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09-28-2008, 08:04 AM
Greeting's To All!

Site operator is back> and posting free and new update alerts!

For those interested in the source site check below;
OSW main site link; http://www.owsweather.com/ows.html

Chemtrail Reports www.owsweather.com/contrailreport.html

use these links below-for direct pages:

North America: http://www.owsweather.com/chemalert.jpg

Europe: http://www.owsweather.com/chemalert2.jpg

Australia: http://www.owsweather.com/chemtrailmap3.html

09-28-2008, 10:05 AM
Thanks for the link giovonni, the maps on this subsequent link are interesting.


09-29-2008, 05:24 PM
i find the chemtrail thing very interesting and would like to hear more about it. and what there actualy doing.

09-30-2008, 05:37 AM
To The Ground Crew,
This week, my region has had picture perfect fall weather. :original:gio

09-30-2008, 07:06 AM
Hello all,

My Sky Cleaner (like a cloud buster) stopped tropical storm Fay from hitting our local town directly. So I made a video of it all.


Positive orgone energy is one good way to knock down such things as chemtrails. If you need help in constructing some positive orgone devices, let me know.

I am an orgone engineer and the US black opts knows me well because of my positive energy work for all good and love. I have been psychically attacked by these inbreeded idiots on a continued basis, but such childish ways do not harm me anymore. Everything is energy and when you believe that you can reform or removed it for the betterment and greater good for all involved, nothing is impossible!

Also, even though I've been unemployed for months now and the US government continues to not send me any unemployment checks, my offer to help others in this way is COMPLETELY SELFLESS!!! So no selling going on here. The more positive orgone devices on the planet, the better. If anything, when you properly construct positive orgone devices you are helping our future mother earth and all here living on her, which is good enough for me.

Remember that love is the key.

Kevin aka Waterhawk

unlimited mind
09-30-2008, 07:21 AM
Hello all,

My Sky Cleaner (like a cloud buster) stopped tropical storm Fay from hitting our local town directly. So I made a video of it all.


Positive orgone energy is one good way to knock down such things as chemtrails. If you need help in constructing some positive orgone devices, let me know.

I am an orgone engineer and the US black opts knows me well because of my positive energy work for all good and love. I have been psychically attacked by these inbreeded idiots on a continued basis, but such childish ways do not harm me anymore. Everything is energy and when you believe that you can reform or removed it for the betterment and greater good for all involved, nothing is impossible!

Remember that love is the key.

Kevin aka Waterhawk

awesome! we have an orgone group here on the forum full of mad scientists. come give us all a shout http://projectavalon.net/forum/group.php?groupid=3

10-02-2008, 01:50 AM
Hi Ground Crew.Thanks for the thread giovonni

I don' know much about chemtrails other than some shorthand research and

the Discovery Channel show/doc. "Best Evidence" (I think that was the name)

Anyway I saw this thread the other day and it reminded me to look up more.

What do you guys think of these patterns? I've been seeing similar patterns all around my locale.

10-03-2008, 06:08 AM
Wow, these things (chemtrails) are really smacking me in the face.

I just listened to Kerry and Bill interview Clif from Half Past Human last night. Very intersting. Regarding what Clif said about chemtrails (possibly being used to add reflectivity to artificially cool the planet), I'm slightly bewildered.

It seems to me that (from the ones I've witnessed) chemtrails would add little more reflectivity than normal clouds. I think I'm more on board with Kerry's thinking in that there are more nefarious intentions involved.

Here's a couple of shots I snapped from my car on the way home tonight. Virtualy the same patterns as yesterday and in a completely different part of town. (not the best quality: camera phone near dusk)

Nanosecond 2012
10-03-2008, 07:48 AM
To The Ground Crew,
This week, my region has had picture perfect fall weather. Unfortunately, this region has been under the Highest Alert (checkout owsweather site) for Contrails spraying (possible harmful chemicals) which I now truly suspect. I have had to spend the last few days out side. I have been quite healthy all summer long (plenty of water, vitimin B12 etc). My throat is sore, my eyes are swollen and I am coughing up a white mucus (sorry). My joints hurt and are real stiff. I have not been around anyone with these symptons either. Nor to my knowledge, exposed to any known viruses or bacteria. I called a friend, who runs a clinic, and was told there has been a lot of inquires with these symptoms, going around? Sounds like the flu but, my stomach and regulatory system are fine? I have rinsed my mouth and throat out with warm water and salt and then brushed my tongue also. This seems to have helped a lot, but the symptoms seem to be coming back. I am going to have a strip-throat lab test done tomorrow. With this monitoring web site now available, if any of you notice the same scenario and side affects, please post giovonni

Update: 10/2/08
My strip throat test was negative, but my doctor still gave me antibiotics, he thinks it might be in my sinus system, but no cold or flu symptoms?

All of the South Bay from Santa Monica to Torrance , Southern California was covered with Chemtrails starting at about 3PM until the all the blue in the sky turned to white stew and it diden't stop until it got dark on October 2, 2008 I have mucus in my throte and I have been using salt water also. There is a Miracle Mineral Solution that you can take from www.globallightnetwork.com called MMS Pretty good stuff. :lightsabre::lightsabre::lightsabre:

10-03-2008, 06:47 PM
hi there all / giovonni
i totally agree with what your saying about the recent chemtrails i and my family have all been feeling unwell lately sore throats sore eyes and aching neck just wonderd if any 1 else has been feeling please see my pics taken
28/09/08 3 days ago they show heavy spraying can any one tell what exactly is in the poison they're dropping on us, thanks :

10-03-2008, 07:12 PM
I have observed Chemtrails for awhile now where I live along the SE coast. I got a cloudbuster, but I don't know if it works or not.

Sometimes on heavy days, I can feel a scratchiness in the throat. Good remedies for relief are: Cilantro (chelation), flax seed, St. John's wort and anything that boosts immunity.

The other thing I want to mention is SYLPHS, air elementals, that can be called to help out. They are seen by a lot of people consciously focused on chemtrails. You can check out articles on Educate Yourself (Ken Adachi's site).

I am attaching a picture of a sylph that was breaking up a chemtrail. That same day, I saw a horse-shaped sylph. The black helos came by just after I took this shot, and flew over our horse farm.

What I had done, was ask for help. But I haven't seen the sylphs for awhile and the chemtrail op seems to have dropped off....at least for a few days now.

10-03-2008, 10:10 PM
I was outside in San Diego last night and there were two large chemtrails taking up a third of the sky. Interesting that it was going on all over SoCal. Luckily I have no symptoms that I can pinpoint.

10-04-2008, 07:35 PM
Thanks for the link giovonni, the maps on this subsequent link are interesting.


Greeting's to all,
Thanks She-Ra, and all those who have contributed to this thread!!

10-05-2008, 05:00 PM
Google colloidal silver and how to make it yourself. Don't get sucked into buying a generator. With a glass jar, fish tank aerator, a 9v power supply from radio shack linked to wires with alligator clips, a couple of pure silver coins, spoons or silver wire and distilled (HAS to be distilled) you can cook a 16oz batch in about 40mins. Kills over 600 known bacterias and viruses. Drink 1 tbls in the morning and one in the evening daily for maintenance. Spray on cuts and scratches, can be put in eyes with a dropper and in baby formula (in small amounts). Use it to clean water for drinking (that's what they use all over Mexico) or wash suspect food to kill food borne bacteria.

