Warning! Proton Accelerator = Black hole september 10th?

[Fred]

Hi Im not here to Spam Stuff but this got my attention a friend of mind brought this to me.
Proton Accelerator

Quick info (not sure its all right but just to give a small picture of it)

Big circular tubing system under earth in France/Swiss border

They take molecules and make them go fast (really fast) around the circle (17 miles circle)
(not sure but Dann Brown in demon and Angel is talking about This)

They collide molecules (protons) to make them smaller and get to the smallest part to find out the composition of the smallest particles known

The CERN is making a new one and are testing it on September 10th

ill give you a link you may want to check they give you all the details and they are talking about Black hole because this will go at 99.9% of light speed


If anyone knows anything about it

I know Einstein and some Greats minds of this planet had alot of theories about time travel and Light speed

http://www.physorg.com/news139467844.html

Quote from the site

But will the collisions be powerful enough to create a tiny mass of particles with a gravitational pull so strong it can "eat" other matter -- a microscopic black hole? And if yes, could such a thing grow big enough to swallow Earth itself?

Fred

Montreal/QC

[Fred]

More quotes

The fact is, the LHC could produce a tiny, extremely short-lived (read: harmless) black hole. It is an unlikely event, but one that physicists are nonetheless excited about. However, they discount the possibility of a stable black hole -- one with the chance to grow into something worth worrying about -- as much more science fiction than science.

Recently, two physicists took a close, practical look at the issue by examining known astrophysical phenomena, using what scientists already know about the universe to determine the likelihood that the LHC will produce stable black holes on Earth.

ut if the black hole was neutral, and if it was also stable, emitting no Hawking radiation, that could be troubling. Giddings and Mangano examine this scenario despite that the likelihood of it occurring is almost zero, since scientists believe that neutralization could not occur without the emission of Hawking radiation. Neutralization and Hawking radiation are intricately linked quantum processes; if one is occurring, the other should be, too.


Just take a look at the whole thing

fred
Montreal/quebec

[Lanzelot]

Hi there!

There is a strong movement against the accelerator also here in Vienna.

I am not scared at all.

THEY argue, that the outcome of the experiment is unshure.

Isnt that the idea of experiments a lot?

What scares me?

Every single atomic power plant is a potential global tragedy!!!
Nuclear weapons, just the same.

Don´t worry about the collider, worry about hundrets of nuclear
powerplant first.

I am also more impressed with the REAL black holes in the universe,
in our galaxy and so on.

If one of these sucks us in, I´ll write a blog about my expirences inside it...:bleh:

LaoTse says: "The nature of future is the unknown!"

Greetings, Lanzelot

[Jacqui D]

I agree with you Patti, come on if anything was going to happen would we really hear about it!!
But they could be getting sloppy i guess or perhaps they really don't care any more because they know they have the monopoly on things.
But i wonder if this could tear a rift in the fabric of time or not!
If anyone has ever studied the site www.eeatwelve/net there is a lot of information there about a machine called the attawa that creates this false reality that we have lived in since time began.
The powers that be are working hard to get the attawa in motion again it is breaking down like earth itself.
I honestly think this is a false flag while on the scenes somewhere else something much more important is going on.
But we will have to wait and see, hey if we are all going to be sucked into a black hole oh well that's it i guess.
:sweatdrop:

[Myra]

This has me worried as well. Their actual "Start Date" is Sept 8th.

http://www.matternews.com/Research/CERN_announces_start-up_date_for_LHC.asp

[uniconr]

september 10th is the day they fire the first beam, its a test run. i dont think theyre smashing any atoms for a few more weeks

updates at http://public.web.cern.ch/public/Welcome.html

[TheGhost]

I read somewhere that half of the scientists working on the Manhattan Project (atomic bomb) thought that the bomb would cause a chain reaction in the atmosphere and incinerate the entire atmosphere of the planet - and they detonated it anyway!
I hope the scientists working on the LHC don't suffer from the same death wish for humanity that the Manhattan Project scientists obviously did. It wouldn't surprise me, though, if they were taking life or death risks on behalf of ALL life on Earth!
Scientists are just people. People are ******* stupid!


