Fear Mongering. Get off it.

[greybeard]

Dear friends there is a fair amount of fear mongering on this forum.
Get off it.
Why?
A story.
One of my close friends was a Black Belt Karati Instructor, as fit as could be.
He took the advice to get various flu jabs over the years has had numerous health issues since, he was genuinely concerned about getting flu and after all he is over sixty and that age group is suposed to be more likley to die from flu. Is that so?
I doubt it.

Anyway positive thinking boosts the immune system.
All fear without exception reduces the natural ability to avoid illness.

The fight or flight syndrom produces an adrenalin high and then the crash,

Very successful athletes may get nervous but they dont have fear the moment they start performing. Their best performances ocur when they get in the "zone"

If you trace fear down to its ultimate cause, its a fear of death.
Remove the belief that you die and you remove all fear.
If you have the slightest faith that there is life after death then what is there to fear.
If the world ended to morow could you cease to exist? I think not.
So why worry?

Any good spiirtitual teacher looks years younger then their age.
Eckhart Tolle is in his 60s he looks 50. Dr David Hawkins in his 80s and full of life.

Books like "The Power of Now" by Eckhart and "Power versus Force" By Dr Hawkins will hellp to developpe a belief that there is life on going after death of the body.

Power is of the Divine, force is of the ego.
The ego produces and loves fear. Power being of the Divine promotes health and well being.

You have a choice choose wisely.

Im not saying put your head in the sand, dont be aware of what is happening in the world, no im saying be aware of the events of the world but dont get caught up in it.

Papers are sold on bad news,
There is so good news out there but rarely reported because it is so common place that it dosent sell newspapers.

Once we get off the bad news addiction then we might just see a better world.
We tend to attract what we think on.
Think positively then thats what we attract into our lives.
The opposite also applies.

Losers limp explains it well.
I watched on tv an Oxford Cambridge boat race a while back. At the end the winneres were full of life ecstatic. The losers exhausted slumped over the oars. There was only several foot between the winning result and second place (only two boats).
Thats the difference between believing you can win and doubting your ability.

Reporting fact is one thing, drawing all kinds of conclusions from it is different.
Two plus Two still = Four as far as I know.

You will always find evidence to support your point of view, just let go of a point of view and see what happens.

The ego will go to enormous lengths to prove itself right.
Who cares!!! Its a so what!!
Having a point of view is human and fine but dwelling on it and thinking it is the truth and the only possible point of view is unhealthy.

And thats just my opinion
Feel free to differ.

Chris

[taomation]

Agreed and well put.

Be greateful for all of your experience not just what you term as good, but everything. Every moment has a purpose...


Cheers.

[Oliver]

Chris, this is very true.
There are some intentional tricks here to draw our attention toward fear.
There is no other way to prevail them, than to focuss on our basic positive ideals.
Let us not allow to be involved into labyrinths without exit.

Love&Respect

[greybeard]

Thanks for comments.
The thread will probably not get get a lot of attention.
Being realistic, which is positive.
After all who thinks/realizes that they are fear mongering?
:mfr_lol:

Now If I stared a thread entitled. "Hear This I have proof we are Doomed"
Of course your going to die we all do.
But not yet I hope.

Only thing to be frightened of is fear.

Chris

[Stardustaquarion]

Thank you very useful, I may add that fear is just ignorance, if we learn and dispel the darkness of a subject we no longer fear

So the best way to overcome fear is by confronting what we fear, understanding which are our choices and what we can do about it

Love

[greybeard]

Thank you very useful, I may add that fear is just ignorance, if we learn and dispel the darkness of a subject we no longer fear

So the best way to overcome fear is by confronting what we fear, understanding which are our choices and what we can do about it

Love

Yes and no. Just one word confront.
That which is given energy tends to persist.
Confront implies force.
I spent years as a therapist helping people overcome transcend fears/phobias.
NLP was very helpful, Hypnotherapy too.
You cant force fear to go it will fight you with the same degree of energy you use to fight it off.
Sometimes outside support and help is necessary.
Dispel I agree with totally, evaporate it.
Understanding great too.
Visualizing what live will be like, lived full of confidence is helpful.
Assume a virtue and it yours.
Hope this is of help to some one.
Chris

[wynderer]

Hi Greybeard--

'If you trace fear down to its ultimate cause, its a fear of death.
Remove the belief that you die and you remove all fear.'

these words are the heart of what you're saying, i think -- wise words -- i have had some painful lessons this lifetime re acting from fear

i myself really don't see any fearmongering on either the PC or the PA forum -- i see a lot of info, including some very helpful info of a spiritual nature

Peace & Freedom, wynderer

[HORIZONS]

I have always found that when fear arises, and it will, I must face those fears -- look them straight in the eye -- and I always manage to overcome them. For we have nothing to fear, not even fear itself. :original:

[Frank Samuel]

Morning to you Grey you are in quite a cheerful mood today.
Good and bad experiences when we take the fear factor away leads to profound insights , that leads to peace and tranquility. A few times in my life fear has hit me. One time I was swimming in the Ocean and a got drag down by a huge wave. No matter what I did I could not pull myself up. In moments like this your life flashes before your eyes my fear turn to happiness and hope a very distinct voice just said, 'don't give up' , so I did not and then I made it to shore, happy as can be I felt like a new man was just reborn in that moment. If we give in to fear we missed the point of what awaits for us once we overcome our fears, the chance to explore, learn and experience.

Is time to go Blessings to all...:original::thumb_yello::wub2::wub2::wub2:

[giovonni]

http://startupblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/leap.jpg

Ah~ Barophobia the fear of feeling pulled down or oppressed. Those who fear this natural force will feel overpowered by its strength and its effect on the world around. The gravitational forces at play in the universe are central to our understanding of the physical world. Without a knowledge of gravity and what is it does, there would be little progress. Now i'm not suggesting you start with sky~diving first :lol3:

Thank you Chris
as always~ Gio

[Rareheart]

You have to go through it to get through it...imho
:original:

[greybeard]

You have to go through it to get through it...imho
:original:
Yes this is true.
Each fear gives a choice to build spiritual muscle or get dragged down by it.
Any one who is not fond of the word spiritual can of course substitute -- positive thinking.
Speaking generally of course.
Chris

[Peace of mind]

{quotes of greybeard} positive thinking boosts the immune system.