Only known side affect is turning your skin blue if you drink glasses of it everyday. Pioneers used to drop a silver dollar in a jug of milk to keep it bacteria free without refrigeration. Silver serving dishes were made of silver for the anti-bacterial qualities. Babies were given a silver spoon to suck on to keep them bacteria free. Can't make it? Wash and suck on a silver quarter, dime, half dollar, spoon etc.

10-06-2008, 08:32 PM
Chemtrails are a bio-weapon used by the ptb for control and elimination
check out All the links here

10-07-2008, 12:20 AM
Greeting's lehomonuka,
Thanks for your contribution to this thread. The site you suggested, is an important link into this controversy.

10-07-2008, 02:15 AM
Hi members,

In response to Sir Gallahad

Info' I have sourced on the net indicates the main ingredients of chemtrails (at least the ones that settle on the ground when climatic conditions permit) are: Barium & various viri, held together with a polymer which looks like a spiders web. People who have reportedly picked up the "web" claim that it dissolves on contact with the skin and is followed by flu like symptoms shortly afterwards. As to whom or why, I am still searching. Heavy metal detox & immune boosting compounds seem to be the suggested treatments. I suggest the use of homoeopathy.


THE eXchanger
10-07-2008, 02:23 AM
they make a great back drop -- for blue beams

10-07-2008, 02:29 AM
Here is a letter from a whistle-blower in the commercial airlines industry that I think you all will be interested in:

"For reasons you will understand as you read this I can not divulge my identity. I am an aircraft mechanic for a major airline. I work at one of our maintenance bases located at a large airport. I have discovered some information that I think you will find important.

First I should tell you something about the "pecking order" among mechanics. It is important to my story and to the cause to which you have dedicated yourself.

Mechanics want to work on three things. The avionics, the engines, or the flight controls. The mechanics that work on these systems are considered at the top of the "pecking order". Next come the mechanics that work on the hydraulics and air conditioning systems. Then come the ones who work on the galley and other non-essential systems. But at the very bottom of the list are the mechanics that work on the waste disposal systems. No mechanic wants to work on the pumps, tanks, and pipes that are used to store the waste from the lavatories.

But at every airport where I have worked there are always 2 or 3 mechanics that volunteer to work on the lavatory systems. The other mechanics are happy to let them do it. Because of this you will have only 2 or 3 mechanics that work on these systems at any one airport. No one pays much attention to these guys and no mechanic socializes with another mechanic who only works on the waste systems. In fact I had never thought much about this situation until last month.

Like most airlines we have reciprocal agreements with the other airlines that fly into this airport. If they have a problem with a plane one of our mechanics will take care of it. Likewise if one of our planes has a problem at an airport where the other airline has a maintenance base, they will fix our plane.

One day last month I was called out from our base to work on a plane for another airline. When I got the call the dispatcher did not know what the problem was. When I got to the plane I found out that the problem was in waste disposal system. There was nothing for me to do but to crawl in and fix the problem. When I got into the bay I realized that something was not right. There were more tanks, pumps, and pipes then should have been there. At first I assumed that the system had been changed. It had been 10 years since I had worked on one. As I tried to find the problem I quickly realized the extra piping and tanks were not connected to the waste disposal system. I had just discovered this when another mechanic from my company showed up. It was one of the mechanics who usually works on these systems. I happily turned the job over to him. As I was leaving I asked him about the extra equipment. He told me to "worry about my end of the plane and let him worry about his!"

The next day I was on the company computer to look up a wiring schematic. While I was there I decided to look up the extra equipment I had found. To my amazement the manuals did not show any of the extra equipment I had seen with my own eyes the day before. I even tied in to the manufacturer files and still found nothing. Now I was really determined to find out what that equipment did.

The next week we had three of our planes in our main hanger for periodic inspection. There are mechanics crawling all over a plane during these inspections. I had just finished my shift and I decided to have a look at the waste system on one of our planes. With all the mechanics around I figured that no one would notice an extra one on the plane. Sure enough, the plane I choose had the extra equipment!

I began to trace the system of pipes, pumps, and tanks. I found what appeared to be the control unit for the system. It was a standard looking avionics control box but it had no markings of any kind. I could trace the control wires from the box to the pumps and valves but there were no control circuits coming into the unit. The only wires coming into the unit was a power connection to the aircraft's main power bus.

The system had 1 large and 2 smaller tanks. It was hard to tell in the cramped compartment but it looked like the large tank could hold 50 gallons. The tanks were connected to a fill and drain valve that passed through the fuselage just behind the drain valve for the waste system. When I had a chance to look for this connection under the plane I found it cunningly hidden behind a panel under the panel used to access the waste drain.

I began to trace the piping from the pumps. These pipes lead to a network of small pipes that ended in the trailing edges of the wings and horizontal stabilizers. If you look closely at the wings of a large airplane you will see a set of wires, about the size of your finger, extending from the trailing edge of the wing surfaces. These are the static discharge wicks. They are used to dissipate the static electric charge that builds up on a plane in flight. I discovered that the pipes from this mystery system lead to every 1 out of 3 of these static discharge wicks. These wicks had been "hollowed out" to allow whatever flows through these pipes to be discharged through these fake wicks.

It was while I was on the wing that one of the managers spotted me. He ordered me out of the hanger telling me that my shift was over and I had not been authorized any overtime.

The next couple of days were very busy and I had no time to continue my investigation. Late one afternoon, two days after my discovery, I was called to replace an engine temperature sensor on a plane due to take off in two hours. I finished the job and turned in the paperwork.

About 30 minutes later I was paged to see the General Manager. When I went in his office I found that our union rep and two others who I did not know were waiting on me. He told me that a serious problem had been discovered. He said that I was being written up and suspended for turning in false paperwork. He handed me a disciplinary form stating that I had turned in false paperwork on the engine temperature sensor I had installed a few hours before. I was floored and began to protest. I told them that this was ridiculous and that I had done this work. The union rep spoke up then and recommended that we take a look at the plane and see if we could straighten it all out. It was at this time that I asked who the other two men were. The GM told me that they were airline safety inspectors but would not give me their names.

We proceeded to the plane, which should have been in the air but was parked on our maintenance ramp. We opened the engine cowling and the union rep pulled the sensor. He checked the serial number and told everyone that it was the old instrument. We then went to the parts bay and went back into the racks. The union rep checked my report and pulled from the rack a sealed box. He opened the box and pulled out the engine temperature sensor with the serial number of the one I had installed. I was told that I was suspended for a week without pay and to leave immediately.

I sat at home the first day of my suspension wondering what the hell had happened to me. That evening I received a phone call. The voice told me "Now you know what happens to mechanics who poke around in things they shouldn't. The next time you start working on systems that are no concern of yours you will lose your job. As it is I'm feeling generous, I believe that you'll be able to go back to work soon" CLICK. Again I had to pick myself from off the floor. I made the connection that what had happened was directly connected to my tracing the mysterious piping. The next morning the General Manager called me. He said that due to my past excellent employment record that the suspension had been reduced to one day and that I should report back to work immediately. The only thing I could think of was what are they trying to hide and who are THEY!

That day at work went by as if nothing had happened. None of the other mechanics mentioned the suspension and my union rep told me not to talk about it. That night I logged onto the Internet to try to find some answers. I don't remember now how I got there but I came across your site. That's when it all came together. But the next morning at work I found a note inside my locked locker. It said, "Curiosity killed the cat. Don't be looking at Internet sites that are no concern of yours."

Well that's it. THEY are watching me.

