Where's the proof of re-incarnation and past lives…

[Peace of mind]

...or are these just theories?

I'm wondering why so many speak of these in their comments as if they are some known facts. People are using them in their arguments, summaries and advice...but I haven't seen any proof to re-incarnation or past lives...just opinionated beliefs.
thanks in advance...

Peace

[hollylindin]

If it's something you've personally experienced, Peace Of Mind, no proof is necessary. I have a hard time convincing my partner that he's been here many, many times (although I remember us together in different ways, in different places! :)), but I understand that I've remembered the experience and he doesn't/hasn't yet, so there's really nothing I can say/do to convince. There are tons of stories all over the place (they've even been on the news!) but, until you've experienced it yourself, nothing will convince you. And I think a lot of people here have experienced it in some form or another, which is why we talk about it with such acceptance.

<3

[tron]

This impressed me.\
tho its no proof.
the father even says his belief system contradicts reincarnation, yet he can not deny his son.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EWwzFwUOxA

:original:

[TRANCOSO]

Proof? PROOF?PROOF?!? :lmfao:
Would you believe it!
PROOF!
That's like asking for proof that God exists!
Of course there's proof!
:roll1:

[Harper]

Traipsing up a hill once in search of hazelnuts, I think, I shocked the pants off my family by, asking why we kept coming back over and over again to do the same things? They responded, what picking hazelnuts? No, I said living. I was 5 years old. I followed it by asking why all the spaceships go up in space, some of them should definaltely go down...........hehehehe

They have been looking at me funny ever since. I need no proof, however its a perfectly valid question.

take it easy

[sjkted]

If you're looking for proof more on the scientific level, look at some of the studies from the Brian Weiss material. He is a medical doctor who turned believer in reincarnation who has written quite a bit on the topic and given a few different case studies that are very difficult to refute.

Another issue is how well you trust your memory. Where were you yesterday? What were your parents like when you grew up? Where did you first go to school? Right now, those all are memories and if you trust that they were real experiences, reincarnation is no different. They are just memories from a past lifetime.

--sjkted

[rosie]

Well, after making some Hungarian stew and putting it down for my youngest son to eat, who was 3 1/2 at the time, he took a bite and looked up with a smile on his face to myself and his older sister, and said...

"My other mom made food just like this" it's good, isn't it!

And,

I just had a customer come in for a print job a couple of months ago, and out of the blue he told me he should be dead, he died after an aneurysm had
blown in his brain. It took them 3 minutes to get him back.

When he realized he was back in the hospital bed, he cried, as he told the doctors and nurses that they just ripped him away from his grandmother, and where he was, he was not in pain, and he was very very happy, the most happy he has been in his whole life.

He had to go for therapy after that, as a very deep depression set in, because he would rather have been not brought back to life.

Now, his wife was by his side when he was telling me his story, and she agreed to it all, she even looked sad for him.

And,
I am trained in palliative care, and during my volunteer work in this area, when my clients were very close to "going home" there would be many conversations between them and whom ever they were close to, who have already passed on. Smiles and tears of happiness would wash over their faces, and you just knew, that they were in fact "going home"

This is some of "my" proofs, but I have many more, and yes, it can be hard to believe in, if you do not have any experience with it at all.

It is just one of those things. :original:

love & light

[Christo888]

If you're looking for proof more on the scientific level, look at some of the studies from the Brian Weiss material. He is a medical doctor who turned believer in reincarnation who has written quite a bit on the topic and given a few different case studies that are very difficult to refute.

Another issue is how well you trust your memory. Where were you yesterday? What were your parents like when you grew up? Where did you first go to school? Right now, those all are memories and if you trust that they were real experiences, reincarnation is no different. They are just memories from a past lifetime.

--sjkted

Yes, he has great insight on the subject of past lives. The really cool part is his own personal story of how he became interested in the subject . His newfound interest happened to him by accident and he had to change his own belief system and go against traditional psychology as he learned through his own patients under hypnosis how they were solving there own conflicts by remembering past lives. Dr. Weiss further proclaims, in an experiment he did with over 4000 patients, that there are basically 4 futures that will unfold... :original:

And the good doctor went so far as to actually ask a person under hypnosis how they ended up on Earth...:original:

So next time you are around one of your friends or partners, out of the blue ask them how they, their soul, got here and don't say another word. Only they can know or find the answer to that one, they may even just blurt it out and not know they already knew, or you just may create a research monster.:lol3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvsMjQ61OUY&feature=channel

[Peace of mind]

So in other words, this means anyone can go around saying they were Abraham Lincoln, Martian Luther King JR, FDR, JFK, etc…
Forgive my suspicions but the whole thing just sounds suspect to me. Especially, when those claiming to have been some great leader or figure head, but in this life they do nothing in comparison.

I sometimes feel like I was here before too, but can I actually prove it? I’m not sure.
I’m wondering how others come to these realizations with little to no logical proof. Do you know how many people claim they are the re-incarnation of Jesus?

The real reason I asked is to get answers, or the lack of an answer from certain people. This will further help me and a few of my partners in discerning a few issues. IMO, this board has become saturated with unproven beliefs and the spreading of nonfactual information can hinder our progress…as well as yours.

Thanks tron and sjkted, I’ll continue to look into this…


Peace

[MyShadow]

...or are these just theories?

I'm wondering why so many speak of these in their comments as if they are some known facts. People are using them in their arguments, summaries and advice...but I haven't seen any proof to re-incarnation or past lives...just opinionated beliefs.
thanks in advance...

Peace

To some extent, I'm with you on this one. It's hard to substantiate these theories when the variables are virtually all intangible. Discernment is the key.

Dolores Cannon, Brain Weiss - use hypnotic-regression as forensics - yet it's my experience that the subsconsious mind does not "operate" in terms of such details, so I think most of this is bleed over from the conscious mind's dreamstate - where our fantasies, desires and blocks play out. So when one describes a "past life" experience - it's a way within the psyche to detach from one's reality and project the issue onto another "life". In other words, a block - which is easier to talk about. I really feel that is what most of this is.

And also the phenomena of someone that is interested and studies past-lives or near death experiences, and reads up about it - well then those experiences of others are bouncing around in one's psyche and then naturally come up in one's own experience. I firmly believe much of this goes on.

If you are looking for something a bit more science based, try Dr. Ian Stevenson, although many feel his approach is a mix of science and mystics.

I think the most interesting people to study and review are young children, they seem to have the recall without the excess "baggage" in the psyche - yet I'm not totally convinced this is fool proof - as a childs mind cannot differentiate between fantasy/reality at times.

An interesting topic - discernment is the key. Otherwise we end up just accepting such things at face value based on a "credible" reporter - who deems the reporter as credible when the reporter is just expressing their beliefs?

Let me add that "Dr.", "MD" or "Phd" or "many books sold" doesn't = truth. It's there to build credibility to sell books.

[kriya]

http://www.williamjames.com/transcripts/moody1.jpg

This is more about life after death but nonetheless an excellent book.

Also,

http://theshootingstar.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/manylivesmanymasters.jpg

an excellent book and well worth a read.

Love,

Kriya

[Harper]

Our only real truths are experiential and you can listen the live long day to someone's else's truths and it won't may you or anyone understand what they mean. Don't worry about it, your truths are yours, it doesn't matter that you don't have the 'feeling' you lived before, jesus you could be able to fly, how do I know.

You are prefectly correct though, i cannot tell how many reincarnated cleopatra's there are out there, and how everyone was someone very important, never a farmer or anything of the sort.

[Gnosis5]

...or are these just theories?

I'm wondering why so many speak of these in their comments as if they are some known facts. People are using them in their arguments, summaries and advice...but I haven't seen any proof to re-incarnation or past lives...just opinionated beliefs.
thanks in advance...

Peace

I just came out of a session wherein I was processing a potentially traumatic incident that occurred when I was being someone else in some other place and in some other time reference. I Won't argue with anyone about what time is or is not. I can only say from my own experience that past or "other" lives/identities are connected with stored negative energies or energy ridges so when I am processing out the negative energies and collapsing the energy ridges the "timed" events also flick by me. Pictures attached to energy ridges.

Whether the pictures are real or not is incidental to the actual measured energy mass that is dissipating from my space and my awareness as a spiritual being is expanding.

However, the history lesson I am getting gives me the feeling that if I ever return to my simple native state I will not be as naive as I was before, AND I will make better "movies" than I did before :-) :original:

[Christo888]

So in other words, this means anyone can go around saying they were Abraham Lincoln, Martian Luther King JR, FDR, JFK, etc…
Forgive my suspicions but the whole thing just sounds suspect to me. Especially, when those claiming to have been some great leader or figure head, but in this life they do nothing in comparison.

I sometimes feel like I was here before too, but can I actually prove it? I’m not sure.
I’m wondering how others come to these realizations with little to no logical proof. Do you know how many people claim they are the re-incarnation of Jesus?

The real reason I asked is to get answers, or the lack of an answer from certain people. This will further help me and a few of my partners in discerning a few issues. IMO, this board has become saturated with unproven beliefs and the spreading of nonfactual information can hinder our progress…as well as yours.

Thanks tron and sjkted, I’ll continue to look into this…


Peace

You know what you bring up an awesome point, Dr. Weiss says that none of his patients ever proclaimed to be a famous person. Which out of his 8000+ patients you would think several would have been a famous person. My inkling, based on Dr. Weiss' comments, which certain areas are off-limits to public because of Dr/patient privacy (yes that can also be used for an excuse), is that remembering you were famous may upset the apple cart in this life if you were to really remember. Think about how many people today are proclaiming to be a past famous person and actually may have some parallels, but it ruins their current life because they live under the shadow of what or who the famous person was in the past. In my opinion when this is the case virtually every word out of their mouth is slanted, or tainted, it just reflects the energy or vibration of the past and not pure adventure of the new.

A friend of mine in Florida claims to be of the Isis or Mary energy field but after several years of getting to know her she has many conflicts within her that say otherwise and she is always 'the connection' to the spirit world for everybody.

And several times she has had bouts of paranoia as if grays and reptilians are tractor beaming her and she has to fight back or block them from entering her 'mind'... you see where this is going.:lol3:

Anyway, perhaps try the past life regression session and see what memory's match with your current life. Maybe you were someone famous but it may not come up.

[Shaynard]

This draws my mind to a scene in the film "contact".

Matthew's character is asking Jodie's character if she believes in God. She says "No, because there is no proof/Can't prove it".. He asks: "Did you love your Dad?". She, of course, answers "yes".. So he asks her to.. "Prove it."

I had a cake made for my 10th Birthday which had Freddy Kruger's hand/glove on it. No pictures were taken though, so I can't prove that.

In conversation with my wife, she said she loves me. No one was around to hear it however, so maybe it didn't actually happen.

How do I run an experiment to prove I had that cake on my 10th birthday or that my wife loves me?

What would it take to prove reincarnation? memory of the event is clearly not enough.. What if someone born within the same hour in the same hospital remembered as you remembered, being reincarnated at the same time? Is that proof? Do we need scientific data? Some sort of repeatable test or experiment? Does our consciousness effect that experiment if we conduct it? Can we prove it does? Can we prove it does not?

So.. My answer: There is no proof. Yet if there is no proof of reincarnation, there is also no proof of many things. One of life's great mysteries. I would love to see some "proof", until then I will have to rely on my own memory.

Even if you were Jesus in a past life.. it doesn't matter now. What matters, now, is what you do, now.

in light, of love
Shaynard

[Swanny]

No proof here but there is no doubt in my mind that re-incarnation is very real.
I think I have spent many lives as a warrior :boxed: Not sure why but that's how I feel.
Last time round I was married to Mary :thumb_yello: and I'm pretty sure I was killed by a German in WW2 :thumbdown:

:naughty:

[Gnosis5]

Our only real truths are experiential and you can listen the live long day to someone's else's truths and it won't may you or anyone understand what they mean. Don't worry about it, your truths are yours, it doesn't matter that you don't have the 'feeling' you lived before, jesus you could be able to fly, how do I know.

You are prefectly correct though, i cannot tell how many reincarnated cleopatra's there are out there, and how everyone was someone very important, never a farmer or anything of the sort.


Oh, yes, you are so right. We cannot forever vicariously feed off someone else's picture story. Everyone as far as I know has the ability, perhaps with some assistance, to go and check it out for themselves, within themselves. I certainly do not recommend that everyone do this however. When you have experienced all that you wish to experience under the cover of forgetfulness then you can begin the recall process. According to the Matrix V instructions one reaches an awareness of all of their existences, which would probably be half an eternity at least. I've stopped counting in terms of time constructs.

I think now I have run through at least a hundred lifetimes and only in one lifetime was I ever someone who you can still read about in the Encyclopedia Britannica, and that was the elder sister of Felix Mendelssohn. That's my brag, LOL!

Very large beings can put out multiple aspects of themselves. Did you know that Cleopatra was the Queen of De-Nile, :mfr_lol:

[xbusymom]

Here's a thought...

since WE are all individual expressions/ facets of the ONE Source, any past lives of "you-in-a-different-body" is simply a connecting to the same vibrational "issue/lesson" of other people/other times...


(just a different perspective) :mfr_omg: :mfr_omg:

[Gnosis5]

No proof here but there is no doubt in my mind that re-incarnation is very real.
I think I have spent many lives as a warrior :boxed: Not sure why but that's how I feel.
Last time round I was married to Mary :thumb_yello: and I'm pretty sure I was killed by a German in WW2 :thumbdown:

:naughty:

My Hubby was on the German side in WW2 (reluctantly) and he was killed by an American. That was actually a happy moment for him :-) He hated Hitler and the war.

[Swanny]

I hope he didn't kill me as I left Mary behind :sad:

:original:

[Gnosis5]

Traipsing up a hill once in search of hazelnuts, I think, I shocked the pants off my family by, asking why we kept coming back over and over again to do the same things? They responded, what picking hazelnuts? No, I said living. I was 5 years old. I followed it by asking why all the spaceships go up in space, some of them should definaltely go down...........hehehehe

They have been looking at me funny ever since. I need no proof, however its a perfectly valid question.

take it easy


Yeah, my parents were so amazed at something I was trying to show them when I was a crawling infant that they took a picture of me pointing at Eugene McCarthy and jabbering at them. They actually got out the Kodak and took a picture. I saw the picture once and am hoping I will find it again in the pile of photos stacked in my basement.

So often when people say "proof" they are being strictly left-brained, like it is some sort of god. "Proof" comes from using both sides of the brain, which is a fleshly archetype of the mind and the being who runs the whole show.

[MyShadow]

Here is an interesting case study I saw a few years ago of childrens recall that you may find interesting.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoSrzpLoODo&feature=related Part 1

www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnYmrBPDKUw&feature=related Part 2

As you watch this, look at the dynamic's of the children in the context of their family relationships. Are they being rewarded, being made to feel special, do they enjoy the attention?

What clues do you see in the parent's that might explain some of this? - since as children they pickup much from the parents.

How much of what they say is general that fits into what actually happened? (common linkage to fortune telling techniques - it's the sitter that makes the connections in their mind/beliefs, not the one telling the story)

Try to see past the dramatic music, it's there to enhance the viewers connection to the story.

[Shaynard]

since WE are all individual expressions/ facets of the ONE Source, any past lives of "you-in-a-different-body" is simply a connecting to the same vibrational "issue/lesson" of other people/other times...


(just a different perspective)


I agree, and point to this idea as "why?" so many feel they were the same people in past lives. :)


in light, of love
Shaynard

[Frank Samuel]

Your soul is infinite, maybe at this moment in time you cannot remember and that's okay. The only one that can answer that question is your soul so instead of asking everyone you should ask yourself. Because I myself did not believe it either until the aha moment came where I could see how my soul has been around for eons. So is okay don't rush it until you are ready to discover your real identity. There's many layers to peel just like an onion.
One thing I can guarantee when that moment comes your world will never be the same. I can tell you that before my wife was pregnant with our last child I had many conversations with my daughter , this lead me to believe that we even choose our parents before conception . Even if your physical brain cannot understand because is trapped within the 3 dimensional reality you spiritual mind will connect to your heart and lead the way to a land beyond this physical illusion.

Blessings to you and yours...

[Gnosis5]

Here's a thought...

since WE are all individual expressions/ facets of the ONE Source, any past lives of "you-in-a-different-body" is simply a connecting to the same vibrational "issue/lesson" of other people/other times...


(just a different perspective) :mfr_omg: :mfr_omg:

That is starting to have a ring of truth to it from what I am seeing. I have not yet returned to my first separation from static or source, but what you are saying seems to jive with what I have heard others who have been before me are saying.

[Gnosis5]

http://www.williamjames.com/transcripts/moody1.jpg

This is more about life after death but nonetheless an excellent book.

Also,

http://theshootingstar.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/manylivesmanymasters.jpg

an excellent book and well worth a read.

Love,

Kriya

I would take the "Tibetan Book of the Dead" with me to my deathbed rather than Moody's work. A lot of implanting goes on in the between lives area.

[kriya]

IMO, life would be very unfair if we only had one crack at it. :lol3:

I have always been a nobody:mfr_lol:

Love,

Kriya

[kriya]

I would take the "Tibetan Book of the Dead" with me to my deathbed rather than Moody's work. A lot of implanting goes on in the between lives area.

I haven't read the Tibetian book of the Dead, but I'm sure I'd like it. I read "life after life" when I was 15 and it opened my mind to spirituality and the mysteries. I don't know much about implanting I'm afraid, but it sounds terrible.

Love,

Kriya

[Christo888]

Here's a thought...

since WE are all individual expressions/ facets of the ONE Source, any past lives of "you-in-a-different-body" is simply a connecting to the same vibrational "issue/lesson" of other people/other times...


(just a different perspective) :mfr_omg: :mfr_omg:

Ya know, maybe that is just how simple it is. Perhaps each lifetime is just living out an existence on a different 'radio station', frequency or Genre. Look at Astrology for comparison, each person has the traits of that sign, in 'a' house, and factoring in the other planet/aspects that then combine with several other factors to allow for experience and freewill choice that will 'cause' an 'effect' within the parameters of that frequency or 'Genre.'

Your soul is infinite, maybe at this moment in time you cannot remember and that's okay. The only one that can answer that question is your soul so instead of asking everyone you should ask yourself. Because I myself did not believe it either until the aha moment came where I could see how my soul has been around for eons. So is okay don't rush it until you are ready to discover your real identity. There's many layers to peel just like an onion.
One thing I can guarantee when that moment comes your world will never be the same. I can tell you that before my wife was pregnant with our last child I had many conversations with my daughter , this lead me to believe that we even choose our parents before conception . Even if your physical brain cannot understand because is trapped within the 3 dimensional reality you spiritual mind will connect to your heart and lead the way to a land beyond this physical illusion.

Blessings to you and yours...

Maybe were not so trapped afterall. We just think we are because of belief systems teaching us that the physical world is a lessor world or prison. What if the opposite is true... to be in a physical body is the ultimate achievement. And being able to experience third dimension is a luxury and a privilege. We just have to learn how to be 'permeable.' :thumb_yello:

[kriya]

Maybe were not so trapped afterall. We just think we are because of belief systems teaching us that the physical world is a lessor world or prison. What if the opposite is true... to be in a physical body is the ultimate achievement. And being able to experience third dimension is a luxury and a privilege. We just have to learn how to be 'permeable.' :thumb_yello:

I quite agree!! It is an honour, because we get the opportunity to work on ourselves and evolve spiritually.

Love,

Kriya

[HORIZONS]

I think about the sun and all the individual beams of light. There is only one source but so many expressions of the one source. That source scatters its individual expressions in all varying directions, in all timelines, yet it is the same source. Could all manifested life be so simple?

[Christo888]

I quite agree!! It is an honour, because we get the opportunity to work on ourselves and evolve spiritually.

Love,

Kriya

Yes this is true... but for thoughts sake I want to bump the perception up a bit. We only have to unlearn what we have been implanted with and we have to heal the body from the poisons that are offered as food.

If the original intention behind being born into a physical body was to experience what solidified Sunlight is (the point of the 'Garden of Eden) then we would know how to interact with it on many levels with ALL gifts being used within the physical world.

Instead we talk about what could have been or what should become of Earth that we now have to spend time on correcting tptb who screwed it up. So obviously the Earth was fine before man got here and someone stole the purpose of being here long ago. Earth is a living garden and provides a 'grounding' mechanism for Sunlight to be turned into solid objects that WE can interact with. :thumb_yello:

[dddanieljjjamesss]

I can never deal with the specifics as far as my own experiences are concerned. It's always a feeling to me, never a very clear visual or audial or any kind of "tangible" lucid experience. I "feel" as though I was "born" with certain aspects of my person that, since my childhood, I have never been able to understand how they could come from my particular surroundings in "this life." I've always had an analytical, questioning mind and I like to think I have the "nature vs. nuture" part of my life figured out. Certain aspects of my nature just don't attach themselves to anything in my past I can think of, certainly they're not parts of my mind that can be psychologically attributed to growing up in my generation, in my town, with my reactions to family friends and my entire life. I came into the world with some issues, and whether it was a past "life" or not, however you want to define these kind of things, it gives me reason to draw certain conclusions about who I might have been. Add a little bit of lucid dreaming, meditation, and psychotropic drugs, and I've had a few weird experiences. During one acid trip I felt as though I entered a transitive period in time, and my friends and I were living an archetype of the "town fools" in greco-roman times, and from some other time period I couldn't be certain of, as well as the present time. We weren't wearing tinfoil hats but we were a spectacle walking down the street in rain ponchos, tripped out and staring at the sky. :naughty:

So I guess thats why I believe it, at the very least.

[greybeard]

http://booksiloved.com/19/Many_Lives_Many_Masters.html
Notice the book has been mentioned allready.
Its a good one
Chris

[Stardustaquarion]

For what is worth I have memories of many past lives, worlds that are not similar to this one, waterworlds, lives in Sirius B and beyond this universe, traveling in plasma ships, visiting other worlds

I often get movies in my mind that are so vivid almost tangible, perhaps one day I will write about them

It gives me hope to know that there are other places where life is loving, soft and co-creative

Love to all
PS I actualy think all lives are happening at the same time :)

[RedeZra]

...but I haven't seen any proof to re-incarnation or past lives...just opinionated beliefs.



what is the alternatives


we dont know much so we believe alot

what we believe are important

because we become what we believe


how would we in the world look like

if the common belief is

we only live once


it's a recipe for chaos



on that note alone we should not harbor such thoughts


the ones who believe in either heaven or hell after this one earth life

do not have to bother with any belief in reincarnation

there is no spiritual boons in believeing it


but another point is all the child prodigies

and the tales from people with past life flashes


at last we have the teachings of spiritual scriptures


so the evidence for reincarnation is pretty solid

if one wants to make a case against it

the burden of proof is on you lol

[Harper]

I'm nobody! Who are you?
Are you nobody, too?
Then there's a pair of us - don't tell!
They'd banish us, you know!


How dreary to be somebody!
How public like a frog
To tell one's name the livelong day
To an admiring bog!

--- emily dickenson certainly had a glimps into somewhere else:original:

The live long day I just noticed from a previous post today was a little subconscious honour my the lady poet. Sorry whenever I write a poem it tends to kill the post, dont understand? But I will enliven these wonderful outlooks if I am the culprit

[Frank Samuel]

Reincarnation for me from my past lives just tells me I committed many, many, many mistakes specially prejudging others. I could never consider myself special for I know all of us are equal even alien beings. One aspect of reincarnation that humble me was realizing that not all our lives are full of love but quite the opposite, so this perhaps is one reason why sometimes we cannot recollect our previous lives you simply block it. Living in the now is important because the here and now is what matters most to be responsible for our own actions and to create a better world around us. So yes I agree if you sized the moment while you have a physical body you can advance spiritually at a much faster rate than if you did not. I have a lot to learn and each day I make an effort to do just that a million years can go by and I think I would still feel like I am still learning for it is an infinite task without end. :original::thumb_yello::wub2::wub2:

[Moxie]

xbusymom wrote: "since WE are all individual expressions/ facets of the ONE Source, any past lives of "you-in-a-different-body" is simply a connecting to the same vibrational "issue/lesson" of other people/other times..."

We both must be brilliant as this has occurred to me as well!
That, and, thoughts that come into your awareness, I'm sure that many are not my own, know what I mean? Man, there are some really "sick" thoughts that infiltrate my awareness.<<< excuse me, but please leave, thank you very much!

I've OFTEN for many years, wondered where thoughts come from.... consciousness being all that is makes we Wonder! Come to think, others may be infiltrating!!!

And here in Avalon, many are simply sharing their experiences... we know we cannot prove that we love you anymore than more fetching claims.

[HORIZONS]

For what is worth I have memories of many past lives, worlds that are not similar to this one, waterworlds, lives in Sirius B and beyond this universe, traveling in plasma ships, visiting other worlds

I often get movies in my mind that are so vivid almost tangible, perhaps one day I will write about them

It gives me hope to know that there are other places where life is loving, soft and co-creative

Love to all
PS I actualy think all lives are happening at the same time :)

How about all lives are happening at the same no-time :naughty:
You would like M5

[Majorion]

What I find interesting about the whole reincarnation theory, well when I'm thinking in half-scientific half-spiritual sort of way about it, is how would reincarnation occur? why is it that reincarnation supposedly would lead back to Earth again in a new human body? obviously with a Universe this big (only a percentage that we can see in our visible spectrum), and if we, as spirits/souls/essence could actually reincarnate, then why not in a different part of the Universe as a completely different lifeform? or ascend to a higher state of consciouness, or a higher dimensional existence? - then there is the 'choice' theory, where we get to 'choose' if we want to come back to Earth or go somewhere else.

Ive always accepted the belief that we are here essentially to spiritually evolve and that there is an afterlife of some sort, but more than that I think would be speculation. NDE accounts probably give you the best chance of understanding what an afterlife might be like.

[HORIZONS]

What I find interesting about the whole reincarnation theory, well when I'm thinking in half-scientific half-spiritual sort of way about it, is how would reincarnation occur? why is it that reincarnation supposedly would lead back to Earth again in a new human body? obviously with a Universe this big (only a percentage that we can see in our visible spectrum), and if we, as spirits/souls/essence could actually reincarnate, then why not in a different part of the Universe as a completely different lifeform? or ascend to a higher state of consciouness, or a higher dimensional existence? - then there is the 'choice' theory, where we get to 'choose' if we want to come back to Earth or go somewhere else.

Ive always accepted the belief that we are here essentially to spiritually evolve and that there is an afterlife of some sort, but more than that I think would be speculation. NDE accounts probably give you the best chance of understanding what an afterlife might be like.

Robert Monroe's trilogy will add a new possible perspective to your question if you are interested. One thing he saw is that we become addicted to the human experience, and we have to learn to break our addiction.

[xbusymom]

How about all lives are happening at the same no-time :naughty:


wouldn't that be like the all-inclusive NOW with the multiple "radio station frequencies"? :tongue2:

EDIT: (ok, never mind, nobody laughs at my funnies anymore- maybe i ought to quit trying- haha)

[fitzy3400]

the point of not remembering is to experience who you are. you can't do that remembering other lifetimes.

[xbusymom]

We both must be brilliant as this has occurred to me as well!
That, and, thoughts that come into your awareness, I'm sure that many are not my own, know what I mean? Man, there are some really "sick" thoughts that infiltrate my awareness.<<< excuse me, but please leave, thank you very much!

I've OFTEN for many years, wondered where thoughts come from.... consciousness being all that is makes we Wonder! Come to think, others may be infiltrating!!!



I am not sure what you mean in your post, but it would be very interesting to take a look at our original sources of information (* and how we came to believe -and now tout what we have absorbed as “MY TRUTH”), as well as look at what was lacking in our “family libraries” and we were not exposed to (regarding to what other families felt was the norm).

(*did that make sense? I think I am having half of a brain-fart by now*)

anyway...

I started reading- as a pre-teen – a couple of books by Dick (Richard) Sutphen [“past lives, future loves” and “you were born again to be together”], and followed along with my parents study group material (which happened to be “A Search for God” using the Edgar Cayce stuff collected by the Area for Research and Enlightenment (A.R.E.) foundation in Virginia Beach; as well as many of Richard Bach’s books- [Jonathan Livingston Seagull, One, Illusions, etc.]. In the early years of my first marriage, I was heavy into the entire collection of Robert Heinlein, and the teen books by Madeleine L’Engle [the “Wrinkle in Time” trilogy].

(*hmmm... I think I am starting to see a pattern here...*) Some of it made sense to me, and some of it I ended up rejecting... so maybe it is all just subliminal programming...? maybe it is a simple case of “whatever you want to experience, you can attract to you and manifest it so you can see where it goes???”

but then you would have to apply the circular logic of the original programming for that- right? (at least in my case because that is what I plugged into my head)
:mfr_omg:

[TraineeHuman]

If I have a sock, and I keep sewing patches onto it, one day none of the original material will be left. Tell me: is it or isn't it then still the same sock?

Hopefully, during our present lifetime we will undergo, or have undergone, so much change into something better that, like the sock, we're no longer the same person at all as we were in our childhood?

[HORIZONS]

wouldn't that be like the all-inclusive NOW with the multiple "radio station frequencies"? :tongue2:

EDIT: (ok, never mind, nobody laughs at my funnies anymore- maybe i ought to quit trying- haha)

How about this: You as your higher self exist on the 5th density—beyond corporal time—as a being of pure energy. You then send out/down multiple (thousands) of streams of energy into the 4th and 3rd densities as incarnate lifeformes to gather experiences and thereby expand your knowledge of being for the purpose of spiritual growth. These streams of energy can enter the timeline of 3D earth at whatever point you desire for the experiences you need/want to grow as a being. When you have finished your experiences you ascend out of the 5th and into another higher experience beyond your wildest dreams. You will then use the knowledge you garnered to create other worlds and who knows what all. :yikes:

[xbusymom]

If I have a sock, and I keep sewing patches onto it, one day none of the original material will be left. Tell me: is it or isn't it then still the same sock?

Hopefully, during our present lifetime we will undergo, or have undergone, so much change into something better that, like the sock, we're no longer the same person at all as we were in our childhood?

ok, to take that a step farther (accepting the premise of combining the "all-inclusive NOW" with the past lives "you-in-a-different-body" theories-)

my mother and I had a talk about this when I was in my teen's- she mentioned that all of your different radio-station "you's" gets helped to grow spiritually when even just 1 of your "you's" figures out a "truth" and grows- thereby affecting all of the radio stations frequencies to change...

EDIT: Horizons: I was writing this post while you were posting... and yes (but you said it much better than me)... hey, isn't that what David wilcock explained in his Awake/Aware seminar (holographic SOURCE images)?

(so if this is just my deluded early-childhood programming- how come everyone is thinking the same thing?)

[HORIZONS]

ok, to take that a step farther (accepting the premise of combining the "all-inclusive NOW" with the past lives "you-in-a-different-body" theories-)

my mother and I had a talk about this when I was in my teen's- she mentioned that all of your different radio-station "you's" gets helped to grow spiritually when even just 1 of your "you's" figures out a "truth" and grows- thereby affecting all of the radio stations frequencies to change...

Sounds logical to me.

[Majorion]

These streams of energy can enter the timeline of 3D earth at whatever point you desire for the experiences you need/want to grow as a being. When you have finished your experiences you ascend out of the 5th and into another higher experience beyond your wildest dreams.
Now that is an interesting theory :thumb_yello:

[HORIZONS]

Now that is an interesting theory :thumb_yello:

Interesting indeed! :naughty:

[Christo888]

Reincarnation for me from my past lives just tells me I committed many, many, many mistakes specially prejudging others. I could never consider myself special for I know all of us are equal even alien beings. One aspect of reincarnation that humble me was realizing that not all our lives are full of love but quite the opposite, so this perhaps is one reason why sometimes we cannot recollect our previous lives you simply block it. Living in the now is important because the here and now is what matters most to be responsible for our own actions and to create a better world around us. So yes I agree if you sized the moment while you have a physical body you can advance spiritually at a much faster rate than if you did not. I have a lot to learn and each day I make an effort to do just that a million years can go by and I think I would still feel like I am still learning for it is an infinite task without end. :original::thumb_yello::wub2::wub2:

Val Valerian explains this quite logically... each of our incarnations are presently living all at the same time on different worlds and in different density's. And each incarnation is 'corded' (silver cord) to our higher self and all of our experiences are collected by ourselves to our higher self. www.trufax.org

What I find interesting about the whole reincarnation theory, well when I'm thinking in half-scientific half-spiritual sort of way about it, is how would reincarnation occur? why is it that reincarnation supposedly would lead back to Earth again in a new human body? obviously with a Universe this big (only a percentage that we can see in our visible spectrum), and if we, as spirits/souls/essence could actually reincarnate, then why not in a different part of the Universe as a completely different lifeform? or ascend to a higher state of consciouness, or a higher dimensional existence? - then there is the 'choice' theory, where we get to 'choose' if we want to come back to Earth or go somewhere else.

Ive always accepted the belief that we are here essentially to spiritually evolve and that there is an afterlife of some sort, but more than that I think would be speculation. NDE accounts probably give you the best chance of understanding what an afterlife might be like.

So why can't we have 1000 individual incarnations all living at the same time in many different worlds and density's? Certainly our thousand tentacled Jellyfish 'Higher Self' would be drinking up the experiences of all 1000 incarnations while each incarnation is having an individual experience. But with little knowledge of the other 999 incarnations until such a time as the veil thins enough in order to 'see' our other lives, and or visit each of ourselves through dreams.

[Peace of mind]

Interesting comments…so there really isn’t any true universal proof, just personal experiences and books on other people’s personal ideas and experiences? Basically, it’s more of a belief thing. I can respect that. I’m intrigued with the child prodigy theory thou…

I have visions, and I also experience strong feelings of being here before…but can we honestly say we have or prove it? If these theories prove true, then the only reason I can think of reincarnating back into this world (In these conditions) is because I died fighting for this beautiful planet. Why else would I come back to a world filled with greed, selfishness, misery, egos, lies, etc...? Surely we had to know before coming back we will need some sought of mega weapons/super powers to fight against these forces of evil…

Some say we come back to learn, how do you know this is a program and you are here to learn certain lessons? Could these merely be ideas of inspirational novelist…selling you something?

Peace

[Christo888]

How about this: You as your higher self exist on the 5th density—beyond corporal time—as a being of pure energy. You then send out/down multiple (thousands) of streams of energy into the 4th and 3rd densities as incarnate lifeformes to gather experiences and thereby expand your knowledge of being for the purpose of spiritual growth. These streams of energy can enter the timeline of 3D earth at whatever point you desire for the experiences you need/want to grow as a being. When you have finished your experiences you ascend out of the 5th and into another higher experience beyond your wildest dreams. You will then use the knowledge you garnered to create other worlds and who knows what all. :yikes:

:thumb_yello:

Ooooops...
What you said... did not mean to step on your post... hadn't read far enough yet. :original:

[HORIZONS]

:thumb_yello:

Ooooops...
What you said... did not mean to step on your post... hadn't read far enough yet. :original:

No problemo - just an experience :lol3:

[Christo888]

Interesting comments…so there really isn’t any true universal proof, just personal experiences and books on other people’s personal ideas and experiences? Basically, it’s more of a belief thing. I can respect that. I’m intrigued with the child prodigy theory thou…

I have visions, and I also experience strong feelings of being here before…but can we honestly say we have or prove it? If these theories prove true, then the only reason I can think of reincarnating back into this world (In these conditions) is because I died fighting for this beautiful planet. Why else would I come back to a world filled with greed, selfishness, misery, egos, lies, etc...? Surely we had to know before coming back we will need some sought of mega weapons/super powers to fight against these forces of evil…

Some say we come back to learn, how do you know this is a program and you are here to learn certain lessons? Could these merely be ideas of inspirational novelist…selling you something?

Peace

Very good point, and I often wonder myself why so many people keep saying we are here to learn... Why can't I be here to experience... sure that may be considered learning but having an adventure is much more appealing to me than to be stuck in a classroom... no thanks, i'm on an adventure to explore and power up potential of everything there is to power up!!!!

And there may not be any proof of any reincarnation, perhaps no evidence whatsoever, but there is the understanding of either 'participate in potential' or be left behind through 'passive permission' to be ruled over or told what to do... each a choice.

[Moxie]

I've experienced lucid dreams, OOBEs, reptilian contact, incubus/succubus (can't remember which gender is which, lol)... ecstatic dreams, otherwordly images/colors/music, UFOs, direct thought reading w/visuals, song "downloads" lyric & melody, etc etc...

I take them ALL w/ a grain of salt... it tells me Nothing really other than not to have Any beliefs which are static and not dynamic! .. except that the mind is a "terrible" thing! (smirks)

[xbusymom]

Some say we come back to learn, how do you know this is a program and you are here to learn certain lessons? Could these merely be ideas of inspirational novelist…selling you something?


when I did my past-life-question to myself, i came up with 4 different "incarnations" that dealt with the very same thing I was dealing with in the present life (and curiously each major co-star was my husband in some form- which is what I specifically asked about). what I was shown was that I had a tendency to ignore my wants/needs in order to be 'responsible for' or "to take care of" someone else- and they were divided into the extremes of the range (total selfishness vs total sacrifice) which helped me to see that I needed to strike a balanced understanding of what "responsible" ("to care for") really means...

and since my first husband and I have parted ways, I have been "seeing" other types of relationships in my life (with the same theme/ lesson that I am working on) show up in the following years... but I never would have grown in that issue if I had not been aware of the "lesson"...

make sense?

[cloud9]

Well, for everybody here who is interested, I just saw there's a new interview coming with Dolores Cannon who is one of my favorites authors. She's been working with past life regression for more than 30 years and her books are amazing.
Now, for the last 20 years or so she found that the experiences her clients were having were not just about past lives here in earth but an amazing variety of experiences in different planets and dimensions, different shapes and energies, any imaginable "life" is out there and these people are living here and now between us, we are they because at the end of the day, no one of them new they had those experiences until they had the regression session so it's very possible any of us has had amazing lives too.
Now, another point to consider it's that it's not just "past lives" as time doesn't exist, all those lives are existing at the same time and the explanation is that the Higher Self splinters in many forms to experience all kind of lessons in a variety of bodies, planets, dimensions and time (including future as we understand) all existing simultaneously. It's our concept of time which makes us think of "past" and "future" which all of us know it's not really so.All of us are multidimensional beings, all of us are experiencing being extraterrestrial in other planes, we are and have been pure light and we all come from the source.
There's no proof or validation, just an open mind can see the infinity of it all.
Regarding Mrs. Cannon, I took her class last November in California and at the end of the 3 days she performed a regression; I can only say it was really amazing. When you witness something like that you can only wonder...
Cloud

[RedeZra]

Some say we come back to learn, how do you know this is a program and you are here to learn certain lessons? Could these merely be ideas of inspirational novelist…selling you something?



the exit and enter Earth is not entirely up to us


we do not decide the time to go

why would we pick the place to come


this is a cooperation between God Ourselves and Karma


why are we here


to Bloom into Pure Perfection


so There is a Standard



God I love my Beliefs lol

[fastarr]

Faith relieves the burden of proof. Education can support a strong foundation of Faith. Do your research and go where your heart may lead you. Would it change your life much if were proven to be true; beyond a shadow of a doubt?

[hollylindin]

What I find interesting about the whole reincarnation theory, well when I'm thinking in half-scientific half-spiritual sort of way about it, is how would reincarnation occur? why is it that reincarnation supposedly would lead back to Earth again in a new human body? obviously with a Universe this big (only a percentage that we can see in our visible spectrum), and if we, as spirits/souls/essence could actually reincarnate, then why not in a different part of the Universe as a completely different lifeform? or ascend to a higher state of consciouness, or a higher dimensional existence? - then there is the 'choice' theory, where we get to 'choose' if we want to come back to Earth or go somewhere else.

I've heard somewhere (can't remember where, unfortunately - throughout some journeying through articles and blogs, I'm sure! :)) that the E.T.'s who died here on Earth during Roswell reincarnated back into OUR planet's life cycle because they were within the energetic "confines", so to speak, of Terra. This may not be actuality, but it's a great theory that could be the possible answer to your question.

<3

[Peace of mind]

If one wants to believe they came here for school, I’m fine with that. I think it makes a lot of sense. Actually, my parents used to tell me the same stuff. I was just wondering if this all could be just another elaborate mis-understood idea…like certain other religious books/scriptures. If all we really have is just faith, then there may be cause for concern; we have been tricked many times…just look at the world.

My spidey senses tingle most of the time when people start talking about life after death, as you know…the dead tells no tale. So if you can exercise a bit of tolerance towards my skepticism, then vibrant the enlightenment will be…for there’s a lot of darkness in this world. Wise be the wicked, so the righteous must see with the heart…


@ Busymom- thanks, that post touched me in away that only I can understand…so yes, I know the feeling.

Peace

[TraineeHuman]

The request to “prove that reincarnation is a fact” involves some very “big picture” questions. For instance, do you really know what “you” are, in the fullest sense (and how there’s a whole universe inside of you)? Do you know and understand in great depth what time (the eternal now) really is? Do you fully understand how and why we have the illusion of “time flowing”? (If the answer is yes to all the above, have you collected your Nobel prizes yet?)

Indeed, why does reincarnation need to be a fact, rather than the simplest available explanation, the best hypothesis?

Maybe you don’t like the idea of reincarnation because you’ve had a Christian upbringing. In that case, are you aware that reincarnation was a mainstream dogma of Christianity until the Roman emperor at the time called the Council of Constantinople in 550 AD? Following that council, 49 verses that mentioned reincarnation were removed from the gospels. (Do you, perhaps, have any notion of the possible reasons why?) But there are still some verses left in the gospel of Luke, where the disciples ask Jesus if he “was” Elijah, and Jesus says no, he “was” somebody else.

[TraineeHuman]

One of the problems in understanding time is overcoming a certain misconception. This is the belief that the present is caused by the past, and that the future is caused by the present. This is simply not true. Worse still, the concept of causality isn’t, ultimately, a valid concept. That the whole idea of “cause and effect” is, strictly, a fallacy and nonsensical was well-known in ancient Asian thought since thousands of years ago. In Western thought, it was proved to be so by the philosopher David Hume in the eighteenth century, and then in a different way by the philosopher Immanuel Kant in the nineteenth century.

Let me present a version of most of Hume’s proof. I have “borrowed” this from the writings of the late Allan Watts. Suppose I’m sitting in front of a picket fence which is missing one post, and hence has a vertical gap. I see the head of a snake pass across the gap, then I see the middle of the snake, then what is clearly its tail. Day after day I see the same things, in the same order. I deduce that the snake’s head must be the cause of the snake’s middle, and the middle must be the cause of its tail.

But that’s wrong, you’ll object. Well, of course, this is all a metaphor for what we do whenever we assert that causality – cause and effect – is at work. We see X (such as the snake’s head) and we notice that it is always followed by Y (the snake’s middle). We claim to deduce that X always leads to Y. But no, the truth is that they’re interconnected, that’s all.

You’ll notice that a major area of physics – quantum physics – isn’t based on causality. Now you know why.

Also, notice that this proves that the concept of being a total victim is never valid. However much it appears that you may be the victim, the effect, of somebody or something else, the truth is, you are also partly the cause of it, and you can always, always cause effects of your own on the other person or thing.

[pedro m.b.]

good tread Peace of Mind :original:

some years ago i start reading some books on budist philosophy, for me it change the way i look at everything around me, reincarnation is one of the theorys that i found beliving. i don´t know if it´s true or not, i´m feel good with myself for turning to this path. make me enjoy in the best way my time here.
after some reading on this, i find interesting the experience that brian weiss shared with us.
we all going to know someday.

i enjoied this conversation with george noory and brian wiess on c2c.
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=uN54I8vpdww&feature=related

HORIZONS nice perspective on this :original:

light for all

[annemirri]

x

[Majorion]

So why can't we have 1000 individual incarnations all living at the same time in many different worlds and density's? Certainly our thousand tentacled Jellyfish 'Higher Self' would be drinking up the experiences of all 1000 incarnations while each incarnation is having an individual experience. But with little knowledge of the other 999 incarnations until such a time as the veil thins enough in order to 'see' our other lives, and or visit each of ourselves through dreams.
Hi Christo, it took me a bit to understand what you're saying, though I think that theory would have to involve multiple universes, sort of like that show Sliders. I'm not sure if you're suggesting that there would be 1000 "me's" in multiple timelines and dimensions, or if what you're saying is that there 1000 different lifeforms my essence is part of in this one physical 3D Universe?

I hope you didn't misunderstand my stance, I'm neither believing nor disbelieving reincarnation, just asking questions, thanks for your thoughts. :original:

[Majorion]

I've heard somewhere (can't remember where, unfortunately - throughout some journeying through articles and blogs, I'm sure! :)) that the E.T.'s who died here on Earth during Roswell reincarnated back into OUR planet's life cycle because they were within the energetic "confines", so to speak, of Terra. This may not be actuality, but it's a great theory that could be the possible answer to your question.
Hehe, well I'm gonna take a rain check on this one. :original:

Look, anything's possible okay, but I've heard so many Roswell theories it's just become ridiculous honestly.

I'll tell you something you probably won't agree with... though it is true that alternative sources (like blogs, articles, research sites, etc) are better sources of information than mainstream outlets, I also believe that much of the alternative stuff is nonsense as well, all of it is designed to appeal to sectors and particular demographics. We're all interested in UFOs, 2012, spirituality, etc. but don't believe most of what you read just because the author seems to be on your side. What I've discovered in most instances is that those people also have an agenda, in much the same way as MSM. It could simply be about making money, or it could also be a genuine effort to disinform. My sincerest advice to you (bit off topic I know), is when you think about Roswell or anything else, don't go looking for explanations from anyone else, review the case yourself and come to your own conclusions.

Peace

[HORIZONS]

Hehe, well I'm gonna take a rain check on this one. :original:

Look, anything's possible okay, but I've heard so many Roswell theories it's just become ridiculous honestly.

I'll tell you something you probably won't agree with... though it is true that alternative sources (like blogs, articles, research sites, etc) are better sources of information than mainstream outlets, I also believe that much of the alternative stuff is nonsense as well, all of it is designed to appeal to sectors and particular demographics. We're all interested in UFOs, 2012, spirituality, etc. but don't believe most of what you read just because the author seems to be on your side. What I've discovered in most instances is that those people also have an agenda, in much the same way as MSM. It could simply be about making money, or it could also be a genuine effort to disinform. My sincerest advice to you (bit off topic I know), is when you think about Roswell or anything else, don't go looking for explanations from anyone else, review the case yourself and come to your own conclusions.

Peace

Good advise! :thumb_yello:

[Gnosis5]

Hi Christo, it took me a bit to understand what you're saying, though I think that theory would have to involve multiple universes, sort of like that show Sliders. I'm not sure if you're suggesting that there would be 1000 "me's" in multiple timelines and dimensions, or if what you're saying is that there 1000 different lifeforms my essence is part of in this one physical 3D Universe?

I hope you didn't misunderstand my stance, I'm neither believing nor disbelieving reincarnation, just asking questions, thanks for your thoughts. :original:

Sounds a bit like "multi-tasking", something I used to do very well as the "Mother" :-)

[Gnosis5]

Good advise! :thumb_yello:

Have been reading snippets of "Matrix V", and most of it jives with what I'm seeing. I "Look", it brings more truth and personal awareness/expansion than does "Think". (Yes, I used to work for IBM, LOL).

[Swanny]

Christo888 I believe we do live all our lives at the same time.
We are living this life and the next one and the one before all at the same time.
I think you live your lives many many times over and flit backwards and forwards between them as you feel. Karma here doesn't effect the next life any more than it would effect the past life.
Time as we know it just confuses things :original:

[xbusymom]

TraineeHuman:
do you really know what “you” are, in the fullest sense (and how there’s a whole universe inside of you)? Do you know and understand in great depth what time (the eternal now) really is?

annemirri:
But, the silver cord.

RedeZra:
this is a cooperation between God Ourselves and Karma

Christo888:
So why can't we have 1000 individual incarnations all living at the same time in many different worlds and density's?

Gnosis5:
Sounds a bit like "multi-tasking"

Peace Of Mind:
I was just wondering if this all could be just another elaborate mis-understood idea…

TraineeHuman:
Indeed, why does reincarnation need to be a fact, rather than the simplest available explanation, the best hypothesis?

for what its worth- I didn’t really believe in reincarnation until I did my past-lives-question... so maybe this is just the best common-sense understanding that we have so far... considering that we have been deliberately dumbbed down and duped... maybe the real truth is so far “out-of-this-world” that we would not be able to understand it... so we have to SNEAK into the circus from backstage... you know- we have to see the tricks for what they are -before we can get down to the business of figuring out how to practice the mechanics of them

[JesterTerrestrial]

here is a website I found from a quote on David Wilcock's website Divine Cosmos regarding Davids Past incarnation on earth.

http://www.reincarnation2002.com/

In my own past life understanding and research I found this site to be very interesting. Peace JT!

[Mystique]

To me this is a very interesting thread. I was led toward an exploration after the death of someone very close to me. I remember after this person's death, I was going through the stages of grief and struggling with acceptance.

About 6 months later , ~12 times in one week, different people some strangers, some friends, made similar comments about choosing our life lessons to learn, reincarnation, higher self and several mentioned, "Many Lives, Many Masters by Brian Weiss. I decided to pick up this small book and read it.

From my religious training as a youngster, it was in opposition to what I had been taught. As a searcher, I badly needed closure, so I set out on an adventure to learn more about this topic.

What I learned was fascinating. The book by Brian Weiss, was my first adventure into this realm. I read many stories of past life experiences, interviewed people who shared their stories with me. I know there is skepticism on this, as it should be... but for me, it was a gut feeling of truth and understanding.

There have been studies conducted where people working with a good past life regression expert have have independent accounts of recognizing people from their present in their past lives. We have a tendency to have encounters with the same souls in past lives, be it a mother, father, son, daughter or best friend.

One of the people told me, "I knew it was Ben, he was my son in a certain life, but he is my father presently."

The first time I spoke with Dr. Weiss at a book signing, we spoke of all this and he verified the studies and said it has happened many times.

My friends and I talk about the people who end up fascinated all their lives by the sea and grew up in mid-Michigan never seeing the ocean or being around boats, but built square riggers and wanting to be a boat captain and sail. And this other little kid that grew up drawing Roman columns and the forum at age four, has never seen pictures or had any knowledge of what she draws.

I have an affinity for ancient Rome, Africa, Egypt, Polynesian tribal life and the Far East . My home is filled with things from these areas....they bring a comfort and make me feel at home, but out of those places, I've only visited Hawaii. But I have a deep soul feeling for these geographical areas. Proof no.... but I married a man with the same quirky art items and feels the same draw to these areas as me. By the way, he is the boat captain and I'm the column-forum drawing kid.

And how about that instantaneous feeling you get in the gut when you meet someone and feel like you've known them forever, and others after one encounter, you don't care to be around them ever again?

Bill Ryan said in one interview, he felt past lives are important just to find out what programs are still running and which things that need to be dealt with. (paraphrased from my pov)

Maybe I'll have more insight after my long awaited appointed with Dr. Weiss this week. We have been waiting to do this forever. My buddies and I, who feel like we have been through many life-times together, are going to be regressed as a group by him.

I know, we know, for the most part, you are not royalty, probably were doing something similar to what you do today, aren't always the "good guy", might not be proud pf some things, but as Bill said, it helps to know what programs are still running and hopefully help with the clearing process.

In Sincerity and Love, Mystique

[Gnosis5]

Yes, what programs are compulsively running, and, for myself and a few others I play with, the development from static or unpotentiated potential to my Prime Thought, my first polarity, my first manifestation, etc.

[hollylindin]

Hehe, well I'm gonna take a rain check on this one. :original:

Look, anything's possible okay, but I've heard so many Roswell theories it's just become ridiculous honestly.

I'll tell you something you probably won't agree with... though it is true that alternative sources (like blogs, articles, research sites, etc) are better sources of information than mainstream outlets, I also believe that much of the alternative stuff is nonsense as well, all of it is designed to appeal to sectors and particular demographics. We're all interested in UFOs, 2012, spirituality, etc. but don't believe most of what you read just because the author seems to be on your side. What I've discovered in most instances is that those people also have an agenda, in much the same way as MSM. It could simply be about making money, or it could also be a genuine effort to disinform. My sincerest advice to you (bit off topic I know), is when you think about Roswell or anything else, don't go looking for explanations from anyone else, review the case yourself and come to your own conclusions.

Peace

I didn't say I agreed with it (I definitely don't agree with everything I read; there's a lot of crap out there, and I discern that.); I said it's a "possible answer to your question". I was only using Roswell as an example. I'm on the fence about this tidbit, although it could make sense to me. Just providing another perspective that I haven't seen anyone suggest yet.

<3

[Gnosis5]

"PAST LIVES":

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000754665177&ref=pymk#!/pages/Past-Lives/92237812305

[Devakas]

Reincarnation described for us in Vedas, old scripts > 5000 years
http://www.kidspast.com/images/reincarnation.jpg

I do believe in old scripts :naughty:

[sjkted]

To some extent, I'm with you on this one. It's hard to substantiate these theories when the variables are virtually all intangible. Discernment is the key.

Dolores Cannon, Brain Weiss - use hypnotic-regression as forensics - yet it's my experience that the subsconsious mind does not "operate" in terms of such details, so I think most of this is bleed over from the conscious mind's dreamstate - where our fantasies, desires and blocks play out. So when one describes a "past life" experience - it's a way within the psyche to detach from one's reality and project the issue onto another "life". In other words, a block - which is easier to talk about. I really feel that is what most of this is.

And also the phenomena of someone that is interested and studies past-lives or near death experiences, and reads up about it - well then those experiences of others are bouncing around in one's psyche and then naturally come up in one's own experience. I firmly believe much of this goes on.

If you are looking for something a bit more science based, try Dr. Ian Stevenson, although many feel his approach is a mix of science and mystics.

I think the most interesting people to study and review are young children, they seem to have the recall without the excess "baggage" in the psyche - yet I'm not totally convinced this is fool proof - as a childs mind cannot differentiate between fantasy/reality at times.

An interesting topic - discernment is the key. Otherwise we end up just accepting such things at face value based on a "credible" reporter - who deems the reporter as credible when the reporter is just expressing their beliefs?

Let me add that "Dr.", "MD" or "Phd" or "many books sold" doesn't = truth. It's there to build credibility to sell books.

The part that is missing here is that each person has a unique signature to them from the way their energy is set up (astrological sign), personality, upbringing, body type, personal interests, unexplained skills, weaknesses and strengths. Most people don't really question these things: why is my upper body so strong, but I don't have much endurance? Why do I have a birth mark on my body? Why did I not get along with this relative? What is my purpose in this lifetime? Why am I living in the community I am in right now?

When you explore past lifetimes, you get access to the answers of all of these questions. The answers are very deep at times and provide an explanation to why you are the way you are way beyond anything else. You will also learn about lessons you failed to get in previous lifetimes and are repeating now. When you put all of them together along with the emotional reactions to receiving this information, it explains in depth who you are, where you came from, why you are the way you are, and where you are going. This is more than most people are capable of handling.

In addition, learning past life details especially relationship related often provides instant healing as you become conscious of what the original conflict was and how it relates to your present lifetime.

When you put all of this together, it becomes very hard to just write it off as some vision or psychological construct.

In addition, there are people who are born with knowledge of dead languages they could not possibly have known and historical facts and details they could not have known. Some people have even visited foreign countries where they have lived hundreds of years ago and explained exactly how the town was laid out and even found bona fide records of their past life.

I could go on and on, but the point is you really need to go through the experiences of reliving past life memories to understand all of this stuff. Until then, it's very easy to hypothesize one thing or another.

--sjkted

[Majorion]

I didn't say I agreed with it (I definitely don't agree with everything I read; there's a lot of crap out there, and I discern that.); I said it's a "possible answer to your question". I was only using Roswell as an example. I'm on the fence about this tidbit, although it could make sense to me. Just providing another perspective that I haven't seen anyone suggest yet.
I know, I really come off a jerk sometimes, I'm sorry.

But its the Roswell theories that always 'get to me' every time I hear a new one...lol.

The classic explanation is my favorite actually, you know the one where one or possibly two saucers crashed, witnesses saw the debris and the gray skinned bodies, military police intimidating others to stay away, Marcel showing the debris with the symbols on it to his son, the weather balloon cover up soon ensues, the craft(s) and bodies shipped off to an unknown military base, covert back engineering efforts, bits and pieces seeded into private industry. And that's where the story is just about done for me. :original:

The only person who came close to convincing me of any further details on Roswell is Sleeper (Lou Baldin). If you haven't read his material yet, I strongly suggest you do (http://www.scribd.com/doc/12111540/In-league-with-a-UFO). The most compelling story about reincarnation comes in, but still, be very questioning of the story as well. ;)

Cheers,

[Peace of mind]

Hmm…some good stuff in here…i'll continue to look into this issue, thanks guys.

Maybe I will meet someone from a past life one day, maybe not. I guess sense I’ve been around Hugh cities all my life and literally came into contact with thousands…I probably brushed off these ahhhh experiences as being nothing more than coincidences. In my case it might be hard to recall past lives because I don’t really dream, instead, I do recall having certain visions of wars and alien/angelic invasions (seemed so real). I can have some deep intense meditations but rarely recall a dream, or a moment of being here before. Maybe I wasn’t here before; perhaps it’s my first time.

In any case, it would be hard for me to know because I can’t really think of a reason or a lesson that is needed to be learned. For me, I believe nothing that can’t be proven logically. Perhaps this is my lesson, not to believe in the unproven, maybe I died following false teachings and came back for that lesson…or revenge. If details are sketchy, in any form of knowledge, all I can do is take it with a grain of salt. In my experiences, I do much better in life when dealing with facts, opinions and theories always have holes in them; it’s risky believing in the unknown. I hear and read of many accounts of people experiencing various things, its just a bit frustrating witnessing the lack of proof. My discernment has kept me well, and I’m sure it will continue to. I’m wired only to move forward on the path of truth not possibility.

If I don’t question everything, don’t do my best to assist others, don’t get involved physically in a physical world to make it better…I don’t see how I can be a loving individual or become spiritually evolved. Action speaks loader then words and is the materialization of the thought. Sure I can think of a way to move myself (home) out of chaotic surroundings. But, that’s just running away. I fear nothing, all I really want is for everyone to know they are being used, think for themselves, stop following others inconclusive ideas, and help to make the world better for all…not just talk about it.

I know how to get what I want, except its a bit difficult enjoying life when others around me can’t. This could be my lesson, but how? It’s also been said, if I’m seeing things I don’t like in other people then it’s a reflection of seeing something in my self I don’t like. That can be a bit confusing. For instance, if I’m on a crowded train and loud disrespectful people were making me feel uncomfortable…how’s that my fault, or a reflection of myself that I don’t like. I’m far from being loud and often told I’m a bit shy. If I literally see hundreds of different people daily and if some of them have an offensive smell, use vulgar language, litter the streets, beat up innocent pedestrians….how is this a reflection of seeing something in myself I don’t like? Could I be taking this info too literally, or misinterpreted it entirely?

Peace

[sjkted]

Hmm…some good stuff in here…i'll continue to look into this issue, thanks guys.

Maybe I will meet someone from a past life one day, maybe not.


In general, what I have found is that the major relationships in your life (i.e. spouse, parents, siblings, and best friends) are usually rooted in past relationships. I would find it very unlikely that you do not have other people in your life with whom you shared past life experiences.

The point of the matter is to resolve karma and to help each other. The reason family and major relationships are usually from past lifetimes is because it is easy to make the decision to resolve karma (not always pleasant and easy) with someone who was your mother, your son or your brother in a past life. In addition, families tend to have group karma patterns where each person is working on the same issues in their lifetime.

--sjkted

[MyShadow]

Most people don't really question these things: why is my upper body so strong, but I don't have much endurance? Why do I have a birth mark on my body? Why did I not get along with this relative? What is my purpose in this lifetime? Why am I living in the community I am in right now?

I think much of this comes from one's ancestry, biology and genetics. Your lineage is the momentum that sets up your basis for possible experiences, but I feel it's your subconscious drive which is pinging your conscious mind (working together) that in which one makes choices about how, what, where those experiences will come. I am not a believer that it's all preset or arranged in the stars or comes as a result of a "hangover" from past lives. That's just my opinion, I'm not challenging others/yours. Just offering another way of looking at it.

[sjkted]

I think much of this comes from one's ancestry, biology and genetics. Your lineage is the momentum that sets up your basis for possible experiences, but I feel it's your subconscious drive which is pinging your conscious mind (working together) that in which one makes choices about how, what, where those experiences will come. I am not a believer that it's all preset or arranged in the stars or comes as a result of a "hangover" from past lives. That's just my opinion, I'm not challenging others/yours. Just offering another way of looking at it.

Yes, this is also true. I don't in any way see this as an either/or scenario. The body is a perfect vehicle to manifest what you need to do in this lifetime. The soul chooses the parents and lineage and the genetic aspect is also interwoven with the karma.

Here's my understanding of how all of this works. I really think part of the failure here is that we (mainstream anything) doesn't have a working model for all of this, so it's easy to jump to conclusions and not fully understand.

From a 3D perspective, we have had past lifetimes because all that exists in 3D is the current body and current circumstances. Part of our socialization process when we are younger forces us to accept that 3D is all that exists. 3D is very limited because we are disconnected from the higher dimensions and don't really know ourselves or where we are from. From a 3D perspective people are forced to accept the inputs from "experts" -- be they doctors, scientists, PhDs, lawyers, etc. because we are disconnected from our higher dimensions. In other words, we don't "know" what is real, we simply take in information from people who have professionally researched what is real in 3D. We've all undergone the socialization process, so hardly anyone isn't overcome by the amnesia.

The real answer is that we exist in multiple dimensions at the same time, but our consciousness in 3D is disconnected from the higher dimensions. For example, when we sleep we go into 4D, but our consciousness does not integrate the experiences we have in 4D with our 3D experience.

If you go even higher, 5D and 6D eliminate the barriers of space and time. Einstein and some other ahead of their time thinkers have written about this, but nobody seems to grasp how it works in a practical sense.

Basically, as you get into 6D+, you exist in all of your past lifetimes, present lifetimes, and future lifetimes all in the same moment. It's all happening in the NOW. There is a part of you called the higher self, some call it the superconsciousness that is aware of and conscious of all of these existences and what is happening in reality. So, basically, there are infinite numbers of you existing in parallel Earth universes and also in past and future lifetimes all at the same time.

Space and time don't exist -- they are merely illusions. Everything is a vibratory structure and your mind processes vibrations and translates them into physicality and perceptions.

The higher self is as I understand what provides access to the past lives. It is also possible to query information on what is happening in future lifetimes. The point is that this is all much more complex and does have quite a bit of scientific footing than what you can just box into a 3D structure and proclaim that it does or doesn't exist.

--sjkted

[Peace of mind]

I strongly sense a higher self, I always believed I operated this body from a different plane, but it’s just my belief and I’m always cautious about passing it on to others, without proof. Explaining other realms is a slippery slope and not many have the correct balance (yet) to ski the course or in the least understand it. If time is a ticking then there is concern many will miss out on opportunities to evolve due to the constant bombardments of dis-info. It can be simple things to cause misunderstandings…just like I was brought up accepting higher consciousness as degrees as oppose to dimensions (I believe it’s the same). Gaining various perspectives is always good for obtaining clarity. Thanks guys for providing more to ponder on.

Peace

[Gnosis5]

Reincarnation described for us in Vedas, old scripts > 5000 years
http://www.kidspast.com/images/reincarnation.jpg

I do believe in old scripts :naughty:

Yes, and the Rig Vedas. I've also heard of something called "The Golden Scripts" kept somewhere in Tibet and Peru.

The technology I currently use is my total undoing/unwinding from this "divine" drug trip I put myself on and have been obsessively compulsively creating since at least my concept universe phase. Imagine standing at a point in pre-time, pre-creations and looking at the stream of everything that came from that point and realizing it was all one big drug trip.

[Devakas]

My hat off to you Gnosis! Sounds you have this bliss of knowing. The happiness all are seeking. Some drive to the left, some go different direction..
All are looking for happiness and iliusion says to them it is there...
There are books written for everyones level. I am glad you know yours.
It is said, 4 generations (grand, father, son and grandson) if would dedicate their lives to only study Vedas, it would not be enough time to learn all the wisdom put in those books.
Golden scripts? Very interesting... Isn't Vedas spread the world to babilon, Egipt, Peru, Tibet?
Thanks Gnosis!
:cup:

[HORIZONS]

Yes, and the Rig Vedas. I've also heard of something called "The Golden Scripts" kept somewhere in Tibet and Peru.

The technology I currently use is my total undoing/unwinding from this "divine" drug trip I put myself on and have been obsessively compulsively creating since at least my concept universe phase. Imagine standing at a point in pre-time, pre-creations and looking at the stream of everything that came from that point and realizing it was all one big drug trip.

... and "what a long strange trip its been." :naughty:

[HORIZONS]

Imagine standing at a point in pre-time, pre-creations and looking at the stream of everything that came from that point... trip.

I composed some music along that thought titled "Before the Beginning"
If interested: http://web.me.com/expanding_horizons/Expanding_Horizons/The_Music.html
:thumb_yello:

[AnkhPeace]

I think proof is an individual discovery. I have always gone against the grain of traditional views. From the bible to the codex gigas figurative thinking has rendered many to fearful to ask why not re-incarnation. I am certain I have been here before and look forward to the next level. How can you rationalize looking at a two hundred year old photo and feeling to your core you may have been there? The sights, sounds, smells and even the emotion of the event. Not all things can be attributed to an exceptional imagination.

[Peace of mind]

AnkhPeace, I hope you don't mind elaborating on this the next time I come to town. It's good to see a familiar who can confirm some of the stuff talked about on these boards.

I respect everyone’s stand and would never persuade one’s belief…as I wouldn’t want anyone to persuade mines without compelling evidence. My skeptism is due to a lack of experience in the matter so it is customary for cynics to question what is not proven. We live in a BS world because we don’t question or demand facts.

It was on this same site where I read something about Earth being a prison planet and the souls trapped here purposely had their memories erased and lifespan shortened to maintain control. The thread was in ufology, it had a PDF file of military documents (supposedly) of an interview with the nurse who took care of the alien that crashed in Roswell. Now mix that in with the various accounts of reincarnation spoken abroad….

These responses are not to just satisfy my curiosity but to demonstrate to others (lurkers) how people will believe anything that sounds good, even when there is not one slither of evidence. I may have experienced some similarities but I can easily chalk up those incidents to being our dormant special abilities attempting to go online. In a nutshell…some people just look and act like others who are living as well as deceased.

Peace

[xbusymom]

Mystique:
...I know, we know, for the most part, you are not royalty, probably were doing something similar to what you do today, aren't always the "good guy", might not be proud pf some things, but as Bill said, it helps to know what programs are still running and hopefully help with the clearing process...

sjkted:
... In general, what I have found is that the major relationships in your life (i.e. spouse, parents, siblings, and best friends) are usually rooted in past relationships. I would find it very unlikely that you do not have other people in your life with whom you shared past life experiences...
... In addition, learning past life details especially relationship related often provides instant healing as you become conscious of what the original conflict was and how it relates to your present lifetime...
...The higher self is as I understand what provides access to the past lives. It is also possible to query information on what is happening in future lifetimes. The point is that this is all much more complex and does have quite a bit of scientific footing than what you can just box into a 3D structure and proclaim that it does or doesn't exist...


I wish there was a way to combine this thread with the other one http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=20625 ...’cause it has so much cross-reference discussion to this one...


by xbusymom:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Carmen
After many years of spiritual study and learning/understanding I remembered a significant past life. It came in the form of revelation over about three days. It was a dreadful life of abuse, pain and neglect in a harem in ancient middle east somewhere. The characters in that life were right here in this life, my then husband and his sister and the children I now have.

What was useful about the whole revelation/memory was that it freed up my pelvis and lower back and I was finally free of pain. It was wonderful. I must have been ready to remember and finally forgive all the players from that life.


It would be interesting to find out what chalkra areas you are having trouble with; and how they correlate to the issues you are dealing with...

the same happened to me... when I finally found out about my past lives question/current life lesson- I realized it was with the pelvis chalkra too (not so much with the sexual issue, but as a lesson of how to un-restrict my creativity energies)

EDIT:

*WOW- there are so many different branches of spiritual knowledge wrapped up in this topic that I had forgotten about...