The Bible, it's about Disclosure, Not Religion

[Norval]

The Bible, it's about Disclosure, Not Religion.

Let's just start with a few premises as many have all ready surmised or discovered.

1. That the ET's are the angels and fallen angels spoken of in the bibles.
2. That they are just like us in that some you would want for a neighbor, and some you wouldn't. (Ones you can't trust with your kids, cows, or anus.) It appears that sentient intelligent life has been created in several forms.

Most haven't read the bible, or if they have it has been with a "religious" attitude and ideology. There are about 20 (with 66 to 84 books in them) different english translations on my shelf and I have read them all cover to cover. Not to include all the research books and the American Bible Society's data base on my computers. Including many other researches in mythology, fairy tales, and yes, I even have the four books published by Fort on my shelf, besides the Voynich Manuscript with three images still not released
to the public.

My contacts include the US Gov. agencies, (several), and others, that have contacted and questioned me about my research. So I am not alone in what I have learned and the powers that be (ptb) are very interested in what I and others have learned about the bible's role in all of this UFO / ET stuff. The ptb do not want you to know that they got caught dancing with the devil, so to speak. Not just the government of the usa, but most of the big governments of the world are now aware of this problem. The ET's they have
been befriending are the fallen / bad angels. Kicked out of the heavens, and thrown down to the earth, by those good angels because they simply didn't want them for neighbors any more. So, about those ET's here amongst us, and below (underground bases, etc.), guess who came to dinner?

For the past seven years I have had a research partner, Gale, who is just as convinced as I am about these understandings of what the bible is really all about. From what I see of the disclosure movement, it has taken a turn to reveal weapons aboard these captured crashed craft. A new development. Also that some are now talking about a catastrophic event in our solar system, one that left destroyed structures all over the system. For the past seven years Gale and I have been researching and investigating specific anomalies of craters, comets and asteroids, and moons in our solar system. Research that NASA requested for review.

In Revelations we read of a Heavenly New Jerusalem coming to earth that is one thousand, five hundred miles big. Now that is a MOTHER ship that is a third the size of the moon.

Yes, the bible is real and gives the answers. But you don't have to get all religious about it. It's much more understandable if you don't. Some have said that the bible is very technologically advanced in some of its statements. From these questions and reading at 2nd Esdras Chapter 4, you will know that we are now responsible for our technological advancement to understand and answer the questions presented, because we can now
answer them. By the way, that book, 2nd Esdras, of the original King James Bible, was taken out of the bibles here in the usa, the most technologically advanced country of the time in the 1850's. No wonder why.

Just some food for thought. :original:

[omshanti2]

I wished I had somone before like you Norval to help me research, most of what I learned I found by myself, with a lot of help from above.
I would take key words/other reffereces to find more information, Its funny really, I've took a lot of stick from people and from my Brother who is an atheist, because of my belief, I still care about him though. Anyway, I told him one day, there is a code in the Bible but I cannot access it, he laughed at me. About 08.00 the following day, somone was banging the front door and it turned out to be my Brother, he said" have you seen the news paper" he said "look the Bible has a code in it" and he passed me a news paper and it read a code had been deciphered in the Bible, G-D moves in mysterious ways, that I do know.
I always knew there were missing pieces, but only by the grace of G-D did I get to know as much as I did and you have filled in some more of those missing pieces, it was a lonely path at times but well worth it. Thank you Norval, I am so grateful for the missing pieces and yet i know there is more to come.
Sorry Norval, I have got to remember not to take it in a religious context, its all those years of programming.

[arcora]

Thank you for saying what I have been thinking.

[John aka#404]

Ditto to all the above. very nice synopsis Norval.

-John aka#404

[motov]

Norval, ur my hero....hehe:biggrin2:

[THE eXchanger]

the bible, is a book,
a story if you will / in parables
some of it, is true
other parts of it, are false
take what works, and, discard the rest
do a dance, with its truth,
and, bury, its mistruths,
ask, and, it shall be given to you,
is a key of truth

there are a few others,
however, thumping a bible,
is NOT one of my favourite past times

on a humourous note...:mfr_lol:

it is ONE book, they never burned me with

there are other books,
they did burn me with,
just as others of us, were also burned with those "good books" to

and, i am positive,
they were the ones,
brimming with real truth
the old libraries of alexandria,
shall we go, and, remote view them together ???

shall we enter "the time_lines"
to extract, that which is lost, or is missing ???

shall we eXpose,
the things, that are in the bible,
that work / as, well, as the things that do NOT work

yes, i think so ... what a great topic !!!

brightest blessings
susan ~white lotus star
the eXchanger

[Frank Samuel]

Many important text that belong to the Bible has been hidden or worse burned, yes I believe the Bible has a lot of spiritual uplifting messages.
There's a lot of hidden symbols and messages, open for interpretation by the reader with the clear danger of misguided manipulation.
After years of researching the bible and other holy books I found a simple
but profound truth. That I could find all the answers by looking within, so I have done that . I encourage people to study the bible and to look within for the answers. ET's and UFO connections with the Bible, the essense of our spirit is Extra Terrestial meaning not of this world.
Formless energy originatting from the True Source of Love is what I call a spiritual being . Time as it is known here on Earth does not exits in the spiritual world. What I ask myself is how old is my spirit, what other worlds has my spirit visited. These questions brings my journey within into the True Dominion of Love and then I realize what ET, UFO's and the Bible have in common is all one and the same. We are talking about the same thing. For we are all one part of the whole traveling to different galaxies dimensions and periods of time. I find myself at my Father's bosoom asking why I am so far away from home, and my Father just laughs at me and tells me , you are home ! you and me are one and the same he tells me . We are all one part of the whole one and the same , for we are who we are , I am that I am a reflection of the True Source of Love.

[Norval]

This posting bears repeating here I think.

As a part of Project Avalon's Ground Crew building, this forum has afforded those of us that have made the bible / ET / UFO connection to come together and discuss a topic that has been shunned and disrupted in most other forums. This posting was made in the "Camelot's Books" area of the forum. It should probably be in the "Camelot Conspiracies" area of the forum. The primary goal of my posting is to show to others that they are not alone in trusting what the bible is really all about, and that, is the ET / UFO
connection.

Yes, one of the greatest Conspiracies is keeping the bible/UFO/ET connection secret.

Oooooopppssss :shocked: The rest of the story only gets better.
Those of us that "know" these things also know that there are those "that will never understand, even if you explain it to them in detail."

For those that have made the connection, also know, we tried. :trumpet:

It's a hell of a connection aint it. :original:

[THE eXchanger]

Oooooopppssss :shocked: The rest of the story only gets better. Those of us that "know" these things also know that there are those "that will never understand, even if you explain it to them in detail."
For those that have made the connection, also know, we tried. :trumpet:
It's a hell of a connection aint it. :original:

NORVAL...my good old friend :wub2:

There is NO TRY...there is only DO :flower2:

I think this process, of spilling my beans,
might be some seeds that will sprout !!!

have you ever invited someone to a party,
and, they told you, they would TRY to come,
in my experiences, they were a NO SHOW !!! :mfr_lol:

HELL is what you make it

for me, it is HEAVEN eXpressing Light & Love

we can mine, their bad words, for good meanings ;)

i am sure, there are some, even right NOW,
wishing me, to be "in hell"
however, my reality of "HELL" is much different,
so, if they will me to go to hell,
guess, where my reality lands me :)

eXactly, where i know to be

all is quite well...
in the "light-seed" section of avalon
come join us there...
eXplore and
follow the scent of ST.CLAiR off the main menu
all the posts there, are full of light

we are having interesting times
in that "new world"
we are creating with one another

will you come...and, join us there

all are welcome -

there is something there,
that is coming around...
The Round

brightest blessings
susan~the eXchanger

[Antaletriangle]

Quality posting Norval great research-i'd love to spend a few hours talking with you!Please keep it coming!

[100thmonkey]

I see the bible as having been put together from Egyptian and Sumerian/Babylonian beliefs, or at least the parts that relate to the topic at hand, ie. Nephilim/Watchers/Anunnaki, etc.

The jews were in captivity in both countries for a long time, and both countries are much older than ancient Israel.

Ever noticed how similar Adam and Atum are? The first creation, the land rising from the waters, naming all things, his enemy the serpent...?
...or how the Egyptian gods formed men out of the mud of the Nile and breathed into them the breath of life, and so on?
...or the Sumerian Epic of Gilgamesh with the story of a single man warned by the gods to build a boat and take animals on board, the world flooded and he eventually released doves to find land, etc.

I think all these stories have an essence of truth and that truth has been reflected in many cultures through history. The bible happens to be the version of that history that our culture has held onto.

The various PTB through history have used and abused it as the basis for their authority.

As for it's relevance to modern times, I think it's prophecies are being artificially fulfilled by the current PTB, who are following it's script.

[chechy]

I myself have that same theory. I am a christian and I believe in personal revelation. If you ponder and pray about what you read the Lord will give you a deeper understanting. James 1:5. After a lot of reading, praying and studing of the scriptures I came up with the same theory as you many years ago. I hope more people would search for the truth in the scriptures.

[Alcyone11]

Thank you, Norval.
You did a great job!
I guess this link gives quite a good summary:

http://www.vuur.tomaatnet.nl/e/x0.html

[gazbom]

The Bible, it's about Disclosure, Not Religion.

Let's just start with a few premises as many have all ready surmised or discovered.

1. That the ET's are the angels and fallen angels spoken of in the bibles.
2. That they are just like us in that some you would want for a neighbor, and some you wouldn't. (Ones you can't trust with your kids, cows, or anus.) It appears that sentient intelligent life has been created in several forms.

Most haven't read the bible, or if they have it has been with a "religious" attitude and ideology. There are about 20 (with 66 to 84 books in them) different english translations on my shelf and I have read them all cover to cover. Not to include all the research books and the American Bible Society's data base on my computers. Including many other researches in mythology, fairy tales, and yes, I even have the four books published by Fort on my shelf, besides the Voynich Manuscript with three images still not released
to the public.

My contacts include the US Gov. agencies, (several), and others, that have contacted and questioned me about my research. So I am not alone in what I have learned and the powers that be (ptb) are very interested in what I and others have learned about the bible's role in all of this UFO / ET stuff. The ptb do not want you to know that they got caught dancing with the devil, so to speak. Not just the government of the usa, but most of the big governments of the world are now aware of this problem. The ET's they have
been befriending are the fallen / bad angels. Kicked out of the heavens, and thrown down to the earth, by those good angels because they simply didn't want them for neighbors any more. So, about those ET's here amongst us, and below (underground bases, etc.), guess who came to dinner?