Well you already know what they are doing. I don't know what they are spraying but I can tell you how they are doing it. I figure they are using the "honey trucks". These are the trucks that empty the waste from the lavatory waste tanks. The airports usually contract out this job and nobody goes near these trucks. Who wants to stand next a truck full of sh--. While these guys are emptying the waste tanks they are filling the tanks of the spray system. They know the planes flight path so they probably program the control unit to start spraying some amount of time after the plane reaches a certain altitude. The spray nozzles in the fake static wicks are so small that no one in the plane would see a thing.

God help us all,
A concerned citizen."


10-07-2008, 02:33 AM
If any of you are interested further in details about chemtrails, I have a variety of friends around the world that have been reporting on this for years. Here's a good place to start: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=85557872

10-07-2008, 02:53 AM
Wow that letter is really detailed.

Either the guy is really a mechanic or he did some intensely boring research on waste disposal systems. I believe the former to be more likely.

Thanks Wes. Where did you find this if you don't mind me asking?

10-07-2008, 02:55 AM
Thanks Wes. Where did you find this if you don't mind me asking?

See my last email above. Go to my friends site, see all his blogs then go see his friends...they are chemtrail researchers all over the globe.

10-07-2008, 03:06 AM
See my last email above. Go to my friends site, see all his blogs then go see his friends...they are chemtrail researchers all over the globe.


Black Plague, Chemtrails, Mad Cow
- how will it all end?
-Ray Cecot, Organizational Director

In the last issue of
The Messenger, I spoke of the book titled The Gods
of Eden by William Bramley (Avon Books,
copyright 1989). What I have been able to learn
about the author is that he is an attorney who began
researching the war-like qualities inherent in the
human race and the possible reasons therefore.
In his research, he came across a rather interesting
conclusion: mankind has been periodically
manipulated by extraterrestrial beings, maintaining
humankind in its aggressive behavior pattern.

10-16-2008, 12:05 AM
Here is copy of a great post on another thread by Platinum. It goes into great depth about the arial spraying phenomenon but not in quite the direction you might expect.

It's a long read but if it's all true you might only have about 20 years to read it.


Re: HEADS UP!!! Anyone noticing sudden sickness coming over everyone?


Originally Posted by wes_whitewolf
Would be great to find an actual whistle-blower willing to come forward...would require a lot of courage as I'm sure PTB don't want the truth on this one revealed unlike the other WB's on Project Camelot.

Well, as it happens, I do have a very interesting question and answer session with a "Chemtrail Whistle-blower" who was known as "Deep Shield". I cannot guarantee or prove whether or not he actually was an 'insider' on this Project, though the depth of his knowledge speaks volumes for me. Some of what he says seems to go against other things I believe are true about what is going on 'behind the scenes', though it is of course possible that he was only himself told what he "needed to know".

Sadly 'Deep Shield' "committed suicide" a while after revealing this information, by method of a hose from the exhaust pipe into his car in his garage. He left no "suicide note".

Here is that communication:

Having read your email, I must say that you are full of questions. These questions I would dismiss immediately as being the frustrated attempts of fringe groups to bring a halt to the project, however these reports of biological material being part of the spray should be addressed. Therefore I will give as much attention to all of your questions as possible.

1. What purpose do polymer threads imbedded with biological material serve in this scenario?

Polymers are part of the mixture and they do form in threads and in `tufts'. The idea is simple and comes to us from the spider. As you may know spider webbing is very light, some newborn spiders spin a `parachute' to catch the prevailing breeze to travel far from their place of birth. Spiders have been able to attain high altitudes and travel great distances for long periods of time. Most of the elements used in the spray are heavier than air, even in their powdered form they are heavier and will sink quickly. Mixing them with the polymers suspends the particles in the atmosphere high above the surface for longer periods of time, therefore in theory we do not need to spray as often or as much material. Since the suspended particles eventually do settle into the lowest part of the atmosphere and are inhaled by all life forms on the surface there is an attempt to counter the growth of mold by adding to the mixture mold growth suppressants - some of which may be of biological material.

Mold comes in spores that travel on the winds; the polymers can attract mold spores through static charges created by the friction of the polymer threads and the atmosphere. Add a bit of warmth and moisture and mold begins to grow. The polymer is stored in a liquid form as two separate chemicals. When sprayed they combine behind the plane `spinning' long polymer chains (threads). Much tinkering has been done which the chemical matrix in past years. Many polymers (plastics) are non-biodegradable thus add to the problem of pollution. Various formula have been used, some which even use biological agents. It would be great if we could reproduce the same web material that spiders make, it is extremely strong, extremely lightweight and breaks down relatively fast in the ecology.

2. If this spraying is to mitigate global warming, why does so much of it take place at night?

Though it would appear that the dispersal rate of the spray is fast, it is actually takes much longer to be an effective shield. There is a desired concentration being sought. One that is thick enough to stem the UV and the Infrared, while being thin enough to allow visible light through. A perpetual cloud cover would have disastrous effects on plant life; the food chain thus disrupted would soon collapse. The desired effect wanted is a thin cover that would theoretically create a daytime haze that allows plenty of sunlight while providing protection. From UV radiation and also reflect enough infrared to maintain nominal temperatures.

The optimal condition is to use the least amount of material to provide the maximum amount of shielding. Ideally that would be a one-time application which would stay suspended for years, however, as noted, barium and aluminum and other trace elements are far heavier than air and they sink rather rapidly. The different temperatures between day and night causes massive volumes of air to rise during the night, the warm air trapped at the surface rises above the cooling air above. By strategically spraying in certain areas at night, we get the advantage of the rising air, which not only pushes the material higher, but also causes the material to disperse into a thin layer.

I would suggest studying on the subject of weather, namely highs and lows and how air moves to fully understand the times of spraying. I note, it is not just global warming we are combating here, we are also combating UV Summer. Global warming could effectively be treated by applications during the night, when the warm air rises. However the UV needs to be treated during the day. This is why on some days one finds that more spraying is done during the day. The UV indexes are monitored constantly for local areas. If the problem were simply cooling the earth, rockets would have been used to suspend particles in the high atmosphere. However the delicate nature of the Ozone Layer precludes this method of shielding. More on this in the answer to Question 6.

3. What other military programs are in place involving the spraying of barium and what are their purposes? Do you know and understand the chemical make up of the element?

A little knowledge will go a long way to understanding the need to use barium: Barium is often used in barium-nickel alloys for spark-plug electrodes and in vacuum tubes as a drying and oxygen-removing agent. Barium oxidizes in air, and it reacts vigorously with water to form the hydroxide, liberating hydrogen. In moist air it may spontaneously ignite. It burns in air to form the peroxide, which produces hydrogen peroxide when treated with water. Barium reacts with almost all of the nonmetals; all of its water-soluble and acid-soluble compounds are poisonous. Barium carbonate is used in glass, as a pottery glaze, and as a rat poison. Chrome yellow (barium chromate) is used as a paint pigment and in safety matches. The chlorate and nitrate are used in pyrotechnics to provide a green color. Barium oxide strongly absorbs carbon dioxide and water; it is used as a drying agent. Barium chloride is used in medicinal preparations and as a water softener. Barium sulfide phosphoresces after exposure to light; it is sometimes used as a paint pigment. Barite, the sulfate ore, has many industrial uses. Because barium sulfate is virtually insoluble in water and acids, it can be used to coat the alimentary tract to increase the contrast for X-ray photography without being absorbed by the body and poisoning the subject.

