Important Question for George Greene

[Jeremiad]

Hey guys and gals!


So I've been enjoying a lot of videos and interviews with George Greene lately (currently watching the one Kerry and Bill did with him earlier this year), and I must say I find all of his information incredibly fascinating. Thank you guys so much for taking the time to put his story on tape.

However, one thing has been bothering me tremendously about his story, and I wanted to get other Project Avalon members' take on the subject.

One of George's big issues is this deal with overpopulation. How humanity has become too vast and is using up all the resources on Earth. I've come across a lot of people who agree on this overpopulation idea, so I wanted to figure it out myself, and did a few math equations (though, math is certainly not my strong point), and what I came up with startled me a bit.

See, I took the population density of New York City, which has a population of about 8 million or so people. I then applied that to the entire world (I rounded it up to 7 billion for ****s and giggles), and if we were to stick all of humanity in the same population density as NYC, we'd get a giant megacity about 725 miles by 725 mile.

I know this sounds incredibly large, and it certainly is by anyone's standards, but if you take that, and put it on the globe, it's about half the size of Alaska. Yes this is incredibly large, and no, not everyone wants to live like that. However, I ask you to take out half the the size of Alaska, and then look at everything else.

I refuse to believe that all that's left of the uninhabited area of Earth could not feed our population. Not only that, but if you couple it with the fact that free unlimited energy is a fact that has been hidden from the populace, then how on Earth could we not sustain not only the people living today, but the people to come for at least a hundred years or so?

Mr. Greene seems to be an intelligent man capable of making such a calculation, so why base everything on this fact that humanity is this cancer eating our planet? Yes, we are using up the resources, but only because the powers that be want to make a buck. If we had the power of free unlimited energy, then we wouldn't need to be destroying the rain forests, or drilling up all the worlds oil.

I'm curious to hear everyone's take on this. Maybe my calculations are wrong, or maybe there's something that I'm not taking into account. But it seems like there's something missing here and it's a little fishy to me.

Thanks for your input!

- J

[whitecrow]

One of George's big issues is this deal with overpopulation. How humanity has become too vast and is using up all the resources on Earth. I've come across a lot of people who agree on this overpopulation idea, so I wanted to figure it out myself, and did a few math equations (though, math is certainly not my strong point), and what I came up with startled me a bit.


Jeremiad, you bring up excellent points. I congratulate you for being an independent thinker!

Others have done similar calculations. You're right, the earth does have the resources to support everyone although obviously the population can't simply continue to grow forever. Let me throw a couple other ideas into the mix...

Earth is a living thing, not a big rock to be mined. I know you know this, but my point is that besides us, there is a vast ecosystem that can be thrown badly out of kilter, and in fact has been. We are part of the system, not just sitting in a throne on top of it.

To build this hypothetical city, one would need an immense industry. Factories, cement plants, roads, sewer systems, power systems...imagine a place the size of NYC or Johannesburg or Tokyo with no power. It would be a kind of hell at first. Communities would spring up in individual buildings...high-rises where people would never climb up and down 100 flights of stairs.

Back to resources...when we say the Earth has enough for all, what exactly are we talking about? Enough for us all to live how? It wouldn't be much fun if we all existed in slums like they have in Haiti or Brazil, picking through piles of garbage, trying to scrounge enough to feed our families. On the other hand I don't see how we could all live like typical Americans or Europeans, with our big houses and our many toys.

[FractalCatalyst]

First I want to apologize up front if this goes too far off topic.

I have a hard time hearing about overpopulation from a supposedly trusted source considering the stinking globalist scumbags at the Club of Rome are the modern source of the "overpopulation" meme (and unevidenced hypothesis at best) as a justification for depopulation which is a newspeak name for mass murder or genocide.

We know Kissinger, Bush Sr. & drag wife, et. al. have publicly stated their disdain for the proles... disdain isn't even the word for it. Disregard? Schadenfreude? Anyhow, they've come right out and said they want to depopulate the earth by 80% which would leave a lush paradise for the 1% power elite who already own over 50% of the planet's resources to live a rich, transhumanist life devoid of the distasteful poor "natural" humans who will not join them in Ray Kurzweil's vision of techno-immortality for the wealthy.

Anybody see the Cartmanland episode of South Park, where Cartman buys a bankrupt theme park and gets to ride all the rides by himself with no lines, no waiting? Pure heaven until the systems started breaking down and needing maintenance and security. That's where the rest of us come in. They can't kill us all, nor do they want to. But 20% of 99% of 7 billion is still a looooooot of slaves.

To me, overpopulation is very much like the Global Warming meme (the threat, not the truth that "climates change"). Now damnit, even NASA doesn't deny that rapid climate change is occurring all over the solar system (Wilcock anyone?), all of which can be easily reconciled against solar-geomagnetic activity, so why do we have to put up with being told we're (the lower 99%) causing the Earth's problems and should voluntarily kill ourselves, stop breeding, and (for women) get on the Rockefeller Pill ASAP to trick your body unnaturally into what should be an occasional, natural but not perpetual hormonal imbalance, in the name of saving the planet from ourselves? It stinks of social control.

Yes, we need to be conscious of our ecosystems, watersheds and environmental impact.

Yes, condoms and B/C pills are the greatest thing to happen to human sexuality and female self-empowerment since the discovery of the Gaffenberg spot.

Yes, the climate is changing.

And yeah, we're probably evolving beyond the need for artificial nation-state boundaries and towards a bio-regional form of governance that takes care of the entire ecosystem, people included, with some form of international agreement over how trade is carried out and peace is maintained in the face of powerful sociopaths.

It's the propagandization of these important truths -- the amalgamation with ******** lies and divisive memes -- that's the most dangerous. This is why we (omnivores) cook meat before eating it... the parasites always come in with the protein, but it's no reason not to enjoy the benefits of the meat if you can properly disable the parasitic component by holding it to the fire.

What do we know about Green's background? As helpful as he appears to be trying to be, he very well could have drank some of the elitest kool-aid on such control memes such as overpopulation and global warming, possibly without realizing it. It's easy. That Texas professor who came out last year to say that humanity needs a big die-off was met with thunderous applause. It seems that George Green would have been one of those palm-slappers in the audience. But this doesn't negate his overall message, although it may have been planted within him to marginalize and contain his message, which is the most effective control game ever devised since the democratization of media to sanitize the truth against popular radical action.

Sorry to rant in circles, but I guess my point is that as we assimilate all this whistleblower testimony which does amount to hearsay and in many cases only confirms what we already know because it consists often entirely of non-new information from popular conspiracy lore, it's incredibly important to practice discernment. Discernment and intuition are the only defenses we have against the growing onslaught of new information, and they must be developed quickly so as to minimize the disabling power of disinformation piggybacking on new (or confirmed) truths.

9/11 is a perfect example. Does it matter if a plane hit the Pentagon? Does it matter if there were missles, particle beams, etc.? Not one bit. It doesn't even matter if Dr. Jones can deduce the use of thermate cutter charges to bring down the towers, or that Building 7 had a perfect controlled demolition crimp obvious to anyone in the CD business. None of it matters. What matters is who benefitted, where the money flowed and when, and who was the source of the obvious lies and confusion that allowed the situation to happen and then to go completely uninvestgiated. You can build maps of these associations and the clustering of names and activities makes it clear who was responsible and what the game is. Talking about pods, holograms, space weapons and Global Hawks does NOTHING for popularizing 9/11 truth but damage and discredit the entire thing to a deeply disaffected and heavily programmed/conditioned populace, so most of the "useless eaters" out there just disregard it all as nonsense thanks to this kind of parasitic disinfo. The tide is turning in public consciousness of the high crimes of 9/11, NO THANKS to any of these super-helpful self-styled experts that have popped out of the woodwork with extraneous and exotic hypotheses (can't even call them theories) which mean abo****e zilch to what would be a complicated but crystal-clear public prosecution of various parties involved.

Environmental and global consciousness are the same way. These things are evolving, at least in our circles of people who are actually paying attention to what's going on in the world and in many cases feel an intense calling to somehow help humanity through this transition. In the meantime, the current forces in power will do literally anything to maintain their control or slow progress enough to gain a foothold in the new paradigm, including co-opting the paradigm with their own experts who give us tasty morsels of truth wrapped in greasy, toxic strips of utter tripe.

I expect that goes double or triple for deep-black insiders who go on-camera for Bill & Kerry to spill whatever beans they've been allowed to take. If I were at the top of one of these global black-world crime syndicates wielding ET tech and more, I'd be sure to fill everybody under me with at least 10% unique ******** to make it easier to detect and automatically contain information leaks.

Dig?

Man, I gotta lay off the espresso. :lol3:

[ChooseYourLifeNow]

A thought came to mind while I was reading your post. I thought about our current state of human evolution, and from what has been said, it seems that we are very very behind.

I think if we had evolved correctly, if we had advanced as we could have without "alien intervention", then our population would not have been an issue because we would have been allowed to visit and populate other planets. But, because of the apparent alien take-over of our planet, we are just breeding and expanding without evolutionary expansion.

When we finally discover our true selves, then population will not be an issue.

I too thought for a while "yeah, if we just had less people then things wouldn't be so bad for our planet," but now I appreciate our world and all of it's inhabitants. We are all here to fight these evil forces and guide each other into the next step of our evolution. Our souls have chosen to be here and are just itching to wake up.

