usa-john tate/ron paul - URGENT HEALTH CARE BILL [Archive]

waitinginthewings

03-17-2010, 12:09 AM

Dear Susan:

It appears this is the week that the fight over Barack Obama’s government takeover of health care will finally come to a head on Capitol Hill.

With critical votes possibly coming in the next few days, it's never been more important patriots like you be ready for battle.

That’s why I recently sat down with C4L President John Tate to record this very important audio briefing for you.

If you have not yet listened to it, please click the image/link below to hear our message, and then take action right away to stop “Obamacare” before it’s too late.

http://www.chooseliberty.org/hcaudio2.aspx?pid=s02

Thanks in advance for your support in this critical fight.

In Liberty,

Congressman Ron Paul

P.S. After you've listened to this important audio briefing, please be sure to sign the petition Campaign for Liberty has provided for you.

(link above)

Exchanger: this is ridiculous....why two posts with the same link about the same subject? Trying to your # of posts up again. I don't believe you will be given a gold medal for the highest # of posts or threads on the forum.:winksmiley02:

THE eXchanger

03-17-2010, 12:11 AM

Exchanger: this is ridiculous....why two posts with the same link about the same subject? Trying to your # of posts up again. I don't believe you will be given a gold medal for the highest # of posts or threads on the forum.:winksmiley02:

i was given the link, in an instant message, then got the rest of the information to go with it
~ so, i edited, the link into the letter
(and, you are right - we could have just, edited the 1st post) good point ;)

mkspllmn

03-17-2010, 12:15 AM

I sighned it. Thanks for the post.

mkspllmn

03-17-2010, 12:19 AM

I have been re-thinking the Michael material. I must say that I think we do have different aspects. This is not as outlandish as some might think.

Kristoffer

03-17-2010, 03:28 PM

http://www.chooseliberty.org/hcaudio2.aspx?pid=s02

I dont know your history here. But ive been in us and i feel that anything thats not what you have now as a healthcare is utter crap.

The "european" way of healthcare is to treat EVERYBODY as equal, it dosent matter if you are homeless or if you live in hollywood. This is compancated with taxmoney, (frankly i dont have a problem with paying 2% more tax to keep the people that need care healthy) and i dont see why you have such a problem with that?

What you have is "only the rich get to be treated" or the people with insuranses whom theyself are pretty rediqiolous since you have to be superman even to be qualifyed for one.

This system of yours is very unfair to the less fortunate once and what you are basicly promoting is to let the poor be sick and die, while you with good jobs can cure ur illnesses.

What i said i live in Sweden, we have always had free healthcare, we dont have to ask for premision to get operated if we need it. We have a dentalsystem so there is a roof on what youre supposed to pay if you have bad teethe, and no, we dont stave to death here cause of high taxes, we live a good,healty life. And so should all humans on the planet have an opporunity to do.

Listening to your interview it just seems that the dude you interviewed was refering to the european system as something bad, why they do we have less infants death for example than you? is it because we are healtyier? may be so.

Im not trying to promote anything here but you both sound like selfish bastards to be honest. As long as noone you know dies ur all good with it, wait until you get unemployed and get cancer, lets see how fun you think it is then.

Cheers Kristoffer

Boober

03-17-2010, 03:39 PM

I dont know your history here. But ive been in us and i feel that anything thats not what you have now as a healthcare is utter crap.

The "european" way of healthcare is to treat EVERYBODY as equal, it dosent matter if you are homeless or if you live in hollywood. This is compancated with taxmoney, (frankly i dont have a problem with paying 2% more tax to keep the people that need care healthy) and i dont see why you have such a problem with that?

What you have is "only the rich get to be treated" or the people with insuranses whom theyself are pretty rediqiolous since you have to be superman even to be qualifyed for one.

This system of yours is very unfair to the less fortunate once and what you are basicly promoting is to let the poor be sick and die, while you with good jobs can cure ur illnesses.

What i said i live in Sweden, we have always had free healthcare, we dont have to ask for premision to get operated if we need it. We have a dentalsystem so there is a roof on what youre supposed to pay if you have bad teethe, and no, we dont stave to death here cause of high taxes, we live a good,healty life. And so should all humans on the planet have an opporunity to do.

Listening to your interview it just seems that the dude you interviewed was refering to the european system as something bad, why they do we have less infants death for example than you? is it because we are healtyier? may be so.

Im not trying to promote anything here but you both sound like selfish bastards to be honest. As long as noone you know dies ur all good with it, wait until you get unemployed and get cancer, lets see how fun you think it is then.

Cheers Kristoffer

lol, awesome. I am to lazy to listen to the interview, but I know the ron paul point of view. And you have to listen to other interviews by him to see what he is talking about when it comes to the overall picture in relation to the PTB. Either way I like your passion, and I think the U.S. is screwed either way. It just comes back to the age old US question the one that we were raised on, pick the lesser of two evils. What? as a kid I always asked what if they are both evil, well then pick the one thats less evil. lol, really how do I....pick one! then this is followed by if you dont like this country then you can get out. They tooook our jaaaabs!!

Berob24

03-17-2010, 03:49 PM

Boober

03-17-2010, 03:57 PM

I agree , but the homie Paul is trying to show everyone that the corporations are still going to own healthcare with this new bill, thus its not going to do what everyone thinks it is. Plus , for people like me who cant afford healthcare, even when this bill makes it what 200 a month, which i still cant afford, I cant afford the fine they are going to give me when i dont pay the mandatory healthcare bill, i think the fine is like 90 a month or possiby alot less eitherway. I cant afford either, thus I am losing out with this new bill. Untill I get a little bit of money saved up then I can afford cheap health care. But if you listen to some of Ron Pauls other interviews you will see where the PTB are going to step in and screw this up too. Its all money. This bill is not trying to really help, if it was it would be way different. But at least theres an attempt right? again the lesser of the two evils thing

Berob24

03-17-2010, 04:14 PM

Thanks for explaining that a little better. I agree with you- I can't afford it either. So what is the answer? There has to be a solution....

Kristoffer

03-17-2010, 08:20 PM

I agree with Kristoffer. I think Boober makes a good point as well about listening to where Ron Paul is coming from. I personally haven't listened to a lot of his stuff. I don't affiliate myself with any political party any more.

As far as health care goes though, I don't understand how people can say that not everyone deserves it. Until people give up their love of money and putting themselves first, nothing is going to change. I see opposition to health care reform as being exactly that. People putting themselves and their money first.

I am not happy with the current proposal, but I think something should be done to ensure that everyone gets the health care they need.

It comes down to what people havent experienced they are affraid of. He talks that people in "suits" will decide wether ppl are qualifyed or not for healthcare, and that total ********. Im 31 and im born here, and ive never ever had to ask for promision to get treated.

What happens is ..... i get sick..... i go to the hospital and say "hey i got a pain in my arm" they say ... "okey, wait here until we get a doctor free for you" ... the doctor comes out and checks out the arm ... and then if i need medication he writes a recepie, if i need surgery, and its urgent they do it.

You know, i dont know where the hell people get their ideas from. Like you have to fill out a form or something, what the h...l ... if your sick your sick nothing more than that.

Looking at michel moores documentary "sicko" then we can talk about a corrupt system, and people think its good?! A dude has to choose what finger he needs to get reattached ? for like 17k $ ??