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[Wormhole]

The Hadron Collider is a circular tunnel, 27 kilometers long and between 50 and 175 meters in depth underground. When activated it will consume as much power as a medium-sized city and operates at temperatures as low as -270 C. When you collide protons at very high energies, they explode and in the debris create new particles. The LHC (Large Hadron Collider) will collide the protons from hydrogen nuclei at 99.999999 percent of the speed of light. The beams created will circle the inside the LHC completing a 27 Kilometer circuit 11,000 times per second. When the two protons collide, 14 trillion electronvolts of energy will be released. This could in theory produce new particles never before seen.

The energy of one beam is akin to a 400-ton train traveling at 150 kilometers per hour concentrated on one tiny point. One beam can incinerate a vehicle into, well, nothing. It is one hell of a weapon if aimed in the wrong direction. I fear that this is the reason that the LHC was able to illicit so much funding.

However, the good news is that even though experiments like the LHC add to human misery, but more importantly; to the ideas of free and safe energy resources. Like the atom bomb, the electronic age sprang from these concepts (remember this as you use your computer) and so too will a new age spring forward from the LHC. The question is: Will we be able to make sound and responsible decisions with the information that is gathered?

Then there are the black holes. Yes, there is a chance that one may be developed, and yes there are several lawsuits being enacted, ie: Walter Wagner (a former nuclear safety officer) in Hawaii will have a court decision a week after the LHC has already been turned on. I agree that the chances are small that we will see the "end" happen, and if it does, well I love you all and good bye.

Instead, I will be putting my intention towards the safe and responsible use of this data. I think that the timing was wrong for the world to spend so much money when there are so many in need right now, but I hope to see the world manifest a use for this information that will hopefully solve many of these problems.

Peace of Mind,
Wormhole

[Free-UFO-Videos]

Proton Accelerator

Big circular tubing system under earth in France/Swiss border


Yes, CERN and the LHC (Large Hadron Collider)

$4.4 Billion Pounds to build.

Stupid idiots they are.
They can't even stop plastic polluting the oceans.
They can't even get off oil and gasoline.
They can't even talk about outer space properly.
They can't even teach Love and Care at schools.
They can't even let women stay at home with the kids
doing hobbies, because they want to TAX everyone!!!
They can't even stop using Nuclear Power Stations.
They can't even stop tobacco corporations or similar,
developing mind control technology in secret.

They just spend 4.4 billion pounds to see what happens
after the big bang. Risking making black holes.

No wonder 57+ different species of extraterrestrials are watching!!!

:mfr_lol:

[Galatea]

I think if there were any real danger with this experiment then the ETs would have made a move to stop it from happening.

[Wormhole]

Nice to see accurate information.

[alice goes nuts....]

In the end this is a question about calculated risk.....why should anyone stop us from this???...seriously it will be the same story as always....it costed a lot....but se how much good it gave us in time!!....and does it truely matter in the end???:sleep_1:....i m still not sleepless...and will never be impressed or shocked:welcomeani:

[lock'N'load]

Wow, how about that! One day before my birthday :D

I'm not quite sure that its gonna happen on that day.

Im not supposed to leave here until im 24, so whatever happens.. its not gonna happen on September 10th.. at least i will not expire from it.

Now, ive wondered to myself.. why spend billions of pounds on a machine like this.. they didnt do it just to see what would happen, they are doing it because they are aiming to achieve a desired result. Its not a game of chance, im pretty sure they know the outcome of this experiment.

Honestly, theres so much doom and gloom and scaremongering going on these days.. like ive always said, if you cant change the outcome, dont dwell on it.

Lets just sit back with a nice cold beer and wait and see what happens ;) :thumb_yello:

[I_Am]

Maybe this is the reason why there is such silence from other civilisations out there for the SETI-project? All advanced civilisations ultimately come to this Pandora Point, and become sucked into oblivion by their own fault?

Curiosity killed the cat anyone?

Guess being sucked into a black hole really must count to be one of the most cool way of dying anyway, so if that is how we are to end...so be it...at least I will be shouting "WHAT WAS IT I TOLD YOU AAAAAAAaaaaaargh!!!..." while being torn into rubberband by the gravitation forces. :biggrin2:

On the other hand...why the *BLEEP* don't they put this kind of machinery on the moon?