Im not saying put your head in the sand, dont be aware of what is happening in the world, no im saying be aware of the events of the world but dont get caught up in it.

Papers are sold on bad news,
There is so good new out there but rarely reported because it is so common place that it dosent sell newspapers.

Once we get off the bad new addiction then we might just see a better world.
We tend to attract what we think on.
Think positively then thats what we attract into our lives.
The opposite also applies.


Losers limp explains it well.
I watched on tv an Oxford Cambridge boat race a while back. At the end the winneres were full of life ecstatic. The losers exhausted slumped over the oars. There was only several foot between the winning result and second place (only two boats).
Thats the difference between believing you can win and doubting your ability. {end quotes}
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I agree^^, The images in our heads have a very good chance of materializing. We need to be very careful when dwelling on undesired thoughts. :thumb_yello:
If only people knew how to empower themselves without fear...
Fear is an serious issue, it often discourages people from living up to their true potential.

Peace

[greybeard]

Morning to you Grey you are in quite a cheerful mood today.
Good and bad experiences when we take the fear factor away leads to profound insights , that leads to peace and tranquility. A few times in my life fear has hit me. One time I was swimming in the Ocean and a got drag down by a huge wave. No matter what I did I could not pull myself up. In moments like this your life flashes before your eyes my fear turn to happiness and hope a very distinct voice just said, 'don't give up' , so I did not and then I made it to shore, happy as can be I felt like a new man was just reborn in that moment. If we give in to fear we missed the point of what awaits for us once we overcome our fears, the chance to explore, learn and experience.

Is time to go Blessings to all...:original::thumb_yello::wub2::wub2::wub2:

Yes had a similar experience Frank my friend.
I kissed the beach.
It sure strengthens one.
Chris
Chris

[pedro m.b.]

believe in oneself brings peace and tranquility, we realise that´s nothing to fear.

:original:

[shiva777]

let's face it almost EVERY "insider" interviewed by Project Camelot paints a very challenging and dramatic or "fearful" picture of what our near future may look like...they give their SMALL slice of what they have been told is going on with the Illuminati's agendas...they are usually not very spiritually developed and hence come to very "fearful" conclusions about things....so if you complain about this forum being "fearful" than why are you even here on this forum...Project Camelot has interviewed so many "fear mongering" insiders who play in to the Illuminatis fear spreading games, whose projected futures have already not occurred...for example...economic cpollapses last year,Swine flu mass deaths last year,massive terrorist attacks last year...none of them have come to pass....what most of these people fail to see is that timelines they speak of have already collapsed as they speak of them...so don't take any "insiders" opinions too seriously...mine gthe gold from the ***** and work on raising your own frequency,that's the best thing you can do for yourself and the planet...it's an INSIDE job,not an "insiders" job

[greybeard]

believe in oneself brings peace and tranquility, we realise that´s nothing to fear.

:original:

Thanks for this love your signature.


Yes the whole world belongs to us.
Lets change it.
Mind you to be honest my world doesn't need changed since I changed my mind.
Ch

[Stardustaquarion]

Just one word confront.


Thank you for your observation greybeard, I should have chosen my words more carfully

What I intended to convey was to have the courage to look at our fears

as in confront - deal with (something unpleasant) head on; "You must confront your problems";


Love

[greybeard]

To the pure all things are pure.
"Nothing is right or wrong till thinking makes it so" Shakespeare said that.

However not everyone is at the point where they can shrug of "bad news " and call it a learning experience, takes time to develop that kind of attitude. Took me half a life time.
and dont test me yet on everything -- smiling.

I chose the title of the thread to attract attention therefore healthy debate.
If I had called it The good news thread (great idea why dident I ) then only the people who are allready aware of the power of the positive would have read it.

Ultimately nothing is bad or good it just is.
People who share their strength and hope on the forum lift those who struggle with the "news" So there is a balance here.

Ch

[Stardustaquarion]

Yeah, we can say that everything is "perfect" in our manifestations because they reflects which kind of energetic frequency we have chosen

Ideal is to be in resonance with Source and to live in harmony with the laws of the universe

Love

[greybeard]

Thank you for your observation greybeard, I should have chosen my words more carfully

What I intended to convey was to have the courage to look at our fears

as in confront - deal with (something unpleasant) head on; "You must confront your problems";

Love

Hi your a Star.
After my comment I realized there are other meanings to the word confront.
My apologies.
I love people posting as it helps me greatly, it triggers responses which are sometimes not completely appropriate.

Ch

[Rocky_Shorz]

Looking around the cave men slowly approached the Dinosaur, quietly approaching hearts pounding with fear, senses peaked to the limit.

Adrenalin pumping through their system to the point of recognizing any movement and being able to react as in reflex.

They knew before the beast moved it was coming, because their inner instincts were open almost allowing them to see into the future... :starwars:


Fear is actually an important part of preparing for a battle, getting past the fear gives strength to the point of heroism.


now the real question is, who is instilling the fear and what do they gain by bringing us to the point of lighting up our abilities?

[Myself]

It's incredible that consciousness manifests itself in such manner. This morning I had a mind bubble consisting of an 'avalon-eckhart-tolle-now-nothing-to-fear' compounds. I'm fascinated by this connectedness!

And as a side note on a subject; being now in presence and not feeding your mind with fatal scenarios and digress about what can happen seems to be the only logical way (although the mind/ego says the opposite). We are going to die, that is our physical bodies will, and we can't do anything about it. So why fear it and try to omit what's inevitable ? Fear nothing and live your life the path of love :)

[Rocky_Shorz]

Could it be by being tossed into these likely scenarios, our minds are getting preprogrammed so if and when the day comes we are prepared to act?

The world has plenty of sheeples that wake up go to work, come home and go to bed with no thoughts of what might be coming in the future.

this is a meeting place of the gifted from around the planet, I would love to see a pinmap of the areas watched by this forum.

We aren't afraid of jumping into a subject and discussing the possibilities for all those reading along. As we are discussing best possible scenarios for an outcome, we are sharing wisdom to many that might need it in the future.

