Lets go?! (almost)Free location found

[Samson]

This post is rewritten because the original location and link were no longer available, BUT!!!
Ive contacted local authorities in Norway and have been offered several locations in one breath! I am NOT kidding!
So if we really want to see and be the change it is possible! All it takes is YOU!
Aint this what Avalon is all about?
If you think you're willing to live in Norway.
If youre willing to live very eco-minded, selfsufficient and all it takes to be part of the solution. It is possible. Land and houses are available and are virtually for free for people with the right intentions.

So I invite you to introduce yourself.
There is room for all of us.

Let's do this.

PLEASE step forward.

The ironic thing is. These locations are mainly abandoned miletary complexes.:lmao:
Authorities are willing to give them (for free) to "eco" people.

I do trust and love you all, but i wont give all the inside information just like that.
(did so last time, and lost the location!)

PEACE!!!

[2infinityandbeyond]

Hey Samson!

Where you located buddy?

I cant translate the page so i cant see what it says, i was thinking about moving to a community like this one purely to get away from current society.

Also, those mountains look awesome for basejumping!!

If you could give me the link to the translation i wont have to go and learn norweigan :thumb_yello:

[Samson]

To get these places rockin again you need people, lots of them.

What are your dreams? Do you think you can realise them in or around a really huge complex with a lot of likeminded people?

[Pluto]

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s37/Boogiefish/ReadingSimley.gif

[Samson]

I'm trying to keep this post as readable as possible. I would have deleted this one if i could but havent found out how to that, yet.

[2infinityandbeyond]

the translated version in Englisch
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.noorwegen.info%2Frein fjordlille.htm&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&sl=nl&tl=en

The place is not used for years. Eco farming is heavely subsidised in Norway.
And as i wrote i see lots of oppertunities here for a lot of ideas.

A few questions.

A. Who owns it?
B. Is it possible to move a community in there?
C. How much will it cost me?

[chatoyant]

the translated version in Englisch
http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.noorwegen.info%2Frein fjordlille.htm&hl=nl&ie=UTF-8&sl=nl&tl=en

The place is not used for years. Eco farming is heavely subsidised in Norway.
And as i wrote i see lots of oppertunities here for a lot of ideas.

I am thinking that in lieu of rent they would expect a comprehensive maintenance arrangement so be sure to recruit craftspeople, woodworkers, painters, plumbers and electricians. Or people ready to learn such craft.

I wish I could go but I bring to much baggage as I care for old people (family). My plan is to retire in Denmark with my Danish cousins. I hope we still have air travel by then!

[2infinityandbeyond]

I am thinking that in lieu of rent they would expect a comprehensive maintenance arrangement so be sure to recruit craftspeople, woodworkers, painters, plumbers and electricians. Or people ready to learn such craft.

I wish I could go but I bring to much baggage as I care for old people (family). My plan is to retire in Denmark with my Danish cousins. I hope we still have air travel by then!

I'm a semi qualified carpeneter. :) Always knew it would come in handy.

[GaiaLove]

excerpt from that site:

Price
There is no rental or fixed farm payment. It does, however, have an agreement whereby the tenant / lessee is responsible for the maintenance of buildings and land. The most important for the regional council is that Rein Fjord Lille back in service and activities that take place again. A business plan is essential.

[2infinityandbeyond]

excerpt from that site:

Thank you.

Ahh, i will maintain the houses if someone does the business plan.

[Samson]

The business plan will be combined from our interests and ideas.
The intent is selfsufficient eco farming. Thats how we'll 'mainly plan to work and live.
Well run a restaurant, have cows, grow biological food. Tourism is a market.
Meditationcourses... how would you like to live?
What will it cost? Little if nothing. Well your ticket to get there is yours.
Thing is if we come up with a descent plan the local authorities are more then willing to let us have these abandoned places.
Much more interested people are needed, before i even consider to contact the authorities there again. The business plan is just ment to make sure we wont live on unemployment income there. (cant find the right word, and cant blame them)

[Jenny]

http://www.migrationinformation.org/Feature/display.cfm?ID=307

[Artemis]

hey...hey....hey....take it easy boy....lol

do you have any experience of that part of the world....

it is soo diffrent from the more populationdense parts of europe.....

can you live without any light in daytime for at least 2 month....complete darkness... lol... and during the summer have sunlight 24/7

the agricultural season is about 3 month.... and it is cold.....

do you consider that Norway is not part of EU and doesnt get any support from them...

do you consider that Norway is a quite expensive country to live in if you have income you will expect to take with you....

A pkt of cigarettes 8 euro..... a pizza 12 euro..... and many from Norway is shopping in Sweden if they live near enough... nearly half the prices....

I dont think they will leave the machines nessecery for farming... they cost a fortune....

It is few people living in that part of Norway.... is it enough people by tourism that will find the place for a restaurant for example......

I can list a lot of more.... but I think this is enough..... so find information and study the subject carefully.....

by the way... I am Swedish but have friends in Norway and have spend some time there....and have experience of the northen parts of scandinavia....

[Samson]

@artemis, and all.
It's a 4 season country. Yep.
Been there more then once and consider it to be one of the most beautiful countrys ive ever seen.
Anyone interested in starting a pizzeria?
You have to be high up North to find these months of winterdarkness...
But Hey if this pole shift comes we might live on the equator soon....lol
The migration information does not apply to us yet. If our intentions are good, we'll get a lot of help to overcome these formalities.
The machines needed for eco farming are subsidised.
Having 30 cows in a biological farm. Brings you 175.000 litres of milk a year that you can sell. There is a good marked for it. And youll
get 8000 Euro's a year subsidy.

Thousands of acres, a lot of buildings, fresh water..., all it takes is a lot of people that will take care of it, without demolishing it.
I really thought it would be easy to get people interested. So far only 5 are really interested.
If we think the "moneymakerssystem" is going to end, we'll have to get selfsufficient.
Sponsors are welcome, dont get me wrong there.
The idea is a free, open, durable, creative selfsufficient society...
We 4 us 4 a better future.
Cheesemakers, beekeepers, woodworkers... It takes a lot of people to make things easy.
This is not a 9 to 5 job. This a 24/7 way of life. It's a big step, i realise that and so should you.

imagine it this way...
We can have the key of an entire abandoned city if we promise to take care of ourselfs the buildings and the beautiful nature surrounding it.
This is not an utopian dream this is real and ours to realise.

So if you think this is interesting, say hi, and give this topic to others that might be interested!

A thousand times, PLEASE

[vipersocks]

Hi Samson,

What a wonderfull idea!

I'm a time served carpenter and joiner and building site manager now lecturing at College, so could provide the necessary skills for the benefit of the community.

I'll have to convince my better half though! Not sure she'd agree but I'll give it a go.

thanks

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

does it have old nuclear shelter facilities? what is it ex military?? im down with it but if war kicks off how will i get to norway from here.. i can take a boat i suppose.. there are 3 of us in group maybe 4.. norway wont be expensive by the time people have to go to this vilage since the globaL ECONOMY WILL COLLAPSE IN 09 Anyway..keep me posted on thsi im very interested :) we need to be able to protect ourselves against neutron weappons...

[Rebel4Life]

Sounds fun but what is your take on this article :
http://www.illuminati-news.com/Articles/59.html
So does that mean we get bunkers too? O.O

[historycircus]

I am not trying to poo-poo on anyone's parade, but there are certain laws, national and international, that one might look into regarding property ownership and occupation before you make the thrust of this thread a viable alternative to dealing with the future right where you are.

"Local authorities in Norway" needs explaination - as the government of Norway is part of the, shall we say, global paradigm of unpleasantness. Ask Billy Mier - even he has issues with his regional "powers that be."

Besides, wherever you live, North or South America, Finland or Botswana, won't the people who live near you and survive what is coming need you the most? Won't you be the most capable to handle the needs of those you are familiar with?

Don't leave a region to join the like minded. Service to others (versus service to self) demands that you don't do what the threadmaker here is requesting - I think. I don't know. Just a thought. I would love to hear what you think.

[Carol]

Here is a site where folks can get instant translations. Enjoy :original:

www.babelfish.yahoo.com

[VinnieCooper]

Weldone Samson. Its a Dream oppertunity for sure.

I've been working on Community Farming / Vocational Training in the UK For a couple of YEARS now. Funding it myself. Its boiled down to me offering free Micro-Farming Solutions to people for their gardens, and serving drinks @ MusicEvents.


We all have interests some of them similer some of them the same and some of them completely different.Thisplan should be able to satisfy them all.

Bussiness Plan. #1

Stage 1 - Sustain "Ground Crew"
Set aside maybe +/- 50 Acres of land to grow; Some Indigenous - North European, Grain and Root Vegetable's which will Constitute as the staple Diet of "GROUND CREW" Who could be LIVING ON SITE. (Perhaps Swede, Turnip, Oats, Rye. Possibly Onion, Leek, Cabbage and or Cauliflower)

Stage 2 - Commercial Agriculture
Using a variety of indigenous Berrys, we use up the rest of the Farming Land.
These Berry Bushes will be pollonated Via a Network of Beehive's which will also provide, two wonderful resourses; Honey & Wax, Oh and berry's.

Stage 3 - Processing Agricultural Resourses
After Establishing a Honey Processing Plant within the Compound, (Not difficult Extraction through centrifuge* - bacicly a series of cunningly adapted Pottery wheels) We turn our attention to the Bussiness of making MEAD or Honey Wine, using both the honey and the fruit. A portion of which we sell to pay for maintainence cost's as part of the contract or pay rent or pay off loan etc. The rest gives us capital for the Next Stage of the Plan. Also this gives us a means to suppliment* our staple diet. (One Possible Market is to sell at or too is the MUSIC EVENT's industry.)

Stage 4 - Vocational Training
Now with this Mead Based capital we employ Expertise in Our fields of interests, to Run Intensive Vocational Training Course's, for the GC. Aimed at providing us with the skills nessesary Teach the various Vocations ourselves. Possibly using our own certification Scheam.

Stage 5 - Vocation School.
With our newly aquired* skills we can then Run Courses ourselves FREE OF CHARGE to whomever is interested. Using the Ample Space afforded by the genorosity of the Norweigen Gov. Hence Providing a Worthwhile Service to the world. Using our Mead Capital and will power to expand the facilities. Everything else can be built up around this structure. Name some intersting Vocations, I can think of hundreds, to name but a few.

Stage 6 - Further Service's
The Space is there and could be well used in Conservation, Reintroduction, Breeding Programs for Endangered species; Such as The North European Lynx, Grey Wolf, Brown Bear, Bison?, Wolveine and or the European Beaver. Not to mention plants insects Reptiles etc.. This Could potentially draw various other oppertunities and interests. All Costs of tuition regarding this could again be offset Via Mead Sale's. If no other professionals Could provide the services required freely aspart of the GC.

Stage 7 - Expansion
Through Promotion of this template we could do similer work through out the world helping people to develop their cultures. Sustably, in subsitance based type fashion.

Stage 8 - Commercial Skills
Through Vocational Training we can also aquire Commercially useful skills, if we provide these skills as a free service sustained by food from similer projects, the world would eventully be run entirely on a volentary subsistance basis. ie no need for tax, too pay some body to work.

This has been a plan that I've been working on for a while now its simply been adapted to this situation.

The Finer Details are another story, but are fairly simple.
But for me they include complete Independance from Non-renewable Fuel's aside from emergency back up facilities.
Possibly The use of clean energy products such as Hydro Wind Tidal etc....We could also act as a Showroom for various Eco Technology's.

I'm very Interested in Expanding this with everybody here that's interested.

Also in the interest of diversity I'm Keen to use Only the indigenous Plants and Animals, and developing only Indigenous Culture' (Norway way has Plenty) as opposed to importing it.

SAMSON YOU ARE THE MAN Amazing oppertunity maybe the Avalon Founders Could Help us ?
I wont Pursue this Until I get some feedback from You but It would be nice to approach this together perhaps using Avalon as the official Vessle? What do you think? Thanks for your posting

Initial Over heads:-
Seeds
Beehives + Bee's (really not that scary...yeahright)
Supply's
Transport

Can i just say Sauna as well.

From Norwegian Horticultural research I find you can expect to yield about 2.53 tonnes of Berrys (RedCurrants + other berrys) per acre.

Peace & Love to you hope we can get things moving soon.

[Metamike]

Hello Samson - I used to be an American citizen. I am now Nowegian - having lived in this country and have family after 38 years of experience here. Your information is intriguing. I looked at the link and could not get the same general idea - but if you are right. I might be a good link to check things out. The Norwegian military has been very much dismembered and of course there are plenty of buildings and infrastructures that are available. As far as I know, they still cost money. I will do what I can to help.

PS immigration to this country is not easy if you are not already in Eu.

[Metamike]

Bussiness Plan.


INDIGENOUS is the ONLY WAY. FULL STOP. Thats the lesson all to often forgotton. Indigenous = Diversity any other Idea = Mono-culture ie bland.

Work with the Indigenous Species, as they already work there why ruin their eco system? Then Process the Produce to add quality.


OBVIOUSLY You'd wouldn't rely on any fossil fuels.
You proberly wouldn't need a fridge.
End up doing the whole
Sauna.
Tipi.
Dogsledge.
skiing.
Boat Building.
Rune casting.
Stav.
& Mead.
Type thing.

Maybe get involved in endangered species Program ie LYNX and birds re-population projects etc...
Fishing Is likley to be quite good.



Lets get real here! I agree that you have to think a little more tribal and indegineous. So far we can only dream of not using wood here in Norway to heat our houses. Solar is good but It will not provide heat in the winter. Depending where you are - Also the winters here are not always that much snow. We are really not talking about a society that is meant to survive for ever. Only until the time that those that are going into the New world 4 density are ready to cross over. If you dont understand this. I can put you up to date.

Who am I - Photographer, graphic artist, painter, NLP - instructor - therapist, hypnotist, author, researcher - free energy - work with simple electronics, web design, carpenter have built 4 houses - fisher, hunter, kajakk padler, and spiritual advisor. I have some economic resources, but they have to be liquidized fairly soon to take advantage of the situation.

[VinnieCooper]

@MetaMan Your Right Meta... I was slightly Lax with my Terminology as regard Fossil Fuel's, I OBVIOUSLY ment to a Suggest a move away from Dependancy on Non-Renewable Fuels, of which Wood Would Consitute The main Body of..... the solution, aswell as perhaps Wind? as you suggested. potentially even Tidal energy due to numerous fjords off the Eastern coast of Norway.

Should I persure this, Which Realisticlly I want to. I'd be potentially bring

A NLP master practitioner (can teach instructors), Homeopath, Hypnotheripist, Nuclear Phyicist, Astrologer, First-aid, Cabinate maker, EX-REME (helicoptor engineer.) Lecturer.

A Chemist and quailified Pharmacist (Currantly works for UN), A Botanist, A Linguist, Farmer....Blah Blah Blah

I'm personally Proficient in all trades, Plumbing (not Gas), Carpentary (especilly in Constructional applications such as Roofing), Tiling, GroundWork, Plastering, Cabling and Bricklaying. I Have experiance in Micro Farming, event organising, Cold Call Canvassing, fundamental motor Mechanics, Welding Various team Sports etc...
Etc Etc :sleep_1: Its not as big as Your List.........

But then Its not so much about what skills you've got, its more about what kind of Attitude you bring.

Humility important toremember. I know my capacity. for instance... Spelling is not one of my strong points, however patients canbe.

Everybody has a Skill Set, I bet the manSampson has loads of skills. I wouldn't care if he didn't, cause he seems like a sincere and motivated kind of a Dude keen to share productive Info ie teamplayer.

Thus Let go of your Ego.MetaMan
that last comment about me not being Realistic made me Angry. Because erh I found it Slightly Condasending. Because Well I'm quiteobviously being serious DONT APOLISIGE just Learn, you can thank me if you must:lmao:

Oh by the way what part of Norway do you come From metaman?

[gazbom]

This post is rewritten because the original location and link were no longer available, BUT!!!
Ive contacted local authorities in Norway and have been offered several locations in one breath! I am NOT kidding!
So if we really want to see and be the change it is possible! All it takes is YOU!
Aint this what Avalon is all about?
If you think you're willing to live in Norway.
If youre willing to live very eco-minded, selfsufficient and all it takes to be part of the solution. It is possible. Land and houses are available and are virtually for free for people with the right intentions.

So I invite you to introduce yourself.
There is room for all of us.

Let's do this.

PLEASE step forward.

The ironic thing is. These locations are mainly abandoned miletary complexes.:lmao:
Authorities are willing to give them (for free) to "eco" people.

I do trust and love you all, but i wont give all the inside information just like that.
(did so last time, and lost the location!)

PEACE!!!
Me and my family are very interested, where could we apply and find more information!

[gazbom]

Thank you.

Ahh, i will maintain the houses if someone does the business plan.
I'll help!
I can lay bricks, plaster and I'm as handy as hell with timber and my hobby is gardening!

[spaceman44]

I think this is absolutely fantastic, and what an opportunity, of course I am very interested, I can turn my hand to most things, but I am a spark (Electrician) by trade. I also have access to some agricultural machinery, plough, cultivator etc, maybe a couple of tractors. I know transportation of the equipment $would be a problem thats why I was consentrating more grouping in the UK, but we could probably come up with some ideas.
WOW well done that man!

please email me: spaceman44@btinternet.com

[Metamike]

Oh by the way what part of Norway do you come From metaman?

I live 45 km. just south of Oslo along the west side of the Oslo fjord - thats what is known as Eastland Østlandet. I think there some military sites available closer to Hamar in central south Norway.

As has been commented by others here. The Norwegian government is largely benevolent but there are exceptions. There would have to be an agreement somewhere where they just couldnt kick everybody out when ever it might serve their purpose.

Sounds like you come with good resources. What kind of orientation do you have to Survival/ascension - what country do you come from?
:original:

[urbe et orbe]

Norway is near from russia, huh?

Also near from doomsday seed vault?

I think it is not the best option...

But you have the right to choose! long live democracy...

Pax et Lux

[Metamike]

I have taken a long hard look at what is really available right now concerning Norwegian military buildings, land, and/or training facilities. When I first read this post, I imagined that there were some possibilities. I have seen facilities for sale at a reasonable price several years ago. That is not the case today. Since I am in Norway, know the language and culture, it is easy for me to do some digging. I found absolutely nothing here that fits the bill.

In the case of international emergencies,, there is always the possibility of Norway making available to refugees its refugee camps which are basically military. These are, however, more like internment camps and not the kind of thing you would want to leave your country for. You would never have a democratic say in how they are run or the kind of people you are living close to. It would only be a place to wait - for what ever.

Back to the drawing board.

PS should I see anything that pops up in my own searches, I'll let you know.

[Samson]

Thanx 4 all the response sofar. The location i'm talking about is not on the market yet, but does exist. I think i have to re-install skype or something because my phone bill must be huge by now. :mfr_omg:
The man i spoke with offered me a job and a house on a small eco cheese farm. Very tempting but didnt fall for it. (might change my mind over the weekend) He offered a wide range of oppertunities, from abandoned schools, trainstations and more. But dont get me wrong here. There is a lot available for free. That doesnt mean we can move in an sit on our *sses for the rest of our lives. You have to come up with a proper plan on how youre gonna make a living. As said before ecofarming is heavely sponsored in Norway.
We also have to be creative to work with and around the rules.
All i've learned sofar there is an long list of options and oppertunities.
Imagine yourself a big piece fertile land, lots of fresh water, and an abandoned village in the middle of it...How are you gonna make that work.
Well first of all you need a lot of people.

This is not an overnight decision. I do agree with one of the previous posters that this thread deserves some extra attention. I admit it does nerve me when i realise what i'm trying to get started. Can i handle it? Wont i mess it up? But then i think, Hey it's not me it's we that want this. So lets get started.

I'm curious about this octobersurprise:yikes:. But we temp to step from one doom story into the other. I think this 4th dimensional thing is that we'll have to be want we to see. Thats the change!
Step out of your fear-mode, and get in your creative-mode.

To give you an idea. Planning preparing and realising this will take months!
So it'll probably be spring next year, before we're ready.
For most of us this will be one of the biggest steps in our lifes.

Now i'm gonne open google earth to have look at the location.

Ill try to write again very soon.

[joet1980]

I'm also very interested in this and it sounds like something I would love to be a part of. Just gonna leave my email here.


bobfugy@yahoo.com

[Pete2403]

Intriguing idea....I discussed something like this on another website but it didn't really get anywhere...I'll advertise the thread there and see what comes of it.

Would be awesome!!

[Samson]

196

Cant make it fit, but this is most of it. You can see a small river on the right side.
There is less grassland then i was hoping for. I see lakes even bunkers on the left.
If youre really smart you might find out where this is. The deal aint done yet so...

The first location was 10 times more beautiful then this one. But this one has a bunker. click to see the pictures big.

[uranian]

very interested in this. englishman living in norway with a wife and toddler. wife less convinced the further north the location is (she's the norwegian, too!). clearly if things go as badly as they might, that's not a concern, other than the growing season's length.

can contribute non-hybrid organic seeds, some permaculture/organic knowledge and great willingness to work with farming. bunch of other stuff too, but that's probably the most directly useful skill (how many astrologers would this would be community need??)

[Samson]

This location is offered to me as an alternative, but this location is way up north (and is very different from the one i had in mind when i started this)
That means de sun wont go down for six weeks a year
and it wont come up for the same period of time.
The only thing i can think of here is to make it a fish farm. (trouts)
The fresh water supply comes from the river.
You can make it a million Euro bizzness.
The conditions are perfect for it.
But do i want to run a fish farm?
Well i do like to make a million Euro's. ( who wants dollars these days?)

How much time does it take to feed fish?
That's your working day!
Piece of cake.

The forrest can provide the food for the maggots we have to grow to feed the fish.
Well i think it's a good idea that might work. I'd love to hear what you would like to create here.

I rest my case here. Thing is, i dont think i can handle the six weeks of total darkness each winter up there.

This is what my fear mode shouts at me;
We live in a f*cked up system. And call the system everything it aint.
Civilized free democratic...
We live in the landowners age. They think it is theirs and we accept that.
In order to have food and shelter we must work 40 years of our lives 40 hours a week 40 weeks a year.
And the landowners will push us trough to 50 50 50. It is theirs, that is how they see it.
They do see us as life stock and of no use.

We are taken care of. Yep...The doom i dont wanne see seems inevitable quite often.
I try to be optimistic but i cant. Knowing what's going on in our world makes me feel responsible.
The 700 billion bail out for the bankers is a reverse Robin Hood action.
Those billions are stolen from the poor and disappear in the bankers pockets.
Its just one of the major scams that are going on these days.
Today i'm back to where i am used to be. Desperate.
Because we dont stop them they'll push us all the way trough the minced mill.
To often i wonder if i want to survive the mess that's so obviously coming up?

I'm glad that i'm aware of the fact that i am an eternal soul. One's i've left this body i can go on exploring the whole universe as i did before.

To turn the location into a fish farm feels like the right thing to do, but i cannot convince myself i want to go there...
I'll step out of this thread for a vew days now. I have to make up my mind if i want the job i've been offered, and so much more.

Ideas are welcome. I hope you can understand the dillemma.
Let's keep on paving the path into a bright future.

New locations will pop up whether or not we will accept this one. Your mails are read, and you will be contacted soon as things develop...
And i will be back here in a couple of days.
Thank you all for getting this started.

[gazbom]

This location is offered to me as an alternative, but this location is way up north (and is very different from the one i had in mind when i started this)
That means de sun wont go down for six weeks a year
and it wont come up for the same period of time.
The only thing i can think of here is to make it a fish farm. (trouts)
The fresh water supply comes from the river.
You can make it a million Euro bizzness.
The conditions are perfect for it.
But do i want to run a fish farm?
Well i do like to make a million Euro's. ( who wants dollars these days?)

How much time does it take to feed fish?
That's your working day!
Piece of cake.

The forrest can provide the food for the maggots we have to grow to feed the fish.
Well i think it's a good idea that might work. I'd love to hear what you would like to create here.

I rest my case here. Thing is, i dont think i can handle the six weeks of total darkness each winter up there.

This is what my fear mode shouts at me;
We live in a f*cked up system. And call the system everything it aint.
Civilized free democratic...
We live in the landowners age. They think it is theirs and we accept that.
In order to have food and shelter we must work 40 years of our lives 40 hours a week 40 weeks a year.
And the landowners will push us trough to 50 50 50. It is theirs, that is how they see it.
They do see us as life stock and of no use.

We are taken care of. Yep...The doom i dont wanne see seems inevitable quite often.
I try to be optimistic but i cant. Knowing what's going on in our world makes me feel responsible.
The 700 billion bail out for the bankers is a reverse Robin Hood action.
Those billions are stolen from the poor and disappear in the bankers pockets.
Its just one of the major scams that are going on these days.
Today i'm back to where i am used to be. Desperate.
Because we dont stop them they'll push us all the way trough the minced mill.
To often i wonder if i want to survive the mess that's so obviously coming up?

I'm glad that i'm aware of the fact that i am an eternal soul. One's i've left this body i can go on exploring the whole universe as i did before.

To turn the location into a fish farm feels like the right thing to do, but i cannot convince myself i want to go there...
I'll step out of this thread for a vew days now. I have to make up my mind if i want the job i've been offered, and so much more.

Ideas are welcome. I hope you can understand the dillemma.
Let's keep on paving the path into a bright future.

New locations will pop up whether or not we will accept this one. Your mails are read, and you will be contacted soon as things develop...
And i will be back here in a couple of days.
Thank you all for getting this started.
A fish farm needs more than maggot's, their are parasite problems and the water needs to be cleaned, constantly, we need a Doctor, nurses, electricians, plumbers, builders, we need to be able to grow vegetables, we need chickens, pigs, cows, not to mention generators we need to be super self sufficient, tractors, buses and we need to combat the cold!

[VinnieCooper]

Norwegion Fish Farm Hmm... there would have to be somthing on the side funded by the fish farm for me to be Interested Like endangered Species Breeding Program or somthing. Humans :naughty: or Lynx I Guess Would Be a nice Idea But I Am UK so still Torn about leaving my "Work" Here.

Just found Out there's a Nuclear fall out shelter less than 5 minutes away from my currant situation in UK, right next to an Old Quarry / Nature Reserve full of lakes etc... Emergency Southern Air command Center I think. Plus some Caves nearby also.

Makes me very nervous about who might turn up there in an emergency Situation.

We've got some travellers near buy at Pendle militery Base, I might Just go and Live there, I'm used to working with them anyway.

But for this Norway Project, KALE would be a useful Vegetable, and Can grow even Under Snowy Conditions. Brewing Alcohol is another Vice worthy of Investigation
How about Trout Vodka ??

Combat the Cold With a Sauna.
Combat Transport Issues with Dog Sledging Skiing And ReinDeers.

Wonder about the Aurora Borealis ?

Obviously would be taking my "own" Women, Dr. STranGE LoVE, Style.

Dont mind Working all Day For Women/Children but Proberly Not so Interested in Working Long Cold Hard Days For Mysticaly skilled fella's... Unless they speak Norwegian. LeadWorkes?

[Samson]

The700 billion bail-out has been approved...
It's nothing more or less then a signature into the end of civilization as we know it!
If we are lucky it buys us some time.
Just try to understand the amount of money involved! 700 billion...
The working class hero's have to work 1 years nonstop just to pay back this bill.
The total bill is 11 years years of nonstop working now.
It wont happen it is a 100% certainty now.
Trouts need more then maggots, true. But trouts (salmons) do not even get maggots because maggots are to expensive!
The water comes from an endless stream from higher grounds, it is drinkable water, that will endlessly stream into the ocean within a vew miles.
Just let the water flow trough the bassins, and keep the fish in, thats really all it takes.
The water temperature wont allow parasites. Parasites are only a problem for farming trouts in warmer water.
I havent even planned this but as far as i know there is not even ONE ecological fish farm in the world!!!
Alcohol can be brewed from almost everything. It will cost you a fortune if you want to buy it in Norway. (been there)
We wont get permission, but we will make our own as far as i'm concerned.
I have said i dont really like this alternative location.
But a trout farm on this location, is the perfect thing to do with it.
If we would not have a single penny we would have to dig these bassins by hand,
20 people, 20 grand, and 1 year with or without any major catastrophe will make this a "million dollar" bizzniss.
Farming trouts in Spain is as stupid as growing pineapples in Norway.
Both are done today!
1 billion people alive today didnt have ONE meal today.
Trout farming is what you CAN do on this location.
Other farmings need more knowledge and maybe more care.
This part of the world makes birds fly 5000 miles WHY?!!!
Experimenting with all you think is possible is what gives you the ticket.
Have found 50 jobs on the spot already. (within miles)
KALE? Dont know anything about it. Love to know more.
Pigs and chickens will work.
Cows wont reasonably make it on this spot.
What it takes is some reasonable planning on the fresh water flow....
Look at the buildings (bassins) What does it take to make a by-pass on the river?
Remember, this is not mine! This is ours to have if we can take care of it.
I ve read about several caves on the spot no one ever explored.
Breeding endagered or experimantal species is what this is all about.
Basic in this topic is (should be) WE have to be the change.
This is what ive been offered here and i am working on.
Trouts grow perfectly here, lets grow trouts.
I know of simular sized properties in Spain.
In Spain it wont rain...You wont freeze there either.
Yep
Stay in your lazy chair pretend 2b not aware.
Ive just been informed obout property in Poland....
twentythousand acres....
The 700 billion bailout is begging me to solve it.
I cant.
It is f*cked up.
Zoom zoom, Zennn.
Ostrichs.(struisvogels)
Ive reached my point of no return.
I am what i am
its right.
Im easy to scare
but i SAM i AM aware...
Truth is. You can kill my body.
You can destroy this planet.
But you cannot destroy the idea.
We and us are being taken care of right now.
We and us have 3 years and 3 months from here.
From there on we can see we were right.
So go ahead and shoot me
its only about eternity
right?
Any opinion can and and will destruct you in the name of law...
What law?

Not all the people are dumbed down yet...

Me working on a cheese farm... i think i ll take the job

[Swamisalami]

Upnorth the water is frozen half the year.

Fish is coldblooded. This means they don't have a heatingsystem like human have to stay at a certain temperature. When the water is cold the tempurature of the fish is the same as the water. They wont feed because the don't "burn" energy. You need an ax to get to your fish. When you finally have one you have burnt more energy then theres in the fishy.

Fish out of fishfarm are genetically manipulated (genes removed) so they will grow in one year as fat as they would grow in the wild in seven years. For every kg of fish you will have to feed them 2 kg of food. Were will you get that?

Some peoples think fishfarms are the answer to a lot of problems but thats a big lie! The fisstocks in the ocean will go dubble as fast with all those farms. Most of the fishfarms are in the estuaria of rivers. They cause big havoc and disease in those rivers. because of used antibiotics which causes all kind of parasites to get resistent and kill off the fishstocks in the rivers.

Take a lot of vitamine D3 with you because there won't be much sunlight.

Still in the summer it would be a great place to be. There are suffient river with a lot fish in it (and insects!). If you catch them during the summertime and conserve (smoke) you will have fatty food during the winter. There's a lot of wild live which you could hunt.

[w1n]

What do you think about:
George Green:
Project Camelot Phone Interview?
The whole Nothern Hemisphere will be **** up so you can't live there!?

[Samson]

I just cant get my head out of the 700 billion bailout. I consider it to be the biggest theft in human history. This is a short clear newsitem about the dept. (9 minutes)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H99Kl4n_s0k&feature=related

The current steps taken do not make any sence.

I think the poleshift is a known certainty. The wobble will cause waves so high you cant even imagine. The Russian boy Boriska is right about that.

I also think that if this criminal bailout doesnt wake you up, nothing will.

The system is 100% f*cked up!

The location Reinfjord Lille that i was talking about when i started this is no longer available. The current one doesnt interest me really. Its the base below Salangen.

I have given it more then a thought. But cant see it work out...

This "october surprise" might be much bigger then we think. But it wont be the wave.

Prepare your body and soul for a no money society. It ll be chaotic! soon. Very soon.

I hope to be proven wrong, but i am right.(?)

There is not a single cell left in me that wants to cooperate with the system.
Because we are not included...

We are driving ourselves into total destruction with 180 miles an hour.
Americans would have to pay 110% income tax just to pay their bills.
It wont happen, so get ready for the worst.

I want to solve this, and adapting to local laws wont solve anything.
This crisis wont just disapear overnight. No matter how hard you wish.

Ill translate some of my previous writings in the past and post them here soon.

Salangen is not what i had in mind when i started this.
We can change what is happening. But we cant stop it anymore.

We are taken care of, and that is not positive.

We are in a war, but i wont fight!

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

remeber they wont let us just be hippies in a commune and leave us alone in norway.. im assuming at some point we will be under attack.. so economy is useless.. we are to be self sufficient. forget there system.. its gonn abe 5 years of ruff stuff in my opinon

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

underground comunities that are small and off the radar.. we not be allowed to not comply with the system. they will just round us up and execute us or imprison us.. or chip us inopt concentration camps till we die of overwork and starvation... we must stay off the radar in my opinion when it gets rough.. once nuke war kiks off (if it does) our foes will be fried (police, home gaurd ect) so once its a nuclear waste land we can come back out inot the world.. sounds grim but thats prob gonn abe the reality..

[Samson]

Tic, tac.
To late.
Good luck.

love U

Make it better, dont obey.
I wrote somethings in the system, and got banned...
INSTANTLY
So what am i afraid of?

Nothing but
torture
Ill make sure they cant...
I hope.

Ive had a blinded car in front of my door for 4 hours today.
Cant be i live in the middle of nowhere.

NU jij

No truth is wanted!

BB is bigger then U real EYES.

I think avalon is about solutions, and camelot shows the problems.

I share and its getting me nowhere.

We have some months
i hope

But its only us.

People are sheeple
avalon is proving it....

Dont lock us out!
Bill and Carry are worth a billion bucks.

There are people who know.
Out of the system.

Dont block them out by a Visa out of this!

WE NEED US

Love light left right
fully aware!

[Samson]

Wont be going anywhere
cant sell my house
what you should do if you read this
buy those tiny tomato paste cans.
Thats real gold soon.
tomatenpuree in Dutch.
Its 5 cents for 5 tomatos and theyll last 4 ever.
Your best 5 cents ever.
Blikjes tomatenpuree. Real gold.
Dont tell.DO!

[fastarr]

That sounds fantastic.




This post is rewritten because the original location and link were no longer available, BUT!!!
Ive contacted local authorities in Norway and have been offered several locations in one breath! I am NOT kidding!
So if we really want to see and be the change it is possible! All it takes is YOU!
Aint this what Avalon is all about?
If you think you're willing to live in Norway.
If youre willing to live very eco-minded, selfsufficient and all it takes to be part of the solution. It is possible. Land and houses are available and are virtually for free for people with the right intentions.

So I invite you to introduce yourself.
There is room for all of us.

Let's do this.

PLEASE step forward.

The ironic thing is. These locations are mainly abandoned miletary complexes.:lmao:
Authorities are willing to give them (for free) to "eco" people.

I do trust and love you all, but i wont give all the inside information just like that.
(did so last time, and lost the location!)

PEACE!!!

[Ruken]

I kind of have 4 years law enforcement experience and am knowledgeable in building clearing. I'm also a team player/very hard worker and can learn just about any skill. Some other stuff:

-First responder licensed.
-CPR certified.
-Trained by Sheriff for weapons safety and firing range.
-2 year degree(working on 4)
-Have lots of my own supplies

[Samson]

Letters have been written.
Permission will be given in 2 days.
Then its up to you.
If i dont get permission
so what.
Never ever i was or will be a slave!
Refused and will refuse to be the boss as well.
Ive solved this
Saw it coming 20 years ago
Sticked 2 it.

The comming week everything that happened last week might seem like blind panic.
I DO hope so. All that does is buy us time.
The system is F*cked up.
America ows 55 000 000 000 000 dollars to the world.
1 in 5 humans is starving from it!
!@#$%^&*()_
Youll find some f*ckin answers here in days.

I didnt read a million books like Willcock.
Im not part of the programm like Icke.
And not as lost as...
Knew better from the start...
Went for truth and got it from within!

I consider myself dead or solving this.
The problem is big...
solutions are easy...

I do believe in the right mind set of Kerry and Bill.
Dont block this or us yet. I dont have a bank account...
Cant explain it in a vew lines, and need help (and have been offered)
to translate all i know.

I know it doesnt have 2 be. It is U who decides!
You are!

If 2 offers i made normal thinking would solve it , but are refused...
Ill offer a million....

2 put it together. I didnt have children because i saw whats going on when i was one.
My parents wernt mine. My names are Sammy Emmanuel Josef.
I know the names resonate but i dont have one single f*ckin thing 2 do with the mess im living in. But who am i? Just someone who cant cope with the lies i am tought to believe.

If nothing turns out i have to disapear. Hope 4 the best and tell it right here.
Thats why i hope this Avalon thing stays open more or less.
This is why the internet will be blocked in 2 years.
Pay pay pay pall.
Thats all youre here 4...
I can live even on zero bucks. Cant tell any f*ckin thing without intern net.
This is us. Listen slow down enjoy dance and dont be afraid...

Ive stopped playing chess to not waist my time!
Im not the smartest human in the world.
My score is 140+ on IQ in Dutch. Im NOT stupid, im NOT perfect.
I am living in a F*CK up! And so are U!
Would U like 2 know?

There is no single penny or a billion bucks in the world that can tell you.
The people that can shouldnt be obligated to pay to tell!!!
If i win or have a million bucks id share them.

2012 has nothing to do with whatever...
Its just a part of the plan thats been planned a long long time ago.
By some pirates...

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Ban me, shoot me, stop the happening, its NO party and doest involve you!
Keep Avalon what it is ment 2 be! The truth! And Solutions...

Ive been sober most of my life. After 911 its alcohol and homegrown hasj that keeps me breathing.

We are taken care of... just like the jews in WW2
Unless we are willing 2 take care...

We can go somewhere.
Ill have 2 stand 4 it.
I believe in you.
Lets do it.
NOW

Wrote more then i planned.
Whats wrong with right?...

Love you
Need you
On a non violence basis.

Might read as messy but ive made progress enough 2 SHOUT OUT LOUD.

Srry kids
Dont fight, dont worry
HOW?????

Dance!
Create!

Dont join the army...

Im 38
youth in my country call me a living fossille.

cant write on have to press enter

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

your iq is 30 points above average.. so yes you are def not stupid :) im gonna have to stay here in the uk to ride it out.. if we have nuke war im looking to head south to warmewr climates since northen hem will be peramanent in winter for at least 3 years if it does go off.. im still undecided. depends on the level of activity/devastation ect ect

[Samson]

Its guantanamo bay that keeps me away from pointing it out!
Without any limit anyone! everywhere anywhere can be tortured 4 EVER, there!!!
Americans call that freedom, right?!...!@#$%^&*(

Its the endless torture Americans allow, that does scare me most.
The brutal endless torture...
WHY?
It makes me cry!
I dont fear death, its the years of torture i fear!

Did translate some of my essential writings but stumbled on this major block! GUANTANAMO BAY...
Anyone anywhere can be locked up and tortured 4 ever down there!

Translated 12 pages and this is the one, why i cant go on.
Today...
Think i can throw all my writings away as long as there is guantanamo bay
ITS HELL, THE WORST IN OUR UNIVERSE! AND BEYOND.

tic tac Yep panic can still get a hold on me.
But it will no longer stop me!!!
Ill be back, and so will you!
Did i ever say i love you
but dont know
how 2

[Orion11]

:mfr_omg:
is this for real? :yikes:


what needs to be done to get the show on the road?.... an exodus? lol
:original:

[Samson]

Cant sell my house in this market!

The trillions that are waisted these days make me explode.

90 % inflation for the comming year is 100% sure.

The mess shouldnt be solved by the one's who created it....
It is happening!

There are rules there, (jump)
more then i am willing to accept.

Salangen is not the end of the world, but its close.
I dont want to adapt to a million rules to get permission.

More and more regulations pop up.

I am NOT interested in becoming a slave on the North pole.
Wont take you there either.
This so called free location will pop up, and ill give you the link.
Its dead 4 ages. Its a lot of buildings and a lot of acres.
Its above the pole circle but it has a summer average of 16+ celcius.

I dont know how 2 play this.
And ill never f*ckin ever fight 4 it.

In my street people still think im a total nutter...

We might be surprised by a deadly flu or whatever.
The money system is dead, only doctors dont agree yet.

The money system is dead.
The money system is dead.

Be wise while it still works!

It will be gone within a year.

Im sorry 2 be sure 2 be able 2 promise you that.

Written it away in the news, and got lost in a day.
News is history in a day.
America is broke is my no. 1 story.
Food for 136 years will take 1 day of work in your life is another.

Dow will hit 5500 this year
might go down to 777 as well.

All it takes is a normal brain that wants 2 know to under- and upperstand!

No, its not the end of the world.
Its the end of everything U took 4 granted.

Slavery or free

yep

A vew years ago i got nailed by tax laws.
Its the law right, \


yep

blup
told you

Attack this so called news with questions
Wont help but if you believe it might wake u up.

Ive been tested
made 140 on IQ tests.
Its a parabolic curve.

Its telling a blind guy what u see.
Yep

Growing old is not in the plan, it happens or not.

By not waisting the rest of this beautiful forum
my point is my star.

Everything youve been able 2 dream of is true.
Multiply it by 10 and thats you.

4 ever

and ever
and ever

I can imagine its hard 2 see
its your lack of dimension awareness.

Real life is a playstation 12
Dont ever under^&*( YOU.

Get ready 4 the worst.
We R toys.

Game on.

[Samson]

i stampede in Dutch
Without doubt.

Game on is hide me.

By pressing enter i ll promise you 2 tell
the basics
Ill f*ckin translate what is obvious.
Ill get killed like millions
before and after me.

Real answers coast millions.
Lives.

50 people for 50.000 sofar.

I deeply honestly truely like 2 meet 1 real person.

WE DONT CARE
WHETHER WE ARE OR NOT AWARE.

yep

I d like 2 save 2 billion people.
The only way is 2 open their eyes.

In a 2000 trillion fraud
there are no
permits.
Normal people just wont get the numbers....

Blame ME 4 pointing it out!

Burn him kill him
yep
sick sick sick and dubble sick
in a total rotten system.
Truth
U
R
NOT
ready
Is there room 4 any whatever truth

nope


get it
got it

lets kill zillions

u r sick
we r lost.

time does it....

lost faith in whatever


kill me solves all, sure?

[Samson]

youll have 2 talk like f*ckin Nostradamus these days
90% inflation in a year is not something normal people can understand.
Theyll say it wont happen.
yep
It is happening...
Its not broadcasted
!@#$%^&*()(*&^%$#%^&*()_)(*&^%$
lost patience.
Youll see why soon.
Very very soon.
srry

[borrasca2012]

HAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!!!!!!!


LIVING SINCE 10 years in norway....and i know some for SURE.....


NOTHING in this ****n country is for free ............


.......if u wanna live here , bring much money with u......


if not ......................u will leave the country faster than u think.....






.........and cows and farming ??????? forget about it......



.....better to go to south amerika or australia, newsealand.....