Instead he would have gotten his finger reattached for basicly nothing, so stop being so god damn greedy and live as you learn.... dont sit here like some saints telling storys about love..... oh no they are going for my money... now im all up for letting people die cause the dident have the luck to be born in the right family ....

This stuff just makes me go ballistic, signing that petition is like signing for segregation, nazism and hatred.

Devakas

03-17-2010, 10:02 PM

Kristoffer

03-18-2010, 10:18 AM

You are right Kristoffer,

Here in US people are in disease for money. This is why it is so hard to communicate with them.
Any good suggestion, any healthy thought ends up with question about how much it will cost.
Many tax payers are aware and afraid that somebody will come up with clever ideas somehow to steal their money. They don’t love each other, they don’t love neighbor, they don’t care about others. They close eyes when somebody is in trouble. They don’t have the feeling of peace in the way that all in community are taken care. It is long forgotten and not exercised here in America maybe ever.
Not to work and get healed by doctors freaks out americans; some will use excuses to get money from the system and good health care is in their worries. It sickens me also to see that.

They laugh at M. Moore of the facts he pointed out and still find the problems with him, instead of wake up and change of way of thinking.

Money is all about, greed for money as most important survival need is ruling here.
The disease for money should be healed first, to make this country to think better...

Sorry, and no offence Americans. I am from Europe also.

Yeh, I was too harsh….sorry

Hey mate!

Yes the problem is that some may fall threw the crack, but its the same with everything. There will always be someone who uses the system. Now the big phrarma and the big insurance companies are affraid to loose their costumers because people will have a free health care system thats subvensionised by gouverment money.

This ends up that all the privatly owned insurance companies will not have enything to do with peoples health and it scares them. What people dont understand is that what they are doing once people get sick is to look at all the rules how to NOT pay you. So here we have people who still are healthy and they had a cold 5 years back and now they dont get any insurancemoney because they had a cold or some other utter crap.

Money is still king in usa, people still think that they could buy everything. Most americans i say most, not all ofc still live in this tiny box of theirs, they think us is the greatest contry in the whole world, still they can not care for their own. They run out to save the world from all the "terrorists" and they force their belifes upon inocent people who really dident ask for their help.

Us could be so much better than it is, and by changing their healthcaresystem is one step to a better Us for sure.

As you said it might sound harch and all, but people need to wake the f..k up and stop living in their little tiny box of theirs, US needs us europeans aswell as we need the americans. Everybody is as important as the other one. So start to wake up, the world is not a fancy one, stop lying to yourself now.

Cheers Kristoffer

Roman195

03-18-2010, 05:01 PM

As long as you got Big Pharma running the show, in my opinion, nothing will work;here or in Europe. There are to many good and sincere ideas that are destroyed.

Roman

Kristoffer

03-18-2010, 05:26 PM

As long as you got Big Pharma running the show, in my opinion, nothing will work;here or in Europe. There are to many good and sincere ideas that are destroyed.

Roman

you got that right, but the choise you got here is either to get treated or not get treated. Cause of you economy situation. Ive asked the one that started the thread to reply but she hasent dont this yet. I dont know, may be because she dosent have any answers to the questions i raise. I dont know, i think its a cowards way to put up your opinon and when someone questions it, the flee like rats to the sewer. Its rediqiolous

pineal-pilot-in merkabah

03-19-2010, 07:02 PM

my take on it is its a full govt soviet style takeover and is intended to id everyone if not outright chip them. what of dennis kucinich? he was seen on a plane woth obama having to give in to demands no doubt.

health care is just a mask they are using to push through their nwo agenda. the old system was bad so will the new system be.

peaceandlove

03-20-2010, 03:03 PM

Kucinich is signing the bill.

Congressman Kucinich The Health Care Debate Has Been Severly Hampered By FEAR!

From: MoxNewsDotCom | March 17, 2010

"This is not the bill I wanted to support."

"Health Care is a 'right'."

VIDEO (8:33): http://www.youtube.com/user/MoxNewsDotCom#p/u/79/URDs5SKTPeI

Kucinich changes mind on bill

VIDEO: http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2010/03/19/jk.ron.paul.healthcare%20.cnn?iref=allsearch

WHAT ARE YOUR RIGHTS?????

Great Interview for Ron Paul

Ron Paul on John King USA

Posted by Andrew Ward on 03/19/10 2:27 PM

Congressman Paul on John King's new show on CNN discusses health care and the future of the GOP.

"Health Care is not a 'right'."

VIDEO AT SOURCE LINK BELOW OR HERE: http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2010/03/19/jk.ron.paul.healthcare%20.cnn?iref=allsearch

SOURCE: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=33723

peaceandlove

03-20-2010, 03:41 PM

What I believe is we have the 'RIGHT' to foods without chemical additives, to non-genetically modified foods, to non-chemicalized air and the right to choose alternative remedies instead of pharmaceuticals that poison and cause unprecedented deaths and increasing health issues.

Perhaps then, the health care debate would not be such an issue, perhaps then, there would not be so much 'ill health' in this country.

Perhaps if they didn't put aspartame and MSG, etc. in our foods, people would not be so overweight and sickly, and then perhaps if we could choose what insurance company we wanted to use instead of all the regulation the price of insurance and doctor fees would go down.

Perhaps if we had a truly Free Market we would then have a truly Free People.

shybastid

03-20-2010, 04:14 PM

For the Record.... Here in the U.S.,we have an open door policy at ALL U.S. hospitals to give treatment to anyone who walks through the doors. Legal or Illegal or Nationality is not a prerequest of treatman. We treat EVERYONE.
Having said that, Our hospitals are going broke because of the amount of illegal aliens that come across the border for treatment. We treat them all.
If an illegal comes across the border to deliver their child,that child is now an American citizen and is entitled to Welfare,Food Stamps and free hospital until they are 18years old.
This new health bill does NOT address the additional financial burden that Californians have to endure.. It's not even in the Bill. This cost alone is in the Billions.

> From the L. A. Times
> 1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County ( L. A. County has
> 10.2 million people)are working for cash and not paying
> taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal
> immigrants working without a green card.
> 2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for
> illegal aliens.
> 3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are
> illegal aliens.
> 4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to
> illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid
> for by taxpayers.
> 5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention
> centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.
> 6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are
> living in garages.
> 7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles
> are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.
> 8 Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are
> illegal.
> 9. 21 radio stations in L. A.. are Spanish speaking.
> 10.. In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9
> million speak Spanish.
> (There are 10.2 million people in L. A. County . )
>
> (All 10 of the above facts were published in the Los
> Angeles Times)

I have as much compassion as the next person. Please explain why this Health Bill is SUCH a priorty and it does'nt even become enforceable until 2014? Why pay now before we see it in its WHOLE content?
This two party Republican Democrat thing is terrible.
I think the cost of illegl immigration to our country in immediate dollars should be a higher priority to reduce costs.
BUT!!.. Obama is going to grant amnesty to all of them before the next election..and have them vote for him on the Democratic ticket.Terrible.

peaceandlove

03-20-2010, 06:01 PM

Final health bill omits some of Obama's promises

By ERICA WERNER, Associated Press Writer – 1 hr 51 mins ago

WASHINGTON – It was a bold response to skyrocketing health insurance premiums. President Barack Obama would give federal authorities the power to block unreasonable rate hikes.

Yet when Democrats unveiled the final, incarnation of their health care bill this week, the proposal was nowhere to be found.

