Best preperation: Get out of "survivor mode"

[Sanat]

There is no better preperation than that. Survivor mode is based on fear. Fear about what "might happen", and fear about "the future". This fear will block your inner peace and clarity. It will block your ability to relax and actually percieve "what is going on". Security does not come from having a bunker under your house etc. It comes from trust. Trust that you are were you are supposed to be and that you and all your loved ones will die when their time is up. No sooner and no later. You cannot escape death when your time is up no matter what. Existance knows what it's doing:original: In fact, it is the only one who really knows...the rest of us must learn to trust it and enjoy the ride!:trumpet:

The name of the game is not "survival" as Socrates mentions in his famous Apology. It is doing what FEELS right and avoid doing what FEELS wrong. If you do not feel a strong inner urge to relocate you can trust that you are were you are supposed to be. Trust in Existance and not in all sorts of "outside sources" and "dire predictions".

[Carrie Todd]

I think you make some really good points. Ultimately, you're right. Just because you prepare for a disaster doesn't necessarily mean that you'll avert one. On the other hand, I also don't intend to be a sitting duck either. I think information is important and that people need to make educated decisions based on what's right for them and their's. I know that'll I'll have more inner peace, regardless of the outcome, if I know I've done evertything in my power to protect my family. That said, the spirit is eternal and this is but one stopping place in our infinite existences.

[Jenny]

This is a point I was going to make here.
You beat me to it.

Thanks!:thumb_yello:

I want to make just one more remark;

Feeling is a very very underdeveloped faculty in human beings.
Thinking is very very OVERdeveloped in human beings.

This imbalance causes all this fear.

Developing the ability to feel really well is what this shift is all about.
Developing the heart.

Breath and stay with the emotion of fear untill it vaporizes into thin air. What you find beneath the fear and the enotion is what is really in your heart.
THen you will know what to do.

Doing , going into the modus of action and doing before you find what is in your heart is fear based and it will get you nowhere.

Zjenny

[Carrie Todd]

That, too, is a good point. Often, being in survivor mode is what causes people to go into an "every man for himself" mentality. I think that is part of what this forum is trying to avoid.

[clayman]

THANK YOU! Somebody that's figured it out :) I salute you sir! =)

[DVP14]

I agree I agree!!! Sanat! Excellent point

[Sanat]

This is a point I was going to make here.
You beat me to it.

Thanks!:thumb_yello:

I want to make just one more remark;

Feeling is a very very underdeveloped faculty in human beings.
Thinking is very very OVERdeveloped in human beings.

This imbalance causes all this fear.

Developing the ability to feel really well is what this shift is all about.
Developing the heart.

Breath and stay with the emotion of fear untill it vaporizes into thin air. What you find beneath the fear and the enotion is what is really in your heart.
THen you will know what to do.

Doing , going into the modus of action and doing before you find what is in your heart is fear based and it will get you nowhere.

Zjenny

Yes, that one deserves to be repeated!:original: Have things in the right order and all is OK. You really don't want to be stuck in your bunker like some lost japanese soldier from WWII while the rest of the world is celebrating with our ET brothers and sisters. Hehe!:naughty:

[Jenny]

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[Oneness]

Your words couldn't have rang any clearer Sanat.


Namaste

[atom.Man]

There is no better preperation than that. Survivor mode is based on fear...

that's a blanket statement. Many are in some level of survival mode because they choose to be prepared, not because they fear the future. I look forward to it regardless of what it may hold because it's an adventure, a challenge.

Security does not come from having a bunker under your house etc. It comes from trust. Trust that you are were you are supposed to be ...

sounds like something Rice or Chertoff might say -- advice which i'd rather not subscribe to. Change doesn't come by doing nothing.

if someone is going to hit me in the head with a hammer, i'll take evasive action and not get hit rather than accepting my "destiny" and bleed.

[BJ ∞ Trust Yourself]

Namaste All~

Sanat,
THANK YOU! YES YES YES!

Everyone has a great energy to share! Listen to the deeper message in each one. I Enjoy them quite immensely actually! lol

"Trust Yourself"

We must trust ourselves first and FOREMOST!



Thank you atom.Man for the reminder that we ALL have choice in this and that no one's is ANY BETTER than any other. Yes, you have your unique and precious adventure you wish for. We all have one of our own. We all are in this adventure together anyway. Keep that in Mind if you would enjoy, because we are One freakin' awesome, beautiful, compassionate, loving species and wrapped in Consciousness. And there is an actual science to it all now to prove to our Egos, there exists in measurement, IN FACT an Ego-Mind vibration and Higher-Mind vibration (www.ctpenergy.com and many others giving different viewpoints to the same game). There is much more to the bigger picture and its nothing BUT EXCITING!

Looking at conspiracy stuff accelerates the energy in me about the future picture we have ready to go NOW for all humanity. Compassion will help ease the changes required to accept the New Human.