For the past seven years I have had a research partner, Gale, who is just as convinced as I am about these understandings of what the bible is really all about. From what I see of the disclosure movement, it has taken a turn to reveal weapons aboard these captured crashed craft. A new development. Also that some are now talking about a catastrophic event in our solar system, one that left destroyed structures all over the system. For the past seven years Gale and I have been researching and investigating specific anomalies of craters, comets and asteroids, and moons in our solar system. Research that NASA requested for review.

In Revelations we read of a Heavenly New Jerusalem coming to earth that is one thousand, five hundred miles big. Now that is a MOTHER ship that is a third the size of the moon.

Yes, the bible is real and gives the answers. But you don't have to get all religious about it. It's much more understandable if you don't. Some have said that the bible is very technologically advanced in some of its statements. From these questions and reading at 2nd Esdras Chapter 4, you will know that we are now responsible for our technological advancement to understand and answer the questions presented, because we can now
answer them. By the way, that book, 2nd Esdras, of the original King James Bible, was taken out of the bibles here in the usa, the most technologically advanced country of the time in the 1850's. No wonder why.

Just some food for thought. :original:
Hi,
Wow I've been thinking like this for years! Only when I discussed it with anyone of so called "Authority." I was ridiculed or laughed at, I have studied the Bible with Jehovah's witnesses, I have been baptized, been to all kinds of churches, looking for answers but I always thought I was missing the point somehow!
Jesus said at the end times look to the sky's for the answer, strange thing to say but it seems recently everybody is looking to the sky's.
I would just love to discuss this with you further.
The Jehovah's believe Jesus took over control of Heaven around 1914 and the devil was thrown to Earth, I have always believed this could have something to do with that comet that crashed in Russia around that time, I will look it up for you!
Hey thanks for this, I was beginning to think I was mad.

[gazbom]

The Bible, it's about Disclosure, Not Religion.

Let's just start with a few premises as many have all ready surmised or discovered.

1. That the ET's are the angels and fallen angels spoken of in the bibles.
2. That they are just like us in that some you would want for a neighbor, and some you wouldn't. (Ones you can't trust with your kids, cows, or anus.) It appears that sentient intelligent life has been created in several forms.

Most haven't read the bible, or if they have it has been with a "religious" attitude and ideology. There are about 20 (with 66 to 84 books in them) different English translations on my shelf and I have read them all cover to cover. Not to include all the research books and the American Bible Society's data base on my computers. Including many other researches in mythology, fairy tales, and yes, I even have the four books published by Fort on my shelf, besides the Voynich Manuscript with three images still not released
to the public.

My contacts include the US Gov. agencies, (several), and others, that have contacted and questioned me about my research. So I am not alone in what I have learned and the powers that be (ptb) are very interested in what I and others have learned about the bible's role in all of this UFO / ET stuff. The ptb do not want you to know that they got caught dancing with the devil, so to speak. Not just the government of the usa, but most of the big governments of the world are now aware of this problem. The ET's they have
been befriending are the fallen / bad angels. Kicked out of the heavens, and thrown down to the earth, by those good angels because they simply didn't want them for neighbors any more. So, about those ET's here amongst us, and below (underground bases, etc.), guess who came to dinner?

For the past seven years I have had a research partner, Gale, who is just as convinced as I am about these understandings of what the bible is really all about. From what I see of the disclosure movement, it has taken a turn to reveal weapons aboard these captured crashed craft. A new development. Also that some are now talking about a catastrophic event in our solar system, one that left destroyed structures all over the system. For the past seven years Gale and I have been researching and investigating specific anomalies of craters, comets and asteroids, and moons in our solar system. Research that NASA requested for review.

In Revelations we read of a Heavenly New Jerusalem coming to earth that is one thousand, five hundred miles big. Now that is a MOTHER ship that is a third the size of the moon.

Yes, the bible is real and gives the answers. But you don't have to get all religious about it. It's much more understandable if you don't. Some have said that the bible is very technologically advanced in some of its statements. From these questions and reading at 2nd Esdras Chapter 4, you will know that we are now responsible for our technological advancement to understand and answer the questions presented, because we can now
answer them. By the way, that book, 2nd Esdras, of the original King James Bible, was taken out of the bibles here in the usa, the most technologically advanced country of the time in the 1850's. No wonder why.

Just some food for thought. :original:
Hi Norval,
Here it is, the moment the devil was thrown to earth, in my humble opinion of course!
Scientist: UFO caused 1908 Siberia blast
Agence France Presse - 8/23/2004

go to original article | fair use notice

A Russian scientist has reopened the controversy over a gigantic explosion in 1908 in Siberia with a claim that he has found debris from an extraterrestrial space vehicle, or UFO, which collided with a comet.


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Great 1908 Siberian explosion: UFO meets comet?

Sun Aug 22, 7:03 PM ET


MOSCOW (AFP) - A Russian scientist has reopened the controversy over a gigantic explosion in 1908 in Siberia with a claim that he has found debris from an extraterrestrial space vehicle, or UFO, which collided with a comet.

On June 30, 1908 a colossal flash lit up the sky over Siberia, followed by an explosion with the power of a thousand atom bombs. It obliterated the taiga (forest) for hundreds of square kilometres (miles) in the basin of the river Podkamennaya Tunguska in the Krasnoyarsk region.

People living in the villages of Siberia thought there had been an earthquake. Humans and animals were thrown to the ground by the shockwave, windows were blown in.

No meteorite debris was found and scientists conclude that the core of a comet or an asteroid had exploded.

Researcher Yuri Lavbin has spent 12 years researching the mystery of the "Tunguska meteorite" and believes he has found the key to one of the great scientific enigmas of the last century, though many scientists remain sceptical.

He is president of the "Tunguska Spatial Phenomenon" Foundation in Krasnoyarsk, made up of some 15 enthusiasts, among them geologists, chemists, physicists and mineralogists, who have been organising regular expeditions to the area since 1994.

Lavbin's theory is that a comet and a mysterious flying machine collided 10 kilometres (six miles) above the earth's surface causing the explosion.

He and his team say that on an expedition to the Podkamannaya Tunguska river in July they found, between two villages, two strange black stones in the form of regular cubes with their sides measuring a metre and half (five feet).

These stones "are manifestly not of natural origin" Lavbin says. They appear to have been fired and "their material recalls an alloy used to make space rockets, while at the beginning of the 20th century only planes made of plywood existed"

He claims that the cubes are the remains of a flying machine, perhaps an extraterrestrial spaceship, while admitting that an analysis of the stones has yet to be undertaken.

He found something else: a huge white stone "the size of a peasant's hut" stuck in the top of a crag in the middle of the devastated forest.

"Local people call it the 'reindeer stone'. It is made of a crystalline matter which is not typical of this region" Lavbin said. He suggests it is part of the core of a comet.

The scientific establishment is not convinced.

"There are plenty of amateurs who organise trips to the site of the Tunguska cataclysm" said Anna Skripnik of the meteorites committee of the Academy of Sciences.

"In Siberia where oil geologists regularly work you can find a heap of fragments of various machines"

Lavbin is not deterred. He produces satellite photos of the region to back his theory which show the "footprints" of the spaceship (long marshes and lakes) and of the comet (devastated forests, charred trees and smashed rocks).

Not to mention a crater 500 metres (yards) across.
Here is a link to original source although there are pages on the subject.
http://www.ufoevidence.org/news/article136.htm
I haven't had time to find reliable witness account's but I have researched it myself and all the witnesses say it came down to earth very slowly and exploded above the ground! Comet's don't travel slowly or explode above the ground!
Very interesting of course, the first world war broke out shortly afterward!

[100thmonkey]

gazbom there are alternative theories that fit with your evidence here aswell:
http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc479.htm
http://www.astrologycom.com/yakutia1.html
Maybe it's another thread though.

[gazbom]

gazbom there are alternative theories that fit with your evidence here aswell:
http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc479.htm
http://www.astrologycom.com/yakutia1.html
Maybe it's another thread though.
Thanks 100thmonkey, I didn't know this.
And it's really interesting!

[AndyH]

It's quite possible that there may be more to the bible than meets the eye.
However, this book has been translated again and again, interpreted again and again and of course..there's what went on at the council of nicea.
This was all far too long ago for anyone to know for certain.
I find it interesting for sure.

[JSErwine]

I find it interesting how many seekers paths have lead to the bible, I know it has for me.

I have just begun to look for answers in scripture, and from the very first sentence I have found connections.

Building your home on foundations of sand.

Men choaking on their silver and gold.

Whats realy twisting my mind at the moment is the whole god is spirit, the spirit resides in Christ, so Christ is god, then christ washing the feat of the desciples to show our equality to god.

[utarion]

something that is more astounding is this. What do you think the scripture is talking about????
Mark 13:27
And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens.

[majorlee]

the bible has a lot of truths within it, it can also be mis-interepted and has lost original meanings down the years of time and translations

funny you should mention about the bible/UFO/ET corolation

in the book 'intelligent design' there are many references with the bible and the ET's and could be more to the truth than we know or want to accept

take some time to read it, see if it makes sense to you?

http://rael.org/download.php?view.1

it can be downloaded for free above

hope you enjoy the experience

love x

[OceanWinds]

nice post Norval... :thumb_yello::thumb_yello:

[hbmjr3]

It would make sense if true. Good thread:original:

[SteveSega]

Norval, (great post btw) it is not just Revelation that states this. Daniel states several times that those from heaven will come to earth in the last days. Daniel speaks about 4 "beasts" (governments) that will rule the earth from his time until the end. Revelation speaks of only 1 "beast". The first 2 "beasts" were Babylon and Medo-Persia. We know from history that the next 2 were the Greek/Macedonia rule, followed by the Romans. The Beast of Revelation has 10 horns on its head, with a crown on each horn to signify a major rule of that government. We know Hitler claimed to be the "Third Reich", who was the first?

The first "Reich" was Chalemange (aka "the Butcher"). He was the first non-Roman ruler of the Roman Empire, thus the title of "Reich" was appointed to him by the Pope of the time. The Catholic Church is called the "woman" that basically rides the beast in Revelation 17 (also called the "little horn" between the 3rd and 4th horns by Daniel).

While in Revelation 17, check out verse 9. This is the mystery of why the "beast" in Revelation has 7 heads (Daniel never mentioned the number of heads besides the one with 10 horns), it states the the 7 heads are 7 hills. Rome is called the city of 7 hills. It follows up by saying that the "woman" will always reside there, but it does not say that the beast will always be there.

Hitler also marked the 9th time the "beast" has come into major power. The NWO is going to be the 10th. The time of microchips and other controls are going to be the worst time in man's history. The Holocaust of WW2 was really bad, but it will seem like a picnic by the time this rule is over. Thankfully it states that the time will not last as long. All of the pyramids show the same thing, and the NWO should take over soon for about 3.5 years before the end of this era.

[SteveSega]

Religion is a bad thing even according to the Bible. The Beast of Revelation (Revelation 13) and the "woman" that rides the Beast (Revelation 17) are the always changing Roman Empire and the Catholic Church. We are to avoid the Beast and that "woman" (church) at all costs. It was given the power of deception (Revelation 13:2) from the "dragon" who is called Satan (Revelation 12:9).

Has anyone noticed how the Catholic Church has been gaining strength over the last 2 decades or so? Recently Pope Benedict XVI actually asked France to fall under the rule of the Catholic Church once again. The saddest part is that they are actually considering it. Now Tony Blair is trying to get England back to being Catholic as well. Revelation 17 says that the "woman" of the Beast will call her "harlots" back in the Last Days. Now it is actually happening. Nearly all of the former Catholic countries will go back to the church. Project Blue Beam will be a major step in that direction.

Sources:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080912/wl_afp/francepopereligion;_ylt=AhHFcAluUFRMLDY.21v36jZvaA 8F

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080920/wl_uk_afp/usbritainpoliticsreligionpeopleeducationblair;_ylt =AmQnaCsqGsWpplaNaY9C9HZvaA8F

[Gale]

Hello Gazbom
It is interesting you should mention the Siberia explosion. I found some very interesting articles in the Nexis Magazine and the ForteanTimes. These articles mention a foreign in-ground mechanism that responds to incoming asteroids or threats to Earth/Mankind. What I find very odd is Charles Fort fails to mention this in his writings.

[Norval]

At the request of several posters in here, and privately, we present the following.

The Calling, yes, there is a reason many are looking.

When the bible speaks of, or about the Holy Ones, Saints, The Elect, Chosen, and The Calling or Called Ones, besides other names to muddy the waters, you must remember that not all are called. It reads that "many" are called, but not all.

So what is this calling that it talks about? First let's ask ourselves what makes mankind so valuable that there is a "calling"? Were we not "created" in the image and likeness of our creators? Some may translate that to mean created with the same attributes and qualities of our creators. Over the generations mankind has managed to discover many things about our true nature along with the ability to learn very fast. After all, our life span was originally "forever". Then cut down to just under a thousand years. Well that got cut in half to about 520 years, yet that wasn't enough to keep us from learning who, what and why we're here and were created in the first place. We get whacked with a couple more genetic alterations that take us to about 120 years, and finally to what we have today of 70 - 80 years. Still the truth becomes known even in the face of such adversarial forces. Not too bad for mankind I would say, we were created with some amazing tenacity for wanting to know the truth. Which takes us back to the Calling of us valuable humans.

The Calling is an invitation to become one of those that "will judge angels". That is a Calling that carries with it a formidable responsibility. But, even though there are "many" with the calling or that have been called, few will get "chosen". Not many make the grade so to say. Not many will go out there and become arbitrators and teachers, representatives of the ruler of the universe. Judging ET's. What? Did you think we were going to judge those cute little cherubs about their harp playing? Even if all of mankind tthat has ever lived and died, were to be resurrected, brought back to life and given that job, we would have over 10,000 galaxies each to help keep the peace. Want a job? One that can really make a big difference in many ways for the good of all, out there?

Well, so much for the calling, (as the room empties), didn't we tell them not to post the requirements and training till after the presentation? Not to worry, the tests are the same for everybody, man and woman, it's just the "scenery" that is different. Our personal skills in things like integrity, honor, justness, fairness, being a good neighbor are what was, or is, being tested. Unfortunately, it does say that "few" get chosen. There were two thirds of those angels / ET's out there that wanted the human race to continue and succeed in what they were created for amongst them. There were a third that didn't want mankind for their intended purpose and demanded that we be handed over for "testing" after our creation.

With the end of that testing period ominously close the leader of that breakaway faction got his butt kicked and tossed out of "heaven" and down to the earth. Not a good thing for those with the Calling let alone those of the Chosen Ones still alive. The buck stops with the father of the lie, there is your last stop in the line of leadership of all those that seemingly control prison planet earth. Wanting these Called Ones found, "her seed", for very devious reasons is the primary goal of the hierarchy of the ET's down here at this time. Which also makes it the highest priority of certain governing agencies of world powers. Probably, without their knowledge.

It is written that a third of mankind will be brought through the fire. This is taken to mean that two thirds of mankind will not survive what is coming. If you could read the hearts of every man, woman, and child, how many of them, today, would you want for a neighbor? Tough call, but some have to make it, or are even capable of making it. Yes, it does say that we shall not kill, but read the next couple of pages and read where it is required to kill.

Now about those that are of the Chosen Ones. There are two groups mentioned when our King returns that are "taken up" to meet our returning King. One group are those that are alive at the time of his return that have made it through the tests of The Called Ones and are Chosen. Together with the second group they are "taken up". Here is where it starts to get really interesting. Together with the ones that were Chosen, and had died. Just as we can restore our computers by reloading all of it's programing after repairing it, "the resurrection" is a just a bit more complicated. (Now that's an understatement.)

This is what is also referred to as the 144,000, the "first fruits" of a harvest. In all of my researching of religions and what they knew, or had learned, only one knew and had done alot of research on the topic. But what they failed to teach was the rest of the story that tells us that the 144,000 are only the "first fruits" of a HARVEST. That means there are many, many more Called Ones just waking up to the bible/ET connection. Those that make this Calling assured for themselves will get Chosen in the harvest.

There is much more to unraveling this conspiracy of secrecy around why we were created, and who these very bad, lying, deceiving, slanderous ET's, (that are no longer wanted anywhere in the "heavens"), who got their butts kicked, and thrown down here, that want us dead. This good news of the Kingdom is about the Government of the Galaxies and why we were created. The great news is because we can now make the connection and comprehend what this has all been about and for.

No, I don't know everything, we don't know everything, but we are learning more every day about what is truly unfolding in our time period. Yes, it is a lengthy post, but I hope it helps to shed more light on a subject that has taken me several decades to put together. The last seven years with Gale as my co-investigator in searching for the signs of the heavens is another conspiracy thread in the making.

Thank you all for your responses, we are learning too.

[gazbom]

At the request of several posters in here, and privately, we present the following.

The Calling, yes, there is a reason many are looking.

When the bible speaks of, or about the Holy Ones, Saints, The Elect, Chosen, and The Calling or Called Ones, besides other names to muddy the waters, you must remember that not all are called. It reads that "many" are called, but not all.

So what is this calling that it talks about? First let's ask ourselves what makes mankind so valuable that there is a "calling"? Were we not "created" in the image and likeness of our creators? Some may translate that to mean created with the same attributes and qualities of our creators. Over the generations mankind has managed to discover many things about our true nature along with the ability to learn very fast. After all, our life span was originally "forever". Then cut down to just under a thousand years. Well that got cut in half to about 520 years, yet that wasn't enough to keep us from learning who, what and why we're here and were created in the first place. We get whacked with a couple more genetic alterations that take us to about 120 years, and finally to what we have today of 70 - 80 years. Still the truth becomes known even in the face of such adversarial forces. Not too bad for mankind I would say, we were created with some amazing tenacity for wanting to know the truth. Which takes us back to the Calling of us valuable humans.

The Calling is an invitation to become one of those that "will judge angels". That is a Calling that carries with it a formidable responsibility. But, even though there are "many" with the calling or that have been called, few will get "chosen". Not many make the grade so to say. Not many will go out there and become arbitrators and teachers, representatives of the ruler of the universe. Judging ET's. What? Did you think we were going to judge those cute little cherubs about their harp playing? Even if all of mankind tthat has ever lived and died, were to be resurrected, brought back to life and given that job, we would have over 10,000 galaxies each to help keep the peace. Want a job? One that can really make a big difference in many ways for the good of all, out there?

Well, so much for the calling, (as the room empties), didn't we tell them not to post the requirements and training till after the presentation? Not to worry, the tests are the same for everybody, man and woman, it's just the "scenery" that is different. Our personal skills in things like integrity, honor, justness, fairness, being a good neighbor are what was, or is, being tested. Unfortunately, it does say that "few" get chosen. There were two thirds of those angels / ET's out there that wanted the human race to continue and succeed in what they were created for amongst them. There were a third that didn't want mankind for their intended purpose and demanded that we be handed over for "testing" after our creation.

With the end of that testing period ominously close the leader of that breakaway faction got his butt kicked and tossed out of "heaven" and down to the earth. Not a good thing for those with the Calling let alone those of the Chosen Ones still alive. The buck stops with the father of the lie, there is your last stop in the line of leadership of all those that seemingly control prison planet earth. Wanting these Called Ones found, "her seed", for very devious reasons is the primary goal of the hierarchy of the ET's down here at this time. Which also makes it the highest priority of certain governing agencies of world powers. Probably, without their knowledge.

It is written that a third of mankind will be brought through the fire. This is taken to mean that two thirds of mankind will not survive what is coming. If you could read the hearts of every man, woman, and child, how many of them, today, would you want for a neighbor? Tough call, but some have to make it, or are even capable of making it. Yes, it does say that we shall not kill, but read the next couple of pages and read where it is required to kill.

Now about those that are of the Chosen Ones. There are two groups mentioned when our King returns that are "taken up" to meet our returning King. One group are those that are alive at the time of his return that have made it through the tests of The Called Ones and are Chosen. Together with the second group they are "taken up". Here is where it starts to get really interesting. Together with the ones that were Chosen, and had died. Just as we can restore our computers by reloading all of it's programing after repairing it, "the resurrection" is a just a bit more complicated. (Now that's an understatement.)

This is what is also referred to as the 144,000, the "first fruits" of a harvest. In all of my researching of religions and what they knew, or had learned, only one knew and had done alot of research on the topic. But what they failed to teach was the rest of the story that tells us that the 144,000 are only the "first fruits" of a HARVEST. That means there are many, many more Called Ones just waking up to the bible/ET connection. Those that make this Calling assured for themselves will get Chosen in the harvest.

There is much more to unraveling this conspiracy of secrecy around why we were created, and who these very bad, lying, deceiving, slanderous ET's, (that are no longer wanted anywhere in the "heavens"), who got their butts kicked, and thrown down here, that want us dead. This good news of the Kingdom is about the Government of the Galaxies and why we were created. The great news is because we can now make the connection and comprehend what this has all been about and for.

No, I don't know everything, we don't know everything, but we are learning more every day about what is truly unfolding in our time period. Yes, it is a lengthy post, but I hope it helps to shed more light on a subject that has taken me several decades to put together. The last seven years with Gale as my co-investigator in searching for the signs of the heavens is another conspiracy thread in the making.

Thank you all for your responses, we are learning too.
I think this is so refreshing to hear, (although it's all doom and gloom!)
The governments are not the only group being deceived by the devil, religion its self has been massively manipulated, here are a few examples.
The Christian church constantly tell us if we are good we will go to Heaven, that is a lie! Only the 144,000 will go to heaven, how do I know this? because it says so in the Bible!
The church tells us sinners will burn in Hell forever, that's another lie, we inherited sin, so everybody is a sinner, it's part of our DNA if you like, Hell, translated, I think from Hebrew, I'm not sure means grave. Hell as a burning nightmare doesn't actually exist and no where in the Bible does it say if you are bad you will go to Hell!
Our human cells are designed to regenerate and repair when they become old or damaged, we should in fact live forever, scientists really don't know why we die.
We die because we are paying for our sins, and there is no consciousness, nothing, we will be dead, ashes to ashes dust to dust.
However there is hope for everyone because every person that ever lived will be brought back to life, exactly how this will be done I can't even begin to imagine but that's what's gonna happen.
We will all live on the Earth not in Heaven. Death will be a thing of the past and after a thousand years we will all be tested again by the devil.
If anybody is reading this and you think I'm a lunatic well I'm only quoting the Bible.

[Frank Samuel]

On a ligther note all this researched is making us go looney toon,:roftl:
Ah bidi,ah bidi, ah bidi that's all folks. BOOM!!! Lets enjoy life while we can !
Love and peace to you all:wub2::wub2::wub2: ET's :welcomeani:

[Norval]

Doom and Gloom? This all sounds quite refreshing to me, NO MORE BAD
NEIGHBORS ! ! ! We can all trust one another with our kids, cows, and anuses. Now that is a world and universe worth fighting for to live in. One where there are no more deceptions, deceivers, liars, and well, the kind you do not want for a neighbor. I will fight for such a world and universe. Just as I have fought through all the deceptions to learn these things.

When it comes to disclosure, the greatest harm is going to be from over reacting, from those that just can't accept what is happening and adjust to it. Many will fall back on "old teachings" that told truth, but were twisted to deceive.

If you carefully read what is posted, and your bibles, you will notice that the 144k are only "The First Fruits". The harvest goes to heaven also. Something "they" failed to comprehend. Millions, probably billions, from amongst mankind will eventually go out into the heavens. After all, that is why mankind was created, to go out there as representatives of the King of the Galaxies. Yes, many, many billions will "go to heaven", "IF" chosen.
There are other jobs in the heavens that mankind will also have. Asteroid mining anyone?

Look around at all the people you know. How many of them would you trust to be a "judge" to hear your plea of injustice? How many would Judge you impartially and honestly? How many? It seems the older we get the fewer there are.

The bible, with out religion. :winksmiley02:

[gazbom]

The bible, with out religion. :winksmiley02:[/QUOTE]
Yeah, you take it to a dimension I was never taught, or could even imagine!

[gazbom]

The bible, with out religion. :winksmiley02:
Yeah, you take it to a dimension I was never taught, or could even imagine![/QUOTE]
Hey Norval,
What are your thoughts on Mr and Mrs Weinland, who genuinely believe they are Gods final two witnesses?

[EpiphaMe]

Death, hell & the grave... sin (missing the mark/ignorance), knowledge/to know the one true (definition of what is eternal life... oops forgot just where that is in the bible).

That which is cast out of heaven is never to return.

Allegory, analogy, speaks w/2 eyes: inner spiritual enlightened sight and literal physical embodiment of ignorance, deception (sin). Is (Isis) Ra (sun) El (God) Israel (the chosen) is then understood & seen clearly two ways: literally & spiritually... can we see the ones fighting godly wars, obvious sun god worshipers, led by the written word, modern day religion). The spiritual "jew" (that which is inward) and the outward physical "jew" which is a deception. The physical is the veil that hides & divides. Notice that the halo is behind the head, can be seen as being a personification of the sun (son)... grave, sepulcre, tomb (the physical body, is transient, of the earth). Was not the "saviour" cast into hell?

Hebrew is an idiomatic language, cannot be translated into a classical language PERIOD. One Hebrew word may have from 3-10 different meanings depending on context, sometimes even opposing meanings. Whole thoughts, not words must therefore be translated. Of all the bibles you may have come across, have you ever seen The Holy Name bible...? Yah (verb "to be" signifies self-existent), the 2nd part, for example "weh", the breath (spirit, without shape & form) that which animates. "shua" son begotten.

Could that be You? The son, did he not "find himself "in the shape & form of a man?

These connections spoken of in this thread to ETs etc... is all good for entertainment is it not, and may run you around in circles but it's a lot of fun! But the bottom line, have you found "god" in your shape and form? Are you CONSCIOUS?

Something was shown to me recently, a clarity of Alien and ETs, it rings true. Aliens are physical beings, no matter what planet or star system, the archetype of this shape & form appears humanoid , legs, arms, trunk, head. ETs on the other hand are not physical... implying heirarchy. As above, so below.

I seem to think that what is cast out of heaven is the notion that we are some body. God is either eveything or nothing at all.... we don't really even exist, so to speak. Our essential self is what? ........... Anyone follow that thought?

Oh my, I've gotten off into a roll... think I'll put that roll in the oven, I haven't yet had breakfast.

[Norval]

What are your thoughts on Mr and Mrs Weinland, who genuinely believe they are Gods
final two witnesses?

Well, Gazbom, after some decades of research, and the past ten years on the net, I have
found hundreds that say they are the two witnesses. Trying to discover who they are in all
this muddy water would be a job. What I am sure of is that those chosen for that work,
are, or have, done it. From the actions of world leaders in governments, religions, and big
business, along with actions now being taken by the bad cast down ET's, I would say that
the two witnesses are doing their job, who ever they might be.

Hi EpiphaMe,
I would have to say that regardless of the shape or form of any sentient intelligent life
there are only two types.

1. Those you would want for a neighbor.

2. Those you don't want for a neighbor because you can't trust them with your kids,
cows, or anus.

And, we know from the bible that there are those that are not wanted any more in the
"heavens". Thrown down to earth, most crash landing, their small ships now captured by
the governments, defeated. Once one has a sound bases to guide them in this discovery
of learning the truth, like the bible, it opens up a whole new comprehension of "The Big
Picture".

[Frank Samuel]

The 144,000 is called the rapture. And physically speaking my friend
is not possible. some things in the bible if taken literal will make you laugh,
no disrespect. Lets say I died in the ocean and the fishes eat my body piece by piece. It is going to be a little hard to place it back together. There are some things which are spiritual in nature, not physical. I guess it is just me,
when talking about belief especially concerning the bible the koran or other holy books people tend to get a little rattle up. Hmm I wonder if the Buddhist are the same way. Peace and Love to you Novatel...:wub2::wub2::wub2::biggrin2:

[Mark]

I heard somewhere that Tunguska was in fact a nuclear bomb detination. I'm jut sorry that I can't remember where I read this...

[gazbom]

Hi, Norval,
How do you see Jesus in all of this?
He is going to come back like a thief in the night, 2,000 years ago he was here for thirty years before he started his mission, I have a theory that he is already here, what do you think?
Well it's not really a theory just an idea.

[Norval]

Hello Frank,
The 144,000 is called the rapture. And physically speaking my friend is not possible. some things in the bible if taken literal will make you laugh, no disrespect.

Well, no disrespect taken. I didn't write the bibles, I just read them.

Now concerning the so called "rapture" and the "taking up" of the Chosen (First Fruits). We are dealing with aliens (angels) with obvious technology beyond ours as demonstrated by many UFO incidents. So, "Beam me aboard Scotty", is not beyond my comprehension. :original:

The same can be said for "cloning" your body and uploading your collective experiences and memories into it. Have you had a "small scoop" of your DNA taken? As the bible says, and we can now comprehend and believe, that it is truly possible to "resurrect" the dead. And, thanks for the "love".

Mark,
Tunguska was in fact a nuclear bomb detination.

There are several reports of something like, or is in fact, radiation sickness in the area. :thumb_yello:

Well Gazbom, what do I think?
How do you see Jesus in all of this?
He is going to come back like a thief in the night, 2,000 years ago he was here for thirty years before he started his mission, I have a theory that he is already here, what do you think?
Well it's not really a theory just an idea.

Good idea I would say. There are "signs in the heavens", which is pretty much everything over our heads, so look up. The oddities in our solar system alone are such that one has to laugh at the assumption that this all "just happened". I would have to agree that Jesus is back, now crowned as King, and with an attitude. The destruction witnessed by astronomers in the late 1800's and early 1900's by astronomers can only be understood today.

Keep reading and rereading, the answers are in there, the Book, The Bible, it is about disclosure and the conspiracy to deceive you from knowing the truth.

[gazbom]

Hi Norval,
Do you think all this wonderful digital technology comes from the "goody" ET's, or the 'baddy" ET's?

[Norval]

Hi Norval,
Do you think all this wonderful digital technology comes from the "goody" ET's, or the 'baddy" ET's?

I will say that it comes from the ET's.

I myself am grateful. :original:

I can't wait to get access to the intergalactic net. I think it would be only truth of all knowledge. With out the BS and lies here on the web. :thumb_yello:

[Frank Samuel]

Noval you place your faith on the ET's. Have you met any in Person ? What is your evidence to think that they are friendly ? If history repeats itself, would that not be the same for these ET's. If I come from a dying planet and I came to Earth it would be easier to just take over the planet. Which I think is what the reptilians have done anyway. So whose is the enemy you say ?
I know there has to be somebody out there who can try and save this planet.
But from where I stand we the ET's you are staring at in the mirror are doing a pretty good job of destroying this planet. I thank you for your views. I have been a soldier for many yrs. and personally I hate to be taken advantage of. The reptilians and any other unfriendly ET's will not win.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news. Our spiritual developement plays a major role in learning how to interact with these species. You have the potential to move mountains with your faith, compassion, love and respect for others. Our spirit as humans is more powerful than any ET that wants to take over this planet. I am making my ground here in PR, and yes Noval we the human race will win. :welcomeani: ET's ,be careful what you wish for !!!

[Norval]

With the email I just got from Bill and Kerry, I may not be able to get you the rest of the story and how deep this Bible/UFO/ET connection goes. Sorry.

Norval L. Cunningham

[Stephen]

Norval, I believe this is only temporary so the staff here can catch their breath.

It should be back 'online' soon I would think!

When they started here they only had TWO experienced Moderators to work with.
They were working their buttocks off....

I am not 'happy' about this either but, I fully understand it.
The writing was on the wall for a while now...

[Norval]

And now yer one of them Mods Old Dood. Will be posting more to this thread now as a tie in to the other Bible / ET / UFO connection threads. :original:

[Norval]

The Bible, it's about Disclosure, Not Religion.

How can one know today that the bible was meant to be understood now?
Not fifty years ago, not a hundred years ago, not five hundred years ago, nor even a thousand
years ago could we have understood it's true meaning. Although we have stated it several times
that it is because of technology that we are able to comprehend the bibles real message we have
never stated why. No one has bothered to ask that question. Why do we think technology is the
answer to understanding the bibles true message?

One of the books of the bible we have mentioned, 2nd Esdras, gives the answer with questions.
If you can answer just one of the following questions asked over two thousand years ago then you
can be held accountable for comprehending the bibles message and about ETs.

The questions;
Can you measure fire?
Can you measure a blast of wind?
Can you call back a day that has gone by?

Well can you? :smoke:

[Norval]

Thats in 2nd Esdras, Chapter 4 by the way.

[zorgon]

The questions;
Can you measure fire?

I can measure its temperature, size of flames, estimated fuel remaining


Can you measure a blast of wind?

I can measure its speed direction strength temperature, damage potential


Can you call back a day that has gone by?

Working on this one... related to time lines :bleh: I'll get back to you

[zorgon]

All right then I have a few questions...

1) How many animals of each kind got on the Ark
2) How BIG was the Ark
3) How much food was on board
4) Was the Ark big enough to hold all that food and those animale?

and

5) Was the Ark in fact a huge space space just off Earth... where 1 'cubit' was based on 1 pegasus square which was a Sumerian Acre?

[zorgon]

With the email I just got from Bill and Kerry, I may not be able to get you the rest of the story and how deep this Bible/UFO/ET connection goes. Sorry.

Norval L. Cunningham

Put your story together and I will give it a home at Pegasus... then you can just point people to the page

[zorgon]

Hi Norval,
Do you think all this wonderful digital technology comes from the "goody" ET's, or the 'baddy" ET's?

The silicon chip was reverse engineered from Roswell.... we shot em down with a radar beam... I would say 'baddy' :bleh: The other ones we made a treaty with...

Or is it the other way around? :nono:

[Norval]

hmmmmmm
Thats in 2nd Esdras, Chapter 4 by the way.


The questions;
Can you measure fire?
Can you measure a blast of wind?
Can you call back a day that has gone by?

Well can you? :smoke:

Zorgon got two of them, and just being able to answer one, , , , , , ,

[omshanti2]

Question, can you call back a day that has gone by, is this video technology we are talking about ?, just a thought Norval, I never thought of it until now, am I still accountable if I am right.

[Norval]

Zorgon got the first two with those correct answers.
1. Weigh for me fire.
The most common method in use today to measure fire is with BTUs.
2. Measure for me a blast of wind.
Today that is done with an anemometer.
Thank you for those questions, but, the answers are "in the book". (Where's the unicorns?)
Thank you for the kind offer of a place on Pegasus.

Omshanti, The Final Winner ! ! !
3. Call back for me the day that is past.
Do you want that on VHS, or High Resolution DVD?
Any one that can answer at least one of the questions, you did answer the last one, is capable of
comprehending the things of the Most High, as it is written.

With our modern understanding of technology we can now answer those questions and others
that are asked from the bible. Things we just take for granted in our modern world. Yet those
questions that were asked in a simple 4,000 - 5,000 word language some 2,200 (or more) years
ago can only be answered in our modern time and only by technology. Only now would we be
able to comprehend things about ETs and their technologies.

Now we are held accountable for being able to understand who ETs really are.

[beauwalton@rocketmail.com]

Zorgon got the first two with those correct answers.
1. Weigh for me fire.
The most common method in use today to measure fire is with BTUs.
2. Measure for me a blast of wind.
Today that is done with an anemometer.
Thank you for those questions, but, the answers are "in the book". (Where's the unicorns?)
Thank you for the kind offer of a place on Pegasus.

Omshanti, The Final Winner ! ! !
3. Call back for me the day that is past.
Do you want that on VHS, or High Resolution DVD?
Any one that can answer at least one of the questions, you did answer the last one, is capable of
comprehending the things of the Most High, as it is written.

With our modern understanding of technology we can now answer those questions and others
that are asked from the bible. Things we just take for granted in our modern world. Yet those
questions that were asked in a simple 4,000 - 5,000 word language some 2,200 (or more) years
ago can only be answered in our modern time and only by technology. Only now would we be
able to comprehend things about ETs and their technologies.

Now we are held accountable for being able to understand who ETs really are.
Well done fellow's, I didn't get past scratching my head!

[beauwalton@rocketmail.com]

Well done fellow's, I didn't get past scratching my head!
However, it's all coming in a rush for me now, everything bad that has happened since Adam, is down to the bad ET's!

[zorgon]

DAGNABBIT :tongue2:

My mind set was on time lines and time travel... I should have put down what first popped into my head

Photo Album... I have so many photos on my Medieval site reliving past events...

Well now I see into your mind :thumb_yello:

[omshanti2]

Zorgon do I get the offer of a place on pegasus lol, only joshing ya.

[Norval]

Another part of the bible, ufo and ET connection with out religion.

The short bible book called Malachi.

As we approach this coming disclosure event by the Good ETs, our so called angels, and the very
King of the Universe will be here, there are maters to be considered by all. We would like to
present a short book of the bible called Malachi. It is only three pages long and is generally found
in the last of the old testament. We have mentioned it before. It gives forth a premise that presents
terms of an intergalactic importance. Think of it in terms of just due respect, honor, and humble
gratitude one would pay such a sentient intelligent being that created this entire universe we now
know of. But, that is only a suggestion. There is also a message in there for all that concerns a
heads up, or warning if you like.

As stated it is a very short three pages long and yet holds a profound message for today.
Call it Exopolitical if you will, or perhaps a note from Father to sons and daughters, respect due a
great King, Queen, President or Premier perhaps. Try to shift the wording into a more modern
idea with what we know about science and technology today.

The bible, it ain't about religion. :trumpet:

[omshanti2]

Hello again Norval, I just wanted to say, I only got that question right because you brought it into todays context, the truth is I would never have guessed it otherwise, firstly because I lack confidence, secondly because I had always looked at it religiously. However, I have walked away from church after church because I wasn't satisfied with answers I was given, concerning things that I read in the Bible, and did not make sence to me, it is only now, since you came along I sort of understand the Good Book. The truth is, even now, I don't know what it is I am supposed to be doing, due to all the disinformation I have been fed, and I am angry to be honest. The one thing that I look at to be a guide for me, is know them by their fruits.
Malachi is the name of my nephew, I will read it, as I have looked at the other parts you have pointed out, I will be glad for the truth, because all my life has been a torment, loving Jesus and not knowing if what I am doing is right or wrong, if I am worthy to speak to him or not, as I said I am not perfect, but I tryed, and still do. Thank you for the enlightenment, perhaps now I can read the Bible and it will make sence.

[beauwalton@rocketmail.com]

Hello again Norval, I just wanted to say, I only got that question right because you brought it into todays context, the truth is I would never have guessed it otherwise, firstly because I lack confidence, secondly because I had always looked at it religiously. However, I have walked away from church after church because I wasn't satisfied with answers I was given, concerning things that I read in the Bible, and did not make sence to me, it is only now, since you came along I sort of understand the Good Book. The truth is, even now, I don't know what it is I am supposed to be doing, due to all the disinformation I have been fed, and I am angry to be honest. The one thing that I look at to be a guide for me, is know them by their fruits.
Malachi is the name of my nephew, I will read it, as I have looked at the other parts you have pointed out, I will be glad for the truth, because all my life has been a torment, loving Jesus and not knowing if what I am doing is right or wrong, if I am worthy to speak to him or not, as I said I am not perfect, but I tryed, and still do. Thank you for the enlightenment, perhaps now I can read the Bible and it will make sence.
I had the same experience Omshanti, I had to push my self to go to church on Sunday's, my heart was saying don't go it's wrong, I used to feel so guilty, I thought I was unworthy, now since I read Norval's threads everything falls into place.

[Norval]

These are some tips on how to read the religionized wording of the bibles.

When you see this; GOD, LORD all in caps it was his name YHWH, or what his name means,
Creator. Try using the name, as you feel you should pronounce it, or the term Creator, for more
meaning of a sentence. (Take out "the" in front of it as a name usage.)
The term LORD of Hosts would mean Creator of Peoples.

Worship; can mean just due honor, not groveling at ones feet.

Fear; can mean just due respect, respectfulness.

Priests would mean representatives of his.

The idea is to read out the religionese of the churches translators as much as possible.
Try to bring these simple words of over two thousand years ago into modern context in the light
of sociology and exopolitical views. In light of what we all know now about the ETs and UFO
and all this other stuff. But who will be ready to "Meet their Maker?", woah. The very King of this
entire Universe is coming to this planet in what we call the Sol system of the what we call the
Milky Way galaxy. Now that gives me the warm fuzziness and the incredible feeling of ; well, let's
just say that they are quite the mixture of feelings at this realization for all concerned.

[arcora]

What form of government could be better than an incorruptible truly benevolent monarch?

Welcome.

:trumpet:

[Norval]

Very true Arcora, , King Jesus has my CONFIDENCE.
Norval L. Cunningham

[omshanti2]

beauwalton@rocketmail.com, I can remember going to church one Sunday, and I was sat there screaming inside, I wanted to get up and say, what about this, and what about that, what does it mean, but I never had the confidence to challenge them, and to be honest, when I had some experiences of my own and approached the church, it wasn't resolved and I was none the wiser as to what was happening to me or my family.
Norval when did you find out the truth ?, what made you share it with us?, and who else knew the truth?, by the way, I have read Malachi, but I don't understand it yet, I will read it again though. Also when I was looking at your other posts, as I do, I noticed in your thread, calm down,and read it, you passed a comment "basic information before leaveing Earth", what did you mean by that comment ?, I don't know if you can give me an answer, if you cannot, no worries, you have shared allot with us already.
The more I think about how many people have been decieved, including my parents, makes me angry, not to mention all those that have suffered to bring the truth, and yes it will be a breath of fresh air to have the truth for a change.
How do we know who the bad ETs are?, do they know who they are?, is it just us Humans that have been kept in the dark for so long?, what can be done to limit their source of power?, I know calling on the name of Jesus works, I have done this, but how can we help if we can, because I mean it has been how long that we have been duped into following lies and deception, could we know the enemy for they have been among us for a while now haven't they?.
I know Jesus says, shut up your chambers, when he comes, but is there anything else we are to do?.

