Benjamin Fulford

[SirKnight]

Bill: Yesterday, you reported on Project Camelot that the scheduled phone contact with Benjamin Fulford was cancelled but that he was concerned about some upcoming events. Have you heard anymore about this?:yikes:

[DoctorWho]

This is from Benjamin's website, most likely posted after the canceled interview.
http://benjaminfulford.com/secretgoverment.html
Bill "the Doctor"

[Aware_Belgium]

well if free energy emerges, that would be a good thing. I plee for a natural-decay of human numbers, so be it by "one-child-per-family" so be it by platonic shifting

you know all the pple stating that "one-child-a-family" is barbaric? I laugh at them and say "ye you prob prefer war and nukes, or a natural-planet phenomenon instead *wink"

the one child is "not good" but it beats all the other options by far.

cheers

[CONDE]

This is from Benjamin's website, most likely posted after the canceled interview.
http://benjaminfulford.com/secretgoverment.html
Bill "the Doctor"


Thanks Dr. Who ! great news ...:smoke:

[Myplanet2]

That article has been on Benjamin's site for a few months now. It's not recent.

[Kate]

WELL WELL, this could be promising news!! maybe the tide will turn in our favour sooner than we think?? thanks Dr Who for the latest... keep us posted!!

[DoctorWho]

That article has been on Benjamin's site for a few months now. It's not recent.

I wasn't sure as there wasn't a date on it. It was listed near the top of the list on his site, so I thought I was recent. So I guess maybe something in this scenario has changed.
Bill "the Doctor"

[SirKnight]

Your correct, the link to Benjamin Fulford site was an old link at least 6 months old. The last several talks that Benjamin has given seemed more like he was not as sure of himself or what was going on as he has been in the past. Has anyone taken notice to this?

:cheers:

[Kerry Cassidy]

This is from Benjamin's website, most likely posted after the canceled interview.
http://benjaminfulford.com/secretgoverment.html
Bill "the Doctor"

That's a really old article of Ben's from a year or two ago.. and his intel at the time was wrong.. We have asked him to date his articles but unfortunately he has not done so!

Kerry

[MartyMcFailure]

i think now would be a good time for his ninja friends to assassinate the secret masters of the world

[Tankfarmer]

Greetings,

The latest Benjamin Fulford interview is on You Tube "Benjamin Fulford on Alex Jones - August 22 2008." There is some new information, but most is a rehash of earlier information.

[Olam]

I was wondering how you got that article.....in english!
I have been checking out his Japanese blog for a couple months now and have to use a online translator to read the stuff:annoyed_h4h:
here is the link:
http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/benjaminfulford/

[Myplanet2]

I was wondering how you got that article.....in english!
I have been checking out his Japanese blog for a couple months now and have to use a online translator to read the stuff:annoyed_h4h:
here is the link:
http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/benjaminfulford/

Try this one.

http://benjaminfulford.com/indexEnglish.html

[Bill Ryan]

I was wondering how you got that article.....in english!
I have been checking out his Japanese blog for a couple months now and have to use a online translator to read the stuff:annoyed_h4h:
here is the link:
http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/benjaminfulford/

Try this...

http://benjaminfulford.com/indexEnglish.html

But as Kerry pointed out, his articles are undated, so you need to think hard before assuming that any are recent! I don't THINK there have been any new English-language additions on that page for a while.

Very best, Bill

[Olam]

Well thats where I found the japanese blog, if you look up on the left hand side, those have the dates written (japanese) and he writes often.The thing is, some of the blogs are relevant to Japan but not much more. The main english page that you point to only has "outdated" stuff.

[Bill Ryan]

Hi, Folks:

We've just recorded (8 pm US Pacific time, Saturday 6 Sept) a half hour phone interview with Benjamin.

We called him on his phone and to his credit he was prepared to talk to us on record on the spot.

We're about to edit it (overtalk, noise, volume) and will post it within 24 hours, linking to it here and on Camelot.

The information was essentially what he reported here (http://www.rense.com/general83/warm.htm) in his written article on Rense.com, rounded out with his personal opinions, concerns and analysis.

(If Rense.com is still down, the article is also available here (http://eldib.wordpress.com/2008/08/28/us-war-mongering-in-georgia-a-negotiation-tactic-as-us-bankruptcy-looms/).)

He also told us he will to an audio interview with Jeff Rense on 8 September. We did not learn what the 8 September date was all about and apart from apologizing for not going through with the interview the other night, and stating that he had to think things through very carefully, he did not explain exactly what had occurred.

Very best to all, Bill

[Bill Ryan]

Copy of e-mail just sent to Benjamin Fulford:

**********

Hi, Benjamin -

Thanks so much for being willing to go on record with your concerns and analysis on the spot. We’re editing the recording now and will post it within hours.

The YouTube video you referenced: it’s a little hard to know how reliable the information is. There is much dramatic stating of stark facts, with apparent confidence. But it’s hard to know what’s documented and what’s opinion (or invented!) - or just pulled off other parts of the net and assumed to be fact.

Anyone who says they know exactly what is happening... doesn’t.

Essentially, this is propaganda. The purpose is to create drama and fear. The video maker is also very staunchly biblical, and has created other videos in similar vein.

BUT:

We were recently contacted privately by someone who had a friend who was a security guard at an underground facility close to and associated with the new superhighway being built from Mexico to Canada. Part of that facility is in the public domain, but part of it is not.

The security guard took our contact to a part of the facility where he showed him hundreds (or maybe thousands) of brand new German and Russian military vehicles - largely personnel carriers. He was not able to explain what they both witnessed there (and neither are we).

This was dated in 1997 or 98. We believe this report to be credible but have not published it - there was simply not enough information for it to be useful.

AND (as you probably know):

The camps are real. We have met and talked with George Green, who was asked to build one in Las Vegas. (He refused: it was built anyway, by another contractor.)

The information about the red lists and blue lists sounds like something that has been going round the internet virally. We don’t know the original source. It’s one of those things that came from one person and was then copied so many times that it seemed as if it’s coming from “everywhere” and “everyone knows it”. Actually, it could be spurious. A lot of information like this is.

[We have to say we’re dubious about the 20 Air Force Generals being murdered - and the Madam Wu information - because that has also gone viral on sites like Rumor Mill News and Fourwinds10.com. However, if you were (also) told this by your NSA and CIA sources, then we will listen VERY carefully.]

The problem is extracting the signals from the noise. There’s a lot of noise! But the apparent signals form a pattern. There’s a lot of data clustering.

Statistically, it sure looks like there’s real ground for concern. Kerry and I are both very concerned indeed and we’re not trying to blow anything off. Our own sources are saying things totally consistent with the “problem in October” scenario.

Do please let us know what you learn and tell us if anything is off record - we will honor that.

Warmest wishes as always -

Bill and Kerry


***********

The video Benjaimn referenced was this one (http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=9j3mu5mFrPQ). We are NOT recommending that people watch it or believe it. We just state it here for the record so that readers can understand my considered comments above in response. My strong personal view is that videos like this are irresponsible and add very litle to informed debate.

[Zero Point]

i think now would be a good time for his ninja friends to assassinate the secret masters of the world

Seconded!

But I doubt it would change anything... There will always be a heir to the throne!

[Peace4Gaia]

Thanks for the update Bill!

I agree about the video, not sure why it's in question here, but this is just one more of many such videos all over the internet, just more fear-mongering. So sad to think there are folks out there who really believe this stuff! But I suppose they'd say the same about me! :lmao:

Anyway, looking forward to the audio.

[Bill Ryan]

Last night's Benjamin Fulford telephone interview (see above) has been edited and is available here (http://projectcamelot.org/audio_interviews.html).

* While we're at it, a transcript of our conversation with George Green two days ago is available here (http://projectcamelot.org/george_green_2_sept_2008.html) - already. Kudos to our transcription team: we weren't even aware that anyone had been working on it until it was done! (The best possible definition of delegation :original: )

[Undooz]

Hello Bill,
Very much appreciate you and Kerry reaching Benjamin and getting the phone interview up so quickly.

The rapid flux of changes he speaks of and word of the various factions slugging it out behind the scenes is fascinating.

These are all good bits to keep an eye on and tie in with other elements we're getting!

[Avid]

Thank you Bill and Kerry for this amazing interview.:)
Let's hope the dark side loses this one.
I do think he is out of sync with the Blackwater group, as there are so many UN militia for - er - 'camp' duty.
Blackwater are the Neocons/Zionists bodyguards then?

I have posted your link far and wide as usual!

[Great Lakes]

I agree with Marty. If he has the influence that he claims, then why wouldn't they act now rather than wait for something terrible to happen?

[SirKnight]

Here Here to the transcription team for their ability to get this information up so fast. The more information we all have, the faster we can get this out to everyone so that we can all make the necessary choices in our lives.

It is truely a shame that we have allowed our media to get so out of touch with reality. I know it is all part of the plan but, if we have to, we can go down swinging.

Keep looking to the Universe for individual and planetary guidance.

:lightsabre:

[lohiaaditya]

I listened to the interview and I must say that things are getting really confusing and you dont really know what is going to happen. I mean I really cannot imagine a bunch of people preparing for something for so long and then all of sudden opting out, well if they did it would be cool. But let me act the bad guy. For example, if this conflict or drama or whatever doesnt happen now, who will control the world? the same people right? well then they will still have all the technologies and probably plan something similar at a later date. How does it make any sense? I mean you are just delaying the inevitable in a certain way. I am definately not for war but by delaying it all you are doing is putting the burden on the next generation. Unless everything comes clean I dont want it to be delayed because you will face the same situation again and how many times will you avoid it.

[Event_Horizon]

I agree with your sentiments. However I can't see anything NOT happening pre-election. Battern down the hatches friends.

Peace

[towhom]

I doubt that the control is in the hands of the originators.

Peace and Joy
Always

Sally Anne

[seekntruth]

There do seem to be similarities between what Benjamin and George have been told by their sources. But as Bill has said, it's hard to separate the facts from the noise. I really believe that a lot of the noise is deliberate misinformation.

You know, one thing that I try to keep in mind is the concept that the members of the "world management team" has had MANY centuries to think of everything. Every contingency has been considered and dissected down to the smallest degree. They are not about failing, they are not about quitting, unless they are routed out completely. But that doesn't necessarily mean that something violent must happen. Humanity could collectively decide that we no longer accept being manipulated by these people.

These people are religious fanactics in their own way. But, their religion is the worship of Lucifer. And, these people were given control (or the knowledge to be able to control mass populations) by "neighbors" from elsewhere. Their given task by those overlords is to maintain control of the population through whatever means is necessary. They are also supposed to control the availability of critical resources that the "neighbors" require when they ultimately return to Earth.

So, with that in mind, the "world management team" has a job to do, and they believe they have a higher authority giving them the right to do that job.

The question is this... is humanity mature enough to realise this situation and collectively decide to choose a different future than the one the "team" and the visitors have chosen for us?

Time will tell!

Vance

[Event_Horizon]

I agree....the more I think I think about this, the more I believe we won't make it to the election.

Some serious stuff coming our way.


I have had some theories over the last couple of years in the run up to Nov 08. Because of people waking up to their lies the "Elite" would be hard pressed to commit another 9/11 scale attack. Simply for the fact. I don't think people would buy into it, and secondly one or two attacks are easy, well easier to de-bunk because everyones attention and resources are aimed at them. We have to assume these "Enlightened ones" have learned from the last 7 years since 9/11.

However a series of much smaller scale flase flag "Terrorist" attacks spread perhaps across the country or even including American targets abroad will service their dark needs. Rather than being made for the media, (giving the camera crews time to show up before the second plane hit) like 9/11 may infact target media outlets leading to a news blackout, or a power blackout.

This would from their point of view serve the martial law goal as they would be required to step in to bring order to the situation. If there are bombs going off in the local petrol stations, suicide bombs in the malls shootings in local government buildings, schools of what is called small town America (no disrespect intended, I couldn't think of a better term) people, well the uninformed are going to be crying out for the troops to be deployed. People that are scared are all to willing to give up their rights. And by the time its all over and people realise they have bought a lie it will be too late.

So as for False Flag a fast high intensity strike like 9/11 no, but a series of small scale attacks all over the place that last over time period of serveral hours, even days... In my humble opinion this could be what happens. Belsan or the Moscow theater happening in America is a nightmare I have had since I really started thinking about what would happen next.

Aside from this my other thoughts on the matter are that they may infact "break" a terrorist ring, or stop an attack in progress. Perhaps against the "election" process. I think this would happen closer to the election because of course the enemy "Hate our freedoms" and would try and "stop our democratic process". This is a less intensity false flag but it does allow them to spread the "Bush was right" lie and let him leave office vindicated, and of course McCain would take the torch from him. It seems as if American Presidents are crowned with a major "event" so this could be McCain's.

Really it depends how desperate these people are. If Ben Fulford is correct then the nationwide attacks might be the path they choose. If he is wrong, I still think something will happen.

Peace.

[christopherthomson]

I find Benjamin Fulford deeply puzzling, and not in a good way. I do not understand his motives, particularly when he says things that seem completely in the realm of fantasist, such as stuff about ninjas. On one level, I could understand these things, but the way in which he presents them makes no sense to me. Why be so frank about connections that sound so crazy to the average person? Why not just stick to the information that they have produced?

What I find unsettling is that I have no way of placing him. What does he believe in? What principles does he stand for? I understand his sphere of influence (I was extremely impressed that he was in a position to interview David Rockefeller Snr, if not so impressed with the interview) and I do not doubt that he has insider knowledge, but why should we listen to him? What is his motivation for what he does? How can I trust him if I do not know what he stands for?

Do any others ask themselves these questions? From the articles I read, and interviews I have heard, he does not seem to have a clear (positive) motive. For myself, he just comes across as a little fish trying to play with the sharks.

