**COPIED FROM JL FORUM as per Bill ** John Lear

[Aware_Belgium]

My favorite interviewed, one of the most positive pple I have listedned to, and my favorite phrases:

"as far as planet X ... that's based on 65 years listening to ********"

"in 20-12, you can look back and say, John Lear, on April 2nd, 2008, said it was all ********"

Lets hope so, right ;) ?

comments anyone? I really like John Lear's charisma and I would love to see him join in, in project Avalon, but I guess he's not really believing it'll go down :(

though his inside scoops rock!

[Advocate Of Truth]

Lear is pretty well informed but like everything else, you never know. Looks like he means well in his interviews. My opinion...I think he's one of the good guyz. I checked you your website..Great stuff. I'm a photographer myself and just put up my site about a month ago. So Cheers.

[THE eXchanger]

. I checked you your website..Great stuff. I'm a photographer myself and just put up my site about a month ago. So Cheers.

Yes, your website is excellent

i wish i was an artisian
i have some stuff locked in my head
that needs an artist to eXpress it for me

brightest blessings
i am
The eXchanger

[Aware_Belgium]

hey thanks, the website is more like an introduction, since, if we get to form communities, and everyone does his or her share, I think it's important to be able to lay one's soul and inner self out there, being in here.

I feel asif I need to know to people I'll be cooperating with, on a personal basis as well, not just their skills. Skills you can learn, it's the attitude I wanna know as well.

greets

ps, feel free to share your inner self, i'll be more then happy to read and get to know everyone in here :)

[RevyUK]

He always seems to have an opinion on most things, but never speaks on something he is not aware of. Gives him a real feal of sincerity. I still however like to take in his thoughts without believing them or not, at the end of the day you never know.

I dont think it would be impossible to get him to come visit this forum, he does wander the internet quite a bit. If he doesnt show up here, then you can find him here :- http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi - Open Minds Forum. He has his own little section where he does visit on a fairly regular basis and adds his opinions to posts made within, sometimes to peoples dismay.. hehe but thats the way he is. If he doesnt agree, you'll know about it :thumb_yello:

[Kate]

I totally agree with aware belguim comments about spending some time getting to know a bit more about memebers of the forum...if we are at some stage going to be coming together physically to take things into action then we have to let the trust build and the flavour of peeps characters show thru...TRUST is going to be the key word from this point forth, so come on folks, lets add friends..message privately...arrange to meet up where poss, and do this NOW before this site goes totally crazy with numbers swelling...

If we can continue to create well defined clearly structured threads then follow thru with suggested research or other links, then keep our friend list informed..we will soon be feeling alot more united and focussed on our group/individual intent....
Looking forward to emails from ya all LOL!!

[eagle]

Lear seems to have a great deal of inside info.

However, I do not buy "aliens on the dark side of the moon", nor on every planet in this solar system.

[Hiram]

I totally agree with aware belguim comments about spending some time getting to know a bit more about memebers of the forum...if we are at some stage going to be coming together physically to take things into action then we have to let the trust build and the flavour of peeps characters show thru...TRUST is going to be the key word from this point forth, so come on folks, lets add friends..message privately...arrange to meet up where poss, and do this NOW before this site goes totally crazy with numbers swelling...

If we can continue to create well defined clearly structured threads then follow thru with suggested research or other links, then keep our friend list informed..we will soon be feeling alot more united and focussed on our group/individual intent....
Looking forward to emails from ya all LOL!!


Great post...and fantastic avatar. I strongly agree with all you have said. Its important to stay focused and yet open at the same time. These times are troubling, they should make us wary, but shuld also remind us of the power and importance of human connection through all of this. When all is said and done...something wonderful will have occured.

[Hiram]

Lear seems to have a great deal of inside info.

However, I do not buy "aliens on the dark side of the moon", nor on every planet in this solar system.


Some things are hard to swallow. Your scepticism is warranted. I think it was Richard Hoagland who stated "The lie is different on every level."

I think it behooves us all to keep that in mind. There are some very suspicious activities going on concerning the moon though. Common sense tell us that. The reason we keep open minds is so that we are never caught off-guard. Its a good way to be.:wink2:

[Oiran]

"The J-Rods and the Grays... those guys are just cybernetic organisms... Their job is to see if this farm, (I used to call it an experiment, it's not an experiment -- it's a farm, a soul farm) if things are going along fine. I used to think it was evil. It's not. We're just developing and those guys, the Grays, are just here monitoring, seeing everything's going OK. They pick up kids when they're 3 to 4; they pick them up when they're 7 to 8; then once they're 13 to be sure everything's OK. That's all their job is.

Project Camelot: Genetic manipulation, in other words, upgrading the race.

John Lear: Right now we're arrogant murderers, thieves, you know, and we learn to grow out of it. When we grow out of that we'll be able to go and play with everybody else in the universe, which is a great big wonderful place." ~John Lear

[aearion&manwathiel]

Some things are hard to swallow. Your scepticism is warranted. I think it was Richard Hoagland who stated "The lie is different on every level."

I think it behooves us all to keep that in mind. There are some very suspicious activities going on concerning the moon though. Common sense tell us that. The reason we keep open minds is so that we are never caught off-guard. Its a good way to be.:wink2:

I agree...
The reason why we keep an open mind is so that we dont render ourselves into stagnation of thought and mind-melds. This applies to Lears' comments on Planet X - how can we know that his information is 100% correct, and the lie on his level, so to speak, is exactly that? We cannot simply discount Zechariah Sitchens translations of the sumerian scripts (even though it is interpretation - but what isnt?) because Such and Such said so. We should ultimately give attention and credit to every persons research, because that is what forums like this are all about - trying to wade through (dis)information and paint some sort of Grand Picture - or the map book of the times.

I think there is some truth that the Vatican has interpreted and used the "conspiracy" information to there advantage - after all the Catholic Churchs agendas seems to have always been based on fear-mongering to keep its populace under thumb. This doesnt mean that Planet X is BS, it simply means the idea has a facet which could now be a misrepresentation of the whole.

There hasnt been too much conjecture about the Hollow Earth theory either, but that doesn't mean the theory is flawed. Sometimes we are confronted with ideas which are so heavily entrenched, because we never thought to question it - like the cycles and number of the planets in our Solar System, or the structure of a planet, it seems beyond our capacity to comprehend right now (considering there are still many people who vehemently deny the existence of ET and ufos, despite the quantitive amount of evidence) So how can we deny another level of information as well? Have we reached our capacity for truth? I dont think so. Im with Hiram - keep an open mind. As soon as you get too comfortable with an idea - change your perspective, and you will be surprised what new information you will attract.

[King Lear]

he's quite amazing! he is "EMPIRE"!

he knows everything.

especially the holograms, the moon bases and the golden sky are very interesting.

I wished he would show us a video or something about the holograms, it would be quite shocking if the US really has such things, because then we cant believe anything anymore in the news.:yikes:

total infowar!

indeed it would be very important to disclose this technique if it really exists, imagine what the bearer of this weapon could do!

our whole world would change.



P.S. I love the way he laughs:wink2::naughty::lmfao:

[Free-UFO-Videos]

Lear is pretty well informed but like everything else, you never know.

Yes, very well said.

I followed John Lear when he was chatting regularly at the FantasticForum.
I can see he is trying to be seen as a good caring loving man 'in the know'.
But remember he is 'deep company'.

And Dr Steven Greer and the teams with The Disclosure Project didn't respect John's report on Coast to Coast with Art Bell.
Here at one of our websites ...

http://www.anzwers.org/free/updates/about.html


And here is some intel on John Lear ...

http://www.greatdreams.com/John-Lear.htm


P.S.
John said cattle mutilations are done by extraterrestrials.
Greer says he has intel that cattle mutilations are done by
human special ops for psychological purposes.

i.e. To make you hate all the trillions of extraterrestrials in the Universe!

So, you want alien monsters? You got alien monsters right here on this planet Earth with all them mafia running the show!



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[Guardian AU]

Hello everyone, this is my first post on what seems like a cool new site. Thanks Project Camelot! Now back to topic....

I'm sorry, but I found his testimony to be a load of garbage. I have listened to most of the interviews on Project Camelot but I'm afraid to say that his testimony was not that believeable. I heard him on Coast 2 Coast too and some of the questions thrown at him from listeners were a little too much for him and he struggled to give answers. My favourite testimony would have to be Bob Dean, but even his wasn't prefect. Especially when he let loose the whole "i have been taken too" part. Just my thoughts

[Bill Ryan]

Hi, All:

Henry Deacon sent us a stream of 32 e-mails while watching our recent 4-part John Lear video in real time.

He remarked it was "80% accurate" and that "John's guesswork was good".

One part he states John got wrong was the holographic explanation for the WTC planes. Henry asserts these were real aircraft, remotely controlled from thousands of miles away, a fact he was told in briefings and which was consistent with his own hands-on experience. I have talked personally with Henry about this and I am convinced he is correct. The planes were real.

There WAS video trickery and fakery on 9/11 news reports, however - which has caused a lot of consfusion among well-intentioned anlalysts.

(For more on Henry Deacon's testimony on 9/11, click here (http://projectcamelot.org/livermore_physicist_3.html#911))

Henry also said that John was incorrect about there being a breathable atmosphere on the moon: there is one, of sorts, but it's extremely thin.

We interviewed John because he does have some excellent information, has been very unfairly treated elsewhere, thinks right out of the box (which we always enjoy) and has done a huge amount to spread awareness and information dating right back to the late 80s, when he was highly influential.

His Bob Lazar stories, recounted in detail to Camelot with piles of original documentation (not all of which we were able to record on camera) are both highly entertaining and very important.

We've invited him here, and hope that we'll see him posting in due course. ('King Lear' is not him!)

[Aware_Belgium]

ye richard hoagland kind of already made it clear where John wasn't correct

still, being able to "guess" to accurate as john = mindblowing

[King Lear]

One part he states John got wrong was the holographic explanation for the WTC planes. Henry asserts these were real aircraft, remotely controlled from thousands of miles away, a fact he was told in briefings and which was consistent with his own hands-on experience. I have talked personally with Henry about this and I am convinced he is correct. The planes were real.

Dear Bill,
i have recently seen a video-interview with a German author, (not Bülow) i have to look up his name again, who said that there were an unidentified plane near ground zero when the attack happend. Everyone can see it in the footage. And this author said that it's admitted that before the attacks happened 4 notorious socalled "Doomsday"planes started and one of them was near to the towers. And so he makes the allusion that by this flying command center the planes could be remotelly controlled.

Did you hear anything like this until now?

[Bill Ryan]

i have recently seen a video-interview with a German author, (not Bülow) i have to look up his name again, who said that there were an unidentified plane near ground zero when the attack happend. Everyone can see it in the footage. And this author said that it's admitted that before the attacks happened 4 notorious socalled "Doomsday"planes started and one of them was near to the towers. And so he makes the allusion that by this flying command center they planes could be remotelly controlled.

Did you hear anything like this until now?

Yes. This was the data relay aircraft. It took the signals from thousands of miles away, amplified them, and retransmitted them to the remote controlled planes that (themselves having had software modifications) were guided into the WTC.

This is rock solid information that you can consider as fact.

Very best, Bill

[Capt. Panick]

Hello Everyone! This is my first posting. I hope to correspond with all in a peaceful manner.

I like Ol' John. I believe John is (like all the interviewers) is telling what He/She believes is true. You really can't ask for more courage than that.

These days, I am a person that is surprised by very little. It's always been about the big picture, the final goal...With that being said, It will eventually be revealed with time where the rabbit hole ends, and all the crazy, incredible events that had to take place to get there. So again, very few things surprise me these days...

Your own mind is your own kingdom. Rule is Justly. Rule it with Love. Remember that which you put out into the universe will come back to roost. This is not one religion's advice, or a mystical secret. It just is. It has no right or wrong. I think we all can agree on this at some level. Therefore with this one, simple, universal rule, we can change the future to be whatever we want.

Bill and Kerry, Great Job on Project Camelot and this new project.

Peace be with Everyone...

[zorgon]

We've invited him here, and hope that we'll see him posting in due course. ('King Lear' is not him!)

Well I will call him tonight and drag him over here... Bout time you guys did this
:roll1:

This finally got to me... The ATS crack UFO 'team'

http://atsmedia.cachefly.net/images/gilliland-banner.jpg

Robbie Williams and crew? :lmao:

Also I sent you a bunch of emails last week... never heard back. Since they had some links to .mil sites I am assuming you may not have got them but they were links to info mentioned in Henry's talk about Looking Glass and LLNL

[zorgon]

Avalon, but I guess he's not really believing it'll go down :(

Ah AVALON I know that place well... Spent many a day there and it calls my name....

Is there Troll Banishment in place here? Trolls have a way of spoiling a good thing... They have almost completely taken over that other place...

Perhaps we shall tarry here a spell... and see what unfolds....

[Argante]

Zorgon, please check your private messages, or mail

Argante

[Colin]

Nice to have you here zorgon:original:

Your post's in the John Lear section on OMF were very informative:thumb_yello:

[Bill Ryan]

:welcomeani: Zorgon -

Delighted to have you here.

Do bring John over. He'll be treated well, and if anyone abuses him malevolently they'll be outta here before they can blink... :biggrin2: ... if I've got anything to do with it.

We have 1,000 members in just a few days and the people here are solid gold. The quality of the discussion, and information, is VERY high. We also have Henry Deacon and Richard Sauder here, posting under their own names. This will be a safe place to be.

Very best - Bill

[eagle]

Hi, All:

Henry Deacon sent us a stream of 32 e-mails while watching our recent 4-part John Lear video in real time.

He remarked it was "80% accurate" and that "John's guesswork was good".

One part he states John got wrong was the holographic explanation for the WTC planes. Henry asserts these were real aircraft, remotely controlled from thousands of miles away, a fact he was told in briefings and which was consistent with his own hands-on experience. I have talked personally with Henry about this and I am convinced he is correct. The planes were real.

There WAS video trickery and fakery on 9/11 news reports, however - which has caused a lot of consfusion among well-intentioned anlalysts.

(For more on Henry Deacon's testimony on 9/11, click here (http://projectcamelot.org/livermore_physicist_3.html#911))

Henry also said that John was incorrect about there being a breathable atmosphere on the moon: there is one, of sorts, but it's extremely thin.

We interviewed John because he does have some excellent information, has been very unfairly treated elsewhere, thinks right out of the box (which we always enjoy) and has done a huge amount to spread awareness and information dating right back to the late 80s, when he was highly influential.

His Bob Lazar stories, recounted in detail to Camelot with piles of original documentation (not all of which we were able to record on camera) are both highly entertaining and very important.

We've invited him here, and hope that we'll see him posting in due course. ('King Lear' is not him!)

Planes don't go that fast with that precision at that altitude. My guess is cruise missile - at least one of them.

Show me some aircraft engine parts? Where is the reconstruction of the jets?

[zorgon]

Henry also said that John was incorrect about there being a breathable atmosphere on the moon: there is one, of sorts, but it's extremely thin.

The fact that the moon does indeed have an atmosphere has never been in question...

Estimated Composition (particles per cubic cm):
Helium 4 (4He) - 40,000 ;
Neon 20 (20Ne) - 40,000 ;
Hydrogen (H2) - 35,000
Argon 40 (40Ar) - 30,000 ;
Neon 22 (22Ne) - 5,000 ;
Argon 36 (36Ar) - 2,000
Methane - 1000 ;
Ammonia - 1000 ;
Carbon Dioxide (CO2) - 1000
Trace Oxygen (O+), Aluminum (Al+), Silicon (Si+)
Possible Phosphorus (P+), Sodium (Na+), Magnesium (Mg+)

Composition of the tenuous lunar atmosphere is poorly known and variable, these are estimates of the upper limits of the nighttime ambient atmosphere composition.

http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/factsheet/moonfact.html


Moon's Extended Sodium Atmosphere

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon4/Sodium_01.jpg

A new wide-angle coronagraphic-type imaging system used for the lunar eclipse of 16 July 2000 resulted in detections of the lunar sodium exosphere out to 20 lunar radii, approximately twice the size recorded with narrower fields of view during previous eclipses.

I for one would respectfully ask Henry Deacon how he knows for certain that the figures for atmosphere on the moon are correct :rolleyes:

We also have clouds on the moon...

Lick Observatory photo Jan 1946...
Endymion Crater and Region

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon2/Storm01_1.jpg

Few days later...

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon2/Storm01_2.jpg


There are also sunset and sunrise rays on the Moon... and these can only be caused by dust in the air...

Surveyor was the first to spot them... but scientists did not want to admit they were seeing what they saw.... so they kept quiet about it...

But the Apollo Astronauts saw them... and drew sketches... Why did they not photograph these wondrous sights? Maybe they did... in those 'missing' film rolls :bleh:

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon8/Atmosphere/mc.jpg

There is a LOT more atmosphere than they are telling us...


This is what we are talking about for sunset rays...

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Astronauts/sunset_rays_web_900x675.jpg


And NO I am not making this up....


NASA Space Science
Moon Fountains
March 30, 2005

In the early 1960s before Apollo 11, several early Surveyor spacecraft that soft-landed on the Moon returned photographs showing an unmistakable twilight glow low over the lunar horizon persisting after the sun had set. Moreover, the distant horizon between land and sky did not look razor-sharp, as would have been expected in a vacuum where there was no atmospheric haze.

But most amazing of all, Apollo 17 astronauts orbiting the Moon in 1972 repeatedly saw and sketched what they variously called "bands," "streamers" or "twilight rays" for about 10 seconds before lunar sunrise or lunar sunset. Such rays were also reported by astronauts aboard Apollo 8, 10, and 15.


Moon Fountains (http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2005/30mar_moonfountains.htm)


December 7, 2005: Every lunar morning, when the sun first peeks over the dusty soil of the moon after two weeks of frigid lunar night, a strange storm stirs the surface.

The next time you see the moon, trace your finger along the terminator, the dividing line between lunar night and day. That's where the storm is. It's a long and skinny dust storm, stretching all the way from the north pole to the south pole, swirling across the surface, following the terminator as sunrise ceaselessly sweeps around the moon.

Never heard of it? Few have. But scientists are increasingly confident that the storm is real.


Moon Storms (http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2005/07dec_moonstorms.htm)

[Ceara]

Heya Zorgon

You an ATS'er? Did you see the post where someone said "I miss John Lear" ?

I'd like to see Lear on here too.

:thumb_yello:

[King Lear]

Dear Bill,
i have recently seen a video-interview with a German author, (not Bülow) i have to look up his name again, who said that there were an unidentified plane near ground zero when the attack happend. Everyone can see it in the footage. And this author said that it's admitted that before the attacks happened 4 notorious socalled "Doomsday"planes started and one of them was near to the towers. And so he makes the allusion that by this flying command center the planes could be remotelly controlled.

Did you hear anything like this until now?



Just to complete:
The Name of the author is Andreas Hauß (Hauss),
he is an Historian and Germanist

http://www.muslim-markt.de/interview/2004/images/hauss.jpg
http://www.schneider-institute.de/911.gif

His book is named: "Fakten, Fälschungen und die unterdrückten Beweise des 11.9" = Facts, counterfeits and the suppressed evidences of 9/11

[gwynned]

This is unbelievable!! I went to the Gilliland ranch while Robbie Williams was there. I met him, talked to him at length, sang with him, etc., all the while I had NO idea he was any kind of celebrity!!!! I must say, he was one of the most thoughtful people I have ever met. We talked about how we had both had UFO experiences in the Catalina Islands in the last few weeks.

[zorgon]

Heya Zorgon
Did you see the post where someone said "I miss John Lear" ?


Dunno... did ya read that thread?

:rolleyes:

[Chaordic Simplexity]

Lear seems to have a great deal of inside info.

However, I do not buy "aliens on the dark side of the moon", nor on every planet in this solar system.
who said all the planets are populated on this plane. Theirs layers upon layers my friend. Pretty exciting if you ask me.

[Heretic]

John has always been one of my Fav's too

we all look into the black world with awe and a thriving need to know

John has been there and seen some of it; he gives you a "good ole' boys" viewpoint on the insanity that runs amok in the world of disclosure

he has a great sense of humor and seems grounded despite it all

and he seems like a good guy to drink a beer with

HAH!

[johnlear]

Good evening folks,

I can't believe how much information has come my way since I did the last Camelot interview but the main thing I would like to say is that no Apollo mission every went to, or orbited or landed on the moon. We were hoaxed.

I would like to reaffirm my belief that there is a breathable atmosphere on the moon and lots of people live there not only on the far side but on the near side as well. People from Mars, Jupiter, Venus, Saturn and most of the others.

Also I would like to reaffirm by belief that NO airplanes crashed into the WTC or the Pentagon or Shanksville on 911. What the public saw on TV was video fakery. While the projection of holographic images is real I am not sure that holographic images were used on 911.

Shortly after I did the Camelot interview Zorgon brought my attentin to a book called "The Gravitational Force of the Sun". In this book, author Pari Spolter mathematically and scientically shreds not only Newtons Universal Law of Gravitation along with the gravitational constant (Cavendish et al) but exposes Einstein as a 'higher mathematics' fraud pointing out major inconsistencies in both his General and Special Theories of Relativity.

I will post my book report on Pari's book and my essay on Pari's unmasking of Einstein; a 20th Century mathematical hoaxer.

I would also like to point out that it was Zorgon who sent me the NASA videos of the alleged moon landings with a query "What do you think of these?" I was shocked. Those weren't landings on the moon. Those were videos of landings on the fake moon at the Langley Research Center.

Now that Pari Spolter has mathematically and scientifically discredited Newton's Law of Universl Gravitation and proven that mass is not attracted to mass and that mass/density of an inert planet is not the source of gravity we have only the alleged Apollo astronauts gravity measurements or the Bullialdus/Newton Law of inverse square to figure out what the gravity really is on the moon.

The inverse square law says it 68%, enough to support a breatheable atmosphere.

The public has secretly and intentionally been guided into believing Einsteins Theory of Relativity (which is based on Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation) in order to give us a false impression of our solar system; i.e. nobody lives here but us. And nobody could get here either.

Pure, unadulterated. poppycock. :)

[King Lear]

Just for fun:original:

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/1861/johnisrightzs7.png (http://imageshack.us)

[Bill Ryan]

Hi, John -

A very warm welcome to you! You'll be in good hands here. :original:

:welcomeani:

**********

I have an immediate question - something we've not caught up on privately.

Can you tell everyone the story of the unairbrushed Lunar Orbiter photos you were sent, the research you did on them, and whether or not our own ARGANTE (moderator here, but a very strong ally of yours on ATS) was able to help you with her suggestion about what the initials stood for?

(If this makes little sense for those reading this, John will explain!)

:biggrin2:

Very best, Bill

[Argante]

:welcomeani:

Avalon is very pleased to announce the arrival of another key player in the Project Camelot story...

Welcome Aboard John Lear! :trumpet:

I am honored to welcome you to Avalon Sir.

Zorgon is also here, as are many of your friends from other times... and some guy who kinda looks like you but thinks HE is the king:lmao:

Bright Blessings John... now, let that beacon shine!

[atama]

hi john,
you seem like a nuts and bolts kind of guy. how do you feel about this ascension thing? not 2012, planet x,, etc. but the possibility or need of raising consciousness to a point where we would resonate at a higher frequency, etc.
do you think we could co-exist with these beings on our neighboring planets?

[johnlear]

hi john,
you seem like a nuts and bolts kind of guy. how do you feel about this ascension thing? not 2012, planet x,, etc. but the possibility or need of raising consciousness to a point where we would resonate at a higher frequency, etc.
do you think we could co-exist with these beings on our neighboring planets?


Hello atama. There will be no ascension, no planet X, no Nibiro unless it is a holographic fake by the government. We will have the usual wars, conflicts, shortage of this, shortage of that, your everyday run of the mill problems.

Our job on earth is to live our lives with integrity; and without envy, hate or greed. The souls here on earth mature at different rates so forget about 'we', 'all of us', 'humanity', 'the human race', 'Christians', 'Muslims' and 'disclosure'.

Just worry about yourself because it all starts with you. It doesn't start with 'getting those guys who did this or that', it doesn't start with pulling us out of Iraq', it doesn't start with 'finding out who pulled off 911'; YOU. It starts with you and are YOU living your life without envy, hate or greed? If not then I have news for you. Jesus won't be back but you will.

If you want to have more fun than you could ever possibly imagine then start earning it. You will not be allowed to play with the adults 'out there' until you learn to live with inegrity; and without envy, hate or greed.

<climbs back off soapbox, heads to mine> :)

[orwellsbud]

John Lear is such an interesting and funny guy, sort of like your favourite grandad:mfr_lol: who'd sit and tell you wonderful tales. I like what he has to say, though I do have my doubts about some minor issues, and have been inspired by John Lear, Richard Hoagland, JP Farrell and many others to go and research the subjects they deal with. Get 'em all on board I say. I have to agree with Bill, this is the safest place to be.

Peace & Blessings
OB:smoke:

[orwellsbud]

Seems it took me so long to write my last post I missed you joining John :mfr_lol: welcome to this wonderful site!

