[UNVERIFIED] US To Declare October ‘Economic Emergency’, Suspend Elections

[bluestix]

The Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation (FSB) is reporting in the Kremlin today that the Bank of England has received from the United States Federal Reserve Bank a ‘notice’ that President Bush is preparing to declare an ‘Economic Emergency’ during the week of October 5th and will further announce that the American Presidential election due to be held on November 4th will be ‘indefinitely suspended’.


From WhatDoesItMean.com (http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1141.htm)

[Anchor]

Wow! I was always told things would move fast, but this is breathtaking.

Lets hope they can spill the secrets they got of those US trucks they captured in Georgia before then so everyone can start to see the true position.

[empathy]

I predicted bush suspending the elections and declaring martial law a long long time ago.... But It hadn't occurred to me he could do it under an "economic emergency"..... I had him pegged for another "terrorist attack" and I think I speak for a lot of people when I say.

We will have a reckoning. If it's his playbook, then so be it.
At least we can stand united against an economic emergency.... right?

And the fear sets in....


Honestly though, all my frustrations aside.

Economic emergency? This all sounds too orchestrated to be true. It is like they saw this coming the whole time (DUH) and no wonder they don't care about the 9/11 movement... It will defuse when people can't afford to eat.

Well now that we are all caught up.... what now?

[Morphious]

WOW ! unbeleavable , and yeah i would have thought bush would do something war like to keep in office. and i was getting to the point where i was like hmm maybe he will leave ...but maybe not XD owell we are all screwed ! lol jk ...From caos comes the truth and the light !!!

[Nyssa]

Ha, this fits perfectly with the 'Half Past Human' predictive web bots.

[JohnWdoe]

If real simply astounding... this is not going to bode well with Americans at ALL and its just one big horrible mess down on wall street... this could be a primmer for the truth movements which Alex Jones parades around with.

*shakes head about the situation*

[ladyluck]

I am stunned by the news!

I would have preferred to have heard the news through more mainstream media avenues..... but we all know that nothing will be mentioned until AFTER martial law is declared and subsequently the suspension of the elections.

I agree with empathy.... I would have thought that martial law be declared after another terrorist attack on USA soil or when Bush declares war on Iran.

I'm based in the UK. At the moment of the collapse of Lehman brothers, the London ftse 100 fell 5% instantaneously! I'm telling you, bad news travels faster than the speed of light! :lmao:

What do you think will happen when USA declares bankruptcy? I would like to know the possible processes of economic collapse across the globe. I'm not a financial expert, so any throughts from an Ivy League economic professor would be greatly aprpeciated!

Blessings!

Aletha

[storm4ce]

So the neocons are still on track with their plans. Already the hurricane has devastated a part of the country. 'Economic emergency', elections getting suspended and martial law:sad:, it will get worse than ever. It is hard to imagine the situation if US declares bankruptcy.

[ARE WE THERE YET]

MY THOUGHTS AND LOVE TO ALL IN AMERICA NOW WHO ARE AWAKE

Yes even in New Zealand they are treating this MELTDOWN as though it where a piece of chicken stuck in your teeth. All you need is a toothpick.

I am laughing at the lies they are telling even us. It will be okay in a few years and all it means is you need to tighten your belt-spend less and pay off your debts.:mfr_omg:

I too thought they would suspend the elections.We heard not a word today about Ike or the devestation. Not a single mention! Shame on New Zealand.

The entire press on this has been shut up.

Feel free to tell me whats really happened and I will pass it on.:trumpet:

[TranceAm]

Martial Law because of Economical Emergency?

:mfr_lol:

I don't think he will get away with it.
Is this the same Man that keeps stating that the economy is booming as a preacher to his choir (of by the MSM claimed 34%)?

BTW, where exactly IN the constitution is it stated, that the President can Overrule the Constitution, specifically the part where it states how and when the president is elected, or his term limits?

[storm4ce]

We heard not a word today about Ike or the devestation. Not a single mention! Shame on New Zealand.

The entire press on this has been shut up.

Eventhough many news channels had put the news on top, not much is shown in the mainstream media. Media restricted from covering Hurricane Ike’s devastation (http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/15/hurricane-ike-media/)

[bluestix]

And this is how the U.S. Treasury would handle an economic collapse. It's called the 6900 series of protocols. It would start with declaring a force majeure, which would immediately be interpreted by the marketplaces as a de facto repudiation of debt. Then the SEC and the various regulatory exchanges would anticipate the market's decline, hour by hour -- when Japan's markets opened the next day, what would happen when the European markets, and all the inter- linkages of the global markets. On the second day, US Special Forces would be dropped in by parachute in the cities where the twelve Federal Reserve district banks are located.



On Day Three, the New York Stock Exchange, the SEC and other related agencies would recommend to the United States Treasury and the Federal Reserve that all markets be closed. That would be on the morning of Day Three. Eleven a.m., the Federal Reserve would then order all domestic banks closed. All of the twelve Federal Reserve district banks would (30 minutes later) have special U.S. forces parachuted in and around them to secure whatever gold bullion reserves they had left.

Day Three, 9:00 p.m., the President of the United States would declare a state of martial law. All financial transactions would come to an end. The Treasury would act to formally de-monetize the U.S. dollar and declare it worthless.

This would be totally unprecedented. In the past, collapses have been temporary and have been brought back up. But what we're talking about now is the end.

These protocols that I'm referring to aren't even all that secret. They were publicly available all through the Clinton era. These are Treasury protocols that were instituted mostly in the late 1970s when the Treasury and Federal Reserve began to feel that it was important to have an emergency-collapse protocol in place.


And that's literally how it would begin. By the end of the third day, it would be all over -- a state of martial law. We're not talking about war, now; this is just economic collapse.

There's no military implication here, no political, no social implication or policy directive thereunto. This is strictly economic collapse. By the end of Day Three, effectively, all banks in the world will be shut down, all paper currencies will become valueless. Martial law would be declared. There would be no continuing transactions, at least for a period of time, of commodities. All providers of fuels and foods would be shut down automatically.

They have this in great detail too. U.S. Department of Defense Special 117th Assault Unit would parachute in to seize control of the cattle yards in Oklahoma City. This is how well it's planned. In other words, economic collapse would automatically involve expansive military action and control.

By the end of the third day, when you no longer have a domestic medium of exchange, you have to have secured food and fuel stocks. You've got to have troops that have secured distribution points where there is food and fuel stocks, warehouses, tanks, etc. Otherwise people are just going to go get them, and the people have to know that if they try to go break into that store and steal that loaf of bread, they're going to be shot.


EDIT: Here is the link (http://www.rense.com/general80/protc.htm)

:trumpet:

[Phoenix]

People, people, people! Wind your necks in!

Do you just accept ANY random posting as truth? Do you ever check out or try to verify information before you react and freak out?

Well for those that don't, Ive done it for you.....


http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread304918/pg1


tsk.....tsk.....tsk......:thumbdown:

[Phosphene_Sparks]

They are clearly going to start rounding people up and shoving them into the FEMA concentration camps.

[warngen]

People, people, people! Wind your necks in!

Do you just accept ANY random posting as truth? Do you ever check out or try to verify information before you react and freak out?

Well for those that don't, Ive done it for you.....


http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread304918/pg1


tsk.....tsk.....tsk......

hahaha. I hope you do realize that abovetopsecret website is run by the cia...and is most likely disinformation itself...not trying to hate...but do make sure you have done your homework before you tell others to do their homework...BTW the article in whatdoesitmean speaks of AIG and its troubles....as a matter of fact..i just saw the bad news on AIG not 15 minutes ago...so i have accidentally credited the sources..

Thanks

[Phoenix]

hahaha. I hope you do realize that abovetopsecret website is run by the cia

I didn't realize that but look forward to you posting evidence to back up your claim!

I did however find this....

"Sorcha is not a female nor is this entity Russian. It is a CIA disinformation avenue, intended for a western audience. A mixture of truth and fiction, the CIA prefered menu, it is intended to confuse the thoughtful internet reader about the issues"

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message551085/pg1

I found it on the internet so it must be true, check and mate :roll1:

Seriously though, this source is hugely controversial and nothing more than propaganda, is it really a credible enough source to make you all run around like headless chickens?

[peacelovinman]

Martial Law because of Economical Emergency?

:mfr_lol:

I don't think he will get away with it.
Is this the same Man that keeps stating that the economy is booming as a preacher to his choir (of by the MSM claimed 34%)?

BTW, where exactly IN the constitution is it stated, that the President can Overrule the Constitution, specifically the part where it states how and when the president is elected, or his term limits?

With all due respect, these people got away with 9/11. They believe they are impregnable, with a docile population ready to roll over and have their tummies ticked.

[Greg10036]

Just because somebody says this will happen does not mean it is so. If this would happen, you forgot day four- The largest civil war in the history of the world breaks out. US government is disbanded. Redistricting of the US in progress. Reevaluation of the US Constitution with any reference of Laws of Admiralty erased.
day five- deregulation of all R&D and usage of alternative energy sources. All Carter and Regan administration presidential orders scrapped.
day six- new system of commodity exchange established based upon regional bartering and personal energetics. Fiat money is abandoned as a failed experiment of the past.
day seven- whoever survives, enjoy life.

[Antaletriangle]

One thing that i'm aware of about these topics is that the majority on this site are fully aware of the potential situation and a matter of 'when or will' this happen is not the immediate issue;The issue is that do not be surprised if this does happen or something similar-'forewarned is forearmed' to quote the owd sayin'!We know the capabilities of these forces.

[troopgear]

Not really buying this one.......

WHY!!! The money flow don't show anything like this.....

Money will move, long before event like this.......

Small secret if you know how to use it......

Remember..... money is the biggest market in the world....
So, if that were true, you would be looking at 5-7 trillion dollars a day
trade, with US Bonds selling...... even if you trickle it out, it would show.....

[John aka#404]

The Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation (FSB) is reporting in the Kremlin today that the Bank of England has received from the United States Federal Reserve Bank a ‘notice’ that President Bush is preparing to declare an ‘Economic Emergency’ during the week of October 5th and will further announce that the American Presidential election due to be held on November 4th will be ‘indefinitely suspended’.

From WhatDoesItMean.com (http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1141.htm)

Sorcha Faal and "What does it mean.com" is an unreliable source. It does not surprise me to see an article spring up to attempt to create/ride a wave that has been discussed for the past year. Discernment is our greatest defense.