[beauwalton@rocketmail.com]

beauwalton@rocketmail.com, I can remember going to church one Sunday, and I was sat there screaming inside, I wanted to get up and say, what about this, and what about that, what does it mean, but I never had the confidence to challenge them, and to be honest, when I had some experiences of my own and approached the church, it wasn't resolved and I was none the wiser as to what was happening to me or my family.
Norval when did you find out the truth ?, what made you share it with us?, and who else knew the truth?, by the way, I have read Malachi, but I don't understand it yet, I will read it again though. Also when I was looking at your other posts, as I do, I noticed in your thread, calm down,and read it, you passed a comment "basic information before leaveing Earth", what did you mean by that comment ?, I don't know if you can give me an answer, if you cannot, no worries, you have shared allot with us already.
The more I think about how many people have been decieved, including my parents, makes me angry, not to mention all those that have suffered to bring the truth, and yes it will be a breath of fresh air to have the truth for a change.
How do we know who the bad ETs are?, do they know who they are?, is it just us Humans that have been kept in the dark for so long?, what can be done to limit their source of power?, I know calling on the name of Jesus works, I have done this, but how can we help if we can, because I mean it has been how long that we have been duped into following lies and deception, could we know the enemy for they have been among us for a while now haven't they?.
I know Jesus says, shut up your chambers, when he comes, but is there anything else we are to do?.
I used to think the elders where looking at me and thinking, what is "HE" doing here!
Norval, I know you don't know the true answer to my next question but in your opinion how far into, A Revelation to John do you think we are? Its a serious question because billions of us will die!

[sfth13]

I used to think the elders where looking at me and thinking, what is "HE" doing here!
Norval, I know you don't know the true answer to my next question but in your opinion how far into, A Revelation to John do you think we are? Its a serious question because billions of us will die!

That's a great question that I have been thinking about ever since reading these threads and others by Norval. I've also noticed many changes in myself that just makes me feel like we are nearing something, and for some reason my body is cleanseing itself... sounds wierd but true. lol

[Norval]

I will be responding soon, and yes, we can answer those questions. It was a long night, and today I have to respond with doom and gloom for some, and great news for others. :sad: :original:

[capreycorn]

great findings norval,
good to know that
you`re also not normal.

when i was younger,
i was more bold;
but the others were stronger
i was often told:
"the bible needs not be analyzed!"
i still had my own views
there were things which i realized
so i told "them" the "news"
and got this answer from the believers:
"you`re the tool of the devil!"
"beware it`s the great deceiver!"
i thought i was evil.

soon, i didn`t dare
any more to share
any vision or belief
i felt like a "thief".

i became a weird bloke
who told "truth" as joke
but some began to realize
to their own surprise,
that there was more
so i became a bore.

my situation is still
very complex and delicate
"Mc Inquisition" won`t kill
but won`t hesitate to tell
that i`m satan`s advocate
that i`ll be going to hell!

it sucks to live amidst "catholics"
maybe one day
i`ll just give up
and join the CIA
(the "Catholic Irish Alcoholics")


CHEERS! :-)

[777 The Great Work]

Are you saying that the entire bible is about disclosure?
The bible is one of the greatest esoteric works that ever came out of the mind of man. It was never meant to be understood by those that wanted to get their feet wet spiritually. It was written for initiates by initiates.
Its a seven layered cake of extreme power.

I agree with you about the galactic info that it posess but thats not all that it conceals.
In the inner circles of knowledge , one of the terms for the feminine attribute of wisdom is the fig tree.If you've ever picked figs you are aware that you have to reach underneath the leaves for the fruit.

The fruit is underneath the leaves of the bible's pages,just as a woman conceals her sacred parts from those that are deemed unworthy.

You know whats really funny is that all the wars over religion have not been fought because of what these sacred text mean. The wars have been fought to keep their true meaning hidden.

Here's a peak - Genesis chapter 2 verse 21 says
And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he
took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead there of; 22 And the
rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her
unto the man.

Below you will find today's language for the same event

Normally Atoms are nuetral and have no charge(Sleep).
However in order to gain stability, they will sacrifice their neutrality by
either losing one or more of its outermost electrons(rib) thus becomming a
positive ion(Adam), or they will gain one or more electrons thus becomming a
negative ion Eve. Once this has happened then the resulting charged atoms
will attract each other.
This is an example of ADAM"S POWER when he is split. Just imagine if he wasn't.

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[omshanti2]

Hello 777 The Great Work, I thought Genesis Chapter 2:21 was referring to Genetic Engineering, or is this just another layer.
What would happen if Adam was not separated?, are you talking about, Adam the physical, chemical, spiritual, alchemy, Electrical or other. Sorry, I am tryng to understand what you are saying, I am genuinely interested, and when you say an initiate, do you mean an initiate in esoteric, or an initiate in some chosen field of work?.

[777 The Great Work]

Hello 777 The Great Work, I thought Genesis Chapter 2:21 was referring to Genetic Engineering, or is this just another layer.
What would happen if Adam was not separated?, are you talking about, Adam the physical, chemical, spiritual, alchemy, Electrical or other. Sorry, I am tryng to understand what you are saying, I am genuinely interested, and when you say an initiate, do you mean an initiate in esoteric, or an initiate in some chosen field of work?.

I apologize, for not being clear. Yes an initiate into the mystery schools and you are correct it is another layer of the text. The biggest secret about the bible is that you are the main character and most of all the other characters are just divine and animal attributes of you. The other well kept secret is that we used to be ANDROGYNOUS and someone came and changed that. They split the atom

The alchemical transformation unites the positive and negative ions and the body is transformed into a powerful being of light and opens up the book of life which is the 64 stations in the DNA sequence and 12 strands.

The initiate unites the ions by completely overcomming polarity thinking. In other words we can't look at names or think in terms of dark and light and all the other outward responses that we have been taught as in regards to polarity. So the illuminati is fiction. So the true nuclear war as in nucleus is at the subatomic level. Its all about perception. There is no Crisis. The propaganda is to keep us in polarity thinking and ignore the new energy thats here and acessible.

[Gale]

beauwalton@rocketmail.com, I can remember going to church one Sunday, and I was sat there screaming inside, I wanted to get up and say, what about this, and what about that, what does it mean, but I never had the confidence to challenge them, and to be honest, when I had some experiences of my own and approached the church, it wasn't resolved and I was none the wiser as to what was happening to me or my family.
Norval when did you find out the truth ?, what made you share it with us?, and who else knew the truth?, by the way, I have read Malachi, but I don't understand it yet, I will read it again though. Also when I was looking at your other posts, as I do, I noticed in your thread, calm down,and read it, you passed a comment "basic information before leaveing Earth", what did you mean by that comment ?, I don't know if you can give me an answer, if you cannot, no worries, you have shared allot with us already.
The more I think about how many people have been decieved, including my parents, makes me angry, not to mention all those that have suffered to bring the truth, and yes it will be a breath of fresh air to have the truth for a change.
How do we know who the bad ETs are?, do they know who they are?, is it just us Humans that have been kept in the dark for so long?, what can be done to limit their source of power?, I know calling on the name of Jesus works, I have done this, but how can we help if we can, because I mean it has been how long that we have been duped into following lies and deception, could we know the enemy for they have been among us for a while now haven't they?.
I know Jesus says, shut up your chambers, when he comes, but is there anything else we are to do?.


It has been posted before, the bad ET’s have an attitude, mannerisms, some have peculiarities in language, not to even mention biology, these together or alone will trip them up to inadvertently reveal their true nature.

The bad ET’s know who they are, whereas others lower in the ranks were not told the truth by their superiors. The lower ranks may not have any idea as to the real status of affairs.

We do know that since Lucifer’s et al being thrown down here on Earth, that they do not have our Creator’s ear, they cannot go back out there in space to get new Intel.

Omshanti, remember, all in its own time, things are revealed only in its time. Such as now, our time, with technology we can now figure out what the true message of the Bible is.

Truth will set you free, knowing the truth breaks their power.

You ask, “anything else we are to do”, well we are to gather, and this Internet can suffice as a gathering place as long as one tests those in the gathering to determine who is who and to expose the spy in the group. There are ways to test those in the group; one sure way is the bread and the wine. Someone partaking of the bread and the wine that is not a Called One will get sick; if they continue partaking they could even die.

For that little while closed in your chamber as the wrath passes, you might need a drink of water, some lunch, a few previsions, it is best to be prepared. The time period of “a little while” is not defined; so a little while could be a few days, weeks so we would suggest that you be prepared. There will be time to gather together and go into the chambers we are sure, just as ones had time to leave Jerusalem.

There is also the concept not covered as yet of “spoils of war”. After the animals have fed for a season, the seven months of clean up because only one third will survive there will be a lot of real estate and leftovers ….need I say more?

For the answers to your questions to Norval, he did answer them in the new thread called, The Bible, Our Conclusion, by Norval and Gale (http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=5854)

:cup:

looks at some posters and , , , , sighs

[Gale]

Beau, hopefully you will find your answer in our new thread, The Bible, Our Conclusion. by Norval and Gale (http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=58329#post58329).

:thumb_yello:

[Kelphi]

Et's are demons people. Don't mix truths together. Black and white is still gray. Its either one or the other. Remember the greatest trick the devil has ever done was convince people he doesn't exist. As long as Satan has you in the gray his job is done. You are right where he wants you.

Everyone that has ever come out of any type of occult group even down to the simplest witch practicing their majic will tell you that ET's are demons. The bible was the very first to mention demons. Demons knew exactly who Jesus was for they begged Him not to destroy them before their time had come. In one instance Jesus granted them this by casting them in a herd of pigs and ran them off a tall cliff into the ocean. Jesus knows their time.

Do not trust ET's, or the spiritists who contact them. It is an abomination to the Lord Jesus Christ. You have been warned. I warn you out of love.

Satan and a third of the angels were thrown out of heaven and ever since they will be futile in their efforts to thwart God. The bible calls Satan the god of this world Lucifer and God has allowed Satan to set up his kingdom on earth for one last show down and then his time will have come to an end.

Matt.24-The coming of the Lord will be like the days of Noah. Want to know what the days of Noah were like. Read Genesis Chapter 6. Demons were trying to taint the human blood line that Jesus would come through by breeding with humans. That is why there is an ever increase in alien abductions happening today. For the past 40 years Demons have been more increasingly obsessed with communicating to humans, occupying humans and abducting humans with particular interest in our reproductive system. Some how they think they are going to thwart God's plan.

[Kelphi]

Ephesians 6:12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

These are ET's don't trust them. They are in the spiritual realm governing with in a hierarchy with Lucifer at the top.

NOTE: Ephesians like many other epistles were written to believers of Jesus Christ. People who put their faith and trust in what He did on the cross for their forgiveness of sins that were past along to all from Adam. Now check this out. You can talk to any person that has come out of the occult and they will tell you that these entities/ET's/demons are for real because they had to work with them and do their bidding all the time. And to UNBELIEVERS / non christians, these demons fought with the majician flesh and blood. But to Christians, God tell us that we don't fight with them with flesh and blood. So if you are in the occult and don't think you can get out. God will protect you. He promises that.

[Kelphi]

bhoss,

Now thats some self serving creative definitions for sure. I'll be praying God wakes you up.

peace and love,

Kelphi

[omshanti2]

Thank you everyone for replying to my post, much food for thought. Gale, I have had good results from your advice regarding my family, thank you from me and my family.

[Norval]

*coughs* smiles politely,
There are three major premises in that short book called Malachi.
Why is it no one asked about Malachi's mentioning what is called "The Book of Life"?
There are two remarkable things one must do to get their name in that book.
Malachi 3:16

Another major presentation was the fact about how our Creator is treated.
If He be your Father, then where is the just due respect for your Father?
If He be a Great King, then where is the just due respect of a Great King?
If He be our Creator, where is your appreciation and gratitude?

And, finally, as He is a Just ruler, we are warned of coming vengeance for the way some have
treated Him and His message, the bible. Even with all that, we are still given to know, there will be
one sent to "restore" all things, as Jesus also spoke of. One that will turn the hearts of mankind
back to the Father, and the heart of the Father back to mankind. To make the true knowledge
known about what that book really says.

So, until that one shows up we have the bible and each other to learn from, just as Gale and I
have learned, that many are learning, now you are learning. It is a true learning process, for all of
us, WITH OUT RELIGION. Why, oh why, must ones keep babbling their religious words and
their religious feelings, when it has nothing to do with any of that? Why do ones keep putting
down the bible's message and tooting their horns about how they feel or think? There is your
egos, there are your jealous bad ETs, there are many of your thread detractors and misdirectors.
It is about knowing what the bible truly says, not what someone feels it says, or thinks it says.

[sylvan]

In THE ARK OF MILLIONS OF YEARS (THREE VOLUMES) by EJ Clark and Brooks Alexander Agnew, they take the Bible, plus the obscure deleted books, also other sacred writings from the Sumnerian, Egyptian, Vedic, Babylonian, and writings from the Mayan, Aztec, etc and etc...and compare them side by side to glean all the knowledge and look at it comparably.

Also ATLANTIS, ALIEN VISITATION AND GENETIC MANIPULATION by Michael Tsarion, gives a possible history which is not too far from the concepts in ARK OF MILLIONS OF YEARS. Here is just more food for possible thought...sylvan

[arcora]

@Hoss

The Bible makes reference to what you call changing densities or frequencies and concurs that this change will take place. The Bible also says that a majority of people will not make the transition.

What you refer to as a Singular Source, others may call the Creator, YHVH, or God.

You are right that we are to look within for truth - it is there.

Unfortunately there are some entities which desire to corrupt that inner truth (also from the inside). These entities don't want you (or anyone) to pass through into this higher state of being so they lie to people.

One of their biggest and most seductive lies is that the individual is able to advance in these 'frequencies' or 'densities' by themselves - without any assistance. These entities like to make people think that the individual is the Creator and makes their own reality. This lie severs the tie to what you call 'the Singular Source' and dooms the individual to failure.

God told Malachi exactly what one needs to do in order to pass through. It is worth reading and contemplating before dismissing.

[NewParadigmGuy]

God told Malachi exactly what one needs to do in order to pass through. It is worth reading and contemplating before dismissing.

I read the book... What I get out of it is that we should start sacrificing animals, but certainly not any blind or sick ones. This seems so sick to me - why would God require it?

[arcora]

I read the book... What I get out of it is that we should start sacrificing animals, but certainly not any blind or sick ones. This seems so sick to me - why would God require it?

The sacrifices you refer to are from Jewish law but are also a metaphor. He isn't referring to actual animal sacrifices - but the honor that an individual gives to God and the quality of that honor.

Malachi 3 14-18

"You have said, 'It is futile to serve God. What did we gain by carrying out his requirements and going about like mourners before the LORD Almighty? But now we call the arrogant blessed. Certainly the evildoers prosper, and even those who challenge God escape.' "

Then those who feared the LORD talked with each other, and the LORD listened and heard. A scroll of remembrance was written in his presence concerning those who feared the LORD and honored his name.

"They will be mine," says the LORD Almighty, "in the day when I make up my treasured possession. I will spare them, just as in compassion a man spares his son who serves him. And you will again see the distinction between the righteous and the wicked, between those who serve God and those who do not.

[RSF]

Seems to me, all books are about disclosing a thought, event or a fiction.. Religion ? Where this label originally came from I'm not sure but I'm confident it does not represent the Bible. Perhap's a code of belief?

In Canada, the two predominant beliefs not surprisingly occur in the Old and in the New Testament. There are writings that are same but designated with different labels such as: Book of Revelations v. Apocalypse Chapter.
Anyway, I'm no expert on the Bible, but did manage to read a bunch of it out of a curiosity.

RSF

[Norval]

When "disclosure" takes place and the whole world is suddenly made aware of ETs in
very large and small UFOs how will mankind react? The whole planet is going to erupt in
chaos. Why?, because of the bad ETs here that will make it happen. Imps are well
known as being "pot stirrers". These thrown down losers will hope to make their escape
to underground installations while the earth is in chaos. Then we can just cut their
communications lines to the surface and be done with them for a thousand years. :naughty:

[Norval]

The bible is about disclosure.

There are no gods.
There are sentient intelligent life forms, what we call ETs, some far older and more
knowledgeable than others. We can now understand that all the hocus pocus stuff can be
explained by advanced technology. What were miracles, are now known facts of
understanding with our technology. Mankind can even duplicate several of the bibles
miracles today.

What Gale and I have tried to do here is to present what the bible has to say with out
religious wording. With out any religious ideologies or agendas to adhere to in trying to
understand what the bibles says, we try to present it's simple message to all of you. That
book tells us who we are, how we came to be, and why. We are in wonder at the way so
many here just turn up their noses and spout religious verbiage of their own beliefs. This is
not our beliefs, nor is it cultic propaganda, and all it takes is reading the bible to know
that.

The greatest matter of concern for today is survival of what is coming. Everyone "knows"
something major is about to happen to our world. Yes, the bible has given advanced
warning of what is about to occur. The bible also tells us what we must do to prepare
ourselves for what is about to happen. Those of us that have read and understand what
the bible has to say when it comes to our future also know what we will be doing after the
calamity. We will spend seven months picking up bones, but will spend several years
getting rid of weapons.

So often I hear and read the words incarnation, reincarnation, incarnate, and so on. Now
why is that, when the bible speaks of resurrection? Look them up, big difference. With
our ability to clone, and with what is soon to be known, mankind has the prospect of
living for as long as they may desire. Just keep your personal recording up to date, you
know, back up, back up, back up, save, save, save, they have that technology. How else
could we more easily explain and comprehend the idea of resurrection, being brought
back to life, raised from the dead, then with today's technology? To live in virtual
youthfulness for as long as you want. Think of what you could accomplish, where you
could go, what you could learn. The technology of resurrection is comprehensible.

All we have to do is to live by the laws of the galaxy for sentient intelligent life.

Norval L. Cunningham :trumpet:
Gale Smart

[warngen]

Great opinion. IMO We also have to take into account the idea and perspectives that include: innumerable "versions", retranslation, etc. Some information could have been put in or pulled out during these happenstances. Now think about this.....The USA insists on christianity being our religion. I.E. the dollar says in God we trust; one nation under God; The Vatican; chruches pay no taxes; etc. So if the PTB are so damn corrupt, and have the least amount of respect, care, and love for the people, why would they give us and basically shove christianity down our throat; like they do with the fluoride and the hormone filled food. It is just another belief system, seen to be the TRUTH by most, that is made to keep control. One thing that gives it away in the bible is where Jesus basically says to obey the laws of the governing body.

[Patrick]

..One thing that gives it away in the bible is where Jesus basically says to obey the laws of the governing body..

Have you tried living yet, in a Nation without laws?
I haven't.
I do not think I would raise my children in such a Nation either.
When taken out of context, Jesus can be your best friend or your worst enemy.

Which is he to you?

[Patrick]

...The USA insists on christianity being our religion. .

Have you been to the elementary schools in the USA lately, say the last 10 years or so?

And as for the majority, take a good look around you.
The New Boss is coming, same as the Old Boss.
Islam?

Or will Rome bring it all together for a watered down, fluffy bunny feel good religion, global, yet the newest fashion -since Aliens will have such a great spokesperson.

There are two kinds of everything.
Two kinds of Christianity as well.

Which one do you hate?
Then try the other one.


pso

[Patrick]

Norval,
So often I hear and read the words incarnation, reincarnation, incarnate, and so on. Now
why is that, when the bible speaks of resurrection? Look them up, big difference. With
our ability to clone, and with what is soon to be known, mankind has the prospect of
living for as long as they may desire. Just keep your personal recording up to date, you
know, back up, back up, back up, save, save, save, they have that technology. How else
could we more easily explain and comprehend the idea of resurrection, being brought
back to life, raised from the dead, then with today's technology? To live in virtual
youthfulness for as long as you want. Think of what you could accomplish, where you
could go, what you could learn. The technology of resurrection is comprehensible.

I thought resurrection was pertaining to Spirit body only?
The one that mimics God, creates clones.
Which is resurrection to you?
Cloned DNA to recreate your body (which the original is the body of your death -your Soul enters to die [hence the pit, grave,hades.hell...]), or your Soul to eternal life- once that body served it use?

Keep up the interesting research Norval and Gale.
Truly fascinating material to go over and it is surely a key to becoming aware -and remembering who we are, as well as waking up the slumber party membership.

Sorry for all the emphasis on the text, LOL
I may be wrong, you may be crazy, but it just may be a lunatic you're looking for.
Throw out the line, don't try and save me
You may be right, yes I know, you know I may be wrong.

Something like that, LOL
Edited -
pso

[Patrick]

me,
The one that mimics God, creates clones.

Let me clarify.
It is easy to create when you have a penis.
Our 'creators' of the body -surly got their panties in a wad when they discovered our form was shaped by our Spirit.

Why not play around with these slaves?
I bet they had that thought.
let's give them DNA from us since we are superior in al ways.
Maybe we can enter in as well, and live eternally...? I am sure the had this thought as well.