Note what Barium Oxide can do, absorb carbon dioxide - one of the chief gasses causing the green house effect. In my answer to Question 4 I will discuss the need to carry a current in the shield. I would like to point out that barium and aluminum work together to diffuse and strengthen an electrical charge. Somewhat like the current produced when acid is introduced between two dissimilar metals, such as iron and copper. There are military applications for everything you can think of, can not a butter knife be used as a weapon? The same concept holds true here.

4. What is the connection between ELF, EMF, VLF and Chemtrails spraying? Or is there one?

To understand the use of radio waves in the shield, one first understands how ozone is created. I cannot stress to you how dire the situation really is. The shield in place is only a partial solution; we must counter the depletion of the ozone- this means we must make ozone in the stratosphere. Ozone at ground levels does no good; indeed, ozone pollution at ground levels it what is used to determine the air quality. Higher levels of ground level ozone mean that air quality is bad. Pure ozone is an unstable, faintly bluish gas with a characteristic fresh, penetrating odor. The gas has a density of 2.144 grams per liter at standard temperature and pressure. Below its boiling point (-112?) ozone is a dark blue liquid; below its melting point (-193?) it is a blue-black crystalline solid. Ozone is triatomic oxygen, O3, and has a molecular weight of 47.9982 atomic mass units (amu). It is the most chemically active form of oxygen. It is formed in the ozone layer of the stratosphere by the action of solar ultraviolet light on oxygen. Although it is present in this layer only to an extent of about 10 parts per million, ozone is important because its formation prevents most ultraviolet and other high-energy radiation, which is harmful to life, from penetrating to the earth's surface. Ultraviolet light is absorbed when its strikes an ozone molecule; the molecule is split into atomic and diatomic oxygen: 03+ ultraviolet light ->0+02. Later, in the presence of a catalyst, the atomic and diatomic oxygen reunite to form ozone.

Ozone is also formed when an electric discharge passes through air; for example, it is formed by lightning and by some electric motors and generators. Ozone is produced commercially by passing dry air between two concentric-tube or plate electrodes connected to an alternating high voltage; this is called the silent electric discharge method. Since UV radiation is the problem, we can not use UV to produce more stratospheric ozone. Another method must be found. The shield acts like one plate of the electrode, when tickled with certain radio waves; it produces an opposite charge to stratospheric layers producing low atmosphere to stratosphere lightening. Creating ozone where it is needed.

5. If this is being done for the reasons you say, then why are other chemicals being used, why are different sprays being used?

Correcting the ecological damage that mankind has done has NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE. We are relatively new to this notion of terraforming on a real scale. That is what we are doing, Terraforming. We are trying to recreate the ideal life-sustaining conditions on a dying planet. We have never done this before, not intentionally. We are testing and trying different methods. Granted, if we do nothing 89% of all species will go extinct and humanity stands a high chance of not surviving through two more generations (or less). However the idea of 2 billion casualties death and permanent injury is not easy to swallow either.

Several attempts to improve the application of Shielding material and getting the most out of each application are taking place all the time. The combined resources of the nations of earth are not enough to allow constant spraying. Though we have achieved a high level of technology, there is a great surface area that needs to be covered nearly daily. Large sections of ocean are all but ignored; the remaining land masses are more than what can be covered effectively. The Shield would work best if it was a single thin layer without interruption, however due to the movement of air, weather patterns and the sad fact that we do not have the means to place ample amounts of material at the same level at the same time we are getting a small fraction of the effectiveness from our applications.

6. Why is spraying found before storm fronts? Is it to cause drought?

Before a storm there is a front, the front clears the air before a storm, pushing particulate matter ahead of it, leaving a space relatively clear of particulate matter. UV radiation levels rise in these areas, sometimes to dangerous levels. The shield must be maintained. Since barium absorbs water as well as carbon dioxide, precipitation has been affected. Other kinds of sprays are in development and testing which may reduce the affects on precipitation. As I stated above, this is a new technology we are working with, it is still in its infancy and there are some problems with it.

7. Why are UFO's and disappearing spray planes reported?

I do not know.

8. What about the reports of sickness after spraying?

There are several causatives for this. Some people are more sensitive to metals, whiles others are sensitive to the polymer chemicals. As stated in a previous email, people will get sick, and some will die. It is estimated that 2 billion worldwide will be affected to some degree by the spraying. Without spraying we have a 90% + chance of becoming extinct as a species with in the next 20 years.

9. What is the relationship between these spraying programs and One World Order?

Personally I am against the move for globalization, and yes, there is potential to use the Shield to speed up the process of globalization, there are several countries that are involved in this project: European Union Nations, USA and Russia are the largest contributors to the project, many of the allied nations and UN Members participate to one extent or another. The material (chemical spray as you may call it) comes from all of these nations.

To insure that the chemicals are not tampered with, they are mixed and sprayed over random nations. This means that chemicals produced in the USA has a good chance of being sprayed over Russia, England and the USA. This random spray of material means that no nation would be certain that their chemicals will be sprayed over a nation which they have issues with. Russian planes may be seen in USA skies, but so too will USA planes be seen in Russian skies. The canisters used are sealed in a third nation that has no idea where its canister is going. Participating nations have their observers at every station where canister loading is done. All of this to insure that the shield is not used as a weapon. To further insure that the shield is not used as a weapon, non participant nations are sprayed by participants who must spray in order to get enough material to maintain their nations shield. It is understood that not spraying is as much a military offense as shooting at them.

Without the shield, UV poisoning would cause great death. The threat is a common one, which has brought nations together in defense. The natural outcome of having a common enemy is to strengthen international ties - a step toward globalization.

10. Is the Spraying related to terrorism?

Yes and no. Recent terrorist activity can be traced to resistance groups who feel that we should not interfere with the natural order of things. As you know, there are many rumors out there as to what the Shield Program is. Some believe that this is a population reduction scheme, designed to kill off 'undesirable' peoples. While others hold that this is a mind control program. There are many theories which have sinister plots in them these are propagated by the resistance groups in an attempt to stop the shield regardless of the consequences.

The same delivery method could be used for biological and chemical warfare. It could also be used to inoculate large populations, the effectiveness of these uses are low, there are better methods that can be used. As a means to fight terrorism it is ineffectual, it is far easier to inoculate a population individually and would insure full inoculation against germ warfare.

11. Why all the secrecy?

Due to the severity of the situation it is mandatory to maintain public calm for as long as possible. The Earth is dying. Humanity is on the road to extinction - without the Shield mankind will die off with in 20 to 50 years. Most people alive today could live to see this extinction take place. This means that an announcement of the situation we face boils down to telling every man, woman and child on earth that they have no future, they are going to be killed. People would panic. There would be economic collapse, the production and movement of goods would collapse. Millions would die in all cities on earth, riots and violence would reduce civilian centers to rubble within days. Half of the population in dense metropolitan areas would try to leave the cities seeking 'safety' in the rural areas thinking that they would be safe. Those left behind in the cities would be at war with their neighbors, fighting for the remaining supplies. We would be telling the world that the world is coming to an end, and even with the Shield the chances of survival are small.

