Matrix 5

[HORIZONS]

Has anyone read the Matrix 5 books (or any of the Matrix books by Val) from the Leading Edge International Research Group web site, hosted by Val Valerian. I would be interested in your thoughts on this subject.

[gita]

it’s on my long list of ‘to read’ books – although I’ve not purchased it yet as it’s far too expensive even second hand. Any foot notes would be appreciated.

[HORIZONS]

it’s on my long list of ‘to read’ books – although I’ve not purchased it yet as it’s far too expensive even second hand. Any foot notes would be appreciated.

I have all the Matrix books,, but the M5 books is in a whole new arena. It can be very upsetting.

[Oliver]

I have all the Matrix books,, but the M5 books is in a whole new arena. It can be very upsetting.

Horizons, I have it..but still not read it. Tell us something more...

[K626]

it’s on my long list of ‘to read’ books – although I’ve not purchased it yet as it’s far too expensive even second hand. Any foot notes would be appreciated.

In 1999, the same year the Matrix V Project began, the public was shown the movie Matrix in theaters, which gave a glimpse into the possibilities inherent in technological manipulation of society and individual reality. It left a lot of people thinking about the reality in which we exist on this planet. But, there is a real Matrix that is even larger than anything even hinted at in the movie - a Matrix in which human experience on Earth is but a small part of a much larger picture - beyond society, beyond the planet, beyond the alien paradigms, beyond religion and beyond all belief systems on the 3rd and 4th densities. The "big questions" that people have on this planet - why we're here, who we really are and what life is really about - are not questions that cultures have answers for. There are plenty of "new age" paradigms around, but none of them have any real answers either, which is why people are stuck on "the eternal search" for truth. They won't find it within their Earth-bound personality, within all the paradigms that permeate all cultures on the planet that depend on identification with body and gender, and they won't find it in the paradigms of religion. Where is it, and what is really going on here on Earth?

One of the keys to discovery of the Ultimate Matrix is out-of body experience and long-time observation of what is actually out there, who we really are, and what it means to incarnate in a body here on Earth. Matrix V is all about your Higher Self, who you really are, your journey of self-discovery on this planet, and what's really going on, both here on Earth and in the density levels which lie just outside our 3rd density level. It is not based on beliefs or belief systems. The scope of the material in Matrix V exceeds that of any existing literature, which will become quite evident to the reader. If you identify with your body or your gender, or are comfortable in your "human" existence, do not buy Matrix V. You will not be ready for this advanced material, which is geared toward Advanced, Dominant and Final 3rd density incarnational perspectives. Matrix V is, no doubt, one of the most spiritually enlightening books ever printed, and at the same time to the factions that control this planet - and control anything anywhere - this is the most dangerous information ever released to mankind because it discusses who we really are, what the polarity-based control structures are really about, and the truth about incarnational experience on Earth. It is also a book that concerns accurate information about what is beyond the 3rd density and higher, based on direct observational explorations that have lasted more than a decade. It is a book that deals with the big questions in life - who we are, and why we are here.

It can be safely said that it accurately describes, based on direct observational experience, the nature of the Higher Self and human incarnations, ancient manipulation of human DNA , the genderization of the human body, the mechanics of incarnation and detailed information on the realms which we perceive when we become independent of the body after physical death. Matrix V, in effect, decodes earth reality, as well as the reality beyond the earth experience, in a way that has never been achieved in human literature. Are you a "man" or a "woman"? No. You are an androgynous being using a genderized body for experience. Only "men" and "women" buy into the cultural belief, which promotes identification with the body and gender, and they will continue to revel in Earth life and seek gratification and fulfillment of the DNA programming to which they have become slaves. The actual beginning point of these explorations started experientially with actual exploration of other densities slightly out of phase with ours, using out of body travel, however, the scope of this book far exceeds anything ever completed by Robert Monroe, author of three famous books on the subject, Journeys Out Of the Body, Far Journeys and Ultimate Journey. In fact, Matrix V Gold Edition is so far beyond the material Robert Monroe or any other explorer has ever released that it constitutes a major key for discovery for those Higher Self incarnations that are on the verge of spiraling out of this reality altogether. Think we're kidding? See link below to 32 pages of reader comments.

If you are at a position in life at this time where you seek more than what is around you in the controlled, idiotic culture we live in, more than religions, channeling, alien contactees, belief systems and the pathetic body of knowledge on this planet, Matrix V is for you. For more than two years, we have been leaking some of the information out to the public, who have responded with questions, and a tremendous body of follow-up material has developed which enhances the main series of segments which are collectively called Information for Very Advanced, Dominant and Final Incarnations.

The Second Edition of the book came out in August 2001. It featured 146 segments with 300 Q&A on the material. After 2 years have elapsed, the 600 page third and final edition (the GOLD EDITION) was released in March 2003. Much more advanced, the book has more than 340 segments (including 50 never before published), 439 Q&A on the material and a large 862 line-item index. Matrix V GOLD EDITION is the most advanced material available on the planet for those predisposed to evolving perspectives."

[Oliver]

K626, thank you very much, I am starting to read it:original:

[gita]

I have all the Matrix books,, but the M5 books is in a whole new arena. It can be very upsetting.

I am real intrigued to know more about this.


Thank you K626. All you wrote resonates with me as it’s what I’ve intuitively known all my life even though I cannot always articulate it. As a child I knew without doubts that everything around me was not real. I never bought into religion, money or authority for obvious reasons and as far as reincarnation goes, I’ve always saw that as yet another prison system. This books sounds very interesting and I would love to read it but probably when finances allow.

Any more info from the book would be greatly appreciated.

[Swanny]

Get it here http://pdfdatabase.com/matrix-v-gold-edition.html :thumb_yello:

Just tried one of the links but you have to be a member so I wont bother

[gita]

Get it here http://pdfdatabase.com/matrix-v-gold-edition.html :thumb_yello:

Just tried one of the links but you have to be a member so I wont bother

Thanks for the link Swanny - but the membership isn't free but it's a lot less than the cost of the book. I'll keep a note of the link for later on. :thumb_yello:

[gita]

Found a link where you can read excerpts for those who are interested.

http://www.cco.net/~trufax/matrix5/excerpts/

http://www.cco.net/~trufax/matrix5/segments/



Also a long running thread on Matrix 5 on David Icke’s form;

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43831

Better get reading.

[rhyzohm]

.

[HORIZONS]

Found a link where you can read excerpts for those who are interested.

http://www.cco.net/~trufax/matrix5/excerpts/

http://www.cco.net/~trufax/matrix5/segments/



Also a long running thread on Matrix 5 on David Icke’s form;

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43831

Better get reading.

This thread you posted has some really good info on it, and I am not finished reading it yet. It is good to read what other readers have said about the M5 project. It is truly a different kind of read. I'll have more to say later...

[HORIZONS]

there are pdfs of all the volumes floating around if you know where to look. try googling, it won't take long. in the meantime, some may find this critical review of the book pretty funny:

http://www.energygrid.com/spirit/2008/05ap-matrixv.html


This is a good review from a certain perspective. I will say the the M5 project will challenge you in new ways and make you THINK more then you might have otherwise. At this point I will not state as to the validity of the work - it is what it is - it could be the most profound work you have read or the most dangerous books ever written, or fall somewhere in-between. It is the reader must decide.

[annemirri]

[a.

[HORIZONS]

K.
You got me confused, I am like floating, reaching out for something...

walking through walls...

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There is no link for reader comments in your post > I am lost ...
and then you write "for more than two years, we have been leaking..."

So, YOU ARE A PART OF " WE" ?

Have you been here on projectavalon forum "leaking out" some of the information to the public ? Is that your task ?

