Drugs for a survival situation?

[chelmostef]

Hi all

I was thinking if the worst came to the worst and we had to live in the wild or find food for ourself. All we would have is the things we have prepared our selves with. I.E rucksac, fire lighting kit, pushbike, ect.

My question is this: What drugs medicine could we take with us that we help in surviving for a length of time if food was in short supply that would not take up your whole rucksac?

All I can think of in this point of time is Kendal mint cake.

Stef

[angelite]

Learn the medicinal herbs in your area and how to make medicines with them.
I have been teaching this at a college here for about 16 years.
Where I live we have about 60 medicinal herbs and they can be use for most anything that you will need.
www.angelite.org Healing the world one person at a time.

[Baggywrinkle]

First Aid Kit

This is obviously only a suggested list from research, personal experience and consultation with our family doctor (a sailor) before our one-year cruise. Your needs may differ. Use the list as a starting point to discuss a cruising medical kit with your family doctor.
Records

* First aid books
* Phone numbers for hospitals and doctors
* Eyeglass prescriptions
* A complete record from your pet's vet, a recent rabies vaccination

Tools

* Scissors
* thermometer
* needle pliers
* flashlight, penlight
* Scissors
* Eye dropper
* Tweezers
* Ear syringe
* Latex gloves
* Q-tips
* Towel
* Splints
* Thermal blanket

Bandages

* Bandaids (plastic, fabic)
* Liquid bandaid (waterproof)
* Roll bandages (Kling)
* Gauze rolls 110 cm wide
* Adhesive tape (Elastoplast)
* Sterile gauze pads 2, non-adhesive
* Skin closures 3
* Cotton balls
* Q-tips
* Tensor elastic bandages small,large
* Tourniquet rubber tube
* Neck brace
* Arm sling

First Aid Products

* Antibiotic wound cream (Lanabiotic, Polysporin)
* Topical anesthetic (Solarcaine) for sunburn, insect bites
* Antiseptic - Mercurochrome, hydrogen peroxide, rubbing alcohol, Hibiclense, Betadine
* Vaseline
* Antibiotic eye ointment (eye infection)
* Saline eye wash (eye irritation)
* Activated charcoal tablets (poisoning)
* Styptic pencil (stop bleeding)
* Linament (muscle pain)
* Fleet Enema (severe constipation)
* Antifungal cream (Canesten)
* Toothache pain medicine
* Antibiotic lozenges (sore throat)

Drugs

On a boat you may need to function in an emergency situation where a doctor not available. The right drug could allow you to function or save your life. Consult with your doctor about a drug kit for your cruise - this list was created some years ago with our own doctor, and should simply be used as a starting point.

* ASA, Acetominaphen - headache
* 222's - pain, severe headache (prescription required in U.S.)
* Tylenol No.3 30mg - pain, toothache
* Percocet - severe pain (broken bones)
* Sudafed 60mg - sinus congestion
* phenergan suppositories 25 - nausea
* phenergan 25mg - nausea
* Allegra 180mg - mild allergic reactions
* Atarax 25mg - allergic reactions (bee sting)
* Imodium mild diarrhea
* Lomotil 2.5mg - diarrhea
* Septra 160mg - dysentry UTI (antibiotic)
* Ipecac syrup 14ml - food poisoning
* Colace 100mg (docusate sodium) - stool softener
* Dulcolax 5mg - constipation
* Keflex 500mg - infection
* Pen VK 500mg - Abcessed tooth Strep
* Zithromax (zpak) URI
* Valium 5mg - muscle spasm, severe anxiety
* Dalmane 30mg - sleep aid
* Naprosyn 500mg - swelling/sprain, muscle pain
* Prednisone 10/20mg severe swelling/asthma
* enough medicine you require on a regular basis to last the cruise

Keep prescription drugs (or anything that looks like drugs) in original bottles with a copy of their prescriptions. Note: Some common OTC drugs like Tylenol 3 and are illegal without a prescription in other countries like the US.

[Mizar]

Nice Post Baggy;
Good thing Mrs Mizar is an RN, we will update the Boatkit, and the Homekit starting Tomorrow.
M

[2infinityandbeyond]

I will be most definitly stocking up on cannabis seeds.

The cannabis plants have endless uses from medicinal to clothing to just pure fun! If the whole world is falling down around me i would feel lost without a spliff to celebrate my fast approaching demise.

p.s the government can kiss my ass if they think im not gona dot the country with cannabis if the **** hits the fan.

[371]

I once read about a bush pilot who only carried one thing in his emergency kit: s gun w/ one bullet. Apparently this guy had a mortal fear of freezing to death so he wouldm't even attempt to survive in a crash situation. Scary.

But I know that's not what you're talking about here at all...

[Dantheman62]

I will be most definitly stocking up on cannabis seeds.

The cannabis plants have endless uses from medicinal to clothing to just pure fun! If the whole world is falling down around me i would feel lost without a spliff to celebrate my fast approaching demise.

p.s the government can kiss my ass if they think im not gona dot the country with cannabis if the **** hits the fan.
Amen 2IandB, and nice post baggy, although I could cut the list down some, oh and you can get a good first aid kit almost anywhere that has alot of good stuff in it! PEACE!

[Carol]

Aspirin, Tiger Balm, Cipro (all-round antibiotic good for respiratory infections) and neosporan (sp?) (anti-bacteria cream) were the items one friend carried around with her on her trip throughout Asia and India. She said that these items were the basics and really did the trick for the many months she was away.

Come to think of it I think I would add cayanne pepper and cinnamon too.

[Lance]

I will be most definitly stocking up on cannabis seeds.

The cannabis plants have endless uses from medicinal to clothing to just pure fun! If the whole world is falling down around me i would feel lost without a spliff to celebrate my fast approaching demise.

p.s the government can kiss my ass if they think im not gona dot the country with cannabis if the **** hits the fan.