Ditto with several Republican ideas that Obama had said he wanted to include after a televised bipartisan summit last month, including a plan by Sen. Tom Coburn of Oklahoma to send investigators disguised as patients to hospitals in search of waste, fraud and abuse.

And those "special deals" that Obama railed against and said he wanted to eliminate? With the exception of two of the most notorious — extra Medicaid money for Nebraska and a carve-out for Florida seniors faced with losing certain extra Medicare benefits — they are all still there.

Continues: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_health_care_obama_s_promises

House leaders announce $940 billion health-care compromise bill

By Lori Montgomery and Paul Kane
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, March 19, 2010; A01

Pushing toward a Sunday vote that could transform the nation's health-insurance system, House leaders announced a $940 billion compromise Thursday that would extend coverage to the vast majority of Americans, cut billions of dollars from Medicare, and impose new taxes on the wealthy and the well-insured.

Continues: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/wire.php?view=11075

Comment at campaignforliberty link: How long until a band of military dissenters take up their oath to defend the Constitution against domestic enemies and form an attack on members of Congress?

What If YOUR Call Determined the Outcome of Health Care Reform?

Posted by Heather D on 03/20/10 12:55 PM

Many people feel as if calling our legislators and demanding that they vote no on this health care reform package is futile. After all, we've called and emailed, attended Town Halls and rallies and passed out petitions - yet, a vote is still imminent. We've fought the good fight and helped to tip the balance of public opinion, and despite that, Congress continues to press on; is it time to accept defeat?

What if ONE more call or fax is all it will take to bring a representative into the no column?

What if ONE more comment on a local blog causes ONE more person to call their representative?

What if ONE quick trip to your representative's local office makes the difference?

What if defeating the existing Health Care Reform bill relies on YOUR next move?

Please click here to find your representative's contact information: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/congress.php

SOURCE: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=33736

peaceandlove

03-20-2010, 06:11 PM

Phone Calls Continue to Batter Congress

Posted by Matt Holdridge on 03/20/10 12:55 PM

From Roll Call: http://www.rollcall.com/news/44382-1.html?type=aggregate_friendly

Members continued to be inundated with phone calls from constituents and interest groups Friday thanks to an impending vote on health care reform this weekend.

Calls to the House numbered close to 100,000 an hour, creating a bottleneck in a phone system only meant to handle 50,000 calls an hour. The chamber has been similarly overloaded for four consecutive days, beginning on Tuesday when radio host Rush Limbaugh told viewers to call the Capitol switchboard phone number.

Jeff Ventura, spokesman for Chief Administrative Officer Dan Beard, said the problem was essentially unsolvable. The issue lies with the capacity of the cables buried underneath the Capitol complex — and even if those could be dug up and replaced, Members simply don’t have enough staff to answer so many calls, he said.

“Our capacity rate is about 50,000 calls an hour, and once we hit the 40,000 mark, we start to get these signals,” he said. “We’re beyond that. There’s no other way to say it other than the system is at capacity.”

This means call your representative's district office or make a personal visit!

Also, encourage the people in your circle of influence to do the same. Now is the time to pull out the stops!

SOURCE: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=33763

Virginia Attorney General: If Dems Ram Obamacare Through House He Will Be in Court Next Week

Posted by dljholt on 03/20/10 12:54 PM

Virginia Attorney General Kenneth T. Cuccinelli, II told Greta Van Susteren on Thursday that if Speaker Nancy Pelosi and democrats use the unconstitutional tactic, deem and pass, to ram Obamacare through.

VIDEO (1:35): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LkniAWrV3w&feature=player_embedded

Here is the letter Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli sent to Speaker Pelosi:March 17, 2010 SEE LINK BELOW

SOURCE: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=33755

Even the Left is Opposed to the Bill

Posted by Matt Holdridge on 03/20/10 12:54 PM

From the DailyCaller: http://dailycaller.com/2010/03/19/hamsher-hates-healthcare-bill/

Jane Hamsher of the liberal blog firedoglake remains unenthused about the Democrats’ healthcare bill:

Real health care reform is the thing we’ve fought for from the start. It is desperately needed. But this bill falls short on many levels, and hurts many people more than it helps.

A middle class family of four making $66,370 will be forced to pay $5,243 per year for insurance. After basic necessities, this leaves them with $8,307 in discretionary income — out of which they would have to cover clothing, credit card and other debt, child care and education costs, in addition to $5,882 in annual out-of-pocket medical expenses for which families will be responsible. Many families who are already struggling to get by would be better off saving the $5,243 in insurance costs and paying their medical expenses directly, rather than being forced to by coverage they can’t afford the co-pays on.

Read the fact sheet that firedoglake put together concerning the bill here: http://static1.firedoglake.com/1/files/2010/03/mythfactshcr-2.pdf it's very eyeopening.

SOURCE: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=33741

shybastid

03-21-2010, 01:15 AM

Heh......Nice work Peaceandlove....
Exactly..........Too many variables disguised as uncarrying Americans.
Not Fair..:nono:

Earthian

03-21-2010, 02:17 AM

Hey mate ;) I guess the 'Divide and Conquer' hasn't been implemented in Sweden as much as in most other parts of the world. You are simply unaware of the existance of 'Illigal Alliens' LOL(joking). We first have to take care of all good, obedient, hard working, tax paying CITIZENS and wealthy, then if we have anough money left, treat (does not nesseseraly mean help) Human Beings.

Honestly, none of those man can and will resolve the situation, that's my believe for now.. It looks to me that the system has run out of control and is self sustained now. Perhaps if we ALL become aware of the fact that every single one of us here is a tiny part of this system, in one way or another and decide to stop powering it via paing taxes, discrimination, selfishness and many other ways we do it, only then it might break down.. but then again, there will be a chaos right? hence Ordo ab Chao...

I love one of the great quotes:
Be the change You want to see.

So I guess this is all we are left with.

Cheers mate.
I dont know your history here. But ive been in us and i feel that anything thats not what you have now as a healthcare is utter crap.

The "european" way of healthcare is to treat EVERYBODY as equal, it dosent matter if you are homeless or if you live in hollywood. This is compancated with taxmoney, (frankly i dont have a problem with paying 2% more tax to keep the people that need care healthy) and i dont see why you have such a problem with that?

What you have is "only the rich get to be treated" or the people with insuranses whom theyself are pretty rediqiolous since you have to be superman even to be qualifyed for one.

This system of yours is very unfair to the less fortunate once and what you are basicly promoting is to let the poor be sick and die, while you with good jobs can cure ur illnesses.

What i said i live in Sweden, we have always had free healthcare, we dont have to ask for premision to get operated if we need it. We have a dentalsystem so there is a roof on what youre supposed to pay if you have bad teethe, and no, we dont stave to death here cause of high taxes, we live a good,healty life. And so should all humans on the planet have an opporunity to do.

Listening to your interview it just seems that the dude you interviewed was refering to the european system as something bad, why they do we have less infants death for example than you? is it because we are healtyier? may be so.

Im not trying to promote anything here but you both sound like selfish bastards to be honest. As long as noone you know dies ur all good with it, wait until you get unemployed and get cancer, lets see how fun you think it is then.

Cheers Kristoffer

SteveX

03-21-2010, 02:24 AM

peaceandlove

03-21-2010, 06:07 PM

Thanks shybastid.

Here's a bit of 'DIVIDING' going on :wink2:

Idaho signs anti-health-insurance law

By John Miller ASSOCIATED PRESS
Thursday, March 18, 2010

BOISE, Idaho -- Idaho is leading the charge in a states'-rights push to defeat a proposal in Congress that would require people to buy health insurance, a key reform pushed by President Obama.