[TranceAm]

With all due respect, these people got away with 9/11.

No they didn't get away with it. They only haven't been punished for it yet.

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/album.php?albumid=160&pictureid=1137

[QUESTINY]

I havnt been able to verify this. Does anyone else have confirmation of this claim?

[lightworkers]

please don't forget our role in all of this!
we are all creating our future here, every thought, every word
constantly

please don't forget how WONDERFUL + POWERFUL
YOU ARE!!!!!

we are all co-creators in everything that happens
good or bad

let's CHOOSE to make this a GOOD outcome
think positive about everything, especially now

LET LOVE RULE

NO FEAR!

Fake
Evidence
Appearing
Real

Peace, Love + Light to all

:wub2:

[John aka#404]

I havnt been able to verify this. Does anyone else have confirmation of this claim?

Refer to my post #21 above.
Sorcha Faal and "What does it mean.com" is an unreliable source. It does not surprise me to see an article spring up to attempt to create/ride a wave that has been discussed for the past year. Discernment is our greatest defense.


I flag this as a RED HERRING folks. Possibly a herring they truly want to create if they can get everybody to focus on the fear of it.


And I cannot help but quote Lightworker...

please don't forget our role in all of this!
we are all creating our future here, every thought, every word
constantly

please don't forget how WONDERFUL + POWERFUL
YOU ARE!!!!!

we are all co-creators in everything that happens
good or bad

let's CHOOSE to make this a GOOD outcome
think positive about everything, especially now

LET LOVE RULE

NO FEAR!

Fake
Evidence
Appearing
Real

Peace, Love + Light to all

:wub2:

[Jacqui D]

This has been said before heard this in a interview somewhere i think it may have been David wilcock about delaying the presidential votings or making ita permanant .
Wasn't it said that Bush would be the last president!
If this isn't a red herring it seems like it may go that way then

[Kerry Cassidy]

Hi All,

Our take on the Sorcha FaaL news item is that this is UNVERIFIED... Most of Sorcha Faal's news items contain wild speculations that extend the facts into a perhaps possible future scenario but cannot be verified.

Although this "could happen" there is NO OFFICIAL STATEMENT or verification from any reputable source of the headline: "US To Declare October ‘Economic Emergency’, Suspend Elections..."

That is not to say it couldn't happen. It could.

Best wishes,

Kerry

[warngen]

I didn't realize that but look forward to you posting evidence to back up your claim!

The people who created Project Avalon and Project Camelot recognized this after they interviewed John Lear!

Watch their on camera interview with them.



BTW who can REALLY believe ANYTHING ANYONE says these days?!?

troubling

[mervo]

The Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation (FSB) is reporting in the Kremlin today that the Bank of England has received from the United States Federal Reserve Bank a ‘notice’ that President Bush is preparing to declare an ‘Economic Emergency’ during the week of October 5th and will further announce that the American Presidential election due to be held on November 4th will be ‘indefinitely suspended’.


From WhatDoesItMean.com (http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1141.htm)


As mentioned above there are other sources which indicate this
will happen.

7th October 11:05 AM EST ?

or

When the baseball soap opera distracts?

or

I'd think all of us millionaires will be diversifying.

I reckon food and water will be our currency.

Fiat Currency is DEAD!

[Rocky_Shorz]

I havnt been able to verify this. Does anyone else have confirmation of this claim?


Fabrication...

Russian Military Analysts commenting on these reports state that though it is unlikely that the American President can suspend US elections solely on the basis of an Economic Emergency alone, it is entirely probable that he could do so should their Nation suffer another 9/11 type attack, and which they ‘cryptically’ observe could place as early as September 22nd as American Military Forces begin to conduct their World-Wide tests of their new nuclear alert system as they conduct another test of their so-called Star Wars Missile Defense System.

[Northboy]

I predicted bush suspending the elections and declaring martial law a long long time ago.... But It hadn't occurred to me he could do it under an "economic emergency"..... I had him pegged for another "terrorist attack" and I think I speak for a lot of people when I say.

We will have a reckoning. If it's his playbook, then so be it.
At least we can stand united against an economic emergency.... right?

And the fear sets in....


Honestly though, all my frustrations aside.

Economic emergency? This all sounds too orchestrated to be true. It is like they saw this coming the whole time (DUH) and no wonder they don't care about the 9/11 movement... It will defuse when people can't afford to eat.

Well now that we are all caught up.... what now?

Build an economic entity around them. Start with community markets and we can go from there.....If you are serious.

[arcora]

I wouldn't believe Sorcha Fall if she said the sun will rise in the east tomorrow.

Calm down and consider the source.

See my other post on this hoaxster:

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=6808#post7016

[TranceAm]

Whoohooo..

"Russian Military Analysts commenting on these reports state that though it is unlikely that the American President can suspend US elections solely on the basis of an Economic Emergency alone, it is entirely probable that he could do so should their Nation suffer another 9/11 type attack, and which they ‘cryptically’ observe could place as early as September 22nd as American Military Forces begin to conduct their World-Wide tests of their new nuclear alert system as they conduct another test of their so-called Star Wars Missile Defense System."

September 22nd a new test of a nuclear alert system...

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=nWRlcCTke-4&feature=related

The destruction of the "fleet"/"bait" in the black sea is like a 911, who according to the Project for a new American Century (Neocons) would be like a Pearl Harbor...

And in spite that none of the Government officials (Rice) had any info (clue) about planes flying into buildings, there were numerous exercises training exactly for that event..

I guess, we may have to meet this weekend with the several groups and get a meeting spot in case event... So everyone knows where to go to.

For related info.. http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=_VdJ5r-dGD4&feature=related

We may have to put this in its own thread.. If So Moderators please do freely.
Keep in mind the quote from Rocky_Shorz in this thread triggered me to make this reply.

[JPS]

.

[Greg10036]

"let's CHOOSE to make this a GOOD outcome
think positive about everything, especially now

LET LOVE RULE

NO FEAR!"

Amen to that. Love and Peace.
Greg

[Andre]

Fascinating post.

I think that even the guys from Half Past Human made a similar statement about an event happening in October that could affect the elections, however I don't see that happening. Based on how Brezinski has manipulated Barack Obama into this overnight sensation, I don't see how they could have placed him before a adoring audience of over 200,000 in Germany and not have him as the next President. The 8 years of George Bush coupled with the collapse of the economy seems to be a direct catalyst to get Obama elected.

If I was looking for a event in October, it probably would be a withdrawal from the Republican ticket by Governor Sarah Palin.

[conjuredUp]

LET LOVE RULE

NO FEAR!

Fake
Evidence
Appearing
Real

Peace, Love + Light to all

:wub2:


Ahhh.... such a goddess. :-)

Love and only Love,
C

[dolphin]

on Alex Jones radio show, the other day, he had a man talk about a secret closed session in congress (some congress members supposedly were in such shock, they leaked it to alternative press in australia) recently discussing how the US economy and dollar downfall is immenent. that the AMERO would be the new standard. they even told members of congress where "safe houses" would be for them should the public get angry and take vengence on them during riots...

maybe this is during the martial law...please let this not be true!

[dolphin]

[QUOTE=bluestix;14377]And this is how the U.S. Treasury would handle an economic collapse. It's called the 6900 series of protocols. It would start with declaring a force majeure, which would immediately be interpreted by the marketplaces as a de facto repudiation of debt. Then the SEC and the various regulatory exchanges would anticipate the market's decline, hour by hour -- when Japan's markets opened the next day, what would happen when the European markets, and all the inter- linkages of the global markets. On the second day, US Special Forces would be dropped in by parachute in the cities where the twelve Federal Reserve district banks are located.

------)

hey where did you get this descriptive scenario? do yo have anything to back it up?

[LOCOAZ2008]

sorry for my gramar i am from peru, here in peru when our president do or claim to do samething and we dont like it we go to the strets and make some noise out there.

if you realy want to be heard, you must sceem out what you feel, not in a forum but in the strets.

Thas que way we peruvian do to stop presidents do what they want.

[Rocky_Shorz]

sorry for my grammar i am from Peru, here in Peru when our president do or claim to do something and we don`t like it we go to the streets and make some noise out there.


This turned out not to be a real story, in America, the president can't stop elections because of an economic problem.

What part of Peru are you from?

are people talking much about any 2012 events?

[bluestix]

sorry for my gramar i am from peru, here in peru when our president do or claim to do samething and we dont like it we go to the strets and make some noise out there.

if you realy want to be heard, you must sceem out what you feel, not in a forum but in the strets.

Thas que way we peruvian do to stop presidents do what they want.


In the US we have a company called Raytheon (http://www.google.com/search?q=Raytheon+nwo).

This company is a death merchant who manufactures a variety of instruments of pain.

If you try to protest in the streets of the US the PTB use these weapons on you and then send you to Gitmo.

[Rocky_Shorz]

:mfr_lol: don't scare the poor guy, tell me where even once such a weapon was used on the public in the US

[LOCOAZ2008]

I am from lima but i am living in tumbes near ecuador.
My friends and i, we are making a comunity in the sierra of piura.
If something really hapends we must be prep.

[mntruthseeker]

There are so many many people still sleeping in America I can't believe that I am only one of 7 sisters that believe in this. I am the crazy one. Shame of America

I am not saying I am praying for this, but I did hear that before the end of the year 5 leaders would be asassinated. One would be Bush and in Oct

The war is being stopped at every point. How much did bush think he could get by with?

Bush has been met with more obstruction then he figured on. I heard one bomb attempt to America already stopped in it's track.

[Rocky_Shorz]

I used to live in DL and Mtka, loved it out there...

What part of the state are you from?

[Rocky_Shorz]

I am from Lima but i am living in tumbes near Ecuador.
My friends and i, we are making a community in the sierra of piura.
If something really happens we must be prep.

There are a lot of people from America heading your direction. I was surprised to hear Ecuador just signed a big agreement with Iran, I hope they don't close the doors to us like Venezuela has done.