Am I wrong?

[Myplanet2]

I think Benjamin is pretty easy to read.

He really deeply cares about people. That's his primary motivation. One of his videos had him on the verge of tears when he was talking about the PTB plans at population reduction.

But I also detect what others observe. Embellishment for the purposes of adding emphasis, and credibility, which has much the obvious effect. A bit of Ego, perhaps?

He seems to have some connections, but seems to like to see himself as having more, and more influence, too.

overall, I believe he's a positive. His credibility will continue to suffer, though, if he doesn't stop embellishing his reports.

I'd like to see him stick more to what he does know from personal connections and interactions, and less reporting on stuff he's read on the net, like the rest of us.

[Baggywrinkle]

Two unfolding events which focus on Mr Fulford's September 8th date:

Detroit's big three are seeking government handouts

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080907041331.w5v4edpo&show_article=1

and the Freddie/Fannie takeover

http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/0908/p01s01-usec.html

The failure of Freddie/Fannie has the capacity to bring down the
entire global financial system.

[christopherthomson]

His credibility will continue to suffer, though, if he doesn't stop embellishing his reports.

That is why I find him hard to read. Why embellish if the information is sound?

[Myra]

i think now would be a good time for his ninja friends to assassinate the secret masters of the world

I totally agree.

[Chaordic Simplexity]

the control mongers are so organized and stacked with power and resources, yet the spiritual people lack any kind of togetherness....most of us are just living our silly little dramas with our "important" family and loved ones. ugh.

And then the powerful spiritual people dont seem to care....the world is meaningless to them and theyre just dealing with cloud nine issues and getting outta here. I met one who could see right thru these disinfo clowns like nothing. But are we organized enough to take advantage of our powers? Its frustrating ay?

Why do we put up with the lies...when we should easily have a team of psychics reading right thru the lies. They could just see the lies in their aura or whatever. But instead we bumble around frantically digging thru mountains of chaos.

Just wish we were being more creative and wise with our range of assests. Of course the Cabal doesnt have moral rules like we do.

Hmm, i just dont know lol

[Hiram]

well if free energy emerges, that would be a good thing. I plee for a natural-decay of human numbers, so be it by "one-child-per-family" so be it by platonic shifting

you know all the pple stating that "one-child-a-family" is barbaric? I laugh at them and say "ye you prob prefer war and nukes, or a natural-planet phenomenon instead *wink"

the one child is "not good" but it beats all the other options by far.

cheers I like your level of thinking, but there are some other factors that should be considered. If we limited all couples in the world to a one child policy we would have to make some other serious changes to the structures of society.

There are serious drawbacks and socialization issues that come from being an only child. I have always been partial to Plato's model of all children being raised together by the community and no one knowing who their specific biological parents were. This ensures adaquate care for ALL children and being raised in large numbers ensures proper socialization...ie alturistic vs hedonistic traits are well balanced.

To put it bluntly my friend, though good for the planet, I have never met an only child that did not have some serious issues to work out as a result of it and I'm sure many here would agree with me (including only children).

[ewald]

connecting a dot...

As Kerry and Bill asked it correctly towards the end of the interview: but what about the bigger plan, the overall world plan? It is not about the US, or the puppets in washington.

BF said that the bancrupty of the US might be postponed, even avoided by a HUGE SPACE PROGRAM. For what? To do what?

connect this with the ongoing buzz about a FAKE ALIEN INVASION and this starts to make sense on a global scale.

Fake alien invasion units the world against them, US releases info on secret tehcnology and needs money to get the production going.

venciremos.

[Realview]

My 2 cents are as follows -

1. If what Fulford has claimed in the past regarding the Chinese Tongs and assassins is true. It seems, at least on the surface, very unfortunate that he would have given up the element of surprise by trying to negotiate with people who are clearly beyond any hope of reason. In that regard he either committed a great mistake, or he did so deliberately as the agent of the Illuminati. As I recall, he references an elite in the USA as the target of elimination when the major influences are in Europe, particularly Rome. Now, Fulford is talking about these people as beyond reason, when, a year ago he was sure they would listen. Why the Chinese Tong would be waiting for Fulford to give the go ahead is beyond me. Several recent earthquakes in China may be intimidation tactics along these lines.

2. I think Fulford is pointing out that there is no single faction in complete control. Even the "Illuminati (Jesuits and Bloodline Rich) " are not able to act in absolute authority. The cutthroat nature of the Illuminati seems to have imbalanced itself. Other resistance has clearly grown which I credit superficially to the internet but really to the internal increases in consciousness taking place throughout the world and beyond by the mercy of the Supreme Being. The pot is being stirred by mercy. Nothing is done without love, even the perversions of the "Bad Guys" is really a perversion of an impulse of love.

3. It is the nature of this world that good things come indirectly from those with the strongest worldly motives and whose karma has positioned them appropriately. Those with the strongest greed (attachment to inert objects) and infatuations (attachments to living things and ideas) often end up doing harsh things resulting indirectly in good results. The Supreme Being is all merciful and entirely in charge. Spirits attachments, to the temporary worlds of matter, are being broken down. More and more people will be faced with truths about this plane and its nature of lies and deceptions. It is deplorable that owning nothing and here temporarily, people are still so eager to defend it. Interest in where they really are, why they are here, where home is, who the Creator really is, and how to get home is slowly on the rise, though many shocks and jolts will be necessary to free them from the illusions of mind and ideas and images. Sincerity and humility will lead to begging of the Supreme Being for the Supreme Being himself, thus breaking the bonds of ego and the ignorance perpetrated upon them, for their ultimate good, by the Devil and his agents. Today, almost everyone begs only for object of matter belonging to the Devil; eventually the spirits will abandon such folly, asking only to know the highest love who is their true source and father. Spirits have been compelled to come here by their imperfections. Those conditions, after countless live are nearly eliminated. Some, more than others. But countless lifetimes of false attachments and deceptions need to also be broken down.

[Chaordic Simplexity]

He was right 1 child policy isnt a good thing. A 0 child policy would be good!!! Many here are discussing very dire things possibly coming right around the corner. Any sane intelligent race would stop having kids..and stop thinking of themselves and come from a worldcentric view.

How is restricting child bearing rights barbaric if having children will be much worse. Whats barbaric is being selfish and only thinking about yourself and "oh but kids are so cute, woosie woo." lol Awww dook at da diddtle baby...yea ...you so big..soooo big.

Plato was right.. the selfish ownership and click/gangs, i mean families is all part of the separation problem.

Families took away my right to go out and find my own piece of land. So their right to have babies is more important than my rights to not be imprisoned on this planet.

[ForsakenFalcon]

Reguarding the Population decreass I think nature's been personaly on the assult for awhile.

Allready People are naturealy haveing less kids then what our grandparents were breeding at the rate of rabbits, Then there is a hell of alot more People whom simplely can not have kids be it the male sperms is bad or the females eggs, then natural disaster's and more sickness/diesea's world wide, and the well to save arguement's I wont claime there is more now then 10-20 year's ago but the mass increas of homosexuals has played a small role in it due to the natureal aspect of You need both Sex's to reproduce (No im not saying gays dont have a right to children just technicaly nature doesn't alloued them to breed with there prevered sex)

All in all We dont want people to simplely "Die" but We realy do need a decreass and so I'm just going to wait it out for the next few years and see if nature want's Me here or not.

Main thing I am worried about though is the state of the othere spiece's =/ if WW3 does happen or some desaster on a world scale I hope some factions out there has allready made plans to make sure We don't make the truely innocent suffer greatly by makeing them exstinked.

I don't buy into the whole "Animals don't have soul's" My experience with so many different spieces and indervidal personalitys has taught Me otherewise, I wounder if they to will experience some form of Spiritual Awakening?

[StClair]

Dear Bill & Kerry

SUGGESTION

Can we invite Ben here to explain things and to answer to some questions?

I have studied now the figures he quotes , the amounts in gold etc., and I think I am pretty certain his sources are impossibly wrong on some of the figures. That is the minimum comment I have. But if that is wrong, then how does the rest stack up?

For the UN to move to China is not impossible, but I think UN will as such be disbanded by 2020. If not before, and replaced by something more in tune with the emerging realities on the grand COSMIC Chess Board.

Anyway. Can we invite him here to explain things better. Why? because it is important he knows we are very interested, and we just wish to understand the logic his sources operate with.

he can take our questions back to the sources. Also who are these sources really? OK i feel this at this point a legitimate question if his reputation is to survive.

I was given similar info in 2003, but put it on the back burner, because something did not ring right to my own knowing.

Peace
M StC.

[bajaboy]

I am completely convinced this guy is a fraud. All of what he mentions can be obtained by any dilligent truther through the internet. Gaping generalizations and his tendancy to agree when confronted on ideas and statements lead me to think there is much to question??? Prove me wrong.

[Free-UFO-Videos]

I like Benjamin Fulford.
We have things in common.

1.
I'm Australian and learned to speak Japanese.

2.
I have lived in communist China.

3.
I know all about SGI (Sokka Gakkai International)

4.
I have lived in Japan twice.

5.
I have experience with Yakuza.

6.
I enjoy studying intelligence data.

7.
I care about people and ecology.


Benjamin gives me a smile.
But also I know he has studied a lot
and has some good serious information.
And has had amazing interviews!

Robert O. Dean once said about the shadow government ...
"no one knows who the heck these people are".
and .........
"there's a bunch of Pros back there working on all this".

So Benjamin has to be careful with his intel and future reports.
Because with the way he was getting up and out,
people will start playing with him.
Occult powers know it's better to make him look like a fool
than to kill him.

Benjamin would do well, to get into the forum here at Project Avalon.

P.S.
Here is my recent email letter to Benjamin ...



Hi Benjamin. Hajimema****e.

I've studied intelligence data for 15 years, and documentaries for 30 years.

I've studied your YouTube videos, and Project Camelot.
Thank you very much for sharing that information.

I've studied NDE's, Mediums, Agencies, Shadow Govt,
Astronomy, and the UFO/ET matters.
I've had death threats and two of our websites got hacked.

This was one of the hacked websites ...

http://groups.google.com/group/aliens-ufos-videos-best-evidence/files

I'm not afraid of their threats, and I just restored that site
and then made three more copies of the files and videos for other websites.

I'm English/Australian and learned the Japanese language too.
I have lived in Communist China.
Sometimes I have a beer and chat in alien and ufo UseNet NewsGroups with the nick name SIR GILLIGAN HORRY.
(sometimes funny, sometimes serious)

I will get straight to the point,
here is some serious intelligence data that you will enjoy ...........


1.
"Dan Akroyd speaks about his encounter with the Men in Black. The same afternoon he was told that his paranormal show with Dr Steven Greer and Stephen Bassett was canceled."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3kAuNSI31w

2.
This best intel I have found in 15 years mentions about the MIBs and Occult Powers and the "Third Party"

QUOTE: "That is precisely what those who manipulate you behind the scenes want to avoid at all cost because, by dividing, they reign! They also reign over those who govern you. Their strength comes from their capacity to distillate mistrust and fear into you."

http://www.metatech.org/contact_extraterrestrials_intervention.html

3.
QUOTE: ... One such witness, an Army Ranger involved with special ops stated to me "You have no idea how many people including prominent military and political figures we have abducted and terrified so that they will learn to hate the ET presence and support conflict with them"

http://www.disclosureproject.org/exopoliticsorxenopolitics.htm

4.
QUOTE: "He was saying it’s in my head and it had to be unlocked, and that I belong to the Government."

http://www.anw.com/ML/lecture.htm

5.
You talk about Chinese Subs coming up next to USNavy.
But actually the USA and Europe at the very highest levels
spend black budget hundreds of billions on anti-gravity and other sciences that make Star Trek seem like Lego Land.

Through their efforts in secret over the past 100+ years, from oil money, war money, drug money, etc, they can travel at light speed and faster. But they don't know how to avoid objects and debris while traveling at that speed. That is "THE UNDERSTANDING" they want to acquire from abductees.

Mr Clifford E. Stone said on Rense Radio once ... "They Hate People".


This is the main situation ..........

QUOTE: "For negative multidimensional beings that play a part in the exercise of power in the shadow of human oligarchy, discretion is motivated by their will to keep their existence and seizure unknown.
For us, discretion is motivated by the respect of the human free will that people can exercise to manage their own affairs so that they can reach technical and spiritual maturity on their own."


Best Regards,

JimUFO or Jimbo or Sir Gilligan Horry.

http://www.aliensufosfreevideos.250x.com

Douzo Yoroshiko Onegai Shimasu.

Ganbatte Kudasai ne!

P.S.
This email letter is not copyright or private.
Feel free to share it with anyone you like.








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[King Lear]

I'm sorry but i dont believe a single word of mr. fulford.
he really has crazy ideas, HAARP and these pretty weird ninja threats and so on...

i saw him in the PC-interview and heard him on THE ALEX JONES SHOW interviewed by Jason Bermas (Loose Change)

and the day after JB and Alex Jones made jokes about mr. fulford and laughed about him and i think in this they were right.

fulford really tells some ridiculous stories.

http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/2574/samuraibenjaminqj2.png (http://imageshack.us)
http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/2574/samuraibenjaminqj2.3082e20f8c.jpg (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=244&i=samuraibenjaminqj2.png)

if you dont agree, i HAARP you!:bleh:



P.S. Mr. Fulford if you see this, I think your sense of humour is big enough:wink2:

[ARE WE THERE YET]

connecting a dot...

As Kerry and Bill asked it correctly towards the end of the interview: but what about the bigger plan, the overall world plan? It is not about the US, or the puppets in washington.

BF said that the bancrupty of the US might be postponed, even avoided by a HUGE SPACE PROGRAM. For what? To do what?


connect this with the ongoing buzz about a FAKE ALIEN INVASION and this starts to make sense on a global scale.
Fake alien invasion units the world against them, US releases info on secret tehcnology and needs money to get the production going.

venciremos.

ARE WE THERE YET quotes-....,the United States Must;CONTROL THE NEW “INTERNATIONAL COMMONS” OF SPACE AND “CYBERSPACE,” and pave the way for the creation of a new military service – U.S. Space Forces – with the mission of space control. (This is a direct quote from project of a New American century)
http://www.newamericancentury.org. EVERYONE SHOULD READ THIS
as this is what they want and what they planned. The question is ,military space control of what??????.
The author Tony Bushby has viewpoints on fake alien invasion and is well worth some research.

[ARE WE THERE YET]

SIR GILLIGAN HORRY
I sincerely hope you are able to make contact with Mr Fulford

[FTOWNBALLA]

Benjamin sounds kind of confused to me. I don't really think he is who he says he is. I really think he is making stuff up. Everytime i listen to him, he always says i got one source telling me this and another telling me that. Apparently his sources are not to reliable. FTOWN

[timelord]

yeah im not completely sold on him either im sure he means well but i think he just gets his stuff off the net. i mean do u really think the Illuminati with all their power would be scared of ninja's? hardly, and if they are really standing by when are they going to attack? i dont know, it just doesnt make sense.

[galaxygirl]

I think that M.StClair has a great idea, let's have Mr. Fulford come here to answer some questions.

[DYST]

Does anyone find it more than coincidence that trading on the UK stock exchange was forced to cease 15 minutes after it opened due to a "technical glitch" on what was expected to be one of the bigest trading days follwing the US takeover of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae :trumpet:

[chickenshoes]

To put it bluntly my friend, though good for the planet, I have never met an only child that did not have some serious issues to work out as a result of it and I'm sure many here would agree with me (including only children).

Hello, I'm new here, but I have to say, I don't agree with you, and, where is your proof of this? Are you a child psychologist, specializing in the treatment of the "unique" problems of only children?:lmfao:

I am an only child, and I get so sick and tired of an occasional person assuming I'm somehow "broken" because of it.

Being an only child is NOT a bad, defective, dysfunctional way to be raised. I came by all my problems honestly, not because my parents decided not to egotistically fill the world with little copies of themselves.:biggrin2:

In fact, the most ill behaved children I have ever met in my life came from a family of 8. They were at the time, and I assume still are, rotten to the core. They lied, cheated, stole, acted out in totally inappropriate ways constantly, had absolutely no compassion. In my opinion, this may have been (in part) due to a lack of individualized attention from their parents.

That being said, it will be much harder to institute a 1 child policy than anyone realizes.

Accidents happen, and there are way too many radical anti abortionists in the states to allow any little zygote or embryo to be done away with without shooting the doctors or bombing the clinics. Something like this could potentially set them into overdrive, I would think.

[SirKnight]

KING LEAR;

Hey John is that you. Sure looks like you in front of your fireplace...

:lol3:

[CONDE]

Mr. Benjamin Fulford is an inteligent man who CARES FOR :mfr_omg:
THE LITTLE PEOPLE !

And that is good enough for me.

Frank Conde.

[Andre]

Last night's Benjamin Fulford telephone interview (see above) has been edited and is available here (http://projectcamelot.org/audio_interviews.html).

* While we're at it, a transcript of our conversation with George Green two days ago is available here (http://projectcamelot.org/george_green_2_sept_2008.html) - already. Kudos to our transcription team: we weren't even aware that anyone had been working on it until it was done! (The best possible definition of delegation :original: )

Thanks for the update Bill.

I must say though, that I sense either some confusion in Fulford's remarks. It is obvious that he is been feed some information regarding events to come from certain powers, but we need to be careful how we receive these information. It is best to analyze first, rather than attribute truth or deceit to it.

[undetected]

I am a bit disappointed by some of the reactions here. I really think Benjamin is a good guy and I don't see a problem with his story. I've heard/seen several of his interviews and read his articles and I don't find anything confusing about him. I think he is very clear and straightforward in presenting his position, not giving you any diplomatic veiled BS but plain and raw truth. IIRC D. Rockefeller responded to him something in the sense that they don't say things so bluntly but choose their words more carefully, hinting that Benjamin should do that too. Well he doesn't and that's what I like about him and that might be what's confusing many people. Maybe they're too used to the tricky and backstabbing manners of most people, especially in politics, to believe that Ben is for real. Also as for him saying "one source tells me his, another tells me his", that is nothing strange in this situation, do Bill and Kerry's sources all say the same?

I must say I actually had this idea before I heard about Ben - that the only way to deal with the Illuminati would be to use trained assassins to kill off the top. The way I see it, any diplomatic dealing with them will only postpone things. They have already shown that they'll stick to their plans even if it takes centuries. In a thousand years they'll still be here with the same agenda. Question is, will we still be here to stop them? So with this in mind I was quite nicely surprised when I heard about Benjamin and this secret society. I think his plan is pretty simple and good. What we're probably all wondering about is, will he keep his word when the time comes? Even though I admire his attempts to solve things peacefully, I actually hope They will make a mistake and the assassins will retaliate mercilessly, for reasons mentioned above.

I've read several comments of disbelief here towards the "ninja" thing. I'm sorry but, what's the problem again? You don't believe in ninjas? You believe in ETs, in the Illuminati but not ninjas? Please. Ninjas have been a solid part of [mainly] japanese culture for a long time, just like samurai and yakuza. I see nothing strange about that. The guys Benjamin talks about are trained assassins and as this society is in the far east, well, i think trained assassin and ninja should be pretty much synonyms out there. Is it hard to believe there's a secret society with trained assassins? How would that be strange in today's world?

Also there was a question "do you think the Illuminati would be scared of ninjas?" Well, they should be. They're rich and powerful but not immortal. I've seen one of the crews making one of the 911 movies catch David Rockefeller on the street and ask him questions with a camera. If a bunch of ordinary young guys can find him on the street, then surely a trained assassin can find him and kill him. It's not like no one can kill Them, just that no one dared to do so yet.

So, I have some hope in Benjamin's plans and soon enough we'll probably see if he will achieve what he's trying to achieve or back off. He hasn't been proven wrong yet, right? Just accused, like pretty much everyone on this battlefield.

[Chaordic Simplexity]

yeah, as soon as assassinations start all the elites run in the underground bases with 20 ft titanium walls ordering everyone to blow up the evil countries terrorizing us.

how can they be assassinated there?

Then they will be able to convince the public to unleash the military machine, etc.

Ben is for sure honest and caring. But is he being used as an illuminati tool? Has he considered that? How do his contacts contact him without being traced by the machine? hmmm

I like Ben.....shaman plants make you see things straight. Powerful they are.:yikes:

[CONDE]

I am a bit disappointed by some of the reactions here. I really think Benjamin is a good guy and I don't see a problem with his story. I've heard/seen several of his interviews and read his articles and I don't find anything confusing about him. I think he is very clear and straightforward in presenting his position, not giving you any diplomatic veiled BS but plain and raw truth. IIRC D. Rockefeller responded to him something in the sense that they don't say things so bluntly but choose their words more carefully, hinting that Benjamin should do that too. Well he doesn't and that's what I like about him and that might be what's confusing many people. Maybe they're too used to the tricky and backstabbing manners of most people, especially in politics, to believe that Ben is for real. Also as for him saying "one source tells me his, another tells me his", that is nothing strange in this situation, do Bill and Kerry's sources all say the same?

I must say I actually had this idea before I heard about Ben - that the only way to deal with the Illuminati would be to use trained assassins to kill off the top. The way I see it, any diplomatic dealing with them will only postpone things. They have already shown that they'll stick to their plans even if it takes centuries. In a thousand years they'll still be here with the same agenda. Question is, will we still be here to stop them? So with this in mind I was quite nicely surprised when I heard about Benjamin and this secret society. I think his plan is pretty simple and good. What we're probably all wondering about is, will he keep his word when the time comes? Even though I admire his attempts to solve things peacefully, I actually hope They will make a mistake and the assassins will retaliate mercilessly, for reasons mentioned above.

I've read several comments of disbelief here towards the "ninja" thing. I'm sorry but, what's the problem again? You don't believe in ninjas? You believe in ETs, in the Illuminati but not ninjas? Please. Ninjas have been a solid part of [mainly] japanese culture for a long time, just like samurai and yakuza. I see nothing strange about that. The guys Benjamin talks about are trained assassins and as this society is in the far east, well, i think trained assassin and ninja should be pretty much synonyms out there. Is it hard to believe there's a secret society with trained assassins? How would that be strange in today's world?

Also there was a question "do you think the Illuminati would be scared of ninjas?" Well, they should be. They're rich and powerful but not immortal. I've seen one of the crews making one of the 911 movies catch David Rockefeller on the street and ask him questions with a camera. If a bunch of ordinary young guys can find him on the street, then surely a trained assassin can find him and kill him. It's not like no one can kill Them, just that no one dared to do so yet.

So, I have some hope in Benjamin's plans and soon enough we'll probably see if he will achieve what he's trying to achieve or back off. He hasn't been proven wrong yet, right? Just accused, like pretty much everyone on this battlefield.



Open minds are spiritual minds and speak the truth, how you iterpret this
words reflects on your state of mind.

Remember:

COMPASSION:tears:

FORGIVENESS :thumb_yello:

HUMILITY :wink2:

UNDERSTANDING :naughty:

VALOR :sneaky2:

APPREACIAATION :bleh:

Frank Conde.

[21sept]

I believe Benjamin Fulford has the best of intentions. When he specifies it is in everyones best interests to give these greedy, no good, heartless power junkies, amnesty, he appears to have weighed that carefully, thoughtfully, and human'fully' :mfr_lol:

p.s. hi frank

[Bill Ryan]

Hi, Folks:

We have not met this person. The photo was provided by Benjamin. Just for information and interest only.

http://projectcamelot.org/ninja.jpg

[Angel of the Mists]

I too felt alittle disappointed by some of the comments posted above and rather liked Conde's comment below.

[QUOTE=CONDE;2699]
Open minds are spiritual minds and speak the truth, how you interpret these
words reflects on your state of mind.

Yes there is so much confusion out there and most of you are probably far more informed than I am, being rather new to all of this. But as spiritual beings, should we not be able to listen with respect and not rush to judgement? Sure, we are all entitled to an opinion, and it is good to be able to debate, but one of the drawbacks to postings, and email and so on, is that they can sometimes read with an edge that may not be intended. To be honest the feeling I got as I read through this was almost as if we were spoiling some kind of fight.....but with the wrong guy!!

I'm going to quote Conde again:
Open minds are spiritual minds and speak the truth; how you interpret these words reflects on your state of mind.

Angel of the Mists

[ForsakenFalcon]

haha a assassin of motivated by good.

One of My favorite personal quotes =

"Shrouded in darkness to serve the light"

[OceanWinds]

agreed...

[ucan]

Just listened and I'm glad for an update from Ben - I've missed the monthly appearances with Jeff Rense - the last Interview I heard was for the Alex Jones show in August which went quite strangely in my opinion and Alex was quite quick to dismiss Ben's comments about China. One point in this telephone discussion I can't get my head around is Ben's lack of suspicion on the installment of a world government so that E.T. trusts us enough to explore space. I have come across these ideas before and I'm surprised that Ben is repeating these sentiments. Maybe it's my own lack of trust or maybe it's my own experiences that make me want to now turn away from what Ben is saying and focus on my own vision, but I'm pretty sure I'll still be very interested in what this brilliant man has to say - he really does have some wonderful things to say that echo truth in my heart...

[OceanWinds]

Here is an analogy.

Imagine a beautiful pristine lake... a river flows into this lake bringing minerals and fresh pristine water from the mountains. There are plants, bacteria and all sorts of mircrobes growing in the lake. These feed different creatures in a food chain all the way up to the large fish in this lake. And this is all in balance, with no interference from an outside source.

Around this lake is an awe inspiring forest... it is full of shrubs, insects, trees, birds, deer... and their predators, like bears and wolves. But again this is in complete balance around the lake... infact it is in harmony and balance with the lake. And this is without any outside interference.

Now picture this... the water going into the lake from the river is diverted to a city hundreds of kilometers away. Only a trickle is let down the original river as a token gesture.

The eco-system changes... the water level in the lake recedes, the lake warms up. Because of this the oxygen levels go down and algae flourishes through out the lake. All the fish in the lake die, and the microbes turn anaerobic (no oxygen) and a large stench eminates from the lake. The lake is stagnant... mammals, birds, and other creatures have to leave the area because their source of water and food is no longer enough. Trees and plants begin to wither and die because their water source is no enough.

The ecosystem is no longer in balance, which means it is no longer healthy.

Some people will probably think the algae is the reason the ecosystem is upset. So they will dump chemicals into the lake to try and kill the algae... but this will have no effect. Some will suggest that the lake is upset because of the massive amounts of flys in the lake... and will try to put chemicals into the lake to kill them. But this will also not have an effect, both of these are examples of trying to force nature. The only effect will be an even greater degenerative effect on the ecosystem.

The real problem is the fresh water source from the river being diverted. And once the lakes original water source is restored... the problems of algae, stink, flys.... and everything else will go away as balance is restored. It might take some time, but it will be restored.

And it is the same with the darkness on the planet. Label it what ever you want... illuminati, Jesuit, demons... it does not matter, it is all darkness. Darkness not meaning evil, darkness meaning absence of light. A dark act is a dark act regardless of the source, and it is degenerative.

Trying to kill a bunch of people who perform degenerative acts will not solve a thing. The two dark acts will not bring the light. Only generative acts will bring light...

Keeping a persons headspace in a positive light, living a life of honor and integrity... and extending love into all actions is what will change the world. And one person who does this... is far more powerful than millions who do not.

And if enough live like this there will be no darkness... there will only be an earth in harmony and balance. Two examples off the top of my head is Mother Teresa... she change the world dramatically. And Mahatma Ghandi... he took India back from Britain without a single bullet.

Any person who really wants to make a change for the planet... and I really mean make a change should follow their example. And on top of this even if the illuminati, and whatnot were taken out by ninjas... the people are still corrupted. A new group would come in and perform the same acts... the soil will give the same fruit.

[undetected]

I understand your analogy, OceanWinds, and agree, but this whole equation has too many elements. I agree that it's always preferable to choose a peaceful solution, based on love rather than revenge, so I don't want to argue your point, but this situation still raises some questions in me. And I don't have clear answers, there are just too many unknowns.

Abusing your analogy a little, reading the beginning I first thought diverting the stream was analogous to the Illuminati's actions. Then returning the stream would mean getting rid of the Illuminati :) Just a different perspective.

Then there's this notorious question: would it have been a good or bad thing if someone had killed Hitler a couple of years before 1945? Same thing now with the World Elite. My dilemma is this: if you take drastic measures, like killing, you're committing a crime, not only by our judicial system, but against universal laws too. On the other hand, say at least hypothetically, by not killing these relatively few people, you're allowing for mass murder, torture, mind control, rape, extensive economical scams and similar things to happen. It's a bit like sitting and doing nothing.
Yes, I get the point that there are other ways to go about it. But that brings the question, are these ways quick and effective enough? I believe in the long run the peaceful solutions are necessary and they should be worked on all along. I'm raising the question whether additional, more extreme measures, are cathegorically a bad thing, or a rather necessary support for the less extreme ones. Because in my opinion time is not on our side here. Neither is money and many other things. Not that money is important but it's still an effective tool to achieve many goals. And They have lots of it.

I'm not really taking a side here, I'm not entirely sure what's right or wrong in this situation, so I raise this as a question for everyone to share an opinion. Also, Ben's agenda is "assassination is coming IF you keep killing people [through war/disease etc]". So 1. there is a clear warning, and 2. it's a few assassinations as a response to mass murder basically. So what exactly is ethical or unethical here? Both options have pros and cons. I believe a peaceful way is prefferable. But I'm not so sure that NEVER going to extreme measures, even when dealing with extreme conditions, is always correct.

So what to choose? In a way I like this prospect and in a way I do have a moral problem with it. But I also have a moral problem with letting a few *******s abuse billions of people. I'd like to know people's opinions on this point.

[OceanWinds]

Please if you will... consider the soil that gave the fruit of Hitler. It was just after world war one, and the germans had to repay debt to france. They were upset about it, times were not good. The germans were punished for the nazis actions. The country was poor, and not well treated. It was upset, and it turned to hitler. If after world war one all nations were extended love and unity... instead of punishment I am sure he would have never come to power.

Everything happens exactly as it should... the problem with hilter is that he was only a fly... and not the garbage heap that attracts the flys. Get rid of the garbage, and you automatically get rid of the flys. Just like in your house when you get fruit flys... you can never kill them as long as fruit sits on the counter.

Now as long as everyone treats each other with dignity, respect, love, tolerance... and such. People like hitler will never rise to power... organizations like the illuminati and whatnot cannot exist. Hate, Greed, Contempt, Complacency... these breed hitlers and st
alins.

We have seen that peace can effect large scale change. Just look at Ghandi... he took back india without one bullet. Not one single bullet... imagine fighting a war where the opposing side did not want to fight or kill anyone. And they were the nicest people you could meet... now motivate your soldiers to fight them... i highly doubt anyone could do it.

Violence cannot vibrate in a field of love... the illuminati know this, the dark forces know this. This is why they keep the populations in a field of terror through the media, and other stuff. It cant happen...

I hope I answered your questions.

[CONDE]

BF: The idea is to replace war with a different kind of economic competition. So it would be like a peaceful war, sort of like a global Olympics. For example, the Americans would compete with the Chinese to develop Africa. Or, in other words, come up with some sort of way where we’d periodically give everybody on the planet a goal that they all work towards. Because one thing war has done in the past, it has motivated people to go to extraordinary efforts. Unfortunately it’s been efforts to kill and conquer.

But the idea of mobilizing people can be used for peaceful purposes. A good example was Hitler starting up the Autobahn. He said: OK, you’re all unemployed, you’ve got no work. All right, we’re gonna build the best highway system the world has ever seen. And they did. So never mind all the genocide and stuff-- that happened later-- but just the idea that you mobilize everybody.

So, for example, I’m asking for a 3-year campaign, at the end of which, all environmental destruction will be stopped; every kid on the planet [voices becomes choked with emotion] will have a full mind [wipes away tears] and a full stomach; and human potential will be released. [wipes away tears] And the economic benefits would be just totally mind-boggling.

At the same time, instead of having something like DARPA, you know, high-tech research for the purposes of killing, make it high-tech research for the purposes of promoting life. For example, immortality is around the corner. If you could live another 30, 40 years, you could probably live to be a thousand or more if you wanted. So they should put as much resources as possible into that. And we can make ourselves more intelligent with drugs, with gene therapies, to raise our intelligence. We could have a kind of a paradigm shift, I mean a fractal shift, really-- like the Cambrian explosion-- within a matter of maybe dozens or hundreds of years at most. If we want.

If everybody raises their IQ to 200, 300, and they’ve got infinite free power and immortality, who knows what we’re gonna think up? It’ll set off a kind of, you know, exponential explosion of progress, which you can only begin to wonder and imagine what it’s gonna be like.

But it’s real. It’s not some kind of science fiction. It’s all there in the current technology. You can read it and see it.

KC: We have it within our grasp.

BF: Yes. And so we should really just go for it! I mean, try to save every soul you can. If we can make everybody immortal, we should. And then if there’s not enough room for them, we’ll have to go out into space.

KC: But in essence, it seems like this threat that you’re talking about the Yakuza and the secret societies have made to, in essence, the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds, right?-- the ones that are at the very top-- that if things don’t change, they are basically going to be motivated to, sort of, eliminate them?

BF: Well, it’s a slave revolt they’re dealing with, basically. And it’s one they can’t stop this time. I mean, Kennedy basically lead an unsuccessful slave revolt.

KC: Right.

Appreciation


Compassion


Forgiveness


Humility


Understanding


Valor

[Draecon13]

Thank you Oceanwinds for your understanding of the principles of Knowledge. Your position is correct and "IF" enough people can re-connect with that inner understanding, I feel there is a chance for our survival and redemption. Time is very short and most seem to be caught in the illusion of reality we as a race have created in the world. We need to let go of that illusion and let our inner Knowledge (that has always been there from the Creator) guide us. If we can do this we have a chance of seeing the damage we have done to our world and ourselves, and correct it. And we have a chance of seeing the negative intervention the off-world races are currently unfolding in our fractured and ill-prepared world. We need to enter the community of intelligent life in the universe united, self sufficient and with discretion.

Strength and Knowledge to All

[Zelphael]

I too side with the position that Ben seems like a lovely, deeply compassionate man who has been caught up in some very unusual situations.

Of course, like all info, we analyse and assess it against other sources. That is just common sense.

But I get a real sense of genuineness from Ben and if there are any errors from his sources, I don't believe he is making stuff up.

[CONDE]

MR. FULFORD AT RENSE NOW LIVE ! :smoke:

[undetected]

Ok, OceanWinds, you're going a bit around the problem I have in mind, so I'll try to explain better.

As for the Hitler thing - sure, if people had been different, Hitler would never happen. But that's not the point. Hitler did happen. So imagine it's like 1942, war is going on and here's the question: would killing him be a bad thing? Sure he's not the only one, just a fly like you say, but this is more about the principle. Let's assume for a moment the nazi force would crumble without him. I'm talking about an archetype situation where you have a chance to kill a guy who will otherwise kill millions. Would it be a bad thing to kill him?

As for Illuminati - if people had a sense of personal responsibility, we wouldn't be where we are now. But we are here, in this mess. I don't wanna hear "IF we'd have acted differently, things would be different now." Mankind has acted as it did and here we are. There are people who commit mass murder, develop and release diseases, start nonsensical wars, steal... you name it. And we know about it and know who they are, to a large extent. And we have reasons to believe that if we don't stop them, it will get much worse. If we all got microchipped, out "life" would be over, because what we'd have couldn't be called life. So I'm asking: can you really stop them with love? Before it's too late?

You're right that killing some, others would probably come in their places. But maybe, getting rid of the few on the top who push very fast for the worst things imaginable would slow Them down a lot and give us a much better chance of working on better solutions. The choice just MIGHT be -no violence and slavery- on one side, and -a bit of violence and freedom- on the other.

You said "imagine fighting a war where the opposing side did not want to fight or kill anyone. And they were the nicest people you could meet... now motivate your soldiers to fight them... i highly doubt anyone could do it."
In my opinion here you are _completely_ wrong. Wars are ALL about people killing other people who are not in the least their enemies. The guys on the battlefield have no interest in killing the guys on the other side. Your location says Canada. What if my country gets into war with Canada and they send you and me to fight? What interest do I have in shooting at you? None. Would I do it? No. Would the other soldiers do it? You bet they would! Because the government brainwashes them with crap about patriotism and fighting for their country. Or you want to tell me that the US fights in Iraq because the citizens of Iraq are bad people? It's in fact very easy to motivate basically nice people to kill other nice people and it's been happening all throughout history. People are easy to manipulate. You doubt anyone could do it? The Illuminati are masters of doing it. They wouldn't fool me and they wouldn't fool you I'm sure. But they damn well would fool almost all the rest.

But imagine, kill top ten military officers or involved politicians on each side and the war is over. There will be no one left to have interest in it. Just a few shots instead of several years of killing civilians. Cause ordinary soldiers are pretty much civilians too. Just guys like you and me who got a uniform and a gun and an order to kill.
Or even better, as someone said recently - put the politicians [like Bush] on the battlefield to sort it out among themselves, and the war will not be over soon, it will never begin in the first place. Wars are all about people with no interest in the war killing other people who have no interest in the war. The soldiers are not bad people. But they kill. Because a few guys convince them that it's the right thing to do.

I agree Gandhi was a great man and did things right. It's just that right now we need a few dozen of them working really fast. Yes, love is the right way. But somehow people have been missing that point for centuries and now it seems to be a bit late.
Anyway, I'm still interested in what others think too.

[CONDE]

OK ?:lol3:

[Bill Ryan]

The transcript of the 6 September Benjamin Fulford phone interview has just been posted at Project Camelot.

Clck here (http://projectcamelot.org/benjamin_fulford_6_sept_2008.html)

Kudos again to our extremely efficient transcription team. Guys, you know who you are.

[OceanWinds]

Here is what you are saying... Would it be ok to kill a few men to save millions of lives, suffering, and grief? and you gave an example... which is hitler. And my answer is that it is not that simple... but in the end it is never ok.

Right now there is two problems with this that I can see.

#1. You use Hitler and his Nazis as the reference... and that if they were "nipped in the bud" millions of lives and suffering would have not happened. Now just because millions of lives are saved in this scenario doesn't mean life on earth would be better for it. This is an assumption. Perhaps this war averted something even worse...

#2. Your second assumption close the first, in that you think that the scenario will work out exactly the same each time. This is an exemplafied scenario... given by church, hollywood, government, and so forth. The general idea being that if you go out and kill the baddies life gets better for everyone. This approach has never ever worked through out history. Just look at iraq and afghanistan...

The problem is with the soil... greed, contempt, complacency, and whatnot is generates the environment for these types of things to happen. So kill one million "baddies"... they will just keep on coming back, like the teeth in a sharks mouth. As long as that shark has food to eat those teeth will keep coming back. But starve that shark of its prey... and it will whither away or leave to different waters.

And yes... in history there have been times where peacefull peoples have been conquered ruthlessly. The spanish inquisition is a good example... it could have been karmic... or something necessary for humanity to learn something about itself. I dont have all the answers... again its not that simple... but i will tell you this. All things happen as they should.

[SirKnight]

Conde;

Stop looking at me, it's freaky.

:lol3:

[CONDE]

I just came back from a lovely trip
Along the Milky Way
I stopped off at the North Pole
To spend a holiday
I called on dear old Ben Fulford
To see what I could see.
He took me to his workshop
And told his plan to me

They better watch out,
They better not cry,
They better not pout,
I'm telling you why:
Ninja's coming to town!

He's making a list,
And checking it twice,
Gonna find out who's naughty or nice.
Ninja's coming to town!

They see you when you're sleeping,
They know when you're awake.
They know if you've been bad or good,
So be good for goodness sake!

Oh! You better watch out,
You better not cry,
You better not pout,
I'm telling you why:

Thanks for helping save the planet Benjamin San !

:roll1::roll1::roll1::roll1::roll1::roll1::roll1:: roll1::roll1::roll1:

[King Lear]

I just came back from a lovely trip
Along the Milky Way
I stopped off at the North Pole
To spend a holiday
I called on dear old Ben Fulford
To see what I could see.
He took me to his workshop
And told his plan to me

They better watch out,
They better not cry,
They better not pout,
I'm telling you why:
Ninja's coming to town!

He's making a list,
And checking it twice,
Gonna find out who's naughty or nice.
Ninja's coming to town!

They see you when you're sleeping,
They know when you're awake.
They know if you've been bad or good,
So be good for goodness sake!

Oh! You better watch out,
You better not cry,
You better not pout,
I'm telling you why:

Thanks for helping save the planet Benjamin San !

:roll1::roll1::roll1::roll1::roll1::roll1::roll1:: roll1::roll1::roll1:


Very funny Conde :roll1::naughty::mfr_lol:

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/6154/benjaminsango0.png (http://imageshack.us)




P.S. i just want to emphasize I don't want to make Mr. Fulford ridiculous, but it's just without any evidences I can't believe him - and that I express!

[CONDE]

I understand Mr.Liar but the absence of evidence in not
evidence of absence, as you know.

We have to learn to LISTEN to any man speak, and then be able to FEEL
If He's for real or if his message is a lie.

Yes, to FEEL the energy of the intent, try it you'll like it.
It is the "Buterflies" you and I felt as we listened to David Wilcock's Last,
know watta mean ?

All the Best, Frank.:naughty:

[King Lear]

I understand Mr.Liar but the absence of evidence in not
evidence of absence, as you know.

We have to learn to LISTEN to any man speak, and then be able to FEEL
If He's for real or if his message is a lie.

Yes, to FEEL the energy of the intent, try it you'll like it.
It is the "Buterflies" you and I felt as we listened to David Wilcock's Last,
know watta mean ?

All the Best, Frank.:naughty:

KING LEAR!!!
not Mr. Lear


does no one understand an allusion/amphibology/pun?

[CONDE]

W E M L :smoke:

Monarchs are passe, mr. Liar.

Your crown is fake, are you James Earl "Jimmy" Carter, Jr ?

[Renewing]

Well, it is interesting what BF is saying, but....

after the phone interview, I am quite convinced that David Icke has right and that BF is in fact controlled and used by the Chinese/Asian part of Illuminati.

"..... if you listen to David Icke, who makes a lot of sense a lot of the time, he’s actually saying that on an upper level, the Chinese are also run by the Illuminati behind the scenes. And that means there is a deeper agenda than just the one we’re talking about here that will motivate events in the long run. ......"

BF:
".....But the Chinese, as far as I can tell by all my connections, and if you look at the nature of their government and everything else, they are not doing evil in China. But China was under their control under Chairman Mao and they killed tens of millions of people. But after Deng Xiao-Ping got in power, basically the Illuminati lost China. They’re trying to get back. They have people they’ve been working on and bribing and whatever, but they don’t have control. But they have been negotiating and they’ve been trying to fool the Chinese. That’s my take on it."

WHAT?! The nature of their "government" after Mao is not doing evil in China?! What is about the killing of the students on Tiananmen Square in 1989?
What is about the absolutely brutal persecution of peaceful Falun Gong practitioners in Mainland China?! People are killed only for doing meditaion and Qigong?!
That is the same government, Fulford is talking about.... since the persecution has not ended and in 2006 it got known, that they even kill living people for selling their organs for transplantations?! (Look for more info at http://dafoh.org, Doctors against Forced Organ Harvesting).

Now, after this interview, Fulford is for me a puppet for the Chinese Illuminati who seek World Domination by 2020... at least some time in the 21. century...

A Chinese friend living outside of China, told me this year that a Chinese Man told her, that in 20 years, the Chinese will be the rulers of the World.
That is at least what they intend.

The Chinese regime is still communistic in the way that they think that they have to do a "violent revolution" every ten years, for only in this way, Communism keeps up with its progression.
In 1989 there was the student massacre,
in 1999 the persecution and killing of Falun Gong practitioners started.
2009....

[King Lear]

A Chinese friend living outside of China, told me this year that a Chinese Man told her, that in 20 years, the Chinese will be the rulers of the World.
That is at least what they intend.


Yes, but by this they mean more an economic domination and not a real control of the world.

China never was a expanding land/power, because they are so big. For themselves they are the center of the world and last themselves.

For example also India stated things like that, a PM or something said: "In future Europe will give their streets Indian names!"


Why wonder about such economic-chauvinism? The Western World encourages them in these thoughts every day! Just watch CNN or something else.

[Renewing]

No joke, but in some African countries there ARE already streets with Chinese names, since many Chinese are coming to Africa in these days! (extracting, searching commodities and places to settle).
China is highly polluted, overpopulated and in need of commodities/raw materials...

Nothing against peaceful economic world domination, but against another Illuminati fraction, who just is doing the same evil exactly as the other Illuminati fractions....

And wanting to kill somebody is just evil in my eyes.

[Renewing]

Every Illuminati fraction wants the domination above the others... that is therefore, they fight against each other.

Why also should the Chinese Illuminati fraction NOT want to be the (New) World Leaders? They definitely want, if you ask me....

Read this:
(I don`t think it will happen, but it is interesting what some old men in the regime think....).
http://en.epochtimes.com/news/5-8-8/31055.html
War Is Not Far from Us and Is the Midwife of the Chinese Century
Leading CCP official argues for exterminating U.S. population

http://en.epochtimes.com/news/5-8-5/30974.html
The War Is Approaching Us
Speech by a high-ranking CCP official argues for nuclear war

[King Lear]

Do you know, that there are uprisings by poor peasants and the rural population almost everywhere over China and every week, because of the predator-capitalism which destroys their living conditions?


So you see, China is not the monolithical giant as it appears.
It's very unstable indeed - if the capitalism, hand in hand with a totalitarian ruling Communistic party, goes on this way, China could change radically.

In a way we can't really foresee.

[stresswon]

Interesting conversation from the site. (PC) Only time will tell.

[Mrs. Robinson]

I am still trying to wrap my head around the concept of Ninja-Assasin-turned Protector.....is this protector of Mr. Fulfords strictly his body guard of sorts, or has he turned a leaf and is now a protector of truths and justice?? Just a little blip I'd like to understand better if someone can 'illuminate' me.....?


gracias

Deb

[undetected]

Benjamin said 'if you need a bodyguard, it's already too late, you have to make them not want to kill you'. So I'm guessing the word Protector is used in a more general sense.

As for some claims that BF is used by Chinese Illuminati or whether the Chinese are under the Illuminati control - it seems to me that some forget to note the difference between the Chinese Government and this secret society Benjamin is affiliated with. And if I remember correctly, he said that the society is Chinese but doesn't agree with the actions of Chinese Gvt. So, whether or not "The Chinese" are under the Illuminati's influence, it would be the government, not this society, and therefore not Benjamin either.
He may be fed some false information from somewhere, just like anyone else, but suggesting he or this society are puppets of the Illuminati makes no sense to me.

[Richard T]

I agree with Mr StClair when he states that the UN will be replaced by another organization.

A lot will have happened by 2020 that will already have softened the fabric of this civilization's collective consciousness, creating a lot of insecurity and forcing people in a situation where all of a sudden they have nothing to lose, since they have already lost all that pertains to their cultural ties with values.

One problem with the UN is that it is representative of a group of countries, representing certain minorities themselves and not the overall people as we might wishfully hope for, and therefore whose agendas are geared towards the interests of those minorities in a local control of the flow of richness in the case of secondary and third powers, whose influence are greatly limited by the control of global power seeking entities.

Individuals are corruptible, and so are organizations and countries by extension.

I found this interview with Mr. Fulford interesting and some points struck me as particularly worthy of note.

1- Asian interest in gaining more weight in world decisions
2- Aliens refusing the ability of humankind to move beyond its sphere and beyond the solar system
3- Amnesty for the power corrupted
4- The fear of death and the wanting to continue living to preserve wealth

In relation to the first point.
And here, I am obviously speaking for myself and no body else.

Ideologies are competing for power. They have a life of their own and are the result of mental constructs integrated within what we call collective consciousness under the umbrella of cultural and social cohesion for the benefit of specific modes of experience.

These are kept in check and localized for important reasons. And in the end, they cannot be the basis for a world resources domination tug of war that end up being depleted and misused if one is to look at this from a truly universal point of view.

These cultural centres of collective consciousness are all based on the same origin, being the origin of consciousness of domination, but colored with the values used as the glue and framework for these cultural thought currents.

In the end, the people remain enslave to the cultural form of thought, taking the collective values as their own, totally mesmerized into believing that those values are of their choosing.

And this remains true so long as they are supported by the system, and that hope is filtered down the tube that things will improve over time.

But things always improve in a way that enforces the submission of individuals within a mass to the system because individuals are prevented from being autonomous being fed the lie that is the concept of free will.

So, having cultural centers of the planet fighting for more power is allowing those cultural centers a perpetuated source of energy. It gives them a time slice potential advantage. On the other hand, a civilization has but a certain amount of time, and like oil, if you burn it all, then its over.

So far as I am concerned, it should be globally illegal for a country to hand over its resources to any private or foreign forces. But the leaders of those third world countries are too often quite happy to extend those resources to influent powers, be they private or collectivized entities like countries, in exchange for support of their dictatorships.

Look at what is going on in Darfour. Chinese support of a government killing its population in exchange for the right to exploit the resources. China is a member of the Security Council. This holds true of all those Security Council nations and all are quite happy to trade blood for resources. So, what does China care about the individual mind?

This whole modus operandi will one day blow up because man must one day be free. And I am not talking about the American concept of freedom here.


In relation of the second point (aliens limiting humankind access to space and other alien agendas)

This is interesting to note and it is very real.

To understand what this means, really, the illusion of free will must really be recognized, which means that the individual must start realizing how the mind is manipulated.

In order for aliens to prevent man from escaping his planet, man must not have the ability to project and create technologies that would allow it to happen.

So, this implies a control of not simply the material thinking entity, or shall we call it the material terminal that people think is the center of their self, but the control of what information can filter to that terminal, therefore the control of thoughts themselves, the control of the worlds of imagination, the control of beliefs, and so on. All this, using cultured values during thousands of years as replacement methods for the hidden reality.

And yes, there are opposed hierarchies in regards to the status of man on this planet, as there are different origins of consciousnesses that incarnated on this planet to form humanity.

So, the agendas are opposed, but not just in the way we might believe.

But in any case, all these agendas agree on one thing, and it is to disallow man from escaping his planet for the time being. There is an experiment going on here and all have been volunteers for the experiment, even though we were not allowed to access any information and were not allowed to retain any memory of this process.

Until the experiment is over, the parameters of the experiment are beyond the control of humankind.

But it is led to believe otherwise, to believe that the future of humanity is with the ego's impression of free will, whereas the ego is teleguided in his experience in accordance to the parameters of the experience.

Man will not be allowed to control his destiny, as an individual, so long as he is just even capable to answer to the laws of domination. So long as he answers to the laws of domination, he is dominated. This is the nature of those laws. You cannot be free and seek to dominate at the same time. It is an illusion, and it has been the illusion of humankind through the history of civilizations on this planet and even beyond.

And one outcome of this experience is the eventual shielding from any possible influence from the laws of domination. And only then will man be able to project his evolution, on his own terms as an individual, and way beyond anything he can imagine and even beyond what the domination bound hierarchies can project, regardless of their technological advancement.

In the mean time, so long as man, as an individual, is bound to the fear of losing, which has close ties to the laws of domination, he will remain a controlled entity as an individual as well as a collective entity.

Concerning an amnesty for the agents of domination

When the spirit of the American people will have been so shaken by the loss of their illusions, those men who were planning the enslavement of the world will be brought to the highest court to be judged. And it will be a just judgment.

Concerning the fear of death as an engine to remain alive and so on.
It is assumed that the fear of death is an universal value.

Generally, this is true. But it is not absolute.

When a man becomes so possessed that the channel between him and his ruling entity is fully opened, he lives the impression of being unvulnerable, even in death.

Consciousness is not a material artifact. And the ego is an interface that manifests the energy that goes through it. The ego is simply clueless of the nature and the origin of that energy, and therefore lacks the discernment that would shield him from domination.

Once this mind tunnel is totally under the control of this ruling entity, the individual will do exactly as bidded. Fear of death is not an obstacle to an entity that already resides death.

So, those men who are agents of domination on this globe, who we could also call black initiates, will not back off simply because of the fear of death. Some might, but not all.

And this is why it is so hard for most people to understand why certain individuals could do what they do and go as far as they do in their destructive agenda.

A very interesting interview all in all.

[SirKnight]

Benjamin Fulford will be on Jeff Rense tonight.

[ranma187]

sweet! he's on rense. he should go on c2c am. I'd call in and ask him some tough questions.

[strayslack]

I'm unable to listen to this. When it's over, could someone please post a brief synopsis. Thanks so much.

[dragonfly]

I'd call in and ask him some tough questions.

Indeed!! I just heard it. Quite frankly, I am feeling unease. It seems he has all the answers on what we should do, but not actually what is going on aside the obvious. Just my observation.

He seems to go in circles and um.. ah... um... well.. when he was asked about his secret friends.
So now it's martial arts orginizations all over the world? Humm..? I don't know about that. I've been involved with Martial Arts and maybe the Grand Masters and big wigs are indeed involved, but the way he talks about it now in comparison to the threat he made months ago is ............. well, very different.:sneaky2:

[GenerationIke]

I am posting youtube clips with Ben Fulford. Recent interviews on the www.rense.com. Very interesting.



I willl be posting on Japanese stuff very soon--that I know existed in 1991.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-segUfwaX-A

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMUBrl5zp7w&feature=related

[Wolf]

I stopped taking Fulford seriously when he made his comment about how he could have David Rockefeller delivered to him tied up with a dildo up his ass if he wanted to. The vibrational output of someone making such a statement is not one that is capapble fo crating the kind of change needed. That sort of thinking, let alone speaking it, cannot make lasting change. Fulford's anger level and vidictiveness in his interviews are deeply ego based and possibly even a sign of mental unbalance.

The world will not be changed by doing work "out there". We must first do the work inside of us or what we do out there won't make any difference. When enough of us have raised our own consciousness and vibration, the rest of it will begin to manifest naturally.

[333mark333]

In my opinion the Rothschilds have the seats of power- they have instilled themselves globally and have been running this reality since the 18th century.

[dcreation]

there could be and ET situation that is keeping the powers that be from destroying the earth. I have heard that they will not allow a nuclear exchange because it will affect other dimensions as well.

[nagualton]

I guess he decide rather to call ninjas to call all karate practitioners around the world and create such a great power to get rid off illuminati.
Maybe this is sarcastic, but that's what he said in the last interview to PC.

With more interviews coming we'll see who's real whistleblower and who's just overblower. Sorry, but i can't buy this one.

[777 The Great Work]

i think now would be a good time for his ninja friends to assassinate the secret masters of the world

LOL and bring SPIDERMAN Too

[Norval]

there could be and ET situation that is keeping the powers that be from destroying the earth. I have heard that they will not allow a nuclear exchange because it will affect other dimensions as well.

The earth will not be allowed to be destroyed. :thumb_yello:

[777 The Great Work]

Benjamin sounds kind of confused to me. I don't really think he is who he says he is. I really think he is making stuff up. Everytime i listen to him, he always says i got one source telling me this and another telling me that. Apparently his sources are not to reliable. FTOWN

I believe the game is up and the people are not waiting on spiderman and the green lantern to come save them.
This forum had some powerful energy and i strongly feel their is a spy in here.
We are the voice of the common folk and no question are answer is stupid. At least we are talking and its not about the latest Corvette.We need to keep talking and not trying to take our ball home because we don't like who's on the playground.

The Enemy of darkness is the INDEPENDENT THINKER and not fools with guns.

[777 The Great Work]

I just came back from a lovely trip
Along the Milky Way
I stopped off at the North Pole
To spend a holiday
I called on dear old Ben Fulford
To see what I could see.
He took me to his workshop
And told his plan to me

They better watch out,
They better not cry,
They better not pout,
I'm telling you why:
Ninja's coming to town!

He's making a list,
And checking it twice,
Gonna find out who's naughty or nice.
Ninja's coming to town!

They see you when you're sleeping,
They know when you're awake.
They know if you've been bad or good,
So be good for goodness sake!

Oh! You better watch out,
You better not cry,
You better not pout,
I'm telling you why:

Thanks for helping save the planet Benjamin San !

:roll1::roll1::roll1::roll1::roll1::roll1::roll1:: roll1::roll1::roll1:
You're Hilarious

[777 The Great Work]

I am still trying to wrap my head around the concept of Ninja-Assasin-turned Protector.....is this protector of Mr. Fulfords strictly his body guard of sorts, or has he turned a leaf and is now a protector of truths and justice?? Just a little blip I'd like to understand better if someone can 'illuminate' me.....?


gracias

Deb


I think that's MR X in the PIC lol. These people create their own voice of opposition. They always have.(Michael Moore)

The Mystery schools teach us to pay attention to the light and not the light bearer.

[Natoka]

Folks, just a heads up here. I believe some posts are could be understood as getting perilously close to advocating "Assassination". Whether or not that is the intent, nothing could get this noble site shut down faster than this.The discussion is good but please be careful of your wording.

Natoka

[mntruthseeker]

I could just hug you all. This is very good news and in my heart its what we need. You know I heard that Bush was going to be shot in Oct. (dont ask from who) but that would be a nice easy way to "save face" but I want History recorded correctly this time. NO more lies.


As far as babies go...............haven't we killed off enough. With all the poison in our bodies from our food and water......having a child right now is not even safe. I love babies, so it just kind of got to me about the "one baby rule"

There is no such thing as over-population...........I will not believe it............Earth can hold much more. Some people that have 5 or more homes. Share............share the land too.

All people should be able to live just fine on earth. One of the whistleblowers said that overpopulation was not an issue.


anyhow..........a big hug for Benjamin..........love ya & thanks bundle

love peace and light to all:biggrin2:

[rustanddust]

The earth will not be allowed to be destroyed. :thumb_yello:

the earth will be fine, I think its just our little lives that we're worrying about now! :naughty:

[yikes!]

So are we still concerned about the Sept 30th date?

[Greg10036]

The star people told me they would not allow a nuclear war because it would disrupt the space/time and time/space of this sector of the galaxy for eons. Their technology runs on the flow of space/time. Just as EMR will destroy a computer hard-drive. Abberant space/time ratios prevent their technologies from drawing on the over-energy created by the matter/antimater balance of space/time. Galactically, Terra is in the middle of a void between star clusters that are inhabited. We are the island on a trade route. For trade purposes, if nothing else, the star people need this weigh-station in the middle for reprieve from a long journey and to meet each other for trade negotiations and staging area for disbursing of goods and services. Their trading conditions are not so different than ours though the goods and services and exchange are different. They cannot afford to let us blow each other up. It is bad for business if nothing else. There are spiritual and moral reasons also.
g.

[Greg10036]

The earth will not be allowed to be destroyed. :thumb_yello:

They told me they would not allow nuclear exchange. It would mess with the space/time continum.
g.

[sirdiablo69]

He was right 1 child policy isnt a good thing. A 0 child policy would be good!!! Many here are discussing very dire things possibly coming right around the corner. Any sane intelligent race would stop having kids..and stop thinking of themselves and come from a worldcentric view.

How is restricting child bearing rights barbaric if having children will be much worse. Whats barbaric is being selfish and only thinking about yourself and "oh but kids are so cute, woosie woo." lol Awww dook at da diddtle baby...yea ...you so big..soooo big.

Plato was right.. the selfish ownership and click/gangs, i mean families is all part of the separation problem.

Families took away my right to go out and find my own piece of land. So their right to have babies is more important than my rights to not be imprisoned on this planet.

Gday ,
sounds to me that you have not and are not experienced parenthood,also rather than face the prospect of commiting to that noble enterprise, you would rather adopt the reccomendations of an ancient philsopher that would allow you to buy out, from the responsibilty of parenthood, based on the reccomendations of whom was to all intents and purposes quite likely homosexual, am l beggining to sound as though lm committing a hate crime, if so l reccomend you seek employment within the new age police force, it also appears quite evident that you have some unresolved issues pertaining to your own parents/guardians

[Avid]

Latest (http://www.rense.com/general83/usop.htm) Benjamin Fulford release

[milk and honey]

there could be and ET situation that is keeping the powers that be from destroying the earth. I have heard that they will not allow a nuclear exchange because it will affect other dimensions as well.
I have heard this idea of an alien intervention in several places but i believe it's a total fallacy.

First of all, if humanity is indeed engaged in a freewill universe then the consequences of freewill and the abrogation of personal power must not be interfered with. Whatever happens on this planet is the consequence of our own action and inaction over a very long period of time and is not simply the result of our present mindset. The true spiritual brotherhood guides humanity and attemps to influence the minds of human beings to make life affirming choices. With the benefit of that subtle positive influence people are free to take the high road or the low without restraint.

Nuclear war has happened in the distant past and in the recent past only 50 years ago. Not only that, the United States alone has detonated over 1000 nuclear "test" blasts since the second world war which averages out to around one blast per fortnight since then. Add to that number the nuclear testing by the Soviets, China, France etc and the total number is likely averaging at around one blast per week over the 50 years between 1950 to 2000.

Where was the direct intervention by ETs over the last 50 years? If nuclear explosions upset the ETs then why did they let them all happen? Societies have been utterly destroyed in the past by nuclear blasts and it may yet happen again. Wilcock is mistaken about an alien intervention scenario. There is no armada of positive aliens in UFOs waiting to intervene in human affairs in the event of nuclear war or anything else. It is a lie that sounds very similar to the one where Jesus returns physically to save 'believers'. Sometimes the lie includes both. Jesus returns in an armada of UFOs to rescue 'believers'.

[Shechaiyah]

This is from Benjamin's website, most likely posted after the canceled interview.
http://benjaminfulford.com/secretgoverment.html
Bill "the Doctor"


This is not new; it's at least six months old. I remember seeing the interview in which this was stated by Fulford, on Project Camelot's site.


Shech--

[SirKnight]

The earth will not be allowed to be destroyed. :thumb_yello:

What makes you think that the earth would never be destroyed? I'am sorry but even though I (believe) that we are not alone in the Universe, this does not make me believe that some people are so special that they are in direct contact with E.T. Drawing from my life experiences, I just don't get it.

I see a lot of post like this one and just wonder if they are to heavenly minded to be any earthly good. :wink2:

[Shechaiyah]

This planet is needed as a way-station for travelers throughout the Galaxy.

The idea that we're all there is, is completely absurd.

The idea that we don't have any responsibilities toward the REST of the civilized Galaxy, is preposterous.

The idea that we'll be allowed and permitted to destroy our Home planet because the Orion Group want it for their own 5th Density selves, is also insane.

I believe in Justice, and I have seen enough evidence of extra-terrestrial life on Mars and the Moon, and on Phobos, to take it for granted, The Galaxy will not let this race of hominids burn down its own house.

No doubt, the whole Galaxy is aware what predatory and parasitic human leaders have done and are doing to this planet. And those leaders need to get GONE somehow.

I would like to help them, do that.


Shech--

[DoctorWho]

This is not new; it's at least six months old. I remember seeing the interview in which this was stated by Fulford, on Project Camelot's site.


Shech--

Bill "the Major" already let it be known this was an old article as BF doesn't date his English posts.
Bill "the Doctor"

[Brinty]

On the topic of one or no child families, think about this . . . . .

The world is in a sad state with an overpopulation of humans we are told. We are also told that the excrement is about hit the rotating blades. Something has to be done and done rather quickly. I, for the life of me, can't see any use in limiting family size from here on out. It should have been done years ago. If no more children were to be born from today onwards, how long would we have to wait for the total population to be reduced by the zillions that are spoken of by Dan Burisch?

[Shechaiyah]

I do not BELIEVE that this planet is overpopulated.

The enormous WASTE is due to corporate policy and consumerism, not to the legitimate needs of human beings.

Frances Moore Lappe in her study of this planet's ecology stated, this planet could sustain 50 BILLION humans, if we did not have parasites and predators in leadership who hoard for themselves.

Have you ever flown across the USA? It's virtually EMPTY! So's RUSSIA. So's Australia and Canada.

People have been sold this BS judgment that our planet is overpopulated; and it's simply not true. Greed and hoarding is what is true. Specialness and exclusion is what is true. Imperialism and war-mongering is what is true ... destruction of the productive capacity of the land for POLITICAL GAINS.

Filth runs this planet into the dust, and we let them.


Shech--

[MMe M]

I do not BELIEVE that this planet is overpopulated.

The enormous WASTE is due to corporate policy and consumerism, not to the legitimate needs of human beings.

Frances Moore Lappe in her study of this planet's ecology stated, this planet could sustain 50 BILLION humans, if we did not have parasites and predators in leadership who hoard for themselves.

Have you ever flown across the USA? It's virtually EMPTY! So's RUSSIA. So's Australia and Canada.

People have been sold this BS judgment that our planet is overpopulated; and it's simply not true. Greed and hoarding is what is true. Specialness and exclusion is what is true. Imperialism and war-mongering is what is true ... destruction of the productive capacity of the land for POLITICAL GAINS.

Filth runs this planet into the dust, and we let them.


Shech--

Agreed! The population control bs is simply because we screw up their view with our hovels and clog the highways with our cars. They need less of us to do the dirty work. Truth is we do not need them (top 1% wealthy) at all so they must go!

[Brinty]

I do not BELIEVE that this planet is overpopulated.



Have you ever flown across the USA? It's virtually EMPTY! So's RUSSIA. So's Australia and Canada.


Shech--

I can't vouch for the USA or Russia or Canada, but the reason that Australia is not wall to wall 1/4 acre house blocks is beacause of wall to wall stuff called sand, stones and rather large areas of rock and a climate that's extremely hot. On top of that, a serious lack of the one thing humans and most life can't do without - WATER!

[Shechaiyah]

This planet is not over-populated; that is PURE ILLUNINATI PROPAGANDA.

ONE PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE believe they own 40% of the planet.

That's crazy.

They have no more right to forty percent of this planet than the man in the moon.

Let the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers, Mellons, and Bush's GIVE IT ALL BACK.

Then there'll be enough to thrive and educated every human born.


Shech--

[Topper]

I have been checking every day since Fulford's last interview on project camelot to see his reaction to the economic crash, a subject he was talking about. When I first checked him out I thought he looked high, but didn't know what to make of it. However he was so interesting it seemed to me that he knew what he was talking about and was very sure of himself. I look forward to his next interview to hear his comments regarding the other matters he spoke of.

[Rebel4Life]

I wouldn't Believe everything BF says....I don't even trust him ;/ that's my intuition anyways.

Rebe4Life

[Celtic_Man]

I wouldn't Believe everything BF says....I don't even trust him ;/ that's my intuition anyways.

Rebe4Life

It seems to me Fulford's interviews all over the net are becoming more supportive of the Globalists as time goes by. First Rockefeller was evil and intended to create a one world government by any means necessary but now he's just a regular guy who in his heart wants to help.

And the "assassin" plan isn't discussed too much anymore. Either Fulford is a flake or someone got to him.

[2kandxii]

Well i suppose , like everything only time will tell if he is a flake or not:smoke



:smoke:

[taadev]

I wouldn't Believe everything BF says....I don't even trust him ;/ that's my intuition anyways. Rebe4Life

Ditto when he did his "don't tread on me" act in front of the 'gangsters' house?

My stomach just said, "NO!" in that instance, but the others he did a better job.... of acting perhaps?

Would that not seem to be a rather dangerous thing to do? (Claim to be a member of the Asian secret society when you were not?)

Just my 2 pennies...

[taadev]

*Please be aware that the following represents a partial analysis of this disturbing conflict. That there were equally disturbing less high tech attacks on China. This post represents a study for which other details existed that provide support for the declared enemies in the Pacific and Asian theater were not any more 'good guys' than those of the ultimate masters of my forefathers during this conflict. Other information has since been learned of the limited materials for the making of these weapons of mass destruction. This post was the result of learning of the ultimate controlling the forces of my fellow countrymen in this period; many of whom appear to have been sacrificed just to prep the public for the entrance into the of war. The atrocities committed by forces aligned with the Hitler regime showed even less respect for the sanctity of human life and human dignity, although with lessor technology.

Is anyone else concerned with Fulford's apparent belief that the Rothchild's Euro banksters are a kinder, gentler crowd?

Also, despite escalations by those men behind the curtains of the 'great and wonderful OZ' happening everyday,nothing of which he wrote or spoke has come to pass.

When one takes an even superficial look at just WWII it becomes clear his perception of the Euros could not be further from the truth. :roll1:

That together, both dynasties, financed by the Rothschilds, allowed, if not ordered, the destruction of much of Europe, England, Russia, and Japan, with the deliberate killing of millions of innocent elderly, women and children in the process. This, after making, perhaps literally, (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_rothschild04.htm) and backing the arch villain:Hitler and his Nazis (http://www.fdrs.org/rockefeller.html).

One particularly disturbing act was the destruction, via a newly developed incendiary bombs, of Dresden where the ~250,000 refugees from Germany had gathered after the Red Cross had been assured Dresden was safe haven and would not be targeted. Indeed, the masses were led to this city where the true leaders surely knew would be the place where they would also be buried, at least those remains that survived the furnace. "Very little, if anything, happens in politics or war by 'accident' or 'mistake', although much is attributed to same."

Several reasons are given as to why the ancient and culturally significant city of Dresden, deluged with non-combatant refugees from the prior bombings, was not only attacked, but the entire city literally FLATTENED and burned with incendiary bombs. (http://proliberty.com/observer/20030402.htm).

http://proliberty.com/observer/images/dresden.jpg

The numbers of dead largely non-combatant elderly, women and children survivors, refugees went as high as 250K despite the war's end being clearly in sight.

Although testing of new incendiary bombs was suggested another more cynical reason was what to do with all the refugees with which soon they would have to deal.

The other acts of completely seemingly unnecessary obliteration, happened in Fulford's neck of the woods: Japan. I've read Japanese authors ask, "We can understand the first bomb, but why the second?" There are others that beg the question, "Would NOT one off the coast have had the same result of saving American lives"? The answer to this question might lie in the limited number of these weapons at that point in time.
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Fulford, I believe, made note that they were bombed twice to break the will of the Japanese, and there likely is some truth to this, as those that survived this hell on earth did have incredible stories to tell (http://www.gensuikin.org/english/photo.html).

http://www.gensuikin.org/panel/2.jpg

However, could there also be more business like reasons for these acts of the so-called 'Total War Doctrine'?

When one studies the Freemason structure, its far reaching tentacles, ruthlessness well wrapped in philanthropy, primary business interests, methods of infiltration, incorporation into the military (http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=53365D3B0AD432AA&playnext=1), local politics, and their total annihilation tactics, other possible reasons present:
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Below is the main "Tools of the trade" of political control and wealth, symbolically represented.
(Please don't bother telling me what this symbol 'really means' as you should know double and triple talk too is a major tool of the 'adepts' slowly 'boiling' their Mason 'brothers', one degree at a time, lest they too jump from the proverbial 'pot' of the frog.)

Is this the current incarnation of the 'Feathered Serpent' of the Aztecs that DEMANDS children to be sacrificed to give his powers over others?
http://www.redicecreations.com/winterwonderland/biscione.jpg

Could it be to prime the coffers of:
1) Freemasons with the massive rebuilding efforts;
2) Bankers with the massive loans required for same;
3) 'Control of population' with disease and direct deaths that's been rumored Freemason policy for decades;
4) To allow the Masons to play 'king maker' in the destroyed countries giving a foot into the local politics due to political contributions from their newly made 'kings'; last, but certainly not least: monetary policy that allows whoever to be paid off, from the "gift that keeps giving", the Bankster's Golden Goose we call the unFederal ReserveLESS Corporation.
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This brings me to my present concern with the patterns of history, possibly, about to repeat itself, but this time in my HOMELAND: America. This concern is due to similar 'population problems' facing America, the current international media trend of casting/painting of Americans as Nazis, that could give rise to similar tactics as those used in WWII being tabled as solutions thereto. Also, noticing spinning in the international media against not just the corrupted American leaders and mainstream media, but Americans themselves. As if Americans really have had a choice other than those candidates tabled by and following the orders of, the CFR:Counsel of Foreign Relations. The latter of which has owned the American media (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPlvdSQ6cAM) and therefore the American mindset and politics for many decades.

The similar patterns are as follows:

1) The international media, indeed our 'allies' (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/jan/12/topstories3.iraq), painting Americans (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=upi20081221-102505-2329&show_article=1) in a similar manner as the Nazis, who when they return are so upset by the orders they were compelled to follow (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIWWYljYwpw) commit suicide at a rate never before seen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z0UHdhw6Q4&feature=related), [~110 per week];
2) The looming crisis of the Baby Boomers having 'lost' [or had stolen by market control & fear mongering] their retirements and home values;
3) The fact the 'evil Russians' and 'evil Chinese' have built bomb shelters for their people, while the 'good guys' have only built them for the puppet leaders. Why no shelters for the "Baby Boomers"? Why move the corporate infrastructure offshore?
4) Our government being ordered to get our military involved in skirmishes on numerous fronts, stretching our military to the point that even our national guard will be unavailable to protect the people when the architected crash is complete and the false flag racist attacks begin.
5) The very foundation of what made America special, our beloved Constitution being systematically dismantled, piece by piece. Allowing not only American forces to be used against Americans, but also those of Mexico, many of whom are taught about the act of "thefts by the Gringos", but kept unaware of the their earlier thefts from the indigenous peoples here first.

Why? The deliberate inculcation of hate between peoples.

The precedent for the use of Mexican troops was established during relief efforts for Hurricane Katrina. (http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/mexican_troops_enter_texas_armed.htm)

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Is it now our turn, to burn Baby Boomers burn (http://physics911.net/nuclearfalseflag)?

Have our leaders, both corporate and governmental, been led to their slaughter by their ever so clever masters of deception? Those who had no trouble laying waste to their 'Brother Freemasons' in Germany. If you truly think it could never happen you'd better take another look at some of the details of WWII and then honestly ask yourself if you're of any more value to these sociopaths than were the French, English, Russian, German and Japanese, and of course the those Jewish masses that were literally sacrificed in a 'burnt offering', [translation of Holocaust], to allow for a Jewish homeland?

In addition to the usual massive profits to the Banksters and Freemasons, look at all the looming 'problems' it would solve:

- Social Security 'ponzi scheme' problems with the converging 'Baby Boomers';

- "Overpopulation", with which Mexico too will struggle, and through NAFTA, have been forcing migration into the killing zone;

- Perceived and real threats to the ecosystem from the unbridled growth allowed to maximize profits from the backs of the apparently hated, by the UPPER Masons anyway: Christians.

- Massive, and increasingly unnecessary, labor pool (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1LJ8YbXMcc&feature=channel_page) that is nearing retirement, already fleeced out of the small retirements they did manage to squirrel away.

- Pressure on medical infrastructure with aging baby boomers.

- Ron Paul opening the eyes of young Americans with regards to the risks of having a taxing authority (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFVHlMulTPs) called a 'Central Bank';

- Opening eyes of Americans, of all colors, with regards to the corruption, not only in politics, but in our education system (http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=55778F98DC2B71B2&playnext=1);

- Opening eyes to the history of the Moorish culture (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ-wV2YndyI) being the basis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pUMGzo-_K0&feature=related)of the blossoming Greek culture upon which Western culture appears to be based;


1) The Rothschild's first made Hitler, perhaps literally (http://www.cephas-library.com/hitl_rothschild.html), but few deny Hitler had the Rothschild's support at the beginning.

2) Support was then handed off to their American made counterparts, the Rockefeller dynasty (http://www.fdrs.org/rockefeller.html), and here (http://www.cabotia.com/rockefeller.html).

3) After allowing Hitler to destroy much of several continents we declare economic war on Japan. This via an oil embargo, and send our Aircraft carriers South in a 'war game', out of harms way to, apparently, allow Japan to attack Pearl Harbor. This appears to have been used to make Americans see red and demand war.

Who can say the probabilities this scenario will play out? Fulford noticed there are alternative ways out of this predicament through the development of alternative energy programs and regaining control of our currency and the power intrinsic thereto.

Let's hope our leaders and theirs, come to their senses and use the financial resources available to water the hidden seeds of potential growth. Thay they allow humanity to rise above the previous fuels of recovery, war, and halt our descent into the patterns of economic and social chaos.

What better 'shield of honor' could there be to have been responsible for humanities transcendence of war and redirection of many of these resources into a new 'Phoenix' of growth, profitability and the flourishing of the predominantly good human spirit?

This planet is not over-populated; that is PURE ILLUMINATI PROPAGANDA.

ONE PERCENT OF THE PEOPLE believe they own 40% of the planet.

They have no more right to forty percent of this planet than the man in the moon.
Let the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers, Mellons, and Bush's GIVE IT ALL BACK.

Then there'll be enough to thrive and educated every human born.
Shech--

[taadev]

I agree!

They should be captured and sent to a prison island, fenced in with 24/7 guards paid for by their 'charity' organizations.

These people, some sporting Crosses, some Stars of David, but practicing ethics more consistent with those bearing the mark of Satan or Lucifer, were likely RESPONSIBLE for Hitler. A group that would just as soon kill off as many of us in another concocted war as they would flies buzzing around their stench filled ethics.


Here is what you are saying... Would it be ok to kill a few men to save millions of lives, suffering, and grief? and you gave an example... which is hitler. And my answer is that it is not that simple... but in the end it is never ok.

Right now there is two problems with this that I can see.

#1. You use Hitler and his Nazis as the reference... and that if they were "nipped in the bud" millions of lives and suffering would have not happened. Now just because millions of lives are saved in this scenario doesn't mean life on earth would be better for it. This is an assumption. Perhaps this war averted something even worse...

#2. Your second assumption close the first, in that you think that the scenario will work out exactly the same each time. This is an exemplafied scenario... given by church, hollywood, government, and so forth. The general idea being that if you go out and kill the baddies life gets better for everyone. This approach has never ever worked through out history. Just look at iraq and afghanistan...

The problem is with the soil... greed, contempt, complacency, and whatnot is generates the environment for these types of things to happen. So kill one million "baddies"... they will just keep on coming back, like the teeth in a sharks mouth. As long as that shark has food to eat those teeth will keep coming back. But starve that shark of its prey... and it will whither away or leave to different waters.

And yes... in history there have been times where peacefull peoples have been conquered ruthlessly. The spanish inquisition is a good example... it could have been karmic... or something necessary for humanity to learn something about itself. I dont have all the answers... again its not that simple... but i will tell you this. All things happen as they should.

[dayzero]

It's almost impossible to actually read the colorful ranting above, as it's so angry, but i got through some of it.
And don't get me wrong - agree with you on a fair few things.

Not sure what you mean with Dresden, it was us, the British, with Bomber Harris in command, who finally flipped after the mass bombing of our cities over and over by the awful Nazis. Didn't make it right, but that's how it was.
Just because some history has been falsified, doesn't mean all of it has to be.

These days, all you hear about is Dresden. Not Coventry, or Birmingham or London or Liverpool or practically everywhere else in the UK.
And don't give me that 'just when the end was in sight' business, far too easy to see with hindsight.


Anyway, back to the OP - anyone heard from Fulford recently?

[taadev]

Sorry about that! Yes, the colors and sizes were more than a little over the top and it was written too soon after doing the research.

Anger did follow the initial shock of finding out my beliefs were more than a little off. Then seeing the myriad of interests where money was concerned too was a bit shocking. This was not long after learning of the evidence of those who supported Hitler, from both sides of the ocean, and learning he offered to release the soon to be killed families for a measly $1000 per family. That's a lot for anyone with a heart to learn about and I'm sure many others, especially those Jewish, too go through the same cycle of emotions.

What are the chances of getting the media and history books to show a more complete story? The lack of either showing this means humanity will be going down this trail again.


On the more current dilemma, I hope we've not gone too far down the economic toilet to stop the fall. Most importantly, the families behind all this planned carnage are superceded by members that will not just cease, but who knows, perhaps offer to pitch in some resources. To help by using their wealth to turn this place around on the burning of fossil fuels and make their bundles bigger, as Fulford suggested by creatng new industries in the countries where the technology is created.

I agree with the false history, but have now learned one must be as careful with books from the library as those found via the Internet.

It's almost impossible to actually read the colorful ranting above, as it's so angry, but i got through some of it.
And don't get me wrong - agree with you on a fair few things.

Not sure what you mean with Dresden, it was us, the British, with Bomber Harris in command, who finally flipped after the mass bombing of our cities over and over by the awful Nazis. Didn't make it right, but that's how it was. Just because some history has been falsified, doesn't mean all of it has to be.

These days, all you hear about is Dresden. Not Coventry, or Birmingham or London or Liverpool or practically everywhere else in the UK.
And don't give me that 'just when the end was in sight' business, far too easy to see with hindsight.

Anyway, back to the OP - anyone heard from Fulford recently?

[taadev]

It's almost impossible to actually read the colorful ranting above, as it's so angry, but i got through some of it.


Part of the problem is the way the 'minty' versus standard CSS is written that you cannot have both readable and a 'friend' pointed that out and I've been wasting time trying to have my minty and standard too. :)

I also hope you can see there is NO disrespect intended to anyone but those non-people that foist this **** on us.
(And the poor souls 'educated' by only that glowing box we call the BOOB tube.)

The biggest probem here is a lot of them are wearing badges and consider people like me 'anti-American' which is complete BS, but try 'splainen' that to them....

[Ashatav]

The idiots who control a lot of organizations of the earth in pos to do more idiot doings want to the people hate the jews, like before the second world war when they spreaded the "protocols of the elders of zion" and buy the german land for almost nothing making the people hate them.


That's because the (real) jews -not the sabbateans who are part of the idiotness of the world and They are the ones who control the state of israel and are attacking the palestinians in the big concentration camp who is Gaza- are knowers of the "Father", the Torah Jews.
:mad3: :lol3:


Anti-cheers!

[777 The Great Work]

The idiots who control a lot of organizations of the earth in pos to do more idiot doings want to the people hate the jews, like before the second world war when they spreaded the "protocols of the elders of zion" and buy the german land for almost nothing making the people hate them.


That's because the (real) jews -not the sabbateans who are part of the idiotness of the world and They are the ones who control the state of israel and are attacking the palestinians in the big concentration camp who is Gaza- are knowers of the "Father", the Torah Jews.
:mad3: :lol3:


Anti-cheers!

The jews are not a race of people and never have been.They gave a sect of people an identity in 1948 to instill this idea.Jew was and is any soul that has awakened their conciousness.

The real term was and is IEUO, all the sacred vowels that it take to say a word. There is no J in the hebrew alphabet. Ieou was also hidden name of the divine. The gentiles are those who are still sleep,today we call them sheeple.Inner court of the temple ie brain is reserved for the IEOUS and the outer court for the gentiles or the sheeple. This is all spiritual teachings that the material thinker interprets as literal.

I was raised in the church and i hated it.Once i found out that all of theses thing are spiritually discerned, i realized that the work must be done internally. I still have a long way to go, but once i surrendered and stop labeling things,the higher meanings began to reveal themselves.


There Are No Evil People, Only Misguided Actions .It takes time to heal, but if you don't fan the fires of hatred and misunderstanding healing does began.

[taadev]

Anyone else forced to use multiple submits with errors inbetween that allow posts to occur in duplicate/
Also must use the following script to clear the TCP/IP tables that seemed to get clogged quite often:

-----------copy/past the following into a file
with a "xxx.bat file name
rem Flush DNS Resolver
ipconfig /flushdns

rem Reset Winsock Catelog
netsh winsock reset
-----------------Stop one line before here---------------------
When your browser stops working run the preceding script to prevent having to reboot


This 'how to' message replaced a double post from a problem that has been plaguing my system after it was changed; remote access to your system is a matter of fact.
(As are 'man-in-the-middle' wireless attacks that allow access to your 'secured' banking systems.)

Could this be how Billy Gates weaseled out of his monopoly law suit? (e.g. By providing 'bugs' that allow remote access to our WINDOWS based systems?

Yet another example of the "Oops Business Model" where Oops we left he back door open.

Could this be why China REFUSES to use Windows without full source code?

Almost every single link that is clicked required a second click to take care of error. When the above tables are clogged access is blocked until a reboot.

This script will prevent you from having to do this time wasteing process.

[taadev]

Hello Ashtav,
This is an old and common misconception as The Protocols of Scion, have nothing to do with Zionism, and have been used against me.

While it was a surprise to find out they're conspiracy FACT, they were kids of Italians, a few non-practicing 'Jews', and many the children of several very materially successful, but morally bankrupt, Freemasons. (LARGE building contractors)

As this is a Benjamin Fulford thread this will be cut short after leaving the details of the onslaught against the family of an American truth FINDER below. One of the same that Fulford claimed was being offered the protection of the Chinese Secret Societies that should be well established in my home town areas. (ie. If a 'Truth Seeker' cannot find the alleged refuge in the San Francisco Bay Area you can rest assured that of which Fulford speaks is for other purposes than he claims; it's quite possible he is unaware of his true purpose.)

Calling Benjamin Fulford, where are these protectors against the EVIL incarnate that have taken over not only America, but most of the western world? My children have been assaulted as have those of countless others; this needs to STOP and it's going on around the world and was started in EUROPE.

Where are these protectors with the courage and conviction to battle for that which is right and moral?

With Love and Regards,

Timothy

ps. Note the exact locations within the Svali interview of the types of brainwashing inflicted upon the Illuminati insiders are noted below. Therefrom you can extrapolate those inflicted upon the families and children of outsiders.

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Cooberating details with the Svali interview:

This 'psyop' type of harassment included Blue Lodge Masons, police/fire, for 'Street Theater', sanitizing reports on faked car accidents, and kiddie 'infiltrators' to split my family. These kids were as young as middle school, but one was placed, a so-called 'sleeper', in grade school and was Persian.[/FONT] It's likely they've kids of all persuasions as even Chinese and Japanese were used; however by and large they were Lilly white Caucasians.)
Listen to SVALI (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8914798423780824846) for details, as the story she related correlates quite well with the patterns of harassment inflicted upon my children and family.

It's a natural reaction when one realizes this is going on to try to move your child to friends that precede the perceived beginning of the harassment. This to look for safety of your children into those of other races of another safer time. However, this is folly as the [COLOR="Cyan"]these young infiltrators come from all countries, races, colors and creeds; worse their backup plans have backup plans and in my case were as old as my children.

How does this continue to function, on the ground, with most people being of good heart? In a word LIES about the target.

Those manifesting the evil of Lucifer tell the blacks you're a racist, Jews you're an 'anti-Semite', Blue Lodge Masons, including fire department, your 'believed' to be a criminal that has just not been caught. (Most of the latter know this is baloney, but few know of the leveraging and extreme abuse and harm inflicted on those least able to defend themselves: children.

Psychological harm occurs on both sides of the equation; even the those of the Illuminati who have been prepared via a very old recipe to prepare them for the evil they must inflict and to ensure obedience. Including threatening with child sacrifice to traumatize them into keeping quiet. Again, Svali pt.1 goes into the details as to how this is accomplished at the Vatican (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ-DkS-XOOM). (Seek to 4:00 for details as to the 'Sealing Ceremony' in this case at twelve years old; seek here to (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXG7siz2snM&feature=related) 6:25; this is just one example of the types of brainwashing inflicted on these young and innocent souls; this one "SVALI", at the tender age of two years old, by the one she trusted most: her mother.)

The idiots who control a lot of organizations of the earth in pos to do more idiot doings want to the people hate the jews, like before the second world war when they spreaded the "protocols of the elders of zion" and buy the german land for almost nothing making the people hate them.

That's because the (real) jews -not the sabbateans who are part of the idiotness of the world and They are the ones who control the state of israel and are attacking the palestinians in the big concentration camp who is Gaza- are knowers of the "Father", the Torah Jews.
:mad3: :lol3:

Anti-cheers!

[orthodoxymoron]

[QUOTE=Ashatav;101136]The idiots who control a lot of organizations of the earth in pos to do more idiot doings want to the people hate the jews, like before the second world war when they spreaded the "protocols of the elders of zion" and buy the german land for almost nothing making the people hate them.

That's because the (real) jews -not the sabbateans who are part of the idiotness of the world and They are the ones who control the state of israel and are attacking the palestinians in the big concentration camp who is Gaza- are knowers of the "Father", the Torah Jews.
:mad3: :lol3:

Could someone direct me to the best source of information regarding the various types of Jews? They seem to get blamed for just about everything...from the Crucifixion of Christ to World War II! I thought the Torah was morally superior to the Talmud. Who follows the Old Testament God most closely? I would think that the Talmud Jews might be considered by some to be the bad-guys. How close (in philosophy and purpose) is Jerusalem to Rome? They worked together to eliminate Christ (at least aspects or factions of each did so). I don't care about bloodlines. I do care about philosophical lines. Can good be consistently traced throughout history? Can evil be consistently traced throughout history? Who has consistently been associated with each?

Benjamin Fulford had enough clout to get an interview with David Rockefeller. He even asked him about Ron Paul's plan to eliminate the Federal Reserve! You should see the shocked and sickened look on David's face! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruSqkSAdWUw&feature=related I don't trust anyone...Rockefeller, Bush, Obama, Fulford...or even myself.

[no caste]

Could someone direct me to the best source of information regarding the various types of Jews? They seem to get blamed for just about everything...from the Crucifixion of Christ to World War II! I thought the Torah was morally superior to the Talmud. Who follows the Old Testament God most closely? I would think that the Talmud Jews might be considered by some to be the bad-guys. How close (in philosophy and purpose) is Jerusalem to Rome? They worked together to eliminate Christ (at least aspects or factions of each did so). I don't care about bloodlines. I do care about philosophical lines. Can good be consistently traced throughout history? Can evil be consistently traced throughout history? Who has consistently been associated with each?

Hi Orthodoxymoron - It's complex historically. At the time of Jesus Christ there were I think 4 sects only 3 of which I remember, Essenes, Sadducees, Pharisees. The Torah is the original Word (Pentateuch, the first 5 books of the Old Testament) and the Talmud is a compilation of law etc. The Pharisees were in a cozy power arrangement with Herod/Rome, and Jesus thought it was a corrupt partnership, hence, the storming of the temple where there was a lot of merchanting - den of thieves - stuff going on.

I always thought Jesus kicked butt in this regard, the western world's most excellent social activist goes berserk. The Essenes are the Dead Sea Scrolls in the caves recluse ascetic group who pulled away from society. Jesus's 'lost' years are said to have been spent in India with Buddhist influence - but that may be lore. Anyway, the Torah and Talmud aren't really separate things; there's more too, like one key ancient scholar whose name I can't remember right now and his annotations to the sacred books.

The blood line is important via King David and via mothers still. Philosophically, the lines split at Abraham into Judaism (Sarah/wife, Isaac)> Christianity (Isaac>Jesus)> Islam (Hagar/Egyptian maid, Ismael). I don't know if good can be traced throughout history; same for evil, except the absense of certain stories in western culture makes me suspicious.

Is knowledge a bad thing? Who determines? My opinion is that people are what they are - we all have choices. It doesn't matter on the belief, or position in society. So good and evil seem to swing all ways depending on the person and maybe even the time in a person's life.

Speaking from a 'consistency' point of view, er, it seems Christians have a lot to answer for to me, e.g. conquest of the Americas, the wealth and political intrigue of the Catholic Church, the Inquisition, the snootiness about other religions and cultures, meddling. Yet, some of the best humanitarian work I see is done by servants of Jesus Christ.

I don't know the inside story on Judaism. My dad says that becoming merchants was one of the few occupations for Jews in Europe because Jewish peoples were not allowed to own land. Anyway, the options historically were limited by Christian culture.

My view is we're all in the soup together. :original:

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THAT'S what I was getting at!!!! Sins of omission! Historically, it's a big deal. Ben Fulford by all accounts is very fluid in Japanese and Asian cultures - so that makes his perspective very different from our usual pap I'd presume. Think of the languages alone, even without the customs and land.

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You have a good point about Fulford getting an interview with Rockefeller, but on the other hand what better way to get him an audience?

The 'True Torah' Jews are the minority and there seem to be many different sects of Jewish.

Your trust comment is saddening, but fully understood. These days it's made very complicated by the world of 'Satanist' mind control (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=opera&rls=en&hs=86B&q=%27Satanist%27+mind+control&btnG=Search) and the ever growing mountain of information and disinformation from the Internet; especially for truth finders. It's a hard task to sort through the garbage even for an experienced researcher, let alone the masses that have a hard time with just using a computer.

If you can quiet the mind from all the garbage of the day, the media, school, and you're truly of good heart, and act with selflessness you'll be shown the truth from within. You're life will never be the same.

Perhaps he's being used to spread the 'Euros' are lesser of two weasels propaganda; it's curiously in tandem with the International media. Fulford's audience is almost the anti-TV and retrieves their info from the sites of their choice not spoon fed to them via the boob tube. (The 'conspiracy theorists' arm of the 'Americans had it coming programming' to prepare for the results of WWIII.) Youtube has lit up with their racist postings to further stir the pot of hate.

The ugly part of Rothschild's American revolution may have been kicked on New Years Day. Or was it tested?
We've a cop shooting in the back, a restrained, unarmed, and last but not least BLACK person, lying flat on his face on the concrete. That cop looked at his partner like "Gosh why DID I do that?”

Was that cop was a Mind Control victim, as per Svali and Leo Zagami's testimony? Sure looked like it was quite possible based on that sheepish look.

The part of the American Constitution the evil bastards MUST leave in place is the right to not self incriminate or the baddies would be caught with Brain fingerprints.

In the modern Western culture the Illuminati used the device called “offshoring” to weaken, if not crash the economy. (Then inform the rest of the world of the massive corruption and questions around 9/11, drug smuggling, Freemasonry and everything else under the American sun. Is the 'POT STIRRING' part of the game?

The Roman Patriarchs, were advised to 'increase profits' by replacing their local workforce with too many slaves from their conquests. The effect was the same and Obama has promised to stop this, but will he move fast enough?


The idiots who control a lot of organizations of the earth in pos to do more idiot doings want to the people hate the jews, like before the second world war when they spreaded the "protocols of the elders of zion" and buy the german land for almost nothing making the people hate them.

That's because the (real) jews -not the sabbateans who are part of the idiotness of the world and They are the ones who control the state of israel and are attacking the palestinians in the big concentration camp who is Gaza- are knowers of the "Father", the Torah Jews.
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Could someone direct me to the best source of information regarding the various types of Jews? They seem to get blamed for just about everything...from the Crucifixion of Christ to World War II! I thought the Torah was morally superior to the Talmud. Who follows the Old Testament God most closely? I would think that the Talmud Jews might be considered by some to be the bad-guys. How close (in philosophy and purpose) is Jerusalem to Rome? They worked together to eliminate Christ (at least aspects or factions of each did so). I don't care about bloodlines. I do care about philosophical lines. Can good be consistently traced throughout history? Can evil be consistently traced throughout history? Who has consistently been associated with each?

Benjamin Fulford had enough clout to get an interview with David Rockefeller. He even asked him about Ron Paul's plan to eliminate the Federal Reserve! You should see the shocked and sickened look on David's face! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruSqkSAdWUw&feature=related I don't trust anyone...Rockefeller, Bush, Obama, Fulford...or even myself.