If successful, they could bypass certain punishment.
Only God will allow evil to grow to it's fruition, in order to know the good wheat from the chaff'.

The tares look exactly like wheat UNTIL they are fully grown.

God is Spirit.
Anything else is a liar and deceiver.

Patrick

[warngen]

Have you been to the elementary schools in the USA lately, say the last 10 years or so?

And as for the majority, take a good look around you.
The New Boss is coming, same as the Old Boss.
Islam?

Or will Rome bring it all together for a watered down, fluffy bunny feel good religion, global, yet the newest fashion -since Aliens will have such a great spokesperson.

There are two kinds of everything.
Two kinds of Christianity as well.

Which one do you hate?
Then try the other one.


pso

I have been to an elementary school in the past 10 years and as I recall, everyday started out like this: (stand up and put right hand over heart and look at USA flag and say) "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. An to the republic for which it stands one nation UNDER GOD indivisible with LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

[Patrick]

I have been to an elementary school in the past 10 years and as I recall, everyday started out like this: (stand up and put right hand over heart and look at USA flag and say) "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. An to the republic for which it stands one nation UNDER GOD indivisible with LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

That is worshiping the flag, and idol.
It is not God.
No prayer either.
No anything about Jesus allowed.

You're a young man.
perhaps I should have stated within last 5 years.
However, I have seen the socialism creep in slowly through the raising of 7 children over the years.

[Norval]

The bible is about disclosure.

There are no gods.
There are sentient intelligent life forms, what we call ETs, some far older and more
knowledgeable than others. We can now understand that all the hocus pocus stuff can be
explained by advanced technology. What were miracles, are now known facts of
understanding with our technology. Mankind can even duplicate several of the bibles
miracles today.

What Gale and I have tried to do here is to present what the bible has to say with out
religious wording. With out any religious ideologies or agendas to adhere to in trying to
understand what the bibles says, we try to present it's simple message to all of you. That
book tells us who we are, how we came to be, and why. We are in wonder at the way so
many here just turn up their noses and spout religious verbiage of their own beliefs. This is
not our beliefs, nor is it cultic propaganda, and all it takes is reading the bible to know
that.

The greatest matter of concern for today is survival of what is coming. Everyone "knows"
something major is about to happen to our world. Yes, the bible has given advanced
warning of what is about to occur. The bible also tells us what we must do to prepare
ourselves for what is about to happen. Those of us that have read and understand what
the bible has to say when it comes to our future also know what we will be doing after the
calamity. We will spend seven months picking up bones, but will spend several years
getting rid of weapons.

So often I hear and read the words incarnation, reincarnation, incarnate, and so on. Now
why is that, when the bible speaks of resurrection? Look them up, big difference. With
our ability to clone, and with what is soon to be known, mankind has the prospect of
living for as long as they may desire. Just keep your personal recording up to date, you
know, back up, back up, back up, save, save, save, they have that technology. How else
could we more easily explain and comprehend the idea of resurrection, being brought
back to life, raised from the dead, then with today's technology? To live in virtual
youthfulness for as long as you want. Think of what you could accomplish, where you
could go, what you could learn. The technology of resurrection is comprehensible.

All we have to do is to live by the laws of the galaxy for sentient intelligent life.

Norval L. Cunningham :trumpet:
Gale Smart

Just in case any missed the post in all the rabble. :wink2:

[Patrick]

Norval,
Quote:
So often I hear and read the words incarnation, reincarnation, incarnate, and so on. Now
why is that, when the bible speaks of resurrection? Look them up, big difference. With
our ability to clone, and with what is soon to be known, mankind has the prospect of
living for as long as they may desire. Just keep your personal recording up to date, you
know, back up, back up, back up, save, save, save, they have that technology. How else
could we more easily explain and comprehend the idea of resurrection, being brought
back to life, raised from the dead, then with today's technology? To live in virtual
youthfulness for as long as you want. Think of what you could accomplish, where you
could go, what you could learn. The technology of resurrection is comprehensible.

Norval,

I thought resurrection was pertaining to Spirit body only?
The one that mimics God, creates clones.
Which is resurrection to you?
Cloned DNA to recreate your body (which the original is the body of your death -your Soul enters to die [hence the pit, grave,hades.hell...]), or your Soul to eternal life- once that body served it use?

Keep up the interesting research Norval and Gale.
Truly fascinating material to go over and it is surely a key to becoming aware -and remembering who we are, as well as waking up the slumber party membership.

Sorry for all the emphasis on the text, LOL
I may be wrong, you may be crazy, but it just may be a lunatic you're looking for.
Throw out the line, don't try and save me
You may be right, yes I know, you know I may be wrong.

Something like that, LOL
Edited -
pso

I don't miss that much.

[warngen]

if you can see the big picture, then you would come to see that they are, either subliminal or in the open, trying to tell us that Christianity is the way. Tell me, why do they televise only christian churches and sermons? If you find a TV station in the US that deals with recording and replaying sermons and services that do not pertain to christianity, then please tell me and show me the proof.

Thanks

[arcora]

if you can see the big picture, then you would come to see that they are, either subliminal or in the open, trying to tell us that Christianity is the way. Tell me, why do they televise only christian churches and sermons? If you find a TV station in the US that deals with recording and replaying sermons and services that do not pertain to christianity, then please tell me and show me the proof.

Thanks

You're absolutely correct.

But notice the title of this thread - it contains the wisdom that will set you free.

Separate the book from the parasites who use it for financial or personal gain.

My dog has fleas - but I still love him.

[karmakah]

Holy smokes! I just started reading the bible for the very first time the other day. I wanted to see if what I've learned over the past 20 years as far as all the research I've done on UFO's, ancient civilizations, crop circles, etc. would resonate with me while I perused the pages of it. It was almost like I did my learning backwards. But I've always had this sort of knowing that God was not what the human race believed Him to be...

I agree with Norval, that the angels are the ET's. Us human's keep crying out for God to save us in these trying times, and he sends us our guardian angels to assist us, but no one knows what to make up of it because they're coming in flying saucers, and not looking at all like what the general public's expecting them to look like. But they are answering our "prayers", and unfortunately some of us just don't realize it...

Just my take on it...

[Gale]

Thank you, Karmahak, what a refreshing reply.

Backwards, yes I can relate. It was even suggested to read the Bible books in reverse order starting with the New Testament first then the Old Testament, first Malachi then Zechaniah etc; don’t forget the Apocrypha and Deuterocanonicals.

knowing that God was not what the human race believed Him to be

The religions and PTB have perverted what the Bible says.

:welcomeani:

[THE eXchanger]

norval/gale--a question to you / and, to all others on this thread

there are many versions of the bible

original tongues
king james
etc.,
(note--i am NO eXpert on the bible)

which one do you trust most, and,why ?

and, is that version - in a format of mp3's that can be listened to ???

brightest blessings
susan
the eXchanger

[Gale]

Exchanger, I have over the years bought all different kinds of translations of the Bible so I have a hard copy but what I prefer is a computer database called the American Bible Society Bible Database and a free online download of another searchable program called e-sword from Rick Meyers. Unfortunately a few of the translations supplied to Rick Meyers require him to charge for those specific translations and they don’t have 2 Esdras.
The very first Bible I read was the NRSV, which contains the Apocrypha, I wanted to read what they all had to say.
I hope that is helpful.

PS.
There is also available to purchase a replica of the 1611 King James, I have a copy but it is hard to read because of the ancient language.

[rosie]

Right on Norval/Gale

Keep up the great work. It was my reading of the bible as a story, not as a religious book, that triggered many memories for me. That was over 25 years ago, and I haven't looked back.

love & peace

[beauwalton@rocketmail.com]

Ju

[Norval]

I have to recommend this video here, , ,
http://logicbible.blogspot.com/2008/11/ufos-bible-in-history-in-prophecy.html

Quite informative. :thumb_yello:

The root video is here.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1691006210339557136&hl=en

Posted by Gazbom / BeauWalton

[Norval]

The Incompetence Syndrome,
This syndrome was first disclosed to me by the sociology advisor to the president of the
US back in the spring of 1997. The bible research I was involved with from 1991 through
1994 was investigating this prophesy along with some other "end times" prophesies.
When this advisor flew out here the first time (west coast) from DC to talk with me about
this strange phenomena that was happening to all the world leaders his words were "They
have no common sense", "they can't even make simple decisions any more." I asked,
"You mean the president of the US?", he said "No. All of the worlds leaders have no
more common sense. They can no more make decisions!"

He questioned me about the bible and what it said about such an event taking place,
which I told him all that I knew at the time about it. This advisor told me, "Many of the
advisors to the president and other world leaders also have no more common sense.
When it comes to making new agreement with any country they have to use old
documents to rewrite them for new agreements." He also told me that it was beginning to
effect many other world leaders in industry and commerce.

His second visit about a month later went pretty much like the first. The secret service
would cordon off the dock area where my boat / home was tied up and then search my
boat for anyone else aboard and then stand guard while Dr. T'De'l, the sociology advisor,
(sp) came aboard to talk with me. We again discussed the "Incompetence Syndrome"
and I was told that it was spreading downhill very fast. What do we see in the world
today?

We see the fulfillment of bible prophesy that the whole world would be struck with a
"blindness" to prevent ones from understanding what was happening. Hell, you can't
hardly find a competent worker to change out a light bulb anymore. Yet amongst those
blinded against comprehension of what is happening there are some that are not affected.
This is a separating work the good ETs (angels) are doing. We have no control over it at
all. To those that can comprehend what the bible is really all about, disclosure of the truth
about ETs and the incoming world intergalactic governance, it is a welcome sight.

We now know that any continued effort to try and show people what we have
discovered would only serve to upset these bad, very wicked, lying and slanderous ETs
that are thrown down here to earth from the heavens and their followers. We hope that
those that do understand what we have posted will tell others, show them, help them if
they show any comprehension. This ends our efforts on whistle blowing about the truth in
the bible here on Avalon Forums.

Norval L. Cunningham :original:
Gale Smart :original:

[macleodmunro]

Just read through the whole thread, and what a breath of fresh air it was.

Thanks Norv and everyone else for your insight.

As a former christian (in the usual sense of the word) i always read the bible with certain bounderies my mind was not aloud to cross, things like Elija essending to heaven in a chariot of fire had to be some kind of spiritual thing.
I certainly didn't allow myself to think it could be a space craft of anything against the churches teaching.

Thank 'god' i think for myself now.
I'll have to find my bible and no dought blow the dust off and take another look with my new found understanding.

It'll have to wait till morning though as it's now 2am here.

Time flies when you're getting inlightened.

Peace