I've visited Peru before, its gorgeous, when we flew out they had to modify the plane so we could fly out at 50,000 feet, there was some border war going on and we had to fly over it high enough that they couldn't touch us... :wink2:

[Isa]

I so appreciate this forum; both the alarming posts and the calming responses. It's interesting to me what goes on inside my body and my psyche as I am reading. What will happen... it's all so confusing... scary.... but really more than anything it is VERY interesting! I run the gamut of emotions, from feeling overwhelmed/alarmed to feeling excited and hopeful. I am very grateful to the light workers here who grace these boards with positive reminders of the power within. This is truly where our hope is greatest. It's strange, because even though the world is looking more and more frightening, I am feeling less and less fear every day. Meditation works, yo! :thumb_yello:

[Carol]

It has been my observation over the past several years in following Sorcha Faal's reports that they are disinformation pieces. She consistently confabulates, where she'll take a few bits and pieces of real news, and then makes up her own scenario of what does all of this mean.

I also enjoy reading her posts for the entertainment factor. It's always a mystery as to what she'll confabulate next and how they (her sources) are trying to influence others thoughts with respect to skewing reality to suit some nefarious purpose.

[LOCOAZ2008]

Rocky_Shorz
"don't scare the poor guy, tell me where even once such a weapon was used on the public in the US "

IS BETER IF YOU TRANSLATE THIS OK.

ANTE TODO MI POST ERA PARA HACERLES VER QUE ES MUCHO MEJOR SI NO ESTAN DE ACUERDO CON ALGUNA DISPOSICION DE SU GOBIERNO SALIR A LAS CALLES Y PROTESTAR, ACUERDENSE QUE USTEDES PAGAN TAXES Y QUE DE ESO TAXES SON PAGADOS SUS GOBERNANTES, OSEA ELLOS TRABAJAN PARA USTEDES, Y COBRAN SU SUELDO POR SUS TAXES, OSEA QUE USTEDES TIENEN TODO EL DERECHO DE PROTESTAR SI SUS GOBERNANTES QUIEREN HACER ALGO QUE USTEDES NO QUIEREN AQUI EN EL PERU LA PROTESTA POPULAR HACE QUE NUESTRO GOBIERNO DE MARCHA ATRAS SI NO VEAN LAS NOTICIAS DE BILIVIA SU PUEEBLO VA HA CONSEGUIR QUE EL GOBIERNO DE MARCHA ATRAS CON SUS DECRETOS QUE EL PUEBLO NO LOS QUIERE, NO ESTOY REFIRIENDO A LA VIOLENCIA SINO A UNA PROTESTA PACIFICA PERO EN DONDE ELPUEBLO RECHAZA LO QUE SU GOBERNANTE QUIERE HACER.

ESPERO QUE ENTIENDAN LA TRADUCCION... I WISH YOU UNDERSTAND DE TRANSLATION.

[Oiran]

I don't know if this Faal article is based on the "truth" or if it's deliberate disinfo. Either way, it definitely got my attention.

It's becoming exceedingly difficult to know who to "trust" these days, isn't it?

On a lighter note, something to consider...

"One of the most salient features of our culture is that there is so much ********. Everyone knows this. Each of us contributes his share. But we tend to take the situation for granted. Most people are rather confident of their ability to recognize ******** and to avoid being taken in by it. So the phenomenon has not aroused much deliberate concern, or attracted much sustained inquiry. In consequence, we have no clear understanding of what ******** is, why there is so much of it, or what functions it serves."
~Harry Frankfurt

Taken from, "On ********."
http://web.archive.org/web/20040421060422/www.jelks.nu/misc/articles/bs.html

[gwynned]

[QUOTE=bluestix;14221]The Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation (FSB) is reporting in the Kremlin today that the Bank of England has received from the United States Federal Reserve Bank a ‘notice’ that President Bush is preparing to declare an ‘Economic Emergency’ during the week of October 5th and will further announce that the American Presidential election due to be held on November 4th will be ‘indefinitely suspended’. /QUOTE]

First off, who is the author of this article and how does she get this inside information? The link to the Russian site is in Russian, so I could not verify what she is saying. Further, in the text of the article, she mentions that Bush probably could not declare marshall law solely due to economic circumstances, but would require a false flag operation. I think we've all suspected this might happen, but my hunch is that, if they can be certain of their ability to control the outcome of the election, they would not resort to such extraordinary measures.

I don't know about anyone else, but lately it feels like I'm in the final moments of a thriller movie and am hopeful that the good guys win, peace is restored and we all live happily ever after....but it's still a nail biter!

[2infinityandbeyond]

What more can we do then wait and see what happens.

Of course, everyone must be aware that no matter what happens, they have a choice.

They can coose ;

* Fear - It is easy to get caught up in the chaos, and even easier to lower our vibrations. But this is not the answer. For fear feeds this machine, you must understand that.

* Love and Acceptance - When we choose to accept our fate and welcome it with love in our hearts we take away much of the suffering that is usually in involved in such a scenario. We stop feeding the machine and we start feeding each others hearts. To do this requires a strong mind and a steady heart. But just know, there is nothing to ever fear, because this life is just a heartbeat to us. Go through the troubled times with love and acceptance in your hearts, no matter what.

It is up to you how you want to experience reality, and you do have a choice. Even when the whole world is crumbling down around you.

Namaste.

[Thunderbird]

The Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation (FSB) is reporting in the Kremlin today that the Bank of England has received from the United States Federal Reserve Bank a ‘notice’ that President Bush is preparing to declare an ‘Economic Emergency’ during the week of October 5th and will further announce that the American Presidential election due to be held on November 4th will be ‘indefinitely suspended’.


From WhatDoesItMean.com (http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1141.htm)

yeah well my girlfriends uncles roomate said to chill out

[arcora]

Very interesting article - thanks for sharing.

This Sorcha Faal character really appears to strike a chord with people for some reason. I have not seen too many other article authors around here attacked or questioned for validity as quickly as this author has been - very interesting. Referencing ATS and GLP threads is also rock solid proof since neither of those sites are known to be COINTELPRO ;-)

I guess we shall see how close "she" is to the truth next month.

I think the proof is in years and years of this character making outlandish predictions - and none of them coming true.

in America, the president can't stop elections because of an economic problem.

Yes he can. He gave the power to himself in a series of Executive Orders a few years ago.

[David]

There are so many many people still sleeping in America I can't believe that I am only one of 7 sisters that believe in this. I am the crazy one. Shame of America.


Your not the crazy one. Don't be hard on yourself. I was thinking the same thing for the past 8 months after being awakened. I never once in the past thought UFO's were real and was one of those people that mocked others for believing in such nonsense. My eyes and heart are now open.

[GregorArturo]

Well, the question I have is, does anyone speak Russian and can try to verify this? Seems like a long shot but who knows, could help in the long run.

The piece on the closed door meeting, I saw the post earlier on Avalon about that too, very interesting. It would be nice if someone could actually verify if that meeting, whatever it was about, actually took place too. Cause ya, Alex Jones seems like another puppet to me, a half truth.

[arcora]

Well, the question I have is, does anyone speak Russian and can try to verify this? Seems like a long shot but who knows, could help in the long run.

The piece on the closed door meeting, I saw the post earlier on Avalon about that too, very interesting. It would be nice if someone could actually verify if that meeting, whatever it was about, actually took place too. Cause ya, Alex Jones seems like another puppet to me, a half truth.

The meeting took place - that was verified by CSPAN.

The rest is just rumor and speculation. It may be true but it may not be true.

It gained traction because the conspiracy theorists began to speculate on what was discussed.

Then, Australia.to wrote a piece about the meeting and the speculation that was happening.

http://www.australia.to/story/0,25197,23040466-922,00,00.html

Then, the conspiracy theorists used that article as a reputable source to validate their claims.

It was a strange sort of circular logic.

Nobody except those that attended really know what was discussed.

[PTTurboe]

I have read "her" articles for years. They are all bull.

Just let this thread die...

[Rocky_Shorz]

Rocky_Shorz
"don't scare the poor guy, tell me where even once such a weapon was used on the public in the US "

IS BETER IF YOU TRANSLATE THIS OK.

ANTE TODO MI POST ERA PARA HACERLES VER QUE ES MUCHO MEJOR SI NO ESTAN DE ACUERDO CON ALGUNA DISPOSICION DE SU GOBIERNO SALIR A LAS CALLES Y PROTESTAR, ACUERDENSE QUE USTEDES PAGAN TAXES Y QUE DE ESO TAXES SON PAGADOS SUS GOBERNANTES, OSEA ELLOS TRABAJAN PARA USTEDES, Y COBRAN SU SUELDO POR SUS TAXES, OSEA QUE USTEDES TIENEN TODO EL DERECHO DE PROTESTAR SI SUS GOBERNANTES QUIEREN HACER ALGO QUE USTEDES NO QUIEREN AQUI EN EL PERU LA PROTESTA POPULAR HACE QUE NUESTRO GOBIERNO DE MARCHA ATRAS SI NO VEAN LAS NOTICIAS DE BILIVIA SU PUEEBLO VA HA CONSEGUIR QUE EL GOBIERNO DE MARCHA ATRAS CON SUS DECRETOS QUE EL PUEBLO NO LOS QUIERE, NO ESTOY REFIRIENDO A LA VIOLENCIA SINO A UNA PROTESTA PACIFICA PERO EN DONDE ELPUEBLO RECHAZA LO QUE SU GOBERNANTE QUIERE HACER.

ESPERO QUE ENTIENDAN LA TRADUCCION... I WISH YOU UNDERSTAND DE TRANSLATION.

Can someone help me on this one?

[GregorArturo]

I'm confused what I saw earlier had to do with the June 8th closed door meeting, where the US dollar was dead. The article talks about the surveillance one supposedly in March (but it does mention the economic collapse).

[scottyd]

ANTE TODO MI POST ERA PARA HACERLES VER QUE ES MUCHO MEJOR SI NO ESTAN DE ACUERDO CON ALGUNA DISPOSICION DE SU GOBIERNO SALIR A LAS CALLES Y PROTESTAR, ACUERDENSE QUE USTEDES PAGAN TAXES Y QUE DE ESO TAXES SON PAGADOS SUS GOBERNANTES, OSEA ELLOS TRABAJAN PARA USTEDES, Y COBRAN SU SUELDO POR SUS TAXES, OSEA QUE USTEDES TIENEN TODO EL DERECHO DE PROTESTAR SI SUS GOBERNANTES QUIEREN HACER ALGO QUE USTEDES NO QUIEREN AQUI EN EL PERU LA PROTESTA POPULAR HACE QUE NUESTRO GOBIERNO DE MARCHA ATRAS SI NO VEAN LAS NOTICIAS DE BILIVIA SU PUEEBLO VA HA CONSEGUIR QUE EL GOBIERNO DE MARCHA ATRAS CON SUS DECRETOS QUE EL PUEBLO NO LOS QUIERE, NO ESTOY REFIRIENDO A LA VIOLENCIA SINO A UNA PROTESTA PACIFICA PERO EN DONDE ELPUEBLO RECHAZA LO QUE SU GOBERNANTE QUIERE HACER.