UV Summer and Global Warming are the immediate problems we face, there are far greater problems that are raising their ugly heads and will present new problems which in some cases have no viable solutions at this time. Ecologies are collapsing. The extinction rate of species is climbing. The amount of chemical pollutants in the water and soil are fast approaching and in many places has surpassed the earth's ability to heal itself. Crop failure is on the rise, even in the USA the returns on crops are smaller than they were 10 years ago. Even with the advances in genetically altered food crops, we are falling behind in our ability to produce enough to go around. Throughout the 20th century chemical fertilizers and pesticides were used to insure the best yields. Unfortunately many of these have contaminated ground water, killed beneficial insects along with the undesirable insects. These chemicals have gotten into the food chain and are affected other species besides mankind. It is only a matter of years before famine spreads like a cancer throughout the world.

Clean fresh water is in short supply, in many places well water is non-potable, containing the run off of pesticides, herbicides and fertilizers that have been used on crops and lawns. The water treatment facilities we have are unable to scrub out all of the toxins we have placed in the soil and water supply. Many of the toxins we find build up over time in the body, a long slow poisoning which has been making its presence felt in many areas of the world in the form of cancers, leukemia, sterility, birth defects, learning disorders, immune deficiency problems, etc. These are on the rise, any good researcher can find the records. For decades there was public outcry for the end to pollution. For every small step we made to clean up our production, millions where born who added to the problem. Yes, pollution is down per individual, however there are a couple more billion individuals producing pollution, thus the real numbers have an increase in over all pollution produced. Name a city that does not have problems with smog. You would be hard pressed to find one. Though smog controls on automobiles is higher than ever before, the number of autos on the road has increased thus the amount of smog producing pollutants is higher than ever before. All the clean air acts passed to curb individual factory and auto emissions did not address the production of more factories and more autos. Here an uneasy compromise was made between the need to maintain the economy against the need to maintain the ecology. The ecology lost since it was estimated to be a problem decades from now. The economy was a problem that would have dire effects today.

All of these factors combined have produced a scenario that in shorts boils down to the end of the world in 50 to 75 years. Even if we were to stop all emissions of pollution today, the inertia of past decades is enough to carry us over the brink in 100 years. However we cannot stop the production of pollution, to do so would mean shutting down every factory, every auto, every train, truck, ship and every household on the planet. Electricity is used to heat many homes in the Western World. The production of electricity produces fewer pollutants than heating all homes with wood or coal. Cutting our power generation abilities down to hydroelectric and fission reactors would leave a good chunk of the world in the dark. It is an impossible situation, our civilization is geared to the use of energy, take away our energy and civilization will collapse.

12. When will spraying stop?

There are several factors governing this:

A. Should the Ozone layer repair itself or our active attempts at repair reduces the amount of ground level UV to acceptable levels, spraying will stop. Present calculations place this between 2018 and 2024.

B. Should another method be found which is more effective, less costly or presents us with long-term solutions the Shield project would be replaced.

C. When the other problems become too big to make the maintenance of the shield worth the effort. The estimated date for this is 2025 to 2050.

13. Since Global Warming and UV summer are the problem, why is the Government backing down on its pollution controls?

Because they are ineffectual and will cause more economic problems than they would solve ecological problems. We surpassed the threshold of Earth's ability to absorb pollutants in the 1970's. Since that time the earth's population has nearly doubled. Emerging Industrial nations have come into being, more pollutants are produced now than back then, even with the stringent controls in place. The world is heading for economic depression, more emission controls would add to the economic problems. This translates into our being unable to do anything to start solving the problems.

Unfortunately our technologies require a strong economy to advance. We need that advancement, we need the trillions of dollars spent on research that a strong economy causes. Each corporation that produces a product has a product development program in place. Many of the past products invented came by accident through other unrelated products. There is a corporate drive to find methods to clean up the ecology, to reduce emissions, etc. These goals have been in place for decades, many of the large corporations are in the know when it comes to the ecological problems we face thus they are spending a great deal of money and time on finding solutions to the problems we face. Take away the economy and their research stops.

14. How are you related to the Chemtrails? How do you know that this is what is happening?

I would prefer to not state who I am or how I am related to all of this. To validate what I say, would require a bit of research on your behalf. I would recommend the following subjects to look up and study:

A. Population numbers for industrial nations and the tons of pollutants produced annually. Start with 1975 and work your way up.

B. Number of emerging Industrial Nations.

C. Number of cases of Skin cancers worldwide.

D. Crop Production vs. land area dedicated to crop production. Simple math will show that more acreage is needed to produce food per individual.

E. Automobile production from 1975 to present, estimated number of autos on the road and the average emissions of later model cars produced as compared the emissions of earlier model cars. A little math will show that though individual autos produce less emissions, the amount of emissions has risen due to the number of autos on the road. Remember that many autos are the road that were built before present emission control standards. 1980 is a cut off date - anything put on the road before then produces more pollutants than autos produced today. I would include research in the number of diesel autos produced, diesel has not been under the emissions control acts.

F. Severity of storms and the number of severe storms. Also include heat waves and droughts in that research, you will find that the numbers are staggering when compared to data from 1950, 1960 and 1970.

G. Research how naturally occurring Ozone is produced in the stratosphere. Compare to how it is produced industrially.

H. Research political reforms in the past 30 years, see which political institutions have changed, which nations have joined with whom. Concentrate more on these from 1982 onward. This would include the fall of the Wall and Iron Curtain.

I. Research polymers and how they are made, look at recent research done in biological polymers, medical polymers and filaments.

J. Check out spiders and spider web and the way spiders use their different webs and threads.

K. Research clean fresh water estimates as compared to the 1970's to today - world wide.

L. Research the following medical conditions per capita: Birth Defects Cancers Leukemia Immune deficiency diseases (excluding virus borne ID illnesses such as HIV) Occurrences of Learning disabilities, including dyslexia, ADD, and over all IQ tests Sterility for both male and females world wide Instances of glaucoma and cataracts.

M. Compare the history of UV indexes from 1970 to present. You may note that it was on sharp rise until 1997-99.

N. I would strongly recommend researching the reactions of different barium and aluminum compounds and how they are used. Research how long it takes for these metals in pure form to oxidize, how they combine with nitrates, carbon monoxide carbon dioxide and fluorocarbons and hydrocarbons and water vapor.

O. Research how mold propagates, the conditions it needs to grow and just how abundant it is in the atmosphere.

If you pursue these lines of inquiry, you will see the Shield Project as it really is.

15. Could you, "Deep Shield" - be described as a scientist or...?

Scientist is a good generic term. I do study and research in a scientific manner. I carry papers and degrees. My official capacity is in direct research of atmospheric issues in relation to pollutants. I also create models of potential long-term effects of green house gasses on the climate. Predict wind patterns, weather patterns, etc.

I have spent a good many years working on the project calculating the amount of material needed and creating models for dispersion patterns. I work other members who know the chemicals used and their interactions with the atmosphere, pollution and water vapor. I am part of a team which itself is part of a larger team, which is part of still a larger team. Government work with many chiefs and levels above the workers.

16. Are you prepared to comment upon your personal motives for sharing this information?

Not at this time, no.

17. Have you signed a non-disclosure or Secrets Act document that specifically relates to this project?


18. To your knowledge what categories of individuals officially know of the Project and are expected to remain silent? For example, my list of suspects includes government down to the county level, military especially air force, meteorologists, health specialists, mainstream media etc.

All those who know are expected to remain silent. All of those who suspect are either faced with trying to prove the virtually unprovable or are faced with good enough reasons to remain silent. I would assume that this situation is worldwide and could be considered one of the dangers of this project.

It was presented to me as a matter of national security. I can see the reasons why there is a desire to repress the information not that spraying is taking place but the hard little fact that we are facing a period of human history which might be the end of civilization.

19. Is the mainstream controlled media specifically ordered to avoid any mention of chemtrails? If so, have you anything further to add such as how was this done?

I would assume that the Media is controlled by its own desire to make money from what it reports. Since there is enough debunking out there, which says that contrails are part of the normal use of jet engines in the atmosphere, this would leave a reporter with very little to report unless there was solid evidence or pictures or something that could not be explained away.

You must know by now all the debunking methods that have been employed. The 'official' announcements are the media's main dish. The rest they regulate to the realm of the National Enquirer.

20. What government agency or agencies control this program? Is it under international control?

It is an international program. Many nations contribute in different ways. Measures have been taken to insure that what is sprayed over all countries is the same through triple blind deliveries; which include not knowing where a certain canister will end up, not knowing which aircraft a certain canister will be flown, and not even knowing who (in military craft) will be piloting a craft which has the purpose of spraying (Note: in today's world there is usually a mixed crew of different nationalities flying any one military aircraft on a Shield mission). I believe the Media caught Canadians in Iraq recently when Canada's official say on the matter was that Canada was not giving any support to the military might.

The fact remains that there were Canadian military with the USA forces. Some on aircraft carriers most being pilots. I think you can connect the dots.

21. How is the project funded - who pays for it? Have you any idea of the total direct operating cost? Also, does Canada make a funding contribution for the activities in our skies?

Most governments tend to over charge themselves to cover for their black operations (unofficial operations). That money comes out of the collection of taxes. So in effect the taxpayers of the world are paying for this project.

I would assume Canada does contribute funding to the Project. Canada is one of the top nations contributing time, material and funding to this project. Most of the Free World, the Western World, has taken on most of the burden of the costs.

22. Is the Shield Project the only such aerial spraying program?

Is it the only project designed to avert ecological disaster? Then yes. There are countless other projects that could be taking place which include spraying of some sort or another. Pesticides are usually sprayed. There has been great interest in weather control such as bringing rain to arid regions and taking the punch out of hurricanes and typhoons.

Weather control may be one of the final options left to us. Considering the amount of global warming that has taken place. There is a strong need to deflect a storm's fury, or to bring rain back to those regions which have been suffering drought.

What Mother Nature has done for millions of years automatically may now require mankind's hand to keep the schedule.

23. There are reports of four different chemtrail programs and other "code" names. Any comments?

It is possible that the Military does have a use for similar sprays. I cannot speak for the Military. However, my own personal research has come across these things as well. Are they possible? Yes. Are they practical? Only in the small scale say over the battlefield, or in the case of say the Iraq War, over Baghdad. Global application would be far too expensive and would require an obvious flight pattern of grids, circles and other heavy spray patterns.

24. Is all the spraying done using the "tank kits" described earlier or are the KC-135R and KC-10 types filled to the brim? Such aircraft have a load capacity of 200,000 pounds or more for refueling missions.

No. Several types of craft are used. Commercial jet airliners are used and they are not diverted from their flight paths to do so. How the canisters and the spraying is done on this kind of craft is unknown to me exactly. I do have my suspicions. I know best that which is my field; this is not to say that we do not talk around the water tank. So I know more than just my area and am able to think the matter through to its logical end.

I do know that even all the commercial jetliners in use are not enough to insure complete coverage all of the time. My computer models require knowing how much material needs to be sprayed. Certain conditions cause wide areas to suddenly (over hours) open up in the Shield. Then and only then is mass spraying done - and would be done with the most logical craft, a tanker.

Why not spray more from individual jetliners? That is one of the problems. Jetliners do not carry much material (100 to 500 gallons) because the material has to be spread out thinly.

Look at the kinds of material being used, aluminum, barium, titanium, etc. Most are highly reflective; in some instances the material is an absorber of gasses. In the case of reflection the desire is to reflect X amount of heat and X amount of UV while still maintaining acceptable (nominal) levels of UV and heat reaching the planet's surface.

Life requires a certain amount of both UV and Heat too much will kill - so will too little. The apparent amount looks like a lot more than what is actually being sprayed per volume of air it is covering. Most of the whitening of the sky is not the material per se, but the collection of water vapor, which forms into suspended ice crystals. The introduction of the material causes the water vapor to collect like rain collects on individual particles of dust.

Too much material would cause a "mud fall" of sorts where the naturally occurring water vapor would precipitate carrying the material with it.

Spraying is done in such away as to "layer" the material through a volume that will allow an acceptable level of UV and heat through along with all the other wavelengths of light. Photosynthesis is the foundation of life on our planet.

Only when all the material is removed in a local area does it require a massive spray, this is usually in the front of a weather system, or after a heavy period of precipitation. Then a tanker is flown, fully loaded.

25. Is there any truth in the story that some of the spraying is done by jetliners with modifications in the "honey" or waste compartment?

The technology used for spraying is rather simple. It requires at least two tanks under pressure, each carries half of the mixture which is sprayed at the same time forming a complete compound which is designed to be lightweight (so as to be suspended for longer periods of time).

There have been attempts to incorporate the materials in jet fuel, however the material binds with unburned jet fuel, water vapor, etc and does not have the added buoyancy of the polymer threads. The end result is a spray that is less than half as effective and is more dangerous since it can lead to sulfates, acids and other mixtures, which are more lethal than the spray.

It is very possible that the "honey" compartment is used. The amount of material needed is small compared to the payload of any given commercial airliner.

However, there is a good deal of fuel tank that is not used. Airliners only fuel their craft for the journey ahead of them; they rarely top off the tank. This has become public knowledge in light of 9-11. It was this small fact that caused the terrorists to pick pan-continental flights so they would have a plane fully loaded.

The majority of flights are short range and do not require the full capacity of an airliners fuel tanks. Any adaptations needed could easily be done during routine maintenance, and could be easily explained away as being a modification for safety and-or pollution controls.

This last is my own theory.

We can assume that any means possible to deliver the material is tried. Independent nations may favor one way of doing so over another.

26. Where are the official sources that state that a certain number of people (worldwide?) will sicken and possibly die as a result of the spraying? In other words, what *internal* studies have been done on the health issues and who carried them out?

WHO (World Health Organization) carried out most of the studies. Other nations have carried their own research on the matter. Some have said the ill effects will be minimal - along the lines of a million or so, while others have found the numbers to be far higher - 3 to 4 billion.

Some of the organizations include the CDC and independent labs. We are dealing with a situation where the amount of contamination is estimated to be far higher than what would normally take place but is far lower than historical instances of industrial contamination. This is important to note, the only real history we have with barium/aluminum/titanium etc. contamination is through factory workers, miners, etc, who receive a far greater dosage of the material than what is to be experienced by the populace under the Shield.

The amount of spray is very small compared to the volume of the space that is covered. Most of the harmful chemicals that are used are being dissipated over vast areas. Near coastal regions the fall out is not reaching land at all, but is being carried out to the oceans. The addition of polymers to make the material remain suspended in the air longer means that less material is being used.

Today the material used and its application is nothing like in the early days when it was sprayed in greater quantities and settling far faster to be inhaled by all.

The accepted Estimated Casualties (from WHO) is 2 billion over the course of 6 decades. The majority will be either the elderly, or those who are prone to respiratory problems. These numbers are based on the current estimates of the general health of the population, the average age and the occurrence of respiratory problems as a health issue. All are estimates since there are no solid numbers to work with.

27. Could you summarize the root causes of the initial destruction of the atmosphere that requires this "repair" work? Did it perhaps result in part from fluorides released/produced by the nuclear weapons programs?

In a word - Industry. Most fail to understand that the products we use, wear and live with are made in a manner that dumps CFC's and green houses gasses into the atmosphere. There is no one single causative in this issue. It goes way back to the Industrial Revolution and the use of coal to power steam engines. Since that time we have consumed greater and greater energy resources, dumping the waste where ever we wanted.

Up until very recently refrigeration was a big contributor, imagine all those hundreds of millions of households that owned and operated freon cooled refrigerators from 1940 to 1970. Not just one refrigerator per household, but over the course of time often multiple freon units. This doesn't include the various air conditioner systems or industrial refrigeration systems.

For a long period when the refrigerator or air conditioner unit was replaced, the old one was taken to the dump and thrown into the heap - the freon was free to escape and make its way up into the stratosphere to eat away at the ozone layer.

You can add to that list. Think of all the cars that had air conditioners, think of all those hair spray cans with their propellant gasses - the amount of those alone were enough to do great damage.

Styrofoam is another industry and product that has contributed to the problem. In the scheme of things atomic energy has contributed little compared to the consumer goods that have been manufactured during the past century.

Think of all the cars on the road today. In the late 1970's smog controls started getting stronger. Think of all the pre-1978 cars on the road - they are still producing a good many chemicals that leech into every corner of the globe.

10-16-2008, 12:53 AM
Nice article! It makes sense. Im just so sick (literally) of daddy govt not telling me the truth because they cant trust us. Its ******** :mad3:

Humble Janitor
10-16-2008, 04:56 AM
I think it's pathetic that chemtrails exist at all and they must be stopped.

10-16-2008, 05:02 AM
I noticed here in southern california, the trails were all over the skies today!!

10-16-2008, 05:25 AM
I think it's pathetic that chemtrails exist at all and they must be stopped.
I think it's pathetic that everybody that sees vapor trails and condensation trails thinks it's chemicals! Sorry, just tired of hearing chem trails this and chem trails that.

10-16-2008, 07:16 PM
I noticed here in southern california, the trails were all over the skies today!!

Yes they were! Disgusting. :mad3:

10-21-2008, 12:56 PM
just to say -I have noticed lot of high altitude trails here in eastern england in the last couple of weeks - mind you I am not always walking around with my head looking at the sky and its not always clear skies...!

10-21-2008, 01:00 PM
I think it's pathetic that everybody that sees vapor trails and condensation trails thinks it's chemicals! Sorry, just tired of hearing chem trails this and chem trails that.

I believe through my very basic research that normal condenstation trails dissappear over several minutes...so called 'chem-trails' last and spread out and maintain their size for much much longer periods of time - revealing that 'chem-trails' must be more dense than condensation and made up of other material.

I was interested to hear James Casbolt say that some 'trails exist to suppress oxygen in the the atmosphere - which in turn slows down brain functions amongst other stuff I am sure. If this is true.....!

10-21-2008, 01:09 PM
I think it's pathetic that everybody that sees vapor trails and condensation trails thinks it's chemicals! Sorry, just tired of hearing chem trails this and chem trails that.

Do a little research to allay your tiredness.

10-21-2008, 05:59 PM
If he is telling the truth as HE KNOWS it then this is just a cover story.

I bet the WHO estimates of 3-5 BILLION "affected" is the ral reason. That is 50% of the worlds population REDUCED.


Hidden in plane sight....

10-21-2008, 11:18 PM
Heavy Heavy spraying here in Durham North Carolina the worst since last year. An entire black cloud with hundreds of lines from as far west to as far east as i could see. My asthma is acting up and my lymph nodes are swollen. God help us!!!!

10-22-2008, 01:49 AM
IF YOU WANT GO TO : www.owsweather.com/contrailreport.html

10-24-2008, 11:22 PM
Waterhawk :
I want to build a positive orgone device ...
Heeeelp !

10-26-2008, 04:21 AM
I think it's pathetic that everybody that sees vapor trails and condensation trails thinks it's chemicals! Sorry, just tired of hearing chem trails this and chem trails that.

Contrails are formed 30,000 ft +, not ascending from the airports through the clouds. See the difference, look at these videos:

Contrail vs. Chemtrail

Go to 2:30 min in the video.

10-26-2008, 08:25 AM
Contrails are formed 30,000 ft +, not ascending from the airports through the clouds. See the difference, look at these videos:

Contrail vs. Chemtrail

Go to 2:30 min in the video.

Other good sites for learning about chemtrails and what they will do to your health are:


Kick at the Darkness until it bleeds daylight...Bruce Cockburn

10-28-2008, 04:25 PM
I live in Miami.
At around 7:45am. I went to my babysitter's house and I look above me and see a bunch of chemtrails.

10-28-2008, 07:36 PM
10/28/08 Cold front moving in to Durham North Carolina from the chemtrail/weather/Mk/modification. Its all part of the conditioning. People born today will know no other site besides what we call chemtrails and think they are contrails and it will be accepted. I can still remember what the sky looked like 15 to 20 years ago and it was nothing like this. Its called the "Great Work" and thier agenda spands generations.

10-29-2008, 09:05 PM
edit sorry im taking all my stuff down that was personal
and this was one of my fav threads

10-30-2008, 02:00 AM
:nono: Thanks for the posted photos!
Yes, these are very good examples of patterns showing up across the country. After the initial spraying has dissipated, the residue particles leave patterns, that take on a patched quilt design-blanketing the areas sky. gio

10-30-2008, 06:58 AM
edit sorry im taking all my stuff down that was personal

10-30-2008, 06:22 PM
That's neat stuff! It is getting quite baltant isn't it.

Note; If you have not seen this info yet on this forum?
There's more comprehensive info on this matter with documents and photos-
GO to the 'What Does it Mean'- thread column-
Scroll down to-'Owning the Weather' by Antaletriangle thread
Scroll down to the Zorgon's post = jackpot!

10-30-2008, 10:52 PM
They sprayed heavy for Obamas appearance here in Raleigh NC Oct 29th. A heavy concentrated area that spread over the city. Scalar warfare?

Good luck

10-30-2008, 11:01 PM
noticed lots here in the last three weeks. Could some 'spraying' be likked to the technology to defend the earth against massive natural events?

11-03-2008, 02:59 AM
I, for one, am gratified to see so many who are aware of and know how our skies are sprayed each day. The truth of "why" eludes us, but suffice it to say, since the chemtrails have barium and aluminum in them, which has been proven through analysis of air, "spider webs" and water, it is a prescription for killing our immune systems at the very least, with the distinct possibility of also having stealth pathogens in there with the metals. These can produce all types of seemingly unrelated and serious health problems. Google stealth pathogens and have a read. Its killing plants, animals, and insects. And eventually us. There is no reason good enough to rationalize this as something positive.

Gradually, more and more people are seeing them for what they are. This is a good thing! Keep it up folks!! Show people the sky and tell them to research on their own.


Connecting with Sauce
11-03-2008, 01:32 PM
Gradually, more and more people are seeing them for what they are. This is a good thing! Keep it up folks!! Show people the sky and tell them to research on their own.

For this reason I LOVE CHEM TRAILS ;)


Starting young and trying to wake up children to their evil ways too... Gotta love their tactics... It WILL back fire...

