A day and a half of chemtrails time lapsed

[Swanny]

I never really gave them much thought before but after looking at them over the last couple of years I'm now not a happy bunny.
They have no right to treat us like this :mad3:

JRot4ihq1JU

[Truthseeker512]

I find it almost impossible to believe that the majority of ppl either dont notice them or give a crap about them.

Its amazing that the scientific concencus on climate change exists when no research paper exists which takes into account the effect chemtrails have on the climate.
No scientific paper claiming climatechange is real is valid as they have missed a huge manmade variable.

[burgundia]

I was trying to tell my father that these are chemtrails..but he keeps saying that these are contrails...

[Church]

Wow that was the chemtrail video I've been waiting for!! That video is going viral, right now... Finally a time elapse that shows not only how these <ahem!> "contrails" are staying in the sky for over 6 hours or more, but that there are other NORMAL contrails that are appearing and disappearing all around them!

I'm not a fan of facebook, but I do login every now and then to post a video like this, and that's what I'm about to do...

[pureheart7]

xo

[pureheart7]

1111

[dddanieljjjamesss]

Wow that was the chemtrail video I've been waiting for!! That video is going viral, right now... Finally a time elapse that shows not only how these <ahem!> "contrails" are staying in the sky for over 6 hours or more, but that there are other NORMAL contrails that are appearing and disappearing all around them!

I'm not a fan of facebook, but I do login every now and then to post a video like this, and that's what I'm about to do...

Let me know if you get a link but no video embed. I think facebook screens certain videos. I linked it on mine, but it would only show the text URL

[THE eXchanger]

start calling your local government offices

that is what we did - and, got others to do the same thing

NOW, we rarely see them

[THE eXchanger]

also this is your chance
to call in THE THUNDERBIRD NATIONS
along with THE ELEMENTALs
and, ask them to help you
to clear up what is happening
in YOUR SKIES !!!

[dddanieljjjamesss]

also this is your chance
to call in THE THUNDERBIRD NATIONS
along with THE ELEMENTALs
and, ask them to help you
to clear up what is happening
in YOUR SKIES !!!

When I see chemtrails I put all my energy helping Earth regain control and take care of her own weather. I'm interested in this idea of working with elementals. Could you elaborate? You can private message me if you like.

[Church]

Let me know if you get a link but no video embed. I think facebook screens certain videos. I linked it on mine, but it would only show the text URL

Actually I just linked it up and the video embed is there. Now, as to whether or not it will be removed by the facebook PTB (lol at that concept) that remains to be seen...

Now, I just sit back and wait for the comments to come rolling in. It's exciting for me, because most of the people in my friends list (my family and close friends) are pretty straight-and-narrow, so this ought to stir them up a bit!

[THE eXchanger]

you can call them in,
request their presence to work with you,
in 100% alignment with your missions, your purposes, and, your tasks
~they do show up :)

[pureheart7]

HAARP=chemtrails
http://fredsitelive.com/personal/CurEvents/TheHarpPatent.html

[Truthseeker512]

I was trying to tell my father that these are chemtrails..but he keeps saying that these are contrails...


Some days the planes only have contrails. When you spot them in the sky make sure you show ur father. Point out... This is what a contrail should look like.

[SteveX]

I find it almost impossible to believe that the majority of ppl either dont notice them or give a crap about them.

chemtrailing since 1944 http://www.footnote.com/image/161314178/#161320219

Its amazing that the scientific concencus on climate change exists when no research paper exists which takes into account the effect chemtrails have on the climate.
No scientific paper claiming climatechange is real is valid as they have missed a huge manmade variable.

I think there is a great deal to be said about the last sentence. It does need more research.

[swordsmith]

yes, please keep adding fuel to the outrage, and it IS a crime against humanity. Nothing else has my outraged attention like this. I know too many sick people with aluminum /barium caused /exacerbated illnesses. NO ONE is immune, it's a time bomb and if you are over forty it will especially affect anyone who spends time outdoors or gardening, and on that score, what's the point? My garden is systematically attacked by fungus. Poly tunnels have limited appeal. besides, I used to LIKE the sun. We don't have a choice when it is in the very air we breathe, inside and out, nanotech hard at work. the more I KNOW ON THIS THE WORSE IT GETS ooops my caps always get the better of me when i am fed up.

I read something on another forum yesterday in which the poster was basically saying hah effing hah, Europe's inhabitants are doomed because people are too WILLFULLY stupid and lazy to even see it happening before their eyes let alone take action. The cult of MEEE has a lot to answer for. Please prove them wrong.

I'm about ready to jump ship. I know chembombing happens in most places on the globe, but just saw a lot of Australian photos without a trail in sight , course they were in the outback mainly, fine, suits me, I am sick of this $hit, literally. It takes a lot for me to give up, but if people continue to tolerate this, count me out of here.

[pureheart7]

?

[indakaz]

islandonlinenews.com has a great page with oodles of entertaining info and video on chemtrails check it out!!

http://www.islandonlinenews.com/-chemtrails.html

[burgundia]

Some days the planes only have contrails. When you spot them in the sky make sure you show ur father. Point out... This is what a contrail should look like.

I did...but he still doesn't get it...I guess it stems from the fact that he wouldn't comprehend why someone would do that...

[swordsmith]

there's cognitive disonance for you.
Chemtrails are aging , Swanny's has doubled from the last time I looked!

[pureheart7]

?

[Church]

...But, you didn't even post the video that this thread is about?

[MANCHILD]

Swanny so true !!!!! We need to get mad !!!!

I just made is vid last 2 nights a ago,I was In shock !!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MN2fObfbLk

Check out the ufos in these chemtrails at night

And watch the time frame 141 very close..

Hugs and Love to all !!!!!

[Jane Lucienne]

HAARP=chemtrails
http://fredsitelive.com/personal/CurEvents/TheHarpPatent.html
"There is no greater illusion than fear, no greater wrong than preparing to defend yourself, no greater misfortune than having an enemy.
Whoever can see through all the fear will always be safe."

This approach works for me. It's a jungle out there, quite literally from what I can tell. Living and reacting in Fear only sets our own systems against us. Adapt. We are adaptable, aren't we? I hope I am. I keep telling myself, as far as possible without going into total denial ... it's all an illusion.

[Jack]

I never really gave them much thought before but after looking at them over the last couple of years I'm now not a happy bunny.
They have no right to treat us like this :mad3:

JRot4ihq1JU


Hmmm theres something about what you said that hit me right between the eyes. "They have no right to treat us like this" - Just like when we stand out in a storm, we will get wet. Or if we stand outside in the desert, we will get scorched. Is that the rains fault, or the sun? Or is it our fault, for resigning ourselves to such a fate that was never even neccesary.

Chemtrails cannot affect you, unless you are either unaware of their presence and fall victom to the natural chemical reactions, or are aware of them and believe that they have the potential to harm your body, that wonderful creation which could potentially have a life span numbering hundreds of years.

The power of our belief is enormous. The power of love is even more so. Remeber Swanny, you always have a choice.

[swordsmith]

im sorry, but that last post makes me want to puke, I'll be sure and tell all the people with exacerbated MS that it's a choice. I have elevated barium and aluminium in my body and the concomitant effects of.
say hello to the cukoos on your cloud.
sheeeit the new age really gets on my tits sometimes.

[SteveX]

SNIPPED
I have elevated barium and aluminium in my body and the concomitant effects of.


Have you really? I mean really ... not think I have cause I read a bell end of a website. Really ?

[pureheart7]

Just so you know, I have deleted my posts for lack of response.
I wish you all so much LOVE xoxox

Blessings be~~~

[Reunite]

Jack where is the dog's choice in this clip?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-uSqZbEiJk

[xbusymom]

I find it interesting to see the strategic placement of the trails for blocking out the sun; or wondering if the expanded trails are meant to move over a certain tract of land ( and what that area is)??

[swordsmith]

Have you really? I mean really ... not think I have cause I read a bell end of a website. Really ?
with regard to my mentioning high barium/aluminum in my system you replied with this little gem .
I was wondering whether to dignify this with a response, when it finally occured to me ah ha, steve is MR CHEMTRAIL, Mr X marks the sky. I knew there was something funny going on.

Your condescending tone is noted and dismissed. Wow. I am glad my serious health problems don't exist for you, thanks I feel much better . I remember your useless chiming in on other chemtrail threads. Now run along, grown ups are talking.

As for you jack, I will now call you "I'm alright jack" I think that probably works for you. Just let the tyranny continue, we all die in the end, so why bother . I guess that form of magical thinking " if you can see chemtrails they are rendered harmless." is your way to make it just fine, well I hope you tell everyone so they all can see them and be saved . Grandiose much? I give a lot more credence to the person who thinks they can erradicate them with a purple ray blast, hey, at least they are doing something.

soooooo now to the meat of the subject, yes dogs ( and all animals except maybe the cockroach) are affected,and that is really hard to watch, my own dog has really "aged "but we have seen improvements with a selective home cooked diet.
Just a strange aside, my garden which I have been watching go from quite productive to almost useless over the last 4 years now has a cancer of woodlice . Anyone got any good woodlouse recipes?

Once again, we had a little sun on the south east coast yesterday, after around an hour of blue sky, it was out with the planes and good bye sun, then metalic taste in the air.( God my imagination is good, must have got it from the bell end of a website)
So with regard to sun blocking I say yes absolutely, a definite part of the agenda, and probably the one they will admit to . And yet, chemtrails are not seen in many photos from unpopulated areas in the OZ outback but are often seen in rural and desert areas of the US. and Canada. I am thinking fear of the current sun activities affecting communications ( cell towers etc) may be a big part of the relentelessness of the current supercharged campaign. I would say every single sunny day since summer ( and maybe longer) has been systematically wiped /whited out . Of course, depleting the available sunlight means many are severely short of vitamin D ( which they want to outlaw in properly needed dosages anyway) so it is, as such, a handy multi purpose attack. One stone many birds, POOF. Clever or what?

For anyone in OZ there certainly is astonishng chemtrail activity, and in some places one might not expect, it's hard to think like the illuminazis after all, I mean who wants to? Here is a very good site started by a pilot who is pretty heart sick of the destruction of his local sky. It also happens to be an excellent site to show unsure people perhaps willing to contemplate what seems to be so hard to understand.
http://www.bluenomore.com/

and for all the chemtrail deniers, keep drinking that new age kool aid, with new improved amino sweet! does a body goood, and all natural too!

[SteveX]

SNIPPED

with regard to my mentioning high barium/aluminum in my system you replied with this little gem .
I was wondering whether to dignify this with a response, when it finally occured to me ah ha, steve is MR CHEMTRAIL, Mr X marks the sky. I knew there was something funny going on.

Your condescending tone is noted and dismissed. Wow. I am glad my serious health problems don't exist for you, thanks I feel much better . I remember your useless chiming in on other chemtrail threads. Now run along, grown ups are talking.

"I was wondering whether to dignify this with a response" you say. I put it to you that you have no response with FACT to supplement your statement of "high barium/aluminium in your body and concomitants of. "

[dddanieljjjamesss]

I've been thinking a lot about this chemtrail business. Its been a great day but for the past few hours they've been spraying like crazy. I keep telling them to go away though lol. It seems like it isn't working as well anymore? Anyone else noticing that?

[Jack]

im sorry, but that last post makes me want to puke, I'll be sure and tell all the people with exacerbated MS that it's a choice. I have elevated barium and aluminium in my body and the concomitant effects of.
say hello to the cukoos on your cloud.
sheeeit the new age really gets on my tits sometimes.

Yes you do in fact have a choice.

If calling something "new age crap" makes it easier to swallow the reality youve chosen to live then so be it.


Its been proven time and time again that human consciousness has the ability to reverse cancer, grow new limbs, force a biological hand into a granite wall.. Theres so many examples that only those who are complacent in their own ignorance would choose to deny them.

In future, remember a couple of points.

1. You dont know everything
2. When your not knowledgable in some areas, keep your mouth shut and your ears open, you might just learn a thing or too.
3. Have respect for others opinions and maybe once in a while persue a new course of learning by asking to expand on what was just said instead of conveying your ignorance by closing your mind to any kind of elaboration on the topic at hand.

The world is a fantastic place, maybe someday you'll keep your eyes open long enough to see some of the magic that goes on.

[Jack]

Jack where is the dog's choice in this clip?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-uSqZbEiJk


Hello Reunite, to answer your question, could a dog build the pyramids?

[Jack]

As for you jack, I will now call you "I'm alright jack" I think that probably works for you. Just let the tyranny continue, we all die in the end, so why bother . I guess that form of magical thinking " if you can see chemtrails they are rendered harmless."


Miracle Mineral Supplement rids the body of any "invasive" heavy metals or poisons. Thats just one out of many different things, as well as the mind, that can be used to heal a broken vessel.

As for the "I'm alright jack", I am alright. As healthy as a horse, Happy as a lark, and as strong as a bull. But aside from my own well being, other people rank very high on my to do list. Theres many different ways to eliminate heavy metals from the body, id be more then happy to help anyone who is having trouble in these areas, even you swordsmith. Ive helped myself and countless other members of family and friends.

There are no victoms, only willing participants.

[-Axiom-]

How do you tell the difference between a chemtrail and a regular old contrail?

What does a spectrum analysis reveal in these chemtrails?

What are they spraying us with?

[shybastid]

I've posted this before... Some people don't like Dan Egans interpretations of past history. I don't know about that.. I DO believe this is pretty accurate:
http://www.viewzone.com/haarp00.html
They stopped spraying us here in Lake Tahoe for about 10 days.. Great Blue Skies.. They started again about 2 days ago. Terrible to wreck my view,for WHAT? THATS what I want to know..
http://www.tahoebonanza.com/article/20091029/NEWS/910299960/1061&ParentProfile=1050
I can see the "little cloud seeders" airplanes. The big guys are way higher and are absolutley arrogant and unconcerned. They Zig Zag across the sky in 2 hours and ruin a completely perfect sky.
Clarity started a forum:
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18405

As well as Doodah:
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=238260&posted=1#post238260

I'm in favor of any way to get the word out. It really is sad that people even here in Tahoe don't recognize this atrocity. They don't look UP?
I almost feel stupid when I point it to my neighbors and say "Look,they're spraying again" and they go "huh?"

I'll take pics...MY spraying is so evident,only an idiot can tell me its "contrails."

[-Axiom-]

How do you tell the difference between a contrail and a chemtrail?

[Reunite]

Hello Reunite, to answer your question, could a dog build the pyramids?

Could a Human build the pyramids?

[swordsmith]

"I was wondering whether to dignify this with a response" you say. I put it to you that you have no response with FACT to supplement your statement of "high barium/aluminium in your body and concomitants of. "

steve X marks the sky, when did you get paid to shill here? Yeah, give me your email address and I will send you my medical records. Your compassion knows no bounds. Well, that's easy enough if you have none, and are willingly stupid to boot, but that's what mind control does to people. I feel sorry for you, you have an opportunity to shine as a discerning individual who could stand up and say NO to this crime yet this is what you chose instead.

jackasp, you may think you are clever, but keep defending what is ultimately indefensible in your round about way to insinuate the sufferers are inadequate and feeble. Collusion is a terrible sin.
Ultimately you are most correct, there are no victims, but be very careful on this one, pride comes before a fall.
BTW, I suspect you know little about chelation, so your generous ( though contemptably patronising) offer to help "even me" I will have to forgo. All the really great minds in the world of detox/chelation acknowledge the importance of exposure and also have a lot more humility.

[shybastid]

Axiom.... The vapors don't dissipitate. They turn the sky into a haze.
Chontrails evaperate behind the jet. These go ALL across the sky and then they criss cross them like a grid. Thats why there is speculation Haarp could bounce a beam across them by keeping the Haarp beam up in the ionisphere
My personal opinion?
We have many interesting military facilities within 200-300 miles of Tahoe.
From Vandenburg to China Lake Navel Base (Rumor has it,that Vandenburg on Santa Barbra Coast goes under ground through tunnel including submarine base connected to China Lake. Thats 200 miles direct to Nevada)
There are several large ammunition warehouses.
Don't forget Palmdale.(Lockheed,John Lear,Northrup etc)
My humble opinion is whenever TPTB are doing any movement...They "grid" the sky so satelites can't see whats going on down on earth.
Area 51 is not really a hotbed of activity. Too well known.

You know what? I could site more reasons why I believe this..but as an American,I don't really think I should say too much.
I am a civilian.. But I've been in California for 30 years. I've driven back and forth on a certain highway and seen plenty. BIG TRUCK CONVOYS moving late at night.
Not all cargo between military installations is moved by plane.
Haarp maybe... Grid protection for our friends not to watch us more probable.
WTF is it? and will it shorten my life expectancy without my approval?

[swordsmith]

briefly, OMG jack, the jewell of your chelation knowledge is MMS? I expected more than that from you . Fry your kidneys at your own risk there, bud. Oh hah hah hah, I credited you with far too much . Hope your family members get a second opinion . eeeeek!!!
WARNING !!! Jack is NOT a doctor, and he knows precisely "jack" about chemtrails .

Also please let us now about the people you know who have grown new limbs, to my knowledge these are only insiders with mlitary medical tech. WOW, you could have saved superman with this stuff! keep talking!
Ok, back on track... ish ,anybody who does not know the difference between a CON trail and a chemtrail should look at
http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=76&Itemid=50
or bluenomore ,url above somewhere.

[-Axiom-]

Axiom.... The vapors don't dissipitate. They turn the sky into a haze.
Chontrails evaperate behind the jet. These go ALL across the sky and then they criss cross them like a grid. Thats why there is speculation Haarp could bounce a beam across them by keeping the Haarp beam up in the ionisphere
My personal opinion?
We have many interesting military facilities within 200-300 miles of Tahoe.
From Vandenburg to China Lake Navel Base (Rumor has it,that Vandenburg on Santa Barbra Coast goes under ground through tunnel including submarine base connected to China Lake. Thats 200 miles direct to Nevada)
There are several large ammunition warehouses.
Don't forget Palmdale.(Lockheed,John Lear,Northrup etc)
My humble opinion is whenever TPTB are doing any movement...They "grid" the sky so satelites can't see whats going on down on earth.
Area 51 is not really a hotbed of activity. Too well known.

You know what? I could site more reasons why I believe this..but as an American,I don't really think I should say too much.
I am a civilian.. But I've been in California for 30 years. I've driven back and forth on a certain highway and seen plenty. BIG TRUCK CONVOYS moving late at night.
Not all cargo between military installations is moved by plane.
Haarp maybe... Grid protection for our friends not to watch us more probable.
WTF is it? and will it shorten my life expectancy without my approval?


Thank you.

[swordsmith]

BTW Axiom, I also thank you , that was very interesting . Such a crime that we have to put up with this, Tahoe used to have such beautiful skies.

My old home state of Michigan is also a crime scene. So sad .

[shybastid]

Whats interesting Axiom... If you go into Dan Egans article I listed.....
Viewpoint
It says Haarp is involved with the Navy... Coincidence?:nono:

[shybastid]

http://www.viewzone.com/haarp00.html

[SteveX]

SNIPPED

steve X marks the sky, when did you get paid to shill here? Yeah, give me your email address and I will send you my medical records. Your compassion knows no bounds. Well, that's easy enough if you have none, and are willingly stupid to boot, but that's what mind control does to people. I feel sorry for you, you have an opportunity to shine as a discerning individual who could stand up and say NO to this crime yet this is what you chose instead.


Did you write this after getting in from the boozer. What was it? ... 2 pints of paranoia and half pint of gobshyte for the road. I hadn't better tell you about my involvement with MI5 ... You’d have respiratory failure. :lmfao:

OK you can forward the part of your medical records here via PM. Just the part of "elevated barium and aluminium in my body and the concomitant effects of." Somehow I don't envisage that happening.

As for " opportunity to shine as a discerning individual who could stand up and say NO"... That is your gig. That's your challenge. As you are fully aware I'm sceptical of of the chem trail claim and more than sceptical of your personal medical claim.


Chem trailing since 1943 http://www.footnote.com/image/161314178/#161320219

[swordsmith]

stevex I think we all have your number now, thank you. Normally on forums when people are trying to do some constructive networking about things like chemtrails the shills are asked to keep to their own threads.
That's fine, keep spouting, we can work around you, and the plus side is you bump the thread.
As for me being in the boozer, thats cute, you are actually rather amusing in quite a liverish way.
I'm pretty sure I recognize your "chemtrails don't exist manner" from a few other forums but then you could just be a clone, well you seem to think like one so who knows, and who cares?.
Either way, enjoy, but I don't think you are going to convince anybody these are contrails.
And that's about the last drop of attention you will get from me. Bye bye stevex , and are you part of the new weirdness of this forum?

[SteveX]

stevex I think we all have your number now, thank you. Normally on forums when people are trying to do some constructive networking about things like chemtrails the shills are asked to keep to their own threads.
That's fine, keep spouting, we can work around you, and the plus side is you bump the thread.
As for me being in the boozer, thats cute, you are actually rather amusing in quite a liverish way.
I'm pretty sure I recognize your "chemtrails don't exist manner" from a few other forums but then you could just be a clone, well you seem to think like one so who knows, and who cares?.
Either way, enjoy, but I don't think you are going to convince anybody these are contrails.
And that's about the last drop of attention you will get from me. Bye bye stevex , and are you part of the new weirdness of this forum?

So no medical record to back up your ...err exaggerated claim. Oh my! That comes as a real surprise. I see that you're still suffering from a paranoia hang over... "Other forums" :lmfao:

As far as I'm concerned this is a general topic on Chem trails. So I think I've every right to state my scepticism to your "elevated barium and aluminium" claim. Is making exaggerated statements being "constructive"? :shocked: Good luck with your endeavours if that's the case. :smoke:

[wynderer]

Hi Jack -- i'm glad to hear that you are so in touch w/the healing power of the mind -- i've been hoping to meet someone who has broken thru the emf/chemical [as in 'chem'trails]/psychic prison Earth is in -- i could use some healing myself -- as apparently could Swordsmith

-distance being no deterrent to the unfettered mind [as you must know], perhaps i could pm you so we could set up a healing session w/your powerful , unfettered mind? are you well known as a healer in your area/circle?

perhaps w/your unfettered powerful mind you could also zap all the chemtrails off the entire planet? i don't know the answer to what to do about all the humans who make the chemtrail stuff, load it into the containers, load the containers on the planes, & fly the planes -- that's a lot of colluding folks, as this is going on all over the world

oh -- i forgot -- your mind is all powerful , w/no limits , so you can handle that

looking forward to your reply -- hoping, too, that after you take care of the chemtrail problem, we can go on to some other issues -- my suggestion: all the missing children

[edit] i grew up in the '50s, before chemtrails -- even in industrialized southern NJ, near Philly, i remember blue skies & white clouds whose beauty could take your breath away --please work hard & fast, Jack

Peace & Freedom, wynderer

[swordsmith]

That's funny Wynderer, what have you got for stevex? I'm getting concerned about his peculiar interest in my medical records. He prolly just wants to see me neked . I think he may have an eyesight problem, to him there are no chemtrails.

[shybastid]

http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm226/bgrist18/n4/0305001109.jpg

The 1st pic is how they do Tahoe in about 2 hours...Only until the haze is completley covering the sky.
Actually,it goes to Sacremento and Reno.. South to one of the ammunition storage areas.

[SteveX]

That's funny Wynderer, what have you got for stevex? I'm getting concerned about his peculiar interest in my medical records. He prolly just wants to see me neked . I think he may have an eyesight problem, to him there are no chemtrails.

Your the one making the statements

I have elevated barium and aluminium in my body and the concomitant effects of

but it's not quite true. You made a wittle fib diwn't you :lmfao:

[swordsmith]

sadly it is true and you are an idiot, now pi$$ off. I have just had a trench removed from my jaw, mostly due to metal complications, ok mercury was a big part of it, but the elevated bloodpressure due to high levels of barium endangered the proceedings and had to be addressed before I couLd have surgey, feeling good now ,a$$whipe? and that really is the last of you for me. You should feel like an infected anus, because you act like one.
I only respond to prik the conscience of those with a crease in their butts from sitting on the fence. Get off the fence and get proactive. stevex there is a special place in hell for people like you, but I'm sure you will find a lot of friends there. Long spoons as they say.
I hope to seldom encounter such an unpleasant soul as you

[Clarityofawareness]

Hello all,

If interested in possible solutions, a thread we recently started

Self Reform Chemtrails S.R.C.'s

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20728

Kevin

[MANCHILD]

I thought this was a very good video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTy0fP3_rHs

When will people wake up.

Love and Hugs to All

[SteveX]

sadly it is true and you are an idiot, now pi$$ off. I have just had a trench removed from my jaw, mostly due to metal complications, ok mercury was a big part of it, but the elevated bloodpressure due to high levels of barium endangered the proceedings and had to be addressed before I couLd have surgey, feeling good now ,a$$whipe? and that really is the last of you for me. You should feel like an infected anus, because you act like one.
I only respond to prik the conscience of those with a crease in their butts from sitting on the fence. Get off the fence and get proactive. stevex there is a special place in hell for people like you, but I'm sure you will find a lot of friends there. Long spoons as they say.
I hope to seldom encounter such an unpleasant soul as you

Sorry to here you had a dental problem. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-rolleyes008.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php) Still no medical record I see. Just a flawed statement to back up your wittle fib about barium. Here’s why it’s flawed;

From this link http://www.ehow.com/how_2069799_treat-barium-poisoning.html

“Barium poisoning usually must be determined clinically because no routine laboratory tests exist for barium exposure.
Test for barium levels directly. There are complex tests which can detect the level of barium in the body, but these are not helpful in determining the extent of the exposure. These tests are normally performed only in severe cases.”

That says a routine test does NOT detect barium. It must be searched for. If the good old NHS, after a SPECIFIC search found Baruim in you, they would be ringing alarm bells. It's not a common metal like Mercury in tooth fillings. Health and bloody Safety would be over you like a bad rash. Due to work place related incidence of barium leakage / poisoning.

So… what conclusion can we draw? One things for certain. Your health issues have little to do with your statement. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-rolleyes005.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)
I have elevated barium and aluminium in my body and the concomitant effects of.

Perhaps you should stop quoting from Chemtrail webistes. Might help to stop drinking Tenents paranoia and dilute the Carlsberg gobshyte with facts. http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/smiley-forum/stirthepot.gif (http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys.php)

[swordsmith]

oh dear, anyone who relys on the NHS for their health really IS stupid.
I hope anyone here with health problems has the wisdom and the finances to seek alternative health care for whatever ails them.
Just in case this is actually of use to anybody , my health went down hill from the age of nine with my first dental visit, even my eyesight was affected very quickly . In my twenties I had the foresight to realize many of my health issues probably stemmed from mercury amalgam fillings. I had a lot of MS symptoms but refused to believe I actually had that illness .
As this was some time ago, very few people had a proper protocol for amalgam removal, if they even believed it was the culprit at all. Over many years I replaced what I could afford to. Unfortunately the last big push had me getting them all out by a dentist who buried what I could not see under plastics that also leeched . Basically I was now more toxic than ever and all the buried metals went into my already traumatised jaw ( thanks to orthodontistry) The jawbone becomes much more brittle also from exposure to both fluoride and tetracyclene, which were also part of my problem.
Dr Boyd Haley is excellent on all this and has some great videos outlining synergistc effects of toxic exposure to many things people still consider safe. Oh yes, also thimerosal ( mercury) in my contact lense solution going directly into my system every day.

To make a long story even longer, even though my mercury had been removed for over three years with many many obvious and immediate health benefits I could still tell things were not right. At this stage I went to several diagnostic specialists ( not cheap) who detected many environmental toxins, aluminium being one , BARIUM another , amongst other things like antimony. I had had a barium swallow for NHS tests ( not recommended) and wondered if it could have been that but after a repeat test I was still showing it ( so eat my shorts smarty pants.) These were done by two different people using differing equipment, but I'm sure some people may have a hard time understanding that such equipment does exist. Some of it is Russian technology and they do seem to really be ahead with diagnostic tech.
There is a whole new world of medical tech out there, and needless to say, your GP will never ever have it. Anyhow, at the time I was alarmed particularly by the aluminium as I have always avoided aluminium cookware, the barium didn't really mean anything to me at the time and I have no idea what amounts were detected as it was only later in relation to bloodpressure it was suggested I further chelate for heavy metals once again . Excess barium robs the body of manganese or is it magnesium,( my brain aint what it should be ,) and elevates blood pressure.

The problem is, some people are very ill equipped to excrete metals. In my case such heavy early Hg made me a terrible excreter. Interestingly enough mercury, according to my specialist, toxifies the sweat glands, and for me I could hardly sweat until I was forty eight and had my teeth completely re - done for the second time.
If I had not been able to sucessfully research my condition there is no doubt I would not be here now. I ended up with cavitations of the jaw bone and that's a condition most dentists do not even know exists. weird. Subsequently had to have a trench of it removed. I truly hope this is the end of that $hit.

Sorry to be long winded, but thought I might just post this for anyone who may have unresolved health problems and have not really looked at undetected teeth and jaw issues especially cavitation of the jawbone as there are no easily discernable symptoms of this ( Wesley Shankland is good on this) Many people with ME/ chronic fatigue/ heart issues, even cancer may well have this as an underlying condition and never have a clue.

I know a community of ex mercury toxic people who have a much harder time with the chemtrails because of their issues with excreting heavy metals. In fact, a few mercury forums were where I learned all about chemtrails and what is in them . I thought it was nuts too at first. What's nuts to me now is people who deny them. Or think the NHS is where to get your health testing done.... or ANYTHING.

Goodluck to anyone with these issues.

[MANCHILD]

Swordsmith.....So true !!! I had a doc want to cut out my jaw..
He wanted to fly me to Canada for the surgury.

I went to a ENT and had a Chip taken out.That was stuck in
my jaw and sinus .

Its all about the insuance company.

I pray and hope more people will wake up..

Swordsmith Thanks for your honesty

[swordsmith]

since this thread has gone off on a tangent somewhat, I add this series of you -tubes of Dr Mercola interviewing Dr Dietrich Klinghardt , a remarkable neurologist and detox practitioner . Some of this gets pretty interesting when Klinghardt talks about emerging diagnostic tech . I won't go too much into it, it's probably for the very few, but very very interesting. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkflpnS6vNQ&feature=related

[swordsmith]

manchild you are most welcome, glad to hear you had a successful outcome.

Oh! I just remembered, an interesting local character who sees ley lines amongst other things told me people of higher percentage reptilian DNA have a difficult time with their Ls and Rs.... just a "wittle" thought .

[MANCHILD]

Swordsmith..I am amazed at how you think.That is so profound that
you should bring up ley lines.I asked a multi millionare why he lives
in a small building when he could be living in a Mansion somewhere.

He said the Lay of the land is the key to a long life,And hes right
The man never ages,

Ley lines can heal you and thats why the Rich build on these line

Swordsmith your a blessing to all with the wisdom to know your
thoughts of helping others is awsome.I wish there were more people
like yourself.

Take the holyspirit to the bank

[swordsmith]

very sweet of you to say all that manchild.
Apparently I am the keeper/protecter of the line our house sits on, and it's quite the job at times but most of it happens in dream time so not a lot I can say on that. It is funny that in our old victorian house we are the people who have spent the longest time here of all the inhabitants I have found out about. It's at the top of a hill with a view of the sea below . For the first 10 years I never saw a chemtrail .

[MANCHILD]

Swordsmith,Its funny you should bring up chemtrails

I have never heard anyone mention that chemtrails
are blocking our Prayers to Heaven

I remember a story like that in the bible

If our Awakening is coming from the cosmos
Than what better way to block our Spriitual change

I remember a time when we got under are desks at school
Thinking the nukes are coming

What has happened to us in 50 years

I loved the stars back than....Clean

[SteveX]

oh dear, anyone who relys on the NHS for their health really IS stupid.
I hope anyone here with health problems has the wisdom and the finances to seek alternative health care for whatever ails them.
Just in case this is actually of use to anybody , my health went down hill from the age of nine with my first dental visit, even my eyesight was affected very quickly . In my twenties I had the foresight to realize many of my health issues probably stemmed from mercury amalgam fillings. I had a lot of MS symptoms but refused to believe I actually had that illness .
As this was some time ago, very few people had a proper protocol for amalgam removal, if they even believed it was the culprit at all. Over many years I replaced what I could afford to. Unfortunately the last big push had me getting them all out by a dentist who buried what I could not see under plastics that also leeched . Basically I was now more toxic than ever and all the buried metals went into my already traumatised jaw ( thanks to orthodontistry) The jawbone becomes much more brittle also from exposure to both fluoride and tetracyclene, which were also part of my problem.
Dr Boyd Haley is excellent on all this and has some great videos outlining synergistc effects of toxic exposure to many things people still consider safe. Oh yes, also thimerosal ( mercury) in my contact lense solution going directly into my system every day.

To make a long story even longer, even though my mercury had been removed for over three years with many many obvious and immediate health benefits I could still tell things were not right. At this stage I went to several diagnostic specialists ( not cheap) who detected many environmental toxins, aluminium being one , BARIUM another , amongst other things like antimony. I had had a barium swallow for NHS tests ( not recommended) and wondered if it could have been that but after a repeat test I was still showing it ( so eat my shorts smarty pants.) These were done by two different people using differing equipment, but I'm sure some people may have a hard time understanding that such equipment does exist. Some of it is Russian technology and they do seem to really be ahead with diagnostic tech.
There is a whole new world of medical tech out there, and needless to say, your GP will never ever have it. Anyhow, at the time I was alarmed particularly by the aluminium as I have always avoided aluminium cookware, the barium didn't really mean anything to me at the time and I have no idea what amounts were detected as it was only later in relation to bloodpressure it was suggested I further chelate for heavy metals once again . Excess barium robs the body of manganese or is it magnesium,( my brain aint what it should be ,) and elevates blood pressure.

The problem is, some people are very ill equipped to excrete metals. In my case such heavy early Hg made me a terrible excreter. Interestingly enough mercury, according to my specialist, toxifies the sweat glands, and for me I could hardly sweat until I was forty eight and had my teeth completely re - done for the second time.
If I had not been able to sucessfully research my condition there is no doubt I would not be here now. I ended up with cavitations of the jaw bone and that's a condition most dentists do not even know exists. weird. Subsequently had to have a trench of it removed. I truly hope this is the end of that $hit.

Sorry to be long winded, but thought I might just post this for anyone who may have unresolved health problems and have not really looked at undetected teeth and jaw issues especially cavitation of the jawbone as there are no easily discernable symptoms of this ( Wesley Shankland is good on this) Many people with ME/ chronic fatigue/ heart issues, even cancer may well have this as an underlying condition and never have a clue.

I know a community of ex mercury toxic people who have a much harder time with the chemtrails because of their issues with excreting heavy metals. In fact, a few mercury forums were where I learned all about chemtrails and what is in them . I thought it was nuts too at first. What's nuts to me now is people who deny them. Or think the NHS is where to get your health testing done.... or ANYTHING.

Goodluck to anyone with these issues.

I wanted to get back to you earlier but got side lined on another thread. Besides, I was hoping someone else would chip in.

So... Looks like you have had a rough time of it. May I say I have compassion for your plight. Having suffered from long-term illness myself I understand how frustrating it can be. The steady erosion of ones fortitude.

Your statement above is related extensively to dental problems and the metals involved. You are of similar age to myself (48) and in your own words the problems started at age 9 (1971-ish or older) after visiting the dentist. With that said I extend my apologies for doubting you being tested for Barium. The levels, although significant to you, must have been within acceptable levels to your Doctors. Otherwise certain medical and health and bloody safety protocols would have been triggered.

I did some google sweeps with regard to Aluminium. Man that's almost frightening. The stuff is everywhere. Water, food, cooking implements and just about everything you use or work with.... scary. It made me think of my mother who is starting to show signs of dementia. She has used an Aluminium pressure cooker practically every day for 30 years. Unlike Barium Aluminium builds up in the body and can be the cause of many problems. Just Google Aluminium there's pages and pages of it….scary.

Barium is the lesser of the two evils. It does not accumulate within the body but can take some time to pass through. Barium also is a common metal found all around us. In natural forms it can leech into water supplies and is used extensively in manufacture, bricks, tiles, rubber, welding rods, fireworks to name a few. Also the UK is a major source for the mining and productions of all types of barium.

With your susceptibility to metals I would be concerned as to where you are coming into contact with the stuff. The work place perhaps. Is your home near a quarry or down wind of a foundry? Do you drink from a well, smoke welding rods or suck on bricks or have a rubber fetish… JUST kidding. Couldn’t resist the joke. Anyways you get what I mean.

So…back to square one. It is my opinion that you are more than likely to suffer the effects of metals within your EVERYDAY, commonplace environment than a 30,000 feet chem. trail. Logically they would have to saturate the air with thousands if not millions of tones of spray if that were the case.

From this link http://www.lenntech.com/periodic/elements/ba.htm
Many hazardous waste sites contain certain amounts of barium. People that live near them may be exposed to harmful levels. The exposure will than be caused by breathing dust, eating soil or plants, or drinking water that is polluted with barium. Skin contact may also occur.

From this link http://www.ehow.com/how_2273829_avoid-barium-poisoning.html
Know what poisons and chemicals you're exposed to at work. By law, you have a right to know about any potentially harmful substances you'll be dealing with. Fact sheets are available for each hazardous substance and are usually provided by your employer.


ALARMINGLY from this link http://www.drpepi.com/aluminum-poisoning.php
As the metal aluminum is present in our food, water supply, and soil, most people suffer from some degree of aluminum toxicity. After years of accumulated exposure and storage of it in body tissues, this poison can have results ranging from brain degeneration to skeletal deformities.

Seems to me your dental history and the info above. Your problem is the result of amalgam fillings NOT so called chem trails.

[swordsmith]

steve, are you actually my brother norman? You need to seriously get out of the denial on the chemtrails, bro, but at least your manners have improved. :wink2:

[SteveX]

steve, are you actually my brother norman? You need to seriously get out of the denial on the chemtrails, bro, but at least your manners have improved. :wink2:

Not so much denial as buying into. We'll have to agree to differ...Oh and I can't get down the pub till pay day :sweatdrop:

[Jack]

briefly, OMG jack, the jewell of your chelation knowledge is MMS? I expected more than that from you . Fry your kidneys at your own risk there, bud. Oh hah hah hah, I credited you with far too much . Hope your family members get a second opinion . eeeeek!!!
WARNING !!! Jack is NOT a doctor, and he knows precisely "jack" about chemtrails .

Also please let us now about the people you know who have grown new limbs, to my knowledge these are only insiders with mlitary medical tech. WOW, you could have saved superman with this stuff! keep talking!
Ok, back on track... ish ,anybody who does not know the difference between a CON trail and a chemtrail should look at
http://www.checktheevidence.co.uk/cms/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=76&Itemid=50
or bluenomore ,url above somewhere.


When a wiseman and a fool have an argument, the passer by will notice little difference.

I'm going to consider you the fool and me the wiseman here, simply because your not even prepared to engage in civilized conversation but instead go for the jugular and carry out a spot of character assassination. Your kind is known far and wide, people are not blind my friend.


But keep it up, these little games you like to play that take power from the mouths of others do indeed come at a price of their own, and someday for you that will become evident.

Have a nice day, i sincerely sympathize for you and hope someday a few rays of light will shine through your veil of ignorance.


AND FOR YOU CLEVER PEOPLE OUT THERE, THERE ARE MANY WAYS TO RID THE BODY OF HEAVY METALS, AND MANY MORE WAYS OF CURING EVEN THE MOST "INCURABLE DISEASES" IF YOUR SUFFERING FROM ANY OF THE ABOVE AND WOULD LIKE SOME ADVICE WITH WHICH YOU CAN USE YOUR OWN INTUITION AND COME TO YOUR OWN CONCLUSIONS THEN PLEASE DO FEEL FREE TO DROP ME A LITTLE MESSAGE.

Its time to take back our power guys, and stop having people keep telling us what we cant do, when we can in fact accomplish more then we can even begin to imagine.

[Jack]

Hi Jack -- i'm glad to hear that you are so in touch w/the healing power of the mind -- i've been hoping to meet someone who has broken thru the emf/chemical [as in 'chem'trails]/psychic prison Earth is in -- i could use some healing myself -- as apparently could Swordsmith

-distance being no deterrent to the unfettered mind [as you must know], perhaps i could pm you so we could set up a healing session w/your powerful , unfettered mind? are you well known as a healer in your area/circle?

perhaps w/your unfettered powerful mind you could also zap all the chemtrails off the entire planet? i don't know the answer to what to do about all the humans who make the chemtrail stuff, load it into the containers, load the containers on the planes, & fly the planes -- that's a lot of colluding folks, as this is going on all over the world

oh -- i forgot -- your mind is all powerful , w/no limits , so you can handle that

looking forward to your reply -- hoping, too, that after you take care of the chemtrail problem, we can go on to some other issues -- my suggestion: all the missing children

[edit] i grew up in the '50s, before chemtrails -- even in industrialized southern NJ, near Philly, i remember blue skies & white clouds whose beauty could take your breath away --please work hard & fast, Jack

Peace & Freedom, wynderer


Ive spent my life researching how to heal the human body and the human mind, being patronising wont change that, being humble and having some humility may just save the life of a family member or indeed yourself.

[Jack]

If people stopped complaining and started researching then they would soon find out that there is many things they can do to rid the world of chemtrails, there are many devices capable of such a task but i guess its much easier to come on here, bitch and complain, and then nail to a cross the poor fuxor that comes bearing good news.


PEOPLE OF PROJECT AVALON, ARE YOU HONESTLY GOING TO STAND FOR THIS BULLSH!T?

[swordsmith]

thanks jack, that took a while for your response but worth it to be sure. I mean I know little to nothing about chelation, I have only been studying it for 4 or 5 years but what do I know? The team of people helping me only have limited knowledge, I mean one is a colleague of Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt who has reversed autism in many, but jeepers he probably is in victim consciouness. They probably could learn from you, as can I, so please speak now and share.
Honestly, as a wiseman I really would like to hear your answers, you can give it to me in detail I think I will be able to follow ....
Anyone else not heard of jack, and who may feel like checking out Dr Klinghardt look out his interview with Dr Mercola.
I've also got a very smart friend who studied with Dr Marshall , she will be very interested to hear your info.
Thanks jack, I know you mean well , as do I.

[Jack]

thanks jack, that took a while for your response but worth it to be sure. I mean I know little to nothing about chelation, I have only been studying it for 4 or 5 years but what do I know? The team of people helping me only have limited knowledge, I mean one is a colleague of Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt who has reversed autism in many, but jeepers he probably is in victim consciouness. They probably could learn from you, as can I, so please speak now and share.
Honestly, as a wiseman I really would like to hear your answers, you can give it to me in detail I think I will be able to follow ....
Anyone else not heard of jack, and who may feel like checking out Dr Klinghardt look out his interview with Dr Mercola.
I've also got a very smart friend who studied with Dr Marshall , she will be very interested to hear your info.
Thanks jack, I know you mean well , as do I.

Your quoting a doctor??

Well now if thats the case then how about this, im a doctor in training, and will have completed my PHD in one years time. So i guess that puts us on an even keel.

Ive seen chembusters in action with my own eyes, clearing the sky until there is nothing but a beautiful blue expanse tarnished only by the odd flock of birds making their way about the world.

Your insinuating that were all screwed, that this is a problem we can only overcome with doctors and those in a position of authority.

TELL ME THIS AND TELL ME NOW MORE. IF WE ARE TO RELY ON "DOCTORS" THEN WHY ARE NONE OF THEM ADMITTING THAT THC CURES CANCERS AND MANY OTHER DISEASES.


Im expecting a civilised response , which means no jibes or inults, that is of course if this not beyond the realms of your intelect. With an attitude like that, you better be able to back it all up with facts.

[mntruthseeker]

[QUOTE=Jack;258212]Your quoting a doctor??

position of authority.

[CENTER]TELL ME THIS AND TELL ME NOW MORE. IF WE ARE TO RELY ON "DOCTORS" THEN WHY ARE NONE OF THEM ADMITTING THAT THC CURES CANCERS AND MANY OTHER DISEASES.


Jack what is THC ?

[JoshERTW]

Strange coincidence, I was just thinking of doign this myself after seeing about 3 planes spraying at any given time today, and plenty of those "stretched out" ones from the video. The only clouds in the sky today were those type of "all day" checmtrail ones... Otherwise woulda been a perfect blue sky. And this is in a town of 16,000 people!

[3optic]

[QUOTE=Jack;258212]Your quoting a doctor??

position of authority.

[CENTER]TELL ME THIS AND TELL ME NOW MORE. IF WE ARE TO RELY ON "DOCTORS" THEN WHY ARE NONE OF THEM ADMITTING THAT THC CURES CANCERS AND MANY OTHER DISEASES.


Jack what is THC ?

It's the psychoactive ingredient in cannabis aka marijuana.

Jack you had me until you started dipping to the level of your detractors. I'm sure there are people who are interested in what you have to say if you tone it down a notch.

Also why not familiarize yourself with the Dr Klinghardt interview so you can take something away from this exchange?

[swordsmith]

jack, I'm very interested in what you have to say, please dont shout, I can still hear and with that said, I'm glad to know you are nearly a doctor, even though you hold them in contempt, but do tell , we are waiting...

[wynderer]

re Ley lines -- some yrs ago i was in my local bar, & an British man visiting the area & i were talking, mostly about politics -- before he left, out of the blue he asked me if i knew anything about Ley lines -- at the time i was living on one, near a power spot & very close to an Iroquois burial mound dug up/desecrated by a local university -- he told me he'd researched them, the Ley lines, & that people living on them had a much higher rate of suiclide/illness/ divorce etc

it was while i was living here that i woke up during the abduction, & fought off reptilians & greys for 3 wks -- friends who slept overnght on the couch had weird dreams

i'm assuming that the Ley lines themselves, being of the Earth, are essentially a source of loving healing energy, but that the nwo is grabbing/manipulating this energy as well as all the rest of it they can -- i wonder how many 'cell phone' towers are placed on the lines?

Peace & Freedom, wynderer

[swordsmith]

hey wynderer, great post , very interesting to me in my position etc. hmmmm.... thank you. I love anecdotal stories , they just have a little more juice than "I read this or that ..."

[Jack]

jack, I'm very interested in what you have to say, please dont shout, I can still hear and with that said, I'm glad to know you are nearly a doctor, even though you hold them in contempt, but do tell , we are waiting...


Your not even slightly interested in having a civilised conversation. Your only motivation is to set a few traps with some tasty bait, then discredit the person that falls for it. The only reason i even responded to you was so that for those on this forum who do not have eyes to see, it might shed some light on the disinformation/**** stirring agents that are running rampant here while there is zero effort to come together and expose them for what they are. We as a race of people are past the point of being stupid enough to engage with each other on anything like an aggresive level when so much more can be gained from cooperating in truth, wisdom and love.

If a civilised person who has enough inteligence to engage in a harmonious exchange of information asks me a question, i'll answer it, but for the likes of you, do one.

[wynderer]

Hi Swordsmith -- [btw, i also thought you were a dude --you are a fierce dudette]

this is kind of off-topic, but i thought you might be interested, re anecdotal stories -- some yrs ago Chet Snow wrote his 'Mass Dreams of the Future' -- his compilation/conclusions from pre-gressing many many clients to their future life

tho each life was seen/pre-experienced as an individual, C Snow saw that there were clearly 3 distinctly separate futures ahead -- this was in the days before all the interest in timelines

the most commonly seen future was of the humans all living on a completely barren & sterile Earth -- a moonscape-- living in clear domes w/all air & water recirculated for use, as Earth was poisoned -- one man said it was 'the loneliest life' he'd ever had -- this is one way for humans to learn how important the animals, trees, the sound of running water, etc are to them --& i always wonder what is/who lives below the domes

a second future was that of humans living in small fighting tribes -- weapons & fortifications big in this one -- the physical survivalist mind-set

the third is one that i know many here on the forums have seen & dream of -- humans living in a higher state of consciousness on an Earth cherished & pure -- one man said, '& no animals are ever hurt here' -- [not too many saw this future]

i offer this in the spirit of DW Griffith's admonition: 'Never underestimate the intelligence of the common man'

Peace & Freedom, wynderer

[swordsmith]

I'll take door number three thanks! Wynderer, its been a pleasure.