Gov. C.L. "Butch" Otter, a Republican, used a ceremony Wednesday afternoon to become the first governor to sign into law a measure requiring the state attorney general to sue the federal government over any such insurance mandates.

Similar legislation is pending in 37 other states, a point Mr. Otter stressed when asked if the bill he signed can succeed, given constitutional law experts are already saying federal laws would supersede those of states in a U.S. District Court fight.

EXCERPT:

"Congress is planning to force an unconstitutional mandate on the states," said Christie Herrera, the group's health task force director.

Continues: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/18/idaho-first-sign-law-against-health-care-reform/

peaceandlove

03-21-2010, 07:41 PM

States take aim to block healthcare plan

Reuters – Opponents of the proposed U.S. health care bill are pictured during a rally outside the U.S. Capitol …

By Lisa Lambert and Karen Pierog – Sun Mar 21

WASHINGTON/CHICAGO (Reuters) – As the Congress once again rallies to pass healthcare reform legislation, momentum is growing in many states to pass laws to block the changes -- a move that could lead to a legal battle over states' sovereignty.

Bills and resolutions have been introduced in at least 36 state legislatures seeking to limit or oppose various aspects of the reform plan through laws or state constitutional amendments, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

"There's going to be a big free-for-all lawsuit about this," said Michael Bird, legislative counsel for the NCSL.

Continues with VIDEOS: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100321/us_nm/us_usa_states_healthcare

Raw Video: House votes to debate health bill
17 minutes ago - AP 0:26 | 758 views

PELOSI Babble

President Barack Obama's health care reform overhaul has passed a first round vote in the House. Lawmakers will now move on to debate the bill, and are expected to cast final votes late Sunday (March 21)

VIDEO: http://news.yahoo.com/video/politics-15749652/18735797

peaceandlove

03-21-2010, 08:39 PM

'LIVE' HEALTH CARE DEBATE!!! :Update: Go to thread #34 for C-Span Coverage

ABC NEWS LIVE

AT YAHOO: http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=4226934&ch=4226736&src=news

Protester disrupts House, yells 'Kill the Bill'

By ERICA WERNER, Associated Press Writer – 2 hrs 13 mins ago

WASHINGTON – A Democratic lawmaker says a protester stood up in the House gallery, yelled "Kill the bill" and was cheered by Republicans.

Angry demonstrators opposed to the health care bill gathered outside the Capitol on Sunday. Democratic Rep. Barney Frank of Massachusetts says that one stood up in the House gallery and shouted, "Kill the bill. The people don't want this."

As the man was yelling and ushers tried to escort him out, several Republicans stood up on the House floor and cheered.

Said Frank: "I've never seen this — for the Republicans to stand up and cheer the guy on." Frank called the Republicans "clowns."

The cheering could be heard from outside the chamber.

Disruptions from the gallery are banned.

SOURCE: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100321/ap_on_go_co/us_health_care_protest

peaceandlove

03-21-2010, 08:53 PM

'LIVE' HEALTH CARE DEBATE!!! :Update: Go to thread #34 for C-Span Coverage

ABC NEWS LIVE

AT YAHOO: http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=4226934&ch=4226736&src=news

Obama, Democrats on track for health care vote

By CHARLES BABINGTON, Associated Press Writer – 4 mins ago

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama and Democratic House leaders resolved a long-standing dispute over abortion Sunday, securing crucial support from a handful of lawmakers and setting the stage for a historic vote on a comprehensive health care overhaul.

The White House announced that Obama would issue an executive order after passage of the health care bill that reaffirms current law barring taxpayer dollars for abortion, except in cases of rape, incest and a threat to the life of the mother.

Moments after the White House statement, Rep. Bart Stupak, D-Mich., a leading abortion foe, and six other anti-abortion Democrats announced they would back the health care bill.

"We're well past 216," Stupak told reporters.

Continues: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_health_care_overhaul

peaceandlove

03-21-2010, 09:04 PM

Lots of representatives asking for unanimous consent to revise and extend remarks in opposition to flawed (unconstitutional) health care bill!?!

Dead air now...no coverage....hmmmm. Not sure if it will come back on.

peaceandlove

03-21-2010, 09:14 PM

LIVE COVERAGE ~ GO TO C-SPAN

C-SPAN LIVE STREAM: http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN.aspx

No Where In The Constitution Does The Government Have Authority To Force You To Buy Anything!

From: MoxNewsDotCom | March 21, 2010

VIDEO (1:09): http://www.youtube.com/user/MoxNewsDotCom#p/u/1/s-x6YWbnyek

This Health Care Bill Means More Dead Babies & More Wounded Mothers! Congressman Smith

From: MoxNewsDotCom | March 21, 2010

VIDEO (2:36): http://www.youtube.com/user/MoxNewsDotCom#p/u/0/wYxisrvUyC0

peaceandlove

03-21-2010, 10:33 PM

'Live Blog' of the House vote on health care reform

3 mins ago

6:32 PM ET: The House just passed the rules for tonight's debate, 224 to 206. Now on to debate on the legislation itself.

6:30 PM ET: Caroline Sharp asks on Twitter: " is the House really debating the 'fixes' before the bill itself? Doesn't it make more sense to debate the other way around?"

Yes, the House is voting on the "fixes" they want for the Senate bill before they pass the Senate bill itself. It would seem to make more sense to pass the Senate bill before passing changes, but House Democrats were worried that if they passed the Senate bill first they might loss the second vote on the changes, and didn't want to risk leaving the Senate bill intact.

6:25 PM ET: The National Organization for Women has released a statement criticizing President Obama's deal with pro-life Democrats. The group argues that Obama's agreement to sign an executive order reemphasizing that federal funds in the health care bill cannot be used to fund abortions sends the message that "it is acceptable to negotiate health care on the backs of women, and we couldn't disagree more."

6:12 PM ET: The House is now voting on the rules they will follow during tonight's debate. When they finish, they will start to debate on the first of two pieces of legislation they will vote on: the "fixes" to the original Senate bill and then the original Senate bill itself.

6:00 PM ET: If you have any questions about what's happening, leave a comment or tweet at me at @agolis. I'll try to answer a few as I go.

5:54 PM ET: The Hill reports that House Minority Leader John Boehner is telling his fellow Republicans to "behave like grown-ups" if the healthcare reform bill passed tonight. (via TPM's Countdown to Reform Wire)

Continues (hit refresh when necessary to update blog): http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100321/ts_ynews/ynews_ts1288

LIVE COVERAGE ~ GO TO C-SPAN

C-SPAN LIVE STREAM: http://www.c-span.org/Watch/C-SPAN.aspx

peaceandlove

03-22-2010, 01:27 AM

From G. Edward Griffith's website: http://www.realityzone.com/currentperiod.html

Idaho and Utah have joined Virginia in legislation to nullify the Obama Health Care bill – as state sovereignty gains steam. USA Today 2010 Mar 18 (Cached)

States battle feds on health care

Some states are trying to block key parts of President Obama's health care plan, which could spark a legal fight.

State lawmakers try to head off health bill

By Mimi Hall, USA TODAY

In a backlash against President Obama's health care legislation that stretches from Virginia to California, lawmakers in more than two-thirds of the states are scrambling to undercut the bill before it even passes Congress.

Earlier this month, Virginia became the first state to pass a law allowing its residents to opt out of the proposed federal requirement that everyone have health insurance, a key element of Obama's plan. Legislatures in Utah and Idaho this month also approved measures limiting the scope of the proposed $950 billion health care bill pending in Congress.

A host of other state legislatures also are considering new laws and promoting constitutional amendments that would limit federal requirements. Most follow Virginia's lead in nullifying the mandate on health insurance. Obama's bill would expand health coverage to 31 million Americans who currently don't have it and impose new regulations on the insurance industry.

The state measures are likely to be challenged in court, setting up new legal battles over whether federal law can trump state laws.

Continues with States Chart: http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-03-14-healthstates_N.htm

shybastid

03-22-2010, 02:38 AM

Peaceandlove:
Sigh:wall:

Thanks for your attempt to educate and be a person of reason.

Unfortunatly, the world will learn later then sooner the mistake being made by our government and politicians.
No one in our current governemt cares or understands Constituntional Rights.

Left,Right,Democrat,Republican..Liberal Commie,Right Wing Ideolog...
We have in fact lost our voice by stoopidity and have now allowed a political party to dictate our policies. This is wrong.
We all knew in our hearts,the U.S. dictated foriegn policy on an international level based on corporation and military needs.(Don't get me started on Dow Chemical in Viet Nam and Agent Orange and Afghan and Opium(Korea,Vietnam,Iraq,Afgan)to Protect American Citizens....RIGHT!!!! Hey!! We're not that stupid. What is the adgenda?

Please.... I'm no Shawn Hannity,Glen Beck or Keith Oberlan supporter.
I can type..send Emails and channel surf and read more alternative ideas then any library I ever went to.( I have access to any Library I want now..)
..Wow...that multi tasking?
I can't believe how many RIGHTS have been given away to so many for nothing under this Bill. The Government has more rights now. WE just lost more rights for NO definition of outcome.

Oh Google::sneaky2::sneaky2: IRS is hiring an additional 16,000 jobs to monitor non payment of mandatory health insurance violaters.

Divide and Conquer..Who said that? Not me as an Avalon/Camelot member.
I've read it a million times and was warned by fellow Avolon/Camelot whistleblower members.

And now Avalon and Camelot is a divide and conquer side story? NAH
Coincidence? Actually, I believe it is.

Oh A in Avalon is before C in Camelot..That was my only choice there..
I don't "think" its related.

Now I have to be a coffee bagger,a tea bagger,a democrat,a republican, or a hippie with love and peace and love in my heart to ascend......Or, I'm an uncaring, unAmerican, selfish bastid..I'll post this one more time>>>
Obama will take these illegal alien votes to continue American Constitutional violation rights for his Vote to get relected.
Divide and conquer.
From the L. A. Times
> 1. 40% of all workers in L. A. County ( L. A. County has
> 10.2 million people)are working for cash and not paying
> taxes. This is because they are predominantly illegal
> immigrants working without a green card.
> 2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for
> illegal aliens.
> 3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are
> illegal aliens.
> 4. Over 2/3 of all births in Los Angeles County are to
> illegal alien Mexicans on Medi-Cal, whose births were paid
> for by taxpayers.
> 5. Nearly 35% of all inmates in California detention
> centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.
> 6. Over 300,000 illegal aliens in Los Angeles County are
> living in garages.
> 7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles
> are most likely illegal aliens from south of the border.
> 8 Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are
> illegal.
> 9. 21 radio stations in L. A.. are Spanish speaking.
> 10.. In L. A. County 5.1 million people speak English, 3.9
> million speak Spanish.
> (There are 10.2 million people in L. A. County . )
>
> (All 10 of the above facts were published in the Los
> Angeles Times)

I did'nt make up these statistics.. They are from the LA Times..Maybe they did.

Nancy Pelosi is a toad.

shybastid

03-22-2010, 02:46 AM

FYI A Toad is a Reptilian "wanna be". Not even on the Radar.

:original:

shybastid

03-22-2010, 02:49 AM

Kinda like a leftover salamander tail that broke off.... That Nancy.. Too far?:lmao:

shybastid

03-22-2010, 04:29 AM

peaceandlove

03-22-2010, 04:31 AM

I can't believe how many RIGHTS have been given away to so many for nothing under this Bill. The Government has more rights now. WE just lost more rights for NO definition of outcome.

Oh Google::sneaky2::sneaky2: IRS is hiring an additional 16,000 jobs to monitor non payment of mandatory health insurance violators.

Blessings shybastid,

Rights, what rights? Seems to me we just entered into back door martial law.

PaL

Congress Passes Senate Health Care Bill 219-Aye 212-Nay

From: MoxNewsDotCom | March 21, 2010

Video (4:43): http://www.youtube.com/user/MoxNewsDotCom#p/u/3/yKsvOybzg54

shybastid, here's your toad.

:Update:

What a SPIN!!!

With The Passing Of This Bill Being A Woman Will No Longer Be A Pre-Existing Condition! pt.1

From: MoxNewsDotCom | March 21, 2010

PELOSI speech.

VIDEO Part 1 (10:58): http://www.youtube.com/user/MoxNewsDotCom#p/u/0/vdUFxs8yaRM

VIDEO Part 2 (4:21): http://www.youtube.com/user/MoxNewsDotCom#p/u/1/e7PA5ARBWV0

peaceandlove

03-22-2010, 04:48 AM

Heh................. Peace and Happiness
Let's try to stay out of the inside anger and politics..

Here's happiness:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmCpOKtN8ME

Here's more happiness:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3g5z0yVcP5w&feature=related

See Gene Kelly? He was happy in both scenes.......

Let's all move toward happiness.. These videos make me happy.:thumb_yello:

I guess we were creating our posts at the same time. Hadn't seen this one yet.

HAPPINESS IS GOOD!!!

DON'T WORRY BE HAPPY!!!

Bobby McFerrin - Don't Worry :sad: Be Happy :original:

"It will soon pass, whatever it is."

VIDEO (4:03): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9K4BKkLaCI

peaceandlove

03-22-2010, 05:13 AM

Historical, for sure!

Hell No We Can't! ~ Leader Boehner Health Care Bill Debate

From: MoxNewsDotCom | March 21, 2010

"We have failed to listen to America and we have failed to reflect the will of our constituents."

VIDEO (10:58): http://www.youtube.com/user/MoxNewsDotCom#p/u/2/3gPxZZBAwNY

shybastid

03-22-2010, 02:10 PM

peaceandlove

03-22-2010, 06:37 PM

Happy Happy thoughts.:zip:

Happy Happy thoughts on Campaign for Liberty and the fight for freedom!!!

Congressman Ron Paul on the Unconstitutional Health Care Bill

Ron Paul and Stuart Varney discuss the economic, moral, and constitutional problems with the health care reform bill on Fox Business.

VIDEO (5:50): http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=33799

Push to Repeal ObamaCare Begins

Posted by Tim Shoemaker on 03/22/10

Early Monday morning, Sen. Jim DeMint (R-SC) introduced legislation calling for repeal of ObamaCare, describing it as an "arrogant power grab."

From Politico:

"Unless this trillion-dollar assault on our freedoms is repealed, it will force Americans to purchase Washington-approved health plans or face stiff penalties," DeMint said in a release. "It will fund abortions, raise taxes and insurance premiums, while reducing health care choices and quality."

DeMint is not the only one fighting back however.

Continues: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=33831

Walking the plank with a ‘yes’ vote

Posted by Matt Holdridge on 03/22/10

From Politico:

The polarizing health care votes cast late Sunday will have a profound effect on reelection campaigns across the nation, leaving a host of House Democrats—and a few Republicans—to explain or defend a politically treacherous vote that could determine control of the House come November.

Some members of Congress will end up with primary challenges as a result. Others may have signed their own political death warrant.

Click here http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34773.html to see Politico's rundown of lawmakers whose reelection prospects have been significantly imperiled by their announced support of health care reform.

Do any of them represent you? If so, do you think they're re-election is in peril?

SOURCE: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=33830

Right-Wing Obamacare

Posted by Matt Holdridge on 03/22/10

From Dan McCarthy at the American Conservative:

Whether it’s called Obamacare or Romneycare, and whether it’s right-wing or left-wing, the further cartelization of the healthcare system is a very bad idea. In exchange for extending coverage to high-risk individuals, the insurance industry is promised guaranteed profits from a consumer base — that is, people like you and me — that is legally compelled to purchase its product.

Continues: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=33833

Continue the Fight for Free Market Health Care

Posted by John Tate on 03/22/10

Late Sunday night, the U.S. House of Representatives abandoned the Constitution, made a mockery of the words of the Founders, and drew a line in the sand as it passed the Senate's health care bill 219-212. The morning after the federal government acted yet again to increase its control over our lives, the freedom movement has two clear options.

Continues with Links: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=33826

"The Real Arithmetic of Health Care Reform"

Posted by Matt Hawes on 03/22/10

Douglas Holtz-Eakin, former director of the Congressional Budget Office, details the case in The New York Times for why the House-passed legislation will deepen the debt and examines the tricks employed to make it look like this bill will save taxpayer dollars.

In reality, if you strip out all the gimmicks and budgetary games and rework the calculus, a wholly different picture emerges: The health care reform legislation would raise, not lower, federal deficits, by $562 billion....

Even worse, some costs are left out entirely. To operate the new programs over the first 10 years, future Congresses would need to vote for $114 billion in additional annual spending. But this so-called discretionary spending is excluded from the Congressional Budget Office's tabulation....

Finally, in perhaps the most amazing bit of unrealistic accounting, the legislation proposes to trim $463 billion from Medicare spending and use it to finance insurance subsidies. But Medicare is already bleeding red ink, and the health care bill has no reforms that would enable the program to operate more cheaply in the future. Instead, Congress is likely to continue to regularly override scheduled cuts in payments to Medicare doctors and other providers....

Read the rest here: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/21/opinion/21holtz-eakin.html

SOURCE: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=33825

Health care reform now faces Senate challenge

By Ed Hornick, CNN
March 22, 2010

Washington (CNN) -- Now that the House has passed the Senate's health care reform bill and a package meant to reconcile differences between the House and Senate bills, the next step is for members of the Senate to sign off on those changes.
That won't be as easy as it sounds.

Senate Republicans have indicated they will use any and all legislative tactics in order to slow -- even stop -- the reconciliation bill from passing.

President Obama is expected to sign the health care bill Tuesday at the earliest. Only then can the Senate begin dealing with the reconciliation package.

Continues: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/wire.php?view=11113

peaceandlove

03-24-2010, 02:12 PM

LOL...Peaceandlove... I'm happier now. Gotta keep my head out of things I can't control....Our Politics are Kinda like a bad A.A. meeting. (been there done THAT,the people in those meetings made me WANT to DRINK)
Happy Happy thoughts.:zip:

That's unfortunate, lots of people have been successful attending AA meetings and remain sober today. Then again, it's not for all.

As with many people who have come to believe, myself included (in the past), there is nothing we can do to change politics would do well to heed the fact that thoughts precede the action and if enough of us believe we can change politics, then without doubt it will change.

Happy, Happy, Positive thoughts :original:,

PaL

Ron Paul believes the Health Bill will not stand for economic reasons.

Ron Paul Interview

Posted by Matt Hawes on 03/23/10 6:19 PM

Congressman Paul appeared on Fox Business' America's Nightly Scoreboard with David Asman.

VIDEO (6:56): http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=33841

States Sue Over Overhaul That Will Bust State Budgets (Update2)

By Pat Wechsler

March 23 (Bloomberg) -- President Barack Obama faces a fight over the health-care overhaul from states that sued today because the legislation’s expansion of Medicaid imposes a fiscal strain on their cash-strapped budgets.

Florida, Texas and Pennsylvania are among 14 states that filed suit after the president signed the bill over the constitutionality of the burden imposed by the legislation. The health-care overhaul will make as many as 15 million more Americans eligible for Medicaid nationwide starting in 2014 and will cost the states billions to administer.

Continues: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/wire.php?view=11151

That Didn't Take Long....

Tuesday, March 23. 2010
Posted by Karl Denninger in Health Reform

From the forum:

"So I just got a call from my health insurance provider. My family rates are going up $200/month ... $2400/year per employee effective April 1st. Didn't take long after signing to get this s**t going.

So much for the "my plan will save Americans" $2500/year in Healthcare premiums.

F***ing liar in chief. "

Yes, this law will induce people to hire, it will improve health access, and it will be positive for the consumer, economy, stock market and spending.

The market rallies on for today, as I sit back and chuckle to myself... "I told you so."

Please, buy more stocks to drive the DOW, S&P, Nasdaq and Russell higher on the mythical economic "recovery" and mythical job gains that will take hold as employers, right here and now, four full years before the "benefits" show up for adults in this bill (those very same workers) get whammied for $2,400 per year in additional costs per employee.

PS: One way or another the employees will be paying every single penny of that cost. Either directly through lower wages (which will do great things for consumer spending and the economy) or indirectly as people are either laid off or not hired in the first place.

SOURCE: http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/2117-That-Didnt-Take-Long.....html

It's Gonna Be Like Christmas! (Health Care)

Tuesday, March 23. 2010
Posted by Karl Denninger in Health Reform

Oh boy are some folks in for a surprise..... http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/7281166/

"It's just going to be like Christmas," said DeCarlo Flythe, who lost health coverage for his family when he was laid off almost three years ago. "It's going to be great. You know, no worries (about) the bills. We are going to go ahead and pay our co-pay and be alright."

You got the $10,000 for the policy and another $10k for the out-of-pocket deductibles, right?

Yes, I know if you are lower-income you'll get subsidies. But that being laid off thing might become more-permanently laid off, you see, since if you go back to work your employer will have to either pay a fine (annually) or pick up the majority of that $10k in cost.

Continues with VIDEO: http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/2115-Its-Gonna-Be-Like-Christmas!-Health-Care.html

MORE FROM KARL DENNINGER UNDER HEALTH REFORM: http://market-ticker.denninger.net/categories/16-Health-Reform

peaceandlove

03-24-2010, 03:04 PM

Fact Sheet: The Truth About the Health Care Bill

Jane Hamsher Founder, FireDogLake.com
Posted: March 19, 2010

We've also taken a detailed look at the bill, and have come up with 18 often stated myths about this health care reform bill.

Real health care reform is the thing we've fought for from the start. It is desperately needed. But this bill falls short on many levels, and hurts many people more than it helps them.

While details are limited, there is apparently a "Plan B" alternative that the White House was considering as recently as two weeks ago, which would evidently expand existing programs -- Medicaid and SCHIP. It would cover half the people at a quarter of the price, but it would not force an unbearable financial burden to those who are already struggling to get by.

One of 18 Myths:

Myth 15: This bill will stop insurance companies from hiking rates 30%-40% per year.

Fact: This bill does not limit insurance company rate hikes. Private insurers continue to be exempt from anti-trust laws, and are free to raise rates without fear of competition in many areas of the country.

Continues: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jane-hamsher/fact-sheet-the-truth-abou_b_506026.html

SOURCE: Catherine Austin Fits' blog: http://solari.com/blog/?p=6614

peaceandlove

03-24-2010, 04:02 PM

Health Care Reform: Voices of Dissent

15 hours ago - ABC News 2:03 | 3264 views

Opponents of the health care reform bill vow to stop it anyway possible.

VIDEO (2:03): http://news.yahoo.com/video/health-15749655/18776536

GOP senators in final drive to stall health bill

By ERICA WERNER, Associated Press Writer – 58 mins ago

WASHINGTON – In a final drive to thwart President Barack Obama's health care remake, Republican senators plan to force Democrats to run a gantlet of politically dicey votes before they can finish a companion bill to the landmark law.

Voting was expected to start late Wednesday on a full list of Republican amendments to a "sidebar" bill making changes Democrats agreed to in the main legislation already signed by Obama. Major components of the "fix" legislation include scaling back a tax on high-cost insurance plans opposed by labor unions, closing the coverage gap in the Medicare prescription benefits, and higher taxes on upper-income earners.

But Republicans have other ideas. Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., wants a vote on his amendment to prohibit coverage of Viagra for sex offenders. Sen. Judd Gregg, R-NH, wants savings from Medicare cuts plowed back into the health care program for seniors, instead of being used to expand coverage to the uninsured. Sen. Mike Enzi, R-Wyo., wants to gut penalties on employers whose workers wind up getting taxpayer subsidized coverage.

Continues: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100324/ap_on_bi_ge/us_health_care_overhaul

THIS IS A BIG ****ING DEAL! Vice President Biden At Health Care Bill Signing :mfr_lol:

From: MoxNewsDotCom | March 23, 2010

VIDEO 37 seconds: http://www.youtube.com/user/MoxNewsDotCom#p/u/22/3TOcZRK6-ZU

peaceandlove

03-24-2010, 10:33 PM

Congratulation Mr President You're Half Way There! Congresswoman Michele Bachmann

From: MoxNewsDotCom | March 24, 2010

VIDEO (4:49): http://www.youtube.com/user/MoxNewsDotCom#p/u/0/y_gzQd6J6jk

Mntruthseeker,

How do you like this Michele Bachmann speech?

PaL

Obama issues low-key order on abortions

By DAVID ESPO, AP Special Correspondent – 3 mins ago

WASHINGTON – Anything but jubilant, President Barack Obama awkwardly kept a promise Wednesday he made to ensure passage of historic health care legislation, pledging the administration would not allow federal funds to pay for elective abortions covered by private insurance.

Unlike Tuesday, when a beaming Obama signed the health care law in a nationally televised ceremony interrupted repeatedly by applause, the White House refused to permit coverage of the event. It occurred in the Oval Office in the presence of a small group of anti-abortion Democratic lawmakers who had extracted the commitment over the weekend. The president supports abortion rights.

Continues: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100324/ap_on_bi_ge/us_health_care_overhaul

Loophole in Healthcare Bill?

Posted by gintstopgitprr on 03/24/10

From this morning's Politico: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/34900.html

"...The bill requires 'congressional staff' to buy insurance from the exchanges - with a stipend from the Office of Personnel Management But page 158 of the bill defines 'congressional staff' narrowly, as "employees employed by the official office of a member of congress, whether in the district office or in Washington."

The Congressional Research Service believes a court could rule that the legislation 'would exclude professional committee staff, joint committee staff, some shared staff, as well as potentially those staff employed by leadership offices.'

If that's so, staffers who work for Nancy Pelosi in her capacity as representative from California would go into the exchange program, while staffers who work for her in her capacity as speaker would stay on the government's plan. Other Capitol employees, like those who work for the Clerk of the House or the House Historian, would be similarly exempted."

Continues: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=33925

peaceandlove

03-25-2010, 01:48 PM

Senate's fix to health care law slowed by snag

By ALAN FRAM, Associated Press Writer – 41 mins ago

WASHINGTON – After nine straight hours of beating back Republican amendments, Senate Democrats hit a temporary snag Thursday in their drive to rush through a package of fixes to the big health care law signed by President Barack Obama.

Democratic Senate leaders had hoped to complete work on the fix-it bill by midday Thursday and get it quickly to Obama to avoid prolonging what has been a politically painful ordeal for the party.

But Republicans learned early Thursday they will be able to kill some language in the bill that relates to Pell grants for low-income college students. That means the altered bill will have to be returned to the House for final congressional approval before it can be sent to Obama.

Continues: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_health_care_overhaul

Ohio: A Healthcare Battleground

Posted by Matt Holdridge on 03/24/10

Citizens and legislators in Ohio are exploring three different avenues to block aspects of the recent health care reform bill.

The first, like other states, is a lawsuit arguing the constitutionality of the bill as it relates to the states. However, an Ohio State University law professor is not optimistic about its chances.

The Examiner is reporting:

Continues: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=33952

peaceandlove

03-25-2010, 02:22 PM

This is a curious article???

Almost a quarter of Republicans think Obama 'may be the Antichrist' as 14 states sue over healthcare reforms

By DAVID GARDNER
24th March 2010

Americans who suggest Barack Obama should rot in hell are apparently deadly serious.

Nearly a quarter of Republicans believe the Democrat president 'may be the Antichrist', according to a survey.

An even greater number compared him to Hitler.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1260195/U-S-healthcare-reform-14-rebel-states-sue.html#ixzz0jCLJlHwJ

Health care plan has hearty list of taxes

By Star-Ledger Wire Services
March 25, 2010

The new health care reform law is chock-full of new taxes and tax increases that will affect many individuals and businesses, but it will be years before most of these hikes take a bite out of your -- or your company’s -- wallet. The law also has tax breaks to help both individuals and small businesses pay for insurance.

Figuring out exactly what the new law’s impact will be on your finances will be tricky, not only because many of the effective dates are delayed, but also because the law signed by President Obama will most likely change very soon: After passing the Senate bill on March 21, the House also approved a package of modifications that the Senate plans to pass before the end of the month.

Take a look at what’s coming down the road, starting with provisions that take effect first:

bull; A new 10 percent excise tax on indoor tanning services that takes effect for services provided after June 30, 2010.

Continues: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/wire.php?view=11173

:Update:

I also posted this today in response to shybastid on the Bob Chapman thread.

Ken Pittman vs. Barney Frank on HEALTH CARE BILL 3/23/2010

VIDEO Part 1 of 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5pUb_iR_Dk

peaceandlove

03-25-2010, 05:59 PM

Threats to members of Congress.

The militia movement.

Bring Your Guns To Washington Rally! April 19, 2010

From: MoxNewsDotCom | March 24, 2010

Rachel Maddow Reports

VIDEO (8:41): http://www.youtube.com/user/MoxNewsDotCom#p/u/10/pNHZNYoy5tk

peaceandlove

03-26-2010, 09:26 AM

Ron Paul: Executive Orders are Unconstitutional; We Need a Private Option in Healthcare

From: RonPaul2008dotcom | March 25, 2010

Executive orders are unconstitutional and it's a shame the American people put up with them. We need tort reform and a private option in healthcare for people who don't want to be forced into the system by government.

VIDEO (5:52): http://www.youtube.com/user/RonPaul2008dotcom#p/a/u/1/KK6cJ83blP4

peaceandlove

03-26-2010, 09:39 AM

Republicans send health care bill back to House for another vote

By MEREDITH SHINER & CHRIS FRATES | 3/25/10 7:04 AM EDT

Senate Republicans have suceeded in forcing Democrats to send the health reform reconciliation bill back to the House for another vote, after Senate parliamentarian Alan Frumin ruled early Thursday morning that two minor provisions violated the chamber's rules and couldn’t be included in the final bill.

Democrats believe the provisions — technical changes to language about Pell Grants for low-income students – are so minor that they don’t threaten to derail the reconciliation package, which includes a series of fixes to the reform bill that has already been signed into law by President Barack Obama.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0310/35003.html#ixzz0jH1Ujhsh

SOURCE: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/wire.php?view=11177

Governor McDonnell Signs Virginia Healthcare Freedom Act Legislation

Posted by dljholt on 03/25/10

Governor Bob McDonnell signs the Virginia Healthcare Freedom Act in a mid-afternoon ceremony in Richmond, VA. He was joined at the bill signing by Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli, Senators Steve Martin, Fred Quayle, and Jill Vogel and Delegate Bob Marshall. Virginia Secretary of Health and Human Resources Dr. Bill Hazel also participated in the event. The signing ceremony was held in the Governor's Cabinet conference room in the Patrick Henry Building on Capitol Square.

VIDEO (11:05): http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=33951

peaceandlove

03-26-2010, 05:35 PM

:Update:

15 New Taxes The Democrats Just Foisted On The American People

The bill is littered with tax increases in order to fund the expansion of health coverage for Americans, and the Reconciliation Act, now in the Senate, has similar increases.

EASY READ of the TAXES: http://www.businessinsider.com/healthcare-bill-new-taxes-2010-3#excise-tax-on-high-cost-employer-sponsored-health-coverage-1#ixzz0jIydidSO

Baron Cross

03-26-2010, 09:25 PM

This Bill is full of new tax hikes that really nobody can afford, if I'm wrong please correct me with a gentle manner :original:, all taxes are going up and all insurance are going way up, my way of thinking is this is a bail out for the insurance companies, because everybody would have to get insurance and the insurance companies can charge upto 9% of your total income max question is how do they know how much you make , unless they get a copy from the IRS or demand you give them a copy sounds like a socialist to me and the people that can't afford to buy or dont need to will be tax with 2.5% excise tax, and businesses with 8% tax for not providing insurance to employees, there goes the small businesses, they tax you 2.5% and the FED still don't provide you with any insurance, the only way the gov will provide you with insurance if your 4 degree below the poverty line WOW even the people on poverty can't use that money for insurance so what is the money for then? they charging new taxes on everything like new equipment sold for hospitals, charging insurance companies 40% tax if they charge above certain amount, plastic surgeries so on and so on. And this will bring down the stock market for sure they are saying might be taxing 3.8% above what you usually pay taxes on investments/income I'm not sure on this one, but i know for sure I'll be paying extra 1.5% percent more for this bill even if I have insurance, which will kick in for 2011 tax time and the max FED tax bracket will revert to 40%, I might end up paying 45% FED taxes and Californians will end up paying upto 56.6% ouch with State Taxes, if these passes the way it is we might end up with a mass revolt for sure....what do you guys think?

Baron Cross

03-26-2010, 09:36 PM

So either the insurance companies will get you or the FED will :nono: :wall:. If the FED will charge us for this Health Care Reform they could atleast make it reasonable like 2% and you get insurance coverage for everyone that pays (US and Immigrants) and US citizen.

peaceandlove

03-27-2010, 12:31 AM

This Bill is full of new tax hikes that really nobody can afford, I might end up paying 45% FED taxes and Californians will end up paying upto 56.6% ouch with State Taxes, if these passes the way it is we might end up with a mass revolt for sure....what do you guys think?

Blessings Baron Cross,

You got it!

This article was posted at Campaign for Liberty about a month ago and it's relevant to what you stated above.

PaL

Time to Limit Government's Take of Our Incomes

Posted by Doug Bandow on 02/27/10

Six of ten Americans want to limit government's take of their incomes to half. That's way too much, but at least it's a start.

According to Rassmussen Reports:

Most Americans favor a law that would limit the amount of taxes paid to state, local and federal governments so that no one would pay more than 50% of their total income in taxes.

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 61% of adults nationwide favor such a limit. Nineteen percent (19%) are opposed, and another 19% are not sure.

A majority of all age groups under 65 favor a 50% tax ceiling. Among senior citizens, 41% favor that limit, 20% are opposed, and 39% are not sure.

Any limit would be better than nothing. Now it's just the interest groups against the taxpayers, attempting to mulct as much of our incomes as possible. Cap the looters' take, and then they have to start fighting each other.

Moreover, most Americans oppose new taxes because they realize that any new revenue is far more likely to be wasted on new special interest programs than in cutting the deficit. Another Rasmussen poll is illuminating:

Continues: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=33033

Another relevant Campaign for Liberty article.

Will America Break Up?

Posted by Orville Brettman on 03/26/10

By Jeffrey T. Kuhner

President Obama is splintering America. The passage of Obamacare was a historic victory for liberal governance. Yet, its true cost may be that it triggers the eventual breakup of the country.

Mr. Obama has achieved what his liberal predecessors - Franklin D. Roosevelt, Lyndon B. Johnson, Bill Clinton - could only dream of: nationalized health care. Obamacare signifies the government take-over of one-sixth of the U.S. economy. It has dealt a mortal blow to traditional America. We are now a European-style socialist welfare state. The inevitable permanent tax hikes, massive public bureaucracy and liberal ruling elites will stifle competition and initiative.

Excerpt:

"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not," warned Thomas Jefferson.

Jefferson was right: Redistributionist welfare policies are undermining our democracy. The resentments in America are growing. Tea Partiers believe that their government no longer represents their interests or values. The heartland is becoming dangerously alienated from the political class, whom it feels has betrayed them.

Obamacare may be the last straw. It strips away fundamental economic liberties, empowering the federal government to de facto nationalize everyone's body by controlling our health. Americans are compelled - upon pain of penalty and eventual imprisonment - to purchase insurance.

Continues: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=34025

See how states could be divided according to Igor Panarin. Chart in this thread :arrow:

Russian Scholar Says U.S. Will Collapse Next Year

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=11791&highlight=states+split
POSTED by: Antaletriangle 3/5/2009

MOSCOW — If you're inclined to believe Igor Panarin, and the Kremlin wouldn't mind if you did, then President Barack Obama will order martial law this year, (Obama Care??? back door martial law as I see it.),the U.S. will split into six rump-states before 2011, and Russia and China will become the backbones of a new world order.

Panarin might be easy to ignore but for the fact that he is a dean at the Foreign Ministry's school for future diplomats and a regular on Russia's state-guided TV channels. And his predictions fit into the anti-American story line of the Kremlin leadership.

"There is a high probability that the collapse of the United States will occur by 2010," Panarin told dozens of students, professors and diplomats Tuesday at the Diplomatic Academy — a lecture the ministry pointedly invited The Associated Press and other foreign media to attend.

Continues at PA thread link: http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=11791&highlight=states+split