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Bill Ryan
03-03-2010, 09:20 AM
Hi, All:

You all know by now that I have zero tolerance for hoaxers, imposters, and infiltrators.

Click here:

http://youtube.com/user/ProjectCameIot

To see an imposter channel set up to promote the Jonathan Reed hoax.

http://projectcamelot.org/YouTube_Jonathan_Reed.jpg

Our logo, profile, everything has been hijacked.

THIS IS NOT THE PROJECT CAMELOT CHANNEL. The real Camelot channel is jagbodhi:

http://youtube.com/user/jagbodhi

I've just sent a formal complaint to YouTube and anticipate that action will be taken quickly.

After it disappears, click here to see the archived page:

http://projectcamelot.org/YouTube_Jonathan_Reed.pdf

Spread this far and wide. I want to see this hoax exposed for what it is. It's been going on for WAY too long.

Helvetic
03-03-2010, 09:45 AM
It's time to take action now! The avalon community has alot of power. Let's find and expose those infiltrators. Their agenda is to infiltrate, spreading disinformation and stir up the ufo & researcher community.

seeingterra
03-03-2010, 11:22 AM
Tried to send complaint on youtube, did not work, sent you a e-mail regarding the subject Bill, something about the owner(s) only allowed to report it.. Absurd if you ask me.

Let's hope it get's removed ASAP!

K626
03-03-2010, 11:37 AM
On another level Bill, it's free publicity and you know what they say about publicity...:trumpet:

K

seeingterra
03-03-2010, 11:40 AM
On another level Bill, it's free publicity and you know what they say about publicity...:trumpet:

K

Well, the channel posts videos created by other individuals as they was produced by PC, this is not the case and the material is indeed sketchy at best. It should be removed so people don't get misled.

K626
03-03-2010, 11:42 AM
Well, the channel posts videos created by other individuals as they was produced by PC, this is not the case and the material is indeed sketchy at best. It should be removed so people don't get misled.

Yeah I know all that...And on one level I totally agree..But on another level we shouldn't care if there were 20 imposters nor should we try and control it...Energy is energy, form is form and light is light...It might even be that from these edges others might come to the center.

Love.

K

seeingterra
03-03-2010, 11:46 AM
Sure K626, I see your point. From my point of view I just simply feel that damage control is something that is imperative on many levels as of now, and the more we clean up (at least if we can!) the better :)

But again, I do see your point

K626
03-03-2010, 11:53 AM
Sure K626, I see your point. From my point of view I just simply feel that damage control is something that is imperative on many levels as of now, and the more we clean up (at least if we can!) the better :)

But again, I do see your point

It's kinda exciting to let the dynamic of this thing flow out and it WILL take many different shapes. In my experience trying to control anything is a waste of time the universe has its only tricky laws..ha ha...:original:

Love.

K

Kamikaze
03-03-2010, 12:03 PM
I think I came across this channel not so long ago. I was thinking.. were are all the videos and what's these UFO favourites?

I had forgot for a moment it was jagbodhi that is the real channel.

I realized rather quickly it was a "hijack" so to say off Project Camelot.

But I think the major majority will see quickly that this is a imposter. It took me not more than a minute.

Though I don't remember the Jonathan Reed video being there when I stumbled upon this channel. I watched it now...

Kinda strange... supposed being a live broadcast.. where is the live feed? That can't be it... What's whit the super small resolution etc, the square picture?
Is this video supposed to be recent footage or old but only now resurfaced?

Well either way the video is highly suspicious and looking at were you find it at a imposter channel... Doesn't speak well either.

Bill Ryan
03-03-2010, 12:28 PM
Thanks, Guys -

As you'll already know, I feel pretty strongly about nonsensical information and open deception which (in my opinion) makes our collective job harder when there's already so much obfuscation from the Powers That Be.

I do understand that all publicity is good, but Camelot actually doesn't need more publicity on YouTube. We've had 9 million views of over 100 videos, and our work is everywhere. No need to be associated with a scam.

The issue of deception and the provenance of information has been one of the long-running bones of contention between Kerry and myself. After the Heather material (http://projectcamelot.org/billsheather1.pdf) was published by Kerry, this became well-known.

But the Heather fiasco was not the only problem - it's just one of the symptoms. John Burns gave me fake photos of the F-19 to post, and I caught it just in time. It's not defamation to state this (as Kerry has warned) - it's a fact. Much else happened also which I have not made public.

This profound disagreement, about which I will not move, has become used to split Camelot in half.

In my opinion the decision to implement the coup de grace probably came soon after the Zurich conference, when we suddenly found ourselves in a firestorm of attacks and controversy. See my Open Letter to Jeff Rense (http://projectcamelot.org/open_letter_to_jeff_rense.html).

The issues were some or all of
-- The vaccination issue, over which we took a clear stand.
-- The publication of sensitive material from Dr Pete Peterson that was right on the very edge (see the end of Part 2 of our interview).
-- The public appearance of Henry Deacon.
-- Our public disagreement with the views of Dr Steven Greer, and my remarking privately to some people that Kerry and I were both certain that the being operating his body is not the same as the one in 2001. (Yes, I am sure of this.)

All this happened within a few weeks, and it may have tipped a heavy balance.

John Burns (http://www.facebook.com/outbackjack999?ref=ts) moved in soon after this.

Henry Deacon has disappeared from the scene and we are told he is currently not doing well. (Note that I do NOT associate John with this. Those were two different operations.)

The split, which Kerry announced last night formally with my agreement, is not necessarily a bad thing. As I stated on 27 February: Project Avalon, which for the last year has existed only as this Forum, is going to be extensively re-designed as a major new information and inspiration portal, a proud sister site to Project Camelot embodying all our ideals, values and mission as originally envisioned and stated, and which I personally pledge will remain free from interference, infiltration or commercialization.

Very best wishes, Bill

THEWATCHER
03-03-2010, 12:41 PM
Hi Bill, Change for the better I guess, one thing that I must ask you Bill is this. What happens to the sub forum here kindly created by Kerry which contains my material, the 'Whistleblowers....unvetted by Project Camelot'?
Also, a colleague of mine Miles Johnston, he whom produced the various 'Bases' series of tapes and DVDs stated he met Project Camelot personnel at the recent Laughlin congress and how they felt very let down by not being able to interview either myself or James Casbolt recently. Care to comment on that? Cheers Bill, warmest regards, Barry

K626
03-03-2010, 12:56 PM
Thanks, Guys -

As you'll already know, I feel pretty strongly about nonsensical information and open deception which (in my opinion) makes our collective job harder when there's already so much obfuscation from the Powers That Be.[Mod Note: Please help us out and trim longer quotes - the arrow at the top of the quote links to the full original.]


Trotsky did his best work when he realised he was under attack.

I agree that you need to engage with the stuff that 'energises itself' onto here, but in the wider scheme let it go..It is there to distract you..You need to laugh about it more or pack a bit more tin foil under the ole hat. :lol3:

Agree with the Greer analysis he is 'taken'. As is Abx.....

I don't like Burns either...

Bill that neutrino goes both ways...Are you watching?

If you need cash go to Robbie Williams he's really up for it.

From what I can see you need a couple of days by the lake.

Love.

K

Seashore
03-03-2010, 01:05 PM
... Dr Steven Greer...the being operating his body is not the same as the one in 2001.

I'm learning this for the first time.

Is this new information being revealed, or has this already been out there?

Stargazer1965
03-03-2010, 01:22 PM
I watched and it does not have the look or feel of a Project Camelot Production....which is great

But

It hijacked the logo

Maybe we can start a email writing campaign to get it taken down.

There is strength and numbers....they'll eventually get tired of us writing and take it down.

SG

redtailhawk
03-03-2010, 01:30 PM
I'm learning this for the first time.

Is this new information being revealed, or has this already been out there?

Yes, I am wondering about this too. I did note that Greer at the Barcelona conference looked ripped, and saw the ManHunt photo posted here.

Bill, are you saying that Greer has been working out a lot since 2001, or something more sinister?

redtailhawk
03-03-2010, 01:36 PM
Project Camelot could sue the perpetrator for copyright infringement and malicious intent.

tone3jaguar
03-03-2010, 02:08 PM
But the Heather fiasco was not the only problem - it's just one of the symptoms. John Burns gave me fake photos of the F-19 to post, and I caught it just in time. It's not defamation to state this (as Kerry has warned) - it's a fact. Much else happened also which I have not made public.[/URL].

I would just like to say that this individual Jake Simpson / John Burns comes up 23% factually accurate when I dowse it. Then when I ask if he is an agent it comes up YES.

-- Our public disagreement with the views of Dr Steven Greer, and my remarking privately to some people that Kerry and I were both certain that the being operating his body is not the same as the one in 2001. (Yes, I am sure of this.)

I never met the guy before 2001, only in 2009. When I talked to him out of the public spotlight he seemed like rational guy that has had many extreme happenings in his life. He does lay it on pretty heavy when the cameras are on though. I have been targeted with the terrify the target button from Dreamland as well. I only got it about 3 times. He got it every night for 6 months. That is enough to split anyones personality to some degree. In fact it would put most people strait in the funny farm.

redtailhawk
03-03-2010, 02:20 PM
I would just like to say that this individual Jake Simpson / John Burns comes up 23% factually accurate when I dowse it. Then when I ask if he is an agent it comes up YES.

This is news to me. "Jake Simpson" is John Burns?

I have been targeted with the terrify the target button from Dreamland as well. I only got it about 3 times. He got it every night for 6 months. That is enough to split anyones personality to some degree. In fact it would put most people strait in the funny farm.

I am confused by this statement, and do not get what it means.

[Mod Note: Please be careful to leave the quote tags - this one was deleted [QUOTE=tone3jaguar;247679] and later this tone3 quote is attributed to redtail. I have repaired the error.]

Truthseeker512
03-03-2010, 04:24 PM
the being operating his body is not the same as the one in 2001.


Ahhh this sounds very interesting. Could you expand please Bill?

waitinginthewings
03-03-2010, 04:45 PM
Bill. I have been feeling saddened by all the goings on over the last 6 months with PC/PA & even more so, now that there is a split. However, I am a believer, that when there is a blatant attack or hijack such as using your logo and a fake channel, then off comes the gloves. Its time to put things right. If we stand back and ignore it, hoping it will fade away, all this does is give credence to the deception & a bad messsge to the public at large. By the way, many people in the world are not aware of PC/PA yet, & if they come across this fake channel, might think that it is the real thing. Youtube are very quick to remove videos of material that has left me scratching my head & wondering why they would have removed it. Yet we are having trouble getting a fake channel using our log removed.............hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.:wall:

We can conduct the business of having the channel removed, as it should be, and continue our laughter, our high spirits as well.

Let us know Bill if you need us to help out in some way.

You have my support....& thank you once again for your tireless work.

tron
03-03-2010, 04:51 PM
Thanks for the heads up bill.
Everyone go to the page and scroll down to the bottom left and click (report image).

this will get attention fast.
go viral.

Majorion
03-03-2010, 04:54 PM
Bill I applaud you for standing up to these hoaxers and imposters, as a first step you've given me a glimpse of a much better future.

All I can say is; thank you.

waitinginthewings
03-03-2010, 05:00 PM
Thanks for the heads up bill.
Everyone go to the page and scroll down to the bottom left and click (report image).

this will get attention fast.
go viral.

I did that, a message window popped up saying, "this user has been reported"

But I don't know that it accepted my report?

Bill Ryan
03-03-2010, 05:20 PM
I would just like to say that this individual Jake Simpson / John Burns comes up 23% factually accurate when I dowse it. Then when I ask if he is an agent it comes up YES.


I'd say that you're 100% correct.

I'm impressed... tell us what else you get on anything else that comes to mind :) (Seriously)

tone3jaguar
03-03-2010, 05:25 PM
[I would just like to say that this individual Jake Simpson / John Burns comes up 23% factually accurate when I dowse it. Then when I ask if he is an agent it comes up YES.

This is news to me. "Jake Simpson" is John Burns?


Yes, apparently when Mel from Veritass talked to Kerry at the UFO congress she introduced him as both identities.

http://www.manticore.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=1810

I have been targeted with the terrify the target button from Dreamland as well. I only got it about 3 times. He got it every night for 6 months. That is enough to split anyones personality to some degree. In fact it would put most people strait in the funny farm.

I am confused by this statement, and do not get what it means.

Dreamland is the black ops code word for the MILABS / Astral illusion technology that is operated out of Groom Lake. They can essentially replicate anything from an alien abduction to a full on demonic attack by extracting you out of body and then creating the illusion of these things around you. These things come full on with all of the vibes of the real deal. I did not get the fake abduction scenario, I got the demonic attack scenario. With Steven apparently he got the full spread, he does not tell all of the details, just some of them.

Seashore
03-03-2010, 05:33 PM
Dreamland is the black ops code word for the MILABS / Astral illusion technology that is operated out of Groom Lake.

This sounds like a good topic for a thread of its own!

tone3jaguar
03-03-2010, 05:38 PM
I'd say that you're 100% correct.

I'm impressed... tell us what else you get on anything else that comes to mind :) (Seriously)

Since you asked, a while back I checked all of the Camelot Interviews. Here where the results. I have to preface this the same way that I did when I originally posted them.

When I originally posted them I made up a set of instructions for "How To: Intuitive Discernment made Easy" which can be seen here on Avalon and encouraged the readers to not take my results as truth and to instead dowse them up for themselves.

There is no such thing as 100% accurate intuitive data. I watched these interviews (with the exception of Pete Peterson) before I dowsed the accuracy of them. It would have been even more accurate to have blind dowsed them before I ever watched them.

I do not think that it would throw off the accuracy much because I had no vested interest in the content. However, just need to add that before I once again present this material.

CLICK HERE FOR INTUITIVE DISCERNMENT MADE EASY WITH DOWSING RESULTS FOR CAMELOT INTERVIEWEES. (http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=16250&highlight=intuitive+accuracy+made+easy)

pineal-pilot-in merkabah
03-03-2010, 05:39 PM
bill,
i jsut went to the link and flagged the said video as that was all i could do it seems, i hit the spam tab and then the appropraiate reason which i think was fraudulent or fake or something.. thats all i could do . :lightsabre:

Mercuriel
03-03-2010, 05:43 PM
NM...

Mercuriel
03-03-2010, 05:47 PM
BTW - On Lower Left Corner of that Page...

Report profile image violation

:winksmiley02:

Yep - You bet I did...

:trumpet:

tone3jaguar
03-03-2010, 05:49 PM
This sounds like a good topic for a thread of its own!


Member Whistleblower "TheWatcher" has intimate knowledge of it.

UncleJohn
03-03-2010, 06:02 PM
I don't think Dr. Reed is in on this smear.

The interview comes from here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzbc4-eRIG0

I don't see how to complain to youtube. Do you have to have an account there to complain?

Edit: I setup a youtube account and reported it.

THE eXchanger
03-03-2010, 06:04 PM
reported it, as, requested

thanks bill, for the good work you do

Lionhawk
03-03-2010, 06:10 PM
Originally Posted by Bill Ryan http://projectavalon.net/forum/electric/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=247623#post247623)
... Dr Steven Greer...the being operating his body is not the same as the one in 2001.


"You all know by now that I have zero tolerance for hoaxers, imposters, and infiltrators."


"nonsensical information and open deception"

You're not the only one, Bill, as far as what you stated here. All things have to be tested or vetted, validated, or whatever you want to call it. Integrity is number one in my book but is also a rare commodity anymore.

And the question also begs to be answered about someone who has infiltrated your Org but is never mentioned in the light of being an impostor, hoaxer, and infiltrator, along open deception. For that matter he might fall under your above description to Greer. The thing that kills me is I kind of like the illusion he projects out there but if you could see what is operating behind him, you'd freak. And here's the deal with that is many who have the gifts and talents to discern it, pick it right up the first time around. Also for that matter I know of people who would make him look like a rookie junior with this metaphysical stuff. I'm speaking of David Wilcock. Why was he allowed to infiltrate your efforts. Was it money? You can't blame me for asking at this stage in the game here Bill. I have nothing to lose as everything is sitting right now. Like I said, I kind of like him, but it is what is behind him that really disturbs me and if I may suggest for the future, the bar gets raised.

He's just one. Don't even look at the forum. You've got all kinds of impostors here. Laws of attraction are always at work. There are many here who are dark and disguise themselves as light. The problems you have spoken of are also right here. So if you are going to go in a new direction, may I suggest you circle yourself with those you will trust with your life, instead of the impostors wanting what they don't have that you do have. Also do some serious house cleaning with this forum. 80% of what gets posted isn't in alignment with your agenda anyway.

It's the same game whether, you're Bill & Kerry, Alex Collier, Billy Meier, Bob Dean, David Icke, etc. The PTB don't like it when you blow a real whistle. You are all high profile targets. But you are not the only ones!

If you are going to discredit other people, instead of you barking about it, how about showing something to back up your claims instead of reacting without finding the evidence. In other words it works both ways.

See Bill, you and Kerry have us at a great disadvantage here. In reality we haven't seen the proof. We have seen second hand information at best with your greatest intentions, supposedly. We all have been subscribing to the Belief Gods once again. There are many gathered here that have an inner knowing what you are trying to do is in alignment with them. That's why we have all come here to begin with. And not just that, many of us, including the mods, have worked countless hours to make this boat of yours float. I'm talking behind the scenes as far as energy work goes. You wonder why certain things just fell right out of the sky in the nick of time and other times you wonder why the hell is this being so challenging. Look at all the miles you have traveled and all those you have met and then tell me that in of its self is not a miracle. Think Bill. Think. You're still alive to tell this great story that belongs to you.

So if you are going in a new direction, you have some real deep thinking to do and to how you want to do it this time. The bar has been raised. Maybe you can start by working out your claims such as the John Reed story and actually go and investigate it. You have a scientific mind, gather up some credible scientists you can trust and start nailing these bastards with the real facts. Barking isn't going to get it done. It only makes you look like them. You know the ones who always play that discrediting card based on hearsay.

Surround yourself with those of a pure heart that can take the fight to the enemy. Set up a remote viewing panel of your own. You want to get serious here you are going to have to employ what many of the bastards employ. Level the playing field and know at the end of the day you have the fortitude to climb that mountain and get it done with the integrity it deserves.

Namaste' :thumb_yello:

Light and Fight
03-03-2010, 06:16 PM
PTB at work. I feel strongly there is a plan to get someone interviewed by PC and thereafter let that person go public with an "I made it all up" statement. This is my feeling, I really hope I am wrong.

THE eXchanger
03-03-2010, 06:21 PM
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Surround yourself with those of a pure heart that can take the fight to the enemy. Set up a remote viewing panel of your own. You want to get serious here you are going to have to employ what many of the bastards employ. Level the playing field and know at the end of the day you have the fortitude to climb that mountain and get it done with the integrity it deserves.
Namaste' :thumb_yello:[/SIZE]
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very good advise, do you know who your real friends, really are ???

Spregovori
03-03-2010, 06:22 PM
Dreamland is the black ops code word for the MILABS / Astral illusion technology that is operated out of Groom Lake. They can essentially replicate anything from an alien abduction to a full on demonic attack by extracting you out of body and then creating the illusion of these things around you. These things come full on with all of the vibes of the real deal. I did not get the fake abduction scenario, I got the demonic attack scenario. With Steven apparently he got the full spread, he does not tell all of the details, just some of them.

My apologies if i am getting too off topic with this.

This is new to me.

Tone3 does this mean that someone experiencing astral travel...be it around the house...or be it to other dimensions, planets...etc Can as well be just astral illusion?
And the victim completely helpless is not aware about any of this...is strongly believing that anything experienced during this illusion is 100% correct?

If that is so...how can anyone with astral experiences claim that they are genuine and not some method of remote control?

What is the probability that people claiming to have this extra-ordinary abilities are actually being manipulated in a very sinister way?

Kerry Cassidy
03-03-2010, 06:26 PM
Yes, apparently when Mel from Veritass talked to Kerry at the UFO congress she introduced him as both identities.

http://www.manticore.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=1810



Dreamland is the black ops code word for the MILABS / Astral illusion technology that is operated out of Groom Lake. They can essentially replicate anything from an alien abduction to a full on demonic attack by extracting you out of body and then creating the illusion of these things around you. These things come full on with all of the vibes of the real deal. I did not get the fake abduction scenario, I got the demonic attack scenario. With Steven apparently he got the full spread, he does not tell all of the details, just some of them.

I don't know who you are but you are clearly a paid operative of an agency... You are posting outright lies. Unfortunately, Bill has not the intelligence or the honor to recognize this.

Kerry

Church
03-03-2010, 06:31 PM
Om namah shivaya

http://projectavalon.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=877&pictureid=9459

illuminate
03-03-2010, 06:34 PM
Om namah shivaya

ditto

~ one love ~

Stargazer1965
03-03-2010, 06:37 PM
I don't know who you are but you are clearly a paid operative of an agency... You are posting outright lies. Unfortunately, Bill has not the intelligence or the honor to recognize this.

Kerry
And we pick up the pieces the founders handed us....and struggle on toward the sunrise...Peace

Kikine
03-03-2010, 06:37 PM
Unfortunately, Bill has not the intelligence or the honor to recognize this.

Kerry

uhm.. i don't think that was necessary...

Truthseeker512
03-03-2010, 06:53 PM
Who needs disinformation agents when the founders are at each others throats each time they post something.

Lookin good guys.

Light and Fight
03-03-2010, 06:56 PM
Darkness flows in parts of this thread. Let it take form, let it stand up and fight as it truly is. Soulless. Forgive those who are its channels, becuse they do not see. You who see, let the light strike down on the crawling evil. We are humans, born free to this world. Be proud, dear human beings, there is a new day coming.

gita
03-03-2010, 06:57 PM
That's enough guys. It's time to involve a peace keeper.

Lighten up. xx

http://armagideon-time.com/pics/sczdwtf.jpg

Church
03-03-2010, 06:58 PM
Just out of curiosity... since this whole soap opera started, has Bill actually directly insulted Kerry like she just did him? I don't think he has, actually. In fact, I think he's been rather diplomatic about the whole thing, and trying his best NOT to directly insult her while still being frank about the conflict.

Actions speak louder than words, as they say.

Spregovori
03-03-2010, 07:01 PM
Mrs Cassidy and Mr Ryan

this might be just wishful thinking but

cant you just...sit down and talk things over? with honesty and respect?

find the first point when the problems began and than look even more back to find the source that caused it?

i may be wrong...but this now...and before the words of bill...this is just anger talking

redtailhawk
03-03-2010, 07:06 PM
I can understand why Kerry would be so angry. She is protective of all the whistleblowers. If someone posted that I was responsible for outing someone and putting their life in jeopardy when I knew it was an out right lie, I'd be really ****** off too.

Truthseeker512
03-03-2010, 07:08 PM
Just out of curiosity... since this whole soap opera started, has Bill actually directly insulted Kerry like she just did him? I don't think he has, actually. In fact, I think he's been rather diplomatic about the whole thing, and trying his best NOT to directly insult her while still being frank about the conflict.

Actions speak louder than words, as they say.


Kerry is undermining her own hard work as well as Bills. Someone needs to ban the pair from this forum until they can have their heads bashed together! figuratively speaking of course!

Church
03-03-2010, 07:09 PM
I say we put and end to the soap opera NOW, and just start reporting posts that are abusive or childish (or both), regardless of whether the post came from one of the forum co-founders.

http://www.arthurkemp.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/as-the-stomach-turns.jpg

Spregovori
03-03-2010, 07:12 PM
Kerry is undermining her own hard work as well as Bills. Someone needs to ban the pair from this forum until they can have their heads bashed together! figuratively speaking of course!

No, no banning..of any kind......no putting things under the carpet....let them talk...and we can help them... We are here because of them...they enabled ALL OF THIS...

Please the two of you...think clearly...stop with blaming each other and do not let the over heated minds of others put you astray

SteveX
03-03-2010, 07:24 PM
All this happened within a few weeks, and it may have tipped a heavy balance.

John Burns (http://www.facebook.com/outbackjack999?ref=ts) moved in soon after this.

Bill this is your issue...deal it rationally...stop back biting.

Unfortunately, Bill has not the intelligence or the honor to recognize this.

Kerry

Kerry Your letting your anger rule your emotions...Calm down

The pair of you are acting like kids squabbling over the remote. Now calm down before I bang your heads together.

As for the fake vid I used the "Flag" to make a complaint. I also tried to post a comment but it wouldn't post. It's (my comment) either blocked by the scammer or YouTube.

THEWATCHER
03-03-2010, 07:31 PM
This is unfortunately rapidly becoming an episode of 'eastenders', sorry non UK you might not know what I'm on about LOL

gita
03-03-2010, 07:31 PM
http://biggovernment.com/files/2009/12/wildlife-monkeys-hear-no-evil-see-no-evil-speak-no-evil1.jpg

SteveX
03-03-2010, 07:33 PM
This is unfortunately rapidly becoming an episode of 'eastenders', sorry non UK you might not know what I'm on about LOL

Yer....tell me about it.

I freakin hate the yappy screaming soap.....never watch it.

iainl140285
03-03-2010, 07:33 PM
This is unfortunately rapidly becoming an episode of 'eastenders', sorry non UK you might not know what I'm on about LOL

:mfr_lol::lmfao::lmao::thumb_yello: Eyes on the prize my friend :lol3::wink2:

Fredkc
03-03-2010, 07:33 PM
I keep trying to come up with something nice, hopefull, encouraging to post. I really do look hard for things to say that will get people to stop and think...

Meanwhile more s h i t gets tossed over the wall, and I re-group again.

B & K;
You have built a wonderful thing here. Whether you can see the value in it, through your arguments, being hurt, etc, or not, it has, and will continue to have lasting value for you both.

What you type here is going viral on forums, and blogs worldwide, and even if all you manage is to destroy this place, is it worth being remembered as the one who accomplished that?

I learned (the hard way) that the surest way to lose two friends, is to get involved in their "marital/business disputes". But I have to say that, whatever fight goes on behind closed doors, never gets settled by taking it to the front yard, then the street.

I can tell you from talking to people here that, many good people are trying very hard to keep out of it, hoping you will settle your differences and move on (or at least leave them alone in public), so we can too.

Use the energy to build something better. So many here want to help.

Fred

Northern Boy
03-03-2010, 07:34 PM
Kerry T3J has been here for a long time almost since the start . Agent i think not i have spoken to many who have met this man ( Simpson/Burns)regardless of which name he wants to use all of them to a T recommended staying clear of him. Its your choice take it or leave it no need to drag this out

TempestGarden
03-03-2010, 07:35 PM
I don't know who you are but you are clearly a paid operative of an agency... You are posting outright lies. Unfortunately, Bill has not the intelligence or the honor to recognize this.

Kerry

Kerry,

I have no idea what is going on with you but you have really stepped off the deep end here. I have talked to Brad on numerous occasions and he is far from an Op spreading lies. He might be mistaken about things as we all can be, but I don't believe for one second that he is intentionally spreading lies.

I really think it would be a good thing if you stepped back from all of this and just took a deep breath and re-assess the entire situation. I have always thought you were a pretty rational person with a good head on your shoulders, but lately it seems like you have been acting in a very knee-jerk, irrational way. I don't know if something is going on in your personal life that is causing these behaviors to manifest, but my hope is that you can look at the bigger picture here and realize that what is happening is exactly what the PTB would love to see happen.

Malletzky
03-03-2010, 07:37 PM
Do we actually know for sure that Kerry itself is logged in and write here?

Church
03-03-2010, 07:40 PM
Would any of you remote viewers out there care to check in with Kerry and see if it's her that is logged in as Kerry, or if she is under duress or something like that? This is a serious request. I'm not joking. What if she believes she is under the control of someone and her life is in danger if she doesn't post what "they" tell her to post?

Also, you dowsers, maybe dowse something up about Kerry's words and her state of mind?

Anything that puts this all to rest behind us, would be great! Thank you.

Spregovori
03-03-2010, 07:41 PM
Do we actually know for sure that Kerry itself is logged in and write here?

We do not, but if we send back our best and sincere intentions for both of them it does not matter

metaw3
03-03-2010, 07:43 PM
I don't know who you are but you are clearly a paid operative of an agency... You are posting outright lies. Unfortunately, Bill has not the intelligence or the honor to recognize this.

Kerry

I have to laugh and defend tone3 here. He's genuine to me. He's just a normal guy taking a break from the golf course maintenance business, trying to make it with a talent inherited from his aunt (dowsing). I took the time to read his story (http://altimatrix.com/my-background-story) a while back before writing to him (http://altimatrix.com/archives/category/contact) to see for myself. I didn't ask him but I always assumed that he doesn't have enough clients yet to make a living, so in the meantime he dowses subjects related to Camelot/Avalon and posts it here for free, for which I am grateful. I'm sure many others here appreciate his contributions.

Church
03-03-2010, 07:48 PM
I do. I've been hanging out here at PA since the very beginning, and his posts have continuously brought smiles to my face.

pineal-pilot-in merkabah
03-03-2010, 08:07 PM
I don't know who you are but you are clearly a paid operative of an agency... You are posting outright lies. Unfortunately, Bill has not the intelligence or the honor to recognize this.

Kerry hmmm like cliff high says if your not paranoid then your not paying attention.... but maybe this statement goes a bit far. maybe everyone should calm down and stop for a bit. at some point all this bickering wont matter anyway. when tyranny finally makes its strike the intenet will be useless for info gathering and making a tv program will be about as compromised as you can poissibly get.

time to actually step into the light as in , go outside and do something in the sun our computers is warping our minds.

burgundia
03-03-2010, 08:14 PM
I will blame the whole problem on some kind of negative energy which fell upon them...I have a feeling that someone maybe manipulating the whole thing from afar....maybe Bill and Kerry are under attack, without even realizing that....maybe they are being manipulated by outside forces...

Oliver
03-03-2010, 08:47 PM
I believe this is a classical operation to divide two people that have public authority and have some important work against The System.
(I have experienced something similar, and I know how it goes).
Thay have been targeted since the beginning of their common work.
TPTB have their psychological profiles..and their agents were working long time to split B&K. Usually they are using techniques to rise up their egos...It`s been done to them through many people, some "friends" step by step, day by day, carefully planned what to say to the one, what to the other.
When I said "psychological profiles" it means - science, that gives to the attacker precise possible reactions of the victims, after being influenced with something (info, acts, events...)

I appeal to both of them, very intelligent and educated persons, to make a pause for few days, maybe weeks. Than to try to make a meeting, with open conversation...no emotions, honestly and sincere. The names of the provocateurs will appear.

Be careful, dear Bill and Kerry, your work is extremely important. Be on the level of your ideals.


Love and Respect to both.

Truthseeker512
03-03-2010, 08:48 PM
Kerry,

I have no idea what is going on with you but you have really stepped off the deep end here.

the being (Greer) operating his body is not the same as the one in 2001. (Yes, I am sure of this.)



Someone should get David Icke on the phone....:naughty:

mntruthseeker
03-03-2010, 08:50 PM
Negative energy fell upon P/A and thats for sure or did it fall on our planet ?



I never notice Tone3 try to presuade anyones way of thinking and he has been here for a long time. He has shown us all where he gets his information so we can do our own. No pushing off his ideas thats for sure. He is take it or leave kind of guy

SteveX has made some very good points

manticore
03-03-2010, 08:51 PM
I just want to clarify that Kerry and I did meet last week, but she simply introduced me to a man. Having met so many people at the UFO Congress, I don't even remember his name.

Once again, I respect Kerry and Bill for what they have done and will continue to do and I wish them only the best. They are both very talented and capable to continue with their efforts.

Sincerely,

Mel

mntruthseeker
03-03-2010, 08:56 PM
wow wow wow Mel amazing information and Im sure very much appreciated by some

thanks

kriya
03-03-2010, 08:59 PM
Be careful, dear Bill and Kerry, your work is extremely important. Be on the level of your ideals.


Love and Respect to both.

Dark forces have arrived, which must be faced, and overome.

It's a testament to the truth and worth of Project Camelot because otherwise the dark forces wouldn't want to destroy it.

Work from the heart, it's a test!

Love,

Kriya

5thElement
03-03-2010, 09:04 PM
I believe this is a classical operation to divide two people that have public authority and have some important work against The System.
(I have experienced something similar, and I know how it goes).
Thay have been targeted since the beginning of their common work.
TPTB have their psychological profiles..and their agents were working long time to split B&K. Usually they are using techniques to rise up their egos...It`s been done to them through many people, some "friends" step by step, day by day, carefully planned what to say to the one, what to the other.
When I said "psychological profiles" it means - science, that gives to the attacker precise possible reactions of the victims, after being influenced with something (info, acts, events...)

I appeal to both of them, very intelligent and educated persons, to make a pause for few days, maybe weeks. Than to try to make a meeting, with open conversation...no emotions, honestly and sincere. The names of the provocateurs will appear.

Be careful, dear Bill and Kerry, your work is extremely important. Be on the level of your ideals.


Love and Respect to both.

Oliver :thumb_yello::thumb_yello::thumb_yello:
I think you should email this to both of them to ensure that they each have the opportunity to read it. You have a way with words my friend :original:

El

Oliver
03-03-2010, 09:09 PM
Oliver :thumb_yello::thumb_yello::thumb_yello:
I think you should email this to both of them to ensure that they each have the opportunity to read it. You have a way with words my friend :original:

El

Thank you, 5thElement,
I am sure they will see it.

Greetings

redtailhawk
03-03-2010, 09:20 PM
I just want to clarify that Kerry and I did meet last week, but she simply introduced me to a man. Having met so many people at the UFO Congress, I don't even remember his name.

Once again, I respect Kerry and Bill for what they have done and will continue to do and I wish them only the best. They are both very talented and capable to continue with their efforts.

Sincerely,

Mel

If this is the case, how the heck did "Jake Simpson" get outed in connection with your show? T3J's post seems to imply that you mentioned this on air? Unless, you know T3J personally and said it to him directly?

Carol
03-03-2010, 09:23 PM
Some of you may actually not believe this... but this is Kerry toned down.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kerry Cassidy
I don't know who you are but you are clearly a paid operative of an agency... You are posting outright lies. Unfortunately, Bill has not the intelligence or the honor to recognize this.

Kerry

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bill Ryan
... Dr Steven Greer...the being operating his body is not the same as the one in 2001.

As for this statement by Bill, from a purely mental health professional perspective, I could say the same thing about Henry Deacon/Art Neumann as this man lived in my house for a bit last year and I got to observe up-close-and-personal what was what. Furthermore, I disagree with Bill's statement about Dr. Greer as he has no evidence or facts to back up a statement like this. Given that Dr. Greer was fighting cancer for his life so he could be around for his wife and children and is still getting death threats, I think it very possible that Dr. Greer may have undergone some personality changes but seriously doubt he is possessed by some other being. At least I have faith he is the same person, the same soul, with the same positive intent for humankind. And this is what I see different between Dr. Greer and Mr. Neumann. Dr. Greer is not out to sow seeds of discontent, disharmony or discord among those people he is involved with. I do not see a vindictive side in his actions towards those who have maligned him. Instead, I just see a man out there sharing his truth, promoting spiritual growth and pushing for Universal Brotherhood with those off-world aliens who what to see mankind evolve. I see no push for destruction of those who would challenge him, nor do I even see him motivated by greed, or a push toward fame and power. I just don't see it.

On the other hand we all saw how Mr. Neumann behaved after an incident on the forum. We all saw how he deleted all of his posts and shut down his forum. Mr. Neumann also had some of the highest level clearance and subsequently one can just imagine what transpired with him at the hands of those who he worked for. And indeed, according to Mr. Neumann in his interviews with Kerry and Bill, he also identified that he worked with aliens on Mars. If anyone is vulnerable to having a different being operate his body - HD is right up there at the top of the list.

Next, we will never see Bill take pot shots at Kerry in public. However, he does take pot shots as the above quote about Dr. Greer is just one example ~ so we don't know what it's like between the two of them when the doors are closed. However, what we have are people, similar to most folks we know, with different beliefs. We also know that just because someone believes something doesn't mean it is necessarily true. It just means their belief is based on what they think is true/factual information in the moment. Yet, it is possible that they are susceptible to being deceived just as we, the observers, can also be deceived. We too, don't know what is factual either and are expected to believe someone else's beliefs. I'm sorry, but I just refuse to go there. I'm the sort that needs multiple sources of verification to even get close to something like that. And the facts, as we all know, can easily be manipulated and/or distorted.

For the most part, I think it is best to keep an open mind, don't draw conclusions, don't take sides and hope for the best possible outcome. In the end, I truly hope they will get past all of this and remain good friends.

And yes burgundia, I too think they are being manipulate by outside forces.

Stargazer1965
03-03-2010, 09:28 PM
Some of you may actually not believe this... but this is Kerry toned down.


And yes burgundia, I too think they are being manipulate by outside forces.
And that ladies and gentlemen is why she is my HERO...SG

Aztar
03-03-2010, 09:31 PM
Bill has not the intelligence or the honor to recognize this.

Kerry

Ouch!:gun2:
Stings

Hopefully this can be resolved. Take deep breaths and remember why you two clicked in the first place :)

tbZDjnWtK1A

mntruthseeker
03-03-2010, 09:35 PM
Carol

I have my own very special reason for not wanting to believe that Dr Greer is anything but the way I precieve him as.

I have been shaken up by that remark and I wanted to go read all the Watchrs information to verify what Tone3 remarks might of meant

I have many friends that are personally involved with Dr Greer and all I get is very good vibes from all of them. I don't want to hear that my "feelings" are wrong.

Of course I do not believe every ET, IT are good. If that was the case we wouldn't be where we are at today in this world

So, I truly appreciate your input on this.

Thanks so much

THE eXchanger
03-03-2010, 09:41 PM
I believe this is a classical operation to divide two people that have public authority and have some important work against The System.
(I have experienced something similar, and I know how it goes).
Thay have been targeted since the beginning of their common work.
TPTB have their psychological profiles..and their agents were working long time to split B&K. Usually they are using techniques to rise up their egos...It`s been done to them through many people, some "friends" step by step, day by day, carefully planned what to say to the one, what to the other.
When I said "psychological profiles" it means - science, that gives to the attacker precise possible reactions of the victims, after being influenced with something (info, acts, events...)

I appeal to both of them, very intelligent and educated persons, to make a pause for few days, maybe weeks. Than to try to make a meeting, with open conversation...no emotions, honestly and sincere. The names of the provocateurs will appear.

Be careful, dear Bill and Kerry, your work is extremely important. Be on the level of your ideals.


Love and Respect to both.

very wise words, worth repeating,
do NOT let anything pull the good work,
the two of you do, apart !!!

respect and love, to both of you !!!

hollylindin
03-03-2010, 09:41 PM
I believe this is a classical operation to divide two people that have public authority and have some important work against The System.
(I have experienced something similar, and I know how it goes).
Thay have been targeted since the beginning of their common work.
TPTB have their psychological profiles..and their agents were working long time to split B&K. Usually they are using techniques to rise up their egos...It`s been done to them through many people, some "friends" step by step, day by day, carefully planned what to say to the one, what to the other.
When I said "psychological profiles" it means - science, that gives to the attacker precise possible reactions of the victims, after being influenced with something (info, acts, events...)

I appeal to both of them, very intelligent and educated persons, to make a pause for few days, maybe weeks. Than to try to make a meeting, with open conversation...no emotions, honestly and sincere. The names of the provocateurs will appear.

Be careful, dear Bill and Kerry, your work is extremely important. Be on the level of your ideals.


Love and Respect to both.

This is absolutely beautiful. Thank you, Oliver, for such an inspiring comment. <3

Aztar
03-03-2010, 09:42 PM
.. Dr Steven Greer...the being operating his body is not the same as the one in 2001.


Whole quote for clarity;



-- Our public disagreement with the views of Dr Steven Greer, and my remarking privately to some people that Kerry and I were both certain that the being operating his body is not the same as the one in 2001. (Yes, I am sure of this.)


Note: Kerry and I were both certain

Carol
03-03-2010, 09:51 PM
Thank you Aztar for the entire quote. Just because they both share the same belief doesn't make it true. Given what we are seeing with their behavior these days their own credibility isn't the best. Why would I think their assessment of Dr. Greer is accurate? I just don't buy it and I have close friends, whom I do know and trust, of Dr. Greer who don't buy it either.

MargueriteBee
03-03-2010, 09:55 PM
I don't know who you are but you are clearly a paid operative of an agency... You are posting outright lies. Unfortunately, Bill has not the intelligence or the honor to recognize this.

Kerry

Now I feel that Camelot is over when Kerry will insult Bill like this.:thumbdown: Especially in public.

Are the dark forces winning on Project Camelot???

tone3jaguar
03-03-2010, 10:00 PM
I don't know who you are but you are clearly a paid operative of an agency... You are posting outright lies. Unfortunately, Bill has not the intelligence or the honor to recognize this.

Kerry

Good One, LOL.

If you had been paying any attention to this forum you would know who I am.

UncleJohn
03-03-2010, 10:00 PM
This is an interesting exchange so let me respond:

We are not a single entity existing inside a single body. I mean we as each of us.

We are composite beings.

With this in mind, how can you argue that this is not the same being as years ago?

There is a spark of every sentient being inside all of us.

Uncle John

senate014
03-03-2010, 10:01 PM
I agree! It almost feels like a girlfriend / boyfriend relationship breaking up. Once you've made your decision you can't turn back!?

What do you think people?

Love & Peace

Andy

Church
03-03-2010, 10:05 PM
Good One, LOL.

If you had been paying any attention to this forum you would know who I am.

LMAO, that was the first thing I thought about too when I read that! Um, Kerry, you never paid any freaking attention to this place so how would you know who anyone is here?

lol

tone3jaguar
03-03-2010, 10:07 PM
If this is the case, how the heck did "Jake Simpson" get outed in connection with your show? T3J's post seems to imply that you mentioned this on air? Unless, you know T3J personally and said it to him directly?


No, not on air. In the manticore forum.

Edit: I take it back, Mel did not say that Kerry told him that directly.

Edit #2: He did post it and followed it with "don't quote me"

tone3jaguar
03-03-2010, 10:08 PM
You are right Kerry, I am paid by the government. $275.00 / week unemployment compensation.

redtailhawk
03-03-2010, 10:10 PM
No, not on air. In the manticore forum.

Thanks for clarifying. Yet, why would Manitcore be outing "Jake Simpson" in the forum, especially when he claims he could not even remember the man's name? And, since Kerry says she would NEVER call John, Jake Simpson.

SteveX
03-03-2010, 10:11 PM
`ere....you lot! Lurking at the bottom of this thread. Go check out the Dr Reed links on the right of the fake vid. There are loads of em. I'm sure there be me gossip when you get back. lol :tongue2:

bashi
03-03-2010, 10:11 PM
Regarding Greer:

Just look at the vid between 0:42:45 - 0:42:47 .
It gave me the creeps when i saw that bite ...

vid here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzqDVOjtNhg


.

Carol
03-03-2010, 10:13 PM
BF/GF breaking up? This type of interaction has been going on for almost as long as I've known them here at the forum.

bashi, meaning no disrespect ~ when someone is watching a video to the point that they have taken the time to mark out sections that gives them the creeps, the thought I have is that person has too much time on their hands. That is just your impression as an individual. There are others with different impression. Perhaps you choose to believe Bill and Kerry's impressions as well. That is your choice. However, given my own personal experience and professional background of over 30 years, my impressions are different.

How about something like this instead.

http://www.quotesarcade.com/graphics/happiness/happiness_quotes_graphics_01.gif

Church
03-03-2010, 10:14 PM
LOL, Bashi, are you suggesting he tried to chomp down on her? That would have redeemed that video, actually.

hollylindin
03-03-2010, 10:18 PM
Regarding Greer:

Just look at the vid between 0:42:45 - 0:42:47 .
It gave me the creeps when i saw that bite ...

vid here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzqDVOjtNhg


.

Probably 'cause Steven has a bit of a T-rex/reptile look to him already, so making a biting motion is a little bit of a freak-out! :naughty:

<3

redtailhawk
03-03-2010, 10:21 PM
No, not on air. In the manticore forum.

Edit: I take it back, Mel did not say that Kerry told him that directly.

Thanks. What I am trying to get to the bottom of is how was Jake Simpson/John Burns names connected? Specifically, how did you learn this?

tone3jaguar
03-03-2010, 10:21 PM
Someone quick! Change the passwords so that Kerry can't post anymore.

(Rolls Eyes)

K626
03-03-2010, 10:22 PM
Regarding Greer:

Just look at the vid between 0:42:45 - 0:42:47 .
It gave me the creeps when i saw that bite ...

vid here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzqDVOjtNhg


.

Greer is gone. Get over it.

Bill needs to get to Icke again before he goes.

Time is speeding up.

Steve_A
03-03-2010, 10:24 PM
Hi Bill & Everybody,

I hear you Bill and I totally agree with everything you have said in this thread.

Never have I seen such an appalling act on TV than this Dr. Jonathon Reed chap. He reminds me of a mixture between "The Amazing Kreskin" and Uri Geller, only they were far more convincing.

There are many con men out there and I have been in the past told to "tone it down" about some of them I mentioned on this forum site, so I tended to leave go a little, concentrating on what I thought was important.

It seems that now you (Bill) are starting to take more of a stand, as I could be mistaken in thinking that the problem about Camelot began with Arthur Newman, Pete Peterson and the like. The thing is, if one idiot gets 'published', others will be lining up to do the same. If and as they get 'published' the more serious whistleblower buff gets more dissappointed and starts to make noises... as some have.

I think you (Bill) could be very successful in letting the world know the truth. With your ample experience, who do you think is full of dung? You have a lot more clout than I or any member of this forum does, although I have loads of proof about certain 'secret underground base' workers.

But as I'm asked to stand down, I do.

Best regards,

Steve



[SIZE="4"]Hi, All:

You all know by now that I have zero tolerance for hoaxers, imposters, and infiltrators.

Click here:

http://youtube.com/user/ProjectCameIot

To see an imposter channel set up to promote the Jonathan Reed hoax.

tone3jaguar
03-03-2010, 10:25 PM
Thanks. What I am trying to get to the bottom of is how was Jake Simpson/John Burns names connected? Specifically, how did you learn this?

Go to the manticore forum following this link, then read down to the 4th post that was made by Mel.

http://www.manticore.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=1810

I feel bad now because I had not remembered that Mel had specifically posted "don't quote me" after he typed and posted that he was introduced as Jake Simpson. I had read it the day before and only the facts of what I had read still lingered. I hope Mel is not mad. He is my favorite host.

bashi
03-03-2010, 10:29 PM
LOL, Bashi, are you suggesting he tried to chomp down on her? That would have redeemed that video, actually.

Thinks are sometimes only visible if you already know what to look for...

K626
03-03-2010, 10:30 PM
The tribe must hold.


Peace and Love.

K.

bashi
03-03-2010, 10:46 PM
bashi, meaning no disrespect ~ when someone is watching a video to the point that they have taken the time to mark out sections that gives them the creeps, the thought I have is that person has too much time on their hands.



Well, i saw the vid 2-3 times when it was released, and immediately noted down the time. Just a matter of looking back into my notes. If you look at my posts regarding Greer, my opinion about him is not new in his case.

gita
03-03-2010, 10:50 PM
It seems to me that no one has considered the human relationship factor in all this. We must remember that Bill and Kerry have a long history filled with different levels of love – not to mention that they are both pioneers of such a wonderful projects that has helped so many. I’m not sticking up for Bill or Kerry but at the same time facts are facts. Please try to imagine how Kerry must feel when her ‘children’ are slating her and siding with ‘dad’. Kerry put her heart and soul in Project Camelot not to mention her well being in order to bring out the truth to people like us. She must feel completely betrayed, angry, upset and darn right heart broken when the same people she gave her time and effort to have not just turned against her but also trying to rip her apart.

I understand that a lot of Avolonians are leaning towards Bill and in a way that is understandable as Kerry has not as yet been able to explain herself in an objective way as Bill has. Sure, at the moment she has taken the subjective route but any ‘mum’ would feel that angry when the same people that she has ‘nurtured’ are attacking her. She must be heartbroken and this is why she’s lashing out. I don’t believe Bill would want us to carry on attacking Kerry the way some have on this thread as I’m sure he still must have loving feelings (not necessarily romantic) towards her – after all they’ve shared a unique journey together that none of us could possibly comprehend.

It really is time for the rest of us to butt out of their business and give them both time to deal with such a break up cos we’re just as guilty as the both of them for adding fuel to the fire. I also understand why some of us have done this as at some level we can see the end of something wonderful that brought us some sanity and may be fighting the change and the new era of Project Camelot/Avelon – we just have to adjust our energies to deal with this change. We are all grown ups and it’s not a matter of whether we’ll be staying at ‘mum’s or dad’s’ this weekend.

Granted, we all would love to know what the truth is but lets just stick to facts without attacking the founders – I for one am still grateful to both Kerry and Bill for all they’ve done and we’ve come so far because of BOTH of them. If Kerry has decided to take a different path now, we should wish her all the best instead of ‘hating’ her for wanting to live her own life. I do not for one moment agree with what Kerry said about Tone3 – that was out of order but if you’ve noticed, Tone3 did not retaliate negatively where others have – because he’s forgiving like that and used humour instead. I for one am a fan of Tone3 and he has helped me out behind the scenes and am sure he’s helped many others but he’s not the kind of soul to broadcast it.

I dread to think what new comers have made of all this. They probably came to this site filled with hope that they can find a place to feel at home and be able to exhale at last amongst like minded people – instead they find this charade – great example we turned out to be. Well, I tell you tptb must be loving this and probably had a hand in facilitating all this nonsense.

I also agree with burgundia and Carol about the dark energies being in place and I also can’t help but wonder that all the recent earthquakes and the continuous after shocks are also playing factors as the energy must be hitting everyone across the globe in wave forms and it seems to have gathered momentum – so are we just reacting instead of creating? Most of us here thought we were becoming evolved but when it came down to it, I feel we failed miserably – but I remain hopeful that we can turn this around and bring peace and forgiveness back in to our hearts.

It truly makes me wonder that if we can behave like this with a ‘break up’ then we really have a long way to go before we can be the healers and light shiners when shyte hits the fan. Let’s hope we’ve learnt our lesson from this and behave as souls that we know ourselves to be.

It may be an idea (just an idea) for this thread to be closed down for a little while to give us all a chance to calm down and gather our thoughts. Please if you can, go to the ‘make me laugh’ thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15226)and leave something to make each other laugh so that we can bring some balance back to our safe haven.

Much love to all your hearts. xx

3optic
03-03-2010, 10:50 PM
Well, i saw the vid 2-3 times when it was released, and immediately noted down the time. Just a matter of looking back into my notes. If you look at my posts regarding Greer, my opinion about him is not new in his case.

People make weird faces all the time. Hardly worth noting. He appeared to me to be about to interject something before aborting. This is proof of what exactly?

bashi
03-03-2010, 10:54 PM
Maybe a proof of my own paranoia ... :wink2:

mntruthseeker
03-03-2010, 10:57 PM
yes people do that when they start to say something and catch themself

They seem to butt heads and Kerry talked over him a few times, but to me its just two people that have their own opinion and refused to budge on it

Church
03-03-2010, 10:58 PM
Maybe a proof of my own paranoia ...

All it was proof of is that Kerry wouldn't let Greer speak. He opened his mouth several times to do so, but she opened hers faster, louder, and for longer intervals.

tone3jaguar
03-03-2010, 10:58 PM
Tone3 does this mean that someone experiencing astral travel...be it around the house...or be it to other dimensions, planets...etc Can as well be just astral illusion?

Everything in the Astral Realm is a direct manifestation intention of those there in it, higher self, spirit and etc. The difference with the tech is that they create the thought form reality using technology. It is basically like a star trek holideck tech only out of body so that they can use the easy to manipulate environment of the astral world as their canvas.

For those that have not been out of body in an astral projection, that reality is just a real, tangible, and convincing as this one. You could totally trick someone into believing that the had not left normal waking reality over there.

bashi
03-03-2010, 11:09 PM
Question to Bill:
How long, workwise, would it have taken to cut the disputed music out of the Saxon-vid?

Reunite
03-03-2010, 11:11 PM
Hey Bill if you're dropping names why don't you talk about the Australian Ark?

lightblue
03-03-2010, 11:22 PM
people are cracking up, not nice...these things happen, so why make it a drama..
lythe
:sweatdrop:


p. s. my personal feeling is that kerry's mind is under some sort of attack..why, oh why would she remove bill's video twice without warning if she was genuinely concerned about a copy rignt violation issue? that excuse goverment agencies use....hard to believe she'd be as reckless... unless she is not being herself...





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SteveX
03-03-2010, 11:35 PM
Question to Bill:
How long, workwise, would it have taken to cut the disputed music out of the Saxon-vid?

Or put the Camalot opening vid on the front. No one seems to remember Bill didn't do that.

bashi
03-03-2010, 11:36 PM
I am still mad about the vid issue. And time is running....:

Israels Deputy Prime Minister in China and then this:

Quote: "The Iranian president said he expects war to break out somewhere between spring and summer of this year. Meanwhile, the Hizbollah chief vowed to strike the Israeli capital, its airports and power stations if Israel dared to attack Beirut’s critical infrastructure."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100225/ap_on_re_as/as_china_israel_iran_1

http://www.thenational.ae/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100301/OPINION/702289930/1006

Please Bill, get the vid out again as soon as possible.



.

Carol
03-03-2010, 11:37 PM
With respect to thread closing, I'm against it. There were times as a moderator I did close threads but that was where tempers were out of control and people were busy insulting each other. Members also need a place to process their feelings about the various changes that PA/PC is undergoing because they are now a very active part of what makes PA/PC forums what they are. I respect the members here and have observed how posts have evolved over these many months. I also think they have a right to post their feelings/observations and work through the issues being presented to us by the forum founders.

Again, I do not think anyone should take sides. I do think this is an opportunity for us to remain open-minded and allow this process to unfold of its own accord. My respect continues to unfold for various members as they offer their input and it makes my heart glad to be associated with such a fine group of human beings.:wub2:

quetzalcoatl11
03-03-2010, 11:37 PM
Bill and Kerry,

These are the times when those who have been counted upon will be asked to carry more, and the both of you have been such a tremendous force and light within the lives of countless millions of people around the world, but your work is not done yet and you cannot give into the negativity.

There is that famous quote by Einstein which always comes to mind:"No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it,"

Certainly you know that there are avid attempts to set the both of you at odds and against one another, it's a testament to the tremendous fortitude and resolve you both have had in getting the people to wake up and realize there is a greater story and transcendent aspect to not only humanity, but life itself. You will both have dark moments, as all of us do, and in those darker moments people will attempt to take snapshots and define you through these brief glimpses as though you both were statues rather than rivers, ever-changing and ever flowing. Don't give up on yourselves, despite what darkness you encounter, within the both of you is a strength and light greater than all the darkness in the world. There are people on these boards that truly understand the odds you confront, not only 'out there' but most importantly, within yourselves, in the confines of your hearts. You are both magnificent and unbelievably loving souls, you have accepted a very difficult challenge and have succeeded overwhelmingly so, don't lose heart now- you are in the final mile.

lightblue
03-03-2010, 11:42 PM
Please Bill, get the vid out again as soon as possible.


i must agree! :shocked:

also, bill - you mentioned in your yesterday's post something about a limited nuclear attack taking place behind closed doors..what did you mean? thanks.

bw l.






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Church
03-03-2010, 11:55 PM
^ I think post #38 of this thread is a clue.

Steven
03-03-2010, 11:57 PM
It's rather interesting how this thread has swing into all sort of topics...

You can count on me Bill about the hoaxer. I have made a complain on youtube and a comment that will probably not appear on the hoaxer page, it was still pending for approval.

No matter what happen, I will always support your work and Kerry's work as well. I don't beleive you are manipulated, but rather protected. All my blessings to you both. May Creation keeps you under her wing to let you do what you came to do.

If people are looking for the page on youtube to make a complain, here : http://www.youtube.com/t/contact_us?hl=en_US

Namaste, Steven

mntruthseeker
03-04-2010, 12:01 AM
Just as Tone3 indicated.............he is not BSing

I feel like my huge bubble went crashing down. I have a very hard time with lying of any kind. It you do not want to have things repeated, do not say them. Such a dissapointment

redtailhawk
03-04-2010, 12:09 AM
Go to the manticore forum following this link, then read down to the 4th post that was made by Mel.

http://www.manticore.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=1810

I feel bad now because I had not remembered that Mel had specifically posted "don't quote me" after he typed and posted that he was introduced as Jake Simpson. I had read it the day before and only the facts of what I had read still lingered. I hope Mel is not mad. He is my favorite host.

I can't, one has to be a member to read the forum.

I find it disturbing that Mel posted here on this forum, that he did not even remember the man's name, yet reveals a whistleblowers name in his forum....adding "don't quote me". I trust when Kerry says she would never introduce John Burns as Jake Simpson, so it makes me wonder where he got his information. How very uncool of Mel, sounds like he has some explaining to do.

gita
03-04-2010, 12:12 AM
With respect to thread closing, I'm against it. There were times as a moderator I did close threads but that was where tempers were out of control and people were busy insulting each other. Members also need a place to process their feelings about the various changes that PA/PC is undergoing because they are now a very active part of what makes PA/PC forums what they are. I respect the members here and have observed how posts have evolved over these many months. I also think they have a right to post their feelings/observations and work through the issues being presented to us by the forum founders.

Again, I do not think anyone should take sides. I do think this is an opportunity for us to remain open-minded and allow this process to unfold of its own accord. My respect continues to unfold for various members as they offer their input and it makes my heart glad to be associated with such a fine group of human beings.:wub2:

It was only a suggestion my dear Carol. I totally agree that people should be able to express their feelings. I just felt that it was turning into an ‘attack’ thread rather than just venting but am relieved to notice that things have calmed down somewhat. All is on the road to being well again. xx:wub2:

manticore
03-04-2010, 12:25 AM
How very uncool of Mel, sounds like he has some explaining to do.
redtailhwak,

I will give you the courtesy this one time, as you seem to be acting as some kind of de facto investigator. I said I didn't remember the name of the person who I was introduced to and even said "don't quote me". I have been introduced to many people during last week. Either way, it's none of my business who this man in question is or is not. The names in question were being discussed by other members directly from this thread.

Tone3Jaguar misunderstood and has already replied above stating what I said. If you are accusing me of anything, you better have something more concrete than speculation, in order to substantiate your claims. I would strongly suggest that you get your facts in order. This is a very sensitive situation and there is no need to exacerbate it with gossip.

Mel

redtailhawk
03-04-2010, 12:27 AM
redtailhwak,

I will give you the courtesy this one time, as you seem to be acting as some kind of de facto investigator. I said I didn't remember the name of the person who I was introduced to and even said "don't quote me". I have been introduced to many people during last week. Either way, it's none of my business who this man in question is or is not. The names in question were being discussed by other members directly from this thread.

Tone3Jaguar misunderstood and has already replied above stating what I said. If you are accusing me of anything, you better have something more concrete than speculation, in order to substantiate your claims. I would strongly suggest that you get your facts straight.

Mel

Here are some facts for you.

Straight from your forum to ours:

Pineal, I also received a few e-mails stating the same. If I remember correctly, Kerry introduced me to him as Jake Simpson (from Australia, if I remember correctly)...or could it be John/Jake Haupmann?

Please don't quote me...

Mel

Yes, I was introduced to him. It is him. I read a thread over at Project Avalon and Kerry has confirmed she has been traveling throughout Europe and the USA with him. She also confirmed that Bob Dean met with them last week. I was there. I saw them meet. I am 100% positive this is the man. However, there are two sides to every story. Kerry is stating her version and Bill is also stating his.

From the outside, it looks to me this is a divide and conquer approach by TPTB. Whether this is true or not, the outcome is the same. There is infighting everywhere. That is why i choose to remain neutral and escape from any unfolding drama in exopolitics, guests of the show, etc.

Now you know why I don't have partners. My only partner is my wife...and she's not even involved with the show (perhaps indirectly with moral support).

Cheers,

Mel

mntruthseeker
03-04-2010, 12:33 AM
All I can say is WOW

The plot keeps getting thicker and thicker

What a sorry state of affairs

brunols
03-04-2010, 01:01 AM
Kerry:
I would like to know your opinion on why you think the Dr. Reed case is a hoax.

Thanks

waitinginthewings
03-04-2010, 01:03 AM
I just want to clarify that Kerry and I did meet last week, but she simply introduced me to a man. Having met so many people at the UFO Congress, I don't even remember his name.

Once again, I respect Kerry and Bill for what they have done and will continue to do and I wish them only the best. They are both very talented and capable to continue with their efforts.

Sincerely,

Mel


tks Mel for visiting here. Your caring & integrity shine through. You are right up there in the top league of the good guys.

tone3jaguar
03-04-2010, 01:10 AM
I trust when Kerry says she would never introduce John Burns as Jake Simpson,

Why would you suddenly trust what she says after all of the fragmented behavior lately? Let it go.

mntruthseeker
03-04-2010, 01:10 AM
Normally I would agree Waitinginthewings but I'm shock at what happened here tonight.

I am shocked at Mel jumping all over Redtailhawk on this forum

Shocked and saddened that he wuld do that and insinuate that Tone3 was spreading rumors

Anyhow it has me wondering what is going on.

I know that I certainly owe Bill an apology for ever doubting what he wrote, but I learned a lesson, thats for sure

Linda
03-04-2010, 01:12 AM
tks Mel for visiting here. Your caring & integrity shine through.
You are right up there in the top league of the good guys.

I totally agree. :thumb_yello:

How refreshing!

tone3jaguar
03-04-2010, 01:13 AM
It is not that big of a deal. Me an Mel are friends it is all good.

Northern Boy
03-04-2010, 01:13 AM
Why would you suddenly trust what she says after all of the fragmented behavior lately? Let it go.

I couldn`t agree more T3J it is what it is accept it

Carol
03-04-2010, 01:17 AM
Mel is a gem and unfortunately got caught up in the fracas. I kind of think of this like a mini tsunami with the waves still rippling as what was once unknown becomes known. All is good in the end and Redtail, I've known Mel for awhile now and a member of his forum. He has always acted with the highest integrity and tried to take a neutral stance when it comes to his professional relationships.

redtailhawk
03-04-2010, 01:18 AM
Why would you suddenly trust what she says after all of the fragmented behavior lately? Let it go.

I trust both Kerry and Bill...they both know me personally. I think they are both fine and courageous people; and I love the work they have accomplished. What I care most about is the confidentiality of witnesses when their identity is supposed to be protected, and that is why this matter has meant so much to me.

lightblue
03-04-2010, 01:18 AM
tone3 It is not that big of a deal. Me an Mel are friends it is all good.
__________________
Fringe Metaphysics www.altimatrix.com

are you friends with mel in physical 3D life? l

waitinginthewings
03-04-2010, 01:18 AM
Normally I would agree Waitinginthewings but I'm shock at what happened here tonight.

I am shocked at Mel jumping all over Redtailhawk on this forum

Shocked and saddened that he wuld do that and insinuate that Tone3 was spreading rumors

Anyhow it has me wondering what is going on.

I know that I certainly owe Bill an apology for ever doubting what he wrote, but I learned a lesson, thats for sure

I am loosing the plot here (I think) its becoming confusing with the "he said", "she said" .

Frankly I am starting to think that a whole lot of bad energy has been dumped on Bill/Kerry & Mel & another of the good guys out there.

Maybe us members should take a step back & consciously send some good energy their ways....I think they need it now. They are being torn every which way.

I do want to share here, that ever since I read about Kerry teaming up with Jake or (whoever) he is......a RED FLAG went up for me. I am really concerned about her safety now. I cannot explain this feeling I have, suffice to say that I trust my instincts after learning the lesson the hard way.

I hope she will take time out and evaluate what she is doing before its too late.:tears:

eleni
03-04-2010, 01:19 AM
Yes, apparently when Mel from Veritass talked to Kerry at the UFO congress she introduced him as both identities.
http://www.manticore.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=1810
Dreamland is the black ops code word for the MILABS / Astral illusion technology that is operated out of Groom Lake. They can essentially replicate anything from an alien abduction to a full on demonic attack by extracting you out of body and then creating the illusion of these things around you. These things come full on with all of the vibes of the real deal. I did not get the fake abduction scenario, I got the demonic attack scenario. With Steven apparently he got the full spread, he does not tell all of the details, just some of them.

I have been targeted as well. Very frightening.

mntruthseeker
03-04-2010, 01:24 AM
Geeze Eleni

That is scary as heck...................It makes me glad that I live too far to attend any of these conferences.

I have always respected Mel for the way he handled his interviews. He is an excellent host

I just felt the "sting" of his remarks to RedTailHawk and it was not good


It has nothing to do with Kerry, Bill or Tone3.

manticore
03-04-2010, 01:27 AM
Normally I would agree Waitinginthewings but I'm shock at what happened here tonight.

I am shocked at Mel jumping all over Redtailhawk on this forum

Shocked and saddened that he wuld do that and insinuate that Tone3 was spreading rumors

Anyhow it has me wondering what is going on.

I know that I certainly owe Bill an apology for ever doubting what he wrote, but I learned a lesson, thats for sure
Let me assure you that I never said Tone3Jaguar was spreading rumors. I said that Redtailhawk was coming to the wrong conclusion based on non-factual data.

Tone3Jaguar has been a member of my forum and I respect his dowsing capabilities and input, not to mention that I consider all my members friends, as I interact with all of them. You may want to re-read what Redtailhawk said.

With respect,

Mel

P.S. Not to digress this thread, but I was happy to see Tone3Jaguar's abilities recognized by someone I consider another good friend. See the link below:

http://www.colinandrews.net/HAARP-Radar-DowsingByBradJohnson.html

mntruthseeker
03-04-2010, 01:29 AM
I am loosing the plot here (I think) its becoming confusing with the "he said", "she said" .

Frankly I am starting to think that a whole lot of bad energy has been dumped on Bill/Kerry & Mel & another of the good guys out there.

Maybe us members should take a step back & consciously send some good energy their ways....I think they need it now. They are being torn every which way.

I do want to share here, that ever since I read about Kerry teaming up with Jake or (whoever) he is......a RED FLAG went up for me. I am really concerned about her safety now. I cannot explain this feeling I have, suffice to say that I trust my instincts after learning the lesson the hard way.

I hope she will take time out and evaluate what she is doing before its too late.:tears:


Yes, its been happening so much and it really has me wondering what is going on. I know that I am not the only one "realing" from all of this. Now listen to what Eleni says and I am only furthered assured that things are not right.

You are not alone in the feelings.

redtailhawk
03-04-2010, 01:33 AM
Let me assure you that I never said Tone3Jaguar was spreading rumors. I said that Redtailhawk was coming to the wrong conclusion based on non-factual data.

Tone3Jaguar has been a member of my forum and I respect his dowsing capabilities and input. You may want to read what Redtailhawk said again.

Cheers,

Mel

Mel, I do not think my conclusion is based on "non factual data". I simply wanted to know how T3J linked the names John Burns and Jake Simpson, and I found out, as the facts have been revealed.

mntruthseeker
03-04-2010, 01:35 AM
Let me assure you that I never said Tone3Jaguar was spreading rumors. I said that Redtailhawk was coming to the wrong conclusion based on non-factual data.

Tone3Jaguar has been a member of my forum and I respect his dowsing capabilities and input. You may want to read what Redtailhawk said again.

Cheers,

Mel



You said Tone 3 was mistaken in what he said. To me that is a rumor or better a lie....sorry my mistake on words

I am very much aware of what RedtailHawk wrote and I just want you to know, I am also a member of your forum, I love your interviews. I read all the words you put up there regarding this via the link that Tone3 put up so I know what was said. I just dont get into the forum.

Trust me, I am not enjoying this and I would like to drop it.

Do you know the real identity of RedTailHawk ? It matters not because he or she is somebody and has said why he wanted to know who oust Jake for personal reasons.

manticore
03-04-2010, 01:58 AM
I don't know the identify of this member mntruthseeker. Should I?

I can tell you that the divide and conquer approach is working wonders right about now. Instead of focusing on me, why don't we focus on the matter at hand and let Bill and Kerry sort things out? Without them we would not be here interacting. Furthermore, without them, perhaps even Veritas wouldn't exist, since I have to admit they were a catalyst/motivator for me as well.

If I had known that commenting about the person in question and saying I met him was going to be taken out of proportion when I was simply part of a thread that I didn't even originate, I would have refrained from participating. Those who know me know I don't take sides and remain neutral.

I'm sure many are in shock right now about what is transpiring, and the best course of action, in my honest opinion, is to stand back and let Kerry and Bill sort things out between themselves. This is their project. We are here because of them. I was banned from ATS immediately after I started Veritas (makes you wonder why) and Project Avalon welcomed me. I will always be thankful for that and for the new friends I made here.

Cheers,

Mel

mntruthseeker
03-04-2010, 02:16 AM
no I wasnt sure if you did or not. It really doesnt matter as he or she was just putting out their thoughts. Ones that I had myself.


A friend of both Bill and Kerry's that knows the ropes and as written the inportance of not exposing someone.

I believe that a lesson was learn/taught to all and I for one am ready to move on.

I am still shocked at all that has appeared in this thread and wished I had kept up more on what was happening.

I am not concern about Kerry or Bill. They are both more than capable of moving on.

I am curious as of Jake Simpson and Steven Greer. I can't help but be. I have personal friends that are friends of Steven Greer and I want to know the truth......just as you say in all of your videos. I Want To Know the Truth.

Carrie1971
03-04-2010, 02:17 AM
It hijacked the logo

There is strength and numbers....they'll eventually get tired of us writing and take it down.

SG

Go over to the youtube site.
Get to the bottom of the page where they have "fake" infromation which anyone can know. (Trying to act like it is Kerry)

Just below "books" are is a report site just click it.

Thank you.. IF you tube lets that stay up with the project image well then we have arrived at a sad day.

Aztar
03-04-2010, 02:22 AM
Mel

A man of honor and integrity as usual.
Some forget that even though Mel has his own forum now, he is also a valued member of this forum as well.

One thing I would say in regard to this being Bill & Kerry's project and we are here because of them. This is of course true and I would, in my opinion make one addition, the forum has become its own universe separate from PC the website, whilst also including it.

Its become a community, a gathering place for a variety of people from different backgrounds & perspectives, some of whom don't want to believe they want to know <=(couldn't resist)

I think the community are handling themselves very well.

Linda
03-04-2010, 02:26 AM
Why would you suddenly trust what she says after all of the fragmented behavior lately?
Let it go.

Let it go?

We all have the right to ask questions or come to our own conclusions based upon on our own personal experiences and research.

People will "let it go" when they are good and ready to and not because someone tells them to.

Many of us have not made a judgment call yet and just sit back and watch who says what.
Your constant bashing of Kerry has been noted.

Some of us can actually think for ourselves and will never go along with "the crowd" because we are AWARE on how the game is played.

This whole thing is much deeper and uglier than just 2 personalities clashing.
People are not so stupid anymore and will not believe things just because someone says so.
We have to use our own minds and think outside the box.
Peace.

Stella Octangula
03-04-2010, 02:30 AM
This thread should be locked in order to minimize the already substantial collateral damage to Camelot and to the Truth movement in general that is occurring here in real time.

It is unfortunate that "whistleblowers" that have put their lives on the line are now being upstaged by an intra-departmental conflict that has been put on public "blast" for some incredibly inane reason.

I am certain that many insiders and potential-future "whistleblowers" that monitor these type of sites are now thoroughly discouraged in approaching this franchise...EVER... and perhaps all like-sites as well.

This is most unfortunate.

We have all lost here.

In the end they were their own worst enemies.

mntruthseeker
03-04-2010, 02:31 AM
Thank you my dear Linda

Its how I feel because to me no matter who RedTailHawk is, he/she is someone that deserves the same respect as any other member.

It makes no difference who you are or what you do outside of here

You should not be treated any differently.

Not too many people come forward but I noticed that over 1000 people have read this thread since the remarks to RedTailHawk were put here

Every person that participates at this forum should be held as an honorary member.

tone3jaguar
03-04-2010, 02:49 AM
I am taking a break from all of this drama for a few days. No forums for me, I am going on a Forum fast. See you all next week.

Linda
03-04-2010, 02:51 AM
Hi Vickie, I was not sticking up for anyone and anyway I don't know who this
RedTailHawk is.

I was merely addressing the comment on being told "to let it go" that I feel is very wrong for anybody to do. Ever.

We all need to make up our own minds about this huge drama.

Myra
03-04-2010, 02:55 AM
Kerry is undermining her own hard work as well as Bills. Someone needs to ban the pair from this forum until they can have their heads bashed together! figuratively speaking of course!

Banned from their own Forum??? Surely you jest! :lmao:

:mfr_lol:

Surial
03-04-2010, 02:59 AM
I have been watching Camelot videos for years. I am still a big fan. Regardless of what is posted here, that never changes. They have done wonderful work.

This is a time of transition due to economic difficulties. Many people are upset and it is to be expected. Human behavior is naturally emotional and expressive. It is our passion that makes us so unique and special.

I have learned from my own experiences when you have an entertainment or business partnership, there will be disagreements. Being in the music industry myself, I know that it is very competitive. When I had seen at the beginning of this thread that someone had used Project Camelot's image for their own youtube channel, I was not surprised.

Project Camelot is very popular. I am sure Bill and Kerry will find some way to resolve this youtube situation. As far as what they do to this forum, it is up to them. It is their forum. I have to say there is much vital information here that should be archived and backed up, in case the forum is shut down.

Maybe Project Camelot can create another archive section on their website.
Either way, I applaud the wonderful work B&K have done. And as a personal message to B&K, we love you.

We all have pain that we must endure throughout our lives. Just remember that no matter what happens, only good can come out of this. Your material and videos have opened my eyes on many levels. It has helped me in my own research. I believe you are on the right path.

Take a vacation. Try those nice mixed drinks with the umbrellas. Kick back and get a massage. Go to a karaoke bar and sing some songs together. Re-evaluate your situation. Always try to find a positive productive outcome to any challenge.

MargueriteBee
03-04-2010, 03:00 AM
I will blame the whole problem on some kind of negative energy which fell upon them...I have a feeling that someone maybe manipulating the whole thing from afar....maybe Bill and Kerry are under attack, without even realizing that....maybe they are being manipulated by outside forces...

I wonder if this is some kind of social experiment?:nono:

mntruthseeker
03-04-2010, 03:01 AM
Hi Vickie, I was not sticking up for anyone and anyway I don't know who this
RedTailHawk is.

I was merely addressing the comment on being told "to let it go" that I feel is very wrong for anybody to do. Ever.

We all need to make up our own minds about this huge drama.

Actually I didnt think you were. I seen it as someone that spoke their mind and wasn't moved by others. I seen over 1000 people visit the thread after it happened and no one spoke up until you.

I personally do not know who RedTailHawk is.......never seen a post of theirs before, I just didnt like what I had seen said to him/her


I read what he/she said and trust she would not put it down if it wasn't true
They personally know Bill and Kerry and was not taking sides in anything but wondered how information was leaked out. Something that is important to all whistleblowers, wouldn't you think ?

Linda
03-04-2010, 03:09 AM
Hey Bill if you're dropping names why don't you talk about the Australian Ark?

An Ark? What is that all about?

Fredkc
03-04-2010, 03:20 AM
I wonder if this is some kind of social experiment?:nono:
If it is, then it seems everyone failed it.

Didn't anyone else's mother ever tell them,
"Don't pick it! It'll never heal!"

???

Fred

cloud9
03-04-2010, 03:29 AM
After reading all this thread I'm surprised nobody made a comment about gita's post # 105 which I think it's the wisest one. Everybody is just focused in the conflict and the she said/he said.
Bill and Kerry, I just hope the two of you can find common ground again and even with separate sites, a lot of people are looking up to both of you. I admire you both I wish you the best.

MargueriteBee
03-04-2010, 03:29 AM
People make weird faces all the time. Hardly worth noting. He appeared to me to be about to interject something before aborting. This is proof of what exactly?

If you watch it without sound you can see he is in the hot seat, just being nervous with a dry mouth and yes, it appeared IMO that he did want to nip off her nose.:mfr_lol:

Linda
03-04-2010, 03:29 AM
Actually I didnt think you were. I seen it as someone that spoke their mind and wasn't moved by others. I seen over 1000 people visit the thread after it happened and no one spoke up until you.

I personally do not know who RedTailHawk is.......never seen a post of theirs before, I just didnt like what I had seen said to him/her
I read what he/she said and trust she would not put it down if it wasn't true
They personally know Bill and Kerry and was not taking sides in anything but wondered how information was leaked out. Something that is important to all whistleblowers, wouldn't you think ?

One thing I strongly believe in is FREE SPEECH and allowing whistleblowers to be heard without being silenced like we have SEEN in the past.

Being banned in the forum or in the chatroom should tell you a lot.
We must keep our eyes open and then we will notice how some little things will finally add up.

I always admired you for speaking up dear Vickie.
Nobody has all the answers. We don't have the right to bash someone because someone tells us to.
We also have to be very careful in supporting one person's views just because we happen to like them.

We must continue on digging for that truth that will resonate with our innerselves. :original:

Carol
03-04-2010, 03:32 AM
An Ark? What is that all about?

Here is Bill's thread link on the Ark.

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=6267&highlight=Australian

lawyerforliberty
03-04-2010, 03:33 AM
Bashi said:

"Regarding Greer:

Just look at the vid between 0:42:45 - 0:42:47 .
It gave me the creeps when i saw that bite ...

vid here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzqDVOjtNhg"



Hardly worth noting. He appeared to me to be about to interject something before aborting. This is proof of what exactly?

That's what I saw. Greer was about to say something and simply stopped himself. He and Kerry were interrupting each other frequently, but on that ocassion he stopped himself and yielded to Kerry. That's all. Nothing more.

MargueriteBee
03-04-2010, 03:40 AM
Okay I have gone thru this entire thread and what I haven't seen is the fact that Kerry and Bill both need some spiritual help here. Come on guys lets fight back the darkness and shine some light on both. Let's use our gifts to put a bubble of protection around both right now! I invision two golden orbs of golden light like a shield around them... I invoke LOVE for them both!

Linda
03-04-2010, 03:46 AM
Here is Bill's thread link on the Ark.

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=6267&highlight=Australian

Thanks Carol. Very interesting.
A mini nuclear reactor will be there?
Is this project still in the works?


The 'Ark' is currently envisaged to include a shielded underground facility with hydroponics, technical and craft workshops, exercise and recreation facilities, a school, a comprehensive library, communication facilities, medical facilities,
the most advanced water recycling technology, its own micro-economy and democratic structure,
and (believe it or not) its own very clean mini nuclear reactor which will generate enough self-sufficient power for at least fifty years.

Myra
03-04-2010, 03:54 AM
I will blame the whole problem on some kind of negative energy which fell upon them...I have a feeling that someone maybe manipulating the whole thing from afar....maybe Bill and Kerry are under attack, without even realizing that....maybe they are being manipulated by outside forces...

Yup, most likely the Ages Old "Divide and Conquer" tactic.

Don't let it happen Kerry and Bill! :lightsabre:

TRANCOSO
03-04-2010, 04:13 AM
Just some random thoughts.

Why not see the bright side of what has happened the past couple of days? We have learned an awful lot. For one we all gathered in the chatroom & became 'familiar' with eachother.

WE are Avalon! All of us.

I think the most important fact that has surfaced is, that if we want to keep this forum online as it is, we should take precautions that the events that took place, can't happen again.

Computers do not understand me, so don't ask me how, but there must be some people who do, at the forum.

And let's quit the power & control game.

Moderators & members stood side by side in the chatroom, which told me there was/is no power/control dispute among us.

There are 2 kinds of members: those who feed the forum with content & those who mainly comment on that content. One without the other doesn't work. So no one is more - or less - important than the other.

The 'forum-feeders' & moderators tend to cling together, because they invest precious time in PA, mainly to produce 'material' that has value for the development of all individual members & guests.

The quality of the content is not measured by the number of hits (views) a topic scores overnight, but how threads develop in the long run.

I've been working for 'commercial' tv, where everything is measured by ratings. Viewers + ad-bloc = $. So I've studied PA through my tv eyes. Which threads/topics score in which category. It's interesting to see that online members react mainly on the 'here & now' & guests tend to surf through the library, for instance.

PA has become a database/library of knowledge.

That is what the PTB would like to see disappear/shut down.

The above I’ve already posted on the ‘Bill Ryan chat’ thread as well, but in my opinion it applies to this thread as well.

I want to add something too.

There are only so many – or better – few ‘genuine’ whistleblowers around.
The moment they have blown the whistle on their topic, they’re pretty much done. When someone had something really interesting to tell, viewers/listeners want to hear more revelations from that person. But he told everything he knew, so there’s nothing more to say, no matter how hard you push him/her.

Than there is the category of ‘whistleblowers’ who sort of get addicted to the ‘attention /fame’ they achieved with their original revelation & they start to become ‘repeaters’, claiming that they are blowing whistles. (Deagle, Peterson, etc) Some of those make a living out of it, attending the ‘Conference cirquit’, & in order to remain ‘hot’, start to fabricate ‘secrets’.

The problem with a regular ‘whistleblower’ radio show, is that the limited number of ‘genuine’ guests makes it hardly possible to air an exiting show on a regular bases.

So the choice that should be made than is you either broadcast only then when you have a truly genuine guest who has something new to tell, or you choose for weekly broadcasts, where 60% of your guests are either repeaters or straightforward hoaxers.

The more often you have the latter category of guests on your show, the less reliable your program becomes.

I think that this is - in a nutshell, the dilemma Project Camelot is facing.

jacody
03-04-2010, 04:31 AM
All I can say is that things shall get worse before they get better, but they will get better.

http://marga.mobile9.com/download/media/41/loveheart_da7w5a91.gif

In hopes that better comes soon, jacody:thumb_yello:

joel77
03-04-2010, 04:54 AM
hi folks just a few words.

i must say i was suprised at kerry,s outburst at bill that is not the behaviour of a grounded person.
i fear for her becouse it seems she is giving in to paranoia and anger.
in a way i can understand though as i know what its like when you feel a close freind has let you down.
it can be heart breaking and we all react to these situations in different ways.
it does seem though that there are people around her at the moment that may be may be rubbing salt in the wound and making matters worse.
any enemies that camalot have will rubbing there hands together with delight at the moment becouse this is exactly what they want.
not only is PC/PA being broken apart but the are being dis credited the process.

from now on people will use this as an excuse to say Kerry is unstable and therefore discredit her work.
this is character asasination at its worst.

it seems that K and B were going diferent directions with there investagative /journalistc tack any way.
Bill wanted much more substantiated testomony and kerry was much more willing to follow her heart and seems this had caused a rift between them.

however the heart can mis lead the best of us and like it or not its easy to be sucked in by clever people who tell us exactly what we want hear.

i really feel for both kerry and bill right they have both lost a major freindship and partner ship and i know more than most how much this can hurt.
they will both be feeling very vulnerable and upset right now.

spare a thought for them and try not to make this situation even harder for them by assigning blame and adding to the paranoia.

we will never know all the issues surrounding this (allthough its obvious they are both victims of manipulation) so lets not try to jump to many conclusions.
joel.

raulduke
03-04-2010, 05:10 AM
What a bummer to see the co-founders going at each other like this, though I don't think I've seen Bill outright insult Kerry as she did eariler here. I have respect for both Bill and Kerry and am grateful for their work, but right now the drama surrounding them is bringing this place down. Avalon (imho) has become something different since it began, something important, too important to risk over any personal squabbles. It's bigger than any one or two people.

Bill, Kerry, it would be nice if you could have a chat and work this out in private instead of on the internet, a place where sometimes even people who know each other well in the real world, can be harsher than they would face to face or even on the phone. For the sake of your projects membership and all that it stands for, please find a way to compromise civilly.


An Ark? What is that all about?

Don't forget about that cover charge. Something like a quarter million $ I think.

This is unfortunately rapidly becoming an episode of 'eastenders', sorry non UK you might not know what I'm on about LOL

Yer....tell me about it.

I freakin hate the yappy screaming soap.....never watch it.


:lol3: Didn't know "Eastenders" was a soap opera. "Barry off Eastenders" from Extras, is hilarious. His comedic timing is perfect, bet he's even funny in a soap.

uEJaVJHpKmE

daci
03-04-2010, 05:54 AM
Where are We? See you there.....




“You’re inside every kindness. When
a sick person feels better, you’re

that, and the onset of disease too.
You’re sudden, terrible screaming.

Some problems require we go for help:
when we knock on a stranger’s door,

you sent us. Nobody answers: it’s
you! When work feels necessary, you

are the way workers move in rhythm.
You are what is: the field, the players,

the ball, those watching. Someone
claims to have evidence that you do

not exist. You’re the one who brings
the evidence in, and the evidence

itself. You are inside the soul’s
great fear, every natural pleasure,

every vicious cruelty. You are in
every difference and irritation.

Someone loves something; someone else
hates the same. There you are.

Whatever eyes see, what anyone wants
or not: political power, injustice,

material possessions, those are your
script, the handwriting we study.

Body, soul, shadow. Whether reckless
or careful, you are what we do. It’s

absurd to ask your pardon. You’re
inside repentance, and sin! The wonder

of various jewels, agate, emerald.
How we are during a day, then at night,

you are those moods and qualities.
The pure compassion we feel for each

other. Every encampment has a tent
where the leader is and also the wide

truth of your imperial tent overall.” /Rumi/


With love,
Majda

MONITOR
03-04-2010, 06:25 AM
Third party Law:

Violence and conflict amongst individuals and nations have been with us for ages and their causes have remained a complete mystery. If Chaldea could vanish, if Babylon turn to dust, if Egypt could become a badlands, if Sicily could have 160 prosperous cities and be a looted ruin before the year zero and a near desert ever since-and all this in spite of all the work and wisdom and good wishes and intent of human beings, then it must follow as the dark follows sunset that something must be unknown to man concerning all his works and ways. And that this something must be so deadly and so pervasive as to destroy all his ambitions and his chances long before their time.

Such a thing would have to be some natural law unguessed at by himself.

And there is such a law, apparently, that answers these conditions of being deadly, unknown and embracing all activities.

The law would seem to be:

A THIRD PARTY MUST BE PRESENT AND UNKNOWN IN EVERY QUARREL FOR A CONFLICT TO EXIST.

or

FOR A QUARREL TO OCCUR, AN UNKNOWN THIRD PARTY MUST BE ACTIVE IN PRODUCING IT BETWEEN TWO POTENTIAL OPPONENTS.

or

WHILE IT IS COMMONLY BELIEVED TO TAKE TWO TO MAKE A FIGHT, A THIRD PARTY MUST EXIST AND MUST DEVELOP IT FOR ACTUAL CONFLICT TO OCCUR.

It is very easy to see that two in conflict are fighting. They are very visible. What is harder to see or suspect is that a third party existed and actively promoted the quarrel.

The usually unsuspected and “reasonable” third party, the bystander who denies any part of it, is the one that brought the conflict into existence in the first place.

The hidden third party, seeming at times to be a supporter of only one side, is to be found as the instigator.

This is a useful law in many areas of life.

It is the cause of war.

One sees two fellows shouting bad names at each other, sees them come to blows.

No one else is around. So they, of course, “caused the fight.” But there was a third party.

Tracing these down, one comes upon incredible data. That is the trouble. The incredible is too easily rejected. One way to hide things is to make them incredible.

Clerk A and Messenger B have been arguing. They blaze into direct conflict. Each blames the other. Neither one is correct and so the quarrel does not resolve since its true cause is not established.

One looks into such a case thoroughly. He finds the incredible. The wife of Clerk A has been sleeping with Messenger B and complaining alike to both about the other.

Farmer J and Rancher K have been tearing each other to pieces for years in continual conflict. There are obvious, logical reasons for the fight. Yet it continues and does not resolve. A close search finds Banker L who, due to their losses in the fighting, is able to loan each side money, while keeping the quarrel going, and who will get their lands completely if both lose.

It goes larger. The revolutionary forces and the Russian government were in conflict in 1917. The reasons are so many the attention easily sticks on them. But only when Germany’s official state papers were captured in World War II was it revealed that Germany had promoted the revolt and financed Lenin to spark it off, even sending him into Russia in a blacked-out train!

One looks over “personal” quarrels, group conflicts, national battles and one finds, if he searches, the third party, unsuspected by both combatants or, if suspected at all, brushed off as “fantastic.” Yet careful documentation finally affirms it.

This datum is fabulously useful.

In marital quarrels the correct approach of anyone counseling is to get both parties to carefully search out the third party. They may come to many reasons at first. These reasons are not beings (people). One is looking for a third party, an actual being. When both find the third party and establish proof, that will be the end of the quarrel.

Sometimes two parties, quarreling, suddenly decide to elect a being to blame. This stops the quarrel. Sometimes it is not the right being and more quarrels thereafter occur.

Two nations at each other’s throats should each seek conference with the other to sift out and locate the actual third party. They will always find one if they look, and they can find the right one. As it will be found to exist in fact.

There are probably many technical approaches one could develop and outline in this matter.

There are many odd phenomena connected with it. An accurately spotted third party is usually not fought at all by either party but only shunned.

Marital conflicts are common. Marriages can be saved by both parties really sorting out who caused the conflicts. There may have been, in the whole history of the marriage several, but only one at a time.

Quarrels between an individual and an organization are nearly always caused by an individual third party or a third group. The organization and the individual should get together and isolate the third party by displaying to each other all the data they each have been fed.

Rioters and governments alike could be brought back to agreement could one get representatives of both to give each other what they have been told by whom.

Such conferences have tended to deal only in recriminations or conditions or abuses. They must deal in beings only in order to succeed.

This theory might be thought to assert also that there are no bad conditions that cause conflict. There are. But these are usually remedial by conference unless a third party is promoting conflict.

In history we have a very foul opinion of the past because it is related by recriminations of two opponents and has not spotted the third party.

“Underlying causes” of war should read “hidden promoters.”

There are no conflicts which cannot be resolved unless the true promoters of them remain hidden.

This is the natural law the ancients and moderns alike did not know.

And not knowing it, being led off into “reasons,” whole civilizations have died.

It is worth knowing.

It is worth working with in any situation where one is trying to bring peace.
Another very important factor in third party technology is false reports. False reports are written or spoken statements which turn out to be groundless or deceitful or which knowingly contain lies.

We know that a third party is necessary to any quarrel.

In reviewing several organizational upsets, it was found that the third party can go completely overlooked even in intensive investigation.

By giving false reports on others, a third party causes harm and wreaks havoc amongst individuals and groups.

In several cases an organization has lost several guiltless staff members. They were dismissed or disciplined in an effort to solve upsets. Yet the turbulence continued and the area became even more upset by reason of the dismissals.

Running this back further, one finds that the real third party, eventually unearthed, got people shot by false reports.

One source of this is as follows:

Staff member X goofs. He is very furious and defensive at being accused. He blames his goof on somebody else. That somebody else gets disciplined. Staff member X diverts attention from himself by various means including falsely accusing others.

This is a third party action which results in a lot of people being blamed and disciplined. And the real third party remaining undetected.

The missing point of justice here is that the disciplined persons were not faced with their accusers and were not given the real accusation and so could not confront it.

Another case would be a third party simply spreading tales and making accusations out of malice or some even more vicious motive. This would be a usual third party action. It is ordinarily based on false reports.

Another situation comes about when a person in charge of some area who can’t get the area straight starts to investigate, gets third party false reports about it, disciplines people accordingly and totally misses the real third party. This upsets the area even more.

The basis of all really troublesome third party activities is then false reports.

There can also be false perception. One sees things that don’t exist and reports them as “fact.”

Therefore we see that we can readily run back an investigation by following a chain of false reports.

In at least one case the third party (discovered only after it was very plain that only he could have wrecked two areas of the organization, one after the other) also had these characteristics:

1. Goofed in his own actions

2. Furiously contested any reports filed on him

3. Obsessively changed everything when taking over an area

4. Falsely reported actions, accusing others

5. Had a high casualty rate of staff in his area

These are not necessarily common to all third parties but give you an idea of what can go on

From experience in dealing with ethics and justice matters in groups it is apparent that the real source of upset in an area would be false reports accepted and acted upon without confronting the accused with all charges and his or her accusers.

A person with any degree of authority in a group should not accept any accusation and act upon it. To do so undermines the security of one and all. One could, as a start, refuse to act on any information unless it were proven by personal investigation not to be the action of some third party.

On being presented with an accusation or “evidence” a person in charge of some activity should conduct an investigation of false reports and false perceptions. In this way one can then verify such reports and arrive at the true source of the trouble and avoid disciplining individuals who may be innocent.

Justice, then, would consist of a refusal to accept any report not substantiated by actual, independent data, seeing that all such reports are investigated and that all investigations include confronting the accused with the accusation and where feasible the accuser, before any disciplinary action is undertaken or any penalty assigned.

While this may slow the processes of justice, the personal security of the individual is totally dependent upon establishing the full truth of any accusation before any action is taken.




Taken from the Scientology Handbook

Jonathon
03-04-2010, 06:44 AM
Is this a test?

I have to commend many of the fine spirits here who have refused to allow themselves to be dragged down the mole hole - picking sides and polarizing these events any more than they already are.

Bill represents an excellent archetypal masculine energy - collected, tactical, rational. Kerry, an excellent archetypal feminine energy - passionate, emotional, engaging. Both energies are needed to maintain balance in the material. I think we may all agree on that. The current arrangement (division through a central portal) may be a good compromise at this juncture, however if this situation is allowed to deteriorate further your work and credibility may be at serious risk (which, in my humble opinion, is the precise result sought by the originator of this hub-bub).

Wikipedia: An infectious disease is a clinically evident illness resulting from the presence of pathogenic microbial agents.

Cancer: is a class of diseases in which a group of cells display uncontrolled growth (division beyond the normal limits), invasion (intrusion on and destruction of adjacent tissues), and sometimes metastasis (spread to other locations in the body).

I think we all get it.

My humble advice... cut it loose and pronto. Whatever IT is ain't worth it, nor is IT what it appears to be to whomever is seeking it.

Forgive the obvious inflection here, however with all the love I can muster I must ask: perhaps you should have been expecting and preparing for this? The both of you have monster-sized targets on your backsides and this should come as no surprise. Further, you aren't hard people to know and your weaknesses are evident - you both appear to have enough integrity and character not to hide behind some fiction of yourselves. Expect your buttons to be pushed. Expect your greatest fears and desires to be used against you. These are the shoes you have so graciously selected. We salute you both for that. Furthermore, we are here to support you. Perhaps the silver lining here is that you now realize this fact and, indeed it is no accident, are now here.

You both have my support, however I doubt this is the poetic and artful ending either of you intended (if indeed one was intended at all).

Now for Ghandi:
A coward is incapable of exhibiting love; it is the prerogative of the brave.
A small body of determined spirits fired by an unquenchable faith in their mission can alter the course of history.

Breathe deeply. Surrender. Smile. Jump.

burgundia
03-04-2010, 08:06 AM
Mother earth is shaking all over the world now, releasing some negative energy...maybe the forum is "shaking" for the same reason....

MONITOR
03-04-2010, 09:48 AM
How to Find a Third Party

The way not to find a third party is to compile a questionnaire that asks one and all in various ways, “Have you been a victim?” Do not ask questions such as, “Who has been mean to you?” or other questions which would tend to elicit answers that the person has been victimized. This kind of question will not locate the individual stirring up conflicts between people but may only name executives and others in the group who are trying to get people to do their jobs and be productive!

Anyone who uses this approach (1) does not find any third party and (2) causes people to mentally or physically collapse to the extent that they cannot function causatively.

By definition, a third party is one who by false reports creates trouble between two people, a person and a group or a group and another group.

The object of the investigation, then, is to find out who has been spreading false reports in order to stir up conflicts between people or groups. To find a third party one has to ask those involved in the dispute questions along the following lines:

1a. Have you been told you were in bad?

b.What was said?

c. Who said it?

2a. Have you been told someone was bad?

b. What was said?

c. Who said it?

3a. Have you been told someone was doing wrong?

b. What was said?

c. Who said it?

4a. Have you been told a group was bad?

b. What was said?

c. Who said it?




To find a third party; ask who has been telling people that others were bad, doing wrong, etc.


An entire group can be asked such questions, and when the results are viewed. . .



. . . one person’s name will appear far more often than others. This is the person to investigate for creating disharmony and conflicts.



A questionnaire like this should have a limiter such as “On your job________?” or “In your marriage__________?” or “In this family__________?”

It may also have a lot of answers so leave ample space for each question.

By then combining names given, you have one name appearing far more often than the rest. This is done by counting names. You then investigate this person.

By following this procedure, you will find out exactly who has been stirring up conflicts and thus open the door to their resolution.

With this tool in your hands you will be able to change conditions between family members, associates and groups you come into contact with and restore harmony.

It is the solution to a host of ills that have worried men for ages.

TheChosen
03-04-2010, 10:11 AM
Mel is the best alternative radio talk show host out there.. and that's the result of him asking the right questions to his guests, which again is the result of project camelot influence as he himself noted. I feel quite annoyed when other radio hosts get some great people on their show but then start asking completely irrelevant questions. I feel the negative remarks for him are the result of people having their bubble burst and are now looking for blood.. It was a simple misunderstanding, get over it and use your own intuition when judging people

K626
03-04-2010, 11:09 AM
Bashi said:

"Regarding Greer:

Just look at the vid between 0:42:45 - 0:42:47 .
It gave me the creeps when i saw that bite ...

vid here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzqDVOjtNhg"





That's what I saw. Greer was about to say something and simply stopped himself. He and Kerry were interrupting each other frequently, but on that ocassion he stopped himself and yielded to Kerry. That's all. Nothing more.

We need to bear in mind he's clearly on body building drugs and as soon as he becomes uncomfortable 37 onwards...His gestures and constant mouth re-shaping are him trying to control his base anger...The body building drugs don't help in this scenario especially something like ephedrine etc...He talks a lot of **** as well. :original:

Bill Ryan
03-04-2010, 12:00 PM
Dear All:

I just wrote this e-mail to Mel Fabregas, and felt I should also copy it here for reasons that wil be clear.


Hi, Mel -

Kerry was kind enough to forward your message to her below. My own e-mail address is this one. Kerry is still able to see all mails sent to the bill@projectcamelot.org address, and that’s fine with me.

It’s as clear as day that Camelot is being taken down. We crossed several lines back in the summer - as I detailed in my post half way down page 1 of the thread here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=247623&postcount=10

There you will see a serious and highly plausible summary analysis. [Note that the s**t has hit the fan even FURTHER since I published that summary.]

This is no trivial personal disagreement: it goes right to the heart (on several counts) of everything that we stand for (and which you and many others do, too). Passions are raised to white heat because we care so much.

Our child (Camelot) is being tortured and killed... please forgive the grim metaphor, but that is what it feels like. Neither of us put four years of our lives into this so that we could reach this place.

I salute you for your even keel, your dedication, and for your excellent interviewing skills. It’s clear why you are well respected. Speaking personally (just because I’m writing this) I regard you as a friend who intends the best.

Re Laughlin, I was not there (as you know), so I do not know what happened. I tried to look on your private forum but (like many others) couldn’t enter to see what had actually been written and by whom.

As far as I am concerned you can forward or re-post this statement anywhere at any time.

With all best wishes, Bill

Aztar
03-04-2010, 12:24 PM
Bill you transparency with the PA forum community is to be commended :)

Bill Ryan
03-04-2010, 12:39 PM
And another message, to one of Camelot's most long-standing supporters:

Dear _________

I copied this statement on the Avalon forum just now:

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=248444&postcount=178

Thank you for your message and thoughts. I totally understand - as a mother (see the analogy I referenced in my post), you may feel my own pain and anger about what has happened.

Of course, we cannot bomb this into peace. There’s a lot of work going on behind the scenes. At some point we have to talk, and are seeking a moderator with balls of steel who understands and respects us both.

In the meantime, I’m just not able to sit on my hands and watch this engineered destruction with equanimity. I ask your forgiveness and understanding of that also.

I wept yesterday because I was feeling Kerry’s pain at a distance. She is also watching all this happen around her, and is helpless.

Love to you too - you are one of the most solid and immovable of all Camelot’s friends over the years. I deeply appreciate all your wisdom, intelligence and commitment.

Bill

Céline
03-04-2010, 12:47 PM
Bill you transparency with the PA forum community is to be commended :)

i and others feel the same thanlk you Aztar..

my heart breaks as i watch this happen..

know that BOTH of you are loved and so many wish you BOTH well

enemyofNWO
03-04-2010, 02:56 PM
And another message, to one of Camelot's most long-standing supporters:

Dear _________

I copied this statement on the Avalon forum just now:

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=248444&postcount=178

Thank you for your message and thoughts. I totally understand - as a mother (see the analogy I referenced in my post), you may feel my own pain and anger about what has happened.

Of course, we cannot bomb this into peace. There’s a lot of work going on behind the scenes. At some point we have to talk, and are seeking a moderator with balls of steel who understands and respects us both.

In the meantime, I’m just not able to sit on my hands and watch this engineered destruction with equanimity. I ask your forgiveness and understanding of that also.

I wept yesterday because I was feeling Kerry’s pain at a distance. She is also watching all this happen around her, and is helpless.

Love to you too - you are one of the most solid and immovable of all Camelot’s friends over the years. I deeply appreciate all your wisdom, intelligence and commitment.

Bill



What we are seeing here is to be viewed in the background of a larger picture . For example . The website : theTruthseeker , the owner was put on Facebook without his knowledge by some spooks I presume . Smokingmirrors' Les visible has been targeted with strange occurrences , some other websites such as "Rense " have been subjected to repeated DOS attacks (denial of service ) . Australia is trying to put an Internet filter to prevent access to some sites ...
I could go on . I see a pattern . Are things " quickening " ?

Bill and Kerry . You are under attack from the outside and from the inside by infiltration . You must be doing something right if this is any consolation to you.
I recently read the Dane Tops material . Shades of the taking down of Ron Hubbards . The PTB is very pi@@@d off .
Cheers

Myplanet2
03-04-2010, 03:54 PM
WOW. It's really an eye opener to witness how the LAW OF ATTRACTION seems to somehow hide itself from so many people. Stupendous. The list of obvious, is long.

Fredkc
03-04-2010, 04:40 PM
Monitor,

Your post above was a good summation of a common pattern of behavior.

If I might presume to sum up by mixing two things.

1. Something I heard last night:
"Never trade away a good friend for a new one."

2. Something my mother warned me about:
Beware of people who want to play, "Let's you and him fight!"

Fred

burgundia
03-04-2010, 04:43 PM
After reading all this thread I'm surprised nobody made a comment about gita's post # 105 which I think it's the wisest one. Everybody is just focused in the conflict and the she said/he said.
Bill and Kerry, I just hope the two of you can find common ground again and even with separate sites, a lot of people are looking up to both of you. I admire you both I wish you the best.

you are right. I read gita's comment , intended to say sth about it but was in a hurry to go to work. You are absolutely right. It is one of the best if not the best commment on this thread...

Stargazer1965
03-04-2010, 07:10 PM
Now back to the fake Camelot Channel....I posted "THIS IS FAKE" comments and they never showed though other positive comments have.

I used the REPORT button but all it seemed to do was report the background image.....

I'll keep trying

Peace Y'all

Linda
03-04-2010, 07:10 PM
Thanks Carol. Very interesting.

A mini nuclear reactor will be there?

Is this project still in the works?


The 'Ark' is currently envisaged to include a shielded underground facility with hydroponics, technical and craft workshops, exercise and recreation facilities, a school, a comprehensive library, communication facilities, medical facilities,
the most advanced water recycling technology, its own micro-economy and democratic structure,
and (believe it or not) its own very clean mini nuclear reactor which will generate enough self-sufficient power for at least fifty years.



Don't forget about that cover charge. Something like a quarter million $ I think.


Wow. So, is this place already complete?
I never heard about this project.

THEWATCHER
03-04-2010, 07:12 PM
Dear All:

I just wrote this e-mail to Mel Fabregas, and felt I should also copy it here for reasons that wil be clear.


Hi, Mel -

Kerry was kind enough to forward your message to her below. My own e-mail address is this one. Kerry is still able to see all mails sent to the bill@projectcamelot.org address, and that’s fine with me.

It’s as clear as day that Camelot is being taken down. We crossed several lines back in the summer - as I detailed in my post half way down page 1 of the thread here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=247623&postcount=10

There you will see a serious and highly plausible summary analysis. [Note that the s**t has hit the fan even FURTHER since I published that summary.]

This is no trivial personal disagreement: it goes right to the heart (on several counts) of everything that we stand for (and which you and many others do, too). Passions are raised to white heat because we care so much.

Our child (Camelot) is being tortured and killed... please forgive the grim metaphor, but that is what it feels like. Neither of us put four years of our lives into this so that we could reach this place.

I salute you for your even keel, your dedication, and for your excellent interviewing skills. It’s clear why you are well respected. Speaking personally (just because I’m writing this) I regard you as a friend who intends the best.

Re Laughlin, I was not there (as you know), so I do not know what happened. I tried to look on your private forum but (like many others) couldn’t enter to see what had actually been written and by whom.

As far as I am concerned you can forward or re-post this statement anywhere at any time.

With all best wishes, Bill

Bill, you can read this and then think on it or simply take it with a pinch of salt. Not my job to convince you or anyone. But from my perspective, and that of my handlers, working within certain circles, we are seeing certain aspects which are worrying. You mention above about crossing lines, boy whom has not in this line of work. What neither yourself nor Kerry did was to stand back and look at the queue forming of 'insiders' ready and willing to spill the beans for Camelot. I should refrain from name calling as I'm sure you and Kerry will state you are comfortable with the way certain individuals have approached you, given interviews, and have embedded themselves into the regular Camelot 'family'. Perhaps neither of you thought about WHY these 'insiders' suddenly formed that queue to see you guys and get their testimony on film? No one here will accept what I'm saying, some say I'm p****** in the wind in this area BUT from the inside I too see whats happening, whether anyone cares to believe is up to them. Just a friendly warning from one whom sees more than most. Camelot ran into problems the minute certain 'insiders' got their feet in the door and got their feet under the table. I refer specifically to DB, BD, PP. Too many cooks spoil the broth, too many docs spoil the disclosure. Think my friend. Barry

Stargazer1965
03-04-2010, 07:21 PM
Bill, you can read this and then think on it or simply take it with a pinch of salt. I refer specifically to DB, BD, PP. Too many cooks spoil the broth, too many docs spoil the disclosure. Think my friend. Barry

Hey Barry...I often thought about this also...

Once one problem gets close to Camelot...they vouch for the next problem

It's an incestuous problem now...but in B&K's line of work....Who can you trust??

Once there is a buy in for one or 2 folks .....trust becomes thinner as it branches out from the original trusted source.

Well DB vouched for the guy and I trust DB....so the guy has to be on the up and up.

I'm just speculating....I don't know what the process really is.

The web for FOBs and FOKs (Friend of Bill...Friend of Kerry) becomes a web of lies once infiltrated

Peace Y'all

pilot
03-04-2010, 08:06 PM
Let's take a moment to look on the bright side, shall we? The damage has been done...not to the ground crew, but to the PTB! A dynamic group has formed around the truth-seeking efforts of two individuals, much community building and discourse has taken place, people of like minds from around the globe have joined together, made friends, shared and awakened together. I was under the impression that project Avalon was about community building, not a black-ops whistle-blower fan club...we have on the boards at this time so many tools to create new ways of being in our respective spheres...what's the prob? Getting embroiled in drama is not what we came here for, is it??

I am sorry Bill and Kerry are having a difficult time, and I wish them well. I say we stop giving so much power to the shadows, these numb-nuts only have it because we give it to them. I am sure there are those who would disagree with me on that point, but I can only speak from my own experience.

I am grateful to all members here and to Bill and Kerry-"they" cannot take away or destroy what has been created here-too late PTB:tongue2: You hopefully realize that you are NOT on the winning side...

Peace

Lightpotential
03-04-2010, 08:23 PM
What neither yourself nor Kerry did was to stand back and look at the queue forming of 'insiders' ready and willing to spill the beans for Camelot. I should refrain from name calling as I'm sure you and Kerry will state you are comfortable with the way certain individuals have approached you, given interviews, and have embedded themselves into the regular Camelot 'family'. Perhaps neither of you thought about WHY these 'insiders' suddenly formed that queue to see you guys and get their testimony on film? No one here will accept what I'm saying, some say I'm p****** in the wind in this area BUT from the inside I too see whats happening, whether anyone cares to believe is up to them. Just a friendly warning from one whom sees more than most. Camelot ran into problems the minute certain 'insiders' got their feet in the door and got their feet under the table. I refer specifically to DB, BD, PP. Too many cooks spoil the broth, too many docs spoil the disclosure. Think my friend. Barry


Dear Watcher,

I agree completely with your assessment here. And it was bound to happen. It could not really have played out any other way for PC. The more successful, the more people would be approaching Bill and Kerry. As I am sure you realise, one thing in insuring that you are not being taken for a ride - at least an important thing - is the question of who exactly approaches whom?

If Bill or Kerry looked at someone's work and thought it sound, and approached them, then that would be far more credible than if somebody sought them out.

I would say that what is really lacking with PC are the researchers to back up the stories of the whistleblowers. This is critical for me. For the latter do indeed simply 'tell stories' e.g. I was at a deep underground military base once, turned a corner, and saw an 8 foot tall alien with weird eyes etc... Of what value is this kind of testimony, when put on the internet by an anonymous source behind a fake name?

I personally like researchers more than whistleblowers. I like people like Joseph Farrell for example. Or even Patrick Geryl. Now indeed, of the latter, I do not believe his catastrophic theories of 2012, but I respect that he lays out his theories and you can judge them.

If PC is to have any real strength of credibility (of its whistleblowers), it needs to have solid researchers back up the science behind some of the more 'fantastic claims' of the whistleblowers themselves. When a man like Henry Deacon says "I went to Mars", I want to know how? I want to know something of the science behind such a transportation. Without that, he is just telling a story. And lets face it, I do not know this man. Not really. And this is the position that most people here who participate on this forum are in.

LP

pineal-pilot-in merkabah
03-04-2010, 09:19 PM
Dear Watcher,


I would say that what is really lacking with PC are the researchers to back up the stories of the whistleblowers. This is critical for me. For the latter do indeed simply 'tell stories' e.g. I was at a deep underground military base once, turned a corner, and saw an 8 foot tall alien with weird eyes etc... Of what value is this kind of testimony, when put on the internet by an anonymous source behind a fake name?

I personally like researchers more than whistleblowers. I like people like Joseph Farrell for example. Or even Patrick Geryl. Now indeed, of the latter, I do not believe his catastrophic theories of 2012, but I respect that he lays out his theories and you can judge them.

If PC is to have any real strength of credibility (of its whistleblowers), it needs to have solid researchers back up the science behind some of the more 'fantastic claims' of the whistleblowers themselves. When a man like Henry Deacon says "I went to Mars", I want to know how? I want to know something of the science behind such a transportation. Without that, he is just telling a story. And lets face it, I do not know this man. Not really. And this is the position that most people here who participate on this forum are in.

LP agree with this statement. today was the first bright sunny day in england in a long time. i made a planter for the garden wall and sipped tea on a chair in the garden. i wondered what plants i might put in it and how wonderful it will look in summer. i could feel the positivity and warmth flooding out of me like a lighthouse. perhaps all concerned should take afew days off once all the website changes are completed. this is the stuff thats equally important. taking time to smell the flowers, look at the sky , listen to the birds. soak it all in!! :wub2::cup:

Kerry Cassidy
03-04-2010, 09:32 PM
Hi Bill, Change for the better I guess, one thing that I must ask you Bill is this. What happens to the sub forum here kindly created by Kerry which contains my material, the 'Whistleblowers....unvetted by Project Camelot'?
Also, a colleague of mine Miles Johnston, he whom produced the various 'Bases' series of tapes and DVDs stated he met Project Camelot personnel at the recent Laughlin congress and how they felt very let down by not being able to interview either myself or James Casbolt recently. Care to comment on that? Cheers Bill, warmest regards, Barry

Hi Barry,

I won't be able to help you maintain your subforum on Avalon.. Since I have turned Avalon.net and forum over to Bill. Hopefully they will keep your subforum going.

Yes we were quite disappointed not to be able to meet up with you or James Casbolt while we were in the UK... There is a lot of unresolved issues going around regarding things Camelot at the moment so please be aware of this... Two sides to every story and all. I seldom visit this forum so if you want to contact me please use the email address: kerry@projectcamelot.org

Best wishes,

Kerry

THEWATCHER
03-04-2010, 10:18 PM
Hi Kerry, thankyou for letting me know, was unsure as to whom might be the one running which forum. well, if Bill keeps it going fine, if not, can't be helped, we start all over again in time. My very best wishes for both You and Bill. that interview could be arranged another time even if its an audio only across the miles. Keep well, warmest regards, Barry

THE eXchanger
03-04-2010, 10:42 PM
Good advise Barry, thanks for sharing your thoughts

all the best, to both Bill, and, Kerry

maybe, it is time, to step from the past, into the present
and, create 'new' stuff, in the pivot of this NOW

after_all, it is the future, we all got to live in

BEST OF LUCK on the launching
OF ALL the new sites

love/susan

Kulapops
03-04-2010, 11:06 PM
maybe, it is time, to step from the past, into the present
and, create 'new' stuff, in the pivot of this NOW

after_all, it is the future, we all got to live in


love/susan

Erm.. I think it's actually the NOW we get to live in :original:

Like, er.. Now !

and always...

Love to you eXchanger...

K

Carol
03-04-2010, 11:43 PM
Hi Linda,

Bill and Kerry found out about the Ark on their Australian trip in 2008 and Bill was very taken with it. I do believe it is still viable and Bill would be the person to ask as he would know who to contact.

pax

Slerbot
03-05-2010, 02:09 AM
Re: Jack Burns and his profile: I don't like the glowing, bronzed facebook 'interpretation' of this Crocoshyte Dundee guy one bit.

Are we supposed to be impressed by his high profile friends and his no-nonsense fake portrait?
Is he to be the CIA's next Hugh Jackman? What's up with
all of this? Something stinks.

Jealousy abounds regarding this stereotyped macho alright (least from the
crappy painting), but Bill might be onto something about this latest smooth
operator. My instinct is Kerry would be wise to get away from that one, if
only as connection to him (and this major new fracture) will surely pull down
what remains of PC's credibility.

I haven't seen a 'fair-dinkum aussie' that looks like that, who also can help
organise conferences, rope a crock in his sleep, and is knowledgable about
secret govt advanced future tech, dodging invisible scrambler beams from
black-ops satellites etc... since I last time I viewed this dodgy Paul Hogan
impersonator's facebook profile. "You call that a neutrino weapon?.."

Haha, sport! What a crock....

FTR I am australian (and living out of town), and know all about 'us' and our
few stereotypes, and this kind of 'bloke' does not ring true for a second,
as much as it appeals.

It's been there all along and I can't say I could blame either Bill or Kerry for
these major ruptures, but.. there are some suspicious people around them
now, as there were when they were under the sway of the so-called 'Dr'
Dan Burrish.

It all started to go to poop with Dr. Rubbish/Marci and their PsyOps BS. I
feel PC should have admitted some error there (about his past 'testimomy'),
not tried to save face.

And then we had 'Dr' Pete Peterson, much hyped. Doctor's of all disciplines
are very easy to come by, and half of them are also full of shyte. Peterson
gave me the creeps and provided almost nothing of real worth. I thought he
was all huff and puff, and needed some quiet time on the potty, alone with
his inventions (still waiting, Pete). I can't say I believe David Wilcock really
believed alot of Peterson's puffing either, but he has other stuff to sell in
his site, reputations were on the line, and he's a shrude small businessman
as much as a 'seer', in my opinion, though his articles and analysis are usually
very good.

At the time of the asian visit, Bill was also convinced of 'Jake Simpson's
authenticity. Now it's been suggested by some he is in fact 'Jack Burns'.
There are some very good actors out there, the pay or rewards must beat
what they could pull in tv and film right now. Why should we believe
anything he (Jake S) has said in the past, either? Are we being led again..
is that the idea? I am tired of being conned by this stuff.

If you know the truth on something, why not speak it without 16 additional
layers of BULLSHYTE and fake names, please. Please do not impersonate
others or present suspect information stolen or cobbled together from other
sources. And please Bill and Kerry, do not throw these things at the world
unless you can verify from other independent sources that the
whistleblower is genuine.

I feel we have all been fooled on PC many times. However I also believe
there is sometimes truths in some of what PC/PA/Portal/Twitter Feed
continues to present (depending on the interviewee!). I have seen many
likely scenarios and 'predictions' fail to materialise even recently, yet some
of those people were apparently trusted sources. 'Dr' Deagle has also been
SHOWN TO BE a waste of time. Why keep going back, flaggelation?


I have been critical as I have read, followed and listened, and have also
been fooled and made to realise it. Now, our BS detector's are in need of
re-tuning, they are more important than ever!

I am thankful for both Kerry and Bill for going to such lengths and troubles
and expense (thanks to donations too!) to always present their interviews,
radio shows, video's and opinions to the world GRATIS. I for now hope they
can mend their relationship in short time, as I enjoyed their joint interviews
and even occasional bickering!

All the best to you both, don't let them win.

Thank you.

PS. Barry, I read your post after I posted! About the Doc's and the 'insiders', a very good call.

waitinginthewings
03-05-2010, 02:23 AM
Re: Jack Burns and his profile: I don't like the glowing, bronzed facebook 'interpretation' of this Crocoshyte Dundee guy one bit.



Jake or whoever he is, is what I call a "smooth operator". Watch out Kerry!

mntruthseeker
03-05-2010, 03:07 AM
Mel is the best alternative radio talk show host out there.. and that's the result of him asking the right questions to his guests, which again is the result of project camelot influence as he himself noted. I feel quite annoyed when other radio hosts get some great people on their show but then start asking completely irrelevant questions. I feel the negative remarks for him are the result of people having their bubble burst and are now looking for blood.. It was a simple misunderstanding, get over it and use your own intuition when judging people

A simple misunderstanding ? Says who ?

I have a copy of the full blog which I copied yesterday before it was conviently erased. Why was it erased ?

The blog was not part of an interview, you are wrong......So read the words before you insinuate anything. So he didnt get this information by asking the right question.

I myself, pride myself with telling the truth and seeking the truth.

I'm sorry that this came out, I admired Mel for the work he does.

I seen another side of him when he came down and let his temper fly all over a member here that simply asked a question. That particular member is one that Bill knows quite well and I would hope that Bill realizes who is friends are and understand that his friend was actually shaking pretty bad over what happened and shaking for quite a long time Would be nice for Bill to contact that person and see for himself

So by saying we need to use our own intuition before judging someone.................goes both ways.


I do not follow a trend of people that is going ot just agree to agree . I will only agree if its the right thing to do.

MargueriteBee
03-05-2010, 05:31 AM
Dear All:

I just wrote this e-mail to Mel Fabregas, and felt I should also copy it here for reasons that wil be clear.


Hi, Mel -

Kerry was kind enough to forward your message to her below. My own e-mail address is this one. Kerry is still able to see all mails sent to the bill@projectcamelot.org address, and that’s fine with me.

It’s as clear as day that Camelot is being taken down. We crossed several lines back in the summer - as I detailed in my post half way down page 1 of the thread here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=247623&postcount=10

There you will see a serious and highly plausible summary analysis. [Note that the s**t has hit the fan even FURTHER since I published that summary.]

This is no trivial personal disagreement: it goes right to the heart (on several counts) of everything that we stand for (and which you and many others do, too). Passions are raised to white heat because we care so much.

Our child (Camelot) is being tortured and killed... please forgive the grim metaphor, but that is what it feels like. Neither of us put four years of our lives into this so that we could reach this place.

I salute you for your even keel, your dedication, and for your excellent interviewing skills. It’s clear why you are well respected. Speaking personally (just because I’m writing this) I regard you as a friend who intends the best.

Re Laughlin, I was not there (as you know), so I do not know what happened. I tried to look on your private forum but (like many others) couldn’t enter to see what had actually been written and by whom.

As far as I am concerned you can forward or re-post this statement anywhere at any time.

With all best wishes, Bill

Let's all build a shell of protection around Bill and Kerry. The protection of the Energy of Love. Thank you. Shine the Light!

manticore
03-05-2010, 07:42 AM
A simple misunderstanding ? Says who ?

I have a copy of the full blog which I copied yesterday before it was conviently erased. Why was it erased ?

The blog was not part of an interview, you are wrong......So read the words before you insinuate anything. So he didnt get this information by asking the right question.

I myself, pride myself with telling the truth and seeking the truth.

I'm sorry that this came out, I admired Mel for the work he does.

I seen another side of him when he came down and let his temper fly all over a member here that simply asked a question. That particular member is one that Bill knows quite well and I would hope that Bill realizes who is friends are and understand that his friend was actually shaking pretty bad over what happened and shaking for quite a long time Would be nice for Bill to contact that person and see for himself

So by saying we need to use our own intuition before judging someone.................goes both ways.


I do not follow a trend of people that is going ot just agree to agree . I will only agree if its the right thing to do.
mntruthseeker,

Kerry and Bill have already corresponded with me. The reason that the thread was locked and some of the posts removed was to avoid further misunderstanding and commotion. We are supposed to stand behind Kerry and Bill during these difficult times. Project Camelot is their child. Stop wasting your time by focusing on me.

I'm glad to continue communicating with Kerry and Bill and will do whatever I can to assist in any way possible. Time to move on mntruthseeker. There are more important issues to be reconciled at this time.

Cheers,

Mel

Humble Janitor
03-05-2010, 07:50 AM
I don't know who you are but you are clearly a paid operative of an agency... You are posting outright lies. Unfortunately, Bill has not the intelligence or the honor to recognize this.

Kerry

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

Time out here.

Did you really have to slip in that dig at Bill?

Also, how can you know if someone is an agent if you don't know who they are?

Humble Janitor
03-05-2010, 07:57 AM
This is an interesting exchange so let me respond:

We are not a single entity existing inside a single body. I mean we as each of us.

We are composite beings.

With this in mind, how can you argue that this is not the same being as years ago?

There is a spark of every sentient being inside all of us.

Uncle John

I don't think Bill was taking a dig at Greer.

Speaking from personal experience, there are many things that can make a person appear to have changed or taken on the form of a different person.

For me, I found that when I applied myself in the correct manner in life, I became someone that even I despised (and so many others).

I doubt Greer has been possessed but it's possible that with all he's been through, it has strengthened him and added another layer onto his personality. We all take on different forms and wear different hats throughout life.

Then again, I hate to see this forum degenerate into name-calling between two people that up until the forum split, I had the utmost respect for. I pledged money just for the privilege of being a part of the forums. It is an experience that I don't regret and by not taking sides, I find it easier to absorb, dissect and come to a personal conclusion/opinion on many of the different aspects presented here.

If someone is making things up and posing as someone else, they should be ashamed of themselves and they will pay for it karmically as well.

nagual
03-05-2010, 08:03 AM
Unfortunately, Bill has not the intelligence or the honor to recognize this.

Kerry

Has she lost her mind?

Stargazer1965
03-05-2010, 12:17 PM
Folks...I love you all...and Please Stop!!

Follow your mama's rule here...If you don't have something nice to say...Please keep it to yourself until this situation settles down.

Mel is not the problem here
T3J is not the problem here

We can't get to the problem but we can support folks when they need it most

I have done and wrote some hair brain things in my life I wish i could take back....

AND they were not out there for all the world

Avalon will change...

The trolls will be there

I hope Bill will be there more

But in the end....It's the folks that share on Avalon that makes it Avalon

Not a name....not who founded it

And we are not susceptible to attacks because we are many...they are few

But from this example...we can be thrown into disarray

Please stop....I don't beg often but please get back to what we do best

SHARE


and

GROW

Peace Y'all

Aztar
03-05-2010, 12:33 PM
Update on this site:

THIS IS NOT THE PROJECT CAMELOT CHANNEL.
http://youtube.com/user/ProjectCameIot


http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn179/Nazrudin/Closed.jpg

Mission Accomplished, Good job everyone :)

Stargazer1965
03-05-2010, 12:37 PM
Update on this site:

THIS IS NOT THE PROJECT CAMELOT CHANNEL.
http://youtube.com/user/ProjectCameIot


This account is closed.

Mission Accomplished, Good job everyone :)
Excellent NEWS....Thanks Aztar!!!!!!!!!!

happy
03-05-2010, 12:50 PM
Hi ,
Bill the time is right , you can now shine your light , as so can kerry . you both seem to be wonderful humans becomings and have done some much for our universe . It would seem its time to step up and use your knowledge and know how to lead us into the new era of co creation are you up for this , if not what have you invisaged for us . Don't allow yourself to be dis empowered for you are a mighty warrior in the field of battle , what to do . fall back ,is it time . take a deep breathe and hail your comrades to forge forward . I await my orders :lightsabre:.
anyway your great mate ,
and if ya need to go for a walk , there is plenty of space to do that here in Alice( originally Stuart )NT good old very easy to manipulate , because we have it to good Ostralia .:thumb_yello:

happy
03-05-2010, 01:25 PM
I don't know who you are but you are clearly a paid operative of an agency... You are posting outright lies. Unfortunately, Bill has not the intelligence or the honor to recognize this.

Kerry

whats going on guys . what you have created is truely magnificient don't let them in . Kerry alot of people are looking to you as a leader in a battle . lets choose our fights carefully .
I've got it , this is all a plot to hm ? oh no its not a s biff is it . time of the . sorry enough said .
it all be better after a nice cuppa .:cup::zip:gone

Debby
03-05-2010, 01:41 PM
If there was ever a time to dare, to make a difference, to embark on something worth doing, IT IS NOW. Not for any grand cause, necessarily...but for something that tugs at your heart, something that's your inspiration, something that's your dream.

You owe it to yourself to make your days here count. HAVE FUN. DIG DEEP. STRETCH. DREAM BIG. Know, though, that things worth doing seldom come easy. There will be good days. And there will be bad days. There will be times when you want to turn around, pack it up, and call it quits. Those times tell you that you are pushing yourself, that you are not afraid to learn by trying.

PERSIST. Because with an idea, determination, and the right tools, you can do great things. Let your instincts, your intellect, and your heart, guide you.

TRUST. Believe in the incredible power of the human mind. Of doing something that makes a difference. Of working hard. Of laughing and hoping. Of lazy afternoons. Of lasting friends. Of all the things that will cross your path this year.

The start of something new brings the hope of something great. ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE There is only one you. And you will pass this way only once. Do it right.


Dear Kerry & Bill,
Thank you for all your great work. Never forget what you have learned in life, use that information now. I wish you both the best on your new journey.
Love and hugs
debby xxx

Debby
03-05-2010, 03:39 PM
Update on this site:

THIS IS NOT THE PROJECT CAMELOT CHANNEL.
http://youtube.com/user/ProjectCameIot


http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn179/Nazrudin/Closed.jpg

Mission Accomplished, Good job everyone :)

This is a good step forward! We can accomplish so much. This is the beginning:tongue2:

Linda
03-05-2010, 07:53 PM
Wow. So, is this place already complete?
I never heard about this project.

The 'Ark' is currently envisaged to include a shielded underground facility with hydroponics, technical and craft workshops, exercise and recreation facilities, a school, a comprehensive library, communication facilities, medical facilities,
the most advanced water recycling technology, its own micro-economy and democratic structure,
and (believe it or not)
its own very clean mini nuclear reactor which will generate enough self-sufficient power for at least fifty years.



Hi Linda,

Bill and Kerry found out about the Ark on their Australian trip in 2008 and Bill was very taken with it.
I do believe it is still viable and Bill would be the person to ask as he would know who to contact.

pax

Thanks Carol. Does he answer questions here or on his other thread?
I can't wait to hear all about it!

Firstlook
03-06-2010, 01:54 AM
Update on this site:

THIS IS NOT THE PROJECT CAMELOT CHANNEL.
http://youtube.com/user/ProjectCameIot


http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn179/Nazrudin/Closed.jpg

Mission Accomplished, Good job everyone :)

cool.:thumb_yello:

pilgrim
03-07-2010, 06:06 AM
An ArK?? self sufficient? All ready prepared?...., How much did you say?
Never mind! It's legal isn't it..., I mean, to have a nuclear reactor..., must be surely!
A mini nuclear reactor and the government agencies never questioned it??
I wonder why? Maybe true "truth-seekers" should.,Hmmm??
Who discovered this 'Eutopia'
It wasn't a person called Jake S, aka, Jack Burns, aka Jock whatever!!
Is this the friend of George Green, the property developer, the banker, the person that channells the pleiadians, that advises people to move.....just move!!
Preferably to an ark in Australia? OR S. America.
Apparently this Jake S has very strong psychic abilities, again ,Hmmm!
As a certain person shrewdly observed, there was a plethora of "whistle blowers"
queing up to be interviewed by Camelot. All of them very charismatic..., but the news they brought was either old news or " I can't tell you, 'cos I'm sworn to oath".
Now., if they want tell something because the public ought to know and it's against
the law and constitution., then surely these intelligent people would recognise that oath is meaningless! UNLESS!
It's a crock of shyte.., ( forgive the spelling)

PHIL SCHNEIDER TRIED TELLING THE TRUTH!
He lasted two years!
JORDAN MAXWELL IS STILL TELLING THE "TRUTH".
He has lasted 50 years.
SCHNEIDER
" we can beat them"
MAXWELL
"we can't beat them"
Hmmm!
By the way, Jordan is an advocate and good friend of Manly p. Hall & Helene Blavatsky, and if you have done your homework.., well., luciferians.
Now the thing is.., where have all the whistle blowers gone??
The answer is.......they were never here!!

The PTB were ahead of us, they sent CHARISMATIC smiley people , bloody actors or mind controlled people!! Not only does it convince the masses, but it puts off the 'true' whistle blowers. Brilliant!

These so called whistle blowers, in the main, are shills. If they talk about the mutilation of our children, the manipulation of our thoughts , in real time,, if they speak about love and true spirituality. the love of your self which is the answer to them,,, if they don't talk about that or the answers....then then are fear-mongers in the pay of them, we call them 'patriots'.. the bastards should be .....(edited by mod's)

For all you chanelled message lovers.., oh dear.
Love yourself for frig's sake, listen to your heart .., not your thoughts........it's their thoughts!

Lily de Cuir
03-07-2010, 09:01 AM
Hi Everyone, and Hi Bill + Kerry,

I am a bit of a lurker here and don't make comments. But I must say I feel very uncomfortable with what is happening with PC. The website being split in two etc.

Clearly there is a massive undercurrent of misunderstanding and/or conflict. While I understand these things happen, it doesn't feel good to me and I don't think things are being through rationally. Especially the bit about funds being split. When I contribute money I see it going to PC to be split equally. Now I have to choose between Bill and Kerry, or do I have to split it? That is really nonsense. Project Camelot is Project Camelot.

I will probably be slammed for this, but I think you both need to sit down with a good therapist to work this out and take some time out camping somewhere with a meditator for a week - as to how you can both continue the outstanding work you do - awakening thousands upon thousands of people around the globe.

Surely this is more important in the grand scheme of things. I am not trivialising both your concerns. They are all legitimate.

But you both came together and signed up for this. Please don't blow it.

You are infinitely more powerful together than apart.

Lily de Cuir

TheGuardian
03-07-2010, 10:15 PM
Hi Everyone, and Hi Bill + Kerry,

I am a bit of a lurker here and don't make comments. But I must say I feel very uncomfortable with what is happening with PC. The website being split in two etc.

Clearly there is a massive undercurrent of misunderstanding and/or conflict. While I understand these things happen, it doesn't feel good to me and I don't think things are being through rationally. Especially the bit about funds being split. When I contribute money I see it going to PC to be split equally. Now I have to choose between Bill and Kerry, or do I have to split it? That is really nonsense. Project Camelot is Project Camelot.

I will probably be slammed for this, but I think you both need to sit down with a good therapist to work this out and take some time out camping somewhere with a meditator for a week - as to how you can both continue the outstanding work you do - awakening thousands upon thousands of people around the globe.

Surely this is more important in the grand scheme of things. I am not trivialising both your concerns. They are all legitimate.

But you both came together and signed up for this. Please don't blow it.

You are infinitely more powerful together than apart.

Lily de Cuir

I Totally Think the same . p e a c e:thumb_yello:

Jacqui D
03-08-2010, 12:18 AM
Wow i'm a little late seeing all this going on what's happening here?
Can we please get back to sanity everyone calm down you can feel the vibes it is not nice.
This makes me very sad, if there was one thing you could rely on was logging in on avalon knowing peace /tranquility/ love and friendship but after reading this thread it has shocked me frankly.
Bill and Kerry i do not know you personally have never spoken to you as such but when i joined avalon when it all started i knew i had found a place in which we could share and join together.
It is a shame it has come to this and i agree with some who has mentioned this that yes we have been attacked by negative forces most definitely.
If it is impossible for you Bill and Kerry to get back together then that is sad you were both the backbone of these whistle blowers interviews something that will be missed now not seeing you work together.
real shame if you ask me, just goes to show all the hard work by some on here who try to keep vibrations high that negativity still has a foot in the door.
What will it take to oust this overwhelming control well it seem all the meditation and goodwill could not calm these rough waters let us lay it to rest now, start afresh, begin once more.
I do not wish to take sides bill/kerry i just feel so disheartened by it all.:sad::sad::sad::sad::sad::sad:

Derek
03-08-2010, 05:25 AM
We need to unify

The powers that were want us to be divided and quarreling.
I'm 90% certain these disagreements between Bill and Kerry are being provoked and intensified by scalar wave technology.

THEWATCHER
03-08-2010, 10:44 PM
An ArK?? self sufficient? All ready prepared?...., How much did you say?
Never mind! It's legal isn't it..., I mean, to have a nuclear reactor..., must be surely!
A mini nuclear reactor and the government agencies never questioned it??
I wonder why? Maybe true "truth-seekers" should.,Hmmm??
Who discovered this 'Eutopia'
It wasn't a person called Jake S, aka, Jack Burns, aka Jock whatever!!
Is this the friend of George Green, the property developer, the banker, the person that channells the pleiadians, that advises people to move.....just move!!
Preferably to an ark in Australia? OR S. America.
Apparently this Jake S has very strong psychic abilities, again ,Hmmm!
As a certain person shrewdly observed, there was a plethora of "whistle blowers"
queing up to be interviewed by Camelot. All of them very charismatic..., but the news they brought was either old news or " I can't tell you, 'cos I'm sworn to oath".
Now., if they want tell something because the public ought to know and it's against
the law and constitution., then surely these intelligent people would recognise that oath is meaningless! UNLESS!
It's a crock of shyte.., ( forgive the spelling)

PHIL SCHNEIDER TRIED TELLING THE TRUTH!
He lasted two years!
JORDAN MAXWELL IS STILL TELLING THE "TRUTH".
He has lasted 50 years.
SCHNEIDER
" we can beat them"
MAXWELL
"we can't beat them"
Hmmm!
By the way, Jordan is an advocate and good friend of Manly p. Hall & Helene Blavatsky, and if you have done your homework.., well., luciferians.
Now the thing is.., where have all the whistle blowers gone??
The answer is.......they were never here!!

The PTB were ahead of us, they sent CHARISMATIC smiley people , bloody actors or mind controlled people!! Not only does it convince the masses, but it puts off the 'true' whistle blowers. Brilliant!

These so called whistle blowers, in the main, are shills. If they talk about the mutilation of our children, the manipulation of our thoughts , in real time,, if they speak about love and true spirituality. the love of your self which is the answer to them,,, if they don't talk about that or the answers....then then are fear-mongers in the pay of them, we call them 'patriots'.. the bastards should be lined up and shot!!!

For all you chanelled message lovers.., oh dear.
Love yourself for frig's sake, listen to your heart .., not your thoughts........it's their thoughts!

Kindly do not taint us all with the same brush, real whistleblowers, like myself have suffered greatly at the hands of the controllers, How dare you insinuate all are full of sh**, and we should be lined up against a wall and shot!! People like you are in the crosshairs simply by being bloody stupid cretins.

THEWATCHER
03-08-2010, 10:51 PM
No wonder many stay away from places like this, just look at the damn stupid remarks made here by some. Personally I should tell you to go fly a kite and stuff this right where the sun don't shine, but its not worth the hassle or stress.

TRANCOSO
03-08-2010, 11:00 PM
No wonder many stay away from places like this, just look at the damn stupid remarks made here by some. Personally I should tell you to go fly a kite and stuff this right where the sun don't shine, but its not worth the hassle or stress.
Need a hand?
:mad3:

THEWATCHER
03-08-2010, 11:21 PM
What I need is some damn bloody respect, fed up with arseholes like this one

Myplanet2
03-08-2010, 11:38 PM
Kindly do not taint us all with the same brush, real whistleblowers, like myself have suffered greatly at the hands of the controllers, How dare you insinuate all are full of sh**, and we should be lined up against a wall and shot!! People like you are in the crosshairs simply by being bloody stupid cretins.

( mod edit Uncle John: sarcasm directed toward real whistleblowers is not acceptable here.)

THEWATCHER
03-08-2010, 11:42 PM
I hope this is not sarcasm? as I really do not need it

ellie
03-08-2010, 11:44 PM
Barry, no more on that under ocean floor ET city I see?

Keep well my friend. xxoo

THEWATCHER
03-08-2010, 11:47 PM
Have notes but will send you PM shortly, not for open board here with *******s around

TRANCOSO
03-09-2010, 12:25 AM
Barry, no more on that under ocean floor ET city I see?
The Fishman Dream

About 20 years ago I had a dream that was so real, it makes you wonder if...

Anyway, I was standing on a beach, beautiful weather, staring at sea, staring at the sand, when all of a sudden this half man/half fish 'person' arose from the water. I walked up to him, into the sea, (s)he took my hand & we dived into the ocean. Deeper & deeper we went, until we reached a huge underwater 'city-like' structure.

After we entered the 'city', which apparently was protected from the water by a (glass) dome, the 'fishman' brought me to a sort of 'waiting room' where I sat down.

There were other people, also sitting & nobody spoke. Not a word to be heard, dead silent, - a library-like atmosphere. Suddenly I remembered a joke I was told earlier that day, and I started to tell this joke to the rest of the people there. Although it wasn't the best of jokes, it should have made at least somebody laugh, but it didn't.

At that point I decided I was fed up with these people & had no wish whatsoever to hang around with them any longer. So I stood up, walked to a door, opened it & walked through it.

I noticed that there was another 'fishman' standing near the doorpost, sort of guarding it, & I told him that I was fed up with that bunch inside & couldn't stand to stay in their company one second longer.

The 'fishman' reacted sort of surprised & I said that if those were the kind of people I had to hang out with, while I was in their city, they might as well bring me back to the surface.

The ‘guard’ was clearly ‘off-guard’ by my approach & called for the ‘fishman’ who accompanied me before. To him I explained – again, that I had no desire to sit & wait in that room with those people & that he should take me either somewhere else, or back to the surface.

The ‘fishman’ understood my problem & than gave me a ‘grand tour’ through the ‘city’, where after he accompanied me back to the surface.

Halfway we were met by a group of dolphins. The ‘fishman’ ‘told’ me that the dolphins would bring me back to the beach, while he went back to the ‘city’.

After I thanked him & shortly after, the dolphins, for bringing me back to the surface, I walked out of the ocean onto the beach.

When I woke up I was totally ‘flabbergasted’!

Now, a couple of weeks before I had this dream, I had bought a complete collection (1966 – 1992) of a bi-monthly esoteric magazine called BRES PLANETE. I started to search in the indexes for the word ‘visman’ (Dutch for ‘fishman’) & to my surprise I found a reference to an article in BRES 23 (July 1970) titled: ‘Waar kwamen de vismensen vandaan?’ (‘Where did the Fishman originated?’)

Which takes us back to … the Sumerians!

UncleJohn
03-09-2010, 12:26 AM
Hang in there Barry. The moderators have been very busy lately and there are many weeds in this garden that need picking out.

Blessings be upon you.

Lightpotential
03-09-2010, 12:57 AM
I know people here are talking a lot about how this forum has seemingly 'nosedived' as of late. And sure enough, the disagreements between Bill and Kerry are a major factor, but to me, I honestly do think that the decision to end paid subscriptions has also been a critical issue. The floodgates have been opened, and I do not necessarily think for the best.

I think that there are too many fast, loose and 'cheap' threads being started that are drowning out some of the better ones. Just my impression.

LP

nagual
03-09-2010, 06:39 AM
I think that there are too many fast, loose and 'cheap' threads being started that are drowning out some of the better ones.


I agree...

pilgrim
03-09-2010, 07:42 PM
Kindly do not taint us all with the same brush, real whistleblowers, like myself have suffered greatly at the hands of the controllers, How dare you insinuate all are full of sh**, and we should be lined up against a wall and shot!! People like you are in the crosshairs simply by being bloody stupid cretins.

Barry, if you had taken the care to read the post properly, then you will see that nowhere did I state " ALL" whistle blowers. I said "in the main", in other words the prevaricators leading the public down the garden path. They are selling our planet and humanity out to these entities, and yes I feel my anger is justified with these "bloody stupid cretins" and traitors. If you want to feel anger at my post and want to call me names, then be my guest as I have no argument with you.
I would ask however, that you point out where I am wrong in my post, thereby allowing the opportunity of a rebuttal or an apology from me.
I don't want to be drawn into an argument over a misunderstanding.

Whilst we still live in a relatively free society, I think we should be accorded the right to respectfully question and state our opinions, rightly or wrongly without the fear of being cretinous.

Respect.

THEWATCHER
03-09-2010, 09:58 PM
guess I saw red at certain parts and got really ******, as this I have seen so many times. OK, apologies from me Pilgrim. I can get hot headed at times and patience runs thin often, no hard feelings.:original:

pilgrim
03-09-2010, 11:08 PM
Hi Barry, I was rather peed off when I made that post and I should have been more articulate.
But hey!.. I am a Paddy and sometimes hotheaded.
Keep up the good work!:thumb_yello:

THEWATCHER
03-09-2010, 11:13 PM
Cheers mate, thankyou

Mystique
03-10-2010, 12:41 AM
I find Bill's comment about Steven Greer interesting. .. as in mind control or invasion of the body snatchers.

Just curious tone3, what puts a person on Dreamland's hit list? Alien material, being high profile, speaking at conferences, or an interesting, possibly controversial website?


Mystique

zurx
03-27-2010, 07:49 AM
I just wanted to say... this is the most ridiculous thread I've ever read in my entire life.

This is what happens when you get a bunch of paranoids in the same room. I hate to say it... but I don't know how else to.

Scroll up and take a good look. Here's the chaos and disorganization "they" want. Lets all give ourselves a firm pat on the back. I've already been part of an amazing group of people that dramatically and traumatically split... I hate seeing and feeling this all over again.

Just... knock it off already.

EDIT: Afterthought... this just occurred to me. Does anyone else find it strange that the sleazy Eagles Disobey people jumped onto PC right at the tipping point? With that whole racist accusation crap. And whatever else it is now. I really think they're sore for not getting paid. But this discussion belongs in a different thread. Just wanted to point out the coincidence. PC came under heavy fire from many directions all within the same week it seemed. So odd... Bill's phrase "engineered destruction" rings true... quite eerily...

zurx
03-27-2010, 08:04 AM
OH! I wanted to say one more thing here, that's completely separate from my subjective opinion of the goings on here.

Someone was giving Bill a real hard time about calling Dr. Jonathan Reed a hoaxer. Well... he's not a doctor, and that's not his name. Thing is... UFO Watchdog has already done an EXTENSIVE investigation of the Reed case, and it's closed now. Complete hoax. I don't think anyone can do a more thorough job looking in to this story. I mean hell, just watch the videos. You think that's a real alien corpse? ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?! He worked at an auto shop... so that little bracelet he claimed to find? Yeah, it's probably part of a car. Anyway, here's a link to the full investigation of "Dr. Reed". It's long, so get comfortable... (and NO, I'm not trying to advertise for UFO Watchdog or anything of the sort... just sharing very relevant information I think everyone here should know)

UFO Watchdog's Hall of Shame: Jonathan Reed (http://www.ufowatchdog.com/hall-of-shame/66-jonathan-reed)

ENJOY!

SteveX
03-27-2010, 09:10 AM
I just wanted to say... this is the most ridiculous thread I've ever read in my entire life.

This is what happens when you get a bunch of paranoids in the same room. I hate to say it... but I don't know how else to.

Scroll up and take a good look. Here's the chaos and disorganization "they" want. Lets all give ourselves a firm pat on the back. I've already been part of an amazing group of people that dramatically and traumatically split... I hate seeing and feeling this all over again.

Just... knock it off already.

EDIT: Afterthought... this just occurred to me. Does anyone else find it strange that the sleazy Eagles Disobey people jumped onto PC right at the tipping point? With that whole racist accusation crap. And whatever else it is now. I really think they're sore for not getting paid. But this discussion belongs in a different thread. Just wanted to point out the coincidence. PC came under heavy fire from many directions all within the same week it seemed. So odd... Bill's phrase "engineered destruction" rings true... quite eerily...

Irony :mfr_lol:

zurx
03-27-2010, 09:26 AM
Hahahaha!! Oh man you got me :D

:giljotiini:

I was really just referring to all the finger pointing and accusations. Then got to thinking how so much just blew up in Kerry and Bill's faces. And all the chaos... and then remembered the ED fiasco. Agh... I'm too tired now... been catching up on the forum after about a month break. I'll never catch up as I just discovered the Thuban thread. Oh LORD.

Thanks for humbling me though :) Everyone needs a good smack every now and again :P