for ground crew NOT moving anywhere

[clarkkent]

hi folks,

this is not "diss" to anyone, ive just noticed there are plenty of people on Avalon who just arent going to move to any radiant zones or four points or anywhere else that isnt forecasted as doomed.

the fact is people have lives and loved ones friends etc that will have to go through these "rough waters" so to speak and many people just wont abandon them to live with strangers in rural communities who were brought together in survival mode.

ive quoted PC witness marcia shafer and ill do it here again
"live for life dont live for death"

i think theres a good amount of people reading these threads that are a little bummed that the latest interview which was called one of the more powerful and important ,was, to some people, fear based and doom and gloomy.
now dont get me wrong micheal st clair and others who prescribe to the "safe place" ideas present EXCEPTIONALLY positive and rational ideas.
but its a fact that these ideas are wrapped in the fabric of survival.

again dont get me wrong, ive bought silver and will probably move back to my small town if things get unpleasant in NY, practicality is different than "to be destroyed or not to be destroyed" ---where im headed (northern CA) is not under what any contactee or PC witness has stated as "safe" or "radiant" but again if a tidal wave sweeps me away id rather be with the community i grew up with and my mom and a couple friends.

to me, FEAR of death has been the ONLY way very few people could control and manipulate the many. if it really is our fate for 95% of humanity to be destroyed then that means a LOT of good and spiritual or non spiritual people will be gone, maybe i might have to be one of those people. in fact the elite have the same agenda , they have their "safe places" underground
they have the same fear/survival conscioussness.

heres a thought-
wont people need people like us, who know what the government is really up to? wont people need calm and spiritual people to help guide them through the chaos and organize and work to get through the times ahead?

is it service to others if you abandon everything you know and who you love to go to some remote place and hope you dont die? or is that service to self?
earth has many different futures and realites, why choose the most damaging one? why give your energy to it? heres a quote from gregg braden (google the name to find out about him)

"Quantum science suggests the existence of many possible futures for each moment of our lives. Each future lies in a state of rest until it is awakened by choices made in the present. "

regarding this
check these please
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vN686OUAJM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko4ehMxt17M&feature=related

with that in mind,
let this thread be a place for people who arent moving and need to discuss ideas on living through these times based on where they are.


-kyle

[eris]

to me, FEAR of death has been the ONLY way very few people could control and manipulate the many.

-kyle

i feel that alot, thanx for bringing it in, i love our Gregg B, ace guy, creating a mini radiant zone of loving kindness around me is my top shot & you're right about not charging doom scenarios, it just doesn't hang right, even if the mass of consciousness 'chose' a doom laden future, why spoil your now by pondering it aswell!

i don't fear death, i know my true Self, all is well, i trust i will be guided if i need to be :original:

[Shellie]

Thanks you for that. I am sure the reality is that the vast majority of us cannot just pack up and leave unless/until Whatever happens, just like there are many who can't afford to buy gold or silver, and there are apartment dwellers who can't grow their own food. We each need to do what we can for our own situation in the current times and get our heads out of the wishful thinking/regret mode of buying a chunk of land and homesteading with a few dozen other families. These thoughts are for those with the capabilities; for the rest of us, it is a waste of time and energy. Work on relationships instead. It is the people around you who are going to help you get through the coming mess.

[Chris Parson]

appreciate the words kyle. needed to be said.

[Jenn]

I agree that we create this reality, I don't want to fear
and feed the doom and gloom. I want to move, but more for personal reasons, and not too far away.
I am in a bad spot, surrounded by water.
Since I was little I have dreamt of floods and the waters rising,
so I moved by the sea, lol.
I guess if its my lot to got down, that's what will happen.
In my dreams I am always alive though. It is the fact that I have children who might have to live through a rough future that frightens me.
I want to be as safe as possible for them.
Mostly though, dooms day or no dooms day, I would just like to learn how to live more harmoniously with the planet and be a walking radiant zone.

Dr Quantum Explains The Law of Attraction Scientifically
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQpEI0Rz41M

:original:

[Merlyn]

Everyone,

I think this is an important topic and perhaps people should work on finding people in their own areas to support one another.

Also the idea of Avalon members uniting consciousness using ideas in quantum physics like the books "The Holographic Universe" by Machel Talbot, "The Divine Matrix" by Gregg Braden, and "The Field" by Lynne Mctaggart we could do what Lakota Elder Black Elk suggested "Dream a New Dream."

So I suggest that we focus more on people forming their local groups and these groups can work together to "Dream a New Dream."

http://faculty.uml.edu/enelson/images/black%20elk.jpg

[777 The Great Work]

I agree that we create this reality, I don't want to fear
and feed the doom and gloom. I want to move, but more for personal reasons, and not too far away.
I am in a bad spot, surrounded by water.
Since I was little I have dreamt of floods and the waters rising,
so I moved by the sea, lol.
I guess if its my lot to got down, that's what will happen.
In my dreams I am always alive though. It is the fact that I have children who might have to live through a rough future that frightens me.
I want to be as safe as possible for them.
Mostly though, dooms day or no dooms day, I would just like to learn how to live more harmoniously with the planet and be a walking radiant zone.

Dr Quantum Explains The Law of Attraction Scientifically
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQpEI0Rz41M

:original:

In my eyes its not doom and gloom, just change and to resist change is to resist life.
But you don't start rearranging the furniture on a sinking ship. You remove your self from those desperste non thinkers that are trying to save the crystal chandalier and wish to strike up the band so they won't here the screaming of the lambs.

[pilot]

excellent ideas clarkkent-i refuse to run and hide, if i die i die, but i'm planning on building a community in my small town, not giving in to fear-i really agree with your points, esp. needing to be with loved ones as the tide turns staying calm and helping others ride it out if possible.

sorry for lowercase, holding dog one hand typing

[clarkkent]

In my eyes its not doom and gloom, just change and to resist change is to resist life.
But you don't start rearranging the furniture on a sinking ship. You remove your self from those desperste non thinkers that are trying to save the crystal chandalier and wish to strike up the band so they won't here the screaming of the lambs.

anyone who has had positive change for our species never ran away from obstacles. no one is talking about distracting people from whats going on, your missing the point of this thread--certain people wont/or cant move to the hills or a remote part of the world.

the idea that we are on a sinking ship, and the most enlightened solution is to remove yourself ,is exactly what i dont believe and if you cared about 95% of the rest of humanity or your loved ones who wont move to a community in the yukon is what this thread is for.

dealing with whats coming WHERE you currently are. not everyone has $250,000 dollars worth of silver to move to ecuador or to be in a radiant zone in germany with scientists and horticulturists on hand.

[JohnWdoe]

Many people simply don't have the money to move or the resources which can make them maybe feel helpless...

I cannot tell you how many "agents" on infowars or prisonplanet that are saying "arm yourselfs for the coming mess". Well it seems they do not want to leave and would rather fight and maybe die to protect what they feel is their own, all i can say to those people is "i cannot stop anyone of you... your all adults" so lets be realistic and NOT fight, realism is all i can offer to save lives its up to someone to make the choice.

Personally where i live ill be ok and can maintain food and water easily (fishing rod and clear lakes) it all comes down to if i can catch a fish and maybe get a deer if ALL else fails. If i did hunt i would use every bit and give it all back to the land (my home has many native ancestors who i admire) they have taught me alot.

Maybe ill go get some nice pictures taken with them for you all, i could get headbands and other various decorations for anyone here who wants something made by there hands. Just send me a message if you so desire.

[Irving]

After much thought I have decided not to go anywhere. I have too many friends and family who aren't fully aware of what is happening and I cannot imagine myself leaving the area while knowing full well that they will suffer if things do get bad. I am going down with the ship if she sinks. I have a very solid mental state and I know full well what is likely to come. I think I can do much more good by sharing wisdom and strength during rough times with family and friends rather than running off and hiding in some cave somewhere trying to ride things out. The hell with doing that. I have guns, 2 months of food, heritage seeds and plenty of ambition and spirit for taking on whatever happens. I'm not going anywhere. :thumb_yello:

[Chris Parson]

"death is perfectly safe"

but i think i'll make it through the transition even if i stay. :original:

[Operator]

Hi,

I am not moving either, but I am lucky to be in quite a reasonable area already.
Probably you are right Kyle that moving is not the ultimate thing that is going to save you from ... (?) whatever.

But maybe it's worth a moment not to look at your own fear but that of others. You can control yourself but you can't/shouldn't control others.

I am trying to grasp what 'radiant' zone could mean.

I have been looking for 2 videos, I can find only one and a link to a website that will have to do for the moment.

This video is about indigenous elders about to meet and share wisdom:
http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/drunvalo.htm

This link is I guess more or less about the same how to 'protect' yourself by meditation:
http://www.invincibledefence.org/meffect.html
(there is a video also but I can't find it)

I think that you can create a radiant zone anywhere using the techniques and wisdom as shared above.
However the 'rotten apples' that can spoil everything as mentioned by M. StClair could potentially be masses of people that do
have fear.

So it's not about physical areas I think ! It is about the resonance of the group you're in ...
But even if you have a positive group of 100 you maybe outnumbered by a group of 1000 negatives.
If I understand this right then staying in a crowded / uncontrolled area is what you should avoid.

I am on an island fully aware of that Tsunamis could flush us away. However I 'feel' somehow confident that it's not going
to happen. Probably because it's not crowded here and the surrounding people here are more or less already in
a service to others mood + there's a meditation center only 15 meters away where weekly group meditation is done ....

Again, this is how far I got to understand it ...
Cheers

[Operator]

"death is perfectly safe"


Question: "what happens if you get scared half to death twice ?"

[crowmirror]

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[Sky Otter]

geeeeze finally someone singing my song...thanks

i am not moving..i don't have gold or silver..but i have wonderful folks around me in this small boro..
i volunteered to the zoning board to learn how the community is run..
the boro council makes 50 bucks a month and they do an awesome job
people talk to each other and help where needed..
i have been planting veggies and herbs in the flower gardens as well as a large garden..
i am sharing seeds to anyone who wants them

and i have ask to be removed from the registry here because i am going back to playing polyanna and digging in the dirt and meditation on the joy of growing and sharing...

what will be will be...but i think i can do much more good by being positive
and radiating joy to those near by than i can by being here and chit chatting about what is the right thing or who does anyone else think they are

but i must say there are sooo many of you wonderful folks out there
i hug you all
and
thank you for your positive views and your FEAR-LESS-NESS

wavin

:flowers2:

Dian


also you might want to check this out
http://www.communitygarden.org/

[Frank Samuel]

Hey Clark you are right on the money. Stay put and fight, fight for life!!! If you are fearing death, you are running to meet your end, there's a 100% possibility that we will all die someday. But that day is not today. So stay put and fight to live, love , learn. Give your loved ones a BIG HUG and tell them that you love them. Survival for me is what we are doing everyday all day. That is because you are born in a world where you lack control, this site is providing us with the tools to fight. The tools are very obvious. We can win, visualize it, create it in your life. Even in prison no one can kill your spirit therefore you have won, because even in that dreadful moment you are free.:thumb_yello:

[addalight]

Bless you Clark Kent for starting this thread. This is such an amazing community. We have signed up to help with the transition, what ever form that takes. Preservation of love, joy, free will and our connection to Creator/Spirit is most important. That is something that goes beyond physical survival. Thank you Merlyn for reminding me of Black Elk. He created a spark in my heart that has stayed with me for last 30+ years.

[crowmirror]

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[Lance]

Thanks Kent, I've been thinking about this for a long time. I am staying put where I am even against the 'wisdom' of others. I had a dream that lsted three nights in a row and am living in the exact place I experienced 21 years ago now. Damn I'm getting old referring to double digit decades. Anyhow, the idea of Radiant Zones fascinates me in that I did a three hour interview many years ago on my concept of 'Permapaths' which seems to tie in. My friend recently found a kind of crappy camera grab during the main interview and I hope to be able to post the link on youtube for everyone here soon.

As for all the awakened people moving to one particular area...I simply do not trust the PTw to NOT have come up with concept so we could be more easily 'managed', as in killed. I have no fear of death, though it would break my son's heart, but I do 'smell' something rotten about all the people whom seem to 'get it', in their own unique ways, being asked to gather. My knowledge about a very viable skill, Permaculture...could take me anywhere. But the actual fact of the matter is that it took me the last 7 years to gain the skills to raise a percentage of my own food here, where I live.

How exactly would I live, except maybe plantation style in some one else's cystem (sic), anywhere I had no ability to use my 'meat' to back up my design knowledge? Just a question. Scary as it may seem to some, I think catastrophobia is being perpetuated in many circles. If I, and my family die in a giant tsunami...wow! What a way to go! I think we as a species is RECOVERING from catastrophe long past. I am not expecting the ground to screw me over anytime in the near future.

[droid56]

And some of us are too old to head out on a survival trek.

[Sky Otter]

a good resource

http://www.communitygarden.org/

[Chris Parson]

people like to get caught up in the escalation of negative impacts on the planet. everything is accelerating though. not just the negative aspect. people's consciousness is elevating at an amazing rate. i see it all around me. i've seen the potential for people to have sudden and drastic shifts in consciousness. it is happening faster and faster. that transcendental object at the end of time is just all of history speeding up to a single point. and both the yin and the yang are along for the ride.

i'm not at all fearful about the coming years. if anything i'm really excited about being around to see it all go down.

[Oiran]

"Bomb shelters are a fallacy. 'It is only materialistic people who seek to make shelters. Those who are at peace in their hearts already are in the great shelter of life. There is no shelter for evil. Those who take no part in the making of world division by ideology are ready to resume life in another world, be they Black, White, Red, or Yellow race. They are all one, brothers.'

The war will be 'a spiritual conflict with material matters. Material matters will be destroyed by spiritual beings who will remain to create one world and one nation under one power, that of the Creator.' That time is not far off."

Taken from, "Hopi Prophecy"
http://www.welcomehome.org/rainbow/prophecy/hopi1.html


Thanks for starting this thread, Clarkkent. I also won't be running for the hills (caves, desert, etc)... not unless if it's absolutely necessary. In the meantime, I will do my best to prepare for what may or may not be coming our way. But, catastrophic disaster or not, being kind and helpful to our neighbors, eating home-grown foods, drinking pure water, meditating and learning to trust our intuition, approaching our health in a holistic manner, utilizing alternative therapies, choosing to educate ourselves and hone our discernment, waking our loved ones up -- simply learning to live in a more natural state.... those aren't such bad things to adopt, are they?


"Now is a very good time to learn. Learn what plants will sustain you nutritionally and will heal you naturally. Learn where and how to get them, and how to prepare and use them. Learn how to preserve and store them. Learn what natural resources are around you and who your neighbors are, and get ready to share what you have in abundance with them in exchange for what you may need that they have plenty of. NOW is the time to step back from anything that reeks of the old energy, the old attitudes, the old intentions....

Disengage from anything built on greed and fear, manipulation and exploitation. Cut your ties now, and simplify your needs so that the lack of access to goods doesn't catch you unaware. See anything around you that is faulty and feeding on lack as the temporary, insubstantial illusion it really is, and don't feed it your time, money, or attention anymore. Open your mind to what your life would be like if the stores were empty, the schools were closed, the doctors were gone, and your power was out...

We have to lose it ALL in order to find our power again. And now is the time for that. Now is the time to recognize that there is one indispensable thing that we all need, and that we all have, in order to navigate this chaotic disintegration of our world. And that is our intuition. Only that, and nothing else, will be steadfast and powerful, no matter what challenge you face in the midst of this situation."

Taken from, "NOW is the time!"
http://www.lightworkers.org/content/46770/now-is-the-time

[starsoul23]

I just moved to a place where I don't know anyone and I know it is not safe.
I know I am trained to help people and will provide service where I can.

[lightwalker]

Thanks for this thread.

When my kids were little in the 80's this same type of scenario (doom/gloom) came into my life. It was a gift because it brought up all my fears (especially for my children) and I refused to do anything or go any where out of this huge fear I had. I dug in my heels and got informed and learned about choices. I had many friends that all moved to other locations. I decided that if the east coast was going to fall off into the ocean I was going to stay with my loved ones and go down with them. I literally moved into a different reality and I believe that is what is happening in this now moment to many more people than we realize. BTW the ones that moved all eventually moved back.

I too believe that this is the most exciting time to be alive and on this planet.

lightwalker

[Morgan]

First, thank you for starting this thread!

i think theres a good amount of people reading these threads that are a little bummed that the latest interview which was called one of the more powerful and important ,was, to some people, fear based and doom and gloomy.
now dont get me wrong micheal st clair and others who prescribe to the "safe place" ideas present EXCEPTIONALLY positive and rational ideas.
but its a fact that these ideas are wrapped in the fabric of survival.

I haven't seen the last interview, but this does not make me want to! What knd of advice is 'move away from where you are!' for people who can't? There are plenty of spiritual and awake POOR people who can't just up and leave, and even some who ARE affluent and spiritual will not so easily leave behind loved ones to suffer. I don't think fleeing to radiant zones is the answer to what we will face. The chaos will spread everywhere, if people believe there will be mass chaos. (I do not believe this, however.)

I think everyone is going really overboard with predictions of doom. People are getting a little (or a lot) into fear mode, some are even unaware of it. I wasn't born yesterday, I know there's some challenges coming, but has anyone noticed that there are about as many different predictions for how it's all going to go down as there are people on this forum? (At least it seems so!) We have this amazing ability to get trapped in our minds and make problems WORSE than they really are.

This is exactly what I am refusing to partake in. Yes, with my puny savings I will perhaps get some seeds and other cheap supplies, but when I'm not on Avalon I'm hardly thinking about this stuff. Whatever happens happens, I can't stop the government or earth changes and I'm not going to play the terra-lottery trying to 'outrun' the PTB or the tsunamis.

No offense to people going the other way, everyone makes their own decisions and you gotta do what your voices are telling you. I just appreciate this thread because it's for 'the rest of us' who are staying behind.

[Suriel]

Life is always full of uncertainty and fear. I often question myself what to do if anything bad would happen. I think about my children and my wife. I think about my mother and dad and all of the people I care about. I shake my head at all the negative information that I am reading in these posts from this forum and the internet. A part of me believes that we are all experiencing many challenges in our lives and in the world.

So, I calm down and I have to think rationally about most the material being presented and how it could effect my family. Then I look over at my one year old daughter and I see the smile on her face. All those worries just wash away instantly. That made me realize that I have something special. I get to live my life with the people that I love. And I know that we can't afford to leave or desert the people we care about. Especially, if we know that maybe more than half of the material could be disinformation.

I have to live my life. Sometimes it is harder for people to focus on life instead of death. Dying is the easy part. Life is the greatest challenge.

I have also helped so many people in my life that have crossed my path. I met my wife in this small town. We got married and now I have two wonderful children. I believe it was fate for me being here. And I do believe when the time is right we will naturally progress towards another safer environment. But it won't be due to fear. It will be because that new place will be the hometown of my wife. She wants to move back home.

The best thing we can do is be ourselves and not run in fear. Where would we go? And how could we afford it. It is hard enough to pay the electric bill and provide food for the family.

I live in love. And I know that no matter what happens, I have lived a full life. Giving into fear only brings about panic and chaos. I can't afford to have that in my life. Especially around my children that depend on me for guidance.

And please don't get me wrong if I had enough notice that a meteor was coming, I would put my family in a safer location if I could. Or if I had enough warning that there was a nuclear attack, I would make appropriate actions to put my family out of the blast zone.

However, we all have ways that we can help each other spiritually. We all have certain skills that will be benificial to our communities. When the time is right, we will find our way through to a better world.

But I believe running scared isn't the answer. Living in the now with love is the true guidance to potential safety in the future. But to get from point A to point B takes time and preparation with these changes. It also takes money. And unfortunately, that is scarce. And I kind of like where I am right now and feel that I am here for a reason for this moment.

Peace.

[Chris Parson]

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y297/mentalnote/Beherefront.jpg

[333mark333]

Thanks :) Its like i said earlier- its not where we live but HOW we live. Edgar cayce.

[Sky Otter]

hi guys

this was posted elsewhere and i just watched Drunvalo Melchizedek

at the very end after he speaks of the mayans writting their own book
he says that it is a wonderful time and
if you are in you heart not your head you can stand in a field naked and be fine...
i like this thought a lot better ..and also interesting how he says the hopi say they come from the mayans...it's all very interesting
waving
D

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/drunvalo.htm



http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/drunvalo.htm

[clarkkent]

let me thank everyone for posting in this thread with fearlessness.

i could see many people not jive or resonate with the future disaster "move away" and survival/fear based way we seem to be prodded into going.

i want to thank again bill and kerry for providing this place for us to discuss, and i hope they're not offended by this thread or my posts. i know they want to distribute practical and informative information for people in what we all know will be challenging times.

collectively we as a community know that probably MOST of us will not be able to move to switzerland or the four corners or any radiant zones.

so the practical question is...what do we do? well i think the first thing in order is to realize you are NOT doomed to die in earth changes. this certainly is a possibility, but only that....a possibility.

so once that is established we should take the time to absoluteley discuss what is going down in our world/country on a day to day basis.
these are VERY interesting times, the positive and negative forces are at extreme levels and we will all take part in our own way.

im very glad to see other folks being honest and positive about their own individual situations, we shouldn't despair if we cant get to the very few places deemed safe by some PC witnesses. lets envision what we WANT to see happen, not what we FEAR will happen.

i keep making the analogy of "winter" to my friends. if you know winter is coming and it is natural for it to come, then you prepare, you buy a jacket and stock up on firewood and know that it can be harsh, but spring looms around the corner. you dont freak out that winter is coming and abandon everyone you know and love ,gather your things and flee to tahiti in fear of freezing to death.

anyhow thanks for eveyones input, and bill and kerry i hope you understand where im coming from :)

-kyle

[333mark333]

hi guys

this was posted elsewhere and i just watched Drunvalo Melchizedek

at the very end after he speaks of the mayans writting their own book
he says that it is a wonderful time and
if you are in you heart not your head you can stand in a field naked and be fine...
i like this thought a lot better ..and also interesting how he says the hopi say they come from the mayans...it's all very interesting
waving
D

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/drunvalo.htm



http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/drunvalo.htm

Wow, i just watched the video! very interesting- a must watch. Its How we live not where!!
Thanks for the post :)

[mwood82]

Thanks kyle, this has really surpressed my anxiety and put me in a peaceful state. I live 1 mile from the pacific ocean in Santa Barbara and have lived here all my 20 years. Knowing that a pole shift is probable, my life depends on me moving. but the fact is that I wont and my family wont. This gives me mixed feelings of gloom and of content. For now what happens, happens, and I will take in every beautiful day my home has to offer.

-michael

[MMe M]

So as to moving I have a few thoughts presently.
When I first became aware of many things, I had an overwhelming urge, a sheer stupefying panic to get out of here, not just my current location, but the whole continent. Once that panic passed, I considered ways to make my current location safe if I must dig in. Finances do not allow this luxury and now I am seriously in doubt as to which path to pursue. The future predictions peoples maps are a little fuzzy as to Michigan. I know for certain there was water everywhere here once, my property is covered with rocks containing fossils, really cool if your not awake, terrifying if you are as my house is on the highest area in at least a 50 mile radius.

I see the Norway guy offering to set up a commune type deal for little $$$ and that could be kinda cool but I keep hearing this voice inside my head saying “NO Flippin way!!! Ahhh ….Jonestown…duhhh!” regardless if it was AK47’s or grape kool-aide, I need some people in the hood that speak my language and I need to know the terrain, culture and military in order to survive.

I really liked the hobbit house idea but that requires land, which means I need capital so we are right back to square one. I will probably change my mind five more times by the time I hit the post button. I do know that currently my choices have been reduced drastically by outside uncontrollable events and this is what makes me the most insane. When I feel I have no means of manipulating the outcome I am in a sheer state of panic.

Choices are freedom and we are all loosing the ability to choose.

[SHAMANKA]

Thank you Clark, this is the sort of discussion I searched and joined Avalon for.
It is impossible for me too move away from where I am which is not excatly an inspiringly safe place in spite of its beauty and rural location.
I live between this
http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/server/show/nav.3157
and this
http://www.british-energy.com/pagetemplate.php?pid=90
Its a well known fact that Scotland has been the favoured place to *place* strategic weapons and of course to build Nuclear power stations too late to change that right now!

There must be thousands and thousands of people , like me who live in areas and under certain circumstances, ie caring for a disabled relative, unable to move to somewhere *safer*

Is this part of the agenda to get the Eugenics completed by ridding the planet of the *needy* as we are the ones who cant flee...
I too get angry at the fact that conctactees seem to witness tall blondes ( anyone for Barbie? )

what follows is from what you said on another thread, I am new to this so forgive me I copied and pasted it as I think it is very important

" i find it interesting that the "nordic blondes" are the biggest proponent that this event is 100% going to happen. i find it interesting that the people warning of us of this seem to me to be what amounts to a future version of hitler's "master race"
-has no one else noticed this? why arent future black people or indian people or asians telling us this? why are "nordics" telling us there will be no "ascension" yet crop circles imply that that we WILL-as do some "light beings" other people have been contacted by.
anyhow i hope discussion along these lines will be permitted at avalon and it wont be limited purely to survival threads." end quote-

Like others here I came to the camelot site searching for answers, partly due to a deep long held interest in indigenous wisdom, including the Mayan calendar, as well as Aboriginal dreamtime and other creation myths and stories, prophecies.

Like you I firmly believe we have a massive power of influence over creating our realities and its this that I personally want to educate myself in and give energy too.

NOT fear..take a look at where I live again.

I have enough imagination and knowledge to know what could happen to this whole area . I protested enough against it all when I was young..

Anyway I am really glad you started this thread, it needs to be a discussion point, I draw strength from what others have said here also, thank you to those of you, thank you!!.

There is so much potential in the highest good in all of this, I dont want to loose sight of that . If I chose this time on the planet to incarnate then there was a reason for that, and it was certainly not to live in fear.
I have spent many years conquering that particular inner demon!
There are several futures, and potentials, as they narrow down awareness changes, but fear Can grow ever powerful, it is infectious and it closes us up.
Question everything, that is my motto, it what my dad taught me and he came through WW2..
Peace and the energy of love to all of you..
X

[sunnyrap]

What you're saying here is spiritually sound, at heart, but has some elements I think you may not be considering. It strikes me that a good balance between acting on what your heart and spirit urges you to, and taking wise, practical steps to preserve yourself for that service is not acting out of fear, it is acting out of FULL service to others. Preserving yourself if your goal is to serve others is also service to others. Its a matter of intent, imo. How about gathering up all the people around you that you can and leading them to a place where they have a better chance to continue to do and be more for themselves and others? Attachment to place isn't about service to others--attachment to place could just be pessimism/hopelessness and fear of taking responsible action.

[arcora]

I know I am in the right place. I believe God brought me here.

I am not leaving because George Green or Michael St. Clair say I should.

[Gale]

It's about maneuvering ones selves into a better mind set for what is coming. Not to mention position/location, which includes supplies, making contacts and hunker down until the worst is over.

Arcora :thumb_yello:

[Norval]

When the hit sits the fan, it wont matter where you are.

It will matter "what" you are. The kind of person you are.

Right on Gale and Arcora, , , :thumb_yello:

[clarkkent]

What you're saying here is spiritually sound, at heart, but has some elements I think you may not be considering. It strikes me that a good balance between acting on what your heart and spirit urges you to, and taking wise, practical steps to preserve yourself for that service is not acting out of fear, it is acting out of FULL service to others. Preserving yourself if your goal is to serve others is also service to others. Its a matter of intent, imo. How about gathering up all the people around you that you can and leading them to a place where they have a better chance to continue to do and be more for themselves and others? Attachment to place isn't about service to others--attachment to place could just be pessimism/hopelessness and fear of taking responsible action.

i didnt mean to imply everyone moving is in service to self or that wanting to live is service to self.
i just meant for me my life would be empty without the people i love and knowing i abandoned them when they needed help...i dont know, i just couldnt live with that, it seems selfish.

if you gather people to go someplace less chaotic thats great, and very practical. im just saying the vast majority of people, even people here cant move to switzerland,ecuador or the four corners. so it might be prectical to discuss keeping a level head through these times and not believing "end times" is a forgone conclusion.

-kyle

edit- i also thought if you are enlightened why show someone the most negative outcome and say "you better not let THAT happen"
it would be like if someone came to my house and showed me a video of me walking out the door and getting mugged, stabbed, shot. then saying "be careful"------
im really not going to enjoy my walk if i live in fear of getting mugged. this is what the evening news does, it puts fear and survival in your mind, how is their "end times" message any different?

[Sanat]

hi folks,

this is not "diss" to anyone, ive just noticed there are plenty of people on Avalon who just arent going to move to any radiant zones or four points or anywhere else that isnt forecasted as doomed.

the fact is people have lives and loved ones friends etc that will have to go through these "rough waters" so to speak and many people just wont abandon them to live with strangers in rural communities who were brought together in survival mode.

ive quoted PC witness marcia shafer and ill do it here again
"live for life dont live for death"

i think theres a good amount of people reading these threads that are a little bummed that the latest interview which was called one of the more powerful and important ,was, to some people, fear based and doom and gloomy.
now dont get me wrong micheal st clair and others who prescribe to the "safe place" ideas present EXCEPTIONALLY positive and rational ideas.
but its a fact that these ideas are wrapped in the fabric of survival.

again dont get me wrong, ive bought silver and will probably move back to my small town if things get unpleasant in NY, practicality is different than "to be destroyed or not to be destroyed" ---where im headed (northern CA) is not under what any contactee or PC witness has stated as "safe" or "radiant" but again if a tidal wave sweeps me away id rather be with the community i grew up with and my mom and a couple friends.

to me, FEAR of death has been the ONLY way very few people could control and manipulate the many. if it really is our fate for 95% of humanity to be destroyed then that means a LOT of good and spiritual or non spiritual people will be gone, maybe i might have to be one of those people. in fact the elite have the same agenda , they have their "safe places" underground
they have the same fear/survival conscioussness.

heres a thought-
wont people need people like us, who know what the government is really up to? wont people need calm and spiritual people to help guide them through the chaos and organize and work to get through the times ahead?

is it service to others if you abandon everything you know and who you love to go to some remote place and hope you dont die? or is that service to self?
earth has many different futures and realites, why choose the most damaging one? why give your energy to it? heres a quote from gregg braden (google the name to find out about him)

"Quantum science suggests the existence of many possible futures for each moment of our lives. Each future lies in a state of rest until it is awakened by choices made in the present. "

regarding this
check these please
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vN686OUAJM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko4ehMxt17M&feature=related

with that in mind,
let this thread be a place for people who arent moving and need to discuss ideas on living through these times based on where they are.


-kyle

I could not agree more, Clarkkent!

So many people are still struggling to digest the "dire predictions" and doom/gloom scenarios. The predictions etc. given to Bluestar and many others were accurate at that point in time. They have since been transcended because of the ever raising level of consciousness of mankind. Both the carrot and the whip is needed to get things moving after all...

Unless you feel in your whole being a deep longing/urge to move somewhere, then you are exactly where you should be. There will be some turmoil as the old gives birth to the New. This is natural. But we are NOT left to ourself in cleaning up this messy situation! That is the great misunderstanding I would like to adress here.

Imagine Earth/humanity as a pregnant women about to give birth. Is it natural that she will be left to herself during that process? No, she will require help and love/care from others. The ET overseers function as the midwife in this situation. They protect and make sure the birthing process is as safe and painless as possible. However, a birth is never without turmoil and pain. This is also natural. But there will NOT be a miscarriage. The outcome of the situation is already set. Exactly how it will play out, is not. That is what makes it exciting after all:original:.

The great misunderstanding is that we are left alone in all this. This perspective is about to change (14. october). We have been told that we "need to take responsibility for ourselves" and that "the ETs will not save us". This is true, but what does it really mean? It means that the ETs can help/assist those that help themselves. An effort on our part goes a long way.

The meaning of these "mantras" is also to be understood in a more spiritual context, and not so much in the mundane context that many have come to understand them. Remember, the ETs have been assisting mankind throughout our history in all sorts of subtle and less subtle ways. As the end of the cycle approaches and mankind rises its vibration to "meet them halfway" it is only natural that all this finally comes into the open.

"Taking responsibility for ourselves" does not mean that we will have to fix all mundane problems ourselves with limited technology. It simply means we need to raise our level of consciousness and mass consciousness to meet the ETs halfway. Getting out of victim consciousness is the first and most important step and this has been achieved on the level of mass conciousness even though a lot of people are still struggling with it (see this post for details: http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=27924&postcount=20).

David Hawkins (see the post linked to above) illustrates the power of the Light with this quote from his famous book "Power vs. force (1995)":

Although only fifteen percent of the world's population is above the critical consciousness level of 200, the collective power of that fifteen percent has the weight to counterbalance the negativity of the remaining eighty-five percent of the world's population. Because the scale of power advances logarithmically, a single Avatar at a consciousness level of 1,000 can, in fact, totally counterbalance the collective negativity of all mankind.

He also has a chart which further illustrates the power and importance of just one single individual raising his/her level of consciousness and its effect on mass consciousness:

1 individual at level 300 counterbalances 90,000 individuals below level 200
1 individual at level 400 counterbalances 400,000 individuals below level 200
1 individual at level 500 counterbalances 750,000 individuals below level 200
1 individual at level 600 counterbalances 10 mill. individuals below level 200
1 individual at level 700 counterbalances 70 mill. individuals below level 200

(we can always argue about the numbers, but I think the point he is making is pretty obvious and clear).

The ETs will not and cannot "save us" or "take responsability for us" for the simple reason that no soul can evolve for another soul. If humanity had "choosen" not to evolve out of the dire predicions we would have had to face the consequenses. However, since we have evolved above victim consciousness (currently at level 256 according to my measures yesterday) things have changed and it is bound to manifest in the mirror of physical reality (14 october is the beginning of this). The higher we climb the more assistance can the ETs give us as they simply reflect our changes in consciousness back to us in the physical reality. At some point we will meet halfway with them and have a great celebration!:winner_third_h4h:

Taking this into consideration it is easier to see through all the turmoil of birth, and rather look forward to - and envision - the joy of a newborn humanity.

[MartyMcFailure]

Clark, Another great and thoughtful idea you have in this thread. :thumb_yello:

:trumpet:I encourage everyone to look at the segment of the PC interview of Bob Dean where he and Marcia Shafer are together. We have been born, lived and died on this planet many times. The people in our lives, our loved ones are likely souls we have journeyed with and worked together for many incarnations.
Bob dean also remarked the earth is known throughout the universe/galaxy as being one of the toughest 'schools'. going thru a few incarnations here earns points. WE ALL ACCEPTED THIS INCARNATION, THIS CHALLENGE TO BE HERE AT THESE TIMES. DIFFICULT TIMES, BUT WE ARE THE ONES THAT OTHERS WILL LOOK TO TO LEAD. when **** starts really changing, others will wake up on even more massive and massive scales. The 100th monkey syndrome in effect. The NWO, the evil ET's and the Luciferian interdiensional consciousnesses are balance in the universe by the forces of light. Gaia is rebelling because we r out of wack, too much negative.
:starwars:
:roll1: So in my opinion whatever we r facing is gonna be catalysts for great and awesome positive change. the catalysts themselves might be a little rough but we each have to face ourselves exactly in the ways that will be most challenging
Not everyone is so far advanced spiritually that they will be able to be doing meditating and levitating in radiant zones bartering blocks of gold for rides on the great spacer with the nordics.

[Steve_G]

Well done Kyle for starting this thread. I'm getting completely put off by the doom and gloom perspective that Avalon seems to have taken as its basis. Whether it's intentional or not it's based on the belief that catastrophe is coming. I will not accept that premise.

Neither do I believe the recent pronouncement of Ashtar Command that it's all ok, the Illuminati have been defeated now so chill out and relax. It's just more Divine Saviour crap.

I could move but I choose not to. I believe I'm exactly where I'm supposed to be and with the people I'm supposed to be, and I'm not running off to live in a cave somewhere because I'm frightened of what, if anything, is coming. If I die, so what? It's not like it hasn't happened before.

I'll deal with life as it comes. I'm trying not to be chained by the past or influenced by fear of the future. The only moment is NOW. Enjoy it.

Blessings to all :wub2:

[clarkkent]

here are some very good quotes by henry deacon i found in another thread (thanks for compiling them!) i think they are all pertinent to this thread.

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"If people want peace, they will have peace.

Think peace, Talk peace, Speak peace, See peace".

"If someone is instilling fear.. Avoid them".

"We will have peace and harmony if we wish for it and we turn our focus, attention and efforts in the direction of peace, cooperation and harmony".

"learn how to relax"

"Your thoughts mold (form the matrix) the world you live in.

A Great Peace will soon be here.

Think of it and work towards bringing that peace about.

Turn your gaze in the direction you wish to travel.

Help others to look in that same direction....
See that wonderful world ahead and move towards it now.

This is your Key".

"The "negative" aspects will disappear if you turn On the Light.

If one continues to think, talk, focus, pray, etc. - with focus on the dark ... the dark will appear to have control.

You will only "feed" it by fighting against it or by praying to get rid of it!

Fear and thoughts of war will ONLY hold you captive.

Darkness is the absence of Light. Darkness is Not the opposite of Light. They are NOT opposing forces.

Darkness is akin to ignorance (lack of understanding the true nature of things).
Light is like Knowledge.

Photos and Images of conflict or war only aid to trap minds in a state of illusion, fear and ignorance.

Read what is above and Wake UP !
Please

This is for You. not for me".

"THINK PEACE.. and you WILL CREATE PEACE".

"There will be Sunshine and much better times ahead.... quite soon".

"Let's help each other to continue bringing More happiness and optimism to this realm.

Share your optimism with everyone you meet.

Remember the Butterfly Effect.

Hugs"

-Henry Deacon

[china2012]

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[Suriel]

If you are a good person, the Earth can detect this. Earth is a conscious living entity. It knows which tree to move or rock to tumble. All of us good people will be spared. And those that are not have chosen to leave. Your soul knows when it it time to leave Earth.

Your relationship with the Earth is eternal. During these changes and the coming polar shift, your energy life force will be measured and judged. The bigger your life force, the better. I'm sure you have heard many miraculous stories about how people have survived natural disasters.

So just be cool, live your life to the fullest and know in your HEART that you are here for a reason.

Peace.

[china2012]

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[Sky Otter]

honest guys
you need to watch this vid of Drunvalo

while he also tells of huge world happenings
he is in a positive state
and that living in your heart..which i think all of you are doing btw
is how we will survive whatever is on the way
and his timeline is also a bit different
and
dang but i want to be in sedona next april

:flowers2:

hugs
Dian

opps..here's the link
http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com...s/drunvalo.htm

[honeybee]

Thanks for starting this thread Kyle. I was thinking the same things only last night and feel very relieved to find so many other people thinking along the same lines. I think we all have to work with and trust our intuition. For some it will feel right to move, for others it will feel right to stay where they are with people they know and love.

[Suriel]

Sky Otter,

I watched that video with Dranvulo and I have to say, I connected with this guy. It is very good material. Thanks for the link. I also found his personal website and bookmarked (http://www.drunvalo.net) it.

I also look forward to the mayan book that will be published around 2012.

Peace.

[quest]

i think this is a real serious issue. with all the best intentions this site is put in to life, there is a real chance that wrong forces make use of this platform.

what is the purpose, who are we serving. in forming groups about survival, i realy think the focus is not directed in a healthy way, fear should never be the guide. finally we are waking up, shaking lose governments etc. now lets not fall into the same trap by following changelings, or any source outside ourselves.

[Molly]

This thread reflects my thinking of late.

one light on earth changes and 'where to be' came from Bashar, the channel that says, follow synchronicity and you'll be where you are meant to be.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4100471449821338704&ei=gVjeSIDQIJCQqQKZ5rnjBA&q=bashar&hl=en

If Time itself is ending, then we need not fear death on this plane (though I know it's natural and I have it too). But I"m trying to reach for the idea that we'll have choices wherever we are, and if we slip through the doorway (death), what will matter most is what's in our hearts. And how we've lived our lives.

my family doesn't have a clue about all this, and I might need to guide them through the chaos. it is about 'dying' ultimately, and trusting that a new life is awaiting each of us. I sense my life has been an initiation of sorts, to be of service to others.
Some of us have that sense of service to those that are not aware yet, but will be. Maybe it's a matter of each person tuning into their own synchronicities, signs, inner calls, meeting of kindred spirits, and see where they are led. Radiant zones sound heavenly, and I like the idea of creating one whereever you are, naked in the field...lol.

We have a trip (coincidentally?) to the mtns soon, and i'm full of acceptance about where i am -- the rest just remains to be seen and experienced.

I appreciate all your comments!

[SHAMANKA]

Quote Molly-If Time itself is ending, then we need not fear death on this plane (though I know it's natural and I have it too). But I"m trying to reach for the idea that we'll have choices wherever we are, and if we slip through the doorway (death), what will matter most is what's in our hearts. And how we've lived our lives.-
Oh Molly well said and spot on!!
I have just read through the comments here and feel totally inspired, PHEW.. THAT is what we are here for is it not? This is really about connecting and networking ideas globally, striking a baLance between preparedness and survivalist thinking, pragmatism, awareness without sinking into deep despair.
Imagine someone stumbling on this forum who has only just got curious, so much of it would overwhelm and also seem like a sort of "Beautiful mind" scenario..
I have trouble sometimes with what my own intution shows and tells me, then I see and read some of the stuff others are experiencing and I laugh out loud with recognition and relief.
I happpen to think we are in grave danger of loosing our sense of humour (and joy and wonder).
Now that really would be distaster, and I say this because I do feel at times I take myself and all this far to seriously.
I think henry Deacons Quotes are amazing..I also love what Bob and Marcia say about life times, its in the Bhudda's teachings also, a sense of perspective is a good thing..maybe all this happened before and maybe this time we will get it right..
As far as service is concerned being the only sibling in my family, in this country and the one who chose to stay and give someone in her later years a good quality of life, I think I am already doing a good job there..If I can help others in other ways in the future I will..I know I will be shown what to do as things unfold, my intuition grows ever stronger.. as I am sure is happening for everyone else.. here are HEnry's quotes again to pass along..love to all...
"If people want peace, they will have peace.

Think peace, Talk peace, Speak peace, See peace".

"If someone is instilling fear.. Avoid them".

"We will have peace and harmony if we wish for it and we turn our focus,

attention and efforts in the direction of peace, cooperation and harmony".

"learn how to relax"

"Your thoughts mold (form the matrix) the world you live in.

A Great Peace will soon be here.

Think of it and work towards bringing that peace about.

Turn your gaze in the direction you wish to travel.

Help others to look in that same direction....
See that wonderful world ahead and move towards it now.

This is your Key".

"The "negative" aspects will disappear if you turn On the Light.

If one continues to think, talk, focus, pray, etc. - with focus on the dark ...

the dark will appear to have control.

You will only "feed" it by fighting against it or by praying to get rid of it!

Fear and thoughts of war will ONLY hold you captive.

Darkness is the absence of Light. Darkness is Not the opposite of Light.

They are NOT opposing forces.

Darkness is akin to ignorance (lack of understanding the true nature of

things).
Light is like Knowledge.

Photos and Images of conflict or war only aid to trap minds in a state of

illusion, fear and ignorance.

Read what is above and Wake UP !
Please

This is for You. not for me".

"THINK PEACE.. and you WILL CREATE PEACE".

"There will be Sunshine and much better times ahead.... quite soon".

"Let's help each other to continue bringing More happiness and optimism

to this realm.

Share your optimism with everyone you meet.

Remember the Butterfly Effect.

Hugs"

-Henry Deacon

[Ampgod]

For me, the moving to these zones will only be a last resort. A final option.
Hopefully, we won't need this "final option" and we can stay and help our loved ones. Time will reveal what actions need to be taken.




Live Love,
Ampgod

[mysticmom]

I think it is much more important HOW you live than WHERE you live.

I always seem to be near ground zero in life events. I can't get out of Bedford Falls ( a reference to George Baily in It's a Wonderful Life).

Many of us will find ourselves in an area where we can help raise the vibrations of that very space by living the loving example and Dreaming the new dream.

Follow your heart and you will choose correctly for you.

Move forward with an open heart and positive, grateful attitude and
your vision will be clearer and broader allwoing you to find unimaginable resources where ever you find yourself.

I love you all. Live Love. <3

[Oiran]

Thanks again Kyle for starting this thread -- it is definitely a topic that has been overshadowed by the more zealous, fear-based ideas of fleeing to allegedly "safe" areas.

As I've been hashing this topic around in my mind, something occurred to me: Let's imagine, for just a moment, that the worst case scenario DOES happen in the near future, whether it's a natural disaster or a man-made event --- what would The Powers That Be want the surviving people to do? I venture to say that they would actually WANT us to leave our homes, to travel long distances to join others in large groups in concentrated geographical areas. Why? Because we would be easier to pick off, round up for camps and/or simply kill. If surviving people chose to stay where they are (assuming their homes are still in tact, of course), they would be much more difficult to locate and control. Personally, I would think that the idea of people peppered throughout all of the planet, living in their homes or, at the very least, on land they are familiar with, hunkered down (and possibly armed), eating from their home-grown gardens, drinking purified water, etc, etc, would be a worst case scenario for THEM, for The Powers That Be.

After reading these posts and with all of the research I have done in the past year, it always seems to come down to one thing: personal responsibility. So, in my opinion, staying where we are, learning how to not only survive, but flourish, in a new, balanced and natural way would be the ultimate "rebellion," instead of running scared and hoping that someone ELSE will "save" us.

[HHWV]

Though all of us are experiencing the stress and emotional instability generated by the conditions accumulating as current events, don't lose the ability to remember we are all in it together. Only now are we aware, by being awakened, that something more is needed. When we started our education, was this a lesson in school you were taught. No! Are we teaching our students today about these subjects and the consequances that may unfold? No!! Or if we are, I'm sure it's not the major subject. We are now the teachers, that will go out and educate the mass, on what should be done on earth as a reflection of that which is in heaven. Problem is, this isn't anything new. Every generation since the beginning has done the exact same thing, only presented in the way and time, best suited for the digestion of the food taken in. You have always been here, and so choose to return if you wish. You are not here for yourself, but for each and everyone of us that need you.Would you choose all of this for yourself? Knowing how messed up and totally confused most are at this point? Probably not. So this as logic, means your here for others, as others are here for you. Think about this for a moment, when we'ren't you? Do you ever have a memory that you aren't, or that you never were. No!! nor will you ever. You always are, and you will always be. As soon as we hit critical mass (and we're just about there) thoughts will be different, noticibly so. Where we are today is the battle between what use to be, and what's going to be. Your choice is, what do you want? what use to be, or what is? Your inner you will tell, then you will proceed. Rather go or stay, it's not going to be right or wrong, it's the way it is; period. Use what you know, with those that know it (or should be said; HIM) and all is well; period. There's no more time for lies or lying, and the look on a persons face is going to tell you. We are here for each other, like we always were, and we will always be. What's so nice about the time we're in, we have the ability, within one second, to let everyone of us know everywhere, we all love each other. Whether they like it or not, that's what true power is, and always will be....LOVE. Love it and Live it, it's your life; Eternal. Respectfully to you all. HHWV there's no one else like him, there's only 1 me!!! I AM.

[Accipiter_Phi]

Thank you ClarkKent... My sentiments exactly.
Here is a quick story of some related experiences with fear vs hope I've had.

I have overcome alot of fear in my life... the loss of my femural artery and the ensuing 11 bypass surgeries to save my leg. They all failed.

I finally accepted my fate, sobered up and lost the fear. I began to meditate on my subtle energy body as well as emotional body. I proved the top docs at UCLA Gondular Vascular, San Francisco State, Cedars Sinai wrong and kept my leg. From starting at less than 60% circulation in my "bad, sans-artery" leg, I was able to visualize healing energy that actually turned minor collateral circulation of the adjacent veins into a wide circulatory sytem that has resulted in a 95% recovery.

I realized that anything is possible.
I began to connect with my dream voice... and ultimately memories of past lives and even premonition dreams. I now have so many synchronicities occuring everyday that I trust my higher self completly. For if anything gnarly was coming down the pike, I know I would be warned accordingly.

Over and over I have prayed for information regarding my family's fate if I stay in L.A. versus following the fear route and moving far away. The following is a quick synopsis of the resulting dreams I had:

I see bombs going off all around me. I am in a seemingly third world country. I have lost my family and am desperatly searching for them as I slog my freakishly heavy back pack around that is laden with gold/silver and basic survival supplies.
I come around a corner to a boy no older than 16 in fatigues. I am unarmed... by design. An automatic rifle is held to my head as all my precious metals (which took years to amass) are gone in less than 10 seconds. All hope is lost and I am left crying in the mud begging the Infinte Creator for a "redo."

Instantly I am back on my property in L.A., My house is on fire (this happens every 8 years or so out here in the Santa Monica mtns). I am setting up the gas powered fire pump when my girlfriend literally floats out of the sky and hugs me. She says, "remember your training, there is much more now" and she motions skyward. The clouds break and an indescribable golden heavenly light appears across the entire sky. I feel a very real tingling rush in my chest; the same rush I get in my dreams right before I begin to fly. I have feelings of pure bliss, pure safety, pure love.

I awoke flabbergasted. I immediatly began to ask again for clarification on the dream... would we ALL be alright? At that moment I realized that a small bird (a bush tit) had some how found its way into my bedroom. It calmly looked quizically at me with its head cocked. "Messaged recieved" I said aloud. I looked at the clock; 11:11. (much more verification was recieved but it would be superflous to recount it here).

I believe whole heartedly that one traverses a very fine line when dealing with preparedness vs survivalism. Over and over again, I am given clear signs that the most important thing I can be doing right now is losing my fear and anger at the PTB through meditation and building my light body. In meditation, I realize that everyone's fate is of their own choosing. Everyone's "truths" are different, therefore, I can only speak for myself.

A simple sentence pops into my head when I revisit these fears: "Failing to prepare is not the same as preparing to fail."

For now, I stay... yet I will pay close attention to my inner guidance for any changes.
Thats my two cents worth of ramblings... Thanks.

[Jacqui D]

I for one will not be going anywhere i feel unless i am under a real threat from authorities, army or police.
When i am forced into that situation i will have to rethink my plan but for now i am happy to sit back and see what happens.
I can not buy gold or silver i do not have the finances to do so, i will barter for what i need. i do have a lot of experience in many things though and will give my knowledge when it is needed.
I do intend to bring my sister nearer she lives quite away from me, i will not let her cope on her own.
I have some ideas put in place now and will take steps when i feel it is right.
I do not fear what the future brings, i know in my heart even if this all goes down really bad that we will overcome this time.
As was said before in this thread there are many parallels of this world, i have felt myself slipping in and out of many lately, perhaps i will find one with an alternate ending i hope you will to.:thumb_yello:

[2infinityandbeyond]

hi folks,
heres a thought-
wont people need people like us, who know what the government is really up to? wont people need calm and spiritual people to help guide them through the chaos and organize and work to get through the times ahead?

is it service to others if you abandon everything you know and who you love to go to some remote place and hope you dont die? or is that service to self?
earth has many different futures and realites, why choose the most damaging one? why give your energy to it? heres a quote from gregg braden (google the name to find out about him)


-kyle


Awesome post kyle, many good points overall.

I would have to agree with you. It seems like a paradox to most people, on one hand they feel that if they left their families and their friends to go live in a 'survival community' they would be servicing themselves whilst leaving their loved ones in the lurch.

- I suppose you could say that the key here is intent? If someone moves to just preserve their own life, without any care for sharing their knowledge and experience with future generations in an attempt to make some sort of positive progression then its apparently a selfish act. And im quite sure that these people wont get very far regardless of their knowlege or experience, in tought times it is essential to have the help of others, and when one has a service to self state of mind they will find that there are not many people willing to help them.

And then on the other hand, if by leaving their families and friends with the intent of sacrificing their lives for the good of future generations they would be doing a great service to hummanity through preserving their skills and their knowledge so that when we do rebuild society we will be equiped with the experience that will ensure we do not repeat the same mistakes.
- This is essential. It cannot be stressed enough that without good spiritual people we may survive but only to repeat the same mistakes.

Some people must make this sacrifice, but the only question is who?

I'm stimmied as to what i should do. I have my family and friends here, but i would leave them in a heartbeat and sacrifice myself for futures generations.

But ;

* How do we really know that something is going to happen?

This must be overcome to make any progress. Ive been exposed to a lot of information on probable futures, and its safe to say that the majority of people have a very negative expectation for the not so distant future.

But how can we be sure, it feels like being stuck in a rut. Something inside me is calling to take action, but i dont know what action to take. It seems so much easier to stay here and go out with a flash. But.. gah, this is the most difficult and uncertain situation ive ever been faced with in my short years here. I know that i would take that action, if i could be certain about the outcome.

What happens if we abandon our families and leave our posts only to find out that i was all done unneccesarily.

Please, thoughts on this would be very welcome.

[Molly]

Accipiter Phi, that is such a moving testimonial.

I woke up back in June withe very clear thought, "I have six months to Live!" It gave me a sense of urgency about preparation, which I've done, but also, mixed feelings about what I've done with my Life.

Maybe like someone with a terminal illness, I've gone through regret, melancholy, a sense of loss, completion of past relationship issues, and coming now to more acceptance and joy. I can't see the future, but I know this awareness of something pending has Brightened the colors, and made the peaceful moments so full.

The postings about n. america being a smoking hole, then bye bye off to S. America felt somehow off and of a limited perspective (we are all limited in our perspective, since we can't see the many future possibilities). The veils are thinning, so maybe there's another world even more lush and loving than this one....and that awaits us at the right moment. I've started to visualize a farm and have it so clearly in my mind's eye.... Trust (something I have to remind myself 87 times a day since my red-alarm for pending trouble is going off.)

I am drawn to stories of courage in the face of death lately. Like sophie scholl of the white rose....during the 30s, this german student spoke of finding beauty amidst the horrors, and her last words were, The Sun Still Shines.

I want to build up the courage and awareness of myself as infinite....experimenting with creating reality, and willing to place this fleeting life in the service of a greater cause, all the while knowing i will live on no matter what. and so will you! there is nothing to fear..... (88th time, lol)

[Molly]

Forgot to say, thanks Shamanka for those inspiring words, and to everyone on this amazing thread....I am so heartened by what you all are saying. Maybe we'll meet up and have a big larf over all this at some future point.

I came across this today, and the response to the urge to 'get out of Dodge.'
A vision of the many future dimensions of Earth...just more food for thought.

Being the peace we want to step into:



MY JOURNEYS INTO THE FUTURE AND THE GREAT HARVEST OF SOULS

---- by Tom Smith

Contents:

Good-bye To Earth - The Journey Begins
The Destination Planets
The Third Dimension
The Fourth Dimension
The Fifth Dimension and Beyond
Return Visits To Earth
When And Other Information

After having read all the changes and potential changes to the Earth, many may feel it is time to "get out of Dodge". Many will do just that, as they have chosen these times to make their transition. But many more will remain to be an integral part of the changes. Actually all of us are part of the changes. Whether you believe it or not, we have all "signed on" for this adventure, for as many reasons as there are humans.

In the channeling of July 15, 1992, the Sun God mentioned that I and others have traveled into the future. Indeed, I have been privileged to have taken such journeys, and have seen us leave the Earth to live elsewhere. I have seen some of what is ahead for the Earth and humankind. I have been allowed to see the Master Plan in motion.
Part of my divine plan is to write and teach the truths. Therefore, I am writing about some of my experiences as I become a part of the transformation of spaceship Earth as she prepares for her final cleansing. Where do each of us go and what is it like when we get there? This is some of what I am about to tell you.

After some thought about which approach to take, I decided to present my future travels as they impressed me, as I was there. It is written as it was happening - in the present. It is my sincere hope that each of you can feel my experiences for yourself and not be fearful of them. It is my intent to convey what it will be like for me to leave the Earth and all of my possessions behind, and to settle on a distant planet, in a new home and in a new surrounding. It is not intended to be presented as an emotional experience, although I certainly had mixed emotions. All those that I saw or talked with during my future travels showed no fear about what is to occur, or what had already taken place. With the many changes in Earth energies, as well as "777" universal energies, all changes are now occurring at an accelerated pace.
By the time the Great Harvest of Souls arrives, most of us will have a totally different mindset than now. Much of what you read here and hear from others will not be as "far out" as it may now seem.

This is not intended to be a thorough description of what I have seen and felt in the future. My journeys are not the purpose and focus of this book. Besides, as much as I have been privileged to see, I did not get the full "tour," at least that I can recall at present.
This is not channeled material, yet I asked for guidance as I have tried to communicate some of what I have seen, heard and felt. I also asked for assistance in editing what I have written. It is not my wish to exaggerate what I have been witness to, nor invent any of it, nor even use someone else's experiences. At my request, the Sun God has assured me that what I have written is as I have experienced.

Good-bye To Earth - The Journey Begins

It is obvious to all of us that it is time to leave. There is no fuss, as each of us quietly walks to the meeting place. We have only what we can easily carry in our arms. Most of us have come to realize the true value of letting "things go" and of trusting. There are many of us gathered around talking quietly. We are excited nevertheless, for this is a new experience for us. We don't know exactly what to expect. But it is a subdued excitement. At the same time we are not nervous. There are children and they play, yet our entire demeanor and movement is like a prayerful action, a real-life-ceremony. We don't particularly want to leave the Earth, since this is our home. We love the Earth. But we also understand the joyful feelings of the Earth as she is very close to taking that big leap into another realm of her own. She is graduating into the 5th dimension. It is necessary for us to honor and respect her desire to do this, and we must leave while she finishes the house cleaning that she must do as final preparation for her new look. We understand. We also realize many will some day return to once again coexist in love and harmony with the Earth. But for now, we are to continue our growth and development on another "Earth planet."

There is much space craft activity, as there has been for the last week or so. Our space friends have been busy with their final preparations to ease our concerns. We have met with our space friends as they explained what is to happen and how we are to be leaving. They are available anytime we need them. They answered all the questions we had. In fact our space friends have encouraged us to talk among ourselves to make certain we understand and have no more questions or concerns. Of course we all have concerns simply because it is a totally new experience. Our parents and teachers have never prepared us for times like these. We are truly the pioneers of new frontiers.

So we have concerns, but each of us seems to accept what is unfolding.
Many are really happy with it. There have been so many changes to the Earth that none of us are certain what might happen next. I have been more prepared than most for the Earth changes, but it is not always so easy to watch and feel the cleansing power of the rain, wind, the Earth quaking and poles shifting. You know deep down that these have been necessary for the good of Earth and us as well. However, we still live in the physical and some physical changes are easier to accept than others. Nevertheless, we accept and move on. We all prefer a quieter time, a time when we do not have to worry about the next major change that might affect our living patterns. At the same time most of us have adjusted very well to our new ways of living off the land and helping each other. There is much satisfaction and true sharing in doing this.
So we are ready to leave.

There are about 30 of us waiting for the craft to pick us up. I live in a thinly populated area. There are families of us clustered together.
This is also the way many of us want to continue on our new planet as soon as this is possible. As the craft quietly comes down for us, we become deadly silent. This is it, good-bye to our Mother Earth.
The craft lands close by and our space friends from the Pleiades come out and welcome us aboard. They are filled with great love for us and the Earth. Our small group is of a similar vibration, and we will be going together. Our space friends make us feel very comfortable with their loving ways. We quickly become more upbeat.

Our craft lifts off and in a few moments we are approaching the mother ship, the one that will actually take us on our journey. The mother ship is huge. I do not estimate dimensions well, but I will say it is 10-15 stories high and stretched as far as I can see, at least from my vantage point. It is 10 miles long, I am told, and the equivalent of 20 stories high. "There are others orbiting the Earth as well," says our space friends. The ships have been especially constructed for this great day. This is called the period of the Great Harvest of Souls. Each on the Earth will be taken aboard a similar vessel as the Earth is ready for her graduation. Those who are sensitive to different vibrations remark of joyous vibrations and music coming from the Earth. In fact many of us hear celestial music as it plays in the background. The Earth is not sad to see us leave, as she knows many will return in a relatively short time and live in perfect harmony with her as light-bodied humans.

I do not recall much about our flight to our destination planet. It does not take long. I am told that it could be quicker. The space friends on board are using this time for some teachings and assistance to those who wish to have it. We are given another overview of what to expect when we land. Since most are still used to routines, we are given specific directions on what to do. We are told not to worry about remembering everything, since there will be sufficient opportunities to hear it again when we land.

The Destination Planets

Each of us is taken to a destination planet that relates most closely to our individual vibration. Our space friends easily and instantly determine where each of us belongs. There is absolutely no way to fool them. We just cannot suddenly pretend that we are of a very "high vibration" and are super loving person. We are who we are.
Our space friends do not judge us. They simply direct each of us to the appropriate place, and they do so in a most loving way. A person of a lower vibration is not allowed to proceed to a higher vibrational destination. However, a person of a higher vibration may choose to remain in a lower level, in case they wish to remain with another individual, for instance. I did not see this happening, but we were told ahead of time that this would be allowed.

Those wishing to continue their growth, in what is still referred to as the "3rd dimension," are going to a planet occupied by people of similar beliefs. Regardless of each persons' vibration, we take with us the same knowledge, wisdom, love, lack of love, and attitudes that we had before our departure. These will be neither enhanced nor avoided, due to the move itself. If there is joy in seeing the Sun rise or set, this will not change. If there is hate and prejudice towards others or self, this too will not change, unless we decide to change these attitudes ourselves. If there is a need for material pleasures, this will also be reflected on the new planet.

There is a destination planet for those who are at the 4th dimensional level. These, too, will be given the opportunity to develop in a place where they are free from the vibrations of those in the 3rd and 5th dimensions.

There are also new homes for those who have elevated themselves to the 5th dimensional level and higher. Primarily these consist of those who have very deliberately raised their vibrations as the Earth has raised hers. Included here are those who have agreed to be the seed for those light-bodied humans who will some day return to live in perfect harmony with the planet Earth.

There are inconveniences for most, as you might expect under the circumstances, particularly those who have chosen the 3rd and 4th dimensional growth patterns. Those above the 4th are not so much into many of the physical realities of the Earth, so they adjust easier to their new home. Many of the Earth changes have helped prepare us for the kinds of experiences presented to us. Most seem to adjust very quickly to their new home. There is already some housing waiting for us, as well as other structures. All those who are positive and forward thinking quickly set aside their homesickness as soon as they realize the love and friendliness of their new home.
The Third Dimension

In visiting those on the 3rd dimensional planet, I notice how well adjusted and happy the people seem. My perception is that these people are still into their old paradigms, which is all right for them.
Despite having made their choice for this move, most were still skeptical about being able to maintain their old belief systems, including religion. However, I see many churches and places of worship already in use. So, it is secure and reassuring to them that those freedoms are to continue. Aside from the separation and loss of possessions, most appear to be seeing this as a very rewarding experience. It is bringing people together moreso than they could have imagined. All is not roses however, since overall attitudes have not changed, but many good things are already happening.

There are no obvious differences between this new home and the Earth. The atmospheric conditions are slightly different but everyone has adjusted to them. The air is lighter, much like that at higher elevations on Earth. Most people are still living in large, wooden community-type buildings, with winding stair cases - very Victorian and quite beautiful. These were already in place when they arrived.
By choice, many others have begun moving out into the countryside to establish their own homes. It requires much hard work, but this too, is one of the 3rd dimensional beliefs.

As I move about on the new 3rd dimensional planet, I see green trees, flowers, green grass, birds and hills. It is warm and sunny and the days are about as long as on Earth. As more and more of the "Earth systems" have been implemented, it has become even more like home. Since we left all possessions behind, everyone starts out with the same level of wealth and power. However, it doesn't take long for some to exert themselves in leadership and dominating roles. There are plenty of local, national and inter- national leaders and "government" heads from Earth who have chosen this path as well. So, many of these assume their natural roles which seems to please most people. But there is an excellent opportunity to make everyone equal.

The Fourth Dimension

The planet which those already in the 4th dimension are destined for, is also similar to Earth, but there are some differences, namely in attitudes and technology. For instance, I am traveling around the city in a vehicle that is powered by solar energy. It is not a very stylish conveyance, but is comfortable and has large windows all around. As I listen to one of the radio stations, I am pleasantly surprised to hear upbeat music and a very positive sounding DJ.
The songs are pleasant, uplifting and positive in nature. They are happy sounding. Obviously these people have learned the importance of sound, particularly through happy and upbeat music. I have not heard a single sad song, or songs about a lost love.

Except for the hum of a few "car" engines, the city is quiet. As far as I can tell, the single source of power is from the Sun. The people appear to be happy overall. but serious as well. They are at this vibrational level by choice, yet I hear one person questioning his decision to come here, as he thinks of the old days. He is a young former stockbroker who is trying to find his way in his new home.
Perhaps he is a little lonely. I am sure he will soon quit relating to the materialistic ways of old and move into a more deliberate path of light.

The people have become very adept at recognizing a new vibration among them. Without exception, each person comments on my vibration as we meet. Most ask if I am new here. I observe healings by light while touring a "doctors" office. Part of the exam consists of looking into a hand held optical device which produces light patterns.
This in turn is correlated to the person's current level of development, with options given for future growth. Although unique to each, the evaluations seem to produce similar results for those of similar vibrations, at least for those I saw. A very caring doctor is also doing some individual light healing with a small light projecting device.
There is a sincere interest on the part of this doctor to assist everyone who has asked for his help. The doctor becomes aware of my presence and is somewhat surprised by my visit.

I am told there are other life forms of similar vibration who are also using this as a "staging or phase-in" planet. As with we humans, they will remain here for as long as they choose, perhaps an entire lifetime, or until they raise their vibrational level to the 5th dimension.
I have not seen any of the non-humans. I am told they will remain in the background until we new arrivals have adjusted moreso to our surroundings. As I understand it, this planet is a temporary home for those who choose to continue their growth beyond the 4th dimension.
There are no time limits here. I am told that there are an infinite number of degrees within each dimension, which allows for either slow, quick, or unlimited growth, depending on the individuals' needs.
This is in contrast to the former Earth paradigm, where many levels of vibration were co-existing together, which made it more difficult for those existing on the upper and lowers ends.

The Fifth Dimension and Beyond

There are people on Earth who are prepared to move into the 5th dimensional level or higher. My journeys included some of these planets. but I will not detail these at this time. I will say that as our vibratory rates rise to higher levels, that our physical bodies will begin to change in very subtle ways, becoming more and more rarefied. The type and quantity of food we require will also change.
These physiological changes begin as we move into the 4th dimension and become even more pronounced as we approach the 5th. It is while in the 5th dimension that the transmutation from a more dense physical body to a lighter body occurs. It is not an instant process, though. It is the light body that will return to live in peace and harmony within the new 5th dimensional Earth. I do not know how long the transmutation process will require, but it is not long in time- space terms, perhaps 50-150 years. As of this writing, the process has already begun. But it will begin in earnest when many of the 11-12 year olds' born in 1992 (and earlier) have children of their own.
Their children will inaugurate the inception of light-bodied humanity.
Each succeeding generation of offspring will be less dense and of a higher vibration.

Return Visits To Earth

I have returned to Earth on several occasions, and each visit has shown marked change from the first. One visit is soon after the Great Harvest of Souls. Everything is abandoned. It is like a ghost town as depicted in the old wild west movies. I walk into several homes and they are just as they were left. Some still have food on the table. Many refrigerators are filled with food. It is all spoiled, as there is no electrical power. The impression is that everyone was prepared to leave when the time came, and there was no fanfare or attempts to exert unnecessary efforts towards things that were not to be taken.

On another visit, the final cleansing process has begun. From close proximity to the Earth, I can see the destruction of all man-made structures. Most of the large and tall buildings have already been leveled by myriad prior Earth changes. Now I am able to see great slabs of concrete roadways and bridges being churned up by invisible forces. Intense heat and other types of energies are being applied, literally dissolving and breaking them down into a more natural state. These then are to become a part of the surrounding nature.
Our space friends are assisting with the cleansing efforts. As I move across the countryside, I see craft hovering over the different structures. They are applying energy beams that disintegrate the objects. I am told that nothing is lost. These disintegrated objects are converted to another form of energy that can either be utilized within the Earth's atmosphere, or that dissipate into space beyond Earth. Chemicals harmful to the Earth and radioactive materials are being neutralized and rendered harmless. It is easy to understand why it was necessary for us to leave while the cleansing takes place.

The light-bodied humans that return to Earth will have no need for the human-made physical structures. They will travel by thought and will not have any need for a physical transportation system.
Their energy field will be self-regulated, so there will be no need for shelter. The efforts of the Earth and our space friends' energies are directed in the most loving way to return the Earth to a place of natural beauty. It is to be a beauty that will support the vibration of a 5th dimension planet, a planet of clean, fresh air and clean waterways. It is to be a planet with brilliant snow white poles and verdant forests.

My final visit finds a Mother Earth that is of breathtaking beauty.
As I approach her, I can see a clear, well defined, uninterrupted auric field. Beneath her aura is an atmosphere of rich clean air.
Missing are the gases and pollutants of the 3rd dimensional human era. The countryside is now covered with lush green trees, beautiful bushes and ground covers, and multicolored wild flowers of every variety. The waters are flowing in a rhythmic fashion and are clean, sparkling and spring-like clear. The musical chords of ecstatic vibrations are everywhere reflecting the total planetary harmony.
There are echoes of love - seen - heard - felt - as the Earth, the Mother of all Her planetary life, and the totality of Her life systems are all at-one-ment. It is a physical beauty that was only dreamed of before the advent of the Great Harvest. Mother Earth is more loving, fresh looking, radiant and magnificent. She is ready to welcome home those humans who have been preparing themselves for this time. A great homecoming celebration is being prepared as Mother has much love she wishes to share.

"When" and Other Information

An obvious question is "When is the Great Harvest of Souls to occur?"
I do not know. This has not been shared with me, although I believe we will be told in advance. In one sense it has already begun, just as the Earth changes have begun. One reason we are not being told is because there is not a definite schedule. The entire process is directly related to the energies and collective consciousness of humankind and the Earth. The Great Harvest of Souls WILL occur, but the exact date is not known. There is a probable time, but Earth is a free-will zone and we have many choices to make along our spiritual paths that will have an affect. I was told it will most likely occur in my childrens'
lifetime. In 1992 when I was told this, their ages were 24 and 23, respectively. I do know that the date will not be a surprise to us, as we will be kept informed.

Another concern will be that of pets, or animals in general. I do not recall seeing a single animal during my future travels. Perhaps I saw them and do not remember, since I was really focused on the human factors. However, this much I have been told: most animals will not remain on the 5th dimensional Earth, but they will be going with humankind. All present, Earth life-forms, in particular the animal kingdom, are compliments to and energy balancers for, humanity. This is one reason for their creation. The animals are at a different spiritual level than are humans, and will maintain that relative relationship as components of universal balance. Therefore, humankind will continue to share their life experiences with those of animals.

Others may be concerned about those who are bedridden, under medical care, in wheel chairs, blind, in prison or whatever condition and situation that may be imagined. The Great Harvest of Souls is for all souls, not just those who are physically and mentally "competent."
Between now and this miraculous event, humankind will be going through tremendous and rapid growth. Many major illnesses and ailments may be cured, as our own physiology reflects the Earths'
vibrational changes. We will begin to realize how we can control the physical with the mental, and how to manifest our thoughts quickly.
Many of us will cure our own ailments, but for those who do not, for whatever reasons, rest assured that all those on the Earth will be taken to their new home. Neither the Sun God nor our space friends who will be assisting, will judge us in any regard, whether it be spiritually, physically or mentally. They offer us only the pure love that they now experience.

[bodzoyfa]

hi guys

this was posted elsewhere and i just watched Drunvalo Melchizedek

at the very end after he speaks of the mayans writting their own book
he says that it is a wonderful time and
if you are in you heart not your head you can stand in a field naked and be fine...
i like this thought a lot better ..and also interesting how he says the hopi say they come from the mayans...it's all very interesting
waving
D

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/drunvalo.htm



http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/members/drunvalo.htm

Awesome video! A must watch! I must admit I have been getting bogged down a bit, but this video brought me right back up. Very pertinent to the topic of this thread! Enjoy!

Cheers

[LotusEarth]

"The priveledge of a lifetime is being who you are."

-Joseph Campbell

[THE eXchanger]

"safe is NOT a relative, of fear"

[2infinityandbeyond]

I get along i get along, iii get along i get along , singin my song!

I get along just singing my song people tell me im wronnng... **** em.


Just wanted to share :thumb_yello:

[Anchor]

Thanks for this thread.

We are all walking radiant zones.

These days each walk down the street is an exercise in that. When you smile at someone it may be the first smile that someone sees that day and can uplift and change them. I know that there is more to radiant zones than smiling - just an illustration.

NOW you are exactly where you are meant to be NOW.

In the flow of events you may need to move, then your heart/soul/intution will guide you.

A..

[Merlyn]

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Since Drunvalo Melchizedek was mentioned I thought I would share that he was present when the Mayan Elders at a Gathering (Nov 25 - Dec 9, 2007) as I understand it 25 Elders were given the job of writing a book translating certain pictures and their glyphs. I think they are doing this also to preserve some of this knowledge. I have not heard anything about the progress of the book so far. But it might be very interesting.

Also I believe that Drunvalo is going to be at the April 2009 Gathering in Arizona for those interested.
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[clarkkent]

thanks for everyones posts there has been really inspiring and touching insights ! :)
thanks for sharing everyone.

and susan i hope you dont misunderstand, im not saying trying to be safe is fearful, the thoughts on this thread are of safety and peace of mind through turbulent times if you cant flee to the few areas on the planet deemed safe or radiant.

someone else said, and i agree---that your state of mind is whats the most important, not necessarily where you are. i think the story of a doctor telling you that prepare for the worst and then using your mind to change that gloomy prediction is a perfect testament to this.

[Sky Otter]

Merlyn

he speaks of the book and how it is doing in this vid and also mentions the gathering in april in sedona..

if it is open to the public i am thinking of making a trip..although i really don't like to leave my little piece of paradise..

wavin at ya

dian

http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com...s/drunvalo.htm

[Martian Tigress]

Right on, ClarkKent for starting this thread!

Right on, Suriel for pointing out that the Earth is sentient and is protective of those who love and protect Her!

Right on, Accipiter-Phi for creating (literally from nothing, I might add) a whole new venous system for your beleaguered leg, and showing the 'experts' how real healing is done!

I, too am one of those who is right where I need to be, and I am going nowhere. I am a city employee: I already work to serve my community, and I will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

The elitist underground-bunker-escape mentality is a load of bushwah. In Plasma cosmology/HD physics modeling of electrical circuits (including our planetary magnetic dipole), energy moves through about 11 dimensions in and around the circuit. From a higher-dimensional viewpoint, there is no 'inside' or 'outside' to your body or the planet-- it is all a single higher-dimensional 'surface', and this is why energy (think Tesla and transverse EMF) can heal your 'insides' without having to cut a hole in what you think of as your 'body surface'. If the planet begins to induct more energy from a higher-dimensional input, the whole planet-- 'inside' as well as 'outside'-- will feel it: it's what we in our limited understanding refer to as 'resonance'. So if the surface starts having some sort of 'big resonance-problem damage', it will be felt everywhere, even underground. So much for the 'bunker-bonkers' worm-tunnels...

All this aside, neither my Guides or my instinct sees anything to panic over, as our own consciousness-field resonates with the planetary one. Simply put, if you want peace and a positive outcome, think it and focus on it. That is what will resonate it into being. The truth of Accipiter-Phi's self-healing is this: the new, improved leg-veins originated in the consciousness-field, not in the leg itself (the end manifestation).

Peace,

Martian Tigress

[rosie]

Hy Kyle, thanks for asking!

I have been "awake" for most of my life. And YES! I am staying where my family and friends are. I know in my HEART that whatever is in our future,
that I will be there for them, and they will know in their hearts that it is going to be OK, because I have chosen to open that door to the new paradigm without fear, only love, compassion, & empathy towards what ever we shall encounter.


I have always been a book hound, have always loved playing in the earth,
and don't get me started on our wonderful animals.
Because of these interests, I have been compiling info from A - Z regarding natural medicines, herbs, water gardens (fish), edible plants in southern ontario, candle making, etc. I am collecting seeds of all kinds.

Now is not the time to be materialistic, now is the time to be aware.

If we end up having to barter, I hope I could barter some of the above, while at the same time contribute to my community.

But that is just my thoughts of one probability, but as I do not fear death,
I have opened my heart to many probabilities, full of new experiences,
full of LIFE.

love & light

[MartyMcFailure]

Thanks to those who reccomended drunvalo! really interesting material, like a spiritual richard hoagland. i like this post a lot in new jersey /new york i was suprised there was so few of us. if u look at a maop its like we are spider webbed no one lives very close so i think perhaps we r where we should be and our vibes r gonna create a net and as consciousness increases as changes increase the hundredth monkey syndrome will be now in process

[VinnieCooper]

Well Right On,

I have been offering free Micro-Farm Solutions to People In my area Code, for a while thats been my Minor Plan... But I have an Open Mind, Always Keep An open Mind.

People who do Manage to get Self-Sufficent Will have to Expect to some "pressure" from "Refugees" if/when the world Turns upside down.

That will Proberly Include Most people On this Thead.

So Make sure you have an escape plan. Or Somthing.

If anyone in UK, wants to Help Set Up a Not-for-Profit Company aimed and Providing for "refugee" type people.

In a Frame work that works without a Disaster; such as a Vocational Training / Community Farming type Organisation

Such as the:

Indigenous Cultural Foundation
VocationalTraining &
Community Farming Projects.

We employ Lectur's
through selling Food and Indigenous Art,
at music events

Field Chemistry
Botanical Survey
Practical Archeological
Fly tip Clearance...... etc

Would Love more Help.

Though If sombody has stuff working outside this area and wants more help with something similer then I'm happy too be involved or In-corperated.

Can't see much point in pushing the wheels of deception along any further. Luckily I work for cash in the building industry and live mostly off the Grid, Don't think much of Funding the NHS or the Army. Lucky for me I can Do this because my son lives with his GrandParents. Anybody else with a similer amount of freedom feel free to get in touch.

[Gaia]

I have my granddaughter living with me at the time. She is 6 and the love of my life. I am not going anywhere until I think it is necessary.
I have l always lived my life through my intuition which is such a gift... I am prepared mentally to survive and I believe as David Wilcock that all is well as long as we are in tune.
Love guides us and I am betting that LOVE is all there is.
I hope for peace each and every day and even though I would normally vote Democratically, I believe now more then ever it is time for the feminine to be the center. Fire is not the answer. Water is the way-
But even so, we may not be able to change the course through regular systems. Mind will be the changing way. And unselfish love and kindness and leaving behind the material life we used to know.

LIVE LOVE

De

[clarkkent]

this doesnt have much to do with the thread but i watched "baraka" again and this part always makes me sad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tluogv9EGTQ&feature=related

-k

[Anchor]

this doesnt have much to do with the thread but i watched "baraka" again and this part always makes me sad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tluogv9EGTQ&feature=related

-k

Oh you bugger, I have tears welling up now. That song always gets to me. Lisa Gerrard has the voice of an angel.

Try this one on... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygHBv2CZ3PY The sound quality isnt that great, but there is a nice little interview at the start. Then try this one - it floored me the first time I heard it, its called "Sacrifice" live - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoXsxYf2UMA

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I think it perfectly valid to be aware that you are where you need to be - here and now.

What I dont think is valid is the assumption that it will be ever thus.

Each person should have done the basic preperations, physical and mental to be able to MOVE and move FAST if such becomes necessary. The call to move will come from within, and if you are not called to and you dont want to move - then don't.

A..

[rhythm]

:wub2::wub2:im with you on this one , cheers for that ,

[Quinn134t]

It reminds me of the guy that built his shelter, stocked it with goods need to survive, made sure all was in order to insure survival, but when an emergency arose and he went down the stairs, he scraped his arm on a rusty nail and shortly there after died of tetanus.

Not having the ways and means to move to a safe area can be frustrating at times, but I am at peace that I am in the best place I can be at this point in time. I plan to do what is within my realm to complete my life contract and hope future incarnations are in the past once this contract with earth is complete.

Before we came here, we all knew the what, when, and where, our death would occur. This knowledge will be released in our blood stream about two days before it occurs, and for now, I have no indication of imminent death.

The best way to know if your contract is complete? If you are reading this, it is not complete.

Take care, Be well,

Marc

[Frank Samuel]

Clark the video website you posted this is exactly why I am not keen on the doomsday theorist,Why because so many people are suffering around the world, dying everyday, year after year by the millions. Some people say we create our own Karma from past lives, I believe that we could stop the vicious cycle of mans cruelty to man. I've travel as a soldier and was part of the astrocities, then like many soldiers I realized that my own goverment was the worst violator of human rights in the world. When I got back from my tour of duty I've spend many years working with nonprofit organizations to bring the basic necessities of life to remote regions of the world, and even at home. I believe that I could make a difference . I saw how I could repent for my ignorance, focus my heart and soul to become a co-creator of life. So many soldiers are angry, sad, repentful and determine to be a ambassador of peace .Even if I die, I die a long time ago the moment I pulled that trigger
and cause pain and suffering. YES we can change, that's the miracle of life.
Day after day people all around the world in horrible circumstances, cry to God for help , you and I are listening to these prayers and realize that God
wants each and every one of us to realize that we are one. The pain you cause to one will cause to all, Stop NOW !!! Imagine our goverment instead of bailing out the banks decide to invest that money in the poor. A my dreaming, yes I am dreaming of a better tomorrow. We can place the seed of
the vision of a new world in the minds and hearts of our leaders, let them feel the pain cause by our ignorance and careless attitudes. Kenya civil unrest led 300,000 dead and 100,000 homeles and guest whose roots come from Kenya,
that's why I said that this nameless person has a secret agenda. When you hit a Leader with the pain of concious it is not an easy thing to live with.:tears:

[Molly]

I think it perfectly valid to be aware that you are where you need to be - here and now.

What I dont think is valid is the assumption that it will be ever thus.

Each person should have done the basic preperations, physical and mental to be able to MOVE and move FAST if such becomes necessary. The call to move will come from within, and if you are not called to and you dont want to move - then don't.

A..

This resonates with me, Anchor. What's true today may not be true tomorrow. Around March of this year, I got the message, 'be flexible.' So we live in a Bus now that we're outfitting with solar panels and biodiesel...ready to Move. the important thing to listen to that call within, wherever it leads you....

[china2012]

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[Ross]

....If I may offer something the Ra entity quoted in the Law of One Book 1 refering to telepathic or channelled messages sent from negatively orientated ET's:
'They send out messages. Some are received by those who are oriented towards service to others. These messages are then altered to be more
acceptable to those entities while warning of difficulties ahead. This is the most that self-serving entities can do when faced with those whose wish is to serve others.'

And in answer to a further question:

'It is entirely possible for the untuned channel, as you call that service, to receive both positive and negative communications. If the entity at the base of its confusion is orientated towards service to others, the entity will begin to receive messages of doom'

Remind you of any Project Camelot witness testimonies? This is the filter through which I now evaluate any 'contactee' information.

Incidently, I'm going nowhere either; even if my town flooded last year. There's good people around me here.

[BPhill]

Great post clark, I agree with you on many points. I have also been feeling like 'Enlightened' is sometimes portrayed by some as kind of an exclusive club. I certainly agree with initiatives that disseminate information which can positively impact someone's life but much of it seems to be shrouded in 'prerequisites' and one seemingly needs a sort of pseudo 'spiritual' bank balance required to make the grade for membership.

I also did not resonate with the way Bill and Kerry presented the M.D. video as a 'requirement' for Ground Crew members, as if saying if one cannot agree with what is being presented one must somehow be deficient in the qualities needed to be a Ground Crew member.

I do not want to hold on to the old, I fully agree that our major predicament as humanity is the 'Dreaming of the New Dream' or the imagining of the NEW that will open the window of new possibilities of to come forth and also that we are going to need academically, financially and industrially inclined people to make the new world work but last time I checked the learning process was not something exclusive to those who've had the privilege to be so inclined.

I strongly sense that being of sound mental, physical and balanced spiritual condition is THE GREATEST asset to the positive transformation of our planet, PEOPLE are INDEED the 'radiant zones' many speak of. I remember Ra stating in the LOO material that there are human beings upon our plane who just by their being execute the same energy balancing functions of the Great Pyramid and other such structures....just by being.

No matter how you want to look at it there are more than 6 BILLION choices to be made towards whatever comes next....6 BILLION. This NEW WORLD is not something that will be designated to a few bunch of enlightened individuals for them choose as they see fit, the ball might get rolling from such groups but ultimately it is EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING on this planet that will contribute.

as far as I can tell there are less than five black Africans who have become members of this forum, less than five Mexicans, less than five Saudis or let's make that non and I can continue this list for some time I am sure, the context of information presented on this forum and in the alternative community at large has little if anything many of these other than 'western' cultures can do properly relate with, does this then make them less eligible for humanity? For the preparations of a New World? NO, there are countless different ways to approach this, whether you channel nordic entities or don't channel at all, the key lies in being of sound mental, physical and spiritual configuration to properly address the situations and choices we are going to be facing.

[Oiran]

"The whole secret of existence is to have no fear. Never fear what will become of you, depend on no one. Only the moment you reject all help are you freed." ~Gautam Buddha

[Martian Tigress]

Last time I checked, everybody on the planet still had their free will...

What makes a person 'ground crew' is what that person is doing right now in aid of the planet and Her children, not whether or not one accepts as factual what is said in the course of a 2-hour interview by a person who has a book to sell.

Don't get me wrong-- I am firmly of the belief that Ms. Delicado has the right to speak about whatever she feels is important. I also have the right to decide how much weight I will give or not give to anything she may say, and the whole issue of a) what she has to say, and b) what my opinion of it is, is completely unrelated to what I am doing to help the planet and the community in which I live.

With regard to the whole 'radiant zone' idea, I will reiterate what I have said elsewhere on the forum-- the whole planet is one big Radiant Zone. She is awake and aware, and for me to play at saving this little bit or that little bit is like me going to my biological mom and saying to her, 'Gee, I can't save your whole body and awareness, so I'll just cut off your right arm and save that.' The planet is One Whole Being, and tearing Her into further bits is not going to foster life and/or survival. Tearing things into bits is how humanity came to the pass that it is currently at, and it is part of the problem, not the solution to the problem.

So I am here to network, to pull together, not pull apart. People are entirely free to agree or disagree with me, and that is as it should be.

As for me, I am a whole being walking my path on a Whole Planet. I am not waiting for the future, I am the future.

Peace,

Martian Tigress

[sirian77]

Does going underground counts here? :original:

[Seva]

Been wondering about this, maybe we are ment to be stuck in certain areas? I mean this is catching the majority of lightworkers off guard, who is really prepared what percentage of us is in a acre homestead with food & supplies. Yet we all knew this was comming maybe we were ment to adapt as it comes along to be most useful for the greater good.

So many perpareds are running for the hills walling themselves up in a land far away. And part of me whispers abandoned when i think about it. Thats like what spiritual ones did in past lives hid on top of a mountain to avoid the people. But we are reaching out o0t them in this lifetime, monks no more. Social butterflies of the message of love.

Abandon them we will not. Even if we must arrange circomstances so we do it subconsciously?

Poem for you that i love

The Sonnets1609
Let me not to the marriage of true minds
Admit impediments. Love is not love
Which alters when it alteration finds,
Or bends with the remover to remove.
O no, it is an ever-fixed mark
That looks on tempests and is never shaken;
It is the star to every wand'ring bark,
Whose worth's unknown, although his height be taken.
Love's not Time's fool, though rosy lips and cheeks
Within his bending sickle's compass come;
Love alters not with his brief hours and weeks,
But bears it out even to the edge of doom.
If this be error and upon me proved,I never writ, nor no man ever loved.

Think of this for one sec

But bears it out even to the edge of doom.

ooo the strength in that, the love of others more then ones self. not to abandon them?

what better description of a "lightworker"


and now something to make you giggle

i feel like this sometimes lately, but where are all where we should be if we are in the FLOW. Its funny thou :lol3:


http://i216.photobucket.com/albums/cc273/Kryssi_17/Fail.jpg

How many people are gathering skills needed? Been looking into canning today, and advanced square foot gardening. Maybe a path or reason will show itself, and we will flow into serendipity......... :wink2:

looks at tv DOW down 748 :yikes:


Lets have a sing a long :) READY :roll1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXZGefbrlyY

LOVE U ALL

seva

[Oiran]

The concept of 'The Law of Attraction vs Law of Awareness' applies very strongly to this issue:

"When you expect various negative possibilities, are you merely aware of them, or do you really believe deep down that they are inevitable and therefore dread them in some way?

The difference is between prudence and paranoia, between mental anticipation and emotional investment...

When you become aware of a probable future, you are observing it, but only partially because it is not a certainty. But whereas observing a quantum wave in the present collapses it into a definite state, observing a wave still in the future merely constricts it a little, reducing its fluidity and therefore interfering with its ability to manifest synchronistically in the present.

Synchronicity is how the future becomes the present through an entirely quantum process. The more certain you are that a particular future will happen, the more that future is frozen and kept from manifesting through quantum / synchronistic means. This simply implies that instead of coming to you synchronistically, you would have to go toward it causally...

So this is why awareness blocks, selects, and filters – because it freezes the future. That is good if you want to freeze out negative futures, but not good if eager anticipation shuts out positive futures.

There is also a bit of Timeline Dynamics involved here. If a certain future involves you getting sideswiped by negative forces, then that future has a good probability of happening. That makes it a stronger future, whose feedback effects travel back into the present and attract you toward it.

For instance, you might feel a mental tug to do something, to forget something, commit an error, etc… that results in getting unexpectedly ambushed. But if you become aware of the attack ahead of time, then that prepares you to successfully handle it and utterly demolishes the future where you were hit out of the blue. This cuts off the feedback loop from that future, which then frees you mentally and emotionally from its pressure in the present...

Through awareness, you literally “head off” the negative future. It’s like the saying, “To never have to use a weapon, have one handy.”

[In summary] -- always expect attack... knowledge protects and ignorance endangers... having a happy-go-lucky attitude and practicing non-anticipation of positive things opens the flow for their manifestation."

Taken from, "Law of Attraction vs Law of Awareness"
http://montalk.net/notes/law-of-attraction-vs-law-of-awareness

[Samarkis]

Hello to all~~~~

Just wanted to say also that I am not planning on going anywhere.
I feel positive about the new changes that are coming and feel it important
to stay focused on positive as this is what we want attracted to us!!!

I am looking forward to the Earth changes as I feel it in my being that we will not be part of Mother Earth when she cleanses herself. We will be with our family of light. I do not plan on hiding under rocks!

I feel assured that the ET's have disarmed ALL nuclear weapons of large scale
and am not worried of Nuclear War. It is up to us to stand on important
issues that have to do with us as a people, as Humanity.

Money is only a convenient way to distribute goods. We should look towards distributing this more evenly!!!Meanwhile, we can ALL intend on abundance.

Blessings to all in their quest for the new Paradigm!!!http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z299/Samarkis/peace2.jpg

[RSF]

KIlling other Human beings -- NO
Detonation of Nuclear weapons -- NO
We're being watched -- YES

Frankly, what the hell is it with both Governmental & Military dominance?

Some f_________ Countries live in other Worlds when they should really be keeping an eye on things at home, especially lately.

RSF

[Seva]

Hey guys

for those of us not going anywhere, i just put up two ebooks that are pretty cool

this one is on how to form a sustainable community

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7151

and this one is how to form a community garden

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=76183#post76183

they have some good info :thumb_yello:

[Tara]

We are in this together. There is no where to go. Stay where you are and have faith. We will survive, we always do. We must keep our conciousness connected and KNOW that all will be good. There is no end. It may be turbulant, but it is nothing we haven't experienced before. Agian, have faith, not in God, but in ourselves. We are resiliant. We are strong. We are unstopable in whatever we decide we want the outcome to be. Knowing is what is important. Do not let fear guide you. It will keep you stifled, non productive. What you want is what you KNOW to be true. It is that simple.

[whitecrow]

What is safe? Are we not in place, wherever that may be, for a reason or reasons? Is it safe to survive the bomb and die slowly after?

Can the body be safe if the spirit is not?

We've had a possibility open up to move to a fairly remote location in northern AZ, but are letting that play itself out as it will. I am near the coast, in a fault zone, and close to military bases. What could be safer? I have had for some years now, an abiding feeling that I'm exactly where I should be.

[Artycarl]

Excellent thread ClarkKent as always.

I have made some preparations for a quick getaway, if needed, as I live close to London. But in making those plans I realised I might be leaving friends and family to their fate and that is a hard and perhaps selfish thing to do.

Who is to say if a man in a wooden shed somewhere has a lower chance of survival than a man in a multi-million, purpose built shelter.

Only fate will decide that.

[Jnana]

This is the best thread I have seen on this forum. Very encouraging.

I was "urged" to move a couple of years ago. We moved to this place in June of '07, which was before the awakening process that happened to me earlier this year. Many things are changing in my life - many new associations with amazingly kind and generous people. I don't worry about whether these people are aware of the Illuminati or earth changes. They'll be fine. I have much to learn from them.

I feel I am where I need to be for whatever is to come.

There is some good advice in this thread. I agree that people need to be open to intuition and to follow their urgings. That is how to be where you are needed.

What forms of human suffering bother you the most? Look nearby. Follow your heart. Help is needed now. There's no need to wait for a great disaster.

[sleepingnomore]

There is a reason we are located where we are right now. To move to a new location based on fear is illogical. As some have already stated we will be needed in the location we presently live in or what's the point of mankind continuing? If we flee and leave others because we judge them not to be as awake as we think we are, does that make us any better than the NWO?

[macleodmunro]

Well done CK for starting this thread.

I never seriously considered going anywhere, and i'm glad i'm not the only one thinking like this.

I'm certainly not leaving my family behind, and i can't take them to a radient zone as my mental kids would destroy the vibe in an instant.

No, i'm gonna stay put and just see what happens. And if that's a bad choice them guess what, it's only the vessle that dies, and thats gonna happen anyway.

Besides Scotlands not a very big land mass and it's only an hours drive from the coast where i am to the deer and rabbit ladden hills.

Not sure how i'd hunt them though. People don't tend to have guns here.
Maybe i'll take up archery.

Best of luck everyone, Paul.

[micjer]

In a worst case scenario I would still rather be where I am with our survival plan, our friends relatives and contacts(hunters, carpenters, farmers, welders etc.) than be in a foreign country where I know no-one.

We live in the country, have access to a woodlot for firewood, have a natural well for water, grow our own food and have a back-up generator for electricity. Why would I want to leave.

Now if I lived in a large city on the coast in an apartment I might consider moving, but that is a personal choice and an individual will have to determine what their gut tells them.

:sweatdrop:

[dayzero]

No matter where you go, there you are.

[AndyH]

this doesnt have much to do with the thread but i watched "baraka" again and this part always makes me sad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tluogv9EGTQ&feature=related

-k

Baraka is indeed a fantasic video.
That clip reminds you that no matter how bad some of us here have things, we're still 100 times better off than many,many,many others on this planet.

You know why the Elite detest us? Because so few of us realise this and even fewer do anything about it.
They mock our ignorance imho. They actually hate us for not hating them. Ironic isn't it?
If you were to meet one of the "PTB" they would at least admire and respect you. It's my opinion that they want a world of people like this when they come crawling out of their holes. Even more ironic is that I won't be in a mood for forgiveness.

As for staying, well I already made my move a long time ago. I've got a decent place with what I need and plenty of decent folk nearby. I'll take my chances here.

[ChristinCP]

is it service to others if you abandon everything you know and who you love to go to some remote place and hope you dont die? or is that service to self?
earth has many different futures and realites, why choose the most damaging one? why give your energy to it? -kyle


Brilliant point. I think I'm gonna stay with the fam and friends and help them as much as possible, before I worry about saving my own skin and moving to some hidden corner of the earth. :thumb_yello:

[vibe]

I find it interesting that the "nordic blondes" are the biggest proponent that this event is 100% going to happen. i find it interesting that the people warning of us of this seem to me to be what amounts to a future version of hitler's "master race"
-has no one else noticed this? why arent future black people or indian people or asians telling us this? why are "nordics" telling us there will be no "ascension" yet crop circles imply that that we WILL-as do some "light beings" other people have been contacted by.

"There is so much good in the worst of us
and so much bad in the best of us
that it ill behooves some of us
to talk about the rest of us"!

If they are tall, bonde and nordic looking SO WHAT?!

There are NO races or peoples that have not committed atrocities against others. It is just that for the last sixty years Hollowood and others have hammered and pounded away on Germans as if they and ONLY they were "EVIL".
I saw Germany right after the war and I assure you, that whatever they might have done, when that war was over, they had paid!!!! If anyone had been "holocausted" it was the German civilian population.

Let us hope that that part of the paradigm will shift also!

Concerning safe areas, I just wish, they would be a little more specific. It is not much use to Europeans to be told, that there is some obscure place in the States called "the four corners" that is safe, since we do not have a hope in hell of getting there.
It may be primitive to wish for physical safety, but OK then I am primitive. I want safety, particularly for my loved ones. So it would be very convenient, if the "tall nordics" would come out and say precisely, WHERE on each continent their shelters are, if that is not too much trouble.

Vibe

P.S. Incidentally I happen to be "tall, blonde and nordic looking" myself (but not German) and I certainly never holocausted anyone nor do I have the slightest intention to hurt a fly if I can help it in any way.

[efields]

:trumpet:On the one hand, if our home sells, we will move to a radiant zone. On the other hand we have an oceanfront home, and if it is taken by the sea maybe we have the best of the deal. To move to radiant zone after losing most of the population and have a waterworld type existence may the Worst of times. Can you really imagine being thrown back, to that level of life, with the world perhaps dying an interminable Stink? What kind of a life is that. I'm not sure I desire such an existence. What ever Creation has in mind for me, well I'm fine with that. Maybe its a blessing to Not Uproot ,and go with the rest of the family, who has no belief in any of these changes.. Im not even sure, I do, although on most levels I do. Im not sure its a gift, to be the Core Group, left to carve existence, out of a cesspool, should it all go to pot.. If it all goes bad then its gonna be a real trial, to stay alive, a little group slowly dying, from radiation ,hunger, etc.. Maybe a blessing to be Harvested instead. It's really not up to us. Be rest assured, all will be were they are supposed to be, and all will bear, whatever they have reaped. Just allow Creation to cradle you, as it has been caring for you since your creation here. No Worries. You can't make a mistake. We will all be were we should be as we all have been were we should have been since our arrival here.. 'Let go' and enjoy your moments here. None of us know, to a man, if perhaps this is Your Last day here this very night. We are all leaving here, one way or another. There are no survivors in life. What's the phrase? Oh Yeah...'Two sure things.. Death & Taxes' I'm up for whatever I get delivered to my door. It's been a grand Ride, and I wouldn't have traded one moment of it for anything. Sure I'll see some of you after the Transition. Happy Trails Brothers.

Can you imaging 'no more' Markets, Toilet Paper, Drug stores etc. No more nothing? Does not sound to "radiant" to me. But if thats our fate that too could be a Grand Adventure. The New Grand Tour with Brian Sewell. It will all be pretty amazing, should it come to pass. Most of the time, I don't believe it. We shall see, if we last the night.