Serious question about popping the question (could use women's advice here)

[Church]

Hello everyone. Yes, I am posing a rather serious question to a buncha strangers on an internet forum, lol. But the reason for this is twofold: first, sometimes you get the best advice from strangers, because they don't necessarily tell you what you want to hear... and second, because come on, this is Project Avalon, home of the awakened souls from around the world!

Okay, so I love my girlfriend. I plan on proposing to her in the very near future. The "problem" I keep running into in my mind when I think this through is that I am not much of a "consumerist" and I don't really participate in much of our economy, up to and including jewelry stores. I'm not a big fan of materialism, and objects that cost lots of money, and that sort of thing.

And my girlfriend is just as much a hippy as I am. She knows how I feel about consuming, and buying things, and spending money just because it's what we're supposed to do, that sort of thing. Yet, she is a woman, and, correct me if I'm wrong ladies, but don't even the least materialistic of women out there still enjoy jewelry? At least the kinds that pertain to sacred unions?

So basically, yeah, my issue is that I think I'm supposed to buy a ring to put on her finger when I propose, aren't I? To you women out there who might find yourselves NOT to be the typical woman out there, and aren't into materialism and participating in our corrupt economy, what do you recommend I do?

As much as I believe my girlfriend believes that she is not interested in material things, something tells me she would find an interest if I don't attempt to come up with an engagement ring.

Am I overthinking any or all of this? Can I just find a secondhand ring from someone on like craigslist or something, or are engagement rings something that should be bought brand new, for symbolic purposes? Should I try "making" a ring to put on her finger, for that corny "yes my boyfriend soldered together a ring for me" kind of look? Should I just propose without a ring? I'm having a panic attack, because I don't want any part of this to go wrong. I know that women remember this day for the rest of their lives...

What do I do? I want to propose to her under the stars on a cruise we are taking in a few weeks, so I want all my ducks in a row. Thanks to anyone who offers me any advice. :)

[Jack]

Its interesting to see when people answer a question by their very asking it.

As much as I believe my girlfriend believes that she is not interested in material things, something tells me she would find an interest if I don't attempt to come up with an engagement ring.

You've a "hunch" that your girl would appreciate a token of your love. To put this into perspective, and why a "good ring" (ie : expensive) means so much to a girl, is because at the ultimate level, you have just offered her "so many days" of your labour. Its a token, of the amount of effort your willing to put into the marriage.

Go with your intuition, it rarely see's us wrong.

[5thElement]

Couldn't resist - call it the woman in me :original:

What about antique/heirloom? You could find something totally unique (don't just think engagement ring style). You could probably find something affordable and really her style. Do you have any antique or second hand stores around your area?

Just my thoughts - and DO NOT put yourself in debt over an engagement ring. I have seen many people still paying on rings that are no longer together. I do not believe that is your fate:wub2: but why add a financial stress to such a happy event!

El

[Kulapops]

Well I'm not your typical woman... but...

I did have a friend who out of similar reservations and hatred of commercialism got his wife leather wedding ring...

But I have also to add that their marriage didn't last very long.

The whole point of the jewelry is that it is a durable eternal physical reminder of your eternal metaphysical and undying love.

It's not commercial in the same way as say, a christmas card.

If you want it to be special, then I guess you buy what you can afford. I think there used to be a rule of thumb for putting a token value on this value that cannot be valued, like say.. a month's salary.

My guess is if you can afford the cruise then, the ring shouldn't be too much of a prob... (isn't credit getting cheaper these days.. and look on the bright side...you may not have to pay it back if the world ends :original:..get the best you can.)

If it were me, and I was against the whole material thing.. or I was hard up and just had to pop the question now... I might do something romantic, like make something or find something 'alternative'... but I think that would just be a temporary measure until the real thing could be acquired.

But then.. what do I know? I'm a bloke...

Good luck.. and great that you ask your friends here for advice.. I think Avalon is as much about that... 'community' as it is about anything else.

K

[waitinginthewings]

If you do go for an heirloom or 2nd hand ring, be sure to cleanse it spiritually first before giving it to her.

[Kulapops]

If you do go for an heirloom or 2nd hand ring, be sure to cleanse it spiritually first before giving it to her.

:lmao: That's all you need, isn't it? For your future love to end up being possessed by a pan-dimensional entity after slipping the ring on, spinning her head about a few times.. and chucking you overboard...

Wise advice indeed.

[5thElement]

If you do go for an heirloom or 2nd hand ring, be sure to cleanse it spiritually first before giving it to her.

Good advice :)

My daughter and I both have non-typical engagement/wedding rings. We love them and some might call us ......hippies - shhh:zip:

El

[THE eXchanger]

almost every diamond, is a used diamond ;)

[gita]

Trust to find you on this thread Kula - tut.:naughty: Mind you do give better advice than some women. xx:mfr_lol:

[THE eXchanger]

i'd ask her first, b4, you get a ring - what if she says NO

[Jack]

i'd ask her first, b4, you get a ring - what if she says NO

4 weeks labour down the drain!

[Church]

Okay thanks for chiming in everyone. :)

A few points, and I actually thought about this when typing out my first post... don't know why I didn't mention it... but I realize how ironic it sounds that I'm going on a cruise and in the same breath I don't participate in consumerism. But the truth is, it's the first cruise I've ever been on, and I'm 32 years old. Also, and this is really the important part, because if it weren't for this, I would NOT be going on this cruise: I did not buy the tickets. My and my girlfriend's tickets were paid for by my father. He also does not have lots of money, but he wanted to treat his entire family to a cruise as a retirement gift to himself, as he just retired from 40 years of civil service.

So the truth is, I do not have any money. I lost my job as a network admin last year, and I was denied unemployment (which I didn't appeal, maybe I should have, but it's water under the bridge now), and I am still unemployed. So I am very broke. I freelance and take odd jobs here and there, whenever possible, but this brings me just barely enough money to buy groceries and pay for my auto insurance. My girlfriend is actually letting me stay in her house, otherwise I'd have many more bills. I guess, in the parlance of our times, one could make the argument that she is like a "sugar mama" to me. But we have an understanding, and she knows as soon as I'm back on my feet I will be paying all the bills from that point forward, so I jest when say that.

So, the truth is, I have no money. Now, that doesn't mean I couldn't work out a barter of some kind with someone (who I don't know yet) who might be able to supply me with what I'm looking for. It's actually one of my skills, I don't understand it, but I have a way of being able to bring the barter system out whenever it is needed, and get people on board. I think deep down everyone knows that bartering is the TRUE currency. But nonetheless, I will have to perform some labor or tutor someone or clean out someone's computer or two in order to get the ring. I can see that now.

I like the idea of using an antique shop. I actually live in an area of town where I am surrounded by cute little antique shops and thrift stores. I've always associated them with furniture, but I guess I have no reason to believe I couldn't find jewelry at one of them?

Waitinginthewings, how do I go about cleansing jewelry spiritually? I've heard about the need for this before, when people were talking about crystalline rocks and gems, but I guess it would make sense that regular old metals might benefit from this too. Can someone elaborate? Thank you all for your contributions. This place has been pretty tumultuous lately, so I wasn't sure what to expect by posting this thread. Seriously, thank you everyone.

:)

(Feel free to keep the advices coming!)

[mudra]

I would rather have my Loved one share the whole road with me
than receiving a ring and see us separating after a while.
What I am trying to convey is that the ring is a symbol
and that it's message really is to nurture the Love you share between
you every day of your life .
Therefore the real value of this ring is the Love that you put into it .
If you have no money at all a long kiss on her finger will transfer your feelings to her too :wub2:

Love from me
mudra

[Church]

^ Mudra, that is beautiful advice. It's what, deep down, I actually believe, yet I still feel the need to entertain all possibilities and get a better perspective on things, even if I do end up doing just what you so eloquently posted above. Thank you.

To THE eXchanger: In regards to the asking her first before getting a ring... seriously? I don't mind if you're playing with me, but I just want to know if you are. It seems like a tacky thing to do, right? To wait to buy the ring until she says yes? (It's a funny thought, though, I must admit). And of course, it's always a possibility that she'll say no, but I refuse to feed that quantum possibility, that's all. We've been together for almost 4 years now. We've had some ups and downs. But it's because of those downs that I know I can spend the rest of my life with her.

Wow I'm nervous suddenly...

[THE eXchanger]

4 weeks labour down the drain!

4 weeks ? it is supposed to be 4 months of income :mfr_lol:

[THE eXchanger]

You should ask her, and, then, say
~ i want to get your a ring
but, since, i do NOT know, what it is,
you might like to wear for the rest of your life ~
i thought it best, to offer to let you choose it !!!
so, i know, it is something, you really will love to wear
and, make her, part of the process

[THE eXchanger]

their is a fun online site called www.bidz.com (i think)
sometimes, diamond rings, go really cheap there

[Christo888]

Well Mr. Church it is really cool that you are putting so much thought into your special moment and just as special is how you view who you are marrying.

Think of the ring that you want to propose with as a symbol that has a story behind it such as the time you two have already spent together. So search for a ring that has a story behind it and may not necessarily be expensive at all.

Stop by some estate sales or estate boutiques, even put an ad in craigslist briefly describing what you are looking for in a ring. Florida is full of treasures!

And whoop it up... enjoy the cruise to the full extent that you can and all the ports you get off on. Sure we have overdone the consumerism aspect but it is what it is so enjoy the parts of the planet while it is still relatively safe and easy to do so!!!!

Congratulations!!!

[THE eXchanger]

here's a deal on ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220566029722&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en

[mudra]

In regards to the asking her first before getting a ring... seriously? I don't mind if you're playing with me, but I just want to know if you are. It seems like a tacky thing to do, right? To wait to buy the ring until she says yes? (It's a funny thought, though, I must admit). And of course, it's always a possibility that she'll say no, but I refuse to feed that quantum possibility, that's all. We've been together for almost 4 years now. We've had some ups and downs. But it's because of those downs that I know I can spend the rest of my life with her.

Wow I'm nervous suddenly...

Church I don't know and am not sure if you are referring to my post but if so I am very sorry I did'nt express myself more clearly.
What I am wanting to convey is that how much the ring costs has litle importance .
Choose one that you can afford . You have received great tips from the previous posters as to various possibilities that are offered to you.
The fact that you Love your partner is all that counts really for it is the Love that you share that will keep you together .
Please relax and just enjoy that beautifull moment with your partner during the cruise.
I wish you well .

Love from me
mudra

[Church]

No, mudra, I'm sorry for the confusion, I meant to direct that to the eXchanger. This thread got a lot more attention than I imagined it would, and now I'm struggling to make sure I caught everything and responded to everyone. I really truly appreciate your advice, and everyone's. This is all very helpful to me, although, I didn't realizewhen I started this thread that it would cause me to get premature butterflies in my stomach!

You should ask her, and, then, say
~ i want to get your a ring
but, since, i do NOT know, what it is,
you might like to wear for the rest of your life ~
i thought it best, to offer to let you choose it !!!
so, i know, it is something, you really will love to wear
and, make her, part of the process

:original:

Wow, I didn't think about it that way! That actually seems to resonate with me. I'm going to have to meditate on that one. If I do go down this route, should I at least put an "honorary" ring on her finger, for the symbolism and the ritual of it all? Like, something silly, but playful, like a plastic ring from a gumball machine?

Also, (God I know this makes me sound like a nerd, but I don't care!), what finger do I put the engagement ring on? It doesn't go on the ring finger, right, because that's where the actual wedding band goes?

[Ross H]

How lovely that you want to get this right...just that alone says volumes.

Remember where diamonds come from, or rather how they are got!

Be careful...energy!

Im in OZ, I would drive up to the 'gem' region and dig my own, then have it cut and set...bit like picking your own flowers...

Best of luck Church. oh and Im not a woman...as in advice...

Peace

[Church]

Thanks, Christo888, for those kind words. :)

The eXchanger, thank you very much for going above and beyond, finding me an actual ring. I feel very fortunate to be able to be getting all this advice so quickly after asking for it.

THis is truly a special place we have here! :)

[mudra]

No, mudra, I'm sorry for the confusion, I meant to direct that to the eXchanger. This thread got a lot more attention than I imagined it would, and now I'm struggling to make sure I caught everything and responded to everyone. I really truly appreciate your advice, and everyone's.

LOL .. Thanks for clearing it up :lmfao:
Yes your thread gets a lot of attention .. Happy moments we all want to share :wub2:

I have no clue where one puts such a ring as I was never been offered one myself.
But I am sure all the ladies and gents here will ;)

Be well and Happy :)

Love from me
mudra

[THE eXchanger]

yeah, mudra, we are both two 'old' mades :mfr_lol:

[aroundthetable]

Ok im gonna take a risk here and tell you straight how i feel, please dont take offence ( im sure you wont anyway)

So if your a hippy type or non consumer advocate ( i proudly espouse the same way of life - simple living) and so is your girlfriend, why on earth would you even consider going down such a conformist and cheesy route as the whole ring and cruise route. Myself and my own partner believe genuinely in the fallacy of consumerism, in buying things we dont really need - and we mean it 100%. Our life is so full of love and respect towards each other and everyday is full of romance and laughter and talking and cooking etc etc etc. If i bought her a diamond ring and two cruise tickets she would look at me like i was suddenly a complete stranger, that everything she thought i was, was fake.

Of course, many people say one thing and do another and there's always a so called good reason, if you are both actually that way then go ahead, if not then why do it?

I think your more creative than that.

Sorry i went off a bit, i really wish you both well in your journey together.

Maybe first start another thread for suggestions of alternative ways to the bog standard. Ever heard of blood diamonds?

Boy oh boy tis is one post that keeps saying as i type DONT PRESS SUBMIT!!!!


anyhoo, you did ask :original:

[Church]

No offense taken, mainly because of your willingness to include this little gem:

Boy oh boy tis is one post that keeps saying as i type DONT PRESS SUBMIT!!!!

I appreciate your candor, and that made me laugh, so bless you!! :naughty:

Now to respond to your post, I can only assume that you didn't read my little "addendum" post halfway down page 1 where I addressed this, and truthfully, I don't blame you. I should probably re-edit my first post. But anyway, the deal is quite simply, my father just retired from his 40 year job, and as a treat to himself, he wanted to take all of his family on a cruise. It is his actual wish for all of us (his children and their significant others) to accompany him on this vacation. That is the only reason I will be on this cruise. My dad is NOT against consumerism and materialism. (Yet somehow he spawned me). So by going on this cruise, I am respecting my father's wishes.

As far as the ring goes, let's be fair, I never said I need to buy a diamond ring. In fact, that's why I'm here, posting this thread... to find out if it really matters whether the ring is a plastic lollipop ring, or if it's my nipple ring that I take off and slip over her finger, or if the ring really needs to be there at all? Heck, if it were up to me, I'd probably tattoo the ring right onto her finger. But it's not up to me. I'm concerned about what my Woman wants, or expects, regarding the engagement and/or ring. I truly, humbly, do not know a lot of times what to do when it comes to women, because, look, let's be honest here, men don't understand women a lot of the time! lol So basically, I just wanted to find out from other people, and specifically other women, what they think about this. I know that to many women a marriage proposal is a milestone event, and I want to do this right FOR HER BENEFIT, not necessarily mine.

Did that explain it? So in summary, I know that rings don't Matter (with a capital M) in the grand scheme of things, but in the small, personal, feminine side of things, don't they matter there?

[THE eXchanger]

If I do go down this route, should I at least put an "honorary" ring on her finger, for the symbolism and the ritual of it all? Like, something silly, but playful, like a plastic ring from a gumball machine?
Also, (God I know this makes me sound like a nerd, but I don't care!), what finger do I put the engagement ring on? It doesn't go on the ring finger, right, because that's where the actual wedding band goes?

An engagement ring, goes on the same finger,
as, the wedding band
left hand, beside, the little finger

it is also known,
as, the 'know thyself' finger
or, the "apollo" finger,
that finger, along with the mound just below it are ruled by the Sun,
so, that is why, some people call it Apollo.

i'd NOT think getting her a ring, from an gumball machine
is likely a very good idea,

although, a candy ring, could be fun
esp; if you put it on her,
and, then very slowly took your time
eating it~ as, you took breaks in between
to tell her, there was something
you wanted to talk to her about :mfr_lol:

[THE eXchanger]

does your dad or, your mum have their grandmother's engagement ring
perhaps, hanging around, collecting dust ???

(you might be surprised, what might happen
if you ask dear old mum/or dad, for their advise
on asking a girl to marry you)

[aroundthetable]

No offense taken, mainly because of your willingness to include this little gem:



I appreciate your candor, and that made me laugh, so bless you!!

Now to respond to your post, I can only assume that you didn't read my little "addendum" post halfway down page 1 where I addressed this, and truthfully, I don't blame you. I should probably re-edit my first post. But anyway, the deal is quite simply, my father just retired from his 40 year job, and as a treat to himself, he wanted to take all of his family on a cruise. It is his actual wish for all of us (his children and their significant others) to accompany him on this vacation. That is the only reason I will be on this cruise. My dad is NOT against consumerism and materialism. (Yet somehow he spawned me). So by going on this cruise, it is out of respect to my father.

Well in that case i say go for it and enjoy every minute my friend :original:

[THE eXchanger]

can the ship's captain, marry people at sea ???

[lindabaker]

The ring goes on the left "ring" finger, whether it be engagement, wedding ring, or both together. (If your bride will be wearing both together, you first buy the engagement ring by itself, then add the wedding ring (which matches) during the ceremony. ) Now, that's in the US. I don't know about other lands...

I like the idea of mining for a natural gem yourself. Or, take your bride to be on an outdoor adventure and find it together...and keep it until later when you can put it into a marriage ring...one stone on a simple band, maybe?

In the meantime, wait until you have some cash flow considering all of those wedding plans...advice from an elder here.

Diamonds have become less sought after in the US. Brides are choosing sapphires, which can be superior stones, anyway, and just as durable. I recently got a wedding ring, with a yellow sapphire, and it's very beautiful and not as needlessly expensive as a diamond. Yeah, go mining, son.

Good luck.

[Christo888]

Well Mudra and eXchanger you two get a 'Golden Ring.':trumpet:


:biggrin2:

[Church]

Who knows, maybe I'll unearth an ancient ring in the Mayan ruins I'll be visiting? If that happened, I would take it as a sign that my girlfriend is a reincarnated Mayan temple priestess, and that our marriage is ordained by the Mayan Calendar!

Thanks everyone. This thread has served to simultaneously fill my stomach with butterflies, while also assuring me that I'm making the right decision by popping the question.

I love Love!

[THE eXchanger]

my dad, and, my brother, became a lot closer,
when he (my brother) asked my dad,
for advise on how to ask a woman to marry him

~ i know my grandmother's old engagement ring is busy
collecting dust

~ you NEVER know, maybe there is an old family ring
just sitting idle ?

sometimes, making your parents,
part of your process, makes them feel good
that you respect them, enough to ask their opinions
(even, if secretly, you don't want to hear it)
it can bridge some old gaps, by asking

~ maybe he might have some 'fun' suggestions, on how to propose ???

at the kulkulkan pyramid, there is an amasing temple,
at the back of the property
it's the old iXchel temple

[Kulapops]

I think eXchanger is right about the captain having the power to marry you at sea too.

Anchors aweigh and Butterflies away then ! You can get married on the cruise!

What a lovely story. I wish you all the love and luck in the world church.

K

[mudra]

Well Mudra and eXchanger you two get a 'Golden Ring.':trumpet:


:biggrin2:

Well thanks Christo on which finger should we wear it ? :mfr_lol:

Love from me
mudra

[Christo888]

Well thanks Christo on which finger should we wear it ? :mfr_lol:

Love from me
mudra

This 'Ring' needs no fingers!!!!!!:wink2:

It's a beaming Halo around your head! :lol3:

[waitinginthewings]

There are different ways to cleanse jewelery. One way is to place it outside in the full sun for a day. (wash it first though) Another way is to place it in some sea salt (I use sea salt) make sure its covered in the salt in a glass bowl. Leave it there for a day or so. Then remove it. Then you can infuse it with your love vibration, by holding it between your hands for a few minutes, while you visualize all the love you can muster in the form of a pink energy penetrating the ring. Also, you can say a little prayer of your choice while holding the ring. Hope this helps. I always use the full sun, or if no sun available, I use the sea salt.

Another idea would be to do a surprise wedding on the cruise ship. Don't tell your parents until an hour beforehand. I love surprises like that. Removes all the preparatory stress.

[mudra]

This 'Ring' needs no fingers!!!!!!:wink2:

It's a beaming Halo around your head! :lol3:

In Lak' ech Christo :wub2:

mudra

[whitefluffy]

Church,

My advice would be, dont spend any money unless you are sure she would love the ring, after all she's going to wear it. Maybe you might want to have something too? So i agree with the suggestion, propose first, ring later. Then you can go shopping/searching together. I too am not into endless, mindless consumerism, however i do have one gorgeous piece of jewellery, and that is my/our engagement ring. Going on the cruise will be the perfect time to propose as you have said, and you could probably arrange a beautiful romantic dinner to surprise her with, the proposal does not need to include a ring at the time.
It would be far better to decide on a ring together, which is what my husband and i did, 18 years ago. If money is a big problem, i would also suggest estate jewellery. i would imagine the quality would be better than many modern settings, bit like antique furniture. Alternatively, following the proposal, as you will be on a cruise, you may be able to find a ring at duty free prices.

One final piece of advice church, when you do propose, make sure you do it on bended knee and she'll remember it forever! oh and get to the church on time, lol!

Best wishes,
hope it all goes well
:thumb_yello::wub2:

[xbusymom]

I am not materialistic either, and I still remember the proposal that my second husband made to me... and I loved the ring. It was a handmade large squiggle with a large quartz (fake diamond) on it. and since it was a one-of-a-kind ring, I ended up taking it off for the wedding ceremony- thus it became my wedding ring. (I still have it- in my jewelery storage box)... and what touched me the most was the love that came through - not the fashion of the ring.

[-Axiom-]

I didn't read the thread so this has probably already been covered.

Yes you should get her a nice ring, it doesn't have to be expensive but it should be something that will last a lifetime.

[futureyes]

congratulations church ... :wub2:

i have been pondering on your dilemma ...

well ... if i was your gal ... i personally would not place significance on receiving an engagement ring from you at this current time ... keeping in mind and understanding finances as they are ...

rather ... what i would cherish ... are the moments which you ask me to become your life long partner ... it is the memory of this time ... that would remain with me forever to reflect back upon ...

i would value your creativeness ... much more than a diamond ... of how you would go about doing so ... and ESPECIALLY ... the words you spoke to me in your asking ...

words and actions stemming from your heart ... feeling them within mine ... gold and diamonds would not come close ...

if finances improve for the two of you in a year ... then perhaps a ring is to be sought after at that time ... perhaps on your first year anniversary ... if that is what she wants and it then becomes more affordable ...

but you are not marrying me ... :lol3:
yet these are my own thoughts ...
so as long as whatever you did ... came from your heart in asking me ... there would be no greater honour than to say yes ...

surprise her ... that'd be nice ... :thumb_yello:
the gumball ring ... :nono:
creativeness ... :thumb_yello:
from your heart ... :wub2:

whatever you do ... she will love you ... because ... you are you ... :wub2:

:wub2:

[futureyes]

How lovely that you want to get this right...just that alone says volumes.

Remember where diamonds come from, or rather how they are got!

Be careful...energy!

Im in OZ, I would drive up to the 'gem' region and dig my own, then have it cut and set...bit like picking your own flowers...

Best of luck Church. oh and Im not a woman...as in advice...

Peace

ahh ... what an awesome idea ross h ... guess it resonated with me due to my appreciation of all stones/crystals/etc ... :thumb_yello:

if that were ever to happen for me ... that someone would have done something like this ... i'd probably faint ... then after i was scooped up and revived ... i'd say yes! :lol3:

you're a gem ...

:wub2:

[THE eXchanger]

i knew, there were 'real' gems in oz,
but, i didn't know there were diamonds,
coming there, with a pick & my halo !!! :mfr_lol:

[THE eXchanger]

congratulations church ... :wub2:
rather ... what i would cherish ... are the moments which you ask me to become your life long partner ... it is the memory of this time ... that would remain with me forever to reflect back upon ...

i would value your creativeness ... much more than a diamond ... of how you would go about doing so ... and ESPECIALLY ... the words you spoke to me in your asking ...

words and actions stemming from your heart ... feeling them within mine ... gold and diamonds would not come close ...



yup, i agree with this poster

be authentic, and, be real ;)

do it with your 'whole' heart

[THE eXchanger]

In Lak' ech Christo :wub2:

mudra

words worth repeating

In Lak' ech Christo :wub2:

[NancyV]

I agree with Exchanger about asking her first. Maybe she doesn't place much value on rings. My present husband and I went to a pawn shop and found very inexpensive gold rings for around $25 each, even though we had plenty of money, because neither of us cared much for rings. I don't think we wore them for long but we've lost them both some time in the last 15 years. We're still married but no rings.

I was married 3 times previously and each time I did not want an expensive ring, even when I married a multi millionaire once. I took him to a wholesale outlet and got a nice ring that was around $450, very cheap for his tastes. I care nothing about rings and never have. Maybe your future wife doesn't care much about rings. It would be good to find out what significance she places on them and what she thinks would be good to do since you can't afford an expensive ring. I also never had a desire for an engagement ring.

I'm sure that your marriage proposal will be so thrilling to her that a ring would be unimportant, and if she is non traditional it would be unnecessary. I wish you both a happy and wonderful marriage. I have certainly enjoyed all of mine, especially this present one!

Nancy

[Christo888]

In Lak' ech Christo :wub2:

mudra

words worth repeating

In Lak' ech Christo :wub2:


Woohoo... a 'Double Ring' ceremony. :lol3:

You ladies are awesome.:wub2:

:flowers2::flowers2:

:huglove::huglove:

[Céline]

Ok ..may i speak proffesionaly first?

Send 11 red roses to her place of work..n the card tell her that you will be bringing the 12th yourself.


When you talk to the florist ask for long stem (refers to quality rather then just length). Freedom, is a beautiful red rose..Tell the florist to wrap it in a white box, add petals and ask to use a silk ribbon to tie the box..

The single rose should not be wrapped..offer it to her plain...

Ask the question..simply.."will you?"

Love..what a wonderful ritual

[THE eXchanger]

lovely idea,

celine-how did richard propose ???

[cloud9]

I would suggest, for non-traditional people as you are, instead of having gold and diamonds or expensive material anyway, to try a less expensive route but keeping the meaning of something that it's intended to last forever or at least for a very long time. Nowadays you can get beautiful sterling silver rings with gemstones which have different meanings and properties, as you say she's not the type of woman who thinks diamonds are a girl's best friends, the point it's to show her that you consider the proposal and the whole "ritual" important, she will have something physical to remind her of your love and silver could be more in tune with her personality that diamonds and gold, something that she will wear every day with "gusto" and goes better with her character.
Another point is you can buy new and you don't have to worry about cleaning, you don't need to go mining or spend much time in fairs, state sales, etc., sterling it's easy to find.
I wish you the best and I know somehow you'll make the right decision.
Cloud.

[Raven]

Put those pre-mature butterflys in an incubator QUICK!!!:lmfao: Sorry, but that statement really tickled my funny bone:)
All the suggestions here are great. I especially loved eXchangers idea of a gumball or candy ring and slowly eating/licking it off while telling her you have an important question to ask, BRILLIANT!! But personally as a woman, back this gesture up with something tangeable, like cloud9's suggestion of a nice silver ring with a beautiful gemstone or two in it. I know that most if not all girls love sparklys, doesn't matter the cost, as long as it shimmers and shines like the glow on your face when you propose. Or perhaps with a poem written from your heart, i love this idea, but then i love poems :)
Anyhow, congratulations!!! I hope your cruise becomes the most romantic time of your life. Much joy, Raven