Project Camelot video interview with Dr Bill Deagle

[Oiran]

"This is something that's really shocking for a lot of people that think the New World Order is run by a bunch of rich, inbred white guys from Europe. We're dealing with transdimensional entities and beings from other worlds that even transcend the idea of the Annunaki... There is a galactic order and a cosmic order to things... beings that have been watching our world, certainly very aghast with the battle field that's been going on on the psychic level, the physical level, the informational level, etc, it's been on every possible level you can imagine. And we're caught in the clutches, literally, of being on the battle line of a great galactic and cosmic war, literally a star war...

That star war has been going on for ages with previous collapses of our civilizations caused by these same creatures. What's happening now, though, is that the human beings are either getting to the point where we're almost ready to be "birthed" or be annaliated and the decision is going to require a change in attitude of people, not in technology to get us through this, but an attitude change in terms of the core connectedness of people to their higher ordered self... understanding the nature of what they are as beings and the nature of the universe." ~Bill Deagle (9.24.08)

http://projectcamelot.org/bill_deagle_24_sept_2008.mp3

[Dominic]

Bill Is so awesome with his knowledge.

I feel the birthing more every day.

I Imagine a great a great future every minute.

Cheers

[Ashatav]

Bill Is so awesome with his knowledge.

I feel the birthing more every day.

I Imagine a great a great future every minute.


Yeah, that's the point. :roll1:

Cheers

[Bill Ryan]

Hi, All:

http://projectcamelot.org/bill_deagle.html

http://projectcamelot.org/bill_deagle_cover.jpg

Few in the UFO/ Consipracy/ Disclosure movement are as controversial as Dr Bill Deagle. Outspoken, brilliant and passionate, he has generated as many critics as he has made committed friends.

We're well aware of this controversy. This three part video is essential viewing - we suggest - for anyone who has criticized this man. We stand behind his testimony: inasmuch as there's nothing we know which contradicts anything he has said. On the other hand, the more we learn, the more we find we're able to validate the whistleblower testimony that Bill Deagle reports.

The video presents a different side to Bill Deagle. We engage him in conversation (and hold our own!) and we believe we have succeeded in bringing out the human being, the warm and caring side to him, that aspect of someone who in his passion for the truth, and for the potential splendor and magnificence of the human race, has sometimes spoken in terms so strong that some have found him hard to hear.

He is a Prophet of modern times: but many misunderstand that term. A Prophet is not a seer or a fortune teller. A Prophet - in the original meaning of the word, and the way Bill Deagle uses it - is someone who says: "This is what's likely to occur if we don't wake up or shape up." In that mission, Camelot shares and supports his stand.

Very best to all, Bill

[Kerry Cassidy]

On whistle blowers and their role:

Many people take a very vindictive approach to Dr. Bill Deagle and his information. This is somewhat understandable but unfortunate.

I want to make clear our view on Dr. Deagle as well as others of his kind. The following is a reply I sent to David Wilcock in response to his position regarding Deagle. I felt it was important enough to reprint here:

Whistleblowers are people who have spent all or large parts of their lives working for the negative agenda. Once they become whistle blowers it behooves us to welcome them, with Christ-like forgiveness and acceptance, knowing they are reflections of ourselves, come home.

In Deagle's case, we have been to his home and met his lovely wife and family... Regardless of what you think of his ability to see the future accurately he is speaking the truth as he knows it, has a vast intellect and is acting true to his own inner dictates. In addition, if you take the time to listen to him, you will find much of his material matches your own very closely including his conclusion that we create our reality.

As a medical doctor, Deagle may be giving humanity a somewhat dire prognosis for the future, but he is doing it in the spirit of prophets of all time, so that humanity will wake up and see the error in their ways before they go down a road from which their is no return. As you know, the aim of prophecy is warning not that of passing sentence.

On a side note, he was not "wrong" yet... He never said on October 7th that anything would happen.. other than the downturn of the markets which as we all know happened...

You must walk the walk if you are going to talk the talk. If we turn away whistle blowers because of their pasts where would we all be? Who will cast the first stone?

Deagle is no different in this respect than Daniel or Henry Deacon. He is coming forward talking about the truth as told to him by MANY whistle blowers from black projects who shared their information... and he is coming forward very brave in spirit -- against great criticism and derision -- Yes, he may be verbose and his views may tilt in a direction you do not agree with.. but here is a soul who is doing his best to reveal the dark agenda to the masses and we need to acknowledge him for this.

This dimension is full of both the light and dark and embracing one to the exclusion of the other will only perpetuate the polarization of consciousness and defeat our purpose.

Blessings,

Kerry

[Jenny]

It took me some time to listen and watch the interview.

I am convinced Bill Deagle is well informed on what is going on in the Real real world.

His advice on religion, whatever religion or =isme, struck me most as being truth.


How to come out of religion and into spirituality will be the pivotal transition of this time. NOW.
The transition of the Heart is what will save each and everyone of us and we do it ourselves.

Reconnect and build a personal relationship with the infinite magnificent being you are and craft your future.
Anything else is futile and a lie.

That is sound and good advice.

Getting there...we need to heal our emotions and feelings in which we are traumatized and damaged.
Emotions and feelings are the vehicle of the Heart and reacting out of pain is going to create more pain.
Healing the pain and suffering is not just a personal task, it is also affecting the collective body of humanity; what you do to one person, yourself to begin with, you do to all of mankind and every sentient being.

[ad.johnson]

I noticed this just got posted. To add to whatever he said in the interview, please also look at this discussion Deagle took part in last year. I think you will find it most revealing.

http://www.checktheevidence.com/cms/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=45

I hope people keep looking at ALL the evidence THEMSELVES and not let other people do it for them. I try very hard to look at the evidence directly whenever possible.

[Jenny]

merged threads.

Please check first and use the search function.

Thanks a lot!

:original:

[Labratinaz]

Interesting interview...

Bill and Kerry, you need to go with an outline ahead of time to keep Dr. Deagle on task. He seems to stray too often and doesn't keep to the line of conversation. It is good to hear his stories but his stories dilute the message he is trying to tell us.

Peace

[franciejones]

Love this interview so much (as I do all of Bill and Kerrys interviews).Thanks so much to Bill and Kerry for their VERY hard work and commitment. Thanks so much to Bill Deagle for sharing what he knows and for the obvious care he has for all of the beings in the universe.