So I'm afraid the fear does have its purpose and strange as it may seem is doing all of us good.

[HORIZONS]

Could it be by being tossed into these likely scenarios, our minds are getting preprogrammed so if and when the day comes we are prepared to act?

The world has plenty of sheeples that wake up go to work, come home and go to bed with no thoughts of what might be coming in the future.

this is a meeting place of the gifted from around the planet, I would love to see a pinmap of the areas watched by this forum.

We aren't afraid of jumping into a subject and discussing the possibilities for all those reading along. As we are discussing best possible scenarios for an outcome, we are sharing wisdom to many that might need it in the future.

So I'm afraid the fear does have its purpose and strange as it may seem is doing all of us good.

Good post's Rock, they make us think.

Every time we overcome fear we advance and grow as a being, and every time we give in to fear we retreat and do not grow as a being and will just face the issue again in another fashion. To arrive at a state where there is truly no fear is to be a master of one's own life.

[greybeard]

It comes to the point where fear is non productive. ie rabbit in the headlights.

A rock climber is aware of the danger of climbing yet he cant afford fear.

Im suggesting that knowledge and preparation is one thing fear another.

A fireman need a cool head when rescuing some one from fire, he needs to calm the person that he is risking his life to save, of course its dangerous, would fear help? I think not.

The Climber and fire man are totally in the NOW. They cant afford to think of fear, or whats for supper for that matter. Their lives and others depend on being completely focused.

So Im suggesting that we have evolved beyond the animal instincts, they have served us well. Now we have the ability to be aware of danger with out the need for fight or flight adrenalin, we are evolving becoming more Right brain humans.

Ch

[HORIZONS]

It comes to the point where fear is non productive. ie rabbit in the headlights.

A rock climber is aware of the danger of climbing yet he cant afford fear.

Im suggesting that knowledge and preparation is one thing fear another.

A fireman need a cool head when rescuing some one from fire, he needs to calm the person that he is risking his life to save, of course its dangerous, would fear help? I think not.

The Climber and fire man are totally in the NOW. They cant afford to think of fear, or whats for supper for that matter. Their lives and others depend on being completely focused.

So Im suggesting that we have evolved beyond the animal instincts, they have served us well. Now we have the ability to be aware of danger with out the need for fight or flight adrenalin, we are evolving becoming more Right brain humans.

Ch

The rock climber and the fireman overcome their fear through their experience and training. This is their process of evolution. As one becomes more knowledgeable through experience the fear subsides. The fear of climbing and firefighting subsides.
Upon arising in the morning and walking through the kitchen and you happen to step on a wet rope fear will seize your mind thinking it is a snake ready to bite, but as you look down to see the snake you then realize that the supposed snake is a rope and the fear is gone. Learning from this experience the wet rope will have no more fear in your life should you step on it again. Had it been a snake, a quick reaction on your part induced by the fear may have saved you from a deadly bite.

~Namaste

[greybeard]

The rock climber and the fireman overcome their fear through their experience and training. This is their process of evolution. As one becomes more knowledgeable through experience the fear subsides. The fear of climbing and firefighting subsides.
Upon arising in the morning and walking through the kitchen and you happen to step on a wet rope fear will seize your mind thinking it is a snake ready to bite, but as you look down to see the snake you then realize that the supposed snake is a rope and the fear is gone. Learning from this experience the wet rope will have no more fear in your life should you step on it again. Had it been a snake, a quick reaction on your part induced by the fear may have saved you from a deadly bite.

~Namaste

A Ramana and the rope,
Yes the illusion of fear has to be faced.
Different strokes for different folks.
Mountain folk know the dangers of running from bear which would seem to be a fear induced panic reaction.
What is appropriate in one situatiion would not be appropriate in another.
In general adrenalin fight or flight is not healthy but it might save your life long enough for it to be unhealthy. :mfr_lol:

Id rather be happy :mfr_lol:than right.
Nothing I say or think is written in concrete.

Eckhart Tolle said "Dont take your thoughts too seriously". Im trying ---very.

Namaste to you too.

[RedeZra]

Upon arising in the morning and walking through the kitchen and you happen to step on a wet rope fear will seize your mind thinking it is a snake ready to bite, but as you look down to see the snake you then realize that the supposed snake is a rope and the fear is gone. Learning from this experience the wet rope will have no more fear in your life should you step on it again. Had it been a snake, a quick reaction on your part induced by the fear may have saved you from a deadly bite.



Ramana and the Rope

what it seems is not what it is


Reality puts on the Royal mantel of Maya

the Cloak of Concealment

the Sheath of Superimposition


appearances

veritable veils of distractions


if Ignorance is the father of Intellect

we have some work cut out for us

or just Let Go Let God lol

[HORIZONS]

A Ramana and the rope,
Yes the illusion of fear has to be faced.
Different strokes for different folks.
Mountain folk know the dangers of running from bear which would seem to be a fear induced panic reaction.
What is appropriate in one situatiion would not be appropriate in another.
In general adrenalin fight or flight is not healthy but it might save your life long enough for it to be unhealthy. :mfr_lol:

Id rather be happy :mfr_lol:than right.
Nothing I say or think is written in concrete.

Eckhart Tolle said "Dont take your thoughts too seriously". Im trying ---very.

Namaste to you too.


The only point I am adding here is that I do not think that we will wake up one day evolved out of our fear. The fear of death - the fear of the unknown - the fear of pain - the fear of being alone, etc, etc, We will need to face each and every fear and then see them for what they are - oh, fear is that you again, how are you, well you can go back to where you came from now I am done with you - Overcoming our fear through knowledge and experience and learning to live in a state of peace, recognizing that we have nothing to fear, not even fear itself, we will find ourselves fearless. Fear is overcome by facing them through knowledge and experience.

And the only absolute is that there is no absolute. So I am sure there are a myriad of answers to this thread.

~Namaste

[Carol]

I ain't ascarid of falling either.

http://www.dangerousminds.net/images/uploads/tumblr_kx5is5YkAB1qz6ygbo1_250.gif

[greybeard]

Hope we do get a myriad of viewpoints that helps greatly as then I have a choice of how I deal with knee jerking situations.
There is no i deal ideal way.
Eventually I got to the place that the only way to deal with a certain situation was to ask for Divine intervention to help me, in a fear filled situation. I got the help.
With Love
C

[Humble Janitor]

If you refuse to let certain things get to you, there's no way they'll get to you. In other words, don't pay attention to those trying to drum up fear.