I was Canada's first 'licensed' cannabis grower and in case someone missed this video...it is important for everyone to see...and no, I don't grow anymore...too much of a hassle dealing with the Feds.

http://www.youtube.com/chrychek

But to be honest, when I've gone 22 hours North of Vancouver to the start of the Alaska Highway to look for pine mushrooms...the one thing I carry in my pocket to keep me alive is ***********. I know it sound funny, but hey, in a wooded area you can't light a fire in (because it will sink and burn the area around you down) staying up all night reminiscing with a friend in an opposite tree is a damn fine idea. I've still got my bit from 10 years ago...

[FrostyMcunicron]

Let us not forget Adolph Hitler was addicted to methamphetamines and the fictional Sherlock homes was an IV cocaine addict, substance abuse has dictated a vast amount of historical events from the opium wars in the east to the early USA shipping & selling tobacco to numerous countries in which it was outlawed.


* I DO NOT ENCOURAGE THE USE OF ANY ILLICIT SUBSTANCES! Check your local laws by calling the county police station before purchasing any unknown substance off the street *


Diamorphine(heroin) as the most effective pain killer if your seriously unsure and very afraid as to whats after this life, planning on dieing soon, prepping for pole shift, other excruciating painful deaths and/or(but not limited to!)doomsday scenario's or great global catastrophe. I want to be clear im not telling everyone to go out and get hopelessly addicted but if you seriously feel you cant handle death without painkillers & plan on dieing soon and have no prior experience.

-The drug's rapid binding affinity to certain receptors in the brain make it one of the best candidates to numb the pains & mental anguish of patients experiencing the death cycle(according clinical studies). Fentanyl second followed by morphine all preferably IV when faced with extremely painful situations in countries where they are legal(pre-1900's house Dr.s commonly prescribed heroin for the common cold).

I DO NOT RECOMMEND or ADVOCATE: using or consuming any drug or substance to people in general & especially those who have past addiction/dependence to said substance due to the high likely hood of developing a dependence. It would be best to completely avoid painkillers if you have an addictive personality but take comfort in the fact that the human body can knock itself out when the pain hits a certain level of intensity.

anyone who may have developed opiate dependence is encouraged to read into suboxone & subutex.


Cannabis has an interesting history. Predicted to be the First ever super crop(crop to exceed 1 billion $ in annual revenue) in the USA before many business owners who's profit was threatened joined arms in a smear campaign re-dubbing the well known crop cannabis sativa into a super potent wacky drug, MARIJUANA; Coining the term hoping that its mexican origin would give the crop a new found derogatory image in the USA. It worked, the marijuana TAX STAMP act of 1936(i believe) was passed & prohibition still exists today..


Last but not least the one person closest to Hitler as far as having people killed is said to be Pope Innocent VIII (1432-1492) the third pope. Mostly over the use of herbs as medicine.. Pretty kool of him, huh?

The below could be considered a matter of personal opinion.
Problem is now the USA gov.(arguably a corrupt group) is the 1# Dealer of notoriously fatal impure unregulated drugs like Heroin & Cocaine and have been making an unfathomable amount of $ at the expense of the people. MONOPOLY? All the money made getting it in the country & then the money made taking it out, the court fee's and fines & prison system etc. is stacking up way higher then what any gov. would hope to make off of taxing plants.

fact:
-sober for a good few years

& will not be touching mind altering substances again, once you understand the basics of how they work its not worth the trade offs. Also, this reality is just such a trip sober theirs no point in distorting it anymore then it already has been. My 2 cents. To each their own!

No percocet! hold the side of acetaminophen mannggg, useless.

[bluestix]

the one thing I carry in my pocket to keep me alive is ***********.



I hope you are not advocating this to anyone.


This is seriously terrible advice.

[FrostyMcunicron]

the one thing I carry in my pocket to keep me alive is ***********

I hope you are not advocating this to anyone.


This is seriously terrible advice. ~bluestix

::::crickets chirp::::

[Lance]

I hope you are not advocating this to anyone.


This is seriously terrible advice.

As a drug to have in pocket in the middle of the BC Interior region, 22 hours North of Vancouver (at 80km per hour without breaking the speed limit this covers 1/2 the Province) I wouldn't recommend anything else to be honest.
"seriously bad advice"

What exactly is your scenario for someone on the move in the middle of the bush, and I am not being facetious here....just querying. There is a reason the Luftwaffe flew on it for a few years. It is a highly functional drug in emergency situations.

I already grow my own opiates and know how to extract them. I do not use them for the most part. I have a disdain for pharmaceuticals, they suck. Not to mention they are noxious. Just because something is advertised as a 'high' or 'the thing' does not make it bad. Everything is neutral until it is put into use by cognizant beings. I for sure will continue to take a small ampule of ******* into the woods every time I go. Maybe you are an urbanite plagued by the addicts or something, but I am not and I refuse to commit to a forum like this and be PC about it.
That's the only thing I take besides a vial of Dragons Blood which heals anything in a few minutes flat. Geesh, I live with Timothy Ploughman's student (who was a student of Schultes) and he thought it a great thing to carry in the Amazon. But he didn't know about it.

I'm not advocating anything, but if someone needs advice and I can draw from my pool of resources which is mighty...I'll speak my mind thank you very much. Perhaps bluestix, whatever that means, you might try walking in someone else's path for a bit before you become a curmudgeon. What if I said 'ritalin'. I don't care what anyone takes anywhere but I have found that te ability to stay up all night in the deep woods is a fine thing.

I didn't advocate getting high or smoking *****. I mentioned a usefull item in my kit that everyone whom thinks properly, should have. I've dealt with 3 bears attacking my chicken coop this year...didn't do *******, but it sure felt like I did afterwords.

Dragons Blood (Not the resin)
http://www.sangrededrago.net/

[OceanWinds]

what about MDMA?

[FrostyMcunicron]

I for one think it wasnt out of line lance, i didnt mean to offend with the cricket sound op & by dragons blood i really hope you dont mean the incense!:thumbdown: After all amphetamines are prescribed to thousands of children each day, a methyl ring makes a bit of a difference but their still the same basic class. BC must be sick this time of year, thanks for the info share.



What about MDMA exactly? I have had some brush ups in my youth but wouldn't recommend it, seratonin's too precious & regenerates too slow IMO*in my opinion*. Also, if anyone plans to make that a woods thing in a legal location test to ensure its real MDMA as opposed to
extacey tablets cause 50% of those contain meth..


The prior woods statements remind me f the native's drug rituals involving mescaline containing cacti, ayuashca and psychedelic mushrooms.

[Lance]

I for one think it wasnt out of line lance, i didnt mean to offend with the cricket sound op & by dragons blood i really hope you dont mean the incense!:thumbdown: After all amphetamines are prescribed to thousands of children each day, a methyl ring makes a bit of a difference but their still the same basic class. BC must be sick this time of year, thanks for the info share.



What about MDMA exactly? I have had some brush ups in my youth but wouldn't recommend it, seratonin's too precious & regenerates too slow IMO*in my opinion*. Also, if anyone plans to make that a woods thing in a legal location test to ensure its real MDMA as opposed to
extacey tablets cause 50% of those contain meth..


The prior woods statements remind me f the native's drug rituals involving mescaline containing cacti, ayuashca and psychedelic mushrooms.

To be more than honest...I share several friends whom are really good friends with Alexander Shulgin whom popularized MDMA. He is a Bohemian Grove member and I am not sure about most of his concoctions. Here is my confusion about him on RMN http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=129897

I do not like MDMA. I suggested xtal because it is a survival drug when and if you really need it. It's not foggy or mushy, and look, I'm a Permaculture Nurseryman who's sole interest is to garden until I drop. I have done all the drugs in Shulgins library and more...but to me...the best thing (not to get too off topic) is to have xtal in your 'toolkit' in case of a emergecy.

I've carried people 2-3 km out of the bush before with sprained ankles. I didn't want ibuprofin, aspirin or even heroin. I, that's a capitol I wanted a speed to carry the bugger out!

And BC is crazy right now, harvest, olympics etc...nutz.

[chelmostef]

Thanks baggywrinkle for your list.
I have brought my self books and field guides for plants and survival guides. They list soap wort, horse chestnut, chickweed, as good for hygiene and cleaning.

Stef

[utopiated]

- Well look, all this moral waffle can go out the saucer window *if* some of the suggested apocalptic scenarios end up happening in the next few weeks/months/years... morals are not needed - but dealing with ignorance and education in a non-judgemental level is required. By newer priorities emerging as the older contradictions in the previous system begin to show we have an opportunity to develop new, tolerant modes of living.

- Having studied the drug economy [I used to work with chronic addicts and the UK NHS] and also what I call the 'above-government narco trafficking systems' - a term I liberated from Dr Bill Deagle, narcotics represents a highly efficient, collapse-proof, separate, liquid pseudo economy. So even during rough times for mainstream economic flows - I'd wager than the whole range of narcotics will become one of the better methods for

- barter mechanisms
- "wealth" [whatever that is] accumulation
- holding high value and inelastic demand
- Treating your mates during times when the outlook gets bleak and thus gaining popularity ':)

On a personal level - I'd suggest that any form of opioid substance will come under vast demand as time goes on during a period of societal break-down. If anyone watched Jericho - when they arrived at the last functioning hospital - it was the opiate based substances that were demanded the highest rates of payment in gold or barter.

I'd say many other medications [insulin] will do the same.

For personal choices, cannabis is a must given that half the western world smoke it... you'd have your stash and if it was possible you'd gain good returns by swapping some of it for other needed items.

So yes - for all of us who have sat listening to radio interviews where many people have discussed mass moving their assets into gold or silver - knowing that we have sweet FA to move into anything like that [!?] - there are other options if you think about it. And the vast range of medical, legal and currently illicit substances are one way of assuring you're ok - on many levels.

Don't forget this though. When many of you are worrying about basics like food, water and housing - there are 100,000s in the community whose brains/bodies are reliant on a daily [or more] dose of say insuilin heart medication and so on.

What happens when the pharmacy system stops. It takes a few days of failed deliveries.

What also happen to the 200,000 in treatment junkies who need the state to provide them [via drugstores] a set amount of opioid substitute like methadone?? Does anyone realise just what effect 200,000 sick addicts desperate for medication will have as the wonder round your town in the throws of cold-turkey??!

Maybe by then [it takes 48 for methadone levels to drop after last dose] most "normal" folk will also be starting to 'lose it' in their own way. Then it really is time to vacate the building - as KLF once said.

davID
=-=

<EDIT> I'd add the complete Bob Beck protocol here too. Just for that possible option that bio-warfare agents and other nasties thaf flatten the immune system get shoved at us... this involved 3 stages:

manufacture and use of colloidal silver - for pathogens
"" "" ozone gas - for drinking ozonated water
creaton/obtaining a blood electrification unit - easy to use, eradicated micro bugs, pathogens etc

All are cheap and simple to nmake - PM or email me for a free copy of the large, illustrated PDF i have online.

-

[FrostyMcunicron]

^ & The people on opiate maintenance already perscribed subutex/suboxone/methadone etc. may experience intense withdrawals.. Not to mention all the people horribly dependent Benzo class drugs such as Xanax Klonapin Valium who will have to go through at least a month of hell and possible seizure if they were cut off without tapering thanks to big Pharmaceuticals.

[crazycharlie]

does anyone know how to make denture adhesive cream from whatever?
( rough when your old ) but not all elders should be discarded heh ?
No really.. simple things like that are gonna be missed by some folks ...
and has anybody read up on what the Russians went thru and what they
did when they fell ???? post some info if possible Peace & Guidance :)
I read that vitamins were good to have by all ....

[Baggywrinkle]

did some quick research and did not find anything

You could try playing with karya gum

[Lance]

- Well look, all this moral waffle can go out the saucer window *if* some of the suggested apocalptic scenarios end up happening in the next few weeks/months/years... morals are not needed - but dealing with ignorance and education in a non-judgemental level is required. By newer priorities emerging as the older contradictions in the previous system begin to show we have an opportunity to develop new, tolerant modes of living.

- Having studied the drug economy [I used to work with chronic addicts and the UK NHS] and also what I call the 'above-government narco trafficking systems' - a term I liberated from Dr Bill Deagle, narcotics represents a highly efficient, collapse-proof, separate, liquid pseudo economy. So even during rough times for mainstream economic flows - I'd wager than the whole range of narcotics will become one of the better methods for

- barter mechanisms
- "wealth" [whatever that is] accumulation
- holding high value and inelastic demand
- Treating your mates during times when the outlook gets bleak and thus gaining popularity ':)

On a personal level - I'd suggest that any form of opioid substance will come under vast demand as time goes on during a period of societal break-down. If anyone watched Jericho - when they arrived at the last functioning hospital - it was the opiate based substances that were demanded the highest rates of payment in gold or barter.

I'd say many other medications [insulin] will do the same.

For personal choices, cannabis is a must given that half the western world smoke it... you'd have your stash and if it was possible you'd gain good returns by swapping some of it for other needed items.

So yes - for all of us who have sat listening to radio interviews where many people have discussed mass moving their assets into gold or silver - knowing that we have sweet FA to move into anything like that [!?] - there are other options if you think about it. And the vast range of medical, legal and currently illicit substances are one way of assuring you're ok - on many levels.

Don't forget this though. When many of you are worrying about basics like food, water and housing - there are 100,000s in the community whose brains/bodies are reliant on a daily [or more] dose of say insuilin heart medication and so on.

What happens when the pharmacy system stops. It takes a few days of failed deliveries.

What also happen to the 200,000 in treatment junkies who need the state to provide them [via drugstores] a set amount of opioid substitute like methadone?? Does anyone realise just what effect 200,000 sick addicts desperate for medication will have as the wonder round your town in the throws of cold-turkey??!

Maybe by then [it takes 48 for methadone levels to drop after last dose] most "normal" folk will also be starting to 'lose it' in their own way. Then it really is time to vacate the building - as KLF once said.

davID
=-=

<EDIT> I'd add the complete Bob Beck protocol here too. Just for that possible option that bio-warfare agents and other nasties thaf flatten the immune system get shoved at us... this involved 3 stages:

manufacture and use of colloidal silver - for pathogens
"" "" ozone gas - for drinking ozonated water
creaton/obtaining a blood electrification unit - easy to use, eradicated micro bugs, pathogens etc

All are cheap and simple to nmake - PM or email me for a free copy of the large, illustrated PDF i have online.

-

Ah, my stash of ibogaine (I was a consultant at the http://www.ibogatherapyhouse.net/cms/) should really come in handy then...to get these folks off of opiates. But we make our own ****** (my remarks above were severely edited for some reason, seems I touched a live wire or something) opium with an extraction method championed by my housemate, it is done with vinegar and is very strong. It is not smokeable but is very potent.
I agree, I've been collecting strong plant medicines because of this eventuality, and oddly enough...don't ever seem to get much of a chance to use them myself!
I think relying on plant medicines is smarter than spending any money on pharmies. A good supply of Simpson oil, a good 1/2 gallon of opium goo, and Dragon's blood is pretty much my repertoire of stuff to have on hand, besides the verboten xtal.....

[Elsinore]

Anybody know what works good for asthma?

[astraya]

I can't remember who recommended it but Vitamin "D" is supposed to be very good for protecting against Germ/Viral Warfare because it is antibacterial and antifungal. So should be included in large quantities in any survival kit. I take 2,000 i.u.'s a day.

[chelmostef]

Anybody know what works good for asthma?

I too have asthma but now its only mild and I dont use inhalers any more.

I still have the odd attack normaly late at night and keeps me up so I cant sleep. What I find but what might sound stange, Is that I hold my breath for as long as I can, and then try to keep normal breathing after once I expell the air in my lungs. The short time of not breathing relaxes the tightness of my lungs. I keep doing this for as long as I can. Try and keep relaxed and control your breathing to a slow rate. It goes against what your brain says because it like you need more air. It works for me most times, hope it works for you too.

Stef

[utopiated]

^ & The people on opiate maintenance already perscribed subutex/suboxone/methadone etc. may experience intense withdrawals.. Not to mention all the people horribly dependent Benzo class drugs such as Xanax Klonapin Valium who will have to go through at least a month of hell and possible seizure if they were cut off without tapering thanks to big Pharmaceuticals.

You're right - most ppl forget about how many LEGIT pharma drugs cause severe withdrawals. Benzo's are one of the worst - yet valium etc have remained 'scriptable since the 1950s/60s.

[utopiated]

Ah, my stash of ibogaine (I was a consultant at the http://www.ibogatherapyhouse.net/cms/) should really come in handy then...to get these folks off of opiates. But we make our own ****** (my remarks above were severely edited for some reason, seems I touched a live wire or something) opium with

<snipped>

Lance - good to hear there are people aware of ibogaine here. I found it the most hard-core psychedelic I'd ever done... and it lasts 24 hours compared to say Amazonian Ayhuasca that's 8-12 at most!! :tears:

PM me with an email address if you want. I'm interested in what's going on in Canada with re to this.

[Lance]

<snipped>

Lance - good to hear there are people aware of ibogaine here. I found it the most hard-core psychedelic I'd ever done... and it lasts 24 hours compared to say Amazonian Ayhuasca that's 8-12 at most!! :tears:

PM me with an email address if you want. I'm interested in what's going on in Canada with re to this.


To be honest, there isn't much going on with ibogaine right now. Sandra Karpetas (http://www.maps.org/ibogaine/) whom was running a clinic about 3 miles down the road from me...is in Russia setting up a clinic there. She will be back in December and it might get up and running again.

[FrostyMcunicron]

Ibogaine is fairly amazing & undoubtedly being suppressed.

[utopiated]

Ibogaine is fairly amazing & undoubtedly being suppressed.

Indeed - there are several documentaries worth watching based on the American who located ibogaine's 'western' use - Howard Lotsof. Really interesting how he ended up getting patents and battling with a sceptical pharma industry.

Ibogaine however does not seem to "stop" addiction to opioids, cocaine, alcohol nicoteen etc - more it offers a rare "window" for users to take a step back and stop a little more easily.

One more thing - I found ibogaine created one of the strongest [and most weirdly, darkly humourous!] synchronicity flows ever for the few days after taking it. It was like walking round in 2 meshing dimensions.

I think his [Howard's] site is http://ibogaine.org

Link for more: http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=257

[FrostyMcunicron]

heh, so typical of this thread's build to get derailed

Ibogaine from what i heard in 2006 potentially resets receptor sites in the brain & if the datas correct causes the excess receptors developed throughout the addiction process to shed in a drastically short period of time as opposed to the standard 6+months.

(1) Novascreen, Oceanix Biosciences, 21214 Hanover, MD, USA
(2) Present address: Exploratory Medicinal Chemistry, Pfizer Central Research, 06340 Groton, CT, USA

Received: 29 June 1994 Revised: 29 September 1994
Abstract The indole alkaloid ibogaine (NIH 10567, Endabuse) is currently being examined for its potential utility in the treatment of cocaine and opioid addiction. However, a clearly defined molecular mechanism of action for ibogaine's putative anti-addictive properties has not been delineated. Radioligand binding assays targeting over 50 distinct neurotransmitter receptors, ion channels, and select second messenger systems were employed to establish a broad in vitro pharmacological profile for ibogaine. These studies revealed that ibogaine interacted with a wide variety of receptors at concentrations of 1–100 µM. These included the mu, delta, kappa, opiate, 5HT2, 5HT3, and muscarinic1 and 2 receptors, and the dopamine, norepinephrine, and serotonin uptake sites. In addition, ibogaine interacted withN-methyl-d-aspartic acid (NMDA) associated ion and sodium ion channels as determined by the inhibition of [3H]MK-801 and [3H]bactrachotoxin A 20-agr-benzoate binding (BTX-B), respectively. This broad spectrum of activity may in part be responsible for ibogaine's putative anti-addictive activity.

Theirs soo much potential already with our still primitive tools & techniques in this field. It'd just be better for all the soldiers who suffer in the "war on drugs" daily at the hands of the gov. if it was tapped sooner then later.

I found it the most hard-core psychedelic I'd ever done... and it lasts 24 hours compared to say Amazonian Ayhuasca that's 8-12 at most!!

Great comparison by all means but back in my day i had a rather earth shattering experience with a large dose of LSD(Im sure many can relate & have experienced first hand), the drug's duration usually lasts around 8hours. However, the sheer volume of the dose had my ego shattered in what one could define as a ++++; I didn't return to the ego & my body for a good 20+hours & wasn't 95%back until 48 or so hours had passed and i had slept for a while(the other 5% unaccounted for). Opiate receptors had been reset by this experience on a major scale; IMO(in my opinion) ibogaine isnt 100% unique in that sense.

I still remember that nasty back firing neuron frying feeling of the come down.

in short: certain substances if ingested in a high doses will extend duration drastically and others may only add intensity to standard duration.


I feel its baffling just how much we DONT know about how the brain is using these compounds. Their is much speculate & some evidence they play roles in Death & dreams.


I've moved on from using drugs to numb out & stopped using psychedelics which seem to be a polar opposite to "numbing out" since its over amplifying every feeling & beyond quiet literally by overloading the synapse with those back crazy firing neurons giving non existing sensory output etc.

psychedelics, i feel i've learned all i could have hoped to at this point from those teachers. Humans can access those dimensions naturally but much less diluted though meditation & spiritual means.



Love & Light,

[zorgon]

I once read about a bush pilot who only carried one thing in his emergency kit: s gun w/ one bullet. Apparently this guy had a mortal fear of freezing to death so he wouldm't even attempt to survive in a crash situation. Scary.

But I know that's not what you're talking about here at all...

Well judging by the lists of drugs I see people suggesting for minimal survival I would say they would be better off with the gun and bullet... because if they need all THAT stuff to survive, they might as well take that 'shot'

Honey take honey... an excellent antibiotic and nutritious as well. And don't forget toilet paper... If you need all that medication... I GUARANTEE you won't know what to do without toilet paper :lmao:

[zuni]

the best is sprouting seeds......they grow 10x their size !!!!

[Greg10036]

Good question.

Radiation and heavy metal poisoning:
Lecithin
Pectinates
lots of C
Apples- lots of them. They absorb heavy metals.
RNA/DNA uses with kelp for metabolism.
Sea Kelp in all forms. Stabalizes metabolism and absorbs heavy toxins.

Digestion and parasites:
Clarkia-green hull black walnut, comfrey, and wormwood
paipane-used for spinal pain also
Betaine Hydrochloride- great for digestion, allergies, joint and spinal pain.
raw cider vinegar
virgin olive oil
lugols consumable iodine

Lots and lots of C-10K mg/day. C complex- hesperidin/rutin/flaxin. Iike Solgar bioflavinoid. Expensive but the best.

Infections:
garlic cloves for topical, capsules internal
Lots and lots of C- C powder for topical wounds
Echinacea

Metabolism and endocrine
RNA/DNA
Sea kelp
Dong Quai
Fo Ti

Blood purifiers and thinners:
Red clover
Cayenne pepper
caution with these.

[whitecrow]

Tea tree oil.
Lavender oil.
Cannabis.
Oils of rosemary, eucalyptus, peppermint.
Honey.
Cinnamon.
Grapefruit seed extract.
Grapeseed extract.
Echinacea and goldenseal.
Graviola.
Potassium iodide tablets.
Multivitamins.
Ibuprofen, percoset, vicodin, any painkillers I could find.
Enteric coated, nonrefrigerated probiotic capsules.
Oregano oil.
Aloe vera.
Activated charcoal capsules.
Bentonite.
Pine tar and turpentine.
Castor oil.
Water purification tablets.
Snakebite kit.

OK, I'll quit...I actually have all this stuff sitting around or packed away. I know the native food plants fairly well, the medicinal plants less well.

[Reveling John]

Great comparison by all means but back in my day i had a rather earth shattering experience with a large dose of LSD(Im sure many can relate & have experienced first hand), the drug's duration usually lasts around 8hours. However, the sheer volume of the dose had my ego shattered in what one could define as a ++++; I didn't return to the ego & my body for a good 20+hours & wasn't 95%back until 48 or so hours had passed and i had slept for a while(the other 5% unaccounted for). Opiate receptors had been reset by this experience on a major scale; IMO(in my opinion) ibogaine isnt 100% unique in that sense.


Dido.

A few weeks ago I had a journey with acid (not sure how many micrograms, seeing as the source gave it to me by using an eye-dropper on a sugar cube) that lasted 20+ hours. The most intense trip I've ever had, having experienced previous trips with acid, shrooms, salvia, e, morning glory and vilca.

Even more far out than the intense salvia trip in which I lost all awareness of my body and was quite disturbed by the subsequent stories of things I had done in my friends house while I was *out* (apparently I really frightened some people).

However, this trip was even more integrative and mind expanding than the salvia one, particularly because of something I and the friend I was tripping with decided to do:

We sat down in my garage, turned off the lights, and stayed in complete darkness for a bout 2.5 hours. We figured out the time component later because when we were in it there was absolutely no awareness of time OR space. There was no difference between closing my eyes or opening them. My friends voice was an intelligence projected from some unassessable space, and the only thing keeping me connected to the idea that we were people with bodies. Otherwise we were flying high in the void.

Best way to do a high dosage of any psychedelic:

Sit In Silent Darkness

I made the greatest gains in consciousness evolution that I've made thus far in my life on that single trip.

[seagull]

Here are some suggestions not.

LSD or equiv natural substances for expanding your mind. Maybe you too will have some conciousness raising dreams you can share with others. Maybe you will have telepathic contact with space beings. Maybe this life will become even more trippy and cool for you. Up will become down. Red will become blue. Possibly Avalon will become a refuge for those seeking peace, love and community of like minded druggies.

How about a bottle of black pills just like James Bond had just for that bad moment when the next interview tells you it will be all over in a few minutes.

Come on people. Drugs are not the answer to expanding your mind. You are going in the wrong direction but maybe that is what this forum is all about.

Do you really think that promoting hallucin drugs will help others here? Grow up a tiny bit please.

[Moonbaby]

Can anyone provide insight on how I might get some perscription meds like CIPRO? I would like to add it to my emergency kit but don't think my doctor will give me a perscription (actually I would like to get 4-6 regimines cause I have two children plus my spouse.

I am concerned about getting 'counterfeit' drugs and need a reliable way to acquire the real stuff. I live in the US. Thanks in advance for your advice.

Peace,

Moonbaby

[Kate]

Dido.

A few weeks ago I had a journey with acid (not sure how many micrograms, seeing as the source gave it to me by using an eye-dropper on a sugar cube) that lasted 20+ hours. The most intense trip I've ever had, having experienced previous trips with acid, shrooms, salvia, e, morning glory and vilca.

Even more far out than the intense salvia trip in which I lost all awareness of my body and was quite disturbed by the subsequent stories of things I had done in my friends house while I was *out* (apparently I really frightened some people).

However, this trip was even more integrative and mind expanding than the salvia one, particularly because of something I and the friend I was tripping with decided to do:

We sat down in my garage, turned off the lights, and stayed in complete darkness for a bout 2.5 hours. We figured out the time component later because when we were in it there was absolutely no awareness of time OR space. There was no difference between closing my eyes or opening them. My friends voice was an intelligence projected from some unassessable space, and the only thing keeping me connected to the idea that we were people with bodies. Otherwise we were flying high in the void.

Best way to do a high dosage of any psychedelic:

Sit In Silent Darkness

I made the greatest gains in consciousness evolution that I've made thus far in my life on that single trip.

__________________________________________________ _______________

I would like to point out that AVALON does NOT advocate/encourage personal drug use by members.
As a forum, we walk a very thin line with this thread because it can easily be misinterpreted that this site is 'endorsing' and encouraging the use of illegal substances.
This thread will be kept open for now, ONLY if postings are kept as a 'survival' list for medicinal purpose.

thanks for your understanding and cooperation! :thumb_yello:

kate

[Baggywrinkle]

I would like to add it to my emergency kit but don't think my doctor will give me a perscription


Cruising sailors do this all the time. That is where my list
came from. Take the list and tell him you are going trekking out of country. If he won't help you find one that
will. Another option is to go to Mexico where much of this
is available OTC.

Be mindful of frivolous use. There is a reason they are
locked away like zoo animals, and watch your use-by
dates for rotation

[Lance]

With the PTw 'fretting' over the missing heroin...http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters/markeaston/2008/10/map_of_the_week_the_mystery_of.html

And it being well known that many governments are 'holding' aerosolized opiates...http://www.rense.com/general26/psycho.htm For 'crowd control'...maybe it would be wise to have a small stash of Narcan (which is what the substance that stops OD's in Canada is called, it might be called something else, elsewhere) in case of our friendly guvmints spraying us like bugs (again) with aerosolized heroin...

[Donny]

Can anyone advise me of a broad spectrum antibiotic please

[Jacqui D]

i wished i listened to my grandmother now when i was a little girl, she knew all the herbs and wild flowers and leaves to use in medical emergencies!
get a good survival handbook at your local bookshop, the S.A.S survival guide is an excellant book and it is small so you could keep it in your pocket.
Sorry i'm not much help, but one thing i do know i've got a big bush of St John's wort in my garden, this is for depression!!!!
Well we will need plenty of that then lol!!
I'll be bartering that lol!
Sorry this is very important stuff i know, but joking now i have became all of a sudden in a silly mood.:lmfao:

[Realview]

A few things that come to mind of good general value (may be some duplicates in other posts) --

1. Baking soda - good any fungal anti microbial / alkalizing - useful in Hydrogen Generator
2. Tea Tree Oil -- any microbial
3. Oregano Oil - anti microbial
4. Citrus seed extract - anti microbial
5. Shovel
6. Axe, hatchet, machete, swords
7. Turmeric - anti microbial - liver support - milk weed - liver support
8. Bitter Melon (Kirala) - pancreas/spleen diabetes - immune boost
9. Gymnemia Sylvestra - pancreas/spleen diabetes - immune boost
10. Cinnamon - anti microbial - pancreas/spleen diabetes - immune boost
11. Ozone Generator (if you have electricity)
12. Hydroxy generator to extend gas mileage (up to 50%) in a vehicle or electric generator and also an a potentizer of water to strengthen the immune system.
13. Vitamin C - heart
14. Olive Oil
15. Ozinated Olive Oil
16. Ozone generator (if you have power) to sterilize water and ozinate Olive oil for skin problems.
17. Water Distiller (if you have power)
18. Magnetite soil / magnets to Potentize (magnetize water) for immune strength and find and gather iron from the soil.
19. Tarps, Rope, Knives, tent, blankets (wool, orgone, synthetics), compasses, maps
20. Wrist Rocket sling shot (defense)
21. Books on edible and medicinal local plants
22. Basic Chi-Kung books or knowledge - five organ breathing - fragrant chi-kung - energizing and balancing forms that work with nature.
23. Good hiking shoes and socks, clothes in general
24. Cotton sheets - clothing, bedding
25. Lighters, shaker flash lights, matches, crank lights, crank radios
26. Vacuum sealed foods.
27. Dried Sea greens - sea weed / kelp - high nutrition / low weight
28. Mung Beans - whole for sprouts, planting and consuming
29. Syringes - can be used to inject baking soda solutions to kill tumors / cancers.
29. pots / pans - cooking
30. Water filtration
31. Garlic is useful externally as antiseptic - not recommended for internal use
32. Electronic acupuncture devices and books on acupuncture / acupressure
33. Batteries, solar chargers

[FrostyMcunicron]

ppsshh, that ones such a no brainer! Theory 2: Vast quantities of heroin and morphine are being stockpiled. Antonio Maria Costa, head of the UNODC is convinced that is the only explanation. In a recent bulletin he issues an urgent order: 'Find the missing opium.' "As a priority, intelligence services need to examine who holds this surplus, where it may go, and for what purpose" he says. "We know little about these stockpiles of drugs, besides that they are not in the hands of farmers."

Further credibility is given to the stockpiling theory in that 'farm-gate' prices for opium remain pretty stable at about $70 per kilo. Or maybe its going underground like all that missing gas & such.

[RomAna]

I'd like to recommend some nonconventional "medications" that might be quite good to have on hand:
Miracle Mineral Supplement. It supplies oxygen and makes the body environment inhospitable to pathogens. It is cheap and easy to have on hand. It could be used in any infection and has also been used in other situations, like Lyme Disease and cancer.
Lypo-Spheric Vitamin C. High doses of vitamin C may help to combat overwhelming infections. One of the theories of Ebola is that it rapidly uses up the body's vitamin C. IV vitamin C in high doses is thought to be able to combat many things. Lypo-Spheric Vitamin C delivers the vitamin directly to the cell, bypassing the stomach and studies suggest that several grams of this can deliver more vitamin to the cells that 50 grams of IV. It stores well and is easy to take.
Colloidal silver solution. It is easy to make. It keeps stored water fresh for quite a while. I use it to spray a couple of squirts in the kids water bottles and they don't go bad even if they get overlooked for a month.
French Green Clay. It can be used for all kinds of things. Good French Green clay is almost 100% negatively charged and most toxins and pathogens are positively charged so that it acts like a magnet and carries the positively charged particles out of the body. It can be used as a nonspecific detoxifier.
I think it would be a good idea to have several gallons of vodka because you can make tinctures of different plants. Even if you don't personally have knowledge of what plants to use, if you have the vodka you will attract the right person with the right information when you need it! Your intention of having something to offer will hook you up. You can always get some herb books and practice.
I actually have all these things and dose my family (sometimes with reluctance on their part-MMS and sometimes with goodwill L-S Vitamine C and clay). Despite being a doctor, I have developed a huge distrust of all pharmaceuticals and am always on the lookout for other solutions.

[LadyLake]

First Aid Kit

This is obviously only a suggested list from research, personal experience and consultation with our family doctor (a sailor) before our one-year cruise. Your needs may differ. Use the list as a starting point to discuss a cruising medical kit with your family doctor.
Records

* First aid books
* Phone numbers for hospitals and doctors
* Eyeglass prescriptions
* A complete record from your pet's vet, a recent rabies vaccination

Tools

* Scissors
* thermometer
* needle pliers
* flashlight, penlight
* Scissors
* Eye dropper
* Tweezers
* Ear syringe
* Latex gloves
* Q-tips
* Towel
* Splints
* Thermal blanket

Bandages

* Bandaids (plastic, fabic)
* Liquid bandaid (waterproof)
* Roll bandages (Kling)
* Gauze rolls 110 cm wide
* Adhesive tape (Elastoplast)
* Sterile gauze pads 2, non-adhesive
* Skin closures 3
* Cotton balls
* Q-tips
* Tensor elastic bandages small,large
* Tourniquet rubber tube
* Neck brace
* Arm sling

First Aid Products

* Antibiotic wound cream (Lanabiotic, Polysporin)
* Topical anesthetic (Solarcaine) for sunburn, insect bites
* Antiseptic - Mercurochrome, hydrogen peroxide, rubbing alcohol, Hibiclense, Betadine
* Vaseline
* Antibiotic eye ointment (eye infection)
* Saline eye wash (eye irritation)
* Activated charcoal tablets (poisoning)
* Styptic pencil (stop bleeding)
* Linament (muscle pain)
* Fleet Enema (severe constipation)
* Antifungal cream (Canesten)
* Toothache pain medicine
* Antibiotic lozenges (sore throat)

Drugs

On a boat you may need to function in an emergency situation where a doctor not available. The right drug could allow you to function or save your life. Consult with your doctor about a drug kit for your cruise - this list was created some years ago with our own doctor, and should simply be used as a starting point.

* ASA, Acetominaphen - headache
* 222's - pain, severe headache (prescription required in U.S.)
* Tylenol No.3 30mg - pain, toothache
* Percocet - severe pain (broken bones)
* Sudafed 60mg - sinus congestion
* phenergan suppositories 25 - nausea
* phenergan 25mg - nausea
* Allegra 180mg - mild allergic reactions
* Atarax 25mg - allergic reactions (bee sting)
* Imodium mild diarrhea
* Lomotil 2.5mg - diarrhea
* Septra 160mg - dysentry UTI (antibiotic)
* Ipecac syrup 14ml - food poisoning
* Colace 100mg (docusate sodium) - stool softener
* Dulcolax 5mg - constipation
* Keflex 500mg - infection
* Pen VK 500mg - Abcessed tooth Strep
* Zithromax (zpak) URI
* Valium 5mg - muscle spasm, severe anxiety
* Dalmane 30mg - sleep aid
* Naprosyn 500mg - swelling/sprain, muscle pain
* Prednisone 10/20mg severe swelling/asthma
* enough medicine you require on a regular basis to last the cruise

Keep prescription drugs (or anything that looks like drugs) in original bottles with a copy of their prescriptions. Note: Some common OTC drugs like Tylenol 3 and are illegal without a prescription in other countries like the US.


You can't even ask for antibiotics without a doctor looking at you 1st. Where would you get all those drugs?

[Baggywrinkle]

You can't even ask for antibiotics without a doctor looking at you 1st. Where would you get all those drugs?

This list is a suggested first aid kit for cruising sailors.
That is how you obtain the drugs. Explain to a sympathetic doc that you are going trekking in the hinterboonies and
that you have the knowledge and the need for such a kit.

Just what the doctor ordered if you are sailing for Tahiti
on an extended cruise. Indeed, it may actually be skimping! I'd want injectable antibiotics and morphine along with a full kit for starting IV's....something a paramedic would call standard! An injury seven or eight
days out would leave you hundreds of miles and days or even weeks from assistance. Exactly the scenario this thread is all about!

[sunny D]

in my first aid kit i have: Arnica, nux vomica,apis mel, rescue remedy, propolis, royal bee jelly, calendula, hypericum, aconite.....I keep them in the fridge. Namaste..!

[Anchor]

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[Lance]

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C*R*Y*S*T*A*L M*E*T*H

to get by the screening BS and noted by at least 5 other 'up mountain' folk besides me. So go to wrack and ruin and pull out hair and moan to yer hearts delight. The best survival drug on any market.
Just ask every single German soldier from WW II especially the Luftwaffe. They invented it, and I almost needed it the other day. If ya don't get what drugs are for, you are simply a dolt and probably a stoner. Or live in a city...in which case a fine 22 handgun to simply off yourself will do, we don't need you folks anyways.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4s0nzsU1Wg

I sure as heck ain't going to stop carrying it as drug number 1 because a bunch of politically correct idiots seem to want to edit stuff. Good luck to you all, if those kind take over. But hey, come visit, 'MY' mountain dale and we shall see what we shall see. Editors tend to be tasty.

ADDENDUM

I am not trying to tell people to carry items which will give them some sort of 'high' on their investment. The focus of this thread should be on the least number of items per poundage to carry in a wilderness situation. Xtal acts as a pain killer when need be, a clarity producer when need be, a boost to carry you buddy through 3 miles of slash when need be.
if you are cold and up mountain, with nothing but a moss floor on which to NOT light your fire, you can go up a tree and sing songs all night with wee jogs in between to get yer blood flowing (sic). Just because it is 'illegal' does not make it bad.

[Ampgod]

MMS and Colloidal Silver should cover it.:thumb_yello: