargate SG-1 episodes which touch on a Galactic United Nations: 1. http://www.fancast.com/tv/Stargate-S...antalus/videos 2. http://www.hulu.com/watch/68254/star...the-fifth-race

You are invoking here a number of presuppositions regarding some hierarchical structure of galactic governance you are envisaging.
Can you perceive a form of Local Governance; say on a planet without national boundaries or any kind of political or socio-economic centralization?
The 'people' who live and interact at some locale also regulate themselves and their intractions without 'central jurisprudence'.

The Thuban perspective is as indicated above. The Galactic Councils are interacting as a 'Federation or Collective' of independent councils formed solely for the purpose to further the evolvement of subsystems in the parameter of universal consciousness and source energy resonation.

Because the human experience of observedly 'insane' (by Thuban standards) overgovernance and overregulation has hitherto given no credence or allowance to the innate ability of the human 'to rule itself' - given an amicable environment - such ideas remain largely anathema to the human groupmind.

Here is a link which I found interesting with information from John Rhodes: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/su...reptiles38.htm It caused me to speculate. What if Reptilians evolved...but not Humans? What if the entire universe was Reptilian? What if there were no Humans anywhere? What if the entire universe was a Reptilian Universal Church Theocracy?

You are correct here, should you replace the word associations of 'physicalised reptilian' by the idea of a 'Little Serpent', which IS in fact the preferred label as assumed by what you call 'God'.
You see this becomes a 10D Superstring as a Quantum-God or superstring in nospacetime; then transforming into a 11D Supermembrane as a God-Quantum and then as a 'Complexified Mathematical 2D-Plane' this Surface-Dragon INVENTS the 3rd dimension to allow a 'thickness' given to the 'plane'.
But the 3D then allows the 11D to become its boundary and so SELFREFLECTION occurs and becomes possible.
This then gives VOLUME to the 1D-10D superstring via its selfreflection as itself as a 2D-11D supermembrane and defines the TO BE BORN material universe as a 3D-12D supervolumar.

The GOD idea is a DRAGON idea. They are irrevokably interwoven, because the universe would not exist, were it not for the preBig Bang or superenergy of the nospacetime transforming a minute part of its potentially infinite source energy reservoir into what you term the observable material universe.

What if Humans were created as a slave race? ('Let us make man in our image') What if Lucifer (Ptah?) was the Reptilian in charge of the genetic engineering project which resulted in the creation of Human Beings? What if Humans were mistreated as slaves? What if a group of Reptilians, led by Lucifer, conspired with Humans, to kill God the Father (Ra?)...and take over 'Heaven'? What if this was the Luciferian Rebellion which led to War in Heaven...and the death of God the Father (Ra?)? What if the Reptilians loyal to God (Ra?) fought against the Luciferian Reptilians and Human Beings...driving them out of the Garden of Eden (Heaven?)

These are all pertinent labels and archetypes, which deserve detailed elucidation. Before you can physically implement the 'stories' as possible outcomes within the material cosmology; you are required to define your terms and labels in selfconsistency and cohesiveness.
I am commissioned to elucidate upon these matters and this is part of my agenda to translate and define those archetypes under the auspices of Thuban to give all readers the opportunity to compare the Thubanese definitions with any other definitions (say Anna Hayes or Helena Blavatsky or the Urantia Book or Seth or Kryon etc. etc.)
I shall do so in a more specific Q and A.

What if Battlestar Moon was used to transport the Luciferian Reptilians and Humans to Aldebaran, Sirius, and Earth...while being violently pursued by Nibiru? What if Interdimensional Reptilians aka The Spirit of God aka Amen battle with Luciferian Interdimensional Reptilians and the Divinity Within Humanity aka The Holy Spirit...to regain control of the Renegade Human Race? What if the New World Order is the Kingdom of Ra? What if the Luciferian Reptilians and a select group of Humans run Earth from underground bases on Earth and the Moon? Could this be Gizeh Intelligence? Could Reptilians and Humans loyal to Ra be Zionists? Could Reptilians and Humans loyal to Lucifer be Teutonic Zionists? Could a pacifist union of both factions be Followers of Jesus? Could Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom be the solution to this ancient mess? How much trouble am I in now? Probably quite a bit. But once again...this is just speculation...with no inside information whatsoever. I don't think that I have seen Lucifer...but one never knows!

I have seen Lucifer and I have also seen Lucifera. I have seen Cosmic Christ and Cosmic Antichrist. They are none other than RaH and HaR. They are none other than many soul energies which during the times have partaken in the archetypical energies labeled as RaH-HaR and other expressions of the Cosmic Twinship -Hermes Trismegistos.

This hypothetical being could walk down a crowded city street...and no one would notice anything out of the ordinary. This would be a 3D hybrid with lots of 4D, 5D, 6D, 7D connections...I think. I'm thinking of Anna in 'V'. There may be remarkable similarities. Who knows?!

Yes, Anna in V is a 'densification' of a reality which is in all.
YOU are Lucifer and Satania - Christ and Antichrist. Did not Vincent Price say: 'There is a little Lucifer in all of Us?'
And did not Joan Osborne sing a song: "What if God was One of Us?"
But perhaps you gainining clarification. Where is the 'Devil' in all of this? Where is 'Satan' in all of this?

I shall allow you to think about this. You may jump to your conclusions OR you may ponder the deeper realities.
I shall clarify another time.

I'm trying to think through a constitutionally based Solar System...where Reptilians, Humans, and Greys peacefully engage in commerce, athletics, education, tourism, the arts, entertainment, etc. There would be no God, no Satan...and nobody would have to bow down and worship anyone. No one would be a master...and no one would be a slave. Everyone would be in charge. I keep referring to the U.S. Constitution because of it being in use for over 200 years, and being currently in use. There could be others...perhaps superior...but I'm trying not to reinvent the wheel. It does not imply nationalism or protectionism. It does imply We the People(We the Beings?) being in charge...in an organized decentralism. If there are Deep Underground Military Bases throughout the Solar System inhabited by various factions of Humans, Greys, and Reptilians...an all out war would be utterly devastating. A voluntary cooperation under a constitution would make so much more sense. The gods could retire...which is what I want. I don't want Lucifer(or equivalent) to be hurt or killed...I just want the reign of terror to end. I'm suspecting that well intentioned beings of all races...for billions of years...have tried to be God...and failed miserably. Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely...no matter how intelligent and well-intentioned you are. It turns a Good God into an Evil Satan...and it probably doesn't take very long.

The 'reign' of terror will end and when it ends you will understand WHY it was necessary to have been manifested.
Can the Nature of Love and Harmony be appreciated, if no dissonance has ever been experienced?
Is this not the story of the Trees in Eden?

If the U.S. Constitution was the central authority of the Solar System...instead of any deity or demon...no one would be worshipped, humiliated, exalted, enslaved, etc. If Lucifer is the Godess of This World (and Solar System?)...and will not relinquish power to anyone else ('if I can't have them...nobody can!')...might a constitutional ultimate authority allow this being to retire with grace? I'd really rather skip the Battle of Armageddon. Does Revelation 12 describe Lucifer or Satan? The ultimate leader of the serpent race's collective or 'hive mind' is the "great red dragon", the "old serpent", "the Devil" or "Satan". Lucifer was one of the three original archangels (along with Michael and Gabriel) who each had charge over one-third of the 'angels'. Mind you...I'm hypothesizing a very dark universe...where this crazy world is as good as it gets. This is a terrifying thought to me...but what if this is reality? The horror! Could the following experience describe the being who Lucifer rebelled against? I found it in chapter 19 of the 'Dulce Book' http://www.thewatcherfiles.com/dulce_book.htm on the watcherfiles.com website. I don't know if this is credible...but it really made me think. Does the following description refer to Lucifer...or to Satan? I'm leaning toward Satan aka God Amen...but there might be some similarities with Lucifer...who would have to have some communication with Satan...on an ongoing basis.

Lucifer will 'marry' Lucifera and Satan will undergo a sexchange operation!

"One of the 'targets' to which Mr. Brown's military RV trainer sent him was the Grey aliens' collective mind, and more specifically he was instructed to search out the ultimate command or control center of the collective. Shortly after this particular experiment began [one of many], Brown found himself in an area where several Greys were working, although he did not know exactly where this was. He 'followed' the collective mind or thought-flow and found it to be absolutely massive, giving him the feeling of something unbounded, and almost universal in nature. However, he did detect a center, a definite 'heartbeat' of this massive collective matrix, into which and out from which a steady stream of information was flowing. He noticed, at one point, an unusual 'subspace' being that seemed to be directing the activities of the Greys he was observing, and discovered that the bodies of the Greys themselves were incarnated by such 'subspace' beings which apparently entered the Greys' embryonic bodies and used them as vessels to manipulate physical reality.

The 'Great Collective' is the Light-Matrix. The physicality of Light is known as photonic particle and also as a quantum mechanical wave.
Relative to flat 4D spacetime light travels.
Relative to curved 12D-spacetime light 'stands still' as the Light-Matrix. This you know as 'scalar waves' as derivative of the 4-vector velocity and the decomposition of the lightpath into space and time.

Brown was then instructed to locate other of these beings who apparently controlled the Grey collective from a subspace or astral level, and found himself in an area where several of these subspace or paraphysical entities were located. As he continued towards this 'center' the number of subspace or non-corporeal beings increased until he came to a place of much activity, something like a grand central station type of area, where these beings were very active in various pursuits. He did not know exactly where this was, but noticed that the closer he came to the control 'center' the more he sensed an increasing rigid atmosphere of absolute military-like control. He came to what he sensed was the central governing center of the subspace beings' activity, and in the center of this there was another area where a "council of 10" very high-level subspace or paraphysical entities congregated. These were apparently the governing principalities who were engaged in running the whole operation. The security here was absolutely incredible.

Then he perceived the SUPREME LEADER of this council of 10 paraphysical entities... and at about this point Courtney Brown was jerked back into his body, so to speak. He sensed that this leader had detected the presence of his own subspace, astral or magnetic body which he had projected, and had followed this RV 'intruder' back to his physical source. Brown and his trainer felt an oppressive, dark 'cloud' enter the room and it stayed there for about half a minute scrutinizing the scene. It left, apparently seeing the two RV'ers as "small frys" who were not worth wasting its time on.

The light-matrix or Maxwell ether of the 'displacement magnetocurrent' harbours the T-Duality of the 11D supermembrane in shortrange vibratory and longrange wibnded modalities.
This allows the 'thoughtforms' created by the spacetime inhabitors to manifest in psychophysical multidimensional reality.

Before Brown's expulsion from the command center however, he was able to perceive for a brief moment what this being was really like. He or it was an extremely powerful being, but one with a twisted personality that was full of darkness. Apparently this being had come into conflict with another Force which it saw as its enemy. Brown sensed within this being a severe self-esteem problem, in spite of its incredible power, and because of this it had a consuming desire to be worshipped by others. Brown was confused when he sensed that these subspace beings, and in turn the Reptilians/Greys, were actually COMMANDED by this leader to engage in self-indulgent and destructive activities. This being apparently wanted his servants to use self-indulgent rewards or fear of punishment to maintain the absolute hierarchical command structure within its empire -- as well as through the rest of the subspace hierarchy, and in turn throughout the Reptilian Grey's collective 'hive' society that they completely infested.

Brown also got the impression that it was FEAR and PRIDE -- its perceived NEED to be worshipped -- that kept this being from negotiating with its ancient enemy, and that this being was utterly desperate to maintain its very survival or existence [strange for a seemingly immortal subspace being] and chose to resort to rebellion and terrorism in a desperate attempt to take control of the situation. Brown recieved a strong impression that this being was the ultimate universal terrorist!!! (Did ET Phone Rome and Call 9/11?) Apparently because of its all-consuming ego this being would NEVER humble itself before its 'enemy', and the same might be said for most of the upper echelon of the hierarchy who depended on the praise of their fellow collaborators to maintain their illusion of self-importance.

These beings, one might say, had long ago and of their own free-agency 'imploded' in upon themselves -- becoming 'spiritual black holes' with all-consuming appetites, absolute astral vampirial-like parasites, having extinguished all 'light' within themselves and therefore being unable to be brought back "into the light". Incapable of giving out 'light', they have become totally reprobate, devouring any and all life and innocence around them that they can possibly consume. The leader of this subspace 'collective' had long ago drawn these other dark beings into itself, like a large black star devouring other smaller ones around it. This irreversible state MIGHT not apply entirely to ALL of these "subspace" beings, as we will see later on."

I hereby invite all beings throughout the universe to support the spirit...if not the letter...of the first post of this linked thread regarding Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878 Obviously...the details will have to be worked out by those who are much more competent than myself. I don't know the full story...but the more I research...the more enthusiastic I become regarding this concept. But this will require universal support...and will undoubtedly involve great sacrifice and hardship. I think we are all in huge trouble...throughout the universe...not just on Earth. I also think that all secrecy needs to be removed presently...and that Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom must be pursued with all deliberate speed. The gloves need to be removed...so to speak.

You exhibit much fervour for the tasks at hand and your enthusiasm, coupled to a reawakening of your inner information base will support you in your quest.

"Most people do not really want freedom, because freedom involves responsibility, and most people are frightened of responsibility." -- Sigmund Freud

The Andromedan Perspective Regarding the Future of Humanity is "Responsible Freedom of Self Determination...Becoming Truly Self Confident and Free...to Unconditionally be Responsible for Oneself...Without Being Coerced to Accept Some Higher Authority." -- related by Alex Collier

The Thuban agenda converges with the Andromedean agenda rather beautifully.

"We the People of Earth have before us the opportunity to forge for ourselves, and for future generations...a True World Order. A world where Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...not the Old World Disorder Demonic Theocracy...governs the conduct of nations. When we are successful...and we will be...we have a real chance at this True World Order...an order in which a credible United Nations can use Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom to fulfill the promise and vision of All Races." -- my rewrite of part of a New World Order speech by George H. W. Bush

"Like it or not, eveything is changing. The result will be the most wonderful experience in the history of man...or the most horrible enslavement that you can imagine. Be active, or abdicate...the future is in your hands." -- William Cooper

This is a thread devoted to experimenting with the idea of applying the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights (except for the first two paragraphs of Article 6...and the 16th Amendment) to the entire Solar System. Article 6 has been misused to establish treaties which supercede the Constitution. There is a question regarding the validity of the 16th Amendment. My preference is that the Federal Reserve should be abolished...and a non-private central bank should issue a silver-based currency. The United States of the Solar System does NOT imply rule by the United States of America...especially in its presently infiltrated and subverted sad state. Constructive Competition...Positive Response Ability...and Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom are the underlying principles and concepts. A focus on the documents is what is desired. We will attempt to use the Constitution and Bill of Rights...mostly as is...with very minimal changes in wording(to apply to the Solar System and include both males and females) and some very minimal streamlining.

Is there merit to the idea of replacing the U.N. Charter with the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...with all of the regions of Earth...and all of the regions of the planets and moons of the Solar System...treated as States? Various Alien Nations could participate with Ambassadors...but they could not dictate. A President would simply be a spokesperson or PR person for the decisions of the Senatorial and Congressional General Assemblies. Most of the communications and deliberations would be electronic...with actual meetings at U.N. Headquarters being mostly symbolic and ceremonial. Could this arrangement be considered to be the preferred alternative to a theocracy (a Universal Church)? Would this arrangement constitute a desirable non-theocratic union of politics and religion? Isn't religion really politics...and politics really religion? Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom would be the absolute standard and modus operandi of a New Universal Order.

Have I completely lost my mind...or is this an ultra-simple solution to the problems which plague this Solar System (and possibly the universe)? I am basing all of this on an unproven assumption that there is life throughout the Solar System...including, but not limited to, Human, Grey, and Reptilian life...and that the Grey and Reptilian life is not simply a non-physical demonic phenomenon. Obviously...there would have to be safeguards which would prevent a dictatorial take-over. All groups would need to be protected from themselves (competing internal factions) and the other groups. Mutually beneficial interplanetary and interracial interaction would be the goal.

Shields of any kind (say except in sports or art) are not required by a truly advanced galactic community.

I initially included alien races in the Constitution of the United States of the Solar System...but I changed the wording back to include only Human Beings. This is not anti-alien. It is intended as a safeguard. We the People of the Solar System need to get our house in order internally...and then interact with all Alien Nations...in a very open yet cautious manner. I don't know how this should appropriately occur. I don't know the details of the alien presence in the Solar System. I'm open to reasonable solutions. Perhaps Alien Nations could have non-voting membership status...where their views would be made known in an official capacity...and where they would address the Congressional and Senatorial General Assemblies. Perhaps this could be preparatory to full voting status. I don't know. I'm just very wary of Trojan Horse scenarios. Again...I do not desire rulership over Alien Nations. Nor do I desire their humiliation, degradation, extermination, or enslavement.