[greybeard]

If you refuse to let certain things get to you, there's no way they'll get to you. In other words, don't pay attention to those trying to drum up fear.
Yes its that simple.
Thanks
Chris

[Rocky_Shorz]

Hope we do get a myriad of viewpoints that helps greatly as then I have a choice of how I deal with knee jerking situations.

With Love
C

you do know, no matter how many times a doctor taps your knee with a hammer, will still cause a reflex reaction...

you can try to control it and pretend it isn't there but that little rubber hammer pierces through the illusion and your leg bounces again... :wink2:

now if you inject yourself with enough Novocaine to numb your senses so there is no feeling...

it might not move...

you step on that wet rope again 2 weeks after you convinced yourself it isn't anything to be afraid of in the dark and you will jump again...

heart pounding, adrenalin rushing, followed by a laugh and dang it...

[greybeard]

you do know, no matter how many times a doctor taps your knee with a hammer, will still cause a reflex reaction...

you can try to control it and pretend it isn't there but that little rubber hammer pierces through the illusion and your leg bounces again... :wink2:

now if you inject yourself with enough Novocaine to numb your senses so there is no feeling...

it might not move...

you step on that wet rope again 2 weeks after you convinced yourself it isn't anything to be afraid of in the dark and you will jump again...

heart pounding, adrenalin rushing, followed by a laugh and dang it...

Hi Rocky
My favourite author Dr David Hawkins says when there is a state of enlightenment that reflex is no longer present.
The same one out walking stumbled upon a rattler, there was an awareness of danger but he said the presence of love handled the situation. He and the rattler looked at each other and the rope I mean snake slid away.
However Im not in that state so I might be real glad of a little adrenalin if the wet rope turns out to be a snake.
30 years ago I rescued someone from a fire. I was drunk at the time though. Saw smoke poring out underneath a flat door opened it, wrong thing to do, lets oxygen in. Anyway I stumbled on someone lying on the floor and pulled him out. It was so black you couldn't see an inch in front, all respect to firemen. I was too out of it to be scared. In the morning I couldent believe what I had done. Sobriety arrived in my life soon after.

Ch

[Rocky_Shorz]

not long ago, I went for a walk down to the beach it was high tide so I entered through a different path I normally take and as usual was barefoot as I stepped through the rocks to work my way down to the sand.

as I was standing on a rock looking for my next step I felt something wet brush my ankle looking down I saw it was the tongue of a snake...

I recognized it as a rattler immediately but felt no fear and didn't jump to get from it's reach because I would have been hurt worse landing wrong on the boulders below me.

maybe I didn't taste right so he didn't bite but I thought he was just saying hi as I was passing.

It was coiled but it's rattle wasn't shaking so not disturbed at my presence.

If I was afraid would it have recognized it and struck me knowing my adrenaline was peaking ready to defend myself?

[Rocky_Shorz]

a friend was with me on the walk and the moment I saw the snake my first thought went to her safety, I reached behind me taking her hand to direct her to a different path...

I have been tested many times that is just one I remember because it was so recent.

I was down at the beach one day with my sisters and all of their families, and my kids were grabbing my hand pulling me to head out and play in the waves but I had a feeling and told them to wait for a bit.

Suddenly my hair was standing I knew something was wrong so I jumped to my feet and looked around and then I saw it. A small toddler was climbing under a bridge the sand was pushed up so it was blocking the flow of water forming a small pool beneath.

I sprinted across the beach not even remembering my feet touching the sand as I watched him tip forward head first into the water his arms too short to push himself free.

There was barely enough room for me so I dove in head first under the bridge catching a foot and pulling him back so his head was clear of the water.

It took a little for me to wiggle back out from under the bridge, but I was right behind the life guard towers and they hadn't even noticed the commotion. I picked up the small child and walked back over to where my family was having a picnic and set him down on the blanket to join us.

15 minutes later the frantic parents came running up the beach calling out for their child...

They only spoke Spanish so my sisters translated what had happened...

It was close, but what we are here for...

[HORIZONS]

a friend was with me on the walk and the moment I saw the snake my first thought went to her safety, I reached behind me taking her hand to direct her to a different path...

I have been tested many times that is just one I remember because it was so recent.

I was down at the beach one day with my sisters and all of their families, and my kids were grabbing my hand pulling me to head out and play in the waves but I had a feeling and told them to wait for a bit.

Suddenly my hair was standing I knew something was wrong so I jumped to my feet and looked around and then I saw it. A small toddler was climbing under a bridge the sand was pushed up so it was blocking the flow of water forming a small pool beneath.

I sprinted across the beach not even remembering my feet touching the sand as I watched him tip forward head first into the water his arms too short to push himself free.

There was barely enough room for me so I dove in head first under the bridge catching a foot and pulling him back so his head was clear of the water.

It took a little for me to wiggle back out from under the bridge, but I was right behind the life guard towers and they hadn't even noticed the commotion. I picked up the small child and walked back over to where my family was having a picnic and set him down on the blanket to join us.

15 minutes later the frantic parents came running up the beach calling out for their child...

They only spoke Spanish so my sisters translated what had happened...

It was close, but what we are here for...

Good posts! :thumb_yello:

[orthodoxymoron]

Go Rocky Shorz! You are an inspiration! :thumb_yello:

At what point does facing reality become fear mongering? At what point does positive thinking become delusional and irresponsible? I like the concept of Positive Response Ability...wherein one faces reality with positive and negative thinking...and formulates positive responses and solutions.

:original: Namaste :wub2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wub2: Freedom :original:

[wynderer]

At what point does facing reality become fear mongering?'

thanks for this opening to what i've been thinking about writing/saying here, Orthodoxymoron

this theme of 'fearmongering' has surfaced on every forum i've spent time on -- i've come to the conclusion that those who suggest others are fearmongering are coming from a place of fear themselves -- because basically they are saying there are topics being discussed/presented for discussion that make them fearful -- otherwise they would not be trying to push these topics out of their own consciousness/'reality'

to me this seems rather self-centered -- 'I've got my own nice little light & love bubble going on here, & i don't want to hear about things that might threaten it'

it's a form of magical thinking -- usually a passionate conviction that 'we create our own reality' goes along w/this -- a conviction that 'I am God, totally in control of my own life' [this is how the reptilians see things --they are very into control -- & they do not honor the Creator--they honor themselves]

in Carl Jung's book on UFOs, he said that whether or not they were real, psychologically their appearance in such numbers [i believe he died in the '60s, long before the many worldwide sightings of the present time] represented humankind's inner preparation for 'a mass exodus of souls' in the near future

i don't think it's a coincidence that as the reality of the mass deaths [barring Divine Intervention] approaches [remembering that in many places all over the world, the mass deaths are already happening], this form of 'spirituality' [humans as God, each creating his/her personal light & love bubble] has increased dramatically, mostly in countries where, up till now, most of the people have lived in well-padded comfort --

a truly fearless human, a human truly grounded in Love, will have no problem in looking steadfastly at the whole ugly picture --sometimes it seems that some people are afraid that if they look at something ugly [Dulce; all the children being sold to sadistic perverts; our oceans dying; chemtrails; HAARP; DU; war upon war upon war; etc, etc, etc] , that something's going to jump out & get them

a truly fearless & loving human would also know that until we are all free , none of us is free -- i generally find such humans among political peace & justice activists, who know that it is NOT 'all good' for most who live on this planet -- they are also the most fear-free humans i have met

a quote on 'creating your own reality': 'Who among you by taking thought can add one cubit to his stature [height] ?' --Jesus

a quote on excluding 'negative' things from your own 'spirituality' [personal comfort]: 'Not knowing acts like guilt'-- Carl Jung

Peace & Freedom, wynderer

[greybeard]

Go Rocky Shorz! You are an inspiration! :thumb_yello:

At what point does facing reality become fear mongering? At what point does positive thinking become delusional and irresponsible? I like the concept of Positive Response Ability...wherein one faces reality with positive and negative thinking...and formulates positive responses and solutions.

:original: Namaste :wub2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wub2: Freedom :original:

We have wandered of from the point of the thread which was really originally about doom and gloom posting which was based on very little or no evidence. Personal survival when face to face with the snake or whatever is a different ball game. However I think that its great that the tread has a life of its own and will go where ever it wills.
Lots of great posts.
Thanks Chris

[Rocky_Shorz]

well if you prefer I can quietly disappear from the discussion so it can go back to the evil Illuminati's plans to wipe out 98% of the world population, death Stars, aliens wanting to wipe out the planet, the complete destruction of the world financial system turning us all into paupers as the Military state takes over and tosses us into holding cells to turn us all into lizards... ;-)

My way of dealing with fear is by filling those around me with hope... but maybe this will help you all get back on topic again... :wink2:

[greybeard]

Its all about balance I think.
As mature people yes there are certain things that can affect us that we need to know.
Nothing is good or bad till thinking makes it so.
News, of it self, is just news but dwelling on it and keeping rumor going with out a shred of proof is of the ego. Ie Im the one that know listen to me. if its true and there is real evidence to support what you are saying then thats entirely different in my opinion. Thats a service to humanity.

Speaking of which, the link is to Dr David Hawkins publishers web site,
He had the largest psychiatric practice in the USA at one time.
His book "Power vs Force" is amazing.

http://www.veritaspub.com/

Have a look at the "about" on the web pages.
He has done a lot for humanity.

Chris

[greybeard]

The book Power vs Force points out that the human mind is like the hard drive on a computer, it designed to be programed and then the problem arises that the human mind cant tell truth from false hood. Thats a big statement but fully explained and backed up by Dr Hawkins in the book and he should know.
Germany went to war because the population believed the propaganda put out by Goebbels.
He was the ultimate in fear mongering, he played on the basest of human thought.
He admitted if you told a lie often enough with conviction people would believe it.
So a fear ridden society is much easier to control.
So fear mongering has a very "bad" effect on the human mind.
Mongering means to sell. Selling fear cant be good.
There are accepted norms of what is helpful and supportive to life and that which is not.
Im just suggesting that we support true reporting and just dont follow or promote fallacious fearful stories.
Lots of positive good news here.
Chris

[greybeard]

well if you prefer I can quietly disappear from the discussion so it can go back to the evil Illuminati's plans to wipe out 98% of the world population, death Stars, aliens wanting to wipe out the planet, the complete destruction of the world financial system turning us all into paupers as the Military state takes over and tosses us into holding cells to turn us all into lizards... ;-)

My way of dealing with fear is by filling those around me with hope... but maybe this will help you all get back on topic again... :wink2:

Well Rocky im with you.
The purpose of the thread is to get off selling fear.
It just wanders off as is human.
Chris
Nammaste

[Stardustaquarion]

Go Rocky Shorz! You are an inspiration! :thumb_yello:

At what point does facing reality become fear mongering? At what point does positive thinking become delusional and irresponsible? I like the concept of Positive Response Ability...wherein one faces reality with positive and negative thinking...and formulates positive responses and solutions.

:original: Namaste :wub2: Constitutional :wink2: Responsible :wub2: Freedom :original:

Reality is factual, even if harrowing. Once emotions get mixed with it, like insecurity, panic, anxiety it stops being facts and becomes fearmongering

Positive thinking becomes delusional when it ignores the facts of the reality we are living in. It is part of cognitive disonance. Example: People are dieing of hunger, I don't want to know = we are all fine...we aren't really. Many of us can not do anything about that but we have to accept is part of Earth reality

Positive response may not be the answer always because it can be sometimes like brushing the things under the carpet. The best response comes from engaged detachment. It implies that we are aware of the facts of our reality and we have come to terms with the worse case scenario which brings inner peace by accepting what we can do and what it is beyond our possibilities to handle. It takes a lot of courage and deep breathing to do this

What is the problem here, there is a miss conception of what free speach means, that is all

It would be useful to have a clear definition of what Bill Ryan, the owner of avalon understands as "free speach" and which kind of posts are permited. Those are the facts, then individualy we can chose whether this place suits us or not

The Owner of this place has the right to arbitrarily, if he so choses, to change the rules too, there is no contractual agreements with the members other that to obey the regulations that the country this forum is has

"Rights" are a very slipery slope that most people do not understand. We believe we have rights but actualy we don't have any rights other than those given to us by common law if we can make them hold

Now as setient beings we could chose to be free of fear and to ponder our responses rather than knee jerk into saying something that we may regret later. That makes us conscious creators. We do not react, we act. That is fearlessness

Love

[greybeard]

Im in total agreement with you Star.
Its not more free speech we need its freedom from speech as in speeching.
Freedom of speech brings responsibilities.
Politically correct has a lot to answer for, but thats another complex subject.
One mans ceiling another mans floor.
Its a question of the level one is at, ones own personal reality.
Anger for example is more positive than apathy.
ans so on up till there is an acceptance that what is, is.
That is not helpful to some one in apathy.
In psychiatry there is such a scale.
When a person is apathetic, they are not suicidal, they dont care enough to be suicidal.
When they move beyond apathy they, the patient, are watched closely, because they may go suicidal, till they get to anger, and then helped beyond that.

Different strokes for different folks.

the prayer that AA uses is.
God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change.
The courage to change the things I can.
Wisdom to know the difference.

With respect for all points of view, as they reflect where the person is at this moment and is therefore valid, at least to them.
Chris

[wynderer]

it's interesting [to me] that you mentioned David Hawkins & 'Power vs Force, Greybeard -- i have a quote from that book in my email personal signature:

'There is no anti-depressant that will cure a depression that's spiritually based, for the malaise doesn't originate from brain dysfunction, but from an accurate response to the desecration of life.'

Peace & Freedom, wynderer

[lawlessline]

no fear no love just am.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_puwOpH-EQ

[Céline]

Im in total agreement with you Star.
Its not more free speech we need its freedom from speech as in speeching.
Freedom of speech brings responsibilities.
Politically correct has a lot to answer for, but thats another complex subject.
One mans ceiling another mans floor.
Its a question of the level one is at, ones own personal reality.
Anger for example is more positive than apathy.
ans so on up till there is an acceptance that what is, is.
That is not helpful to some one in apathy.
In psychiatry there is such a scale.
When a person is apathetic, they are not suicidal, they dont care enough to be suicidal.
When they move beyond apathy they, the patient, are watched closely, because they may go suicidal, till they get to anger, and then helped beyond that.

Different strokes for different folks.

the prayer that AA uses is.
God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change.
The courage to change the things I can.
Wisdom to know the difference.

With respect for all points of view, as they reflect where the person is at this moment and is therefore valid, at least to them.
Chris

Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes.

Mahatma Gandhi


and perhaps be forgiven for them

[Stardustaquarion]

Celine

We all make mistakes, the harderst thing is to forgive ourselves

The greatest gift one can give to oneself is to love oneself as one is now, no quible, no judgement, no expectations

The expectations we have about ourselves are mostly given to us by our parents and society and there is a time to chose what we keep and what we leave behind

That does not mean that one does not endeavor to align with the laws of the universe only that there is no point on looking back with regret

Love

[greybeard]

it's interesting [to me] that you mentioned David Hawkins & 'Power vs Force, Greybeard -- i have a quote from that book in my email personal signature:

'There is no anti-depressant that will cure a depression that's spiritually based, for the malaise doesn't originate from brain dysfunction, but from an accurate response to the desecration of life.'

Peace & Freedom, wynderer

Hi Wynderer.
Did you get a lot from the book?
Most of the posts on "The ego what is it? how to transcend" thread which I contributed were influenced by reading Dr Hawkins.

I went to America to a talk he gave at Longbeach, he shook my hand and with out me realizing it, a long entrenched fear of heights was removed. I was later dared to go up in the ferris wheel outside the hotel and only after did I realize there was no fear.
Before this I had difficulty standing on a kitchen chair with out breaking out in a cold sweat.
I have read most of his books and got some videos of the Torrent "Pirate Bay"
Ive seen short clips of Hawkins on u tube but they are so out of context to be ridiculous.

Gloria in Excelsis Deo is what he begins and ends talks with.
Glory to God in the Highest is what it means.

Chris Namaste

[greybeard]

Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes.

Mahatma Gandhi


and perhaps be forgiven for them

Agree Celine but Id rather learn from others mistakes. I dont have to make all of them myself.

I forgive me, if I cant forgive my actions I cant really forgive others.
Its very easy to be critcal of ones own,my actions in retrospect but if I had been aware of the consequences I would have acted differently. I did the best I could at the time.
Im sure we all do.

With Love
Chris

[wynderer]

Hi Chris -- i did not read the book -- i found the quote somewhere on the net -- i was in one of my periodic fits of great despair over what is being done to Mother Earth & the Animals, & it 'spoke to my condition,' as Quakers say

do you think that the healing came thru Dr Hawkins' touch? or was it because you had been/were in that exhilarating state of consciousness of hearing/grokking great truths presented as abstract thoughts? augmented by being w/others experiencing the same/being in that same dimension at Dr Hawkins' talk?

this might more properly belong in your transcending the ego thread -- in my rather feverish spiritual searching in my 20s & early 30s i came across this concept of transcending the ego -- this is a Buddhist teaching i think -- a path that has one of if not the most sophisticated & profound psychological understandings of the human mind , imo

but this is not my path -- to me, 'ego' is 'I am' -- the 'I am' who is looking out thru these eyes , typing this to send to another 'I am' , you, looking out thru your eyes as you read this

i think individualized consciousness is the greatest gift the Creator has endowed us with [tho at times it can feel like a curse] [smile]

w/ the ego, i see it as a case of it ain't what you got, it's what you do with what you got that counts

Peace & Freedom, wynderer/Kathleen

[greybeard]

Hi Chris -- i did not read the book -- i found the quote somewhere on the net -- i was in one of my periodic fits of great despair over what is being done to Mother Earth & the Animals, & it 'spoke to my condition,' as Quakers say

do you think that the healing came thru Dr Hawkins' touch? or was it because you had been/were in that exhilarating state of consciousness of hearing/grokking great truths presented as abstract thoughts? augmented by being w/others experiencing the same/being in that same dimension at Dr Hawkins' talk?

this might more properly belong in your transcending the ego thread -- in my rather feverish spiritual searching in my 20s & early 30s i came across this concept of transcending the ego -- this is a Buddhist teaching i think -- a path that has one of if not the most sophisticated & profound psychological understandings of the human mind , imo

but this is not my path -- to me, 'ego' is 'I am' -- the 'I am' who is looking out thru these eyes , typing this to send to another 'I am' , you, looking out thru your eyes as you read this

i think individualized consciousness is the greatest gift the Creator has endowed us with [tho at times it can feel like a curse] [smile]

w/ the ego, i see it as a case of it ain't what you got, it's what you do with what you got that counts

Peace & Freedom, wynderer/Kathleen

Its a good question Kathleen.
First I have witnessed quite a few "healings" through using various forms of energy work.
I believe that the presence of the "healer" awakens something within the "client" and the healing is then self promoted t some level beyond awareness. Karma may come into it-- who knows.

All I can say was that I wasn't in an excited state to meet Dr Hawkins, I put no head above or below my own.
There are many definitions of ego. Persona for example is different, so is self esteem.
In the spiritual understanding. Ego is an illusion a belief in the story in the head that me is the cause of everything in isolation from others, only the me is considered to be of any relevance. others thoughts and opinions matter not at all. Ego is allways right.
You are right the same self that you have I have and it is individualized. When ego is transcended, you are free to be yourself, but there are many levels of self going all the way up to God.
Hope this helps
Chris

[wynderer]

Hi Chris -- thanks for your clarification thoughts re your healing

tho i respect Buddhism, the -- impersonality? -- of the teachings does not 'speak to my condition' -- the end of my searching was/is surrendering to/accepting the protection & care of Jesus the Living Christ[& all who serve Him], due to some very powerful personal experiences

i was in spitirual agony one time over Jesus as the Living Christ saying that 'no man comes to the Father [Creator] except thru me' -- for my own reasons i see this as the truth -- but i just could not get my mind around one of my Jewish or Buddhist or Pantheist friends going to hell when they die because they didn't say 'Jesus is Lord' --

finally i was given/heard an answer that 'spoke to my condition' : 'Where Love Is, there I Am' -- i was in the Presence of that Love as i heard this

George Ritchie [sp?] wrote a book about his NDE during WWII when he died from the flu that went around the world then [it killed a lot of people] -- Jesus met him when he left his body, & showed/taught him many things [including the nuclear reactor being built then] --when he came back, he was in despair, after having been in the presence of such great Love -- the world a cold & dark place

after he recuperated, he was shipped to Europe & was one of the USA soldiers who liberated one of the concentration camps, i think Auschwitz -- he met a man there, a Jew, who had survived 5 yrs of being in the camps --in his eyes George R at last saw/was in the presence of the same Love as when he was w/Jesus -- they talked, & George R learned that this man had been forced to watch as his baby's brains were dashed out on a wall & his wife & older children were shot to death

he said that at that moment, he knew he had the choice to either Love, or hate, & he chose Love -- he learned how to draw energy from the air by breathing consciously & spent his years in the hells of different camps helping others

i read this book yrs ago, & this man, the thought of him, has always been an inspiration & a source of encouragement for me

i kind of got off track there -- it's like, if i spend mental time thinking about transcending my ego, that's less time to try to focus on/attune to Love, Highest Consciousness, the Creator thru the Living Christ, our HP --Higher Power, as we say in AA -- & i have a hard enough time doing that as it is, especially lately w/the heavy emf/HAARP attacks going on here in the USA & likely worldwide

Peace & Freedom, Kathleen

[greybeard]

Hi Kathleen
Thanks for sharing. Yes we have wake up moments that change everything.
Thing you would enjoy Dr Hawkins "Power vs Force" In one of his books he states that Jesus was unique in that He did not have a previous life time. He came here specifically to be our Saviour.

One of the reasons i started this thread is because people get distracted by theories on Harp etc.
I wrote in another thread that earthquaqes etc were going on long before humans were on the planet. They are part of a natural cycle and it seems to be a fact that they are requalted by what is happening on the Sun.

One of my favorite statements of all time was made by Beren on this forum.
LOVE LOVE AND THEN SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

Fear and love cannot co-exist.
Thats it, no more to be said really.

Chris

[Kulapops]

Nice thread Chris... I agree...

But is it 'Get off it', or 'Get off of it?'

To avoid any confusion, I say...

Get Over it !

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K

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

i agree with the fear aspect of information being constantly drummed into people. i feel like somehow ive gone through some dark night of the soul, like a masonic initiation ritual of some type. or like luke on degobah in star wars.

it involves moving away from the reaction phase to the creation phase i think. as someone noted here about the rubber hammer and the knee, i no longer have that instant reflex. using another star wars analogy- obi-wan fights darth vader and then turms off his light sabre.

:trumpet:

[Kulapops]

i no longer have that instant reflex. using another star wars analogy- obi-wan fights darth vader and then turms off his light sabre.

:trumpet:

Exactly Pineal !

I quite agree with you.

- Or maybe his batteries ran out ?? Bad timing...:winksmiley02:

Either way, my view is we'll never really know, the universe is far too eloquent for us to understand.

But like those punching knock over skittle (ten-pin) -things. Perhaps the less effort we expend in knocking things about, the less there is to do...

[wynderer]

what's coming into my mind reading some of the above posts is something Pericles said: 'You may not take an interest in politics, but politics may take an interest in you'

also, the Ghost Dances did not stop the bullets

Peace & Freedom, wynderer

[Kulapops]

'You may not take an interest in politics, but politics may take an interest in you'



Good point Wynderer. Then maybe that's what destiny is? When a politician falls on you. :original:

Still, I'm reasoning, up to that point, we should only get involved with what crosses our path. can we deal with that at least? Surely there is no time to get involved with everything in the world that doesn't cross our path?

I think this is a problem of the information age.

The ghost dancers may have had a problem with bullets, but did they have a problem worrying about earthquakes in Chile, and the fate of the Panda?

These days, we get to worry about anything we can read about. If we are the worrying kind...

[greybeard]

Good point Wynderer. Then maybe that's what destiny is? When a politician falls on you. :original:

Still, I'm reasoning, up to that point, we should only get involved with what crosses our path. can we deal with that at least? Surely there is no time to get involved with everything in the world that doesn't cross our path?

I think this is a problem of the information age.

The ghost dancers may have had a problem with bullets, but did they have a problem worrying about earthquakes in Chile, and the fate of the Panda?

These days, we get to worry about anything we can read about. If we are the worrying kind...

Yes my friend so many distractions.
A story well known.
A minister was preparing the Sunday sermon, son was looking for attention "Daddy Daddy come play with me!" The Reverand found a map of the world in a handy magazine and tore it in to pieces saying "Son when you have put the map together I will play with you heres the sellotape" Very soon the boy was back with the map reassembled. Dad was amazed. "How did you do that so quickly son?"
"Easy Dad, there was a picture of a man on the back and when I got the man right the world came right"

In simplicity if we sort ourselves our world come right.

Thanks to all who contribute to this thread, there have some great posts.
Ch

[lisa]

Did you get a lot from the book?
Sigh... still trying to sell books, Greybeard?
Most people on this forum are fearless.
There are some intentional fear mongering from the dark forces though.

[greybeard]

Sigh... still trying to sell books, Greybeard?
Most people on this forum are fearless.
There are some intentional fear mongering from the dark forces though.


Just sharing, just sharing Honey.
I found DH helpful. Eckhart Tolle The Course in Miracles. The Bhagavad Gita. I am That.
Ramana, Ramesh Balsekar. Wayne Dyer. The list is endless.
All these books and writers have sold in the millions. They dont need me to sell one.

Im happy for you to quote who ever you like.
I just put the authors name down as a mark of respect and the quotes are relevant to the topic of the thread.
No head above mine.

With respect to you. Lisa.

[Swanny]

My only fear is that things will carry on as what is called normal

[greybeard]

My only fear is that things will carry on as what is called normal

Yeah
I get bored too with Satus Quo.
Its all about evolution.
Im up for change.
Thanks for appearing here Swanny.
Chris

[Swanny]

It's a pleasure I like what you say :original:

[wynderer]

Hi Greybeard -- would you consider this music video to be fearmongering?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8KQmps-Sog

Peace & Freedom, wynderer

[greybeard]

[QUOTE=wynderer;255316]Hi Greybeard -- would you consider this music video to be fearmongering?

Nope I wouldn't great band.
The thread is only in relationship to this forum.
Im all for truth, its when something is presented as though it is true and it is only an assumption.
Pasted the words of the song below.

Regards Chris

The paranoia is in bloom, the PR
The transmissions will resume
They'll try to push drugs
Keep us all dumbed down and hope that
We will never see the truth around
(So come on!)

Another promise, another scene, another
A package not to keep us trapped in greed
With all the green belts wrapped around our minds
And endless red tape to keep the truth confined
(So come on!)

They will not force us
They will stop degrading us
They will not control us
We will be victorious

Interchanging mind control
Come let the revolution take its toll if you could
Flick the switch and open your third eye, you'd see that
We should never be afraid to die
(So come on!)

Rise up and take the power back, it's time that
The fat cats had a heart attack, you know that
Their time is coming to an end
We have to unify and watch our flag ascend

They will not force us
They will stop degrading us
They will not control us
We will be victorious

Hey .. hey ... hey .. hey!

They will not force us
They will stop degrading us
They will not control us
We will be victorious

Hey .. hey ... hey .. hey!

[wynderer]

thanks for posting the lyrics -- would like to add a correction --in verse 2 -- it's 'another packaged lie to keep us...' [sorry -- i did editorial proofreading for 5 yrs , & it's a habit]

Peace & Freedom, wynderer

[greybeard]

thanks for posting the lyrics -- would like to add a correction --in verse 2 -- it's 'another packaged lie to keep us...' [sorry -- i did editorial proofreading for 5 yrs , & it's a habit]

Peace & Freedom, wynderer

Yes I wondered I just pasted unaltered.
When you come across unedited proof on the forum. Clap your hands loudly. I want to hear it wynderer.

Sorry sorry my Scorpio humor got the better of me.
It would be a dull world with out idiots like me. I see the funny side of virtually everything.
An Eckhart quote. "Dont take your thoughts too seriously" Im trying honestly.

Chris

[Crow]

Im new to this forum, and just wanted to say well put!!

FEAR is the enemy. The PTB wield it like a sword and the challenge is to look past it and see what the world really is!!

Peace and Love

[greybeard]

Im new to this forum, and just wanted to say well put!!

FEAR is the enemy. The PTB wield it like a sword and the challenge is to look past it and see what the world really is!!

Peace and Love

:welcomeani:
Crow
Yes the world is at peace when we change our way of thinking.
Chris

[Shikasta]

Thank you Chris for starting this thread. It is a fine (imo!) example of how we in Avalon can communicate with an energy raised above the 'status quo'. Maybe when we focus so we, even imperceptably, raise the global energy level? Something to ponder on maybe?

Be well,

Graeme

[greybeard]

Thank you Chris for starting this thread. It is a fine (imo!) example of how we in Avalon can communicate with an energy raised above the 'status quo'. Maybe when we focus so we, even imperceptably, raise the global energy level? Something to ponder on maybe?

Be well,

Graeme

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJDNsJEnWqk

think you might enjoy this

Its a song looking for my wallet and car keys.

Chris

[Shikasta]

Thanks Chris...:mfr_lol:

All too many of us 'baby boomers' are becoming familiar with the reality of the lyrics in that Tom Rush. I laughed but with an undercurrent of discomfort and remembrance of those I meet for whom memory loss is oh so real.

Now where was I.....? hmmm.... oh well....

[greybeard]

Thanks Chris...:mfr_lol:

All too many of us 'baby boomers' are becoming familiar with the reality of the lyrics in that Tom Rush. I laughed but with an undercurrent of discomfort and remembrance of those I meet for whom memory loss is oh so real.

Now where was I.....? hmmm.... oh well....

I had a ran a residential home for the elderly for ten years and honestly those who actually had memory loss, even profound loss, coped very well. They were actually very peacfull on the whole. It was the relatives who had the problem, their elder was quite literally not there.

Life is as it is.

Regards Chris