Bill and Kerry- you are a wonderful team and I wish I had as much guts as the both of you do to commit myself to such an undertaking. You both mean so much to me and my like-minded friends. I cannot thank you enough and I hope to connect with you guys some day if it is in the cards.

Warmest regards,

Francie Jones

[xenomorph]

Interesting interview...

Bill and Kerry, you need to go with an outline ahead of time to keep Dr. Deagle on task. He seems to stray too often and doesn't keep to the line of conversation. It is good to hear his stories but his stories dilute the message he is trying to tell us.

Peace

I agree. He rarely let Kerry complete a statement or question before he was talking over her. He may have had some good information to present, but his style of presentation needs quite a bit of polishing. After a few phrases of on-topic responses, he was distracted again. I personally find the argument that people cannot handle the truth all at once very condescending and quite possibly as an excuse for not having the truth. I for one wish people who supposedly have great revealing information would simply come out with it. The interview, if it could be called that, was losing me in the first half with all the rambling and self-referencing but definitely picked up a bit toward the end when he seemed to gain a bit more focus.

[DiVineEnvy]

Thank you, Bill and Kerry for covering what Dr. Deagle had to say with intelligence and for creating a space filled with presence and engaged listening. This is very rare in webcast journalism, and handled here with finesse. I've been tuning in to Deagle's radio shows on and off for over two years, but had not till now heard the various strands of his message woven together so succinctly. I have to say that you have indeed managed to draw out another side of Deagle which is not so obvious from his other public presentations. This is refreshing.


part 2 don't work for me

The Part-2 YouTube link from PC is bad. Try this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAbZUZX-EUw

[skyrimirre]

Even though I find Dr. Deagle's point of view mostly correct, I'd have to say I vary 180 degrees from him on the issue of timelines. I believe that there are multiple different timelines leading out of the sort of knotted or cross-sectioned space of "end times" we are currently making our way through.

I think that is why it is difficult to say that everyone needs to ascribe to
one agreed upon notion of what is going on as it can differ from individual to individual.

But there are alot of things that do need pointing out so that people can make decisions on their own and generally raise their awarenesses. Yes, leave religion in the past and connect with your own divinity. That is
the best thing anyone could do for themselves.

[recallone]

part 2 don't work for me

Yeah, sorry. I couldn't make it past part two either. Something about his knowing everything about everything raises my eyebrows. Didn't feel right. I couldn't make it all the way through part 2 for this reason. I'm not saying anything untoward about him, simply that he doesn't resonate for me.

The galactic courtroom where our world's fate is decided like some kind of Roman gladiator bout? - thumbs up or thumbs down? And he was called to this council three times? For some reason, I feel that individuals subpoenaed as representatives of the human race would have a lot more resonance amongst the population they presume to represent. I don't feel that with him.

I've been very neutral about Deagle and all of the witnesses from Camelot, so I was reluctant to even comment at all on this. But if the next level has less to do with intellect and more to do with feeling (honoring your own intuition), I felt compelled to share my feeling with all of you. Maybe someone is on the fence about his input - possibly feeling inadequate to doubt him based on his education and experience and their lack thereof, merely acquiescing to his alleged more informed perspective. I don't want to see anyone jump in to raving about the emperors new clothes if their heart is telling them otherwise. That's all.

Peace to all.
recallone

[historycircus]

Great interview - Dr. Deagle's time in front of the Project Camelot cameras has been a long time coming.

I think that the most important part of his message is the notion that now is the time we take stock in ourselves and the world we have created. I found in his words the confirmation of my long held personal belief that spiritual AND physical preparation for rough times is absolutely necessary. I think we all feel it.

I was also struck by the terminology he used, emphasizing the importance of a "relationship" instead of a religion. That statement is an Earth shaker when you unpack it.

[elsinorelore]

Discernment!!!!!!

[Seeker Mom]

:mfr_lol:He says Hillary Clinton has a 'demonic presence.' Well, finally something to make me feel better about her losing the primary (actually it was stolen from her, but that's for another thread). Now I wonder what he would say about Obama? Snake-like? Weasel-ly? Jesus?

I have no idea what to think of this.

I think I need a drink. :naughty:

[deb003]

Hi,
Would someone explain what you think he meant by Obama being a messianic in his thinking?
I'm sorry. since there wasn't more talk on that, I was wondering what that meant.

Thanks.

[Magii]

Who/What to believe ?

Bill Deagle
George Green
John Lear
St Clair
David Wilcock
"Henry Deacon"
Dan Buricsh

the list goes on .. this new Deagle interview = massive confusion

:sad:

[historycircus]

Hi,
Would someone explain what you think he meant by Obama being a messianic in his thinking?
I'm sorry. since there wasn't more talk on that, I was wondering what that meant.

Thanks.

There is a messianic overtone to the "Obama package" being sold in this election. He is billed as a savior, and bills himself, in a way, as a savior - the great hope. Also, whether you believe in it or not, many religious texts speak of the one who comes offering false hope - those who subscribe to the Jewish/Christian traditions will know him as "anti-Christ." The Luciferians thumb their nose at the devine, and their prince will, according to many theories - including Dr. Deagle's - be a mocking antithesis of the messiah figures of modern monotheistic systems.

Hope that sort of answers your question.

[historycircus]

Who/What to believe ?

Bill Deagle
George Green
John Lear
St Clair
David Wilcock
"Henry Deacon"
Dan Buricsh

the list goes on .. this new Deagle interview = massive confusion

:sad:

If the lie is different at every level, these folks represent an incredible cross-section of those levels. None have the complete truth, but they each have enough for us to start putting together a big picture. Our job, as Avalonians, is to synthesize for ourselves that big picture. Not just a job, but a duty - to ourselves, each other, and those who are not yet awake.

[fox222]

that was so much info and all over the place. I have to listen to it again. Next time, lets take one subject at a time. Maybe I will feel differently after watching it again. Oh, well, Bill had to watch the granada forum 7 times. :mfr_omg::cup::cup:


lots of info

[fox222]

Anyone know good links on PINDAR. Are there any pics of him? Is he a reptile? I can't find much on this guy.

[deb003]

Thank you History!!

[Suriel]

I also believe that all your answers are within your heart and soul.

I didn't get anything beneficial out this material. And the philosophy and spirituality is all wrong. To much wasted energy on unnecessary mental constructs created by human civilization. There is no key element of evidence or substantial quality to the direction of spiritual philosophy. Way way way off course.

He's getting there but he is missing the target. To understand life on this planet, there must be an understanding of how everything works in the universe. And the universe is vast. Current events in America can change instantly due to energies created by you. Yes, I mean you. the person reading this.

The expression of multiple timelines allows the Soul to experience life on every level possible. There are many multiple life timelines, not just one. And what occurs, depends on the level of your spiritual growth and where you are at the time. Although we are all connected, we are also learning about ourselves and the infinite possibilities of creative expression. These experiences stretch accross many dimensions.

Earth is the lowest vibration. Energy is the source of everything. The spirit is also part of this energy. There is much more I can say... but I will save if or later. Anyway, gloom and doom won't happen folks. But it will happen if you create it for yourself. You are what you manifest.

Kevin (Suriel - Messenger of Light)

[historycircus]

Anyone know good links on PINDAR. Are there any pics of him? Is he a reptile? I can't find much on this guy.

"Pindar" is pretty elusive on the net. I will probably have to go back to the Deagle material and re-listen to the comments on Pindar - I remember "Pindar" was mentioned in passing.

Anyway, this site discusses the person, Pindar, the great Greek poet of the Olympiad:

http://plato-dialogues.org/tools/char/pindar.htm

Here is a blog that discusses the PINDAR facility in connection with Leo Zagami – read with caution folks:

http://achtdagenineenweek.blogspot.com/2006/12/news-about-p-i-n-d-r-leo-lyon-zagami.html

This guy is confusing in his discussion that follows, but he uses the Zagami stuff – again, read with caution:

http://www.illuminati-news.com/111906b.htm

This site argues that “Pindar” has its/his/her origins in the books of David Icke:

http://www.greatdreams.com/reptlan/pindar.htm

Same guy, same stuff, snazzier presentation:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/reptiles/reptiles01.htm

Then, there is this guy - enjoy:insane::insane::insane::insane::insane::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeP-wvpD5ew


And that’s it – these the only significant definitions of the word “Pindar” that can be found with the effort I’m willing to expend at this moment. Anyone else?

[jujumon]

Although I appreciate Bill and Kerry's efforts in all the work they have done, I am beginning to think, especially with Bill Deagle's Interview, that they are interjecting themselves into the interview way too much. Its great to steer the interviewee in the direction to get the most out of him, but I think agreeing and disagreeing with him during the interview makes it more of a conversation rather than a way to extract information from him. In fact it may even be better to get a list of specific questions from members here before an interview so as to make the interviews more productive. just my 2 cents worth..

Good journalism requires that the interviewer be neutral, at least seem neutral anyway

[fox222]

"Pindar" is pretty elusive on the net. I will probably have to go back to the Deagle material and re-listen to the comments on Pindar - I remember "Pindar" was mentioned in passing.

Anyway, this site discusses the person, Pindar, the great Greek poet of the Olympiad:

http://plato-dialogues.org/tools/char/pindar.htm

Here is a blog that discusses the PINDAR facility in connection with Leo Zagami – read with caution folks:

http://achtdagenineenweek.blogspot.com/2006/12/news-about-p-i-n-d-r-leo-lyon-zagami.html

This guy is confusing in his discussion that follows, but he uses the Zagami stuff – again, read with caution:

http://www.illuminati-news.com/111906b.htm

This site argues that “Pindar” has its/his/her origins in the books of David Icke:

http://www.greatdreams.com/reptlan/pindar.htm

Same guy, same stuff, snazzier presentation:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sumer_anunnaki/reptiles/reptiles01.htm

Then, there is this guy - enjoy:insane::insane::insane::insane::insane::

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeP-wvpD5ew


And that’s it – these the only significant definitions of the word “Pindar” that can be found with the effort I’m willing to expend at this moment. Anyone else?

thanks historycircus

[historycircus]

I didn't get anything beneficial out this material. And the philosophy and spirituality is all wrong. To much wasted energy on unnecessary mental constructs created by human civilization. There is no key element of evidence or substantial quality to the direction of spiritual philosophy. Way way way off course.

If spirituality, as Deagle defined it, is about the personal relationship with the divine, and not about an organized, uniform perception of the unseen world/s, then "hypocritical" becomes a label for his truth you cannot defend. There is an element of free will in that philosophy that I cannot help but to admire.

We each define our own course - only we know if we veer from it.

[Rabboni]

I recently watched the latest interview with Dr Deagle on YouTube (which by the way, Part II is unavailable)....

I want to bring to the forum's attention a possible anomalous event. In Part III at approx the 36:17 minute mark, in the background, I think it's a mirror perhaps a doorway, you'll see a red and white blinking light appear to "float" from left to the right, then rise slightly, and then disappear?

Is this a reflection of the camera lights flashing, or something "unearthly?"

Keep up the great work Bill and Kerry, the world is a better place because of you two.

Rabboni

[Spinner]

Interesting, but I think extremely contradictory.
He says we are in danger of losing our spirits.
I think he gets carried away with his bragging.
I love Project Camelot's work, but found this interview disappointing.

[Magii]

I also believe that all your answers are within your heart and soul.

I didn't get anything beneficial out this material. And the philosophy and spirituality is all wrong. To much wasted energy on unnecessary mental constructs created by human civilization. There is no key element of evidence or substantial quality to the direction of spiritual philosophy. Way way way off course.

He's getting there but he is missing the target. To understand life on this planet, there must be an understanding of how everything works in the universe. And the universe is vast. Current events in America can change instantly due to energies created by you. Yes, I mean you. the person reading this.

The expression of multiple timelines allows the Soul to experience life on every level possible. There are many multiple life timelines, not just one. And what occurs, depends on the level of your spiritual growth and where you are at the time. Although we are all connected, we are also learning about ourselves and the infinite possibilities of creative expression. These experiences stretch accross many dimensions.

Earth is the lowest vibration. Energy is the source of everything. The spirit is also part of this energy. There is much more I can say... but I will save if or later. Anyway, gloom and doom won't happen folks. But it will happen if you create it for yourself. You are what you manifest.

Kevin (Suriel - Messenger of Light)


Can we get Bill / Kerry to interview Kevin ?!

:wink2:

[whittet]

Deagle... please, Moses reincarnate goes on vacation to Las Vegas. This is absurd.

[Squeptikal]

Interesting, but I think extremely contradictory.
He says we are in danger of losing our spirits.
I think he gets carried away with his bragging.
I love Project Camelot's work, but found this interview disappointing.

This one is straining for credibility. It's not like I want to pick and choose who I believe in, and this man seems like he's selling something. Now don't get your feathers rustled, but he's also of the same religious spawn that I was once married to and I can see with startling clarity the falseness, broken and fragmented flow, and way too much gesticulating for someone who's fully in his own confidence.

I do not apologize for my statements on this. This man seems extremely full of himself and his claims are threatening and repeating other information and not much new here. Oxycontin? What? This is burst-mode repeating with little outside correlation and revealing some really quacky stuff.

Oklahoma city left a ground print of a horizon-glide smart MOAB not a nuclear weapon! Major discrepancy here!

"People don't know we were minutes away from a thermonuclear exchange".

Bill & Kerry: Please be careful! This is not factual information...

[whalerider]

This one is straining for credibility. It's not like I want to pick and choose who I believe in, and this man seems like he's selling something. Now don't get your feathers rustled, but he's also of the same religious spawn that I was once married to and I can see with startling clarity the falseness, broken and fragmented flow, and way too much gesticulating for someone who's fully in his own confidence.

I do not apologize for my statements on this. This man seems extremely full of himself and his claims are threatening and repeating other information and not much new here. Oxycontin? What? This is burst-mode repeating with little outside correlation and revealing some really quacky stuff.

Oklahoma city left a ground print of a horizon-glide smart MOAB not a nuclear weapon! Major discrepancy here!

"People don't know we were minutes away from a thermonuclear exchange".

Bill & Kerry: Please be careful! This is not factual information...

I just don't 'feel' that Dr. Deagle's information is right. I too was married to a guy at one time who was convinced he was the messiah come back and even told me that his image would be seen by all in the clouds. He was delusional, obviously, but I get the same 'sense' from Dr. Deagle that I got from my ex-husband...something is just not right. Dr. Deagle says to listen to your own heart and my heart says that he is delusional. I mean him no disrespect or harm. I am simply speaking from my own 'truth'.

[deepblu777]

Bill and Kerry, Thanks so much for the interview. I truely appreciate the effort of hearts to speak the truth. I'm always waiting for the next one!

Some of my fellow watchers: (moment to vent) Sorry, but it seems to me that some of you kinda have a p*ssy attitude. I'm not speaking to the one's with a difference of opinion, I'm speaking to the 'whiners', so if you don't like hearing this, you know which one you are. Check your perspective!

You don't have to 'buy' anything.

The important thing is to keep your minds and your hearts open to all you see and hear, everywhere. It's the only way to find your personal truths/connections.

ANYONE who's awake should know by now that divisions are what's killing us. Stop whining about how the interview went, take what you can from it and try to keep growing and learning all that you can from EVERY source that you can.

I have a long list of people I've listened to and read. Almost all of them at some time said something a little off ... to completely weird. But they also had some truth...point is...they cared enough to tell their truth (some at risk) and for that, they are my Heroes. Don't know if I would do as well.

'...philosophy and spirituality is all wrong.' ??????????? What the hell is that? Are you the only person who has '...an understanding of how everything in the universe works.' ? (Sorry, that sounds like religion to me)

Isn't the whole point that NONE of us really knows? Truths at every level?

And if ANY of you are still considering voting, I got a BIG WHY?

When someone asks me who I'm voting for, I have to tell them the truth...I'm not voting because it doesn't matter who's in there, they all work for the same people.

I do admit that while watching the interview I thought that his ego was a bit too much present and I wondered about who is really helping him (just like I wonder about everyone else and everything else I hear) ....but who cares, if I don't listen to his/everyone's information, how will I know if I find confirmation of anything somewhere else. Shutting myself off could mean missing a piece and aren't there enough missing pieces?

Sorry, intolerance is the thing I have the least tolerance for.

Kerry said "This dimension is full of both the light and dark and embracing one to the exclusion of the other will only perpetuate the polarization of consciousness and defeat our purpose."

I agree! :smoke:

[chiaradina]

Unfortunately, most discussions on this forum is under the assumption that we have to be steered in a direction by soeone elses opinion.


It's so much more convenient to read and suck up stuff from outside, take what you want and leave the rest behind to nourish you than to connect to your own source, let it feed you and stick with it (no by-products/waste) .. why? because so many of us are still in such a deep insecurity regarding their own intuition, "knowing without knowing why they know what they know just that they know it", integrity regarding input from their own "divine" self even if it challenges current belief systems!

It's so much easier to project all your own shadows onto the bad reptilians. ALL of us humans do have a "reptilian brain".. we should check back on our own beliefsystems regarding nourishment and survival and what WE PERSONALLY do .. is it ok to live on animals, plants because they are "lower lifeforms" (less developed) .. who has decided that? Why? ask yourself and know that YOU can make a change. Of course, pointing fingers is so much easier than changing yourself and YOUR way of life.

And I am NOT saying that there is no reptilian agenda or so. I don't know. I just say start with yourself. Question EVERYTHING in your life and look at it from a transcending viewpoint and change it if it is not in alignment with your true (heart's) viewpoint/understanding of reality. Align/clear your emotional body as this will help you discern. Start with yourself and your own shadow.

[ad.johnson]

merged threads.

Please check first and use the search function.

Thanks a lot!

:original:

I tried to post to this thread originally (or one that looked like this) and it said I didn't have permission, hence the new thread I started.

Thanks for merging. I hope people will check the careful analysis of Deagle's earlier speech I posted for basic, easily checkable facts.

[norman]

I watched/listened to the Deagle video. Lots of 'gripping' stuff.

The part of the video that jumped out at me was the bit where the sound track was 'silenced' while Kerry spoke. I can't lip read. I want to know what she said that had to be 'censored' like that.

I know that they 'edit' videos regularly but I don't recall ever seeing this sort of thing before. What's going on?

Do any lip-readers care to enlighten me? :zip:

[Jenny]

nit·pick·ing (nhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/ibreve.gifthttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/prime.gifphttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/ibreve.gifkhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/lprime.gifhttp://img.tfd.com/hm/GIF/ibreve.gifng)n. Minute, trivial, unnecessary, and unjustified criticism or faultfinding.



I see a lot of that.
No, not just in this thread..it is all over the place.


Finding fault and unjustified criticism is ruining the overall view, the helicopterview and it will ruin the ability to know when to act and how to act in a appropriate manner.

Getting stuck in and staying stuck in nitpicking my respons to myself is to go inside and find out why , what reasoning is luring me into nitpicking.

And I will find an ego thing that is trying to stay on top of someone. At all costs.

Try it...go inside and ask what egothing is causing you to nitpick.

Allowing it to fester is ruining your life.

Oke, done venting.
grinn.

[GoingToFast]

Ewen though we have to take much of what Bill Deagle is saying with a few grains of salt I find that on some issues he has got it right down to a tee, I believe that he is right on who the two major governors are in this world, I call them the "Pharisees and Jesuits" , you could call them by many names but they are the carriers of ancient mysticism and magic.
This is one of the best interviews so far that Bill and Kerry has done

[efields]

Well I have to say, This a Dr Deagle I never met till this interview. What a pleasure he is. His zeal for mankind and his scope of vision is very impressive. I felt a strong resonance to all he said and felt he was 'right on the money' on about everything. I too see a slate wiper as the only possible solution as we are so horribly asleep. I would rather believe Wilcock and his gentle rebirth, but I really think he sees the same scenario with the 'harvest' as explained in the Law Of One. Any way you slice it we are due for some major corrections on this Orb we inhabit as the Humans on the planet are asleep Big Time and kind of need a 'good housecleaning' in order for any forward progression to occur, as I see it. So I welcome the coming shake out as it's been due for quite some time now. All will be put right sooner or later. From what all are feeling it seems it will be rather soon now. A few years is nothing as to how soon. It is upon us. Billy Meier has been saying the same thing for years. We have a choice, but the inertia of what the Collective 'feels' is keeping our choice focused on a major 'time out, redo the planet type solution as they(collective) don't want to see anything that has not been presented on the Evening News, hence we will reap what we sew. I see the coming change, as a just reaction, from a loving Creation, that has no other choice anymore. We have signed the contract for our demise as a failed experiment, and most will just 'have to go' and even then we shall see if we will be able to awaken to our true Nature.:trumpet:

[deepblu777]

Thank you Jenny....you said what I was trying to only better/shorter.

And I agree with you ... I'm hearing fear and ego.

Changes are hard for some people, even if they want it.

Part of waking up is growing up, if you don't learn to flow, your rigidity will break you.

Try to remember...Take in all the info you can. You're putting together a puzzle and some of the pieces are from another box. Figure it out and quit '...yelling at the movie screen' (David Icke)

If you must respond, try a little humility. What you're getting here is a gift, it is NOT owed to you!

Loving the World like a MOM! :smoke:

[burgundia]

I think he brings more confusion instead of order. I agree with his message in general but .........beware of false prophets!

[R.Z.]

If Bill & Kerry were to read this far through all this ...

I'd like to congratulate them on "holding their own" as Bill said in his description of this interview.

Those complaining of Mr. Deagle's inability to remain focused, or of Bill & Kerry's attempts to bring him back around to the point - I can't imagine you making it far, through one of Deagle's "Nutrimedical Reports". He's worse than Alex Jones (if that's possible) when it comes to cutting-off his guests to make his own point.


Is it true, is it false, is it deliberate disinformation ... these are questions to answer for yourself. All this negativity does nothing to encourage Bill & Kerry's continuation to bring us what information they can by whatever means available.

[Chinderland]

I also believe that all your answers are within your heart and soul.

I didn't get anything beneficial out this material. And the philosophy and spirituality is all wrong. To much wasted energy on unnecessary mental constructs created by human civilization. There is no key element of evidence or substantial quality to the direction of spiritual philosophy. Way way way off course.

He's getting there but he is missing the target. To understand life on this planet, there must be an understanding of how everything works in the universe. And the universe is vast. Current events in America can change instantly due to energies created by you. Yes, I mean you. the person reading this.

The expression of multiple timelines allows the Soul to experience life on every level possible. There are many multiple life timelines, not just one. And what occurs, depends on the level of your spiritual growth and where you are at the time. Although we are all connected, we are also learning about ourselves and the infinite possibilities of creative expression. These experiences stretch accross many dimensions.

Earth is the lowest vibration. Energy is the source of everything. The spirit is also part of this energy. There is much more I can say... but I will save if or later. Anyway, gloom and doom won't happen folks. But it will happen if you create it for yourself. You are what you manifest.

Kevin (Suriel - Messenger of Light)

Kevin,

Please educate me about your "mental construct" that you expressed in the above statement, especially about souls, multiple timelines, vibration levels, as well as on "how everything works in this universe". Based on which proof or evidence do you get your conclusions here?

You said about the information Mr. Deagle gave in this interview: "the philosophy and spirituality is all wrong". Why are you so sure about it?

I am confused.

[deb003]

I will be very honest here.
The thought of fema "death" camps and being taken at 4am in the morning scares the living $&^#*&^ out of me, and thinking that it will take a change of heart of the human race to stop this from happening also makes me scared because there's a part of me that hopes this happens but also not sure it will happen because of all the darkness in the world today.
Because of this fear, I wanted to take everything that Deagle said and throw it away and criticize the guy, but the truth is, I don't want to believe what he's saying because it just sounds too frightening on a certain level. I don't want to die!!
I rather think that all will be well and humanity will work this out and this just cannot happen, but then I think of the Holocaust in Germany and I think how they were also an open society and found themselves a closed society and then the Holocaust happened so I have to just listen to Deagle and be honest with myself before I start discrediting the guy.
Maybe he has a big ego or thinks he's a prophet....But it's the being mass murdered in camps which makes me want to think he's full of it. but the truth us, those camps are already there and they are real so I guess I'll have to face my own fears and not make myself think he's delusional.

[Chinderland]

I will be very honest here.
The thought of fema "death" camps and being taken at 4am in the morning scares the living $&^#*&^ out of me, ...
I rather think that all will be well and humanity will work this out and this just cannot happen, but then I think of the Holocaust in Germany and I think how they were also an open society and found themselves a closed society and then the Holocaust happened so I have to just listen to Deagle and be honest with myself before I start discrediting the guy ...

I am not sure if all the things Dr. Deagle said will actually happen. I regard his testimony as a warning and a reference point for me to monitor the world events. But I kept thinking about this question:

Which is more positive: to be happily denying or bitterly realistic?

:original:

[greybeard]

I see it very simply.
What is more powerful-- The Light or the dark?
Even the smallest particle of light can shine through the darkest night effortlessly, it just does.
Darkness cant overcome or extinguish Light.
The darkness only has the power we give it.
The Soul which you are is made in the likeness of God you, are not seperate from your Creator, (Not talking religion here)
Do you honestly think there is anything which is powerful enough to overcome the Love which is God.
Humbly ask for that Love and it is freely given.
Darkness--- just dont go there. You dont need it.
With love and respect
Chris

[Atk1d]

On bILL'S NON-SHAPE SHIFTING ABILITY.

I'm not going to say that it's real or it is a shape shifter, but it surely is something very odd.
Here is the post you watch and decide for yourselves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIALzT3uHAU

[Chinderland]

If I remember correctly, in part three of the interview at 28:10, Dr. Deagle said: "In a sense we live in a Matrix. It's like we live in a Cybernetic world ..."

What does this mean? Simulation Hypothesis, anyone? :mfr_omg:

[feeler]

I recently watched the latest interview with Dr Deagle on YouTube (which by the way, Part II is unavailable)....

I want to bring to the forum's attention a possible anomalous event. In Part III at approx the 36:17 minute mark, in the background, I think it's a mirror perhaps a doorway, you'll see a red and white blinking light appear to "float" from left to the right, then rise slightly, and then disappear?

Is this a reflection of the camera lights flashing, or something "unearthly?"

Keep up the great work Bill and Kerry, the world is a better place because of you two.

Rabboni

The interview extended into the evening. We were looking at the outside street traffic through the windows.


-feeler

[feeler]

http://projectcamelot.org/bill_deagle.html

http://projectcamelot.org/bill_deagle_cover.jpg

We're well aware of this controversy. This three part video is essential viewing - we suggest - for anyone who has criticized this man. We stand behind his testimony: inasmuch as there's nothing we know which contradicts anything he has said.


How so?

Bill D. suggests that we arm ourselves, and take matters into our own hands for one last fight before the end (and I mean "The End") - while - David W. suggests ETs will absolutely not allow any thermal nuclear event to take place and ascension will take place for the service-to-others.

Furthermore, Bill D. regards Obama as one of the worst characters whereas David W. expresses complete confidence in Obama.


-feeler

[goody8504]

How so? Bill D. suggests that we arm ourselves, and take matters into our own hands for one last fight before the end (and I mean "The End")

-feeler


deagle actually said we're to arm ourselves and go into the streets to take matters into our own hands? are you serious!?!? wow. i stopped watching the interview about 25 mins into it so i never got that far. if he actually said that, then i'm glad i stopped watching when i did. it's clear to me that deagle is extremely mislead....or worse, is purposefully misleading us. if people wish to do this, they have every right to. but i'm not getting wrapped up in that karma. creating more chaos to restore order? what ever happened to refusing to feed the negativity? if i die because i refuse to 'shoot em up' to bring about peace, so be it

[Hanks]

thanks for this interview bill and kerry. it's easy to see why the stuff that bill comes out with is jarring for a lot of people but i do appreciate the way he speaks with a logical base.

topically the stuff on reptillians is very interesting given i've looked into david icke probably more than any of these researchers/whistleblower type people. it all seems to make sense on one level.

however i think bill's way of talking is where a lot the perception about an ego or some kind of superiority complex comes from. what he says does resonate with me but it doesn't help when every other thing he says starts with 'people need to understand' and 'people dont understand'. its a very condescending way of presenting information and i think that was obvious when kerry repeteadly had to remind him to consider the project camelot audience. the connotation being that we are intelligent and able to disseminate information without being reminded of the common misconceptions over and over again.

for that reason i think bill could be a lot more direct with his message but i still appreciate what he has to say. any plans to meet up with david icke in the future? out of all of these people i think he comes across as the most down to earth, free from ego and speaks very very clearly for a wide range of listeners.

[Savoyya]

deagle actually said we're to arm ourselves and go into the streets to take matters into our own hands? are you serious!?!? wow. i stopped watching the interview about 25 mins into it so i never got that far. if he actually said that, then i'm glad i stopped watching when i did. it's clear to me that deagle is extremely mislead....or worse, is purposefully misleading us. if people wish to do this, they have every right to. but i'm not getting wrapped up in that karma. creating more chaos to restore order? what ever happened to refusing to feed the negativity? if i die because i refuse to 'shoot em up' to bring about peace, so be it

Yeah he really said that.
He also said there is a council of "supreme beings" (i dont remember the exact words he used but you get the idea) that are judging humanity atm. If they do a thumbs up, it means we "pass" and get to stay on earth. If they do a thumbs down, it means we failed, and not only humanity and the earth will be destroyed, but our siprits will die as well (we will cease to exist for real). For someone asking us to reject religions, he seems to still be stuck with their influence imo.

For me, hes just promoting the agenda, maybe in an unconscious way, but thats still what hes doing. Hes using "scare tactics" to feed the status quo. He recommends violence too, and tries to convince you it will be the right thing to do because people will become like savages and beasts.... im sorry to hear him say that, but i dont agree. When faced with difficult times, people tend to help each other. Thats how we reacted over here some 10 years ago when half the province was without power for months during winter, following the worst ice storm ever recorded over here. Nobody killed anyone, and no looting happened either. The situation was totally chaotic but people behaved and helped each others.

Remember, fear and violence will keep you in the low vibrations, you will feed the powers that be and help them complete their plans, and might also miss the good stuff coming. If you reject fear and choose love, trust, elevation of your vibrations, you will get all the good stuff coming our way: DNA changes, vibration change, and ascension.
Rejecting fear and living with love is the key.

[Swanny]

On bILL'S NON-SHAPE SHIFTING ABILITY.

I'm not going to say that it's real or it is a shape shifter, but it surely is something very odd.
Here is the post you watch and decide for yourselves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIALzT3uHAU
Thats the first time I've seen anything like that, he even moved out of shot but carried on talking :shocked:

[micjer]

I recently watched the latest interview with Dr Deagle on YouTube (which by the way, Part II is unavailable)....

I want to bring to the forum's attention a possible anomalous event. In Part III at approx the 36:17 minute mark, in the background, I think it's a mirror perhaps a doorway, you'll see a red and white blinking light appear to "float" from left to the right, then rise slightly, and then disappear?

Is this a reflection of the camera lights flashing, or something "unearthly?"

Keep up the great work Bill and Kerry, the world is a better place because of you two.

Rabboni

I watched it on you-tube. At 105:30 in part 2 there is like an orb of light over the desk between the two Bill's talking. It hovers there for 20 seconds and then disappears behind the chair. I don't think it had anything to do with mirrors or camera lights. It caught my attention immediately I was hoping others noticed also.

[Artycarl]

I watched the video, like I do all of them and make notes as I watch then I might watch once or twice more because it's almost impossible to take everything in first time around.

On reflection my personal opinion is that no single person would be allowed to know as much as Dr Deagle seems to know which means that some of his information is coming from elsewhere and that means for me that we have to be very careful about taking eveything at face value.

There were some very interesting points made but for me, once again, I found myself jotting down by the end of the video that I really felt that Dr Deagle has ONLY a very small part of the puzzle, and that all the parts, however small, will seem valuable once their position in the overall picture is better understood.

[feeler]

I watched it on you-tube. At 105:30 in part 2 there is like an orb of light over the desk between the two Bill's talking. It hovers there for 20 seconds and then disappears behind the chair. I don't think it had anything to do with mirrors or camera lights. It caught my attention immediately I was hoping others noticed also.

You are looking at the headlights of vehicles/traffic outside the windows. Check out those windows at the start of the interview when there was daylight, to get a better frame of reference.


-feeler

[Anchor]

I watched the Dr Bill Deagle interview over the weekend. I decided not to post about it immediately because I wanted to think first. I just had a tea break, so here goes...

I am sorry to say that I figured early that he has a messiah complex. This biased me and made it a bit hard to listen to the rest of it. I tried though – all three hours of it. I can easily believe that he is a healer, and his stories about his healing miracles are easy to believe for me. He definitely strikes me as a man who cares very deeply for his fellow man and wants to save us all if he can. Nor do I doubt that he has had wide exposure to black ops goings on. A lot of it though didn’t seem to be based on really “deep involvement” but rather much of it sounds like hearsay based on what some person working in one compartment managed to tell him when given an opportunity, ie: snippets of information – not deep solid information tempered by years of study and involvement.

Sadly, for me, Deagle over-does the doom and gloom. The big three ways split is coming … change is inevitable – it may not be terrifically convenient or comfortable when it does for a lot of people – why dwell on it? His appeal to wake up is done in an almost threatening way –“WAKE UP OR DIE SCREAMING IN PAIN AND DISPAIR!”, that to me does not strike me as a valid approach.

I also decided that I really wished he was more eloquent. Three hours could have been one with some structure. He could take some lessons from David Wilcock, except I suppose if they ever met they would probably cancel each-other out as the negativity and positivity mix together and suck the earth into a vortex of neutral ennui and forcing us all to repeat our 72,000 year cycle a few years early.

A..

Sorry if that last bit wasn’t funny – it was meant to be.

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

i take what ever he says with a pinch of salt and then decide for myself.. his story corroborates much of the info out there.. i hope to hear more from him

[micjer]

You are looking at the headlights of vehicles/traffic outside the windows. Check out those windows at the start of the interview when there was daylight, to get a better frame of reference.


-feeler

Thanks I agree. Later on you can see a car leaving the driveway.:mfr_lol:

[feeler]

Dr. Deagle believes micronukes (but not DEW) were used in the destruction of the towers.

My own opinion is that particle beam weapons were also applied, to severe the towers, and to cut the plane-holes.

The following is a chart (from Dr. Judy Wood's site) that reflects the mini pole shifts at the times (8:46 a.m. and 9:03 a.m.) of the "plane-entrance" on Sep 11, 2001.



http://www.drjudywood.com/articles/erin/mpics/H5.jpg


-feeler

[micjer]

I am really having a hard time trying to figure this guy out.

One moment as I listen to him I think that he is bang on and then the next minute he's saying something like the "ragheads" or talking about all of the different jobs he's had. Man he's had a busy life. At times he reminds me of the movie "Catch me if you can" where the guy had many jobs but was only an imposter.

A lot of what he talks about I believe to be true. But in most cases I had read it on other sites or heard it from other whistleblowers like Phil Schneider for example.

We have no way of proving whether he had a meeting with higher ups or whether his dreams are of possible realities or maybe he ate something that upset his system.

In summary, I think the most important message he has, is that it is up to us to find a way out. We possess the power. Nobody including Dr. Deagle is going to save us. We have to do it ourselves.

:lightsabre:

[goody8504]

He could take some lessons from David Wilcock, except I suppose if they ever met they would probably cancel each-other out as the negativity and positivity mix together and suck the earth into a vortex of neutral ennui and forcing us all to repeat our 72,000 year cycle a few years early.

A..

Sorry if that last bit wasn’t funny – it was meant to be.

i laughed. so :thumb_yello: to you

[Topper]

I have just finished watching the interview Bill and Kerry had with
{the Profit}Bill Deagle.
I would love to hear your input regarding everything he said.
What are you doing to prepare for the coming events, believing for the moment that what he said is true.
Besides stockpiling food and water, where do you begin?

Chaye and Topper.

[orb]

One thing I think everyone here on this forum serious abut their survival, as well as the people they come in contact with after the shift, is to buy "Oral Rehydration Salts".

They are about $11 for a package, and a number of people might be saved with just one pack. Buy extra for your friends, in my case I got three packs and threw them in the medicine cabinet, so I have 36 packets of salts. Ask your local drug store to get them for you, and Walmart can bring them in as well

What surprised me is that these were not on the shelf, and the pharmacist did not even know about them, or Cholera for example, because it is not an issue in developed Countries.

Disease will be the biggest killer after the shift. Cholera will be rampant. Forget the one meal you were going to have out somewhere, or the few beers tonight, spend the frigging $30 and possibly save your and many others lives with just this one thing alone.

Do it now. The salts will not be there after the shift. Besides, there are any number of things that might happen where these salts are needed, any natural disaster, Cholera come right in behind. And if you do not know what Cholera is, like me in the past, get off your butt and read up on it now. Very important.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oral_rehydration_therapy

[Jenny]

This is discussed extensively elsewhere.
Maybe you want to use the search button and delete this thread?

Let me know, oke?:original:

Jenny

[orb]

Another thing that people can use as a preparation, is to purchase medicinal grade Hydrogen Peroxide, 30%. It is caustic so you must also know how to handle it.

Although controversial it can be your last line of defense against biological attacks, in that you can mix it with water in small quantities and drink it, and some say there is a risk of an embolism, but again, if it is death of a biological weapon, or possible death of a embolism because you tried to flood your body with oxygen from oral consumption of Hydrogen Peroxide, I know which one I am risking.

A person needs to separate the risks from the dogma of the medical industry, and their desire to suppress the benefits of hydrogen peroxide. For example, I once took a stroke from a penicillin, but I successfully ingested Hydrogen Peroxide it for a few weeks in small quantities, and I survived. Choose you battles.

Also 20% medicinal peroxide is also good for sterlizing water, etc. Put some in and then wait and the oxygen released by the peroxide will kill most organisms. Peroxide is about $16 a quart, get a few bottles, put them away, and print off some of the information on the web of the many uses of this easily available god send. Everyone here should get some, in fact I need another bottle I am going to get more now.

[Topper]

Orb, thank you so much for that very useful information. I'm going out to get a kit right now.
By the way Jenny, am I taking up too much space? What's the problem? I am now very greatful to Orb for information he gave me that I did not know. If I went looking for another thread where this topic is discussed extensively I would never have gotten this very valuable info, which may save my life and the lives of many others.
Maybe you should be moderating abusive threads instead of ones that provide valuable information. These threads are used to make contacts, exchange ideas and help each other. Jenny, Big Brother, chill!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Topper]

Orb, thanks again friend. You seem to be a fountain of great, useful information.

Your friends, Chaye and Topper.

[orb]

Glad the info was useful, I am trying to get with this new "Service to Others" paradigm just in case the dream I had comes true, and a group of aliens actually exist that show up to take us off world. I kind of like earth, so service to others is the new paradigm, bring it on. LOL

Orb, thanks again friend. You seem to be a fountain of great, useful information.

Your friends, Chaye and Topper.

[Topper]

Your dream is closer to reality than you realize. I don't know if they're coming to remove us from the planet, but they are here for certain.
I retired from the U.S. Govt. Back in the '70's I had an encounter with et when we scrambled two jets to get a visual ID on them when they didn't respond to contact from our air traffic controlers on a Air Force Base. As our jets closed on the craft, she pulled into a verticle climb in excess of mach 2, and left our jets in her dust. [dust for the lack of another word.]
From that day forward, I have never needed confirmation that we are not alone in this universe.

Thank you again for all your valuable information.

Your friend, Topper

[Topper]

Thank you Magli.
Could you point out what you think is fabricated?
I've been stockpiling for some time now. I thinking it's now time to stop.

[Jenny]

Hi Jenny,

I am new to the forum, but one of the reasons I chose not to participate earlier is that I felt there might be some over pruning of the forums here to keep them on track. For example, I noticed a number of my comments on the Youtube videos on Bill Deagle were delete, and I am confused why, they seem level headed and not overly critical, although I am not much for his message of what I take as fear, basically.

So when a thread is deleted, what happens to my comments say that are there? Secondly, in say many open source movements very little forum pruning happens, and eventually concepts boil up to a series of issues that become part of a master document that represents the consensus of most of the participants.

With that in mind, I am not sure why one might want to prune a topic that is discussed elsewhere, it just gives another point for people to jump in on the discussion.

Hi Orb,

we seldom delete threads. Or posts from members.
We seldom edit posts.

This is a forum for all to discuss all things related to Project Camelot and Ground Crew issues.

We do try to keep topics together in 1 thread although it is hard to accomplish that.
So be it.
Sometimes a thread is moved to a more appropriate subforum.

If you think you miss comments you made in a thread maybe you want to check in your profile the statistics. It will show you all threads and posts you made.
Maybe you find your comments back.

If you still miss comments you made please PM me.
I will try to find out what happened.

Jenny

[Stephen]

Heads Up My Fellow Members!

Please understand that I merged Topper's thread with this one.
Nothing personal against Topper it is just a little tiddying up.

EDIT: I also moved Oiran's thread of the Phone interview into this thread as well.

Please feel free to PM me or any staff member if you all have any questions OR complaints via PM ONLY! :)

We will delete anything in that regard if done in the Open thread.
This is what PMs are for.

Much Appreciated! Now lets ENJOY...shall we?

Stephen/Dood
FYI: I am on once a day for now. Something cam up that is taking a lot of my time so if I 'seem' slow to responding to any PMs please bear with me.
You are NOT forgotten and I will respond as fast as possible from my end.

[Moktar]

On whistle blowers and their role:

Once they become whistle blowers it behooves us to welcome them, with Christ-like forgiveness and acceptance, knowing they are reflections of ourselves, come home.

In Deagle's case, we have been to his home and met his lovely wife and family... Regardless of what you think of his ability to see the future accurately he is speaking the truth as he knows it, has a vast intellect and is acting true to his own inner dictates. In addition, if you take the time to listen to him, you will find much of his material matches your own very closely including his conclusion that we create our reality.

As a medical doctor, Deagle may be giving humanity a somewhat dire prognosis for the future, but he is doing it in the spirit of prophets of all time, so that humanity will wake up and see the error in their ways before they go down a road from which their is no return. As you know, the aim of prophecy is warning not that of passing sentence.

On a side note, he was not "wrong" yet... He never said on October 7th that anything would happen.. other than the downturn of the markets which as we all know happened...

You must walk the walk if you are going to talk the talk. If we turn away whistle blowers because of their pasts where would we all be? Who will cast the first stone?

Deagle is no different in this respect than Daniel or Henry Deacon. He is coming forward talking about the truth as told to him by MANY whistle blowers from black projects who shared their information... and he is coming forward very brave in spirit -- against great criticism and derision -- Yes, he may be verbose and his views may tilt in a direction you do not agree with.. but here is a soul who is doing his best to reveal the dark agenda to the masses and we need to acknowledge him for this.

This dimension is full of both the light and dark and embracing one to the exclusion of the other will only perpetuate the polarization of consciousness and defeat our purpose.

Blessings,

Kerry
I personally agree with everything you are saying about Deagle and I do think he is basically a good soul and that we should listen. And it was one of the more interesting interviews that I've listened to.

However, simply put, there is a part that I'm running into a brick wall intuitively and logically. Am I not hearing this right? And it's this and to paraphrase:


That we are being judged

juxtapose that with the idea that there is free will and that the universe is essentially love.

Just doesn't go together.

BTW, I think you and Bill do an excellent job and I really appreciate it.