Is this not the most exciting times of our lives??? :tongue2::biggrin2::thumb_yello:

~~~ALL INCLUSIVE ~my new moto~ ALL INCLUSIVE~~~

[zorgon]

You really don't want to be stuck in your bunker like some lost japanese soldier from WWII while the rest of the world is celebrating with our ET brothers and sisters. Hehe!

Well I will take my bunker any day against being invited 'to dinner' by some aliens that are eying you as main course:lmao:

[Seva]

that's a blanket statement. Many are in some level of survival mode because they choose to be prepared, not because they fear the future. I look forward to it regardless of what it may hold because it's an adventure, a challenge.



sounds like something Rice or Chertoff might say -- advice which i'd rather not subscribe to. Change doesn't come by doing nothing.

if someone is going to hit me in the head with a hammer, i'll take evasive action and not get hit rather than accepting my "destiny" and bleed.



:trumpet: I agree with you totaly atom.man, i think some are confusing a calm preparation, which is logical with the mad max - "lord of the flies" senario some who are labled "survalists" speak of. which they usualy sound like they are looking forward to that level of chaos with a element of glee. So that has giiven many a impression when those things are mentioned, is relation to real changes that need to be adapted to.

to break it down.

Definitions of survival: as per online dictionaries

1. a state of surviving; remaining alive
2. a natural process resulting in the evolution of organisms best adapted to the environment
3. something that survives

now this is not a problem when one remains in "harmony"

Please consider this when the squirel, is aware that winter is comming, and stores nuts in a tree. Is that fear or instinctual intelligence and harmony with nature (the current enviornment).

If you see a train comming at you down the tracks slowly do you continue to stand on them? If you turn your back to the train and think if i dont look at it its not there, i dont think that will alwasys work. You calmly step off the track. This is also the process of remaining alive, "survival".

If it is not in hysterical panic then planning for survival is a aspect of intelligence. Dont you think. We all know earth is changing and we must change. Simple clear reality, fact is fact. How you chose to "lable" this either with direct fear or the indirect fear of denial or purposeful lack of action.

I go shopping at the store weekly to get food, becasue if i dont what will i eat? Is the act of me going to the market survivalism? I am in action ofr my survival, i am a thing that survives due to this action.

Yes.. I do these things to remain alive, since food with not just apear on my table. POOF magic, we do not hate that level of manifestation YET :wink2: I must apply action and forsight. Calmly and in harmony. AND I survive.

We all need to realize, what is going on, not to freak out, but to realize things will change, all is flux, its the nature of things. For the organisms our souls are inhabilting it this time to be HERE, NOW. We need to care for the organism, our spirits are in. Otherwise i think we would have chose a easier way lol And yes it is a adventure aswell. We know this, and it is why we here here now. To resonate this frequency at this moment if nothing else.

a lyric comes to mind

It's coming down, it's coming down, it's coming down
These clouds could never hope to save us
From such a juggernaut of weight

The sky is falling
And no one will lift their eyes to see
The sky is falling
And no one will care as long as it lands overseas

I want to be strong enough,
To not let my fears decide my fate
Surrounded by jingoists;
I don't want any part of this

I want to be strong enough,
To not let my terror turn to hate
Surrounded by jingoists;
I don't want any part of this

Energy is energy, its how we lable and deal with it, ignoring it wont make it go away. I see it as this, yes change will come and yes i know to rebuild a thing what stands there must fall, and i do cringes from thoughts of a chaos period, but i hold my thoughts on the rebirth. I am here for love. Love suffers all things LOL

So what is there to make this easy, to make it smooth? How can we make the pieces of what we have to give and share fit togther? Combign the light we shine?

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

that's a blanket statement. Many are in some level of survival mode because they choose to be prepared, not because they fear the future. I look forward to it regardless of what it may hold because it's an adventure, a challenge.



sounds like something Rice or Chertoff might say -- advice which i'd rather not subscribe to. Change doesn't come by doing nothing.

if someone is going to hit me in the head with a hammer, i'll take evasive action and not get hit rather than accepting my "destiny" and bleed.
correct!! im moving into survivor mode now, my definition of this is to get myself prepared for what i think is on the way. when i have done this i will try to help others who want or ask for help as best i can. i have no fear:trumpet:. being a sitting duck is not my idea of how to go about it. universal freewill prevails people will do what they feel is right. most peoples version of survival mode is everyman for himself, that is those still trapped in the matrix watching tv shows and eating poisoned food and jogging outside in the thick smog of chemtrails.

i am well off the grid and i plan to not join it. the spiritual aspect is indeed the strong part of all this. im not going to be hurded into government citys and i wont be chipped ect. otheres who are jsut gonna sit and pray thats up to them.:thumb_yello: good luck

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

:trumpet: I agree with you totaly atom.man, i think some are confusing a calm preparation, which is logical with the mad max - "lord of the flies" senario some who are labled "survalists" speak of. which they usualy sound like they are looking forward to that level of chaos with a element of glee. So that has giiven many a impression when those things are mentioned, is relation to real changes that need to be adapted to.

to break it down.

Definitions of survival: as per online dictionaries

1. a state of surviving; remaining alive
2. a natural process resulting in the evolution of organisms best adapted to the environment
3. something that survives

now this is not a problem when one remains in "harmony"

Please consider this when the squirel, is aware that winter is comming, and stores nuts in a tree. Is that fear or instinctual intelligence and harmony with nature (the current enviornment).

If you see a train comming at you down the tracks slowly do you continue to stand on them? If you turn your back to the train and think if i dont look at it its not there, i dont think that will alwasys work. You calmly step off the track. This is also the process of remaining alive, "survival".

If it is not in hysterical panic then planning for survival is a aspect of intelligence. Dont you think. We all know earth is changing and we must change. Simple clear reality, fact is fact. How you chose to "lable" this either with direct fear or the indirect fear of denial or purposeful lack of action.

I go shopping at the store weekly to get food, becasue if i dont what will i eat? Is the act of me going to the market survivalism? I am in action ofr my survival, i am a thing that survives due to this action.

Yes.. I do these things to remain alive, since food with not just apear on my table. POOF magic, we do not hate that level of manifestation YET :wink2: I must apply action and forsight. Calmly and in harmony. AND I survive.

We all need to realize, what is going on, not to freak out, but to realize things will change, all is flux, its the nature of things. For the organisms our souls are inhabilting it this time to be HERE, NOW. We need to care for the organism, our spirits are in. Otherwise i think we would have chose a easier way lol And yes it is a adventure aswell. We know this, and it is why we here here now. To resonate this frequency at this moment if nothing else.

a lyric comes to mind

It's coming down, it's coming down, it's coming down
These clouds could never hope to save us
From such a juggernaut of weight

The sky is falling
And no one will lift their eyes to see
The sky is falling
And no one will care as long as it lands overseas

I want to be strong enough,
To not let my fears decide my fate
Surrounded by jingoists;
I don't want any part of this

I want to be strong enough,
To not let my terror turn to hate
Surrounded by jingoists;
I don't want any part of this

Energy is energy, its how we lable and deal with it, ignoring it wont make it go away. I see it as this, yes change will come and yes i know to rebuild a thing what stands there must fall, and i do cringes from thoughts of a chaos period, but i hold my thoughts on the rebirth. I am here for love. Love suffers all things LOL

So what is there to make this easy, to make it smooth? How can we make the pieces of what we have to give and share fit togther? Combign the light we shine?

:thumb_yello: agreed

[Orion11]

Great post Sanat!
soo true.
:)
alot of ppl here could use this post i think.
Thanks
Blessings

[Anchor]

I mostly agree with Sanat's post.

I think there are some common-sense things that everyone can do with will mitigate any urban inconveniences that arise.

I dont see that having a 72hrs emergency kit and some bug-out bags ready is really fear based survivor mode. Nor is having a few extra bottles of drinking water in a cupboard.

Where I think it goes over the top is when people get into stockpiling guns, ammo, masses of long term food etc and are ready to surive a nuclear winter and over a year without food!

Make your preperations: Learn how to purify water, get a fire extinguisher, get some first aid training and supplies - then put it all away and go quietly about your ground crew duties.

A..

PS: I wrote up some of the basics here http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1859

[Seva]

I mostly agree with Sanat's post.

I think there are some common-sense things that everyone can do with will mitigate any urban inconveniences that arise.

I dont see that having a 72hrs emergency kit and some bug-out bags ready is really fear based survivor mode. Nor is having a few extra bottles of drinking water in a cupboard.

Where I think it goes over the top is when people get into stockpiling guns, ammo, masses of long term food etc and are ready to surive a nuclear winter and over a year without food!

Make your preperations: Learn how to purify water, get a fire extinguisher, get some first aid training and supplies - then put it all away and go quietly about your ground crew duties.

A..

PS: I wrote up some of the basics here http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1859


:thumb_yello: Yep so maybe we can all post links of good sources and info we have found?

[BJ ∞ Trust Yourself]

*chants* resources... resources... resources...

[Sanat]

that's a blanket statement. Many are in some level of survival mode because they choose to be prepared, not because they fear the future. I look forward to it regardless of what it may hold because it's an adventure, a challenge.



sounds like something Rice or Chertoff might say -- advice which i'd rather not subscribe to. Change doesn't come by doing nothing.

if someone is going to hit me in the head with a hammer, i'll take evasive action and not get hit rather than accepting my "destiny" and bleed.

If it is not fearbased it is not what I mean by "survivor mode". I myself feel no inner urge to make "survivor" preperations at all. I am more in "celebration mode":trumpet: hehe! The way I see it humanity has transcended the "dire predictions" scenario a while ago. Now things will play out as they must...

However, I am just me in this time/place. I am certainly not saying that if you (meaning anyone) really feel inner urges to prepare etc. that you should not do so. By all means! My main point was/is that fear is the worst enemy, and it can easily take over too much of ones life and blind people to what is really on the horizon. A question to ask oneself:

Would I feel any urge to prepare had I not read all sorts of "dire predictions" on the internet etc.? In other words...are the urges coming from your clarity/heart/source-connection, or from the easily influenced and conditioned ego/mind?

This being said it is always good to be prepared for the worst and hope for the best right?

[Baggywrinkle]

If it is not fearbased it is not what I mean by "survivor mode". I myself feel no inner urge to make "survivor" preperations at all. I am more in "celebration mode":trumpet: hehe! The way I see it humanity has transcended the "dire predictions" scenario a while ago. Now things will play out as they must...

However, I am just me in this time/place. I am certainly not saying that if you (meaning anyone) really feel inner urges to prepare etc. that you should not do so. By all means! My main point was/is that fear is the worst enemy, and it can easily take over too much of ones life and blind people to what is really on the horizon. A question to ask oneself:

Would I feel any urge to prepare had I not read all sorts of "dire predictions" on the internet etc.? In other words...are the urges coming from your clarity/heart/source-connection, or from the easily influenced and conditioned ego/mind?

This being said it is always good to be prepared for the worst and hope for the best right?

Do you childproof your home, wear your seatbelts, or carry insurance of
any kind?

This is provident living.

Keeping a can of kerosene next to your hurricane lanterns and a fifty pound
bag of rice is more of the same.

It isn't about being afraid. When you are prepared what many view as a
disaster can be an adventure. My brother just weathered hurricane Ike. He
took the time and care to tie his boat down like he was serious. It took all
day and lots of webbing not rope. He came out with a one inch
dent in a marina that was devastated. You gotta see it to believe the damage. Is this being a panic merchant?

[Sanat]

Do you childproof your home, wear your seatbelts, or carry insurance of
any kind?

This is provident living.

Keeping a can of kerosene next to your hurricane lanterns and a fifty pound
bag of rice is more of the same.

It isn't about being afraid. When you are prepared what many view as a
disaster can be an adventure. My brother just weathered hurricane Ike. He
took the time and care to tie his boat down like he was serious. It took all
day and lots of webbing not rope. He came out with a one inch
dent in a marina that was devastated. You gotta see it to believe the damage. Is this being a panic merchant?

I have no interest in these kinds of games. Take that business elsewhere. And for the record: No. Being real is not being a panic merhcant. This should be pretty obvious from my post above which you quoted and hopefully read carefully also... In case you did not see it here I quote again: If it is not fearbased it is not what I mean by "survivor mode".

[atom.Man]

...My main point was/is that fear is the worst enemy, and it can easily take over too much of ones life and blind people to what is really on the horizon...
yeah, i agree. At least it can be. I think it can be beneficial too, as long as one doesn't allow it to get out of control. I would also agree with what you seem to be implying; that too many are letting their fear take over. Too many more are doing nothing at all and are either in the process of getting burned, have got burnt, or may soon get burnt.

[Sanat]

yeah, i agree. At least it can be. I think it can be beneficial too, as long as one doesn't allow it to get out of control. I would also agree with what you seem to be implying; that too many are letting their fear take over. Too many more are doing nothing at all and are either in the process of getting burned, have got burnt, or may soon get burnt.

Yea, that is it. You can consider my work here on this forum as a counterbalance to all the fear and doom/gloom stuff that is flying around. I encourage people to at least be open to the possibilty that the worst is in fact over with and that really good things are on the horizon now. This I feel is my mission here because I really do not feel that the "dire predictions" are relevant anymore. I used to feel that they were actually. But as I described in another post something happened some months ago and after that my interest in that kind of scenario shrunk to zero. Here is a thread about others who feel the same and were my post about it can be found:

Anyone else felt a positive shift lately?

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1821

my post: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=12164#post12164

[Gnosis5]

I can see both viewpoints and some people exist at a high enough vibration level that they really don't have to prepare in the same way that we who exist at lower vibrational levels feel compelled to.

Do what compels you if that is what you want and let the other man/woman have their version of the game, for it is all a game we play and we choose the level we wish to play at.

I am raising my vibrational levels through spiritual processes. What are you doing to raise your vibrational levels, I'm interested in knowing.





I have no interest in these kinds of games. Take that business elsewhere. And for the record: No. Being real is not being a panic merhcant. This should be pretty obvious from my post above which you quoted and hopefully read carefully also... In case you did not see it here I quote again:

[izz]

There is no better preperation than that. Survivor mode is based on fear. Fear about what "might happen", and fear about "the future". This fear will block your inner peace and clarity. It will block your ability to relax and actually percieve "what is going on". Security does not come from having a bunker under your house etc. It comes from trust. Trust that you are were you are supposed to be and that you and all your loved ones will die when their time is up. No sooner and no later. You cannot escape death when your time is up no matter what. Existance knows what it's doing:original: In fact, it is the only one who really knows...the rest of us must learn to trust it and enjoy the ride!:trumpet:

The name of the game is not "survival" as Socrates mentions in his famous Apology. It is doing what FEELS right and avoid doing what FEELS wrong. If you do not feel a strong inner urge to relocate you can trust that you are were you are supposed to be. Trust in Existance and not in all sorts of "outside sources" and "dire predictions".

i totally agree , so many posts about the future are fear based maybe th eposters get energy from the fear ..

[atom.Man]

Yea, that is it. You can consider my work here on this forum as a counterbalance to all the fear and doom/gloom stuff that is flying around. I encourage people to at least be open to the possibilty that the worst is in fact over with and that really good things are on the horizon now[...]

that's an interesting viewpoint. Other than intuition, do you have any reason to feel that way?

i publish the 0DayNews.org (http://0daynews.org/) website which is basically a compilation of what i consider to be the most relevant articles collected by watching ~95 news feeds plus a handful of websites. Everything that i'm seeing indicates that the worst is far from over...


impending attack on Iran (possibly initiated by Israel)
global economies on the brink
U.S. economy in the toilet
ramp-up in Afghanistan
a token U.S. election (more war either way and no interest in getting rid of the Fed/IRS/etc.)
civil liberties evaporating (in several countries, not just U.S.)
U.S. constitution virtually meaningless
legislation in place for martial law in the U.S.
hundreds of FEMA camps lay in wait... of what?
global banking elite still calling many shots
global intel communities causing chaos


i listen to people like Icke, Mutwa, Zagami, Fulford, Casbolt, Camelot, etc., etc., but these people are working at a level that is far above what i am able to confirm, for the most part. I just don't have the resources. I'm pretty much limited to watching history in real time, based on what is happening and what people are writing about, and attempt to predict the future. And it don't look good. I think it's pretty obvious how this community in general feels as this why Avalon was created.

Unless something on one of the higher levels kicks in and we're rescued by E.T.'s or whatever, we're all in for a very rough time. And i can't count on something like that.

i think this time may be the most interesting, albeit dangerous, period of history the world has ever seen. Watching it unfold, for me anyway, is like furiously trying to unwrap a present as a kid to see what's in the box. I wasn't always pleased... and i really don't think the contents of this box holds anything pleasing either, at least not in the short run. :beer:

[Gnosis5]

I agree. Yesterday I was chatting with an energy worker and I mentioned to her that I was afraid of the idea of the Verichip. She asked me on a scale of 1-10 how would I rate that fear. I told her it felt like an "8". She asked me to energize that fear and then take a deep breath. I did. She then asked me how I would now rate that fear. Surprisingly, it came out to a "0".

Since that little "correction" I have looked to see if there is any residual fear and there is none. I believe she uses a version of EFT.

IT IS THAT SIMPLE FOLKS !!!!! I urge you to drop the fear and raise your game and live your life to its fullest joy.

I'm not a very good Christian but I do recall the Apostle Paul saying that he could be happy no matter what his circumstances. He obviously "worked out his salvation with fear and trembling", in psychotech parlance he discharged the negative energy ridges that append to negative emotions.

The purpose of Avalon is not to incite fear, but to bring calm and stability to people.

If I had a choice between stocking my cellar with cases of food and water or purchasing some mind-changing sessions from my favorite practitioner -- well one is good for a lifetime and the latter is good for eternity.

Don't get me wrong, the practical side of me does slip a few cans of sardines into the cellar, but I know that my real treasures are in spiritual development.

You are living in a great time when these technologies are abundantly available. Give yourself a jump start on your next lifetime, pleeeeese.
There is no better preperation than that. Survivor mode is based on fear. Fear about what "might happen", and fear about "the future". This fear will block your inner peace and clarity. It will block your ability to relax and actually percieve "what is going on". Security does not come from having a bunker under your house etc. It comes from trust. Trust that you are were you are supposed to be and that you and all your loved ones will die when their time is up. No sooner and no later. You cannot escape death when your time is up no matter what. Existance knows what it's doing:original: In fact, it is the only one who really knows...the rest of us must learn to trust it and enjoy the ride!:trumpet:

The name of the game is not "survival" as Socrates mentions in his famous Apology. It is doing what FEELS right and avoid doing what FEELS wrong. If you do not feel a strong inner urge to relocate you can trust that you are were you are supposed to be. Trust in Existance and not in all sorts of "outside sources" and "dire predictions".

[Baggywrinkle]

I have no interest in these kinds of games. Take that business elsewhere. :

I will side step the condescending tone and cut straight
to the chase.

Time is too short to waste trying to convince anyone of anything. My purpose on this forum is to share what I know, to learn what I can, and perhaps build a community. That is the purpose of Project Avalon.

There are two sides to the fear you describe; preparing
too much and preparing too little. Cognitive dissonance.
Like a deer caught in the headlights some stand, uncertain about what to do, so they do nothing or something wildly inappropriate. Like the elderly woman
during the Florida wildfires in 1998 hanging clothes out
to dry. The air so heavy with smoke you could not see
from the fire in the woods behind her home.

Perhaps not being a bit afraid is a sign that you don't really understand the situation. The difference between
a brave man and a fool is a brave man feels the fear and
does what needs to be done. A fool rushes in where angels fear to tread.

How prepared is prepared enough? This is an individual decision. If you have four years worth of food in a five year famine, well...

The bible tells us seven years. Ancient babylon had sufficient food for the citizens for twenty years. The United States in the sixties had enough to feed the entire
country for three years. Today the United States has enough grain in storage to make every man woman and child one half a loaf of bread. If the trucks stop running
forget about Uncle, because Uncle has sold your reserves
to the highest bidder overseas.

Do what is comfortable to you. If you are evolved enough to live as a breatharian - good on you! But if you open your mouth and expect the Lord to provide and nothing happens...congratulations, you have just joined the golden horde. In my neck of the woods it is the sweat
of your brow, your planning, and the grace of God that gets you by. Your failure to act will be the death of me and my lifestyle. If my brother is not prepared I am not prepared. We stand together or hang alone

If you have eyes to see and ears to hear you will be asses and elbows getting ready for winter, just like the squirrel and the ant toiling away. If you do not, brother grasshopper, peace be with you on your path. When my charity offerings are exhausted, you will not be welcome at my gate.

I could see that my opinion would be like a skunk at a tea party perusing this thread. I resisted for as long as I could. I have said my piece, now I shall darken your door no more. There are more pressing matters that need tending.

Blessings

D&D

[Gnosis5]

Hi, D&D,

You must do what your sensibilities dictate and I wish you the best in your endeavors.

During the North Korean attack on Seoul, South Korea, my grandfather-in-law fed his clan through offering up his medicines and services as a doctor. No one starved during the 400-mile walk to the southern tip of S.Korea

If Jesus Christ were here today I do believe his vibrational energies would be high enough to still be able to multiply food out of the ether, so to speak. JC also said that we could be like him (in fact we are).

I do agree with you about cognitive dissonance -- some people are stuck in a dichotomy, either insane fear and panic or insane optimism. One has to have a way to integrate the two opposing energies and be free to create more balanced choices.

About Breatharians, I don't think one has to be especially "evolved", but they would have to follow the steps and do the work, so it might be a good idea to add that to one's list of reading materials :)

Your emphasis seemed to be on maintaining bodies -- do you have anything to say about spiritual preparedness?

peace
G-5


I will side step the condescending tone and cut straight
to the chase.

Time is too short to waste trying to convince anyone of anything. My purpose on this forum is to share what I know, to learn what I can, and perhaps build a community. That is the purpose of Project Avalon.

There are two sides to the fear you describe; preparing
too much and preparing too little. Cognitive dissonance.
Like a deer caught in the headlights some stand, uncertain about what to do, so they do nothing or something wildly inappropriate. Like the elderly woman
during the Florida wildfires in 1998 hanging clothes out
to dry. The air so heavy with smoke you could not see
from the fire in the woods behind her home.

Perhaps not being a bit afraid is a sign that you don't really understand the situation. The difference between
a brave man and a fool is a brave man feels the fear and
does what needs to be done. A fool rushes in where angels fear to tread.

How prepared is prepared enough? This is an individual decision. If you have four years worth of food in a five year famine, well...

The bible tells us seven years. Ancient babylon had sufficient food for the citizens for twenty years. The United States in the sixties had enough to feed the entire
country for three years. Today the United States has enough grain in storage to make every man woman and child one half a loaf of bread. If the trucks stop running
forget about Uncle, because Uncle has sold your reserves
to the highest bidder overseas.

Do what is comfortable to you. If you are evolved enough to live as a breatharian - good on you! But if you open your mouth and expect the Lord to provide and nothing happens...congratulations, you have just joined the golden horde. In my neck of the woods it is the sweat
of your brow, your planning, and the grace of God that gets you by. Your failure to act will be the death of me and my lifestyle. If my brother is not prepared I am not prepared. We stand together or hang alone

If you have eyes to see and ears to hear you will be asses and elbows getting ready for winter, just like the squirrel and the ant toiling away. If you do not, brother grasshopper, peace be with you on your path. When my charity offerings are exhausted, you will not be welcome at my gate.

I could see that my opinion would be like a skunk at a tea party perusing this thread. I resisted for as long as I could. I have said my piece, now I shall darken your door no more. There are more pressing matters that need tending.

Blessings

D&D

[Sanat]

that's an interesting viewpoint. Other than intuition, do you have any reason to feel that way?

i publish the 0DayNews.org (http://0daynews.org/) website which is basically a compilation of what i consider to be the most relevant articles collected by watching ~95 news feeds plus a handful of websites. Everything that i'm seeing indicates that the worst is far from over...


impending attack on Iran (possibly initiated by Israel)
global economies on the brink
U.S. economy in the toilet
ramp-up in Afghanistan
a token U.S. election (more war either way and no interest in getting rid of the Fed/IRS/etc.)
civil liberties evaporating (in several countries, not just U.S.)
U.S. constitution virtually meaningless
legislation in place for martial law in the U.S.
hundreds of FEMA camps lay in wait... of what?
global banking elite still calling many shots
global intel communities causing chaos


i listen to people like Icke, Mutwa, Zagami, Fulford, Casbolt, Camelot, etc., etc., but these people are working at a level that is far above what i am able to confirm, for the most part. I just don't have the resources. I'm pretty much limited to watching history in real time, based on what is happening and what people are writing about, and attempt to predict the future. And it don't look good. I think it's pretty obvious how this community in general feels as this why Avalon was created.

Unless something on one of the higher levels kicks in and we're rescued by E.T.'s or whatever, we're all in for a very rough time. And i can't count on something like that.

i think this time may be the most interesting, albeit dangerous, period of history the world has ever seen. Watching it unfold, for me anyway, is like furiously trying to unwrap a present as a kid to see what's in the box. I wasn't always pleased... and i really don't think the contents of this box holds anything pleasing either, at least not in the short run. :beer:

"Other than intuition, do you have any reason to feel that way?"

No, my friend. I do not. And I don't need any reason to feel that way neither. Intuition is not based on info/reasons from the "outside". It is simply a notion without any "reason" attachd to it. And if it really is intuition it is never wrong in my experience. I trust it 100% as I have done for many years already. It has provided me nothing but good. But I know it's not for everyone. Some trust instinct/gut feeling, some trust intellect/calculation and some simply trust intuition/heart (or a combo of these). Its a matter of what you have developed I guess. Intuition does not come easy as it will test you a lot in order to grow. Abraham trusted his intuition enough to almost sacrifice his own son right?

I know of all that is going on that you talk about. I know about the Fema Camps, Iran, the economy, the plans for martial law etc. I also used to listen to all of those sources of info and more...you forgot Alex Jones btw. He should be right up your ally:original: (he recently interviewed Icke...). I used to listen to Alex Jones every day for several years. I totally agree that it is seemingly the darkest hour we are moving into now. Some time ago I also felt that things would be catastrophical on a global level. But that notion has changed since. All I can say is to quote the old saying: It is always darkest before the dawn...

I am all for preparing btw. That was not my point at all. There will be more "local" turmoil etc. in the transitional period, but not global cataclysm the way I see it. That we have transcended. So by all means prepare if that feels right for you. Who am I to tell anyone what to do. Please do not listen to me, but rather to yourself. My point was simply that you can prepare without any fear, just as you can fight without anger and hatred. And I have a feeling this is what you do. So no prob. bro:thumb_yello:! The outside does not need to rule the inside. It should be the other way around, and this is where we are going... And to get there things will have to be turned a bit "upside down" for a while. Good luck anyhow!

I agree. Yesterday I was chatting with an energy worker and I mentioned to her that I was afraid of the idea of the Verichip. She asked me on a scale of 1-10 how would I rate that fear. I told her it felt like an "8". She asked me to energize that fear and then take a deep breath. I did. She then asked me how I would now rate that fear. Surprisingly, it came out to a "0".

Since that little "correction" I have looked to see if there is any residual fear and there is none. I believe she uses a version of EFT.

IT IS THAT SIMPLE FOLKS !!!!! I urge you to drop the fear and raise your game and live your life to its fullest joy.

I'm not a very good Christian but I do recall the Apostle Paul saying that he could be happy no matter what his circumstances. He obviously "worked out his salvation with fear and trembling", in psychotech parlance he discharged the negative energy ridges that append to negative emotions.

The purpose of Avalon is not to incite fear, but to bring calm and stability to people.

If I had a choice between stocking my cellar with cases of food and water or purchasing some mind-changing sessions from my favorite practitioner -- well one is good for a lifetime and the latter is good for eternity.

Don't get me wrong, the practical side of me does slip a few cans of sardines into the cellar, but I know that my real treasures are in spiritual development.

You are living in a great time when these technologies are abundantly available. Give yourself a jump start on your next lifetime, pleeeeese.

Yes, calm and stability is the way. Of course, it is natural and good to feel fear in the presence of real danger. On the spur of the moment so to speak. That is how you survive. It is something else to be fearful all the time based on what "might happen". What you focus on tend to manifest and what you fear is what you focus on. This is the way the universe let you process the fear out of the system. By facing it...

[historycircus]

When the first bombs drop, food shortages lead to starvation, and people figure out that the police will not be coming by to take a report, you can bet your sweet aunt bippy that there will be those who will rape, kill, pillage, and plunder to get whatever they want. If you live within two hundred miles of a metropolitan area, you are most at risk. Global catastrophe will not selectively weed out the *******s and leave only the enlightened. If you are going through all the trouble of creating a radiant zone, and all the work that that entails, there needs to be some provision for security. There will be children at these safehavens, and I would reluctantly do what I had to do to make sure that some roving band of monsters doesn't have the opportunity to wipe out the next generation. Face it, you may have to defend yourself in the coming times, and having the tools to facilitate the safety of yourselves and the ones you love is not being unenlightened or barbaric - it is being human.

[Jenny]

When the first bombs drop, food shortages lead to starvation, and people figure out that the police will not be coming by to take a report, you can bet your sweet aunt bippy that there will be those who will rape, kill, pillage, and plunder to get whatever they want. If you live within two hundred miles of a metropolitan area, you are most at risk. Global catastrophe will not selectively weed out the *******s and leave only the enlightened. If you are going through all the trouble of creating a radiant zone, and all the work that that entails, there needs to be some provision for security. There will be children at these safehavens, and I would reluctantly do what I had to do to make sure that some roving band of monsters doesn't have the opportunity to wipe out the next generation. Face it, you may have to defend yourself in the coming times, and having the tools to facilitate the safety of yourselves and the ones you love is not being unenlightened or barbaric - it is being human.

Defending yourself and those who cannot defend temselves can be done without barbarism or fear.

It is intelligent to defend what needs to be defended.

It is more like what you are being teached in Martial Arts.

[Sanat]

Again. I trust that if this was the case then I would be prompted to "prepare" for that scenario. But since I am not prompted in that direction I trust that this cannot be the case for me at least. I am only speaking for myself after all. I do not look to the outside for guidance and that is perhaps unusual in this world. People must do what feels right for them. But all can be done without any fear, hate or anger. I accept whatever happens because I do not have any personal preferances. I see everything as an interesting lesson. I do not have any children or even a partner. I understand and respect that having these things likely will give you different perspective.

[NorthernSanctuary]

I believe that the intuitive feeling Sanat is talking about comes from the soul, not from the physical senses. To be connected to this feeling is to be connected to your soul level, which will provide a higher guidance for your well being and allows you to respond properly without fear. It provides a farther look ahead, and complements your physical senses which are more limiting.

/Wayne

[chelmostef]

This is a intreasting thread.
We are animals and fear has helped in our evolution.
I think that there is different levals of fear, the rabbit in the head lights fear frozen in terror.
Run away fear.
The get on a bike over take everyone and nearly kill yourself fear. Which some find an enjoyable fear.
Put your seat belt on, even though I wont crash fear.
Dont go outside as the sky might fall down fear.

But for me, I dont fear what could potentially happen I will embrace it. It could be a good thing to happen. Can you turn somthing evil into somthing good? I can, It will expose people for who they realy are.
If there is a genicide of people, or a cull of humans. I have prepared myself so I will not get caught in the fray. It is not though fear that I do this but an enjoyable experience expanding my knowledge of things that I didnt know before.

[Sanat]

I believe that the intuitive feeling Sanat is talking about comes from the soul, not from the physical senses. To be connected to this feeling is to be connected to your soul level, which will provide a higher guidance for your well being and allows you to respond properly without fear. It provides a farther look ahead, and complements your physical senses which are more limiting.

/Wayne

Yea, that pretty much sums it up.

[atom.Man]

"[...]you forgot Alex Jones btw. He should be right up your ally[...]

i didn't forget, i simply don't know what box to put him in :biggrin2:

[Xmen442002]

Well I will take my bunker any day against being invited 'to dinner' by some aliens that are eying you as main course:lmao:

If they wanted us they would have already taken us. it is better that they work covertly instead of overtly. Humans have no regard for life and they know this

Xmen

[Carrie Todd]

I truly believe that some can feel a sense of happiness and peace through any circumstance. I agree with what, I believe, is the essence of what Sanat is saying there. I also believe that there are many things to be aware of. Even local problems can be very big problems, as evidenced by the LA riots following the Rodney King situation.

For whatever reason, be it intuition or just a feeling of responsibility for my family and my fellow (less prepared) mankind, I PLAN to be prepared. This will help me to stay calm and serene if things do go wrong. I don't have a bunker or major food storage, but I have been educating myself on some of the basic aspects of how to survive with what I have available. I also live in the "boonies" and having enough food to make it through a good ice storm has become a normal part of my winters. There are only two ways to be wrong in this, over or under estimation of effort. That is an individual determination, and time, our decisions, and circumstances will tell.

Like Gnosis, I also believe that spiritual preparation is always (don't mean to put words in your mouth) more important than physical. I think that is the case regardless of what life will bring us. This physical existence is temporary for all of us. The spiritual is eternal.

[David]

This is an excellent post. While it is good to be prepared for disasters, there is no need to live in fear. We are all hear to live, learn and love.

[ladyluck]

There is no better preperation than that. Survivor mode is based on fear. Fear about what "might happen", and fear about "the future". This fear will block your inner peace and clarity. It will block your ability to relax and actually percieve "what is going on". Security does not come from having a bunker under your house etc. It comes from trust. Trust that you are were you are supposed to be and that you and all your loved ones will die when their time is up. No sooner and no later. You cannot escape death when your time is up no matter what. Existance knows what it's doing:original: In fact, it is the only one who really knows...the rest of us must learn to trust it and enjoy the ride!:trumpet:

The name of the game is not "survival" as Socrates mentions in his famous Apology. It is doing what FEELS right and avoid doing what FEELS wrong. If you do not feel a strong inner urge to relocate you can trust that you are were you are supposed to be. Trust in Existance and not in all sorts of "outside sources" and "dire predictions".




The BEST advice I've received so far..... the BEST!! Thank You!!! :original:

[Genevieve]

This is a great thread!

I believe we are encouraged to think in "survivor mode" because we are taught to believe that we have no control over our own lives.

Society "teaches" us nowadays to be helpless and reliant on the system to provide us with even our most basic needs - food, water and the infrastructure within which we live. It lulls us into a sense of security that all will be provided for much like a newborn baby totally trusts its mother to always provide everything it needs.

Where i live - whole cities could be held to ransom all for the lack of ONE water pipeline!!! Not to mention the lack of fresh food should ONE highway become obsolete (or there was no fuel to power the trucks to transport lettuces from one side of the country to the other!!) I'm sure our ancestors would find this situation ludicrous.

The first step in getting out of "survivor mode" is to take back control of your own life. One of the simplest ways you can do this is to take back control of your own food and water. Learn how to FEED yourself. It is not hard to learn once you start - and you dont need vast acreage of land. The rain will fall the sun will shine and things will grow. Collect your own water - it falls as much on your rooftop as it does over the city dams. The average quarter acre block CAN support the average family if planned right.

Of course ideally the next step is networking with others who are doing the same as you and a barter system works wonderfully.

Anyway - its a liberating feeling to know that you CAN survive without the PTB - after all people were doing that for eons before we were all herded into neat little holding pens called cities!

The simple act of gardening IS a form of political dissent.

To quote Bill Mollison ( the father of Permaculture) .."I teach self-reliance, the world's most subversive practice. I teach people how to grow their own food, which is shockingly subversive. Yes its seditious - but its peaceful sedition"

[SynchrOMicity]

Well, I do not live in fear. And perfect love cast’s out all fear.
Worse case I die, prematurely ejectulate, flesh wise, because you can’t kill me.
And iam back home. Chillin with my friends.
But to ride out the storms of change,in this plane, I would rather be prepared,
And not need it, than to not be, and need it!
Now I know as a man thinks in his heart so is he, so as the masses think in their hearts so are we all. And 90% R brain dead or brain washed. How are the masses thinking right now? Not pretty! If every body woke up yesterday, we could turn this ship around.(ship of Tool”S I mean fools).
But they ain’t, so geet ready folks. As was said in Carl Segan ‘s movie Contact, R ya ready to take a ride, iam OK to GO!!! Is your heart sayin iam ok to go? Narrow is the way that leads to life, U know the rest of that verse aah.
I bless you all, and wish U the best transition period.

[Frank Samuel]

To be ready, coming from a military background, physical readiness matters very little if your heart, mind and spirit are not aligned and in tune with your surroundings. As i write this I'm listening to the wind and rain looking at my
children, thanking God , Gaia, project avalon, for helping to awaken me to a new reality. The reality of positiveness, gratefulness and compassion for others. For to hate and be negative will poison your soul and thus you lose your edge. A clear head, clear mind, cautionary but wise steps, positive and loving always...
I am prepare as I ever going to be...
Peace and love to all :wub2::wub2::wub2::thumb_yello:

[crowmirror]

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[Seva]

Well, I do not live in fear. And perfect love cast’s out all fear.
Worse case I die, prematurely ejectulate, flesh wise, because you can’t kill me.
And iam back home. Chillin with my friends.
But to ride out the storms of change,in this plane, I would rather be prepared,
And not need it, than to not be, and need it!
Now I know as a man thinks in his heart so is he, so as the masses think in their hearts so are we all. And 90% R brain dead or brain washed. How are the masses thinking right now? Not pretty! If every body woke up yesterday, we could turn this ship around.(ship of Tool”S I mean fools).
But they ain’t, so geet ready folks. As was said in Carl Segan ‘s movie Contact, R ya ready to take a ride, iam OK to GO!!! Is your heart sayin iam ok to go? Narrow is the way that leads to life, U know the rest of that verse aah.
I bless you all, and wish U the best transition period.


Awsome post and some very good points to think about

[Seva]

I will side step the condescending tone and cut straight
to the chase.

Time is too short to waste trying to convince anyone of anything. My purpose on this forum is to share what I know, to learn what I can, and perhaps build a community. That is the purpose of Project Avalon.

There are two sides to the fear you describe; preparing
too much and preparing too little. Cognitive dissonance.
Like a deer caught in the headlights some stand, uncertain about what to do, so they do nothing or something wildly inappropriate. Like the elderly woman
during the Florida wildfires in 1998 hanging clothes out
to dry. The air so heavy with smoke you could not see
from the fire in the woods behind her home.

Perhaps not being a bit afraid is a sign that you don't really understand the situation. The difference between
a brave man and a fool is a brave man feels the fear and
does what needs to be done. A fool rushes in where angels fear to tread.

How prepared is prepared enough? This is an individual decision. If you have four years worth of food in a five year famine, well...

The bible tells us seven years. Ancient babylon had sufficient food for the citizens for twenty years. The United States in the sixties had enough to feed the entire
country for three years. Today the United States has enough grain in storage to make every man woman and child one half a loaf of bread. If the trucks stop running
forget about Uncle, because Uncle has sold your reserves
to the highest bidder overseas.

Do what is comfortable to you. If you are evolved enough to live as a breatharian - good on you! But if you open your mouth and expect the Lord to provide and nothing happens...congratulations, you have just joined the golden horde. In my neck of the woods it is the sweat
of your brow, your planning, and the grace of God that gets you by. Your failure to act will be the death of me and my lifestyle. If my brother is not prepared I am not prepared. We stand together or hang alone

If you have eyes to see and ears to hear you will be asses and elbows getting ready for winter, just like the squirrel and the ant toiling away. If you do not, brother grasshopper, peace be with you on your path. When my charity offerings are exhausted, you will not be welcome at my gate.

I could see that my opinion would be like a skunk at a tea party perusing this thread. I resisted for as long as I could. I have said my piece, now I shall darken your door no more. There are more pressing matters that need tending.

Blessings

D&D

Brilliant point, and i also feel seeing some replies to your post do some think the word "survival" a dirty word? Why if you wish for the continuation of your body, you are seen as unenlightened and less spiritual. if we did not need these bodies to do what needs be then why are we here, if somehow the grounding of our energies in this physical form was necessary then we would be staning in a comfortable place bring armchair quarterbacks. So i assume this is necessary, and if the word survival is offensive then how about LIFE, i will do things for LIFE and to LIVE, and thru these thigns i will continue and be able to assist other in LIFE to LIVE and so on from my brothers and sisters of the light to the world that is now in shadow. Be the lighthouse. And yes i said this to someone yesterday to which they became promptly ****** i said, those who chose to do nothing and were full aware of what was comming will be burdens on those who have. Its true becasuse id never turn anyone away id share whatever i have. But this senario should be for those is the dizzyconfusion of this world the ones we are here to help. Becasue when what they find familiar falls and they wake from that waking sleep, they will turn aroudn in circles in panic and we need to be there, present and calm, with answers with the candle in the window and a open door. :welcomeani:


Instead of arguing of technicalities and getting anoyed at thins, becasuie its easy to get that way, this is serious, this is a world changing event this isnt the same day after day we have been used to. how about we balance, maybe some are good at keeping the calm mind ok add that and some how to promote LIFE, awsome two sides of the coin MIND/BODY both needed. I know alot of the stuff flying around now is nausiating, it is, yesterday after my group meditaion i was awsome and then today im shown things that turn my stomache and freeze my heart. :sad:
And for those who have kept track of things, facts are FACTS
if you find them are ulgy or NOT. people do mean things :tongue2:

people do awful thigns sometimes, in a unconscious state, when they act in the will of the ego and pain body with thier radiant soul asleep :sleep_1:

To make the mistake that all people think as you do, or would act as your do. IS not a good plan... I know that the same spak is in them and i hold faith in the power of RESONANCE to shift them and awaken the divinty in side them and change there hearts. There is also talk of this happeneing in the darkest places and that gives me great joy.

Now the things that are unfolding around us. Its.... unbalancing to put it mildly. And one has to ask is avoidance maybe a byproduct of fear. I will close my eyes and plug my ears, and now i dont see of hear you.

To add on to what Braggywrinke was explaing, i have one more to add

also based in fact the cute story about the Boiling frog

The boiling frog story states that a frog can be boiled alive if the water is heated slowly enough — it is said that if a frog is placed in boiling water, it will jump out, but if it is placed in cold water that is slowly heated, it will never jump out.

The story is generally told in a figurative context, with the upshot being that people should make themselves aware of gradual change lest they suffer a catastrophic loss. Often it is used to illustrate a slippery-slope argument. For example, many civil libertarians argue that even minor increases in government authority, which may seem less noteworthy, make future increases in that authority more likely: what would once have seemed a huge power grab, the argument goes, now becomes seen as just another incremental increase, and thus appears more palatable. In the boiling-frog allegory, the frog represents the citizenry, whilst the gradual heating of the water represents the incremental encroachment of government.


Dont be the frog :roll1:

And those of us who arent down with the froggyness arent wingnuts :shocked:

Maybe we are this polarity for a reason to make sure all bases are covered no one person has all the pieces. maybe we each have a valuable piece and no piece is more valuable and all are needed.

About forming communities it cant be imposible right now there are Large groups of happy little hippies have eco farms. But things can be made to different specifications.

Is it maybe that what we would need to do seems

To difficult
To late
To out of reach
No plan
No visable completed one
No people in a group agreeing
The thought of it EWWW dont wanna look or think of it (being in lack)
A endless camping trip (some people dont like this idea) (was speaking to a friend yesterday one thing that puts people off specially girlies like myself is the lack of the moden things we take for granted in other words we wanna "poop with dignity" and we dont think the bears have a good thing going.
But our types do tend to embrace new technologies there are many scientists and im sure we coud figure something out that would not having us living like cavemen

Why do i think about this... becasue i know of the importance of unity, of us to gather. To be that lighthouse. And we have to LIVE to be that, if we all have our hearts intent for the HIGEST GOOD. well we would need to get out butts together i think wiht many heads there are bound to be sweet ideas i have a few if anyone wants to maybe wants to discuss what relaisticly be done then lets all join hands and minds for this. If not feel free to tell me to shutup :roll1:

But know i love you all so much you are all angels here. There are no limits to what we can acomplish if we are in unity. :thumb_yello:

[Seva]

This is a intreasting thread.
We are animals and fear has helped in our evolution.
I think that there is different levals of fear, the rabbit in the head lights fear frozen in terror.
Run away fear.
The get on a bike over take everyone and nearly kill yourself fear. Which some find an enjoyable fear.
Put your seat belt on, even though I wont crash fear.
Dont go outside as the sky might fall down fear.

But for me, I dont fear what could potentially happen I will embrace it. It could be a good thing to happen. Can you turn somthing evil into somthing good? I can, It will expose people for who they realy are.
If there is a genicide of people, or a cull of humans. I have prepared myself so I will not get caught in the fray. It is not though fear that I do this but an enjoyable experience expanding my knowledge of things that I didnt know before.

Yep ill also toast when it is toast :thumb_yello:

What is going down "was" a big ulgy beast of a thing, good riddance to it. It must go for there to be the new world the old must fall. Now I dont wanna be a dummy and be standing in the wrong place and get squished by the falling debris :wink2: i think thats the point alot of us who are wanting to make sure we continue LIFE are feeling. Things are changing, so stay out of the way or falling debris. yes a calm mind is a hardhat, and will protect you from alot of stuff but not the big chunks so its best to looks up and be aware and try to preserve LIFE and continue the link into this #D so you can channel the energy into it.

If any of you follow the mayan calender this is the end of the 5th nite and it is RIGHT ON THE $ on events, this is the comming down of the old ulgy regiem and like any living thing it is blooming all its ulgyness for everyone to see. I think they MUST see it, must acknowledge it for there to be change. Maybe many people are heavy sleepers and need soemthing LOUD to wake up and stop hitting the snooze bar? :sleep_1:

I like to feel all things have there purpose, maybe people ened to be taken from there comfort level to get off ther butts? But when is ee the new wave of thought now the "green" the "eco" the nuturing of the planet wow i know that a wave of change can sweept thru people. But it had to be brought to a dire point for people to pay attention, which kinda sucks but i see a pattern. Do i dare think that maybe even a shot time of what wouldbe called "chaos" is needed for humantiy to hit the reset button, halt and change directions?

Anyways back to the date, the 5th night ends in earily november, and it says as per all the past 6th days we are do for a renassance the likes of which have never been seen. Its been right for thousands of years and is up to this point, ive got my fingers crossed for the 6th day, a new dawn, a rebuilding. Ive got my sleeves rolled up and ready. Maybe forming these NEW villages, new ways to coexhist is also a lesson we need to learn and teach, a new way. Who knows just a thought :wink2:

[Avid]

As a longtime viewer of Project Camelot, I welcomed this innovation.
I have wandered all threads, and most of the posts, for weeks now, and also my multiple tabs have been open on many many other sites, just to keep up is now becoming exhausting. To what end?
I was quire poorly 3 months ago and stopped using my computer, watching TV, and just went out and did gardening, saw to my relatives, and slept peacefully.
I stupidly bought myself a new mac to do creative things and got 'wheedled' in again - I watched as the major posters got even more competitive - with their large avatars and unusual communicatory literacy, I found it compulsory to do the 'alternative rounds' again. It takes all day every day! I am early retired. I appreciate there are some people out there who find this their only means of communication, but we MUST LIVE OUR LIVES!
One find's oneself doing things with money, disregarding the 'state of play' of normalcy, because one is in a fixated 'doom-laden' anxiety, our vibrations becoming so low as to make oneself ill, when the whole of this forum is supposedly positive. I applaud all those who can rise above the fear and be proactive - I am met with resilience, but have stored all relevant materials for the 'just-in-case' scenario. I've spent money on wind-up radios with short wave etc, wind-up lanterns, and now seem to 'hunkered down' unwilling to travel on any 'key dates'. This is NOT what we should be doing surely?

I am half-awake - in a nightmare - I want to relax but worry for my family, I do the deep-breathing, but there it is - in the background - the ultimate fear. Please please stop this... so I'm off back to my gardening (I hope), but will desperately try to stop looking at the pre-marked dates on my calender and reorganising around it.
I hope I am not one of many...
Please, 'ground crew' it implies you are the only survivors - I am too unwell to help you unless you need reiki.
I am utterly depressed.

[sunnyrap]

I haven't met a person yet who has conquered fear to the point of being invulnerable to apparent danger--are you at that point?

This sounds just like the 'don't give it negative support' argument. Great on the theortical level, but depending on where you are developmentally, hazardous.

[conjuredUp]

I love this post.
I like the energy behind the OP's point.

The problem with getting humans to agree on stuff like this is:
Some consider themselves "awake" because they know some stuff.
They feel what's coming. They smell the danger and they read some words some other guy wrote and they cleave to that. Which is fine. For them.

Others are "awake" because they've been working on their spirituality either because of, or in spite of the impending shift. And that's fine, too.

So to hope to ever have one see the other's point, IMHO is a fruitless endeavor. They exist outside of each other's paradigm.

VERY VERY few people are "AWAKE" on both fronts.
And alas... those are the only people who CAN populate a true radiant zone.


We see what we want to see.
Drop the swords and DO WHAT YOU FEEL YOU SHOULD.

LOVE and only LOVE,
C

[Myra]

I haven't met a person yet who has conquered fear to the point of being invulnerable to apparent danger--are you at that point?

This sounds just like the 'don't give it negative support' argument. Great on the theortical level, but depending on where you are developmentally, hazardous.

Very well said. And it certainly depends on where you physically reside.
Some places are definitely safer than others.

[ricksfortune2004@hotmail.]

Stop blaming fear for irrationalizations. Yes, people get scared. and they SHOULD. If I'm cooking on the stove and accidentally lean my hand on the burner and suddenly feel like my hand is on fire, I HOPE I get scared and FEAR burning and take my hand away. Instead, if I say (once my hand is on fire) that all I need to do is focus on "the light" and leave my hand on the burner, I FEEL I'm an idiot. I get the point of mind over matter, but until you can control that... don't convce others to rest their hands on a hot stove.

[Sanat]

Stop blaming fear for irrationalizations. Yes, people get scared. and they SHOULD. If I'm cooking on the stove and accidentally lean my hand on the burner and suddenly feel like my hand is on fire, I HOPE I get scared and FEAR burning and take my hand away. Instead, if I say (once my hand is on fire) that all I need to do is focus on "the light" and leave my hand on the burner, I FEEL I'm an idiot. I get the point of mind over matter, but until you can control that... don't convce others to rest their hands on a hot stove.

That is not the "fear" we are adressing here. That is a natural reflex reaction, just like if you step into a bees hive and they all come buzzing after you you will run scared. That is in the moment and natural. Fear of what "might happen" in the future is not natural. It is based upon things that might or might not "be true" or "become true". It will make you live in a fearful mode all the time because of endless "what ifs" generated by the ego/mind who perpetuate itself true fear.

In fact; if you "buy into" the doom/gloom future scenario you are actually guilty of cocreating it. Have you ever thought of that? Every person that "wakes up" to these kinds of scenarios are giving their attention and thus power to them.

It is not enough to just wake up to the plans of the dark side and "react" to them. Then you are playing their game and walk into their trap. One has to transcend these plans and start to envision the future you would really like to see. The very least a conscious evolved person should do if unable to transcend the plan of the dark is to let go of fear about it.

[Richard T]

Sanat is right. Survivor mode is the taking over of the mind by animal instincts. And man must master the animality he has invested. We are not animals but we believe this is all there is.

Survivor mode is existence. When in survival mode, people exist. They do not live. This can only mean that life is not integrated at this level.

Because death is not part of life. Life cannot die. Existances can be wiped out into death.

Saying that death is part of life is an oximoron. It makes no real sense. But it is the conclusion of a person who survives, who exists, but who does not yet lives.

So I totally concur with the title of this thread. Man must be extracted from his existential condition, and lose his survival consciousness to start living.

This implies starting to act in accordance with light within, and that light has no fear.

The ego is constantly assaulted with the instincts of an animal body he is connected to and has lost sight of his origin. His origin is life, but now he dies. He lived, and now he exists.

But it is not his origin that dies but the memory of his experience. But the ego believe he is that memory. And the laws behind that memory is to survive. It is the function of memory to seek perpetuity.

The call of Sanat to escape survival and start living is a call to which I concur totally.

[SunRa]

There is no better preperation than that. Survivor mode is based on fear. Fear about what "might happen", and fear about "the future". This fear will block your inner peace and clarity. It will block your ability to relax and actually percieve "what is going on". Security does not come from having a bunker under your house etc. It comes from trust. Trust that you are were you are supposed to be and that you and all your loved ones will die when their time is up. No sooner and no later. You cannot escape death when your time is up no matter what. Existance knows what it's doing:original: In fact, it is the only one who really knows...the rest of us must learn to trust it and enjoy the ride!:trumpet:

The name of the game is not "survival" as Socrates mentions in his famous Apology. It is doing what FEELS right and avoid doing what FEELS wrong. If you do not feel a strong inner urge to relocate you can trust that you are were you are supposed to be. Trust in Existance and not in all sorts of "outside sources" and "dire predictions".

:roll1:

this is most excellent advice

[Seva]

That is not the "fear" we are adressing here. That is a natural reflex reaction, just like if you step into a bees hive and they all come buzzing after you you will run scared. That is in the moment and natural. Fear of what "might happen" in the future is not natural. It is based upon things that might or might not "be true" or "become true". It will make you live in a fearful mode all the time because of endless "what ifs" generated by the ego/mind who perpetuate itself true fear.

In fact; if you "buy into" the doom/gloom future scenario you are actually guilty of cocreating it. Have you ever thought of that? Every person that "wakes up" to these kinds of scenarios are giving their attention and thus power to them.

It is not enough to just wake up to the plans of the dark side and "react" to them. Then you are playing their game and walk into their trap. One has to transcend these plans and start to envision the future you would really like to see. The very least a conscious evolved person should do if unable to transcend the plan of the dark is to let go of fear about it.

then how does one take this into the NOW. to be present in a current situation. if the now shows certain trends or that there might be a period of adjustment before a change? where is the line drawn between preparation and panic? not to close ones eyes and chant OMMM very loudly as to drown out all else (actually i have been doing that lately when overwhelmed lol but i cant do it nonstop so...) how can one be both rational and realistic?

[Seva]

[QUOTE=Sanat;18430]Security does not come from having a bunker under your house etc. It comes from trust. Trust that you are were you are supposed to be and that you and all your loved ones will die when their time is up. No sooner and no later. You cannot escape death when your time is up no matter what. Existance knows what it's doing:

QUOTE]

I need to know how to apply this in certain serarios. I have freinds who are stuck in great worry becasue they children to feed or other loved ones that depend on them? I think those factors may pull alot of people out of that presence and the inner mind becasue they have other beings to worry about and then they get caught up in the drama out of worry for them. I mean if your a mom of small children, what was said before about just be ok they will all die when its time, that would not really give that person with maternal instinct solace? Or a father with a family, wife and kids. Its hard for people to really take peace from that? Are there any people with helpless dependants or non-awake loved ones that this gives them peace? please let me know how to get there i cant figure it out? Wanting to make sure those basic needs of them are met (water/food/shelter) is one way to somewhat quell the worry.

[BJ ∞ Trust Yourself]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmB!

[Carrie Todd]

Seva, I totally agree with your frog story. I've heard it before and it definitely seems to fit what is going on.

Avid, I understand your plight. The doom and gloom news and supposition can be overwhelming. I, personally try to knock off early enough daily that I can wind down and find some peace.

But I think that was the original purpose of the post. If you don't have peace and joy in your life, you really don't have life. I liked Seva's comment about continuing life and living. It doesn't have to be frantic survival and paralyzing fear.

A group of us are getting together in Kansas City this weekend to share ideas and get to know each other. I think this sort of fellowship would help a person gain perspective; there is comfort in numbers.

[Seva]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmB!

:thumb_yello: mmmmmmmmmmmB!

[Seva]

:thumb_yello:Seva, I totally agree with your frog story. I've heard it before and it definitely seems to fit what is going on.

Avid, I understand your plight. The doom and gloom news and supposition can be overwhelming. I, personally try to knock off early enough daily that I can wind down and find some peace.

But I think that was the original purpose of the post. If you don't have peace and joy in your life, you really don't have life. I liked Seva's comment about continuing life and living. It doesn't have to be frantic survival and paralyzing fear.

A group of us are getting together in Kansas City this weekend to share ideas and get to know each other. I think this sort of fellowship would help a person gain perspective; there is comfort in numbers.

:thumb_yello: Thats wonderful :) i know alot can be acomplised with many calm heads with different perspective. maybe everyone should do roll call on that state listing so we can figure out who is around us state wise or even regionaly. Ive been looking over alot of things. the old is going down, which does mean trasition and adjustment and a period of confusion, but afterwards it gets to be rebuilt. In happy meditative periods ponder that, what would you rebuild? Harmony with mother earth, a close knit community, abdunance thta is shared amond all so there is no povery, no manipulated wars or confrontations. Soon will come the time when the true power of manifestion will be known, but alwasys remember beyond the visualization and accpetance there is the 3rd factor of "action" to bring a dream into reality.

Thats wonderful what your doing this weekend. the things that seem unreachable or too hard or impossible all begin with that first step :) and with that first person who has the courage to step into that unknown and try :thumb_yello:

in that note anyone here on the southern east coast?

NAMASTE

[Sanat]

Hi Seva!

I cannot tell you the "how" of anything. That is up to each person to find out for him/her self...

The line between preparation and panic is drawn inside each individual. Where else? If you do what you do because that feels right and it is an expression of your inner urge and Joy you can very well be preparing and be peaceful inside at the same time. Just like preparing for a party with good friends or familiy might make you peaceful. But if your preparation is highly motivated by all sorts of "what if" scenarios which have given your already present fear a lot of good excuses to "take you over", then you are moving closer to panic... Point is: Fear is there in the first place and has been for a long time, the outside events are just bringing it up to the surface and it is up to you how to handle that fear in order to grow out of it. All is an opportunity.

If you really feel the need to prepare, then there should not be any fear in it because you are doing what feels right for you and you are doing your best to express what feels right for you. No problem. However, if you are preparing because of "outside influence" when in reality your "higher self" is trying to guide you to move in another direction or do something totally "unexpected" or different, then you can easily move into panic because you are not listening to your own inner guide. You have given your power away to outside "authorities" which you might feel "know better" than you do. Nobody knows better than yourself what is right for you. Fear is blocking your ability to listen to your own guidence. Therefore fear must be dealt with by each of us individually. It helps to view everything as an experience for growth, and thus accept that this is what you must have signed up to experience. No matter what it might be...

[Richard T]

All is an opportunity.



That says it all.

Unfortunately, when in opposition, instead of seeing the condition as an opportunity, which it is, people tend to look at it in terms of contrariety. Instead of using the event to strengthen their fields of force. they seek to avoid the experience.

And the experience is there for no other reason than that of opportunity.

[Zynox]

~ trust thy inner compass, a gift from self to self, happy birthday to thee ~

[Carrie Todd]

There are many different methods by which one can "enjoy the ride". I agree, a person must look within for his or her own path. I don't think there is a perfect one-size-fits-all solution.

Some will hunker down in their bunkers; some will store food for theirsleves and their loved ones; some will meditate with knowledge that everything happens for a reason. Some will refuse to look until it's too late. Awareness comes to different persons at different times in different ways.

Someone earlier mentioned the ant and the grasshopper. I plan to prepare with peace. Life can be a learning experience, as well as, a game. I guess it just depends on what you sign up for and what you come away with.

[Isa]

((AVID)) !!!!! I hope you are feeling better soon. I have been in that horrid place yes, yes ~ of course and why not? When you know "too much" it is such a burden at first...

...but time passes and look, you are still here. You are gardening! (I am jealous) I hope you are talking to your plants; they are alive and so so so wise, aren't they? Yes, we are on this beautiful earth, still here and there you are planting and breathing... you see, this life is still here and precious today. All any of us ever has is this moment.

One thing that has helped me in the past has been to listen to uplifting, beautiful music. Earth sounds, chanting; whatever stops you from thinking. Our minds get too busy and chatter chatter chatter until we are just all wound up. Sometimes we have to just stop thinking and simply be. It helps to be while handling plants ~ that is a powerful way to connect to higher energies!

Consider yourself hugged, Avid and be cheered! There is much good in the world. There are good hearts beating across the globe. There are concerned minds focused on a better tomorrow. Many many many people want peace. Who knows what will happen, and yes there could always be a reign of chaos happening quickly, but even then it would be helpful to have a wealth of positive 'yesterdays' to strengthen us during such a time.

So today as I look around at all the miracles manifested right here before my eyes... I am filled with peace ~ and when tomorrow comes, whatever that may bring, I will be stronger because of this moment now.

I'm all for storing some cans in the cupboard; I am even more interested in becoming more self-sufficient ~ and not just as individuals but as communities. There may be a lot of 'sleepwalking' people but there are also a LOT of people coming together with sustainable living projects, community farms and so on. Reaching out to one another, offering comfort, sharing resources; this is what will help us to not only survive but to THRIVE with a new way of life where greed is no longer the ruling factor of EVERYTHING.

(whew!) :)

[asclepius888]

Survival mode is not negative train of thought, it is being prepared in readiness for some unforeseeable emergency that might cause harm or even death. An example, 2 canoeist capsize in rapid waters, one panics out of fear and drowns, while the other instinctively decides to ride out the rapids to more calmer waters and increases his/her chances of survival. When the Yk2 happen, many took preventative measures only to feel either foolish or relieved the next day, yet it should have been seen as a firedrill.

[historycircus]

For those who wish not to debate the merits of a survivor mentality any longer, see the thread I just created called "For Survivors Eyes Only." It is a place for those who wish to get down to the business of preparation for defense can do so.

Thank you.

HistoryCircus

[Jenny]

Historycircus...

I feel your input at this time and how you present this..is pivotal to what Avalon is trying to achieve.

Bare with us..mods ..we will think this over very seriously.

Jenny

[Shellie]

After watching this forum for 3 weeks, it has finally dawned upon me:

First of all, there are TWO Whatever's taking place; the one that is starting to happen now (economy, elections etc) and the one that is *supposed* to happen in the next 4 years.

Here is the difference; Whatever I is man-made, and for many people who have just woken up, very scary.

Whatever II is probably NOT going to be man-made (or if it is, it will not be readily identified as such by the public).

Now, here is the practical difference: there is little disparity between the messages of say, George Green vs. Michael StClair. George Green and his camp are concerned with Whatever I; Michael StClair and David Wilcock are concerned with Whatever II.

History has shown us that in times of (local natural) cataclysm, people for the most part trust each other and bond together very well to support each other in things like earthquakes, fires, famines, volcanoes, floods etc. History has also shown that when chaos ensues because of man-made factors, people lose all trust in each other and tend to treat each other as the enemy, even if they previously were good neighbors (think Christians and Muslims in the Balkans).

IMHO, Whatever I is very much an old-paradigm situation that for good or bad will require a lot of old-paradigm thinking and preparation. Whatever II will be very much a new-paradigm situation where old-paradigm thinking and behaving (reacting) will be medieval and backwards.

We need to utilize both methods of preparation. Those who are thinking of spiritual ideals and nothing else will be in for a rough ride when Whatever I starts to affect them... but people more prepared for Whatever I will also need to keep the final goal of 10 years from now in focus so they don't turn into negative and destructive "survivalists".

AND, let's dissect this idea of a survivalist... a survivalist is someone who just barely eeks through when tshtf (which is any situation that you don't like and don't have control over). Even if we are preparing for the physical aspects of "survival", that is not enough. We need to prepare to THRIVE. Let's not be survivors, let's be thrivers. We don't need to create our own problems in order to define ourselves.

[showmemo]

I do not see myself as being afraid as for being a realist nor do I want to be caught with my pants down in any situation. Yes to be rescued by aliens would be grand yet it is hard to fathom a race that would want to rescue another that expects it. As it would not be a learning experience it is as though you can do whatever than it is alright the ET's will help us, I ask why would they for what reason when everyone would lay down as sheep. I would want a fighter someone who is able to have the heart and WILL to survive as that is what would be needed. You have to think of the past of the men and women who lived on homesteads,farms and in the hilly rough country, they where rough survivors who produced their own food and traded for what they needed it is the mind set of working together whether a family or communitee to survive.

As for when your time is up it is up I agree but one must be able to survive you think the ET's are going to be the U.N. I highly doubt it as they would exspect peoples who can survive as the new world might be rough a new beggining it may have less people and the wally world may not be around. You have your thoughts and they make sense to a few peoples around the world and may agree with some form of it,yet at the end of the day I believe they (ET's) want people like the NATIVES around the world who where one with nature used all of what they had and had no need for waste.

There is no fear here I have my eyes open as well as my mind life is good and yes there is storage and seeds it is a gift to be living in these times that have been told of in proficies and in stories from natives to ones touched, what a gift from the higher power!

:trumpet:

[Scooby]

Just click your heels together and say I'll be alright if I just think good thoughts. Sorry I mean this just like it sounds, What a crock of BS. God loves the prepared Man. Remember the parable of the man that built his house on sand and the man that built his house on rock? There are hundreds of examples in God's word that say as much. Now I mean no disrespect but I wonder what the real motive here is. There is no fear when you have real faith but God gave you a brain and a body to sustain your spirit . To say you can over come the coming problems with good thoughts or not having fear is crazy. Smart preparation is using God given talents and reason, anything else to me is a lie of the enemy. Fear is not modus operandi to live under of course but thats like a soldier laying down his arms and running headlong into the opposing army saying "I'm not Afraid, they cant hurt me" LOL sorry please but this is bad info that can effect the weak of mind or unlearned. please be careful you dont cause your brothers and sisters to be led asstray or you may pay a high price when you reach your judgement in the council of the god's one day. God's richest blessings~~

[Sol Invictus]

I take both views.

When i am in the mountains in deep midwinter, I prepare, check, test and check and test again to make sure every thing and anything I am carrying is working.

Trusting it to work is not knowing it will work.

Big difference.

Secondly, survival.

If a huge flood hit a city, who would be better prepared? the man who has alot of stored wtaer and food along side a boat, or the man who trusted every thing would be OK? See Texas coast and New Orleans for your answer...

BUT......


Instincts. Trust them over every thing else. I have led a life guided by instinct and 'feeling' and it has kept me always in the right place at the right time, or out of the wrong place at the wrong time.

What i am trying to say is that yes, do what 'feels' right, but prepare for a world where things go wrong.

[Carrie Todd]

I agree that preparation is important; therefore, I'll check out Historycirces's thread. I also believe that a sound mind and a peaceful heart are necessary in any avenue you take, as well as, however you approach whatever is coming. Peace be to you.

[giovonni]

After watching this forum for 3 weeks, it has finally dawned upon me:

First of all, there are TWO Whatever's taking place; the one that is starting to happen now (economy, elections etc) and the one that is *supposed* to happen in the next 4 years.

Here is the difference; Whatever I is man-made, and for many people who have just woken up, very scary.

Whatever II is probably NOT going to be man-made (or if it is, it will not be readily identified as such by the public).

Now, here is the practical difference: there is little disparity between the messages of say, George Green vs. Michael StClair. George Green and his camp are concerned with Whatever I; Michael StClair and David Wilcock are concerned with Whatever II.

History has shown us that in times of (local natural) cataclysm, people for the most part trust each other and bond together very well to support each other in things like earthquakes, fires, famines, volcanoes, floods etc. History has also shown that when chaos ensues because of man-made factors, people lose all trust in each other and tend to treat each other as the enemy, even if they previously were good neighbors (think Christians and Muslims in the Balkans).

IMHO, Whatever I is very much an old-paradigm situation that for good or bad will require a lot of old-paradigm thinking and preparation. Whatever II will be very much a new-paradigm situation where old-paradigm thinking and behaving (reacting) will be medieval and backwards.

We need to utilize both methods of preparation. Those who are thinking of spiritual ideals and nothing else will be in for a rough ride when Whatever I starts to affect them... but people more prepared for Whatever I will also need to keep the final goal of 10 years from now in focus so they don't turn into negative and destructive "survivalists".

AND, let's dissect this idea of a survivalist... a survivalist is someone who just barely eeks through when tshtf (which is any situation that you don't like and don't have control over). Even if we are preparing for the physical aspects of "survival", that is not enough. We need to prepare to THRIVE. Let's not be survivors, let's be thrivers. We don't need to create our own problems in order to define ourselves.

A diamond in the rough, very logical and well put, giovonni

[Malletzky]

Dear ALL,
I'm new here on the forum, but I'm following both PC and PA almost since the begining. I'm currently living in Germany, english and german are not my mother languages. So sorry for any "mistakes" in my writings:thumb_yello:

Just wanted to state my point of view on this thread:

Actually, both sides are right. Our free will must be respected as we turn our choice about beeing prepaired (for what???) or not (is this wise??).

But, for all of you who are still afraid of what is to come (I also do not know what, but I am looking forward to it :trumpet:):

my inner feelings do not allow me to fear at all. I think, I'm just above this feeling since more then 2 years now. I feel and I am convinced that my "mission" here and now is not completed yet. I feel that I have SOO MUCH to do here, even if I still do not know what:lmfao::lmao:

But I know that, as usual, my guides, whoever "they" may be, will show me the right way. Since I learned to trust "them" and trust the inner voice that guides me in this times, I am more then ever convinced that nothing will happen of which we should be afraid. And if we ALL must "die", then well, this is also OK for me. Since I know that only our body can die, this is not so important any more.

So trust your self and do what YOUR inner voice tells you to do! Hear deep in your hearth about where this voayage is going to. Find the answers in your self, don't be afraid to look for it. No matter what the outcome will be!!!

Just don't let your ego to mislead you!!!
If after finding your answers you still feel it's OK to be afraid and you feel an urgent need to prepare, please do so!!

I certainly will not! What will come, should come!! And I feel this will be some Wonderful times!!! And you're all :welcomeani: to step into the new!!!

Thanks to Karry and Bill for their "guidance" in this times!!
BR from Germany!!!

[Jezzandor]

Here are some good sites:

http://www.dkfoundation.co.uk/RedLettersIntro.htm
(where to go to be safe before TSHTF)

http://www.underground-hip-hop-mixtapes.com/musicNewsDetail.aspx?ID=52
(how to prepare for food shortages)

http://www.frugalsquirrels.com/cgi-bin/ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=044387;p=1
(this guy lived through the economic meltdown in Argentina in '01, and has much practical, hard-earned knowledge)

http://hfes.org.au/
(these folks are all about raising vibrations to avert cataclysm, based on thousands of years-old teachings of Hermes Trismegistus, and their technology is based on blessed energies. It's hard to explain but works miraculously well.)

and of course:
http://www.whatthebleep.com/


Over the last six months I've been purging all my possessions, giving them to friends, to Freecyclye, to charity shops, keeping only the essentials. I feel so much lighter, and ready. I'm waiting for my house sale to go through, and then I'm gonna put my money where my mouth is and make a new start - be the change I want to see! I've spent the last two weeks looking on the internet for guidance and support. With Mercury Retrograde it really feels like now is the time to firm up and get serious about these plans, and trust our intuition.

The future will be miraculous, but you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs!

Glad to know there are brothers and sisters out there.

[Oneness]

I have been reported for speaking what needs to be said, survival is the only way. Do you really think that spirituality will save you...ha no way.

There are people like me that will own you, I will come to your house because you are weak and will take everything from you, In essense, I will own you.

Guns, training and the will to do whatever it takes will own you.

You cannot will me or others away, we will not stop until we have what you posses. If you are not prepared to fight, you will lose.

Do you think the government will let you do whatever you want, they will be first, they will round you up and make an example of you. They do not care about you, only themselves.

We are talking about the survival of all humans, dancing around a drum circle will not stop anything but your own life. Hide, evade and survive, that is the way to make it.



Surviving is directly proportionate to 3rd dimensional conciousness. I beleive it's called the egoistic mind. Energy stemming from that which is said to be the reptilian part of our brain.

:mfr_lol: ...fast forward this clip to 2:10...and watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNsosU0fXy0

Quoting Morpheous from the Matrix about dodging bullets. ......... "Neo....when you you're ready.........you won't have to."

If you ask me... If you change what you see in the mirror.... you change whats being reflected.

There is only One of us here.

And I think that's what we are all waking up to.

Namaste.

[historycircus]

Well, for those of us who plan on hanging out in third density for a while, and love it (if there is no lasagne in fouth density I will either commit fourth density suicide, or immediately begin meditation to move on the fifth), I'll feed the reptilian/egocentric part of my brain for as long as I can.

I don't live in the "Matrix," I live right here on planet earth. I like it here. I think I'll do everything I can to stay here for a while.

We'll miss all of you who move on the fourth density when your gone.

[sunnyrap]

I've found that calmly taking steps to address perceived challenges the best way I can helps me stay out of fear--and 9 times out of 10, what I feel adequately prepared for never happens. I think there is something almost metaphysical in that...

[minimeister]

Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear - not absence of fear.
Mark Twain

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Have the folks on the "think happy thoughts" bandwagon stopped to think about how self righteous you come across? You're implying that anyone that takes the time to be prepared is a knuckle dragging throw back to the great evil time of humanity. Is this the so called universal love you supposedly endorse? Did it ever occur to you that some people in this world may have been born with a great enough spiritual awareness to know how useless and hokey your new age platitudes are in the great scheme of things? Are you going to eat your copy "How to be more self absorbed through Transcendental Meditation"? And I'm ranting here a bit yes because the purpose of this site is to help prepare places of assistance if things get bad and this Polly Anna attitude is dangerously deceptive. What true spiritual master has ever advocated such ignorance? None that I'm aware of.

When/If hard times come where would you rather be, dear reader, in a community with the "happy thoughts will stop bullets" types or with the "better to have it and not need it then need it and not have it" types? I mean come on!

:lmao:

If you don't like what I'm saying then this definitely applies to you. I don't like it when people that are trying to actually better their situation get lead astray. If you think what I'm saying is just to promote fear than you are incapable of recognizing what real help looks like. After having read this forum over the last few weeks it's apparent that a bucket of cold water is what the situation calls for so please believe me when I say this is coming from a sincere desire to help.

OP, I did read your take on this and I'm not lumping you into my generalizations, nor trying to single anyone out. Thanks for the interesting thread. And also thanks to the user that started the "For Survivors Eyes Only" thread in an attempt to keep the purpose of this site in focus. I'm all about thriving versus surviving but last time I checked surviving was the prerequisite.

[Malletzky]

Well it's more then obvious that there are two different views of the whole situation about preparation for "what is to come".
As I already mentioned, it is ok for all of you, if you feel so, to take the neccesary steps and prepare...I DO NOT JUDGE!!
But why don't you, (all of you, who do feel the fear and prepare them self), why don't you just accept that there are some other here with different feelings about "what is to come"???

Not with different views or prophecies, but feelings!!!!
What I'm telling you is that WE ALL should try to find the balance between our earthly beeing and our spritualy beeing.

What makes you so sure there is nothing more then us, the people, being "here and now"? Don't you think there is something more then that?:thumb_yello:

Believe me, I do fear too. But remember to separate from:

being in fear FOR my life
being in fear ABOUT my life

When you'll learn and feel the difference here, you'll have no more fear about our "earthly being"!

According to the doom and gloom predictions, the parts of Germany where I live will dissapear!! All gone under watter!!

So what? Should I now get crazy and stopp living this only life of which I can remember because of this? Only to do some preparation, which will obviously not help much longer then 20-30 days? No!!

As someone said before, I also love lasagne and all our other "eartly" pleasures. I LOVE all that is on this earth and love all of you.

I'm just trying to show you that there may also be another points of view here! Not more and not less.
And I'm sure that all others who feel the same as I do, they are also only trying to help in their own way.

So don't judge over other who eventually feel something different that you do! We're all together here in this mess, so let's make the best of it and find our way together out of this!!! Even if this means "to prepare", for "what ever is to come"!!!

P.S. It's not only about the "think happy thoughts" and self righteousy here.
It's about us. I only wish you could all feel the same what I feel!!!

It's all about feelings!!!!!!!!!!!

[Zira]

There is no better preperation than that. Survivor mode is based on fear. Fear about what "might happen", and fear about "the future". This fear will block your inner peace and clarity. It will block your ability to relax and actually percieve "what is going on". Security does not come from having a bunker under your house etc. It comes from trust. Trust that you are were you are supposed to be and that you and all your loved ones will die when their time is up. No sooner and no later. You cannot escape death when your time is up no matter what. Existance knows what it's doing:original: In fact, it is the only one who really knows...the rest of us must learn to trust it and enjoy the ride!:trumpet:

The name of the game is not "survival" as Socrates mentions in his famous Apology. It is doing what FEELS right and avoid doing what FEELS wrong. If you do not feel a strong inner urge to relocate you can trust that you are were you are supposed to be. Trust in Existance and not in all sorts of "outside sources" and "dire predictions".

Utter nonsense.I have intellect and use it accordingly.When I'm hunbgry I eat,and it has nothing to do with fear,but rather sustenance.When I prepare for hard times it is based on knowledge of current trends,not fear of what might transpire.

[dbdowlin]

Hi, I'd like to ad my thoughts to the general forum "all" :)

If one is focused upon survival, then such a focus determines their experience of reality. It is not to say that an experience of reality is the focus of survival because if one views reality as what one must survive, then reality is against one. Survival is a struggle against reality (nature). Survival does not count the fact that life works with life to meet all of one’s needs. The universe will provide. The universe meets our needs, and when our needs are met (when we meet our own needs, for we are the universe), then we can focus on other things such as exploration and personal growth. We could develop a philosophy of life which allows us to live in harmony with each other and nature (ways of Love) instead of within conflict against each other and nature (ways of fear). When one must survive, then one lives from paycheck to paycheck, foraging for food every day, never THRIVING, never saving, never evolving, always stagnant in one’s needs to maintain one’s life, never growing beyond one’s most basic needs – never building hyperdrive engines or free energy (which makes the reality of SURVIVAL a moot point). The universe provides. It takes action. If a check comes in the mail, you still have to check the mail and cash the check. Abundance is more real than survival.





Now, when a mother teaches and has Love for her child, the question is: does Love help a child to survive, or free a child from having to survive – allowing a child to grow free from struggle, so that struggle is not an inner manifestation of reality; and instead a perpetuation of growth becomes the reality of a child taught to Love, with Love. Survival and Love are different. Fear is survival. If one must survive, then one lives in fear, and does not know the universe provides and that there is always more than enough to go around; there is no limit of resources which will manifest from the infinite sea of the spring of life. If one lives in/with/as Love, the universe provides, and effortlessly does one grow to blossom. Do not fear change. As a child grows into an adult, there is a change.






You create your reality, in the most remarkable of ways. The frequency at which you resonate can either be one of Love or fear. Both have their own unique experiences of reality. Love and fear is a paradox. They cannot co-exist in the same frame of reality.

That essentially is what the Shift, and the AScension is about.

There are a number of parallel realities intermerged on Earth. Like on a radio dial, tuning into the higher frequencies of love, tunes you into those realities.

When you look at the troubled aspects of reality, remember that you are actually looking into another person's universe -- not neccessarily your own.

Make YOUR choice, as how reality will be. And you will find yourself there.

It has always been the case, and it always will be.


Your thoughts and vibration manifest reality around you.

I'd love to go into the details of creation mechanics, but that's not the point of this reply. I just wanted to add my vibration not to what we must survive, but to the changes out of the lower chakra energies of survival, and into the higher chakra energies of abundance.



and please, don't fall for the tactics of the fear mongers especially at this time.

with unconditional Love and support

-- Drew

[Fun 4U Leader]

Hi, I'd like to ad my thoughts to the general forum "all" :)

If one is focused upon survival, then such a focus determines their experience of reality. It is not to say that an experience of reality is the focus of survival because if one views reality as what one must survive, then reality is against one. Survival is a struggle against reality (nature). Survival does not count the fact that life works with life to meet all of one’s needs. The universe will provide. The universe meets our needs, and when our needs are met (when we meet our own needs, for we are the universe), then we can focus on other things such as exploration and personal growth. We could develop a philosophy of life which allows us to live in harmony with each other and nature (ways of Love) instead of within conflict against each other and nature (ways of fear). When one must survive, then one lives from paycheck to paycheck, foraging for food every day, never THRIVING, never saving, never evolving, always stagnant in one’s needs to maintain one’s life, never growing beyond one’s most basic needs – never building hyperdrive engines or free energy (which makes the reality of SURVIVAL a moot point). The universe provides. It takes action. If a check comes in the mail, you still have to check the mail and cash the check. Abundance is more real than survival.





Now, when a mother teaches and has Love for her child, the question is: does Love help a child to survive, or free a child from having to survive – allowing a child to grow free from struggle, so that struggle is not an inner manifestation of reality; and instead a perpetuation of growth becomes the reality of a child taught to Love, with Love. Survival and Love are different. Fear is survival. If one must survive, then one lives in fear, and does not know the universe provides and that there is always more than enough to go around; there is no limit of resources which will manifest from the infinite sea of the spring of life. If one lives in/with/as Love, the universe provides, and effortlessly does one grow to blossom. Do not fear change. As a child grows into an adult, there is a change.






You create your reality, in the most remarkable of ways. The frequency at which you resonate can either be one of Love or fear. Both have their own unique experiences of reality. Love and fear is a paradox. They cannot co-exist in the same frame of reality.

That essentially is what the Shift, and the AScension is about.

There are a number of parallel realities intermerged on Earth. Like on a radio dial, tuning into the higher frequencies of love, tunes you into those realities.

When you look at the troubled aspects of reality, remember that you are actually looking into another person's universe -- not neccessarily your own.

Make YOUR choice, as how reality will be. And you will find yourself there.

It has always been the case, and it always will be.


Your thoughts and vibration manifest reality around you.

I'd love to go into the details of creation mechanics, but that's not the point of this reply. I just wanted to add my vibration not to what we must survive, but to the changes out of the lower chakra energies of survival, and into the higher chakra energies of abundance.



and please, don't fall for the tactics of the fear mongers especially at this time.

with unconditional Love and support

-- Drew

Drew, what a wonderful concept, “Your love replaces all your need for fear!” I like that. I believe that is essentially what you, and others, are saying here, and I agree 100% or at least I thought I did. However, the “words” being used on both sides seem to keep circular thoughts going in people’s minds. Let me try to clarify up to a point, at least for myself, if not for the others. You will need to clarify from that point on.

Firstly, to simplify the definition, I submit to you that fear is, in effect, a person’s awareness of danger to themselves or someone else, whether that danger is real or imagined. That awareness can be in the form of a clear and present danger or can be in the form of a future and probable danger.

I’ll say it again, if a danger is perceived, then awareness occurs. This awareness occurs regardless if that danger, or possible danger, exists or not. Are you not aware of danger ever? If so, then you experience, fear. NOW comes the choices, agreed?

A thoughtful response, by some, I’ll call them group A, to this awareness is, “Love Conquers all Fear!” and the concern for the danger is dismissed and love abounds unabated. The reality of that person is not changed by the awareness of possible danger.

When the time comes for real time action, (and this is where I am adding my own understanding, if you can agree) these same group A persons act not out of fear, but act and believe this to be a lesson or experience in love and negotiate the detour or whatever action is needed, by applying love, at the moment, in the now. All physical items that will be needed will be provided when the time for action is required. This, in my view, fits one aspect of the term fearlessness. Depending on ones perspective, this fearlessness can be said to be either courageous or foolhardy. (Am I correct to this point?)

What others, I’ll call them group B, agree to be the normal first reaction to the awareness of danger, is concern. This concern manifests itself in thoughts and then possible actions. These actions may be warnings, preparations, or whatever. However, the point being made is that they hold onto the concern, in their mind, and thus hold also onto the fear that is manifested. Then, it can be said that these people’s fears become real to them, and for them, fear exists and they are said to be in fear.

I see that, for group B, there are three possible reactions to the awareness of danger, and fear? Two are the normal responses, fight the danger, or flight (turn and move away to avoid the danger). The third is paralysis, in which the person freezes and does not or cannot move in any direction.

The fight response can be immediate and result in attacking headlong straight into the danger in order to destroy it or repel it, irrespective of size, numbers, abilities, or technologies involved. The danger will be removed at all cost to oneself. This, in my view, fits a second aspect of the term fearlessness. This behavior can also be said to be courageous or foolhardy, depending on perspective.



The paradox?!

For the love conscious ones to disdain self-professed survivors because survivor mode is an irrelevant state of being, it reeks of high mindedness and elitism. This is an offense from the onset.

For you to say, in effect, that tuning yourself in to love (frequencies) tunes you out of fear (frequencies) so that fear, and the awareness of danger, no longer exists in your reality, stretches the definition of fear and also stretches the definition of danger.

Now, here is where it gets sticky for me (no offence to Sticky :>). What I hear you saying is that, in love, there is no awareness of, no acknowledgment of, and no reaction to fear. In essence, fear does not exist in the presence of your love consciousness frequencies. I submit that for you, or anyone to say that, in love, fear does not exist, is also saying that, in love, danger does not exist. Is that truly what you are agreeing to by your words? Does love conquer and remove all danger from existence in your reality? Before you answer, “Warning, I sense thin ice under that one.” There could be danger in proclaiming that danger does not exist, if your get my meaning.

Wait, back up the truck here. This reminds me of the saying that “Ignorance is Bliss!” For you to experience the “Bliss” of love, you must “ignore” danger? Whoa! One of us is off the tracks here. What I hear you to mean does not compute on any level; not by faith, not by consciousness, nor by experience. This seems to be the crux of the matter and you will need to expand on this for me, please. For in truth, I am not yet convinced.

Lastly, I have avoided the use of the “survivor” word before now, because it is thrown around in so many conflicting usages. “Survivor,” is a noun, a person who has survived until now, and that includes all of us. “Survivor mode,” is a state of being.

Note, there are many negative experiences in this existence that one can suffer prior to death. Survivors in survivor mode will undoubtedly sacrifice themselves to the point of death. They do this in order that “other loved ones” will continue to survive above mere existence.

Survivors remain concerned and prepared as best as they can, to diminish the lasting effects of war, hunger, thirst, uncertainty, fear (terror), fatigue, boredom, chaos, casualties, death, destruction, and despicable filth, especially during those desperate times when the situation has deteriorated beyond all expectations, probably won’t get any better, and could easily get worse!

That ultimate sacrifice, that last desperate act of love, does not seem to fit as a viable option in your love consciousness activates, thereby making them seem selfish and undesirable to us love challenged survivors. You do not appear to be in service to others, only yourself. You have failed to consider or to reconcile this point, since from your view, it does not exist. That is easy for you, but not for me.

“Don’t fear the change,” you say. In your love consciousness, how bad do you expect the change to be and, how far do you say that it can go? Beginning in 1876, poor judgment by Chairman Mao resulted in a famine whereby 9.5 – 13 MILLION Chinese people starved to death in just three years. By thought alone, does your love consciousness change (avoid) future events such as this, or does it just remove YOU out of the possible scenario? Oh, right! That would be someone else’s reality, not yours. Are you sure? I can agree with, “Live and love in the now, and do not fear the future!” But, there is more that I am missing.

So, if the universe provides, when do I stop holding out my hand, knowing that it is not really empty, yet expecting it to be filled, and DO SOMETHING? What do I do today, that relieves me of any concern for tomorrow? It seems like it would be a hard thing, but you make it sound way to easy. It seems like you are saying that, “With fear, you cannot get there from here. But, with love, you are already there.” Is it really as simple as making a choice, now, and holding that choice for as long as there is a now?



So, with all that said, where do I learn more about the higher chakra energies of abundance?

Peace and love,

[Wolfladyk]

that's a blanket statement. Many are in some level of survival mode because they choose to be prepared, not because they fear the future. I look forward to it regardless of what it may hold because it's an adventure, a challenge.



sounds like something Rice or Chertoff might say -- advice which i'd rather not subscribe to. Change doesn't come by doing nothing.

if someone is going to hit me in the head with a hammer, i'll take evasive action and not get hit rather than accepting my "destiny" and bleed.

I agree! If the NWO is going to take out 90% of the population one way or the other, then how can doing nothing be a realistic option? I also agree that fear itself is a huge enemy, but i would have rather tried and died then die knowing I SHOULD have done something, but did nothing instead.

Hugs to all!
Wolf

[Steven]

Balance in all things. If one makes the change/preparation to live according to the New Paradigm for planet Earth and Hu-manity, one needs to listen to the intelligence of the Heart. It is not stagnancy, it is Wisdom. This Wisdom will instruct you what to do, when to do.

Here is a small real example that happened in Asia: http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3413

Sanat, I understand your post and you surely do not mean not to prepare. Thank you for this marvelous post.

Namaste, Steven

[martina]

I think this is the quintessence of our existence.
I live in Amsterdam, below sealevel, but I will not move, before I have no fear at all, and even than, I don't know, if I go.
We must be prepared to give up our lifes to be alive.
Now Mankind has to make a choice : being a slave or being free.
This is what it is all about.

[Steven]

...Feeling is a very very underdeveloped faculty in human beings.
Thinking is very very OVERdeveloped in human beings.

This imbalance causes all this fear.

Developing the ability to feel really well is what this shift is all about.
Developing the heart.

Zjenny

Wise words Jenny, I totally agree.

Intellect over working is causing all this noise inside of most people. Add to it a deep but steady feeling of calming down and listening the inside calling and we get what we call "Stress". As long as one do not calm down his mind and master his thoughts, it will be hard to listen the voice that dwells in one's Heart.

Of course, it is non-sens for one who is far away form his Heart and use exclusively his brain.

Namaste, Steven

[whitecrow]

Feeling is a very very underdeveloped faculty in human beings.
Thinking is very very OVERdeveloped in human beings.

Talk about different perspectives on things...I'd say just the opposite. People seem to me to be all about how they "feel" about things. There are exceptions, but much of the time this is unproductive, shallow and selfish.

For the most part it looks to me like thinking is a lost art. Thinking involves logic (another lost art), analysis, connecting dots in new ways. It takes effort. I just don't see much of it.

[whitecrow]

There is no better preperation than that. Survivor mode is based on fear. Fear about what "might happen", and fear about "the future". This fear will block your inner peace and clarity. It will block your ability to relax and actually percieve "what is going on". Security does not come from having a bunker under your house...

This is a GREAT expression of grounded hope! I truly agree with all you said. All the same, as someone else said...

On the other hand, I also don't intend to be a sitting duck either.

I know that I will never again keep money in the bank, keep less than a few weeks' food and water stored, or give up my network and my friends in the gulch. In this way, the events of the last few years have changed me and my approach to life.

At the same time, this is something I really have always foreseen. And I have lived my life for this time. I know I am where I should be at this time, and I am doing what I should be doing. In this way I have found great serenity and peace, which nothing can disturb.

When my belly was full my spirit was poor. Now that my belly has drawn in, my cup runneth over. Go figure.

[Sanat]

Glad to see this thread is alive and kicking:original:!

Our world has been based upon fear for so long that we have forgotten other ways. We are here now to remember what was forgotton long ago. So many lives lived and still we fear death? We sign up for a destiny and then we try our best to escape it? Hehe. Very strange indeed. It's a wonderful world is it not. All is possible at all times for all eternity.

The greeks knew about destiny. Oedipus Rex trying his best to escape from the prophecy about him ("You shall kill your father and marry your mother"), and this "trying to escape" is exactly what fulfills that destiny. They knew about irony there in the ancient greece. There is a sense of humor to it all.

I will quote from the Manual (http://www.soulwise.net/et-101.htm) about fear:

We have noticed that you pretend to value truth on this planet. Some spend a lifetime seeking it. Your legal systems demand it, and you can be sued if your business doesn’t practice it. Your philosophers define it, your scientists measure it, your religions exalt it, and you all fight over it. Meanwhile, all you are doing is paying global lip service to it. There is an excellent reason for all this: You have no idea what truth really is.

How the obvious has escaped you is a tedious story. The abridged version of it amounts to this: You embraced fear. After that unholy act, it has been downhill ever since. Fear is the first lie, the lie that tells you that you are separated from the whole. Once it has been embraced, you are incapable of ever telling the truth under any circumstances without blowing the game.

Truth, by its nature, is the light. Fear cannot, by its nature, be in the light without dying. It becomes a simple matter of self interest. Fear has owned this planet, its people, and their systems for a long time. It does not wish to give up the property it has acquired because it is a parasitic life form that cannot live separated from your life forces.

The truth is, you are the truth. It is not external to you, as you have been led to believe. For that reason, it is ludicrous to set out on a spiritual journey in search of it. It is likewise ridiculous to punish those who do not practice it when almost nobody on this planet does. As for philosophizing over it, how can you when you wouldn’t recognize it if it ran you over in the street? Meanwhile, measuring it is done in your attempt to dominate it, leading you further into the lie that it lives outside of you like an enemy that must be controlled. To exalt it is also to see it as separate. And fighting over it is so absurd as to not deserve our comment at all.

The totality of your clinically insane behavior surrounding truth has been cleverly manipulated by fear in its attempt to keep your eyes off the truth. In this manner, fear was able to continue uninterrupted and undetected in its process of eating you alive. But don’t worry—there is a cure. All you need do is awaken to the fact that you are the truth. As the light comes on, the parasite will die, leaving you joyously able to reclaim command.

In the Light of Love and Gratitude for this opportunity to evolve out of Fear,

Sanat

[Bubbls]

Thanks Sanat, I have been living in survivor mode for the past few months and that's put a positive angle on everything that has been worrying me.

[Sanat]

Thanks Sanat, I have been living in survivor mode for the past few months and that's put a positive angle on everything that has been worrying me.

That is great to hear my friend! It means that you are growing stronger in Spirit. Fear does not stand a chance...

Love/Light,

Sanat