[Phoenix]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7600966.stm

[YokoYoko]

http://wsww.kryon.com/k_channel08_Asheville.html

Kryon mention something about this experiment...for the one's who like channelers info.

namasté

[lock'N'load]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7600966.stm

I love your signature! :wub2:

[thesleeper]

Hello there all,

This is my first post on this forum, and indeed on any forum. Please bear with me and help me along the way if possible.

Personally, I don't think we have much to fear from the LHC. From what I hear it is not the only one of its kind, and the tests they are performing on 8/9/8 onwards may have been done before, without public knowledge or awareness.

My source is not always reliable however so maybe this is wrong.

I wonder whether this could be a distraction, like so many distractions, just before the economic crash ?

Peace and blessings

the sleeper

[Antaletriangle]

Just watch this-may make everyone sleep easier- the preceding episodes are great also!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=T1vKisefsuI

[majorlee]

having a scientific outlook on life i welcome any advances on our understanding of the universe, matter and such things

but as a believer in the Infinite then destroying very small particles is a bit of a dilemma for me :sad:


my beliefs feel that there could be a possibilty of destroying life on a scale we cannot imagine. Life in the infinitly small.

Inside the atoms contain the smallest particles which to them on there scale is like our universe, except that the time scale is much faster than ours. We could be possibly wiping out whole galaxies and solar systems!

This might not be your belief but its something i would like to raise as an issue here since no-one else has

Also i think if the danger is present of this happening then something just might go wrong (i mean in a system crash or fault) in Geneva over the next few weeks since i'm pretty sure this matter is a concern to people who do not originate from this planet and have better understanding of the universe and infinity - i guess we will see what happens, but mark my words if it does!

we have so much good science in this world lets push for it to be used for problem solving and not money making

see u all next week, hopefully :mfr_lol:

No wonder 57+ different species of extraterrestrials are watching!!!

yes i totally agree!!! we are quite a spectacle, or is it like watching the chuckle brothers to them?

[Antaletriangle]

Yeah i tend to agree in scalar universes from the miniscule to the mighty big-they're all one.What gives us the right if this is the case to destroy another life system but there again we would not be human if we weren't curious about answering the correct questions.Problem being most humans don't understand the validity of the questions they're asking in the first place!

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=T1vKisefsuI

[imaculate]

Yes, CERN and the LHC (Large Hadron Collider)

$4.4 Billion Pounds to build.

Stupid idiots they are.
They can't even stop plastic polluting the oceans.
They can't even get off oil and gasoline.
They can't even talk about outer space properly.
They can't even teach Love and Care at schools.
They can't even let women stay at home with the kids
doing hobbies, because they want to TAX everyone!!!
They can't even stop using Nuclear Power Stations.
They can't even stop tobacco corporations or similar,
developing mind control technology in secret.

They just spend 4.4 billion pounds to see what happens
after the big bang. Risking making black holes.

No wonder 57+ different species of extraterrestrials are watching!!!

:mfr_lol:



57+species are watching us because to them we are a comedy act.
Spending billions each year to stop people from consuming plants called Cannabis
Spending years in education to end up as stupid as the rest of academia
Spending trillions to bail out the banks that made the mess and leaving the people in the ditch of despair blood in their eyes flies buzzing around their heads.
starting wars to kill millions to reap profits off the resources of others because our economy has tanked.
Spending billions on going to the moon in a Hollywood studio because our egos are so fragile.
pretending we are free when nothing could be further from the truth.

If it were not so terrible I would laugh myself

[Andre]

While it is true that the first machines designed to cure and provide therapy for cancers used high-energy protons and other forms of radiation, such as X-ray and gamma rays, it has been proven that they can cause tissue damage along their path.

A proton has a rest mass (before acceleration) 1,836 times greater than that of an electron, so it can be made into a heftier projectile. Protons are also easier to accelerate to high energies than are electrons, and accelerators that collide opposing beams of protons (or opposing beams of protons and antiprotons) have been called ''discovery machines'' because of some dramatic successes they have achieved in recent years.

However, protons, which contain three quarks each, have been likened to bean bags. When two protons collide head on, the collisions are actually between their component quarks, and the complex showers of secondary particles that emerge are very difficult to decipher.

This is a cause for great concern as measurements involving these collision can't be made in precision, therefore not allowing scientists to discern some of the fine details of physical relationships that are hidden in the complex showers emerging the collision.

[vesta]

Here is a news article from today in relation to the CERN:

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=627563

Cheers,

Vesta

[I_Am]

It is soo irresponsible!
Although many selfappointed experts rush to comfort us worried "un-knowing" it is still a fact that many, really clever women and men have expressed great concern regarding this...machine...the result should the experts be wrong is incredibly bad...I don't get this.

Does anyone remember in which Camelot interview the issue regarding a "device" being stopped by powers from another time/planet was being discussed? Could it be that this device actually is LHC?

[andromeda]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7600966.stm

So true, cheers!

[skysurfer]

I have secret information.....
Note the date of the Collider switch - on - ONE DAY BEFORE THE ANNIVERSARY OF 911 TWIN TOWERS!
My private informant - a scientist working on the project - tells me there is an experiment within an experiment to travel back in time and change things.
You will all wake up on Thursday and 911 won't have happened - or something like that......
Well - to be honest dudes....I've just made all that up - or rather the idea came in an email from my pal Phil.....
Just keeping everybody on their toes on this rainy morning in Bournemouth.....
Dave

[I_Am]

http://twitter.com/cern

I guess as long as they are blogging, Geneva is still there...
:thumbdown:

[firstfruit]

Read the Nancy Williams story here

http://projectcamelot.org/nancy_williams.html

If you read the story you will learn they have had this technology and other types of weaponry energy weapons that would cause a massive earthquake like the one in china and the massive tsunami in Burma.

The two biggest producers of rice on the planet the food riots your media with the blessing of your government have blissfully kept you ignorant of well what you don’t know can not hurt you until your government need it to

[Midnight Oil]

Oh boy ohh boyy!!!.....just hours after this cern testing thing, a mojor 7.5 quake hits Iran......damn.. so many things we do not know...

[Andre]

Massive particle collider passes first key tests

GENEVA - The world's largest particle collider passed its first major tests by firing two beams of protons in opposite directions around a 17-mile (27-kilometer) underground ring Wednesday in what scientists hope is the next great step to understanding the makeup of the universe.

After a series of trial runs, two white dots flashed on a computer screen at 10:26 a.m. (0826 GMT) indicating that the protons had traveled clockwise along the full length of the 4 billion Swiss franc (US$3.8 billion) Large Hadron Collider — described as the biggest physics experiment in history.

"There it is," project leader Lyn Evans said when the beam completed its lap.

Champagne corks popped in labs as far away as Chicago, where contributing and competing scientists watched the proceedings by satellite.

Five hours later, scientists successfully fired a beam counterclockwise.

Physicists around the world now have much greater power to smash the components of atoms together in attempts to learn about their structure.

"Well done, everybody," said Robert Aymar, director-general of the European Organization for Nuclear Research, to cheers from the assembled scientists in the collider's control room at the Swiss-French border.

The organization, known by its French acronym CERN, began firing the protons — a type of subatomic particle — around the tunnel in stages less than an hour earlier, with the first beam injection at 9:35 a.m. (0735 GMT).

Eventually two beams will be fired at the same time in opposite directions with the aim of recreating conditions a split second after the big bang, which scientists theorize was the massive explosion that created the universe.

"My first thought was relief," said Evans, who has been working on the project since its inception in 1984. "This is a machine of enormous complexity. Things can go wrong at any time. But this morning has been a great start."

He didn't want to set a date, but said that he expected scientists would be able to conduct collisions for their experiments "within a few months."

The collider is designed to push the proton beam close to the speed of light, whizzing 11,000 times a second around the tunnel.

Scientists hope to eventually send two beams of protons through two tubes about the width of fire hoses, speeding through a vacuum that is colder and emptier than outer space. The paths of these beams will cross, and a few protons will collide. The collider's two largest detectors — essentially huge digital cameras weighing thousands of tons — are capable of taking millions of snapshots a second.

The CERN experiments could reveal more about "dark matter," antimatter and possibly hidden dimensions of space and time. It could also find evidence of the hypothetical particle — the Higgs boson — which is sometimes called the "God particle" because it is believed to give mass to all other particles, and thus to matter that makes up the universe.

The supercooled magnets that guide the proton beam heated slightly in the morning's first test, leading to a pause to recool them before trying the opposite direction.

The start of the collider came over the objections of some who feared the collision of protons could eventually imperil the Earth by creating micro-black holes, subatomic versions of collapsed stars whose gravity is so strong they can suck in planets and other stars.

"It's nonsense," said James Gillies, chief spokesman for CERN.

CERN was backed by leading scientists like Britain's Stephen Hawking , who declared the experiments to be absolutely safe.

Gillies told the AP that the most dangerous thing that could happen would be if a beam at full power were to go out of control, and that would only damage the accelerator itself and burrow into the rock around the tunnel.

Nothing of the sort occurred Wednesday, though the accelerator is still probably a year away from full power.

The project organized by the 20 European member nations of CERN has attracted researchers from 80 nations. Some 1,200 are from the United States, an observer country that contributed US$531 million. Japan, another observer, also is a major contributor.

Some scientists have been waiting for 20 years to use the LHC.

The complexity of manufacturing it required groundbreaking advances in the use of supercooled, superconducting equipment. The 2001 start and 2005 completion dates were pushed back by two years each, and the cost of the construction was 25 percent higher than originally budgeted in 1996, Luciano Maiani, who was CERN director-general at the time, told The Associated Press.

Maiani and the other three living former directors-general attended the launch Wednesday.

Smaller colliders have been used for decades to study the makeup of the atom. Less than 100 years ago scientists thought protons and neutrons were the smallest components of an atom's nucleus, but in stages since then experiments have shown they were made of still smaller quarks and gluons and that there were other forces and particles.

[timelord]

well its past the 10th of sept here. and as i have posted elsewhere we are still here. no time dilation. no black holes. no portals in the sky for extra dimensional aliens to invade from (as far as i know). nothing not a dam blip of activity. looks like sep is still a no show for anything decisive good or bad.

[Andre]

Cern special: The 9 billion dollar question

Today, mankind’s greatest experiment begins as the Large Hadron Collider powers up. The cost is huge, the scale is massive – and the discoveries could be enormous. But, asks Andy McSmith, what does it all add up to?

http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00023/Cern-080408_23019a.jpg

It was Oscar Wilde who declared that "all art is useless" – which was not a condemnation, but a proclamation. If you want to create something of beauty, he meant, do not be distracted by people who ask what it is for. On that basis, whatever emerges from the £4.4bn experiment that begins today in the vast complex built at the Cern – The European Organisation for Nuclear Research – laboratory near Geneva, where infinitesimally small particles travelling at mind-boggling speeds will crash together with so much force that they almost replicate the Big Bang, could be called the most expensive work of art in human history.

Mathematicians and physicists have a sense of the aesthetic, as surely as poets and dramatists. In Einstein's theory of relativity or Kepler's laws of planetary motion, they see works of great simplicity and beauty. What they long for now is a simple and beautiful "theory of everything" that will explain the whole of physics, from the movement of galaxies to the behaviour of subatomic particles, because there is a hole in theoretical physics which causes more distress to the 6,500 scientists working on Cern's Large Hadron Collider (LHC) than the scary speculation about the black hole that some people think will swallow up earth if their experiment goes wrong.

At present, anything big enough for us to see, from a star to a speck of dust, is known to obey one set of physical laws, but at the subatomic level, among those unimaginably tiny particles that are the building blocks of the universe, another set of laws apply. No one has definitively reconciled the two.

Moreover, the best explanation the human race has so far devised for explaining the behaviour of subatomic particles, the so-called Standard Model, is not a work of art, it is a monstrosity. Whereas Einstein's equation relating mass to energy is expressed in just characters, E=mc2, writing out the Standard Model goes on for page after ugly page of symbols.

And even then, it leaves an awkward gap. Put it this way: if you walked beneath the window of a school classroom, and a pupil dropped a feather on your head, you would not mind; but if he dropped a brick, that would hurt, because a brick is heavy and a feather is light. But not according to the Standard Model, because nowhere in the theory is there any indication that particles have mass. Down there among the subatomic particles, all is seemingly weightless. That is very annoying for those great artists who poke at the boundaries of theoretical physics. They want to know why, in the trillionth of a second after it all began with the Big Bang, stuff came into existence where there had been no stuff before. One answer, worked out in theory, assumes the existence of something called the Higgs boson, or more fancifully, the God particle.

To you or me, Higgs boson – if it exists – is so unimaginably tiny that it is no surprise no instrument has found it; but in the subatomic world, it is a monster, a particle so much vaster than all those quarks, Z bosons and other subatomic oddities that it can only exist for an immeasurable fraction of a second before it disintegrates.

Even the LHC will not catch a Higgs boson, if it exists. What the physicists expect, however, is that the machinery will pick up proof that a Higgs boson was there for a fraction of a microsecond, from the debris left behind from its disintegration.

If that happens, science has taken a giant leap forward. We will know something that previously we only supposed. Conversely, if the vast experiment at Cern does not produce a Higgs boson, the theoretical physicists will have to retrace their steps and think a whole new explanation for life, the universe and everything. But cosmologists – who study the biggest things in the universe – are hoping that the unprecedented experiment in Geneva will uncover "supersymmetric particles", because if they exist, they turn the key to one of the great mysteries of outer space – why are galaxies 10 times heavier that they appear to be?

There are two ways of estimating the total mass of a galaxy. You can either study what you can see, and deduce its total mass, or you can study the movement of the stars on the outermost edge of the galaxy, and calculate the gravitational pull. It has been done many times, and each time one of the two methods is used it produces a different result from the other. The discrepancies have been so consistent that the only satisfactory answer is that there is a vast amount of matter in the universe that has mass, but which cannot be seen or detected.

In truth we cannot know what the experiment will throw up. When the particles start to collide in the LHC in October, they will generate an energy that will be like concentrating the energy from a head on collision between two high-speed electric trains into a pinpoint. The theory that the world will vanish in a black hole is only one of the fanciful suppositions about what will happen next. Another is that time travellers will use the wormhole in the space-time continuum generated in the LHC to pay us a visit. Professor Keith Mason, chief executive of the Science and Technology Facilities Council said: "I believe we are poised on the threshold of a new age of physics. Scientists waiting for the LHC dare to ask the biggest questions that exist in modern science. They want to test our understanding of the universe and find out if dark matter exists, whether the four dimensions of space-time are it or in fact there are eleven dimensions! They want to know why some particles have mass and some, like particles of light, don't.

"Using the four detectors... we will be able to look at these mysteries that go to the fundamental nature of the universe."

To the question "what is the use of it all?", the short answer is that it is "useless – but not for long". "No one knows exactly what new fields of knowledge the LHC will open up to us," says Dr Robert Kirby-Harris, chief executive of the Institute of Physics. But he forecasts that; "the technological payback will be huge. The need to deal with the vast quantities of data the LHC will produce has already resulted in new grid technology to increase storage and capacity, and improve the capacity of the internet to carry more and more data. And I have no doubt that this will encourage more school students to study physics – exactly what the UK needs to ensure a vibrant future."

And anyone who objects to having nearly £5bn of European taxpayers' money spent on a plaything for boffins should consider this: years ago, the scientists at Cern wanted to improve the means by which they communicated by computer with other scientists around the world, so they designed the World Wide Web. Then they gave the technology away, for nothing. Consider how much money has been made from that free gift... and stop complaining.

[clayman]

Yes, CERN and the LHC (Large Hadron Collider)

$4.4 Billion Pounds to build.

Stupid idiots they are.
They can't even stop plastic polluting the oceans.
They can't even get off oil and gasoline.
They can't even talk about outer space properly.
They can't even teach Love and Care at schools.
They can't even let women stay at home with the kids
doing hobbies, because they want to TAX everyone!!!
They can't even stop using Nuclear Power Stations.
They can't even stop tobacco corporations or similar,
developing mind control technology in secret.

They just spend 4.4 billion pounds to see what happens
after the big bang. Risking making black holes.

No wonder 57+ different species of extraterrestrials are watching!!!

:mfr_lol:





hehehe this one made me laugh =) But I do agree, its absurd to pay 4.4 billions to shoot some atoms at each other and se what happens, when the world is basicly ******, nice priorities, i must say... retards throwing ice cubes at the sun....


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[rockpicker]

There is an interesting paper recently posted questioning the validity of black hole theory.

http://www.thunderbolts.info/thunderblogs/index.htm

Bringing The Black Hole Fallacy Into Focus
Sep 07 ~ Stephen J. Crothers

I'm not a physicist, but the man's questions seem to be valid ones.

Can anyone address this subject?

[dad2059]

Yup, the LHC started up and we're all still stuck here.

Of course we have to wait for another 30 days before they start the real serious stuff, like the actual particle smashing.

There's hope for the Apocalypse yet! :mfr_omg:
/snark

[Andre]

Yup, the LHC started up and we're all still stuck here.

Of course we have to wait for another 30 days before they start the real serious stuff, like the actual particle smashing.

There's hope for the Apocalypse yet! :mfr_omg:
/snark
You mean let's hope that this is not the Apocalypse.

[dad2059]

You mean let's hope that this is not the Apocalypse

I was being a smart-ass, as to snark doomsayers.

Stephan Hawking made a $100 bet that the Higgs Boson won't be found.

I agree, it's good odds that Hawking is right.

But as Arthur C. Clarke once said, " If an elderly but distinguished scientist says that something is possible, he is almost certainly right; but if he says that it is impossible, he is very probably wrong. "

[timelord]

im pretty sure were all tripping on nothing here. im sure the powers that be want to keep milking this little heard of sheep for some time yet.

And if all the reports are true that aliens want to harvest this planet. im sure they wouldnt allow black holes to be formed. if black holes even exist. there is a documentary called thunderbolts of the gods(google vid it), which postulates an electric universe and in that model black holes are not super dense collapsed stars but some sort of energy vortex connecting galaxies or some such thing. either way made alot of sense in the doco.

so in short there is too much invested in this planet for the controllers to be allowed to blow it up. if i was a betting man i would bet that the only thing the LHC would do is tear a hole is space time. open a gateway for something or someone again sounds like fantasy but nor more unbelievable than black holes being formed. and as with a tear in space time it would not be global just local so we would have to be there to see if it did anything. and from what i hear its pretty remote.

long story short im sure we will be ok. i would be more concerned with nukes going off

[I_Am]

And Indonesia.
And Japan.

Coincidences?:mfr_omg:

Oh boy ohh boyy!!!.....just hours after this cern testing thing, a mojor 7.5 quake hits Iran......damn.. so many things we do not know...

[corvo]

And Indonesia.
And Japan.

Coincidences?:mfr_omg:
and Chile

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5ithKoQw1XY-Qh5i5jRovey1TtVNQD9340C1G0

[RobMon]

For up-to-date information on quakes:

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/recenteqsww/

[Henry Deacon]

if people wish to has serious discussion then Please cut down on posting superstitious nonsense.

i wish to also state that if Anyone speaks for me or attempts to paraphrase/quote what i have told them.. it may not be reliable or accurate information. i have been misquoted, etc. quite often.

Best Wishes,

"Henry Deacon"

[ForsakenFalcon]

being humorish here but all this is a ALLFULL lot like a block buster video game lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXrYSEOg3Ro

[Kahunamahalo]

Oooh, here it is September 11th and I'm still here.

[majorlee]

Earthquakes happen all over the world by nature and maybe some by that freaky HARRP project the got over in Alaska

all they have done so far is send particles and made them go faster

and even to say it creates black holes is superstition since we cannot prove black holes exist - just like the big bang...we cannot prove that happened either - i for one of many beleive the universe has always been here in INFINITY constantly changing and there was never a big bang.

All there experiments of smashing and destroying could make bad news for life on the infinitly small - they could be destroying universes/galaxy's/whole civilisations without realising this

why dont we spend 9 billion on a machine that builds other machines? kinda like a molecular 3D printer instead of destroying things...

[I_Am]

I lean towards Tessla here...
HAARP is all about frequencies and resonance.

I am very convinced that one of the LHC clues lies in the same area. The length of the circle * speed of the particles * mass of particles * number of sweeps = energy * frequence = VERY INTERESTING RESULTS!

But, what do I know about these things? The only one who really was open whith theses theories was the old Serbian fellow Tessla...and he was litterally destroyed and humiliated, wasn't he?

:sneaky2:

[Alcyone11]

I stumbled upon another view from William Henry of the project LHC.
Maybe they are creating a wormhole...

http://www.williamhenry.net/art_dis-cerning.html

[I_Am]

Great and terrifying reading! Thx for the link.
:mfr_omg:

[cuppa T]

Conclusive proof that the LHC has created a black hole that swallowed us:

http://www.cyriak.co.uk/lhc/lhc-webcams.html

:original:

[I_Am]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7626944.stm

[Nik]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_osrVjnPbdEM/SL6O2afSIrI/AAAAAAAAD98/RRs2hXdgg-4/s1600/Gordon%2BFreeman%2BSpotted%2BAt%2BCERN.jpg


For those that get the joke...


:lmfao:

[Suriel]

There is nothing to worry about. We are living in a black hole right now. When you look into the sky at night. You will see that it is dark and all the planets rotate around each other. There is a central point in our galaxy. Does this trigger anything?

CERN will discover time travel. The creation of making artificial black holes will be the key to slipping from one universe to the other.

The Earth will not end. Have you ever seen that show, "Sliders"? I recommend you watch it. It explains what they will discover.

This physical reality is only a 3d representation of what we are. It allows are spirits to work in lower vibrational frequencies to experience all these cool things.

It reminds me of a dream I had when I met David Wilcock mowing his lawn. All the neighbors came out and waved at me. Then all of the people turned into David Wilcock. So, then I pulled out this device and made a gateway.

I slipped into another Earth. And it was terrible. I ended up in a Earth full of bullies and criminals. Or it could have been the same Earth but I ended up in an alley way in LA. LOL. I woke up after that.

Anyway, nothing to worry about folks.

cuPPaT, Nice animation videos. I did something similar in Adobe ImageReady.

:biggrin2:

[izz]

Hi Im not here to Spam Stuff but this got my attention a friend of mind brought this to me.
Proton Accelerator

Quick info (not sure its all right but just to give a small picture of it)

Big circular tubing system under earth in France/Swiss border

They take molecules and make them go fast (really fast) around the circle (17 miles circle)
(not sure but Dann Brown in demon and Angel is talking about This)

They collide molecules (protons) to make them smaller and get to the smallest part to find out the composition of the smallest particles known

The CERN is making a new one and are testing it on September 10th

ill give you a link you may want to check they give you all the details and they are talking about Black hole because this will go at 99.9% of light speed


If anyone knows anything about it

I know Einstein and some Greats minds of this planet had alot of theories about time travel and Light speed

http://www.physorg.com/news139467844.html

Quote from the site

But will the collisions be powerful enough to create a tiny mass of particles with a gravitational pull so strong it can "eat" other matter -- a microscopic black hole? And if yes, could such a thing grow big enough to swallow Earth itself?

Fred

Montreal/QC

where have you been this has been in the news constantly for weeks !! :naughty:

[Rocky_Shorz]

Project shut down until next spring...

Too cold to make repairs this year before winter sets in...

One less thing to worry about in October...:sneaky2:

[starskipper]

As everybody knows, LHC had a serious, multiple magnet failure the day after it was started up, and it won't be circulating beam before spring of 2009.

An interesting side note:
Dr Lyn Evans, project director of LHC , was being celebrated on Sept10 at the sports club where I am a member, so I walked up and congratulated him on the succesful (as it seemed ) fire-up of LHC. I did *not* ask him when the machine would start destroying the planet , as this kind of question seems a bit silly to me.
However, a friend of mine staid on for dinner and he had a good chat with Lyn. After talking about the famous Higgs Boson and the Micro Black Holes, he asked : So what about the Ether Research you are going to do with the LHC ? - and there Lyn Evans went silent and said he could definitely not comment on that topic.
More soon -
Starskipper