Translation:

First and foremost, my post was to make you see that it is much better, if you disagree with some government regulation, to take to the streets and protest. Remember it is your tax money that pays the salaries of government employees, and that they work for you. You have every right to protest if the government does something you don't want. Here in Peru popular protest has made our government back off of decrees that the people don't want. I'm not referring to violence, but to peaceful protest wherein the people reject what the government wants to do.

-scottyd

[Accipiter_Phi]

No way... this would never work... This is not the way to suspend an election.... This would never fly. Think BIGGER. Think DARKER... Blood has to be spilled. We must have a knee jerk reaction that is acceptable to the populace. Remember how on 9/11/o1, the average outraged citizen wanted to turn the mid east into glass? It has to be palatable by the average cat or the soldiers will AWOL.
Maybe, Osama Bin Laden will be carted out from a D.U.M.B. and on the same day there will be staged "reprisals" from all of those alleged "dirty bomb" sleeper cells within the U.S..
Its got to be a Hollywood type event: lots of sparkly things, violence, and colorful explosions... and the hero: Dubya.:winksmiley02:

[empathy]

Build an economic entity around them. Start with community markets and we can go from there.....If you are serious.

Now that sounds good and all. But I think no amount of seriousness on anybodies part will create an economic entity outside the FED (in America) or the central banks throughout the rest of the world.

Am I being naive?

[QUESTINY]

Много Россиян фактически говорят Английский. Россияне, которые делают, находятся обычно в бизнесе и правительстве. Я не был в состоянии проверить историю.

Translation:

Many Russians actually speak English. The Russians that do are usually in business and government. I haven't been able to verify the story.

[Waterman]

Elections ... what elections our last two presidents have been appointed...

[QUESTINY]

Just in case some folks need some hope.

There was a group that met (attended by about 750 on the farm where I live). The main topics of discussion were an alternative economy and communities.


There is a way to get hooked into to all this but only those that seek and knock will have the door open...

Waterman

Waterman, where in the midwest are you from? I am from Nebraska.

[Keoki]

Martial Law because of Economical Emergency?

:mfr_lol:

I don't think he will get away with it.
Is this the same Man that keeps stating that the economy is booming as a preacher to his choir (of by the MSM claimed 34%)?

BTW, where exactly IN the constitution is it stated, that the President can Overrule the Constitution, specifically the part where it states how and when the president is elected, or his term limits?


Since Bush gave himself the powers to do so via Executive Decision. I don't recall the # but Bush basically made himself King. He has also done away with the rules that are supposed to keep the military from being used as law enforcement. FEMA has all their camps built...

[TranceAm]

[/COLOR]

Since Bush gave himself the powers to do so via Executive Decision. I don't recall the # but Bush basically made himself King. He has also done away with the rules that are supposed to keep the military from being used as law enforcement. FEMA has all their camps built...

Yes, that is common knowledge, but are you actually saying that you take that little child serious? He can claim himself King of the Moon, Master of the universe, and have gazillions of brainless goons fullfil his wishes and commands like the Sun king of French history ...
He can claim whatever he want...That habeus Corpus ain't a natural right, that you don't have freedom of speech, But in the end and down the line is only one thing important
DO you take his claims serious? Do act accordingly, by bowing down for his Majesty and his imaginary kingdom? Or do you give him an imaginary -,|,, , smile and continue whatever you are doing?

Ever imagined a Thomas Jeffersion and the Idiot Son of Bush Sr in the same room debating ANY subject? Bush Jr ain't even good enough to polish the shoes of a Jefferson.

[martian31v]

no offense to the original post, but if we're going to think of this site as a credible means of information we have to do a better job of citing verifiable sources. if this was an actual story "reported in the kremlin", then there should be reference to it made by the source cited. i went to the link and did not see any reference. maybe i overlooked. if not, then we should try to find an actual source. in my opinion, no source = speculation or disinformation.

[Rocky_Shorz]

ANTE TODO MI POST ERA PARA HACERLES VER QUE ES MUCHO MEJOR SI NO ESTAN DE ACUERDO CON ALGUNA DISPOSICION DE SU GOBIERNO SALIR A LAS CALLES Y PROTESTAR, ACUERDENSE QUE USTEDES PAGAN TAXES Y QUE DE ESO TAXES SON PAGADOS SUS GOBERNANTES, OSEA ELLOS TRABAJAN PARA USTEDES, Y COBRAN SU SUELDO POR SUS TAXES, OSEA QUE USTEDES TIENEN TODO EL DERECHO DE PROTESTAR SI SUS GOBERNANTES QUIEREN HACER ALGO QUE USTEDES NO QUIEREN AQUI EN EL PERU LA PROTESTA POPULAR HACE QUE NUESTRO GOBIERNO DE MARCHA ATRAS SI NO VEAN LAS NOTICIAS DE BILIVIA SU PUEEBLO VA HA CONSEGUIR QUE EL GOBIERNO DE MARCHA ATRAS CON SUS DECRETOS QUE EL PUEBLO NO LOS QUIERE, NO ESTOY REFIRIENDO A LA VIOLENCIA SINO A UNA PROTESTA PACIFICA PERO EN DONDE ELPUEBLO RECHAZA LO QUE SU GOBERNANTE QUIERE HACER.


Translation:

First and foremost, my post was to make you see that it is much better, if you disagree with some government regulation, to take to the streets and protest. Remember it is your tax money that pays the salaries of government employees, and that they work for you. You have every right to protest if the government does something you don't want. Here in Peru popular protest has made our government back off of decrees that the people don't want. I'm not referring to violence, but to peaceful protest wherein the people reject what the government wants to do.

-scottyd

Thank you Scotty,

Maybe we should all move to Peru...

[Sarahmay]

I think they will wait until the giant ufo over Alabama appears on October 14!!!

[dolphin]

Yes, he can in case of a stock market crash:
you will note, under the patriot act, once the president declares martial law he can:

"* Martial law can be declared due to natural disasters, Y2k Crisis, Stock Market crash, no electricity, riots, biological attack, .... anything leading to the breakdown of law and order."


* Martial law is defined as: military rule or authority imposed on a civilian population when the civil authorities cannot maintain law and order, as in a time of war or during an emergency.
* Hitler turned Germany into a Nazi dictatorship through executive orders.
* Executive Order 10995: All communications media are to be seized by the Federal Government. Radio, TV, newspapers, CB, Ham, telephones, and the internet will be under federal control. Hence, the First Amendment will be suspended indefinitely.
* Executive Order 10997: All electrical power, fuels, and all minerals well be seized by the federal government.
* Executive Order 10998: All food resources, farms and farm equipment will be seized by the government. You will not be allowed to hoard food since this is regulated.
* Executive Order 10999: All modes of transportation will go into government control. Any vehicle can be seized.
* Executive Order 11000: All civilians can be used for work under federal supervision.
* Executive Order 11490: Establishes presidential control over all US citizens, businesses, and churches in time of "emergency."
* Executive Order 12919: Directs various Cabinet officials to be constantly ready to take over virtually all aspects of the US economy during a State of National Emergency at the direction of the president.
* Executive Order 13010: Directs FEMA to take control over all government agencies in time of emergency. FEMA is under control of executive branch of the government.
* Executive Order 12656: "ASSIGNMENT OF EMERGENCY PREPAREDNESS RESPONSIBILITIES", "A national emergency is any occurrence, including natural disaster, military attack, technological emergency, or other emergency that seriously degrades or seriously threatens the national security of the United States. Policy for national security emergency preparedness shall be established by the President." This order includes federal takeover of all local law enforcement agencies, wage and price controls, prohibits you from moving assets in or out of the United States, creates a draft, controls all travel in and out of the United States, and much more.
* Martial law can be declared due to natural disasters, Y2k Crisis, Stock Market crash, no electricity, riots, biological attack, .... anything leading to the breakdown of law and order.

SURVIVING MARTIAL LAW

* Prepare before any declaration of marial law by becoming self reliant. You may become subject to a bureaucratic system and be prepared to stay one step ahead of it which is easy to do if you are prepared and in a position to be self reliant. You may also face mob rule, chaos, panic, or a complete breakdown in law and order. Surival situations may be easier to handle in rural areas than urban.
* Avoid areas of marital law. Can be imposed due to natural disasters or man caused events. Important to have a retreat or place in a rural area away from populated areas.
* Create alliances with like minded neighbors or community members that share your views. Team work and numbers may help your situation.
* Become transparent in the sense that you do not draw attention to yourself or your family. For instance, do not tell people that you are storing food just store food. Be prepared to render assistance to neighbors if need be. You never know when you will need them.
* Remain calm! Do not panic.
* Avoid areas of civil unrest if possible. If caught in civil unrest take appropriate action.
* Get informed and stay informed. Understand martial law can be a temporary crisis or an extended one. In extreme cases the shape of a whole nation can change.
* Declaration of martial law means your rights are suspended and it is government by decree. Your constitutional rights may no longer apply. This could mean a state of National Emergency.
* People can be arrested and imprisoned indefinitely without charges.
* Freedom of speech and freedom of assembly can be suspended, and censorship of the media imposed.
* Gun ownership will also come under severe attack during marital law. We could see house to house searches by the military or National Guard looking for guns and seizing any they find along with stored food.
* Take a stand on issues and make a choice that fits your beliefs and the situation. Do you believe as Patrick Henry, "Give me liberty or give me death?" Realize you may have some hard choices to make. Understand you may have to sacrifice your principles on trivial matters or take a hard stand. Always remember that you may have to come back and fight another day.

[dolphin]

not my words, got that from : http://www.nyc.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=50845

[whitecrow]

please don't forget our role in all of this!
we are all creating our future here, every thought, every word
constantly

please don't forget how WONDERFUL + POWERFUL
YOU ARE!!!!!

we are all co-creators in everything that happens
good or bad

let's CHOOSE to make this a GOOD outcome
think positive about everything, especially now

LET LOVE RULE

NO FEAR!

