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seeing clearly
09-16-2008, 08:34 AM
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Extracted from The Natural Testosterone Plan by Stephen Harrod Buhner

Hops is best known for its use in beer. The majority of physicians and men overlook its potent chemicals and do not realize that beer itself can significantly alter the male androgen levels. German beer makers noticed long ago that the young women who picked hops in the fields commonly experienced early menstrual periods. Eventually, researchers discovered the reason – hops is perhaps one of the most powerfully estrogenic plants on Earth. Just 100 grams of hops (about 3.5 ounces) contains anywhere from thirty thousand to three hundred thousand IUs of estrogen, depending on the type of hops. Most of it is the very potent estrogen estradiol. Estradiol, as it is taken into the male body, causes a direct lowering of testosterone levels in the testes and an increase in SHBG levels, which then binds up even more free testosterone in the bloodstream. The estradiol in hops has also been found to directly interfere with the ability of the testes Leydig cells to produce testosterone. The presence of this highly estrogenic substance in beer is not an accident.

Prior to the German Beer Purity Act of 1516, beer almost never contained hops. In fact, more than one hundred different plants were used in brewing beer for at least ten thousand years prior to the introduction of hops in the middle ages. For the last thousand years of that period, the most dominant form of “beer” was called gruit, which contained a mixture of yarrow, bog myrtle, and marsh rosemary. These herbs, especially in beer, are sexually and mentally stimulating. (It is rare to become sleepy when drinking un-hopped beers.) The Catholic Church had a monopoly on the production of gruit, but competing merchants and the Protestants worked together to break their monopoly and force the removal of all sexually stimulating herbs from beer. They replaced them with an herb that puts the drinker to sleep and dulls sexual drive in the male. The legislative arguments of the day all hinged on the issue of the stimulating effects of other herbs that were used in beer. A pilsner, for example, was originally a henbane beer (pilsen means “henbane”), which is an incredibly strong, psychoactive beer, used earlier in history by German berserkers before battle. The German Beer Purity Act was, in effect, the first drug control law ever enacted.

Beer, so highly touted as sexy in television commercials, in actuality can powerfully inhibit sexual strength in men. There is a well known condition in England – Brewer’s Droop – that occurs from middle-aged brewers’ extensive handling of hops plants. The plant chemistries readily transmit through the men’s skin just as they did in the young women in the fields. Very few physicians have looked at any correlation between beer drinking and androgen levels or erectile dysfunction problems in their patients. (How many men on Viagra are heavy beer drinkers?) However, the physician Eugene Shippen in The Testosterone Syndrome comments that one of his patients undergoing pharmaceutical testosterone replacement therapy, showed no response to the testosterone until he reduced his beer intake to one or two beers a night from six to seven. Hops is extremely potent and its consumption should be limited if not completely excluded during all androgen replacement therapy. These effects can be exacerbated if the beers you buy also contain licorice (see Licorice section at beginning of chapter), a fact that will not be noted the beer label.

It is possible to buy beer that does not interfere with androgen levels, although it can be somewhat hard to find. Some microbreweries and brew pubs are now making traditional gruits. Check the brew pubs in your town. However, the best source is Bruce Williams, a Scottish Brewer who is bringing back the traditional ales of Europe and especially Scotland (i.e., pre-hopped European beers). He has five in production and they can often be found in larger American cities at any store that carries a wide selection of unusual beers. The heather ale is excellent but perhaps more useful would be the traditional pine ale made from the Scotch pine, Pinus sylvestris, whose pollen contains testosterone.

It is also best to buy beers that are bottle-conditioned. Bottle-conditioned beers are carbonated in the bottle and as such contain live yeasts. These yeasts (most commonly Saccharomyces cerevisiae) are highly nutritive. They are extremely high in protein, glucose tolerance factor, and B vitamins – especially niacin and B1. Glucose tolerance factor, because it helps regulate blood sugar levels, can help with many of the problems associated with diabetes. Brewer’s yeast contains the highest levels of glucose tolerance factor of any food. It also has been found to reduce serum cholesterol and triglyceride levels and newer research has indicated that S. cerevisiae yeasts may have direct enhancement impacts on androgen activity in the body.


Chris Parson
09-16-2008, 05:45 PM
this is unfortunate news. thanks for sharing.

seeing clearly
09-16-2008, 09:01 PM
this is unfortunate news. thanks for sharing.

Glad to do so!

If we can speak with beer drinkers and know our facts
we may stop a nasty travesty against males.

The methods of brewing beer are causing impotence and BIG PHARMA
is rakin' it in selling remedies for impotence!

As males become aware of the toxic results of drinking " store bought "
beer and turn either to a micro brewery or HOME BREWING,
the big breweries will suffer and change or go under
meanwhile BIG PHARMA loses a huge income.

I'm all for THAT !

Now whats in all that vodka that got so popular ??


back to corn squeezins ! and revenooers leeway that hill !

geesh ! I am OLD , I rememeber bathtub gin, a depression era
concoction revived when I was a kid during WW2 !


09-16-2008, 09:42 PM
Henbane ale sounds crazy!

09-16-2008, 09:43 PM
Good post seeing clearly-i used to brew my own ales years ago i drink real ales and don't and have never suffered from the above lol,nevertheless i'd like to try gruit ales and the others mentioned such as bottled conditioned ales,thanks.

09-17-2008, 06:29 PM
This does make alot of sense. I thought I was being clever drinking small batch beers with hops. Well, this peels off another layer of brainwash I guess.

I just quickly confirmed this with my pendulum...it is correct..wow

09-17-2008, 07:18 PM
True about Hops, but I think that there is much more to worry about that is unnatural in our environment. Chemicals such as pesticides, plastics, and even laundry soap just for starters, all have estrogenic compounds or mimic estrogen.



Also, I am more concerned about fluoridated water being used to brew the Beer.

Beer is good. Don't blame the Beer! :wink2: It's just best to avoid as many chemicals as you can to avoid estrogen and drink a natural non-chemical microbrew, or brew your own.

seeing clearly
09-17-2008, 08:31 PM
Good post seeing clearly-i used to brew my own ales years ago i drink real ales and don't and have never suffered from the above lol,nevertheless i'd like to try gruit ales and the others mentioned such as bottled conditioned ales,thanks.

weeeel.. that article says brew your own or got to a
micro brewery where u can get full disclosure on content

IF enough folks do so, micro brewerys and larger ones will start
supplying what is being ASKED FOR.

Antaletriangle, if u brew some halucinogenic beer call me.:roll1:
I will bring my sleeping bag and plan a weeks stay! giggle
I am not a beer drinker but enjoy some NATURAL alt states
when I can get any natural assists.

The Egyptians used beer as a HEALTH drink.

In most advanced nations flouride is banned a long time
already so if TPTB are culling the strong in USA
what better way to lower the reproduction levels
and bring on APATHY as flouride has been proven to do.

So hops and flourid are a TOXIC COCKTAIL!

far from the HEALTH drink it was originally.

Wine is now so adulterated I am often not able to
get past the first sip, especially wines grown from
American vineyards. The chemicals are overwhelming

Since now ten ears I drink much less wine! lol!

Think of the hops and whatall else in beer
and ask is this contributing to autism,
downs syndrome, MS, and u name it. ??


we all get into small communities, grow organic,
install solar and brew HEALTHY beer and wine !

Party time , y'all.


09-19-2008, 10:17 PM
Speaking of estrogen levels, SOY is one of the worst! A lot of studies are coming out now that prove that soy, soybeans, soy milk, tofu etc not only inhibit brain function (and development in children), but a soy-based formula given to an infant affects the body chemistry the same way as five birth control pills.

Many vegans/vegetarians report a drastic increase in cognitive function within weeks of giving up soy products.

09-19-2008, 10:24 PM
I think autism is caused by the child's brain first getting weakened from excitotoxins the mother consumes while pregnant (especially aspartame-which turns into formaldehyde once inside the body- and MSG and its derivatives), combined with the toxins in the vaccinations.

I do not believe that vaccinations alone are the cause of the spike in autistic children, I think it has something to do with Diet Coke. Aspartame came out the same time autism started going up, and I think there is a link. That can also explain why the problem seems to go "in families"- moms drank Diet Coke during all of the pregnancies. Then the children got vaccinated- and days later, they are never the same.

09-19-2008, 10:28 PM
Speaking of estrogen levels, SOY is one of the worst! A lot of studies are coming out now that prove that soy, soybeans, soy milk, tofu etc not only inhibit brain function (and development in children), but a soy-based formula given to an infant affects the body chemistry the same way as five birth control pills.

Many vegans/vegetarians report a drastic increase in cognitive function within weeks of giving up soy products.

Wow this is very interesting. I had heard this before. I was just gonna add soy sauce to the meal I was about to eat. What is a good alternative to soy? Is there a direct alternative to soy that vegans are using?

09-20-2008, 02:08 AM
Great post. Good to know.
I'm gonna to look into that Gruit beer, sounds yummy for sure.

I think I'll pass on the henbane ale for the time being though. :lol3:

It makes me wonder what other wonderful beers might have been brewed in the past.

09-20-2008, 03:19 AM

....and here I was looking forward to growing hops...

But wait a minute. I'm 41, enjoy hoppy beer, and if I've noticed a decrease in libido over the years I've been glad for it -- not that it's anywhere near the level of a 'problem', mind you.

Maybe the trick is to put young men in their teens and twenties to work in the hop fields, and in the hop, er, hoppers at the brewery.

And keep them unaware of the effects of hops? Certainly not. Everyone should be aware, and maybe women could bring their men some India Pale Ale as a hint that they will not be in the mood for that certain kind of attention...

I have a friend who is a self-certified 'hophead'. Wait 'til he hears about this...


Sideshow Shaman
09-20-2008, 05:36 PM
Speaking of estrogen levels, SOY is one of the worst! A lot of studies are coming out now that prove that soy, soybeans, soy milk, tofu etc not only inhibit brain function (and development in children), but a soy-based formula given to an infant affects the body chemistry the same way as five birth control pills.

Oh yes, very true. There is an exception though. Fermented soy is good. Such as the asian dish 'bad beans'. Traditional soy sauce is fermented too.

Thanks for the Hops information!
That is news to me. Will try looking for those non-hops beers.

seeing clearly
09-20-2008, 08:17 PM
a myth in the west is that Asians eat a lot of soy.

NOT so.

very small amounts and always fermented
NO RAW soy or cooked hard soy

always aged.

I suffered 12 years of chronic fatigue syndrome
and when I FINALLY found a doc who LISTENED
and told me the problem,
it was soy .

I gave up vegetarianism after 12 years and energy
returned, mind functioned again and the fibromyalgia
dsappeared !

I was reborn !


Here are some links about soy:

Soy Dangers Summarised



Soy's Thyroid Dangers



DietNet - Dangers of Soy



Why Soy Can Damage Your Health



DONT USE IT ! I "lost" 12 years of life to a
vegetarian and soy diet.

I regained my health over many months and tell
everyone to AVOID SOY.

My mind is now focused and creative and I am pain free .



Chris Parson
09-21-2008, 01:05 AM
there are a lot of ways to be vegetarian without eating a bunch of fake meat products made of vegetable soy protein

09-21-2008, 03:04 AM
That is very interesting and indeed unfortunate news.
Another part of life the vatican messed with.
Read it while enjoying a nice Belgium beer.
The last one, for the time being.

Bruce Williams, here I come!

Thanks, OP.

09-21-2008, 06:27 AM
I actually made a traditional pilsner with henbane...weird stuff, couldn't fathom drinking more than two pints after watching my friend on three! I did try a nice Scottish Ale made with heather, with a lovely label who's name I have forgotten and after 3 pints...a totally different experience than most beers.

At this point living in the Pacific North West...I mainly drink my own blackberry mead. We've bees and blackberries a plenty.

Won't touch unfermented soy with...well...someone else's limp you know what....

09-21-2008, 06:02 PM
Greetings good peoples,
I went to the local liquor store last night to try and find some beer
made without hops. I was actually looking for Gruit but the store never had any, or even heard of it. :naughty:

I did find this though.. Heather ale brewed since 2000bc. Notice where it
says that 18th century British legislation forced Scottish brewers to use hops. :sneaky2:

Just more information which adds confirmation to the OPs article.


It was a good beer btw!

seeing clearly
09-21-2008, 06:49 PM
Thanks Phtha

elsewhere in this forum on another topic I have said that Britain was overtaken in the MID 18th Cent. by what was then illuminati and later jacobins and now NWO or BRITISH/ISRAELITES

IMV this is the encroaching NWO and it wants all MALES lax in the testosterone department but frustrated enough to be led about by
the head of their organ and photos of britney and lindsey, pamela and
all the newest marilyns

get horny and impregnate some female to breed but not enugh to
pump up a pair to resist any tyranny !

and always what is now the rcc is lurking behind those heavy drapes cutting off all SUNLIGHT

what form did take over Britain was that very rcc and Britain lost her soverignty to the vatican in MID 18th and that very same vatican now has a soverign territory near Wash, DC some believe is its military outpost in its western domains

the takeover of global peoples is all vatican guided and the semites were set up long ago to take the blame because they WILLINGLY accepted the position of PLANTATION OVERSEER to protect the PLANTATION MASTER who chose to stay hidden . jesuits anyone ??

see how it was done?

since judaism was not getting converts from among the non semitic people and tyrannical Rome that had evolved after the Republic was dissolved by greed and avarice, wanted full control of non jude folks, the powerful had to make a plan

so those powerful of the tyranny aspect , probably the Pisa Family, got hold of one Saul of Tarsus and gave him a life long pension to do the huge PR campaign that would seduce the non semites into a new religion rendering them harmless and thus was xianity born
from the obsessive drive of a pervert who changed his name to PAUL

xianity was the tool of the powerful ever since as was its parent religion judaism
now tyranny had two systems born of same lies to pit against each other and furthur divide the folk and it evolved by Machiavellian intrigue to being the horror entity it is since 300 AD and the Nicean hoax.

what this has to do with Scottish beer is this:

every possible tiny way to make males want to impregnate and still be powerless has been tricked out in all social mileaux so as to make these destructions acceptable to the common Folk

give 'em beer brewed to make 'em breed and roll over and go to sleep and never even THINK of resisting all labors dumped on their dumbed
down heads !

and what was even then put in the water to create APATHY and no urge to resist the yoke as it got ever heavier and people were dying by 30years and an OLD MAN was 40 !

women lived very few years of heavywork and breeding one after another
babies many of whom would not live as the mothers body was too weak to give a good start to a baby.

So unless we take back our own brewing and raising of organic foods
and preservations by NATURAL processes, breeding of our own animals
for food and clean killing for butchering, we can count on more diseases and less pleasurable activities whether or not those activities involve gettin' any.

86 the hops and use ONLY spring water and the purest herbs for flavors.

brew some beers for healing and some for just drinking

see our populations level out and any diseases disappear !

and a good buzz with good company.




09-25-2008, 06:09 AM

IMV this is the encroaching NWO and it wants all MALES lax in the testosterone department but frustrated enough to be led about by
the head of their organ and photos of britney and lindsey, pamela and
all the newest marilyns


Yup your right, I knew they did it though soy, and many chemicals in our food,
but the hops I had no clue. Good thing I'm not a frequent drinker.

09-25-2008, 11:39 AM
All herbs have healing qualitites in one form or another... hops may not be appropriate to add to beer, and now understanding the reasons behind it original addition we are aware. Hops is not all bad, there is a time and place for all herbs, below is some information about hops healing qualities and their "medicine"
Thanks, Earthdeva

Hops Remedies made from the hops plant is very effective in the treatment of tension especially when it is blended with other healing herbs, such blends are also used for treating headaches. Such herbal blends containing hops must not be used if depression is a symptom. The treatment of certain types of asthma conditions and even painful menstrual symptoms can be carried out using hops as its anti-spasmodic action is very effective in such cases.
Traditionally, hop filled pillows were used for inducing sleep; this indicates an old knowledge of the supposed sedative action of hops in the herbal lore. In traditional herbal practice, the hops was believed to be helpful in relieving muscle tension as well as anxiety, it was believed to be helpful in soothing pain, and in quieting restlessness as well as mental agitation of patients. Hops also aids in reducing tension along affected muscles in the body due to its strong anti-spasmodic actions, this effectively relieves muscular spasms and cases of colic in the gut. This action also ensures hops is an excellent remedy for cases of conditions such as irritable bowel syndrome, problems like diverticulitis, problems like nervous indigestion, along with problems such as peptic ulcers, problems like Crohn's disease, ulcerative colitis and other kinds of stress related digestive problems affecting patients. In addition, digestive action in the body is aided by the bitter principles present in the hops, these enhance the action of the liver and aid in the secretion of bile as well as other digestive juices in the body of the patient. Hops based compounds called tannins also aid in the quick healing of irritated inflammatory conditions of many types and can treat diarrhea


The strong antiseptic action of the hops also relieves infections in the body. Hops also possess very strong estrogenic action, which makes it an excellent remedy for all sorts of problems in the body connected with menopause in women. Painful and suppressed menstrual periods can also be treated using the hops based medications. The elimination of toxins from the system is effected by the asparagin content in hops and this compound is a soothing diuretic, aiding in the reduction of fluid retention.

The combination of this property of affecting the liver and its ability to cleanse toxins has ensured hops have a reputation as a cleanser of skin problems of all kinds. The anti-histamine action and relaxant functions of the hops is also very useful in cases of skin problems. Creams containing the hops are used to keep the skin soft and supple and are used in the roll of wrinkle delaying lotions. Hops also have a strong antiseptic action and this is effective in treating cuts, all sorts of skin wounds and ulcers on the body.

seeing clearly
09-25-2008, 12:56 PM
It is a claim that a hops stuffed pillow willl induce
easy calm sleep.

An " Old Wives Tale" claims a young woman can dream of her
future husband if she sleeps on a pillow stuffed with hops.

In a tisane it is said to be an immediate calminative
for hysteria.

I never tried it but have used it in a blend of relaxing tea.

it smells great.