Psycheledic & near death

[FrostyMcunicron]

* PLUS FOUR (++++) A rare and precious transcendental state, which has been called a 'peak experience', a 'religious experience,' 'divine transformation,' a 'state of Samadhi' and many other names in other cultures. It is not connected to the +1, +2, and +3 of the measuring of a drug's intensity. It is a state of bliss, a participation mystique, a connectedness with both the interior and exterior universes, which has come about after the ingestion of a psychedelic drug, but which is not necessarily repeatable with a subsequent ingestion of that same drug. If a drug (or technique or process) were ever to be discovered which would consistently produce a plus four experience in all human beings, it is conceivable that it would signal the ultimate evolution, and perhaps the end, of the human experiment.

wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shulgin_Rating_Scale)

I understand that state is indescribable in human language, words & concepts for the most part mainly because their too inefficient at describing anything so far beyond conception. Its said to be similar to a Near Death Experience (NDE).

Who has experienced this? If so, what purpose does it serve in creation in your own words?

I think it may have something to do with ascension and as stated prior dieing.

[weezle]

Hi, sorry if this does not answer your question, me and couple of friends tryed LSD once, we all had unique experiences of our own, but one of the buddys said after the trip was over that he saw, what we're supposed to see just right before we die... This may be NDE as you describe it, he is living totally different life from then on, he tryed describing it but insists there exist no words for the experience that he had, and kind of cant remember what went on exactly because in his words it has to do something with memory. And when he came back from astral plane (or wherever he was), to his body all of the stuff he knew up there went dissapear here in 3D world.

May I add, he was NEVER spiritual in any way, but since then, life started opening for him and us in a way we never thought even existed, we started understanding some of the laws that operate this whole universe, and all of these laws put together are the "thing" we people like to call God. (this is our explanation of OUR experience, I am NOT saying this is true, everyone should realise their own truth!!!)

I hope i didn't go far offtopic, thanks for listening!

peace

[Racsouran]

Hi, sorry if this does not answer your question, me and couple of friends tryed LSD once, we all had unique experiences of our own, but one of the buddys said after the trip was over that he saw, what we're supposed to see just right before we die... This may be NDE as you describe it, he is living totally different life from then on, he tryed describing it but insists there exist no words for the experience that he had, and kind of cant remember what went on exactly because in his words it has to do something with memory. And when he came back from astral plane (or wherever he was), to his body all of the stuff he knew up there went dissapear here in 3D world.

May I add, he was NEVER spiritual in any way, but since then, life started opening for him and us in a way we never thought even existed, we started understanding some of the laws that operate this whole universe, and all of these laws put together are the "thing" we people like to call God. (this is our explanation of OUR experience, I am NOT saying this is true, everyone should realise their own truth!!!)

I hope i didn't go far offtopic, thanks for listening!

peace


man, i agree that can happen, even without using hallucinogenic drugs, as it was my case.

[ForsakenFalcon]

Hi, sorry if this does not answer your question, me and couple of friends tryed LSD once, we all had unique experiences of our own, but one of the buddys said after the trip was over that he saw, what we're supposed to see just right before we die... This may be NDE as you describe it, he is living totally different life from then on, he tryed describing it but insists there exist no words for the experience that he had, and kind of cant remember what went on exactly because in his words it has to do something with memory. And when he came back from astral plane (or wherever he was), to his body all of the stuff he knew up there went dissapear here in 3D world.

May I add, he was NEVER spiritual in any way, but since then, life started opening for him and us in a way we never thought even existed, we started understanding some of the laws that operate this whole universe, and all of these laws put together are the "thing" we people like to call God. (this is our explanation of OUR experience, I am NOT saying this is true, everyone should realise their own truth!!!)

I hope i didn't go far offtopic, thanks for listening!

peace


When I tryed LSD some year's ago I was walking down a few street's to a friend's house and it felt like I was a ball of glowing energy floating along the footpath and it was if My body didn't exsist while I knew and understood I was on a drug the feeling just seemed realy natureal and it didn't frighten Me.

[rustanddust]

the few times I tried hallucingenics they've always put me in a state of happiness and love and peace....and gave me the sense that all is right with the world

except for the last time I tried it, I completely overloaded(prolly took a bit too much) and went into a state of terror.....I felt everything too much. I heard, saw, smelt, and felt everything to much. shapes formed when I closed my eyes and I smelled and heard strange things, to be honest I dont exactly remember what was going on? I remember being terrified of dying. my friends told me I kept on repeating "I dont want to die". I though I was. dying I mean. and then I finally did and I believed the only reason everything seemed to be exactly the way it was, was that my mind was recontructing reality as I remembered it to be, a 3-D physical reality, in order to keep my dead self/soul/being from going insane. (which is not exactly far away from the truth it seems!) and then I fell asleep eventually and woke up in the morning absolutely shocked that I was still alive. lol!

my pseudo-******** psychological evaluation of myself was that I had experienced ego-death when I wasn't really for it(still too invested/clung to ego too much at that time)

sooo anyway after that I went through some other things and stuff...unpleasant. however I am still willing to try them again, now in a different state of consciousness hopefully