Fake
Evidence
Appearing
Real

Peace, Love + Light to all

:wub2:

NOW you're talkin' my language. Whatever happens, we are all capable of creating a positive outcome. We are living through exciting times. Times of high drama. We are witnessing the fall of empires on an epic scale, economic collapse, environmental catastrophes and a host of other things all happening at the same time. And that's just if you watch the news. If you read, go online and dig, you'll discover two things: one, that things are probably even worse than you thought; and two, there's a whole lot of really good and really hopeful stuff going on too, that isn't on the news or in the papers at all.

I am not at all in denial about all the dire portents, evil men (and women) and terrible events of the times. But I will not become unbalanced. I see also the nobility of the men and women who resist the darkness. They, too, exist in business and in government, and they silently and sometimes secretly and at great risk oppose the worst of the evil that men propose. (And women).

I see the huge idealism of the young - and know that every time I demonstrate that not every member of previous generations is a sellout, I do a good thing. And I know from experience that the boundaries of our perceptions are far from concrete. There IS balance.

If the worst happens, we will overcome it in time. Some of our bodies may perish in the struggle and hardship that is to come, but that is of no consequence in the long run. We all die anyway, so why does everyone run from it so? Knowing what I'm willing to die for also instructs me on what to live for, and that is where I keep my awareness, but I do not fear death. I do fear pain and suffering, but I have endured enough to fear them far less than most.

We know that the system will fail. It is a house of cards. We are witnessing how it stands in the hurricane of world events. But we also know that the nobility of the spirit is imperishable.

Do whatever you can, within your means and your paradigms, to prepare for what may come. If you have food and water stored, you will probably need them. I'd stock up on items that can be used as money: cartons of cigarettes, bottles of booze. But there's only so much any of us can do. Events may trump every plan we make.

Do what you can, what you feel you must, but stay in the light.

[benfranklin]

The US President does have the power to suspend elections. However, I don't think it will happen. I think this is just Communist KGB propaganda. Never believe Russia. When the USSR broke up, they sold off their weapons and bought interest in oil. They want to attack America with $$ not bombs! This started when Reagan stopped them from building an oil pipeline across Europe.

[whalerider]

Regarding Ike: I live West of Houston and as of today, Thursday, 9/18, there are still many parts of the city without electricity. As you drive around the city, there are lots of roof damaged homes and many fences and trees down. As to Galveston Island and Boliver Island, the unofficial body count is low but certain Houston Police Department officers are telling friends and family about the bodies that are being stacked and that many floated out to sea. There are few building left standing and almost none that weren't damaged. Even we don't know the truth and we're here. A local newscaster, last Saturday, confronted the Governor of the State saying that it is unprecedented for the government to not allow access to the news media to report on the affected areas for reporting. We are wondering what they are hiding and don't want us to see. FEMA lied saying trucks were "on the way" last Saturday because, anyone doing the timing and math would easily figure out is that Chertoff's statement was a lie unless the trucks were coming from Anchorage, Alaska because it was over 24 hours before they started arriving. The kindness, resiliency, and attitude of the Texans that are affected is amazing. We really take care of each other. We don't wait for the government to come rescue us! When the citizenry of a Republic can no longer depend on their government for the most basic needs of services and protection, then the citizenry no longer needs that government.
MY THOUGHTS AND LOVE TO ALL IN AMERICA NOW WHO ARE AWAKE

Yes even in New Zealand they are treating this MELTDOWN as though it where a piece of chicken stuck in your teeth. All you need is a toothpick.

I am laughing at the lies they are telling even us. It will be okay in a few years and all it means is you need to tighten your belt-spend less and pay off your debts.:mfr_omg:

I too thought they would suspend the elections.We heard not a word today about Ike or the devestation. Not a single mention! Shame on New Zealand.

The entire press on this has been shut up.

Feel free to tell me whats really happened and I will pass it on.:trumpet:

[ExpandingTruth]

I think it's interesting to see a thread like this - with all the varying perspectives - and note that it attracts so many as we give it energy. In the end we are all free to choose our own beliefs, by sorting through all this stuff, having emotions in response to what we are observing.

So one may take a fear path, a hope path, a victim path, an empowerment path - whatever you are resonating to - is what you are feeling - and to that in your life you will be in alignment to - and those things will come to you.

That's ok - no judgement offered here - the wonderful part of this is that we each get to choose.

I know sometimes it's hard to look at your current version of reality and say, I can't ignore this - or hold the love & light and wish it away. This stuff is here - it's real - it doesn't feel good.

But in these moments can you pivot your thoughts about the situation to see it from a different perspective - as if the situation has resolved to your satisfaction - and you have that moment where you say "wow - i didn't understand it at the time it was happening - but now I see why all of this had to happen this way in the larger picture of my life. You remember those moments?

Try to pivot your thougths to - "well I and many others have been thinking about this and in that asking for an end to greed, corruption, victimization, powerlessness". Now it's all coming together and look, things are moving in that direction! I don't have to know and track all of the bits and bytes of what is going down - who is funding who or bailing out who - who is on the bad end of the stick and who is on the good side. I don't have to find and lay blame on someone or something in order to validate my fears by expressing myself as a victim.

I don't need to give this so much energy - that I start to trigger thoughts that lead to worry thoughts - that connect with others thoughts about my fears about my worst nightmare of complete loss of POWER and FREE WILL and in doing so start to picture, discuss, and create a vortex of energy - that produces and gives birth to these dire ideas - then with the emotions gives life to - and then with our intentions brings them to our doorsteps.

In this pivoting, ask yourself - at the end of the day - what do I want on my doorstep? Then focus on that.

There are some very creative articles in this post from people that appear, in my opinion, to be caught in that POWERLESS vortex. Will you join them or will you let them be, not in judgement or criticism as they are holding their own beliefs - and it's more important for you to look at that and whether you agree or disagree - let them be - they are driving their own bus and steering themselves in their own way. They are looking for others to get on their bus and ride along with them - for various reasons - they are afraid and don't want to be alone in this, they are looking for attention, they are caught up in the drama of the moment, they want reassurance that everything is going to be ok.

Do you see yourself bumping around in this vortex?

Will you ride their bus or will you chose to drive your own car?

Be Love,
ExpandingTruth

[lawyerforliberty]

I am stunned by the news!

I would have preferred to have heard the news through more mainstream media avenues..... but we all know that nothing will be mentioned until AFTER martial law is declared and subsequently the suspension of the elections.

I agree with empathy.... I would have thought that martial law be declared after another terrorist attack on USA soil or when Bush declares war on Iran.

I'm based in the UK. At the moment of the collapse of Lehman brothers, the London ftse 100 fell 5% instantaneously! I'm telling you, bad news travels faster than the speed of light! :lmao:

What do you think will happen when USA declares bankruptcy? I would like to know the possible processes of economic collapse across the globe. I'm not a financial expert, so any throughts from an Ivy League economic professor would be greatly aprpeciated!

Blessings!

Aletha


There are signs of this possibility in the mainstream media. Some of these signs are more subtle than others. A not so subtle, but yet mildly coded sign was exhibited on Good Morning America on 9/18. The program was interrupted by a "Special Report." After a brief announcement referencing the economic problems Bush came on and spoke about the bail outs taking place of AIG and other fiat funny-money huckster institutions. Of course Bush did not use these terms.

My point is that Special Reports are usually reserved for some level of crisis. The economy is in crisis, we are being told. It is just a short hop from crisis to emergency. We are being conditioned to expect things to get worse before they get worse.

This economic financial problem will of course require a solution. Gee, there's that problem-reaction-solution again.

We can speculate about what the solution will be, but there are several probable events that could occur, including nothing at all. For the time being, at least.

[Isa]

There are those who are trying so desperately to wage war and whatever, but events don't always go along as planned.... the rest of the world is also concerned and many who are standing in the way of the insanity... this is from today at the UN (http://voanews.com/english/2008-09-17-voa7.cfm)

People are talking, people are on the net ~ that post from Texas was very revealing, as well as the smaller communities talking about things like currency and independence... lots of things going on; this is not 1930 and although the nazi's might want to take control, doesn't mean they will be able to, at least not for long. Too many in the world have evolved to a point where they are TIRED OF WAR and now are INSISTING ON PEACE!

:partytime2:

(besides, Thunderhead says his girlfriend's uncle's roommate said to chill out, so there ya go)
:lol3:

[Carol]

The financial world is sureal these days.

How much is a Million?
How much is a Billion?
How much is a Trillion?

What's the difference between a million, a billion, a trillion?

A million seconds is 12 days.

A billion seconds is 31 years.

A trillion seconds is 31,688 years. :mfr_omg:

A million minutes ago was – 1 year, 329 days, 10 hours and 40 minutes ago.

A billion minutes ago was just after the time of Christ.

A million hours ago was in 1885.

A billion hours ago man had not yet walked on earth.

A million dollars ago was five (5) seconds ago at the U.S. Treasury.

A billion dollars ago was late yesterday afternoon at the U.S. Treasury. :mfr_omg:

A trillion dollars is so large a number that only politicians
can use the term in conversation... probably because they
seldom think about what they are really saying. I've read that
mathematicians do not even use the term trillion!

Here is some perspective on TRILLION:

Trillion = 1,000,000,000,000.

The country has not existed for a trillion seconds.

Western civilization has not been around a trillion seconds.

One trillion seconds ago – 31,688 years – Neanderthals stalked the plains of Europe.

Million: 1,000,000
Billion: 1,000,000,000
Trillion: 1,000,000,000,000
Quintillion: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000
Sextillion: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Nonillion: 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000
Centillion: 1 followed by 303 zeros

In reality, no one will live long enough to see all this debt paid off. :blink:

[eraser2012]

Martial Law because of Economical Emergency?

:mfr_lol:

I don't think he will get away with it.
Is this the same Man that keeps stating that the economy is booming as a preacher to his choir (of by the MSM claimed 34%)?

BTW, where exactly IN the constitution is it stated, that the President can Overrule the Constitution, specifically the part where it states how and when the president is elected, or his term limits?

Have you read the Patriot Act? There's your answer. per Ron Paul, Congress wasn't even afforded the opportunity to read the bill before it was required to be voted on by the administration. Even if they had, anybody voting against it would have been portrayed by the Neocons as anti-American, weak on security or a terrorist sympathizer.

[TranceAm]

Have you read the Patriot Act?

Eh, In total? -> No, and as far as I know, neither did the patriots in the house.
I guess, the little Anthrax send to some people did the job, of bringing terror close to the house (Pun Intended...). It is one thing to send/order children into a war, but when the danger becomes personal, them old wise people, acted like they would live forever by either sitting on their hands, or playing Duma and clapping on command..

There's your answer. per Ron Paul, Congress wasn't even afforded the opportunity to read the bill before it was required to be voted on by the administration.

By the administration? I thought by the terrorists..
I remember something of Sen Dashle<sp?> getting one powdered mail, everything was closed down, and all mail quarantined. Just before the patriot act voting.. In all them millions and millions pieces of quarantined mail, there was just one more letter found...
Want to calculate the statistics, that that was to the man that was hated by Terrorists and Cheney alike? And none other were found.

Even if they had, anybody voting against it would have been portrayed by the Neocons as anti-American, weak on security or a terrorist sympathizer.

And by everyone else.. (Real Americans, Patriots, Constitution supporters, Thinking people.. You know the kind...) as not under control... Neither by blackmail nor by corruption.

Ok, to give you an answer... They can make you believe what ever they want or need you to believe in.
.
The document gives the house powers, to make laws.
That even over rule natural rights.
And that is fine. As longs as the Church they preach to, contains more then the majority of Americans.
Hell they can even make it unlawful to breat air. Some thing you normally don't think about.. But it is nothing more then a couple of words on paper, a couple of signatures, and hopla. There is a law that makes it illegal to breath air, one longful at a time...

As (emty suit) Gonzalez stated, Habeus Corpus isn't stated in the constitution. And he was so correct!!!! Because Habeus Corpus is a Natural RIGHT..
It is the glue of a society.. That everyone that makes a claim, shows the evidence that basis that claim. ( A right among EQUALS. )
The most wonderfull part of that meeting/hearing was that NO one corrected him, by stating that the constitution was a government limiting document, not a Populations Permission statement. And even when government makes a claim, about ones crimeful history, then even the government has to show the proof, to a group of citizens. The government is NOT a church. It is based and the outcome of a contract between a population, and the people that will be elected from them to rule or represent them all.

Now citizen, do you believe, that the state doesn't have to grant you the right, to see any and every evidence of the crime they are about to convict you about?

Do you really believe that they (And now at once we are talking about a small group of conspirators/hijackers of the government of the United States of America.) have the right to do so?
As I stated above": "They can make you believe what ever they want or need you to believe in."

But whether you believe that is up to you.

And if you don't believe, well citizen, what can I say or state but what the founding fathers stated:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

:smoke:

[Steve_A]

Hi Phoenix,

The things that the people have been stating here may have some truth to them. It wouldn't be the first time on this planet that governments have refused to run elections because of 'national emergencies'. So we must try to at least keep in the middle here to try and work the big picture out.

I was interested that you posted a link to ATS denouncing somebody who was posting lies. I would have thought that the moderator teams on that forum site would have simply moderated out 'her' messages, or even banned her IP address, or account etc. if they were that bothered, instead of waiting twenty subjects later and denouncing her. Just a thought.

Let's get back to the plot. I can imagine the US starting marshall law quite easily, especially if this 700 billion bill doesn't get passed. Why? Well not because of market meltdown as that only would hurt the fat cats who work the market.

Marshall law as I see it will come around when the people eventually understand that they will loose all of their life savings that they have in the bank and en mass try to withdraw their money out. Imagine the trouble that will be caused because of the impossible action of supplying the people with their savings. This would stop EVERY link in the commerce chain. No money in the banks, no money to leave the banks, no wages to receive, no money to spend, no shopping, only shop-lifting and the thing just snowballs on from there.

We have seen this sort of thing happening in the world. Here in Brazil in the 1980s the government took all the savings from the public to try and balance its' books.
http://www.estado.com.br/editorias/2007/03/15/pol-1.93.11.20070315.10.1.xml

In the UK during 1981 the Toxteth incident proved too much for the police:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxteth_riots

So we can see that there could be a necessity to 'nip in the bud' any type of social unrest before it starts. If this will be part of a New World Order secret plan sort of thing or just a Making Sure Nothing Unruly Happens Because The Market Let Us Down is not really important.

I think it interesting to try and play out these scenários so that at least the people (or sheeple as many forums like to call them) will at least understand how they should act, or at least what they should expect.

I would, however, if I were in the US, go straight to the bank in the morning and withdraw all of my savings and hide them untill the decisions have been made. I may lose a week or twos' interest, but in the case of a negative response from congress, it's better than losing everything.

Best regards,

Steve


People, people, people! Wind your necks in!

Do you just accept ANY random posting as truth? Do you ever check out or try to verify information before you react and freak out?

Well for those that don't, Ive done it for you.....


http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread304918/pg1


tsk.....tsk.....tsk......:thumbdown:

[eraser2012]

Your point is understood. I was not suggesting that by virtue of a hastily passed piece of legislation could or would overstep the will of the people, but instead to make the point that the Constitution under which this Country was founded as been subverted time and again over the last 8 years.. so much so, in fact, that legislation which flies directly in the face of our founding principals was passed without so much as a floor hearing, let alone public debate. So, technically, it does not matter what the Constitution says to establish the legal precendent for suspending the presidential elections, disbanding Congress, or declaring marshall law in the name of a "national emergency" as the precendent has been signed into law and now establishes the clear doorway through which the neocons, namely the Bush administration, may freely walk in carrying out their intentions. Will it succeed? Ultimately, I do not believe it will. Can/will it be attempted, absolutely it can be.. and it very well may be. Is there going to be a national emergency based on the premise of this string? I say unlikely, but certainly plausible.

Anyway, thanks for the thoughtful response. I intend only to contribute where I can to the collective knowledge and hope that this forum make possible. While we still have the Internet, at least.

[Debugged]

I'm watching our local Fox affiliate at the moment. The FBI is finally investigating the bank meltdown, suspecting fraud. They are looking into the top ones that failed: Fannie and Freddie, Lehman and AIG. It's looking like congress is not going to rubber-stamp that bail-out, either.

I'm praying that people are finally waking up.

[TranceAm]

I'm praying that people are finally waking up.

Nothing can block an idea who's time has finally come.

We are getting critical brain mass... :)

[THE eXchanger]

I'm watching our local Fox affiliate at the moment. The FBI is finally investigating the bank meltdown, suspecting fraud. They are looking into the top ones that failed: Fannie and Freddie, Lehman and AIG. It's looking like congress is not going to rubber-stamp that bail-out, either.

I'm praying that people are finally waking up.

i hope that is NOT like the government investigating
the "put options" from sep 11 ...
on that list, there would have been so real amazing clues
instead, didn't someone destroy/or dump that info ???

a question,
how many members,
are there in the usa congress ?

& what happens if people went to their
local congressman/or congresswomen offices-
what happens at those levels --
aren't the people who voted for them angry ???

how can people read 4,000 page bills/
and, why do they slip things; that do NOT belong
with laws that, should be considered

what if a past president was NOT a usa citizen,
then, wouldn't all the laws he inacted,
while in office, NOT be valid ???

curious
susan

[Waterman]

I wonder what is going to happen and what we should do?

[warriorsoul]

how about early election to prevent them going into election suspension?

FBI investigation could be a play, just something to soften public angers

[Operator]

I would, however, if I were in the US, go straight to the bank in the morning and withdraw all of my savings and hide them untill the decisions have been made. I may lose a week or twos' interest, but in the case of a negative response from congress, it's better than losing everything.


Hi, I wouldn't leave it in a bank anyway ... With the inflation spiraling up it's better not to go for interest rates at the banks.

And don't keep it in your pocket ... otherwise you will have worthless paper in your pocket soon ...

If you are not planning to move or if you are not able to move (due to whatever the circumstances) the best deal is probably stockpiling durable food.

Again, given the inflation that's the best you can do ...
However you should keep enough money to cover bills for e.g. utilities for as long as it lasts.

Whatever happens brothers and sisters, we'll stick together as ONE, an unbreakable force, wherever we are !

[visual co-creator]

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[Operator]

You're going to need something to wipe your ass with if you have to take a **** in a bush... so, it won't be COMPLETLY worthless!

If you have to **** in the bush ... you will probably have moved indeed instead of staying in an urban zone ...

Now serious: in that case you will have to **** an a plastic bag and take it with you, leave no traces ... :shocked:

[Jonathon]

I listened to a good portion of the "hearings" today. Sounds like the same bunch of grandstanding blabber mouths I listened to during the "blank check" hearings on Fannie and Freddie. Yes, they were so concerned for their constituents... loud mouthing at Big Hank and Uncle Ben. And yet it passed.

Act II of these theatrics will be more of the same. Look and talk tough during national media coverage, then slip in the YES vote. In my opinion it will pass with an overwhelming majority. They have convinced everyone financial armageddon is upon us (and maybe it is). Even the most rigid of spines in congress will bend to this one. Furthermore, these guys didn't just throw this plan together over a few beers at the strip club last week. They have their people in place... and most of the rest can be bought or extorted. There's nothing a wad of cash and a few dirty diapers won't get you in congress.

At the end of the day, whatever happens is very likely what they intended to happen. Be ready either way. Keep enough small bills on you to make it through 3 or 4 weeks minimum.

[Steve_A]

Hi Operator,

I was thinking exactly that overnight. Not necessarily food though, as food is available in prime form from plants and small animals. So there must be other thing to trade your paper for before it's rendered toilet roll. I don't think gold is the way to go, as don't forget, if the banks have no money, they're not likely to have gold, which reminds me of an interview George Green made with Camelot, where he explained that he could only buy a limited amount of gold with a six month wait to receive it. Either few people have an awful lot of gold or there is little gold on this Earth either way, in this current situation, it would also be very risky to try and buy gold directly from a bank. I also imagine tet George knew something was going to appen at the point when he discovered that gold was sooo difficult to aquire. It could be a better idea to look for used gold in pawnbroker shops, if gold was what you wanted. Personally I think gold is overrated.

