Goodbye Avalon

[Morphious]

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[Racsouran]

And thus, this forum is centered on making communities possible, so the strange thing i see is that seems they are very sure the worst case scenerio will happen. And, that we will be back to middle age. I don´t think any golden age will come afterwards, i don´t think humans will change for the better, they had never changed after many disasters, world wars, and such, everything went the same.

How sad it sounds, anyway, using my own right to "question authority".

[Antaletriangle]

I presently feel from my heart that the stuffing has been knocked out of the forum-i can't feel any fluidity within it-don't know why-feel the force luke!Strange man.I realise that it was becoming a little chaotic but i feel this is a little too stringent and breaks/compartmentalises issues that need addressing in a fluid and free manner which consequently brings people together to share their experiences on such matters.Before this forum i never had been a part of any other-it seems i had a love affair which lasted two weeks!lol.No worries though i shalll keep my eye on happenings and do my own research as usual-problem is i won't be able to share it as with other people!?
I have come across some really great links to ufo and hermetic stuff also today;a new crop circle series i am unable to post them though for people to appreciate-so frustrating and not right at all.

[mkpetrov]

I have the same opinion, It`s disgusting and ridiculous what it became (And how fast it was. I`ve never seen something like that), all we see is constant blaming and complains why people are posting so much, why they are posting certain things instead of other etc.
"It`s about ground crew"? So this means every other topic is unwanted? Then why are there the other sections? And who sais they must have certain limited number of threads?
Not to mention that they don`t even add many of the requested countries. And you can`t have a good comunity if you don`t have enough things to talk about (Not just about local issues) and to feel comfortable.
I`m really surprised that so meny people pretend to be deep in the matter, but yet they don`t understand simple things and act like non-spiritual people that don`t care/understand the vibration they are creating.

[Rocky_Shorz]

1) We're going to put the Camelot section of the forum on ice. It'll be available on a read-only basis (and there's a LOT to read). All threads will be closed, including the CAMELOT WITNESSES area.

We MAY re-open it at some future point. Nothing will be deleted. But we have to stop the clock and take stock before the Forum becomes dysfunctional.

Well all you have to do is open a conversation referring to threads on Camelot that are on hold.

I'm not sure if any of you have run a forum before, but its an incredible amount of work for just a few people that are working for free. This is the second face lift in only a few weeks, and I like the direction it is going...

I'm not going anywhere and am very glad they re-orged and got it back up as quick as they did.

The last thing I want them to do is stop growing Project Camelot, the interviews are getting better day by day and the info is critical for what is coming for all of us... I'd rather they have time to get the interviews up, than baby sitting a forum...

Avalon is just a great place for discussion and none of us would be talking at all if it wasn't for the effort of Bill, Kerry and all the Mods...:thumb_yello:

[Rocky_Shorz]

and don't feel bad, one of the most important threads I've ever shared was nuked... I never thought it would happen so didn't back it up...

I said what I wanted and it was seen by those who needed it, it served its purpose...

Just words on a screen, there will be more:winksmiley02:

[whitecrow]

Avalon is Fantastic!

Go with the flow a little, Friends...you may find the changes abrupt or even irritating at first, but I for one salute the mods and all the work they're doing in scrambling to keep up!

Imagine this as a big arena or some kind of information mart. Imagine being inundated by data beyond imagining, pulling your mind in a dozen directions at once. Some of the data streams may be a little strident, and others are soft and sweet.

Now imagine being the guy trying to keep track of it all, and make sense of it all.

Bill, Kerry and all the mods: you guys rock!

[awake in alberta]

This is a great site with a clearly stated mission, which I support. I am grateful for the reorganized forum. Membership is a privilege. We are here to share information & time is of the essence.

[Racsouran]

they definitely need to ask for more mods to join to ease the work. If a forum is meant to be huge, that have to be solved quickly.

[Carol]

and don't feel bad, one of the most important threads I've ever shared was nuked... I never thought it would happen so didn't back it up...

I said what I wanted and it was seen by those who needed it, it served its purpose...

Just words on a screen, there will be more:winksmiley02:

Aloha Rocky, all the threads were saved until we could sort them out. Nothing was deleted, just moved on a temporary basis. The info you posted is not lost. Hopefully it will be back shortly. Please let us know which one it was.

Mahalo,

Makani

[Frank Samuel]

Please be patient !!! Clear your thoughts and think about how we can contribute our knowledge, wisdom and help to make this forum better . We are all exposed here . In Preparation mode for the upcoming unpleasant events, be positive lets create a unified heart and share info to help us all survive and win.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

As others will know, I have been building up the corage to share my contacts. (I am a contactee) but now there is no correct forum to do it. I feel the change has gone too far. Shame.

[Carol]

As others will know, I have been building up the corage to share my contacts. (I am a contactee) but now there is no correct forum to do it. I feel the change has gone too far. Shame.

Aloha Eyes Wide Open,

The Camelot Forum will reopen shortly so yes, there will be a place to share. Please don't be discouraged. The change is temporary.

Mahalo,

Makani

[clarkkent]

i want to remain positive and hopefully this is a bump in the road for the forum.

i know that the intent is good, to build a community through these stormy waters.

i just still have many questions about all the PC witness testimony, and the nature of all the ET phenomena.

i hope that avalon doesnt just become a place to talk about survival, there are only so many threads/posts you need to read to understand that we should move to small communities , stock up on food/supplies, and that the economy will collapse and its all due to the illuminati/NWO.

i dont really subscribe to the "just be prepared physically and spiritually" and dont concern yourself with ET's,black ops,etc.

while i agree we should all be prepared in both ways, the fact is we wouldnt have even found project camelot if we werent searching for answers.

and frankly i think there are still lots of questions, especially regarding which factions are telling us to prepare for what amounts to the "end"
you have half the channelers/contactees saying its going to happen and half of them saying there will be NO earth changes, including dan burisch who says states its more likely were out of the woods on that.

we create our own reality so nothing is set in stone. in a world of info and disinfo its hard to distinguish who's telling the truth and whos not, and even who is being manipulated into telling what they think is the truth.

so to head for the hills doesnt seem to be the end all be all answer to anything.

think about whats the BEST way to depopulate a planet? nuclear war? famine? disease?

howabout the one that trumps them all? a consciouss co creation of slate wiping Extinction Level Event? to me this seems to be the most insidious plan of all, to make the people who are "aware" into inadvertenly helping the NWO/illuminati, by focusing on a future where almost no one survives but the few who ran to the hills or were in underground bases.

i find it interesting that the "nordic blondes" are the biggest proponent that this event is 100% going to happen. i find it interesting that the people warning of us of this seem to me to be what amounts to a future version of hitler's "master race"

-has no one else noticed this? why arent future black people or indian people or asians telling us this? why are "nordics" telling us there will be no "ascension" yet crop circles imply that that we WILL-as do some "light beings" other people have been contacted by.

anyhow i hope discussion along these lines will be permitted at avalon and it wont be limited purely to survival threads.

[Operator]

Hi,

I noticed a lot of frustration here ... and perhaps I understand.
But maybe you have to approach this at a different angle ?

I noticed that more and more people were focused on "What's going to happen" and "Fact finding".
I think the difference in essence here is: awareness versus consciousness.

As probably many of you I like to analyze, get to know things and raise my awareness. What I noticed for myself is that negativity
took over and I was almost becoming a fear monger myself ...

If you arrived here you are probably already for a great deal aware of what's going on. That's very good.

But what is now needed most is to become conscious that we need a solution based on OUR good intentions.

You can't fight the system with the facts ... for several reasons:
1. It's come too far to address it 'head on'
2. We should stay away from the way they want to fight

I came to the conclusion that data mining and websites like half past human are so successful because WE are literally filling the internet
with threads and posts about facts, fear, suggestions etc.

Since we are co-creators we are LIKELY to CREATE the discussed outcome !
That's not the intention of Avalon ...

Avalon, the way I understand it, opposes the system by deliberately turn away from the facts/weapons used by the system.
When we choose are own thoughts, creative, cooperative, constructional etc. we are likely to create a better outcome.

An outcome WE choose ...

Instead of raising the awareness further and further it's more important to raise consciousness now.
Fortunately there is a lot discussion going on and many ideas are generated. I sincerely hope that we will not get stuck to that level.
If we don't leave our computers every now and then and really start physical group meetings, do concrete first steps
it will remain at idea level ...

Please stay on board, switch caps and help yourself and others to get this ship (tanker size) on course again !!

[Carol]

George Green is a contactee and did an updated interview today. Please listen.

http://www.projectcamelot.net/audio_interviews.html

Also, Bill and Kerry did an interview over the weekend with Miriam Delicado. They believe this might be the most important interview they've have ever done, and are working to edit and release it as soon as possible.

[dragonfly]

-has no one else noticed this? why arent future black people or indian people or asians telling us this? why are "nordics" telling us there will be no "ascension" yet crop circles imply that that we WILL-as do some "light beings" other people have been contacted by.

anyhow i hope discussion along these lines will be permitted at avalon and it wont be limited purely to survival threads.

Wow! Thanks clarkkent. I have noticed this as well, and have seen no mention of it anywhere. I myself am a halfbreed.

As for George Green's call, I listened and found myself uneasy at the end only, when he said he hasn't been told to flee just yet. He's going to do some more lectures and wake more people up, then run. What's the deal with these guys working so hard to wake so many, and high tailing out of the country? Some support they are!!

[unlimited mind]

Hi,

I noticed a lot of frustration here ... and perhaps I understand.
But maybe you have to approach this at a different angle ?

I noticed that more and more people were focused on "What's going to happen" and "Fact finding".
I think the difference in essence here is: awareness versus consciousness.

As probably many of you I like to analyze, get to know things and raise my awareness. What I noticed for myself is that negativity
took over and I was almost becoming a fear monger myself ...

If you arrived here you are probably already for a great deal aware of what's going on. That's very good.

But what is now needed most is to become conscious that we need a solution based on OUR good intentions.

You can't fight the system with the facts ... for several reasons:
1. It's come too far to address it 'head on'
2. We should stay away from the way they want to fight

I came to the conclusion that data mining and websites like half past human are so successful because WE are literally filling the internet
with threads and posts about facts, fear, suggestions etc.

Since we are co-creators we are LIKELY to CREATE the discussed outcome !
That's not the intention of Avalon ...

Avalon, the way I understand it, opposes the system by deliberately turn away from the facts/weapons used by the system.
When we choose are own thoughts, creative, cooperative, constructional etc. we are likely to create a better outcome.

An outcome WE choose ...

Instead of raising the awareness further and further it's more important to raise consciousness now.
Fortunately there is a lot discussion going on and many ideas are generated. I sincerely hope that we will not get stuck to that level.
If we don't leave our computers every now and then and really start physical group meetings, do concrete first steps
it will remain at idea level ...

Please stay on board, switch caps and help yourself and others to get this ship (tanker size) on course again !!

very well stated. consider yourself hugged! :wub2::wub2::wub2:

[FoxForceFive]

I'm not a feel-good warm fuzzy 'love and light' new ager. I'm here for the nuts and bolts. I want to know what's going on, why is it going on, how can we prepare and what is going to happen. I'm also keenly interested in the ET side of the equation. I hope Avalon can still be a place I can come and feel welcome to participate. Many of us came here through the excellent testimonies brought to Camelot, hopefully the 'fact-finders' in our forum membership won't be squeezed out.

[clarkkent]

As for George Green's call, I listened and found myself uneasy at the end only, when he said he hasn't been told to flee just yet. He's going to do some more lectures and wake more people up, then run. What's the deal with these guys working so hard to wake so many, and high tailing out of the country? Some support they are!!

i dont understand it either, i appreciate the people who spread the message out of love, but at the same time its a fear/survival based idea.
like marcia schafer said "why live for death? ...live for life"

im more inclined to believe contactee's that say something to the effect of "its a possibility" if its only a possibility then why "run for it"...?

[Operator]

As for George Green's call, I listened and found myself uneasy at the end only, when he said he hasn't been told to flee just yet. He's going to do some more lectures and wake more people up, then run. What's the deal with these guys working so hard to wake so many, and high tailing out of the country? Some support they are!!

He/They ??

We are all ONE and should stay away from judging others. Let's focus on how we do ourselves and improve ...

Sorry dragonfly this is not to attack you ... just to indicate how easy our pitfalls are to get trapped in again.

At least George Green is doing the best he can. He's human like all of us. Let's appreciate him just the way he is/does ...

[dragonfly]

I apologize..it is not "he", but there are some, a generalization, and it just really stood out today. Why take such an effort to help and wake us, and then run? I don't get it. I appreciate him, and everybody who offers info. I just want to understand.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

I'm not a feel-good warm fuzzy 'love and light' new ager. I'm here for the nuts and bolts. I want to know what's going on, why is it going on, how can we prepare and what is going to happen. I'm also keenly interested in the ET side of the equation. I hope Avalon can still be a place I can come and feel welcome to participate. Many of us came here through the excellent testimonies brought to Camelot, hopefully the 'fact-finders' in our forum membership won't be squeezed out.


As I said before, although I am contactee, I dont consider myself new age at all. If anything, my experinces have made me MORE nuts & bolts. The quote in bold is very important I feel. It must be balanced. Already, there are far too many members posting things as facts when infact its just some random youtube guy or whatever. We NEED the nuts & bolts people to stay & I fear many will now leave because of the shake up.

[Soul Sequence]

I understand both concepts of Camelot and Avalon and the distinction between the two. And I cant even put into words to thank Bill and Kerry enough for allowing this community to congregate here in this forum. Yes, as I'm sure everyone was, I was too a little disoriented coming from one transition to the other. lol, out of that chaos, seemed I was able to find the information I seeked more easily as ironic as that sounds. But also, I agree, it was getting overwhelmed and from a moderators standpoint.....a nightmare and IMO, Bill and Kerry made the right decision to put the reins on when they did. But, boy, was I lost the last 24 some hours. My point is that Camelot/Avalon would have to be and has topped any forum out their, for its the GLOBAL........(global, that itself is wow for the short time we've been here) community of people and the wealth of information it allowed us to present.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but it is my belief that the Camelot message (raise the awareness) and Avalon message (raise the consciousness) both need to go hand in hand.

Although I would consider us, for the most part "awake" and "aware", there are those that have came across Avalon who are just waking up..........and that is an amazing feat and Bill and Kerry, I would hope are very proud of that. These new souls need to be guided through and what better place to learn than having a CAMELOT section for us to continue to search through the maze of information and present it here and I know its all on a personal level of being ready for AVALON......just as it was to first be awakened for CAMELOT.

I hope we can keep both resources here and as one progresses to the next, our community grows without the limit of turning the newly awakened away to "lower class forums" (and I wont name names) I'd always felt that CAMELOT/AVALON as a natural combination.


Regards and Blessings,
Soul Sequence

[Dantheman62]

As I said before, although I am contactee, I dont consider myself new age at all. If anything, my experinces have made me MORE nuts & bolts. The quote in bold is very important I feel. It must be balanced. Already, there are far too many members posting things as facts when infact its just some random youtube guy or whatever. We NEED the nuts & bolts people to stay & I fear many will now leave because of the shake up.
I agree with you, way to many postings as fact when it's just a youtube special, and I think to many front page news items started in new threads, if I want front page news I'll go to the front page.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

I started a thread for daily updates & articles in the economy section.
Hopefully it will prevent multiple threads apearing all over the place.
I asked for it to be pinned but it has not been. Its up to the mods to spread the word about threads like this if they want the forums to be well ordered & non-confusing.

[arcora]

I'm not so sure I like this new format either.

I very much appreciated the tangents that users went on. So much of this can be confusing - it was invaluable to me to read and post about issues that weren't necessarily the core focus of the forum. It helped me to see the bigger picture and understand others better.

All of my life I have found inspiration for Great Ideas while following tangents. Now I feel stifled.

[motov]

I presently feel from my heart that the stuffing has been knocked out of the forum-i can't feel any fluidity within it-don't know why-feel the force luke!Strange man.I realise that it was becoming a little chaotic but i feel this is a little too stringent and breaks/compartmentalises issues that need addressing in a fluid and free manner which consequently brings people together to share their experiences on such matters.Before this forum i never had been a part of any other-it seems i had a love affair which lasted two weeks!lol.No worries though i shalll keep my eye on happenings and do my own research as usual-problem is i won't be able to share it as with other people!?
I have come across some really great links to ufo and hermetic stuff also today;a new crop circle series i am unable to post them though for people to appreciate-so frustrating and not right at all.
i would love to see what you got in here: http://johnlearsmoon.myfastforum.org/index.php

cheers m8....

[Jamie]

People,

If your intuitive feelings are telling you that this forum is not right for you, then why are you not listening?

Is is that you hope by forcing your will on the rest of the forum you can change this into something that you 'like'?

Go with your feelings people, this forum will be right for some, but not for others.

Stay or Go, it's up to YOU.

Peace

Jay

[arcora]

People,

If your intuitive feelings are telling you that this forum is not right for you, then why are you not listening?

Is is that you hope by forcing your will on the rest of the forum you can change this into something that you 'like'?

Go with your feelings people, this forum will be right for some, but not for others.

Stay or Go, it's up to YOU.

Peace

Jay

I'm happy you like it the way it is Jay.

Thanks for the bum's rush.

I was hoping that by stating my opinion I might be able to inspire change.

[Steve_A]

Hi Morphious,

Actually, this string should be posted in the 'off topic' section. :D

I understand what te Avalon team are trying to do, to get the right objective information from the posters, and keep the direction of the forum moving in the correct way. One must admnit that subjects began to overlap into other subjects and eventually were totally changed into someting else.

I also understand your point of view as sometines a comment or asubject triggers a memory or an idea and I also find that useful.

We must all be pacient and also try and focus our attentions to the subjects in hand. Not wanting to sound turse, but it could be that certain people may be at the wrong forum for their needs.

I'm sure you will understand that the Avalon Forum is new and with anything new has to find its' own legs. Strings like this, albeit course at times, are also important and should be taken into consideration. It could be a good idea to create another section for 'ideas'.

Best regards,

Steve




This forum is not to make people happy or to GROW in numbers. I'm not sure what these people are thinking but it surely is not for "everyone" It was ok the way it was , and now you cant post in alot of the treads that are "cool" or something people want to talk about ....UFO's for instance i mean HELLO more than half of project cam interviews had something to do with UFO's no ?? this is so bad i cant beleave the betrayal i feel. It's like the people ive thought that where out for the "truth" are now the supressers .... unbelievable...just unbelievable..im going to a new forum...better yet ...im going to make a forum slash LIVE CHAT ! where people can get together....laterz....

[2infinityandbeyond]

I presently feel from my heart that the stuffing has been knocked out of the forum-i can't feel any fluidity within it-don't know why-feel the force luke!Strange man.I realise that it was becoming a little chaotic but i feel this is a little too stringent and breaks/compartmentalises issues that need addressing in a fluid and free manner which consequently brings people together to share their experiences on such matters.Before this forum i never had been a part of any other-it seems i had a love affair which lasted two weeks!lol.No worries though i shalll keep my eye on happenings and do my own research as usual-problem is i won't be able to share it as with other people!?
I have come across some really great links to ufo and hermetic stuff also today;a new crop circle series i am unable to post them though for people to appreciate-so frustrating and not right at all.

I have to say that i agree with you 110%.

I know the aim of project avalon is to form communities and to establish a ground crew and i think it was serving that purpose very well before the changes.

It just seems a little bit more formal now and has kind of robbed the forum of the personal touch that it had before.

No offence to Bill and Kerry, im sure they had everyones best intentions in mind when they orchestrated the changes but this is about everyone else as well as it is about their sources.

Ive been researching this field for nearly ten years now and i feel i have enough knowledge to debate even the most credited researchers in the field yet as it is now they have been put on a pedastal and the common man is no longer held in high regard.

I didnt come here to listen to what other people had to say, i came here to discuss their ideas and knowledge whilst sharing mine.

Each persons difference is an expansion onto ourselves.

[edit] - Also, Project camelot was serving quite well as a database for the diamonds in the dirt, if people feel that this forum has to be a one stop shop for all of their research then i think they are being very selfish. There are many places to get information and research knowledge but a forum cannot be this, a forum is about sharing ideas and learning what other people know. Not just the people who have been interviewed by Camelot, there are many more people who may not have their notoriety but still have important stuff to share.

I mean no offence to any of the forum mods when i say this, it is just my opinion.

[Captain Obvious]

Hi jaypierce2008,

I don't like the changes, but I think you're spot on. Good post. :original:

[mkpetrov]

Hi jaypierce2008,

I don't like the changes, but I think you're spot on. Good post. :original:

I think that this is exactly what are the changes/actions about.
"Is is that you hope by forcing your will on the rest of the forum you can change this into something that you 'like'?" - the changes are indeed about that, some people doesn`t want the forum like it is (Was, actually. And it was its natural state. Now is artifical) and want to force their will on the rest of the people.

[mikey]

The negativity on the site now about the new forums is beyond me...we should all be grateful that Camelot and Avalon have come into our lives and we have found them. There are no coincidences. Therefore i suggest stop trying to whinge and complain how things were or should be and start positively engaging and exchanging in the now. If this place isnt for u...so be it..best of luck, love and peace to u but to continuously write thread after thread about how u know of people now confused on this site or how someone is now not returning cos its too ''moderated'' is not what this place is about and quite frankly disrespectful to Bill, Kerry and the workers on here.
There are plenty of other forums on the net to fill needs maybe this one cant for u...:smoke:

No offense intended to anyone

peace

bananaman

[Mike_Jetson]

Its pointless complaining about the team selection until you see how they play

[sirian77]

i'm asking myself why i can't post anymore in the camelot forum section. i was discussing crop circles in that section and now i don't have the right anymore to reply to some posts. can this be changed please? no point in keeping the thread alive when people can't post anymore.:original:

[lightbeing]

Hi,

I noticed a lot of frustration here ... and perhaps I understand.
But maybe you have to approach this at a different angle ?

I noticed that more and more people were focused on "What's going to happen" and "Fact finding".
I think the difference in essence here is: awareness versus consciousness.

As probably many of you I like to analyze, get to know things and raise my awareness. What I noticed for myself is that negativity
took over and I was almost becoming a fear monger myself ...

If you arrived here you are probably already for a great deal aware of what's going on. That's very good.

But what is now needed most is to become conscious that we need a solution based on OUR good intentions.

You can't fight the system with the facts ... for several reasons:
1. It's come too far to address it 'head on'
2. We should stay away from the way they want to fight

I came to the conclusion that data mining and websites like half past human are so successful because WE are literally filling the internet
with threads and posts about facts, fear, suggestions etc.

Since we are co-creators we are LIKELY to CREATE the discussed outcome !
That's not the intention of Avalon ...

Avalon, the way I understand it, opposes the system by deliberately turn away from the facts/weapons used by the system.
When we choose are own thoughts, creative, cooperative, constructional etc. we are likely to create a better outcome.

An outcome WE choose ...

Instead of raising the awareness further and further it's more important to raise consciousness now.
Fortunately there is a lot discussion going on and many ideas are generated. I sincerely hope that we will not get stuck to that level.
If we don't leave our computers every now and then and really start physical group meetings, do concrete first steps
it will remain at idea level ...

Please stay on board, switch caps and help yourself and others to get this ship (tanker size) on course again !!

Very well stated! :original: :wub2:

"Love yourselves. Trust your emerging Knowings!" ~ Archangel Zadkiel

PEACE!
Namaste!

[Steve_G]

Aloha Rocky, all the threads were saved until we could sort them out. Nothing was deleted, just moved on a temporary basis. The info you posted is not lost. Hopefully it will be back shortly. Please let us know which one it was.

Mahalo,

Makani

I've lost threads too guys, but I think some of us are being a little too quick to thrown the baby out with the bathwater. I can't imagine how difficult it must be to try and sort out the thousands of threads into a coherent, navigable structure.

The mods have said that nothing has been deleted, and that everything should be available again soon. They have also said that the Camelot section may re-open soon.

I'm going to wait and see.

Love and blessings to all

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

I'm not a feel-good warm fuzzy 'love and light' new ager. I'm here for the nuts and bolts. I want to know what's going on, why is it going on, how can we prepare and what is going to happen. I'm also keenly interested in the ET side of the equation. I hope Avalon can still be a place I can come and feel welcome to participate. Many of us came here through the excellent testimonies brought to Camelot, hopefully the 'fact-finders' in our forum membership won't be squeezed out. i agree with this. the fuzzy head in the clouds people are great and what have a positive atttitude:thumb_yello: im inot all the esoteric stuff and all the channeling alien stuff, i beleive it all. what most dont get is tho that the system is about to crash spectacularly!! hence (as far as i can gather ) this forum wa screated to get like minded people together to survive the coming chaos.

some people on here seem to think its a talking shop about chrystals, faries, trolls and aliens. if people are upset about not being able to talk about such things then yes fair enough they can "go " somehwere else.

i think people are failing to grasp the severity here. we are about to have no visible means of support. possible food interuptions, energy interuptions, boilogical war, nuclear war, total collpase of the monetary and banking system world wide.

i am not opposing meditation and sitting round in a room full of orgonite:) but we must be practical. i want to meet like minded survivalists who will indeed offer practical help and networking.

spirituality will not feed us physically, praying wont stop neutron radiation poisoning, or biochemical diseses ect.

we need to think practically first and use our spirituality to guide us, now i understand some will want to just sit it out and late fate decide their destiny. i am not one of them. i understand what kerry and bill are trying to do here, MANY OF YOU IT SEEMS DO NOT. you ownt always be sat there with access to the internet or have the freedom to have stuff on you would like to veiw.. the global fascist state is closing in on us and this site is an opportunity to get the ground crew together to possibly join up and help each other wherever we may be.

WHAT HAPPENS NEXT:shocked: IS NOT GOING TO BE SOME WALK IN THE PARK WHERE WE CAN CHOOSE WHAT WE WANT TO DO INSIDE THE CURRENT SYSTEM. WE MUST BE PREPARED AND READY TO GO IT ALONE. SITTING IN YOUR KITCHEN ON THE INTERNET AND DOING ANYTHING YOU HAVE DONE BEFORE IS ALL ABOUT TO END.. DO YOU UNDERSTAND!!!!!!!!!!!!

:trumpet: ty bill and kerry rant over keep the good work going .

[Stephen]

Say...nobody 'Misses' the Project Camelot Section more then I.

I will give this new forum a chance.
Maybe there is something *I* cannot 'see' yet.
It has only been less then a day so far.
A little early to judge now isn't it?

FYI: For those like me that really looks forawrd to ZORGON's POSTS then try here: http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi

EDIT: Opps, I forgot ...This is the Open Minds Forum.
They were the Unofficial Official Project Camelot Forum for quite some time before Avalon fired up.

You will usually find him in the John Lear Section.
Zorgon is a great guy and has a sharp wit.
He has been known to simply disappear in a blink of an eye too...
So I would read his posts while you can...

[Kate]

quote
I started a thread for daily updates & articles in the economy section.
Hopefully it will prevent multiple threads apearing all over the place.
I asked for it to be pinned but it has not been. Its up to the mods to spread the word about threads like this if they want the forums to be well ordered & non-confusing.
quote




Hiya Eyes, regarding the 'pinning' I do believe I got back to you via PM to explain what was happening...?? Everyone ( admin,mods,bill,kerry) have been working around the clock in order to get the new forum ready in time. Please, please can people display some patience here..? For a small handful of people to have achieved this change around in so little time ontop of family life/work/committments etc is incredible!!

I have just had a quick flick through this thread, and it appears to be 50/50 on how people are feeling with the changes. ( obviously, this was anticipated!)
Like ANY comminity, there will NEVER be 100% people who share the same views.

I can only say that the decision was NOT made lightly! I feel that the notice Bill/Kerry posted clarified their stance clearly.

I do hope that over a short time the members here who are not happy, will adjust to the new format and continue to contribute in the high level which was previously displayed.

This is the first opportunity for me to get online today, and view the new layout completely and catch up with postings....
look forward to the future weeks and months ahead as we grow/share in our lovely COMMUNITY!

best wishes to all
kate

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

I have to say that i agree with you 110%.

I know the aim of project avalon is to form communities and to establish a ground crew and i think it was serving that purpose very well before the changes.

It just seems a little bit more formal now and has kind of robbed the forum of the personal touch that it had before.

No offence to Bill and Kerry, im sure they had everyones best intentions in mind when they orchestrated the changes but this is about everyone else as well as it is about their sources.

Ive been researching this field for nearly ten years now and i feel i have enough knowledge to debate even the most credited researchers in the field yet as it is now they have been put on a pedastal and the common man is no longer held in high regard.

I didnt come here to listen to what other people had to say, i came here to discuss their ideas and knowledge whilst sharing mine.

Each persons difference is an expansion onto ourselves.

[edit] - Also, Project camelot was serving quite well as a database for the diamonds in the dirt, if people feel that this forum has to be a one stop shop for all of their research then i think they are being very selfish. There are many places to get information and research knowledge but a forum cannot be this, a forum is about sharing ideas and learning what other people know. Not just the people who have been interviewed by Camelot, there are many more people who may not have their notoriety but still have important stuff to share.

I mean no offence to any of the forum mods when i say this, it is just my opinion.i think again the point is missed here. we are about toi be bulldozed into a fascist state. you have to get a grasp of reality. im beginning to think that most of the people who watched camelot videos have no idea what the new world order is about and what the plans of the elite are.

i like a good chinwag about crop cirlces as good as the next man:original: sadly the way this forum is gong most of you wont make it to meet up with like minded people to discuss these amazing and facsinating subjects if you get distracted by them. it seems quite a lot of you fail to grasp adequetley the scale of what is about to take place on earth. good luck to the dreamers. :yikes:

[Steve_G]

Hi,

Since we are co-creators we are LIKELY to CREATE the discussed outcome !
That's not the intention of Avalon ...

Avalon, the way I understand it, opposes the system by deliberately turn away from the facts/weapons used by the system.
When we choose are own thoughts, creative, cooperative, constructional etc. we are likely to create a better outcome.



Ok, I take your point Operator but from a co-creation point of view which is more powerful: discussions about the POSSIBILITY that something cataclysmic is going to happen or full-blown BELIEF that it will?

Surely the belief that catastrophe IS going to happen is the foundation of Avalon- it IS coming soon so you'd better be prepared? That's not a position I'm willing to take just yet.

I'm not saying that forming ground crews isn't a good idea, but as we have been told by various witnesses the future is not set in stone, and if we think we have the entire picture then we're sadly mistaken.

Isn't accepting that the apocalypse is coming one of the main reasons the Illuminati are trying to bring it about? Self-fulfilling prophecy?

[Anchor]

Seems to me that we have some victim conciousness issues here.

"I" want this "I" want that "I" want to read "I" want "my" old posts.[1]

Let is flow people.

Blockages will be cleared

Breath, relax, let it happen.

Its all good.

Remember - we are amazing - amazing things are going to be done by our intent. Never forget the primary purpose.

A..


--

[1] Hey look, I know I did that one, I never claimed I was perfect - except I know that in aggregate, WE all are :)

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

id be happyt if all non relevant info went on hold.. i like the changes tho. its cuts all the ******** out. this site forum is about survival. when they come for you in your kitchen while your making a tea or coffee and take all your comouters away and then arrest you terrorism charges, what say you then. people need to pull their head out of their asses!!!!!!
SORRY FOR BEING SO BLUNT BUT WHINER AND WHINGERS ARE A HHHHHHUUUUUUGE!!!!! DISRESPECT TO WHAT KERRY AND BILL ARE TRYING TO DO.. EASY TO SEE JUST BY THIS FORUM HOW EASILY HUMAN NATURE CAN BE DIVIDED AND CONQUERED. YES SOMETIMES I CAN SEE HOW THE ELITE MUST LOOK AND LAUGH AT THE STUPIDITY OF HUMANITY. IN THEIR EYES THEY CANT LOSE VERSUS THE DUMB CATTLE.... DO YOU NOT SEE IT??????? PEACE

[storm4ce]

I've lost threads too guys, but I think some of us are being a little too quick to thrown the baby out with the bathwater. I can't imagine how difficult it must be to try and sort out the thousands of threads into a coherent, navigable structure.

The mods have said that nothing has been deleted, and that everything should be available again soon. They have also said that the Camelot section may re-open soon.

I agree with that. But I think that some things are really good only when being let in its own way. The forum was lively before, even though we had many changes in between. Now we have too many changes suddenly visible. This is what I think has made some people feel not good. If the forum is really meant for the everyone, then think why did no one really thought of any change? I think its because things were still easy before the changes. May be the moderators have to think about this when doing further changes.

To make it simple, I feel that the flow has been interrupted and it will take some time for us to get back to normal flow. Just going to wait for some more time, so that things might sort out well.

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

Ok, I take your point Operator but from a co-creation point of view which is more powerful: discussions about the POSSIBILITY that something cataclysmic is going to happen or full-blown BELIEF that it will?

Surely the belief that catastrophe IS going to happen is the foundation of Avalon- it IS coming soon so you'd better be prepared? That's not a position I'm willing to take just yet.

I'm not saying that forming ground crews isn't a good idea, but as we have been told by various witnesses the future is not set in stone, and if we think we have the entire picture then we're sadly mistaken.

Isn't accepting that the apocalypse is coming one of the main reasons the Illuminati are trying to bring it about? Self-fulfilling prophecy? prepare for the worst hope for the best.. my intent and thoughts are good. im also preparing for the practicalties. southern hemisphere dwellers can indeed probably relax a little more. northen hemishpere dwellers are and will be right in the thick of it. the usa will instill martial law and the economy will be toast october 1st. you can prepare how you want it sup to you. i jsut want to meet like minded people who are reliable and wont "loose it" when there is no food , no petrol and no more regualt daily life . MOST PEOPLE ON HERE ARE STILL CLEARLY UNPREPARED FOR ANY COMING EVENTS.:yikes:

[Steve_G]

prepare for the worst hope for the best.. my intent and thoughts are good. im also preparing for the practicalties. southern hemisphere dwellers can indeed probably relax a little more. northen hemishpere dwellers are and will be right in the thick of it. the usa will instill martial law and the economy will be toast october 1st. you can prepare how you want it sup to you. i jsut want to meet like minded people who are reliable and wont "loose it" when there is no food , no petrol and no more regualt daily life . MOST PEOPLE ON HERE ARE STILL CLEARLY UNPREPARED FOR ANY COMING EVENTS.:yikes:

No argument there dude. I'm just trying to remind people that it isn't CERTAIN that there will be a cataclysm. Prepare for the possibility by all means, we'd be daft not to, but don't take it as a certainty. The Law of Attraction has a habit of picking up on things like that.

[2infinityandbeyond]

i think again the point is missed here. we are about toi be bulldozed into a fascist state. you have to get a grasp of reality. im beginning to think that most of the people who watched camelot videos have no idea what the new world order is about and what the plans of the elite are.

i like a good chinwag about crop cirlces as good as the next man:original: sadly the way this forum is gong most of you wont make it to meet up with like minded people to discuss these amazing and facsinating subjects if you get distracted by them. it seems quite a lot of you fail to grasp adequetley the scale of what is about to take place on earth. good luck to the dreamers. :yikes:


The point im stating is that this forum was a place to share ideas.
It is now a place to state ideas. This does not sit well with a lot of people, and i feel this forum will not do as well as it would have done before.

This isnt just about a select few, this should be about enlightening other people too. And if they need to ask questions then so be it, its their right as inteligent rational people.

I'm not concerned about myself, i will be alright. But for those who have just stumbled upon here to find that they are not allowed to ask questions puts this forum up there with every other 'heres the facts now get em down ya' site out there. And that is not what attracted me in the first place.

I was attracted to the openness and the mutual respect for whistleblowers and 'ordinary' (for lack of a better word) people alike.

[mikey]

I'm not a feel-good warm fuzzy 'love and light' new ager. I'm here for the nuts and bolts. I want to know what's going on, why is it going on, how can we prepare and what is going to happen. I'm also keenly interested in the ET side of the equation. I hope Avalon can still be a place I can come and feel welcome to participate. Many of us came here through the excellent testimonies brought to Camelot, hopefully the 'fact-finders' in our forum membership won't be squeezed out.

Surely we must understand the reason for the obvious increase in our recognition of the feel-good warm fuzzy 'love and light' people and that side of things. Surely it is far more complex and innately simple than that.
Everything is integrated and working on different consciousnessly vibrational levels...everything is, and this is scientifically evident.
Light and love increase these vibrations and affect our reality and how we live and respectively what is happening and how we understand what is happening.
Our blue pearl's frequency is increasing and effecting our views on what the nuts and bolts are...why theyre there...and more importantly why are they attached to bigger nuts and bigger bolts...and whay are they attached..etc..Infinity in a finite space (Nassim Haramein)

:wub2: this may just be my fuzzy feel-good side

I do understand the frustration of the new forum layout and restrictions but i think that focussing on the forum that is is more beneficial than what it isnt...

"He who knows others is learned; he who knows himself is wise."
Lao-Tsze


no offense intended to anyone
peace

bananaman

[clarkkent]

No argument there dude. I'm just trying to remind people that it isn't CERTAIN that there will be a cataclysm. Prepare for the possibility by all means, we'd be daft not to, but don't take it as a certainty. The Law of Attraction has a habit of picking up on things like that.

i very much agree. and writing in caps fearful "WAKE UUUUUP!!! type stuff only serves to keep people in survival mode doesnt do much in a positive sense.

i think we can have community establishment and spritual threads and well as "preparedness" threads. i just hope that speculationas to the nature of our world (ET's,black ops etc) wont be extinguished.

-k

[Mark]

Bring back the ufo's - they are part of this reality also, aren't they - it's all relivant...The changes same to do with man/woman power - the mods, then the actually issues.

[Kate]

QUOTE they definitely need to ask for more mods to join to ease the work. If a forum is meant to be huge, that have to be solved quickly. QUOTE





More Moderators WILL be taken on for sure. It is fully recognised that we need ALOT more people on the team of moderators. As I'm sure all of you appreciate, it takes time to build a team of people who will cohesively work together in an effective way.

This is a fledgling community, with MANY extremely different types of personalities.

THERE WILL BE MORE MOD HELP ASAP!
patience is asked of all members in this transition time!!

best wishes to all
kate

[Antaletriangle]

i think again the point is missed here. we are about toi be bulldozed into a fascist state. you have to get a grasp of reality. im beginning to think that most of the people who watched camelot videos have no idea what the new world order is about and what the plans of the elite are.

i like a good chinwag about crop cirlces as good as the next man:original: sadly the way this forum is gong most of you wont make it to meet up with like minded people to discuss these amazing and facsinating subjects if you get distracted by them. it seems quite a lot of you fail to grasp adequetley the scale of what is about to take place on earth. good luck to the dreamers. :yikes:
I'm unsure whether or not this may be addressed to me but i have the opportunity (i think?) to reply?My postings and outlooks aren't all about crop circles and UFO's-they are quite eclectic as has been stated before-i am no dreamer-i have a mum whom i have to look after and is ill and have no safe place to run to-i am a man who thinks he's doing the right thing i thought at the right time in providing source materials for people to see and research themselves.I don't run, i face the music!It's not about this life and the quality of the one you lead...it's how you approach it for the next.Sharing resources such as information on every scale and format that matters is essential in my opinion-alot of gentle people on here already know the craic-but there are some that haven't a clue and it's our job to enlighten them in every conceivable aspect of the agenda-this includes cover ups etc. this is how the dots fit together and make up athe big picture-VOILA and if that's the case and the penny then drops with unaware individuals then i feel i've contributed to someone waking up which allows them their free will to do what they think is necessary with the information they have wakened to for themselves.Bill and Kerry are good people-this isn't about them;i feel priveleged to be a part of this- Although i wish i had been approached earlier about all of my postings-then i would have been able to do other things with my time than try to alert and awaken others.Thanks for the opportunity.

[Tuza]

To A/A. I have always liked your posts about current things going in the UK and the crops circles and stuff, there must be still somewhere you can put them, but anyway you've given me and other people great leads on what is going on and where to look and so on. Thank you for your input. Tuza puts out his paw and gives you a pat. xo

[JohnWdoe]

i agree with this. the fuzzy head in the clouds people are great and what have a positive atttitude:thumb_yello: im inot all the esoteric stuff and all the channeling alien stuff, i beleive it all. what most dont get is tho that the system is about to crash spectacularly!! hence (as far as i can gather ) this forum wa screated to get like minded people together to survive the coming chaos.

some people on here seem to think its a talking shop about chrystals, faries, trolls and aliens. if people are upset about not being able to talk about such things then yes fair enough they can "go " somehwere else.

i think people are failing to grasp the severity here. we are about to have no visible means of support. possible food interuptions, energy interuptions, boilogical war, nuclear war, total collpase of the monetary and banking system world wide.

i am not opposing meditation and sitting round in a room full of orgonite:) but we must be practical. i want to meet like minded survivalists who will indeed offer practical help and networking.

spirituality will not feed us physically, praying wont stop neutron radiation poisoning, or biochemical diseses ect.

we need to think practically first and use our spirituality to guide us, now i understand some will want to just sit it out and late fate decide their destiny. i am not one of them. i understand what kerry and bill are trying to do here, MANY OF YOU IT SEEMS DO NOT. you ownt always be sat there with access to the internet or have the freedom to have stuff on you would like to veiw.. the global fascist state is closing in on us and this site is an opportunity to get the ground crew together to possibly join up and help each other wherever we may be.

WHAT HAPPENS NEXT:shocked: IS NOT GOING TO BE SOME WALK IN THE PARK WHERE WE CAN CHOOSE WHAT WE WANT TO DO INSIDE THE CURRENT SYSTEM. WE MUST BE PREPARED AND READY TO GO IT ALONE. SITTING IN YOUR KITCHEN ON THE INTERNET AND DOING ANYTHING YOU HAVE DONE BEFORE IS ALL ABOUT TO END.. DO YOU UNDERSTAND!!!!!!!!!!!!

:trumpet: ty bill and kerry rant over keep the good work going .

The greatest lesson man can learn is to understand he is mortal.

*edit

I really do understand your words here well also looking at the concerns of others and realize words are just words. Action is something entirely of its own accord.

Many lightseekers feel the need to escape suffering to retreat to a place eluding pain, but still it exists and always will exist.
Our fear our hate is all to frighting to many - as is love but the course and action of surviving lyes not in any word but mans fear and love to be better.

What would life be without pain suffering and confusion? it simply would not be us... I respect and admire the courage to embrace the spirit but when mankind begins to forget who and what it is we lose all sense of reality.

Many people good heartedly have left reality in a pursuit of infinite wisdom and connection with a higher life force, this force preachs harmony and love well ignoring everything that is scary and ulitmately human... Some have called it evolution but i simply call it leaving mortality.

Mortality my friend... is the hardest open ended perception one can acquire, in our last breaths we acquire that essence of mortality as its our last sense to feel and be here and now, maybe then we humanity see its design and faultline.

Humans are Humans... We all are one yes... but we all die.

Sorry for my Philosophical ramble but its a concept man can only wish to master - himself - Philosophy.

[Tuza]

I heard you but please dont shout, I get enough of that from the man of the house - I am a firm believer in when your time is up your time is up And, if something happens that I see someone who is in terrible pain I have that covered too - including my family. I will have no hesitation in helping them pass over as quickly as possible rather than see them suffering if I cannot help them in any way. I do live in the hills, but if things get dire I will have no hesitation in taking that step off fast and helping others if they want to - I don't believe in religious dogma judgment.

[PodWORLD]

Maybe the social groups section is somewhere for crop circle groups and ufo groups etc.

I was on last night and it was kinda spooky. Large gaps between posts etc.

The thing is I didnt start watching camelot to survive. I watched to learn.
It would be pointless for me to pretend I'm a hunter gatherer preparing for
some Armageddon.

I want to find out more about UFO's, Ancient texts and other subjects.

I love the forum and I had no problem with it as I don't need to read every post or thread but the problem wasn't the threads it was the people constantly pming mods and B&K about it wasn't it?

I look forward to the Camelot section being reopened and I concur that
great thanks be extended to Bill and Kerry and all the mods for their hard
work and efforts.

I'm happy to be patient.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Aloha Rocky, all the threads were saved until we could sort them out. Nothing was deleted, just moved on a temporary basis. The info you posted is not lost. Hopefully it will be back shortly. Please let us know which one it was.

Mahalo,

Makani

Hi Carol, it was in Henry's area...

turned down a job...

I would love if you could recover it...:biggrin2:

[Bigfatfurrytexan]

More Moderators WILL be taken on for sure. It is fully recognised that we need ALOT more people on the team of moderators. As I'm sure all of you appreciate, it takes time to build a team of people who will cohesively work together in an effective way.

This is a fledgling community, with MANY extremely different types of personalities.

THERE WILL BE MORE MOD HELP ASAP!
patience is asked of all members in this transition time!!

best wishes to all
kate


success is determined by the ability to remain fluid and quickly adaptive.

Your customer base here is making requests. That is a good place to start. The Mod help is not so tough of a fix. You have a solid membership here....organize and tap into the resources you have.

[Bigfatfurrytexan]

Where are the threads from Johns area?

[Rocky_Shorz]

after reading everyone's posts, I think the simplest solution for keeping everyone happy is just to add a UFO section next to Visions of Future...

[Sky Otter]

well
it is sad to see folks who are unhappy and for that reason i think
you should have a un-register button on the user cp..
it might lower your numbers but it might also make them feel better that they can slam the door..

just a thought

personally i still think there is so much here i don't know how anyone can get thur it..

breath deep
think kindly

D::flowers2:

[Sherab]

Hi,

I noticed a lot of frustration here ... and perhaps I understand.
But maybe you have to approach this at a different angle ?

I noticed that more and more people were focused on "What's going to happen" and "Fact finding".
I think the difference in essence here is: awareness versus consciousness.

As probably many of you I like to analyze, get to know things and raise my awareness. What I noticed for myself is that negativity
took over and I was almost becoming a fear monger myself ...

If you arrived here you are probably already for a great deal aware of what's going on. That's very good.

But what is now needed most is to become conscious that we need a solution based on OUR good intentions.

You can't fight the system with the facts ... for several reasons:
1. It's come too far to address it 'head on'
2. We should stay away from the way they want to fight

I came to the conclusion that data mining and websites like half past human are so successful because WE are literally filling the internet
with threads and posts about facts, fear, suggestions etc.

Since we are co-creators we are LIKELY to CREATE the discussed outcome !
That's not the intention of Avalon ...

Avalon, the way I understand it, opposes the system by deliberately turn away from the facts/weapons used by the system.
When we choose are own thoughts, creative, cooperative, constructional etc. we are likely to create a better outcome.

An outcome WE choose ...

Instead of raising the awareness further and further it's more important to raise consciousness now.
Fortunately there is a lot discussion going on and many ideas are generated. I sincerely hope that we will not get stuck to that level.
If we don't leave our computers every now and then and really start physical group meetings, do concrete first steps
it will remain at idea level ...

Please stay on board, switch caps and help yourself and others to get this ship (tanker size) on course again !!


This is the best post I have read on the forum. What is the point of knowing a bunch of facts if we're just going to run around perpetuating the same greed and prejudice that started this whole mess?

Even if the grid does go down, and we all have to go primitive, if we aren't able to love our neighbor as ourselves, we're just going to carry the same crap into our new communities, and eventually we will come down the same road to the same destination.

[mikey]

Seems to me that we have some victim conciousness issues here.

"I" want this "I" want that "I" want to read "I" want "my" old posts.[1]

Let is flow people.

Blockages will be cleared

Breath, relax, let it happen.

Its all good.

Remember - we are amazing - amazing things are going to be done by our intent. Never forget the primary purpose.

A..


--

[1] Hey look, I know I did that one, I never claimed I was perfect - except I know that in aggregate, WE all are :)

Absolutely...:thumb_yello:

Your vision will become clear only when you look into your heart. Who looks outside, dreams. Who looks inside, awakens. Carl Jung

peace
bananaman

[Norval]

I have to admit it was a hell of a shake up here on the forum. Sorting and moving threads
is a big job, and at times it has to be done. Give these folks a break that are trying to do
what they see is right for "their" forum. The analogy of their house, their rules, is a good
one.

Some of us, that were deeply involved in some threads that are no longer available, have
others to answer to that wanted that information. It would have been much easier to do it
in the threads. Yeppers, more work all the way around. It also derailed many trains of
thought. Personally I think it was a bad call to do it the way it was done, but hind sight is
perfect. Time will tell what happens now.

[bill7907]

It's not a question to be asked, we need the Project Camelot to be opened and to be able to write in it.
All this Inside information is all related to Extraterrestrials and Extremely advanced technology, so if you close that section, what else do we have to talk about on this forum? Economy ?

If you don't want us to post in the "Witness Area", then you should put that section on a "Read-Only" Basis, but not the other sections.

[historycircus]

No, this forum is not to make people happy, or to grow the like minded in numbers. It is a place where those who have heard, understood, agree/disagree with the info out there can come to find like souls to connect with - either for debate, or comfort.

I am a skeptical dude. I don't "believe," in the conventional sense of the word, two thirds of what I have heard on Camelot, PrisonPlanet, Nutrimedical, etc. But, if that other one third (insert your opinion/research based fraction here) IS true, then we, as individuals and as a species have a whole helluva' lot to think about. And when we're done thinking about it, then we plan for potentialities. Thus the ****ing point behind Project Avalon.

Look folks, I am NOT a squishy "new ager." In the words of Shooter Jennings, "Scientology don't make much sense to me." I don't believe that I can think my problems away. But, I recognize, as an empiricist, that something is incredibly wrong with the world at large. This is the only place that I know of that I can SAY SO, maybe get shot down, but in the end, have people contact me privately who think along the same lines, and want to help me do something about it.

If you don't like Avalon, don't come here anymore. Or, better yet, just don't post anything. But I beg you to keep reading. Don't let one bad experience keep you from understanding where we come from. Or, let a couple of days go by, then come back, and see if anyone wants, or cares, to keep the bad stuff alive. Chances are "no" will be the answer.

Dude, I am the site's super-skeptic, but only a truly controlled buffoon turns on the TV these days and doesn't say, "man, something is really wrong." No matter the negative feedback you get here, just know that some of us share your frustration. What I have learned from others on this site is that frustration - and anger - are fine. What we do with it is what counts in the end, or, if you are so inclined, the end of this phase of our being.

I have come to accept that many of my views are unpopular here, and that is fine. But, I have learned that if you really mean well for your fellow men and women, it works out. You are here, which speaks volumes about your soul in the first place, so cool off for a while.

Come back, put your good mind on, and figure out with the rest of us how we are going to survive as a species. That is all we are doing. We would not be here if we did not want to make it to the other side of what is coming.

Lose your sense of betrayal in a new sense: discovery. Don't leave. You are here for a reason; figure out what that is.

The HistoryCircus - because history is full of clowns.

This forum is not to make people happy or to GROW in numbers. I'm not sure what these people are thinking but it surely is not for "everyone" It was ok the way it was , and now you cant post in alot of the treads that are "cool" or something people want to talk about ....UFO's for instance i mean HELLO more than half of project cam interviews had something to do with UFO's no ?? this is so bad i cant beleave the betrayal i feel. It's like the people ive thought that where out for the "truth" are now the supressers .... unbelievable...just unbelievable..im going to a new forum...better yet ...im going to make a forum slash LIVE CHAT ! where people can get together....laterz....

[Shellie]

I really think the changes have done a great deal towards getting this forum under control. Face it, it was exploding into a mess!

But I would like to suggest to those thinking of quitting that they should stick around a little longer. We are here to get information and to help ourselves and each other. How are we helping if we are ready to abandon each other the very moment something happens we don't like or can't control? I have begun to think that perhaps the ground crew isn't a collection of little isolated communities that survive Whatever, but just a community of people truly willing to "stick it out" while "sticking together". I think this is our first test. The situation of Whatever will do all the weeding out and condensing for us.

[Carol]

I really think the changes have done a great deal towards getting this forum under control. Face it, it was exploding into a mess!

But I would like to suggest to those thinking of quitting that they should stick around a little longer. We are here to get information and to help ourselves and each other. How are we helping if we are ready to abandon each other the very moment something happens we don't like or can't control? I have begun to think that perhaps the ground crew isn't a collection of little isolated communities that survive Whatever, but just a community of people truly willing to "stick it out" while "sticking together". I think this is our first test. The situation of Whatever will do all the weeding out and condensing for us.

Nicely stated 99. :thumb_yello:

[MartyMcFailure]

We Americans have been bamboozled since we were kids in school into feeling superior to the world because of our "Liberty" and "Freedom". As long as we have the three ring circus intact we r docile and total denial of the fascist/nazi coup right in our face.

we always go on and on about or f---ing rights but what about our RESPONSIBILITIES???


KERRY AND BILL SHOULD HAVE CARTE BLANCHE TO DELETE AND CLEAN UP WHATEVER THEY WANT ON THIS SITE... they are trying to help people get connected and organize because in a matter of weeks and months all the **** we've been reading about and watching interviews about is gonna happen. its happening now.. Go to ATS if u wanna talk whats not fair and blah blah.. come to Avalon if you want to be part of the solution period. COME ON GUYS LETS POLICE THIS FORUM OURSELVES... LETS TAKE RESPONSIBILITY.. IF YOUR NOT WITH US THEN FOR GODS SAKE GET OUT OF THE WAY

[Bill Ryan]

Hi, Guys:

I thought I should reply here to amend the spelling of 'Avalon'! :original:

But seriously: I've read all of your posts. Many thanks for all your views.

Although the changes were unanimously agreed by all the moderators in a long audio meeting that we held on Sunday, the suggestion for the changes came first from myself.

I felt it very strongly. I owe it to you to explain a little more why.

I'm also happy to answer direct questions here and get into a dialog. I ask for your patience if I'm not able to reply immediately. Kerry and I are absolutely swamped with stuff. You may have no idea. We were each doing the job of two people before and now we're doing the job of four. :biggrin2:

The first thing I want to say is that I hope that we are wrong about all our concerns for the next few weeks and months. If we are, then we can all go relax for a little and get back to talking about things that happened a while back, like 9/11. It's fun to do that. (No sarcasm. It really is.)

My PERSONAL view, though, is that while 9/11 is interesting - rather like watching a good thriller movie for the second or third time - it's not important for the here and now. Inside Job. It makes absolutely no difference whether the planes were real or holograms. I don't even care how it was all done. It's WHY it was done that's important. And we all already know the answer to that.

Case closed. Apart from one or two details which don't matter.

In my personal opinion, a number of other cases are closed as well. These are the issues which in my view are facts - and while interesting, debate is kinda just for fun:

UFOs are real.
ETs are real.
ETs come from different planets and different times.
ETs have different agendas.
Some ETs are benevolent, and some see us as a resource to be exploited.
Some ETs have 'helped' the human race evolve biologically.
The US military (and probably the military of other countries) have highly advanced technology that may be beyond what we can imagine.
There is human and ET activity on the Moon.
There is human and ET activity on Mars.
Mind control is a reality.
Abductions are a reality.
Free energy is a reality.
Antigravity is a reality.
Time travel is a reality.
Contactee experiences are real.
Some channeling is real.

What does that leave us to talk about?

Here are some suggestions:

What's the future of the human race?
What might the ETs (and the Illuminati / our governments) have secretly planned for us?
What do they still know that is not being told about possible and probable future events - either planned, foreseen, or both?
What are the most probable future timelines?
How can we as individual, aware people respond to current events?
Can we influence events?
Can we influence timelines?
What might really be happening in the next few weeks and months?
Are we collectively smart enough to stay ahead of the curve?
How can we organize?
How much time do we have?
Can we really envision or create the future that we want?
What are the real risks or threats, and how do we recognize them?

These issues above are what The Project Avalon Forum is for. There's plenty to talk about. :original:

Very best to all, Bill

[clarkkent]

yaayy bill !

that means iys still in the ballpark to debate why there hasnt been a good explanation to why our future selves (p52 orions in burisch speak) or "nordics" "nordic blondes" are all blonde haired and blue eyed (no blacks,asians,latinos in the future?)

your right i feel the same about 9-11 the "how" isnt that compelling and we pretty much know "why" so case closed.

but this "nordic" issue is important to me because for the life of me i cant get over that the illuminati/nazi's WANT us to be blonde haired blue eyed. AND everyone the nordics seem to talk to happens to be swiss (close enough to german) or at least white.

and why would they come back intime to prevent the course that created them? wouldnt they want to faccilitate it? burisch stated that we might be out of the woods as well as james gillilands crew says their contacts say "no earth changes"......

another question...why didnt the Nordics comeback in time FIRST? why was it the 26000 future "greys"?

couldnt it be that they are indeed "bio-slaves" and that they- NOT the nordics -came back intime to prevent the nordics from being the master race.

arent the greys and nordics infact EXACTLY what the NWO has in mind? a split in our genetics to a "beautiful enlightened master race" and a lowly slave worker class?

couldnt this nordic intervention be the ultimate deception, to use positive teachings but to make sure we consciously co create earth changes to depopulate the planet? isnt that more effective than nukes or a disease?

just my thoughts...
any others?

thanks again bill
-kyle

[MMe M]

It is censorship, it is ruled more stringently than alternative lifestyles sites that at least have peer reporting for abuse. Its ridiculous. Its sad. Its dead. Lifeless. There should be more catagories and a limit of posts per thread. Peoples enthusiam went wild but naturally would have tapered off. Now I feel certain it has diminished altogether.

I loved it, spent many many hours here chasing peoples thoughts, links, arguments, discussions. I was in heaven. Oh my gosh, I thought I knew many alt sites and theories and was so wrong! My staple sites and ideas didn’t even scratch the surface!!! I learn far more from my mistakes than I ever did from a success. Now no one can make a mistake, ITS NOT ALLOWED!!

And do forgive me if im wrong, but how many people go a day without a cuss word in their life? I didn’t think I was signing up for the moral majority, I thought this was going to be a place to tell each other the truth as each individual saw fit. We were bound to argue. Some were destined to clash, as many here are strong personalities but we are adults. Adults do not need such strict moderation. Just add a report for abuse clicky and let the moderators decide on a course of action if a certain number is reached. The way it is now is like kindergarten recess being taken away. Stupid. Not conducive to free flowing thought and ideas.

Some people seem negative in their responses downright hostile sometimes, but if you close your eyes and focus on the individual behind the words you can usually see a different story. Some seem angelic but the opposite can be and often is the case. Try this sometime when you are reading what feels like a hostile or mean persons post or an angelic one for that mater. See what you envision about the soul or life essence behind the words. I know you will be surprised.


Bill and Kerry,
This place was once a verdant green haven, welcome to diversity as all of us are. Now it feels a desolate dry desert, devoid of the life and vibrancy with which it once had. Is this what you wanted?

[Martian Tigress]

1) I am here because I find this interesting. I watch and I wait, because I have nothing but time-- I am a many-times-incarnated being, and I remember both where I came from and where I am going. Patience is the mother of wisdom.

2) I understand the thinking on both sides, and both sides have valid points to make-- the forum was getting tangled, and on the other side, I have to say that I do not think that pruning everything down to a 'prudent-catastrophe-ground-crew' point of view serves the diverse soul-purposes of those who are awakening. Personally, I trust my own spirit-guides/energies/contacts way more than I trust, say, George Green's, but I do find it useful to listen to what people have to say even if I don't agree with their assessment of things. I also think that my view of things is every bit as valid as Mr. Green's-- there is no one on this planet whose opinions are inherently 'worth more' than anyone else's. We are all here together, and we are all related.

3) I find the tendency towards labeling fellow forum-members ('fuzzy-headed new-ager', 'paranoid survivalist') both ridiculous and demeaning. No one should be forced to live in a box of someone else's making. We are all Sovereign Individual Entities and we all share this moment in Space-Time for very deep reasons that are utterly beyond labels.

4) I am a shaman who is in her right place and is already doing her work (directly with the consciousness of the planet). Part of that work is to be in support of others who are already working or who are 'on the cusp' of doing the kind of work that I do. The whole planet is my 'radiant zone', and I will settle for nothing less than the welfare of Her entire Being. I hope that there will continue to be a place on this forum for those of us who are 'already plugged in'.

Peace,

Martian Tigress

[MMe M]

QUOTE they definitely need to ask for more mods to join to ease the work. If a forum is meant to be huge, that have to be solved quickly. QUOTE





More Moderators WILL be taken on for sure. It is fully recognised that we need ALOT more people on the team of moderators. As I'm sure all of you appreciate, it takes time to build a team of people who will cohesively work together in an effective way.

This is a fledgling community, with MANY extremely different types of personalities.



THERE WILL BE MORE MOD HELP ASAP!
patience is asked of all members in this transition time!!

best wishes to all
kate




No actually you don’t need allot more moderators, you need a better system. Peer review sorts out the problem areas, You make the call after the majority has spoken with a clicky. Its all very civilized and lacking the Gestapo style forum feel.

[historycircus]

I have felt that way about the 9/11 stuff for a long time now - who cares if it was holograms, well placed thermite pineapples, etc.? Whatever the means, the motive/results remain the same - its the in-between that keeps those of the right mind bickering. For those who lost loved ones, however, I do in fact understand - and do not wish to diminish thier noble goal of finding the truth. I wish them peace.

So now that the death of "Ava"o"lon" thread can die a well deserved death, I challenge you, Bill, to discuss/debate the following, in a new thread if you deem it worthy:

How are we, everyday Joes and Janes, most of us without degrees in the sciences, to really make an impact on the pre-emptive formation of these "radiant zones"? I have read a lot of thread material from the well intentioned, but not the well prepared. My big fear (although I have read much from those who believe fear is bad, I still can't help myself - maybe "sorrowful concern" would be the proper semantics) is that even those who come here to Avalon, read the threads and so forth, and still won't be prepared for the collapse of the global system. Some place their faith in precious metals, while others think that when it gets ugly, they won't have to deal with it in this - our physical reality - at all.

From your perspective, from what you have seen and heard, and read through the human art of reading "body language," what do you personally think the GC needs to do to be prepared? How are you preparing (I'm not asking for the address)? Why do you think it is important to prepare now - in this reality/density/etc. - versus later? What is your vision for our future as a species.

Thanks,

Mike

[Bill Ryan]

Hi, MMeM:

My guess is that your post crossed with mine just above yours... it looks like you may have spent a while writing it.

I understand your feelings. The energy was a whirlwind. It was like a party getting into full swing (just before things start getting broken).

The problem was that it was getting out of control. We were receiving private messages from people complaining and saying they were leaving because they could no longer find things.

There were too many off-topic posts. They were INTERESTING, and LEGITIMATE DEBATING TOPICS - but just did not belong here by any stretch of definition. I don't want to single anyone out with examples. But you'll get what I mean.

Do you still agree with what you wrote - having read my post above? (If you've not read it, please do.)

No censorship. Just direction.

We WOULD like to re-open the Camelot Forum. But we just don't have enough mods to handle it. All the mods on board signed up for Avalon, not Camelot. We still don't have enough people to do what we're doing right now. Some of the mods are staying up all night - unpaid. Several of us are really exhausted. (No drama: it's true.)

If you don't know what it's like to run a forum, then try it sometime! (I had no clue. This is the first forum Kerry or I have ever run.)

Your post was pretty hard, but honest, and I'd be happy to answer questions.

I'm also happy to answer Kyle's Qs above (Clark Kent) - but they are too hard! :biggrin2:

Seriously, I will try. Give me a short while. :original:

Very best wishes, Bill

[Norval]

awww geeeee, I thought I was doing that, I have to agree with Bill on most of that
though.

This is not to rehash of what we all really know and accept, but to develop good
and ready responses for what seems to be coming our way. :thumb_yello:

[clarkkent]

right on bill :) and many thanks to those others behind the scenes that need some rest ! ;)

muchas gracias!!!!!

-kyle

[Bill Ryan]

How are we, everyday Joes and Janes, most of us without degrees in the sciences, to really make an impact on the pre-emptive formation of these "radiant zones"? I have read a lot of thread material from the well intentioned, but not the well prepared. My big fear (although I have read much from those who believe fear is bad, I still can't help myself - maybe "sorrowful concern" would be the proper semantics) is that even those who come here to Avalon, read the threads and so forth, and still won't be prepared for the collapse of the global system. Some place their faith in precious metals, while others think that when it gets ugly, they won't have to deal with it in this - our physical reality - at all.

From your perspective, from what you have seen and heard, and read through the human art of reading "body language," what do you personally think the GC needs to do to be prepared? How are you preparing (I'm not asking for the address)? Why do you think it is important to prepare now - in this reality/density/etc. - versus later? What is your vision for our future as a species.


Hi there, Mike:

I appreciate your excellent questions. I have no formulaic answers. This is why we started the Forum: to address exactly these issues... between us. Others may be able to help (in practical terms) more than we can. Our goal was to bring people together.

"If you build it, they will come."

We'd not really thought of what would happen when they got here! :original:

We're just about to publish the Miriam Delicado interview. Speaking personally (subjectively!), it's one of the most powerful interviews I've ever seen. The first few minutes - the preview clips at the beginning - blow me away each time I sit down to watch it.

Not everyone will feel the same way, of course, but for me it had special significance. Youll see why pretty soon. There'll be plenty to discuss there, too.

For some people on this Forum, it may be the most powerful and important video they have ever seen.

My personal plans: I'll be returning to Switzerland after our trip to the NEXUS conference in Australia in early October. At that point, I'll take stock. If I stay in Switzerland (and Kerry and I have often talked about what happens when "the music stops") - there could be many worse places to be.

Kerry plans to stay in Sedona... in the Four Corners area which Miriam recommends. She too will take stock in a few weeks' time.

Very best wishes, Bill

[clarkkent]

cant wait for the video!!! (maybe itll answer some of my nordic questions..)

:)

-kyle

[mikey]

Thank you for the update Bill and indeed very much looking forward to the new interview.
Much love to u and Kerry and all the mods and people behind the scenes who are working here....ur intentions are wrapped in love and i know i am not the only one who feels it. Again unconditional gratitude to u all :thumb_yello:

peace
bananaman

[MMe M]

Hi, MMeM:

My guess is that your post crossed with mine just above yours... it looks like you may have spent a while writing it.

I understand your feelings. The energy was a whirlwind. It was like a party getting into full swing (just before things start getting broken).

The problem was that it was getting out of control. We were receiving private messages from people complaining and saying they were leaving because they could no longer find things.

There were too many off-topic posts. They were INTERESTING, and LEGITIMATE DEBATING TOPICS - but just did not belong here by any stretch of definition. I don't want to single anyone out with examples. But you'll get what I mean.

Do you still agree with what you wrote - having read my post above? (If you've not read it, please do.)

No censorship. Just direction.

We WOULD like to re-open the Camelot Forum. But we just don't have enough mods to handle it. All the mods on board signed up for Avalon, not Camelot. We still don't have enough people to do what we're doing right now. Some of the mods are staying up all night - unpaid. Several of us are really exhausted. (No drama: it's true.)

If you don't know what it's like to run a forum, then try it sometime! (I had no clue. This is the first forum Kerry or I have ever run.)

Your post was pretty hard, but honest, and I'd be happy to answer questions.

I'm also happy to answer Kyle's Qs above (Clark Kent) - but they are too hard! :biggrin2:

Seriously, I will try. Give me a short while. :original:

Very best wishes, Bill


It did take me forever to write it as it was a harsh criticism. I’m at ease with words, deadly actually and live a million regrets once said or typed but If I have been polite and just, I feel I must speak. I try to not take the lowest common path, but I must be truthful at the same time. I nearly wrote a thread similar in nature but changed my mind. This person did in my stead. Its why my signature is the quote that it is. A reminder to me to not use both barrels, so to speak.

Moderation is usually simple. People will eventually tire of being ignored, or they sicken of the gang/group mentality attack and move on. Just teach people to report for abuse, beat them over the head with it. There are differing opinions everywhere here. Currently there is one stating that a post was wrong in nature and not what the forum was about. Actually, there are two schools of thought regarding the post. Both have a right to express an opinion. Neither should be labeled "not Avalon worthy" as that in itself is negative and elitist. Elitist mentality is why we have the issues we do in the world today.

The change was severe in nature. Yes, there were huge amounts of material needing sorted but it would have tapered off. This you know. A party was a perfect analogy. There was more but I will leave it at that.

I meant no judgment on your efforts, which are monumental. We are all eternally grateful.

[MartyMcFailure]

whens that interview gonna be up bill? soon i hope

[Mike_Jetson]

Im gagging for this interview! :)))

[Kate]

after reading everyone's posts, I think the simplest solution for keeping everyone happy is just to add a UFO section next to Visions of Future...

hi Rocky.
just to let you know that i have discussed this request to add a UFO section, however, at this present time it is strongly felt we need to concentrate on urgent issues regarding ground crew and preparations .. refer to following..
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=1021

As and when the opportunity to open up the camelot forum happens then people will be able to add their UFO info ...
I do appreciate your frustration.
All that the team can do is ask for peoples acceptance that certain changes HAD to be made...if not, the whole project could have been in jeapordy!

best wishes
kate

[utopiated]

Am I the only one who is TOTALLY lost and confused by what's going on here??

I get an email from another member about a long post I contributed to a thread about J.L. Walson footage and secret space fleets and so I come back to read any feedback and it's gone...

I've read the announcements but maybe i'm a bit slow. I haven't followed what was a supposed hack or accidental delete and what has been removed for a "tidy process". I'm just annoyed as I wish I'd saved the long post I wrote... it took a fair bit of time, something we're all short of at the moment.

I thought the forum was growing organically and pretty well. It's done so very fast - but that just reflects the state of play at the moment I think.

[Gale]

at this present time it is strongly felt we need to concentrate on urgent issues regarding ground crew and preparations

I agree, preparedness is the most important right now.

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

I guess one angle is that we want a majority of good people out there that don't know what is going on to wake up right?

Well, I try, and do get through to some extent, but then they ask for 'proof', I see it as a way for 'us' to articulate to 'them' via "proof". Show them docos, definately, and the Camelot docos are like true disclosure to me, and showing these type of interviews to others up to a point then requires more discussion... yeah I know there are 'other' sites for that, yet none as sincere and with a loving intent as this one.

I hear you about the time moderating forums like the Camelot one, and that one is a doozy, it is evolution of the 'mysteries' type forums, a really refreshing one where the real people are asked the real questions about everything W.D.K (We Don't know).

and anyway you said you were going to put it back on anyway, so we'll just wait. But please don't delete any of the threads, they rock.

(just a side thought, I was thinking perhaps you have been warned off from pursuing some of the rather 'top secret' and 'national security' issues on that forum, that make watergate look like a Finding Nemo movie :tongue2:)

Love everything

Z

[Jacqui D]

I admit i have felt a little dispondent since the change of the forum, as was said before this forum has now become a chat on survival.
I realise how the state of the nations are right now and we should be looking towards making things more safe for ourselves and our famlies but i'm not sure all this re colonisation idea will even work,
An earlier thread i wrote touched on this, i said that the cycle of this survival agenda will focus on leaders second in commands and so on again, we will end up no better than we are today being in someone else's control.

I was under the impliction that this forum was for like minded people who are all having experiences of spiritual,psychic and et exposure.

If the site is going to be about survival only how much can one say

[BenZadok]

Bill and Kerry (and Avalon) have felt like a beacon of light in a dark place.

I wonder that, because of this, some are beginning to put them (including the moderators) in the place of being their Source. I find that it easy for me to do this as well.

I find that if I have a deep, viseral, critical reaction to what another thinks or says, or does, that such a moment is a mirror to me as to who I am ultimately looking to as my Source.

I grew up in what I call a very "man-centered religion". My concern is that Avalon is susceptible to morphing into this slowly over time, with Bill and Kerry being esteemed as the "pastors", the moderators as the "deacons", and Avalon Forum as the "church".

I ask Bill and Kerry and the moderators to consider the possibility if the exhaustion comes, at least in part, from allowing the pressure of a few, who want you to be their "Source", to subtly seep into your consciousness.

It is not an either/or when I try to discern my motives in a matter. It is fuzzy terrain. I understand that there is a season to everything. A season to work your @#% off, and a season to refrain from all such activity. It is a clarity that can only be discerned within each.

I want you (Bill, Kerry, and the moderators) to know that if you back away from putting so many hours into the Avalon Forum, so that a consequence is that emails are left unanswered, that key world events are left unexposed, that the profound insights of others are left incognito, that the forum starts to unravel, I want you to know that that is OK with me. Sure, I could be disappointed at times, but it does not touch my Source who is peace, who is light, who is my teacher, who is my guide.

I think that the victim mentality, that pervades this culture (that wants someone to rescue them, pushing away personal responsibility), can readily filter into places like the Avalon Forum. Why? Because people are people. We are all in process.

I can recall times in my path where my heart dependence was more towards people than my Source. It takes a long time to shift, especially if one was "hammered" when young. And even now, if I am not centered in the One who is Completeness and Love and Peace, I can readily shift back to that misplaced dependency.

Part of love is to not let others look to you as a source. Let us feel the growth pains, even if we complain, whine, or express "righteous indignation". The Source knows how to deal with our tyrades (sp?).

I am sad that the moderators are working through the night. My desire is that they sleep well every night.

With Love.

[Debugged]

MMe M, you are an eloquent writer, and I applaud your honesty. I could not have said it better. I've stayed away, because I am disenchanted with the amount of steadfast control that has taken over this place. An entire board was shut down, that was in the midst of developing into a lively group of unique friends supporting one another, and sharing similar experiences. I miss it. I preferred it to the doom and gloom of Avalon.

How many sections really need to be devoted to preparing for doom and gloom that might not happen? I believe that expending that much energy on such darkness only energizes it into becoming reality. I also am getting weary and wary of experiencers whose agenda is to get out the message of absolute doom and destruction of the planet. Who is to say that they are not participants in some huge psyop to rob humanity of it's natural powers of creation? If we are focused on being helpless and hopeless all the time, the demonic ones can suck us dry of our energy, and then they overpower us. I seriously refuse to give in to that mindset, and don't buy into the gloomy agenda.

Why not discuss ways in which we as humans, can positively influence the planet and thwart such a gloomy future? (see Dan Burish's site, or David Wilcock's) Why not discuss ways that we can expose the negative plans and their creators, and possibly stop disasters from happening? What about planning times where we can get together, and pray/meditate in the methods that suit us as individuals, on world peace, healing the planet, etc? What about adding members'/family/friends' names (with their permission first)for long-distance healing? I'm already involved in a group that does this, and I think that the more groups around the net that do this, the stronger the intentions would be, and the better the results would be. On this other board, total free speech is allowed...colorful language and all. No ad hominem attacks, mind manners...that's about it. It works. Nobody much minds if things get off topic; it happens.

[angelite]

This site has been the best thing that could happen for me because it helped me to connect to others out there like me and I could not be happier.
I had no idea how we would ever be able to make these connections so we could get our core groups together and build the communities we came to built.
It is all about being of service to others not service to self and for me this has bought it all together. Thank you!!!!

[Carol]

Each person brings who they are to the forums. Bill and Kerry are adventurers going forth gathering information to share with everyone else so that folks can take that info and make it work for them in how they see fit.

Camelot is the place for gathering knowledge, discusing it and digesting it.

Avalon are for the folks ready to take the next step which is to move forward toward becoming creators, pioneers for this new frontier.

I am sitting listening to an expert talking about how oil is now down to a 2 percent oil reserve. If everyone topped out their gas tanks today, a third would not be able to get any gas. The fuel isn't there. Next is the whole financial issue with banks failing and Wall Street wanting us, the taxpayer, to financially bail them out and leaving Main street holding the bag. The reality of what is going on in our world is exceptionally serious.

Doom? Gloom? Let's face it. Reality sucks. Our way of life is in the process of undergoing a major change. Unfortunately, some folks will choose to go into the roll of victim as compared to the role of the activist.

Each person has a choice about how they are going to respond to these changes. The next crisis will make the price of oil go up even more. People will need motor scooters or electric bicycles, electric cars, etc.

The next thing is we don't know how bad this is going to affect the infra structure. No oil, no gas, no trucks to move food. The more folks are into the self-reliance mode the better off they will be. The message from Miriam was to grow your own food to be self-sufficient. The task folks need to focus on is SELF-SUFFICIENCY. Avalon is about self-sufficiency. A kitchen garden is what is going to keep folks alive. Knowing the basics, like our ancestors did, is what is needed now.

[Carol]

I was under the impliction that this forum was for like minded people who are all having experiences of spiritual,psychic and et exposure.

If the site is going to be about survival only how much can one say

The spiritual, psychic is also exceptionally valuable. Do you remote view so to communicate with someone else in another location? We used to teach folks how to do this and did it ourselves. It works. Do you use your psyhic intuition to tune into the weather, futher events, health of loved ones. These are also valuable skills. Take the initiative and start a few threads on which of these is of interest to you. :thumb_yello:

[RSF]

The spiritual, psychic is also exceptionally valuable. Do you remote view so to communicate with someone else in another location? We used to teach folks how to do this and did it ourselves. It works. Do you use your psyhic intuition to tune into the weather, futher events, health of loved ones. These are also valuable skills. Take the initiative and start a few threads on which of these is of interest to you. :thumb_yello:

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Hi,
You used to teach people how to remote-view. I'd like to learn the basics of how that was done, Carol ?

Prior to this read I felt it was horse-shut but mayhap's there's more to remote viewing principles/reality than I had thought. Please elaborate?
Thank You,
RSF

[Carol]

There are several members on some of the other Avalon sub-forums who are already giving lessons.

Here is one member's link to his thead. http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=3921

If you do a search you should easily find the others.

I did learn this at University when studying transpersonal psychology and later taught it to my students in Jr. College. I think you will be both surprised and delighted as you move into this area of knowledge.

[Morphious]

i request this post be deleated :

[RSF]

looked up the post, Carol. Wish I could say I was impressed but mayhaps I should have, as you mentioned looked-up others.
Frankly, I don't understand this thread "Goo bye Avalon" ?

Gosh, don't some of these people already realize after reading PC just how important our proprietors are and their great insight and hard dedicated work done to spell out some really important stuff.
Look at what's come down upon the US economy, but I read about it months ago from interviews done on PC.

RSF

I'm whining -- yuk--yuk--yuk !