Love you all,

CYLNow

[TAXMASTER]

I am almost ashamed to say this but I must. I was in an auto accident in 1990 that left me paralyzed in 1 arm and below my nipple area. I was fortunate to have been a high school drop out that went back to school in the 80's and got an accounting degree and have been self sufficiant. Although I require home healthcare to get me up and bathed in the morning and put to bed at night, my health insurance costs me over $1000 per month. I am now a CPA and have my own office. I live in a small midwestern city that is dying from lack of industry that moved out in the late 70's. I see a lot of people during income tax season. You would be surprised at the number of people who are:

1. on public assistance
2. on disability
3. trying to get disability
4. on public assistance but working for cash in the underground economy

When I see someone in my office being supported by their wife and they tell me they are trying to get their disability, I think to myself, I would kill to trade bodies with you. We have bred whole families that live on public assistance and they have lots of kids that taxpayers pay for that grow up knowing every kind of government giveaway that there is and they feel entitled to anything that they can get.

It is only getting worse. There are more of them than there are working chaps. remember the movie cinderella man (russel crowe) when it was an embarassment to take the government dole? He even paid it back after he made some money.

I am sorry to say that there does need to be some kind of cleansing. If everyone contributed to society then it would be a much different world. over 35 percent of americans are living or substantially living on government subsistance of some sort.

Namaste'

[FractalCatalyst]

Well Taxmaster, you've certainly got an undeniably valuable perspective on the subject, but I can't help but think that any of those folks who do end up taking care of themselves and their own through financial collapse or anything else we're supposed to put up with throughout this transitionary period certainly would deserve to live in the new world they help create.

Not to sound like a social darwinist, but any of these folks that can't add enough value to the lives of others in some way to get whatever they need from others to make it through this harsh winter of civilization are pretty well destined for personal extinction, so in a sick, cold way it's kind of a non-issue, isn't it?

You've obviously proven that adding value to the lives of others doesn't even require an able body, just a sound mind and a strong will to succeed. Is this the real manifestation of the biblical prophecy of Judgement Day? Just the natural effect of people weeding themselves out?

You've given me much to consider.

Peace

[8080028]

The opinion that there 'needs to be a cleansing' is understandable from two positions as I see it.

One is the one you just outlined, there are a mass of what the elite term úseless eaters' out there. How are these people supposed to contribute to the new society we need to make and why would want them there? F#$k em, let em die.
We work for what we get and so we deserve it. They sit on their asses and get welfare and so they deserve nothing.
Actually, while we are at it, poor people don't contribute much either. The really poor ones. F#$k them too. They are just a burden on the rest of us. in fact why not have a cut off point? You must contribute this much to be allowed to progress.....

Once you start to think like that you are on the same rationale as the elite who are our problem. Its a type of divide and conquer again. I wouldn't be surprised when we are successful in overcoming these people and are looking back at what happened to find that exactly that had been an arrangement put in place. I mean that they have probably at some level said that through the business world it will be decided who gets to stay alive, the successful ones. Pass a magic number of money gathered and buy your golden ticket to the future!

I would guess that a lot if not all here would share my sentiments in that personally if I was to be offered a seat on a bus journey of more than ten minutes beside the type of arrogant, self-serving, aggressive, soul-less people who are the most successful business people in the world I would walk.

But the fact is that in this system that they have built the elite have created a filter for the worst traits in people. The business world and its atmosphere attract the worst types of people to the top. It also takes in ok people and moulds them into corporate machines, by the pressure to succeed.

Meanwhile those that don't want to or are not able to take part get marginalised and pressurised. The business machine is all encompassing, and if you ain't in it you ain't gonna make any money. If you don't make any money you are a failure and you should, and do, feel bad. Loser! You deserve it, you should get off your ass and get into business!
This is well established now and like the sheep we are we accept it when we should not!

Everyone works their ass off because 'things are tight'. Things seem to always be tight though, until you get to the top of the paylist, where things are anything but tight. Plenty of cash up there. Therefore we are told to aspire to get to the top. But ordinary dickheads like us will NEVER get to the top. Its like Ányone can be president'. LOL.

Anyway, I digress slightly. people on welfare are there for a couple of reasons.
1. They are unable to work. Legitimate people injured and unable to work for some reason.
2. They are scamming it.

The people unable to work are no problem to me. If they are legit then fine.
They are either injured or have lost their jobs.
If they have lost their jobs they need a scheme where they are placed in or offered new jobs and they need to have their allowance reduced incrementally as time goes on (not a long time) until they must find their own job or take one thats offered.

The people scamming it are scamming it because they can.
In this case the system needs to be changed so that they can't.

In both cases the solution is in the system not in the people. In the UK now a big thing in the media is immigrants on welfare. Well its hardly the peoples fault taking it if they can get it, they have nothing! If I was skint and went to a country where I could get welfare money so easily I would do it too. Its not the peoples fault its the system.

Knowing what we know about the 'systems' in our society, and who put them there, we should be able to see that this problem with welfare people is yet another contrived situation to make humans feel bad about ourselves and make us believe the overpopulation ********. Make us turn on other people.

Jordan Maxwell has a great line he uses; The word system is latin and was used in Rome to denote the sewers. It didn't mean 'the sewer system' the word system meant sewer. So consequently all our 'systems', put in place by our 'masters' are FULL OF ****.

Another side to it is that there are a lot of broken, psychologically damaged people out there, from the barrage of poisons in our food, water and on the airwaves. Your basic poor rednecked ignorant masses basically, and it is not their fault people. They are victims of the damaging and unnatural society that has been created to break us, and that we need to replace.

Yet another aspect is this; Physics has proved that we are all aspects of one universal whole. The underlying field of the universe is consciousness and we and everything else in it are parts of this indivisible whole. Quantum physics has shown that each and every particle has an effect on every other one, no matter how great the distance between them. Knowing this we have to see that if we are all one entity, an entity at war with itself will never be in harmony. If we are all part of one big consciousness, one big mind, then fighting and violence are mental illnesses, schitzo tendencies.
Wiping out, or allowing to be wiped out, a part of your own existence, in the shape of a mass of people you deem useless, is a blow against yourself, against ourselves, and must not be allowed to happen.

A look at the population figures of the different countries shows a trend. In first world countries the trend is a reduction in population. In third world ones its an increase. Countries that are out of the survival struggle and have some wealth start to have smaller populations, those engaged in the survival struggle have bigger families because they don't know how many will survive. They also, often for religious reasons, haven't got contraception. Well done religion! Always there with the correct solution.

Also, apart from China, a lot of the 3rd world countries who are poor and have too large a populations are ex-colonies. Their wealth has been hoovered out and they are left struggling. Well done British Empire et al!

The main point is that there is enough space, food, wealth and opportunity to move into the future for ALL the occupants of this planet. The info otherwise is disinfo and the pure evil of those elite who try to make US the human race feel that it is our fault is staggering. We need to rid ourselves of these lying wicked parasites and fulfill Bill Hicks' vision of exploring space, inner and outer, forever in peace!.

Sorry if that went on a bit...

[Nik]

@ Jeremiad

Here's another rough calculation for you. :)

Assume your 1/2 Alaska Megacity is there, and working just fine - with 7 billion people resident there. Can you imagine how much food is required to sustain those people? If you displace every person onto the streets (getting crowded), you would roughly need to cover at least half the entire city landscape (horizontally, not vertically) with food to feed them all. Even if you assume 1/10 of the entire city flat area, you are talking about a daily food consumption covering 1/20 of Alaska **DAILY**. :)

This was an extremely rough example, but still puts the resource requirements into perspective.

The point: a) people tend to be greedy and wasteful, b) it is extremely hard to support 7 billion people without harming the planet gravely.

As I realized a short while ago, people have mostly forgotten the meaning of need and replaced it with 'want'.

[Steve_A]

Hi Everyone,

You all reall must read or see on Youtube the lecture given by Dr. Albert A. Bartlett (Google the name). It really impressed me and drove home the situation.

Also you should check out Henry Kissingers' 'Memorandum 200', which was published on 24 of April, 1974.

Also just to round off your weekend, you can read an interesting 'Report from Iron Mountain' publised on 30 of September, 1966.

If you bring the three things together, you get to see a wider picture.

Best regards,

Steve

[Nik]

Report from Iron Mountain was surprisingly fascinating, especially in its analysis of the necessity for war. I expected a depopulation propaganda report and instead found some rather thought-provoking reading!

[warriorsoul]

here are couple of theories:

1. earth/resources can not sustain such a large population (already mentioned above)

2. There are THOSE that can not CONTROL such a large population. So, they need to reduce the population (or pushing for that idea) to where it is better to CONTROL and to keep on CONTROLLING

[Nik]

2. There are THOSE that can not CONTROL such a large population. So, they need to reduce the population (or pushing for that idea) to where it is better to CONTROL and to keep on CONTROLLING

Also a very good point!

[peacelovinman]

First I want to apologize up front if this goes too far off topic.

I have a hard time hearing about overpopulation from a supposedly trusted source considering the stinking globalist scumbags at the Club of Rome are the modern source of the "overpopulation" meme (and unevidenced hypothesis at best) as a justification for depopulation which is a newspeak name for mass murder or genocide.

We know Kissinger, Bush Sr. & drag wife, et. al. have publicly stated their disdain for the proles... disdain isn't even the word for it. Disregard? Schadenfreude? Anyhow, they've come right out and said they want to depopulate the earth by 80% which would leave a lush paradise for the 1% power elite who already own over 50% of the planet's resources to live a rich, transhumanist life devoid of the distasteful poor "natural" humans who will not join them in Ray Kurzweil's vision of techno-immortality for the wealthy.

Anybody see the Cartmanland episode of South Park, where Cartman buys a bankrupt theme park and gets to ride all the rides by himself with no lines, no waiting? Pure heaven until the systems started breaking down and needing maintenance and security. That's where the rest of us come in. They can't kill us all, nor do they want to. But 20% of 99% of 7 billion is still a looooooot of slaves.

To me, overpopulation is very much like the Global Warming meme (the threat, not the truth that "climates change"). Now damnit, even NASA doesn't deny that rapid climate change is occurring all over the solar system (Wilcock anyone?), all of which can be easily reconciled against solar-geomagnetic activity, so why do we have to put up with being told we're (the lower 99%) causing the Earth's problems and should voluntarily kill ourselves, stop breeding, and (for women) get on the Rockefeller Pill ASAP to trick your body unnaturally into what should be an occasional, natural but not perpetual hormonal imbalance, in the name of saving the planet from ourselves? It stinks of social control.

Yes, we need to be conscious of our ecosystems, watersheds and environmental impact.

Yes, condoms and B/C pills are the greatest thing to happen to human sexuality and female self-empowerment since the discovery of the Gaffenberg spot.

Yes, the climate is changing.

And yeah, we're probably evolving beyond the need for artificial nation-state boundaries and towards a bio-regional form of governance that takes care of the entire ecosystem, people included, with some form of international agreement over how trade is carried out and peace is maintained in the face of powerful sociopaths.

It's the propagandization of these important truths -- the amalgamation with ******** lies and divisive memes -- that's the most dangerous. This is why we (omnivores) cook meat before eating it... the parasites always come in with the protein, but it's no reason not to enjoy the benefits of the meat if you can properly disable the parasitic component by holding it to the fire.

What do we know about Green's background? As helpful as he appears to be trying to be, he very well could have drank some of the elitest kool-aid on such control memes such as overpopulation and global warming, possibly without realizing it. It's easy. That Texas professor who came out last year to say that humanity needs a big die-off was met with thunderous applause. It seems that George Green would have been one of those palm-slappers in the audience. But this doesn't negate his overall message, although it may have been planted within him to marginalize and contain his message, which is the most effective control game ever devised since the democratization of media to sanitize the truth against popular radical action.

Sorry to rant in circles, but I guess my point is that as we assimilate all this whistleblower testimony which does amount to hearsay and in many cases only confirms what we already know because it consists often entirely of non-new information from popular conspiracy lore, it's incredibly important to practice discernment. Discernment and intuition are the only defenses we have against the growing onslaught of new information, and they must be developed quickly so as to minimize the disabling power of disinformation piggybacking on new (or confirmed) truths.

9/11 is a perfect example. Does it matter if a plane hit the Pentagon? Does it matter if there were missles, particle beams, etc.? Not one bit. It doesn't even matter if Dr. Jones can deduce the use of thermate cutter charges to bring down the towers, or that Building 7 had a perfect controlled demolition crimp obvious to anyone in the CD business. None of it matters. What matters is who benefitted, where the money flowed and when, and who was the source of the obvious lies and confusion that allowed the situation to happen and then to go completely uninvestgiated. You can build maps of these associations and the clustering of names and activities makes it clear who was responsible and what the game is. Talking about pods, holograms, space weapons and Global Hawks does NOTHING for popularizing 9/11 truth but damage and discredit the entire thing to a deeply disaffected and heavily programmed/conditioned populace, so most of the "useless eaters" out there just disregard it all as nonsense thanks to this kind of parasitic disinfo. The tide is turning in public consciousness of the high crimes of 9/11, NO THANKS to any of these super-helpful self-styled experts that have popped out of the woodwork with extraneous and exotic hypotheses (can't even call them theories) which mean abo****e zilch to what would be a complicated but crystal-clear public prosecution of various parties involved.

Environmental and global consciousness are the same way. These things are evolving, at least in our circles of people who are actually paying attention to what's going on in the world and in many cases feel an intense calling to somehow help humanity through this transition. In the meantime, the current forces in power will do literally anything to maintain their control or slow progress enough to gain a foothold in the new paradigm, including co-opting the paradigm with their own experts who give us tasty morsels of truth wrapped in greasy, toxic strips of utter tripe.

I expect that goes double or triple for deep-black insiders who go on-camera for Bill & Kerry to spill whatever beans they've been allowed to take. If I were at the top of one of these global black-world crime syndicates wielding ET tech and more, I'd be sure to fill everybody under me with at least 10% unique ******** to make it easier to detect and automatically contain information leaks.

Dig?

Man, I gotta lay off the espresso. :lol3:


The best post I have seen on this forum, so far, by a country mile. I don't buy the over-population scam just as I don't buy the golbal warming scam.

Project Camelot is an excellent resource but we should not fall into the trap of following Greene, Wilcock, Deacon etc. as "leaders". Remember: the "Illuminati" have said before that they would lead every revolution that stood against them , so we need to be careful and follow our intuition.

The "welfare" comment, in my opinion, shows how much we, as a species, have given away our personal power and personal responsibility to governments, who we rely on to provide for us.

We need to free ourselves from the cult of personality and the cult of reliance. and embrace personal responsibility and self-reliance. People in need do not need hand-outs and charity - they need their fellow human beings to re-affirm their importance and regain their self-respect.

[undetected]

Reading through this I got a couple of ideas but in the end... I'll make it very simple. I am sure this planet can easily handle 7 billion people without any damage to the planet and without anyone being really poor, under one simple condition -

everyone learns what PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY means.

From there, all the other problems would be solved. The planet can handle it, just not when the leaders are sick greedy lunatics and most of the others have this zombie-sheep mentality.

Personal responsibility starts with really small and simple things. In order for everyone to get enough, everyone must give something. Current humans are mostly parasites. And ffs, don't have 5 kids when you can't feed 2! [btw has anyone noticed that all those 'depopulationist' Rockefellers have on average 4-5 kids?]

Last point, current population is not really a problem, but the rate at which it is rising is. But then again, back to what I said about personal responsibility and it will get back in balance.

[milk and honey]

There is no shortage of anything. Well alright there is a shortage of one thing ... ethics.

The amount of time and money spent on R + D making sure that everything stuffs up as soon as the warranty expires must be staggering.

Built in obsolescense is the scourge of modern society and so are the efforts of sick corporate minds that shelve superior inventions just so they can bilk us with ever replaceable inferior products. For just a couple examples we could have had porcelain exhaust systems and copper alloy radiators for autos over the past century that would have never needed replacement. And tyres that last for multiples of their current lifespan.

For as long as we've had electricity we could have had unbreakable filaments in lightbulbs but this product like many others was shelved in favour of inferior consumables. How often have you bought a product that has one -- deliberate-- weak link which ends it's life prematurely?

Not to mention economic warfare which is the root cause of poverty in the so called 'third world'. We could have a clean, sustainable, high tech society for 10 billion people on this planet.

So yes George Green is strangely in alignment with the terrestrial arch enemies of humanity on the question of Earths population and i dare say that is who the "plaedians" really are... terrestrials in the guise of ETs.

I first heard of George Green on the George Noory radio show. On the program George Green said that he met people who had contact with "Plaedians" who told him that the Plaedians engineered the Earth for 500 million people.

This was George's reply to those people ... "I don't care about THAT PARTICULAR DETAIL, how can i help you publish the book?" !

He went on to assert that ... "The 'plaedians' plan to encapsulate planet earth to make a sun out of it if nuclear war happens" --- no joke.

Also... " the "plaedians" engineered the human race as warriors so that balanced people didn't have to fight".

It is likely true that the the physical bodies of the race have been genetically tampered with to enhance agression but you can be sure that "balanced" people had no hand in it.

[pilot]

Why don't we step back a few and look at this issue from a higher perspective. Now the folks on welfare and the folks who can't contribute physically, etc. have all incarnated here for similar reasons that everyone else has. Everyone has a reason for being here weather we can justify it to ourselves or not. It's all just a grand play.

Who says it's time to wipe a few billion out because a really and truly flawed system we are all responsible for, more or less, says this needs to happen?

People who are against birth control & reasonable sex education for kids, anti-abortion, etc. are the minions of the power elite who are calling for population reduction???? They also hold the keys to the kind of technology that would make the quality of life for everyone vastly different. hm

Don't be swayed by this kind of Nazi crap-we are all here for a reason and there is no need to wipe anybody out, the play will continue. We just need to embrace our power and use it, not become a nicer version of elitists.

[Lindsay]

We need to be careful not to just look at land area divided by people type calculations for the production of food. The entire land area of the earth is not all "farm able" land has to be fertile, crops have to be rotated which leaves land sitting fallow (not producing) etc. It's a much more complex calculation than just area v people. I have read that a 3 acre farm is the perfect size form sustainable agriculture, to support 1 family. 3 Acres can produce enough food and also allow rotation etc ( much more complicated than that of course) I own a farm of 3000 acres and it cant support 1 family ( it's a hobby which produces about 1/4 of my annual off farm income.So an interesting calculation would be ( arable land / 3 / families ( 7 billion /4?) ) Even so this would only be a rough number. What will be the additional "natural" rescources needed to produce that amount of food ie water? Fertiliser? Chemical?. Each new question raises more things to be taken into account. I'm not suggesting it can't be done, but Im am sure it is a way more complex issue than some would believe. On the other hand what do we produce world wide now? it has been said that we produce enough but the distribution is wrong, that maybe true I have seen thousands of tons of fruit dumped for $ reasons, surely that could have fed hungry people, but it wasn't "viable" to send it to a poor country so it was dumped.
Anyway, I'm ranting........