But anyway, we need to think of something to buy to use the paper money before its' rendered useless. Something portable, but useful and something that will be useful if at the other end of this difficult time we survive, to not look foolish, something that doen't need fuel to work. I think land in far off places could be a good idea. If at the end the world becomes a peaceful place, at least you could sell the land or even go on your hols and spend time there.

Any other ideas?

Best regards,

Steve



Hi, I wouldn't leave it in a bank anyway ... With the inflation spiraling up it's better not to go for interest rates at the banks.

And don't keep it in your pocket ... otherwise you will have worthless paper in your pocket soon ...

If you are not planning to move or if you are not able to move (due to whatever the circumstances) the best deal is probably stockpiling durable food.

Again, given the inflation that's the best you can do ...
However you should keep enough money to cover bills for e.g. utilities for as long as it lasts.

Whatever happens brothers and sisters, we'll stick together as ONE, an unbreakable force, wherever we are !

[Stephen]

I found this video.

Anyone Speak/Understand Russian?

YouTube Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEmuXzUpjg0

[Steve_A]

Hi Phoenix,

I really must insist on everybody withdrawing their money from their bank accounts immediately before they lose everything. To reinforce my comment on marshall law, I found a thread in this forum and investigated its' source. You would be advised, as would everybody with an interest, to read the following:

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/09/army_homeland_090708w/

Brigade homeland tours start Oct. 1

3rd Infantry’s 1st BCT trains for a new dwell-time mission. Helping ‘people at home’ may become a permanent part of the active Army
By Gina Cavallaro - Staff writer
Posted : Monday Sep 8, 2008 6:15:06 EDT

The 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team has spent 35 of the last 60 months in Iraq patrolling in full battle rattle, helping restore essential services and escorting supply convoys.

Now they’re training for the same mission — with a twist — at home.

Beginning Oct. 1 for 12 months, the 1st BCT will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command, as an on-call federal response force for natural or manmade emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.

It is not the first time an active-duty unit has been tapped to help at home. In August 2005, for example, when Hurricane Katrina unleashed hell in Mississippi and Louisiana, several active-duty units were pulled from various posts and mobilized to those areas.

But this new mission marks the first time an active unit has been given a dedicated assignment to NorthCom, a joint command established in 2002 to provide command and control for federal homeland defense efforts and coordinate defense support of civil authorities.

After 1st BCT finishes its dwell-time mission, expectations are that another, as yet unnamed, active-duty brigade will take over and that the mission will be a permanent one.

“Right now, the response force requirement will be an enduring mission. How the [Defense Department] chooses to source that and whether or not they continue to assign them to NorthCom, that could change in the future,” said Army Col. Louis Vogler, chief of NorthCom future operations. “Now, the plan is to assign a force every year.”

The command is at Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado Springs, Colo., but the soldiers with 1st BCT, who returned in April after 15 months in Iraq, will operate out of their home post at Fort Stewart, Ga., where they’ll be able to go to school, spend time with their families and train for their new homeland mission as well as the counterinsurgency mission in the war zones.

Stop-loss will not be in effect, so soldiers will be able to leave the Army or move to new assignments during the mission, and the operational tempo will be variable.

Don’t look for any extra time off, though. The at-home mission does not take the place of scheduled combat-zone deployments and will take place during the so-called dwell time a unit gets to reset and regenerate after a deployment.

The 1st of the 3rd is still scheduled to deploy to either Iraq or Afghanistan in early 2010, which means the soldiers will have been home a minimum of 20 months by the time they ship out.

In the meantime, they’ll learn new skills, use some of the ones they acquired in the war zone and more than likely will not be shot at while doing any of it.

They may be called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive, or CBRNE, attack.

Training for homeland scenarios has already begun at Fort Stewart and includes specialty tasks such as knowing how to use the “jaws of life” to extract a person from a mangled vehicle; extra medical training for a CBRNE incident; and working with U.S. Forestry Service experts on how to go in with chainsaws and cut and clear trees to clear a road or area.

The 1st BCT’s soldiers also will learn how to use “the first ever nonlethal package that the Army has fielded,” 1st BCT commander Col. Roger Cloutier said, referring to crowd and traffic control equipment and nonlethal weapons designed to subdue unruly or dangerous individuals without killing them.

“It’s a new modular package of nonlethal capabilities that they’re fielding. They’ve been using pieces of it in Iraq, but this is the first time that these modules were consolidated and this package fielded, and because of this mission we’re undertaking we were the first to get it.”

The package includes equipment to stand up a hasty road block; spike strips for slowing, stopping or controlling traffic; shields and batons; and, beanbag bullets.

“I was the first guy in the brigade to get Tasered,” said Cloutier, describing the experience as “your worst muscle cramp ever — times 10 throughout your whole body.

“I’m not a small guy, I weigh 230 pounds ... it put me on my knees in seconds.”

The brigade will not change its name, but the force will be known for the next year as a CBRNE Consequence Management Response Force, or CCMRF (pronounced “sea-smurf”).

“I can’t think of a more noble mission than this,” said Cloutier, who took command in July. “We’ve been all over the world during this time of conflict, but now our mission is to take care of citizens at home ... and depending on where an event occurred, you’re going home to take care of your home town, your loved ones.”

While soldiers’ combat training is applicable, he said, some nuances don’t apply.

“If we go in, we’re going in to help American citizens on American soil, to save lives, provide critical life support, help clear debris, restore normalcy and support whatever local agencies need us to do, so it’s kind of a different role,” said Cloutier, who, as the division operations officer on the last rotation, learned of the homeland mission a few months ago while they were still in Iraq.

Some brigade elements will be on call around the clock, during which time they’ll do their regular marksmanship, gunnery and other deployment training. That’s because the unit will continue to train and reset for the next deployment, even as it serves in its CCMRF mission.

Should personnel be needed at an earthquake in California, for example, all or part of the brigade could be scrambled there, depending on the extent of the need and the specialties involved.

Other branches included
The active Army’s new dwell-time mission is part of a NorthCom and DOD response package.

Active-duty soldiers will be part of a force that includes elements from other military branches and dedicated National Guard Weapons of Mass Destruction-Civil Support Teams.

A final mission rehearsal exercise is scheduled for mid-September at Fort Stewart and will be run by Joint Task Force Civil Support, a unit based out of Fort Monroe, Va., that will coordinate and evaluate the interservice event.

In addition to 1st BCT, other Army units will take part in the two-week training exercise, including elements of the 1st Medical Brigade out of Fort Hood, Texas, and the 82nd Combat Aviation Brigade from Fort Bragg, N.C.

There also will be Air Force engineer and medical units, the Marine Corps Chemical, Biological Initial Reaction Force, a Navy weather team and members of the Defense Logistics Agency and the Defense Threat Reduction Agency.

One of the things Vogler said they’ll be looking at is communications capabilities between the services.

“It is a concern, and we’re trying to check that and one of the ways we do that is by having these sorts of exercises. Leading up to this, we are going to rehearse and set up some of the communications systems to make sure we have interoperability,” he said.

“I don’t know what America’s overall plan is — I just know that 24 hours a day, seven days a week, there are soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines that are standing by to come and help if they’re called,” Cloutier said. “It makes me feel good as an American to know that my country has dedicated a force to come in and help the people at home.”



People, people, people! Wind your necks in!

Do you just accept ANY random posting as truth? Do you ever check out or try to verify information before you react and freak out?

Well for those that don't, Ive done it for you.....


http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread304918/pg1


tsk.....tsk.....tsk......:thumbdown:

[MrSpoon]

SKY NEWS Presidential Campaign Put On Hold (http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/McCain-puts-campaign-on-hold/Article/200809415106572?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15106572_McCain_puts_campaign_on_hold)

John McCain says he is putting his presidential campaign on hold to return to Washington and help with the bailout negotiations.

[Steve_A]

Hi MrSpoon,

Shocking news! Between you and me.... we all knew it was on the books though.

Read the other posts on this thread, it seems that it's all folding out as predicted.

So this is the beginning of the end... now I can feel it.

Best regards,

Steve



SKY NEWS Presidential Campaign Put On Hold (http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/McCain-puts-campaign-on-hold/Article/200809415106572?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15106572_McCain_puts_campaign_on_hold)

John McCain says he is putting his presidential campaign on hold to return to Washington and help with the bailout negotiations.

[SkyWatcher]

Obama will have to follow suit, so he looks patriotic, putting the needs of the country ... next, we may have to suspend the election until we figure this all out.

Peeking out from under the bed.

Nancy

[MrSpoon]

I, It really does look like the start of the king George scenario, I still think there is more to come out out this side of pond (UK) as well to add more fuel to the fire

[ladyluck]

SKY NEWS Presidential Campaign Put On Hold (http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/McCain-puts-campaign-on-hold/Article/200809415106572?lpos=World_News_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15106572_McCain_puts_campaign_on_hold)

John McCain says he is putting his presidential campaign on hold to return to Washington and help with the bailout negotiations.



WOW! :yikes: ..... just... WOW!

could the suspension of the presidential election really be possible?


MrSpoon has a point regarding the financial fecal matter hitting the fan over here in the UK.

I'm just wondering how much more volatile could it get in the USA as well as the UK and the world?

[Galatea]

http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s81/GalateaKusanagi/098.png

[Myra]

You're going to need something to wipe your ass with if you have to take a **** in a bush... so, it won't be COMPLETLY worthless!

Hahaha at least it will still be good for something! :lmao:

[TranceAm]

Can someone explain this or give a better viewpoint?:

So Wall Street goes sour.
The big profits and riscs turn into losses. (Although someone over time skimmed a lot of lifetime converted to at least minimum wage hours in money from a lot of people..)

The government, borrows more money from the feds, and in effect raise the national debt, to bail them "free marketers" out in an bright shining flash of corporate welfare..

The world finances this hand out (in the form of an inflation of the (secret!) dollar supply with another $700 Billion,) with a value decrease of the dollars out there.
The taxpayers have even more interest to pay to the bankers.

And what about this:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/22/dirty-secret-of-the-bailo_n_128294.html

"Section 8 (which ironically reminds one of the popular name of the portion of the 1937 Housing Act that paved the way for subsidized affordable housing ) of this legislation is just a single sentence of thirty-two words, but it represents a significant consolidation of power and an abdication of oversight authority that's so flat-out astounding that it ought to set one's hair on fire. It reads, in its entirety:

"Decisions by the Secretary pursuant to the authority of this Act are non-reviewable and committed to agency discretion, and may not be reviewed by any court of law or any administrative agency."

