The future of Avalon and Camelot

[TheChosen]

Why is this website and forum important? I won't go into details .. the only thing I'll say is that whenever I needed a well rounded opinion from all possible aspects on a certain subject, I posted it on this forum and the quality of the replies was always very high.. which in turn spoke that this is pretty much the only place on the internet frequented by some very advanced people.. how you behave here has many consenquences.. and I can't / won't say more on the topic

Energies have gone down over the last year or so, paradoxically for the reason that many more people have discovered this place.. and as more 'average' people join, the energies keep falling. I won't say whether its a good or bad thing as such things are relative.. I am just stating the observation.

http://artfiles.art.com/5/p/LRG/6/672/8NWC000Z/merlin-and-fantasy.jpg

What this place desperately needs is a wind of fresh energy, clarifying energy sweaping the satturated growing bureacracy of too many moderators, too many rules, too much political correctness and too much following of principles. The very principles which were supposed to be only a beacon of light, have enslaved both Bill & Kerry into following them blindly at all costs (at the cost of shutting down the forum over a so called 'freedom of speech') and those that have picked sides..

A wind of dark energy is needed, filled with common sense, freed of enslaving principles and guided by only one law .. do as you will.. If this website manages to get to the next point and establishes the most needed balance between light and darkness.. great things await

Part of me wants to go full out and get involved and spill out all the details of how this could work, but this is not my battle.. I can only hope this website remains what it has been .. if not .. the torch is always passed

[lindabaker]

The controversy, as I can quickly gather, after my two week break from the forum, is mostly over a matter of removing content, that in Bill's, opinion, works against us all in terms of the "big picture." A decision to "pull" content should be the perogative of both of the founders. The big "thinking point" here is whether or not the founders should individually use and enforce their discernment skills. Is that loss of freedom? No, not really. Removing disinfo is a decision that is content based, not personal or political. When one founder knows not to give voice to those agents of wrong, dangerous, disinfo, they should have the right to do so. If it splits the Project into two paths, then that is the best way to Ensure free speech. A positive B and K mitosis, so to speak. This way, members can get the best of both worlds, choose what to read, but still have both founders able to express individual discernment of that most important content!

[orthodoxymoron]

A rhyme comes to mind:

To live in Heaven with the saints...oh that will be glory.
To live on Earth among the saints...now that's another story.

My thought:

When one stands upon a mountain-top...spirituality is easy.
When one argues on the internet...spirituality is difficult.

:original: Namaste :wink2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wink2: Freedom :original:

[hobbit]

The Chosen....Tell Me, do you consider Yourself above average?
Whatever criteria You are using?
If it's ego...well Your name says a lot.
How do?
hobbit

[TheChosen]

hobbit: I don't want to answer that question or take the discussion in that direction

[joe2288]

On the contrary. I think as long as Avalon does't get shut down it is going to

become more energetic I can feel it. This site has morphed into something on

it's own and Negative energies have tried to infiltrate, but failed miserably,

because of the bonds formed on here and the mutual understanding and respect

from most members to each other.

[Céline]

On the contrary. I think as long as Avalon does't get shut down it is going to

become more energetic I can feel it. This site has morphed into something on

it's own and Negative energies have tried to infiltrate, but failed miserably,

because of the bonds formed on here and the mutual understanding and respect

from most members to each other.


HEAR HEAR!!!

Kerry is on..i hope she reads your post

[JesterTerrestrial]

My dear friends some of whom I know personally and many whom I have not yet met.

I am sure the future is going to be GOLDEN!!!

Is there any other way?! :mfr_lol:

What we should do is start a suggestion thread for ideas that can make this place rock even more then it already dose! There is news about avalon 2.0 and that's about all I have heard.

I'm sure we all have some ideas. I got a few good ones floating around me ol noodle :) If the official team wants to hear some a thread asking for suggestions and ideas from us all would be a great place to start...maybe drop a hint as to what changes are being planned...some may work some will not but its the point of getting input from all who come here to make this place awesome. advanced or beginner we can all learn from each other!

PEACE JT!

[futureyes]

we seemed to have woven some tangled webs here of late ...
clarity of focus ... somewhat distorted ...
a necessity?
hmm ...

time to spin something new on this web ...
how to do ...

it will come ... like a breath of fresh air ...
respect though ... of one another's opinions ...
is a necessity ...

we are all here in this moment ... for a reason ...
don't you think?

i don't just think it ... i feel this is so ...
there is something significant of this web for certain ...

sooo ... the bugs are out ... let's continue creating ...
onwards and upwards ...
or is it ... upwards and onwards ...

matters not ... let's just keep moving k ... :thumb_yello:

namaste

:wub2:

:wub2:

[Majorion]

My dear friends some of whom I know personally and many whom I have not yet met.

I am sure the future is going to be GOLDEN!!!
A very positive outlook Jester, you have met another friend. :original:

[Steven]

The controversy, as I can quickly gather, after my two week break from the forum, is mostly over a matter of removing content, that in Bill's, opinion, works against us all in terms of the "big picture." A decision to "pull" content should be the prerogative of both of the founders. The big "thinking point" here is whether or not the founders should individually use and enforce their discernment skills. Is that loss of freedom? No, not really. Removing disinfo is a decision that is content based, not personal or political. When one founder knows not to give voice to those agents of wrong, dangerous, disinfo, they should have the right to do so. If it splits the Project into two paths, then that is the best way to Ensure free speech. A positive B and K mitosis, so to speak. This way, members can get the best of both worlds, choose what to read, but still have both founders able to express individual discernment of that most important content!

I really like what you have said Linda. I agree totally. I am an advocate of free speech and I am sure Bill is also. He did not demand the thread to be locked, he gave his own opinion. I understand his opinion, after all, we are guests here, it is not a public forum.

We should be able to say why we are in disagreement with a certain philosophy. Personally, I see the thuban material existing to confuse and divide. It is not the first time I come across that kind of perception and I find it hilarious sometimes. But it's only my opinion. If others see something interesting in this, then it should be let free. As our disagreement regarding the material.

Sometimes, there are as many opinion as the totality of people in a group. We just have to learn how to give our opinion without reacting to others opinions like if it were attack on our beleif system. After all, the thuban material is nearly all about beliefs and perception.

Namaste, Steven

[mudra]

A heart based experience creates positive changes .
Creating a greater coherence of hearts beyond and above mental dissonances is what will make the difference to the future of Avalon .
Its time everyone outgrowth it's inner dichotomies and steps out as the pure Loving essences that we are .

Love Always
mudra

[hobbit]

hobbit: I don't want to answer that question or take the discussion in that direction

I suppose a little hobbit is deemed too low down , or sub average???
Sorry, I don't see any difference in anyone, we are all one, it's just that we have forgotten so.
You're the one who proclaimed some sort of superiority and that others are below average, so sorry if you don't want to discusss it , but I will, and recognise the multitude of talents that all the posters on here have, and do not appreciate any talk of superiority by anyone, it's a short step to the nazi gas chambers with that sort of thinking.
Hobbit

[JesterTerrestrial]

so sorry if you don't want to discusss it , but I will


Classic :biggrin2:

[xbusymom]

On the contrary. I think as long as Avalon does't get shut down it is going to

become more energetic I can feel it. This site has morphed into something on

it's own and Negative energies have tried to infiltrate, but failed miserably,

because of the bonds formed on here and the mutual understanding and respect

from most members to each other.

I agree... this board has provided a quantum level of growth for me. It is wonderful to have a place to go to for a sounding-out of consciousness struggles ( and joys/revelations) and to be able to delve into issues and explore the possibilities in my spiritual journey. No one can do this alone.- I know- I have tried and I never get very far...

I understand that there are going to be squabbles, that is a given - as each of us tries to comprehend the implications of the facets of the issues within ourselves... I do understand that feathers can get ruffled in the guidance/correction process of each persons growth (I am not perfect either)... and I both agree and disagree on the censorship of strife... but I also realize that some of us are more spiritually mature than others and that there needs to be some sort of supervision to keep tempers tempered while we all attend to our own growth paths...

I sincerely hope to see this board continue onward (and upward) as i feel it is a vital component for all of us.

:thumb_yello:

[Kulapops]

My dear friends some of whom I know personally and many whom I have not yet met.

I am sure the future is going to be GOLDEN!!!

Is there any other way?! :mfr_lol:

What we should do is start a suggestion thread for ideas that can make this place rock even more then it already dose! There is news about avalon 2.0 and that's about all I have heard.

I'm sure we all have some ideas. I got a few good ones floating around me ol noodle :) If the official team wants to hear some a thread asking for suggestions and ideas from us all would be a great place to start...maybe drop a hint as to what changes are being planned...some may work some will not but its the point of getting input from all who come here to make this place awesome. advanced or beginner we can all learn from each other!

PEACE JT!

I like your style Jester ! I side with the optimists too !

Is there any other way indeed ??

Yes, of course there is ... but I like this one best.

(and That's what tiggers do best!)

As far as the suggestions box goes.. after a few forays into the chat room.. I'd just love to have some online game or other we could all swamp en masse. That would be hilarious. And I'm not talking about yahoo cribbage... Although.. if anyone fancies a game..! No. I mean imagine something like Nightfall or Sims - where we could interact in virtual 3d... lol...

Can we not have an Avalon Bar..where our avatars can meet and buy each other cocktails ?! What you type goes into speech bubbles.... :original:

No on second thoughts.. scrub it.... it might only increase the drama !

:original:

[hobbit]

Classic :biggrin2:

JesterTerrestial,
I consider the chosen ones post to be a CLASSIC.
A classic of division, they drees people up in silly uniforms to make them feel special....superior.
That post is everything that is wrong on here, cliques and little private clubs, the whole stupid site went to pay only???
You may as well form another branch of the masons if You follow that thinking.
There should be no division, nobody strutting about thinking their some form of film star or something, thats possibly what Kerry has fallen for?
Some pretty face telling Her She can be a star?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7Z8mHtmmxg&feature=related
hobbit

[bigmo]

The controversy, as I can quickly gather, after my two week break from the forum, is mostly over a matter of removing content, that in Bill's, opinion, works against us all in terms of the "big picture." A decision to "pull" content should be the perogative of both of the founders. The big "thinking point" here is whether or not the founders should individually use and enforce their discernment skills. Is that loss of freedom? No, not really.