Cheers, Lindsay.

[8080028]

You're right Pilot.
Another point worth considering is this, when the current state of affairs is blown open and exposed to the masses and people under duress who are not able to cope in this system are shown that its not them that is the problem, that all along the various systems have been set up against them, you cannot predict how people will react, there may be really unexpected creativity and dynamic responses.
We, to varying degrees, are ALL under the boot of the elite. When it comes off amazing things should and will happen.
Like, we are told that all the negative aspects of our existence from crime to greed to war and on and on are all down to 'Human nature'. Humans are like that, bad, get used to it, the world's a cess pit.
Not so. we do not have a clue what true human nature is as we have not been afforded the opportunity to realise our potential. Instead we're caught in this unending loop of false and unnecessary conflict.

[QueenOfLeon]

This is the point...and you highlighted a good one. We cant live like "typical americans" with our mind numbing toys and means of distraction from the spirit, and Jeremiad hit the nail on the head. Ther is plenty to go round....Mother earth will always provide aslong as you take all that you need and no more. The fact is the western world are greedy sob's and as a result of being entertained 24 hours a day with popcorn on hand and a coolaide makes us sooooo DETACHED from the source, we are distracted, lazy, un-interested...our kids would rather blow people up on the xbox than play in the earth. The balance is wrong and we have been manipulate that way by the illuminati. The day you cant let go of your LCD, and your X3, or whatever your material attachment may be, youre done for. The world will eventually get back to the times when thngs are simple, no commerce or money to incite greed and it will be about sharing and feeding off the earth. Maybe even nomad style. If you are too attached to **** you cant take with you, your gonna struggle.

Much love xxx

[pilot]

This is the point...and you highlighted a good one. We cant live like "typical americans" with our mind numbing toys and means of distraction from the spirit, and Jeremiad hit the nail on the head. Ther is plenty to go round....Mother earth will always provide aslong as you take all that you need and no more. The fact is the western world are greedy sob's and as a result of being entertained 24 hours a day with popcorn on hand and a coolaide makes us sooooo DETACHED from the source, we are distracted, lazy, un-interested...our kids would rather blow people up on the xbox than play in the earth. The balance is wrong and we have been manipulate that way by the illuminati. The day you cant let go of your LCD, and your X3, or whatever your material attachment may be, youre done for. The world will eventually get back to the times when thngs are simple, no commerce or money to incite greed and it will be about sharing and feeding off the earth. Maybe even nomad style. If you are too attached to **** you cant take with you, your gonna struggle.

Much love xxx

Cheers your Majesty, well said. I hope when I'm old the yougsters will ask, "tell us again how you used to have to pay for electricity!"

[pilot]

Like, we are told that all the negative aspects of our existence from crime to greed to war and on and on are all down to 'Human nature'. Humans are like that, bad, get used to it, the world's a cess pit.
Not so. we do not have a clue what true human nature is as we have not been afforded the opportunity to realise our potential. Instead we're caught in this unending loop of false and unnecessary conflict.

Excellent point-that is the rationale of people who don't or can't have a positive vision of the future, and just want to play the game by the rules they think are unchangeable. Isn't it a good thing hope springs eternal?

It's time for a paradigm shift all right, I do hope Bill and Kerry will consider this question the next time they speak to George Green.

[Nik]

The day you cant let go of your LCD, and your X3, or whatever your material attachment may be, youre done for.

Hang on! Are you implying that one day people will have to simply let go of WORLD OF WARCRAFT?!?!? That is going way too far now!! :lmao:
(No I do not play it. :naughty: )

[Rocky_Shorz]

I've thought long and hard about this also, in several years, I read 50% of our population will be over 50 years old and most of whom will be living on social security.

I've also read that the underground bases are large enough to handle the population under 44 years of age, those above that age won't have a spot unless they are critically needed for the future of civilization...

So if this fake invasion happens and the younger population is shuttled off to shelters, leaving the rest of us to fend for ourselves, will they kill us all off with Biological weapons? Nuclear fallout?

or just wait until we all kill each other?:sad:

will eliminating 60% of the population change the balance enough for the world to continue?

I can't wait until they open the shelter doors and find all of us from Project Avalon sitting outside playing checkers in the sunshine...:winksmiley02:

[Steve_A]

Hi Rocky_Shorz,

Wouldn't it be far easier for the 'authorities' shuttle off the old and useless to these underground tunnels that everyone seems to be talking about. After all there is no (or very little) heavy manual work to be done as the tunnelling machine seems to do it all, and I imagine with all the technology around the rest of the work would be light; so I wiould tend to get the old, frail, disabled, even the downright ugly and do away with them / us out of sight and out of sound. That way there can be a master race, taller, stronger, faster, more beautiful to inherit the Earth.

Is'nt it just a lot easier that way?

Back to the farm. :)

Best regards,

Steve


I've thought long and hard about this also, in several years, I read 50% of our population will be over 50 years old and most of whom will be living on social security.

I've also read that the underground bases are large enough to handle the population under 44 years of age, those above that age won't have a spot unless they are critically needed for the future of civilization...

So if this fake invasion happens and the younger population is shuttled off to shelters, leaving the rest of us to fend for ourselves, will they kill us all off with Biological weapons? Nuclear fallout?

or just wait until we all kill each other?:sad:

will eliminating 60% of the population change the balance enough for the world to continue?

I can't wait until they open the shelter doors and find all of us from Project Avalon sitting outside playing checkers in the sunshine...:winksmiley02:

[Rocky_Shorz]

Hi Steve,

I spent three months traveling around Brasil and loved it...

well they wouldn't need everything they've built and stored in the facilities if that is what they are planning.

I was thinking it could fit into the Alien agenda to ship away everyone strong enough to stop them while they took over the planet...

When everyone came out, the changes would already be done...

[Steve_A]

Hi Rocky_Shorz,

I'm up here in the northeast.

Back to the comments. Think aout it. If the 'authorities' have to power to round up the young and healthy, I'm sure the aklien forces could also, no probs. I would have thought that the young and ealthy could be brought under control and be a lot more valuable doing manual work above ground, working in the fields to produce food etc. After all, this sort of thing has been doen sooo many times in the past. We beleive that the pyramids were built by slave labour. The old were killed off. Then it was the Africans turn at the turn of the last century. Now it could be the western worlds' turn, for an outside force...

Just a thought.

Best regards,

Steve


Hi Steve,

I spent three months traveling around Brasil and loved it...

well they wouldn't need everything they've built and stored in the facilities if that is what they are planning.

I was thinking it could fit into the Alien agenda to ship away everyone strong enough to stop them while they took over the planet...

When everyone came out, the changes would already be done...

[Jeremiad]

Wow! Thank you all for your wonderful input. I just have this little thought before I go to bed, and I wake up to find an amazing discussion coming out of it. I'm glad that many of you feel the way that I do about this idea on overpopulation. About a year ago I gave up on the idea of coincidence, and now am much more aware of the syncronicities that surround my reality and this has led to me having quite the amazing life. And I feel that if everything is happening for a reason, then there's a reason we have so many people on the planet right now.

I figure if all these people who are privy to more information than most of us tell us of this amazing technology of free energy and matter manipulation, then providing for this amount of people should not be a problem.

I've been studying the work of a man named Nassim Haramein (I made a post about it on the alternative science board). I know that the calculations of land space doesn't equate to the idea of farming space for the whole of the population, but if we do really have access to unlimited energy, and obviously these ETs have the ability to manipulate the physical reality around us, then how come we can't just rearrange the protons, neutrons and electrons in a random spot of air into what would be a lovely dish of fillet mignon?

I know, it's like Star Trek replicator stuff, but it doesn't seem like such a far leap considering the technology they speak about. If that's the case, then why on Earth would farming space even be an issue?

On the topic of Westerners generally being a lazy bunch, I agree on some points, but I think we have to be careful not to go too far in the other direction.

Through an interesting set of syncronicity, I was offered a job in South Korea teaching English. I'd been watching current events, and I thought it might be prudent to get out of the country and earn some non-US funds. I've been here about a month, and after the events of the stock market this week, I feel I made the right choice.

But being here I've noticed some things about the Eastern culture which, while certainly commendable, has made me appreciate being a Westerner. Over here, the kids NEVER stop their schooling. From the time they wake up in the morning at 7am to the time they go to bed (generally around 11pm) they are in classes at all points during the day (with time in between just to get to another class). First they have regular school, then after that they're going to either my class, or to piano, or violin, to maybe tae kwon do, extra math classes, extra science classes. And their "vacations" are worse, when they don't have school. We don't call them "intensives" for nothing.

Like I said, I admire this type of work ethic, but my kids are constantly tired and worn out, and every time I hear them talk about the massive amount of work they have to do, I can't help but be glad that I grew up in the West.

I feel that we as human beings do need time to cool down during the day. We need a period where we can absorb everything that happened, and allow our bodies to recover from the day's trials.

So, like with everything, I think there needs to be a balance. Yes on the Western side of the world things are off kilter and maybe there is an abundance of laziness, but we can't get too zealous and fall into the trap that seems to have taken over the Eastern side of the world as well.

In any case, thank you all again for the spirited debate. You've offered some amazing insight that has made me think about a few things I hadn't considered. Hopefully we can get our hands on some of this technology and maybe put it to use for the betterment of our fellow humans.

- J

[MMe M]

See, heres what bothers me. There is one 45 year old woman that has the answer to all the universes problems but she was left out of the underground shelter as she was deemed not needed. Also overpopulation always leads to natural selection in all areas of the animal world. We are just another mamal after all. The science that these population control people were fed was hopelessly outdated, ill informed and flat out wrong. Nobody here has the whole picture, nobody here should ever make that call. Does no one question the source of the information?

For those think tank groups advised by aliens, how do you know you were told the truth? Did it occur to you that perhaps it was a test to see if you would terminate your fellow brothers and sisters to save a planet or your own necks? This is just someones science experiment here, a soul farm, a running sim. What benefit to humanity does an uninhibited planet serve? Or one without everyone you love? Is life woth living if its only you and 499 billion other strangers?

There are too many questions without solid answers in my mind for an informed human choice to be made. It is unreasonable to asssume we will overpopulate beyond our capacities to sustain ourselves. It is illogical.

[TAXMASTER]

I know what I said was going to appear as harsh. Most of us are tied into our own little world. We associate with our friends, families, co-workers who are on aaproximately the same rung on the social ladder. you pass those who are less fortunate by on the street or you see them in wal-mart when you go shopping but you really do not know their stories because you do not get that close to them.

I am a tax preparer and see about 2ooo different families from January 1 to april 15. Most of these people are return clients and I develope relationships with them. Many are not the type that you would have over for dinner. But over the years, I become somewhat involved with their stories more so than the average person would be. Because they are on a different level, these people would generally associate with those on that same level. By getting a close look year after year, I see the attitiudes and the motivational factors displayed by them and I have come to a few conclusions:

Generally, we are all where were at on the social, spiritual & financial level we are at because that is where we want to be. occasionally, something happens to us that we get knocked doun a rung or two on the ladder and with assistance, we can get back to that level. If we are artifiicially helped to a level that we do not understand, or deserve, we will fall back to the level that we are accustomed to once the outside assistance discontinues. the only permanant way to the next level is through "sweat equity" so to speak. We have all read about people hitting the lottery and 3 years later filing for bankruptcy. Every one has known someone who had nothing, inherited a lot of money then blew it all and now have nothing. It is a state of mind. you think so you are.

Now in the greater scheme of things, did anyone ever think that maybe the souls that are here that might be sacrifised in some grand scheme of things were doing it willingly on a soul level? Maybe as far out as it sounds that these things must come to pass to bring about a future that is better for overall soul developement.

I am not saying I am right but I bring it up for discussion purposes.

Namaste'

ps most of us have all supported non productive people in our household at sometime or another but those people are called kids and they grow up and hopefully become self sufficient and most importantly contributors of society. How long must we support our fellow man who do nothing but take and contribute nothing for humanitys sake? Unless you are in an iron lung machine, you can make some contribution in some way.

[Operator]

Well here's a new angle we seem to forget ...

Taxmaster was talking about 'abuse' by people of the social security systems. Well he's got a point of course but there's another tendency opposing this ...
We consider someone who's not working at least 8 hours a day as not fully contributing to society ...

I've heard that women's emancipation was orchestrated as well.

1. They have more workforce to tax
2. kids stay longer on school or other institutions so they can be more indoctrinated

Where do we get our perception from about the 8 hours a day anyway ?

So, the new paradigm should be about equal load, sharing stuff and do what's NEEDED !

E.g. if there's free energy etc. etc. it might be sufficient to do 4 hours a day and spend a lot more time with your kids.
Some consider this as WASTING time .... doing less important stuff.

The only reason we're encouraged to work more, longer and at higher age is to get more MONEY rotating through the machine !
Now that is clearly enslavement !

Let's not police ourselves and others too much ...

Cheers

[8080028]

Well here's a new angle we seem to forget ...

Taxmaster was talking about 'abuse' by people of the social security systems. Well he's got a point of course but there's another tendency opposing this ...
We consider someone who's not working at least 8 hours a day as not fully contributing to society ...

I've heard that women's emancipation was orchestrated as well.

1. They have more workforce to tax
2. kids stay longer on school or other institutions so they can be more indoctrinated

Where do we get our perception from about the 8 hours a day anyway ?

So, the new paradigm should be about equal load, sharing stuff and do what's NEEDED !

E.g. if there's free energy etc. etc. it might be sufficient to do 4 hours a day and spend a lot more time with your kids.
Some consider this as WASTING time .... doing less important stuff.

The only reason we're encouraged to work more, longer and at higher age is to get more MONEY rotating through the machine !
Now that is clearly enslavement !

Let's not police ourselves and others too much ...

Cheers

Right on,
The 8 hour day comes from the industrial revolution when the machine really started to be built. The week was organised into what we know as the normal working week. Closing time in pubs also comes from the same basic source, for the info of fellow lovers of beer, making sure people turned up for work in the morning. The point being the imposition of this schedule happened a few generations ago, so we don't now remember it and accept it as the norm. And further, we scorn people who are not productive.
We need to be productive to earn, to live, thats our position. However, as time goes on economies of scale should kick in to make the stuff we buy cheaper. I'm referring to the fact that when a product has been manufactured and sold for a while the manufacturer coups back the tooling cost, the start up cost of producing the product. The factory and machines etc having been paid for now means the cost of the product should come down. But does that ever happen? We keep paying, costs go up. We keep paying, we keep being told times are hard and the market is competitive and margins are short etc. Meanwhile those at the top, the very top, make outrageous sums of money. Do they work 8 hours?
Operator you make a great point about womens lib. I'm all for everyone being allowed to do what they like as long as it does no harm so as far as women working I'm not saying they shouldn't. Nowadays though the financial pressure to work and the stigma attached to not working is massive. And yes, a result of this is that childcare is being taken care of by well-meaning but perhaps, in light of what way we now see the powers that be are operating, not so benign child care facilities, then off to be indoctrinated in school. It seems to be very bad in the US as regards schooling techniques and things like corporate sponsorship of books etc, complete with plenty ads.
On the topic of children and how they are being treated and what they are exposed to there is a quote by the creator of Ren and Stimpy, the cartoon,(On the impact of Ren and Stimpy): I think we are destroying the minds of America, and that's been one of my lifelong ambitions.
Nice.
Also, there's a David Icke video where he talks about getting into i think the Grand Temple of the masons in London sort of by accident one day, and he had a wander around. He has photos of himself in there, and there were photos and dedications on the wall to various important masons who had visited. One of these was Walt Disney. Strange eh? Stranger was the display around his portrait picture, a circle of cartoon characters in a ring around his head, 12 of them.

I've been through Jordan Maxwell's work extensively and also Michael Tsarion and for anyone who doesn't know, the number 12 does not turn up on monuments and portraits by chance, there is a lot going on there.

Anyway, the point is as each generation passes through the machine of indoctrination and pressure to work and succeed, like everyone else, the connection to what way things were before erodes. The industrial revolution was not that long ago, look at how different the world and society are! totally different.
I was in Australia for a year and stayed up in the Norther Territory for a few months. The Aboriginals are a perfect example of what happens when people who just are not capable of making it in 'society' are bulldozered over by it.
Their culture doesn't know what an 8 hour day is, you don't need to. When its bright its morning time, when it gets dark its nighttime. If you have something you need to do during the day, do it. If you don't, relax. the whole world used to be like that.
It's when our 'society' that we are conditioned that we have to serve comes into contact with these people that they get destroyed. The Aboriginals have existed just fine for thousands of years in Australia. They are now in really bad shape as a result of contact with the settlers. Drug and alcohol abuse are huge, and there is despair in the communities. The racism against them is outrageous, and a lot of it is 'lazy bastards, they won't work'. Why should they? They do their own thing.

Overall, the scale of conditioning of the entire çivilised' world is off the chart. Before we knock people for not contributing to society, we need to properly examine what society is in its current form. Is it worth serving oor is it worth changing to be more appealing to humanity. Just as a footnote I was spending some time with my cousin and her family a few weeks ago and one of the things my cousin said when talking about her two little girls was that she had to raise them tough, because the world was hard and tough and pussycats can't survive. I think that that should not be the attitude we are forced to have. The world is beautiful and wonderous and we should not be afraid of it.

[TAXMASTER]

I must be guilty of failing to get my point across. Please read between my words and understand my point. I am not talking about working 3 jobs or working at all, I am talking about making a contribution to society in some way, whatever that is. There exists large masses of people who contribute nothing and only partake of it's gifts. Success is a state of being not a bank account.

Namaste'

[8080028]

Taxmaster i don't think you are being harsh, it's all about raising these issues and discussing them so we can hopefully see what the hell we can do and what will happen.

I know what you mean in that if people have nothing to contribute then maybe the best thing is for these people to be left by the wayside if we do move to another paradigm. And maybe that will happen.
The point I am trying to make is that the vast majority of the people who appear to have nothing to contribute have been beaten into pulp by the systems imposed on them for so long. The accumulated effect of generations of imposition of a myriad of systems which prob and push and force us into certain directions and which are so deeply ingrained in our societies that we accept them as the norm has produced a lot of people who seem worthless, deliberately. My opinion is that the number of genuinely worthless people is far less than the number of apparently useless. And also that the method of determining how beneficial to society people are at the moment is the apparatus of society, which is corrupt.

What we can do about it anyway I don't know but I don't think we should have the frame of mind that óh well its only the useless people who died'. We are all one so any event that does away with a major amount of us will be an injury to us all collectively. It was only the Jews in WW11, ah well , I'm not a Jew, who cares....etc etc

peace

[seekntruth]

Hey, in case you've never checked him out, you should listen to what Stewart Swerdlow (www.expansions.com) is saying about the population reduction theories. He assures his audience that the government is just using that for mind control purposes - aka fear mongering - to keep the population confused and freaking out about the "all mighty Illuminati" and the possibility that they are going to start "culling the herd." But, Stewart says that is NOT in the plans.

He frankly states, that these power elites and their ancestors (and the ET visitors who initiated the hybrid program on Earth, of which we are all a part) didn't go to all this trouble getting the population to this point for nothing!

Whatever you may want to believe, Stewart's perspective will have you thinking twice about this subject.

All the best!

[just-us]

I like your points 800828. I don't think we can expect a new paradigm to form when we adopt the practices of our oppressor.

What we can do about it anyway I don't know but I don't think we should have the frame of mind that óh well its only the useless people who died'. We are all one so any event that does away with a major amount of us will be an injury to us all collectively.

This is all about evolution. maybe the whole overpopulation debate is a big moral dilemna planted by the ET's to catalyst some good discussion and soul-searching. I can't say for sure about our planet being engineered for 500 mil as GG says. But i do know that free energy would not make farming easier/moreefficient, (I am a farmer and know many farmers of different production scales) You say you can control the weather, and prevent diseases, and pest destruction of crops and now wer'e in business!!!

Much of food production is determined by chance and minimizing losses, while accepting a certain percentage as inevitable. THats why we have thousands of acres devoted to monocropping which is why we see extensive usage of herbicides and pesticides (to prevent from losing an entire crop) which is why we have major honey bee dieoffs which could be why we may have a severe food shortage/production problem on our hands. Those farms are not for feeding people, they are for making money. THe applicable catch phrase for feeding people is sustainability, not profit margin-there you start running into problems. (I understand that this sounds idealist--i do feel a better balance could be attained) I digress.

My opinion is that the number of genuinely worthless people is far less than the number of apparently useless. And also that the method of determining how beneficial to society people are at the moment is the apparatus of society, which is corrupt.


RIght on 80...28 Humans on this planet suffer from severe disconnectedness resulting from what society defines as a "use". Uselessness, causeing feelings of inadequacy and weakness are stunting evolutionary growth. We feel like just another face in the crowd, don't we? Don't we long to feel special, to have our special gifts noticed and appreciated. Wiping out 2/3 of the population would help to achieve this but it doesn't have to be the way If we truely are all one, then acknowledge your own gifts and gain the courage to do the same in another.



Another solution by our oppressors is the quick-tech-fix. Its seems Atlantis may have succumed ultimately to technology moving at a faster pace than spiritual evolution. That is why we don't have all this free energy stuff, i think, we're not spiritually ready for it and we're subconsciously being guided towards it one step at a time. I think of it this way so as to not fall into the victim consciousness trap.

[pilot]

I must be guilty of failing to get my point across. Please read between my words and understand my point. I am not talking about working 3 jobs or working at all, I am talking about making a contribution to society in some way, whatever that is. There exists large masses of people who contribute nothing and only partake of it's gifts. Success is a state of being not a bank account.

Namaste'

Maybe it is not for you or me or any of us to determine who is making a contribution and who isn't. Maybe someone's life is nothing more than an example to others of what NOT to do. That is a contribution isn't it?

I do hear your point, believe me. Especially about people who do a great deal of harm to others. But, again, who am I to say that it isn't somehow necessary in the GRAND SCHEME ..."large masses of people who contribute nothing..." is made up of individuals who may be important to other individuals in their circle. Judge them not based on any criteria. They might be here just to disappoint you Taxmaster:lol3:

[Ashatav]

Dr. Bill Deagle says the other day that every group who says exactly what NWO/georgia guidestones says are infiltrated and are misinformation, very evil in this case.

He says the pleydians thing are a scam.

Pleyadians wnat to wipe out 6 billions?

Xcuse me, but f*$K the pleyadians!

[8080028]

Pleyadians wnat to wipe out 6 billions?

Xcuse me, but f*$K the pleyadians!

Ha ha! Yeah, and the space hog they rode in on!

The universe is infinite possibility, which manifests through consciousness, which is limited by only imagination. If we desire a future without killing 6 billion, or 6 dozen, and we really mean it and work towards it, it, along with any other outcome, is possible.

[milk and honey]

It's refreshing to see people seeing through the philosophies of the so called "plaedians" and the "pleygerans" or whatever the doods called themselves. Not to say i don't believe aliens or UFOs though.

[8080028]

Seekntruth, I had a look for the bit on population on expansions.com but couldn't find it... Do you have a link?

[Free-UFO-Videos]

I fully support George Green.
I'm very thankful Kerry and Bill interviewed George.

I was listening live when Art Bell cut George off the air.
And it was a sad day.
I was really enjoying the interview on C2CAM Radio.

Sure George was bouncing around with a lot of different information, because he KNOWS A LOT OF INFORMATION. And is not afraid to speak up.

Thank you George for showing us all the magnetic motor too.
I also have a video of you with the good man Wendelle C. Stevens from years ago.

Keep up the good work !!! :original:




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[Jasper]

George, if you are reading these messages, then please help me out here.

Can you give me the full story about the Ekker, Wanta, Durham connections.

I know you lost a bundle of money to the Ekkers when you published the Phoenix stuff.

I know that the Ekkers were involved with VK Durham.

I know that VK Durham had some connection with Leo Wanta.

I know that there are some other interesting connections with the Phillipines.

You can contact me direct if you want to keep it confidential. It wouldn't be the end of the world for me if you didn't, because you know I'll find out eventually.

[FractalCatalyst]

as time goes on economies of scale should kick in to make the stuff we buy cheaper. I'm referring to the fact that when a product has been manufactured and sold for a while the manufacturer coups back the tooling cost, the start up cost of producing the product. The factory and machines etc having been paid for now means the cost of the product should come down. But does that ever happen? We keep paying, costs go up.

Uuh... Wal-Mart?

Here's an experiment -- tool up from scratch for a 3-day hiking camping adventure at Wal-Mart (or just keep a running tab on the would-be cost) as though you have no camping equipment of any kind (tent, sleeping bag, mess kit, etc.) then, if it's even still possible, go price out the total cost of the exact same kit of equipment without including anything manufactured outside of your own country, e.g., no "Made in China" stickers. You're going to see something like a 500% markdown below locally sustainable margins by purchasing goods manufactured on the backs of true wage slaves in China and other highly oppressed regimes who poison their workers and communities and stretch the environmental resources beyond the breaking point in every way possible just to sell you $20 goods that should, if everyone were being treated and paid fairly and with respect to the environment, cost over $100.

The cost of goods has absolutely gone down with scale. Unfortunately in most cases so has quality as well, but it's truly amazing how much you can buy for $100 today vs. 20 years ago, even adjusted for inflation.

The upshot, to put it into synchronistic perspective, is that the Walmartization of the global material goods industry has, among countless atrocities, provided us with the means to easily circumvent the capitalist rat race that created the situation in order to stock up very cheaply on every single thing you can imagine you might want or need should any given civil system fail you (to put it broadly).

I realized last night during a brief fit of insomnia that it may be morally correct (or whatever) to not support China in any way by buying their products, not support big-box retailers who exploit their own workers even domestically, and not support the hydrocarbon-based materials economy by buying items made with plastic... but that in a practical survival sense, the first few base levels of Maslow's heirarchy of needs (e.g., air, water, food, shelter) can be assured for a far greater percentage of the human population than ever before thanks to these merciless sociopaths that make it all possible through their blood-encrusted industrial machine, and in my own personal little life, far greater good can come from preparing to support myself and my loved ones by stocking up on their cheap goods for our own survival than could come from ceasing to support a system that is absolutely without-a-doubt destined to fail on its own due to the time-bomb nature of the unfolding of capitalism on this grand global scale. All we have to do is wait. And while we're waiting, I posited, we might as well take advantage of what our environment currently has to offer us, mobile execution vans and state-sanctioned black-market organ harvesting of peaceful spritiualists be damned.

On Edit: If you haven't seen it, please enjoy and share far and wide this wonderful and accessible award-winning presentation on the materials economy called The Story of Stuff (http://storyofstuff.com).

[Steve_A]

Hi TAXMASTER,

I've just got back to the city so I've only just finished reading your messages.

I think you are exactly right.

We, as people, in the majority do not really take into account our spirituality (some call this self conciousness).

Some people go to church (or say they do) for a quick fix, listening for half an hour a guy in the pulpit telling them how good they should be. Then at ten o'clock it's off to the pub, come back for lunch, have a nap and wait for Monday to get back into the grind.

But FEW people have actually taken time out to explore themselves. I had a couple of years to do this when I was younger. At that time I lived in an old car travelling around the country. I was able to distance myself from the hustle and bustle of a 'normal' life and had time to stand back, and look at society from the outside. It was quite revealing.

I won't bore you will details as I would need to write a book, but suffice to say, from then on, I decided to keep on moving. The easiest thing I could have done up to that point was to move back in with my parents, but I decided, for good or bad, to keep on moving forward.

After a few years, I was living in Basel in Switzerland and got a call from my sister who informed me that an old schoolfriend of mine was starting a school reunion and wanted me to go. I telephoned my schoolfriend and she asked me what I had been up to for the last ten years, and I told her, travelling, performing (I was a vocalist) and that I was calling her from Switzerland. I asked her what she had been up to and she said, "Well next Thursday I have my driving test". I asked myself, that if that was her highlight from ten years, what the on Earth was the rest of the time like?

A year later she told me that she went to visit Turkey (encouraged by my tales of traelling) - the first time she ever went abroad - and she thought it was wonderful. But she also said that she felt dumb, because she didn't speak Turkish and everybody there was bending over backwards speaking broken English to try and help her out.

Okay, why am I telling you all this?

To contribute to a society does not mean, although it can include, doing a professional job. During my adult life, I think I can honestly say, even with the hardships that I've had to face, I've been on one huge holiday! Contributing to society is a lot deeper, it means the reason behind what you are doing. If your intentions are noble, for sure you will be helping society.

I'm not saying that everybody should be as honest as the day is long, but I mean, even if we lie, we do it because of a noble cause, it becomes a help to society. So that consciousness (or spirituality) we feel, when we do our actions is what is important.

The churches tell us that we should be good, otherwise we will go to hell. That is not the reason to be good. The reason to be good is because WE WANT to be good and no other reason. The minute one begins to think that they are being good for ANY OTHER REASON, then they are on the road to misery.

Over here in Brazil, I'm trying to get the locals where I have a small farm to help each other, not to give expecting to receive, but to give because they see a need and THEY want to. Between myself and my immediate neighbour this tack is just starting to manifest itself. This expanding, as I see it, society will get better.

Doing good deeds doesn't mean selling your soul, or helping someone out because it makes you feel good (which is the same thing as selling your soul), nor does it mean doing something of super huge proportions.

I make a point of doing at least one favour a day. It doesn't matter te size of the favour. I think that if the favour can be for someone you don't know, it's even more important.

As for the reactions of people losing large amounts of money, I think they are agonizing over nothing. Firstly, money is made for that purpose, to win or to lose. The moment you spend your money, ou lose it. If you spend it on a merry go round ride, I ask you, are you better off? Of course not. Once that time has gone and you are with less money, you've lost it. So if you lose it bit by bit, or all at once, it's the same. Money was made to lose.
Also, if the persons' life was money dominated, in other words that 'worked hard' and saved and saved and saved, then they will have left out one of the most important things in life. Enjoyment.

I was in a bar in Paris some years ago and met up with a French guy. I asked for a 'bier blonde' and he asked for a 'bier framboise'. I commented on the difference of the price of bier, the blonde being three times cheaper than the framboise and made the mistake of telling him that I thought he was wasting his money. The French guy made an experiment with me. He made me taste the blonde bier and asked my opinion. I told him it tasted of lager. He then made me taste the 'bier framboise' and asked which I enjoyed the most. When I told him the 'bier framboise' he asked me a question that stuck with me from that time on. "Why spend your money on something you don't really like when you can spend it on something you totally do? - Who's wasting their money?"

I know that it seems a paradox between wat I said about the merry go round and the bier, but the outcome was still the same. I left the bar with less money that I had entered (albeit a little wiser).

I hope my text isn't too long. I'll wrap up for now and chat again.

Best regards,

Steve


I know what I said was going to appear as harsh. Most of us are tied into our own little world. We associate with our friends, families, co-workers who are on aaproximately the same rung on the social ladder. you pass those who are less fortunate by on the street or you see them in wal-mart when you go shopping but you really do not know their stories because you do not get that close to them.

I am a tax preparer and see about 2ooo different families from January 1 to april 15. Most of these people are return clients and I develope relationships with them. Many are not the type that you would have over for dinner. But over the years, I become somewhat involved with their stories more so than the average person would be. Because they are on a different level, these people would generally associate with those on that same level. By getting a close look year after year, I see the attitiudes and the motivational factors displayed by them and I have come to a few conclusions:

Generally, we are all where were at on the social, spiritual & financial level we are at because that is where we want to be. occasionally, something happens to us that we get knocked doun a rung or two on the ladder and with assistance, we can get back to that level. If we are artifiicially helped to a level that we do not understand, or deserve, we will fall back to the level that we are accustomed to once the outside assistance discontinues. the only permanant way to the next level is through "sweat equity" so to speak. We have all read about people hitting the lottery and 3 years later filing for bankruptcy. Every one has known someone who had nothing, inherited a lot of money then blew it all and now have nothing. It is a state of mind. you think so you are.

Now in the greater scheme of things, did anyone ever think that maybe the souls that are here that might be sacrifised in some grand scheme of things were doing it willingly on a soul level? Maybe as far out as it sounds that these things must come to pass to bring about a future that is better for overall soul developement.

I am not saying I am right but I bring it up for discussion purposes.

Namaste'

ps most of us have all supported non productive people in our household at sometime or another but those people are called kids and they grow up and hopefully become self sufficient and most importantly contributors of society. How long must we support our fellow man who do nothing but take and contribute nothing for humanitys sake? Unless you are in an iron lung machine, you can make some contribution in some way.

[8080028]

Hey Fractal catalyst,
You're right on the price of stuff coming down when I think about it. I'm in Ireland and what was on my mind is just that the cost of living has shot through the roof here in the past 10 years or so and there is a general anger here about how we are all getting taken to the cleaners. We don't have Wal Mart here mate, not that I've seen anyway! But yeah the big superstores do sell dirt cheap stuff, albeit of questionable quality and usually from China. Will have a watch of that video

[Ashatav]

Did you know something?

Dr. Deagle says every contactee group (and every person individually) who says the same things that the georgia guidestones says (500 millions pop max) Are Not Being Guided By Good Entities.

Actually what he says, and his illuminati defector C R Hamlett says to is that the contactees in general are talking (and playing with fire) with Non Positive Espiritual interdimensionjal beings who scams those groups. :tongue2:

The illuminati are occultits. :thumbdown:

They are controled by this entities. :thumbdown:

They are playing for You don't look that can salve you, because looking at that, and having confidence in it is only what you need. :biggrin2:

What can salve you is what every illuminati defector says that salves they: Jehoshua. Because the myth who says Jeshoshua are a minor deity is New Age and.. Did you know Tailhard de Chardin, the New Age Father was a Jesuit? And the Jesuits are illuminati. The illuminati are good sellers, haha. :thumbdown: :biggrin2:

So, You are with the twisted luciferian illuminati teachings or with what every illuminati defector (from bill schnoebelen to John Todd) says and many good people who knows to much like Bill Deagle, Bill Cooper, J J Benítez and Alberto Rivera? :thumb_yello:

Simple answer man. :)

Cheers! Don't fall in that illuminati scam!

PD: why I end talking about the luciferian conspirancy agains God??:lmao:

[Rebel4Life]

Ashatav I hope you have some proof with all those claims. I already know about the whole Jesuits involvement in this but to be honest their is no proof whatsoever that doing channeling is to *Evil Entities* all the time. It's an OPINION coming from Dr.Deagle since he hasn't done it himself. This sounds more like your defending religion when in fact religion is the cause of so many wars etc. Besides that I am not defending anything just stating facts :) . Other than that my opinion on George is that some of his info hes putting out there is good if not more. He's the reason why the GROUND CREW and PROJECT AVALON was created in the first place right? :smoke:

Peace,
Rebel4Life

[TAXMASTER]

I think money originally started as a measure of the contributions you made to your village against the usage of the contributions of others. It was a scorecard persay of what you contributed over what you consumed. Now the 2 are mutually exclusive. You can gain an increase in money without making a contribution to humanity and visa versa.

I know the christian thing to do is to give to your fellow man, but if everyone on your block did not have a job and you did, how long do you think it would take you to lose that goddy goody feeling of sharing with others if you went to work all day and came home to feed everyone on your block the food that you bought with your own sweat. To sweeten the scenerio, imagine that you also had to cook the food, clean all the dishes and take out the trash afterwards. Why, because they were to busy playing xbox or playstation. Oh lets not forget that you also got to pay their rent and utilities and buy their clothes....not the ones from wal-mart but the designer stuff at the mall. They can't wear tennis shoes that don't cost atleast $150, but what do they care because you are buying it for them.

Sounds a little far out but how long would it take for you to blow your lid in the above scenerio? This is essentually happening now with those who live off of crime and take from the government. The problem with government handouts is that there is no incentive to remove yourself from the dole. The system will take complete care of you if you are indignant, the minute you go to work for minimum wage, you lose your rent support, food stamps and free medical. You live less than you did when you lived off of good ol' uncle sam.

[Ashatav]

This sounds more like your defending religion when in fact religion is the cause of so many wars etc.

It sounds what you whant to listen. Look at the Rorschash spots philosophy. No, for real. haha.

Religwhat? i don't know what is about.

Exactly, the relig-I-don't-know causes wars, by design mostly.

Catholisism puts Maria in front of Jehoshua to don't look at him. Because they serve the "other" guy, like the illuminati, jesuits and New Age. Catholisism persecuted the cristians for 1000 years. The thing is the cesar Constantine who are a Mythras and Sol Invictus follower wants the cristians dead but he cannot so he mold both religions into what's is today; the catholic institutuion is a Mystery Cult with cristian names.

All the good smart guys say that Jehoshua is what was before the Jesuit New Age said the other, luciferian, thing about him.

Remember, Teilhar de Chardin, the father of New Age was a Jesuit who are illuminati who are luciferians who don't want to look at Jehoshua because they are spiritually low, haha.

Call to Bill Deagle Program for details. HERE (http://www.gcnlive.com/Programs/Nutrimedical/On_Demand.html) you can listen it.

[clarkkent]

this is EXACTLY what ive been wondering and questioning about all these Nazi lookalike ET's suggesting depopulation (by tricking us into conscioussly co creating it)

we create our own reality so nothing is set in stone. in a world of info and disinfo its hard to distinguish who's telling the truth and whos not, and even who is being manipulated into telling what they think is the truth.

so to head for the hills doesnt seem to be the end all be all answer to anything.

think about whats the BEST way to depopulate a planet? nuclear war? famine? disease?

howabout the one that trumps them all? a consciouss co creation of slate wiping Extinction Level Event? to me this seems to be the most insidious plan of all, to make the people who are "aware" into inadvertenly helping the NWO/illuminati, by focusing on a future where almost no one survives but the few who ran to the hills or were in underground bases.

i find it interesting that the "nordic blondes" are the biggest proponent that this event is 100% going to happen. i find it interesting that the people warning of us of this seem to me to be what amounts to a future version of hitler's "master race"

-has no one else noticed this? why arent future black people or indian people or asians telling us this? why are "nordics" telling us there will be no "ascension" yet crop circles imply that that we WILL-as do some "light beings" other people have been contacted by.

these nordics from the future (if that is indeed true) seem like a nazi dream come true. and if they are from the future and working with all these SWISS people or former finance people, dont you think theyd come back to ensure THEIR future which is EXACTLY in the vein of what the illuminati want.

i find these "coincidences" far too disturbing to take at face value of "good nordics"?? the illuminati WANT a master (blonde blue eyed) and a WORKER class and splitting our code into the masters (nordics) and slaves (greys)
can anyone come up with a good reason our future selves are ONE WHITE RACE? and or genetic bio robotic servants?

if we had zero point energy we could have this many people with very little impact on our environment (no emissions, infastructure roads could be removed, teleportation, no cutting down forests) and with a high standard of living the population doesnt rise in fact it would go down a little naturally.
we wouldnt have to live in cramped dirty cities.

i think the idea that the planet can support very little of us is a big lie, if we had this energy thats been denied to us by the elites our lives would be 100% better across the globe and we'd have many acres of forest back as well as species that have been destroyed.

dont let them make you think catastophy is inevitable, thats surely a way to make it happen and fulfill the nazi/illuminati's plan.
we dont need to head for mountain ranges, i believe thats all manipulative BS.

i have to respectfully disagree with mr st clairs radiant zones and his nordic friends as well as mr greene. i just think its fear based and that cant be good.

-kyle

[khokseda]

here are couple of theories:

1. earth/resources can not sustain such a large population (already mentioned above)

2. There are THOSE that can not CONTROL such a large population. So, they need to reduce the population (or pushing for that idea) to where it is better to CONTROL and to keep on CONTROLLING



YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS - - the SSSSSnake idea!

[Rebel4Life]

"call to Bill Deagle Program for details. HERE you can listen it.":mfr_lol:
How deep does the rabbit hole one must ask themselves?
GCN is an affiliated by ABC. In turn ABC Is owned by DISNEY Corporation. Same goes for all those "Truth" websites and people such as Alex jones, Rense etc. ANYTHING you get from GCN you have to look through the trash to find the truth. Some food for thought http://www.bbsradio.com/cgi-bin/webbbs/webbbs_config.pl/noframes/read/1094. Yes I do agree with you that most wars are started by design THROUGH religion :) idc what your beliefs are that is just fact.

Peace~
Rebel4Life

P.S. I am not saying you should stop practicing religion all I am saying is that religion has been used to brainwash the majority of the people to believe everything is evil. The fact is This whole world is NOT black and white "Demons and Angels". It's more of a multicolored dimensional place like a rainbow filled with different entities both good,bad and neutral.People that do psychedelics can tell you this is true ;) *I don't do Psychedelics my friends do*

[8080028]

In fairness to George Green in the handbook for a new paradigm he says
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Since the Creator of this theatre likes this particular theatre and thinks of it as a pet project, this idea doesn’t appeal to Him at all. Since He is not in the business of standing in the way of the creative presentations that are produced within its confines, then He is hoping that the audience will decide to make changes of their own. There is a type of presentation that involves participation of the audience other than just sitting and observing. The theatre entrepreneur is wondering that if the play being presented becomes obnoxious enough to the audience, will they simply walk away and withdraw their attention? This would then allow the cast and its directors to destroy themselves, but then the theatre owner does not want his property destroyed along with them. He is hoping that the audience will come up with some other solution. Perhaps there could be audience participation that would perhaps introduce some new characters that would create lines of script of their own. If a new story line could be introduced with characters that could change the ending, then the performance could be a comedy or a mystery or a love story rather than a tragedy. Maybe, audience participation could indeed create a whole new genre of experience. Instead of depicting repetition of experiences already known, could the audience in the intensity of desire change the story line, come up with a creative scenario that would encompass possibilities not yet experienced? Why not? The greater the desire for change, the greater the opportunity for creative new boundary expanding story themes. Within the spontaneity of group focus, without the academic control of leadership with an intended purpose, conception outside of ordinary themes is not only possible, it is probable.

That to me reads that yes, we can all create a totally new experience and it can be ANYTHING. The fabric of creation is a tapestry for us to paint a beautiful work of art on, and it can be ALL of us. The inevitability of the death of a large portion of humanity is not true. That said, on the subject of people not contributing to society, especially spiritually, and therefore not 'worth' taking along, while I have already said that I think we would be surprised in the change in loads of the people who are broken and downtrodden by the numerous systems in place to mould us if they were to be released from that, there of course will be loads who just will not be able to cope with the truth and also there are a lot of true bad apples. These people will pass from the scene naturally. When the whole situation changes, through whatever mechanism changes it in the next short while, people like that will not be able to change with it and will be left behind by natural causes. We, or the NWO or whoever will not need to wipe anyone out surely?

I don't know but if there are watchers and all these other ET presences observing us since it seems our very beginnings then we must be somewhat of a pet project and they are interested and involved to see what happens to us and what we can become. I have not been so much into the ET stuff as the stuff going on here on our own planet is so massive and involves so much time and to be fair, mental hardship when you see the depth of depravity which has come about by the actions of the PTB. But isn't it true that earth is called by some of the ET's ''The zoo", because of its rich diversity of different species and abundant life and beauty?

Is it not possible that we on this planet are somewhat if not totally unique in for instance this rich diversity of life and also in many other ways, including the potential powers we have when we learn to use our full abilities? Maybe the conditions on this planet make us a rare creature.

What if we have a massive potential positive contribution to make to the 'Galactic community' when we finally raise our consciousness to a higher state, take responsibility and throw off the oppressors who have gradually and deliberately hijacked our existence for the past couple of millenia?

Mirriam Delicado (I think) said that the Tall Blondes are also looking to know God. Maybe humanity's own peculiar make up and potential has a role to play in assisting in this work?

just a thought .

Has anybody read Michael Tsarions Irish Origins of civilisation, vol II?
In it he puts forward his take on the history of the Illuminati and traces them back to the 18th dynasty of Pharaohs. He proposes that the biblical exodus was actually the banishment of the Pharaoh Ahkenaton and his followers and that he was the model for the biblical Moses. He worshipped the sun god Aton and declared himself the personification of Aton. During his reign he desecrated Egypt, leading to his eventual banishment.
There is a very good investigation of the biblical stories as being about Ahkenaton and written by the members of what was to become the Cult of Aton, who then formed the Roman Church and also later the Knights Templar, Masonic orders and Illuminati. He claims that at the root of all this trouble we have now, and all the historical atrocities of the Roman Church and organised religions are the Jesuits, with the Jesuit General at the top. These he claims are totally Luciferian and hence that the whole organised religion argument is just getting people to run around in circles fighting and missing the point.

Rebel for life says:
P.S. I am not saying you should stop practicing religion all I am saying is that religion has been used to brainwash the majority of the people to believe everything is evil. The fact is This whole world is NOT black and white "Demons and Angels". It's more of a multicolored dimensional place like a rainbow filled with different entities both good,bad and neutral.People that do psychedelics can tell you this is true *I don't do Psychedelics my friends do*

But really, should we not maybe say yes, we should stop practicing religion? Religion as in the organised variety? Its false through and true and is there to oppress and control us, period. Like, hearing people say they are Christians really grates with me since they are really saying they are subscribers to the Christian Church, which is actually the Pauline Church, whose whole edifice is such a preposterous and long lived lie and crime that it beggers belief.
We should be able to realise now that we hold the key to knowing 'the almighty', its knowing ourselves and the nature of existence, which we are getting to know through physics and genuine spirituality. the organised religions are unnecessary false mediators.