Anyone any thoughts?

[Carol]

It means that all of the US is the pooch which is being s****** by Bush and his criminal cartel. If Congress goes along with this then they are also part of the criminal cartel. Pay close attention to a vote if taken and then you'll know who works for big buisness.

[mntruthseeker]

I say they have gotten away with it, just like all the other wars in this world that have been started by them. I don't think the ones being punished are the real "he/she" more likely a clone.

Until the history books are rewritten with the truth only, they have gotten away with it!

We must stop it for once and for all.

wake up more friends:sleep_1::sleep_1:

[Stephen]

Obama will have to follow suit, so he looks patriotic, putting the needs of the country ... next, we may have to suspend the election until we figure this all out.

Peeking out from under the bed.

Nancy
NO he does not have to follow suit.
This is a political trick by McCain.
He knows he is getting his butt kicked in the polls so he is trying to throw everything off balanced.
The Commission on Presidential Debates is not going for it either.

This is also a trick to try to postpone or delete the Vice Presidential Debate too.
McCain's Team knows all to well that Joe Biden will mop the floor with Sarah Palin.

McCain also LIED directly to David Letterman too about not having 'time' to go on his show.
Then McCain was seen in the SAME building as David Letterman on CBS News with Katie Cortic.
You can view that here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XjkCrfylq-E

Before anyone thinks that is not important then think again.
David Letterman is a pretty savvy interviewer.

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

if you have food and water and a "safe place plan" then you have less to worry about.. remember we are moving away from the system and being self reliant. if we are prepared timing is only an issue in as much as when to be vigilant and calm as people around you start to lose it. "first put your own mask on then help others" as some one said once. twin peaks director?

[peaceandlove]

If Bush doesn't get his money the New World Order will back him up on the Martial Law. Be Prepared...look for dots on your mailbox to determine what they do with you. See Officer Jack McLamb's speech from the Ron Paul Revolution March at youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwPw-WazBok&feature=related

The 700 Billion dollar bailout is a nefarious number, most predictions are it will be closer to 2 Trillion or more.

This was a comment posted at Ron Paul's campaignforliberty.com website today. The new and improved campaignforliberty.com debuts tomorrow. Check it out.

Ron Paul introduced a bill back in June to abolish the Fed. You can search for a copy of it on his website: campaignforliberty.com:trumpet:

COMMENT:
EVERYONE LISTEN UP THE VOTE IS MEANINGLESS. THE FED DOES NOT NEED CONGRESS' APPROVAL. THEY STILL MADE 600 BILLION OUT OF THIN AIR TODAY. THE ONLY THING TO STOP THE FED IS TO ABOLISH IT. IN APRIL 2008 GWB GAVE THE FED TOTAL CONTROLL OVER ALL MONETARY POLICY. WE LOST OUR FREEDOM IN APRIL. SITE MANAGER TELL THESE PEOPLE THE TRUTH. THIS VOTE DOES NOT MEAN A THING. HERE IS A LINK IF YOU DON’T BELIEVE ME. http://www.jbs.org/index.php/jbs-new...ederal-reserve STOP BEING SHEEP.

[addalight]

second link doesn't work

[izz]

The Federal Security Service of the Russian Federation (FSB) is reporting in the Kremlin today that the Bank of England has received from the United States Federal Reserve Bank a ‘notice’ that President Bush is preparing to declare an ‘Economic Emergency’ during the week of October 5th and will further announce that the American Presidential election due to be held on November 4th will be ‘indefinitely suspended’.


From WhatDoesItMean.com (http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1141.htm)


i really think we should use discernment before posting alarmist message..

this person sorcha 'foul' is a big big trouble maker .. and obviously is getting off on the fear energy generated ... why is anyone on avalon quoting this misinformation idiot ..

this is someone who truly works for dark forces

[TranceAm]

i really think we should use discernment before posting alarmist message..

this person sorcha 'foul' is a big big trouble maker .. and obviously is getting off on the fear energy generated ... why is anyone on avalon quoting this misinformation idiot ..

this is someone who truly works for dark forces

Oh, <s>he could be someone from the KGB or the KGB itself,
But just a little what if,
What if they manage to check every time the powers that be, with the information they spill out... Just a notch... Just a notch to NOT have to go to world war... Blasphemy?

Of course it is mis or dis info, if the perps change their plans, because someone spilled the beans..

However, the situation we seem to be in, ain't mis or dis info, and the boy that cried wolf might be right this time? Not? Did you check the children?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c87uooTuPoY

I surely hope the Russians love their children so much, that they protect our children.

[izz]

Oh, <s>he could be someone from the KGB or the KGB itself,
.


and so could i ? :naughty:

[Nate]

If it was real then why would they need psy-ops?

[TranceAm]

New info..

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=mMs733gFg-I

(http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/05/20070509-12.html)

NATIONAL SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL DIRECTIVE/NSPD 51

(b) "Catastrophic Emergency" means any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions;



So an "Economical" Disruption severely affecting the US Economy is reason enough for Bush to become dictator defacto according to his own decree, that wasn't voted down by the Senate in 60 days..

The American Population has let congress know about their "NO" case the bail out..
The Senate fears that Bush will call, and declare emergency if the bail out doesn't become law....
Edit, hence his appearance on TV to urge to the public the necessity of the bill, and later to use as justification.

I think the American Population has already stated to Bush and his Neo-Cons "BRING IT ON!" in Defiance to his lordship wishes. The media may claim he is on 30%, But I think it is more like 5-10% pending on the number of people that still watch Fox News.

And to answer the question of the author of the movie, why now, 7 years after 911?
His time is running out, and the terrorists aren't really helping him. (And why would they if they are on the opposite side?)

Or is he afraid of a really UNITED American People, that call themselves patriots because they ARE patriots and know the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence By Heart?

The Cusp is nearing my friends.

As I posted on the Uncensored Forum (Censored out of existence now, and cleaned from the google cache...)


Submitted by TranceAm on Fri, 11/30/2007
TranceAm's picture

Now the question becomes:

Are you going to be told what an American can do, or do you define that yourself? ... ...
Are you an adult, or a kid in need of a nanny state to take care of you by controlling every aspect of your life?

Do you really have that need to believe that you need permission to be free,
Do you believe that it is normal for a free person to be allowed to read something,
Do you believe that it is normal for a free person to be allowed to say something,
Do you believe that it is normal for a free person to be allowed to eat something,
Do you believe that it is normal for a free person to be allowed to drink something,
Do you believe that it is normal for a free person to be allowed to smoke something
Do you believe that it is normal for a free person to be allowed to have ideals that aren't on the
State enforced Patriots actions/ideals lists?

Or is that up to yourself, and based on GOD (If you believe in such entity.) or your by your human intelligence created rights?

The time of sitting on the fence will be over.

For every intelligent inhabitant of this world, and that includes Americans..

Every American, And I mean every American either citizen, civil servant, child, parent, Man, Woman, Military, WILL have to make a decision...
Do I support tyranny by silence and obedience in fear for its wrath in violence, (And thus experience a time warp to Stalin's USSR?)
or is there a spark of the fight and determination of the founding fathers and their ideals (However discredited by rewriting of history.) still present?

Can they tell me what to think and what to talk about,
or won't I allow them that power over me as a Free citizen of this world AND America!
After all where do they get the gall to declare these idiotic thoughts of their prevailing over mine?
Their right to do as they please DID end at my nose where MY rights begin.

Next week IS going to be the defining moment for America and the world for the definition of Freedom and what it really stands for to be "brave".

The constitution and bill of rights was maybe born 200+ years ago,
But next week will be its delivery, And hopeful its ideas and ideals are not stillborn, and to become history as a failed experiment (Like at one time this forum was claimed.).

Because the only thing that needs to happen is the FOURTH branch of Government, (The branch no one in the three other branches want to acknowledge to you, member of the fourth branch!)
To tell the other Three branches that they went over the edge, and are now ALL recalled, all power issued and established by the people to people in official functions are revoked by we the people,
this until new officials are declared by national emergency vote of all citizens.

And the fourth branch IS "We the People"...
If 300 Million Americans say to that idiot bunch that calls themselves the American government, You can go f..k yourself with your laws, since we won't grant them any credibility anymore like they are OUR laws that WE support.

>>> IT IS OVER.

As the founding fathers stated, in a document they called "The Declaration of Independence"
that no House nor Senate of traitors could ever rewrite,
No Judges could ever call unconstitutional,
and No President could ever decree out of existence since their very existence and established of power are BASED upon it:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident,
that all men are created equal,
that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,
that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,
That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends,
it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government,
laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form,
as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes;
and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable,
than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism,
it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

Now, I may be Suicided, Executed, Tortured, Imprisoned, for this post, BUT at least, I knew my priorities and what side I CHOOSE when the choice became tyranny or Freedom.

Your call people.

[Scooby]

Been Expecting it. The half past human guy has been saying for months that on OCT. 7th there would be an event that would take till march or april before we pull out. It was predicted it would be half economic and half military. didnt have time to read thread. Sorry if any of this has been mentioned

[TranceAm]

New info..NATIONAL SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL DIRECTIVE/NSPD 51

(b) "Catastrophic Emergency" means any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions;
So an "Economical" Disruption severely affecting the US Economy is reason enough for Bush to become dictator defacto according to his own decree, that wasn't voted down by the Senate in 60 days..

The American Population has let congress know about their "NO" case the bail out..
The Senate fears that Bush will call, and declare emergency if the bail out doesn't become law

Dang, I hate to be right:

http://www.vloggingtheapocalypse.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=772&title=REP__THREATENED___MARTIAL_LAW_US_IF_BAILOUT_ _FAILS

"
Rep. Brad Sherman says Congress threatened with Martial Law in the Unitied States if Bailout bill is not passed"


ps to MOD or Admin: What is going on with the HTML and the Icons on this forum? [ADMIN EDIT: Nothing is going on with the HTML. You had a } instead of a ] Thank You :-)

[peaceandlove]

ADDALIGHT,

RE: second link doesn't work

The link is from the John Birch Society website. If your talking about the link at the bottom of the post. The other Jack McLamb speech, Revolution March...you can search for at youtube.

jbs.org

With Peace and Love in Mind, :wub2: