Federal Reserve adds $70 BILLION in Liquidity to the Markets Today

[QUESTINY]

Federal Reserve adds $70 BILLION in Liquidity to the Markets Today

First shot for $20 billion was at 0940; second just happened for $50 billion at 1150-this has to be related to AIG. Long end of the bonds selling off. Someone needs cash and bad.

This is getting scary now.

Forgot this:

http://www.newyorkfed.org/markets/omo/dmm/temp.cfm

[Zarathustra]

When you are forced to print fiat currency to support a market, that market is insolvent.

[QUESTINY]

Hey Z, do you know about the Plunge Protection Team started by Reagen? It is also know as the Presidents Working Group?

[Zarathustra]

Q,

Yes, I'm familiar with it. The best analysis of how they manipulate the markets that I've heard is from Bob Chapman, www.theinternationalforecaster.com.

What's your take?

[troopgear]

I'm being nice---------

[Zarathustra]

Please!!!!! Help me to understand what you know about MONEY!!!!!
Not "cut and paste" internet info!!
Tell me in detail about why this is "Scary"!!!
and tell me down to the penny why it effects you.......

I'm being nice-- -------

Troop,

I'm going to violate your request to not cut and paste, because Bob Chapman's latest article describes the direness of the current situation as best and it can be done.


Read this, then respond with any questions and I'll try my best to answer
http://www.theinternationalforecaster.com/International_Forecaster_Weekly/Hyperinflation_Bailouts_and_Moral_Hazard

[troopgear]

:lightsabre:

[Zarathustra]

T,

There's a difference between spreading doom and gloom and telling the truth about a bad situation. Did you read the Chapman article?

[empathy]

Zarathustra, that wasn't directed to you.... just want to know why "QUESTINY"
is spreading doom and gloom..... in every thread..... I want to know why
she thinks its "Scary"!!!.... There is nothing new here on info......
That's a normal response by the fed. but there is more to it...... I just want to
know if she really know anything or all she know is "Cut and paste"!!!! :lightsabre:

? Are you trying to infer that she is not welcome to post whatever she wants?

[troopgear]

Yep!!! there nothing new here..... this info, has been around.... That's not even half of it...
Please tell me your not a front for her???

[troopgear]

DUDE! catch up or get out!!! can you read!!!!!! Empathy

[empathy]

DUDE! catch up or get out!!! can you read!!!!!! Empathy

DUDE?

I can already see where your coming from.

Look, everybody is frustrated. Don't be so inconsiderate as to assume that everyone here is only interested in debunking each others own reality on the situation.

Cut&paste-ing articles isn't really doom and gloom to me.

Furthermore, if you actually read Questiny's posts. You would know she is only interested in the truth. Whatever it is, under whatever light it's shown.

Stop bashing.

[Love/Light 13]

empathy-

I agree 100%. Questiny has provided more useful info than almost anyone on this forum. On a day where the fourth largest investment banking firm has declared bankruptcy, coupled with the struggles of AIG and WaMu, we should all be concerned. No one should panic, just understand the issues and be prepared for the tough times ahead. Live in love and your reality will remain on the positive path!

may wisdom guide compassion..... "out of many, we are one"

[QUESTINY]

Q,
The best analysis of how they manipulate the markets that I've heard is from Bob Chapman, www.theinternationalforecaster.com.

What's your take?

Me too.

[troopgear]

Ok Then, back to square one.......
I'll make it simple, "QUESTINY" choose to express her opinion to me and has yet
to account for her stupidity.. So I'm just calling her out.....

Best Regards

[troopgear]

:mfr_omg: Plant a tree!!

[empathy]

Ok Then, back to square one.......
I'll make it simple, "QUESTINY" choose to express her opinion to me and has yet
to account for her stupidity.. So I'm just calling her out.....

Best Regards

Stupidity? My my you have a way with words.

And maybe you didn't hear me...

WE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN CALLING EACH OTHER OUT!!!

If you want a fight go punch a mirror.

[Zarathustra]

Troop,

Here's my advice for you, sell everything you own for dollars, and put all of that money in a Wamu account.

[troopgear]

Ok Princess ,

[QUESTINY]

troopgear. I welcome your thoughts and opinions. If you feel I am spreading doom and gloom than you are welcome to tell me where I am wrong just like I told you there in no difference between a 1 oz gold bar and a 1 oz gold coin. By making statements that I don't know what I'm talking about when I mention paper money in the forex, please show me where my understanding of a fiat currency is lacking. We have already established that Chapman's work is generally accepted among us in this thread.

[troopgear]

This is why the sheep will die!!!!!!

[visual co-creator]

*

[kayak]

CHILDREN! You're allowing yourselves / egos to get in the way of Project Avalon's purposes!
Practice the Law of Allowance. Practice the Heart Virtues (See the Wingmakers material).

I am Kayak.

[QUESTINY]

troopgear. You can do better than that. Explain your position instead of calling me names. I am sorry you feel there is a difference between a 1 oz gold coin and a 1 oz gold bar. Please explain where my thinking is wrong too. Thank you in advance for your consideration in this matter.

[troopgear]

Oh now we are back to that...
Tell me why the Plunge Protection Team started "QUESTINY"

Please let "QUESTINY" talk!!!

[troopgear]

1

[QUESTINY]

CHILDREN! You're allowing yourselves / egos to get in the way of Project Avalon's purposes!
Practice the Law of Allowance. Practice the Heart Virtues (See the Wingmakers material).

I am Kayak.

No ego here. I am trying to understand where troopgear is coming from and I am really looking forward to him telling me where I am lacking so that I can either clarify or fix my thinking. This is the purpose of this post. I have no control over his charged emotions but I am interested in his views. He is very passionate about his position.

[troopgear]

Tell you what, explain my last question and I will tell you about gold

[franciejones]

I hope everyone here remembers that being in a state of fear is not productive for the continuation of life.

It is my opinion that "fear" only helps "the bad guys" achieve whatever it is that they are aiming for.

We can ALL live just fine without money, cars, houses, toilets...all of that. Be calm, feed the soul, smile at everyone you see and you will feel such peace that it will be communicated to those around you and any problems that come along will be easily dealt with.

At least that is how I think these problems can be better handled.

Calm thoughts and feelings to everyone-Francie Jones

[troopgear]

Please, "no cut and paste"

Thank-you

[troopgear]

Are you still there "QUESTINY"

[empathy]

Gosh troop, you know. If you didn't come across as such a egoist. You might actually be heard. But most of us here won't look past the name calling.
If you haven't already guessed. Whatever argument your trying to win, has no opposition. And whatever it is your trying to say, we don't understand.

All I hear is "Listen to me, I am obviously smarter than you, so much so that I don't need to explain myself. Im american and am always correct. I will just respond in two or three lines, and call you names to put you in your place."

[QUESTINY]

Have I posted something that explains the definition of Money that you don't agree with? I don't remember posting anything that gave a defination of this. In addition, to your other derailing question, you will notice the post about the Plunge Protection Team was addressed to Zarathustra. I ask you again, what is the difference between a 1 oz gold coin and a 1 oz gold bar?

[QUESTINY]

If you have some insights on who started the PPT then please post and share your insights.

[troopgear]

Why YES I am, very good,

can you sit and roll also.....

[QUESTINY]

Sure. I can sit and roll, can't most everyone.

[troopgear]

Too bad you all could have learned something new today!!!

Once again "QUESTINY" all you did was defer the question....

You go buy as many coins as you want.... Sucker born every min. in here!!!


That wasn't for you "QUESTINY"

[empathy]

Too bad you all could have learned something new today!!!

Once again "QUESTINY" all you did was defer the question....

You go buy as many coin you want.... Sucker born every min. in here!!!

Now I have to come to the conclusion that you are either one of two things.

Totally useless in the way of bringing information to people for the good of all.
But deep down have an agenda that strives to connect people...

Or Totally useless in the way of bringing information to people for the good of all.
And deep down have an agenda that is self serving and full of fear.


If you have something useful to bring to this thread, we are all looking at you right now. Here is your chance.

[Carol]

It would be helpful if this thread were redirected away from personalities back to the seriousness of the initial issue presented and the steps, if there are any, on how an individual can protect oneself.

My son is one of the recent ex directors of the Swiss Bank in London. I think I'll give him a call and see what his take is on all of this. He did say several months back to get out of the market, get out of debt and keep cash on hand in a safe place.

Okay, just spoke with him and here is his take on the current financial situation.

Cash is good short term as this continues to unravel, safety is the key. Longer-term, go with exchange traded funds (ETF) with low expense rations to give to access the S&P 500. SPDRs are a specific type of ETF. Currently, it's difficult to predict the bottom... wait a little while. AIG is close to going bust as well; many companies will have losses regarding this bankruptcy. The next six months will be a rough ride, not until next spring would likely be a good time to re-invest. For some folks (in england) it would be best to just pay off their mortgage because interest is not tax deductible there. Not so in the US. One also has to look at how much liquidity one needs.

Putting money into any sort of retirement type plans is good. Even within some sort of IRA one can usually buy the SP 500 ETF, which is very liquid, relatively cheap to trade, low commissions, and gives exposure to a highly diversified index.

Long term - one wants to be in the equity market... think 20 years or more as this will also minimizes ones expense ratio and builds equity.

Gold is now in the $700 range and may be a good investment but is very difficult to predict short-term investment prices and value.

Cash is good. Particularly for the next 6 months as the equity market can still go down quite a bit more. Dollar has rallied against the Euro. The Euro is now predicted to go down.

[SunRa]

if i were posting in this thread
i would ask myself

are my motives and intentions for posting herein in alignment with the project avalon mission?

Project Avalon mission:
*** To provide resources and information in support of the GROUND CREW.

support is intended to be a positive action

[troopgear]

Do you know what this is call.......????? empathy


Double speak!!!!!!

An american agenda term.....

[QUESTINY]

We all generally want to learn and none of us believe we have all the answers. I agree with empathy. Please share with us so we can have a constructive discussion?

[QUESTINY]

My son is one of the recent ex directors of the Swiss Bank in London. I think I'll give him a call and see what his take is on all of this. He did say several months back to get out of the market, get out of debt and keep cash on hand in a safe place.

Here is an interesting article from Europe that may have relevance to this discussion. It is important to note that this article was released in February of 2008. Enjoy.

http://www.leap2020.eu/GEAB-N-22-is-available!-Global-systemic-crisis-September-2008-Phase-of-collapse-of-US-real-economy_a1298.html

[QUESTINY]

Sorry troopgear. We're all moving on.

[troopgear]

My Point is you don't need to put your two cent into everything.....
Sometimes you need to listen.....

[Zarathustra]

Q,

I don't hear many talk about the fact that the Fed no longer publishes the M3 statistic. Personally, I find that very disturbing, much like the writers of that article.

[empathy]

My Point is you don't need to put your two cent into everything.....
Sometimes you need to listen.....

Very wise indeed. Now please, enough of your "two cent"

[Captain Obvious]

troopgear,
>My Point is you don't need to put your two cent into everything.....

Then what do you think this place should be about, if not thoughts and opinions are to be expressed?

Questiny:
Thanks for pointing out more articles I like.

[Bill Ryan]

Hi, troopgear:

I'm one of those people who understands enough to know that there are problems, but does NOT know enough - about economics, because that's not my training - to understand the REAL issues and their implications for us all.

If you ARE an economist, we'd welcome your views. If you feel (or better still, know) that there's incorrect information here, then please do share it - that would be a valuable contribution.

If you're NOT an economist, then it'd be helpful to understand why you think that the members' concerns here (and mine are among them) are not valid.

Very best wishes, Bill

[troopgear]

Sent you a mess. Bill

[Carol]

I'm moving this down in the thread for those who missed the edit further up.

Okay, just spoke with my son in England and here is his take on the current financial situation.

Cash is good short term as this continues to unravel, safety is the key. Longer-term, go with exchange traded funds (ETF) with low expense rations to give to access the S&P 500. SPDRs are a specific type of ETF. Currently, it's difficult to predict the bottom... wait a little while. AIG is close to going bust as well; many companies will have losses regarding this bankruptcy. The next six months will be a rough ride, not until next spring would likely be a good time to re-invest. For some folks (in England) it would be best to just pay off their mortgage because interest is not tax deductible there. Not so in the US. One also has to look at how much liquidity one needs.

Putting money into any sort of retirement type plans is good. Even within some sort of IRA one can usually buy the SP 500 ETF, which is very liquid, relatively cheap to trade, low commissions, and gives exposure to a highly diversified index.

Long term - one wants to be in the equity market... think 20 years or more as this will also minimizes ones expense ratio and builds equity.

Gold is now in the $700 range and may be a good investment but is very difficult to predict short-term investment prices and value.

Cash is good. Particularly for the next 6 months as the equity market can still go down quite a bit more. Dollar has rallied against the Euro. The Euro is now predicted to go down. :winksmiley02: This is good for the dollar.

[Zarathustra]

Makani,

thank you for contacting your son and getting us another take on the situation.

[Archangel]

I believe Questiny is on the mark with her analysis, If you need absolute proof of what is going on just go down to your local bank, Troop, as I am sure you have good credit and you are an upstanding member of the community and ask them to refi your house or give you a 100% auto loan. Then take a look at the community you live in and notice all the late model trucks and cars sitting in peoples yards with For Sale signs on them. You could even drive across Country and perhaps notice the gradual siphoning off of National Gaurd equipment as it is being stripped from local units and sent to Iraq because we are out of front line equip. Maybe you could take your next car bill to your computer and print some money to pay it, that is what the Fed is doing, it doesn't take a genius to see that it is an unteneble situation. You might also want to ask why the Federal Government is running Military excercises in US cities, Indy and Denver come to mind. You may want to consider the fact that they generally don't practice things they don't intend on using. Maybe it is the shrinking volume of food I buy in the grocery store or the fact that I realize that the U.S. was not designed for 3 dollar a gallon gas, All of europe can fit in Texas so spare me the "Europeans are paying 7 a gallon stuff," it is insulting to anyone who has looked at a Globe I don't know I could be wrong, I mean the Government said we are doing fine and so did all the pretty people on TV, Sorry if this is too sarcastic, but I really hope you can see some of the things around you without someon having to write a dissertation on the fall of Rome....I mean America

[QUESTINY]

Q,

I don't hear many talk about the fact that the Fed no longer publishes the M3 statistic. Personally, I find that very disturbing, much like the writers of that article.

I am listening to some good stuff empathy sent to me. Real quick though, check out shadowstats.com to see what the M3 is doing.

[QUESTINY]

I'm moving this down in the thread for those who missed the edit further up.

Okay, just spoke with my son in England and here is his take on the current financial situation.

Cash is good short term as this continues to unravel, safety is the key. Longer-term, go with exchange traded funds (ETF) with low expense rations to give to access the S&P 500. SPDRs are a specific type of ETF. Currently, it's difficult to predict the bottom... wait a little while. AIG is close to going bust as well; many companies will have losses regarding this bankruptcy. The next six months will be a rough ride, not until next spring would likely be a good time to re-invest. For some folks (in England) it would be best to just pay off their mortgage because interest is not tax deductible there. Not so in the US. One also has to look at how much liquidity one needs.

Putting money into any sort of retirement type plans is good. Even within some sort of IRA one can usually buy the SP 500 ETF, which is very liquid, relatively cheap to trade, low commissions, and gives exposure to a highly diversified index.

Long term - one wants to be in the equity market... think 20 years or more as this will also minimizes ones expense ratio and builds equity.

Gold is now in the $700 range and may be a good investment but is very difficult to predict short-term investment prices and value.

Cash is good. Particularly for the next 6 months as the equity market can still go down quite a bit more. Dollar has rallied against the Euro. The Euro is now predicted to go down. :winksmiley02: This is good for the dollar.

Thank you for posting this. This is wise advice.

[Oiran]

Troopgear, please stop bullying people... it serves no positive purpose. I've been following Questiny's posts and I don't share your sentiment that she only spreads "doom and gloom," nor do I agree that this most recent post isn't "new" information. I have to assume you didn't read it, but if you did, you clearly failed to understand the information within, because if you did, you wouldn't be holding so strong to your skewed stance.

"Banks are lying about their financial positions. They are hiding losses on and off balance sheets... more frightening is the fact that the FDIC has one-cent in reserves for every dollar it is responsible for. Worse yet, there are $4.1 trillion of uninsured deposits in banks. That is in addition to $8.6 trillion covered by only one-cent per dollar. If that doesn't frighten you, you are just plain dumb.

Then you look at Lehman's books and you find they are bankrupt and the South Korean government agrees with us. Incidentally no one in the US media carried the government of South Korea's comments. [*NOTE: Lehman just filed for Chapter 11 Bankruptcy TODAY, two days after this article was posted!]

...The financial system is falling apart, which is part of the disintegration process. All these other events are distractions to obfuscate the fact that the game is over. It is only a question of when does the bottom fall out. Follow our advice and get your excess capital out of banks, even brokerage houses are safer. Buy gold and silver coins and shares and Swiss franc government bonds. If you do not you may lose everything."

http://www.theinternationalforecaster.com/International_Forecaster_Weekly/Hyperinflation_Bailouts_and_Moral_Hazard

Keep up the great work, Questiny!

[troopgear]

:mfr_omg: move on, we already had this talk.... it over...

[Northboy]

:mfr_omg: move on, we already had this talk.... it over...


I read this thread with interest and just had to jump in.

I don't agree with the goldbugs. A Gold standard would decrease liquidity in the system and as innovation would be effectively be choked, this could result in a regional dark age.

Getiing our innovations and inspirations commercialized to underpin livelihood will result in a new cash circulation paradigm and it would lift the boats.

Consider this, the Royal Bank of Canada, a reasonably good operator by international standards, has officers now sitting on local economic development boards and supports the localized ec dev. process.

Developing structures for empowerment of the public is where the real game is.

By the way, the real issue facing the United States is not the deconstruction of the financial system, some of which has to happen, but the potential loss of its fedralism in its current form....

[Carol]

"The credit crisis has also hit US insurer AIG, which is suffering from a declining share price and facing a possible downgrading of its credit rating.

AIG is being forced to extreme measures, including perhaps selling off subsidiaries to extricate itself from billions of dollars in losses, the Wall Street Journal reported in its online edition Sunday.

Citing an AIG insider, the respected US business journal said AIG was considering a teleconference with analysts on Monday, at which the process of restructuring would be outlined.

AIG, which has a worldwide presence in the insurance industry, has suffered a 45-per-cent drop in its share price over just a few weeks.

The company lost more than 18 billion dollars in the last three quarters due to enormous write-offs from the ongoing US credit crisis.

http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/s...eculation.html

Here is a George Green link as well. I'm not sure if folks have taken the time to listen to this yet: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6456567534341306261

[Ellusion]

All they are doing is throwing "money" at the problem knowing that all its doing is holding out the collapse for as long as possible. It's just time before the dollar is dead.

-Brandt

[Cyberbird]

Anyway.

***
-When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.
Arthur Conan Doyle

***


Is the United States Bankrupt ?
by Laurence J. Kotlikoff
Federal Reserve Bank of St-Louis
July/August 2006

***********
CONCLUSION

There are 77 million baby boomers now ranging from age 41 to age 59. All are hoping to collect tens of thousands of dollars in pension and healthcare
benefits from the next generation. These claimants aren’t going away. In three years, the oldest boomers will be eligible for early Social Security benefits. In six years, the boomer vanguard will start collecting Medicare. Our nation has done nothing to prepare for this onslaught of obligation. Instead, it has continued to focus on a completely meaningless fiscal metric—“the” federal deficit—censored and studiously ignored long-term fiscal analyses that are scientifically coherent, and dramatically expanded the benefit levels being explicitly or implicitly promised to the baby boomers. Countries can and do go bankrupt. The United States, with its $65.9 trillion fiscal gap, seems clearly headed down that path. The country needs to stop shooting itself in the foot. It needs to adopt generational accounting as its standard method of budgeting and fiscal analysis, and it needs to adopt fundamental tax, Social Security, and healthcare reforms that will redeem our children’s future.
****************

Source:
http://research.stlouisfed.org/publications/review/06/07/Kotlikoff.pdf


By the way, Kotlikoff is a well-respected economist ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laurence_J._Kotlikoff )

[timelord]

i think this thread is going off topic.... fast

[Mizar]

Just what I was silently hoping for, a cage match with Troop and Questiny.
For what it's worth, I will put my $ ( whatever they are worth) on Questiny.
IMO, really good R Viewers can also perform remote Mischief, ( not that I have ever done that, that would be wrong)
Mind your fingers on that forex keyboard Troop! Marquis de Q rules, no hitting below the belt and may the best person win.
M :lol3:

[troopgear]

Why, Thank-you there Pirate eye..... I wish it was Halloween too...:roll1:

[empathy]

The baby boomer thing, now that has relevance.
And if you step back even further. gosh I can't remember where I saw this..... Someone explained in detail, how the future holds fewer and fewer new borns, and more and more old people.... I will have to find it.

AHAH! HERE IT IS!!!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5405261826557501257&ei=ChXPSMfANpi6qAO0qum8Ag&q=demography

Please watch responsibly

[troopgear]

very delightful:sleep_1:

[QUESTINY]

The baby boomer thing, now that has relevance.
And if you step back even further. gosh I can't remember where I saw this..... Someone explained in detail, how the future holds fewer and fewer new borns, and more and more old people.... I will have to find it.

AHAH! HERE IT IS!!!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5405261826557501257&ei=ChXPSMfANpi6qAO0qum8Ag&q=demography

Please watch responsibly

Well that video was interesting! Did you know that Nebraska has the highest population over 85 years old in the US.

[empathy]

Well that video was interesting! Did you know that Nebraska has the highest population over 85 years old in the US.

Wow, a lot of old people in Nebraska! Do you think America's kids will grow up fast enough and have more kids in time to take care of our old people? Or should we just shoot all the baby boomers? (totally joking)

[troopgear]

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[empathy]

:mfr_omg: I just got dumber!!

Thank you for participating. Your input is greatly appreciated.

[troopgear]

Thank-you kind Sir...

[dolphin]

troopgear (what a wonderful name you posted, tells a lot about you)....

Questiny has posted the most informative info. i'll read her posts more often bec. she cuts to the chase and provides pertinent info. obviously she's pushed your buttons, bec. you can't handle hearing the truth...which is why most of us are here on this forum. if you want to be babysat then don't read her posts.

:lmfao:

[troopgear]

What insight would that be.....
Please....

[empathy]

Questiny, please retitle this thread to:

"Everything about TroopGear 24/7"

Because he really needs the attention.

[troopgear]

Let me get the live feed up and running first..:naughty:

[dolphin]

dude, enough...take the advice from another here...go buy some WAMU stocks

[troopgear]

What does that have to do with this......

[stefaan]

I feel bad reading the posts on this thread.
How you treat each other is not the best you can do.
You're better than this, I'm sure.

[ForsakenFalcon]

You rock on Questiny,
I feel like she's looking into stuff, and passing on what she feels is important for us to know. You can read it, or not. Believe it or not. The point is that the more information we have, the more of an "informed opinion" we can come to.


Indeed I think majority of us on this forum have a great deal of respect for Q and Her contrubution's.

[Daria]

It's Questiny's avatar. It attracts "followers".

[ForsakenFalcon]

It's Questiny's avatar. It attracts "followers".

The Pic is pretty however........
alittle to Old for Me (Sorry Q =P)

Have You eithen asked Her a question befor outside the forums?

Both in forums and in private She give's very solid satisfacting awnsers and from the 3 meerly question's I'v asked Her She's never tiped toed around anything and given a stright awnser.

In My books that deserve's respect

[JohnWdoe]

Zarathustra, that wasn't directed to you.... just want to know why "QUESTINY"
is spreading doom and gloom..... in every thread..... I want to know why
she thinks its "Scary"!!!.... There is nothing new here on info......
That's a normal response by the fed. but there is more to it...... I just want to
know if she really know anything or all she know is "Cut and paste"!!!! :lightsabre:

No reason to fear monger and is she is afraid of something she is genuinely scared of it, whats so hard to understand?

I just don't want to see anymore damn FEMA camp monotone videos and NWO parades. Jeeze that got old quick... and brainwashing fast!!

[Phosphene_Sparks]

I wish people would just behave.

[JohnWdoe]

It's Questiny's avatar. It attracts "followers".

Arnt men a suckers for a pretty girl?

[QtesUKStoke]

This thread seems to have strayed :sad:

Quote "Federal Reserve adds $70 BILLION in Liquidity to the Markets Today"

[Theresa]

MODERATORS!!!?!!?

ok, folks. I am thoroughly confused at what's happening here. Are a few of you plants, or something, or just jealous of an intelligent female? hmm...ok then.

I would like to offer a meta-physical perspective, if I might.

First of all, very interesting article. I think there is still room for conjecture, obviously, as NOTHING is cut and dry and there are so many variables in place.

But one thing that is NOT cut and dry is that we are on the verge of a massive dimensional shift from 3rd to 4th and 5th dimensional consciousness. What I have heard from Spirit and others who serve as channels for higher truth, is that all 3rd dimensionally based institutions and ways of being must now disintegrate-its nothing personal, it's just the evolution of the universe, :wink2:

That being said, watching the fireworks is truly mind boggling, but the important thing to note is that HOW human beings conduct themselves MUST shift or they will be "sorted out" of the loop. Overall, that's what we are seeing with our global financial system.

The "illuminati" are looking like idiots because they are so thoroughly "3rd" dimensional and can not create structures that are 4th and 5th based. So, their "machinations" will fail.

What DOES 4th and 5th dimensional commerce and economics look like? From spirit I hear that its all about bartering, community upliftment, working together, sharing resources. No more lending money for profit, no more exploitation of labor, no more unethical activities, etc, etc.

This will be accomplished, I have heard, by such massive natural changes on the earth that the last of these old, parasitic systems will completely fail as will all illuminati control based structures. They are no match for the forces of Mother Nature.

What spirit says is rather than trying to amass gold bars, learn how to garden, learn how to network, and above all, KEEP WORKING ON OUR OWN SPIRITUAL GROWTH!

No amount of gold bars or deep underground bunkers will save ANYONE, because it's a DIMENSIONAL SHIFT! so KISS mother nature's...cheek (keep it simple, sweetie!)

The most important thing to do is keep growing ourselves spiritually. That's the ONLY Thing that will "save" us, or help us individually "make the leap!" That, and as always, TRUST THE PROCESS!!!


~LOVE PREVAILS LOVE HEALS LOVE TRIUMPHS~

[QtesUKStoke]

I can see why you would see the thread as confusing.
If you've just joined the thread you will not have seen prior post's that contained
personal insults to a individual,
the language that was used therein was both inappropriate and offensive and had no place on a public forum.
I PM'ed The Individual regarding the post.
This post has now been edited by the poster.

If you did see the post before the editing occurred you should have clearly seen why I made
that comment.

Everybody has a right to post their personal opinions, however please refrain from making
personal insults.

I Hope this has cleared things up,


Lets remember why we are all here folks.

Thank You

[empathy]

Arnt men a suckers for a pretty girl?

Correction, Pretty girl with a brain.

All in all, you must have figured out by now. That 70% of this thread has been useless in the way of helping anybody who is reading.... I don't understand why it hasn't been "moderated"

In regards to this whole defending Questiny, as if she was incapable. Which she is not, I can assure you. I think the less attention we give to troublemakers the better.

[mudra]

Hello friends,

"The belief in polarity is chosen instead of understanding the complete unity of thought that binds all things together. You are everything — every being, every emotion, and every situation. You are unity. You are infinity. You are Love, Light. You are. The Law of One says all things are one Creator. Thus, seeking the Creator is done not just in meditation and in the work of the adept, but in the experience of every moment. In each infinitesimal part of yourself resides the One in all its power."

excerpt from the Ra material :: the law of one series

Do think to switch now and then to the spiritual side of this forum .
It help to keep oneself in balance and respectfull of all.

Kindness

mudra

[QUESTINY]

Enough. I just came online a short while ago and all hell broke lose. The point of this thread was to illuminate the Federal Reserve had to add $70 Billion yesterday to keep the markets from tanking a 1000 points. Today they put in $50 billion. That is just what they say to the public.

It is clear the Feds are very worried, no very scared. I believe this thread is relevant because we are winning. The illusion is fading away and a war is being fought to keep it from us. The people who post on this forum see it happening. I post to show not the doom but the power we hold to change the course of history. We must work together, we cannot do it on our own. WE CANNOT EAT OUR OWN. We have strength in numbers and the vale is being removed.

[mudra]

Enough. I just came online a short while ago and all hell broke lose. The point of this thread was to illuminate the Federal Reserve had to add $70 Billion yesterday to keep the markets from tanking a 1000 points. Today they put in $50 billion. That is just what they say to the public.

It is clear the Feds are very worried, no very scared. I believe this thread is relevant because we are winning. The illusion is fading away and a war is being fought to keep it from us. The people who post on this forum see it happening. I post to show not the doom but the power we hold to change the course of history. We must work together, we cannot do it on our own. WE CANNOT EAT OUR OWN. We have strength in numbers and the vale is being removed.
You are loved Questiny.
Your posts are relevant and I believe most of us appreciate the information you give us.
Project Avalon is not a place for fighting and intimidation. Let's leave this behind and put
our energy into constructing a better world.
You are doing your share and it's fine:)

love

mudra

[QUESTINY]

It's Questiny's avatar. It attracts "followers".

Another reason why I changed it. I am not here for followers. I am here to share and learn like everyone else. I have a mutual respect for everyone who posts.

[Dantheman62]

Another reason why I changed it. I am not here for followers. I am here to share and learn like everyone else. I have a mutual respect for everyone who posts.
Thank You Q!!!

[Mizar]

Mizar`s second occupation is a financial advisor, Mizar has advised all of his close friends and clients to sell all US$ securities as early as April of 2008.

Everyone was pi$$ed at first, but the now the love has returned:original:
M

[QUESTINY]

I closed all my positions and funds in November last year before I moved to the center of the country.

[Dantheman62]

I closed all my positions and funds in November last year before I moved to the center of the country.
Sold all mine when the market was 13,500(smiles) wish I would've kept the gold Panda Coins!!!

[QUESTINY]

I sold all my Gold coins too and bought all Silver coins. In the long run I hope it was a good decision.

[GregorArturo]

So I just did a calculation, due to that, inflation went up almost exactly in one day 1%. So if you had a dollar yesterday, today's it's worth only 99 cents. Sorry Mickey Dees.

[QUESTINY]

Actually you need to add up all the averages. The S&P, DOW and Nasdaq, now what is it?

[PodWORLD]

I live in UK and LloydsTSB and HBOS are merging.

If it wasn't for the 'credit crunch' as it's been branded this
would never have been allowed due to monopoly rules and yet
now it's going through no problem.

There are many aspects to this 'crisis', some foolish and some.....

[Dantheman62]

I closed all my positions and funds in November last year before I moved to the center of the country.
Greenspan would've never let this get this far..... would he......?

[Down Syndrome Adonis]

Bill Fleckenstein, president, Fleckenstein Capital came right out and largely blamed Greenspan for this mess on BNN tonight and with good reason.

http://watch.bnn.ca/squeezeplay/september-2008/squeezeplay-september-17-2008/#clip93475

[GregorArturo]

No I didn't touch the stocks for the calc. The Federal reserve has a statistic of the US Money Supply. Basically you divide 70 billion by the most recent M2, which is 7.7 trillion = aprox 1%

http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h6/current/

[Dantheman62]

Bill Fleckenstein, president, Fleckenstein Capital came right out and largely blamed Greenspan for this mess on BNN tonight and with good reason.

http://watch.bnn.ca/squeezeplay/september-2008/squeezeplay-september-17-2008/#clip93475
OOOOpppsss! PEACE!

[QUESTINY]

No I didn't touch the stocks for the calc. The Federal reserve has a statistic of the US Money Supply. Basically you divide 70 billion by the most recent M2, which is 7.7 trillion = aprox 1%

http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h6/current/

Got it thanks. It's still a mess as you stated.