Is that where you get your "data", of course I know about your abilities, heightened sensitivity that is very rare in this world, and your dreams,
ability to see within and through time,
no wonder that you got my attention as well, I have been following you like
"a shark follows a ship", playing with you to see when you come out.

I am sorry.:original:

a.

The post by k626 is from the M5 website, he is not the author of it unless he is The Author.

[gita]

The post by k626 is from the M5 website, he is not the author of it unless he is The Author.

:mfr_omg::furious: I really hope he is the author.

Good detective work Horizons - respect.:thumb_yello:

[annemirri]

[a.

[HORIZONS]

:mfr_omg::furious: I really hope he is the author.

Good detective work Horizons - respect.:thumb_yello:

Here is the source:
http://www.trufax.org/matrix5/welcome.html

[gita]

Here is the source:
http://www.trufax.org/matrix5/welcome.html

Thanks for the link. Just had a quick look and looks pretty good.

[TheChosen]

Not bad, I read some of the excerpts.. I like the guy's common sense and no-nonsense style :).. although the information is rather unrefined and too much built upon the Monroe framework of the astral. The great value is that it is based on practical astral projections.. but when you've had such a strong infuence by the framework of Monroe.. then those astral travels are greatly distorted and filter out any waves that don't fit the framework (for example the Monroe institute made astral projections for months or even years before they met anything alive.. simply because this was not the belief structure of the travelers at the time)

In any case personally I'd recommend Seth Speaks (the 1st book) a lot more.. the same themes explained into a much more dense, refined and inter connected structure from the point of view of 5th density rather than 3rd..

[HORIZONS]

Not bad, I read some of the excerpts.. I like the guy's common sense and no-nonsense style :).. although the information is rather unrefined and too much built upon the Monroe framework of the astral. The great value is that it is based on practical astral projections.. but when you've had such a strong infuence by the framework of Monroe.. then those astral travels are greatly distorted and filter out any waves that don't fit the framework (for example the Monroe institute made astral projections for months or even years before they met anything alive.. simply because this was not the belief structure of the travelers at the time)

In any case personally I'd recommend Seth Speaks (the 1st book) a lot more.. the same themes explained into a much more dense, refined and inter connected structure from the point of view of 5th density rather than 3rd..

Thanks for your remarks, I liked your viewpoint on the possible influence of the Monroe Inst on his experiences. Surely the foundation of our belief structures has a bearing on what we experience, especially in the Astral.

[Moxie]

I've subscribed to this thread! Way back in the mid 80's I began experiencing a frightening phenomena in and around the sleep state as though something was trying to pull me out of my body (this began after I had practiced lucid dreaming for a while). I would wake up (w/body paralysis in the sleep state) and I'd "hear/feel" a frequency that would begin to rise, that felt like something was "taking" me, it was very frightening and would impose itself on me. I never knew when it would happen and took all of my might to resist.

I then wrote Charles Tart (author of Altered States of Consciousness) and he wrote back advising me to get in touch with Robert Monroe. Within a week I met a lady who ("coincidentally") plopped Monroe's book in my hand.. (synchronicity all over the place)... and, come to find that he described ExactLy what was happening to me and referred to himself (and me or anyone else) as the unfortunate ones, those that actually experience the transitioning from lucid mind through the process of going out of body (most people just find themselves out). It began as an imposition for him too.

It was very frightening but his book was comforting in that he gave advice on how to work with it. Anyway, I really didn't want to do that much after awhile as something told me that because of my ignorance of what's out there in the astral, that I might heed caution, which I did. Not to mention that I might examine my belief system. That was the start of it all for me back then, the fringe topics! My experience with the times that I actually made it out of body using his techniques I found that whatever I thought would likely manifest and I knew that I was not in control of my thoughts to such a level that I would be fearless (then)...also I "heard" feminine voices (two) speaking to me that "we are always there to help". I said WhoTF are "we"? I wanted outathere!!!

I went on from there into a spontaneous kundalini rising, now really knowing what it was... all before the internet. Man, how much I've learned since then. Still I'm cautionary but have a mighty intuitive mode that I do trust!

Now here I am immersed in Ash'a Deane's work and now about to order Matrix V. .... much more cognizant of shielding/protection & 2 way communication w/my Higher aspects and such. I'm SO glad I'm not "normal".

Enjoying this thread alot!

[Zeddo]

Can one dive directly into the M5 book or should the earlier books be read first? (I am presuming there are 1,2,3 and 4?)

Z

[HORIZONS]

Can one dive directly into the M5 book or should the earlier books be read first? (I am presuming there are 1,2,3 and 4?)

Z

See link on post #18 above

You can start on M5 if you are ready - and only you can decide that. There are 4 volumes to the Matrix V series. Matrix 1, 2, 3 and 4 can be found at trufax

[Gnosis5]

there are pdfs of all the volumes floating around if you know where to look. try googling, it won't take long. in the meantime, some may find this critical review of the book pretty funny:

http://www.energygrid.com/spirit/2008/05ap-matrixv.html

i see you are also merged with your Higher Self :original: he looks just like my Higher Self too!!

[Gnosis5]

I've subscribed to this thread! Way back in the mid 80's I began experiencing a frightening phenomena in and around the sleep state as though something was trying to pull me out of my body (this began after I had practiced lucid dreaming for a while). I would wake up (w/body paralysis in the sleep state) and I'd "hear/feel" a frequency that would begin to rise, that felt like something was "taking" me, it was very frightening and would impose itself on me. I never knew when it would happen and took all of my might to resist.

I then wrote Charles Tart (author of Altered States of Consciousness) and he wrote back advising me to get in touch with Robert Monroe. Within a week I met a lady who ("coincidentally") plopped Monroe's book in my hand.. (synchronicity all over the place)... and, come to find that he described ExactLy what was happening to me and referred to himself (and me or anyone else) as the unfortunate ones, those that actually experience the transitioning from lucid mind through the process of going out of body (most people just find themselves out). It began as an imposition for him too.

It was very frightening but his book was comforting in that he gave advice on how to work with it. Anyway, I really didn't want to do that much after awhile as something told me that because of my ignorance of what's out there in the astral, that I might heed caution, which I did. Not to mention that I might examine my belief system. That was the start of it all for me back then, the fringe topics! My experience with the times that I actually made it out of body using his techniques I found that whatever I thought would likely manifest and I knew that I was not in control of my thoughts to such a level that I would be fearless (then)...also I "heard" feminine voices (two) speaking to me that "we are always there to help". I said WhoTF are "we"? I wanted outathere!!!

I went on from there into a spontaneous kundalini rising, now really knowing what it was... all before the internet. Man, how much I've learned since then. Still I'm cautionary but have a mighty intuitive mode that I do trust!

Now here I am immersed in Ash'a Deane's work and now about to order Matrix V. .... much more cognizant of shielding/protection & 2 way communication w/my Higher aspects and such. I'm SO glad I'm not "normal".

Enjoying this thread alot!

Hello Moxie, it is because of posters like yourself that I am attracted to this forum.

[pilot]

Quote:

"Females - The current thrust by American and other western females for domination over males is Orion Empire instigated. This is like a cat wanting to become a dog, a tree wanting to become a fish and so on. The purpose of the female gender (from the simultaneous point of view) was to have a totally different experience than the male, not to have an equal experience. This 'same experience idea is sequentially incarnating trait and seeks to undo the simultaneously incarnating path. The current female problem is one of the most serious threats to the simultaneously incarnating paths on earth today. On the other hand, it is one of the most important features of the Orion Empire and the sequentials' objective in the game.....You cannot escape the game and graduate to higher matters until you are aware of this problem and your body has overcome the alien DNA commands to 'serve the female'...

End quote.

Huh??

I must admit after my casual perusal of this material, I am a bit confused by this particular. Does this 'shim' presuppose the male experience to be the standard by which the female seeks a 'different' experience, the male being the prime reality...or what exactly is shim getting at here...

this sounds like buggery-at least this part, some of it is kind of interesting, I will say.

[Gnosis5]

I met some real females, not in western countries but, for example, some groups of Somali women -- females with female power, not females with male power. But this is simply bowing to the experience of polarities as i now choose to experience within the polarity of darkside and lightworker. All polarities, dualities get merged, and I suppose I simply go to a place where they do not even exist.

As a spirit who is aware of its androgynous nature I still feel a need to experience being a true feminine -- it does me no harm.

[TheChosen]

there are pdfs of all the volumes floating around if you know where to look. try googling, it won't take long. in the meantime, some may find this critical review of the book pretty funny:

http://www.energygrid.com/spirit/2008/05ap-matrixv.html

Holy... I have to retract my statement :).. anyone who states the following has clearly lost the plot in my opinion


# If you feel attraction to the opposite sex, you are experiencing a DNA program that was put there in order to encourage our species to reproduce. In other words, heterosexual attraction is an expression of our genetic slavery. Homosexuality is the natural sexual expression of advanced souls.
# The prime spiritual law is that like attracts like, and so our natural, non-programmed state is to be homosexual for it implies that our DNA programming has weakened to the point whereby we are not obsessed with the opposite sex.


This goes against all the major systems of reality I tend to agree with (Law of one by Ra, Seth speaks, personal experiences of my own etc).. Also for anyone to state they have the 100% of truth and that it is completely undebatable into the system of reality we are in right now.. is pure ignorance on their part.. There are always distortions to any kind of information as a result of personal bias or misconceptions (something repeated over many times in the law of one channeling for example)... so even though the author might have done OBEs .. those are hardly objective as anyone with any real experience will tell you... one single stray subconcious thought or program and you are completely lost in the experience..

I'd really just stick to the Seth Speaks book 1 (haven't read the others, maybe they are just as good) for a well done explanation about the dynamics of incarnations/individual experience. I can't think of any reason why one would bother with the inferior Matrix5 material (which ironically claims to be the most supreme and truth containing book ever in the whole human history...lol... incredible)

[Swanny]

Sounds like the writer of matrix 5 is having problems coping with his sexually.
Gay means advanced soul :lmao:

[HORIZONS]

The Author states that these are "his" experiences and you need your observations from "your" experiences. What this material does is challenge you at a very deep level to examine what it is you do and why. I too had trouble with several parts of the material but when I looked objectively at why the Author said what he said from his experience, how that made me feel, and is there any truth to it within my experience, I could then see things from a new perspective. Why is it that I am a het? Is it because I "need" a female or because I desire spiritual union? If it is because I desire spiritual union then gender wouldn't really matter because there is no gender in spirit, and sex for sex is not spiritual, but intimacy is. To read the material "correctly" is to read without bias, which is very difficult for us to do. And you also need to read more than a page or two to even come close to what is contained within. If you are not drawn to the materials then let it go without judgment and you will be the better for it. This is not for everyone to be sure.

[gita]

Sounds like the writer of matrix 5 is having problems coping with his sexually.
Gay means advanced soul :lmao:

I've only read some excerpts and it does sound Matrix 5 contains some really good info with some really unsavoury info. I think it may be a case of not throwing the baby out with the bath water. I shall remain open minded for now til I've read the book which my 'fairy godmother' has told me it's in the post as we speak!x:naughty::wink2:

[HORIZONS]

I've only read some excerpts and it does sound Matrix 5 contains some really good info with some really unsavoury info. I think it may be a case of not throwing the baby out with the bath water. I shall remain open minded for now til I've read the book which my 'fairy godmother' has told me it's in the post as we speak!x:naughty::wink2:

An open mind is a good thing to have. Just let go what you do not like, or better yet examine why it is you don't like it and see where that takes you.

The only absolute is that there is no absolute.

[gita]

An open mind is a good thing to have. Just let go what you do not like, or better yet examine why it is you don't like it and see where that takes you.

The only absolute is that there is no absolute.

Sound advice Horizons - exactly what I was planning.:thumb_yello:

[HORIZONS]

Sound advice Horizons - exactly what I was planning.:thumb_yello:

If you van get through the book without burning it you will grow :lol3:

Let me know how the read is going. I would love to discuss the work with someone.

[gita]

If you van get through the book without burning it you will grow :lol3:

Let me know how the read is going. I would love to discuss the work with someone.

Burning a book – sacrilege! Although I may use it as a door stopper as it meant to be quite big!:naughty: It would be good to discuss it with someone though. There’s a thread on Icke’s forum (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43831)that you may find interesting but there are some personal attack posts that you need to skip over but I suppose a book like this will cause a lot of controversy which may be part of its function (I’m guessing).

[HORIZONS]

Burning a book – sacrilege! Although I may use it as a door stopper as it meant to be quite big!:naughty: It would be good to discuss it with someone though. There’s a thread on Icke’s forum (http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43831)that you may find interesting but there are some personal attack posts that you need to skip over but I suppose a book like this will cause a lot of controversy which may be part of its function (I’m guessing).

Sacrilege to be sure--I stand corrected :wink2: I have read about halfway through the DI thread and there are some good comments within it. Without a doubt controversy does/will surround this work, for it is difficult at first to understand where the Author is coming from, and many never will; and that is OK too. One of the main points is to regain you power from the external back to the within and to remain in a Balanced state of awareness. This way we are not drawn into the "game matrix" way of things and gives us a backdoor out of all these trappings. (Which seem to abound on all levels of human consciousness.)

[gita]

Sacrilege to be sure--I stand corrected :wink2: I have read about halfway through the DI thread and there are some good comments within it. Without a doubt controversy does/will surround this work, for it is difficult at first to understand where the Author is coming from, and many never will; and that is OK too. One of the main points is to regain you power from the external back to the within and to remain in a Balanced state of awareness. This way we are not drawn into the "game matrix" way of things and gives us a backdoor out of all these trappings. (Which seem to abound on all levels of human consciousness.)

Yes, a lot of it has to do with the ‘matrix’ – as if that wasn’t enough Icke’s new book in on the ‘moon matrix’ – everything is a matrix!:lol3:

[HORIZONS]

Yes, a lot of it has to do with the ‘matrix’ – as if that wasn’t enough Icke’s new book in on the ‘moon matrix’ – everything is a matrix!:lol3:

The moon matrix??? :shocked: Crap, this matrix is enough for me to deal with, besides I am not planing a trip to the moon any time soon. :lmfao: But it will probably be an interesting read.

[gita]

The moon matrix??? :shocked: Crap, this matrix is enough for me to deal with, besides I am not planing a trip to the moon any time soon. :lmfao: But it will probably be an interesting read.

It would be an interesting read. According to Icke his new book contains new info including about the moon. The info about the moon I'm already aware of and have done some clearing work concerning the moon. Am interested to see what he says about its matrix though - darn, more books to read!:lol3:

[HORIZONS]

It would be an interesting read. According to Icke his new book contains new info including about the moon. The info about the moon I'm already aware of and have done some clearing work concerning the moon. Am interested to see what he says about its matrix though - darn, more books to read!:lol3:

I know what you mean I'm kinda all booked out right now, and another new read is on the horizon I'm sure. I would be interested in your awareness and clearing work concerning the moon. PM me if you want. Off to work...later on:thumb_yello:

[Moxie]

This is not a very well thought out post I'm about to make, so excuse me that...this is hasty writing, in other words:

anyway, I would go a bit above and beyond the stated quote above pertaining to the gender preference w/the sex act altogether and my intuition tells me it's another smokescreen to try & look thru.

I think it was Stewart Swerdlow that opened this door to me, the idea that sexual energy is one of the most prized energetic "foods" for the gods.... that is, if we, conjure/produce & perform with these energies while In the state of Ignorance of the true inherent power of sexual energies and do not direct our energetics toward a desirable, creative purpose, then you are, in fact, offering up these energies for the PTWere to harness & use for their own purposes.... which is why sexuality is one of the main themes in advertising/media.

Makes utter sense to me! Sex is not simply a feel good thing!

[Moxie]

ps: thank you Gnosis5 for your compliment, very kind of you to take the time to say so.

[pilot]

What would be ideal IMO would be to manage to have my own oobe and not pay too much mind to material like this. I would expect that my experience would differ like everyones would.

I have yet to accomplish this consciously however. What I don't care for is the tone of WARNING and DANGER and LOOK OUT for this and that when you get into the astral...why not just encourage people to have their own experiences and leave it at that? It's nice to have a little guidance but sheesh! Here is a pre-packaged cosmic view that seems distorted by an individual bias.

I agree with the poster who suggested the Seth books.
Seth Speaks (or was it the Seth Material) was the very first esoteric book I ever read way back when, and it set the course for further investigation, I'm really very glad it came into my life when it did and can still highly recommend it.

[gita]

This is not a very well thought out post I'm about to make, so excuse me that...this is hasty writing, in other words:

anyway, I would go a bit above and beyond the stated quote above pertaining to the gender preference w/the sex act altogether and my intuition tells me it's another smokescreen to try & look thru.

I think it was Stewart Swerdlow that opened this door to me, the idea that sexual energy is one of the most prized energetic "foods" for the gods.... that is, if we, conjure/produce & perform with these energies while In the state of Ignorance of the true inherent power of sexual energies and do not direct our energetics toward a desirable, creative purpose, then you are, in fact, offering up these energies for the PTWere to harness & use for their own purposes.... which is why sexuality is one of the main themes in advertising/media.

Makes utter sense to me! Sex is not simply a feel good thing!

Thanks for the post Moxie. I’m interested in your views on celibacy – how does this fit into everything? Many thanks.

[Moxie]

Are you speaking "making love alone?" (off topic here but Bernadette Peters once sang a super funny song on SaturdayNightLive w/that title, geesh what pops into mind huh?)... or not making love at all? You are likely speaking making or not making "Sex"?

Sexual energies arise, it's how you own w/honor and direct these that creates outcomes. Heart directed, integrity, respect, divine healing, all these things whether with another person or not, is how I see it.

Non exploitive, just another thing that takes examining ones true motive.

[gita]

Are you speaking "making love alone?" (off topic here but Bernadette Peters once sang a super funny song on SaturdayNightLive w/that title, geesh what pops into mind huh?)... or not making love at all? You are likely speaking making or not making "Sex"?

Sexual energies arise, it's how you own w/honor and direct these that creates outcomes. Heart directed, integrity, respect, divine healing, all these things whether with another person or not, is how I see it.

Non exploitive, just another thing that takes examining ones true motive.

I mean no sex at all - Not alone or with anyone or anything else.:naughty:

'Sexual energies arise' but with most things there are exceptions and I'm not talking denial of the energy or anythign like that. In your view, how would that fit in?

[HORIZONS]

Very good posts here and I will go with the flow:

Sex for sex sake is very much Alien as this was not the original intent. obviously on the natural level pro-creation is involved, as well as a base level physical gratification. But on a higher level I see the desire for spiritual union being the underlying desire for the sexual relationship. To connect on a higher level is a true desire of the spirit of each individual, and through the process of an intimate relationship the sexual union would be an outward manifestation of the true inward relationship. At that point gender would be irrelevant as it is not about sex but relationship. If I could get past the gender thing (body ID) then I would be free to be in relationship with anyone on a spiritual level. ALL carnal sexual desire is of a very low energetic frequency and produces the same result of emptiness for the abuser/abused. But it takes spiritual insight to see this, which is why the media promulgates the base sexual nature among the masses -- to keep them asleep. I do not advocate homosexuality, Bisexuality or heterosexuality, I see through them to the underlying spiritual intent.

[Moxie]

No sex is no problem if it's no problem with you. However you want to live life is a personal choice to be honored. A celibate lifestyle fits in simply because it IS.

[HORIZONS]

No sex is no problem if it's no problem with you. However you want to live life is a personal choice to be honored. A celibate lifestyle fits in simply because it IS.

I agree. Celibacy is just as valid as any other position, it all depends on your intent, and what you feel you must/need to do -- FOR YOU! It is your expression of beingness -- follow that if that is what you want.

[gita]

Thanks Horizons and Moxie for your input. I was just interested in others' view on where the energy of celibacy fitted into all this and not so much the 3D stuff. Great views.

[Swanny]

Making love to someone you really love can take you to fantastic spiritual highs :wub2:

[HORIZONS]

What would be ideal IMO would be to manage to have my own oobe and not pay too much mind to material like this. I would expect that my experience would differ like everyones would.

I have yet to accomplish this consciously however. What I don't care for is the tone of WARNING and DANGER and LOOK OUT for this and that when you get into the astral...why not just encourage people to have their own experiences and leave it at that? It's nice to have a little guidance but sheesh! Here is a pre-packaged cosmic view that seems distorted by an individual bias.

I agree with the poster who suggested the Seth books.
Seth Speaks (or was it the Seth Material) was the very first esoteric book I ever read way back when, and it set the course for further investigation, I'm really very glad it came into my life when it did and can still highly recommend it.

Thats just it -- you don't read M5 for the Author's knowledge of things, you read it for the EXPERIENCE. I completely disagree with some of the so-called knowledge in M5, I didn't read it to learn more truth. I read it because I was drawn to read it and it was, and continues to be, an experience I would have in no other way. I trust in no other source than my Higher Self - and M5 will help you,as an aid, to look within to that source.

[gita]

Making love to someone you really love can take you to fantastic spiritual highs :wub2:

Thanks for your input also Swanny - I hear you - Spritual heights.:smoke:

[tsl]

i've just got the matrix material from 1 to 5. that will be some reading :thumb_yello::wall::smoke:

[gita]

i've just got the matrix material from 1 to 5. that will be some reading :thumb_yello::wall::smoke:

I’ve not read the first four but Matrix 5 arrived in the post today - yep a lot of reading. Tsl please feel free to share your reading materials.:wink2:

[Mercuriel]

If You cannot afford the book(s) ATM - I place this Link here so as to get whoever may want to - Started...

Matrix 5 Teaser Material (http://www.trufax.org/matrix5/welcome.html)

:trumpet:

[gita]

If You cannot afford the book(s) ATM - I place this Link here so as to get whoever may want to - Started...

Matrix 5 Teaser Material (http://www.trufax.org/matrix5/welcome.html)

Now this link only has the first three books but it is a start for those without an Option.

:trumpet:

Thanks Mercuriel - the link actually jolted my memory that I already have those saved in one of my folders - duh! :thumb_yello:

[burgundia]

Here is a brief summary of Icke's newest book..
http://davidickebooks.co.uk/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=246

[Stardustaquarion]

Haven't read it yet but the subjects it touches on are on the Voyagers I and II, will try to get it

Love

[Gnosis5]

I'm working through the excerpts. Definitely stirring up memories.

[Gnosis5]

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[Mercuriel]

As I like to offer different perspectives and let Consciousness decide - I also offer this Link...

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/valerian.htm

:zip:

[HORIZONS]

As I like to offer different perspectives and let Consciousness decide - I also offer this Link...

http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/valerian.htm

:zip:

"A: Whoa! Calm down! Patience! We are trying to tell you something important, and you keep asking questions. We have told you many times to communicate with each other and network and share ideas, because that is how you LEARN and PROGRESS! But, you are beginning to rely on us for all your answers, and you do not LEARN that way!!!!!!! "

SOUNDS LIKE GOOD ADVISE SO FAR...

[Mercuriel]

Yes - I agree and as I took a greater look at the Material - I found certain "Issues" with It (Matrix 5) Myself. 43% of getting it right seems about right and while I haven't read It in detail (Matrix 5) by any stretch of the word - The Impression I got was to discern very heavily with this one. A Bad recipe is a bad recipe pure and simple. Try to get most of a recipe right and see how delicious that Meal turns out - LOL...

:shocked:

Addtionally - It would seem that only the Rich or those who can afford the Book are on a "Final Incarnational Experience" - No ?

That said - I could not find this eBook for DL (other than bitorrent). Now while I did find outlets that would send it to Me snailmail - The Price was ridiculous and only enforced My Impression of It as posted. When I have to pay for something that will enable Me and more importantly - The Human Race - To be Free of all of this BS and finally Progress - I get Red Flags instantly...

>Steps down off soap-box<

That said - To all others willing - Do as Thou Wilst...

:winksmiley02:

[HORIZONS]

Yes - I agree and as I took a greater look at the Material - I found certain "Issues" with It (Matrix 5) Myself. 43% of getting it right seems about right and while I haven't read It in detail (Matrix 5) by any stretch of the word - The Impression I got was to discern very heavily with this one. A Bad recipe is a bad recipe pure and simple. Try to get most of a recipe right and see how delicious that Meal turns out - LOL...

:shocked:

Addtionally - It would seem that only the Rich or those who can afford the Book are on a "Final Incarnational Experience" - No ?

That said - I could not find this eBook for DL (other than bitorrent). Now while I did find outlets that would send it to Me snailmail - The Price was ridiculous and only enforced My Impression of It as posted. When I have to pay for something that will enable Me and more importantly - The Human Race - To be Free of all of this BS and finally Progress - I get Red Flags instantly...

>Steps down off soap-box<

That said - To all others willing - Do as Thou Wilst...

:winksmiley02:

...or if you were meant to have it you would find a way :lol3:

Yes indeed, much discernment is needed. But then again in the day and time we live in we should discern everything. :thumb_yello:

[Mercuriel]

But then again in the day and time we live in we should discern everything. :thumb_yello:

I would even add to this by saying as You Increase - Your Discernment MUST...

:original:

[Gnosis5]

I am more interested in the beings who are above him. He talks about "Higher Self", but so far I see no reference to the All-that-is and our connection with it.

[HORIZONS]

I am more interested in the beings who are above him. He talks about "Higher Self", but so far I see no reference to the All-that-is and our connection with it.

Val did not write M5, he edited and published it, someone else going by "The Author" did. It is nothing like the other Matrix books that were by Val.
The Author does not believe in an All-That-Is. His stand is that our own Higher Self is the only god there is. And there are thousands of HS's having thousands of incarnations in the third density. When the HS is finished with this "game" it will spiral up and outta here to even higher densities for more experiences. But you would have to do a through read to really see all the info, which he says comes from his HS.

[Gnosis5]

Val did not write M5, he edited and published it, someone else going by "The Author" did. It is nothing like the other Matrix books that were by Val.
The Author does not believe in an All-That-Is. His stand is that our own Higher Self is the only god there is. And there are thousands of HS's having thousands of incarnations in the third density. When the HS is finished with this "game" it will spiral up and outta here to even higher densities for more experiences. But you would have to do a through read to really see all the info, which he says comes from his HS.

Perhaps something new is afoot, something that has never before been achieved in all the previous cycles of static -- an all knowing, all loving all powerful being, innocent AND wise, e.g., us. Perhaps no longer swept up in the cycle of re-birth of static.

In all my hundreds of hours of "looking" I have not yet met one higher self or bigger more powerful being (no matter how enlightened) who did not have polarity issues and traumatic incidents, right up to the point of their first individuation from the static. Have seen only false, polarized gods-unto-themselves. I think all of us played that role.

Perhaps I have to look further back.

[Gnosis5]

I would like further clarity on what he means when he says "Nexus of Time".

[Christo888]

Holy... I have to retract my statement :).. anyone who states the following has clearly lost the plot in my opinion

Quote:
# If you feel attraction to the opposite sex, you are experiencing a DNA program that was put there in order to encourage our species to reproduce. In other words, heterosexual attraction is an expression of our genetic slavery. Homosexuality is the natural sexual expression of advanced souls.
# The prime spiritual law is that like attracts like, and so our natural, non-programmed state is to be homosexual for it implies that our DNA programming has weakened to the point whereby we are not obsessed with the opposite sex.


This goes against all the major systems of reality I tend to agree with (Law of one by Ra, Seth speaks, personal experiences of my own etc).. Also for anyone to state they have the 100% of truth and that it is completely undebatable into the system of reality we are in right now.. is pure ignorance on their part.. There are always distortions to any kind of information as a result of personal bias or misconceptions (something repeated over many times in the law of one channeling for example)... so even though the author might have done OBEs .. those are hardly objective as anyone with any real experience will tell you... one single stray subconcious thought or program and you are completely lost in the experience..

I'd really just stick to the Seth Speaks book 1 (haven't read the others, maybe they are just as good) for a well done explanation about the dynamics of incarnations/individual experience. I can't think of any reason why one would bother with the inferior Matrix5 material (which ironically claims to be the most supreme and truth containing book ever in the whole human history...lol... incredible)

Well 'The Chosen' I might have to agree with you about that quote!

The above 'quote' I do not remember reading in the matrix material so first off is it a misquote to discredit the 'author' or is this what the author thinks? Because if so, then I would have a problem with his thinking about the law of attraction as being only 'like attracts like' and that a final incarnation probably likes the same sex. If that is what the author believes then now I really question all of his material. Sorry but to become gay to be in a final incarnation is extremely laughable:lol3::lol3::lol3: if the author wants to be gay then have at it… and ironically 'like repels like' in magnetism.:lmao: Also, I can tell the author really did not fully define all the arenas of the Law of Attraction as there are many attributes to the generalized term. 'Like attracts like' AND 'opposites also attract,' one just has to learn or understand what situation or circumstance they are currently in in order to 'see' the mechanics of the LOA play out. Male wants female, magnetic field North flows into magnetic field South, negative attracts positive, the darkness attracts the light... the entire universal structure of physicality depends on three things... positive, negative and ground, which are not part of ‘polarity.’

I am going to conclude that the above quote is false and is not from the ‘author’ of the matrix series.

[Gnosis5]

Thats just it -- you don't read M5 for the Author's knowledge of things, you read it for the EXPERIENCE. I completely disagree with some of the so-called knowledge in M5, I didn't read it to learn more truth. I read it because I was drawn to read it and it was, and continues to be, an experience I would have in no other way. I trust in no other source than my Higher Self - and M5 will help you,as an aid, to look within to that source.

Sounds like a very mature perspective.

Am aware of one of my higher aspects being a dragon mother type who has issues :naughty:

[Gnosis5]

Well 'The Chosen' I might have to agree with you about that quote!

The above 'quote' I do not remember reading in the matrix material so first off is it a misquote to discredit the 'author' or is this what the author thinks? Because if so, then I would have a problem with his thinking about the law of attraction as being only 'like attracts like' and that a final incarnation probably likes the same sex. If that is what the author believes then now I really question all of his material. Sorry but to become gay to be in a final incarnation is extremely laughable:lol3::lol3::lol3: if the author wants to be gay then have at it… and ironically 'like repels like' in magnetism.:lmao: Also, I can tell the author really did not fully define all the arenas of the Law of Attraction as there are many attributes to the generalized term. 'Like attracts like' AND 'opposites also attract,' one just has to learn or understand what situation or circumstance they are currently in in order to 'see' the mechanics of the LOA play out. Male wants female, magnetic field North flows into magnetic field South, negative attracts positive, the darkness attracts the light... the entire universal structure of physicality depends on three things... positive, negative and ground, which are not part of ‘polarity.’

I am going to conclude that the above quote is false and is not from the ‘author’ of the matrix series.

Felt there were definitely some "polarity addictions" being dramatized, as you point out. Also the constant reference to "sequentials" and "simultaneous" is an obvious polarity issue.

The TROM model of polarities, and its techniques can be helpful for those who wish to aggressively address fixed polarities. The author is Dennis Stephens. I use a more shotgun approach and my polarities, among other things, become unfixed or vanished as I come upon them at their source of inception.

[Gnosis5]

When he talks about sex with bodies at all, or body-to-body directly he is operating on a very low level in regards to that particular sensual pleasure.

To be expected, this is usually the creative dynamic that trips up almost everyone I know.

[Gnosis5]

RE: Circumcision:

http://www.cco.net/~trufax/matrix5/segments/circumcision.html

He is correct, but he again does not take it back to a more basic cause. What I encountered was an overlord being (looked like an Annunaki) on this planet who's reproductive cycle included being a larva. In the larva stage this being had his outer covering thinly sliced. This was a traumatic incident for him and he dramatized it on the human population by requiring males to be circumcised. Since his fellow brothers, as larvae, were also most likely given small cuts (exactly why, I did not see clearly), thus he had some across-the-board agreement.

My guess is that this was done on both species as a means to have the males focus on developing intelligence and zeal in other areas of life. Just a guess.

[TheChosen]

Well 'The Chosen' I might have to agree with you about that quote!

The above 'quote' I do not remember reading in the matrix material so first off is it a misquote to discredit the 'author' or is this what the author thinks? Because if so, then I would have a problem with his thinking about the law of attraction as being only 'like attracts like' and that a final incarnation probably likes the same sex. If that is what the author believes then now I really question all of his material. Sorry but to become gay to be in a final incarnation is extremely laughable:lol3::lol3::lol3: if the author wants to be gay then have at it… and ironically 'like repels like' in magnetism.:lmao: Also, I can tell the author really did not fully define all the arenas of the Law of Attraction as there are many attributes to the generalized term. 'Like attracts like' AND 'opposites also attract,' one just has to learn or understand what situation or circumstance they are currently in in order to 'see' the mechanics of the LOA play out. Male wants female, magnetic field North flows into magnetic field South, negative attracts positive, the darkness attracts the light... the entire universal structure of physicality depends on three things... positive, negative and ground, which are not part of ‘polarity.’

I am going to conclude that the above quote is false and is not from the ‘author’ of the matrix series.

It is a quote I took from the following review

http://www.energygrid.com/spirit/2008/05ap-matrixv.html

I don't know how it is presented in the books. I see now the price for these books is also pretty unreal (around 1K $ in total) ... just go to bittorrent and get them before you buy them so you make sure your money is well invested.. I downloaded several volumes and had a quick glimpse.. definately not something I intend to read.. delete :)

[HORIZONS]

Sounds like a very mature perspective.

Am aware of one of my higher aspects being a dragon mother type who has issues :naughty:

When I first started to read M5 I wanted to burn it :naughty: But I kept reading and found that it caused me to look deep within myself and why I am the way I am. It helped ME to see my own areas of trappings to this earth matrix so that I could deal with them on my own level, not because of what someone else has to say. M5 can have a profound impact if it is ALLOWED to. It must be understood the the Author's observations are HIS, and you are to have your own. Nothing in M5 is absolute, although that is how the Author writes--that is the style. That is in fact done on purpose to challenge you on many levels. Truly, the Author does not care if you believe him, but you will be affected by the reading of it.

[Mercuriel]

The facet of Polarity/Duality in this Material causes Me to see Hierarchy/Control and while that is quite a bit of the Experience in Matter - I AM sure that We can all say We'd prefer the Top-down approach so as to see within all Realities possible. Not the two floors below approach. To coin a phrase - "We all want to know Whos in the Top Floor Penthouse..." - Right ?

That said - Of course there are MANY HSs experiencing Knowledge Into Wisdom but then with that stated by the Author of the Book or It's proponents (Multiple HSs, etc.) Co-ordinate Representation seems to left out within the Understanding of the Unum and the Prime Creator.

All of these HSs are in fact - Co-ordinate Representations of the "One" - "All That Is" - "First Source and Center of All Things" and so to be truly honest and factual without Sophistry - The Prime Creator at It's Level of Understanding is the Oversoul of All the MANY Co-ordinately Representative HSs experiencing Knowledge Into Wisdom anywhere within the Unum.

In the Begining - "One".

In Fragmentation - "One" knows Itself through Experience VIA Co-ordinate Representation (Us and all other Interference Patterns/Thoughtforms in Manifestation) thereby coming to know Itself - In Limitless ways.

To leave this most basic Understanding out - How We - All of Us in Manifestation - Are "All That Is" in Oneness with the Prime Creator/Absolute Consciousness - Pushes Me away from this Material and should do the same to Others.

With that stated - Polarism/Duality is Hierarchy and Control - And the Choice for All as a First Level Decision to be made when related to the continuance of an Incarnational Experience is ;

Do I intend to Experience in Matter more, or not ? If the answer is Yes - Hierarchy is the Norm while in Matter. So thats the Choice really - Isn't It ? Reconnection with Source beyond Hierarchy - Or Expereince in Matter w/ Hierarchy under Separation from Source to varying degrees.

Even though Hierarchy lessens as Vibration Increases - Know this - We will have it as Experience in one form or another until We finally return to Source and become Not.

Or Static as a another here likes to display...

Lastly - I will add that while approx. 43% of this Info appears to display great Truths or Knowledge not commonly available as mentioned by others and not only Myself - If You read this Material - Ensure that You can Discern enough to be able to sift the "Wheat from the Chaff" (As I've already stated in a previous post) so as to be able to see where this Recipe is missing some very Important Ingredients...

:winksmiley02:

[Berob24]

Addtionally - It would seem that only the Rich or those who can afford the Book are on a "Final Incarnational Experience" - No ?

When I have to pay for something that will enable Me and more importantly - The Human Race - To be Free of all of this BS and finally Progress - I get Red Flags instantly...

That said - To all others willing - Do as Thou Wilst...


I completely agree! Especially with the part about having to pay for something (and how!) to benefit us... that is one of my personal bandwagons.

sorry I haven't figured out this quoting thing...I was responding to another's post- Mercunial, I think? I apologize if I slaughtered the spelling of your name. :(

[Mercuriel]

All is well - I have been called worse. Nothing but Love for You...

:winksmiley02:

[HORIZONS]

The facet of Polarity/Duality in this Material causes Me to see Hierarchy/Control and while that is quite a bit of the Experience in Matter - I AM sure that We can all say We'd prefer the Top-down approach so as to see within all Realities possible. Not the two floors below approach. To coin a phrase - "We all want to know Whos in the Top Floor Penthouse..." - Right ?

That said - Of course there are MANY HSs experiencing Knowledge Into Wisdom but then with that stated by the Author of the Book or It's proponents (Multiple HSs, etc.) Co-ordinate Representation seems to left out within the Understanding of the Unum and the Prime Creator.

All of these HSs are in fact - Co-ordinate Representations of the "One" - "All That Is" - "First Source and Center of All Things" and so to be truly honest and factual without Sophistry - The Prime Creator at It's Level of Understanding is the Oversoul of All the MANY Co-ordinately Representative HSs experiencing Knowledge Into Wisdom anywhere within the Unum.

In the Begining - "One".

In Fragmentation - "One" knows Itself through Experience VIA Co-ordinate Representation (Us and all other Interference Patterns/Thoughtforms in Manifestation) thereby coming to know Itself - In Limitless ways.

To leave this most basic Understanding out - How We - All of Us in Manifestation - Are "All That Is" in Oneness with the Prime Creator/Absolute Consciousness - Pushes Me away from this Material and should do the same to Others.

With that stated - Polarism/Duality is Hierarchy and Control - And the Choice for All as a First Level Decision to be made when related to the continuance of an Incarnational Experience is ;

Do I intend to Experience in Matter more, or not ? If the answer is Yes - Hierarchy is the Norm while in Matter. So thats the Choice really - Isn't It ? Reconnection with Source beyond Hierarchy - Or Expereince in Matter w/ Hierarchy under Separation from Source to varying degrees.

Even though Hierarchy lessens as Vibration Increases - Know this - We will have it as Experience in one form or another until We finally return to Source and become Not.

Or Static as a another here likes to display...

Lastly - I will add that while approx. 43% of this Info appears to display great Truths or Knowledge not commonly available as mentioned by others and not only Myself - If You read this Material - Ensure that You can Discern enough to be able to sift the "Wheat from the Chaff" (As I've already stated in a previous post) so as to be able to see where this Recipe is missing some very Important Ingredients...

:winksmiley02:

Respectfully:
Matrix V vol. 1 is 568 pages; vol. 2 is 240 pages; vol. 3 is 263 pages; vol. 4 is an online pdf and is still being added to and is hundreds of pages as well. How many of those pages have you read? Your comments are not even placed in the proper perspective of the materials, for you do not know the materials. This is like someone reading a couple of chapters of the Bible and then giving a commentary about it. The perspective needed comes about by being throughly knowledgeable about the work. The methodology of interpretation you are using is baseless since you have not read the materials. The books are about observations of the polarities in order to help free oneself of these polarities. It is not a dogmatic treatise of being in one or another polarity - and the all-that-is in this case is the reader. The questions that arise from reading the books are there to cause you to go within to That ONE source and receive your answers/guidance from that ONE. The books have had a profound impact in my understanding, and I am thankful I was not pushed away by uninformed opinion. But everyone MUST trust in their own Higher Self - God.

[Mercuriel]

I push no one away and have even agreed with You on this Material with the proviso that if People read it - They discern for themselves. Haven't You been reading what I've posted or have You centered on what You did not like about My Post(s) ? At any rate - TY for Your Perspective. You have Yours - I have mine and it is not Uninfomed. Our Opinions are obviously not the same. Have a great day...

:thumb_yello:

[Gnosis5]

The facet of Polarity/Duality in this Material causes Me to see Hierarchy/Control and while that is quite a bit of the Experience in Matter - I AM sure that We can all say We'd prefer the Top-down approach so as to see within all Realities possible. Not the two floors below approach. To coin a phrase - "We all want to know Whos in the Top Floor Penthouse..." - Right ?

That said - Of course there are MANY HSs experiencing Knowledge Into Wisdom but then with that stated by the Author of the Book or It's proponents (Multiple HSs, etc.) Co-ordinate Representation seems to left out within the Understanding of the Unum and the Prime Creator.

All of these HSs are in fact - Co-ordinate Representations of the "One" - "All That Is" - "First Source and Center of All Things" and so to be truly honest and factual without Sophistry - The Prime Creator at It's Level of Understanding is the Oversoul of All the MANY Co-ordinately Representative HSs experiencing Knowledge Into Wisdom anywhere within the Unum.

In the Begining - "One".

In Fragmentation - "One" knows Itself through Experience VIA Co-ordinate Representation (Us and all other Interference Patterns/Thoughtforms in Manifestation) thereby coming to know Itself - In Limitless ways.

To leave this most basic Understanding out - How We - All of Us in Manifestation - Are "All That Is" in Oneness with the Prime Creator/Absolute Consciousness - Pushes Me away from this Material and should do the same to Others.

With that stated - Polarism/Duality is Hierarchy and Control - And the Choice for All as a First Level Decision to be made when related to the continuance of an Incarnational Experience is ;

Do I intend to Experience in Matter more, or not ? If the answer is Yes - Hierarchy is the Norm while in Matter. So thats the Choice really - Isn't It ? Reconnection with Source beyond Hierarchy - Or Expereince in Matter w/ Hierarchy under Separation from Source to varying degrees.

Even though Hierarchy lessens as Vibration Increases - Know this - We will have it as Experience in one form or another until We finally return to Source and become Not.

Or Static as a another here likes to display...

Lastly - I will add that while approx. 43% of this Info appears to display great Truths or Knowledge not commonly available as mentioned by others and not only Myself - If You read this Material - Ensure that You can Discern enough to be able to sift the "Wheat from the Chaff" (As I've already stated in a previous post) so as to be able to see where this Recipe is missing some very Important Ingredients...

:winksmiley02:

I love the way you say it, and it is a higher aesthetic vibration expression of what I have been saying.

In Matter Universe there is always the apparency of someone being in the top floor penthouse being the Games Master. In my bottom up approach I am always finding that the Games Master is my own creation or Another allowed to serve me, to give me my "drug fix" or my reason for it. I must not know myself --opposing-- I must know myself.

In my work to undo or unwind all my windings and doings, i.e., obsessive/compulsive creates, I am going back up the same way I came down, "up" and "down" being convenient terms. I built something and now I am learning the tools to unbuild it.

We just left the wound up magic universe (see "Alice in Wonderland" movie for an idea of what it was like, at least for me and my co-players), and am now in the universe of concepts where the air is more rarified, but still we did have our problems and our disgruntlements with others. We are not yet the "ghost in the machine", just ghosts thinking about machines/matrices. :original:

I do not think the Matrix V materials covers this ground, so I am temporarily out of interest, and out of game, lol :original:

As one big eternal kid, I am learning how to take responsibility and clean up my room before I can go out and play again, ha, ha. One new rule I'm making: don't ever again carelessly leave pieces of myself strewn around universes. Perhaps in the next big game it won't even be an issue.

Also, the need to even have a Game I have to go and process as a possible compulsion, and what ever opposes it.

Big agreement with "The Author" about what he refers to as "polarity addicts". I can spot polarities a mile away now :-))

I certainly now have all the tools I need to enter into a "Final Incarnation" phase, and am scanning pasts and all possible futures to see why I would need to continue this Game -- always looking through a window, but never going through the door, especially now that I have the key to go through the door.

[Gnosis5]

Respectfully:
Matrix V vol. 1 is 568 pages; vol. 2 is 240 pages; vol. 3 is 263 pages; vol. 4 is an online pdf and is still being added to and is hundreds of pages as well. How many of those pages have you read? Your comments are not even placed in the proper perspective of the materials, for you do not know the materials. This is like someone reading a couple of chapters of the Bible and then giving a commentary about it. The perspective needed comes about by being throughly knowledgeable about the work. The methodology of interpretation you are using is baseless since you have not read the materials. The books are about observations of the polarities in order to help free oneself of these polarities. It is not a dogmatic treatise of being in one or another polarity - and the all-that-is in this case is the reader. The questions that arise from reading the books are there to cause you to go within to That ONE source and receive your answers/guidance from that ONE. The books have had a profound impact in my understanding, and I am thankful I was not pushed away by uninformed opinion. But everyone MUST trust in their own Higher Self - God.



Yes, I respect your call to read all the materials. Yes, I really really like the concept you put out that the Reader is the All-that-is. In fact, I had that very discussion today.

But hear this, when someone starts heatedly defending something to the point of jumping on someone else's case, it is a red flag for me. I've been in enough cults and fundamentalist groups now and am wiser for it :-)

Secretly I was hoping that the Matrix V materials would be as high or higher level corresponding to what I am subjectively experiencing, and that it might aid me to comprehend better what I am seeing/experiencing, not just another compulsive/obsessive games mockup to keep me trapped.

I have only read the freebie stuff, no torrent downloads. Would appreciate you if you can liberally sprinkle this thread with Fair Use quotes, thank you.

Can you please explain to me why so much attention is paid to the Sequential vs Simultaneous? It looks to me The Author needs to merge a polarity from whence this win/lose game came from -- or maybe I do :-)

One can say it is better to at least be on the positive side of the polarity, but I say Perfection is forever, so locate and rise above the Thought that caused the polarity in the first place.

Does The Author instruct on how to change the prime thought that caused the polarity that caused the sub-levels of games?

[HORIZONS]

Yes, I respect your call to read all the materials. Yes, I really really like the concept you put out that the Reader is the All-that-is. In fact, I had that very discussion today.

But hear this, when someone starts heatedly defending something to the point of jumping on someone else's case, it is a red flag for me. I've been in enough cults and fundamentalist groups now and am wiser for it :-)

Secretly I was hoping that the Matrix V materials would be as high or higher level corresponding to what I am subjectively experiencing, and that it might aid me to comprehend better what I am seeing/experiencing, not just another compulsive/obsessive games mockup to keep me trapped.

I have only read the freebie stuff, no torrent downloads. Would appreciate you if you can liberally sprinkle this thread with Fair Use quotes, thank you.

Can you please explain to me why so much attention is paid to the Sequential vs Simultaneous? It looks to me The Author needs to merge a polarity from whence this win/lose game came from -- or maybe I do :-)

One can say it is better to at least be on the positive side of the polarity, but I say Perfection is forever, so locate and rise above the Thought that caused the polarity in the first place.

Does The Author instruct on how to change the prime thought that caused the polarity that caused the sub-levels of games?

I hear you, note taken - emotional fire can be difficult to deal with at times.

[Gnosis5]

That's okay -- I defend my friends too :lightsabre:

[HORIZONS]

That's okay -- I defend my friends too :lightsabre:

Thanks for understanding.

Now to your questions:

"Secretly I was hoping that the Matrix V materials would be as high or higher level corresponding to what I am subjectively experiencing, and that it might aid me to comprehend better what I am seeing/experiencing, not just another compulsive/obsessive games mockup to keep me trapped."

It is definitely not designed to keep you trapped. Over and over again you are advised to trust ONLY in YOUR Higher Self. The observations of the Author are just that - his observations - he does not want any followers or credit for anything. He is just challenging the reader in his verbal expression. It is a challenge just to deal with his style of writing and demeanor - I personally think this is by design. If we can't get by/through his writing persona that says a lot more about us then him.

"I have only read the freebie stuff, no torrent downloads. Would appreciate you if you can liberally sprinkle this thread with Fair Use quotes, thank you."

I will give that a shot in future posts.

"Can you please explain to me why so much attention is paid to the Sequential vs Simultaneous? It looks to me The Author needs to merge a polarity from whence this win/lose game came from -- or maybe I do :-)"

That's a biggie. I'll give it a shot: We all started out as Seq's incarnating into this Milky Way at some point. As such we can have only one incarnation at a time, thus Seq. The Seq is able to keep all its previous life memories, but the evolutionary tract is very slow. Thus some of us - as Higher Selves - became bored with this slow process of the game. Along comes earth: After the original indigenous Earthers were genetically altered by alien races, the modern humanoid species provided a very unique opportunity for our HS's that were board with the status quo. The HS's found that they could take a leap into a Sim modality of incarnational experience, thus having hundreds of incarnations at the same time. The only drawback is that life memories are blocked. The Seq are not happy with the Sim's that made the leap, thus our planet is constantly being placed under some sort of control system by the Seq's to try and stifle our Sim progress. Sim's just want to gather all needed experiences and then get the heck out of dodge - to bigger and better things. Are you still there? :naughty:

"One can say it is better to at least be on the positive side of the polarity, but I say Perfection is forever, so locate and rise above the Thought that caused the polarity in the first place."

In a state of Balance you are not in either of the polarities, but have blended the best of them both into a singularity and are subject to no one external to You.

"Does The Author instruct on how to change the prime thought that caused the polarity that caused the sub-levels of games?"

He does not instruct. His take is we must learn how to become Observers of the game, and not be caught up in it, trapped by it. We alone must break the game loops that keep us here in the 3D world.

The game will do everything it can to keep you here and coming back for more. I'm looking for the back door. :lol3:

[Gnosis5]

Thanks for understanding.
Now to your questions:

It is definitely not designed to keep you trapped. Over and over again you are advised to trust ONLY in YOUR Higher Self.

Thanks for reminding me -- "The attitude is the trap" and it depends on my attitude that determines to a certain extent what I get out of it. I already felt some nice restimulation of ancient memories -- more grist for the mill :-)



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That's a biggie. I'll give it a shot: We all started out as Seq's incarnating into this Milky Way at some point. As such we can have only one incarnation at a time, thus Seq. The Seq is able to keep all its previous life memories, but the evolutionary track is very slow.


The Annunakis exemplify this to me. I just saw another one in my past today and I took at look at what the author said about sequentials and he fit it to a "T": Bored/superior, and envious/resentful/afeared. The higher up one's never lose their technological memories and capacities. However, I have noticed that they do get occlusions in their memories that contain trauma. Have not yet met such a being that had total past lives recall, although they do have longer recalls than the "Sims" do.

Let me refer you to "Alien Mind, a Primer": http://www.eyepod.org/AM-0-Index.html. Most likely the ones he calls the "Verdants" are "Sequentials".





Thus some of us - as Higher Selves - became bored with this slow process of the game. Along comes earth: After the original indigenous Earthers were genetically altered by alien races, the modern humanoid species provided a very unique opportunity for our HS's that were bored with the status quo. The HS's found that they could take a leap into a Sim modality of incarnational experience, thus having hundreds of incarnations at the same time.

That reads to me because I am aware of another body of "mine" located in the U.S, AND I am aware of being (or was) an aspect of a larger being (a "sequential" lol). Re Higher Self, it is me, and the identity here is me feeling myself in a more condensed way.

On a hodge podge peopled planet like this it makes a lot of sense that a being could expand and have more varied experiences simultaneously. I can see how being stuck on a conformist planet would shut one down from wanting to put out several identities at once, especially if you retained your past life memories and KNEW that you had already done it all before. It would be like being made to play elevator music for the next 10,000 years :-).

Do you think that the sequentials might also have a vested interest in keeping our lives short and hectic and segmented? What if we had all this buffet of experiences PLUS retained our full recall of them? Would we not wise up even faster? Perhaps then it would not have taken a buddhist devotee 200 lifetimes to make it to his next level. The Author probably covered all this under the category of "The Game": Obviously we all look at our history from different angles, depending on where we were at the time, and why we are doing the "looking".


The only drawback is that life memories are blocked. The Seq are not happy with the Sim's that made the leap, thus our planet is constantly being placed under some sort of control system by the Seq's to try and stifle our Sim progress. Sim's just want to gather all needed experiences and then get the heck out of dodge - to bigger and better things. Are you still there? :naughty:


In a state of Balance you are not in either of the polarities, but have blended the best of them both into a singularity and are subject to no one external to You.

Agreed, and I am in process of doing that so I know it is doable in one lifetime.

He does not instruct. His take is we must learn how to become Observers of the game, and not be caught up in it, trapped by it. We alone must break the game loops that keep us here in the 3D world.

The game will do everything it can to keep you here and coming back for more. I'm looking for the back door. :lol3:

According to quantum physics the Observer can be Cause by observing. I think he does say his material is for those who have already established some routines or practices of expanding awareness. Yes, detachment and regaining the ability to be unmoved. I do agree that the body is a big part of the Game traps here on earth at least. I think one could have a body and not be trapped, but it takes a lot of work.

What if we go out the way we came in? What would that require of us?

We could all just join "Gamers Anonymous" and follow the 12-step program, LOL!!