Everything you said was perfect until we reached this point where your dangerous, disinformation starts.

Removing disinfo (who said it was disinfo? You make this sound as if it is a matter of fact but it's not so you are misleading your reader) is a decision that is content based, not personal or political. When one founder knows not to give voice to those agents of wrong, dangerous, disinfo, (now we move from just disinfo to wrong, dangerous, disinfo. Can you explain how the information you are referring to is dangerous?) they should have the right to do so. If it splits the Project into two paths, then that is the best way to Ensure free speech. A positive B and K mitosis, so to speak. This way, members can get the best of both worlds, choose what to read, but still have both founders able to express individual discernment of that most important content!

Please be a little more careful of the language you use. Is it necessary to call someones information that they have spend valuable time developing, as dis-info and dangerous? Why would you say this unless you wish to push an agenda or have proof to the contrary.

Do you have proof?

Please don't 'protect' me or this forum from 'dangerous information'. We are quite capable of making that determination on our own.

Peace

[Greetings]

There is Yin and Yang in internet forums as well.

If we can succeed in taking this to "the next level", we will discover things exponentially to what we are now.


Look above, Seek within
Find a single grain of sin
Not blot it out, nor let it consume
But be aware, to let other things bloom.

May your choice choose well
May the light be seen
Banish the thought of a hell
For all things shall soon be green.
:original::original::original:

[5thElement]

"No on second thoughts.. scrub it.... it might only increase the drama !"
Kulapops

:mfr_lol: I thought you already learned your lesson with on-line interactive avatars:lol3:

IMO - I have learned as much, or maybe more from everyone who participates on this forum as I have from the PC videos. However, if it wasn't for the PC videos and webpage, I would never have found this forum:original:

There is a need for both to continue and this maybe this is the catalyst for new growth.

El

PS - it is possible that I may learned more than I wanted to know on the chat.....:yikes: (kidding)

[JesterTerrestrial]

JesterTerrestial,
I consider the chosen ones post to be a CLASSIC.
A classic of division, they drees people up in silly uniforms to make them feel special....superior.
That post is everything that is wrong on here, cliques and little private clubs, the whole stupid site went to pay only???
You may as well form another branch of the masons if You follow that thinking.
There should be no division, nobody strutting about thinking their some form of film star or something, thats possibly what Kerry has fallen for?
Some pretty face telling Her She can be a star?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7Z8mHtmmxg&feature=related
hobbit

Hobbit, I do agree that we all have a role to play. Its obvious to me because here we are. Going pay was not such a bad idea IMHO because the truth sayers are a minority and somehow we had to guide the REVOLUTION that AVALON IS! Did you see the crap that was posted...what about after the subscription ended...look at the wonderful posts that were added. I saw a few more of those today.

The team has done a great job for the most part minus a few little bumps here and there. But com on look what were doing! Look what we have been up against! I do not think Kerry is falling for anything. I have not met her or Bill in person but have a great deal of respect for them both. The work they did seriously saved my life! I was a lost soul and the connections that have happened since I joined this amazing virtual community are "out of this world"! The next phase is gonna be intense!

We are all important! Your special, just like everyone else! :thumb_yello:
However some folks seem to have a great responsibility.

I do believe it is way past time to polarize our intentions positive. No time to start like now. We must rise above and work as a team to be able to functionaly help humanity into the golden age! peace jt!

[Kulapops]

[COLOR="Orange"]
IMO - I have learned as much, or maybe more from everyone who participates on this forum as I have from the PC videos. However, if it wasn't for the PC videos and webpage, I would never have found this forum:original:

There is a need for both to continue and this maybe this is the catalyst for new growth.

El



I agree wholeheartedly. I think the people of Avalon are fast becoming its biggest resource, including all our relative journeys of self discovery.

That's why it's a shame when the forum goes down... and you find yourself looking for friends in the chat room.

When you think of the hundreds of members of Avalon, don't you think that it's amazing that we get along so well?

I think we should be pleased with that... and gratitude is definitely due to the Mods and to B & K for facilitating this learning arena.

for me, the vids are now totally secondary. For one, I'm not as worried anymore as I should/could be... and two.....er..., two... oh well, someone wake me up when we have some decent UFO footage !

That's another great thing about this forum ! When I first found camelot, I had no one to ask, so I watched everything ! Now I have the views of people I trust or know to go on... so you get to read about it on the forum first before investing an hour and a half of your life.

(still, that hour and a half tends to end up spent in the forum.. no I'm not sure if I'm really winning.... :original:)

K

[TheChosen]

Some people really can't wait to start a fight, lucky for them they are not worth the fight (referencing to hobbit).. as I said in my initial posts.. energies have been dropping around here lately

[Frank Samuel]

The inner struggles reflect our outer struggles with each other. I think it is a very difficult job to separate yourself from the information and people you interview. It can have an effect on both a positive and a negative level. As project avalon and project camelot are frequented by so many cyber users across the globe we will get smother with all kinds of energy. It is up to each one of us to maintain our composure amid the storm.
The quality of information posted on this forum is overall very high. We are all contributors , lets continue adding positive value to this forum with our participation in it. Those that have hidden agendas will be affected by the contagious virus of respect and love that we all share for one another irregardless of differences of opinions, backgrounds , believes, philosophies, religions,etc..

Blessings to all...:original::thumb_yello::wub2:

[hippihillbobbi]

"The quality of information posted on this forum is overall very high. We are all contributors , lets continue adding positive value to this forum with our participation in it. Those that have hidden agendas will be affected by the contagious virus of respect and love that we all share for one another irregardless of differences of opinions, backgrounds , believes, philosophies, religions,etc.."

HERE HERE, Frank! :thumb_yello: I appreciate your putting it so well .... gratitude, respect and love ..... REGARDLESS ...... that's the "ticket" imo!!

love,
hippihillbobbi

[Humble Janitor]

I see the Thuban stuff as disinfo because it is just too self-centered to make any sense. Read the first post and tell me that it's not something out of an erotic novel.

Anyone with a computer and a creative mind can type up stuff and claim to be from another galaxy. That's the problem with this site. We're giving too much of our energy to such things and we're not getting physical proof that these entities are real.

Call me close-minded if you want but at least I took the time to read some of that forum.

[hobbit]

Some people really can't wait to start a fight, lucky for them they are not worth the fight (referencing to hobbit).. as I said in my initial posts.. energies have been dropping around here lately

YOU are what is typically WRONG, I am not picking any fight of any sort, just sick to death of the system where people place others in sort of league tables, ususlly with themselves at the top.
It's used to divide everyone, and to keep the general population in servitude.

"Lucky for them they are not worth the fight( referencing to hobbit)"

That sums up what I am sick to the back teeth of totally, moronic garbage that leads to self superiority and detachment , where one set of people think others are disposable.
Who the F*** do You think YOU are ????????
Hobbit

[Ross H]

YOU are what is typically WRONG, I am not picking any fight of any sort, just sick to death of the system where people place others in sort of league tables, ususlly with themselves at the top.
It's used to divide everyone, and to keep the general population in servitude.

"Lucky for them they are not worth the fight( referencing to hobbit)"

That sums up what I am sick to the back teeth of totally, moronic garbage that leads to self superiority and detachment , where one set of people think others are disposable.
Who the F*** do You think YOU are ????????
Hobbit

Hello,

Hobbit I hear you,

Chosen you also,

Now lets stop the fight, Sort it please, JT's posts are a worthy read.

Peace

[TheChosen]

hobbit: Thanks for making my point. Making a whole load of assumptions about someone you don't know (me in this case) and having wild & wrong interpretations of my post about Nazis and gas chambers will get you nowhere.. As already stated I won't take this discussion in that direction.

[FreeLoveConciousness]

"Divide and conquer"....Bill and Kerry are been divided,now all that has to be done is conquer.

As much as i hate to see it...this is what i see.

WE NEED UNITY....PLEASE RECONSIDER

[Kulapops]

"Divide and conquer"....Bill and Kerry are been divided,now all that has to be done is conquer.

As much as i hate to see it...this is what i see.

WE NEED UNITY....PLEASE RECONSIDER

Erm... I don't believe so. Do we need someone to maintain a certain state of being so that we can feel at peace?

Not likely.

Unity comes from allowing to the world to unfold as it does. Things that are out of your control are out of your control. My world today is the same as it was last week, only it has changed. :original: I am happy that it has changed.

Where is the division? There is only change and growth.

You are a day older today than you were yesterday.

Is that dying or is that living?

Your choice.

K

[lindabaker]

Please be a little more careful of the language you use. Is it necessary to call someones information that they have spend valuable time developing, as dis-info and dangerous? Why would you say this unless you wish to push an agenda or have proof to the contrary.

Do you have proof?

Please don't 'protect' me or this forum from 'dangerous information'. We are quite capable of making that determination on our own.

Peace

I am not pushing any agenda, nor am I trying to protect you. You have the right to read anything that Project Avalon contains. You have the right to your opinion, and I am not asking you to prove what you know. Maybe what you know, and what I know, are different. I respectfully reserve the right to say that. Now, if Bill Ryan is questioning content, he has that right as this is his forum. As to proof, I may decide to go through, post by post, and back up my statements. It's so obvious, though, that I am not motivated to use up forum space to do that, really. Again, obvious in my opinion. I respect your right to disagree. Linda

[Anchor]

Some people really can't wait to start a fight, lucky for them they are not worth the fight (referencing to hobbit).. as I said in my initial posts.. energies have been dropping around here lately

Well put some more effort in then instead of complaining about it and thereby making it even worse.

I actually know you can do that if you want. You got the chops for this.

John..

[TheChosen]

Anchor, I understand what you are saying but as I said even though a part of me wants to get fully involved, this is really not my battle.. these are only symptoms of a much deeper problem that needs to be solved by Bill and Kerry. I tried to write few thoughts on the direction this could go in my initial post but its as far as I can go

[Kulapops]

Anchor, I understand what you are saying but as I said even though a part of me wants to get fully involved, this is really not my battle.. these are only symptoms of a much deeper problem that needs to be solved by Bill and Kerry. I tried to write few thoughts on the direction this could go in my initial post but its as far as I can go

I don't think Bill and Kerry need to solve any problems other than their own.

I think it's great that we can post our concerns and our desires. I guess we are all as fully involved as we want to be. I wish I was less 'fully involved' but I can't seem to stop myself from posting....

Anchor... when is my temporal ban coming up please ????

I guess, the chosen, however much you feel like posting or not is also fine. You are fully involved as much as you can be.. or you'd post less/more or you'd post differently. But talking about wanting to post more but not being able too is surely likely to engage the curious... It's like not telling the end of a story...

K

[Steven]

I am not pushing any agenda, nor am I trying to protect you. You have the right to read anything that Project Avalon contains. You have the right to your opinion, and I am not asking you to prove what you know. Maybe what you know, and what I know, are different. I respectfully reserve the right to say that. Now, if Bill Ryan is questioning content, he has that right as this is his forum. As to proof, I may decide to go through, post by post, and back up my statements. It's so obvious, though, that I am not motivated to use up forum space to do that, really. Again, obvious in my opinion. I respect your right to disagree. Linda

Dear Linda, the burden of proof does not fall on your shoulder, it is a misleading rhetoric. If I claim that there is 43 dimensions and 91 Universes all fold into one sphere of consciousness and then say prove to me that what I say is false. It is rather illogical, because it is mine to prove that what I say is true. Incredible claim ask for incredible facts said Carl Sagan.

Namaste, Steven

[hobbit]

hobbit: Thanks for making my point. Making a whole load of assumptions about someone you don't know (me in this case) and having wild & wrong interpretations of my post about Nazis and gas chambers will get you nowhere.. As already stated I won't take this discussion in that direction.

I,ve about had it with YOU, I am making no assumptions at all, I am deeply offended by YOUR opening post on this thread inferring that some posters are in some way inferior to others, thats not assumptions or any such thing, it is highly offensive to even infere such thoughts, and surely the very essence of what needs weeding out of our present elitist society.
I don't want any discussion with thee t'old flower, don't fret about that.

I have kept fairly quiet whilst on this forum, but I reckon it's time for us little people to wake up and and say our peace.
NOBODY is better than anyone else, there are those with extra field auras about them ,autistic in particuler, with many of the youngsters out to 55 feet diameters.
Hobbit, set to ramble.

[bigmo]

Dear Linda, the burden of proof does not fall on your shoulder, it is a misleading rhetoric. If I claim that there is 43 dimensions and 91 Universes all fold into one sphere of consciousness and then say prove to me that what I say is false. It is rather illogical, because it is mine to prove that what I say is true. Incredible claim ask for incredible facts said Carl Sagan.

Namaste, Steven

Steven you missed the point as you do many times.

Lindas' assertions that the information was 'wrong, dis-info and dangerous' was non other than a value judgment placed upon a post by 'her' evaluation. ( so if I show up wearing a blue dress and she wishes for it to be pink... then I must change my dress to suit her needs)

I simply pointed out to her that it was 'her value' judgment and did not reflect the values of all participants.

I have no 'burden of proof' to you, Linda or anyone else about what I choose to post or not to post, or what I choose to believe or not believe.

If this is position that the owners of Avalon are angling for? Hmmmm... I wonder.

Peace

[THE eXchanger]

THE FUTURE BELONGS TO ALL OF US

not, just some of us !!!

the sooner we realise that, the better

[THE eXchanger]

the time for fan clubs - is OVER !!!

[Mercuriel]

I would say that when prompted with Polarity - The better course of reason is Allowance for those needing it and Understanding with those Allowing It...

Please Let Me explain. After this Weekend - Perhaps We all should look deep within. I know I AM...

Simply put - I Love You All but when I see Members dipping into Polarity - Defending this and Fighting that - All I see is a Defender getting a Fighter and a Fighter getting a Defender.

That said - I must agree. When anyone puts Themselves above another or implies It - We step down a dangerous Path - But I must also say - When We fight with Our Brother or Defend Our Sister, etc. - We're only playing the same Old Games We've always played...

I offer that We recommit Ourselves to be better than We were previously. Faster than We were before - Stronger - Able to Jump Higher - Steve Austin will be that Man - The World's first 6 Million Dollar - Ehmm Ooops - NM...

:winksmiley02:

Love to You All...

[THE eXchanger]

WORSHIP OTHERS ONLY TO THE DEGREE THEY WORSHIP YOU !!!

then, and, only then, will 'real' eXchanges in this world take place

iT iS a TiME, to even many fields

quite frankly, we are sick and tired
of actor/actress - who make millions, and, millions of dollars
of sports figures - who make millions, and, millions of dollars
and, of politicans - who get pensions, for life, for one term of service

it is ALL INSANE

we need to stop supporting the parts of the world
that operate like this

WE NEED TO ALL START TO SUPPORT EACH OTHER

and, WE ALL need to do that NOW !!!

if we had ever thought,
we would put in tons and tons of energy
in the way of posts to a posting board
and, NOT get so much, as, a thank you for doing so
and, to be considered part of someone else's fan club
a little nothing/or a little no-body
quite frankly, we would NOT of done it

(esp; the rule - put in long after many of us,
had put in a lot of effort)

that you believe-YOU OWN OUR WORK

that part, is literally disguisting !!!

YOU DO NOT OWN US, or OWN any of US
and, if you take our work - and, you publish it
it better be done, with actual acknowledgements,
and, CREDITS !!!

OTHERWISE, you are nothing more, than two thieves

Since, the original goal,
was supposed to be about ALL OF US,
and, the sooner, some of 'the us' get it/and, get that
the sooner, we ALL will actually accomplish
many things of great value !!!

let's face it, would anyone put up a lot of their work
and, then, do it, so, bill and kerry own it ???

we think NOT !!!

that rule was NOT in force, at the time, these sites were opened
it is amongst the one thing, that really irks me right now
and, there must be SOME sort of clarification made to that

how on earth, could you take my words/or someone else's words
and, publish them, as, your own words ???

that is NOT operating in truth

[THE eXchanger]

I offer that We recommit Ourselves to be better than We were previously. Faster than We were before - Stronger - Able to Jump Higher - Steve Austin will be that Man - The World's first 6 Million Dollar - Ehmm Ooops - NM...

:winksmiley02:

Love to You All...

we are with you, on that wisdom mercuriel - thank you for sharing it :)

[Steven]

Steven you missed the point as you do many times.

:original: I could say the same about you Bigmo...

Lindas' assertions that the information was 'wrong, dis-info and dangerous' was non other than a value judgment placed upon a post by 'her' evaluation.

Of course it was her opinion. And her opinion does not need to be proven as you ask her to do so.

I simply pointed out to her that it was 'her value' judgment and did not reflect the values of all participants.

Of course, but it is the perception of many participants and as its value to be mentionned.

I have no 'burden of proof' to you, Linda or anyone else about what I choose to post or not to post, or what I choose to believe or not believe.

Not you, but Abraxassinas does.

If this is position that the owners of Avalon are angling for? Hmmmm... I wonder.

I hope... If not, any kind of disinfos could be bought as truth and the misleading, disruption and conflicts simply increases...

Peace

Namaste, Steven

[bigmo]

hehe... Peace to you Steven

[Frank Samuel]

My friends we have an incredible opportunity to transcend beyond the walls of negative bickering. Kerry and Bill will sorted out on their own. Their relationship has grown through many levels. They have also met in past lives. It is no coincidence that they have met in this lifetime again. The respect and love they share for one another will transcend their differences of opinions and head strong ways. By maintaining our composure it will certainly contribute to the healing of these two wonderful and incredible loving people . It is our opportunity to size the moment and give them our support by sharing our love and concern for them. Thank you all .

Blessings and a big hug to everyone here. :original::thumb_yello::wub2::wub2::wub2:

[Malletzky]

Bigmo:

If this is position that the owners of Avalon are angling for? Hmmmm... I wonder.

Steven

I hope... If not, any kind of disinfos could be bought as truth and the misleading, disruption and conflicts simply increases...

In this case, if this comes true and I unfortunately see this comming, this forum(s) will only remain as a stage for a group of some likeminded people, whose perceptions of 'the reality' match together and all other 'disinfo' and 'otherminded' people will be excluded by 'law' (guidelines).

BRAVO! or better said...AVE CAESAR.

[Instead]

Well, I for one do not think I am special or gifted. My life has been a struggle for as far back as I can see. I try to remember that my thoughts are attracting my reality. Still I struggle.

Maybe a post like this, in and of itself, lowers the overall vibration, but average or not, I am hear to learn a better way. I didn't grow up around people like in this forum. This is my opportunity to learn and hope a better understanding rubs off onto me in the process.

The Chosen, your words have made me feel a little unwelcome in the presents of others that are further along than me. I know I am responsible for how I choose to feel. I'm just giving you my initial response.

[TheChosen]

Instead: At one point or another each one of us gets to a situation where they enter a group where everyone else seems to be further along the path, be it a taxi driver group a meditation group or a soccer team.. If you have been truly unwelcome you would never be allowed to join this place in the first place.. so I wouldn't make much of it and use the most of it.

This place remains 'the' best place on the internet for an overview of all these fields where you can find many people willing to help you send you in the direction of your interest.

[justpeter]

Well, I for one do not think I am special or gifted. My life has been a struggle for as far back as I can see. I try to remember that my thoughts are attracting my reality. Still I struggle.

Maybe a post like this, in and of itself, lowers the overall vibration, but average or not, I am hear to learn a better way. I didn't grow up around people like in this forum. This is my opportunity to learn and hope a better understanding rubs off onto me in the process.

The Chosen, your words have made me feel a little unwelcome in the presents of others that are further along than me. I know I am responsible for how I choose to feel. I'm just giving you my initial response.

Very well said Instead. I've been on this path for about 25 years this lifetime and I think I have quite a bit to contribute to this forum but when I joined I didn't give myself an egotistical User ID - I'm just Peter:original:

And I welcome posts from anyone who wants to learn because, like many people, I hope that something I may say will point someone in the right direction for their own spiritual journey and something they say might help me.

We're all learning something here - every single one of us:original:

[Steven]

...In this case, if this comes true and I unfortunately see this comming, this forum(s) will only remain as a stage for a group of some likeminded people, whose perceptions of 'the reality' match together and all other 'disinfo' and 'otherminded' people will be excluded by 'law' (guidelines).

BRAVO! or better said...AVE CAESAR.

Well, my opinion is that it does not mean tyranny, it means balance. A free for all philosophy forum is certainly not the initial purpose for Avalon, which was base on the 'groundcrew' organization from the 'handbooks of the New Paradigm' series.

My opinion is that we should be able to say our opinion without being treated with condescension. I never attacked anyone personally, but always referes to the thuban material and philosophy. On the other hand, I was qualified as arrogant, like if I had a greater understanding, a broader incite and superior knowledge, simply because I was saying my opinion about the thuban material.

The very people who claim to defend free speech are the ones making personal attack and making a strom into a glass of water.

If we are not able to say our opinion on this forum without being treated with condescension, then yes it becomes CESAR domain as you put it.

Peace to you too Bigmo, no offense taken, I only question philosophies and ideas, not people.

Namaste, Steven

[hobbit]

As an average little hobbit,
I find and sense a duality both about the planet and about all lifeforms created upon it.
There is a discernable change taking place, an increase in resonance frequencies, and this is causing all to stress under this alteration.
the net result is an uprising of the emittance from the planet, this is detectable as feminine, and is opposite in spin to the incoming male.
Hopefully this will lead to a period( litterally) where the present out of balance male dominated left brained war crazed time is thrown out.
Then a more balanced time can arise where the males begin to utilise fully their right hand brains, most are presently locked into the left hand brain which is easily corrupted and controlled.

The problems are clear that all are facing, the present needs tearing apart to allow a new golden age to start.
This forum needs to fully demonstrate that balance, not to be dragged into more control and left brained elitist thinking.
When the hobbits appear out of a hole in the ground, prepare for change, the dragon that is corperate greed needs locking back in its cage.
Hobbitc

[bigmo]

By the way Steven, where is.... Temiscouata?

Peace

[Malletzky]

Well, my opinion is that it does not mean tyranny, it means balance. A free for all philosophy forum is certainly not the initial purpose for Avalon, which was base on the 'groundcrew' organization from the 'handbooks of the New Paradigm' series.

My opinion is that we should be able to say our opinion without being treated with condescension. I never attacked anyone personally, but always referes to the thuban material and philosophy. On the other hand, I was qualified as arrogant, like if I had a greater understanding, a broader incite and superior knowledge, simply because I was saying my opinion about the thuban material.

The very people who claim to defend free speech are the ones making personal attack and making a strom into a glass of water.

If we are not able to say our opinion on this forum without being treated with condescension, then yes it becomes CESAR domain as you put it.

Peace to you too Bigmo, no offense taken, I only question philosophies and ideas, not people.

Namaste, Steven

Steven, this forum is perfectly ballanced .. NOW, at this very moment. Ballancing 'both sides' of the libra is the mastery...but ballancing only one side...not really.

Each one of us contributes here with his own gained spiritual and other knowledge, and we seem to have forgoten that to share our knowledge (say opinion as well) and our love is the noblest thing we could do. So yes, I agree with you when you say: My opinion is that we should be able to say our opinion without being treated with condescension.

Despite the fact that this forum was 'planned' on the base on the 'groundcrew' organization from the 'handbooks of the New Paradigm' series, this forum has actually became one of the best places you could find on internet, with so many different and interresting topics.

There are so many different souls here...highly spiritualy advanced people, healers, light and energy holders....aaahhhh, really, we're so different...and so alike :wub2: in our hearts....and there are also so many here who are still say 'earthly bounded' people (please don't feel offended here avalonians, I was 'earthly bounded' myself for more then 30 years of my life) who came here to find themself first, before they can continue to find the 'truth' (each one with his own perception).

To improve this forum...YES...but not to start new! Starting new will only divide the people here who will 'take a side'...with Bill/with Kerry.

These woderfull ballanced energies here will be divided...and this place will only become a shadow of the once BIG and STRONG AVALON comunity.

It's not our decision...but we can do one thing...forgive ourselves, forgive 'the other' despite all differences...and move on. No matter in which direction.

We're not finished here on this planet. NONE OF US.

with much respect
malletzky

[Steven]

By the way Steven, where is.... Temiscouata?

Peace

It's a region at the begining of the Appalache. Between Riviere-du-Loup (Quebec) and Edmunston (New Brunswich). Do you want to come? :original:

Namaste, Steven

[Carol]

Chosen, I both agree and disagree with your statement, "What this place desperately needs is a wind of fresh energy, clarifying energy sweaping the satturated growing bureacracy of too many moderators, too many rules, too much political correctness and too much following of principles. The very principles which were supposed to be only a beacon of light, have enslaved both Bill & Kerry into following them blindly at all costs (at the cost of shutting down the forum over a so called 'freedom of speech') and those that have picked sides..

A wind of dark energy is needed, filled with common sense, freed of enslaving principles and guided by only one law .. do as you will.. If this website manages to get to the next point and establishes the most needed balance between light and darkness.. great things await."

Yes, it would be nice to have a wind of fresh energy. However, I do not agree that there are too many moderators. Having been a moderator on this form I know it requires someone to be available 24/7. The moderators are from all over the globe so as to help cover the different time zones. And having been the only moderator on ~ when we sometimes had 700 posters logged in on the site ~ and trying to stay awake until another mod logged on from England or Australia was often a huge personal sacrifice and challenge for me. Especially given that my bedtime was 3 hours earlier before another mod was able to relieve me. You have no idea of what responsibility that was given also that there are those who would love to take down the site and did attack it from time to time or deal with the Russian porn posters.

Next, unfortunately the forum's founders tend to take their battles into the public arena. Kerry in particular, which is why so many of the mods and administrators quit last year as she was also sending them personal emails and attempting to involve them in her dispute with Bill back at the end of 2008. We all felt what was going on was between her and Bill and would have just as soon been left out the fracas. This past and current behavior clearly demonstrates Kerry's clear lack of personal boundaries when it came to her disagreements with Bill that eventually drag others into something that should have remained a private affair. Since they now have a public arena to work out their differences (the forum, at conferences, on the radio, on youtube, in personal blogs) those who are following their personal drama tend to get polarized. In my personal opinion we do not have all the facts for such behavior and it is best that we don't as again this is not our business.

The bottom line is that Bill and Kerry are in a state of evolution on both a personal level, as a couple, and as business partners. I say couple because there is that level of interaction that exists when people work together, eat together, share a room together and travel together. From a clearly observational point of view I see them as a dynamic team in many ways professionally where they complement each other. However, on a personal level the relationship is toxic. Glynis McCant, the number's lady describes how some couples have toxic numbers and subsequently those relationships don't work out. It is not a fit and no one is to blame.

The wind of dark energy that has been at work here originated with the founders and one particular witness which subsequently created a state of disillusionment for those closest to the core situation. It is unfortunate that the forum has been dragged into the middle of these various disputes, yet the forum still exists and is even stronger as a result. What makes the forum strong are the members, not the founders and not the witnesses. Strength comes from the personal commitment of the members for truth and integrity irrespective of how unpleasant the truth can be at times.

And let us always remember that great things have been happening all along. Great things will continue to happen as long as members choose to participate and share the wealth of their knowledge. Light and dark balance out by the dance and interplay that takes place between the two and this is something we are all witness to on a daily basis.

And let us also remember that Kerry and Bill are just two human beings like the rest of us ~ no better, no worse ~ just two people on an evolutionary path toward enlightenment.

And finally, the thought of "do as you will" does not resonate with me at all, unless the words spiritual integrity and commitment to truth are added. The key rule on this forum is one of mutual respect. Members are expected to follow the golden rule, "Do unto others as you would have done to you." I find this is one of the few forums where this is the predominate rule that members are expected to abide by. That in and of itself elevates this forum in terms of consciousness. It also allows for differences of opinions, different viewpoints, disagreements and much personal growth.

As for now, I hope we can all step back and allow Bill and Kerry to work out their differences. The best that we can do is wish them the best and move on from the drama. Let's let them work their situation out without adding further input or taking sides.

[Steven]

Steven, this forum is perfectly ballanced .. NOW, at this very moment. Ballancing 'both sides' of the libra is the mastery...but ballancing only one side...not really.

Each one of us contributes here with his own gained spiritual and other knowledge, and we seem to have forgoten that to share our knowledge (say opinion as well) and our love is the noblest thing we could do. So yes, I agree with you when you say: My opinion is that we should be able to say our opinion without being treated with condescension.

Despite the fact that this forum was 'planned' on the base on the 'groundcrew' organization from the 'handbooks of the New Paradigm' series, this forum has actually became one of the best places you could find on internet, with so many different and interresting topics.

There are so many different souls here...highly spiritualy advanced people, healers, light and energy holders....aaahhhh, really, we're so different...and so alike :wub2: in our hearts....and there are also so many here who are still say 'earthly bounded' people (please don't feel offended here avalonians, I was 'earthly bounded' myself for more then 30 years of my life) who came here to find themself first, before they can continue to find the 'truth' (each one with his own perception).

To improve this forum...YES...but not to start new! Starting new will only divide the people here who will 'take a side'...with Bill/with Kerry.

These woderfull ballanced energies here will be divided...and this place will only become a shadow of the once BIG and STRONG AVALON comunity.

It's not our decision...but we can do one thing...forgive ourselves, forgive 'the other' despite all differences...and move on. No matter in which direction.

We're not finished here on this planet. NONE OF US.

with much respect
malletzky

I totally agree with you. And we should be mature enough to express our disagreement with respect and always have a place to other opinions.

I see the line of confusion between person and ideas are often crossed. That is the reason for us to be aware of it. After all, we are different and that is what makes humanity so special. At the same time, we share an inner common link with Creation, that is what makes us all connected.

I think there are a lot of exageration driven by emotion. We only react to what is happening at a greater scale at this moment.

Namaste, Steven

[shybastid]

Humble Janitor? Thanks for reading that for me. I'm not sure intergalatic people or aliens are speaking from Sirious here yet. I'm not sure they're not either. Odd's say maybe. That's why I'm Catholic,Bhuddist , and Muslim...
I say thank you to all of them at night. Can't be too sure who's watching over there>>>> or from out there<<<<... I'm cautious. I love everybody.

[TheChosen]

Extraterrestrial beings/energies following this forum.. now thats a thought I didn't want to share before someone else did :wink2: