Recent War in our Solar System By Norval & Gale

[Norval]

Just to whet your appitite. Yes, we have the evidence, and the evidence of the cover up.

Will post the first segment tonight.

After I get the wood heater reinstalled to warm the wifey and I.

Norval L. Cunningham
Gale Smart

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/9808/ganychain_gal.jpg

[Nik]

This was your 111th post, so it must be good! :winksmiley02:

[David]

After I get the wood heater reinstalled to warm the wifey and I.



Priorities first! If the wife's not happy, no one is happy :)

[Antaletriangle]

Look forward to it Norval-get the place nice an' cosy fost!

[Dantheman62]

Just to wet your appitite. Yes, we have the evidence, and the evidence of the cover up.

Will post the first segment tonight.

After I get the wood heater reinstalled to warm the wifey and I.

Norval L. Cunningham
Gale Smart
Cmon N, throw a log on that fire! LOL! Our appetite's our wet, we wanna see! PEACE

[kayak]

It's "whet" your appetite... .

You're an auditory learner, right?

I am Kayak, visual learner.

[Norval]

No More information from me or Gale at this SOLD OUT forum, , Bill and Kerry YOU sold us all out, , , it is very obvious.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/9712/ganycirc_gal_big.jpg

[GregorArturo]

Now what exactly do you mean, by "you sold us all out?"

[bodzoyfa]

No More information from me or Gale at this SOLD OUT forum, , Bill and Kerry YOU sold us all out, , , it is very obvious.

What are you talking about exactly?

[Tuza]

What do you mean honestly, by being sold out. xo

[Tuza]

You can't just tell us all something like that and then run away, dont be a coward now.

[Norval]

As I have about an hour of my time left to deliver what I said I would, I will try.
This is a photo of what is called a "crater chain" From this Astronomy Picture of the Day,
known as APOD. Note the date? Here is the INDEX of their photos of the day. Note
the date of start? Note the date of the first disinformation about crater chains? Do you
really think any broken up hunk of space rock could ever land like this in such a perfect
Concise and Systematic way?

The First mention in public on line of what "possibly could cause a crater chain".
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap950713.html
Now really, does this look like a concise chain of craters?
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap950714.html
The first image in public on the net and it sucks as an image, but it gets better.
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap950715.html
Do a search of "crater chains" here, and you get this.
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/apod/apod_search?crater+chains
Now try "chain of craters" and you will get this.
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/apod/apod_search?chain+of+craters

Caused by a broken up comet? Toss a hand full of rocks and see what you get.
It is IMPOSSIBLE to get such concise and systematic craters as they tell you.
They are feeding you BS ! ! Feel like a mushroom yet?
Look at the size of those in line craters !
Picture if such "weapons" were used against earth ! !
CS Crater Chains are a product of intelligent weapons of mass destruction.
Wake up people.
Now you must QUESTION ALL craters, everywhere. Comet, Asteroid, or WEAPON?

There are hundreds of these on Mars alone, and the longest one we have found. Twenty
seven "named" CS crater chains on our moon alone!

Sea yah tomorrow if I / we are allowed to keep posting.

Norval and Gale.

http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/images/moonchain.jpg

[Dantheman62]

As I have about an hour of my time left to deliver what I said I would, I will try.
This is a photo of what is called a "crater chain" From this Astronomy Picture of the Day,
known as APOD. Note the date? Here is the INDEX of their photos of the day. Note
the date of start? Note the date of the first disinformation about crater chains? Do you
really think any broken up hunk of space rock could ever land like this in such a perfect
Concise and Systematic way?

The First mention in public on line of what "possibly could cause a crater chain".
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap950713.html
Now really, does this look like a concise chain of craters?
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap950714.html
The first image in public on the net and it sucks as an image, but it gets better.
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap950715.html
Do a search of "crater chains" here, and you get this.
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/apod/apod_search?crater+chains
Now try "chain of craters" and you will get this.
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/apod/apod_search?chain+of+craters

Caused by a broken up comet? Toss a hand full of rocks and see what you get.
It is IMPOSSIBLE to get such concise and systematic craters as they tell you.
They are feeding you BS ! ! Feel like a mushroom yet?
Look at the size of those in line craters !
Picture if such "weapons" were used against earth ! !
CS Crater Chains are a product of intelligent weapons of mass destruction.
Wake up people.
Now you must QUESTION ALL craters, everywhere. Comet, Asteroid, or WEAPON?

There are hundreds of these on Mars alone, and the longest one we have found. Twenty
seven "named" CS crater chains on our moon alone!

Sea yah tomorrow if I / we are allowed to keep posting.

Norval and Gale.
How does that make Bill and Kerry sellouts? Just wondering.

[omshanti2]

I hope you are allowed to continue to post, some of the pictures look truly like jewels in the sky, and the pictures of what damage, asteroids can do, are frightening.
Looking at some of these pictures, seems we have been kept in the dark quite a bit, I wonder why.
I won't pretend I understand everything you have posted, but I am willing to learn. Thank you Norval and Gale for bringing these for us all to see.

[Gonzo]

Is this maybe of some significance?
April this year when laying in bed I suddenly got the next thought in my head:
"There is a war at the edge of your solar system. "Comet" Holmes was proof of that"

Comet holmes was the comet that exploded and baffled astronomers in October 2007.
http://spaceweather.com/archive.php?month=10&day=24&year=2007&view=view

[JohnWdoe]

No More information from me or Gale at this SOLD OUT forum, , Bill and Kerry YOU sold us all out, , , it is very obvious.

We thank you for this information but accusations of selling out are quite not understandable, i would like to know why you think this.

[Norval]

While doing the CS crater chain research we found that "in person" 1% of the people we
have talked with vehemently agreed that these concise and systematic chains of craters
are caused by a comet or asteroid. 99% agreed with us that this was literally impossible
to have happened by "chance".

On the internet forums of science, astronomy, and S.E.T.I. sites we found the exact
opposite. We, and the very few that agreed with us, were mercilessly set upon by IAC
agents (thought police) and the Bad ET's, so called "professional skeptics and
debunkers". Gale and I were "literally" killed, hell, we got slaughtered.

That was a major wake up call about these agents on the web.

Who SOLD OUT Who?
The "Sell Out", or bending to the powers that be, has kept them, and their loved ones,
"safe". Several sites we posted our information about the CS crater chain research are
gone, or our posts were removed. Yes, we stand by the bible's explanation of "why" all
this is going on. We found it is the only source of reliable true information to base the
"why" of what we see in the world today.

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2094

Over the years we have been in contact with people from all over the world. Scientists,
mathematicians, theologians, you can pretty much name the fields of learning and we have
had to talk to them as our research spanned such a broad base. Many of them are, or
have left the US. Some were not allowed to leave, or were "called back", even forced to
return.

Now, all of a sudden, we are seeing a turn around by some of those agents, but not the
Bad ET's as they just want all humans dead. What we are now seeing is some of the PtB
seem to think it is time for this information to be allowed out. Bill and Kerry's Avalon
forum appears to be the means of delivery for this information. With or with out their
knowledge. So, with this in mind I do apologize for saying they "sold out", when in fact it
seems to me this information that Gale and I have been providing is vital to the Ground
Crew. IF the bible is really about the UFO/ET connection, then it also contains the
information about what needs to be done to prepare ourselves for Disclosure Day, and
after. Bill, and Kerry, should have banned me, but didn't. That said allot.

[arcora]

Norval was kind enough to ask for my comments on this post - which I will give.

It is long and many here won't like it, but it is the Truth.

So, here I go, a non-Bible-thumper giving one single, loud and long thump.

From a little book written a couple thousand years ago....


The observations Norval made, while accurate and prescient are just a small piece of

the puzzle.

Luke 21:25
And there will be signs in the sun and moon and stars, and there will be upon the earth anguish of the nations in perplexity at the roaring of the sea and rolling waves,


But this is just the beginning. For those of you that believe a cosmic cataclysm is

coming in 2012 (or 2009) you're in good company:
Matthew 24:3
Now while he was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him
privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things happen? And what is the sign of your coming and the end of the world?”

Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole inhabited earth for a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.

Matthew 24: 29 -30
Now immediately after the tribulation of those days, THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL FROM HEAVEN, AND THE POWERS OF THE HEAVENS WILL BE SHAKEN.
And at that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the nations of the earth will mourn. And they will see the SON OF MAN COMING UPON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory.


So, if one believes in a coming cosmic cataclysm, he should now see that it was foretold a long time ago.

But wait...there's more....

For those of you who believe in the NWO, fascism and coming one world government, you're also in good company.
Matthew 24:4-14
Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ, ' and will deceive many. You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains. "Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will
grow cold, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.


Many here expect a false alien invasion event. You're in good company too.
Revelation 13:13-15
The second beast performs spectacular signs. It even makes fire come down from heaven to earth in front of people. It deceives those living on earth with the signs that it is allowed to do in front of the [first] beast. It tells those living on earth to make a statue for the beast who was wounded by a sword and yet lived.

The second beast was allowed to put breath into the statue of the [first] beast. Then the statue of the [first] beast could talk and put to death whoever would not worship it.



But what about Planet X (Nibiru)? The Bible covers that too.
Revelation 8:10-12
When the second angel blew his trumpet, something like a large burning mountain was hurled into the sea. A third of the sea turned to blood, a third of the creatures living in the sea died, and a third of the ships were wrecked. When the third angel blew his trumpet, a large star burning like a torch fell from the sky. It fell on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water. The star was called "Wormwood," and a third of all the water turned to wormwood. Many people died from this water, because it was made bitter. When the fourth angel blew his trumpet, a third of the sun, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars were struck, so that a third of them became dark. The day lost its light for a third of the time, as did the night.



And finally (because this is my one and only thump) for the resident new-agers who's spirit guides told them that all they need is love - you may not be in such good company as you think.

1 John 4:1-3
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see if they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; And every spirit which does not confess Jesus is not from God; and this is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming, and is now already in the world.

2 John 7
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This one is the deceiver and the antichrist.

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last hour, and just as you heard that Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. From this fact we know that it is the last hour.



And last, the good news.
Luke 21:28
But when these things begin to come to pass, look up, and lift up your heads; because your redemption draweth nigh.

[GregorArturo]

Damn arcora, thanks for sharing. I told a friend a couple days ago, if **** hits the fan and I'm sitting on a mountain growing my own food, doing my own thing, I'm gonna read the bible. And I'm gonna stick to that statement. Thanks!

[Cookie]

I'm not a christian or a bible thumper either. I have my spiritual beliefs like many of us here... that being said, Norval, I do agree with you that the 'bad', reptilian ETs are the demons and fallen angels of the ancient peoples of the world. I believe that 'they' are the entities that created deity worship to control and manipulate mankind. I believe that Yahweh of the old testament was one of these entities. Billions of people are blindly worshiping these so-called gods... I believe that the Roman Church is fully aware of this and is in collusion with these entities..keeping dark secrets all for the sake of power.

I also believe that most of the angels in the bible were fallen angels masquerading of beings of light and love, all for the purpose of keeping mankind "on the right path"..so that they would continue to worship alien "gods".

On my Yahoo homepage, I have news feeds from space.com and Reuters science news... I've been noticing a trend in the reporting... the articles are starting to hint at ... alien life (?). Somethings about to happen.. Can you feel it? Is somebody about to spill the beans?!? And if 'they' are...why now? Is their hand being forced for some reason? hhmmmmm....

Peace..OE

[Carol]

No More information from me or Gale at this SOLD OUT forum, , Bill and Kerry YOU sold us all out, , , it is very obvious.

Aloha Norval,

Did you realize that you look like Sean Connery in that AV?

Onto what you posted here, there is no evidence that Bill and Kerry sold anyone out. In fact, all of this is here, you are here, the other posters are here because of them and all of the dedicated long, long hours they put in getting information out to the public as fast as they can.

It is unwise to cast dispersion where there is no evidence other then a vivid imagination to support your statement and I would hope a sense of appreciation replaces your original dissapointment.

Mahalo Nui Loa,

Makani

[Norval]

:original: I think you will find that all ready covered Carol, in my post above, and on Bill and Kerry's profile messages. Thank you.

[Norval]

Arcora
Many thanks. Those passages bring up some very interesting end time predictions. The
information if looked at from a modern understanding of astronomy (not to be mistaken
for astrology) can open ones eyes to the possible and probable fulfillment of them. :thumb_yello:

Yes there is much more to the connection of ET bible concept. What truly amazes me is
the part of only now being able to understand it's concepts in light of modern
technological understanding. If one accepts the evidence of War in the Heavens, I for one
am very happy Good ET's won. Think of the coming wedding feast too. PARTY :mfr_omg:

Omshanti
Well, in a nut shell, all those craters out there in our solar system are probable evidence of
and alien war. It is all about asking the right questions. :original:


Gonzo
Yes, pretty much everything concerning space is vitally important at this time.
Some of the BS that is fed to the people are in exact opposition to common logic,
reasoning, physics, and probability. Besides the extreme cover up that is going on about
what all is really up there as covered by many Camelot Witnesses. :mad3:

Gregor
You may find it more understandable and discover what you are curious that may be in
the bible by using a computer bible search program. Do word searches and you will
discover many passages and things that the religions and churches don't teach about.:yikes:

Open Eyes
Well, I myself am not "religious" at all, I accept the bible as an incredible message that has
been "religionized" by the influence of the Bad ET's. I am not racist either, so I have to
just say Bad ET's and let it go at that.

When it comes to deceptions perpetrated through religions, wait till I tell the rest of the
story why we should look at the bible with a whole new perspective, try and read around the religiosity. :original:

[omshanti2]

Hello Norval, not in a religious context is the Devil the Bad ET's ?, and do these Bad ET's want/is to wage war with the seed of Adam/ Humans/another faction of ET's (Human ancesters) I mean it says we were made in their image ?.
The Bad ET's obviously want this planet and we must be in the way, well at least some of us, am I right?, and is this the war talked about in revelation ?, Humans verses the Bad ET's ?, I might be way off, correct me if I am wrong.
This would explain why we are being poisoned through various methods, and programmed, for an easy take over, so they think, and anyone exposing them is murdered by our own/ Humans who feel their in to deep to get out, or by Hybrids Human's/ Bad ET's DNA.
Am I going in the right direction, or am I in the making of a good novel ?.
How do we know when we are called and chosen ?.
Hope I have asked the right questions this time.:original:

[Swamisalami]

Hello Norval,

Thank you for all them great posts, love them!

What is your opinion about the information this site is showing in the videosection.

http://www.endtime.com/Videos2.aspx

Without the religiosityfactor.

THANX for all the hard work you've done and sharing it with us.:thumb_yello:

[gazbom]

Here is some evidence to back Norval's claims!
Click on link!

link (http://gazbom.blogspot.com/2008/08/ufo-evidence-since-6000-bc.html)

[wwolf67]

The bible is false
Shoemaker was a feeble attempt by the dark to ignite Jupiter= second sun
Peace to ALL

[Norval]

Omshanti (you make me type alot :winksmiley02: good questions)
The so called "devil" would be the leader of them. The head honcho since being thrown
down has an attitude towards certain ones amongst mankind here on earth. Yes, image
and likeness can also be termed attributes and qualities. How much we may physically
look like our creators I don't know. It's not the planet the bad ET's want, it's us.
Mankind. They have been in basic control of this planet for several thousand years. The
war that is talked about in Revelations is a two part war. In times past the bad ET's have
fought amongst themselves. The myths of old for example. The last war was the battle
that cast the devil out of heaven along with all the rest of the Bad ET's. They weren't
wanted up there anymore. Not good neighbors. And yes, there is much about our DNA
and cross breading, the Nephelim. Six fingers and toes is a trait of alien DNA.
More later.

Swamisalami
IMO, the 666 said they haven't done their research. :thumbdown: Its 616 in the oldest manuscripts.
I wasn't sure what video you had in mind.

Gazbom :thumb_yello:
Yes, "they" have been with us for all time since we were created and handed over for
"testing". Both good ET's and the bad ones. Good link of the ancient evidence.

Wolf67
There was a part added about 300 - 350 AD that was a trade mark amongst sailors of
old. Now it is removed from most modern bibles and is seldom even seen in a foot note.
This saying came from there, perhaps you have heard it; Red sky at night, sailors delight.
Red sky in morning, sailor takes warning." There were a few false parts, and many
mistakes that have been corrected too. But I wouldn't toss the baby out with the bath
water when it comes to the ET / bible connection just yet. :original:

[zorgon]

Now you must QUESTION ALL craters, everywhere. Comet, Asteroid, or WEAPON?.

One other possibility

Electric Arcing :biggrin2:

But you can always put it together as I have a place to post it :wink2:

[zorgon]

The bible is false
Shoemaker was a feeble attempt by the dark to ignite Jupiter= second sun
Peace to ALL

That would be Galileo... not Shoemaker

Project Lucifer

"Lucifer" as in "Bringer of Light" named by Sir Arthur C Clark in 2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbmd7hWz2qI



,,

[2infinityandbeyond]

The fact that there was a war in our solar system is absolutely indisputible.

I also have evidence that there was a nuclear was on earth some time ago.

Im suprised this isnt common knowledge. Really and truly, im baffled at the ignorant scepticism that runs rampant through human conciousness these days.

[Gale]

Really and truly, im baffled at the ignorant scepticism that runs rampant through human conciousness these days

Rampant running skeptics are not necessarily human.

I also have evidence that there was a nuclear was on earth some time ago.

There is more developed technology we are yet to realize. Take a look at the castles in Europe et al that are vitrified.

Hi Zorgon
"Electric Arcing" :lmfao:
Thank you, been there, done that, discounted and sold the t-shirt.
Nice signature.

[BlueSojourn]

One other possibility

Electric Arcing :biggrin2:

You get the gold star, zorgon, since you're the only one in this entire thread to posit a rational and verifiable alternative to all of the silly, baseless, melodramatic nonsense being tossed about here.

NEWS FLASH: The High Priests of The Church of Astronomy, Astrophysics and General Physics, have been stumbling down a dead-end road for nearly a century now.

If anyone really wishes to understand the most likely dynamics and mechanisms involved with most of the so-called "anomalous structures" observed throughout the solar system and beyond (and believe me, crater chains are only the tip of the iceberg), then I would suggest you start with this primer:


Then, if that sparks your interest, be prepared to spend a considerable chunk of time digesting the information found here:
[URL=]"http://www.thunderbolts.info/default.htm" (]"http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=thunderbolts+of+the+gods&hl=en&emb=0&aq=0&oq=thunderbolts#"[/URL)

To ignore this most basic aspect of the cosmos is to have a very limited and skewed view of the cosmos and its workings. Personally, whenever I engage in a discusion, I like to be able to do so intelligently... but that's just me.

[Norval]

BlueSojourn :welcomeani:
Electric arcing was a possibility as Zorgon mentions, and was investigated.
The two greatest insulators to prevent arcing of electricity are distance, and vacuum.
Both of which space is full of.

The verifiable scars of war craters on our planet proved what caused the craters in our
solar system, of which our governments have been aware of for a long time. No
alternative explanation is needed. It's just not what the bad ET's and the powers that be
want the people to know.

Just like the broken up comet theory, good misdirection and has a high plausibility.
Now people, and the leaders everywhere, have another explanation about the war in our
solar system, the bible
Thanks for the post, get many hits over there? :original:

[OceanWinds]

interesting topic guys.... loved the video on magnetism and plasma... makes me feel like the universe is one large entity... its a great feeling

btw Norval, those craters are amazing.... they are exactly the same size the whole way through, and form a uniform line.

And lets say it is possible for it to have been arcing... how possible is it for arcing to happen in a line like that. I just dont see it... or are they talking about a close celestial pass through where charges build up and discharge between the bodies? Anyway its fascinating... keep up the good work guys.

[gazbom]

Rampant running skeptics are not necessarily human.



There is more developed technology we are yet to realize. Take a look at the castles in Europe et al that are vitrified.

Hi Zorgon
"Electric Arcing" :lmfao:
Thank you, been there, done that, discounted and sold the t-shirt.
Nice signature.
Hi Gale, here is a link to those vitrified castles!
http://www.brigantesnation.com/VitrifiedForts/TheMysteryofVitrifiedHillforts.htm

[kayak]

Re: Carol

"It is unwise to cast dispersion where there is no evidence other then a vivid imagination to support your statement and I would hope a sense of appreciation replaces your original dissapointment."

Wouldn't that be "cast aspersion?" Are you familiar with the Roman Catholic ritual where the priest "sprinkles" the congregation with holy water, while invocating the Latin phrase, "Asperges me [literally, sprinkle me]?"

I am Kayak.

[Wanderer369]

Very interesting topic; reminded me of a picture I pulled off the nasa website some time ago….

http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/?IDNumber=pia09160

Download the hi-rez version to this pic; open it.

Make your own assertions on how this looks; I’m sure people on this forum could tie this to more things then I could. Zoom in towards the top of the apparent “head” and check out the hatch. Symmetrically both doors are the same size, also notice to the right of the hatch doors the heavy shadow line, this shows that the hatch is lower on the surface. Bet you could fit a pretty big ship through those doors, no?

[lehomonuka]

Thank you very much Norval and Gale for All of your posts.
I also beieve that what we have of Bible is more like a
"Readers digest-condenced"version and there was/is So much
more that was deleted in order to control the masses.
Remember, that we,the elect,"fight not aginst flesh and blood,
but aginst perincipalitys and powers in high places" Many have stated their belief of being in "the last days", and if these times aint it, it sure as heaven is close.

Go out side and check out the Moon,and ask yourselves,"how did those craters that we see, get there(shrug) and why are they almost perfectly round. I can understand the back side being hit by meteors, but since when do they travel from west to east(shrug)

it was stated here in this thread to discern the
the spirits, because wasn't Lucy Furr the brightest light of our Creators crown(shrug) and most briliant of His/hers creation and appears as an angel of light

There was/is so much more to the scriptures that can be understood through using discernment and there is so much
to learn about our purposes in the Ole man's Plans
Please check out this site for "some" of the other scriptures
that were taken out by the council of Niecia around 376 ad.
http://reluctant-messenger.com/alternate-gospels.htm
Look at the book of Jasher(upright record) for an indepth
record of creation and, how Mose came up all those other laws
besides "the top ten". at this site mentioned are copys of ALL
of mans great religions from hindu to tao to zoroastor and many in between check out the gospel of Levi for an akashic record of life of Yeshua bin yosef's early years

I am in the belief that religion and spirituality are two sides of the same coin of whatever your belief system maybe
Religion is the learning of the system or precipts and spirituality
is the "practice" of the rules and precipts
I also believe that many,many here at pc/pa have been chosen to do some great works,such as Norval, by opening others to
"other"possibilitys, that left alone to our thoughts and "beliefs"
only see a limited view. Paul/saul said "we look through the glass darkly" and by "sharing" our different POV's we just might type something that will incourage others to look outside their box of opinions and speculations. "more will be revealed"
Thank you agin Norval
-Lynn-
I AM Lehomonuka and I endorse this messege

[IronWoman]

like what the boy from mars said.. Boriska

[Lunaris]

thankyou for this post norval! even in these forums it is hard to get information sometimes...i just got here and look forward to more!

om shanti

[Norval]

An open message to all reading this thread.

This is a Whistle Blower thread, in an area that has not yet been covered by any
interview, so the information we present here are for those that have advanced enough to
make the connection about the bible and ET's.

This aspect of the "Recent War in our Solar System" is a part of the true physical
evidence we have investigated and is there for all to see. So we will now be posting
pictures, as they are worth a thousand words. (Or so it is said.)

In the work of putting together a very big puzzle one needs a perspective of what the
outcome would look like. The bible is the "picture on the box" to follow in putting
together the puzzle. What Gale and I have done, is use the bible as that box picture the
puzzle came in. The pieces are the information of all history, myths, legends, folklore, fairy
tales, and the sciences.

[gazbom]

An open message to all reading this thread.

This is a Whistle Blower thread, in an area that has not yet been covered by any
interview, so the information we present here are for those that have advanced enough to
make the connection about the bible and ET's.

This aspect of the "Recent War in our Solar System" is a part of the true physical
evidence we have investigated and is there for all to see. So we will now be posting
pictures, as they are worth a thousand words. (Or so it is said.)

In the work of putting together a very big puzzle one needs a perspective of what the
outcome would look like. The bible is the "picture on the box" to follow in putting
together the puzzle. What Gale and I have done, is use the bible as that box picture the
puzzle came in. The pieces are the information of all history, myths, legends, folklore, fairy
tales, and the sciences.
Wonderfull idea Norval!

[hobbit]

Why would space be a vacuum?
Who has TOLD You that?
Space is a radiant pressure of charge, if it were a vacuum, how come everything is not simply sucked into it?
We have been veiled, but don't just look for evil, think of the positive reasons why.
This knowledge of space has in the past been weaponised, it will make nuclear look like fizzy pops, can you imagine some of the so called leaders at present having their stinking war mongering hands on such weapons?

Stop fuelling the FEAR, think of the possibilities, think positive.
The bible could have been written by the most evil of control freaks.
There is no evidence what so ever of who wrote it.

http://home.netcom.com/~sbyers11/index.html

Religious beliefs are just that, beliefs, all based upon what you have been TOLD and brainwashed with.
I consider everything is ONE, made from that one.
The bible is most probably a collection of recollections by countless people over many years, and may well tell of future events based on past events.
Hobbit

[Norval]

Hobbit asks, Why would space be a vacuum?
Who has TOLD You that?


Well, it is most commonalty know that the pressure in space is about MINUS 14 lb.. psi.
Pressure gages told everyone this. :original:

The rest of your message is off topic. Thank you for your input. :thumbdown:

P.S. I personally have no religious beliefs. If you had read the OP's (me) first post it
would explain the premise of this topic. :welcomeani:

[Norval]

This picture is of the Valhalla region on Jupiter's moon, Callisto shows a remarkable
CS crater chain. Each crater in this chain is about 5 miles in diameter, or just over 8 km.
I count about 30 craters, in far to accurate of a line to be "natural", and so evenly spaced
and sized. Try that with a hand full of rocks, or an electric arc. :naughty:

http://www2.jpl.nasa.gov/galileo/callisto/02281997_full.jpg


More pictures are added to our posts from the start pos tnow.

[Dantheman62]

Hey N, on the first page of this thread in the fifth link you provided, it says that when comets stray to close to Jupiter, they are torn apart by the strong gravity of Jupiter and when pieces are than strung out along the orbital path and hit an object like Callisto (one of Jupiters moons), the sequence of impacts produce a crater chain, does that not explain it? It's in the fifth link and the last paragraph in the link. And that's my two cents LOL! I mean if you've got thousands or tens of thousands of pieces, isn't it possible that some can line up.

[Tuza]

Forgive my ignorance, I believe there have been plenty of wars in space, but can you explain what this has to do with the bible. Do you mean the wars between the fall of the angels being thrown down to earth. I am just curious. What is the significance of the space wars, because I know they have been going on for eons.

[pilot]

Very interesting thread, thank you N and G for posting this information.
I don't think it's such a great leap at all-the idea et's are and have always been involved in our existence and there is evidence to be found of this in the Bible.

Do you have links to an article you've written? I'd be interested in any conclusions you might have drawn from your research and what bearing they have on current events re et disclosure.

[pilot]

Re: Carol

"It is unwise to cast dispersion where there is no evidence other then a vivid imagination to support your statement and I would hope a sense of appreciation replaces your original dissapointment."

Wouldn't that be "cast aspersion?" Are you familiar with the Roman Catholic ritual where the priest "sprinkles" the congregation with holy water, while invocating the Latin phrase, "Asperges me [literally, sprinkle me]?"

I am Kayak.

Are you an English teacher?

[Norval]

Hi Tuza,

Read this to get that information, Thanks :original:

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3194 :thumb_yello:


This is Phobos, a "moon" of Mars. Very little gravity as it is only about 20 miles big. Many scientists question it's origin,

http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpegMod/PIA10367_modest.jpg

[Shechaiyah]

Wow. I wasn't aware that people know about this.

I've been re-processessing NASA ( http://areo.info/mer/ ) photos

for the past six months. I have two that show an attack on Mars 11/11/07 and two that show a military base at Victoria Crater.

I wasn't aware that any of this was ever even possible. Anybody know anything about a Baghdad, Iraq, STARGATE? Is that how they do it?


Shech--

[zorgon]

BlueSojourn :welcomeani:
Electric arcing was a possibility as Zorgon mentions, and was investigated.
The two greatest insulators to prevent arcing of electricity are distance, and vacuum.
Both of which space is full of.

Ah well THAT is not so... Arcing works quite well in a vacuum. The Tether experiment showed that... ( I can pull the data)

And thanks for the star BlueSojourn, but I too believe there was an interplanetary war and have a lot of evidence to back it up :wink2: Just no time to present it yet

Someone mentioned nuclear war on Earth? Well lets ignore all the desert wastelands with molten glass in them for now (Tektite, Libyan Glass) despite the fact that the same material was found in the Nevada test site after they played with their toys...

But in India...

Ancient City Found In India
Irradiated By Nuclear Blast
8,000 Years Ago...

Radiation still so intense, the area is highly dangerous...
A heavy layer of radioactive ash in Rajasthan, India, covers a three-square mile area, ten miles west of Jodhpur. Scientists are investigating the site, where a housing development was being built.

For some time it has been established that there is a very high rate of birth defects and cancer in the area under construction. The levels of radiation there have registered so high on investigators' gauges that the Indian government has now cordoned off the region. Scientists have unearthed an ancient city where evidence shows an atomic blast dating back thousands of years, from 8,000 to 12,000 years, destroyed most of the buildings and probably a half-million people. One researcher estimates that the nuclear bomb used was about the size of the ones dropped on Japan in 1945.

The Mahabharata clearly describes a catastrophic blast that rocked the continent.
"A single projectile charged with all the power in the Universe...An incandescent column of smoke and flame as bright as 10,000 suns, rose in all its splendor...it was an unknown weapon, an iron thunderbolt, a gigantic messenger of death which reduced to ashes an entire race.

"The corpses were so burned as to be unrecognizable. Their hair and nails fell out, pottery broke without any apparent cause, and the birds turned white.

"After a few hours, all foodstuffs were infected. To escape from this fire, the soldiers threw themselves into the river."

http://www.thelivingmoon.com/43ancients/02files/India_Ancient_City_Rajasthan_near_Jodhpurt.html



,.,

[zorgon]

I wasn't aware that any of this was ever even possible. Anybody know anything about a Baghdad, Iraq, STARGATE? Is that how they do it?


Someone mention Stargates?

Not in this thread... but go here and you will find answers
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/42stargate/index.html

[hobbit]

Norval,
Is this ON topic?
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3112
hobbit
What if space and it's creative methods are different to how you percieve them?
What if there are detectable straight line reasons for electrical occurances to occur on the surface of created spheres?
Would that be ON topic, or only what you consider responsible for the craters?
hobbit

[Gale]

Hobbit, crop circles are another piece of the bigger puzzle, they can only be seen properly from above, could be the losers trying to communicate with those out there, but off topic.

Zorgon, yes more evidence but newer techniques leave a radioactive signature for a far shorter period of time.

[Gale]

Hi Zorgon
Most also know, Eugene Shoemaker was killed in a head on collision in the outback of Australia when coming back from researching a crater. He was about to release information about the geology and glass in Wolfe Creek crater, Barringer crater and the Nevada test craters which would have brought the origin of all craters in our solar system into question.

Thanks Zorgon, excellent, we know you have a lot of information; thanks for helping us present the information about the war and wars in our solar system.

Gazbom, thanks for helping collate the big picture.

Yes Shechaiyah, people do know about war and wars in our solar system and are awaking to this knowledge.
We are amazed we are being allowed to openly discuss it.

:mfr_omg: :thumb_yello:

[hyatt]

hey shech

which pics are you refering to? there are to many to go through right now but im very interested.
thanks
hyatt

[betweenyouandme]

Just to say... as an avid bible reader.... This is just epic lol. Great great stuff everyone. Thanks for all the hard work to everyone involved.
You guys have my love and support, ;)
Norval was kind enough to ask for my comments on this post - which I will give.

It is long and many here won't like it, but it is the Truth.

So, here I go, a non-Bible-thumper giving one single, loud and long thump.

From a little book written a couple thousand years ago....


The observations Norval made, while accurate and prescient are just a small piece of

the puzzle.




But this is just the beginning. For those of you that believe a cosmic cataclysm is

coming in 2012 (or 2009) you're in good company:



So, if one believes in a coming cosmic cataclysm, he should now see that it was foretold a long time ago.

But wait...there's more....

For those of you who believe in the NWO, fascism and coming one world government, you're also in good company.



Many here expect a false alien invasion event. You're in good company too.



But what about Planet X (Nibiru)? The Bible covers that too.



And finally (because this is my one and only thump) for the resident new-agers who's spirit guides told them that all they need is love - you may not be in such good company as you think.



And last, the good news.

[Norval]

Heads up, we will be posting about the destruction of Mars next on the Whistle blower thread of War in out Solar System. Our astronomers saw, but couldn't understand what they were looking at.

[Shechaiyah]

Heads up, we will be posting about the destruction of Mars next on the Whistle blower thread of War in out Solar System. Our astronomers saw, but couldn't understand what they were looking at.

Uhm.

It hasn't stopped you know.

You know? I got photos, war games, encampments and battles. Right off the NASA database; photoshopped, of course.


Shech.

[Norval]

Listening to "Hold Your Head Up", Hi yah Shech and Betweenyouandme, nice to meet you. :welcomeani:

Well, Shech, yes it's not entirely over, yet. Just some "mopping up" taking place. The
"major battles" in our solar system have been over for about thirty years. At least that is
what our research has shown based on what astronomers saw and things like what
Charles Fort wrote about. Now there was an interesting read to say the least.

It appears
that for some reason we are going to be allowed to "openly" discuss this/these "heavenly
wars". Gale and I have been stalled out for the last three and a half years. Very strange
indeed. Your input would be appreciated. Thanks. :original:

[gazbom]

Listening to "Hold Your Head Up", Hi yah Shech and Betweenyouandme, nice to meet you. :welcomeani:

Well, Shech, yes it's not entirely over, yet. Just some "mopping up" taking place. The
"major battles" in our solar system have been over for about thirty years. At least that is
what our research has shown based on what astronomers saw and things like what
Charles Fort wrote about. Now there was an interesting read to say the least.

It appears
that for some reason we are going to be allowed to "openly" discuss this/these "heavenly
wars". Gale and I have been stalled out for the last three and a half years. Very strange
indeed. Your input would be appreciated. Thanks. :original:
This is very interesting, sorry for the spam but the original link doesn't work!
watch video (http://gazbom.blogspot.com/2008/09/ufo-crash-near-needles-ca-suspicious.html)

[Norval]

Hey yah Gazbom
Yep, got the T-shirt on that one. :thumb_yello:

Fits right in with what I am about to say about crash
landing UFO's over the past century or so. :original:

[Shechaiyah]

Some years ago, there was a page by a young kid, "Fallen," and I saved it.

He disappeared. But his scholarship in this regard, is amazing.

http://www.abidemiracles.com/fallen.htm

Printing it out, it goes to 95 color pages. Costs an arm and a leg to print.

Enjoy!


Shech--

PS Edit to Add. Norval, I have a color study of Phobos that indicates there is life on that too.

Life is everywhere.

[Norval]

When the war in the heavens reached Mars with it's "canal like" features and the bombs
started falling it appears to have almost cracked Mars open. From old astronomers
drawings and photos to what it looks like today is a remarkable change. Reports in
astronomers diary's and observation notes speak of huge billowing clouds coming up off
the surface of Mars hundreds of miles into the air.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0311/marscanalhubble_ruen.jpg

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0311/marscanalhubble_ruen.jpg
For a bigger picture >
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0311/marscanalhubble_ruen_big.jpg

Those observations were done by astronomers before anyone had seen the clouds
produced by an atomic bomb. Huge dust storms were reported on Mars for the next few
decades. All this time earth was getting crash landing UFO's, mostly small craft. These
beings from the clouds and sky's, from ancient legends, are now what we know of as
ET's, and more importantly in light of what the bible says, very bad ET's.

Mars is now a destroyed world that had bodies of water, much now blown into space
with the rest buried frozen beneath meters of debris. Something caused the waters of
Mars to flood across it's surface more than once. These are all admitted facts of many
scientists now.

With that part of the war over earth now faces the victors of that war in the heavens.
While at the same time the powers that be are coming to terms with the fact that they
have allied themselves with these cast down deceptive ET's. Many insiders have spoken
of the treachery and deceptions of these ET's down here on earth. Their attitudes of
superiority, maybe technologically, but not the good ET phone home type either. These
are the ET's that have infiltrated our world in many places and positions. Yes, some of the
whistle blower testimony is very real, but I would see how it stacks up against what the
bible has to say. :thumb_yello:

'"bad ET and IAC agent posters."
Are they here Norval?

Yes, they are here. :smoke:

[Shechaiyah]

These photos were all taken in the past twelve months, by the Rover along the spillway of Victoria Crater.
[These are the original NASA file names, and these photos are found at http://areo.info/mer/
Photo details were hidden under false color and extreme contrast settings.

http://www.abidemiracles.com/images/nasamars/1P220239540EFF77UNP2446L5M1_L2L5L5L7L7MILIT.jpg

http://www.abidemiracles.com/images/nasamars/1P220239540EFF77UNP2446L5M1_L2L5L5L7L7.jpg

This next photo is dated 11/11/07 :: note the soldier in the foreground is wearing khaki camo fatigues.

http://www.abidemiracles.com/images/nasamars/1P246169413EFF8754P2379L5M1_L2L5L5L7L7WAR2.jpg

and the next photo in the series -- the outcome: THE SOLDIER GETS HIS HEAD BLOWN OFF.

http://www.abidemiracles.com/images/nasamars/1P246169503EFF8754P2379L5M1_L2L5L5L7L7COLCARNAGE.j pg

Apparently, according to Rover photos, not only is there LIFE on Mars, there is also a war going on
between humans and Reptoids who control that planet. I have photos of military bases, encampments,
exercises, political executions and torture.

But NASA says there's no life on Mars.

Does not compute.

Shech--

[gazbom]

Some years ago, there was a page by a young kid, "Fallen," and I saved it.

He disappeared. But his scholarship in this regard, is amazing.

http://www.abidemiracles.com/fallen.htm

Printing it out, it goes to 95 color pages. Costs an arm and a leg to print.

Enjoy!


Shech--

PS Edit to Add. Norval, I have a color study of Phobos that indicates there is life on that too.

Life is everywhere.
Wow! good stuff.

[Shechaiyah]

http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/images/moonchain.jpg

Norval, I took this image, slipped it into the photo viewer, and looked at it at 400%. It's a chop-job, scale absolutely chopped up and manipulated. There is NO SMOOTHNESS across pixels, as one would expect. So, I removed their hues and put in mine. And what I see is, this photo is FULL of human forms: foreground, midground, background. It looks as if a cartoon motif has been added so figures appears where none exist as well as the figures that appear because they DO exist. This photo must be very recent because that gambit -- adding cartoon characters to NASA Mars, Moon and SOHO photos -- only recently became operative. It's present now in SOHO LASKO photos of the Sun, faces and animals embedded to discourage our looking too hard. :shrug:

Here is my version of the same photo, recolored but with the faulty scales left in place because I don't have any way to fix them.

I have another NASA moonscape photo I'll dig out for you, also with human forms in it.

http://www.abidemiracles.com/images/earth/moon/moonscape2.jpg

Shech--

[Norval]

Here is a great asset to exploring Mars from your computer. It takes a bit to get used to
it's functions, but it is well worth it.

http://global-data.mars.asu.edu/bin/themis.pl?

[Shechaiyah]

I find it absolutely demoralizing that NASA cannot DEPICT the Truth about anything, anywhere. A gang of construction workers:

http://www.abidemiracles.com/images/earth/moon/keplarcraterundconstructionCOL.png

[Shechaiyah]

Human forms on the Moon:

http://www.abidemiracles.com/images/earth/moon/moonbaseCOL.jpg

This very famous photo is very difficult to unpack. However, there are human forms in the upper left and lower right. It's a mess, but we've all seen that square box that somebody thought was a moonbase. In fact, it's an electrical box on top of a corrugated metal roof.

:shrug:
Shech--

[Shechaiyah]

Hominid forms hidden in the shadow, hard to see due to excessive contrast:

http://www.abidemiracles.com/images/earth/moon/moonbaseULeftCOL.jpg

There are human forms in these. That's three-for-three.


Shech--

[Bobcat]

Sorry I can't add anything but I'd just like to say, thank you all for a very good read.

Kind Regards

Bobcat

[Norval]

Using the Mars map we were able to find the longest concise and systematic crater chain on Mars.

Images like this one helped in searching for crater chains on Mars.

http://themis-data.asu.edu/img/context/V15195001?large=1

[Norval]

Now look at these. :original:

A "moon" of Saturn, and in a very strange orbit, Iapetus, Hoaglands "moon With A
View". http://www.enterprisemission.com/moon1.htm


http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA06166.jpg

He wonders at the destruction, as do I. What would be left of a dreadnought battle
cruiser if pummeled by atomics after the attacks? Like this?

[jeromey]

very interesting...

[2infinityandbeyond]

Thank you for sharing your research Norval. Although most of mine has been done exploring the theory that there was a nuclear war on earth i had planned to accumulate enough information to put up a good case that there was in fact many wars fought in our solar system.

Youve saved me a lot of digging, hopefully i can make some valuable contributions to this post later on. Right now things are kinda busy for me but its well up there on my 'to do' list.

[Gale]

http://www.craterchains.com/forumimgs/IAPETUS-Wall-CL-s.jpg
Moon with a View (http://www.enterprisemission.com/moon5.htm)

This image of Iapetus is borrowed from Richard Hoagland’s report shows the ridge up close. The ridge is 20-kilometer wide (12 miles), peak of the ridge reaches at least 13 kilometers (8 miles) above the surrounding terrain, roughly 1,300 kilometer (800 mile) in length, almost exactly parallel to the equator. What is unique is the concise and systematic crater chains running along the very top of the ridge.

For just 13 strikes in a row the odds of that is virtually impossible. If you were a betting person you would win all the lotteries but to run crater chains precisely along the top ridge is phenomenal.

We have investigated this image; it has not been released to the public but through Richard Hoagland. We are still waiting for Richard’s last page, Coming soon: the extraordinary Part 7 Conclusion of “Moon with a View” since 2005, hopefully it will be done soon.

Case in point, the Heavenly New Jerusalem is 1500 miles big, where as Iapetus is 892 miles big, bringing into question many of the small moons in our solar system.

[Gale]

If the picture from Richard Hoagland’s site does not load for you it is on this web page or cut and paste his url into a new blank web page address bar.

http://www.enterprisemission.com/moon1.htm

http://www.enterprisemission.com/images_v2/Iapetus/IAPETUS-Wall-CL-s.jpg

This maybe a glitch with displaying images or with displaying images from Richard Hoagland's web site.
:yikes:

[Gnosis5]

Interesting, we just came out of a look at a past where a whole planet was "vitrified" ... and beyond, but put a modulator on the technology involved and I could see large scale vitrification.


Hi Gale, here is a link to those vitrified castles!
http://www.brigantesnation.com/VitrifiedForts/TheMysteryofVitrifiedHillforts.htm

[gazbom]

I just came across this and I thought relevent!
From Paul’s point of view it was – if not evil, close to it. She was shown an underground cavern with human or humanoid parts in there. He saw this as part of the negative and evil E. T.s and Paul wondered if the government were keeping it all closed up out of fear. Or, even worse, Paul Bennewitz wondered if the underground military governmental complex was hiding information in league with the bad E. T.s who mutilated animals and abducted the mother and son in the beam of light.
read whole story below.
http://www.earthfiles.com (http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1481&category=Environment)

Who was Paul Bennewitz read here (http://projectcamelot.org/bennewitz.html)

[Tuza]

I hope they rot in hell for hurting poor animals and the rest. If I had a gun myself so help me.

[kaedin32x]

dont know if this is related or not but check this out. look at the number of potentially hazardous asteroids near earth!

http://spaceweather.com/index.php

[gazbom]

Hi, Gale and Norval,
According too the Watchtower, Jesus won the war against the bad ET's in 1914 and thats why they are hear, hiding if you like. I'm not saying this is true but it would tie up with your theory of the last hundred year's!
And we all know what happened in 1914, I have provided a link to show how The Watchtower arrive at this date!
link (http://www.jwfacts.com/index_files/1914.htm)


Over the last century there has been an accumulation of evidence that proves beyond doubt that the destruction of Jerusalem occurred between 586 and 587 B.C. An objective reading of the Bible and history accepts this without issue. The Watchtower Society has a vested interest in 1914 and hence 607, and so stringently attempts to dismiss any evidence to the contrary.

Daniel 4 is the only Scripture used to specifically pinpoint 1914 as the year Jesus started to rule. If the Watchtower misapplies Daniel 4, there is no reason to think that the Last Days began October 2nd 1914. Related to this topic is whether the signs of Jesus presence indicate his rulership and the Last Days started in 1914

[Sol Invictus]

Well Norval,
pleasure to read your thread. I'll share a little if I may.

Yes there is an on going multi plane, multi frequency 'war' at this very minute, but what you are seeing and photographing is the remenant of a war almost twenty thousand years ago.

Search for daisy chained craters across earths globe, and you will find them were mankind first had his settlements. In short, the shukra tried to wipe us out before we could rise up and start our own civilisations.

Now, as for the war right now, its being one and executed in a very systematical way, and the destruction is absolute. The light is winning, and soon within the next3 years should be won apart from certain elements within our own worlds system.

Then it will come down to us, if we are strong enough to over throw this monster in our midst.

[Sol Invictus]

Iapatus is actually artificial, and if you look closely you will see it is made of many sides, and not spherical at all.

The 'ridge' is a launching system and surveillance platform. Hence it got pummelled stupid. Also, it was the main 'vulnerability', as the crust is actually nearly 11miles thick at its THINNEST.

Inside it is the left overs of a civilisation long destroyed. However, certain systems within it are still functional - any one who can aim a radio telescope at it is in for a big suprise.

[omshanti2]

Hello Sol Invictus, I enjoy reading this thread and all the information people are providing, but please forgive me, but could you explain what the shukra is please.

[Sol Invictus]

I do apologise. The Shukra (those who shun the light) are the hive minded race that is generally called the 'greys' and the 'reptilian' 'aliens'.

The greys and reptilians are actually one and the same specie, just from seperate 'caste' systems within the hive. The small 'greys' are workers, the tall reptile looking ones are the ones that 'enforce the will' of the hive, there is also a bigger, heavily armoured soldier versins (just like in an ant colony) and a smaller more blue version that attends the needs of the top tier.

The taller yellow versions that many people see in their abductions are the 'Dr's' or medics of the hive and rarely venture far from safety because of their intrinsic value.

This is ironic in a sense becuase they themselves are a genetically engineered race from billions of years ago, and come from a primitive insect like specie. Their creators have long vanished from the pages of time, and now the hives are trapped within their rigid program of finding worlds, harvesting them for minerals and gold, and moving on after establishing mining colonies to make sure the hives always have access to gold.

[Norval]

Even more ironic those abductors can only operate from within earth bases now. Their
massive ships having been destroyed, now the losers fled cowardly crash landing most of
their small escape craft here on earth." My, how far you have fallen", is what is wrote
about them.

Recognize any of the destroyed structures in this photo of Mars? :naughty:

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0407/razorback_merOpportunity_c1.jpg

The full page.
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap040727.html

[Shechaiyah]

I don't get anything at all out of this photo.

Nothing.

[333mark333]

Even more ironic those abductors can only operate from within earth bases now. Their
massive ships having been destroyed, now the losers fled cowardly crash landing most of
their small escape craft here on earth." My, how far you have fallen", is what is wrote
about them.

Recognize any of the destroyed structures in this photo of Mars? :naughty:

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0407/razorback_merOpportunity_c1.jpg

The full page.
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap040727.html


A little of Topic, What are those BlueBerries all about??

[Sol Invictus]

The blue spheres contain Hematite and other minerals that show that once there was alot of water on mars. Not just small amounts, but vast areas of it for these to form in the wet sediment below pressed down upon by huge pressures (we will find these if all the oceans of earth ever vanish and we roll across a desert area that was once a sea bed.

Hope that helps a bit.

[Shechaiyah]

The blue spheres contain Hematite and other minerals that show that once there was alot of water on mars. Not just small amounts, but vast areas of it for these to form in the wet sediment below pressed down upon by huge pressures (we will find these if all the oceans of earth ever vanish and we roll across a desert area that was once a sea bed.

Hope that helps a bit.

I just GAG on this STUFF.

There's plenty of water on Mars, despite the fact, their oceans have receded to the interior.

More than half the photos I have cleaned up show water deep enough you can swim in it.

Yes, it was all once a seabed; but when Nibiru shifted/cocked the pole 90 degrees, the "bottle neck" shifted to the equator so all the oceans receded into the interior; which is exactly what is going to happen when Nibiru approaches three years from now, here, and the North Pole shifts to Equator position. We'[re goint to LOSE 2/3 of our oceans.

Our oceans will recede; and Mars' oceans will return. That's the effect Nibiru creates, and there's nobody can stop that.

All our Denials do nothing to change the natural (every 25,900 years) order of things.


Shech--

[Sol Invictus]

[QUOTE=Shechaiyah;38686]I just GAG on this STUFF.

QUOTE]

Got a problem with my post? care to post a better explanation? or just explain why my post makes you gag?

Either way, I would love an explanation as my post is factually correct and complete in as layman terms as I can explain it.

[Sol Invictus]

As for the ridge around Iapetus, think magnetic rail launch system.

[333mark333]

[QUOTE=Shechaiyah;38686]I just GAG on this STUFF.

QUOTE]

Got a problem with my post? care to post a better explanation? or just explain why my post makes you gag?

Either way, I would love an explanation as my post is factually correct and complete in as layman terms as I can explain it.

Thanks sol :) btw i am not gagging

[Sol Invictus]

Howdy 333,
this is a great thread, well worth keeping tabs on. Norval is right about solar system wide warfare, and as for iapetus, science will never allow joe bloggs to walk upon its surface or travel deep within it.

as for the blue berries, they say beyond any doubt what so ever that Mars had oceans of vast size and depth at one time in its life.

[Gale]

Someone mentioned daisy crater chain, how about daisy cutter. A huge daisy cutter the size of a house would leave only a pile of rubble similar to the two towers remains.

“One leading hypothesis holds that the beads were once-molten rock that froze in mid-air after an impact or a volcanic eruption.”
Unusual Spherules on Mars (http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap040210.html)

“made of iron and rock but dubbed blueberries, were found embedded”
A Berry Bowl of Martian Spherules (http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap040405.html)

The beads from a daisy cutter rip through metal, mortar, flesh and leaves a terrible flattened area.
I apologize to the military ones that this would bring back bad memories and places their minds don’t want to go.

The razorbacks are identical to a crumbling structure like what beachcombers see all the time.

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0404/berrybowl_opportunity.jpg

[Gnosis5]

The ridge looks like the seam that forms when something is pressed or poured in a mold.


Iapatus is actually artificial, and if you look closely you will see it is made of many sides, and not spherical at all.

The 'ridge' is a launching system and surveillance platform. Hence it got pummelled stupid. Also, it was the main 'vulnerability', as the crust is actually nearly 11miles thick at its THINNEST.

Inside it is the left overs of a civilisation long destroyed. However, certain systems within it are still functional - any one who can aim a radio telescope at it is in for a big suprise.

[Norval]

Often one must keep in mind the size of these war torn surfaces.

[Gnosis5]

This thread got me interested in reviewing some of Jesus' sayings, and I find the Gospel of Thomas reveals a being who knows about polarities (or dualities) and the importance of merging (or unfixing) them, and a being who is aware of what he called "The Undivided". I do not see that he gave anyone a technical process for handling polarities. Perhaps his path was the transmutational or devotional path. A beautiful path of heart.:harp:

I'm putting all my money into doing just that -- unfixing polarities. He also alludes to past lives in the Gospel of Thomas and that they can trouble a person in the here and now. This is a being whom I could be in harmony with.

About galactic politics and wars, everything that is written about the current scene stirs up images that we may still hold re multi-previous similar events, and many of us may have some unfinished business to sort out so to speak.

Even though the format of this forum is linear, we are forming a close-ended connection, and through communication we help each other rise in awareness, and one by one we will leave the circle and return to ...... ?

[gazbom]

The ridge looks like the seam that forms when something is pressed or poured in a mold.
Yeah, it does look like that, It looks man made, or artificial!

[Tuza]

I know your all going to think I am really dense here. I am trying to get my head around the whole war in space thing, looking at the pictures, reading the treads and so on and I know the bible having been brought up RC, but can someone succintly tell me what the bottom line means: I am not sure exactly what this means and I know that sounds dumb. Can someone explain to me in a short paragraph please.

[gazbom]

I know your all going to think I am really dense here. I am trying to get my head around the whole war in space thing, looking at the pictures, reading the treads and so on and I know the bible having been brought up RC, but can someone succintly tell me what the bottom line means: I am not sure exactly what this means and I know that sounds dumb. Can someone explain to me in a short paragraph please.
Hi Tuza, I can give you my humble opinion,
Jesus has been crowned king of the heavens, he has deffeated the Devil, bad ET's and they have been humbled and thrown out of heaven and are hiding here amongst us, our governments have known about this for a long time and even work together with the bad ET's. We are now in what the Bible calls the end times Revelation, the last part of the Bible, their is going to be wars and loads of bad things happen but Jesus will come back and deffeat the devil and his helpers and then we can all live happily ever after.

[Norval]

For anyone, that was a very humble expression of what the bible says in very simple terms of
what is happening.

A moment of silence please, , , , , for a well versed bible reader, fallen in defense of what is right
and just. I would also add that Arcora will be back soon, I hope, as another well versed bible
reader. Both Arcora and Gazbom took "bullets" that others should have. IMO

With the war in our solar system over it now appears that these thrown down losing bad ETs are
hell bent on mucking up our world. That is what the bible tells us at least. These ones that have
been deemed to be bad neighbors up there amongst the stars are now here for us to study and
learn from. How ironic is that? What will we learn from these bad ETs here amongst us? Yes,
those right here in these forums, some are bad ETs. And, maybe, just may be, there might be a
few that have had a change of heart. Bad ETs that have turned around, told their head honcho to
take a flying leap off the dock. Yes, some of those are here too. There is a war on people, right
here, everyday, 24 / 7, and most don't have a clue.

There are many that now read the forums and know these words to be true, regardless of the
thread detractors, and deceptions constantly thrown in our paths. We are only trying to prepare
those that have a basic clue as to what is really going on. I, we, cannot help the rest. Read the
bible. Then, and only then will you truly understand.

Norval L. Cunningham

[Stephen]

I have read that some people want Norval to simply point to something/anything in the bible to 'show them' what he is talking about.

Let me take a shot at this....

This what I 'think' as to why Norval does not necessarily do this.

He wants you to 'see' for yourselves. To have your own epiphany about this subject.
By reading the bible and allowing people to become 'aware' on their own.
Lets call it a 'Wow Factor'.

I had that when I first (or better said recently) have had OBEs/Astral Projections/Whatever term you want to name it.

It was not until I saw and felt for myself that The Scales Fell From My Eyes so to speak in relation to my OBEs.

Far be it for me to 'speak' for Norval nor am I 'Defending' him which is not what I am attempting.
Norval can speak and defend for himself.

I am just trying to clarify as *I* see what it is that Norval (and Gale) are doing.

That goes without saying that Norval and I do not agree on everything however, we respect each others point of view.

[Norval]

While there are many that post about varied time lines, levels of realities, dimensions, alternate
universes, and so on, and so on, and so on, pretty much everything one could imagine with their
imagination, I can only tell you of what we have learned about this physical universe we are in.
Even if it were a possibility of all these other realities, do we really need any of it to explain the
reality of today? While some of it may explain away various aspects of what we know to be
accepted facts about the ET / UFO information do we need anything more than just our own
known physical universe? Advanced technologies are fully capable, with some applied deception,
misdirection and subterfuge, to cause one to believe that they may have time traveled, or visited
other dimensions, universes and planets. There fore we will only discuss this one line of time, as
after all time is only a mutually agreed upon method of measurement to determine when an event
occurred, not another dementia. This has side tracked many.

When just contemplating this known physical universe our technological advancement allows us to
be able to now accept what we have seen demonstrated by these ET / UFOs as just that.
Applied technologies that we used to think of as ghosts, demons, angels, and all other distracting,
deceptive, and bogus crapola pulled on mankind over the past few thousand years can now be
understood and accepted. And, it was all, just a test.

This is the end of thousands of years where all who have lived and died of mankind have been
tested as to their integrity, goodness of heart, honor, all that makes you, YOU. Your collective
experiences tested you, and your responses noted, all of your life. The judgment is not from with
out, but from with in, our own hearts are our judges. Disclosure about the ET / bible connection,
based on what has happened over the centuries and today's modern technological
comprehension, now tells us that the rest of the story will be as true as what it told would happen,
and has.

There is a probability that there will be a so called "Staged Second Coming", ET disclosure event,
that would act as another deceiving misdirection. Don't fall for it. With the destruction in our solar
system that we have seen and past astronomers having witnessed we doubt that they can display
the kind of ships that the bible says are coming to earth. The Heavenly New Jerusalem is 1,500
miles big. Do you really think it will be coming alone? Now remember that it says, now King,
Jesus is returning with a vengeance. There is this attitude that one has when dealing with ones
enemies that didn't want him to become King. Not counting that it is said that the thoughts and
heart of Jesus is with mankind, and the bad ET's have gone way beyond their allowed testing of
mankind. Bluntly, the dude is returning, very ******.

The good side is all of the lies, deceptions, slander, bad mean types will be gone. Long live the
King; would be a good saying to learn I think, but that's just a suggestion. Imagine for a moment,
the exopolitical implications that the bible is true, the sociological implications would be staggering
as I can attest to, as the presidential advisor that visited with me on this very boat, twice, was a
sociologist. That was shortly after the think tank incident.

Norval L. Cunningham
Gale smart

[Orion11]

great thread!! just finished it, cant wait for more!

thanks so much.

and fwiw.... i dont see anything that Shechaiyah is talking about.

human figures? seriously?

that stuff takes away from the goodness of this thread. lol

thanks again
Blessings

[EpiphaMe]

That's the meat folks... your heart is your judge, within you, you know why? Because "you" don't really even exist (don't take that and run too far w/it). The Truth within knows all about "you",.... the erroneous, ignorant "you", that which is deceived, thinks it IS somebody! It's a matter of waking up to the reality of who you really are! Let them that have eyes, see.

"You" must "die" in order to know the truth that IS, knowledge of the only true One IS the definition of Eternal LIFE. That which was cast out of heaven is NEVER to return... the physical world is an outpicturing of the interior one.

Yes there is a good probability of a Staged (that word is more accurate than "fake") Alien Invasion and/or Second Coming. Your knowledge of what abides within will determine your experience. But either way, "you" got to go in order to make room for the abiding truth.

I hope you heard what Norval wrote above, that discussions of alternate time lines do not really matter (except as entertainment & the practice of discerning), it's always right now!

It's really beautiful when you understand. I know what I've written may not make sense, still I was moved to write.

[Norval]

Spider Crater on Mercury

http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/browse/PIA10397.jpg

The full image.
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA10397.jpg

As many know of our research into Concise and Systematic, or CS crater chains this image was
posted and we were asked to take a look at it. Yes, those are CS crater chains crisscrossing the
area. The chains of craters were formed before the main big central one as the ejected material
from the big crater covers the CS crater chains. This would be similar to our aircraft strafing runs
over an ammo dump and then the dump exploding.

And, NASA's story.
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA10397

[Orion11]

jeeeez!! I thought the same thing before even reading your text..

wow man.. whatever was there.... they made darn sure there was nothing left.

jeez.. they blasted the hell out of that area...

this is weird man.......... but makes total sense.

thanks so much bro.

[LadyGolfer]

Hi Norval, I was curious about a few things. I have recently read the king james version on Revelations. This is a huge change for me because I have always had an aversion to the bible, but seemed as a child to be fixated on the book of Revelations. I am trying to sift through it all and gain new knowledge. I am hoping that you can assist me with this. What I would like to do is reread the passages with new eyes so to speak. Any pointers? With all the characters mentioned it becomes quite confusing. I understand I am to replace god with ET, but who are the others characters. Who is who? Any assistance you can offer me would be greatly appreciated.

Thank You :)

[Norval]

Lady Golfer,
While Revelations is a part of the story of The War in our solar system it deals with much more
than that. Much of it will have to be addressed in a different thread. It just wouldn't have a bearing
in this thread at this time. These are events that have, are, or will take place. You may want to
make sure your bible has 2nd Esdras (Apocrypha) to cross reference much of Revelations. Or
you can access that book of the bible on line too, but I doubt the cross references would be
there. Much of what I have wrote about is of Revelations but it is in several threads here.
Keep reading, there is time to learn, and don't forget to ask for help, after all, prayer is just
another word for mental telepathy. :original:

Orion11, Thank you.
Saturn's Saucer Moons

http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/browse/PIA08405.jpg

Full size.
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA08405.jpg

The Nasa story.
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA08405

Check out more of Saturn's "moons", here
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/targetFamily/Saturn

[Buchanan561]

Keep up the good work Norval & Gale, and know that there are more of us silent readers than the vocal ones and we take in and absorb what you are trying to show and tell us all. It is the silent ones that need to be reached, and they are there...all ears. Emma

And we are very much aware of the distractors who would like to shut you up. Keep up the fight.

[beauwalton@rocketmail.com]

While there are many that post about varied time lines, levels of realities, dimensions, alternate
universes, and so on, and so on, and so on, pretty much everything one could imagine with their
imagination, I can only tell you of what we have learned about this physical universe we are in.
Even if it were a possibility of all these other realities, do we really need any of it to explain the
reality of today? While some of it may explain away various aspects of what we know to be
accepted facts about the ET / UFO information do we need anything more than just our own
known physical universe? Advanced technologies are fully capable, with some applied deception,
misdirection and subterfuge, to cause one to believe that they may have time traveled, or visited
other dimensions, universes and planets. There fore we will only discuss this one line of time, as
after all time is only a mutually agreed upon method of measurement to determine when an event
occurred, not another dementia. This has side tracked many.

When just contemplating this known physical universe our technological advancement allows us to
be able to now accept what we have seen demonstrated by these ET / UFOs as just that.
Applied technologies that we used to think of as ghosts, demons, angels, and all other distracting,
deceptive, and bogus crapola pulled on mankind over the past few thousand years can now be
understood and accepted. And, it was all, just a test.

This is the end of thousands of years where all who have lived and died of mankind have been
tested as to their integrity, goodness of heart, honor, all that makes you, YOU. Your collective
experiences tested you, and your responses noted, all of your life. The judgment is not from with
out, but from with in, our own hearts are our judges. Disclosure about the ET / bible connection,
based on what has happened over the centuries and today's modern technological
comprehension, now tells us that the rest of the story will be as true as what it told would happen,
and has.

There is a probability that there will be a so called "Staged Second Coming", ET disclosure event,
that would act as another deceiving misdirection. Don't fall for it. With the destruction in our solar
system that we have seen and past astronomers having witnessed we doubt that they can display
the kind of ships that the bible says are coming to earth. The Heavenly New Jerusalem is 1,500
miles big. Do you really think it will be coming alone? Now remember that it says, now King,
Jesus is returning with a vengeance. There is this attitude that one has when dealing with ones
enemies that didn't want him to become King. Not counting that it is said that the thoughts and
heart of Jesus is with mankind, and the bad ET's have gone way beyond their allowed testing of
mankind. Bluntly, the dude is returning, very ******.

The good side is all of the lies, deceptions, slander, bad mean types will be gone. Long live the
King; would be a good saying to learn I think, but that's just a suggestion. Imagine for a moment,
the exopolitical implications that the bible is true, the sociological implications would be staggering
as I can attest to, as the presidential advisor that visited with me on this very boat, twice, was a
sociologist. That was shortly after the think tank incident.

Norval L. Cunningham
Gale smart
I just can't imagine the technology we will inherit when he does come!

[Zira]

While doing the CS crater chain research we found that "in person" 1% of the people we
have talked with vehemently agreed that these concise and systematic chains of craters
are caused by a comet or asteroid. 99% agreed with us that this was literally impossible
to have happened by "chance".

On the internet forums of science, astronomy, and S.E.T.I. sites we found the exact
opposite. We, and the very few that agreed with us, were mercilessly set upon by IAC
agents (thought police) and the Bad ET's, so called "professional skeptics and
debunkers". Gale and I were "literally" killed, hell, we got slaughtered.

That was a major wake up call about these agents on the web.

Who SOLD OUT Who?
The "Sell Out", or bending to the powers that be, has kept them, and their loved ones,
"safe". Several sites we posted our information about the CS crater chain research are
gone, or our posts were removed. Yes, we stand by the bible's explanation of "why" all
this is going on. We found it is the only source of reliable true information to base the
"why" of what we see in the world today.

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2094

Over the years we have been in contact with people from all over the world. Scientists,
mathematicians, theologians, you can pretty much name the fields of learning and we have
had to talk to them as our research spanned such a broad base. Many of them are, or
have left the US. Some were not allowed to leave, or were "called back", even forced to
return.

Now, all of a sudden, we are seeing a turn around by some of those agents, but not the
Bad ET's as they just want all humans dead. What we are now seeing is some of the PtB
seem to think it is time for this information to be allowed out. Bill and Kerry's Avalon
forum appears to be the means of delivery for this information. With or with out their
knowledge. So, with this in mind I do apologize for saying they "sold out", when in fact it
seems to me this information that Gale and I have been providing is vital to the Ground
Crew. IF the bible is really about the UFO/ET connection, then it also contains the
information about what needs to be done to prepare ourselves for Disclosure Day, and
after. Bill, and Kerry, should have banned me, but didn't. That said allot.
In case you've been in la la land,Bil,Kerry,and most people on this forum have great disdain for Holy Scripture.Watch their video interviews.

[Mystica]

In case you've been in la la land,Bil,Kerry,and most people on this forum have great disdain for Holy Scripture.Watch their video interviews.

From what I can tell Norval shows a great reverance for, and puts all of his faith in the Bible.

Your comment here and on other threads makes me think that, while you're faithful, you haven't read the Bible without the lens of fundamentalism.

Are you one of those who believes that Christians will suddenly fly naked into the clouds at the sound of a trumpet?

[SpeedAdict]

I agree with you 100% Mystyca.. Right ON!

He is a very respectfull person of the bible, has almost had all the books published till now ( and some bizarre, rare ones too) He ha been studiyng for more than 20 PLUS (30 i think) years the bible.

Besides his point of view of what he write, show and SHARE with us, is solid proof! And he is not advertising or selling anything, that all makes me think this hard work of interpretation with a modern view and the thechnology that we have now, can give us real answers like he has been doing!!

So MYSTICA, i'm with you 100% and the people that think that will fly naked to the sky for been a good christian, should think and read the bible again with a pragmatic and fundamentalistic view in perspect!

:welcomeani: to reality
Peace and love to all you people

[hobbit]

When I read revelations, I do so with an electrical hat on.
I look at pictures of other planets with an electrical hat on.
The only war I see is a natural one of an electrical universe operating.

We are a consequence of the condition upon the surface of this planet, and by condition I mean electrical condition, it appears as though that condition is changing, very fast.
This may lead to huge transfers of opposing electrical charges, with catastrophic consequences.
Is this what this thread is about?
If You are proposing that the scars on the moon and other planets are caused by weapons, I sense you are wrong.
Hobbit

[Norval]

Hobbit, that was answered here.
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=29399&postcount=34

This war in our solar system went on for eons with the bad ets fighting with each other. The
mythological records are full of these battles. So to have these events been witnessed in modern
times. Astronomers, and even our space shuttles have witnessed some of the action.

It stands to reason that there is a "NO Fly" zone around "Prison Planet Earth" at this time. Yes,
the good ET's (angels) are flying around and making sure no one leaves or gets into space that is
not supposed to. That would mean that some of the whistle blowers were deceived as to what
may have really happened, or where they may have thought they had gone. Remember, it is the
governments that are leaking all this misdirection and misinformation through whistle blowers.
After all, that is where they all got their information. Thus, I doubt that there are any bases of
mankind's elsewhere other than the International Space Station. I would doubt any military space
based super weapons too. Think about it.

This war is now here amongst us. It is a technological based war of information espionage. A
short time ago mankind's very existence was at stake, but we have passed that point. The
conspiracy to cover this up for many decades was because of the governments lack of true
knowledge of just who these aliens were that they were dealing with. They now know, as do we,
and now you. :trumpet:

Norval L. Cunningham
Gale Smart

[BeaTnik-BandiT]

Hi Norval, congratulations for your thread. :)
I am curious, do you know the work of :

Lynn Marzulli and Joseph P. Farrell ?


salute.

[THE eXchanger]

YUP...norval and gale are definitely onto something

in case, an inner circle is completely enillated

you would leave "clues" for "others" to pick up

or, when you cycle back in again, in your next incarnation

you can pick up your weaving...right were you left off

in my opinion, i think "norval and gale" should be interviewed
by project avalon/project camelot, very soon

keep up the great work, you two :)

it is very interesting

love/susan
the eXchanger

[Norval]

Hi Norval, congratulations for your thread. :)
I am curious, do you know the work of :

Lynn Marzulli and Joseph P. Farrell ?


salute.

Book sellers? :wink2:


Thanks eXchanger

[THE eXchanger]

Book sellers? :wink2:


Thanks eXchanger

where iS my winkee ????:mfr_lol:

yup...people should pay attention to what you are doing!!!

norval & gale
:bond: & :flowers2:

for sure :)

love/susan
the eXchanger:wub2:

[THE eXchanger]

did you ever pay attention to Shechaiyah posts???

and, her take on things ?

it was pretty interesting- esp; related to ususal stuff over washington/and, mars,
and, missing people, etc.,

curious/susan
the eXchanger

[Norval]

Yes eXchanger, I thought I gave them just as much attention as they deserved. :original:

I also politely explained that any photo that has been modified from it's original public release could not be used
for evidence by us in our investigations. :sad:
Thank you.

http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/browse/PIA02960.jpg

And the big image.
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA02960.jpg

NASA's take on it,
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA02960

[BeaTnik-BandiT]

Book sellers? :wink2:


Well, yes. These guys are researchers, and they write books.:biggrin2:
I don't know if they're rich or not. See for yourself. :winksmiley02:

Ok,

-Lynn Marzulli's work talks mainly of UFOs, Nephilims and he connects that to Biblical Prophecies.

-Joseph P. Farrell's work talks about Cosmic War, Interplanetary Warfare & Mesopotamian Mythology, technologies of ancient Egypt.


Here is 2 interesting mp3 interviews from both of them with links, brief descriptions and stuff on RED-ICE CREATIONS.
I urge you to go at least take a look, you could get interesting info. :original:


Lynn Marzulli
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2007/10oct/RICR-071021.html

Joseph P. Farrell
http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2007/11nov/RICR-071101.php

take care !

salute.

[Norval]

Punk,

Yes, I read two articles, one of each, and watched one video.
thank you for the heads up, but if I looked at all that all have done I would not know what I do today of the bible.

I think that is the most important one to look into.

[Gale]

I had bought and read all three of Lynn Marzulli’s books, Nephilim, The Unholy Deception and The Revealing. They were good reads but just that, if I recall correctly the last book had the two witnesses in Jerusalem standing there with fire shooting out of their mouths. Needless to say I sold the books to the second hand bookstore.
:lmao:

[hobbit]

It is my considered opinion that this universe is an electrical universe.
where constant transfers of an electrically charged plasma is based in what is ASSUMED ( ass-u-me) to be nothing but a vacuum.
I also consider that space is a sea of this energy, and it is flowing in all directions at once, with dominant flows determined by geometry.

Do you have any firm evidence to support your theories of an interstellar war?
if not, are you merely supplying disinformation and fear?

I fully accept that there must be many races in universe, and at all levels of advancement.

If You cannot provide any evidence, then surely it would be better to stay in fiction?
I am reasonably convinced that We have our own saucers with gravity control and superluminal capabilities, if the people are convinced that these are aliens, then any level of control over the people will be easy to implement.
I ask again, have you any solid evidence, if not , then this needs labelling as fiction.
Hobbit

[Norval]

Hobbit
All things considered, also that you seem to be unable to discuss the evidence presented so far
and only want to keep presenting the EU concept, I would have to say that we have no evidence
that you would accept as such.

On the other hand, the evidence we have presented thus far was acceptable and accepted for
what it shows by all the powers that be, it is also known that the powers that be tried to keep this
a secret for longer than you or I have been alive. If it was thought that these could "plausibly" be
explained by electrical scaring instead of a comet breaking up and landing in such a concise and
systematic fashion, I am sure the powers that be would have gone with it. They did not, but
instead took advantage of the comet Shoemaker Levi 9 breaking up and splattering all across
Jupiter's atmosphere as the most plausible cause. The powers that be already "knew" what really
caused these CS crater chains and that is weapons. Dr. Shoemaker was investigating the
similarities of several craters on earth with those of atom bomb craters when he died in a head on
collision in the outback of Australia returning from Wolf Creek Crater. :sad:

While on the topic of misdirection and disinformation, which is exactly what these bad deceitful
ET losers are doing, lets consider your posting here in this thread. We are not the least bit fearful,
we are in fact elated at what this represents, I am sure that this war information strikes great fear
into ones that are here that lost that war in our solar system and were thrown down to the earth.
Your misdirection and deception with this comment,
"We have our own saucers with gravity control and superluminal capabilities, if the people are
convinced that these are aliens, " is quite apparent as these UFOs (saucers) have been here long
before mankind even had aircraft.

Thank you for your "considered" opinion. :original:

This information "espionage war" that we are now in can be fought by all with a computer.

Norval L. Cunningham
Gale Smart.

[beauwalton@rocketmail.com]

Video of Dr Shoemaker's theory (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH_xnf6rVUY)
Well above is said theory!

[Norval]

Sorry Beau, but that is not the theory that Dr. Shoemaker was working on when he died. :sad:

That is the "Comet P/Shoemaker-Levy 9 Fragments Slam into Jupiter" video of an animation of the
pieces of the comet hitting Jupiter.

Dr. Shoemakers theory was about the similarities of craters Wolf Creek and Barringer to those of
atom bombs.

[unloadedgunn]

How does the Tunguska explosion in Siberia plug into your theories, if at all? Do you think it was a nuclear bomb detonated in an attempt to cause a pole shift, as I have heard? Or perhaps a large fission propelled craft crash-landed?

[BeaTnik-BandiT]

How does the Tunguska explosion in Siberia plug into your theories, if at all? Do you think it was a nuclear bomb detonated in an attempt to cause a pole shift, as I have heard? Or perhaps a large fission propelled craft crash-landed?

Hey Dude, where did you hear that ? :winksmiley02:

[arcora]

How does the Tunguska explosion in Siberia plug into your theories, if at all? Do you think it was a nuclear bomb detonated in an attempt to cause a pole shift, as I have heard? Or perhaps a large fission propelled craft crash-landed?

That was the big one that brought the bad guys down here for good.

[Gale]

How does the Tunguska explosion in Siberia plug into your theories, if at all? Do you think it was a nuclear bomb detonated in an attempt to cause a pole shift, as I have heard? Or perhaps a large fission propelled craft crash-landed?

Hello unloadedgunn,
The Tunguska explosion was mentioned twice:
HERE (http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=20719&postcount=15)
AND HERE (http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=22314&postcount=36)

Response:
HERE (http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=21370&postcount=26)
AND HERE (http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=23539&postcount=38)

I hope that is helpful.

Hay arcora, nice to see you back :welcomeani:

[unloadedgunn]

Thanks Gale. I should have read the entire thread. I am still leery of this evidence for a few reasons. The first is simple...a race capable of hyper-space or inter-galactic travel would seem to me to be able to monitor/predict a comet's path and avoid it. 2) I am inclined to believe certain sources when it comes to propulsion systems. I haven't heard the slightest hint anywhere that ET's are using nuclear powered craft...its just so 20th century ;) Tachyon drives perhaps or anti gravity devises, like those devised by Tesla and given to O. T. Carr. Granted the machining/workmanship made his craft incapable of flight, but the alien technology which inspired it (Billy Meir's "wedding cake") certainly flew, and to my knowledge the film footage has yet to be debunked. 3)A comet would most certainly contain some extremely interesting ore. What is to say the impact and resulting debris wasn't all attributable to the comet?

Just being the devil's advocate, and thanks again.

[Swamisalami]

How does the Tunguska explosion in Siberia plug into your theories, if at all? Do you think it was a nuclear bomb detonated in an attempt to cause a pole shift, as I have heard? Or perhaps a large fission propelled craft crash-landed?

This guy mentions Tunguska to with a different point of view. Hope you can do something with it.

http://video.google.nl/videosearch?q=russian+scientist&hl=nl&emb=0&aq=2&oq=russian+sci#q=Tunguska%20&hl=nl&emb=0&dur=3

[beauwalton@rocketmail.com]

Sorry Beau, but that is not the theory that Dr. Shoemaker was working on when he died. :sad:

That is the "Comet P/Shoemaker-Levy 9 Fragments Slam into Jupiter" video of an animation of the
pieces of the comet hitting Jupiter.

Dr. Shoemakers theory was about the similarities of craters Wolf Creek and Barringer to those of
atom bombs.
Whoops!

[Karen]

How does the Tunguska explosion in Siberia plug into your theories, if at all? Do you think it was a nuclear bomb detonated in an attempt to cause a pole shift, as I have heard? Or perhaps a large fission propelled craft crash-landed?

I read somewhere (where was that?) that some people think Tunguska was a Nikola Tesla experiment gone bad. I tried a search, but none of these links looks familiar, but they may tell the story I read about. http://tinyurl.com/4cv44e

[Pomguymguy]

Dear Norval and Gale -

There are many of us in this forum who do not post on certain subjects. For me your presence here is so needed. I am not qualified to judge what you say is right or wrong. I find everything you have posted just seems to resonate so much with how I feel deep inside - It is like a massive bolder ((((could be a meteorite !))))has been lifted from my heart.

There are people who live close to me who are devout "born again's" and have put the pressure on, on several occasions - ( I see it for what it is - and when the "End Times" arrive they will wake up)

Your information, as I see it, is such an important part to all the dots that we are collectively connecting here. So I would ask that none of us let our BIG EGO's get in the way and let the rolling stone of the REAL TRUTH gather all the moss and clear the Blue Planet of all the **** we have had to crawl our way through - WE all chose to be here at this time - so be it -Lets get on with the job in hand.

Remember the one's who are on this forum are a tiny minority of the 6.8 Billion so let's not stuff it up as we approach the FUN PART !!

Thank -You both for sharing your knowleage Norval and Gale - Paul R (Pomguymguy):mfr_lol:

[Kelle Baley]

Hello Norval, not in a religious context is the Devil the Bad ET's ?, and do these Bad ET's want/is to wage war with the seed of Adam/ Humans/another faction of ET's (Human ancesters) I mean it says we were made in their image ?.
The Bad ET's obviously want this planet and we must be in the way, well at least some of us, am I right?, and is this the war talked about in revelation ?, Humans verses the Bad ET's ?, I might be way off, correct me if I am wrong.
This would explain why we are being poisoned through various methods, and programmed, for an easy take over, so they think, and anyone exposing them is murdered by our own/ Humans who feel their in to deep to get out, or by Hybrids Human's/ Bad ET's DNA.
Am I going in the right direction, or am I in the making of a good novel ?.
How do we know when we are called and chosen ?.
Hope I have asked the right questions this time.:original:

perhaps this information share will answer those questions. All of this was covered in the barbara marciniac channeling about our earth and what is happening and what has happened. just want you to see these. it answered alot of my questions and left out religion, except the one held every moment of every day the church of your body as comprehending the truth. Not to dis the bible. Inner religion based on understanding leads to wisdom. Information that is applicable to where you are will find you. here is the link on audio. it changed as a balancer my viewpoint about all the et's.

http://fr.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=IMBUED

[quest]

i havent read the whole thread, so excuse me if this suggestion is made before. but did you read about plasmic discharges between planets in the past? google if you like, there is a lot on this subject, very interesting.

(btw, as i understood it, the circular craters are not formed by the hitting of the asteroids themselves, but by impact of the explosion, the energy that is released)

THUNDERBOLTS OF THE GODS

http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=4773590301316220374&ei=yG_0SMnbBImuiAKwjtjsDg&q=plasma+discharge&hl=nl

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[Pomguymguy]

perhaps this information share will answer those questions. All of this was covered in the barbara marciniac channeling about our earth and what is happening and what has happened. just want you to see these. it answered alot of my questions and left out religion, except the one held every moment of every day the church of your body as comprehending the truth. Not to dis the bible. Inner religion based on understanding leads to wisdom. Information that is applicable to where you are will find you. here is the link on audio. it changed as a balancer my viewpoint about all the et's.

http://fr.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=IMBUED

As I was posting my feelings of Norval & Gale's information - You - Kelle were posting the links to the videos - as I listen to the first it just connects with how I was feeling deep inside at the time of writing ! Thank You - :mfr_omg:
Paul R ( Pomguymguy)

[Norval]

Quest,
We doubt that any of these craters are from asteroids. :naughty:

[quest]

Quest,
We doubt that any of these craters are from asteroids. :naughty:

yep, i know, and the electric discharges, did you know the thunderbolds of the gods? they did 'found' hexagonal craters too if i remember well.

[pilot]

Hi Norval and Gale,

I have a couple of Jehovah's Witnesses who periodically come a-knockin on my door. Today they came to give me a Watchtower and read a few verses and I brought up your theories vis a vis the prophecy they were discussing and they didn't flinch-I didn't go into great detail, but you know they too are waiting for this new, better world on the other side of a tribulation period.

Like a lot of us. (2012)

They seem to think Humans are essentially powerless in this great conflict and are simply waiting to be saved.

Like a lot of us. (Blossom Goodchild anyone?)

So, I don't exactly have a question, but if you would care to comment - what is the human's place in this grand drama I wonder.

Peace

[Love/Light 13]

In regards to the Tunguska incident, Valery Uvarov gives his take on the subject in the "missing interview" Project Camelot never posted on their site. You can look it up on youtube, it is titled "Pyramids and 2012". Not sure why Kerry and Bill didn't post it!

He believes it was an asteriod, possibly created in a higher dimensional realm, that carried a dangerous bacteria that could devistate the human population. This asteroid threatens the earth every 100 years, however the benevolent ET's have been protecting humanity by destroying the incoming object with their own technology for years.

Interesting stuff,

L/L 13

*******************************

may WISDOM guide COMPASSION

"out of MANY, we are ONE"

[Norval]

Some marks in our solar system on several surfaces look like energy weapons of a couple different kinds, lasers?, plasma? We don't know, but it looks like high energy stuff was used. :original:

[Newly_Awakened]

Greetings Norval et all,

I wanted to jump in a quick moment to thank you and those that are staying on track in this forum. I know it is difficult to stay on course with the misleading entries and all. You are providing a wealth of information to us all...I as I am sure most am grateful for the time you spend here educating us.

Thanks Norval!

[wwolf67]

Some marks in our solar system on several surfaces look like energy weapons of a couple different kinds, lasers?, plasma? We don't know, but it looks like high energy stuff was used. :original:

A few videos you might want to check out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTylo5g0aHQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NEHZS3IcAA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzMucFjcKV0
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=999435651090748119
http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=4773590301316220374
And these sites
http://www.jmccanneyscience.com/
http://www.holoscience.com/news.php
Rumor has it Nov. 15 is going to be a day to remember; you might want to set sail towards open water
http://www.barry.warmkessel.com/barry/2008impact.html
http://www.unknowncountry.com/news/?id=7026
My elders are debating whether its Pacific or Atlantic impact I feel it won’t matter probability is if a meteorite 1.4 by 1 Km strikes EQs will be the world over.
Love Light and Balance to you Brother

[Norval]

http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/9712/ganycirc_gal_big.jpg

Shown in this picture besides the very scared surface is what looks like a river bed cutting across
the image. While not a river bed it has scientists some what puzzled as to what may have caused
it. The half circle in the middle of the image is also puzzling them. Then there is the Concise and
Systematic crater chain running along the top part of the half circle which the powers that be want
you to think was caused by a broken up chunk of space rock as in asteroid or comet.

With what the bible says about the war in the heavens and what our astronomers and others saw,
besides the known capabilities of our own weapons systems, we can understand what some of
those super weapons would be like to cause a CS crater chain such as this. With the
understanding that this is a known pattern from our own smaller automatic weapons it can stagger
one to think of such weapons that could cause craters such as these.

Was it atomics from a rapid fire system? Precisely guided rapid fire missile systems? Possibly a
pulse fire of some kind of high energy weapon? What is known and agreed upon by most of the
research scientists and us is that these craters in these chains happened in very fast sequence,
almost simultaneously. There is very little fall back of the ejected material from one crater into the
next crater in the chain. Possibly a plasma weapon melted that half circle and river bed like area,
we are asking more questions too.

What we have to ask next is where did all these resources come from for this war?
We think we may have the answer for that question also from more NASA pictures. :trumpet:

For more of the story and dimensions go here.
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA01087
Norval L. Cunningham
Gale Smart

[Tuza]

Can someone tell me how to upload a photo on a forum please.:original:

[Patrick]

Can someone tell me how to upload a photo on a forum please.:original:

When you reply, look for the paper clip up there next to redo/undo arrow buttons.
Click on it.
A new window pops up and allows to browse and do the upload of the image you select from your hard drive.

Then, next time you use the image, just click next to paper clip -drop down arrow, and your list of images will appear for you -to select from.

*******************************
I believe since we have an ELectric Universe, that the weapons used are plasma types.

pso

[beauwalton@rocketmail.com]

Can someone tell me how to upload a photo on a forum please.:original:

sorry off topic,

[Norval]

There are other signs of war that go along with multiple in line craters. Craters within craters.
These are craters that show more than one strike in the same location. Such as this one. There are
many others that even have craters within craters within craters.

Dual crater with in a crater.

http://www.lpod.org/coppermine/albums/userpics/normal_Lagrange-T_LO-IV-160H_LTVT.JPG

From this page,
http://www.lpod.org/coppermine/displayimage.php?album=42&pos=13

[100thmonkey]

Why is it that you (Norval/Gale) dismiss the E.U. arcing theory?
To me it explains every photo you have posted perfectly well.

Don't get me wrong though.
I do agree the bible is describing encounters with ET's, and mirrors the myths and legends of many other cultures in this way.
I also don't discount the idea of ancient wars in space, etc. I think the ancient gods and angels were really the ET's...

I just don't see a single thing in this thread that can't be explained by the Electric Universe model. The Thunderbolts 'Picture of the Day' articles routinely address pictures like these, along with an explanation of their link to ancient spirituality.
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/00archive.htm


BTW is this your site?
http://www.bibleufo.com/index.htm
If not it is very similar to your ideas (without the space war stuff), making a Bible/UFO connection without specific religious claims...

[arcora]

Why is it that you (Norval/Gale) dismiss the E.U. arcing theory?
To me it explains every photo you have posted perfectly well.

The big bang theory explains the creation of the universe - but it isn't true.

The theory of evolution explains human life - but it isn't true.

[100thmonkey]

There are other signs of war that go along with multiple in line craters. Craters within craters...
They're called Bulls-eye craters too. Here's some more info with further examples: http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2007/arch07/070523bullseye.htm

[100thmonkey]

Here's some more info on Crater chains, specifically the example shown early in this thread:
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/arch/040825crater.htm

Also some other examples:
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/050818cleancrater.htm

[100thmonkey]

Here's some more examples of interplanetary scarring:
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/arch/041230predictions-scarring.htm
...and how such things would have appeared to the ancient people's:
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/050412scarface.htm

[100thmonkey]

This image of Iapetus is borrowed from Richard Hoagland’s report shows the ridge up close. The ridge is 20-kilometer wide (12 miles), peak of the ridge reaches at least 13 kilometers (8 miles) above the surrounding terrain, roughly 1,300 kilometer (800 mile) in length, almost exactly parallel to the equator. What is unique is the concise and systematic crater chains running along the very top of the ridge.

For just 13 strikes in a row the odds of that is virtually impossible. If you were a betting person you would win all the lotteries but to run crater chains precisely along the top ridge is phenomenal.
Here's some more info on Iaeputus and it's strange ridge, which would also explain why there would be such crater-chaining aligned precisely along the top of the ridge:
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/050418iapetus.htm
Also:
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2007/arch07/071003iapetusrising.htm

[Antaletriangle]

Strange ray like scars on mercury.
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=17&pictureid=3790
Mercury-The planet Mercury has been known since history has been recorded, but parts of the Solar System's innermost planet have never been seen like this before. Two days ago the robotic MESSENGER spacecraft buzzed past Mercury for the second time and imaged terrain mapped previously only by comparatively crude radar. The above image was recorded as MESSENGER looked back 90 minutes after passing, from an altitude of about 27,000 kilometers. Visible in the above image, among many other newly imaged features, are unusually long rays that appear to run like meridians of longitude out from a young crater near the northern limb. MESSENGER is scheduled to fly past Mercury once more before firing its thrusters to enter orbit in 2011.
courtesy: Astronomy picture of the day.

[Norval]

Monkey,
"Why is it that you (Norval/Gale) dismiss the E.U. arcing theory?"
That was answered quite awhile ago, if you had bothered to read the thread, and our answer is
still sticking to us. :lol3: Posting #34
"I also don't discount the idea of ancient wars in space, etc. I think the ancient gods and angels
were really the ET's..."
That comment would be classed misdirection for these reasons. This final war that was fought, in
which our astronomers witnessed Mars being destroyed, was very recent, not ancient. Also that
these so called gods ARE the ETs, not were the ETs. You also may want to take note that the
EU and thunderbolts came along a couple years after Gale and I submitted our research to
NASA. Thus we think it is mostly misdirection and disinformation. As did many other sites.
"BTW is this your site?"
No
As the premise of this thread states, of which, again, you have failed to read the thread, is about
the bibles explanation of these oddities in our solar system that point to war as the most
reasonable answer and not some happenstance electrical discharge. And, for sure not some
fanciful "spiritualistic" ideology or philosophy. Thank you. :original:

[Norval]

When it comes to war it is the aftermath that hits the people the hardest. After that war in our
solar system and the defeated bad ETs thrown down to the earth, we have this to think about.



Re: The Search for Truth - Amnesty or Vengeance?

The Search for Truth - Amnesty or Vengeance?

Quote:
Kerry said;
"Whether "the people" are able to forgive them, and limit vengeance will be partially due
to projects like ours that began to reveal the truth to the people."
And,
"... Some may not be so generous."

Many have heard this;
"Vengeance is mine," says the Lord, "I will repay."
Understanding that this is the King of all the Galaxies speaking, coming to take
vengeance, deliver the oppressed, puts that message and this topic in a different light
altogether.

Because of what has happened to friends, loved ones, and ones involved in this research,
I, for one, would love to take vengeance into my own hands. I will not though, but I do
fervently hope that I will be chosen to help in the delivery of that vengeance that is coming
upon all those that have harmed mankind and didn't want Jesus to become King and
killed him once. Yes, King Jesus is returning, (has returned from the looks of our solar
system), and with an attitude. We can no more stop, nor alter, that vengeance than we
can, or have stopped, corruption here

This is a post that I would have preferred not to make, yet it needed to be said.

For some it will be a "doom and gloom" post while for others it will mean "deliverance
and exhilaration". This is a "whistle blower" testimony about a finished message from ET,
the bible, that has been in our hands now for two thousand years.

Religionocity and demonocracy have no place in a monarchy.
The technology of the bad ET’s / fallen angels is just fools play compared to what is
coming.

Sincerely
Norval L. Cunningham Where's the "whistle blower one?
__________________
What will you know tomorrow?

[wwolf67]

I started this during the evacuations;
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message198106/pg1
there's no sun spots because forces en route too and fro are no more; just waiting for the show and collection when its time. Care to explain why Sumerian cylinders are the origin of all religious texts we have today; and why do you consider this whistle blower stuff, its pretty evident false gods from Orion and drac have been warring since the start of this cycle when the reps came from an unknown Galaxy and started the war in Lyra. No I haven t read this thread cant get by the constant referral to false documents you make every post. See VA 243 depicts a false god dictating what we know as the bible. How do you expect to find the answers with half the info. I read when I feel something
Take Care
Balance to ALL

[Norval]

And the war continues, , , , now as an information war, against the disinformation and misdirection and misinformation, , hehe heh heh

[wwolf67]

Pot calling the kettle black brother
Ever heard the saying “you reap what you sow”
Instead of stringing everyone along why don’t you just get to the punch line and tell us when to expect Earth’s invasion
Reality is the invasion happened 450,000 years ago and as always when light enters a dark place the dark flees that’s why I pointed out the evacuation “ufo war over popo” at glp
This thread is nothing more than a false ET invasion Promo
A Picture is worth a thousand words
see link
http://www.bible-history.com/links.php?cat=5&sub=12&cat_name=Ancient+Near+East&subcat_name=Art+%26+Images
Mystery of Sumerian civilization
http://knol.google.com/k/alexey-tseitlin/mystery-of-sumerian-civilization/311nfgdle4v7u/11?locale=en#
Earth's Ancient History
http://www.earth-history.com/Babylon/nergal-ereshkigal.htm
Ancient Sumeria
Primary Author: Robert A. Guisepi
http://history-world.org/sumeria.htm
The Sumerian King List records all the rulers of Earth back over 400,000 years
http://www.crystalinks.com/sumerhistory.html
http://www.crystalinks.com/sumergods.html
E.Vegh
http://www.thelivingmoon.com/45stargates/index.html#books

http://www.sacred-texts.com/index.htm
Question When you started this thread and in the first few entries state your not religious and then you state on the following Saturday that you won’t post because it’s the Sabbath?
Balance to ALL

[wwolf67]

Another Warning

Avebury Down, nr Avebury, Wiltshire. Reported 28th September.
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2008/aveburydown/ullens8a.jpg
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2008/aveburydown/av14a.jpg

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2008/aveburydown/aveburydown2008.html

Australian Scientist Comments On “Digital Barcode”

September 28, 2008 email to Earthfiles: “The new cross in maize on September 28, 2008, appears at first glance to be authentic, and shows a ‘barcode signature’ off to one side. It might be ASCII, since its first few digits (reading left to right, standing near the cross) look like 00100000, which was a ‘word spacer’ in the Crabwood message: [ See 081902 Earthfiles about alien face in Winchester wheat and 081902EarthfilesUpdate about code analysis.]

01 (start)
01000010S (B)
01100101S (e)
01110111S (w)
01100001S (a)
01110010S (r)
01100101S (e)
00100000S (space) ”

FOR MORE INFO SEE EARTHFILES http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1480&category=Environment

Balance to ALL

[100thmonkey]

You also may want to take note that the
EU and thunderbolts came along a couple years after Gale and I submitted our research to
NASA. Thus we think it is mostly misdirection and disinformation. As did many other sites.As I gather you have been with Gale 7 years?
The Electric Universe has been in theory since at least the 70's, with others suspecting the same, back to Velikovsky and Tesla...

Regarding post 34, which I had read but saw that someone else had answered, it assumes arcing is stopped by distance and vacuum...?
Except the EU model shows the Universe is not just a vacuum:

"Mainstream science, for the most part, looks on the universe as electrically neutral and purely mechanical; a place where the weak force of gravity holds fort. Plasma Cosmology, by contrast, acknowledges the electrodynamic nature of the universe. Gravity and inertia are NOT the only forces at work.

...Plasma sometimes emits light when under the excitation of electrical and magnetic fields. Polar auroras bear witness to this fact.

...Plasma is almost everywhere. At least ninety-nine percent of the known universe is, in fact, matter in its plasma state!

...Because plasma remains electrically charged in space, it is influenced more by electromagnetic forces than gravity. In fact space, once considered mostly empty, has been found to be alive with plasma. Vast flows of charged particles have been discovered spanning hundreds-of-thousands of light years across interstellar space.

...Plasma is an excellent conductor of electricity. Because of its free-flowing electrons its conductive properties far surpass those of copper and gold."
http://www.plasmacosmology.net/

http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/050128solidplasma.htm
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/050503eu-1.htm


"I also don't discount the idea of ancient wars in space, etc. I think the ancient gods and angels were really the ET's..."

That comment would be classed misdirection for these reasons. This final war that was fought, in which our astronomers witnessed Mars being destroyed, was very recent, not ancient. Also that these so called gods ARE the ETs, not were the ETs.It's not misdirection on my part. I'm not saying the ET's that were witnessed in ancient times are all gone, never to return. Indeed I think they are still around. They still 'were', as in 'in those days', the one's responsible for gifting certain technologies, as characters like Oannes, the fallen Watchers, etc.

However I think the 'wars' that were witnessed were plasma phenomena, along with planetary movements as described by Velikovsky, etc. That it was planetary collisions (or near misses) that produced the wreckage of Marduk as the Asteroid field, Phobos, Daemos, the scar on Mars, the shifting of Earth's orbit/axis, and so on.

These close passes of huge bodies in the solar system would have caused major electric arcing between themselves, causing not only the scars seen today but being interpreted as wars of the gods, cosmic serpents, etc.
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/arch/041231predictions-rock-art.htm
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/arch/040813origin-rock-art.htm
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/050509plasma-mythology.htm
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/050513serpent.htm


Coinciding with mega-floods (as the earth's oceans spilled across continets), earthquakes and volcanoes, these times would certainly be recorded in myths and legends.
When combined with the actual contacts with ET's, as recorded by Sumerians, Egyptians, etc, you later get books like the bible (compiled from those two cultures during the two 'captivities' of the 'Israelites', and also mixed with native Canaanite stories).
http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/arch/040928cosmic-thunderbolt-1.htm

[100thmonkey]

...However I think the 'wars' that were witnessed were plasma phenomena, along with planetary movements as described by Velikovsky, etc. That it was planetary collisions (or near misses) that produced the wreckage of Marduk as the Asteroid field, Phobos, Daemos, the scar on Mars, the shifting of Earth's orbit/axis, and so on.

These close passes of huge bodies in the solar system would have caused major electric arcing between themselves, causing not only the scars seen today but being interpreted as wars of the gods, cosmic serpents, etc...Here's a great little extract from Plato's 'History of Atlantis'

Plato's grandfather, Solon, questioned the priests in Egypt about early history.
Sonchis of Sais answers:

"…one of the priests, who was of very great age; said, 'O Solon, Solon, you Hellenes are but children, and there is never an old man who is an Hellene.'

Solon, bearing this, said, 'What do you mean?'

'I mean to say,' he replied, 'that in mind you are all young; there is no old opinion handed down among you by ancient tradition, nor any science which is hoary with age. And I will tell you the reason of this: there have been, and there will be again, many destructions of mankind arising out of many causes.

There is a story which even you have preserved, that once upon a time Phaëthon, the son of Helios, having yoked the steeds in his father's chariot, because he was not able to drive them in the path of his father, burnt up all that was upon the earth, and was himself destroyed by a thunderbolt.

Now, this has the form of a myth, but really signifies a declination of the bodies moving around the earth and in the heavens, and a great conflagration of things upon the earth recurring at long intervals of time: when this happens, those who live upon the mountains and in dry and lofty places are more liable to destruction than those who dwell by rivers or on the sea-shore; and from this calamity the Nile, who is our never-failing savior, saves and delivers us.

When, on the other hand, the gods purge the earth with a deluge of water, among you herdsmen and shepherds on the mountains are the survivors, whereas those of you who live in cities are carried by the rivers into the sea; but in this country neither at that time nor at any other does the water come from above on the fields, having always a tendency to come up from below, for which reason the things preserved here are said to be the oldest. The fact is, that wherever the extremity of winter frost or of summer sun does not prevent, the human race is always increasing at times, and at other times diminishing in numbers. And whatever happened either in your country or in ours, or in any other region of which we are informed - if any action which is noble or great, or in any other way remarkable has taken place, all that has been written down of old, and is preserved in our temples;

Whereas you and other nations are just being provided with letters and the other things which States require; and then, at the usual period, the stream from heaven descends like a pestilence, and leaves only those of you who are destitute of letters and education; and thus you have to begin all over again as children, and know nothing of what happened in ancient times, either among us or among yourselves.

As for those genealogies of yours which you have recounted to us, Solon, they are no better than the tales of children; for, in the first place, you remember one deluge only, whereas there were many of them; and, in the next place, you do not know that there dwelt in your land the fairest and noblest race of men which ever lived, of whom you and your whole city are but a seed or remnant.

And this was unknown to you, because for many generations the survivors of that destruction died and made no sign. For there was a time, Solon, before that great deluge of all, when the city which now is Athens was first in war, and was preeminent for the excellence of her laws, and is said to have performed the noblest deeds, and to have had the fairest constitution of any of which tradition tells, under the face of heaven.'

Solon marvelled at this, and earnestly requested the priest to inform him exactly and in order about these former citizens. 'You are welcome to hear about them, Solon,' said the priest, 'both for your own sake and for that of the city; and, above all, for the sake of the goddess who is the common patron and protector and educator of both our cities. She founded your city a thousand years before ours, receiving from the Earth and Hephæstus the seed of your race, and then she founded ours, the constitution of which is set down in our sacred registers as 8000 years old."

- continues into the famous story of Atlantis...

[beauwalton@rocketmail.com]

Another Warning

Avebury Down, nr Avebury, Wiltshire. Reported 28th September.
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2008/aveburydown/ullens8a.jpg
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2008/aveburydown/av14a.jpg

http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/2008/aveburydown/aveburydown2008.html

Australian Scientist Comments On “Digital Barcode”

September 28, 2008 email to Earthfiles: “The new cross in maize on September 28, 2008, appears at first glance to be authentic, and shows a ‘barcode signature’ off to one side. It might be ASCII, since its first few digits (reading left to right, standing near the cross) look like 00100000, which was a ‘word spacer’ in the Crabwood message: [ See 081902 Earthfiles about alien face in Winchester wheat and 081902EarthfilesUpdate about code analysis.]

01 (start)
01000010S (B)
01100101S (e)
01110111S (w)
01100001S (a)
01110010S (r)
01100101S (e)
00100000S (space) ”

FOR MORE INFO SEE EARTHFILES http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1480&category=Environment

Balance to ALL
Hi Wolf, what are you trying to say? Beware space? We know that from the crop circles, what do you mean?

[Gnosis5]

As a clinical researcher my job is to throw out fresh ideas for others to mull over. The latest idea that has come to my attention is that we may actually be existing in a "pocket universe", not the actual physical universe, but a pocket of it which has a radius of about 1.3 lightyears. Now, who would want to do a thing like that? And why?

[beauwalton@rocketmail.com]

As a clinical researcher my job is to throw out fresh ideas for others to mull over. The latest idea that has come to my attention is that we may actually be existing in a "pocket universe", not the actual physical universe, but a pocket of it which has a radius of about 1.3 lightyears. Now, who would want to do a thing like that? And why?
Hi, can you describe a pocket universe?

[Gnosis5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocket_universe

I guess the main concept is, "Toto, we aren't in Kansas anymore".

[beauwalton@rocketmail.com]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocket_universe

I guess the main concept is, "Toto, we aren't in Kansas anymore".
Thank you Gnosis!
Norval, Wolf has a good point.
You tell us all to drop religion and your observing the oldest religious custom there is, Sabbath.
Why?

[Norval]

, , , , , , , , , hangs his head and sighs.

[wwolf67]

Hi Wolf, what are you trying to say? Beware space? We know that from the crop circles, what do you mean?

Honestly
I feel like its another bogus warning of an ET invasion

[arcora]

Thank you Gnosis!
Norval, Wolf has a good point.
You tell us all to drop religion and your observing the oldest religious custom there is, Sabbath.
Why?

Is adhering to the ten commandments religious?

[Bobbi]

Does the bible not tell us that after six days of work you are to take a day off so your animals and workers can refresh?

My husband has been up since the wee hours of the morning and he's just now trying to take a nap. Give the guy a break. Don't any of you take a day, or sometimes two, off?

[Love/Light 13]

I for one would like to thank Norval (with a little help from Bobbi!) and Gale for their contributions to the forum. Their unique take on the ancient scripture of the Bible is a fascinating case study.

I am an Avalon member seeking Truth. Unfortunately i am not one of those members whom can claim to have found it yet. I have been studying deep history for long enough to know to have my internal disinfo filter activated always, and I know in my heart their are many Truths in the words of Norval and Gale.

Disagreement is normal. For instance, contrary to Norval I believe other ancient scriptures are important to study such as the Koran and Baghavad-Gita of Hindu belief. These texts can give us a fuller picture of all players involved in the equation.

We should not play a gotcha games with "wistleblowers" and other so-called experts posting on this site. If you are a member of this forum you should already know no one is 100% correct. No one. Let's respect our members...........

Have a good snooze Norval...............

L/L13

******************************

may WISDOM guide COMPASSION

"out of MANY, we are ONE"

[Shadowstalker]

Hi Tuza,

Read this to get that information, Thanks :original:

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3194 :thumb_yello:


This is Phobos, a "moon" of Mars. Very little gravity as it is only about 20 miles big. Many scientists question it's origin,

http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpegMod/PIA10367_modest.jpg

It looks like it was used for target practice

Namaste-Matte:wub2:

[Shadowstalker]

Is adhering to the ten commandments religious?
Just because it is from a book that is called holy, does not make it religious, it's just common sense to do the right thing. And the Ten Commandments is not all together religious either, save for the first few about god and jealousy. The rest is common sense, so is the golden rule. I mean do we really need a god to tell us these things? I my self make all days a form of sabbath just by respecting myself and others. Does this make me religious? NO..

And is the sabbath truly religious or has it been made law to control the masses????

PEACE MY FRIENDS PEACE not judgement.

Namaste-Matte:wub2:

I am sure most people understand what I am getting at here.. my apologies if none here don't, I just don't have any other way of putting it.

[Brinty]

Priorities first! If the wife's not happy, no one is happy :)

Never a truer word spoken. :thumb_yello: And often, it doesn't take a lot of effort - apart from chopping the wood. :original:

Nothing is more likely to make your life hell than an unhappy wife. :sad:

[arcora]

Thanks Shadow but it was a rhetorical question.

[Shadowstalker]

Thanks Shadow but it was a rhetorical question.

OK then sorry, Usually when folks say things like that, it's not rhetorical..

Namaste-Matte:wub2:

[Brinty]

Some years ago, there was a page by a young kid, "Fallen," and I saved it.

He disappeared. But his scholarship in this regard, is amazing.

http://www.abidemiracles.com/fallen.htm

Printing it out, it goes to 95 color pages. Costs an arm and a leg to print.




If it's of any interest to those wanting to print this document but feel it is too costly, you can do what I did to reduce the cost.

1. Select the entire document then copy and paste into a word processor.
2. In the word processing program, select the entire document again and reduce font size to 10.
3. With the entire document still selected, change font colour to black.
4. Delete all pictures and diagrams.

By doing all the above, I was able to reduce the number of pages to 42 and there was no costly colour used.

[ralok_j]

So, these advanced ET's didn't have some form of guidance system for their weapons? Did they just let the projectiles fly and hope they would strike the intended target? Are you suggesting these "crator chains" are the result of target practice or projectiles that missed their mark?

[beauwalton@rocketmail.com]

, , , , , , , , , hangs his head and sighs.
I have to work Saterday's Norval, it worry's me constantly, should I be observing Sabbath? And what about other Bible feest day's should we be observing them? Is it important or not!

[BeaTnik-BandiT]

Hi Norval and Gale,
Ok....I am no expert in Bible decoding, but i have spend much time in reading accounts from alternative/conspiracy researchers, regarding our 'manipulated' human history.

My goal here is of course is to find the CAUSE/ACTORS and the TIME FRAME of this 'recent War' in the solar system. :lightsabre:
So i would like to know YOUR take on these different accounts which have several details in common:

1- There is Immanuel Velikovsky (Worlds in Collision) who said that Venus could have been the planetoid that created havoc and destruction in the solar system 'recently' in terms of geological time.
The PTBs were discrediting and chasing him to make sure his life was miserable. No wonder that Velikovsky put his finger onto something.

2-David Icke (The Biggest Secret) says quite the same thing about Venus.
It was seen as a comet, or kind a big fireball with long 'hairs' in the sky, with kind of the same results of awe and destruction.

3- Stewart Swerdlow (Blue Blood True Blood) says that before the Earth was colonised:
Reptilians (Alpha Draconis) seeking conquest hurled a planetoid (maybe comet ?) weapon aimed at Mars and Maldek. Theses were supposedly colonised by renegade humanoid factions of the Lyrae constellation. Before the clash, Maldekians took refuge on Mars. As a result, Maldek exploded (asteroid belt?) and Mars lost most of it's atmosphere. And then, this 'weapon planetoid' stopped it's course where it's located today, known as planet Venus.

Unfortunately, Swerdlow doesn't gives a time range.

4- Michael Tsarion (Atlantis, Alien visitation + genetic manipulation) says
that approximately 50,000 years ago, a planetary body named 'Tiamat' (My note:could be 'Maldek' ?) has been mysteriously destroyed.
It was believed to have existed between Mars and Jupiter. He talks about this event to be Earth's first Deluge.

Here an excerpt from page 5 and 6 :

'' Around the time of this event, the solar system, and later the Earth, was colonised by extra-terrestrial beings who were either attracted to this solar system by that conflagration, or upon coming here caused the calamity themselves. Whether the disaster was natural or not, the result was that mankind on Earth experienced total and long lasting chaos and confusion.
.....It is thought that the alien invaders took full advantage of this predicament and moved in to bring about colonization.
.....some theorists, like the energetic Erik Von Dakinen have also determined that there was a great intergalactic war in the neighboring galaxy or solar system. The result of this titanic war had enormeous consequences for the Earth because, it is postulated, the losers (My note: the Atlans or Atlanteans) on being pursued pretended to take refuge on Tiamat. They even erected a makeshift radar-type station there to decoy their pursuers. However, the defeated ones had already taken refuge on Earth, not on Tiamat. Upon their arrival, they almost immediately went underground into existing caverns that through scans of the planet they knew existed.''

Wonderful isn't it ? (sounds like pure fiction at first sight, hehe) :original:

Michael Tsarion says that the Nephilim/Atlanteans established their headquarters, Atlantis, on the continent of Appalachia.To make a storyshort, they made many genetic experimentations. They created a first slave race with the indigenous Earth inhabitants (with the same intellectual capacities as their creators) that eventually came into rebellion and left for Lemuria, were they became technologically advanced.

Then the Nephilim/Atlanteans created a second slave race that came to leave as well for Lemuria to join their 'Earthly' cousins.

excerpt from page 35:

'' The ire of the Atlanteans at this snubbing was so intense that they unleashed an atomic war on the ''sons of the Serpent'' and their Adamic wards, now resident on Lemuria (Oceania)....''

According to Tsarion, this war could be well have occured in very recent times, around the end of Pleistocene, roughly 11,500 years ago.
Recent discoveries are bringing the hypothesis that a 'comet' or whatever thing from outer space exploded over the Earth.

5- D.S Allan and J.B. Delair (Cataclysm) as genuine and well-intentioned scientists, concluded that a (or many) big object (Phaeton) brought destruction in our solar system as a result of the explosion of a supernova.- The Vela supernova- an exploded star, was unusually close, (45 light years) from our solar system. Calculations suggest that it erupted some 14,300 years ago.

Excerpt from page 210:

'' The above-cited detail that the astronomically close Vela supernova exploded sometine between 14,300 and 11,000 years ago indicates that, allowing for the time taken by Phaeton to traverse interstellar space between the pint of its original disruption - 45 light years distant - and the outer confines of the solar system, the planetary derangements under discussion took place approximately 11,500 years ago !

Assuming for the moement that Phaeton, after initially disrupting, subsequently traversed at high velocity on a course destined to bisect the solar system, it need not have actually moved at more than one fiftieth (1/50) of the speed of light to have covered the distance represented by 45 light years in just a few hundred years. ''

To finish, they concluded that this celestial body traversed the solar system, created havoc on Earth (possible pole shift, tidal waves, extinction of many animals, plants, shifts of Earth crust, etc). It caused the explosion of Tiamat (Maldek?) to finally disappear while heading toward the sun.(evidence missing)

- What comes to mind is that destructive events occured between 50,000 and 11,500 years ago.

- The 3 first accounts are concluding that Venus played the center part of a 'Natural' or a 'War' event in the solar system's recent history.

- The 2 last accounts are concluding with scientific proofs for a global scale event around 11,500 years ago.




salute. :cup: :cup::cup:

[Norval]

Shadow,
Yes it does look like target practice don't it.

Thank you Brinty,
I found that information worth saving also.

Hey yah Beau,
Relax, unless your heart is condemning yah, then don't do it. Our Father has worked on His day
off, and so did Jesus, so relax. Do what yah gots to do.

Beatnik,
Thank you, but we sold the T-shirts, we promote using the bible as the book to compare all other
information against.

Now if yah all don't mind, I am taking a break for a bit. :original:
Make sure of all things.
Keep looking up.

[wwolf67]

Posting on sci forums has put you in a permanent defensive mode if I thought you were a spook Id say so Trust me I know how long you have been pushing the craterchain stuff. the war is almost over GETs win the BETS still here have to play it out Shoemaker was deliberately broken up
If you ask me you were doing better for your cause before you started making the bible connections based around fear
Remember these days “fieryice is a sock puppet, and has been banned.” Don’t get me wrong Phil P is a real tool of the dark
Or this you lost me on this thread
http://bb.nightskylive.net/asterisk/viewtopic.php?t=6600&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=d90b278ad6473359c28470af505247b1
Ive seen your craterchains stuff for years now never have I disagreed about the wars but
EU is a fact and
The bible is a control tool based on fear and half truths
The Jesus you claim is coming back was sent here from Orion as part of the Karma sloughing on us experiment… their bad karma picked up in the orion wars to us
Times running out I’m here for Mother Earth; there only going tobe between 6-7 million here after the cleanse I’m real excited about the events coming. The invasion is almost over. When the sun stops spinning its going to birth a new planet. Popo is one of the busiest vortexes. Jupiter will light up. Of the ETs in our vicinity 90% are GETs; they’ll take the seeds that aren’t ready to exist on a 5D Mother to where they need tobe
GET’s have a freewill clause that prohibits them from say… dictating the bible
BET’s don’t play by the same rules….. STS
Question why was your other site called Kingdomofyhwh
I know for a fact you’ve seen the sacred texts link alot how come you ignore the info on that site you'll find your answers there.
In my most heart felt feelings You are under the spell cast by the bible toss it overboard before its too late
Love Light and Balance to you Brother

[Bobbi]

ralok j:

To quote my husband, who is a war veteran:

"If all bullets had found their mark, wars would last days, not years."

[Brinty]

Shadow,
Yes it does look like target practice don't it.

Thank you Brinty,
I found that information worth saving also.




Page numbers can be cut back further still if margins are reduced. I've manged to squeeze it all onto 36 pages. Oh, I also 'left justified' the whole lot and then 'back spaced' to remove the lines wasted by 'centring'. There is one panel near the end that wouldn't fit on the page so I had to reduce the font size in it to 8.

[beauwalton@rocketmail.com]

Posting on sci forums has put you in a permanent defensive mode if I thought you were I spook Id say so Trust me I know how long you have been pushing the craterchain stuff. the war is over GETs won the BETS still here have to play it out Shoemaker was deliberately broken up
If you ask me you were doing better for your cause before you started making the bible connections based around fear
Remember these days “fieryice is a sock puppet, and has been banned.” Don’t get me wrong Phil P is a real tool of the dark
Or this you lost me on this thread
http://bb.nightskylive.net/asterisk/viewtopic.php?t=6600&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=d90b278ad6473359c28470af505247b1
Ive seen your craterchains stuff for years now never have I disagreed about the wars but
EU is a fact and
The bible is a control tool based on fear and half truths
The Jesus you claim is coming back was sent here from Orion as part of the Karma sloughing on us experiment… their bad karma picked up in the orion wars to us
Times running out I’m here for Mother Earth; there only going tobe between 6-7 million here after the cleanse I’m real excited about the events coming. The invasion is almost over. When the sun stops spinning its going to birth a new planet. Popo is one of the busiest vortexes. Jupiter will light up. Of the ETs in our vicinity 90% are GETs; they’ll take the seeds that aren’t ready to exist on a 5D Mother to where they need tobe
GET’s have a freewill clause that prohibits them from say… dictating the bible
BET’s don’t play by the same rules….. STS
Question why was your other site called Kingdomofyhwh
I know for a fact you’ve seen the sacred texts link alot how come you ignore the info on that site you'll find your answers there.
In my most heart felt feelings You are under the spell cast by the bible toss it overboard before its too late
Love Light and Balance to you Brother
No your wrong!
The Bible is good and is a perfect tool to live your life. It´s religion that is a control tool based on fear and half truths and that is the point Norval is trying to get over, Jesus promissed he would be coming back to sort out this mess, I would say you can count on Jesus!

[Shadowstalker]

So, these advanced ET's didn't have some form of guidance system for their weapons? Did they just let the projectiles fly and hope they would strike the intended target? Are you suggesting these "crator chains" are the result of target practice or projectiles that missed their mark?
On the contrary I think they hit there target the way they where meant to.
And who said anything about missing a target... Not me..

And I said they look like target practice yes...

But in any sense one would still need to calibrate there targeting systems would they not, I mean consider the size of the object.

And if you consider they maybe using a type of pulse laser (tho' I may have that phrased wrong) then that would make sense, Or a type of Photon type weapon like in ST:NG, then yes, that would make sense.

Imagine calibrating your systems to target a small chain of Islands or to destroy ley lines on any given planet.

And this moon is where, near Mars? And only 20 mile wide? hmmm that would make sense considering that no one lives there anymore... Or at least folk claim nothing is living there any longer..

But that was fun to ponder on I must say..
Namaste-Matte:wub2:
.

[wwolf67]

No your wrong!
The Bible is good and is a perfect tool to live your life. It´s religion that is a control tool based on fear and half truths and that is the point Norval is trying to get over, Jesus promissed he would be coming back to sort out this mess, I would say you can count on Jesus!

GET’s have a freewill clause that prohibits them from say… dictating the bible
truth

[beauwalton@rocketmail.com]

GET’s have a freewill clause that prohibits them from say… dictating the bible
truth
I don´t understand!

[wwolf67]

love=Good ET
fear=Bad ET
how much love do you find in the bible
waiting around for Jesus... thats what bets want you to do
Ive already posted links as to where the bible came from. why didnt you look
everyone assumes death and destruction is their favorite weapons. it didnt work... deceit is now more desirable to them
use your heart not your head
Balance to All

[beauwalton@rocketmail.com]

love=Good ET
fear=Bad ET
how much love do you find in the bible
waiting around for Jesus... thats what bets want you to do
Ive already posted links as to where the bible came from. why didnt you look
everyone assumes death and destruction is their favorite weapons. it didnt work... deceit is now more desirable to them
use your heart not your head
Balance to All
I didn´t look because I´m here to learn the truth!
No offence intended.
By the way almost the entire New Testament is about love.

[arcora]

love=Good ET
fear=Bad ET
how much love do you find in the bible
waiting around for Jesus... thats what bets want you to do
Ive already posted links as to where the bible came from. why didnt you look
everyone assumes death and destruction is their favorite weapons. it didnt work... deceit is now more desirable to them
use your heart not your head
Balance to All

I see it differently than you and I think it is much more complex.

You mentioned that GET's have a freewill clause that prevents them from dictating the Bible. This isn't entirely true. GET's freewill is given back to the Father - they do his bidding. BET's have freewill to do as they please.

As for the fear and love, sometimes it is backwards. The only fear promoted in the Bible is a fear of God. This is a healthy fear that, if followed, paradoxically leads one to love of God.

The BET's can and do lie. They like to take a small part of the true message and distort it - making it more palatable to those who don't want the whole truth. Lately I see them spouting off a lot about love. The only problem is that this love is misdirected. It is love for oneself and love of earthly things. This kind of love may feel right and feel good but it is a dead end.

Waiting around for Jesus? No. Preparing? Yes.

Finally, we were all given both a head and a heart. Why not use both?

[wwolf67]

By the way almost the entire New Testament is about love.
I read the other thread where you stated you cant bget through it
It was written to confuse. you say you want the truth go look for it cause your not going to find it in the bible. Just the fact theres so many different versions should at least get you to question that
Q who wrote the original do you know
Balance to All

[wwolf67]

I see it differently than you and I think it is much more complex.

You mentioned that GET's have a freewill clause that prevents them from dictating the Bible. This isn't entirely true. GET's freewill is given back to the Father - they do his bidding. BET's have freewill to do as they please.

As for the fear and love, sometimes it is backwards. The only fear promoted in the Bible is a fear of God. This is a healthy fear that, if followed, paradoxically leads one to love of God.

The BET's can and do lie. They like to take a small part of the true message and distort it - making it more palatable to those who don't want the whole truth. Lately I see them spouting off a lot about love. The only problem is that this love is misdirected. It is love for oneself and love of earthly things. This kind of love may feel right and feel good but it is a dead end.

Waiting around for Jesus? No. Preparing? Yes.

Finally, we were all given both a head and a heart. Why not use both?

very complex alot of deciet I encourage you to digg deep it starts in lyra

Quote: As for the fear and love, sometimes it is backwards. The only fear promoted in the Bible is a fear of God. This is a healthy fear that, if followed, paradoxically leads one to love of God.
Sounds more like a threat too me...My god does threaten he loves..period

Quote: You mentioned that GET's have a freewill clause that prevents them from dictating the Bible. This isn't entirely true. GET's freewill is given back to the Father - they do his bidding
oh really whos a GET and whos BET tell us. What you more up a couple rungs in the latter and suddenly your allowed to Question Great Grandfather or Great Grandfather ignores their freewill
Quote:
The BET's can and do lie. They like to take a small part of the true message and distort it - making it more palatable to those who don't want the whole truth.
You just described the bible

Im standing at a fork in the path showing you theres a fork Im not even telling you must believe I am however screaming LOOK
Consider this
For every action=reaction
expanding universe
Great central "black hole"
We are on one side..whats on the other and how does it react..is it shrinking..wheres heaven wheres hell

Im here cause little sister called (mother Earth)
truth

Balance to ALL

[arcora]

very complex alot of deciet I encourage you to digg deep it starts in lyra

Quote: As for the fear and love, sometimes it is backwards. The only fear promoted in the Bible is a fear of God. This is a healthy fear that, if followed, paradoxically leads one to love of God.
Sounds more like a threat too me...My god does threaten he loves..period

Threats can be inspired by love. Do I not punish my own children because I love them? If I allowed my two little girls to live a free-for-all do-whatever-feels-good life it would not be loving of me, would it? Why would I expect my own Father to treat me or anyone else differently?

oh really whos a GET and whos BET tell us.

And they shall be known by their deeds

What you more up a couple rungs in the latter and suddenly your allowed to Question Great Grandfather or Great Grandfather ignores their freewill

I don't understand that sentence.


The BET's can and do lie. They like to take a small part of the true message and distort it - making it more palatable to those who don't want the whole truth.

You just described the bible

Perhaps that is your interpretation but it isn't mine.

Im standing at a fork in the path showing you theres a fork Im not even telling you must believe I am however screaming LOOK
Consider this
For every action=reaction
expanding universe
Great central "black hole"
We are on one side..whats on the other and how does it react..is it shrinking..wheres heaven wheres hell

These words are inconsequential to me.

Im here cause little sister called (mother Earth)

It would be wise for some to reflect on being of this world rather than in this world.

truth
Balance to ALL

Balance = lukewarm. No thank you.


At that we must agree to disagree. I am not responding to you personally in order to change your beliefs.

[Zenbuoy]

Excellent thread, Norval.

...and now we have this from Bob Dean.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbgHyrmgRZM

Love to read thoughts from you, Gale, Gazbom, Brother Whitewolf & all others.

Did I mention, "excellent thread?"

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[wwolf67]

Balance = lukewarm. No thank you.

Try stepping out of a 3D perspective


http://www.charlesgilchrist.com/SGEO/Mandalas/CX4814.gif

[BeaTnik-BandiT]

Beatnik,
Thank you, but we sold the T-shirts, we promote using the bible as the book to compare all other
information against.



Come on Norval,

Sold your t-shirts ? To NASA ? Tied to Brookings ? :original: :zip:

I find your thread a GOOD ONE, but sometimes it feels like a tourist bus tour of the solar system to take pictures of it's anomalies.

I know there IS something interesting with Phobos, Deimos, Iapetus and so on...

But Where is the MEAT ? Explanations, extrapolations, numbers, Bible correlations, dates ?
Till now it feels like a guessing game. :wall:

It would have been GREAT to get your take on Venus !!!

ah.. well...probably missed the goal of this thread.
take care,
salute.

[Norval]

With this last post to this thread I would like to say there is much more to the signs of war in our
solar system. There is also the signs of resource gathering, like strip mining by miles big
machinery. But we have pointed you all in the right direction with what we have presented. The
rest of that research is up to you if you so feel like it. No, we are not going to hand it to you on a
gold plate and do your home work for you. You the reader must make sure of all things.
Besides this information was given to the world and it's leaders some seven years ago. Gale and I
stopped posting, faxing, email, and letters, about it three and a half years ago.
The rest of this part of the bibles message is up to you.
Good researching and keep looking up. Jesus returns in the clouds it says.
Norval L. Cunningham :original:

http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/browse/PIA01618.jpg
From here
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA01618

[Gale]

http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/browse/PIA01490.jpg
South Polar View of Miranda (http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA01490)


The signs of war would include resources to fuel some aspects of that war. There is scaring in our solar system that bear direct resemblance to mining and resource gathering.
The signs are there, I hope our synopsis of what to look for has been helpful.

Gale Smart
:original:

[Shadowstalker]

You guys are just to kewl for words...

Love you both and thank you very much...

Namaste-Matte:wub2:

[alienarena]

Caused by a broken up comet? Toss a hand full of rocks and see what you get.
It is IMPOSSIBLE to get such concise and systematic craters as they tell you.
They are feeding you BS ! ! Feel like a mushroom yet?
Look at the size of those in line craters !
Picture if such "weapons" were used against earth ! !
CS Crater Chains are a product of intelligent weapons of mass destruction.
Wake up people.
Now you must QUESTION ALL craters, everywhere. Comet, Asteroid, or WEAPON?



With all due respect...unless I'm missing something - I'm not quite clear on how this couldn't be a crater chain caused by comets.

Is it possible that a large comet came in at just the right angle and hit these areas much like when you skip a rock over the water?

I've seen a rock skip a pretty straight line across the water.

[sfth13]

I wonder if this mining in the pictures has anything to do with Helium-3. These are great threads with some eye opening info by Gale and Norval. Thanks again

Helium-3 (He-3) is a light, non-radioactive isotope of helium with two protons and one neutron, rare on Earth, sought for use in nuclear fusion research. The abundance of helium-3 is thought to be greater on the Moon (embedded in the upper layer of regolith by the solar wind over billions of years) and the solar system's gas giants (left over from the original solar nebula), though still low in quantity (28 ppm of lunar regolith is helium-4 and 0.01 ppm is helium-3).[1] It is proposed to be used as a second-generation fusion power source.

The helion, the nucleus of a helium-3 atom, consists of two protons but only one neutron, in contrast to two neutrons in ordinary helium. Its existence was first proposed in 1934 by the Australian nuclear physicist Mark Oliphant while based at Cambridge University's Cavendish Laboratory, in an experiment in which fast deuterons were reacted with other deuteron targets (the first demonstration of nuclear fusion). Helium-3, as an isotope, was postulated to be radioactive, until helions from it were accidentally identified as a trace "contaminant" in a sample of natural helium (which is mostly helium-4) from a gas well, by Luis W. Alvarez and Robert Cornog in a cyclotron experiment at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, in 1939. [2]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium-3

[100thmonkey]

... The rest of that research is up to you if you so feel like it. No, we are not going to hand it to you on a gold plate and do your home work for you. You the reader must make sure of all things...Thanks.
So, I've done a bit of homework on this and found some interesting articles on just these kind of formations:

Scars on Miranda (http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/arch/040909scarring-miranda.htm)
Scars on Enceladus (http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/050225enceladus.htm)
Scars on Europa (http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/051214europa.htm)

[Gabe Gabriel]

Norval and Gale are correct I think.

[Norval]

I wonder if this mining in the pictures has anything to do with Helium-3. These are great threads with some eye opening info by Gale and Norval. Thanks again



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium-3

I like your idea about HE3, , just possibly.
Somebody has been doing resource harvesting in our solar system for some time, and with some very big equipment. But, it does take quite alot of resources to "war" on others.

[hobbit]

If Norval is finished , as He say's.
I am left wondering if I have been following the plot of a good fiction story book.
All I have seen are photo's of most likely the effects of an electrical universe in operation, and nothing else.
I have read barrow fulls of ASSUMPTIONS piled on top of each other.
I have every confidence that all levels of beings exist in this universe, and that all things are possible.
Am I missing something, or is this fiction?
hobbit

[Norval]

Hobbit and Monkey,


http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/images/040705olympus-mons.jpg

What thunderbolts stuff wants one to accept is that these are the same. :thumbdown:
Note the flat electric arc scaring on the material, NOT an over ten mile high volcano, or in this case at least a couple of inches.

Yes, and we all can see bunny rabbits in the clouds too. :lmao:

Quote from an article about Olympus Mons on Mars.
"The central edifice of Olympus Mons has a summit caldera 24 kilometers (15 miles)
above the surrounding plains. Surrounding the volcano is an outward-facing scarp 550
kilometers (342 miles) in diameter and several kilometers high."

[BeaTnik-BandiT]

Thanks.
So, I've done a bit of homework on this and found some interesting articles on just these kind of formations:

Scars on Miranda (http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2004/arch/040909scarring-miranda.htm)
Scars on Enceladus (http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/050225enceladus.htm)
Scars on Europa (http://www.thunderbolts.info/tpod/2005/arch05/051214europa.htm)

Good work, 100thmonkey.
Thanks for this. I took a look at the thunderbolts site, and it reveals an interesting aspect of how the universe work.

take care

[hobbit]

Norval,
Removing who dun it or what dun it.
I would respectfully request a discussion about the method employed capable of ever producing what is seen.
I would propose that unless you better comprehend how universe operates , and it's consequences, then assumptions are made on a limited knowledge of something we have hardly the faintest idea about.

I myself consider that the whole creation and dissolvement of mass is missunderstood, and that is to such a basic level that we can't see the wood for the tree's.
I do agree that if the basic method of creation and dissolvement is fully understood that the ultimate of weapons is there to be utilised, and that any advanced civilization capable of travelling in universe must have that capability to hand, as it will be part and parcel of moving about as different as chalk and cheese as far as propulsion is concerned.

But We must reached a tipping point ourselves where the knowledge of universe becomes widely known, then it's up to ourselves to not utilise it.
I consider nikola tesla KNEW, and that Tunguska was one of your strikes here on earth that He caused from Wardenclyffe.

It may well be that for the best of reasons his knowledge was surpressed, as We may well have weaponised it and used it?

The whole system is about positive and negative , and balance is the key to creation, inbalance is the route to dissolvement, back to NO -THING, not nothing, and a strike by a full flow of positive onto a net negative surface , may well result in the dissolvement of mass back to space, or NO-THING, not exactly what thunderbolts suggest?
hobbit

[BeaTnik-BandiT]

Norval,

I Believe in the War in the Solar System theory, but on the other hand,
taking the BIBLE as the SOLE SOURCE of explanation for our human/solar system geology history
and then making conclusions without taking into account any other sources/possibilities, means to me a lack of research ethics.

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You could compare your actual research pilgrimage (and how now you're deep into it) to DEEP SEA DIVING:

We must constantly question the validity of our ideas as we get deeper in any subject.
Failing to do this in your case reminds me of NITROGEN NARCOSIS:

At depths of about 100 feet or more, the increased concentration of nitrogen in the bloodstream effects some divers in a manner similar to alcohol.
Many divers lost it while being 'close to their cigar'.
They completely lost any references, while still believing everything was ok, with fatal consequences.

--- means in your case you could be close to TRUTH, but never reach it, no matter how close you could be ---

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As 100thmonkey said in another thread:

You could be unwittingly promoting a dark agenda, because being too much entrenched in your current ideas.
Evaluating why you came to these beliefs is none of my business and it's up to you to do it.

Let it be clear: I am NO EXPERT at all in the BIBLE stuff, and i acknowledge that it could solve many riddles in the wake to prove this theory.
But it's not enough, that could be only a part of the puzzle.

I'm just a humble 'truthseeker' like many others are, here on this forum, and that would be great to get some open-minded feedback from you to the supporters (I mean those who challenge your ideas, those who genuinely bring new ideas, different explanations).

I have enough respect for you taking time to write this, and i applause your courage and determination (Norval+Gale) for bringing this challenging theory at Avalon.


Take care.

[Norval]

Norval,

I Believe in the War in the Solar System theory, but on the other hand,
taking the BIBLE as the SOLE SOURCE of explanation for our human/solar system geology history
and then making conclusions without taking into account any other sources/possibilities, means to me a lack of research ethics.
Take care.

You have not read my words in these threads then. :wink2:

[Gale]

Attack the poster and don’t add anything to the discussion.
STDD (Same Tactic Different Day)

[BeaTnik-BandiT]

Attack the poster and don’t add anything to the discussion.
STDD (Same Tactic Different Day)

If you read carefully, I didn't mean to 'attacK' Norval, i just gave him advice, and my feeling of things.

I do appreciate this thread like i said many times.
I am amazed with the pictures Norval brings and the chain crater stuff and it's explanation which i agree for at 99.9 %.

Regarding if i brought something for discussion i refer you to my post here:
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=58413&postcount=192

There is enough stuff to discuss about for hours and days ....

I must admit i was a bit frustrated because of Norval refusal to get his feedback, but that's pretty much it.
The following post in response could have been felt like an attack: BUT, NO IT WAS NOT. I understand your reaction and it's legitimate.

Look, we are looking at the same objective, but the way to get there is different.
I simply don't 'resonate' with your beliefs in the thread on Bible conclusions.

Knowing that you seem both pretty much entrenched in your views,
i made the last post to advise Norval to stay open to other views along with voicing my feelings that he could be wrong, somewhere.
Nobody has to agree with everything that is being fed.
I must say 100thmonkey expressed very well the same things i feel. (thread on Bible conclusions)

Now, we are not going to ' Start another War ' so let's make PEACE Right Now. :original:

Salute.

[Norval]

Obviously, the war continues. STDD as Gale stated.

Thanks Beatnik

[BeaTnik-BandiT]

Obviously, the war continues. STDD as Gale stated.


These are your words, not mine.

Having said my opinion, my job is done.
This is your thread, and now I am getting off the bus.

Whish you the best.

take care :winksmiley02:

[Gale]

Mary Lou
Project Camelot Moderator

Don't let the door hit your butt on the way out! See ya. Bye.


A "Whistle Blower" open letter to Bill and Kerry, and the forum. (http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=40549#post40549)

:thumb_yello:

[Jonah]

You continue to bring these vibrations to the forum.

And if notice....

to your persons.

[beauwalton@rocketmail.com]

Thought this might be of some use!

Link (http://gazbom.blogspot.com/2008/07/ancient-crashed-ufo-claimed-to-be-from.html)

[HaveBlue]

The Bible is a book. Written by MEN. You can bet no women were allowed near it! It is not GODS word! It is MENS word.
With all the claims of miracles in it,and there are many- nowhere does it say that a pen magically wrote words all by itself while men stood by and witnessed it.
Men high on mushrooms and other hallucigens wrote bits of it. It was all done over many many years-ever heard of Chinese whispers?
And don't forget, Jesus was opposed to organized religion. He said love and respect all.
The Bible is a book, it is worth reading and thinking about. So are many other books.
And lastly remember you should (according to the Bible) give a tithe to your SOURCE of SPIRITUAL NOURISHMENT. Not neccessarily a christian church.
I sleep well knowing I give directly to the Red Cross and world Vision and am not paying towards a new car or suit or whatever to a preacher.
It really doesn't take much intelligence to only memorize one book your whole life and then regurgitate it back to those that are lost.No wonder they're called the 'flock' and 'lambs' of god! Sheep alright,no doubt about it!
Avalon is about WAKING UP! You must act. Claiming to be a christian is not going to help you! God help us!(guess what) You are in fact going to have to help yourselves :mfr_omg:

[Gale]

With a little research you can figure out what the Red Cross is all about.

Maybe even some more research and you might find out there are the Elect that are females, hint, check out 2 John.

Even better, when you discover it isn’t about religion.

:mfr_omg::roll1:

[taadev]

Here is another site of Norvals:
http://www.craterchains.com/ns/nspage.html

[Czymra]

I see you revive old ghosts.
I must admit some of that information that is here is quite amazing... but I can't see what the benefit is.
It's also sad to see how things were handled before subscription went in.

[BROOK]

wow..that was intense! Very rude, and I'm glad that phase of our development is over:nono:
I'm so glad all of you here are not like that...I myself will send them blessings as they are very confused individules...and I hope they sort it out. We can all agree to disagree...but we must try to do so with an ounce of respect.

[taadev]

This info was new to me. These 'ghosts' are a lot older than you and I; Norval appears to have been onto something.

It seems mathematically improbable these were random acts; possible, just unlikley. He and I also seem to be in agreement on some key inversions made in our Bibles, but I could be wrong on this. Anyway, after looking into his work I'm sorry to see he's gone.

This one was particularly interesting: twelve fairly semetrical hits with a larger one in the center. Twelve is a special number, as you may know, as is 13. (Not unlike the Avalon 'lucky 13' whistleblower thread. As every true whistleblower knows 'bad luck' follows them around.

Even the symbology at 'Avalon', one wonders what the odds are for the the 'lucky' number 13 to happen to land on the whistle-blower thread-id? (Look at the URL: "f=13" (http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=13).)

To all you true blue whistleblowers out there take heart life is but a dream, or as Bill Hicks would say it's all just a ride (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUvDEenZHqo&feature=PlayList&p=20B7D7F94EF86F6A&index=38);
the best is yet to come, for YOU.

Using Hick's theme, symbolically, the big one in the middle is G-d and the twelve are those evil scums trading children and the planet for very short term, relatively speaking, $power$. (This one's for you Bill!)

Enki Catena on Ganymede
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0112/ganychain_gal_c1.jpg

wow..that was intense! Very rude, and I'm glad that phase of our development is over:nono:
I'm so glad all of you here are not like that...I myself will send them blessings as they are very confused individules...and I hope they sort it out. We can all agree to disagree...but we must try to do so with an ounce of respect.

[Dantheman62]

I can't believe you brought this back up! I don't think he was on to anything. It's his version and he wouldn't allow anybody to prove him wrong, or Gale. Here's what I found on the second page but he didn't want to hear it....

What could cause the craters to line up in such a regular fashion? Scientists were at a loss to explain this crater chain along with several other chain like features observed on Callisto's surface. Fifteen years later, with the discovery of Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9, also known as the "string of pearls" comet, the mystery was solved. Comets whose orbits stray too close to Jupiter are torn apart by the strong gravity. When the individual pieces, strung out along the orbital path of the comet hit an object like Callisto, the sequence of impacts produces a crater chain.

So there you go, and I'm not saying that these scientists are right, but Norval didn't even want to hear about it. I think that when comets or any kind of object is torn apart into thousands or hundreds of thousands or even millions of tiny pieces that it would be very easy to create crater chains.

One purpose of this is to show some how the forum used to be. And really this thread is mild compared to others.

[henners]

Well done Dantheman62, great point and good research.:thumb_yello:

Henry

[Dantheman62]

Thanks henners, but on the other hand could there have been a war in the solar system? Sure I guess but I don't think that crater chains or double impact craters are proof. I think they are natural phenomena that occurred over billions and billions of years.

[taadev]

I did not find those *HOT* post to which you refer; still reeling are you? You should not take things so seriously, it's bad for you; and these are somewhat old posts.

Your two pennies aside, did Norval post any summaries on his interpretation on the Bibles?

What's with all the trolls and attitudes?

(I've been looking, but only finding small references to "read this", as opposed to his references.)
Was he withholding information in this area?


As far as 'scholarly' research is concerned I take that with a grain of salt as too often it's corrupted. Had the ONLY two researchers I've known tell me their data was being cherry picked, not to mention the tons of garbage used by lawyers. Perhaps you did not read about cigaretters, asbestos, and fluoride 'proven' to be safe if not good for you, by 'scholars'?
Hellllooo???

I can't believe you brought this back up! I don't think he was on to anything. It's his version and he wouldn't allow anybody to prove him wrong, or Gale. Here's what I found on the second page but he didn't want to hear it....

What could cause the craters to line up in such a regular fashion? Scientists were at a loss to explain this crater chain along with several other chain like features observed on Callisto's surface. Fifteen years later, with the discovery of Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9, also known as the "string of pearls" comet, the mystery was solved. Comets whose orbits stray too close to Jupiter are torn apart by the strong gravity. When the individual pieces, strung out along the orbital path of the comet hit an object like Callisto, the sequence of impacts produces a crater chain.

So there you go, and I'm not saying that these scientists are right, but Norval didn't even want to hear about it. I think that when comets or any kind of object is torn apart into thousands or hundreds of thousands or even millions of tiny pieces that it would be very easy to create crater chains.

One purpose of this is to show some how the forum used to be. And really this thread is mild compared to others.

[BROOK]

Holy cow....what trolls and attitudes....he just said he disagreed:nono:
http://www.editorialphoto.com/resources/img/simons_holy_cow.jpg

[Dantheman62]

No not still reeling, and trust me I'm probably the least serious person you could ever meet. Yes he had more info on his interpretation of the bible but I'm not sure where it would be. I'm sure it's still here somewhere, I think he had three major threads on the subject.
I agree that those scientists and the info they put out might not be correct but my point was that Norval wouldn't even listen to any alternatives to his.

[Dantheman62]

If you click on search this forum in the upper right corner, then click on advanced search you might be able to search under the username Norval.

[taadev]

Sounds like you and your buds were either in the 1%, or calling him a liar. (I'm no expert although I can see I'd better become one quick.:original:)
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=26417&postcount=17

If Norval said this was proof positive then we'd be in disagreement, but this is decent circumstantial evidence; especially with the symmetry mass/velocity and 6-1-6 pattern. (Start small peak in the middle and then trail off; to an analyst that's a lot of coincidences, but if you re-read you'll see it was never said to be impossible.)
If the impact created pearls what happened to the large one in the middle. A pearl burp?

These usually subtle and indirect methods of attacking in 'pearls of comeNts', to borrow your phrase, with followup 'atta boys' are very, VERY old "team-troll" tactics. Coincidental in this case, I'm SURE.

Serious posters and researchers should learn to recognize 'team-trolling', and ignore them, but don't expect them to 'go away'.

Guess they 'add value' to someone, but to WHOM?

Thanks for the tip on the search option.:winksmiley02:
If you click on search this forum in the upper right corner, then click on advanced search you might be able to search under the username Norval.

[Dantheman62]

Yup I guess I'm in the 1% then, I just didn't like how he wouldn't listen to any other alternative. People who think they're right all the time will steer you wrong evey time. Hey in the end he might be right, or the scientists might be right, I'm not sure we'll ever know and I'm not going to lose any sleep over it either way.
On the other hand I could probably sit down and have a beer with him on his boat, just as long as he didn't bring up the bible. Me and the bible don't see eye to eye!

[dayzero]

Ahh, the good old days. Hmm.

More like;
Recent War in our Solar System With Norval & Gale


hhha haha haaaa!

[Czymra]

Hoho guys. What are you arguing about. The info is there for all to take if they so like. What more can you want?

[Mercuriel]

Norval, Removing who dun it or what dun it. I would respectfully request a discussion about the method employed capable of ever producing what is seen.

Was it atomics from a rapid fire system? Precisely guided rapid fire missile systems? Possibly a pulse fire of some kind of high energy weapon? What is known and agreed upon by most of the research scientists and us is that these craters in these chains happened in very fast sequence, almost simultaneously. There is very little fall back of the ejected material from one crater into the next crater in the chain. Possibly a plasma weapon melted that half circle and river bed like area, we are asking more questions too.

I will posit this as a partial and by no means complete answer as to the possible difference between the Circlularly Centralized - Spider Leg - Pock-mark approached Craters versus the Linear - Somewhat Symetrical - "Crater Chain" - Craters spoken of and shown in this Thread so far...

The "Circularly Centralized - Spider Leg - Pock-mark approached Craters" could be examples of Cluster Bomb concepts We've already seen at use in Warfighting being done here on Earth. The "Pock-marking" would be the steady drop of the "Bomblets" as They march towards the Object to be destroyed. The "Circularly Centralized - Spider Leg" effect could easily be seen as mimicking the effects of say an Ammo Dump or Suppy/Fuel Depot being hit by that Cluster Bomb, and then detonating outwards in a Circular fashion, with Hard Ejecta making scars across the land as the Explosion Cloud radiated outwards.

This could be indicative of a High Altitude Carpet Bomb effort as Norval has already suggested.

The "Linear - Somewhat Symetrical - "Crater Chain" - Craters" could be very powerful Scalar Pulse Weapons in the Twenty to Fifty Megaton Range w/ a likely ability for that to be variable depending on the size of the Ship or Craft firing such a Weapon.

Imagine if You will that You're on an "Attack-Run" - Now see with Your Mind's Eye that as You dive in at speed and then pull up and out of the Dive with "Escape Velocity" - You're aformetioned Weapons would be similar sounding to and operate like - BOOM - BOOM - BOOM - BOOM - BOOM - BOOM - BOOM - BOOM - And now You're pulling up and curving back out into Space at "Escape Velocity".

This would be akin to a "Strafing Run" or perhaps a "Surgical Strike"...

Its My Hope that the above Visuals may help some...

;)

Please understand - I take no position in this Thread in any other way - I'm merely offering Brain Food for Brains...

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[dayzero]

It' because of Antel's post.
Norval's been slagging him off in another forum [notice that he's been banned], so Dan has revived one of the threads that demonstrate some of the bad vibes of the early days.
Am I right, Dan?

I couldn't give a monkeys about wars in space.
IMO it's all part of what StClair rightly calls the 'Phenomenon'

[taadev]

... he might be right, or the scientists might be right....

If you re-read the link above Norvel stated he did speak to scientists and experts "across the board"; your post implied otherwise. (Fyi: Did you know lying via omission is the most widely used disinformation tactic? Yup, it's a known fact that while many ppl lie as readily as others eat, most do not like getting caught. Why leave in tact the ONE constitutional right in place, the suspension of which would allow zeroing in on ALL American terrorists/traitors? (The 5th Amendment and Brain Fingerprints.)

If one believes in ETs is this not a simple deductive reasoning problem?

IF one believes that ETs exist, one must also believe goodies and baddies exist. Is it then such a huge leap they'd have the ability to defend themselves to survive? Is it then also not likely they'd have skirmishes throughout the ages? (If not just take pot shots for practice, or who knows even fun, at some point in history.:wink2:)

Perhaps Norval was not willing to deal with the team-trolling tactics used in these formums.


FWIW: Either a lot of ppl have gone to great time and expense to present evidence ETs exist or they do exist.
It's impossible to know for sure even if they present with bio-tech and hidden tech being what it is.
Mind control could explain the testimonies and simple Hollywood effects the rest.

Having said all that there is only ONE certainty in life, and I'm just playing devils advocate.
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Ppl unable to discern the difference are wasting their time reading or worse being misled; the media plays games that look a lot like those used a/g Norval all the time; it's the oldest trick in the book.

Ron Paul fans got a good lesson on layered meta-communications and media games such as team-trolling across corporate lines. (This time, perhaps, they were trolling for sheep, and the patience of a researcher as is quite common; I'm sure you've noticed. Be careful lest you, accidentally, appear like one of them.)

This, and most popular forums, present an exact duplicate model of the MSM; just minus the visual negative meta-communications. (eye-rolls, facial expressions of foolishness, verbal snickers, 'Oh please', 'don't tell me you believe blah...', etc. etc.)

One very easy method of detecting disinformation are ad-hominem (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem) attacks that avoid the issues/evidence and/or point to unnamed 'scientists' or 'scholars'.

In fact this is a good method of knowing when the opposing argument is likely to have merit,[/B] as evidence is used when it exists.