Peace & Blessings
OB:smoke:

[Average Joe]

John Lear and Richard Hoagland are two of my favourite Camelot interviews.

John theres a couple of interesting moon pics on this site.

[Average Joe]

Here

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=799

[rustanddust]

hi john! do you have any insight/info/opinion on the coming finanical collapse thats supposed to occur the end of this month/the beginning of october?

[redeyeblue]

I think it is good to have the likes of John Lear and others on here voicing their opinions, we are all looking for answers to many unanswered questions but we must always remember that opinions are not facts and perspective is not the truth.
I have read and seen a lot of John's work and some of it is very good and the same could be said for Dan Burish, although in my opinion Mr Burish is a lot less credible than John Lear. That said however they both create awareness and open minds to other possibilities which is good for all of us.

I just want to caution people on stories that after all are quite fantastic to say the least, without fantastic proof they are only bedtime stories which are made more fantastic by people believing and recycling them as fact.
There is so much BS and disinformation out there that truth seekers are becoming disillusioned and therefore the dark forces are wining, I am not saying JL is full of BS or disinformation only asking everyone to ask the hard questions to get to the truth and to discount theories put forward by some.
PEACE

[johnlear]

hi john! do you have any insight/info/opinion on the coming finanical collapse thats supposed to occur the end of this month/the beginning of october?

No, sorry rustanddust, I am concentrating on my own financial collapse. :)

[historycircus]

Bill and Kerry,

Has John Lear given any thought to publishing any of his material? As a professional historian interested applying historical methodology to some of these topics, his bibliography alone would make a book written by him worth its weight in gold.

[rustanddust]

dang, well best of luck to you! its going to get down and dirty for all of us now apparently.

[eagle]

Good evening folks,

I can't believe how much information has come my way since I did the last Camelot interview but the main thing I would like to say is that no Apollo mission every went to, or orbited or landed on the moon. We were hoaxed.

I would like to reaffirm my belief that there is a breathable atmosphere on the moon and lots of people live there not only on the far side but on the near side as well. People from Mars, Jupiter, Venus, Saturn and most of the others.

Also I would like to reaffirm by belief that NO airplanes crashed into the WTC or the Pentagon or Shanksville on 911. What the public saw on TV was video fakery. While the projection of holographic images is real I am not sure that holographic images were used on 911.

Shortly after I did the Camelot interview Zorgon brought my attentin to a book called "The Gravitational Force of the Sun". In this book, author Pari Spolter mathematically and scientically shreds not only Newtons Universal Law of Gravitation along with the gravitational constant (Cavendish et al) but exposes Einstein as a 'higher mathematics' fraud pointing out major inconsistencies in both his General and Special Theories of Relativity.

I will post my book report on Pari's book and my essay on Pari's unmasking of Einstein; a 20th Century mathematical hoaxer.

I would also like to point out that it was Zorgon who sent me the NASA videos of the alleged moon landings with a query "What do you think of these?" I was shocked. Those weren't landings on the moon. Those were videos of landings on the fake moon at the Langley Research Center.

Now that Pari Spolter has mathematically and scientifically discredited Newton's Law of Universl Gravitation and proven that mass is not attracted to mass and that mass/density of an inert planet is not the source of gravity we have only the alleged Apollo astronauts gravity measurements or the Bullialdus/Newton Law of inverse square to figure out what the gravity really is on the moon.

The inverse square law says it 68%, enough to support a breatheable atmosphere.

The public has secretly and intentionally been guided into believing Einsteins Theory of Relativity (which is based on Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation) in order to give us a false impression of our solar system; i.e. nobody lives here but us. And nobody could get here either.

Pure, unadulterated. poppycock. :)

I agree many if not all moon landing photos seem to be faked/earth based studio shots. This alone does not prove or disprove moon landings.

Atmosphere on the Moon? yes, breathable by humans? I don't know, but the lack of clouds an weather led me to believe not.

911? Agree. Missiles and drones, no planes. Well, maybe one, since all the supposed passengers of all four could fit on one jet.

Gravity? No one (including Newton and einstein) can be completely right on first set of theories. Sorry!

FWIW!

People on the other planets? I need to see some proof of that! Visitors? Sure, but perhaps not on all sightings.

So what do you say about anti-gravity mil aircraft since the 1940s?

Say the delta shaped ones?

[johnlear]

Bill and Kerry,

Has John Lear given any thought to publishing any of his material?


No. And here is why: I search for the truth for myself. Not for others. All of my theories are good for that day up until 12 midnight at which time they may be renewed or tossed.

As a formerly devout 'Apollo Hugger' I was shocked to find out it was a hoax and I had to do an awful lot of backtracking.

If I were to write a book on what I currently believe it would probably be outdated the next day.

For those of you who say, (concerning a particular issue, any issue) "Yeah but yesterday you said...da de da de da." Well that may very well be but today I believe this.

So much knowledge has been carefully hidden from us not only about aliens but about physics, the solar system and the universe.

Everytime I think I have found the 'big picture' and even bigger picture emerges.

So that is why I don't consider publishing anything. It would be doing a great dis-service to those who seek the truth.

[johnlear]

I agree many if not all moon landing photos seem to be faked/earth based studio shots. This alone does not prove or disprove moon landings.

No but 68% gravity does.

Atmosphere on the Moon? yes, breathable by humans? I don't know, but the lack of clouds an weather led me to believe not.

Lack of clouds? Are you kidding?

911? Agree. Missiles and drones, no planes. Well, maybe one, since all the supposed passengers of all four could fit on one jet.

Sorry, no missiles, no drones, no planes. Most of the alleged 'passengers' are alive and well living under different identities. "Oh hi, Chic! Sorry to hear about your daughter Wendy. But remember, you wanted to play the game."

Gravity? No one (including Newton and einstein) can be completely right on first set of theories. Sorry!

Ahem. The first try? Used and confirmed by mainstream science for 300 years? Are you joking?



People on the other planets? I need to see some proof of that! Visitors? Sure, but perhaps not on all sightings.

Sorry. No proof. No disclosure. If you don't know it, you're not supposed to know it. In this lifetime anyway. Better luck next life. :)

So what do you say about anti-gravity mil aircraft since the 1940s?

My father, William P. Lear, Sr. was President and Board Chairman of Lear, Incorporated, a major Dept. of Defense contractor (later became Lear Siegler) and was one of the original prime contractors on anti-gravity in the 40's.

Say the delta shaped ones?

Old technology.

[marco]

publishing something doesn't mean you are saying a definitive word on that argument, and the content doesn't have to be perfect, but good enough and sincerely correct.
if something turn out to be wrong there is space for refining in a later publication.
my 2 cents

[shortyz504]

Hello Mr. Lear,

Your brilliant work in the disclosure movement has really helped a lot of people out in these times of obsessive knowledge seeking. Your example of character has shown me personally how to assimilate these mind blowing possibilities, which can have a dramatic emotional effect on ones nervous system. You seem as a man with vast knowledge, yet rooted very strongly in their heart. This has given me a lot of personal hope along my journey.
Having said that, I would like to know of your opinion, if any, on the Mayan Calender/Yuga Cycles/Evolution of humanity. More importantly I would like to know your thoughts on where we are at NOW, and if you have foreseen any transpired events, or if you feel compelled towards a certain "future chain of event" so to say.
I know this is off topic and hope it isn't too distracting of a topic. Please forgive my niave approach, I am new at this.

-ryan

[historycircus]

John,

I respect your courage and admire what you have done, but I must disagree with you. Consider this - instead of synthesizing your material, just present it and let the reader decide. You could release a CD rom or monograph edition of selected material from your files, and let us draw our own conclusions. In that fashion you could avoid getting the big picture wrong, get valuable information cross-verified and into the public arena, and aid others in their desire to conduct research and find truth.

You don't owe any of us who are waking up anything, and I thank you for all you have done so far.

[realitydesign]

Yes. This was the data relay aircraft. It took the signals from thousands of miles away, amplified them, and retransmitted them to the remote controlled planes that (themselves having had software modifications) were guided into the WTC.

This is rock solid information that you can consider as fact.

Very best, Bill

That would be the E-4b, there was one in Washington D.C. that day as well(orchestrating the pentagon psy-op), it was also snagged by a few cameras. There is an awesome paper on this plane at journal of 911 studies.

[GoingToFast]

he's quite amazing! he is "EMPIRE"!

he knows everything.

especially the holograms, the moon bases and the golden sky are very interesting.

I wished he would show us a video or something about the holograms, it would be quite shocking if the US really has such things, because then we cant believe anything anymore in the news.:yikes:

total infowar!

indeed it would be very important to disclose this technique if it really exists, imagine what the bearer of this weapon could do!

our whole world would change.



P.S. I love the way he laughs:wink2::naughty::lmfao:

I belive that on some issues John Lear is absolutely "dead on"
and on some abslolutely "way of" not even in the "ballpark" ,the holograms is one where´s hes not even in the ballpark.

King Lear, please take a look at this short clip and give me your take on it.
In my book this is the hatschling to AURORA.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYsMli570K8

GoingToFast Sweden

[johnlear]

Hello Mr. Lear,


Having said that, I would like to know of your opinion, if any, on the Mayan Calender/Yuga Cycles/Evolution of humanity. More importantly I would like to know your thoughts on where we are at NOW, and if you have foreseen any transpired events, or if you feel compelled towards a certain "future chain of event" so to say.


Hello Ryan,

Each persons soul matures at its own rate. The evolution of humanity is ongoing and different for each and every one of the 7 billion souls here on earth.

There will be no one event where we will share some great inspiration. There will be no gigantic change in thought. All of that stuff is bs.

Each of us are here on earth to meet challenges, set before us daily, to help mature our soul; to see if we can learn to live without envy, hate or greed. To see what the level of our integrity is.

And we'll keep on cycling back here on earth until we can live our lives with total integrity; and can meet our challenges without envy, hate or greed.

There will be 'no chain of events' or anything other than the daily petty wars, famine, earthquakes, hurricanes. But thats not for you to worry about. You worry about YOU. Because it all starts with YOU.

Ask yourself: "Are you a beacon of goodwill? A shining example of integrity? A gentleman who lives without envy, hate or greed?

If not then you better get with the program and you had better start right now. Because until you are all of these, you are not going to get to go out and play with the other adults in this universe. You will have to cycle back and forth on Earth. :)

[Antaletriangle]

Avalon-the vale of Avalon, known to most as Glastonbury wild place been up to the Tor and had many,many strange yet wonderful meetings with people who i didn't physically/mentally know but they said to me that we shall we meet again etc.Maybe going down there to get some shots of the Tor very soon. C'mon john Lear!!One of the big guys!:thumb_yello:

[johnlear]

I belive that on some issues John Lear is absolutely "dead on"
and on some abslolutely "way of" not even in the "ballpark" ,the holograms is one where´s hes not even in the ballpark.

Holograms are real and have been in use for at least 20 years. They are used to project images that contain heat, light and sound. They hide some of our most important secret air bases including the new Area 51. They can project solid moving, totally realistic images onto thin air. The government is very sensitive about holographic information getting into the public domain as many upcoming threats, including fake attacks by "aliens from outer space" use advanced holographic technology

King Lear, please take a look at this short clip and give me your take on it.
In my book this is the hatschling to AURORA.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYsMli570K8

GoingToFast Sweden

This is footage of the D-21 drone mounted on top of M-21 (60-6940) (modified A-12). The D-21's were Marquardt powered ramjets that would be released in flight from the M-21 and remotely flown over Russia and China to take pictures.

The crash at the end of the video was on July 30, 1966 over the Pacific Ocean near Pt. Mugu. It was the fourth launch and the front attach point failed to release. It broke off destroying the mothship's right rudder, right engine nacelle and most of the out wing panel. The Blackbird tumbled out of control into the Pacific. Both Lockheed Chief Test Pilot Bill Park and backseater Ray Torick successfully bailed out. But Torick was unfamiliar with how to inflate the life vest and drowned. The drone was tranferred to B-52's and never flew again on a Blackbird.

[Chaordic Simplexity]

John's got loads of interesting theories thru his research. however, I doubt he has the time to quiet his mind and travel the higher planes. So, perhaps better to save questions like consciousness change for the most developed people.

Ive met some failry qualified people who can feel the changes. And since there is only one of us here - we are all connected. I dont think we are all gonna shift in one moment or something. But it spreads like a disease and alters massive amounts of people.

Theres already 100s of millions who have woken up to the fact that the creation is ours. So, there is a mass change going on, its just happening slowly at this point. I think eventually it leads to us shifting our assemblage point. during my best times i was affecting my brother. He said he felt like he was losing his mind. lol. Little did he know it was my consciousness rubbing off.

Its all about how we see the changes. The earth is an organic being with a merkaba. And i think its frequency is changing along with ours. So, it is sort of forcing many people to change or struggle from the energy shift.

the monks are saying that lust is increasing. In my opionion thats evidence that the collectice energy is rising.....Im excited. I dont need all to awake. The more that do the easier for me. Im sure John hopes he is wrong :)

[johnlear]

Im sure John hopes he is wrong :)


About what? You lost me back at the third density.

[shortyz504]

I appreciate all opinions on this subject, especially those who have proven to have a good heart, in which case Mr. Lear has proven with out a shadow of a doubt. Once again I would like to thank Mr. Lear for all you have contributed to the conscious development of our times, you are truely a great man.

I am eager to read what topics will come forth from this forum. Everyone seems very patient, and intelligent... which will be a big change for me, for I am currently in an environment of great mental stagnation.

Though I am not able to contribute anything substantial on UFOs, Moon structures, or quantum physics.. I will be following closely all the interesting truths as the unravel on this site. I will be here... if only silently.

I give you all the Love and Light of my Heart

-ryan

[GoingToFast]

Mr Lear . on Friday night Russian statstelevision is going to air the 911 documentary "Zero" and after the documentary have a panel discussion.
What is your take on this.

GoingToFast , Sweden.

[goody8504]

i repsect john lear for putting together all of his information and the amount of time and energy it took to do so. however, the thing that puzzles me is that john is, as most people would claim, a very intelligent man. yet, when asked about 2012 lear even admits that he has never looked into it, though he's convinced that it's of no importance. i wonder how john can be so convinced that 2012 is 'just another day' when he has not taken the time to research, for instane, david wilcock's material. david does not speculate. his claims are derived from the hard, scientific facts. i am not bothered that john does not believe 2012 is of any significance, though this makes no difference to me as we are all allowed to believe what we want. the problem i really have is that he openly admits he has done no investigation into it and states, rather matter of factly, that it's all BS. i would think the least john could do before making such claims is spend a day or two going over david information. most people of john's intelligence will realize very quickly that david is definitely on to something. of course, john may have done some investigation since his last project camelot interview and has either become more openminded or can at least hold his own in an argument against people like david. what i would really like to see happen is for john to actually study david's material and then give his thoughts. unfortunately, as far as i know, john is not interested in 2012 in the last so it is not very likely that he would do so.

[johnlear]

i repsect john lear for putting together all of his information and the amount of time and energy it took to do so. however, the thing that puzzles me is that john is, as most people would claim, a very intelligent man. yet, when asked about 2012 lear even admits that he has never looked into it, though he's convinced that it's of no importance. i wonder how john can be so convinced that 2012 is 'just another day' when he has not taken the time to research, for instane, david wilcock's material. david does not speculate. his claims are derived from the hard, scientific facts. i am not bothered that john does not believe 2012 is of any significance, though this makes no difference to me as we are all allowed to believe what we want. the problem i really have is that he openly admits he has done no investigation into it and states, rather matter of factly, that it's all BS. i would think the least john could do before making such claims is spend a day or two going over david information. most people of john's intelligence will realize very quickly that david is definitely on to something. of course, john may have done some investigation since his last project camelot interview and has either become more openminded or can at least hold his own in an argument against people like david. what i would really like to see happen is for john to actually study david's material and then give his thoughts. unfortunately, as far as i know, john is not interested in 2012 in the last so it is not very likely that he would do so.


I just checked into David Wilcock. What an amazing coincidence. I grew up just 4 blocks north of Montana in Santa Monica where Wilcock now lives. My address was 222 14th St. Woweee!!! Maybe there is something to 2012. :)

[Antaletriangle]

I agree with your referral to "recycling back to earth "until your soul is mature enough to play with the big fellas in the cosmos.It begins with self respect and respect to others.Always be aware that there is always somebody elses' space that you may infringe upon,even if this means standing on someone's toes at the checkout-apologise, it is all in the grand scheme of things.What i mean to say is that even the smallest gestures of integrity and respect are a part of your spiritual evolution.Go out and have some fun as long as you don't hurt others in the process.

[King Lear]

King Lear, please take a look at this short clip and give me your take on it.
In my book this is the hatschling to AURORA.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYsMli570K8



@goingtofast

I watched it.
But I just don't get the message. I see a test flight of a Blackbird (or something) in which it crashes. So, what do you want to say by this???

I dont know if it is a new generation of AURORA because i am not so deeply involved in this topic. I only can say that I'm convinced that no secret military plane is responisible for good sightings, like in Belgium.
And I'm also convinced that there were no test flights over Great Britain in the 1980's, this island is much too populous.
That makes no sense, even if they are allies.

I cannot believe that a military plane like the Blackbird, Aurora, B-2, or F-117 who wants to be in disguise has 3(4) big lights on it's belly during it's flight.
What me lets wonder too, is that the AURORA project is now a rumor for almost 30 years. Maybe I'm wrong but I think the U-2 has been unmasked much faster.

AURORA:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/0/08/Aurora_spyplane_3-view.jpg/750px-Aurora_spyplane_3-view.jpg

Video:
http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/5646/bbkk2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Blackbird:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Lockheed_SR-71A_3view.png/783px-Lockheed_SR-71A_3view.png

[johnlear]

Gravitational Force of the Sun
Pari Spolter
Copyright © 1993 by Pari Spolter
ISBN 0-9638107-5-8
Library of Congress Catalog Card Number: 93-85943

A book report by John Lear


Using extensive recent data, GRAVITATIONAL FORCE OF THE SUN presents the correct interpretation of Kepler’s third law.
Pari Spolter has successfully attacked and destroyed Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation along with the gravitational constant and thrown Einstein and his pseudoscientific hypothetical equations on the junk heap of philosophical fraud.

What Pari has discovered is that her equation for the gravitational force of the sun Fs = a.A is identical to the 390-year-old Kepler’s Third Law, which is r³/t² or "The square of the orbital periods of planets is directly proportional to the cubes of the semi-major axis of the orbits."

What Pari has done is to formulate the equation of the least squares line of regression of the mean orbital velocity of each planet around the sun versus the mean distance of that planet to the sun which she states as Fs = a.A, or 'the gravitational force of the sun is equal to the acceleration times the area' of each planet. And the gravitational force of the sun turns out to be 4.16449 ± 0.00032 x 10²⁰ m s^-2 m².

She proves her equation by taking the 'acceleration' or the square of the mean orbital velocity of each planet and multiplying it by the mean distance (semimajor axis of revolution) of that planet. And the result is always the same: 4.1645 x 10²⁰ m s^-2 m²; the gravitational force of the sun.

She further proves her equation by calculating Fs = a.A from the orbit of each artificial satellite orbiting the sun including the Luna 1, Pioneer 5, 6, and 7, Ranger 5, Mariner 2, 5, 6, and 7 and Mars 4. And the result is always the same: 4.16 x 10²⁰ m s^-2 m²; the gravitational force of the sun.

What Pari does then is to compute the gravitational force of the sun using Newton’s force laws (either the Second Law or the Universal Law) with the mass of each planet given in the tables of the astronomical books.

The gravitational force of the sun, calculated from Newton's equations, F = ma or F = GMm/r², is not constant and varies from 4.16 x 10²³ kg m s^-2 for Jupiter to 5.69 x 10¹⁶ kg m s,^-2, for Pluto; and 16.76 kg m s^-2 for Mars 4 to 0.33 kg m s^-2 for Pioneer 7.

Thus, if we accept Newton’s force laws, we have to assume that the sun doles out a specific amount of its attractive force depending on the particular body that orbits it.

Pari states in 'Gravitational Force of the Sun' (pg. 138) "..convincing experiments (pg. 138-143), with increasing degree of precision, have shown that the gravitational force is independent of the mass or nature of the attracted body."

Pari supports her proof for the constant gravitational force of the sun and her proof that there is no basis for Newton's assumption that the gravitational force is due to and is proportional to the quantity or density of matter by addressing a number of issues of which the following are only a part, in "Gravitational Force of the Sun":

Missing mass
Titius-Bode Distance Law
Direction of Movement, Radius of inversion
Eccentricity
Inertia

As to the 'missing mass' problem Pari states, (pg. 112) "...there is no basis for Newton's assumption that the gravitational force is due to and is proportional to the quantity or density of matter" and cites numerous passages throughout Principia where Newton equates the magnitude of the gravitational force with the quantity or density of matter.

In addressing the Titius-Bode 'Distance Law, Pari plots the mean distance of the planets from the sun, r, versus the sequential numbers, n, on semi-logarithmic paper together with the least square line of regression. From the result of her equation she concludes "the distance law is an integral part of gravitation; i.e., gravitation is quantized."

She addresses the radius of inversion and concludes, "like the distance law...is an integral part of gravitation."

For the question of eccentricity, Pari proves the increment of the force at perihelion is, in all cases, equal to the negative of the increment at aphelion and the increment is due to the sum of perturbations in the direction of the line of apsides. She states that the sum of the forces at perihelion and at aphelion divided by two is the gravitational force of the Sun.

She concludes that the eccentricity is, simply, the ratio of perturbations to the gravitational force of the sun.

In addressing inertia Pari accepts the classical definition: Inertia is the tendency of an object to maintain its state of rest or uniform motion.

Pari points out that simple laboratory experiments can be performed to determine the density of matter necessary, in a given volume of a sphere that is turning by an electric motor at a given setting, to produce various degrees of retardation of angular velocity.

Using accepted orbital mechanics that 'the mean orbital acceleration of the planets decreases with the square of the distance from the sun', Pari then explains how a planet with a given mass would then weigh less in the outer than in the inner system and would therefore offer resistance to its angular velocity.

Further she shows how seasonal variations in Earth's spin ratio may be a change in the weight of the planet. As the Earth's weight is equal to its mass times acceleration and because measurements of the time of the rotation of Earth in terms of the cesium atomic standard show that the Earth spins faster in summer and slower in winter, the Earth would weigh less in summer than it does in winter and offers less resistance to its angular velocity.

Pari points out that the rotational retardation of a planet is proportional to its weight and also to the distribution of matter inside the body and that planets with greater rotational inertia have matter nearer the center.

She concludes that this is why the inner planets Mercury and Venus have no satellites and the outer planets have rings and several satellites.

Pari also dismisses Einstein’s Theory of Relativity, both General and Special in Chapters 2 and 3 of "Gravitational Force of the Sun" and concludes" by noting that Einstein's Theories of Relativity fails to explain:

(1) the rotation of celestial bodies
(2) the orientation of the axis of rotation of the planets
(3) the orbital planes of all planets approximately on the solar equatorial plane (±12˚)
(4) the inclination of the plane of the orbit of each planet
(5) the direction of movement of the planets (counterclockwise as viewed from north)
(6) the distance law
(7) the eccentricities
(8) the regression of the nodes
(9) the precession of the equinoxes
(10) the perturbations

You can be sure that deep in the bowels of the Pentagon someone already knows all of this. But we don't.

Pari Spolter has uncovered many truths about our planet, our solar system and universe by deductive reasoning, science and mathematics using recent data.

A few of those truths are:

Inert mass does not cause gravitational attraction
Mass and energy are not one and the same
Although the mass of a body remains constant, its weight
increases when accelerated.

The question of what causes gravity remains unanswered. Inert mass does not cause it. Neither does the nature of the attracted body cause it. Neither is gravitational force proportional to the quantity or density of matter of the attracted body.

You don't need a security clearance to buy Pari Spolter's "The Gravitation Force of the Sun," but I bet someone wishes you did.

John Lear
Las Vegas, NV.
August 24, 2008

I will shortly be posting my essay on Pari Spolter's 4 front mathematical and scientific attack on Einstein's Theory of Relativity. My essay may be titled:

Albert Einstein: the P.T. Barnum of Higher Mathematics
'There's a sucker physics graduate born every minute.'

[johnlear]

@goingtofast

Maybe I am wrong but I think the U-2 was disclosed much earlier.

King Lear. I am not impressed with your avatar.

Your english is terrible. You need to go easy on your double and triple negatives because I can't figure out what the heck you are trying to say.

These pictures are too big. By posting them that size it means all the rest of us have to scroll back and forth to see the pictue and read the text.

What specifically is your issue with the U-2? I missed where you are coming from.

[YLG]

I have enjoy John Lear's interview. I have been more or less soaking up the interviews bit by bit, but I have to say that Richard Hoagland is the one I give the most credence to, simply because he doesn't seem to state anything that is not backed-up. He will give his opinions about many things.

I am just now recovering from major fear that has gripped from some of these "predictions" and I am preparing, but frankly today I have found Hoagland's interview very grounding.

I have also asked someone who personally knows one or more of the folks interviewed. I know him personally having been in NASA himself, and I wanted him to give me his opinion on certain folks and some of what they said. He wouldn't and said that he doesn't go long with everything these particular folks bring forth and that much of it is "channeled". Sorry I can't mention any names as it is not my intention to state what I personally don't know. Just to offer a perspective.

The reality is that all of this has driven me deep into my own heart so as not to go trancing off into some major fear senario. And I continue to prepare.

I think anyone who has not listened to Hoagland might enjoy hearing his perspective as his says, we are in levels in levels of illusion and levels of levels of lies.

in Hoagland's words from the interview:

"This intel agent said to me in one of our early conversations, he reiterated over and over again - it’s become kind of like an in joke when we're talking on the phone to each other: “The lie is different at every level”. Meaning: that even the people who are in front of the camera spinning, telling you that the dollar is crashing, telling you that we’re running out of oil, telling you that we have to nuke Iran before they nuke us, telling you that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, most of those people really believe what they’re telling you. They’ve been told lies by people that they trust.

So the lie goes up the line. Every little group is controlled and contained and constrained by being fed exactly how much BS they will believe. So they can come out in front of the cameras at like the National Press Club, or at the White House when the President’s spokesperson comes out.

She believes 99% of the stuff she’s saying; she’s not in on the lie. She doesn’t know it’s a lie because if she did she couldn’t be the actress that she is.

K: Exactly.

R: The lie has to be different at every level in order for the entire assemblage of lies to ultimately control all the rest of us and to contain the truth. And by “contain” I don’t mean "encapsulate", I mean suppress it. Keep it away."

YLG

[DoctorWho]

our english is terrible. You need to go easy on your double and triple negatives because I can't figure out what the heck you are trying to say.

And your mother wears army boots. :mfr_lol:
Bill "the Doctor"

[GoingToFast]

king lear. I am not impressed with your avatar.

Your english is terrible. You need to go easy on your double and triple negatives because i can't figure out what the heck you are trying to say.

These pictures are too big. By posting them that size it means all the rest of us have to scroll back and forth to see the pictue and read the text.

What specifically is your issue with the u-2? I missed where you are coming from.


smartass.

[Kelle Baley]

My favorite interviewed, one of the most positive pple I have listedned to, and my favorite phrases:

"as far as planet X ... that's based on 65 years listening to ********"

"in 20-12, you can look back and say, John Lear, on April 2nd, 2008, said it was all ********"

Lets hope so, right ;) ?

comments anyone? I really like John Lear's charisma and I would love to see him join in, in project Avalon, but I guess he's not really believing it'll go down :(

though his inside scoops rock!

Hello;

John Lear is one of the most refreshing whistle blowers here with us now. I found all of his reports to resonate with truth except that of the planet X issue. For good reason, he and others can only open so much of the truth related to off world presence as they themselves have agendas that would never cross into a kind of mutual agenda at some point.
What i find interesting in regards to this name is the fact that every situation that promises or warns of change on Earth should be termed X. this, the planet of the crossing is Earth first undergoing initiation within Gaia herself and then to all her inhabitants. We can rise to this or not, it-the Being that will initiate Gaia is on its way just as prophesied in many teachings. When it does, no thing can escape its penetration as it contains the origin of sound that created all cosmos. WE in organic matter will engage our rise or fall whichever is the case but on our way to the next existence is eminent.

just go listen to the channelings on utube under the arcturians. they tell of this and it does line up with the mystery of the return of our mind link internally to each other and as one great being.

[King Lear]

King Lear. I am not impressed with your avatar.

These pictures are too big. By posting them that size it means all the rest of us have to scroll back and forth to see the pictue and read the text.

What specifically is your issue with the U-2?


I'm sorry for that Mr. Lear:tears:
It's just because i've a big screen, so if you want so I post pictures not wider than 800 pixels (or lesser?).

And I just mentioned the U-2,
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/95/Usaf.u2.750pix.jpg/300px-Usaf.u2.750pix.jpg
because I was replying to goingtofast's question on the video he linked.

I mean that it is not plausible that there is an AURORA-plane and it has not been unmasked yet and refered to the U-2.

[johnlear]

I'm sorry for that Mr. Lear:tears:
It's just because i've a big screen, so if you want so I post pictures not wider than 800 pixels (or lesser?).

There is no need to post pictures we all have to scroll sidways to see.

And I just mentioned the U-2,
I mean that it is not plausible that there is an AURORA-plane and it has not been unmasked yet and refered to the U-2.

Aurora was operational in the late 80's. It went Mach 12 at 225,000 ft. I believe they only made a few of them. I believe they have been retired for at least 10 years. There are airplanes that go higher and faster now. They are hidden from Congress (and the public) by keeping them COCO or Contractor Owned Contractor Operated. They go from 'developmental to cancelled' on congressionally appropriated funds and then produced with totally black funds. That way no one has too answer to congress.

[Mike_Jetson]

John, I agree about the publishing thing. We are all learning. I tell my friends this;

My views and beliefs can be placed in 3 boxes. Box 1 is 'strongly believe', Box 2 is 'No idea', Box 3 is 'Disbelieve'.

On any given day thoughts, beliefs and opinions can be taken out and put in another box depending on what knowledge has been gained.

I have different views relating to 2012 (as I believe certain aspects of loops, especially in relation to things like looking at Mars as our long gone past and far future) and remote controlled planes on 9/11 but like I say, these can be moved from any box at any time just like your own beliefs can.

A lot of people I see on the internet want to put people in certain belief groups and forget that we are learning new things every day and it would be silly to think our opinions wont change.

[THE eXchanger]

Welcome Mr. John Lear :welcomeani:
to www.projectavalon.net
and, to your special spot on it

You have done some absolutely amazing things,
in your ability to sort the truth, from the fiction,
and, i feel honoured, and, i feel priviledged
to be able to read your posts

Thank you for being a "shining eXample" to follow

i am Susan
The eXchanger

[elirien]

Hello and welcome Mr. Lear. We were just exchanging views with Bill Ryan on a different topic which involved you and since it would be quite rude if we would have talked behind your back (the topic was created before you joined) I want to bring this to your attention and would like it very much if you would give your opinions on this matter. Here it goes:

I think this is a very important topic and I thank you King Lear for asking such a question. I have my own little addition to this question. What do you guys (Bill and Kerry foremost) think about William Cooper's MAJESTYTWELVE (http://www.hourofthetime.com/majestyt.htm)?

Especially these lines:

All so-called leaks are intentional misinformation projects designed to promote the alien threat scenario while allowing for complete deniability on the part of government. The antics of Vicki (Cooper) Ecker (CIA), Donald Francis Ecker III (Dupe), William Moore, Jaime Shandera, Stanton T. Friedman, Bruce Maccabee (CIA, ONI), Barry Taff PhD.(Pneuropsychiatric Institute of UCLA worked with recently deceased Dr. Louis Jollyn "Jolly" West), Whitley Strieber, Bud Hopkins (CIA), John Lear (CIA), Linda Moulton Howe Order of the Eastern Star and American Federation of Human Rights (American co-masonry), Art Bell (Freemason), Glen Campbell, George Knapp (Freemason), Colonel Philip Corso (CIA, a monumental liar now Deceased), Richard Hoagland and his Face on Mars, the so-called alien autopsy film, NASA and the Apollo Moon Missions, the so-called Mars Meteorite which was fraudulently promoted as containing fossil evidence of life on Mars, the War Of The Worlds, and many other people and events are projects of this type. Some (very few) of these People are unwitting accomplices in the charade and truly believe in the extraterrestrial threat.


and


The Las Vegas Brothel run by Robert (Bob) Lazar was found to have video cameras throughout and was used for the collection of information with which to blackmail politicians, military personnel, and anyone else who needed to be controlled by the Illuminati. Anyone who will not play by the Illuminati rules are weeded out and quickly disappear from politics.


These are just questions and I am just asking them. I am not accusing anyone of anything. Although since I like William Cooper very much and you guys have a tribute page made for him (http://projectcamelot.org/cooper.html) I think it is a fair enough question.

Thank you guys very much for your continuous and productive work. It is a good thing that people have a forum to discuss these things and I'd like to thank you once more for this beautiful effort.

source: http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=534&page=2

Thank you very much and I hope you don't get me wrong.

[Antaletriangle]

John,have you been in touch with Bob Lazarr recently;curious to find out if he's up to no good?!lol.I hear he's back in work, (can't remember where i heard that by the way)-i remember from one of the interviews he 'appeared 'at your birthday-the drawings of the E.T.'s through the small,reinforced window episode i think.

[Chaordic Simplexity]

Sorry john...i wrote that at work quickly. Its a bit scatter brained.

What i meant is that, im sure you hope there is a big excited awakening and all the nonsense ends and the party begins. lol

Im not a big fan of some instant awakening at 11:11pm on 12/21/12. I think the change of the ages is already happening. If there were 6 billion Buddhas on the planet and you dropped down 50 illuminati into their cities......I dont think they could maintain their illusions and negative energy. So in a way, im saying we cant just all go at our own pace. The collective can force us to some extent.

I spoke with a psychic who i believe is quite aware. She said we are already in the lower astral and on our way up. Very interesting indeed.

Thanks for all your hard work John. you are a commited guy and arent afraid to admit you are wrong. Keep up the courage.

[King Lear]

John,have you been in touch with Bob Lazarr recently;curious to find out if he's up to no good?!lol.I hear he's back in work, (can't remember where i heard that by the way)-i remember from one of the interviews he 'appeared 'at your birthday-the drawings of the E.T.'s through the small,reinforced window episode i think.


I also have a question on Bob Lazar respectively Stanton Friedman:

Wether whom I talk to about Bob Lazar, everyone says "man this guy sounds so sincere!"

All the descriptions and models he gave are so convincing. If it's untrue he has to have a pretty good fantasy or has to be a very good actor.



But always I see Mr. Friedman, he says "Nah, he isn't true. He is a fraud. I looked up his university record - nothing there. I talked to his professers - they never heard of him!" and so on and so forth.


So, my question is: why does Mr. Friedman say this?
Isn't he able to imagine that goverments could delete university records and intimidate the tutors to admit not to know Bob?


Hmm very puzzling...

[Mizar]

Hi John;
Regarding an atmosphere on the moon;
http://www.skyandtelescope.com/news/27807494.html
The article shows pics of perseid meteors giving off a bright flash as they hit the moon. If there was no atmosphere, there would be no flash.:original:
M

[johnlear]

Hello and welcome Mr. Lear. We were just exchanging views with Bill Ryan on a different topic which involved you and since it would be quite rude if we would have talked behind your back (the topic was created before you joined) I want to bring this to your attention and would like it very much if you would give your opinions on this matter. Here it goes:

Thank you very much and I hope you don't get me wrong.


You can count me out in the 'extraterrestrial threat' group although I was once a devotee. There is no ET threat.

That brothel incident was pretty interesting. Bob didn't own it, his friend the madam did. He just wired the video. Its possible that the Illuminati is getting blamed for things they didn't so.

Bill Cooper was my friend and he contributed a lot to the field.

[johnlear]

John,have you been in touch with Bob Lazarr recently;curious to find out if he's up to no good?!lol.I hear he's back in work, (can't remember where i heard that by the way)-i remember from one of the interviews he 'appeared 'at your birthday-the drawings of the E.T.'s through the small,reinforced window episode i think.


Bob is in the process of moving his entire company (unitednuclear.com) to Laingsburg, Michigan. He has been back working part time for Los Alamos National Laboratories for the past few years.

[johnlear]

Sorry john...i wrote that at work quickly. Its a bit scatter brained.

What i meant is that, im sure you hope there is a big excited awakening and all the nonsense ends and the party begins. lol

No. First of all I hate parties and second I don't want everybody to know what I know.

Im not a big fan of some instant awakening at 11:11pm on 12/21/12. I think the change of the ages is already happening.

Nope. Can't happen like that. Each individual gets ready in his own time. There is nothing connected or a 'big change'.

If there were 6 billion Buddhas on the planet and you dropped down 50 illuminati into their cities......I dont think they could maintain their illusions and negative energy. So in a way, im saying we cant just all go at our own pace. The collective can force us to some extent.

There is no collective force and nobody is going to force you to do anything. Nobody is going to awaken you, our guide you along, or sing you a song or light the way. You have to do it yourself by living with integrity; and with living without envy, hate or greed.

I spoke with a psychic who i believe is quite aware. She said we are already in the lower astral and on our way up. Very interesting indeed.

Nonsense.

Thanks for all your hard work John. you are a commited guy and arent afraid to admit you are wrong. Keep up the courage.

Thanks for your input.

[HaveBlue]

I haven't ever heard John Lear say he personally has been 'taken'. Only that when Bud Hopkins tried regressing him that nothing was found. Only that Bud said 'you can't be that into UFOs and not have had something happen!
Well I am sure I myself have not been taken either yet am also very interested in the subject.
I have not heard the C2C interview if their has been a very recent one since Camelots 'Tell all' interview. But as Bob Lazar has said on C2C 'if even half of what John Lear believes is true then we are in deep trouble!
John over the years tells the same story over and over and while this might be boring and stale to some,this gives him at least some credibility.He himself talks of UFO disease that some get.
I always believed Bob Lazar for example and now that Dan Burisch has come out and told a very similar story. This link is http://www.angelfire.com/pe/peter7/Links/MessageMJ1Burisch.html is well worth a read that talks of them both in the same story. An email by MJ1 no less if it is true. :trumpet:

[SynchrOMicity]

"facts do not cease to exit, just because you ignore them" 80% right awsome , i find John interesting. Especially the ideas on 911! All the other stuff right on except 2012ish !!

[cpl1516]

“Holograms are real and have been in use for at least 20 years. They are used to project images that contain heat, light and sound. They hide some of our most important secret air bases including the new Area 51. They can project solid moving, totally realistic images onto thin air. The government is very sensitive about holographic information getting into the public domain as many upcoming threats, including fake attacks by "aliens from outer space" use advanced holographic technology”J. Lear.

Hi John,

Nice to see you here. Maybe you know that in Japan we have (I've been here a long time but am not Japanese) 3D holograms that are completely real looking. These were shown on prime time TV late last year, and have been around since at least last summer. They are going mainline to the public next summer.

The inspiration behind these were the ghost-like holograms in Star Wars, but these new Japanese ones -- and doubtless ones you are referring to in the US? -- are actually 3D and solid looking. So we can definitely confirm the tech is up and running here. My friend played with one when visiting the company. A version of them was going to be marketed with Microsoft last year, but minds changed and now they will come out in even more advanced form next summer here in Japan.

They will sit on a unit next to the computer where ones own 3D avatar will be stationed. The avatar'll be capable of being beamed -- or teleported -- in and out of the computer. So come next summer we will be beaming/teleporting our own 3D holographic solid looking avatars in and out of our computers. In Japan they will even make it possible to switch the avatar in the unit with an avatar representation of famous personalities who will then talk to us -- unfortunately a subtle and new direct form of advertising, or a giver of wake up calls in the morning (for those who sleep in the room where they have their computer).

Currently it is thought these will retail for about $200-$300.

cpl

[zorgon]

ye richard hoagland kind of already made it clear where John wasn't correct

And your 100% sure that Hoagland has the exact answers because... :shocked:

:bleh:

[eagle]

No but 68% gravity does.

Isn't this where the anti-gravity and the LEM come into play? Is 68% a problem?Is it in 100% gravity for those saucers and deltas hovering since the 40s? Was the LEM footage one of the few real sets of video/photos?

Reference:
http://www.americanantigravity.com/documents/Joseph-Farrell-Interview.pdf

I suggest in the book that this is because there may have been a hidden or alternative technology involved in the Lunar Excursion Module (LEM) that got us OFF the Moon. Please don’t get me wrong here. I’m not one of those “Apollo was hoaxed” people at all. I am not even remotely sympathetic to such views. But I do share the concern that I don’t really see the signatures of a rocket taking off from the Moon in those films of the LEMs taking off. It doesn’t look like an acceleration that is geometric enough to be a rocket; it just sort of “pops up” and off it goes at more or less – it looks to me – like uniform velocity, though I must admit I haven’t actually done any measurements or not to see if this is the case.

Lack of clouds? Are you kidding?

Well, I certainly don't see any or any oceans. I would consider water fundamental to breathing on the Moon. Can a human breathe in 0% humidity??? (Not for long, I'd guess)

Sorry, no missiles, no drones, no planes. Most of the alleged 'passengers' are alive and well living under different identities. "Oh hi, Chic! Sorry to hear about your daughter Wendy. But remember, you wanted to play the game."


Very well could be as you say. I certainly don't buy the official story.

Ahem. The first try? Used and confirmed by mainstream science for 300 years? Are you joking?


Regarding the origin of gravity, as well as the unified theories. Still, they are icons.

Sorry. No proof. No disclosure. If you don't know it, you're not supposed to know it. In this lifetime anyway. Better luck next life. :)


Yes, I must not be the chosen ones for the one in a million visitation.
This of course flies in the face of 57 races, with 57 craft or 114, or so. Or do we have 1 off visitations never to return??

My father, William P. Lear, Sr. was President and Board Chairman of Lear, Incorporated, a major Dept. of Defense contractor (later became Lear Siegler) and was one of the original prime contractors on anti-gravity in the 40's.


So did the EB's provide the tech, or is it home grown?


Old technology.
Sure - 1980ish

Like you, I am open to new ideas and theories, however I want to separate the wheat from the chaff.

[johnlear]

This is the location of the new Area 51 in Nevada.

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/5551/kinsleynewarea51add6.jpg

Although the 'new' Area 51 is almost 20 years old the military has kept its existence and exact location a well guarded secret.

Extremely sophisticated security techniques were used on both the airfield and the personnel who work there.

"We tried to take all the mistakes that were made at Groom Lake of a security nature and correct them," said one.

Aircraft and equipment began moving from Groom Lake to the new area in the late 1980's as an attempt to keep the focus on Groom as the primary.

Holography and holographic projections were used to keep the area invisible from aircraft in the air. A way to open small slits in the holographic projection for landing aircraft was devised so that only that pilot could see the runway for the time it took him to land the aircraft.

In January of 2006 the Air Force applied for a new, enormously large restricted area just to the west of the new Area 51 located in Restricted Area R-6405. Here is page 4A of the Las Vegas Review Journal which showed the Air Forces request for more restricted airspace in the northeast of Nevada. Military restricted airspace covers over 50% of Nevada airspace.

http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/2643/kinsleysecretbaseavalonkx5.png

Access to the area is by air or underground transportation which includes high speed trains which connect nearly every major base in the U.S. and many different cities and other facilities.

Underground highways crisscross the U.S. in number and length that would shock the average person.

Other Area 51 type facilities dot the U.S. and world over.

Below is a chart of the military airspace over Nevada and Utah. New Area 51 is just left of center (yellow circle). It is located about 35 miles south of Wendover.

http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/9132/gandymoa1gj2.png

The location of the new Area 51 is N 40˚15' W 114˚07'
or about 120 miles west south west of Hill Air Force Base, or about 250 miles east north east of Groom Lake.

[Kerry Cassidy]

I just checked into David Wilcock. What an amazing coincidence. I grew up just 4 blocks north of Montana in Santa Monica where Wilcock now lives. My address was 222 14th St. Woweee!!! Maybe there is something to 2012. :)

Hi there,

For the record that is not near where David Wilcock lives... I don't know where you got that address .

But there may still be something to 2012 anyway :original:

cheers John and welcome to the Forum!

Kerry

[johnlear]

[quote]I also have a question on Bob Lazar respectively Stanton Friedman:

But always I see Mr. Friedman, he says "Nah, he isn't true. He is a fraud. I looked up his university record - nothing there. I talked to his professers - they never heard of him!" and so on and so forth.

So, my question is: why does Mr. Friedman say this?
Isn't he able to imagine that goverments could delete university records and intimidate the tutors to admit not to know Bob?


Hmm very puzzling...


Stan has done some very important work in the UFO field particularly regarding the MJ-12 papers. He is highly regarded.

As far as I know Bob has never been able to document any of his higher education.

[King Lear]

As far as I know Bob has never been able to document any of his higher education.

But that doesn't make him a liar, right?

He also could have made this up just to gain the job.


And now he has the problem, that because of this early lie, he is danger that people don't believe him anymore.


And so he prefers to say nothing anymore.

[johnlear]

But that doesn't make him a liar, right?

He also could have made this up just to gain the job.


And now he has the problem, that because of this early lie, he is danger that people don't believe him anymore.


And so he prefers to say nothing anymore.


I am not following you here. What was his early lie?

[King Lear]

I am not following you here. What was his early lie?

I meant: perhaps Friedman is right, but Bob did this only because he wanted to get the job at Area 51 or another goverment job.

We all know that there are pretty smart people out there without having the chance to get a college degree.

[johnlear]

I meant: perhaps Friedman is right, but Bob did this only because he wanted to get the job at Area 51 or another goverment job.

We all know that there are pretty smart people out there without having the chance to get a college degree.



So he lies about his education and gets a job with the U.S. Navy working on the propulsion systems of extraterrestrial flying saucers at S-4?

So maybe you then say well how do we know he worked at S-4?

Well on March 21, 1989 he asked me if I wanted to see a test flight of the flying saucer he works on. So the next day we drive up to Groom Lake with Gene Huff and Bobs wife Tracy and exactly at 9pm, the exact time he said it would, a flying saucer comes up from behind the mountains from Groom Lake, does a few maneuvers, and then descends back down behind the mountains. Which I saw with my 8 inch Celestron telescope.

It was the first flying saucer I ever saw.

So they hired Bob without checking his education for this job? They just hired him because he was able to bs his way through an interview?

So then maybe you say (as some have proposed) that maybe he was just a cook at S-4. Well then we have to assume that they tell the cooks when they are going to test fly the flying saucers.

Somehow this scenario just doesn't ring true. :)

[elirien]

You can count me out in the 'extraterrestrial threat' group although I was once a devotee. There is no ET threat.

That brothel incident was pretty interesting. Bob didn't own it, his friend the madam did. He just wired the video. Its possible that the Illuminati is getting blamed for things they didn't so.

Bill Cooper was my friend and he contributed a lot to the field.

Thank you very much. That was quite enlightening.

[johnlear]

Hi there,

For the record that is not near where David Wilcock lives... I don't know where you got that address .

But there may still be something to 2012 anyway :original:

cheers John and welcome to the Forum!

Kerry

Hi Kerry,

I got the information from Divine Cosmos:


Welcome to Divine Cosmos, the Internet home for the work of David Wilcock. Within this site are thousands of free pages of scientific and spiritual information about soul growth, Ascension and the evolution of consciousness.

David now lives directly off of Montana Avenue in Santa Monica, California, a great location for Hollywood work, and is fully supported by his job as producer and creative director of CONVERGENCE.

Is this a different David Wilcock?

[King Lear]

So they hired Bob without checking his education for this job? They just hired him because he was able to bs his way through an interview?



Somehow this scenario just doesn't ring true. :)



So, which explenation do you have for this contradiction then?



P.S. the cook-version i never took into consideration:wink2:

[johnlear]

So, which explenation do you have for this contradiction then?


I have no explanation. I can tell you that from the summer of 1988 when I met Bob (and he told me flying saucers were a bunch of bs) and for the next 2 years were the most exciting times of my life.

March 22, 2009 will be the twentieth anniversary of the incident in the desert just outside Groom Lake and George Knapp has asked me to help him with a special.

I have never known Bob to tell anything but the exact truth in the 20 years I have known him. I have watched him field questions from the best including Dr. Edgar Mitchell who came to visit Bob in the early 90's. I have lived in Las Vegas since 1974 and have known many who worked up at Groom Lake and confirmed Bob's story. Some of those individuals were at my 65th birthday last December which Bob attended. There was no one at that party that didn't believe Bob's story. Bob showed us all his current ID badge with LANL and told us he was back working as a cook. That got the biggest laugh of the evening.

There are many who don't belive Bob's story. But I do. I was there.

[King Lear]

I have no explanation. I can tell you that from the summer of 1988 when I met Bob (and he told me flying saucers were a bunch of bs) and for the next 2 years were the most exciting times of my life.

March 22, 2009 will be the twentieth anniversary of the incident in the desert just outside Groom Lake and George Knapp has asked me to help him with a special.

I have never known Bob to tell anything but the exact truth in the 20 years I have known him. I have watched him field questions from the best including Dr. Edgar Mitchell who came to visit Bob in the early 90's. I have lived in Las Vegas since 1974 and have known many who worked up at Groom Lake and confirmed Bob's story. Some of those individuals were at my 65th birthday last December which Bob attended. There was no one at that party that didn't believe Bob's story. Bob showed us all his current ID badge with LANL and told us he was back working as a cook. That got the biggest laugh of the evening.

There are many who don't belive Bob's story. But I do. I was there.



I do believe you Sir and I do believe Bob!
But why does he not clarify this contradiction?
Did he lose his memories?


We've to save this great testimony, otherwise critics like Friedman will destroy it forever.

[brightstar]

Hello atama. There will be no ascension, no planet X, no Nibiro unless it is a holographic fake by the government. We will have the usual wars, conflicts, shortage of this, shortage of that, your everyday run of the mill problems.

Our job on earth is to live our lives with integrity; and without envy, hate or greed. The souls here on earth mature at different rates so forget about 'we', 'all of us', 'humanity', 'the human race', 'Christians', 'Muslims' and 'disclosure'.

Just worry about yourself because it all starts with you. It doesn't start with 'getting those guys who did this or that', it doesn't start with pulling us out of Iraq', it doesn't start with 'finding out who pulled off 911'; YOU. It starts with you and are YOU living your life without envy, hate or greed? If not then I have news for you. Jesus won't be back but you will.


If you want to have more fun than you could ever possibly imagine then start earning it. You will not be allowed to play with the adults 'out there' until you learn to live with inegrity; and without envy, hate or greed.

<climbs back off soapbox, heads to mine> :)








Hi John,

Soooooooooo glad to see you on here indeed. I talked to you once on the phone last year, but doubt you will remember me, I am the one that called and asked you about that Soul Catcher on the Moon. I got the book and read it, but am still looking for more "proofs" for my own mind on it all. But this is terrific that you will be on here indeed. Of course anything else that you might could add on that topic would be lovely indeed also! :winksmiley02:

Thanks Kerry and Bill for starting this, this should be a very good avenue for everyone indeed and we can all learn, grow and make new friends and keep up with things, and also maybe help get all of this NWO BS turned around somehow also.


brightstar

[Zenbuoy]

smartass.

Time OUT! WhooaaH. Wait a minute.
This isn't Above Top Secret.

Who the hell does anyone think they are to call John Lear the above word.

It is ignorant to call anyone a name who has more experience than you, at least.

How does anyone use another man's picture and post as an imposter. At least, change the name to Bogus King Lear.

Peace... or... all egotistical skeptics return to ATS.


:starwars:

[johnlear]

Isn't this where the anti-gravity and the LEM come into play? Is 68% a problem?

It is if you only have 22,000 pounds of fuel that you want to de-orbit 60 miles, land, take off and climb back into a 60 mile sorbit.

Is it in 100% gravity for those saucers and deltas hovering since the 40s?

Yes. Earth is a gravitational force considered as 1.

Was the LEM footage one of the few real sets of video/photos?

The LEM landing footage was all faked at the NASA Langley Research Center.

Well, I certainly don't see any or any oceans.

You haven't been to the moon but for your edification there are rivers, streams and lakes (no oceans) on the far side.

I would consider water fundamental to breathing on the Moon.

Yes.

Can a human breathe in 0% humidity??? (Not for long, I'd guess)

You're buying into NASA disinformation. The Moon has a breathable atmosphere equal to about 18,000 feet here on Earth. The humidity is low but not 0%.

Very well could be as you say. I certainly don't buy the official story.

Welcome to the club.

Regarding the origin of gravity, as well as the unified theories. Still, they are icons.

Religious images? Not for the informed.

Yes, I must not be the chosen ones for the one in a million visitation.
This of course flies in the face of 57 races, with 57 craft or 114, or so. Or do we have 1 off visitations never to return??

There are literally thousands of different type of ET's visiting every day for thousands of different reasons. Many have agreements with different governments. But it is a secret and, just guessing, you have no need to know.

So did the EB's provide the tech, or is it home grown?

No technology was home grown. From the wheel to the cellphone everything was provided by the ET's.

Sure - 1980ish

Could be.

Like you, I am open to new ideas and theories,

Well you coulda fooled me. :)

however I want to separate the wheat from the chaff.

That may be more difficult than you believe. :)

[Zenbuoy]

My thinking is that there is no legitimate claim any longer in "I need proof."

Proof is, as stated here and as Alan Watts has referred to things as being, "wiggly." Is it the concept of "cognitive dissonance" which has anyone, at this stage of available information, claiming a need for proof? (Show me weather balloons and I am happy to disagree again. It is safe and comfortable.)

A "need for proof" is now a mask for lethargic research or purposeful disinformation. I need no proof that all these things exist.
The depth of the connection is what is "wiggly."

I, as many others, absorb this obvious "lie on every level," to clearly see there is truth in assessing why there are "lies on every level."

[eagle]

It is if you only have 22,000 pounds of fuel that you want to de-orbit 60 miles, land, take off and climb back into a 60 mile sorbit.

Maybe I should explain myself. I firmly believe that man (USA gov) has acquired on its own, or with help, the ability to use free energy to drive a craft to hover without the use of rockets or fuel.

So, this would explain many of the sightings of the last 60-70 years. It would not explain all sightings, and certainly not alien-human interactions, if true.

The very crudely built saucers/deltas (40s, 50s, 60s, 70s) would be classified as man-made under this theory of mine.

So, now that we have established this theory, then it is not much of a stretch to assume they used this tech on the LEM to beat the 1/6, or 7/10ths gravity of the Moon. I don't believe they had enough fuel to beat 1/6th, never mind 7/10ths gravity.

So I am not arguing with you, but simply presenting an alternative theory.

The reason this anti-gravity is suppressed is because it is also a free energy machine.

This cannot be released to the world because it would upset a trillion dollar a year industry, and present unbridled population explosion, and this is something the powers that be cannot and will not tolerate.

In short, if you believe in man-made UFO or alien-made UFOs, you believe in free energy!!!

They are not driving those craft with NUCLEAR, as we already know the aliens are against nuclear (if you buy that one).

[johnlear]

Maybe I should explain myself. I firmly believe that man (USA gov) has acquired on its own, or with help, the ability to use free energy to drive a craft to hover without the use of rockets or fuel.

So, this would explain many of the sightings of the last 60-70 years. It would not explain all sightings, and certainly not alien-human interactions, if true.

The very crudely built saucers/deltas (40s, 50s, 60s, 70s) would be classified as man-made under this theory of mine.

So, now that we have established this theory, then it is not much of a stretch to assume they used this tech on the LEM to beat the 1/6, or 7/10ths gravity of the Moon. I don't believe they had enough fuel to beat 1/6th, never mind 7/10ths gravity.

So I am not arguing with you, but simply presenting an alternative theory.

The reason this anti-gravity is suppressed is because it is also a free energy machine.

This cannot be released to the world because it would upset a trillion dollar a year industry, and present unbridled population explosion, and this is something the powers that be cannot and will not tolerate.

In short, if you believe in man-made UFO or alien-made UFOs, you believe in free energy!!!

They are not driving those craft with NUCLEAR, as we already know the aliens are against nuclear (if you buy that one).

I agree with you on everything except we never went to the moon. If I had to pick the major reason why I don't think we ever orbited or landed on the moon I would pick that after Apollo 6 in which there were 500 major problems and starting with the next flight Apollo 7, there were none. No Problems, Except for Apollo 13 which was a faked emergency.

The transcripts of the Apollo missions are replete and litered with highly improbables: 'perfect', 'right', 'exactly as we predicted', 'within less than a second accuracy', all pure unadulterated bs as we never went anywhere. It was all video fakery. (as was 911).

Neil Armstrong refused to participate in the aftermath of the hoax which is why he went into virtual seclusion.

No Apollo mission ever went to the moon, orbited the moon or landed on the moon. It was a gigantic hoax specfically to convince the public that we could do anything we put our minds to which is not correct. We can do anything we put our minds to which does not include going further out into space than the Van Allen belt.

[GoingToFast]

Holograms are real and have been in use for at least 20 years. They are used to project images that contain heat, light and sound. They hide some of our most important secret air bases including the new Area 51. They can project solid moving, totally realistic images onto thin air. The government is very sensitive about holographic information getting into the public domain as many upcoming threats, including fake attacks by "aliens from outer space" use advanced holographic technology



This is footage of the D-21 drone mounted on top of M-21 (60-6940) (modified A-12). The D-21's were Marquardt powered ramjets that would be released in flight from the M-21 and remotely flown over Russia and China to take pictures.

The crash at the end of the video was on July 30, 1966 over the Pacific Ocean near Pt. Mugu. It was the fourth launch and the front attach point failed to release. It broke off destroying the mothship's right rudder, right engine nacelle and most of the out wing panel. The Blackbird tumbled out of control into the Pacific. Both Lockheed Chief Test Pilot Bill Park and backseater Ray Torick successfully bailed out. But Torick was unfamiliar with how to inflate the life vest and drowned. The drone was tranferred to B-52's and never flew again on a Blackbird.

John . I do not disagree with you on the fact that the hologram technology does exist, i believe that this technology is fully operational and is being used in the war in Iraq and also in other parts of the world .
But the idea of hologram airplanes flying into "wily-coyote cutouts" in both the towers is absolutely ridiculous. It is much more difficult to remotely fly thees holograms and making them hit dead-center into the wily-coyote cutouts, than it is to remotely fly real physical airplanes and smacking them anywhere on the buildings.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYsMli570K8
I believe that what we are seeing in this short clip is the first TESTBED in the in the Aurora-program. As I understand it the Aurora was supposed to be the successor to the SR-71 Blackbird, a high speed high altitude reconnaissance vehicle , and that is the description of the D-21 drone. My point is that this is not a drone, that's a cover up, this is the first testbed in the program .And is´nt it a coincidence that this "DRONE" is mounted on Auroras predecessor the SR-71 Blackbird.
I believe that the Aurora is not a myth, the program existed but was cancelled in the early days, it was cancelled in favor of the Haunehaube vehicles, why spend billions of Dollars on Aurora when they allready had the Haunehaube that could go "zingedyzang" around the Aurora when she was going full throttle and then "swisch" leave hear in it´s wake.
The Haunehaubes exist and the succesor to them is the flying triangles and this technology is managed by the Jesuit family in the NWO-Mafia and they are operated out of Ireland (wild guessing)

John Lear, sir.
There are some people who say that you have done a great disservice to the Truth Movement when it comes to the hologram debacle, they are completely wrong .
You sir have done a great service to the Truth Movement, just the fact that a person of your stature is standing on our side on the barricades in the line of fire, that alone is bringing the movement forward. Although we disagree on the holograms, don't think of me as your enemy, I am your friend.
Sincerely:
BjörnOve Ivarsson Sweden. Proud member of the Project Camelot Round Table.

[johnlear]

John . I do not disagree with you on the fact that the hologram technology does exist, i believe that this technology is fully operational and is being used in the war in Iraq and also in other parts of the world .
But the idea of hologram airplanes flying into "wily-coyote cutouts" in both the towers is absolutely ridiculous. It is much more difficult to remotely fly thees holograms and making them hit dead-center into the wily-coyote cutouts, than it is to remotely fly real physical airplanes and smacking them anywhere on the buildings.

That is because you are limiting your thinking to technology you are familiar with. If you want to understand how it works you have to place your mind where technology might be in 50 years.

While you might find the technology ridiculous, that is exactly what your are supposed to think. I would guess that they used a beam weapon for the Wily Coyote cutout and a space based orbiting molecular disassociation weapon for the towers. But this is because I am used to thinking many years ahead and I have access to information that you do not.

You remind me of the fellow that was complaining because I said holograms contained sound. He said "Well did they have a truck that went down the street with speakers on them for the sound and how did they string out the wire?"

I believe that what we are seeing in this short clip is the first TESTBED in the in the Aurora-program. As I understand it the Aurora was supposed to be the successor to the SR-71 Blackbird, a high speed high altitude reconnaissance vehicle , and that is the description of the D-21 drone.

No sorry, Aurora was at least 110 feet in length. Bob Lazar saw it on the ramp at Groom Lake and watched it take off once. The D-21 drone was a single engine ramjet for reconnaisance. After that accident it was mounted on B-52's. I believe that there were many successful missions over China.

My point is that this is not a drone, that's a cover up, this is the first testbed in the program .

Sorry, that is the D-21 drone. Remember that this film was taken in 1966 and Aurora didn't fly until the latter part of the 1980's. It is unlikely that Lockheed was testing a 'advanced concept' that took them over 20 years to produce. No, after the Blackbird program came the F-19 and F-117A. The F-19 was produced for the Navy and F-117A for the Air Force. The Aurora got its initial funding in the early 80's.

And is´nt it a coincidence that this "DRONE" is mounted on Auroras predecessor the SR-71 Blackbird.

No, it is not a coincidence. First of all it wasn't an SR-71 Blackbird, it was an A-12 modified with a back seat for the launch coordinater who was Ray Torick. Second of all they had to get the D-21 going over M 3 just to get the engine started and the A-12 was all they had. No coincidence there.

I believe that the Aurora is not a myth, the program existed but was cancelled in the early days, it was cancelled in favor of the Haunehaube vehicles, why spend billions of Dollars on Aurora when they allready had the Haunehaube that could go "zingedyzang" around the Aurora when she was going full throttle and then "swisch" leave hear in it´s wake.
The Haunehaubes exist and the predecessors to them is the flying triangles and this technology is managed by the Jesuit family in the NWO-Mafia and they are operated out of Ireland (wild guessing)

The Aurora was not a myth. Secret aircraft are operated out of Ireland. There is no NWO.

John Lear, sir.
There are some people who say that you have done a great disservice to the Truth Movement when it comes to the hologram debacle, they are completely wrong .
You sir have done a great service to the Truth Movement, just the fact that a person of your stature is standing on our side on the barricades in the line of fire, that alone is bringing the movement forward. Although we disagree on the holograms, don't think of me as your enemy, I am your friend.
Sincerely:
BjörnOve Ivarsson Sweden. Proud member of the Project Camelot Round Table.

Thanks Bjorne and the only reason we disagree on holograms is that you have not had the advantage of technical briefings I have had.

[Zenbuoy]

so then... did these rapidly flying figures possibly assist in the holographic planes?

@ :13 sec.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=oucMthCVdcg&feature=related

@:45 sec.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=cRRqAiVuZmA&feature=related

[Love/Light 13]

when you say there is no NWO, do you mean that you do not believe the Illuminati/Jesuit Order/Rothschild Banking conglomerate exists? Or do you just mean that an actual New World Order organization does not exist?

[johnlear]

when you say there is no NWO, do you mean that you do not believe the Illuminati/Jesuit Order/Rothschild Banking conglomerate exists? Or do you just mean that an actual New World Order organization does not exist?

That an actual NWO organization does not exist.

The Illuminati/Jesuit Order/Rothschild Banking conglomerate use the NWO as their whipping boy.

[CONDE]

Hey Mr Lear, how much for the official tin foil hat ?
I want one!:sweatdrop:

Maybe U could sell them signed :shocked:

Frank Conde

www.deathisnormal.com

[johnlear]

Hey Mr Lear, how much for the official tin foil hat ?
I want one!:sweatdrop:

Maybe U could sell them signed :shocked:

Frank Conde

www.deathisnormal.com




$20 including personal autograph and ground shipping.

There are only 600 left.

[ForsakenFalcon]

Hey Mr Lear, how much for the official tin foil hat ?
I want one!:sweatdrop:

Maybe U could sell them signed :shocked:

Frank Conde

www.deathisnormal.com


:mfr_lol:

[CONDE]

Well if this is true...

It would be an honor !

Permission to private message U for payment and details ?

Frank.

[King Lear]

That an actual NWO organization does not exist.

The Illuminati/Jesuit Order/Rothschild Banking conglomerate use the NWO as their whipping boy.

So, the The Illuminati/Jesuit Order/Rothschild Banking conglomerate is a loose independant "NWO" - sharing the same aspiration but aren't interacting, in your opinion?


Like Al Quaida shall do. (independant cells)
And also Russian Oligarchs and Mafia Clans do.

[CONDE]

OHHHHH Nooooooooooo!

king liar is here.... * cue funeral march *

The mood is ruined !

Go Away ! you fake cardboard crown, nit picking, silly question asker,
time waster, party puuper, Jimmy Carter looking ARSH LO...

Ha ha "just joking" ...

[King Lear]

OHHHHH Nooooooooooo!

king liar is here.... * cue funeral march *

The mood is ruined !

Go Away ! you fake cardboard crown, nit picking, silly question asker,
time waster, party puuper, Jimmy Carter looking ARSH LO...

Ha ha "just joking" ...


conde you're sooooo kind...

[GoingToFast]

"The D-21 drone was a single engine ramjet for reconnaisance. After that accident it was mounted on B-52's. I believe that there were many successful missions over China."

How did they get the engines running on the "drone" when it was mounted on the B-52, as you can see below it had to go over M 3 to fire up, it had to be one hell of a B-52.

"No, it is not a coincidence. First of all it wasn't an SR-71 Blackbird, it was an A-12 modified with a back seat for the launch coordinater who was Ray Torick. Second of all they had to get the D-21 going over M 3 just to get the engine started and the A-12 was all they had. No coincidence there."

The SR-71 and the A-12 practicly are the same vehicle, get a grip man.

[CONDE]

Maybe, but in the fake competition you are KING !
:lmfao:

[GoingToFast]

That an actual NWO organization does not exist.

The Illuminati/Jesuit Order/Rothschild Banking conglomerate use the NWO as their whipping boy.

You may have a point on this one John.

[GoingToFast]

"The D-21 drone was a single engine ramjet for reconnaisance. After that accident it was mounted on B-52's. I believe that there were many successful missions over China."

How did they get the engines running on the "drone" when it was mounted on the B-52, as you can see below it had to go over M 3 to fire up, it had to be one hell of a B-52.

"No, it is not a coincidence. First of all it wasn't an SR-71 Blackbird, it was an A-12 modified with a back seat for the launch coordinater who was Ray Torick. Second of all they had to get the D-21 going over M 3 just to get the engine started and the A-12 was all they had. No coincidence there."

The SR-71 and the A-12 practicly are the same vehicle, get a grip man.

[Colin]

[MOD EDIT]
Conde..

King..

Play nice!:naughty:

[CONDE]

Yes Musado, sorry.

UR quick !

[johnlear]

"The D-21 drone was a single engine ramjet for reconnaisance. After that accident it was mounted on B-52's. I believe that there were many successful missions over China."

How did they get the engines running on the "drone" when it was mounted on the B-52, as you can see below it had to go over M 3 to fire up, it had to be one hell of a B-52.

I wasn't there but there were obviously modifications. It is unlikely that they got 'one hell of a' B-52 up to Mach 3. You need to get a grip.

"No, it is not a coincidence. First of all it wasn't an SR-71 Blackbird, it was an A-12 modified with a back seat for the launch coordinater who was Ray Torick. Second of all they had to get the D-21 going over M 3 just to get the engine started and the A-12 was all they had. No coincidence there."

The SR-71 and the A-12 practicly are the same vehicle, get a grip man.

What does 'practically' mean? The A-12 was shorter, did not have chines, was a single seater, went faster and higher and there were several other changes.

But it was black. Maybe thats what you mean?

[GoingToFast]

"The D-21 drone was a single engine ramjet for reconnaisance. After that accident it was mounted on B-52's. I believe that there were many successful missions over China."

How did they get the engines running on the "drone" when it was mounted on the B-52, as you can see below it had to go over M 3 to fire up, it had to be one hell of a B-52.

"No, it is not a coincidence. First of all it wasn't an SR-71 Blackbird, it was an A-12 modified with a back seat for the launch coordinater who was Ray Torick. Second of all they had to get the D-21 going over M 3 just to get the engine started and the A-12 was all they had. No coincidence there."

The SR-71 and the A-12 practicly are the same vehicle, get a grip man.

How did they get the engine running on that "drone"
Still Waiting for an answer, John

[johnlear]

Well if this is true...

It would be an honor !

Permission to private message U for payment and details ?

Frank.

Yes.

[GoingToFast]

I wasn't there but there were obviously modifications. It is unlikely that they got 'one hell of a' B-52 up to Mach 3. You need to get a grip.



What does 'practically' mean? The A-12 was shorter, did not have chines, was a single seater, went faster and higher and there were several other changes.

But it was black. Maybe thats what you mean?

Have to go to sleep now, got to get up early in the morning.
What ever you think of our little conversation here, I realy like you John, you are one hell of a guy. Sweat dreams to you all.

[Ashatav]

Exelent having you here Mr Lear.

Congratulations for all the work you have being doing during these years!

:roll1:






PD: all have to look at this wingmaker material from Dr Neruda interview!

Lets see:

Sarah: "This is what George Bush used to call the New World order isn't it? (!!)
Dr. Neruda: "Yes, but there have been four other presidents who've acknowledged this concept."
(!!!)
Sarah: "What would make the world's people decide to unify under one governing body, or for that matter, create a global culture--whatever that means? I just can't envision it happening--not in my lifetime." (!!!!)
Dr. Neruda: "According to the WingMakers it will happen through the digital economy and then through the Internet's OLIN technology platform. And through this global network, entertainment and educational content will be globalized. This is the basis of a global culture with unified commerce, content, and communities. Once these pieces of the infrastructure are in place, then the need to govern this infrastructure will loom as the preeminent issue of the day. And the United Nations is the logical ruling body for such an endeavor. (!!!!!) As long as the World's people allow the digitization of the economy and embrace the OLIN technology platform, a global government and culture is virtually assured to emerge."

what?!

[johnlear]

Have to go to sleep now, got to get up early in the morning.
What ever you think of our little conversation here, I realy like you John, you are one hell of a guy. Sweat dreams to you all.


Thanks. You may not be aware but when the bluesuiters took over in 1967 there was a lot of ill will. Roadrunners might take considerable offense at someone calling their A-12 an SR-71.

[Kate]

That an actual NWO organization does not exist.

The Illuminati/Jesuit Order/Rothschild Banking conglomerate use the NWO as their whipping boy.


I 100% agree... we have to get our heads realigned with what NWO is...

from what i understand, it is definately a mix of hundreds of 'secret organisations( FREEMASON BASED) /religious orders/ multi nationals who are the big players in the GAME'

NEW WORLD ORDER is a 'tag' which is convenient for the PTB to wrap their agendas around!!
I am totally loving the posts and information spilling out of this thread! keep going folks...great stuff! :trumpet:

live laugh love learn
fire

[Mike_Jetson]

John a couple questions if you will let me. I thought when I saw your Camelot interview and OMF posts but just remembered. If the holograms were used, then surely there would be no need for video fakery?. One point that made me consider the holograms more, was that when the second plane hits, you see barely any wreckage start to fall to the ground. Its like the entire plane goes fully into the building and disapears so unlike a lot, i wont rule it out. Im still on the fence side where remote control smaller planes are used though

In relation to the van allen belt, are you saying we have no bases on the moon or mars?

also, I wish you were serious about the tin hats, I think I need to make one for my facebook profile :)

[Mrs. Robinson]

OMG! :welcomeani: About three pages back I was just trolling along reading all the 'hope he shows up on this site' posts and the next one I read popped up the cutest picture of himself in a birthday hat!! I was so tickled!! I respect and love reading anyone's works that takes me to new area's of awareness and being the curious Leo that I am, I hate not knowing the truth of just about ANYTHING so I'm still in the "Sponge" stage...so thank you so much John for being so generous in sharing your research ...

OK, I hope my little crush doesn't seem tooo gushy! I also want to thank you for posting the piece about the new area 51. I just finished reading the Millenium Hospitality series by Charles Hall and my first thought when I saw that post was if the 'tall whites' have moved to the new nevada digs or are still at Nellis...?

Also, just for funzies, would I still be in Integrity if I didn't vote in this election? (for the first time in my life) :wub2:

thank you for being so accessable for us here John

[eagle]

GoingToFast:

Why do all the videos of the WTC crashes conflict on trajectory and velocity?

Why will the film makers (lucky guys) never talk about their films and where some were even filmed?

Video fakes are child's play.

I hope this is not your only hypothesis.

The hologram is not even neccessary since no one saw it. If they did, they're liars, since it was moving 500mph (according to the videos - lol).

Now figure out how a airliner can go 500mph and hit anything, UNLESS it was remote controlled.

Google "Home Run" aircraft

[eagle]

I agree with you on everything except we never went to the moon. If I had to pick the major reason why I don't think we ever orbited or landed on the moon I would pick that after Apollo 6 in which there were 500 major problems and starting with the next flight Apollo 7, there were none. No Problems, Except for Apollo 13 which was a faked emergency.

The transcripts of the Apollo missions are replete and litered with highly improbables: 'perfect', 'right', 'exactly as we predicted', 'within less than a second accuracy', all pure unadulterated bs as we never went anywhere. It was all video fakery. (as was 911).

Neil Armstrong refused to participate in the aftermath of the hoax which is why he went into virtual seclusion.

No Apollo mission ever went to the moon, orbited the moon or landed on the moon. It was a gigantic hoax specfically to convince the public that we could do anything we put our minds to which is not correct. We can do anything we put our minds to which does not include going further out into space than the Van Allen belt.

If this is true, then how are the aliens beating the van allen belt?

Regularly, I might add.

If they can pass, we can too! If they can hover, we can too! If they can travel through space in a little craft without some huge tank of fuel, we can too! Aliens=free energy!

I still *believe* many photos and possibly videos were faked. We may have gone, but those pristine photos are not real.

I am also trying to figure out how you can say that we didn't go, yet there are glass structures on the Moon.

Those photos are fake, correct?

Or was that in jest - including the parking garage...?

[Heretic]

Greets Mr. Lear

You may not see it but I just opened up a cold one and I am having a beer with you as I write this.

HAH!

Seriously…

I adopt the same philosophy for learning as you , I think, do. Today’s truths are tomorrow’s lies, so I try no to get too emotionally attached to my current reality, even though I need it to learn beyond it.

I have really enjoyed what you have had to share on camera and find your knowledge exhaustive to say the least. I have done my homework on 911 as well as most people here I suppose, and I never really discounted the no plane theories, because well….why discount all the possibilities when your still looking for a viable answer. I think we all agree on “who” did it, but not how.

I watched the videos hit youtube years back concerning the particle beam theory and found it compelling. Watching those planes just evaporate into those buildings did not leave my mind. It is certainly within reason and these are just weapons I can imagine working on the tech I can grasp, and I have had no briefings or friends working at Area 51 keeping me up to date. Holographic tech I can also imagine being a viable sensory replacement for what was really going on. I mean why not? I see the two working together well and think it as a perfectly viable explanation, The fact that these types of theories are the target of such scrutiny and even aggressive attacks by “other” factions in the 911 truth movement makes me look even closer at it from time to time.

But to be honest I don’t think a laymen like me will ever “know” what happened on 911 for sure, kind of like the JFK assassination. It is the “who” and “why” I spend most of my energy on. I also see a lot of heat that has built up between the “planer” and “no planer” theorist due to a competition that has built up between the two. To me this could just be a symptom of people becoming too emotionally attached to their ideology yet I find this to be interesting because it then becomes an argument of the level of control we are under.

For this whole 911 thing to have been sold to us, according to the no planer ideology, there would have to be a much more organized and sinister level of control happening on an audio and visual level than some are willing to accept, like chemtrails being used a holographical experiment to observe high altitude holograph effectiveness for instance. I just made it up, but who knows, they can do it, it is a matter of would they and why.

Just as you stated earlier about every comment made in the Apollo control room was a script, and a film, to fool us all then why not 911. To accept these ideas, one has just to accept the idea that these guys “would” do something like that, and not “could they”. Although I don’t think they would unload all those people from the real planes and let them go with new identities unless they were part of the team also, but most likely acceptable losses.

You consider the possibility of populations on the other planets in our solar system and I find that intriguing and entirely plausible given the fact that I have been lied to about our planets and their nature since birth. I also see it as essential to keep a planet ignorant of its surroundings if your going to control the planet. So I buy the idea for now, and was hoping you could expand on this some. I am curious if you feel they too are controlled as we are. By different controllers or the same as ours? Will a solar neighborhood one day be realized in which we all get along like best friends, or possible wars, or are they like us at all. Is there a bigger picture you have concerning these populations, that was only barely touched on during your interview?

I can see your not an advocate for the 2012 business, fair enough. I do see it as a definite astronomical event. If we or our souls are in any way tied spiritually to the earth and our sun, then perhaps there is some spiritual activity going on that has yet to meet the eye that may or may peak on 2012. I find it all interesting, and it is clear to me we are in the midst of another great awakening that dwarfs the previous ones that textbook history speaks of.

I was wondering if you could comment on the Overview Effect and how it may tie into this awakening sociologically, as well as the individual euphoric experiences, some astronauts have felt and described, that tends to lend credit to the change in consciousness in relationship to the earth. In my eyes this is an interesting phenomenon and I think of it when I think on the 2012 issue.

P.S. I’m having another beer…

[johnlear]

If this is true, then how are the aliens beating the van allen belt?

That should be obvious. They were the ones that put it there for our quarantine. We are not allowed to spread our hate and discontent and warlike attitudes. If we don't have any enemies we invent them like we invented the Muslim terrorist. We can't seem to build weapons more deadly or fast enough. Meanwhile if no enemies show up we bomb ourselves just in case anybody thinks we are not threatened. :)

Regularly, I might add.

More than you cold ever imagine in your wildest dreams.

If they can pass, we can too! If they can hover, we can too! If they can travel through space in a little craft without some huge tank of fuel, we can too! Aliens=free energy!

Yep. Thats the party line. But listen up. We aren't going anywhere without an escort and a damn good reason.

I still *believe* many photos and possibly videos were faked. We may have gone, but those pristine photos are not real.

No, we never went.

I am also trying to figure out how you can say that we didn't go, yet there are glass structures on the Moon.

Yeah heres a nuclear reactor they call Aristarchus:

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/773/aristarchusgravityatshu5.png

Those photos are fake, correct?

Or was that in jest - including the parking garage...?

Yeah, here is a refinery on the far side. Oh forgot, you think I jest. :)

http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/3843/towersne3.jpg

[johnlear]

John a couple questions if you will let me. I thought when I saw your Camelot interview and OMF posts but just remembered. If the holograms were used, then surely there would be no need for video fakery?.

The jury is still out. Everyone of the videos were faked. Most witnesses saw no planes. Was Flight 11 a hologram and 175 video fakery? Was each a little of both?

One point that made me consider the holograms more, was that when the second plane hits, you see barely any wreckage start to fall to the ground. Its like the entire plane goes fully into the building and disapears so unlike a lot, i wont rule it out.

All I am saying is that between all four airplanes there should be at least one or two of the 9.6 million serialized and documented parts with associated part numbers that we can identify. Between the 4 airplanes there was approximately 300 miles of wiring, every 6 inches of which is stamped with a long part number telling were it is coming from, where it is going to and its rating. All I want is 6 inches with that number. I mean the 300 miles of wiring had to go somewhere. It can't all have burned up.

Im still on the fence side where remote control smaller planes are used though

Nope. No remote control planes. Too risky.

In relation to the van allen belt, are you saying we have no bases on the moon or mars?

I no longer believe we have any bases on the moon or Mars. But let me caution you. I have been wrong before.

also, I wish you were serious about the tin hats, I think I need to make one for my facebook profile :)

Price: $20 includes shipping and handling and an autograph.

[King Lear]

Yeah heres a nuclear reactor they call Aristarchus:

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/773/aristarchusgravityatshu5.png


I've a question on the nuclear reactor.
I admit it really looks strange and obviously isn't natural.
With all this glowing light.

But why is it a nuclear reactor? And why is it stated there so openly?
Isnt that quite risky?

I mean, we on earth wrap our nuclear reactors in concrete domes with high security.

And a 2nd question: If "they" means Aliens, why do they still use such a pre-historic energy source/technology?

I thought they are so high adavanced, using anti-gravity and free energy?


Isnt that a bit puzzling?

[magnus18]

Mr. Lear...
Why have you changed your mind about bases on the moon... Just curious.

[johnlear]

I was wondering if you could comment on the Overview Effect and how it may tie into this awakening sociologically, as well as the individual euphoric experiences, some astronauts have felt and described, that tends to lend credit to the change in consciousness in relationship to the earth. In my eyes this is an interesting phenomenon and I think of it when I think on the 2012 issue.

P.S. I’m having another beer…

Euphoric events are caused by too much euphoria. Change in consciousness caused by same thing. No great sociological awakening is coming. No spiritual leader going to take your hand or light the way. There is going to be no rapture. Nothing is going to happen in 2012 except same old wars. Same old famine. Same old terrorists. Same old taxes.

If you want a better deal then its a 'do-it-yourself' proposition:

Live your life with integrity; and without envy, hate or greed. When you have mastered that you get to go out and play with the adults in the universe.

You don't have to worship a god or go to church or put money in the collection bag or read the bible or praise the lord or say your prayers or become a christian or any of that bs.

All you have to do is live your life with integrity; and meet the challenges placed before you without envy, hate or greed. :)

[johnlear]

Mr. Lear...
Why have you changed your mind about bases on the moon... Just curious.


I don't mind telling you that it was a b****.

What happend was Zorgon sent me over some NASA Apollo landing videos and asked me what I thought of them. I watched the first, then the second and then the third and thought, "Omigod...these are fakes."

It was obvious that they had been made at the fake moon at the Langley Research Center. while I watched the video I carefully listened to the audio. Having been a pilot for 42 years I can instantly tell when somebody is faking a transmission. And the guys that read those scripts were faking it big time. Almost big time enough to think they were trying to send a message to other pilots.

Then I got the other three landing videos and watched them. They are so fake you can tell by the diameters of the craters. They mention they are descending out of 30,000 feet and then 1000 feet and the craters is the exact same diameter.

I felt sick at my stomach for a few days because I realized the enormity of the hoax. We never went anywhere. We don't have bases on the moon. We don't have bases on Mars. We never even orbited the moon. It was all faked and it was all a gigantic hoax.

[magnus18]

I don't mind telling you that it was a b****.

What happend was Zorgon sent me over some NASA Apollo landing videos and asked me what I thought of them. I watched the first, then the second and then the third and thought, "Omigod...these are fakes."

It was obvious that they had been made at the fake moon at the Langley Research Center. while I watched the video I carefully listened to the audio. Having been a pilot for 42 years I can instantly tell when somebody is faking a transmission. And the guys that read those scripts were faking it big time. Almost big time enough to think they were trying to send a message to other pilots.

Then I got the other three landing videos and watched them. They are so fake you can tell by the diameters of the craters. They mention they are descending out of 30,000 feet and then 1000 feet and the craters is the exact same diameter.

I felt sick at my stomach for a few days because I realized the enormity of the hoax. We never went anywhere. We don't have bases on the moon. We don't have bases on Mars. We never even orbited the moon. It was all faked and it was all a gigantic hoax.
I see.. I heard a while back that the entire mission was a hoax due to the van allen belts alone. Don't know much about it except that it is deadly radiation and that there was no way a manned flight could have gotten past them and that it is also the reason we never "went back".. if at all.

[johnlear]

I've a question on the nuclear reactor.
I admit it really looks strange and obviously isn't natural.
With all this glowing light.

But why is it a nuclear reactor?

Because the blue is the Cerenkov effect which is when radiation comes in contact with molecules of air it glows a faint blue.

And why is it stated there so openly?

That photo was taken by Mike's Astrophotography for thelivingmoon.com.

Any photo you see taken by NASA is pure white with occasional blue.

Isnt that quite risky?

NASA never showed the public the true photo of Aristarchus. We caught them with their pants down big time.

I mean, we on earth wrap our nuclear reactors in concrete domes with high security.

Oh its wrapped alright but its a glass you can see right through.

And a 2nd question: If "they" means Aliens, why do they still use such a pre-historic energy source/technology?

'They' means the guys that live on the moon. Don't know why they use that type of energy if what we are looking at is really that type of energy.

I thought they are so high adavanced, using anti-gravity and free energy?

If I ever get to the moon I will ask them.

Isnt that a bit puzzling?

Yes, just like Lazar's educational documentation. Lets start of list here of puzzling things. Put down, 'why does Venus rotate backward on its axis?'

[magnus18]

btw...
sorry to hear about all the BS you dealt with at ATS. I heard that they are on the inside anyway... reverse debunkers.

[johnlear]

How did they get the engine running on that "drone"
Still Waiting for an answer, John


They attached a rocket below the drone to get it up to speed to get the ramjet started.

Here's a photo of the B-52 with the D-21 (oh, excuse me, I mean the 1966 model of Aurora :)) and the rocket below it. And no. The B-52 never went Mach 3.

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/1585/800pxb52withd21aku3.jpg

[eagle]

That should be obvious. They were the ones that put it there for our quarantine. We are not allowed to spread our hate and discontent and warlike attitudes. If we don't have any enemies we invent them like we invented the Muslim terrorist. We can't seem to build weapons more deadly or fast enough. Meanwhile if no enemies show up we bomb ourselves just in case anybody thinks we are not threatened. :)



More than you cold ever imagine in your wildest dreams.



Yep. Thats the party line. But listen up. We aren't going anywhere without an escort and a damn good reason.



No, we never went.



Yeah heres a nuclear reactor they call Aristarchus:

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/773/aristarchusgravityatshu5.png



Yeah, here is a refinery on the far side. Oh forgot, you think I jest. :)

http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/3843/towersne3.jpg

They need refineries?

That crater is more likely to be an asteroid impact with uranium, than a power plant.

I am of the opinion of UFO = FREE ENERGY, which means they don't need either of the above.

[johnlear]

They need refineries?

That crater is more likely to be an asteroid impact with uranium, than a power plant.

Are you takng about Aristarchus? An asteroid impact with uranium? What kind of uranium glows blue?

I am of the opinion of UFO = FREE ENERGY, which means they don't need either of the above.

Yeah, you're probably correct. :)

[eagle]

Are you takng about Aristarchus? An asteroid impact with uranium? What kind of uranium glows blue?



Yeah, you're probably correct. :)

Aristarchus? Yes, but beats me what color that is!

I am sure there is an element that may glow blue under certain conditions.

[HaveBlue]

Hi John, Obviously you believe Bob Lazar because he took you to see the Wednesday night flights himself. I also see on one of your Camelot interviews you seem to believe Dan Burisch too as do I.
What I would like to ask is what you make of David Adair- the young rocket builder of fusion rocketry that was taken to Groom Lake in the 70s I think, to see if he could make sense of the Greyhound bus sized alien power plant they had there.
He was also a NASA man too for many years according to his story. He talks of hanging out with Neil Armstrongs mother as a kid etc...and being helped along the way by general Curtis Le May.
From the interviews etc... I've seen of him he also seems crediblsome and believable, obviously an intelligent man. He was supposed to be one of Steven Greers disclosure witnesses but was treated rather poorly by him and has still as far as I know been given an explanation by Mr Greer.
And as for Stanton Friedman, who I do give cred to but am amazed by his attitude towards Bob Lazar too. Maybe just a simple case of professional jelousy! I'm sure he is very happy with the title of 'Grandfather of Roswell' etc... and modern Ufology. Then someone like Bob comes along with a way more exciting and fresh story and Stan maybe feels threatened! If Bob gets on the lecture circuit Stan might lose 'customers' to Bob. The fact that Bob never did this and really wants to put it all behind him just makes him more believable in my mind. Like you I know what I know and believe and don't really care whether others share my beliefs or not.

[johnlear]

Aristarchus? Yes, but beats me what color that is!

Its a light blue.

I am sure there is an element that may glow blue under certain conditions.

Unlikely:

Out of the first 92 elements, 1 being hydrogen (H) and 92 being uranium (U), there are 90 that are naturally occuring. Technetium (Tc) and promethium (Pm) are man-made elements and do not have any isotopes occuring naturally.

One of the most common compounds of elements are the oxides, which is the compound that is produced when an element "rusts" in the presence of oxygen. Some are very reactive with air or water and do not last long in their elemental state, even if produced. Other elements, due to the arrangement of the outer shell of electrons, are very reactive with other elements and are never found out of a compound. Out of these 90 elements, 9 are gases and are usually found in their elemental states. Since many of them are inert gases, they are hard to find and even harder to pick up. There are 4 liquids: bromine (Br), cesium (Cs), gallium (Ga), and mercury (Hg).

http://www.hps.org/publicinformation/ate/q933.html

None of these have a blue glow. What does have a blue glow is the Cerenkov effect:

Čerenkov radiation (also spelled Cerenkov or Cherenkov) is electromagnetic radiation emitted when a charged particle (such as a electron) passes through an insulator at a speed greater than the speed of light in that medium. The characteristic "blue glow" of nuclear reactors is due to Čerenkov radiation. It is named after Russian scientist Pavel Alekseyevich Čerenkov, the 1958 Nobel Prize winner who was the first to characterise it rigorously.

Unlike fluorescence or emission spectra that have characteristic spectral peaks, Čerenkov radiation is continuous. Around the visible spectrum, the relative intensity of one frequency is approximately proportional to the frequency. That is, higher frequencies (shorter wavelengths) are more intense in Čerenkov radiation. This is why visible Čerenkov radiation is observed to be brilliant blue. In fact, most Čerenkov radiation is in the ultraviolet spectrum - it is only with sufficiently accelerated charges that it even becomes visible; the sensitivity of the human eye peaks at green, and is very low in the violet portion of the spectrum.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherenkov_radiation#cite_note-0

Your suggestion that it is a uranium asteroid is not supported by the facts:

Uranium has the highest atomic weight of the naturally occurring elements. Uranium is approximately 70% more dense than lead, but not as dense as gold or tungsten. It is weakly radioactive. It occurs naturally in low concentrations (a few parts per million) in soil, rock and water, and is commercially extracted from uranium-bearing minerals such as uraninite (see uranium mining).http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium

Uranium does not glow blue:

The normal color of uranium glass ranges from yellow to green depending on the oxidation state and concentration of the metal ions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium

Now there a number of elements that occur in other solar systems that do not occur on earth.This is because the 2 main factors which determine the residual matter that remains after the creation of that solar system is the amount of electromagnetic energy and the amount of mass present at the time of the creation of that solar system.

However, it is unlikely that an element created in a solar system not similar to earth, flew to our solar system, landed on our moon, assembled itself into a dome topped hexagonal shape 26 miles in diameter and then started glowing blue. :)

[johnlear]

Hi John, Obviously you believe Bob Lazar because he took you to see the Wednesday night flights himself. I also see on one of your Camelot interviews you seem to believe Dan Burisch too as do I.

Let me make it clear that what I believe about Dan Burisch is this: I believe Dan Burisch worked at S-4 as a microbiologist for the Navy and that he intereacted with a biological/cybernetic entity named the J-Rod.

What I would like to ask is what you make of David Adair- the young rocket builder of fusion rocketry that was taken to Groom Lake in the 70s I think, to see if he could make sense of the Greyhound bus sized alien power plant they had there.
He was also a NASA man too for many years according to his story. He talks of hanging out with Neil Armstrongs mother as a kid etc...and being helped along the way by general Curtis Le May.
From the interviews etc... I've seen of him he also seems crediblsome and believable, obviously an intelligent man. He was supposed to be one of Steven Greers disclosure witnesses but was treated rather poorly by him and has still as far as I know been given an explanation by Mr Greer.

I do not believe the David Adair story. And let me add this: many people don't believe the Bob Lazar story simply because it was too fantastic. This reason I believe the Bob Lazat story is that I was there. I wasn't there for the David Adair story and don't know David Adair and therefore it could be true. But I don't believe it at this time.

And as for Stanton Friedman, who I do give cred to but am amazed by his attitude towards Bob Lazar too. Maybe just a simple case of professional jelousy! I'm sure he is very happy with the title of 'Grandfather of Roswell' etc... and modern Ufology. Then someone like Bob comes along with a way more exciting and fresh story and Stan maybe feels threatened! If Bob gets on the lecture circuit Stan might lose 'customers' to Bob. The fact that Bob never did this and really wants to put it all behind him just makes him more believable in my mind. Like you I know what I know and believe and don't really care whether others share my beliefs or not.

Stan is what they called "Old School". He is set in his ways and if he didn't discover it it can't be true. As I have mentioned before Stan never met or interviewed Bob Lazar. Stan wants to see documented educational records after which he would probably find another excuse not to believe Bob.

I enjoy the privilege of having known Bob for ever 20 years and even having known Bob before he believed that flying saucers were real. I didn't ask to see his educational credentials before we drove out to Groom Lake to see the test flight of the flying saucer on March 22, 1989. The event was good enough for me. :)

[GoingToFast]

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/5646/bbkk2.jpgThey attached a rocket below the drone to get it up to speed to get the ramjet started.

Here's a photo of the B-52 with the D-21 (oh, excuse me, I mean the 1966 model of Aurora :)) and the rocket below it. And no. The B-52 never went Mach 3.

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/1585/800pxb52withd21aku3.jpg

John, I stand corrected, you were right I was wrong.
When I looked at the clip I saw two gigantic air-intakes and that didn´t correlate for me , when I now see the D-21 (mind you) from above in your picture, I see that the deltawing isn´t completely straight at the front, that was my "air-intakes".

[johnlear]

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/5646/bbkk2.jpg

John, I stand corrected, you were right I was wrong.



Its a pleasure to exchange views with you GTF. Looking forward to more.

[Aware_Belgium]

I've come to believe that this site's beginning cource was wrongly directed, in the sense that people were / are forming communities for later on.

This switch in my head was activated under the John Lear Tells All and the StClair interviews

John's main direction is "it'll just all keep continuing as it always does with a little bit a crisis and a little bit of hysteria as usual"

StClair is saying "don't try to change, just go with the flow of the timeline as it should pass"

some / most pple on this forum are planning for later, forming communities and bands to go settle somewhere and survive the future, which i now come to understand is not what we should do

this behavior is saying you alreasy gave up on the near future, in which Benjamin Fulford is trying to make changes

we should not be engaging the far future on year-base but the near future on month-base

so i'm working my ass off to get pple into knowing the truth and bring more and more pple to the side where they begin to see that they've been lied to by the gouvernment and start de-brainwashing asap

what this community forming does is creating PRE_ARRANGED_GROUPS for later on to survive, which in my eyes is not any better then forming an elite for surviving. not to mention the information we're getting comes from timetravelling mostly and planet-readers, who then again say: DONT FIGHT THE FUTURE, and what do we do? we plan... to survive

so i just wanted to stuff this in this thread to have an opinion of the guy to which most pple seem to have a listening ear to: Lohn Lear. Cause then again, popularity seems to have a natural charisma, which I don't have ;)

greets

[Zenbuoy]

"Nope. No remote control planes. Too risky."


Good Sir.

What might you think of this video @ 1:08 showing a white dot possibly guiding the plane image?


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgDjYSE0pDU


thanks

[eagle]

"Nope. No remote control planes. Too risky."


Good Sir.

What might you think of this video @ 1:08 showing a white dot possibly guiding the plane image?


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgDjYSE0pDU


thanks


Electronically Hijacking the World Trade Center Attack Aircraft
http://www.geocities.com/mknemesis/printer.html


Still, the cruise missile is remote controlled and highly accurate for decades. Somehow an empty "home run" can't?

Remote is a definite possibility. I still lean toward the missile, but whichever.

If remote, WHERE ARE THE PARTS!

Any parts found do not match the official story, so it is suppressed (missile parts).

This makes me lean to missile and no plane.

The pentagon incident looks like a drone to me.

[eagle]

Its a light blue.



Unlikely:



None of these have a blue glow. What does have a blue glow is the Cerenkov effect:



Your suggestion that it is a uranium asteroid is not supported by the facts:



Uranium does not glow blue:



Now there a number of elements that occur in other solar systems that do not occur on earth.This is because the 2 main factors which determine the residual matter that remains after the creation of that solar system is the amount of electromagnetic energy and the amount of mass present at the time of the creation of that solar system.

However, it is unlikely that an element created in a solar system not similar to earth, flew to our solar system, landed on our moon, assembled itself into a dome topped hexagonal shape 26 miles in diameter and then started glowing blue. :)

I'll grant you that one.

But they don't need refineries on the Moon with FREE ENERGY for those 100 light year journeys.

[johnlear]

"Nope. No remote control planes. Too risky."


Good Sir.

What might you think of this video @ 1:08 showing a white dot possibly guiding the plane image?


http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgDjYSE0pDU


thanks

If a video purporting to have been taken on 911 contains an airplane crashing into the WTC, that video has been faked or has imaged a holograph.

The purpose of these fake videos is to reinforce public perception that there was in fact airplanes crashing into the WTC.

These videos were fabricated using red dots, white dots, airplanes diving, airplanes turning, airplanes going straight, airplanes looking like drones every possible scenario to keep the perception going that 'something' crashed into the WTC.

When in fact nothing...nothing crashed into the WTC. It was video fakery and Tom Foolery.

What created the Wile E. Coyote cartoon cutouts in the sides of the WTC were sophisticated beam weapons. What destroyed the WTC towers were orbiting space based weapons using molecular disassociation technology.

Just ask yourself this question: Why, in 7 years, has not one building been erected on ground zero? And why, of those that have been partially erected been immediately torn down?

[eagle]

I've come to believe that this site's beginning cource was wrongly directed, in the sense that people were / are forming communities for later on.

This switch in my head was activated under the John Lear Tells All and the StClair interviews

John's main direction is "it'll just all keep continuing as it always does with a little bit a crisis and a little bit of hysteria as usual"

StClair is saying "don't try to change, just go with the flow of the timeline as it should pass"

some / most pple on this forum are planning for later, forming communities and bands to go settle somewhere and survive the future, which i now come to understand is not what we should do

this behavior is saying you alreasy gave up on the near future, in which Benjamin Fulford is trying to make changes

we should not be engaging the far future on year-base but the near future on month-base

so i'm working my ass off to get pple into knowing the truth and bring more and more pple to the side where they begin to see that they've been lied to by the gouvernment and start de-brainwashing asap

what this community forming does is creating PRE_ARRANGED_GROUPS for later on to survive, which in my eyes is not any better then forming an elite for surviving. not to mention the information we're getting comes from timetravelling mostly and planet-readers, who then again say: DONT FIGHT THE FUTURE, and what do we do? we plan... to survive

so i just wanted to stuff this in this thread to have an opinion of the guy to which most pple seem to have a listening ear to: Lohn Lear. Cause then again, popularity seems to have a natural charisma, which I don't have ;)

greets

I've been around long enough not to fall for 2012, TEOTWAWKI, or any other doom.

The community groups? I would not assume that they're all moving to SA next week, but it certainly helps to have like minded people to turn toward.

Still, yes, there are some planning to move out. This is completely unfounded, in my opinion based on the hearsay offered.

Still, if I could swing it, I'd move to a mountain/ocean resort in central/south america!

Who wouldn't?

Hats off to them!

[King Lear]

Nope. No remote control planes. Too risky.




What about the 4 "Doomsday"planes?


Andreas Hauß alludes that these flying command centrals could be able to remote control the planes. And one was filmed very near to the twin towers.

[eagle]

What about the 4 "Doomsday"planes?


Andreas Hauß alludes that these flying command centrals could be able to remote control the planes. And one was filmed very near to the twin towers.

Butting in!

Where are the PARTS? Anything? even as small as my arm...?

[Zenbuoy]

Just ask yourself this question: Why, in 7 years, has not one building been erected on ground zero? And why, of those that have been partially erected been immediately torn down?



I ask myself that question, and having been trained on the stage, I keep coming up asking for, "Line?"

Why has not one building been erected on ground zero?



Thanks. The numbered parts not recovered is rather convincing.

[CONDE]

I've been around long enough not to fall for 2012, TEOTWAWKI, or any other doom.

The community groups? I would not assume that they're all moving to SA next week, but it certainly helps to have like minded people to turn toward.

Still, yes, there are some planning to move out. This is completely unfounded, in my opinion based on the hearsay offered.

Still, if I could swing it, I'd move to a mountain/ocean resort in central/south america!

Who wouldn't?

Hats off to them!

If you can think it, you can swing it... I have started one of such
Sanctuaries with only a spark, generated by George Green, ( 0 $ down )
and it is now REALITY !

How much money you have now, has nothing to do with it...
It is about an investment in clean land, food, and medicine. ( ESSENTIALS)
for the future at one of many locations on this planet.

If My fellow Americans still think that they will have in the very
near future, the (ESSENTIALS) as afordable, available or "safe" as now, they are in for a sobering awakening.

[CONDE]

I ask myself that question, and having been trained on the stage, I keep coming up asking for, "Line?"

Why has not one building been erected on ground zero?



Thanks. The numbered parts not recovered is rather convincing.

Too many negative vibes duuuude !!!:lmao:

[johnlear]

What about the 4 "Doomsday"planes?


Andreas Hauß alludes that these flying command centrals could be able to remote control the planes. And one was filmed very near to the twin towers.


I have only seen a video of one E4-B. There was no remote control. There was no remote control airplanes. There were no remote control drones. There were no remote control airliners. There were no remote control hijackers. There was no remote control A-3. There was no remote control Boeing 737. No remote control extraterrestrial spaceship. No remote control aliens. No remote control nothing. Forget remote control.

Remote control is a cop out, a fantasy, a crutch for those who simply cannot admit that we were all hoaxed by video fakery.

You all run around in circles bumping into each other with wild claims about remote control, black ops hijackers, autopilots that takeover from the pilot and land somewhere, missiles and airliners exploding over the Atlantic.

You were hoaxed by video fakery. Get over it! :)

[CONDE]

You were hoaxed by video fakery. Get over it! :)

Yes my fellow Americans you were HOAXED !

Video EFX are cheap and dramatic !
Think Kubrick ! 2001 (movie sets)==Hollywood==Rothschild
PIXAR type fxs.

And think about who hoaxed you and still does, and laughs at YOU !,
and wants to see U and yours dead or enslaved.
.
.
.LOOKI HERE !!!!

http://www.whodidit.org/cocon.html
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[King Lear]

Are there any evaluations about how much (%) of their targets the Kamikaze were able to hit in WW2?

I admit it's not quite the same, because a 737 (544 mph) is much faster, but comparable: plane hits big object

Yokosuka MXY-7 570mph
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/73/Japanese_Ohka_rocket_plane.jpg/300px-Japanese_Ohka_rocket_plane.jpg
This one is quite an exception because it was not used very long, only in the final phase of the Pacific War. And it was more a rocket than a plane, that's why it was 200mph faster than normal military planes of this time.

Mitsubishi A6M 360mph
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Mitsubishi_Zero-Yasukuni.jpg/400px-Mitsubishi_Zero-Yasukuni.jpg


Nakajima Ki-43 313mph
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c3/Nakajima_Ki-43-IIa.jpg


Dear John,
I also know that you planned to make a video-experiment with some pilots on this issue. What were the results?

[Zenbuoy]

I have only seen a video of one E4-B. There was no remote control. There was no remote control airplanes. There were no remote control drones. There were no remote control airliners. There were no remote control hijackers. There was no remote control A-3. There was no remote control Boeing 737. No remote control extraterrestrial spaceship. No remote control aliens. No remote control nothing. Forget remote control.

Remote control is a cop out, a fantasy, a crutch for those who simply cannot admit that we were all hoaxed by video fakery.

You all run around in circles bumping into each other with wild claims about remote control, black ops hijackers, autopilots that takeover from the pilot and land somewhere, missiles and airliners exploding over the Atlantic.

You were hoaxed by video fakery. Get over it! :)

Pardon any confusion. I am in complete agreement with you.

My brother-in-law was on the 94th floor and I am trying to convince my wife of what you say.

Despite Trolling for a Fight Conde :sleep_1:(Who has already been warned by the moderator) making a remark that there is negativity...

I am over it and agree. I am absolutely grateful for your effott!

[CONDE]

Despite [B]Trolling for a Fight Conde :sleep_1:(Who has already been warned by the moderator) making a remark that there is negativity...
:yikes:Buoyyyy !!!

Are U a Shakespearian Zen or Method trained actor ?:sleep_1::sleep_1::sleep_1::thumbdown:

[HallieBallie]

Is it a bird ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgDjYSE0pDU

I know John is fully into holographic airplanes with the WTC, this movie is very nice, another view.

[johnlear]

Is it a bird ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgDjYSE0pDU

I know John is fully into holographic airplanes with the WTC, this movie is very nice, another view.

Thank you HallieBallie,

and CONGRATULATIONS!!!

You are the one thousandth person to post this video on this thread!!!!

Way to go Hallie!!!!!

[CONDE]

Molecular disassociation technology
RELATED TO 9/11


http://911mockingbird.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/911-molecular-dissociation-beams-crop-formations-other-molecular-changing-gizmos-2/

[Toby]

Thank you John for joining us here on the Forum.


I'm not totally convinced either way..

If there were no planes that hit the building then where are the people and the planes that they booked for the flight.

The Pentagon and the open filed crashses the ones that I have seen leave no trace of an airliner. So I can understand the reasoning there.

Still trying to be open minded here.

[Love/Light 13]

John thank you so much for all your valuable input into this forum. Your knowledge and wisdom is greatly appreciated. While I could not be happier about the open and honest dialogue and debate on this site, i find it ironic how we openly debate the intricate details of the 9-11 conspiracy, seemingly ignoring the fact that the TRUTH is not yet being OPENLY debated in the public arena. The fact the Russia has begun to discuss this topic on national television is a step in the right direction for sure. Just hope that we do not loose ourselves in the details and fail to put our full energies into full and transparent disclosure. Thanks again Mr. Lear!!


May wisdom guide your compassion............"out of many, we are one"

[Matt]

Pleasure to see you again sir!

I wonder how this setup will evolve...

[towhom]

Good morning, John.

Your interviews were enlightening. Thank you for taking the time to present your stories.

Conspiracy theories abound. I am amused and alarmed that so much time, effort and money is invested in them. The information and disinformation that sustains the waves created by these theories ebb and flow when needed to deflect attention on the real issues that need to be addressed by all.

Superweapons – yes, they exist. Are there “planet destroyer” grade weapons currently deployed around our Earth? Yes, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind about this. Frankly, I figured that was the case a long time ago. It didn’t take any specific article or theory to convince me of that fact. Particle beam weaponry, electro-magnetic platforms, AIM using HAARP (hah-hah, just had to add that for comic relief), advanced holographic technology, etc. – yes, that’s believable, but not for the reasons cited. Follow any innovative technology or theory that has been proposed, discredited then resurrected for “editing” or proposed, researched then classified within the last 150 years. Then look at the “dark side” – does the technology or theory have a possible weapons application? And we haven’t even touched on bio-weaponry. Enough said.

Global War Plans – yes, they exist and are in a constant state of flux. Everybody has them – not just the military and/or black ops arms of the governments (geez, sometimes these arms are the governments).

Non-Disclosed Space Exploration – yes, this is a known – both now and since the beginning of the space race. As more mission data becomes available on all planets in this Solar System, more "leaks" will occur. Where’s the data on Venus? Surely that’s been leaked somewhere – everything else seems to have been. Why not that? There’s something about Mercury – our “odd duckie”. I want to hear about Mercury. And let's not forget Saturn - lots of information being withheld on this majestic giant. There are so many sources for information on the Space Race, many of whom are (or were) in a position to know exactly what they’re talking (or disclosing) about. Why is any particular author singled out as “someone who knows”? If compartmentalization has been the modus operandi for all classified research or programs, how did or does any one person or group get access to so much? How much of the Space Side Stuff can be independently confirmed (other than the obvious – that NASA has continuously lied about the Space Program)?

Where does the International Space Station fit into this scenario today? Granted, there are some articles and theories dating before it’s time, but isn’t this (ISS) a co-operative multi-national effort? Or is this a “joint” operation of the “smokable” kind?

Where’s the Vatican connection? You’ve got to have a Vatican or Black Pope connection in any major conspiracy theory.

Way too many double-cross scenarios (but then again, that’s believable when you’re talking about governments, intelligence agencies and secret societies).

Clones/body doubles - This is interesting – really. This is one topic that is supremely suppressed (and one of the main reasons why any credible information available in mainstream research publications would have been found, flagged and destroyed long ago by Echelon or its AI decendent). You will never find complete documentation to support this theory – NEVER. Watch artificial intelligence, robotics, synthetic biology and bionics – there will be indicators in these fields, but only indicators – watch for public sector innovations in these fields that suddenly drop off the radar. The links for many an article’s specific “human clone applications” are to websites known for their “sensationalism” and are, therefore, largely ignored.

When in doubt – throw in a segment on the JFK assassination conspiracy – that’s guaranteed to muddy the waters.

Russia has exotic superweapons and HAS NOT USED THEM TO TAKE OVER North America (Uh, I hate to point out the obvious, but there are just as many military maniacs from the former USSR still welding power for this not to have happened. Oh, right, that’s covered by the “more Russian moles in our government than in Russia so they’re already in control” and the “International Banker Elite two-sided plays” themes – sorry, my mistake).

What about Brookhaven, Lawrence Livermore and Los Alamos laboratories and their secrets? These locations have long, sordid histories, much of which predates the release of a large amount of the research information available today – much more than is referenced by most conspiracy theories.

And while we’re at it – ditto on the above for the Nazi/NWO Connection. What’s their hold up in taking over if they have such a presence and all those super-duper thingies? It sounds as though no one was left in Germany at the end of World War II – all of them left on “The Road to Shangri-La”. Too many Poles – North Pole, South Pole, Poland Poles, non-Pole Popes.

I’m jumping around here – but many articles do that, too – that’s a literary tactic used to keep you from spotting the obvious lack of continuity.

Who would benefit from any information’s release?

Is someone(s) trying to steer people towards a theory filled with red herrings to keep them pre-occupied checking it out?

I do not doubt that many of the theories presented have some bits of truth - possibly large blocks of truth. The point is, rather than dealing with conspiracy theories, it would be a better use of our time to take charge of the issues plaguing the majority of the population on this planet. We have to start somewhere. The fact that there are more of "us" than "them" is, in itself, a comfort. Any "elitist" cadre bent on world domination only operates from a position of power we hand them.

Thank you (all) for taking the time to read this. I appreciate your patience.

Peace and Joy
Always

Sally Anne

[johnlear]

Good morning, John.

We have to start somewhere.

Peace and Joy
Always

Sally Anne


Good point Sally Anne. Here's where we start. With each of us. We must meet the challenges of each of our lives with integrity; and without envy, hate or greed.

We can't hope to figure everything out. We cannot hope to feed all the starving children in the world. We cannot hope to stop the killing in Iraq and wherever else it goes on. McCain isn't going to solve anything and neither is Obama.

We are here on Earth for one purpose and that is for our souls to mature. Sometimes it takes many lifetimes, sometimes it take only a few. It takes however long it takes us 'to it figure out'. Some never do.

But one thing is for sure and that is that we are going to be recycled back here to Earth until we learn to meet each and every challenge set before us with integrity; and without envy, hate or greed.

Some think they have been 'dealt a raw deal'. All that is happening is that challenges are being set forth to see how we will handle them. Some run in circles and shout 'I can't take it anymore'. Some say "Hmmmm, this is interesting. Here is my plan."

It all starts with YOU. Not with Obama or McCain or Putin or Jesus or whoever else you want to blame. YOU are the only one that is responsible for your destiny. No one is 'coming down' to 'take you up'; no one is going to hold your hand or light the way; there will be no rapture; there will be no 'great awakening' or disclosure or convergence or Planet X or whatever the heck they dream up these days.

The instant you wake up in the morning figure out how your are going to meet todays challenges with integrity; and without envy, hate or greed. Tell your loved ones how much you love them. And don't just say, "love you" on the way out the door. Hold them tightly in your arms, look into their eyes, and say, "I love you very much."

It's important. :)

[Richard Sauder]

Hi John,

John Lenard Walson has posted many short videos to the internet that he alleges to depict clandestine, massive space craft that are publicly unacknowledged by NASA and mainstream astronomers.

You can find a bunch of his videos at these links.

http://farabovespaceandtime.com/

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=GRIDKEEPER

http://blip.tv/search?q=walson&x=5&y=11

Do you know anything about this? Is John Lenard Walson really detecting massive space ships around the Earth? Or is he blowing smoke? If his images are genuine, are these structures perhaps "black ops" platforms put up by our military-industrial-espionage complex? Or are they from other, off-planet species and factions?

Or are they both "ours" and "theirs"? In either case, what is their purpose? If true, then we are looking at a MASSIVE, hi-tech clandestine operation. What can you tell us about it?

best regards,
Richard Sauder

[Bigfatfurrytexan]

That was a pretty good summary, John. I would say you summed it up fairly well.

This is a nice forum. I like the layout (the same engine is used in a local forum i post in, so i am familiar with it). I really like the emoticon choices. I mean, what ISN'T to love about this one:


:mf_pain:

[johnlear]

Hi John,

John Lenard Walson has posted many short videos to the internet that he alleges to depict clandestine, massive space craft that are publicly unacknowledged by NASA and mainstream astronomers.

You can find a bunch of his videos at these links.

http://farabovespaceandtime.com/

http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=GRIDKEEPER

http://blip.tv/search?q=walson&x=5&y=11

Do you know anything about this? Is John Lenard Walson really detecting massive space ships around the Earth? Or is he blowing smoke? If his images are genuine, are these structures perhaps "black ops" platforms put up by our military-industrial-espionage complex? Or are they from other, off-planet species and factions?

Or are they both "ours" and "theirs"? In either case, what is their purpose? If true, then we are looking at a MASSIVE, hi-tech clandestine operation. What can you tell us about it?

best regards,
Richard Sauder



Its an honor to have you posting here Richard.

The massive ships that JLW has detected are part of our space based weapons fleet.

At present there are between 8 and 12 orbiting space weapons and manufacturing platforms manned and supported by a corps of almost 5000 astronauts (Army, Navy, Air Force, NASA) all (ostensibly) under USSCOM.

The space shuttle and its quarterly jaunts to the ISS is a diversion to the real mission in which we, Russian and others are allied.

We currently launch astronauts in Delta, Zenit 3SL's, Titans, and Atlases. There are probably other highly classified manned launch vehicles (single stage to orbit and return).

There are about 20 major launch facilities located throughout the world in addition to the Ronald Reagan Launch Complex on Kwaljalein, Vandenberg, Patrick AFB, Wallops Island and of course Kennedy.

Several in both Russia, China and Australia.

By the way, when it takes the space shuttle 3 days to 'catch up' to the ISS what is really happening is that it is making deliveries of food and cargo to the weapons and manufacturing platforms. That’s why when it opens its doors at the ISS it is always half empty.

The reason that two Russian Progress rockets have always just arrived at the ISS when the Space Shuttle gets there is that the cargo from the Progess rocket is loaded into the Shuttle and when it undocks it goes to other space weapons platforms to deliver more food and cargo.

Look at it this way; it takes 55 minutes to deorbit and land at Kennedy from the ISS. Did you every wonder why it always takes over 48 hours to accomplish that?

Yeah, yeah, I know. The astronaut union wants 2 consecutive 8 hours rest periods before deorbit burn and landing. :)

By the way, one of the weapons platforms was the one that used the molecular disassociation technology to reduce both WTC towers to ash.

There are some pretty nasty kitties out there. :)

[johnlear]

That was a pretty good summary, John. I would say you summed it up fairly well.

This is a nice forum. I like the layout (the same engine is used in a local forum i post in, so i am familiar with it). I really like the emoticon choices. I mean, what ISN'T to love about this one:


:mf_pain:


Nice to see you again BFFT. :)

[symbolon]

But one thing is for sure and that is that we are going to be recycled back here to Earth until we learn to meet each and every challenge set before us with integrity; and without envy, hate or greed.
It is the truth, and no one can escape it. There are no shortcuts...there never were. Each and everyone of us will have to remember who we really are. If you have not learned to infect others with your light and express yourself in love, then you will have to scramble in the dark until you do. In actual fact, since you have infinity as your playground, you can't actually lose in this game...so it's not all doom and gloom.

And yet, you have a choice in the way you take this path. Will you make it easy for yourself or will you make it difficult? As John implied, remember..if you choose wrong, there is a penalty.

[CONDE]

Its an honor to have you posting here Richard.

The massive ships that JLW has detected are part of our space based weapons fleet.

At present there are between 8 and 12 orbiting space weapons and manufacturing platforms manned and supported by a corps of almost 5000 astronauts (Army, Navy, Air Force, NASA) all (ostensibly) under USSCOM.

The space shuttle and its quarterly jaunts to the ISS is a diversion to the real mission in which we, Russian and others are allied.

We currently launch astronauts in Delta, Zenit 3SL's, Titans, and Atlases. There are probably other highly classified manned launch vehicles (single stage to orbit and return).

There are about 20 major launch facilities located throughout the world in addition to the Ronald Reagan Launch Complex on Kwaljalein, Vandenberg, Patrick AFB, Wallops Island and of course Kennedy.

Several in both Russia, China and Australia.

By the way, when it takes the space shuttle 3 days to 'catch up' to the ISS what is really happening is that it is making deliveries of food and cargo to the weapons and manufacturing platforms. That’s why when it opens its doors at the ISS it is always half empty.

The reason that two Russian Progress rockets have always just arrived at the ISS when the Space Shuttle gets there is that the cargo from the Progess rocket is loaded into the Shuttle and when it undocks it goes to other space weapons platforms to deliver more food and cargo.

Look at it this way; it takes 55 minutes to deorbit and land at Kennedy from the ISS. Did you every wonder why it always takes over 48 hours to accomplish that?

Yeah, yeah, I know. The astronaut union wants 2 consecutive 8 hours rest periods before deorbit burn and landing. :)

By the way, one of the weapons platforms was the one that used the molecular disassociation technology to reduce both WTC towers to ash.

There are some pretty nasty kitties out there. :)

:shocked:
MORE PLEASE, I BEG YOU !!!!!!!!!:sweatdrop:

[Bigfatfurrytexan]

That is an interesting outlook, John. I am sort of the same way. I think in terms of probability and tend to imagine many different scenarios. I enjoy discussing each of these scenarios separate from other possibilities which I may also enjoy discussing.

For example, it is fun to discuss Venus in a classical sense. You know, hot and high pressure. But I also enjoy discussing it in the sense that you and many others do, with it being far more hospitable than we would believe.

Where i confuse myself is when i try to keep both viewpoints in mind while exploring subsequent possibilities.


The only thing set in stone is stone itself.

[johnlear]

That is an interesting outlook, John. I am sort of the same way. I think in terms of probability and tend to imagine many different scenarios. I enjoy discussing each of these scenarios separate from other possibilities which I may also enjoy discussing.

For example, it is fun to discuss Venus in a classical sense. You know, hot and high pressure. But I also enjoy discussing it in the sense that you and many others do, with it being far more hospitable than we would believe.

Where i confuse myself is when i try to keep both viewpoints in mind while exploring subsequent possibilities.


The only thing set in stone is stone itself. :)


Once you see proof positive of two or three instances where the government has fed us a load of crap then its easier to see that its all crap. There will be that one instant where it will dawn on you, and you will say to yourself, "Oh no!"

[Bigfatfurrytexan]

It is good to be here, John. I really enjoy your reading, and have still been lurking on some of your other forum participations.

Regarding Kwajelein...

My grandfather worked on the missile coolant systems there in the 60's. My mom was a teenager, as were my uncles. There was no TV, and the radio was USO. This meant that you only got an hour or two of "your type" of music every day.

The status symbols of the Americans on the base was their AV equipment. My family has quite a few pics of rockets being launched, and i am willing to bet that there are thousands of feet of film and other images locked away in family footchests from folks who lived there at that time. Everyone had camera's, and everyone filmed the launches. They would picnic and sit out in large groups to watch launches.

After one launch in the late 60's, the military put out a request to all solidiers and civilians: they had botched the filming of the most recent launch, and needed to see if the locals would mind sharing what they had of it. After this, they didn't allow any more filming of launches, and required people to stay indoors. Of course, people complied as the island was a small family, and the people were very blindly patriotic.

The story mom has is that they saw that the locals footage was better than theirs, and that it was embarrassing to them. Of course, now that it is 2008 she believes it was more of a national security issue.

I believe that this is a launch platform for the secret space missions, and that this is what they wanted to hide. Can't have images of large titan and delta rockets being launched, right?

I need to get with my uncle and discuss his time on Kwaj. He was in a bike wreck, and his memory isn't so good...so i am unsure if he can add much. Well...and he is a pothead biker (part of the reason he had his bike wreck, i guess).

[Bigfatfurrytexan]

Once you see proof positive of two or three instances where the government has fed us a load of crap then its easier to see that its all crap. There will be that one instant where it will dawn on you, and you will say to yourself, "Oh no!"

That is what you and Zorgon have done for me, for sure. :) You have "disillusioned" me, and it is nice to stop living with illusions.

Add to that what Matt has done for showing me the possibility of what can be....

The recent cloaking thing is one big one (as it supports the inside info we received via Zorgon, and that supports all the other info recieved from teh same source). The work that is being done in Europe on Gravity is another.

Then you add in all the stuff that you had in your Copernicus images thread....

this one still is the kicker. Nothing will ever convince me otherwise unless this image can be debunked. it is the clencher for me:

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon9/AS11_41_6156/Structure02a.png

BTW...Mr. Jim Oberg chimed in on the "tear in spacetime" image, but would not comment on the above (he became terse and responded: ""Why?" means to what purpose should I do your homework, when after I acquiesced to your first request, you shrugged it off and went on to what's clearly just another item on a potentially near-infinite list. When you asked that first question, had you even looked on the Apollo Lunar Surface journal -- easily findable on the web -- for context? My point: I shouldn't be made into the 'single point failure' on your inability to find satisfactory prosaic explanations. What's in it for me? ").

That is another topic...and i will save the rest for that.

[GodLover]

If Planet X is not true, then what actually is causing an increase in the earthquakes and volcanic activities? Hurricanes and weather can be explained away with global warming but how about all the other things?

[Avid]

Once you see proof positive of two or three instances where the government has fed us a load of crap then its easier to see that its all crap. There will be that one instant where it will dawn on you, and you will say to yourself, "Oh no!"

'Dear John'....
I am reading, watching the forums (not just this one) etc.
Read/watched all of your discussions. Google-earthed all the sites.
I've done all the 'new age' stuff, I have been sickened by reality searching the background of the highest elitists, I've watched Walson's imagery for months, you are wearing your 'tin hat' (does it suit you???:biggrin2:), I get daily updates on the poisonings from health watchers, mind-warping and soul-searching messages from all over the globe about their horrendous circumstances, and we are expected to go OHHHHMMMM etc!
No way!
You are so matter-of-fact John, resigned to reporting and the aftermath.
Gimme some karma? (or has that gone up with the price of fuel) - nothing would surprise me now....
Time for a chill-out beer, stick the laundry button (whilst I can) and read loads more of great stuff eh?
Thanks for your honest-to-goodness stuff, and opinions - and most of all - your humour.

[Bigfatfurrytexan]

If Planet X is not true, then what actually is causing an increase in the earthquakes and volcanic activities? Hurricanes and weather can be explained away with global warming but how about all the other things?

The sun. It drives our solar system in every possible way. it is the sun, plain and simple. :)

How would planet X increase Earthquakes? And this increase...what time scale are we talking? Has it increased when viewed over the last thousand years? Two days? What does the human point of reference do to such suppositions?

Global warming is a bigger myth than Planet X. Of course the planet is warming up. So is every other planet in the solar system. Did we pollute them as well? (I know Zorgon will chime in with the plutonium and such....that isn't what I mean).

There is no evidence to support Planet X that I am aware of. No astronomical measurements. That YouTube video was a hoax, admitted by the guy who created it.

[GoingToFast]

Take a look at this John, maybe you have seen it already, there is no end to the river of ******** that keeps flowing from the Neocon-criminals. They are getting desperate, they know the whole world is on to them.
STRANGE MAGNETIC FORCES, give me a break whats next, "Donald Duck did it"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7607473.stm

[GoingToFast]

May the strange magnetic force be with you Luke Skywalker

[johnlear]

If Planet X is not true, then what actually is causing an increase in the earthquakes and volcanic activities? Hurricanes and weather can be explained away with global warming but how about all the other things?


Its actually a combination of HAARP and something else I don't know too much about. There are at least 30 HAARP transmitters world wide. The can make, direct and intensify hurricanes, (for instance Erin was manufactured to be sure the toxic gases from the molecular disassociation weapon spewed out south over the Atlantic on 911, Katrina was another) or any other type of weather phenomena.

Want a volcano to become active? Just say where and when. They have an earthquake machine (I know, I know, well eventually you'll get there! :)) It was the machine that caused the earthquake in China a few months ago 300 miles west of the 3 Gorges dam that destroyed the Chinese undeground nuke facility. You remember the tsunami in southeast Asia a few years ago that killed 250,000 people? That was them or 'us' or U.S. or whatever you want, its all the same.

Global warming is nothing but a cycle of warming that will eventually take care of itself. There is nothing we can do or pay to stop it. But to be sure you believe it and are paying attention the military will be happy to cut off a few icebergs for you to prove it. Like this one:

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7261/icebergxk3.jpg

This was a 'clean break' you might say, 30 miles long. :)

[johnlear]

Take a look at this John, maybe you have seen it already, there is no end to the river of ******** that keeps flowing from the Neocon-criminals. They are getting desperate, they know the whole world is on to them.
STRANGE MAGNETIC FORCES, give me a break whats next, "Donald Duck did it"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7607473.stm



"Donald Duck did it!" Now that made me laugh out loud.

You have to know that the guys that are writing this stuff signed up to get access to the secrets of the universe. Now they're stuck writing fairy tales beyond their wildest dreams. :)

[King Lear]

Its actually a combination of HAARP and something else I don't know too much about. There are at least 30 HAARP transmitters world wide.

It was the machine that caused the earthquake in China a few months ago 300 miles west of the 3 Gorges dam that destroyed the Chinese undeground nuke facility.

You remember the tsunami in southeast Asia a few years ago that killed 250,000 people? That was them or 'us' or U.S. or whatever you want, its all the same.




Hmmm HAARP...:winksmiley02:

My favorite topic:wink2: - Best greetings to Benjamin Fulford!


Let us imagine this machine/facility is real and it could cause earthquakes and seaquakes.
Then let us imagine I'm Kim Jong Mentally-Ill, and I'm so damn jelous about the fact that the South Koreans are sooooo damn rich and I've to turn off the lights at night in my country.

But I've a HAARP machine/facility - HARRR HARRR HARRR HAARP:devil:
And now I go forward to destroy Seol!

But how can I direct the HAARP power???
I want to hit Seol and not Qingdao or Beijing, they are my communistic bossomfriends... they're my last friends!:tears:

So, HOW can I direct HAARP???




http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/agonzalez90/Communism.png

[CONDE]

Its actually a combination of HAARP and something else I don't know too much about. There are at least 30 HAARP transmitters world wide. The can make, direct and intensify hurricanes, (for instance Erin was manufactured to be sure the toxic gases from the molecular disassociation weapon spewed out south over the Atlantic on 911, Katrina was another) or any other type of weather phenomena.

Want a volcano to become active? Just say where and when. They have an earthquake machine (I know, I know, well eventually you'll get there! :)) It was the machine that caused the earthquake in China a few months ago 300 miles west of the 3 Gorges dam that destroyed the Chinese undeground nuke facility. You remember the tsunami in southeast Asia a few years ago that killed 250,000 people? That was them or 'us' or U.S. or whatever you want, its all the same.

Global warming is nothing but a cycle of warming that will eventually take care of itself. There is nothing we can do or pay to stop it. But to be sure you believe it and are paying attention the military will be happy to cut off a few icebergs for you to prove it. Like this one:

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7261/icebergxk3.jpg

This was a 'clean break' you might say, 30 miles long. :)

SOOOOO, can we say then that the U.S.ses and the Ruskis are playing
a deadly game of of Macabre ping-pong on the Gulf / Caribbean sector
as we chat and we are just "collateral damage" ?

[johnlear]

SOOOOO, can we say then that the U.S.ses and the Ruskis are playing
a deadly game of of Macabre ping-pong on the Gulf / Caribbean sector
as we chat and we are just "collateral damage" ?


Well this is just a guess but I think they are checking some new guys out on the controls. Steering Ike left and right then left again. Increase intensity, decrease intensity.

They have a pinpoint intensifier where they can direct a splash. One of the guys was watching Fox News while this was going (on the orbiting satellite) and said "I betcha can't knock Geraldo on his ass."

The guy at the controls said, "Just watch this." :)

[CONDE]

Well this is just a guess but I think they are checking some new guys out on the controls. Steering Ike left and right then left again. Increase intensity, decrease intensity.

They have a pinpoint intensifier where they can direct a splash. One of the guys was watching Fox News while this was going (on the orbiting satellite) and said "I betcha can't knock Geraldo on his ass."

The guy at the controls said, "Just watch this." :)

I can't think of a better target at faux news...other than Mr. spin zone.
I've would of nudged the trigger man on ;..."Betcha you can't make
his moustache go pufffffff !" I just got back from SpaceMart !....
....( fresh Hagen Dass just arrived,..... Rum Raisin Ur favorite !!!
:roll1::roll1::roll1::roll1::roll1::roll1::roll1:: roll1::roll1:

[Bigfatfurrytexan]

SOOOOO, can we say then that the U.S.ses and the Ruskis are playing
a deadly game of of Macabre ping-pong on the Gulf / Caribbean sector
as we chat and we are just "collateral damage" ?

I don't believe so. Macabre is not Putins style...too subtle. Brutal is a little more like it. :)

The Ruskies and Uncle Sam only play rough in public. Behind the scenes they are kind of sweet on each other.

Remember, the primary goal of each government is to control the people. Their people, our people, other people's people...they want to control the people.

The means of this control in the US is myriad. Financial control is primary. There are several afflictions that one can have. If you want to avoid these afflictions, or if you just enjoy the 50" DLP with your DVR set up at your nicely air conditioned home while eating only boneless/skinless, organic chicken...you are controlled by the need to purchase. The things you want worse cost the most (how much IS AIDS medicine per dose? I know that to treat lymphoma is close to 22k per dose....a lot of money to pay just so you can keep living). It is the best system found thus far, honestly, as you don't really have to kill the populace to keep control. And the populace continue to provide the bellows by which the fire of control is stoked: greed and effort (to build infrastructure).

Who has time to read through the annual US budget when Monday Night Football is on? Ok...so on Monday nights i wouldn't have time either....but being a Texas boy i just love football. :roftl:

[eagle]

Very interesting...

The other looks like it comes from Egypt. While they are similar, they cannot be one and the same.

there you go...pics removed

[Bigfatfurrytexan]

Holy crap. Will you resize that picture, please?

[zorgon]

Originally Posted by johnlear View Post
Its actually a combination of HAARP and something else I don't know too much about. There are at least 30 HAARP transmitters world wide.

Its a combination of facilities... There is so much involved that Jack and I have been going crazy trying to put it all together... I think seeing as there is interest I will make that my next big thread and start it off before the Gravity on the Moon thread... (Besides I have new data on the gravity from JAXA to add and John is working on the Pari Spolter angle...

Elements involved...
EISCAT - European Incoherent Scatter
HIPAS - High Power Auroral Stimulation Observatory
IRIS - Imaging Riometer for Ionospheric Studies

I will toss a few in here for now but will put it in order in a thread next week...

SURA Russian HAARP Facility

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/Bases/Sura-antenna.jpg

The Sura facility was commissioned in 1981. Using this facility, Russian researchers achieved extremely interesting results regarding the ionosphere behavior and discovered the effect of generation of low-frequency emission at the modulation of ionosphere current[1]. At the beginning, Soviet Defense Department mostly footed the bill. The American HAARP ionospheric heater is similar to the Sura facility. The HAARP project began in 1993.

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/Bases/sura_antennas.jpg

SURA Emblem

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/Bases/Sura.png

Jicamarca Radio Observatory - Lima, Peru

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/Bases/jicamarca.jpg

Much bigger than HAARP
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/Bases/JRO.jpg

Although it is in Peru it is maintained by Cornell University

National MST Radar Facility
Gadanki, near Tirupati, in southern Andra Pradesh, India

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/Bases/124394129_82c4fc66a4_b.jpg

This is for John

CHERENKOV RADIATION at night... :yikes:

I will explain why this is important later I really don't want to toss it all in here at random as its taken months of work, but I know John will catch the significance in relation to the Moon (I will copy the other post below)
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/Bases/National_002.jpg

Here is an EISCAT faciltiy in Norway... same look... same function... only a different name... part of the 'network'

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/Bases/EISCAT_03.jpg

Here is an IRIS facility in Kilpisjärvi, Finland... same look... same function... only a different name... part of the 'network'

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/Svalbard/IRIS_Kilpisj%E4rvi_01.jpeg




But how can I direct the HAARP power???

Well first YOU would have to break into a secure facility :bleh:

But since the HAARP Signal is basically a radar network... controlling it is relatively simple by adjusting the frequencies of individual elements...

In fact they are getting so good at it they can literally draw in the Aurora

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Earth/Clouds/Ed-Kreminski1.jpg

What is more interesting is that the scientists feel they can put up a new shield around the Earth should ours fail in case of a pole shift... (this same shield can be used for missile defense) or turned off over certain regions...

An off shoot of this technology is Star Trek like shields for spacecraft... something NASA already did papers on dated 1964 by GE

Shields for the Starship Enterprise: A Reality?

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/EISCAT/image002a.jpg
Image Credit: EISCAT

An artificial magnetosphere could be generated around manned space craft en route to the Moon or Mars to protect the occupants from the potentially lethal radiation in space from the Sun. A superconducting ring on board such a space craft could produce a magnetic field, or mini-magnetosphere, similar to the Earth’s, which would create a Star Trek like ‘deflector or plasma shield

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/03files/EISCAT_Artificial_Magnetic_Shield.html


ACTIVE SHIELDING CONCEPTS FOR THE IONIZING RADIATION IN SPACE

prepared for
NATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATION
R.C. GOOD, S.P. SHEN, AND N.F. DOW
Contract NASw-502 Final Report Rev. 31 Jan. 1964

Summary:

Studies have been made on the problems of shielding a spacecraft from ionizing radiation. Protons having energies between 100 and 1,000 MeV were taken as the radiation that should be excluded from the spacecraft's crew. An electromagnetic field system using a toroidal shaped spacecraft with a confined magnetic field is shown to be the lightest among those treated.

Weight calculations were made for spacecraft having crew spaces of 10, 100, 1,000, and 10,000 cu. ft. Spheres, cylinders, toruses, and spherical modules were selected for crew space configurations. Confined magnetic
fields surrounded each with passively shielded hatches added for passageway through the field. The weights were compared with a polyethylene passive shield by plotting the weight of shield system per unit volume of crew space against the Loading Index, the ratio of stopping power to a dimension of the system. Weights of hatch, superconducting coils, thermal insulation, and structural support were calculated.

In general, the active shield weight is only 20% that of the passive shield for high energy protons and for large sizes of spacecraft. The shield with a confined field weighs 30% of that for a shield using an unconfined field. If hatches are included, the use of spherical modules leads to spacecraft that are lighter than spheres, cylinders, or toruses. For spacecraft in the shape of a torus, a passively shielded hatch is not required because there are no
junctions between oppositely directed magnetic fields. In that case, a spacecraft in the shape of a torus is lighter than the other shapes.

ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19640021638_1964021638.pdf

So as we can see there is a LOT more to this than HAARP

But all anyone ever wants to do is blame HAARP for everything yet never look past their noses at what they are really doing... and just how far advanced they are...

As John said about 30... and they are building more. I have found most of them on Google Earth, but not the ones in Russia or China yet

King Lear... if you ARE interested I can use help sorting data

standauffish@earthlink.net

[zorgon]

Moved from the other thread because of relevance here...

I will start the new HAARP thread soon, but next few days will be hell at work so have patience

Weird A few days ago I just put together all the info on HAARP from the Navy websites... I just now went to quote them only to find they have shut them down... at least at this time

One is still in Google Cache (http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:plfAqmQ_q4EJ:www.nrl.navy.mil/content.php%3FP%3D04REVIEW106+haarp+navy+NRL&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a)...

Here are the original links...

They are either changing their websites or pulling them

NRL - The High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program
It was developed by NRL's Plasma Physics Division and on loan to HAARP for ... program addresses communications and surveillance needs of the Navy with the ...
www.nrl.navy.mil/content.php?P=04REVIEW106

NRL Press Release
Jan 8, 2008 ... Significant help in conducting the experiment was provided by HAARP Program Managers Paul Kossey (Air Force) and Edward Kennedy (Navy); ...
www.nrl.navy.mil/pressRelease.php?Y=2008&R=4-08r

HAARP
Simulations of ELF radiation generated by heating the high-latitude D- region. H.L. Rowland, Beam Physics Branch, Plasma Physics Division, Naval Research ...
http://wwwppd.nrl.navy.mil/whatsnew/haarp/

This last one is still on Goggle Cache (http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:kIlL25EvA3gJ:wwwppd.nrl.navy.mil/whatsnew/haarp/+haarp+navy+NRL&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=us&client=firefox-a)...

MAYBE it has something to do with this...

Scientists Detect Lowest Frequency Radar Echo from the Moon

HaarpA team of scientists from the Naval Research Laboratory (NRL), the Air Force Research Laboratory’s (AFRL’s) Research Vehicles Directorate, Kirtland Air Force Base, N.M., and the University of New Mexico (UNM) has detected the lowest frequency radar echo from the moon ever seen with earth-based receivers.

http://www.unm.edu/~market/cgi-bin/archives/002519.html

Seems they are trying to look inside the Moon :yikes:

I have been working a long time on the HAARP array and its sister stations and will do a full thread on it sometime next week..


It seems that they also think that IF the Earth looses its magnetic shield during a pole shift, that they can 'replace' it and protect us

The down side of this is that they can turn it off where ever they want...

"Hey Castro... we want 10,000 of your finest cigars for the boys or we hit the 'off' switch.... "

One more teaser for now....

The High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) provides significant new capabilities for conducting experimental research on high-power, radio wave interactions in the ionosphere and space, as well as in related military-system applications. The facility for experimental research is located in Gakona, Alaska.

The program is jointly managed by the Air Force Research Laboratory, Space Vehicles Directorate, Kirtland Air Force Base, N.M., and the Office of Naval Research, Arlington, Va.

http://www.kirtland.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-070404-097.pdf

Careful this is a secured .mil site and may only be accessible from within the USA

But it shows you the players

So seems they are trying to see whether or not the Moon is hollow

In addition to these projects, the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Project
(HAARP) is exploring the use of low frequency electromagnetic waves for detecting and imaging
underground structures and tunnels

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/cprc97/cprc9705.pdf

[johnlear]

Eagle,

Please resize your picture.

Thanks.

[mystiq]

There are literally thousands of different type of ET's visiting every day for thousands of different reasons. Many have agreements with different governments. But it is a secret and, just guessing, you have no need to know.




Actually it is a core need, and there is not rightful authority acceptable over any sovereign persons head, which they define themselves and do not give the right to define to any other person. As a family that has been forced to endure the hospitality of greys, a hospitality we have not pursued and now this includes my son, these words are the most insulting and wrongfully abusive examples of authoritian nonsense by those who believe they're all that! I'm furious that you said that. Everyone is born royalty beyond description and has a million times more right to know than the traitors of humanity.
1) The craft we saw April 12th, had either hybrids aboard or worked directly with this program. The words came to me in a very strong way: "We (with emphasis) represent the human race!" My children ran outside for 4-6 minutes while it hovered overhead.
2) The memory I have of around 5 involves the moon. Where we landed was barren, dark and forbidding. I was terrified and clinging to a nazi type with a grey, walking in a tube to the base. The atmosphere was not breathable. I don't know if it had an atmosphere. I think it needs plant life to be breathable and that wasn't evident from what I saw. Just a brief very clear memory. There are definately greys on the moon. Apparently nazis. Definately hybrids. Possibly nordic types that were working in this project. And children from earth forced to enjoy their hospitality.

As to a need to know? I determine that! If other people weren't so apathetic these guys would be spending their lives behind bars ASAP.

Edit to add: and that hybrid program is actually extremely interesting. There are many theories about et agenda. Hybrids amongst us implies a takeover! That makes traitors of the tyrants who trade technology for lives.

[John aka#404]

Its an honor to have you posting here Richard.

The massive ships that JLW has detected are part of our space based weapons fleet.

At present there are between 8 and 12 orbiting space weapons and manufacturing platforms manned and supported by a corps of almost 5000 astronauts (Army, Navy, Air Force, NASA) all (ostensibly) under USSCOM.

The space shuttle and its quarterly jaunts to the ISS is a diversion to the real mission in which we, Russian and others are allied.

We currently launch astronauts in Delta, Zenit 3SL's, Titans, and Atlases. There are probably other highly classified manned launch vehicles (single stage to orbit and return).

There are about 20 major launch facilities located throughout the world in addition to the Ronald Reagan Launch Complex on Kwaljalein, Vandenberg, Patrick AFB, Wallops Island and of course Kennedy.

Several in both Russia, China and Australia.

By the way, when it takes the space shuttle 3 days to 'catch up' to the ISS what is really happening is that it is making deliveries of food and cargo to the weapons and manufacturing platforms. That’s why when it opens its doors at the ISS it is always half empty.

The reason that two Russian Progress rockets have always just arrived at the ISS when the Space Shuttle gets there is that the cargo from the Progess rocket is loaded into the Shuttle and when it undocks it goes to other space weapons platforms to deliver more food and cargo.

Look at it this way; it takes 55 minutes to deorbit and land at Kennedy from the ISS. Did you every wonder why it always takes over 48 hours to accomplish that?

Yeah, yeah, I know. The astronaut union wants 2 consecutive 8 hours rest periods before deorbit burn and landing. :)

By the way, one of the weapons platforms was the one that used the molecular disassociation technology to reduce both WTC towers to ash.

There are some pretty nasty kitties out there. :)


Thanks Mr. Lear for that. I have been watching the whole John L. Walson thing ever since the first pictures came out and Jeff Rense's dedicated pages. I myself have spent time using my telescope watching them derned 'twinkling stars'.

Well... thanks again. Good to read an explanation that answers just more than one question. :)

Take care.

John aka#404

[atama]

Hello atama. There will be no ascension, no planet X, no Nibiro unless it is a holographic fake by the government. We will have the usual wars, conflicts, shortage of this, shortage of that, your everyday run of the mill problems.

Our job on earth is to live our lives with integrity; and without envy, hate or greed. The souls here on earth mature at different rates so forget about 'we', 'all of us', 'humanity', 'the human race', 'Christians', 'Muslims' and 'disclosure'.

Just worry about yourself because it all starts with you. It doesn't start with 'getting those guys who did this or that', it doesn't start with pulling us out of Iraq', it doesn't start with 'finding out who pulled off 911'; YOU. It starts with you and are YOU living your life without envy, hate or greed? If not then I have news for you. Jesus won't be back but you will.

If you want to have more fun than you could ever possibly imagine then start earning it. You will not be allowed to play with the adults 'out there' until you learn to live with inegrity; and without envy, hate or greed.

<climbs back off soapbox, heads to mine> :)

firstly JL, you're a brilliant guy so don't take me as a smartaxx. i'm new to all of this and i just want some opinions i can trust.

if we have no ascension or climax to reach as souls then why bother living without greed, hate and envy? integrity is something i hold personally dear as i believe in the higher self and a higher existence, whatever it may be. why would you need integrity if your just here and thats it? integrity would just be a pain in the neck.

i personally don't care what Jesus does, he is his own person as am i. what is the point of me coming back if i can't aspire to be something better than i am.

you seem to believe in the mechanics of reincarnation but it sounds like you're missing the point of it? surely life isn't like an American car race where you just around and around in circles for no reason?

[johnlear]

Actually it is a core need, and there is not rightful authority acceptable over any sovereign persons head, which they define themselves and do not give the right to define to any other person.

"Free will", "right to know", "freedom", "democracy", "justice", "rightful this", "rightful that" are all cushy human fantasies.

In the real world you only need be concerned about YOU. And are you living your life with integrity? Are you living without envy, hate or greed? Are you telling your family members how much you love them every single day?

Oh, and sorry about the Nazi's. They just won't quit trying to engineer that 'super race' nonsense.

Everyone is born royalty beyond description and has a million times more right to know than the traitors of humanity.

This would be an extremely cushy human fantasy. Oh, and not true.

As to a need to know? I determine that! If other people weren't so apathetic these guys would be spending their lives behind bars ASAP.

Easy. Easy. Don't worry about everyone else. Just worry about you.

Hybrids amongst us implies a takeover!

Well I hope gas prices go down.

That makes traitors of the tyrants who trade technology for lives.

Those traitors will get theirs. :)

I am certainly not above a little complaining myself mystiq, but every since you got here its been "b****, b****. b****" about this and "b****. b****, b****" about that. I almost thought you might be my ex-wife. :)

[johnlear]

firstly JL, you're a brilliant guy so don't take me as a smartaxx. i'm new to all of this and i just want some opinions i can trust.

if we have no ascension or climax to reach as souls then why bother living without greed, hate and envy?

Good question. What I meant was there will be no ascension before your soul has matured. And it will only mature by living your life with integrity; and without envy hate or greed.

The 'ascension' people commonly wait for, they think they are going to get a free ride if they get their head dunked. Its not that easy. To be able to go out and play with the other adults of the universe and to enjoy 'heaven' you gotta put forth some effort. Not like going to church on Sunday (missing an early morning fish) or dropping a ten spot (and declaring $25) into the church bag, or praying to the lord to kill all muslims and arabs.

So let me talk a little about heaven. Heaven is not were they play harps and walk around on clouds all day. 'Heaven' is...well imagine in your mind what you think heaven might be. Now, multiply that by a thousand. When you have mastered the integrity thing and learned to live your life without envy, hate or greed, thats where you get to go.

i personally don't care what Jesus does, he is his own person as am i.

Jesus was a parable, a story. It was a story to jump-start the 'integrity' and living 'without envy, hate or greed'. Kind of like an infommercial but in book form that will fit in the motel room bedside table.

what is the point of me coming back if i can't aspire to be something better than i am.

Actually you are going to come back whether or not you aspire to be something better than you are or not. But if you are questioning the need for integrity and living without envy, hate or greed even if there is no prize then you might have to do a few extra tours down here. I don't know that for sure. :)

you seem to believe in the mechanics of reincarnation but it sounds like you're missing the point of it? surely life isn't like an American car race where you just around and around in circles for no reason?

No, I get the point. Its just I know myself and that as hard as I try I will have to do a few more turnarounds. No problem. I'll be interested to know if they ever got a building built on ground zero by 911 2101. Or if there ever was a 'disclosure'. :)

[milk and honey]

"Ascension" has been very badly defined by "Ra" and others who believe in a "mass ascension" of the planet and it's people (who qualify) around 2012. And the qualifications for ascension have likewise been very badly defined by "Ra" and other astral entities who feign enlightenment and give unrealistic prescriptions for ascension.

Consequently, John Lear and others are probably only dismissing a straw man when naysaying the concept of 'ascension'. Some souls truly have overcome "greed, envy, and hate" and all the other negative aspects of the psyche like fear, pride, idolatry, dishonesty, anger, arrogance, conciet, deceit, selfishness, self pity, resentment, revenge, etc.

They have raised the vibration of the soul (resurrected those negative aspects of the psyche) and have already ascended into unity with the I AM (the higher- Self) in spiritual planes. In that wholeness of spiritual identity, some choose to descend into the subtle material planes where they remain active in our service. (We can attune to that inspiration if we can calm the mind and lead honest lives.)

Other Adepts who have likewise transformed their consciousness have remained in the physical plane where, incognito to most, they maintain a physical presence and inspire us in mostly unseen ways also.

Souls have been ascending from planet Earth for ages. It is not a brand new phenomenon and if we fulfill the same requirements we can ascend too. But it surely wont be all together in 2012 or en masse at any other time. So relax about that and live your love with discernment over the decades ahead.

Souls who originally descended from the higher- Self (into matter) can ascend back to the higher- Self (in spirit) each in his / her own time. John is calling this path 'maturity' and so it is. It's the unfoldment of a Self- identity that already Is because it Is our origin in higher octaves.

The ascension of the soul is possible because we are in fact NOT the creation of aliens visiting the earth in 'UFOs'. We are spiritual beings, a portion of whom is incarnate in the flesh on this Earth. Granted, the physical bodies of our race have likely been genetically tampered with ages ago (and even now) but we are not defined by our form and can transcend it even while incarnate in it. Our physical bodies are still adequate to the task -- with our present DNA -- of serving as the material platform for self transformation and ascension. One by one.

ps... just noticed John's post after writing this.

[towhom]

Fantasies are possibilities waiting to happen.

Now, with that bit of philosophical rhetoric expressed (or excreted, depending upon one's general outlook on life...) -

There's not really a whole hell of a lot that one individual can do to combat all of the military weaponry, governmental machinations, political farces, corporate policies, unethical protocols, etc. Frankly, it's a collective group of superstructures set in place to overwhelm and intimidate a "mere mortal" by other "mere mortals" bent on control. Whatever...

Given that, it is far more productive and personally beneficial to concentrate on living with integrity without greed, hate or envy.

Peace and Joy
Always

Sally Anne

[Magii]

Greetings Mr Lear -

Most likely you have answered the following question a dozen times in a forum somewhere on the net !! But I have to ask here :)


What do you think of the Montauk Story by the following people ( Preston Nichols, Duncan Cameron, Peter Moon ) on this google video ?
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=3858438921701790194&amp;q=sourc e:003253271808013541600&amp;hl=en&hl=en



Also from your interview on Projectcamelot -- I went to ATS and starting going thru the Sleeper thread --
I wasnt able to read the blog -- looks like that was been deleted / taken down --

Question regarding Sleeper -
Are you in touch with this person ?
And any chance you can get em onto this forum?!

Kind regards

[johnlear]

Greetings Mr Lear -

Most likely you have answered the following question a dozen times in a forum somewhere on the net !! But I have to ask here :)


What do you think of the Montauk Story by the following people ( Preston Nichols, Duncan Cameron, Peter Moon ) on this google video ?
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=3858438921701790194&amp;q=sourc e:003253271808013541600&amp;hl=en&hl=en


Preston Nichols always seemed sincere to me. There was obviously a story there.


Also from your interview on Projectcamelot -- I went to ATS and starting going thru the Sleeper thread --
I wasnt able to read the blog -- looks like that was been deleted / taken down --

http://youfo.blogspot.com/2008/06/in-league-with-ufo-by-lou-baldin-in.html

http://www.lulu.com/content/2655205




Question regarding Sleeper -
Are you in touch with this person ?

Yes

And any chance you can get em onto this forum?!

No, he's really busy but you can join us at:

http://sleeperlou.proboards55.com/

[johnlear]

Very interesting...

The other looks like it comes from Egypt. While they are similar, they cannot be one and the same.

there you go...pics removed


Thanks.

Other than the above text what was the point of posting the photos?

Did I miss something?

[Bigfatfurrytexan]

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45jack_files/04images/Bases/National_002.jpg

That is the first time i have seen that image. Very, very interesting, indeed.

[Matt]

That is the first time i have seen that image. Very, very interesting, indeed.

EeeYup. Very telling indeed...

[Ampgod]

Bill ,mentioned Mr.Deacon Mentioned Mr. Lear got the 911 planes wrong.
I just wanted to add that I, personally, slowed all the footage I could find down. I then took snapshots of right before impact on both towers.
This is what I saw plain as day...


1. one guided missile with military plane holographic or just holograph
2. one guided missile using plane holographics or just holograph


Mr. Lear was right as far as holographic usage.
I must say. :)



Ampgod

[King Lear]

Bill ,mentioned Mr.Deacon Mentioned Mr. Lear got the 911 planes wrong.
I just wanted to add that I, personally, slowed all the footage I could find down. I then took snapshots of right before impact on both towers.
This is what I saw plain as day...


1. one guided missile with military plane holographic.

2. one guided missile using plane holographics

If there was any real plane then there was only one!
The other was no plane. It was a missile.

Mr. Lear was right as far as holographic usage.
I must say. :)



Ampgod

Could you please post the snapshots, or links to them, here?:original:
I'm curious to see them.
Thanks.

[JoinTheFun]

@JL

So you're effectively saying that the Nazis have won, when there are 8 military space stations, one of which was used to pulverize the WTC buildings.
There must be a lot of personnel involved in perpetrating (these) heinous acts. Why have none spoken out, bothered by their conscience ? Or have they been groomed and indoctrinated, believing that it's all for the greater good : unifying the planet, saving the human race, saving the planet, at all costs ?
Are compartmentalization, need to know and blindly following orders instead of conscience important factors in this ?
How's that military related to the 'regular' one ? Does it have its own command structure ? Who are in command ?
How far is their technology as biotech(clones fe), robots, androids, quantum computing are concerned ? Are the Borg far beside the truth ? Are personnel monitored, coerced by implants ? Are most still human as we know humans, at all ?
What about the scientists involved, aren't they deeply ashamed by now ? They must have understood by now that there's divinity, spirit underlying this and every other reality, if they're that far ahead.
Is there discontent or even the possibility of revolt among the ranks ?
Do you know of descendants of a previous earth civilization that are involved ?
How do ETs fit into this as regards involvement or influence, for the better maybe ?

Okay, a lot of questions, hope you can provide some more pieces of the puzzle.

Now it's back to personal life, as far as that's not affected by all that lunacy.
But it is, of course.

[Ampgod]

Here are some live video snapshots of 911 as requested.
1. shows missile
2. shows same missile with holographic wing before impact.
3. shows dark grey military style plane with guiding light on building. This plane also showed signs of holographic trickery just a few seconds before the impact by changing the wing angles of the plane very quickly from tipping left to just opposite... tipping right.
4. shows same plane with mounted missile (or guiding system) on center of under belly.

I say both were guided missiles with holographic enhancements.
Or just holographic altogether combined with pre- planted explosives in towers etc.
I'm leaning logically toward all holographic.

[King Lear]

Here are some live video snapshots of 911 as requested.
1. shows missile
2. shows same missile with holographic wing before impact.
3. shows dark grey military style plane with guiding light on building. This plane also showed signs of holographic trickery just a few seconds before the impact by changing the wing angles of the plane very quickly from tipping left to just opposite... tipping right.
4. shows same plane with mounted missile (or guiding system) on center of under belly.

I say both were guided missiles with holographic enhancements.
Or just holographic altogether combined with pre- planted explosives in towers etc.
I'm leaning logically toward all holographic.



1-3 are very mysterious. 1st - no wings, 2nd - only one wing, very strange. But the 3rd is well known as the "pre-impact explosion" image.
But in the 4th image, the mounted missile could also been explained as a not retracted landing gear. Who knows which buttons they (the amateur Arab pilots) had pressed.



Could it not be that "someone" filled the tanks of the planes, or any other parts in the plane, with Thyrmite and then have let the Arabs make the job.
Conventional Thyrmite is a superfine powder.
That would explain why all 4 planes got totally incinerated.

I saw Dr. Stephen Jones making some experiments with Thyrmite on steel and aluminum. The only thing that remains are tiny steel/aluminum pellets.
And he also showed how the reaction is if steel meets aluminum with a great velocity - ignition. He said that this reaction would not last to ignite the kerosine.

But perhaps the Thyrmite which now, during the plane was penetrating the building, had direct contact to the steel structure.

[Ampgod]

I don't believe there were any arabs involved.

I really found the point of impact very strange. Almost like the nose of whatever they were never really touched the building ever.
They just disappeared into it ... like a hologram would.



Ampgod

[johnlear]

@JL

So you're effectively saying that the Nazis have won, when there are 8 military space stations, one of which was used to pulverize the WTC buildings.
There must be a lot of personnel involved in perpetrating (these) heinous acts. Why have none spoken out, bothered by their conscience ?

Same reason the Apollo astronauts haven't spoken out about the moon landing fraud.

Or have they been groomed and indoctrinated, believing that it's all for the greater good : unifying the planet, saving the human race, saving the planet, at all costs ?

Nobody is going to save anybody else except you saving yourself.

Are compartmentalization, need to know and blindly following orders instead of conscience important factors in this ?

Let me guess; you never had a security clearance?

How's that military related to the 'regular' one ? Does it have its own command structure ? Who are in command ?

Its all one and the same.

How far is their technology as biotech(clones fe), robots, androids, quantum computing are concerned?

Further than you could imagine.

Are the Borg far beside the truth ?

I don't understand what you mean?

Are personnel monitored, coerced by implants ?

Some are.

Are most still human as we know humans, at all ?

Yes.

What about the scientists involved, aren't they deeply ashamed by now ?

Not as much ashamed as really ****** off at the oppressive working conditions and secrecy. Most are completely cut off from family by the security measures. So they compensate by concentrating on their work.

They must have understood by now that there's divinity, spirit underlying this and every other reality, if they're that far ahead.

What is divinity, spirit?

Is there discontent or even the possibility of revolt among the ranks ?

There is much discontent. Revolt is unlikely.

Do you know of descendants of a previous earth civilization that are involved ?

We are all descendents of a previous earth civilization.

How do ETs fit into this as regards involvement or influence, for the better maybe ?

Some good, some bad, some medium rare.

[quote]Okay, a lot of questions, hope you can provide some more pieces of the puzzle.

For each piece of the puzzle you find there magically appears 10 more pieces.

For each question answered there are ten more questions.

[JoinTheFun]

...
Borg...?
Startrek's the Borg, although basically having physical bodies, but where parts have been added or replaced by technology and communication is built in, no individual volition.

But your answer was most are human as we know humans, so my question is, are there beings similar to Borg, where biology has been married to technology in a godless way ?

[johnlear]

?
Startrek's the Borg, although basically having physical bodies, but where parts have been added or replaced by technology and communication is built in, no individual volition.

But your answer was most are human as we know humans, so my question is, are there beings similar to Borg, where biology has been married to technology in a godless way ?

No. We are souls looking and waiting to mature. Our bodies are just temporary containers. The soul is anchored to the body by the blood. When you die your soul goes to a new born baby and you continue your quest to live with integrity; and to live without envy, hate or greed.

[arcora]

When you die your soul goes to a new born baby and you continue your quest to live with integrity; and to live without envy, hate or greed.

As the population increases, where do the new souls come from?

[CONDE]

To have Captain Lear here, answering ALL your questions with such
amazing clarity is the closest I have been to GOD.

I feel GOD is speaking trhu Captain John Lear, the next questions you
ask, should be bearing that concept IN MIND & SPIRIT !.

I also feel GOD is getting bored and that could be the worst mistake
we can ALL make at tis moment.

That also came from somewhere,not me.

I LOVE YOU ALL !

Frank Conde
www.deathisnormal.com

[CONDE]

1-3 are very mysterious. 1st - no wings, 2nd - only one wing, very strange. But the 3rd is well known as the "pre-impact explosion" image.
But in the 4th image, the mounted missile could also been explained as a not retracted landing gear. Who knows which buttons they (the amateur arab pilots) had pressed.



Could it not be that "someone" filled the tanks of the planes, or any other parts in the plane, with thyrmite and then have let the arabs make the job.
Conventional thyrmite is a superfine powder.
That would explain why all 4 planes got totally incinerated.

I saw dr. Stephen jones making some experiments with thyrmite on steel and aluminum. The only thing that remains are tiny steel/aluminum pellets.
And he also showed how the reaction is if steel meets aluminum with a great velocity - ignition. He said that this reaction would not last to ignite the kerosine.

But perhaps the thyrmite which now, during the plane was penetrating the building, had direct contact to the steel structure.

you can not be real !!!!! You sir, either have a not so clever agenda or are a complete horses **** !

[King Lear]

you can not be real !!!!! You sir, either have a not so clever agenda or are a complete horses **** !

Again I get badly insulted!

Thank you Sir Frank Conde for your kindness.



I don't understand why.
I just uttered a thought.

Another plausible explenation.




I like the idea of holograms, but before I consider that, I just try to find an easier explenation for it.
That is no reason to insult me that heavy.


But don't forget to state "THINK LOVE, THINK PEACE," under your posts, Sir Frank Conde, even if you always insult people! ;)

[johnlear]

As the population increases, where do the new souls come from?


The Great Soul Making Machine In Outer Space. Where else? :)

[fred80]

Hi John!
Like so many, I'm a big fan of you! I've read and heard you talking extensively on a number of subjects. However, you have not elaborated so much on what kind of life you believe exist on the other planets - except Mars I think. Could you tell us some more, and how you know or why you believe this to be true??

Best regards
Fred, Norway

[johnlear]

Hi John!
Like so many, I'm a big fan of you! I've read and heard you talking extensively on a number of subjects. However, you have not elaborated so much on what kind of life you believe exist on the other planets - except Mars I think. Could you tell us some more, and how you know or why you believe this to be true??

Best regards
Fred, Norway


There is life similar to ours on all planets and most of their moons and many, many space station/cities in the solar system. Many types look like humans many do not. So much is going on in our solar system, so much commerce, so much travel, so many activities by so many different types.

We are being fed downright unadulterated bs about all of our planets. The pictures you see of all planets are false. The pictures you are being fed and told are from Mars are from here on earth as were the photos from Pathfinder in 1997 which were taken in Death Valley.

The only gas giants in our solar system are NASA and its illegitimate son Jim Oberg, Chief Disinformation Officer (ret.)

[milk and honey]

What about inner space John?

If there are hyperdimensional beings that can enter and exit the gross material plane then why can't the soul enter more subtle dimensions for further experience after 'death'? Or even before?

If those beings can travel through extra- physical dimensions in their subtle bodies why can't we? The subtle bodies are containers too. eg, the astral and etheric bodies. Do the subtle bodies die with the physical body? No.

Could they contain the soul in higher dimensions for higher experience in a similar way as the physical body does for physical experience? Of course they can. Some incarnate souls can leave the body before death and travel through the higher planes as easily as diving into a pool of water.

I like to think of the soul as a being which is contained in matter yet is a connected portion of the spiritual-Self in spirit. "As above so below". When you speak of such a limited process of reincarnation maybe you are referring to soulless incarnate entities who's only option at physical death is immediate transmigration into a new body? I Can't speak for you so i don't know your view on whether soulless automatons exist. John?

In the body, the light energy of the soul is most concentrated in the blood, true. But there is far more to the soul than what is contained in the blood. That's like saying the sun is contained in the Earth merely because the sun's light rays reach the earth and are contained in plants and animals through photo-synthesis and plant consumption. This is a fair analogy too because physical beings consume plants and flesh and blood for the simple reason that we must be physically sustained by energy from these secondary sources. The energy locked within these sources is taken for sustenance by physical beings who have not perfected the soul so as to draw sustenance directly from the spirit within -- the sun center of our spiritual- Self -- which is the source of all energy and form.

Does anyone still wonder why the dark ones find us so attractive? They're cut off from the source and need a continual fix from those who are still connected to source, however tenuously.

John... "What is divinity and spirit"? You asked that question like you consider them phantoms.

As far as words can tell...

Divinity is the spiritual- Self of each person whose origin is on the spiritual plane beyond the physical. A portion of the spiritual- Self --the soul -- is connected to that Self (by the crystal chord) yet has plunged into a lower body in which it is now 'contained'. Spirit is the shore, the body is the boat and the soul is the captain. The weather is all energy ever drawn from inner spirit by the incarnate soul and which is now returning to it in the same quality and measure with which it was ever expressed. One day calm and sunny, another a hurricane.

Spirit is the origin of every manifest form including our gross physical body and subtle soul. It is the essence of every thing. Spirit is a very high frequency intelligent energy which originates in the spiritual- Self and because the soul is deeply connected to it, it is accessible even at the 3d level right within our own hearts. It's called love, yet love is not behavior and sweet words per se. Anyone can pretend those. It is an energy which can descend from the divine- Self into the soul and infuse our outer words and behavior. Spiritual energy enters 3d through the doors of the chakras. Without the flow of love from the inner source, there can be no positive personal change because there is no positive energy to achieve it. Only the spiritual energy within us can dissolve hate, greed, envy and deceit.

When we access this inner light it can literally shine like the sun and dissolve all the corruptions of our own psyche as it moves through the emotional depths of our own being. The "divine motor" can fill the soul (and yes the blood) with more light energy and motivate loving service to others. It is the elixer of eternal life. It catalyses self-transformation and growth (soul maturity) because it raises the vibration of all that it contacts. Starting with ourselves.

That's why talking to spirit and giving mantras and songs can be uplifting. It primes the inner pump at the source of all life.

[fred80]

There is life similar to ours on all planets and most of their moons and many, many space station/cities in the solar system. Many types look like humans many do not. So much is going on in our solar system, so much commerce, so much travel, so many activities by so many different types.

We are being fed downright unadulterated bs about all of our planets. The pictures you see of all planets are false. The pictures you are being fed and told are from Mars are from here on earth as were the photos from Pathfinder in 1997 which were taken in Death Valley.

The only gas giants in our solar system are NASA and its illegitimate son Jim Oberg, Chief Disinformation Officer (ret.)

Thanks John for your input.
Interesting .. I remember sitting up and waiting to four o'clock in the morning, before the images from Pathfinder finally were shown on BBC live. Now you tell me they where from Death Valley.. I feel cheated!!

Life on Pluto - hard to swallow, but I guess you never know the way NASA 's farting dissinformation..

Fred

[johnlear]

Thanks John for your input.
Interesting .. I remember sitting up and waiting to four o'clock in the morning, before the images from Pathfinder finally were shown on BBC live. Now you tell me they where from Death Valley.. I feel cheated!!

Life on Pluto - hard to swallow, but I guess you never know the way NASA 's farting dissinformation..

Fred


See, what NASA doesn't tell you is that the Sun is an electromagnetic sphere. Its not a nuclear reactor or nuclear generator or anything nuclear. It does not radiate heat as such. Its not true that the farther the planets are away from the sun the colder they or or that the nearer the warmer. Thats bs. All planets have an atmosphere that filters the radiation of the electromagnetism and creates the proper temperature usually around 72 degrees F. Some are higher some are lower but here is no melting lead on Mercury or freezing polar bears on Pluto. :)

[Bigfatfurrytexan]

That is a fair assessment, John. :)

Look at Mercury for an example of this. There is ice in the polar regions, in the bottom of craters. One would expect Mercury to be thermodynamic enough that, given its relative distance from the Sun, it would have boiled off all traces of water/ice LOOOOONG ago.

Many people say "Well, it just evaporates and reforms when the crater is in shadow". Ok...where does the water come from? Once it melts, one would expect it to sublimate into space, never for Mercury to see it again. Yet, it hasn't. :)

I also wonder if EM must be present for gravity? In other words, if Planet X wasn't a bunch of crap (or Nibiru), could it languish in relative obscurity until it became close enough to our Sun for it to gain enough gravity to effect other system bodies?

[zorgon]

?
Startrek's the Borg, although basically having physical bodies, but where parts have been added or replaced by technology and communication is built in, no individual volition.

But your answer was most are human as we know humans, so my question is, are there beings similar to Borg, where biology has been married to technology in a godless way ?


Oh goody an opening for the latest paid by YOUR tax dollar DARPA project announcement... (they say "timing is everything" :bleh: )

THE BORG

Brain Machine Interface: BMI (Cyborg Soldiers)

BMI is brought to us by The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) the central research and development organization for the Department of Defense (DoD). According to DARPA it manages and directs selected basic and applied research and development projects for the DoD, and pursues research and technology where risk and payoff are both very high and where success may provide dramatic advances for traditional military roles and missions.

High on DARPA’s wish list: mind-controlled battle robots, airplanes flown by mere thought, and cyborg soldiers.

BMI Robotic ArmScientists have already learned to steer a rat around a room by remote control. A rat with an electrode implanted in it’s brain! A monkey has been made to control a robotic arm. DARPA tells Duke researchers, “if a monkey can control a robotic arm with his brain, then we want soldiers to control machines of war with their thoughts.” Will they use mind control on us next?

CYBORG SOLDIERS (http://www.staticbrain.com/archive/brain-machine-interface-bmi-cyborg-soldiers/)

Brain Machine Interface - Harvesting Biology for Defense Technology (DSO) PDF File (http://www.hyper-evolution.com/brain%20darpa3.pdf)

Brain Machine Interface - Defense Sciences Office (DSO)
Dr. Eric Eisenstadt
PDF File (http://www.darpa.mil/darpatech2002/presentations/dso_pdf/speeches/EISENSTADT.pdf)


DARPA Bioengineering Program Seeks to Turn Soldiers Into Cyborgs
Frankensteins in the Pentagon (http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4572.htm)

DARPA To Support Development Of Human Brain-Machine Interfaces
Science Daily (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/08/020820071329.htm)

Do I see any hands for the volunteer program? :lmao:

[zorgon]

I remember sitting up and waiting to four o'clock in the morning, before the images from Pathfinder finally were shown on BBC live. Now you tell me they where from Death Valley.. I feel cheated!!


Oh yes... and we have the proof ya know... from NASA itself...

Pathfinder was the Lander... Sojourner was the Rover

Here it is snooping around in Death Valley... :lmao:

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars4/Color/Lander_01.jpg

And that's not all...

Surveyor sitting on a Beach in California... sand is kinda reddish...

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon9/Surveyor_1/Surveyor_1_001.jpg

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Moon9/Surveyor_0/surveyca.jpg

And here is Carl Sagan posing with the Viking Lander also taken in Death Valley...

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars5/Viking_1/sagan_high.jpg


And here is a lesson in ..

How to Fake a Martian Scene

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Mars5/Viking_1/90017162.JPG

In case your wondering where they parked the...

Lunar Excursion Module (LEM)

I spotted it under a tree...

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Moon_Hoax/LEM_Earth_04.jpg


You can see it on Google Earth +39 57' 27.87", -75 10' 24.54"

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Moon_Hoax/LEM_Earth_02.png


Also spotted THIS one... no idea who it belongs to though :yikes:

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Earth/Google_Oddities/UFO/UFO_001.png

[zorgon]

I also wonder if EM must be present for gravity? In other words, if Planet X wasn't a bunch of crap (or Nibiru), could it languish in relative obscurity until it became close enough to our Sun for it to gain enough gravity to effect other system bodies?

Oh YOU WOULD toss something like that into the mix :mad3:

Now we will HAVE to do the gravity thread

[King Lear]

In case your wondering where they parked the...

Lunar Excursion Module (LEM)

I spotted it under a tree...

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Moon_Hoax/LEM_Earth_04.jpg


You can see it on Google Earth +39 57' 27.87", -75 10' 24.54"

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/47john_lear/04images/Moon_Hoax/LEM_Earth_02.png


Also spotted THIS one... no idea who it belongs to though :yikes:

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Earth/Google_Oddities/UFO/UFO_001.png


Really crazy that they parked the LEM in the middle of Philadelphia, right on the lawn. One would think that such important thing would be parked in a hangar or something similar. Just to conservate it, not exactely to hide it.

What about the last image? Where exactely can we find it? Coordinates?
Thanks:original:

[zorgon]

No way Thats a Secret :bleh:

But I will give you the one parked on the runway...

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Earth/Google_Oddities/UFO/Saucer_01.png

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/04images/Earth/Google_Oddities/UFO/Saucer_03.png

:sleep_1::sleep_1::sleep_1:

[peacelovinman]

Hi, All:

Henry Deacon sent us a stream of 32 e-mails while watching our recent 4-part John Lear video in real time.

He remarked it was "80% accurate" and that "John's guesswork was good".

One part he states John got wrong was the holographic explanation for the WTC planes. Henry asserts these were real aircraft, remotely controlled from thousands of miles away, a fact he was told in briefings and which was consistent with his own hands-on experience. I have talked personally with Henry about this and I am convinced he is correct. The planes were real.

There WAS video trickery and fakery on 9/11 news reports, however - which has caused a lot of consfusion among well-intentioned anlalysts.

(For more on Henry Deacon's testimony on 9/11, click here (http://projectcamelot.org/livermore_physicist_3.html#911))

Henry also said that John was incorrect about there being a breathable atmosphere on the moon: there is one, of sorts, but it's extremely thin.

We interviewed John because he does have some excellent information, has been very unfairly treated elsewhere, thinks right out of the box (which we always enjoy) and has done a huge amount to spread awareness and information dating right back to the late 80s, when he was highly influential.

His Bob Lazar stories, recounted in detail to Camelot with piles of original documentation (not all of which we were able to record on camera) are both highly entertaining and very important.

We've invited him here, and hope that we'll see him posting in due course. ('King Lear' is not him!)

To be honest, Bill, I can easier believe Lear who I can see is a real person, than Deacon who kind of hangs about in the shadows. I understand why HD may have to stay incognito but do you trust his word over Lears's, or are you keeping an open mind?