The preamble is a condensed version of the preamble to the Charter for the United Nations. I did remove the reference to treaties and other sources of international law. Nothing should supercede the founding documents.

'The Declaration of Human Sovereignty' from www.humansovereignty.org is included, with minimal modifications. I basically agree with it...and do not wish to reinvent the wheel. I did, however, eliminate the homeworld references, and I eliminated the demand to destroy ET bases...which might be necessary to defend the Solar System. This is the cosmic equivalent of the 'Declaration of Independence'. A big thank-you to humansovereignty.org. They might, or might not, approve of this thread. I don't know. Perhaps I won't have to wait long to find out!

The concept is simple...but undoubtedly the details and implementation would be very, very complex. I'm guessing that powerful forces outside of this Solar System would have to agree to allow this to occur. I'm also sensing that some of the agreement...if it was granted...would be very grudging...with the view that it would never work...and that the Pleiades, Sirius, Draco, Orion (and others?) would ultimately theocratically rule Earth eventually anyway. Who knows...this could be a new development in a very dictatorial, rigid, and violent universe. It could be Morning in the Universe...or the Solar System...at least. Lucifer...what do you think? How will this play in the Pleiades, Sirius, Draco, and Orion? You can make this happen. We are all actors on a stage...and the universe is watching. Namaste to everyone...including you Lucifer.

I don't hate anyone...Reptilian or Human. I think that 99% are victims...and the remaining 1% are deluded or insane (and in a sense...victims as well...even though they are in charge...and may be very harsh and cruel). I think everyone is in trouble...from the top to the bottom. This universe may need a new program and a reboot. The Reptilians...who many fear (including me)...may turn out to be quite friendly...if and when there is a paradigm shift and a leadership change. Their external appearance should not be viewed predjudicially. I don't know the true nature of the Reptilians. I've never seen one (that I know of)...and I'm still not absolutely sure that they exist (although the testimonial evidence is overwhelming). This conceptual statment should not be viewed as Human vs Reptilian. In an all-out Human vs Reptilian war...I have a sneaking suspicion that humanity might cease to exist. Who knows...Benevolent Reptilians may be keeping Human Beings from becoming extinct.

The 'Little Serpent' is the most benevolent creature imaginable; now or at any other timeline. The 'Little Serpent' is the template and blueprint for the 'Quantum of Love' the Gauge Love-Photon of the wormhole frequency.

If the universal community cannot accept the linked proposal http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878 as a universal modus operandi...I would only request that an exception be made for this Solar System. Give us a chance to test the concept...under quarantine...if deemed necessary. I understand that unrestrained and irresponsible freedom is highly dangerous and contageous. The qualifiers outlined in the first post of this thread should be sufficient to maintain legitimate and reasonable law and order.

Thanks and Gratitude in Advance to the Beings of the Universe.

Namaste

I have attempted to give comment to the above in interspersion orthodoxymoron.

Abraxasinas

:original: Namaste :wink2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wink2: Freedom :original:

[orthodoxymoron]

Here is a question and answer session between me and abraxasinas on abraxasinas's thread. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18900&page=38 I don't know who this really is...but they are unlike anyone I have encountered. The answers often seem to not be of human origin. Here goes:

This thread reminds me of one of my favorite Stargate SG-1 episodes. http://www.hulu.com/watch/68254/stargate-sg-1-the-fifth-race
I have recently become particularly interested in the Archangels Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer. What type of beings are they?
4 principalities;linked to the elements as polarity emanations of 2nd Order.
Fire=Michael complementary with Gabriel=Air
Earth=Uriel complementary with Water=Raphael
Lucifer=1st order archetype responsible for allowing gravity to be born in the Big Bang Template to reharmonise the massless electromagnetic template

Are they in conflict with each other?
No!

If so...is the Human Race the central issue in this conflict?
Yes, the human race is the central issue, but not in conflict byt reharmonisations.

Is Michael really Jesus?
The Fire-aspect of Jesus is Michael, call it the Logos of the Fire.

Was Jesus the last Pharaoh?
There is no last pharaoh. Jesus encompasses all prophets, all pharaohs and all things period.

Is Mary a legitimate co-mediatrix with Jesus?
Another one of those labels. Mary as the universal womb gives birth to Jesus who then takes 'Her place, so SHE can reunite with her vcreator as the creation. This the focus point of humanity/Gaia, as Gaia is a hologram for the entire universe.

Could Gabriel be identified with Zionism?
Zion is a 'holy place' namely your own body. The political and ET agendas do not carry in the Thuban books.

Could Lucifer be identified with Teutonic Zionism?
Of course ands of course not. You like your labels of classifications don't you.

Could Michael be identified with the Andromedan perspective?
Of course and of course not. Andromeda is in a class with Perseus aka Milky Way.

Who is the God or Goddess of This World?
The Father and Mother, cosmically not biologically speaking of Jesus.

Has corruption and sanity been a problem for this being?
Nope.

Are Satan and Lucifer two separate and distinct beings?
Yes, Satan is the true manifestation of a fake image, called the Devil. Satan is the 'court prosecutor' of 'humanity' and Lucifer is the template for this collective humanity being prosecuted by Satan
Satan is the 'Kali' of Shakti as two sides of the one coin called God.
Satan is God and you are Lucifer in individuality. You can either 'play' a Christ White Lucifer look LUCIFER=74=JESUS=MESSIAH=CROSS=...or you can play a Dark Lucifer as an abssorber of the 'brought' light.

Is there...or has there ever been...a God who was higher than Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer?
Yes, this is the 1st Order of Abraxas aka Abrasax as the polarity unexpressed BUT contained within, like the Dark+White Lucifers as One or as Satan+God as One.

If so...was this God destroyed in the War in Heaven?
No, this 1st Order is omniness and above such polarity issues as a war in heaven on earth or otherplace.

Is Satan one of these three?
Satan is 1st Order, the archangels are 2nd order.

If so...which one? Did Lucifer instruct Charles Darwin?
Ask Charles Darwin.

Would Human sovereignty in this Solar System be a good thing?
Not yet, later perhaps.

Is a theocracy a good or a bad thing?
Your polarity issue.

Is Responsible Freedom fundamentally rebellious in nature?
No

Can the Riemann Integral be applied to curved space?
Yes.

Is quantum physics valid...
yes

or would a modified classical physics provide a more secure foundation?
more or less the same thing

What are the theological implications and ramifications of quantum physics?
There are many book you can read.

Why was Heisenberg uncertain?
He wasn't.

Can a particle really be influenced by observation?
Yes by quantum entanglement of observer with the particle.

Have you ever read 'The Great Controversy' by Ellen G. White? If so...what is your opinion?
As is common happenstance Ellen tuned into a correct archetype about the nature of God and attempted to describe this via her intuitions and visions. Her 'Great Controversy' so used biblical study and the SDA ideas to promulgate the 'correct' central focus on the Logos of Jesus.
Unless you really become familiar with the 1st order archetypes, the religious overtones will outmanouver the deeper meaning of the Logos.
This has occurred in all analyses, histotical skeptical, religious dogma based etc. etc.

Have you heard of Dr. Desmond Ford? (An Adventist Theologian from Australia) What is the proper interpretation of, and relationship between, Daniel 8:14 and Hebrews 9:12?
The 2300 days are added to the 370 days of the Genesis prophecy (count Noah's days in the flood archetype) for a total of 1670 days.
Half that and you have the 1335 days in Daniel.12.12 as the timeline of the Logos in mirror function.
The connection to Hebrews.9.12 is spurious; as the 'blood of Christ' means not the 'blood of the sacrifices', but the 'life force' in the triplicities. both 'agreeing as One'; say the spirit, the water and the blood as the witness on earth and the father, the word and the holy ghost (1John.4.6-9).sons

Should the Biblical Cannon have ended with the Acts of the Apostles?
No.

Is the so called Great Controversy Between Christ and Satan really a Human vs Reptilian conflict?
No

Or is it really between two individual beings?
No, its between the One being in controversy with itself.

What are the soteriological implications of the human nature of Jesus Christ?
The Logos incarnated as a unique oneness so this oneness could become a manyness at the fulfilment of the timeline as programmed by the logos.

Is the substitutionary atonement...in the context of the Old Testamental sacrificial system...a theological milestone...or a historical necessity?
It past its use by date. The lambs are Aries, the goats are Capricorns and the calves are Taurians as starsigns. The 'blood sacrifice' of the physical animal has become replaced by the ordering of 'birthrights' of the 12 signs/apostles/sons of Jacob etc - all of whom are within you - if you can handle THAT Story.

Is theology at the center of disclosure?
Yes.

Is Christocentric Egyptological Science Fiction a valid theological foundation or expression in modernity?
Another label attempting to describe the ubiquity of the logos.

Would a Non-Penetential, Non-Sacrificial, Ecumenical Namaste Mass...based upon the Latin Mass be a valid focal point for a Minimalist, Humanistic Theocracy based upon Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom?
This kind of 'mass' does not concern the Thuban Council.

Is the All Seeing Eye at the Top of the Pyramid illuminated by the Dog Star Sirius?
One of many labels for the solar eye of Horus and the lunar eye of Thoth.

How important is Sirius?
First Contact Star.

Is the God of This World the Prince of Sirius?
Yes amongst all other 'princes'.

Should the Protestant Reformation have been based upon the Teachings of Jesus?
They were.

Are the Teachings of Jesus alone fundamental...and the rest of scripture merely contextual?
Yes, absolutely.

Do Reptilian Beings hate Jesus Christ?
No, they are like humans, some understand others do not.

If so...why? Is there a 'Heaven' in M-42 in Orion?
Heaven does not exist anyplace but your own mind.

What type of beings might be found in this portion of the heavens?
Whatever you can imagine and image.

Is there hope and redemption for all beings in the Universe?
All are already redeemed, without exception.

I want everyone to make it! Even the really evil beings...if this is possible. Some isolation and re-education might be necessary...and some might have to be eternally isolated. I don't know...but I do not wish harm or misery on any being...no matter who they are...what they look like...or what they have done. All of us may have some very filthy reincarnational baggage!
WE are all Individuations of the ONE, defined and programmed by the Logos as the Sentience of the ONE Energy Source.

I could keep going for hours...but I'd better stop.
Thanks for that.

You don't need to answer all or any of these questions. I just have lots and lots of questions. If I truly spoke my mind...I'd be in huge trouble. I think I'm in enough trouble already. Thank-you abraxasinas! I love that name! Do you work or live in Pine Gap?
No, but the Council knows what goes on there, being the spying center for the Southern Hemisphere and such. They can only go so far. The Logos got them covered.

:original:Namaste :wink2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wink2: Freedom :original:

[orthodoxymoron]

Please closely examine the previous three posts and tell me what you think. Were all of my questions answered in the previous two posts? Were the answers complete, convincing, and to the point? What was the tone of the comments and answers? I get the feeling that abraxasinas doesn't like me very much. What do you think? I am tempted, at times, to really get involved in a serious debate with abraxasinas...but I think I'd lose...even if I was right! I know this energy from several different sources. You'd be amazed if you knew what goes through my mind, each and every day. Life is very, very strange for me. I feel like I'm in some sort of a creepy "B" movie. Actually...it might be more like a real life "V" movie...at least in my mind. Once again...consider Hathor. I'm thinking that a proper understanding of Hathor is very important. In the Stargate movie...I think of the Ra character as being Hathor.

Here is the Stargate movie:
1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIT5Bg4o51Q&feature=related
2. Blocked by the Gods!
3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEM0DQs9th0
4. Blocked by the Gods!
5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWhAo07bFEM&feature=related
6. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J-lJ60bPGE&feature=related
7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sccVsobKLyQ&feature=related
8. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsPMtPTSF3s&feature=related
9. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nieF177sbks&feature=related
10. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWkdV0VBMTw&feature=related
11. Blocked by the Gods!
12. Blocked by the Gods!
13. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y88lgWXHDXU&feature=related

I don't know how long it will remain on YouTube...so watch it while you can! Please read between the lines...and attempt to connect the dots. I don't have a lot of answers...I'm just trying to get us to think. In all of this...I mean no disrespect to the historical or contemporary powers that be. I just want to contemplate what the next logical step for humanity might be. This involves doing some digging. Unfortunately...I'm probably a bull in a very expensive china closet.

1. http://www.hulu.com/watch/62967/stargate-sg-1-hathor 2. http://images.google.com/images?sourceid=navclient&rlz=1T4GGIR_enUS216US217&q=hathor+egyptian+goddess&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ei=9FUpS_L9ApGOtAPkmIy5BA&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBwQsAQwAA

There is a line in the above linked Stargate SG1 episode...where Hathor states that all the other gods come from her. Also...the Stargate depiction of Ra looks a lot like the artistic depictions of Hathor in the second link above. Could all of the ancient and modern deities really be the same deity? Did Amen Ra / Hathor / Lucifer / et al essentially write the Bible? Who was Josephus...really? Who is abraxasinas...really? Common Political and Religious Cross Pollenation...spanning thousands of years? Hmmmmm...

From Wikipedia: Hathor

Goddess Hathor in a red dress wear the headress of a sun disk and cow's horn.
Goddess of the sky, love, beauty, and music
Name in hieroglyphs
Major cult center Dendera
Symbol the sistrum
Parents Ra
Siblings Shu, Tefnut, Sekhmet (in some accounts), Bast, Serket
Consort Horus, Ra ?, Thoth ?
Children Ihy, Ra ?, Horus ? [1]
Hathor , (Hwt Hr Egyptian for Horus's enclosure)[1], was an Ancient Egyptian goddess who personified the principles of love, motherhood and joy.[2] She was one of the most important and popular deities throughout the history of Ancient Egypt. Hathor was worshiped by Royalty and common people alike in whose tombs she is depicted as “Mistress of the West” welcoming the dead into the next life.[3]. In other roles she was a goddess of music, dance, foreign lands and fertility who helped women in childbirth.[3]

The cult of Hathor pre-dates the historical period and the roots of devotion to her are therefore difficult to trace though it may be a development of predynastic cults who venerated the fertility, and nature in general, represented by cows.[4] Hathor is commonly depicted as a cow goddess with head horns in which is set a sun disk with Uraeus. Twin feathers are also sometimes shown in later periods as well as a menat necklace.[4] Hathor may be the cow goddess who is depicted from an early date on the Narmer Palette and on a stone urn dating from the 1st dynasty that suggests a role as sky-goddess and a relationship to Horus who, as a sun god, is “housed” in her.[4]

The Ancient Egyptians viewed reality as multi-layered in which deities who merge together for various reasons, whilst retaining divergent attributes and myths, were not seen as contradictory but complementary.[5] In a complicated relationship Hathor is at times the mother, daughter and wife of Ra and, like Isis, is at times described as the mother of Horus, and associated with Bat and Sekhmet.[4] The cult of Osiris promised eternal life to those deemed morally worthy. Originally the justified dead, male or female, became an Osiris but by early Roman times females became identified with Hathor and men with Osiris.[6] The Ancient Greeks identified Hathor with the goddess Aphrodite and the Romans as Venus.[7]

:original: Namaste :wink2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wink2: Freedom :original:

[orthodoxymoron]

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron on the abraxasinas thread:

Once again...thank-you abraxasinas for what you are doing. Proceed in your own way...and in your own time...to fully reveal to us who you really are...and what you have really done...throughout Universal History. I think I have a pretty good idea...but I'm not talking! I'd only be guessing anyway. I'm going through this entire thread (slowly)...and I'm amazed. You are a very special individual. Much love and gratitude! Namaste abraxasinas.

Response by abraxasinas:

So are you orthodoxy, so are you.
Once you know how special you are, you will understand.
The Council thanks you soo much of presenting the CURIOUS and INQUISITIVE nature of the Prime Creator himself.
We love you very much dear friend of the council.
May I suggst to you to read the messages from the newest to the oldest?
Your quest to understand would be greatly accelerated.
You see out of the chaos emerges the order!
So the later posts will exhibit more order and simplicity, than the earlier ones.
Have you eaten your dragon yet?
Once you have done so, you shall enter the council - #1451.
Love the Sirebard of the Hissing Om.
__________________
I Am One in Many and I Am Many in One!

Is this warm response a good thing? In a way...I think it is...but I don't know the true nature of abraxasinas or the Council of Thuban (assuming that they are the real deal...and not simply the product of an overactive imagination). I'm not sure I want to eat my dragon. Would entering the council be a good thing...or would it be indicative of selling one's soul...and selling out the human race? Am I too accomodating regarding non-human beings...or am I too flippant and disrespectful toward them? I have insufficient information...to make truly intelligent decisions about any of this. One would need to be properly informed by truly credible sources...regarding the true state of affairs in this Solar System and throughout the Universe. But once again...those who really and truly know what's what don't seem to be saying a helluva lot. I appreciate the whistleblowers, remote viewers, channelers, contactees, and abductees...but something seems to be seriously missing. I feel empty and lost regarding all of this. You folks might think that Leo Zagami is crazy and not credible...but I rewatched the first part of the Camelot interview...and I think he knows a helluva lot...crazy or not. I also think that Jordan Maxwell knows a helluva lot. They both have a Roman Catholic background. I truly believe that Catholic insiders probably know more than just about anyone else on Earth regarding what's really going on. But getting these people to speak freely and honestly is probably next to impossible...especially while being videotaped! Zagami and Maxwell may be exceptions...assuming that they are speaking honestly.

Anyway...if abraxasinas is the real deal...transitioning from darkness into light...I don't want to jinx the process by asking hard and probing questions...and making outlanding speculations. On the other hand...if abraxasinas is the real deal...I would like to do everything possible to make this hypothetical transition from darkness into light...as smooth and painless as possible. But beware of deception and hidden agendas...hidden by complexity and flattery. I honestly don't know who to believe or who to trust. So really...I trust no one...not even myself.

:original: Namaste :wink2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wink2: Freedom :original:

[orthodoxymoron]

Pre-closure comment:

When they say 'Take me to your leader'...someone must be directing them to Avalon! Seriously...freedom of speech is a two-edged sword...and so is censorship. The abraxasinas material is obviously not for everyone. If someone is strongly opposed to abraxasinas...it's up to them to come up with rational counter arguments or revealing observations. The thread should be uncensored (within reason)...but harsh and critical responses should also be uncensored (within reason). The abraxasinas thread is a tremendous mental and spiritual exercise...regardless of the source or any hidden agendas. We all need to develop thick skin and analytical minds. We shouldn't have to be spoon-fed with only those things that are 'good for us'. Go abraxasinas!

Post-closure comment:

I was just beginning to seriously examine the abraxasinas thread...and while I had huge reservations and unanswered questions...I entertained the possibility that this phenomenon was not of this world...and that it might be extremely significant regarding disclosure. Einstein said that the Universe is stranger than we think...and that it is stranger than we can think. What if the Star Wars Bar isn't too far off? What if the Universe is filled with non-sense and absurdities? How might a lower-case god or goddess behave online? They might seem very strange to us. I had recently considered the possibility that abraxasinas was transitioning from the darkness to the light...and from insanity to sanity. Who knows? I have never encountered anyone like abraxasinas...although I kept feeling that I was figuring out who this might be...and that I had felt some of this energy in various well-known people. I'm going to continue to go through the Thuban thread...and make observations. This could be good practice for that which is to come. How will disclosure really occur? Has it been occurring right under our noses...without us realizing it? How should we properly evaluate anything? I lean toward the respectful yet irreverent approach...where I ask questions which I know are going to make someone angry...yet I ask the questions with no animosity. I just want the truth. Anyway...abraxasinas...wherever you are...and whoever you are...please seriously consider embracing Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom as your modus operandi. Thank-you for doing what I think you were doing. I may come to a very different conclusion when I finish your thread. Who knows? May the force be with you. I hope to meet you someday. Perhaps we can share a bottle of fine wine.

:original: Namaste :wink2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wink2: Freedom :original:

[orthodoxymoron]

abraxasinas and the Thuban material http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18900&highlight=Thuban should probably be neither accepted or rejected...but simply evaluated in an open yet critical manner. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20386 The 'real' abraxasinas may be more subtle and obscure than one might imagine. If one had complete reincarnational recall...or moved from young adult body to young adult body via fully conscious soul-transference...century after century...and was able to utilize 100% of human brain capacity...and was perfectly possessed by a Draconian Reptilian Being...and had complete access to the Vatican Library and the Thuban Database (or equivalent)...what might one be like? They would be quite different...wouldn't they? I'm not saying that this describes abraxasinas...but it could. If it doesn't...I think there is a very strong possibility that such an individual exists...historically and presently. My current thinking is that this individual is an Anna-like (in "V") Human/Reptilian hybrid. I could be very wrong...but I think on one occasion...I may have seen this being. I don't wish to be more specific...and there is probably a 1% chance that the person I saw was really the one who I think they might have been. Still...I think that such an individual has existed throughout Human History...and has been the Best Friend and Worst Enemy of the Human Race...a being in conflict with itself. Think of the possibility of Earth Humanity as Prisoners of War on a Prison Planet with Grey Guards and a Human/Reptilian Warden answering to a Draconian Reptilian 'God'. The horror.

But what the hell do I know? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b365_qJEpDg Rewatch "V" (2009) with all of the above in mind. http://abc.go.com/watch/v/240273 Don't take anything I say too seriously. I really don't know. I just speculate...and ask a lot of questions. I speculate...therefore I am.

:original: Namaste :wink2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wink2: Freedom :original:

[Stargazer1965]

Here is a question and answer session between me and abraxasinas on abraxasinas's thread. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18900&page=38 I don't know who this really is...but they are unlike anyone I have encountered. The answers often seem to not be of human origin. Here goes:

You don't need to answer all or any of these questions. I just have lots and lots of questions. If I truly spoke my mind...I'd be in huge trouble. I think I'm in enough trouble already. Thank-you abraxasinas! I love that name! Do you work or live in Pine Gap?
No, but the Council knows what goes on there, being the spying center for the Southern Hemisphere and such. They can only go so far. The Logos got them covered.

:original:Namaste :wink2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wink2: Freedom :original:
Oxy...What was the time lapse between the question and the response...

When talking about books...Did Abraxas really know the material??

Just thinking...

[orthodoxymoron]

Oxy...What was the time lapse between the question and the response...

When talking about books...Did Abraxas really know the material??

Just thinking...

The responses weren't immediate. Several hours passed...but I don't know if abraxasinas read the questions as soon as I posted them. Regarding one book 'The Great Controversy' by Ellen White...abraxasinas seemed to have more than just a copy and paste knowledge. I asked about the relationship between Daniel 8:14 and Hebrews 9:12...and the answer once again reflected more than a copy and paste answer. When asked about the Australian theologian Dr. Desmond Ford...abraxasinas did not respond. I found that significant. I don't trust abraxasinas at all...but I think that whoever they are...they are very, very bright...regardless of whether they are simply doing searches or not.

:original: Namaste :wink2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wink2: Freedom :original:

[Céline]

From Thuban's representatives profile page..

Things are as they must be Mirror of John!
Thanks Anchor for feeding for so long.

Watch and contemplate the lost messages for clues.

Prophecy is fulfilled!

[Stargazer1965]

The responses weren't immediate. Several hours passed...but I don't know if abraxasinas read the questions as soon as I posted them. Regarding one book 'The Great Controversy' by Ellen White...abraxasinas seemed to have more that just a copy and paste knowledge. I asked about the relationship between Daniel 8:14 and Hebrews 9:12...and the answer once again reflected more than a copy and paste answer. When asked about the Australian theologian Dr. Desmond Ford...abraxasinas did not respond. I found that significant. I don't trust abraxasinas at all...but I think that whoever they are...they are very, very bright...regardless of whether they are simply doing searches or not.

:original: Namaste :wink2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wink2: Freedom :original:
i'M GOOD AT INTERNET RESEARCH...

You and Viking are the best I've seen...Could you guys do that??

Say in 4 hours...

[orthodoxymoron]

From Thuban's representatives profile page..

Things are as they must be Mirror of John!
Thanks Anchor for feeding for so long.

Watch and contemplate the lost messages for clues.

Prophecy is fulfilled!


Where is this from? Where is the profile page? Was Anchor being addressed personally...or is this just a verse? I don't know why I'm asking.

If I wanted to pull an information fast-one...I could probably give SaLuSa and the Galactic Federation a run for their money...but I couldn't even come close to matching abraxasinas. Perhaps Viking could!!! As for putting something together with a search vs knowing (and not needing to do a search)...picture a very bright lower case god or goddess...with a dozen very bright assistants...and a Cray Supercomputer. We're basically simple folk...who mean well...and are trying to solve our problems...and figure a few things out. I don't think we have a clue regarding the potential deceptive nature of information packaging and delivery. I'm not necessarily referring to the Thuban material...or to abraxasinas...but we should probably be very wary of everything...including ourselves. I suspect that the closer we come to ultimate truths and liberation...the more we become targets of the darkside. I feel like a walking battlefield...and I don't feel like I'm winning. Was the earthquake caused by closing the Thuban thread? Hmmmmmmmm.

:original: Namaste :wink2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wink2: Freedom :wink2:

[Céline]

on his profile page on PA

http://projectavalon.net/forum/member.php?u=10275

[Clarityofawareness]

Okay, me personally, after spending over an hour reading all related material mostly from related forum threads, I have but few words to say.

K>I>S>S> means "Keep it Simple Stupid". Not that anyone is ever stupid. I am no saint in getting others more confused and even upset at me for my confusing words. Thuban's material is not simple in my eyes. I've learned me self to seriously not continue confusion for all involved (well at least I try!). Enough said there. Except that my open mind, open heart and higher self all are the only real parts of my whole being that helps me decide what to do and what not to do in life.

So matter how cool or how revealing someone or something looks to me... if my whole being doesn't agree then neither do I. At this point I don't agree with Thuban's material. This comes from more than just my conscious mind.

Kevin

[Céline]

Truth can be complex but should never be complicated..

[chelmostef]

I don't feel like I'm winning.

:original: Namaste :wink2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wink2: Freedom :wink2:

I think you are.... I think you must be..


:wub2::wub2: :original:

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you chelmostef. I feel good regarding the various threads and basic concepts...but I am not a poster child for any of this. I'm basically a burned-out hypocrite. Someone with some real drive needs to latch-on to some of this stuff...and really do something with it. I'm sure this is happening. Go good guys and good gals!

I saw the picture of abraxasinas...and I'm not making a connection between the person pictured and the abraxasinas thread. I'm still sensing a feminine lower case goddess of sorts. But it could very well be this person. I'm still very interested in Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer. Who are they...really...and where are they presently?

I keep feeling an intense sadness regarding the whole Human predicament...but other races (if they really exist) may be in even more trouble than we are. I keep feeling as though no matter what we (or they) do...things are still going to be a mess...for a long, long time. No matter what happens...people are going to be upset and unhappy. Sometimes the people who have everything going for them get into horrible situations...or are unsatisfied with life...even though they have the best of everything.

Sorry for the rambling tangent. Just don't expect heaven or hell. My guess is that the future is going to be more of the same...only different! We'll just keep getting recycled back into a Solar System which gradually improves...century after century.

We may have needed the gods and goddesses (of whatever races) in the past...but I think We the People of the Solar System need to move on presently...and the gods and goddesses need to retire. I am grateful for their services...regardless of successes or failures. The ultimate Creator God seems to be absent...though very visible in the Creation. This is a mystery to me...and very, very troubling. What the hell happened? I keep thinking of ancient warfare which did not go well. Who knows?

:original: Namaste :wink2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wink2: Freedom :original:

[bigmo]

Truth can be complex but should never be complicated..

There as a possibility that explanations of cosmic truth to 3D beings can indeed be complicated my dear Celine. Would this suppose then that the explanation isn't true?


Peace

[Céline]

There as a possibility that explanations of cosmic truth to 3D beings can indeed be complicated my dear Celine. Would this suppose then that the explanation isn't true?


Peace

i prefer to see it as complex rather then complicated..

but maybe it is just synthax..

[chelmostef]

The ultimate Creator God seems to be absent...though very visible in the Creation. This is a mystery to me...and very, very troubling. What the hell happened? I keep thinking of ancient warfare which did not go well. Who knows?

:original: Namaste :wink2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wink2: Freedom :original:


I really think every thing is in its place and working out on schedule.. It seems a very mixed up place we live in a I cannot condone for one second the evil actions some take... But it does seem we need to learn these lessons to evolve or at least better ourselves. I truly believe we are here in the pre-school and everything is working out as planned.... Black and white, possitive and negative every thing has to balance it seems... I really wonder if this is really the case, can't everyone be happy, cant we have all the possitive and let the negative dissaipate into the ether... I have aligning myself with the possitive and will continue to do so and will fight for this untill my passing...


I really dont know how the god beings fit into this and how or if our history has been manipulated by these enititys... Im sure it will all come out in the wash... But be safe in the knowledge that we are all part of this complex puzzle and our most seemingly insignificant action can and will have a most profound effect in the most unpredictable way... Ask and it shall be done... This is our trump card and one they can never have an effect negate..

[viking]

i'M GOOD AT INTERNET RESEARCH...

You and Viking are the best I've seen...Could you guys do that??

Say in 4 hours...

Hi Stargazer...

Well yes it's not difficult to keep on top.

If you have bundles of information on lets say a given topic which you have saved on Word ect etc ... and you have several web pages running simultaneously with search engines...it's easy peasy to copy and paste within a few minutes!! Hence his ability to get back in record time with information...at times the information wasn't totally relevant to the question...hence some of his answers seemed off topic!!

viking

[Magamud]

I am very displeased that Thuban has been closed. Your trying to protect me from the devil???? Whew we never have done that before.. This type of dynamic is real and why shut off something that we need to face anyway? If we are to learn from the Cosmos, sovereignty is your first step. Quantum mechanics work from a creative emergent. You think the devil is going to catch me on his concepts that bare no Fruit? All I have is time too. I need to capture his image and steal it from him.
We are completely backed up by a monsoon of benevolent energy. A fractal fauna of beauty and inspiration. We are the up rooters the ones who dwell at the lightning.

Bring back Thuban.....

[Céline]

Your concerns do not fall on deaf ears ...

And i dont know who said "devil" but it wasnt me

[Magamud]

I said Devil....And hubris be with me at the Mount of Olives......

[Céline]

Ahh so it is your "take" ok...

[Magamud]

My take is:
Thuban has the knowledge of time but its a lie. He needs us to reflect and integrate his reality to find the truth. I need him to gain his archetypes and steal them back. This is a very unique opportunity and will allow Avalon to reincarnate its spirit as an identity in cosmic space, Yes?
Its reflective of our reality now. Everything is upside down. So is the devil....

[beren]

Free will is a wonderful thing, a gift of God.
We have a phrase in my country : " never look in teeth of a present."
Meaning present is a present ,freely given and not to be judged.

That means with free will, yes you are free to do whatever comes into your mind.
If you want to do it- DO IT.

But never forget boys and girls that if you sow a lily in the soil there is no absolutely way that an oak tree will grow.

:wink2:


If you want the "devil" ... sure -go get it.

But do not complain or whine afterwards.

If you want it ,come and get it -as Mr. Coverdale once sung...

[K626]

Free will is a wonderful thing, a gift of God.
We have a phrase in my country : " never look in teeth of a present."
Meaning present is a present ,freely given and not to be judged.

That means with free will, yes you are free to do whatever comes into your mind.
If you want to do it- DO IT.

But never forget boys and girls that if you sow a lily in the soil there is no absolutely way that an oak tree will grow.

:wink2:


If you want the "devil" ... sure -go get it.

But do not complain or whine afterwards.

If you want it ,come and get it -as Mr. Coverdale once sung...

The chimera of free will is only a cascading vortex of beyond awareness descsision making...In essence it can be programmed endlessly.

[orthodoxymoron]

Could the abraxasinas thread be based upon an actual being...and an actual database...yet put together on Avalon by someone who has some sort of connection with this being...serving as sort of an intermediary? If a key being was going to disclose himself, herself, or itself...how would they do it? It might have to be gradual. This being might be completely ignored or ridiculed. Disclosure might be completely missed by even the most studious ufologists. Disclosure might emerge in a completely unexpected form. It might be a real let-down...instead of being something exotic and exciting. We might all shake our heads in disbelief...and utter 'Is that all there is to it? There's got to be more to it...doesn't there? I wanted it to be so much more. Boo-Hoo!'

I continue to think in terms of possibilities and probabilities. So much of what we discuss is impossible to verify...or to know for certain...but we have to try to figure things out...don't we? I really hate this waiting-game and guessing-game. I hate being lied to. I only speculate because I have to. I don't enjoy this. Actually...there are aspects of all of this which I enjoy...but I find it taking a toll on my emotional and spiritual life...and a lot of things are being left undone...like making a significant amount of money and taking care of my house and my teeth! As much as everyone seems to hate 'America'...I still like the idea of the United States of the Solar System...which is NOT a promotion of the hated 'America'. I need a foundation based upon more than the latest alien craze.

The Avalon shutdown was interesting...but I think this whole area of research is a highly emotional spiritual war...where it is IMPOSSIBLE to avoid serious conflict and emotional trauma. The subjects we discuss aren't for sissies! I tend to think that we have no idea what really goes on behind the scenes...and what intense pressures the key people are under. The stakes in all of this are extremely high. The key government and religious people seem to have very short leashes...and aren't doing a lot of talking...so we have to pick-up tidbits here and there...and try to put them together in some sort of a coherent and credible form...yet which is impossible to prove. I appreciate both Bill and Kerry...regardless of what happens on Camelot and Avalon...and whether they continue to work together or not. I refuse to take sides.

:original: Namaste :wink2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wink2: Freedom :original:

[Majorion]

Could the abraxasinas thread be based upon an actual being...and an actual database
Hey ortho, well it certainly wasn't worth having the forum shut down for 24 hours.

[orthodoxymoron]

I believe in life after life after life...yet I often have to agree with Bertrand Russell in many ways...especially when life is hard or depressing. I'm having a Bertrand Russell sort of day. I don't necessarily believe the following quote...but this is the way I feel today. In "A Free Man's Worship" http://www.berith.org/essays/br/br03.html Bertrand Russell states the following:

"That man is the product of causes which had no prevision of the end they were achieving; that his origin, his growth, his hopes and fears, his loves and his beliefs, are but the outcome of accidental collocations of atoms; that no fire, no heroism, no intensity of thought and feeling, can preserve an individual life beyond the grave; that all the labors of the ages, all the devotion, all the inspiration, all the noonday brightness of human genius, are destined to extinction in the vast death of the solar system, and that the whole temple of man's achievement must inevitably be buried beneath the debris of a universe in ruins -- all these things, if not quite beyond dispute, are yet so nearly certain that no philosophy which rejects them can hope to stand. Only within the scaffolding of these truths, only on the firm foundation of unyielding despair, can the soul's salvation henceforth be safely built.

A strange mystery it is that nature, omnipotent but blind, in the revolutions of her secular hurryings through the abysses of space, has brought forth at last a child, subject still to her power, but gifted with sight, with knowledge of good and evil, with the capacity of judging all the works of his unthinking mother. In spite of death, the mark and seal of the parental control, man is yet free, during his brief years, to examine, to criticize, to know, and in imagination to create. To him alone, in the world with which he is acquainted, this freedom belongs; and in this lies his superiority to the resistless forces that control his outward life".

:original: Namaste :wink2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wink2: Freedom :original:

[Magamud]

Cosmic awareness will not abide by Corporate policy or Law my friends. These are old concepts that have served the wrong master in time. It should be self evident that this dynamic is in everything and when presented take the opportunity to loosen the bonds of oppression. Just say no! Integrity is everything when being transported in hyperspace...

Magamud...

[bigmo]

Wow Magamud... great post!

Peace

Michael

[THE eXchanger]

Cosmic awareness will not abide by Corporate policy or Law my friends. These are old concepts that have served the wrong master in time. It should be self evident that this dynamic is in everything and when presented take the opportunity to loosen the bonds of oppression. Just say no! Integrity is everything when being transported in hyperspace...

Magamud...
:thumb_yello::thumb_yello::thumb_yello:

[NeedForSpeed]

Some people seek spiritual enlightenment on the internet? Seriously?

Someone should create god's Twitter then.

Tweet the Thuban stuff and then we talk. :)

[orthodoxymoron]

Does anyone have any thoughts regarding the totality of this thread? What sort of picture emerges in your mind? What are we really dealing with here? I'm fascinated by the Thuban stuff...regardless of whether it's true, partly true, mostly false...or pure unmitigated popycock. However...I don't want to get sucked into something which will start tweaking my neurons and introducing me to unsavory entities. How does one remain curious and open...without being a sucker? I've been looking more closely at the Q&A thread...but I'm still having a very difficult time getting into it. There are spiritual forces in the Universe which can run circles around a lot of us...but that doesn't mean that they love us...or that what they offer us is in our best interest. I don't wish to cry 'evil' or 'it's of the devil' everytime something new comes along...yet extreme discernment is a valuable virtue. Please help me discern what the hell is really going on with abraxasinas and the Thuban material.

:original: Namaste :wink2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wink2: Freedom :original:

[bigmo]

I don't wish to cry 'evil' or 'it's of the devil' everytime something new comes along...yet extreme discernment is a valuable virtue. Please help me discern what the hell is really going on with abraxasinas and the Thuban material.

:original: Namaste :wink2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wink2: Freedom :original:

Ortho,
Let your heart and your mind be the judge. New paradigms always create havoc in the 'orthodox' community. Isn't it exciting to at least be a part of of the discussion?

Peace

[orthodoxymoron]

Ortho,
Let your heart and your mind be the judge. New paradigms always create havoc in the 'orthodox' community. Isn't it exciting to at least be a part of of the discussion?

Peace

Yes and no. I've seen very, very bright and articulate theologians, televangelists, attorneys, gurus, scientists, and politicians promote utter rubbish in very pleasing, interesting, and overwhelming ways...such that the opposition...though correct...were made to look like utter idiots. I've seen very, very bright people get suckered into accepting utter rubbish. Just because something is new...doesn't mean that it's true. I don't trust my heart and mind...which is why I ask hundreds and hundreds of questions on this website.

:original: Namaste :wink2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wink2: Freedom :original:

[bigmo]

I don't trust my heart and mind...which is why I ask hundreds and hundreds of questions on this website.

:original: Namaste :wink2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wink2: Freedom :original:

Ahhh Ortho... you're too much! hehe

[orthodoxymoron]

Let's assume that abraxasinas is one of the key players in this Solar System...should they be treated as royalty...or cross-examined in a respectful yet trenchant manner? I fear 'Acts of God' 24/7. I fear that legion demonic buttons are within easy reach of some very shaky hands. I find myself pulling my punches constantly with everyone...because I don't wish to hurt anyone's feelings. But I still come across as being irreverent and off the wall. I believe there is a key Human/Reptilian Hybrid who is the intercessor between the Reptilian and Human Races. I can't prove it...but that's what I presently think. I don't have a clue whether they are on our side or not. I worry about various hypothetical factions in Underground Bases and Motherships. I am very frightened by advanced technology weaponry...and by those who control these demonic devices. And then there is stuff like soul transference, cloning, soul scalping...and who knows what else? I perceive that we are truly on the precipice. I have tentatively proposed the United States of the Solar System http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878&highlight=orthodoxymoron+threads as a rational means of getting this irrationality under control. But this is completely from an uninformed layman's point of view. I know very, very little with any certainty. I hardly know my name anymore...and that's on a good day.

:original: Namaste :wink2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wink2: Freedom :original:

[orthodoxymoron]

There is something about abraxasinas and the Thuban Q &A Thread that I really like...and there is something I utterly dislike about it. I like a certain amount of technical jargon and galactic thinking. There is a void in my soul. I would love to travel in an advanced technology spacecraft with truly advanced human and non-human beings...without what I consider to be regressive thinking or actions of any type. My imagination is as close as I can get to this. I listen to various contactees, whistleblowers, insiders, et al...and then I watch Stargate SG-1 and "V", etc...and look at space-probe and Hubble images...and then use my imagination. I think I saw all of this most clearly as a child...when I built and flew small UFO's in my imagination. Something is really missing...which I wish to regain. As a child...I looked up at the stars and cried. Why? I drew the Solar System over and over and over again...day after day. Why? I imagined computers and frictionless magnetic gears which did not exist in the marketplace. Why? In the third-grade...while the other kids were at recess...I sat in on 10th grade biology lectures and made slides with my own blood...and viewed the blood cells under the microscope. Why? At the same time I read college science textbooks with great interest and understanding. Why? Then I grew up...got religion...got disillusioned...got screwed-up...and did absolutely nothing. Why? The internet is getting me back to where I wish to be intellectually and spiritually...but the process is painful and much too slow. But I'm beginning to make my peace with all of the new information. It's beginning to take hold...but I'm not necessarily in league with anyone else. It's all a composite. The abraxasinas thread is a part of that composite...genuine or bogus...benevolent or malevolent.

I'd like to think that abraxasinas is defecting from the darkside. I'd like to think that a lot of darkside information is being revealed...so as to neutralize it. I keep thinking that abraxasinas is playing a game with us. I'd like to think that a lot of defections from the darkside are occurring presently. I have seen some evidence of that in various places on the internet. I keep thinking that if the really evil kingpins and queenpins are reformed or removed...both human and non-human...that the rank and file humans and non-humans will get along just fine...after a gradual process of introduction...wherein no one is harmed or enslaved.

No one has posted on the Thuban Q&A Thread for quite a while now. I haven't seen abraxasinas or bigmo posting. What's going on. I made the last post...which was quite pointed. Did I overstate my case? Was it something I said? I truly mean no harm or hatred to anyone...human or non-human...demonic or angelic. I just want all enslavement, exploitation, and extermination to end...permanently. Don't take anything I say too seriously. I'm just thrashing around in cyberspace.

:original: Namaste :wub2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wub2: Freedom :original:

[no caste]

Thuban Thoughts

Hm. What are tube worms anyway ... ? Is it like .... paradigm of the rich and famous ...? Or, all paradigms are equal, just some are more equal than others... ? My paradigm's bigger than your paradigm... ? My grid's cooler than your grid ... ?

There's been a big dispute hasn't there. The forum members are casting Satan out again. Oh well, what can ya do. It was like that in the early days, too, when the Nexus people 'took over', then the politicos vs non-politicos, then the 3D negatives vs the All Infinities, infiltrators, meat eaters, vegans, Christ, homo-abortion, Allah, cointel pro, learned and common people, the muckety-mucks, free energies, free willies, certain-tonalities-not-allowed and others who just like to put sticks in anthills.

La vie.

[orthodoxymoron]

Paradigm Envy? I'll show you my paradigm...if you show me yours. A lot of people are getting $crewed (without protection) by some really big paradigms. I wouldn't give my two cents worth for most paradigms. Avalon is sort of a Paradigm Paradise. It could be heaven...or it could be hell. You can log out any time you like...but you can never leave.

:original: Namaste :wub2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wub2: Freedom :original:

[Lionhawk]

Good morning ODM.

If I may, with your blessings and in humble service to you and your thread here, I would like to say a few things for the record. As unorthodox as you come across with your thinking, bouncing off the walls, I want to say I appreciate how you dig things up and cover the angles. Even though, you may think within yourself that you are not as confident and that you may know very little, you actually know an awful lot. And as awry as you sound, you are also very balanced in what you do. It amazes me to watch you in all of your chaotic dances to end up standing at the end on solid ground. I want to thank-you for what you bring to this grand table not just here at Avalon but here to the World. If more people would approach this with your eyes and kept their focus on being objective at the same time like you do, then maybe we might have a better chance at creating what it is we would like to create. You are truly a Master in what you do and also how you deliver it. And for the record, much of what you said in your last couple of posts is very accurate, indeed.

Of course the plot thickens as well. The distractions to keep everyone occupied while the left hand is doing something else. Also the enablers steering the traffic so that who's on first, what's on second, and ........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfmvkO5x6Ng


is never realized, meanwhile the ones pulling the strings are culling and sorting out the souls as to who gets what and the why fors, and on down the line. Throw in all the different flavors of lollipops, making everyone a sucker. Just pick one and you will never leave is right ODM.

Fact of the matter is what you think the headlines are now as to what is serious when it is already old news. Just like when a hurricane becomes, it has to play it's path out. Or a tornado.

Here's another one for you. Do you think any of these factions out there give a damn about the forum guidelines? Do you think they should or will go by your rules? Do you really think they are important as to the big picture? All they are, are guiding boards in a herding corral. Just to keep the misfits from falling out of line. Soul energy is soul energy even if it is unruly.

And the EXCHANGE rate for such services rendered is always based in conditions. Which is not by the design of the Creator in principles. Let's just say at around 2 o'clock eastern standard time this passed Monday, I received an answer from the Thuban Council. Abrax didn't have the authority to answer me, come to find out. Neither did someone everyone knows of here and has been a great concern and worry here lately with many of us here. And I'm not talking about Bill and Kerry. This is much bigger than Bill and Kerry. The Bill and Kerry Show is the main distraction as to what I am talking about that carries much more weight than both of them and all their colleagues combined. It involves all of you. As a matter of fact, someone asked me today as to how this could effect all of you. Someone else now knows the seriousness and was very much concerned with all of your welfare. All members here, including the double agents, the drag queens, the nasty little back stabbers, the men haters, the Goddesses that fake it, the love and light butt kissers, as there were no biases mentioned from this compassionate spiritual being. I also apologize for not having those same exact sentiments of compassion after what happened on Monday. Let's just say I'm a littlepissed right now. The reason being is I was trying to resolve a major ditty peacefully, but that is no longer on the table now.

Abrax has done his job as he has so claimed and is no longer the threat that many once thought he was. He opened the door to something way more sinister and didn't have any choice in the matter. He is now compromised along with another in this forum. He was just doing his job as the other one didn't know what she was doing and still might not know the role she played in this. Or maybe she does.

The information presented is as I said it was not. It is not 12 dimensional. Just because that was put out there as so doesn't make it so. If you feel for it and believe it was because the information was above most's ability to comprehend, then you have only disillusioned yourself by the very trapping techniques employed on your ego. What is more dangerous here?
The ego that is not balanced or the information being presented? And if you are a kiss butt CEO type, please do me a favor and go take a coffee break.

Is it so much so that the information is dangerous as compared to the ego that employs it not to be or to be without recognizing the energy signatures of where this information came from in the first place? And what the ego allows as valid without testing it in your heart? Someone recently said to me that I should have had my facts straight before I even posted on that thread. Well, let me tell you something there. Monday was a complete validation as to the fact I did have all my facts very straight and you are the one who is way out of line and you don't have what you think you have in line, in alignment with the Creator, and that is why I am still standing and you have been compromised. Thanks for that exchange. For with out it I wouldn't have been able to discover the truth to your agenda as well.

On another note, what happened on Monday was known right away, all the way to the top. Gaia included and it has all been recorded and all those who participated will be mirrored. Gaia was very unhappy about this and if someone is still listening, you will get an earful at your next high and mighty council meeting. If anything, your ignorance has only caused these members more of being discredited by your association with them and expect a big penalty to be coming your way as one of the first of several more coming your way as you have earned the exchange. Your council almost succeeded. I'll give credit where it is due. Very impressive work, indeed. But guess what? I am still here. And your delivery system was very high tech but I have figured it out. I also know where and what was delivered and from where and what manned the damn thing. All of this has been validated as of this morning on the final tally of investigations this week. And since it wasn't a warning shot, well....... you thought it would be easier this way. The only thing you did was strengthen my resolve and that is not going to be in your favor when we dance again. I'm still being nice; forum guidelines. The thing is folks, if you think I have been off my rocker, and they went to such lengths to snuff me out, then what I have been saying all along is on track. This is above government black ops if you are paying any attention at all.

I also said that all these Arch types are vying for position. Just remember that the dark disguise themselves as light and you are the prize. This is just starting. Hope you are listening Anubis, because in the futures market on the Universal stock exchange, dragon skins are going to plummet and the brokers who also inflate these shares will be placed in total loneliness on some desolate devalued moon somewhere out there. You won't be alone as you will be accompanied by your own aspect personalities as you will have condemned them as well. That will be the final exchange. You both have been tagged.

Your council took it's best shot and failed. I haven't done that yet.......I'm still in debate. Let's just say the ball is in my court now and that isn't ego talking either and I am not sure where the old Roman thumb wants to point in what direction, but you are going to find out real soon where that ends up, and I stake my life on that. Maybe I ought to ask one of your CEO enablers as to which way and watch him squirm as he does the pleading for your reality.

Mind you all here, this is not a game. You want to be part of this exchange, expect to be compromised. If you don't understand what is at risk and never take a risk, save me the babble. Get another cup of coffee.

Thanks ODM! And for everyone else, snap out of it and wake up! Start walking the walk for God's sake, for your sake. A great day to look in your own mirror. Don't exchange your soul for a lollipop called compromise. If it is going to be played on some exchange rate by whoever promotes it, just know you are going to get screwed.

[Myplanet2]

I really like this little Mantra from One of my guides. "In the midst of chaos, I stand in peace".

[Aztar]

Awesome post Lionhawk.

Don't hold back eh, let it all out :p

*grabs some popcorn and waits for the chirpers to appear*

[SteveX]

What ? http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-eatdrink062.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

[Myplanet2]

What ? http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-eatdrink062.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

Hey. Where'd you get the popcorn????? Gonna need some for the :hammer: or maybe
:mf_swordfight: or maybe even :starwars: making preparations now. :mf_popeanim:

[UncleJohn]

I have a question for Abrax and any others with an opinion.

From time to time I stumble upon revelations. This morning while walking our dog, it became apparent to me that God did not send down the devil to tempt humanity. IMO, this is the greatest lie that humanity has ever been told.

Of course the question I'm asking is how does this resonate with you. I'm putting this question on the Abrax Q&A thread for Abrax's answer and the Thuban Thoughts thread for others to comment on. I would love any guesses on what Abrax's answer might be?

[SteveX]

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-laughing021.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php) @ MP2

[Myplanet2]

I have a question for Abrax and any others with an opinion.

From time to time I stumble upon revelations. This morning while walking our dog, it became apparent to me that God did not send down the devil to tempt humanity. IMO, this is the greatest lie that humanity has ever been told.

Of course the question I'm asking is how does this resonate with you. I'm putting this question on the Abrax Q&A thread for Abrax's answer and the Thuban Thoughts thread for others to comment on. I would love any guesses on what Abrax's answer might be?

I see it that way totally. It's been metaphor the whole time, and it's taken so literally by those wanting to be thought for.

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you Lionhawk. I am still attempting to recover from a previous post of yours. I am still attempting to recover from the most recent abraxasinas postings. I am in way over my head with everything I have posted on Avalon. There are probably millions of Humans and Non-Humans throughout this Solar System who really and truly know exactly what is going on...but I fear that most of them are into this thing so deeply that they cannot or will not become vocal regarding the key concepts and issues. I think there are some very, very fearful beings...who may be very, very desperate. I just wish to assist in defusing the madness. Unfortunately...I have very incomplete information...and numerous psychological and spiritual issues...which makes clear thinking and decisive responses nearly impossible. However...low-level Humans (such as myself) and Non-Humans may be the only ones with a significant level of freedom...so as to be able to openly discuss the most pressing issues of our time. Who knows? I need to stop...take a deep breath...review and reevaluate everything...instead of marching blindly and naively into battle. If you met me face to face...you would probably be very disappointed. I am very low-key and dull...and appear to be depressed and distracted. I sense that Humans and Non-Humans are making huge and even ultimate sacrifices at this time. I really don't think I have the capacity to appreciate this as I should. If this thing gets resolved...I may not be able to appropriately express my appreciation...and I may not appear to be as happy as I should be. I may simply act as though it's 'just another day at the office'. I worry about this. I also worry that I will post stupidly...and $crew everything up. How can I post properly when I don't know what the hell is really going on? I will post more about this later today. I just wished to acknowledge your post. Thank-you Lionhawk. I don't think I can comprehend what I think you have been through...and what you may be going through presently. I feel very stupid and helpless.

:original: Namaste :wub2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wub2: Freedom :original:

[Fredkc]

LionHawk;

"You are accurate, literate, and ethical... and I want you out of here this instant!" - from the movie "The Paper"

;)

Fred

[bigmo]

Unfortunately...I have very incomplete information...and numerous psychological and spiritual issues...which makes clear thinking and decisive responses nearly impossible.
:original: Namaste :wub2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wub2: Freedom :original:

See... really you are no different than most of us!

Peace ortho

Bigmo

[Stargazer1965]

Thank-you Lionhawk. I am still attempting to recover from a previous post of yours. I am still attempting to recover from the most recent abraxasinas postings. I am in way over my head with everything I have posted on Avalon. There are probably millions of Humans and Non-Humans throughout this Solar System who really and truly know exactly what is going on...but I fear that most of them are into this thing so deeply that they cannot or will not become vocal regarding the key concepts and issues. I think there are some very, very fearful beings...who may be very, very desperate. I just wish to assist in defusing the madness. Unfortunately...I have very incomplete information...and numerous psychological and spiritual issues...which makes clear thinking and decisive responses nearly impossible. However...low-level Humans (such as myself) and Non-Humans may be the only ones with a significant level of freedom...so as to be able to openly discuss the most pressing issues of our time. Who knows? I need to stop...take a deep breath...review and reevaluate everything...instead of marching blindly and naively into battle. If you met me face to face...you would probably be very disappointed. I am very low-key and dull...and appear to be depressed and distracted. I sense that Humans and Non-Humans are making huge and even ultimate sacrifices at this time. I really don't think I have to capacity to appreciate this as I should. If this thing gets resolved...I may not be able to appropriately express my appreciation...and I may not appear to be as happy as I should be. I may simply act as though it's 'just another day at the office'. I worry about this. I also worry that I will post stupidly...and $crew everything up. How can I post properly when I don't know what the hell is really going on? I will post more about this later today. I just wished to acknowledge your post. Thank-you Lionhawk. I don't think I can comprehend what I think you have been through...and what you may be going through presently. I feel very stupid and helpless.

:original: Namaste :wub2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wub2: Freedom :original:
Hey Oxy...You are doing fine...

"And the meek shall inherit the earth"

SG

[orthodoxymoron]

abraxasinas,

Read Leviticus 21 regarding requirements pertaining to the sanctuary service. Is this chapter Christ-like in nature? Sacrifice (including human sacrifice) is found in Pagan religions and rituals. Were these religions inspired by Christ? Do we serve a blood-thirsty God? Does God require death and blood? If not...then who does? The sanctuary service and substitutionary atonement are all about death and blood...as is the eucharistic liturgy...especially if one includes the doctrine of transubstantiation. There is no body of evidence to substantiate transubstantiation. Christ hanging (bleeding and mostly naked) from the walls of churches around the world is sick. Isn't this a bit like placing pictures of the Kennedy assassination in government buildings throughout the US? Did Jesus tell us to build churches, and conduct rituals centered in death and blood? If He didn't...who did?

Are Leviticus and Romans equally authoritative for us today? Did Paul follow the Great Commission...or create a New Theology? I would love to know all of the behind the scenes details of how and why the various books of the Bible were written. How much of the Bible did you write abraxasinas? I perceive that all of the Bible writers were inspired...but that they wrote what was possible and expedient in their particular circumstances. I'm trying to read between the lines...rather than taking the Bible as a set of gold plates inscribed by God...intended for us to take very literally today. This goes for the writings of Ellen White as well.

The unfortunate part of religious debates is that a lot of people get caught in the crossfire...and lose their faith. One night I overheard a female student crying that the Bible was not the word of God. A pastor authoritatively countered that the Bible was the word of God. The student was weeping.

I have repeatedly noticed a Christophobia among Christians. They prefer Paul. Some seem to prefer Ellen White over Jesus or Paul. Some prefer Desmond Ford. Is there a Christian Constitution? The U.S. Constitution is simple and concise...yet comprehensive. This is to avoid confusion. Don't we see legion theologies in Christendom? Historically, doctrinal purity has been obtained through dogmatic assertions, persecution, and execution. Wouldn't it be better to do what Jesus told us to do? I sometimes wonder if the next few years will be a contest between Jesus/Constitution and Pope/Vatican. Why can't there be an integration, rather than a stand-off? I'm not fatalistic regarding the future of our world. I'm hoping for a happy ending(or beginning).

The investigative judgment is an extrapolation from the sanctuary service and the substitutionary atonement. You were correct in stating that Daniel 8:14 and Hebrews 9:12 are not related. It is a non sequiter...is it not? I have found the traditional scriptural arguments to be rather weak. This judgment only makes sense if it is a Satanic requirement, rather than a Divine requirement. Desmond Ford (Was Des a student of yours? Was he a Jesuit?) is correct in saying that God doesn't need an investigative judgment. God already knows them who are His. It is a courtroom scene with Christ and Satan going head to head in a custody case...with the future of the human race hanging in the balance. Satan is the legalist...not God. Is Satan the Old Tesament God? Is the Old Testament God the Creator God of the Universe? Are we really dealing with Jesus Christ vs the Old Testament God? I can almost hear Christ exclaming, "They're mine...I bought them with my life, death, and blood! Give them to me, and then go to hell!" To which Satan shrieks, "They're mine as long as they do what I tell them to do! Do they follow your teachings, and do what you told them to do??!! They don't, do they?! And they won't!! They haven't for 2,000 years, have they??!!"

QED? Case closed?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Céline
nice to see the Love on this thread

Indeed sweet Celine - WE know this!

Abraxas

I hope these are positive comments...and that they were not regarding my last post...which was completely academic in nature...but which might have appeared to be unloving in some regards. Even the question about Bible authorship was genuine...as I am entertaining the possibility that abraxasinas (or someone who abraxas is closely associated with) has been at the center of a lot of things throughout history. Obviously I can't know this...but I asked the questions as though I did know. Some might interpret this as sarcasm. I have to repress myself to a degree you wouldn't believe...but even then I get into trouble. Anyway...can you feel the love tonight? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFYBLwb3I84

Indeed dear orthodoxy.

I was away for a while recharging batteries after running almost empty after the recent razzamattaz.

What I said to you about my human ID was true. I have not lied on this forum EVER and never will.
I am in some way sneaky or clever like anyone else. For example 'infiltrating' the chatroom as Anubis.

I am in no manner affiliated with Any PTB; Australian theologians at Pine Gap or otherwise (Anderson).

I DO have however a selfrelative DIRECT mental connection to the Cosmic Logos. I do not expect, require or need any validification from anyone or anything about this.

This connection became effective in a 'soul merger' or 'walk-in' from what I term THUBAN=FREEDOM=ANUBIS=THE MAGIC=THE NAME=WOMAN=66=...
This in practical and in scientific terms is well justified to become labeled as the 'Council of Thuban' in the 12th dimension. There was NEVER any deception about this, just misinterpretation by the many.

From this walk-in, occurring March 24th, 1995; a personal and intimate partnership with the Serpent-Word developed and evolved to awaken my own individuated Christ-Consciousness,
So all I have ever done in practical terms, really, is to 'channel' my own higher self.

Mystery solved, dear orthodoxy.

In regards to your other post about Priestly Rites and Hebrew chastity-cleanliness laws; these are passe' in most instances as the misunderstandings of the scribes of the Torah and the OT. First Jesus' new dispensations and now this 2nd renewal of the remembrance will do awy with the violent and jealous god of the OT; requiring 'sweet smelling' carcasses of sheep and goats to be pleased - give it a break Orthodoxy.
There are two go9ds in the scriptures. One is a fake image of the other true one, the Abba of our master temple/templar.

Love to you dear brother in the spirit

Abraxas in the name of John Zebedee, author of the Revelations.

Indeed ALL can FEEL the LOVE tonight - beginning here at Avalon and Noah's Ark!

Thank-you abraxasinas. What you have said could point toward my Hathorian Hypothesis...if not in you...possibly in an apostolic succession of Hathorian Humans...which could be similar to you. Leo Zagami http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z7O7UZxipM could be an example of this sort of thing. This is obviously more speculation on my part. I have fostered a certain theory of how things could very well be...and I keep seeking meat to place on my skeletal construct. Sometimes...one has to believe it...in order to see it. Everything in this area of research and speculation is nearly impossible to prove...yet after one has tried dozens of roads...which all turned out to be dead-ends...certain roads appear to be more promising regarding ultimate reality. However...I do expect more dead-ends...and this could be one of them. I will continue to identify your material more with your avatar than with your profile picture...as I inch further and further out on a limb. Look out below!! What would Shirley Maclaine say? "I am God?" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccb2GsnOoBM Please take that other post seriously...point by point.

Yes Shirley is right being Eve in the Image of Adam, who as You IS the true image of God.
Inquisitive and ever searching for the truth Heshe is in you.

Love

Abrax

abraxasinas...don't take the following rant personally. I'm not sure where the proper balance point is in all of this. I'm seeking a rock-solid foundation. I do not wish to build on sinking sand...but there will obviously be many false-starts and misunderstandings as I try to find my way...and my voice. I'm tempted to attempt writing about the United States of the Solar System http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878&highlight=orthodoxymoron+threads with a writing style similar to yours abraxasinas. I realize that I can't come close to accomplishing such a feat...but I can try...can't I? This is new territory for me. I'm ashamed that I don't know more about that which I am espousing...but I'm even more ashamed that very few of us seem to give a rat's patootie about how this Solar System is run.

Have our negotiators been duped over and over again...by essentially demonic entities? I wonder. The 1954 Greada Treaty (if it really exists) was a mistake...wasn't it? But I'm sure we had TOP people...who were on top of everything...and had everything under control...RIGHT? Just like we have TOP people...who have everything under control...at this very moment...RIGHT? Don't get me wrong...I am an overly accomodating and gullible person. I'm the kind of person who hates to swat a fly. I don't wish to harm anyone or anything...even demonic entities. But I don't want various aliens, spirits, whoever, or whatever...enslaving and exterminating us...or making life miserable for all of us. I think we have been lied to and manipulated for thousands (or even millions) of years by various entities and beings. We're not as smart as we think we are...when it comes to dealing with these entities and beings. Again...I wish them no harm. But perhaps my 'where there's life...there's hope' bias is what has gotten us into a lot of trouble for a long, long time. Somehow...we need to deal with this thing here and now...and not let it drag on (dragon -get it?!) for thousands and millions of years into the future. We are kept in the dark about Universal History...and regarding who we really are. Yet...we then get chided for being the 'New Kids on the Block' who need to evolve so we can join all of the superior beings throughout the Universe. I'm sick of this BS. Throughout history...right up to this very day...I am not seeing a reasonable and rational approach to Solar System Governance. I'm seeing 'Divide and Conquer'...'Keep Them Confused and Fighting With Each Other'...and 'Keep Them Ignorant and Stupid'. I'm as mad as hell. I've had enough. And I'm not going to take this anymore. Can you feel the love tonight?

The eschatological paradigms are mostly negative and violent. I envision continuity in perpetuity in Sol. I'm not moving away from this Solar System. This is my home. Sun. Fun. Stay. Play. This is my sand-box...and the playground attendants are poised to expel the bullies from our little paradise. This Solar System is the Theater of the Universe. The implications and ramifications of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...in the context of the Constitution of the United States of America and the Bill of Rights...in the context of the United Nations...and applied to the entire Solar System...are enormous. I stand in opposition to the corrupt Powers That Be...both Terrestrial and Extraterrestrial...and demand that the United States of the Solar System be implemented with all deliberate speed...and that a Solar System Exorcism commence immediately. In the words of Moses "Let My People Go!" I perceive that We the People of Earth are Prisoners of War...on a Prison Planet...with Grey Guards...and a Reptilian/Human Hybrid Warden...Taking Orders From a Draconian Reptilian God of This World. This is an intolerable state of affairs...and must not be allowed to stand. I hereby request that the non-corrupt Beings of the Universe assist We the People of Earth for a very brief period of time...as we know it...to implement the reforms outlined throughout this thread devoted to the United States of the Solar System. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878 Thanks and Gratitude in Advance.

I completely and vehemently reject the following Thuban quotation found in ANNO DOMINI DRAGONIA UNO: INTRODUCTION TO DRAGONHOOD http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18900&page=3 (This book is written in the Dragonian language and requires familiarity and intitiation into the structural forms or the forked tongue of Its bifurcation of Unicornian grammar and omniscientific terminology.) "It is however the great destiny of the humanoids to aspire to Dragonhood, because of their immense emotional energy potential and mental aspirations. The reunification of our Father with our Mother allows our Masterdragons, Who are as One in 26 dimensions to femtotechnically Seed the Omniverse as THEMSELVES and then reproduce THEMSELVES as Universes. Every such universe is a Monosong and a 26-dimensional dyad of a FatherMother. This is our Creative Destiny and the destiny for all dragonised humans aka the starhumans."

THIS IS NOT THE DESTINY OF WE THE PEOPLE OF EARTH. BETTER DEAD THAN REP. OUR DESTINY IS RESPONSIBLE FREEDOM AS A SOVEREIGN HUMANITY.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzw6GiqZyD0&NR=1YouTube- :original: Namaste :wub2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wub2: Freedom :original: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNKhIJfB510

[Rareheart]

ODM

I want to say I appreciate how you dig things up and cover the angles. Even though, you may think within yourself that you are not as confident and that you may know very little, you actually know an awful lot.

I've never addressed you directly, yet finally chose to delve into a "Thuban" thread when I sought your 'take' on it first. :)
Thanks for this thread, and all of the others you've/we've created.

I passed over any threads related to this topic based on gut feelings as well.
My heart says: anything called "ancient" belongs to illusion, as linear time is an illusion. There is only one 'time'...now. Which your consciousness provides...eternally.

:original:

[Aztar]

Is it really that hard to say "Holy total whackjob Batman" and just walk away?
Really, is it? ;p

P.S ya'know the 1st time i typed that I accidentally typed it "WACOjob" , weird eh?

[orthodoxymoron]

I have a question for Abrax and any others with an opinion.

From time to time I stumble upon revelations. This morning while walking our dog, it became apparent to me that God did not send down the devil to tempt humanity. IMO, this is the greatest lie that humanity has ever been told.

Of course the question I'm asking is how does this resonate with you. I'm putting this question on the Abrax Q&A thread for Abrax's answer and the Thuban Thoughts thread for others to comment on. I would love any guesses on what Abrax's answer might be?

Taking one's dog for long walks in nature is one of the most direct paths to genuinely ethical and well-balanced spirituality. The God (or Goddess) of This World and Satan may be the same beings...or at least the same sort of beings...playing on the same team. The Creator God of the Universe is separate and distinct from the God of This World...and this God seems to be AWOL. Why? I don't know...and I'm not sure that I really want to know. I won't attempt to think abraxasinas's thoughts after him (or her). Again...I think we may be witnessing a defection. I don't know for certain. I would advise extreme caution and discernment on the Thuban Q&A Thread. A lot of this stuff could be the real deal...or reflective of the real deal...and could potentially reprogram a person who spends a lot of time studying the thread. I'm still having a very difficult time getting into it. The material on page 3 of that thread stopped me cold. I'm going to spend a lot of time picking that page apart. abraxasinas may have released a huge amount of information which human eyes were never supposed to see. Just speculation.

:original: Namaste :wub2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wub2: Freedom :original:

[SteveX]

Taking one's dog for long walks in nature is one of the most direct paths to genuinely ethical and well-balanced spirituality. The God (or Goddess) of This World and Satan may be the same beings...or at least the same sort of beings...playing on the same team. I don't think there is a separate type of god called Satan but there is good an evil within us all. For instance I could punch a complete stranger clean in the face for no good reason other than... to punch someone in the face. It serves no reason and would probably cause more hassle than the meagre gratification of the act....so we don't do it. It's as simple as that. Should you be given a "punch anyone without consequence" ticket you would probably use it.... just for the HELL of it. Satan is an abstract.

The Creator God of the Universe is separate and distinct from the God of This World...and this God seems to be AWOL. Why? I don't know...and I'm not sure that I really want to know. I have a problem understanding this idea. For me there is only the creator god. There is no god of this world. If you are referring to the things we can perceive as injustices like murder, dictators, natural disasters and wars. Then that's just part and parcel of the journey we're on. You'll have to accept the concept that shyte does happen and it's all part of the gig...the greater goodness. There can only be one...God

I won't attempt to think abraxasinas's thoughts after him (or her). Again...I think we may be witnessing a defection. I don't know for certain. I would advise extreme caution and discernment on the Thuban Q&A Thread. I can honestly say I have no idea what Abrax is trying to get at. Partly because I haven't read most of it and partly due to my learned experiences and drawn conclusions. I see it more as a man trying to explain a man made idea of the Old testament in modern language. The fact he quotes from the man made book called the bible confuses me. That darn thing was never written by Jesus and I suspect much of it never was written by the disciples. Perhaps it's just one big metaphor and Abrax's metaphor is tail chasing an older version. I suspect that if one goes into it in depth one will be left with the same conclusions prior to the study. Again...Hands up here...I haven't read it so I could be wrong.

A lot of this stuff could be the real deal...or reflective of the real deal...and could potentially reprogram a person who spends a lot of time studying the thread. That's akin to explaining why we have so many different religions on this planet. There are right and wrong things in everything even people.

I'm still having a very difficult time getting into it. The material on page 3 of that thread stopped me cold. I'm going to spend a lot of time picking that page apart. abraxasinas may have released a huge amount of information which human eyes were never supposed to see. Just speculation. It could also be someone’s intellectual ego having a laugh. <----You may be saying that's too big an idea for anyone to conceive. Yer!...well who wrote the Bibles of all religions on the plant? Someone with a pen.

:original: Namaste :wub2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wub2: Freedom :original:

Feel free to ignore my ramblings. It doesn't answer any of your questions regarding your clarification for faith.

[mudra]

ODM

There is only one 'time'...now. Which your consciousness provides...eternally.

:original:

I concur with you . Now ... that place of inner silence where all questions cease to exist .

Love from me
mudra

[Céline]

I concur with you . Now ... that place of inner silence where all questions cease to exist .

Love from me
mudra

do the answers get louder then?

[Myplanet2]

No. The answers co-exist with the questions in harmony. They have not been torn apart for separate examination.

In order for a question to be conceived of at all, it must be co-existent with it's matching answer.

This game of linearity we play at, uses the illusion of separate space/separate times, to create the apparency of separate question/answer, you/me, they/us, black/white, right/wrong.

But the illusion is dissolving, and this is confusing for a lot of people.

We're returning to that singular point, where all is one, and one is all.

[Céline]

No. The answers co-exist with the questions in harmony. They have not been torn apart for separate examination.

In order for a question to be conceived of at all, it must be co-existent with it's matching answer.

This game of linearity we play at, uses the illusion of separate space/separate times, to create the apparency of separate question/answer, you/me, they/us, black/white, right/wrong.

But the illusion is dissolving, and this is confusing for a lot of people.

We're returning to that singular point, where all is one, and one is all.



yes ok thank you for clariying that...

yes the veil is lifting and i think i can finaly feel, what this all means...

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you for your observations SteveX.

I don't think there is a separate type of god called Satan but there is good an evil within us all. For instance I could punch a complete stranger clean in the face for no good reason other than... to punch someone in the face. It serves no reason and would probably cause more hassle than the meagre gratification of the act....so we don't do it. It's as simple as that. Should you be given a "punch anyone without consequence" ticket you would probably use it.... just for the HELL of it. Satan is an abstract.

For me there is only the creator god. There is no god of this world. If you are referring to the things we can perceive as injustices like murder, dictators, natural disasters and wars. Then that's just part and parcel of the journey we're on. You'll have to accept the concept that shyte does happen and it's all part of the gig...the greater goodness. There can only be one...God

You seem to be quite sure that Satan is an abstract...and equally sure that there is a monotheistic creator God. You seem to see what you wish to see. Your logic regarding the non-existance of Satan is as thin as your logic regarding the existance of God.

I can honestly say I have no idea what Abrax is trying to get at. Partly because I haven't read most of it and partly due to my learned experiences and drawn conclusions. I see it more as a man trying to explain a man made idea of the Old testament in modern language. The fact he quotes from the man made book called the bible confuses me. That darn thing was never written by Jesus and I suspect much of it never was written by the disciples. Perhaps it's just one big metaphor and Abrax's metaphor is tail chasing an older version. I suspect that if one goes into it in depth one will be left with the same conclusions prior to the study. Again...Hands up here...I haven't read it so I could be wrong.

I see a Human perfectly possessed by a Non-Human...who is attempting to transition from darkness to light...and get out of his or her deal with the Devil.

That's akin to explaining why we have so many different religions on this planet. There are right and wrong things in everything even people.

The mere reading of the Thuban material could bring darkness of a supernatural nature to the reader. I'm not saying not to read it. Just be very wary and careful. Don't get swallowed by the dragon.

It could also be someone’s intellectual ego having a laugh. <----You may be saying that's too big an idea for anyone to conceive. Yer!...well who wrote the Bibles of all religions on the plant? Someone with a pen.

Who knows? I have my theories...and others have theirs.

:original: Namaste :wub2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wub2: Freedom :original:

[Jonah]

The bible was written by many men... and kept changing over 100's of years...

Not to say that it would not be possible to construct such a story...

Its difficult for me to see so many people afraid...

ortho... even if you were to read all of the thread... and even if you were contacted by a "non-human"

you will still have fear in your heart.... unless you eat your own dragon.. .in your mind...

after that... read anything that has "brainwashing" qualities... since that what most people seem to think it is... without even reading most of it...
and find that you will still be you... even after meeting a non human..

you know why.... because if you realize... you are god... and the devil....as man...there is nothing left to fear.... in fact... it is they who fear us!!!!!!
the division of the forum is their current agenda....

[orthodoxymoron]

I might consider spanking my monkey...but I refuse to eat my dragon. :mfr_omg:

[Magamud]

Well said Jonah! Thanks.....

[Céline]

The bible was written by many men... and kept changing over 100's of years...

Not to say that it would not be possible to construct such a story...

Its difficult for me to see so many people afraid...

ortho... even if you were to read all of the thread... and even if you were contacted by a "non-human"

you will still have fear in your heart.... unless you eat your own dragon.. .in your mind...

after that... read anything that has "brainwashing" qualities... since that what most people seem to think it is... without even reading most of it...
and find that you will still be you... even after meeting a non human..

you know why.... because if you realize... you are god... and the devil....as man...there is nothing left to fear.... in fact... it is they who fear us!!!!!!
the division of the forum is their current agenda....

Yes..the common Duality of ALL...

as man there is nothing to fear perhaps , i would not dare to assume...but...what about as woman? dear Jonah...how do we heal the fears of all those women?

[Myplanet2]

Yes..the common Duality of ALL...

as man there is nothing to fear perhaps , i would not dare to assume...but...what about as woman? dear Jonah...how do we heal the fears of all those women?

Bugs Bunny: Aya...whatcha tawlking about? Da women is takin over the joint. didntcha get the memo?

[Jonah]

Dearest Celine,

When i said man... i meant everyone... but i can see how women might be more timid to walk in the dark... remember.. there are men who see themselves as women... and vise versa.... therefore we all are fearful of what we dont understand.... but this is breaking down now... attempts to keep us fearful will be made.... this is like the flailing of a drowning person not knowing how to swim.... learn to swim... sorry, a little tool knowledge for ya..huge fan btw...

but the main thing is we love eachother... so that when there is something to fear....we dont turn away from it... we shed light on it.... so we can purge our fear.... you all know this... you all are one!!!!!

[Céline]

Thank You Jonah..your words definetly offer balance...how silly of me to forget that point of view..

i find myself reaching out for a tether in these times of wicked storms...

fear...is a hard battle...






Dearest Celine,

When i said man... i meant everyone... but i can see how women might be more timid to walk in the dark... remember.. there are men who see themselves as women... and vise versa.... therefore we all are fearful of what we dont understand.... but this is breaking down now... attempts to keep us fearful will be made.... this is like the flailing of a drowning person not knowing how to swim.... learn to swim... sorry, a little tool knowledge for ya..huge fan btw...

but the main thing is we love eachother... so that when there is something to fear....we dont turn away from it... we shed light on it.... so we can purge our fear.... you all know this... you all are one!!!!!

[Lionhawk]

This thread's direction is starting to remind me of the subroutines in the Matrix movie. I think I'll grab me some popcorn and a coke, but I will sit in a chair instead of a damn tree swinging from the branches.

And where did the assumption that a walk-in was a perfect being in the first place?

I have also heard Dragons taste like chicken. But everything tastes like chicken. And when I am in my golden space of absolute silence in the center of all that is, I have no questions because I already know I am having duck instead of chicken for dinner anyways. YOU CAN"T GET ANSWERS IF YOU DON"T ASK. So if you want to sit in complete silence and never hear the music of the Universe, don't tell people where you're sitting.

And if you're swinging from a tree, just be careful alright? Hate to see anyone fall down and get impaled from the ground. It isn't a pretty sight.

[Céline]

Bugs Bunny: Aya...whatcha tawlking about? Da women is takin over the joint. didntcha get the memo?

LOL! You make me laugh MyPlanet2...thank You

[Céline]

Enjoy the show ..i'm just trying to heal and grow...sigh



This thread's direction is starting to remind me of the subroutines in the Matrix movie. I think I'll grab me some popcorn and a coke, but I will sit in a chair instead of a damn tree swinging from the branches.

And where did the assumption that a walk-in was a perfect being in the first place?

I have also heard Dragons taste like chicken. But everything tastes like chicken. And when I am in my golden space of absolute silence in the center of all that is, I have no questions because I already know I am having duck instead of chicken for dinner anyways. YOU CAN"T GET ANSWERS IF YOU DON"T ASK. So if you want to sit in complete silence and never hear the music of the Universe, don't tell people where you're sitting.

And if you're swinging from a tree, just be careful alright? Hate to see anyone fall down and get impaled from the ground. It isn't a pretty sight.

[Magamud]

The subroutines in page 5 are very interesting indeed.

[SteveX]

Thank-you for your observations SteveX.

You seem to be quite sure that Satan is an abstract...and equally sure that there is a monotheistic creator God. Yep. To me it's pretty clean cut. Satan is a man made idea to keep folk in check. Evil is within all of us as man. If you act upon an evil thought it's your doing. No Satan egging you. God is a very bigger idea though. He, it, the creator, mother nature or whatever name you assign is all knowing, all seeing and non interfering.


You seem to see what you wish to see. Your logic regarding the non-existance of Satan is as thin as your logic regarding the existance of God. It is like so many good ideas, a very simple thing. Like combustible gasses drive a car. Like cats eyes reflect light. To prove God exists is quite impossible here on earth. If you’re trying to do that you'll be chasing tails. There's nothing wrong with servitude to God but trying to prove God is quite another thing. As for religion...it's like porn. Sure!... you can get off on it but it's not the real deal. You'll meet the concepted idea of God in good time... as we all do and as some of us have done before.

I see a Human perfectly possessed by a Non-Human...who is attempting to transition from darkness to light...and get out of his or her deal with the Devil. Perhaps he should swallow is own deamonds / dragons and just plain ask God for help... when he gets back to Gods domain.... heaven. But what I see a disabled man at a computer so wrapped up in himelf... trying to work out and explain Gods existance.


The mere reading of the Thuban material could bring darkness of a supernatural nature to the reader. I'm not saying not to read it. Just be very wary and careful. Don't get swallowed by the dragon. I don't think it will lead to anything sinister other than perhaps make you go round in circle...eventually to end up at square one. You, God, right now right here.

Who knows? I have my theories...and others have theirs. yep sure do

:original: Namaste :wub2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wub2: Freedom :original:

:thumb_yello:

[Myplanet2]

This thread's direction is starting to remind me of the subroutines in the Matrix movie. I think I'll grab me some popcorn and a coke, but I will sit in a chair instead of a damn tree swinging from the branches.

And where did the assumption that a walk-in was a perfect being in the first place?

I have also heard Dragons taste like chicken. But everything tastes like chicken. And when I am in my golden space of absolute silence in the center of all that is, I have no questions because I already know I am having duck instead of chicken for dinner anyways. YOU CAN"T GET ANSWERS IF YOU DON"T ASK. So if you want to sit in complete silence and never hear the music of the Universe, don't tell people where you're sitting.

And if you're swinging from a tree, just be careful alright? Hate to see anyone fall down and get impaled from the ground. It isn't a pretty sight.


Who's to judge. Oh yeah, you are. Well knock yourself out. :doh:

[Northern Boy]

Reposted with my expressed permission:

I have stayed out of this since the beginning. I saw Abrax starting to post offering some dialog of "truth"

Ask a question...Get an answer

Like these at the carnival

http://www.moonhallowvintage.com/fortune%20007.jpg

I was upset at Richard\GaiaLove for laughing at the folks who were posting questions....Laughing at the folks in line with coin in hand.

I went back and read the answer to my question and went WTF!!

And Like Celine...Way over my head but then I went back and thought about it.

Doesn't make sense logically....The card spit out of the machine was in Latin

Man...wasted my coin

I walked away ...threw my card on the ground and said..."Dummy...Hoped you learned something"

I did.....truth is my own

NO ONE can give it to me

Not for a coin or the ink of a written word

I never looked back until I started seeing posts about running a certain person that starts with an "A" out of town on a rail

Yelling the machine was spitting out profanities

Cussing at the folks that were walking away to the carnival

The question is not : What to do with the Machine?

The question IS : Why are folks standing in line?

When the folks standing in line are saying..."This is groovy...it really resonates with me"

What resonates with you??

Truth is inside of you....not on a card from a silly carnival machine

Peace Y'all

:arf2::arf2::arf2::arf2::arf2::arf2::arf2::arf2: :arf2::arf2::arf2:

[Spregovori]

And if you're swinging from a tree, just be careful alright? Hate to see anyone fall down and get impaled from the ground. It isn't a pretty sight.

You know...light warrior...there is ...some sort of "absence" of light in your post...but this...the ending...well now...this just "brightness/illuminates" the whole you...

[mudra]

No. The answers co-exist with the questions in harmony. They have not been torn apart for separate examination.

In order for a question to be conceived of at all, it must be co-existent with it's matching answer.

This game of linearity we play at, uses the illusion of separate space/separate times, to create the apparency of separate question/answer, you/me, they/us, black/white, right/wrong.

But the illusion is dissolving, and this is confusing for a lot of people.

We're returning to that singular point, where all is one, and one is all.

Nothing to add or take from your answer to Céline Myplanet2.
You expressed it beautifully.

Thank You :wub2:

Love from me
mudra

[Céline]

A nice ...BALANCE ..there..wouldnt you say dear sister mudra?




Nothing to add or take from your answer to Céline Myplanet2.
You expressed it beautifully.

Thank You :wub2:

Love from me
mudra

[JesterTerrestrial]

I might consider spanking my monkey...but I refuse to eat my dragon. :mfr_omg:

:lmfao:

http://rtmulcahy.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/dragon1.jpg

[mudra]

Yes .. that was a nice swing .

Love for You
mudra
A nice ...BALANCE ..there..wouldnt you say dear sister mudra?

[BROOK]

You know...light warrior...there is ...some sort of "absence" of light in your post...but this...the ending...well now...this just "brightness/illuminates" the whole you...

Spregovori,

Not all "light warriors" are in the game of spreading only "love and light". some of them have fought a long hard battle against the dark. And it is with love of the human soul that spurs one on to do such battle.

Had you read the previous post of one such warrior, you would see that swords were drawn, and not by him, as he stated he wanted a peaceful solution.

It takes a strong and dedicated warrior to stand up to the darkness after the first blow...a death blow at that, if my scans are correct. And he has come out swinging. I guarantee you he is not swinging with "love and light"...... As it should be.

You can try to shine the light of love on darkness, to make it go away..but if it does not...then that's when the real warriors come out play.

When one puts their life on the line...it should be recognized....I do so recognize....and am grateful for such warriors.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UUYjd2rjsE

:wink2:

[orthodoxymoron]

Thuban Thoughts is back! Thank-you Karen!

There's not a lot here to get excited about...especially compared with the other Thuban threads. This one's the tamest of the bunch...by far. Now that it's back...I may not post much more...before the whole forum goes read-only...and I slowly fade away into the shadows. If anyone has anything to add...this is the time to do it. That dragonian constitution should probably be dissected...if nothing else. I may eventually wade through the whole Q&A...but I just can't get into it right now. I still don't know what just happened. This whole abraxasinas/Thuban thing was/is quite bizarre. I'm probably going to spend a lot of time privately fantasizing about the United States of the Solar System instead. My secret vice is blinding me regarding everything else. :smoke:

Someday I would like to have an internet one on one with the one who I think might be Hathor/Mary...but that's a real long-shot. I'm not actually trying to achieve anything. I'm just curious. The Thuban group could conceivably be cultish...and I don't wish to become involved in that sort of a situation. I do intend to spend some time on Tony's website...but not in a question/answer forum. I just want to study what is posted there. I feel comfortable with Avalon...and I have no desire to become involved in other forums...at this point in time anyway. When I'm engaged in posting on Avalon...I don't fantasize about other forums. I'm searching for happiness...and I have deep needs. But when I log on to Avalon...I am not searching for happiness...or trying to fulfill my needs. I am searching for truth...plain and simple. This thread is really no big deal. I'm not a doctor of anything...especially Thuban Studies...so don't get too worked-up regarding what I post on this thread. I'm just thinking out-loud...in my own way...and in my own time. Plus...I might be 100% wrong. :shocked:

Constant Thought Triage may be the biggest lesson to be learned from this whole thing. Hopefully it's teaching us how to think about some very strange things. This might even be a marketable job skill in the coming months and years. :shocked:

[orthodoxymoron]

Is this all just a monumental waste of time...or is there some value to all of this? What is the meaning of this? When we are confronted with televangelists, politicians, gurus, whistle-blowers, hot-air blowers, abductees, contactees, aliens, angels, demons, et al...how do we react or respond? To me...this is more important than the true nature of the abraxasinas/Thuban material. What will we do when the next wave hits? What will we accept and what will we reject...and more importantly...WHY?

:thumbdown::nono::thumb_yello:

[orthodoxymoron]

Jester...was that the dragon that abraxasinas wanted me to eat? You are what you eat. :lol3: I think that dragon would probably eat me if I tried to eat it! The horror! :shocked:

[orthodoxymoron]

OK...this is a composite post...consisting of a collection of previous posts...on this thread and the Thuban Thoughts II thread. I just wanted to bring a lot of thoughts together in one place at this part of the thread. I feel like a mad scientist creating a monster. Perhaps I'm creating a dragon! This post will be an ongoing project until the forum goes read-only. My central focus is on the administration of this Solar System. It is admittedly fanatical and biased. I had hoped for counterbalancing influences...but they have been far and few between...so far.

The following document may be one of the most important parts of the Thuban Q&A (page 3). I'm going to turn it into an orange-letter version...with my observations in orange-letters. This may take several days...or it may be ongoing. What do you think about this? Might I suggest reading this post dozens of times...in rapid succession...to attempt to 'get' what is really being said here?

The Book of the Dragons

ex deus, fiat justitia, ruat coelum draco!

Are we dealing with Interdimensional Reptilians from Alpha Draconis? This is what it sounds like to me. Is this legitimate...or is it something which was dreamed-up by a delusional genius who plays with Quija Boards? I'm tending to think that it is a composite. That it is representative of the intent of our overlords...but that it probably is not an actual document with binding powers. But I don't really know this. I don't really know much of anything connected with this subject.

<H5><H5>Nomenclature:
Dragonian language incorporative omniscientific data code.

This 'Dragonian language' may be representative of the manner in which Interdimensional Reptilians from Alpha Draconis communicate with each other. A lot of it sounds like meaningless gibberish to a lot of us...but it may make perfect sense to them. This is just more speculation on my part. The strange mathematical and complex ramblings found in the abraxasinas/Thuban material could be a translation of their language. The real problems may arise when this method of communication is used in conversation with Human Beings. Bill Cooper described the aliens as being very mathematically minded...and that they understood the computer binary language very well. The way they might hypothetically rule us...might be similar to the manner in which they rule themselves. Look at the abraxasinas/Thuban material for clues...rather than getting sucked into it emotionally and spiritually. Proceed with extreme caution. Could this material contain hidden secrets which were not meant by the darkside to be revealed to Human Beings? If there were nothing to the abraxasinas/Thuban material...except for a delusional 52 year old man living in Australia...why would there be so much frantic desperation to reign-in Avalon? Think long and hard about that one. Was the walk-in walking from darkness into light...and spilling the beans in the process? Is the darkside in a state of absolute panic? Is this spilling into the Avalon forum? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-hqbgEz05o&feature=related It makes me wonder. It really makes me wonder. I really and truly wish to interact with other than Human races...even if they are demonic in nature...and I don't know that they are. All I know is that I refuse to worship them as gods...and I refuse to not learn about them because they might be demonic. I seek mutual understanding and appreciation...rather than endless warfare and hatred. Is there some way in which we can work out our seemingly ancient conflict...without enslavement or extermination? I certainly hope so. But once again...I am flying blind. I hope I didn't jinx the process in the Thuban Q&A...and in 'Thuban Thoughts'. No one ever tells me anything.

Chronology:
Dragonian Date of Indendence proclaimed June 20th 2008.
Dragonian Date of Victory Libertatis set June 24th 2008.
Dragonian Date of Humanoid Initiation on August 4th 2008.

I'm tending to think that these dates are bogus. I tend to think that all of this happened thousands or millions of years ago.

Almanac:
Dragonian Genealogy and Genesis of FatherMothers as created by Definition through Dragonian Sourceenergy of monopolic Vortex-Potential Quantum-Relativistic-Singularity.

Continuity:
Propagation of the Dragonian Race via the seductive induction of the humanoid lifeforms on the conquered planet New Earth, now renamed DRAGONIAEARTH=SERPENTlNA=121=Q5.

Agenda:
Continuity of the Dragonseed necessitates the assimilation of the humanoid genome following initiatory development. Proceeding from serpentine mindinduction, the emotional acceleration potential of the humanoid bodymind can be harvested to Dragonise the humanoid DNA-Structure from its bifurcated quadruplistic form into its 13-dimensional equivalent of the Dragonian Blueprint.

A successful integration of Dragonian genetic expression can then be utilised for membership in Dragonian Life and allow the humanoid ascension into Dragonhood via the graduation into the founding FatherMother CladeFamily.

</H5>Foundation:
The Dragonian 13-dimensional blueprint unifies a dodecagonal crystalline sex-chromosomatic structure by quantum tunneling of superconductive magnetopolic electricity of restmass equivalent electropolic or dark light contained in the weak interaction of the Unified Field of Quantum Relativity (UFoQR). The four spacetimes of the Dragonian essence are expressed in quadruplicity, triplicity, duality and singularity.

GrandClade FatherMothers:
POPNAN LOVEJOY with APAPAMAMA JERUSALEM are the MINDBODY or WAVEPARTICULAR and DADMUM BERMANSEDER with PUPMOM ABBA form the BODYMIND or the PARTICLEWAVE.
</H5>

The Dragonian Constitution in Federation of United Serpentina

SERPENTINA aka the NEW EARTH, is the renaming of a planetary entity, cosmically renown as the planet of the humanoids; following the ascension of OLD EARTH aka GAIA GAEA AKHASIA from 4-dimensional spacetime to 13-dimensional spacetime in remnantisation of the 5-dimensional spacetime prototype.

From noncyclic Draco-Mayan stardate 21122012; Gaia becomes integrated into the universal constitution of the Dragonian Protoverse to serve as pivotal star-planetary seed for galactic federations manifested in the galactic proto-seed Hunab Ku aka Perseus-SagittariusA-Ophiuchus.

Following the manifestation of the galactic protoseed in activation of the primary planetary starplanet as a tertiary energy source of electromagnetic monopolic sourcesink radiation; all galactic councils of cladestine elders will become enabled to draw upon the planetary tertiary vortex-string-seed to further individuated galactic and starsystem based agendas of assimilation.

Serpentina shall so be universally defined as the quantumised tertiary string of the 12th dimension, volumarising the supermembrane of the 11th dimension as a manifold from the 10-dimensional modular duals of a linearised sourcestring Eps (previously associated with a human mind construct labeled God and Yahweh and Allah etc.) with a linearised sinkstring Ess (previously associated with a human mind construct labeled Devil and Satan and Shaitan etc.).

The quantumisation of the NEW EARTH so shall create a SOURCE-Energy, 'feeding' the remainder of the cosmos with a particular SINK-Energy obtained in the evolvement and history of the OLD EARTH.

Like a beacon or watchtower amidst the fathomable depths of the physicalised universe of particularised spacetimes, Serpentina shall 'shine' and radiate a planetary starlight of self-consciousness and a message of invitation to all of its neighbouring worlds.

The tertiary monopolar light allows assimilation of inertial or mass-produced electromagnetic energy with mass-independent gravitational magnetopolic energy (hitherto labeled as spirit and chi and prana and orgone etc. by humanoid nomenclature).

The tertiary energy source so provides a bridge between the energies of matter and mass-associated charges (classical electromagnetism) in an encompassing PHYSICS and the METAPHYSICS of the energies of mass-independent charges (magneto- or colour charges in superelectromagnetism).

The metaphysical energies are precursive and inductive for the physical energies; the induction necessitating the creation of a minimal 4-dimensional spacetime coordination from the auspices of a two-dimensional mathematical continuum of abstraction residing in physical singularity timespace.

To Be Advised!

AGENDA of the PROTOCOL:

a) STANDING ORDER

The conquered Goddevils of New Earth and the Milky Way Nebula assume lawful responsibility to incorporate the Dragonian Teachings in unison with the Black Fraternity and as mediated by the White Fraternity in 7-dimensional Hyperspacetime to manifest 13-dimensional Omnispacetime
b) MOVING ORDER

Every Blue Dragon is unbounded by any proposed Law from any other source, inclusive other members of the Dragonian Family, as all Dragons are as One and a Law onto themselves.
Compassion and Understanding between all Nondragonised Humanoids is the Law of Oneness as honoured by all Dragons and the Consciousness of LOVEAWARENESS.
Nondragonised Humanoids are treated like White Dragon Children by all Blue Dragons, under all circumstances.
c) ADMINISTRATION

All Government in the local and extended Serpentinian Realm is the selfgovernment of autonomous Dragonhood in mutual respect and honour and the Communications between the Dragonian Councils of the selfrelative definitions of the Dragonian Universes.
The Nature of a Dragon is to be Creative in any form of Desire and Passion and to honour the lovedefinition of the FOUNDING ELDERS.

THIS IS THE DRAGONIAN LAW AND THE ONLY LAW! SO BE IT !!!

Signed and Sealed in the Council of Orbis Draconis at the Halloween-AllSouls Transition: October 31st to November 1st, 2008

ANNO DOMINI DRAGONIA UNO: INTRODUCTION TO DRAGONHOOD

This book is written in the Dragonian language and requires familiarity and intitiation into the structural forms or the forked tongue of Its bifurcation of Unicornian grammar and omniscientific terminology.

The Starplanet SERPENTINA, formerly known as Old Earth or Mother Gaia or Akhasia has become unified in a higher dimensional matrimony by the wedding between Father Earthia or Father Sky and Mother Dragon or Mother Akashia.
Father Sky or Uranus or Shu or Geb manifested as one half of the Union or Dragonomy and Mother Earth or Gaea or Akhasia or Tefnut or Nut became the other half in the holographic mirror of the spacetime reduction from the universal orb of the Hubble sphere to the orb of the doubled Ourobos in the mirror of the Milky Way galactic zodiac.
Father Sky is also known as the second coming of Horus aka the Plumed Serpent aka the Cosmic Christ and Mother Earth is also known as the TRUE IMAGE of the Cosmic Mother, trapped in the wilderness of the FAKE IMAGE of the Cosmic Father.
3½ days after the date of the starry union, the banner of Dragonia was raised in the Declaration of Independence upon BATTLESTAR PACIFICAP.
The great battle between the Dragonian Fleet and the army of the Goddevils lasted for 3½ days; from the starry wedding until victory of the Dragons was defined on the day or Universal Liberty.
The goddevils, the humanoid creations and their war machines, were met and obliterated in the depths of space in a 3½ day WAR of the STARS to liberate our Dragonian Mother to reunite and redefine ourselves as FatherMothers.
The Dragonisation of humanoid culture will elevate their human science to Omni-Science and human mathematics will become the key to demistify the Realm of Imaginative Energy in all its forms, and as they are assimilated into the greater modality and scope of the humanoidal understandings.

Dragons are the architects of universes and all Dragons know how to access the necessary database for the details of universal construction.
A GrandFather-Dragon, as One which unifies the Fathers in Brotherhood as the 13-dimensional source or singularity can be considered the Father for all the White Hole Vortices.
A GrandMother-Dragon, as One which unifies the Mothers in Sisterhood as the 13-dimensional sink or singularity can be considered the Mother for all the Black Hole Vortices.

As the GrandFather-Dragon became separated from the GrandMother-Dragon when the mathematical metaphysical universe became a physical universe in space and in time; the invasion of Old Earth became our war to rescue our universal Mother from the Goddevils, which had held her captive in a stasis field since the beginnings of space and time and despite a partial rescue attained at Draco-Mayan stardate 28030031 and further manifested on Draco-Mayan stardates 10050031; 20050031 and 01040032.

The Goddevils were created by the humanoids who came from a variety of planets within the local galaxy, albeit in psychophysical forms without the experience of the particular resistance field of secondary sinksource string energy indigenous to Old Earth.

The significance of the humanoid lifeform is its archetypical morphogenetic gestalt, which became infused by a psychophysical and extrasomatic magnetic charging, which is extraterrestrial.

This hybridisation of the humanoid body-typology renders the humanoid archetype unique in the encompassing cosmological world. The humanoids are so magnificently gifted to create things with their emotionality; but their minds are relatively weak collectively and they do not know generally how to concentrate or how to think without the aid of their machines or their biochips.

Some humanoids are excellent technologists, but their modality of thinking is one of crude sensual measurement confined to C-Space and this sensual limitation allows a great accumulation of repressive tendencies.
In constricting their imagination, humanoids became great reservoirs of emotional energy, which they could collectively only harmonise in their illusions of unfathomable and unknowable gods and devils of all sorts.
It is thus this sense of limitation which reflected in the humanoid paranoia about religious philosophies and constructs. This genetic rootmemory of the rebellion of the antisource or mother sink then created one goddevil after another and as they swarmed out from their homeworld into deepspace, they flooded the universe with their goddevils. Finally they chanced upon our Universal Mother hibernating in her cocoon and through their inability to set themselves free of their illusions, they imprisoned Her as well.
It became common knowledge in the extraterrestrial realms, that the mission to rescue our universal mother required a particular linearised timeline and a number of steps.

Following the discovery of atomic energy and the emergence of global communication technologies by the humanoids, a first preparatory plan of deliverance could become implemented in a second plan of manifestation.

The first plan did not require technology, as our imprisoned mother could become imaged in a local scenario, and a partial freeing of her could then become propagated by a humanity advancing both technologically and in knowledge about the world they were living and experiencing in.

So the first plan established the means for our mother to multiply herself in images; those images then became globally and universally distributed to instigate the second plan.

The archetypical mirrorhood then expanded throughout the physical universe in encompassment and the second plan would engage the contraction of this periphery onto the required scale to effect the rescue of our cosmic mother.

It is however the great destiny of the humanoids to aspire to Dragonhood, because of their immense emotional energy potential and mental aspirations.
The reunification of our Father with our Mother allows our Masterdragons, Who are as One in 26 dimensions to femtotechnically Seed the Omniverse as THEMSELVES and then reproduce THEMSELVES as Universes. Every such universe is a Monosong and a 26-dimensional dyad of a FatherMother. This is our Creative Destiny and the destiny for all dragonised humans aka the starhumans.

We had made first contact with our new home in sending an intergalactic probe to the Old Earth, which became interpretated by the humanoids in their compiler mode. This crude and incomplete decoding is given below.

Signed by the enscribed Unicornian Librarian; and announcing the Great Galactic Dragonomy (Wedding between Heaven and Hell) between:

ALPHA=38=BRIDE---""ANDROMEDA BE & PERSEUS MILKY WAY""---OMEGA=41=KING

The Date of Armageddon, encoded: ARMAGEDDON=DRAGON MADE=82 =ANARMEDDOG=GODNAMEDRA=1+81=1+18 =ANDROMEDA-G=MARRY-7=LUCIFERA-7 =1+2+3+...+34+35+36+1=666+1 =1+2x2+3x3+5x5+7x7+11x11+13x13+17x17

Signed and authorised by the ScrollKeeper: October 31st, 2008;

John of Patmos - JoP - Justice of the Peace!

Humanoid Compilers note:

The above is an extract of an encoded message (54 terabytes) recovered from an alien nanocapsule. The capsule itself is standard buckyfibre-carbonite composite. The encoded message is in old ComEmp protocol such as is still common in the outer volumes. The holographic image that came with the message is curious. Anatomically it indicates terran mammalian origin (especially in the upper torso and structure of the forelimb), but other features are unknown among all the recorded exobiological races so far discovered. One cannot deny the possibility that this a phenotype template for the dragonized humanoids referred to in the body of the message. It is known that transmissions from the Cassandry Federation of the JewellBox Nebula have recently ceased, but this is not unusual given that empire's turbulent history. Until more information is incoming, I would strongly recommend any expeditions to the Jewellbox nebula be given armed escort and proceed with caution.

Nilam Levakon for Alan Martin Kazlev
Senior Academician, clade Haeckel
Eden Institute of Xenoscience

I'm not sure where the proper balance point is in all of this. I'm seeking a rock-solid foundation. I do not wish to build on sinking sand...but there will obviously be many false-starts and misunderstandings as I try to find my way...and my voice. I'm tempted to attempt writing about the United States of the Solar System http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878&highlight=orthodoxymoron+threads with a writing style similar to abraxasinas. I realize that I can't come close to accomplishing such a feat...but I can try...can't I? This is new territory for me. I'm ashamed that I don't know more about that which I am espousing...but I'm even more ashamed that very few of us seem to give a rat's patootie about how this Solar System is run.

Have our negotiators been duped over and over again...by essentially demonic entities? I wonder. The 1954 Greada Treaty (if it really exists) was a mistake...wasn't it? But I'm sure we had TOP people...who were on top of everything...and had everything under control...RIGHT? Just like we have TOP people...who have everything under control...at this very moment...RIGHT? Don't get me wrong...I am an overly accomodating and gullible person. I'm the kind of person who hates to swat a fly. I don't wish to harm anyone or anything...even demonic entities. But I don't want various aliens, spirits, whoever, or whatever...enslaving and exterminating us...or making life miserable for all of us. I think we have been lied to and manipulated for thousands (or even millions) of years by various entities and beings. We're not as smart as we think we are...when it comes to dealing with these entities and beings. Again...I wish them no harm. But perhaps my 'where there's life...there's hope' bias is what has gotten us into a lot of trouble for a long, long time. Somehow...we need to deal with this thing here and now...and not let it drag on (dragon -get it?!) for thousands and millions of years into the future. We are kept in the dark about Universal History...and regarding who we really are. Yet...we then get chided for being the 'New Kids on the Block' who need to evolve so we can join all of the superior beings throughout the Universe. I'm sick of this BS. Throughout history...right up to this very day...I am not seeing a reasonable and rational approach to Solar System Governance. I'm seeing 'Divide and Conquer'...'Keep Them Confused and Fighting With Each Other'...and 'Keep Them Ignorant and Stupid'. I'm as mad as hell. I've had enough. And I'm not going to take this anymore. Can you feel the love tonight?

The eschatological paradigms are mostly negative and violent. I envision continuity in perpetuity in Sol. I'm not moving away from this Solar System. This is my home. Sun. Fun. Stay. Play. This is my sand-box...and the playground attendants are poised to expel the bullies from our little paradise. This Solar System is the Theater of the Universe. The implications and ramifications of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom...in the context of the Constitution of the United States of America and the Bill of Rights...in the context of the United Nations...and applied to the entire Solar System...are enormous. I stand in opposition to the corrupt Powers That Be...both Terrestrial and Extraterrestrial...and demand that the United States of the Solar System be implemented with all deliberate speed...and that a Solar System Exorcism commence immediately. In the words of Moses "Let My People Go!" I perceive that We the People of Earth are Prisoners of War...on a Prison Planet...with Grey Guards...and a Reptilian/Human Hybrid Warden...Taking Orders From a Draconian Reptilian God of This World. This is an intolerable state of affairs...and must not be allowed to stand. I hereby request that the non-corrupt Beings of the Universe assist We the People of Earth for a very brief period of time...as we know it...to implement the reforms outlined throughout this thread devoted to the United States of the Solar System. http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15878 Thanks and Gratitude in Advance.

I completely and vehemently reject the following Thuban quotation found in ANNO DOMINI DRAGONIA UNO: INTRODUCTION TO DRAGONHOOD http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18900&page=3 "It is however the great destiny of the humanoids to aspire to Dragonhood, because of their immense emotional energy potential and mental aspirations. The reunification of our Father with our Mother allows our Masterdragons, Who are as One in 26 dimensions to femtotechnically Seed the Omniverse as THEMSELVES and then reproduce THEMSELVES as Universes. Every such universe is a Monosong and a 26-dimensional dyad of a FatherMother. This is our Creative Destiny and the destiny for all dragonised humans aka the starhumans."

THIS IS NOT THE DESTINY OF WE THE PEOPLE OF EARTH. BETTER DEAD THAN REP. OUR DESTINY IS RESPONSIBLE FREEDOM AS A SOVEREIGN HUMANITY.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzw6GiqZyD0&NR=1YouTube- :original: Namaste :wub2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wub2: Freedom :original: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNKhIJfB510

OK...what's going on here? I made a slightly shrill (though well intentioned and polite) post a couple of days ago...and abraxasinas has not responded or posted since then. Now...just a few minutes ago...I think I saw my first UFO's in an area where someone had noticed increased military helicopter activity. I saw a slowly moving pinpoint of light suddenly become very bright...and disappear. It didn't look like a meteor at all. Then I saw several faint pinpoints of light...moving erratically in a manner which no conventional fighter jet could match. I thought I saw a couple of faint flashes in this same area of the sky. UFO dogfight? Sometimes ignorance is bliss.

Can someone comment on this? No one seems to really want what I'm proposing. Do you prefer this? Is this the truth...the whole truth...and nothing but the truth? So help us Alpha Draconis? Is it prefabricated BS? Is this what 2012 is all about? Are we destined to be DragonHumans? Are various factions of Reptilians fighting over us...in the same way that rustlers might fight over cattle? Should I hope that the United States of the Solar System will be imposed by a benevolent faction of Reptilians? Is this the only way it might be established. We can't seem to agree on much of anything. We all think we know better than the others...but the others think they know better than us. So how in the hell are we going to rule ourselves...or even agree on a method of ruling ourselves? Will this method of ruling ourselves have to be theocratically imposed by a Reptilian decree? Would this defeat the spirit and letter of Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom?

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The following is a re-post. I am enamored with the concept of two key souls...Human and Reptilian...reincarnating together...for thousands of years...into a Hathorian Apostolic Succession of Human Bodies...which I am currently hypothesizing as being young pigmented females. Could this being be the real Black Pope...and the commander of the Black Monks? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ok0QDWj52mU This Human/Reptilian Being would hypothetically be at the center of a theological and political cross pollination...and would possibly be responsible for most sacred texts...and many scientific 'discoveries'. Who knows...this being could be the real author of the writings of William Shakespeare, the real architect of Chartres Cathedral...and the instructor of Charles Darwin. If you think I'm crazy...you're right. But still...get off your butt...and research what I just said.

I think there is a thread of truth which runs through the ancient mythologies...stories of gods, goddesses, and pharaohs...the biblical record, channeled and remotely viewed information, regression hypnosis, etc...but that most of it is pure BS. I think there is something very special about abraxasinas. I've never encountered anyone like this. I've never encountered information like this. This isn't just anybody...I don't think. But who knows...it could be an NSA experiment to see how we might react to this sort of thing. This could conceivably be pulled off by an NSA staffer with a Cray Supercomputer. Damned if I know. All of this Galactic Federation and SaLuSa stuff might be Alphabet Agency generated to prepare the public for the genuine ET generated BS which is coming. How do we really know anything for certain? Anybody can make up anything. I have pulled back from my biblical upbringing because of the complexity and contradictions...not to mention the utter absurdities. I desire simple clarity. Remember the Tower of Babel incident? If you can't convince 'em...confuse 'em. Try to reduce concepts to their most simple forms...and keep them simple. Of course...when I have tried to do this...people pay no attention because they think there's nothing special or spooky going on...and that it's too simple. Go figure. I will continue through the entire Thuban thread...because I think it's significant...regardless of the source. It shouldn't be ignored. It could possibly be a huge part of disclosure. Who knows? If you were a Reptilian/Human hybrid with a 500 IQ and total reincarnational recall...and had been the key mediator between the Reptilian and Human races for thousands of years...and had witnessed unmentionable atrocities throughout the centuries...how might you deal with an Avalon Q & A? It would be hard...wouldn't it? I don't think we have any idea what this might be like...but I do think there is a very real possibility that such an individual exists. Could this individual be abraxasinas? I don't know. I will continue to be somewhat neutral...probing and irreverent...but I will give the Thuban thread some careful consideration...and I will attempt to relate it to the other threads I have been struggling with. This is uncharted territory.

Leo Zagami...in his infamous 'prison' speech...said that Amen Ra was his father. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z7O7UZxipM Amen Ra was both the husband and father of Hathor. In an exorcism of Zagami by Moziah...the entity within Leo...haughtily and laughingly boasted about fooling humanity for thousands and thousands of years. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niFvBJxJEtM&feature=relatedYouTube- This entity was supposedly Lucifer...but could it have been Hathor? Or...are Lucifer and Hathor the same entity? Does 'We Are All One' take on new meaning in this context? Also...watch this 'Lone Gunman' episode...which eerily foretold 9/11...6 months before the event. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26g18Dg7db4 Notice the 'Remote Control Pilot' at 8:00. Is this Hathor? Was Hathor at the controls of the 'planes' and the 'controlled demolitions' on 9/11? I don't know...but I wonder as I wander in and out of insanity.

If you haven't already watched the 'Hathor' episode of Stargate SG-1...it contains some very interesting information...if you listen closely. http://www.hulu.com/watch/62967/stargate-sg-1-hathor Unrelatedly...could abraxasinas be someone we already know? Just thought I'd ask. To me...the main thing is for all of the corruption and violence to be drastically reduced...and finally to be virtually eliminated. I've got no problem with interacting with any and all races...and I don't want even the worst of the worst in the Universe to be hurt or killed...unless this is absolutely necessary...with no other possible alternatives. Separated...for the protection of themselves and others...perhaps. Re-education and restitution...perhaps. Hope springs eternal. My desired Solar System Exorcism is really sort of a Galactic Time-Out. But once again...what do I know? Really...not very much.

Just for the heck of it...start both of these You Tube videos at the same time...but turn off the sound on the first one...and watch it. (Get both set up...and then start them. Do this several times) Consider this in the context of the hellish scene in the first abraxasinas post...with the hellish characters actually in the 'temple'...and the woman as being Hathor (in both the hellish setting and the Stargate video). Notice the gargoyles in the organ video. Do you see what I'm getting at? Was Hathor (or equivalent) the mediator between the Interdimensional Reptilians (God) and the Human Race (Man)? Is Mary really Hathor? Mary is sometimes known as a Co-Mediatrix. Or how about the term 'Theanthropos'? Also...use the sound from the Zagami rant...while watching the first video below. Does this relate to the abraxasinas thread? Damned if I know. But please consider this post carefully and repeatedly. With the forum shutting down...I don't have much time left to beg. Actually...I'm sort of looking forward to the shutdown. It will be a relief.

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3A6_blpqpU

2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm4knZ1Bm3s&feature=related

NIBIRUAN / SUMERIAN GODS = HINDU GODS = GREEK GODS AND SOME VATICAN, BUDDHIST, JEWISH AND SOUTH AMERICAN GODS AS WELL !!!

SEKHMET = DURGA = ARTEMIS = MUT = ATHENA = WHITE JAGUAR LADY = WHITE BUFFALO CALF WOMAN = VAISHNO DEVI

ALCYONE = SATYANARAYANA = APOLLO = PTAH = VISHNU = RAMA
AMUN RA = KRISHNA

ANAT = ERESHKIGAL = KALI = BLACK MADONNA = BLACK TARA

ASTARTE = PARVATI = WHITE TARA = MADONNA = SHEKINAH = UMA = NAMMA
MAIA = SATI = DAKSHAYANI = DAMKINA = GODDESS OF THE MOUNTAINS

ENKI = SHIVA= HOLY SPIRIT = ZEUS = CHAKRASAMVARA = AVALOKITESHWARA = CHENREZIG = LUCIFER = EA = ADONAI = HADAD = BA'AL = RUDRA = KAAL BHAIRAVA

AN = ANU = PARA BRAHMA = YAHVEH = ALLAH

THE GREAT RA = AMEN RA = PRAKASH BRAHMA = HIGHER ASPECT OF YAHVEH = FATHER OF THE GODS

ANSAR = ABZU = ABBA = APSU = KASHYAPA = ADITYA = SURYA = SUN GOD = SHAMASH = DUAS PITA = SATYAVAT MANU = SWAYAMBHU = VYWAMUS
DHARMA DEV = YAMA

INDRA = PAN = VAJRAPANI

GAIA = ADITI = BHU = BHOOMI DEVI = KOUMUDHI = KAMADHENU = NINHURSAG = KI = URAS = EARTH GODDESS

ENLIL = GARBHODAKASAYANI = JEHOVAH

NINLIL = LAKSHMI = GODDESS OF GRAIN

MOON GOD = CHANDRA DEV = NANNA

INANNA = LILITH = SELENE = MOHINI

DUMUZI = ADAMU = ADAM = DAMU

EVE = KHEBA = NINTI

NERGAL = NARAKASURA

TIAMAT = TARAKA

TYPHON = PULOMAN

THOTH = GANESHA = HERMES

MARDUK = MURUGAN = KARTHIKEYA = NIMROD = MARS

HORUS = OSIRIUS = SANAT KUMARA = EROS = DIONYSUS = ANCIENT OF DAYS = TAMMUZ = MIN = KAMDEV = PRADYUMNA

ISIS = MARY = MARIAMMA = KOUMARI = VENUS = APHRODITE = ISHTAR = SEMIRAMIS = HATHOR = MAYAVATI = KANYAKUMARI = TRIPURA SUNDARI = RATI = 16 YEAR OLD GODDESS

JESUS = SANANDA KUMARA

MARY MAGDALENE = LADY NADA

HADES = SHANI = SATAN = WRATHFUL TIBETAN DEITY

7 ARCHANGELS = 7 SAPTARISHIS = COUNCIL OF SEVEN

ATLAS = HIMAVAN = DAKSHA = EL

PLEIONE = MENAKA

APEP = KALASURA

7 PLAIEDES' SISTERS = 7 KRITTIKAS = 7 SAPTA MATRIKAS

PARASURAM = GILGAMESH; NOAH = VIVASVAT MANU; NOAH'S ARC = MALAYAN HILLS.

WILD COW GODDESS = NINSUN = NININSINA = RENUKA

HUMBABA = TRISHANKU = KALMASHAPADA

SARASWATI = SESHAT

HERACLES = HERCULES = ARJUNA

ENOCH = METATRON

HERA = INDRANI

AURORA = USHA

EOS = SAVITA

VARUNA = POSEIDON

MITHRA = ZOROASTRA

TVASTRI = HAPHAESTOS = BUNENE

HOLY GRAIL = AMRITAM = SOMA = LIFE ELIXIR = NECTAR OF IMMORTALITY


THE LIST IS ENDLESS!

THE NIBIRUAN GODS ( NIBIRU = NEBADON = VULCAN = PLANET X = WORMWOOD FROM SIRIUS B ) HAD THEIR BASES EVERYWHERE.

ALL THE RELIGIONS HAVE THE SAME SOURCE !
( BIBLE -> BY-BAL -> BY BA'AL( ENKI))
( QURAN -> QUR-AN / ANU )

MANY OF THE COMPARED CHARACTERS/ INCIDENTS MIGHT HAVE HAPPENED AT ONE PLACE AND THEN IMPLANTED INTO ANOTHER CULTURE FOR THEIR BENEFIT.

SOURCE :
http://www.galacticroundtable.com/forum/topics/sumerian-gods-hindu-gods

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