Red Pill Reaction
11-03-2008, 02:31 PM
I have been logging and taking photos of chemtrails in my area of SRQ Florida since January of 2008.

Most people I speak with are unaware of the visual changes taking place in our skies. Many think that it's all "normal". And of course the EPA and the Airforce have denied for years that there is anything out of the ordinary going on. They claim that the horizon to horizon, broadening lines in the sky are the result of normal jet engine combustion, the condensation of water vapor at just the right temperature and just the right humidity.

So, when I talk with people about chemtrails, I try to point out some of the unique characteristics and anomalies I have noticed:

1. Chemtrail jets do not correspond to live radar tracking of passenger jet aircraft. I have confirmed this many times by observing chemtrails being laid down, then immediately going to my computer to check what flights are in the local airspace: http://flightaware.com/live/airport_status_bigmap.rvt?ident=KSRQ&airport=KSRQ&key=2ba6be25d0fcc6b55efb28fc834f02a4af15ef92.

2. Chemtrails are observed on some days, but not every day. On days they are observed, you can sometimes see them in the same sky and approximate altitude as jets with either short contrails, or no contrails at all.

3. Chemtrails can appear to start-stop-start (as if switching tanks)

4. Chemtrails are often laid down in multiple, relatively tight parallel flight patterns, sometimes minutes apart, with criss-crossing flights following.

5. Once the chemtrails laid down, they tend to widen out and descend in altitude, often joining with other chemtrails to form a kind of white, milky cast in an otherwise clear blue sky. Somtimes they will form into horse-tail cirrus cloud shapes, even in the middle of the summer months. Both of these are not historically normal skies for Florida in summertime by my reckoning.

6. When there has been chemtrail activity, another unique cloud appearance is sometimes seen: A kind of mottled, fish-scale pattern that looks like wave interference patterns. Some people relate this to some kind of high-energy input (from HAARP, for example)

These observations contradict the notion that this is normal activity and point instead to a massive, hugely expensive, secret operation taking place in plain sight.

What do we know about the possible purposes?

Humble Janitor
11-03-2008, 11:16 PM
Just as I suspected regarding chemtrails. I saw some while driving around yesterday.

11-03-2008, 11:53 PM
My sister and I went to visit our uncle yesterday, on a Sunday. The weather was cool, but very nice. I looked up in the sky and they were lathering the skies with chemtrails. Don't know what they were up to yesterday, but they filled the air with all sorts of crud.

Professor Nordheim
11-04-2008, 12:45 AM
For this reason I LOVE CHEM TRAILS ;)


Starting young and trying to wake up children to their evil ways too... Gotta love their tactics... It WILL back fire...

Over The Hedge also contains chemtrails throughout the movie, except the last 20 minutes or so when the animated sky is covered with clouds.


And what is this "De-Pelter Turbo" device, creating a laser powerful enough to go through outer space (destroying a satellite) and can be seen from outside the Milky Way Galaxy? HAARP???

CHEMTRAILS in O2 TV advertisement (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DtB0IzTi3Dw)

11-04-2008, 01:26 AM
With all due respect, the whistleblower answers posted earlier in this thread are a fairy tale. Consider this disinformation at a clever level. "Its for your own good"? Not for 2 billion people and that's a huge number for collateral damage. If a credible public figure gave us the truth, and let us know what had to be done, with simple protections, like nano masks, and dates of heavy spraying, we could handle this. I don't believe that people are that hysterical. When you make it secret then you make it something evil. Also, there have been plenty of "other" substances in chemtrails, from dessicated blood cells, stealth pathogens, molds and more. This is not being used to halt global warming. We, the people, are not that stupid.

Question these kinds of explanations.

11-04-2008, 01:42 AM
Could some 'spraying' be likked to the technology to defend the earth against massive natural events?

The Sun is going through changes... the radiation output is different in many ways... the intent is to put metal particles into the upper atmosphere to block some of the harmful radiation.

They do NOT know if it will work... its never been necessary to do before.

Scalar warfare?

Scalar Warfare is beam weapons... has nothing to do with Chemtrails :tongue2:

11-04-2008, 01:46 AM
Also, there have been plenty of "other" substances in chemtrails, from dessicated blood cells, stealth pathogens, molds and more. This is not being used to halt global warming. We, the people, are not that stupid.

Well perhaps 'we the people' could point me to physical evidence of all these other substances in these chemtrails from a reliable source? Just listing them because some website says so is not enough...

11-04-2008, 02:08 AM
I think it's pathetic that everybody that sees vapor trails and condensation trails thinks it's chemicals! Sorry, just tired of hearing chem trails this and chem trails that.

Well before you run away all upset or anything...

Explain this one...


And This one...


And This one...


Now normal contrails are created from the vortex created from the wing tips...

Here is a perfect example...


OR they are condensation trails from the engines... like THIS one...


Okay so much for where NORMAl contrails come from...

Now look at this....


Now look closely at the source of the 'contrails'

Here is a closeup


Lets have a look at the News...

Should Government Aircraft Spray Chemicals on Residential Areas?

Note to the government: When you unilaterally send aircraft to spray unfamiliar chemicals over residential areas, the public will get very worried.

Environmental activists will pick through mounds of official documents in an attempt to make sense of what you are doing: Will it affect our health?

Since material safety data sheets can make even the most benign molecules sound terrifically dangerous, vigilant citizens will express their concern about rather innocuous substances -- damaging their credibility with the scientists who should listen to their concerns -- and making it hard to sort out any real threats. In some cases, the wording of those documents is so alarming that it could give activists reason to believe that the spraying is part of a mind control program.

Excerpt from LBAMspray.com:

Check this MSDS from Dupont one of the 3 ingredients listed includes "1,2-BENZISOTHIAZOLIN-3-ONE" which is in LBAM-F. See Page 2 under "Potential Health Effects" "SIGNS AND SYMPTOMS EFFECTS OF ACUTE OVEREXPOSURE: High oral doses can cause apathy (lack of feeling or emotion)."

Even if you have the best intentions, to eradicate a tiny moth that could destroy dozens of fruit crops, be prepared to explain your plans, and seek the approval of the public, before getting started with such a controversial program.


So there you have at least ONE example documented with a list of chemicals...

Anyone from California feeling a little nauseous?



pineal-pilot-in merkabah
11-04-2008, 02:14 AM
I think it's pathetic that everybody that sees vapor trails and condensation trails thinks it's chemicals! Sorry, just tired of hearing chem trails this and chem trails that.go away moron
:lightsabre: im tired of disinfo f**kwits.. im getting tired of the idiots on this forum.. its turning into a joke.. wake up or F**K OFF. dont need d**ks like you on here

11-04-2008, 02:17 AM
Have a look up in the sky... maybe you will spot one of these?

U.S. Air Force photo by Staff Sgt. Jacob N. Bailey

If you wake up early in the morning and happen to spot this aircraft flying over leaving a barely visible trail... do not worry its not "Chemtrails"... it is merely DIBROM, a pesticide and this single aircraft can cover 60,000 acres per day. Might be a good idea to cover the BBQ though.

U.S. Air Force photo by Tech. Sgt. Shawn David McCowan

The "Business End"....

U.S. Air Force photo by Master Sgt. Bryan Ripple

But don't worry folkes... its not CHEMTRAILS and its not harmful... its only Dibrom, a pesticide approved by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency

so no worries... (but then they don't issue YOU the mask :tongue2:)

U.S. Air Force photo by 1st Lt. James Bressendorff

11-04-2008, 02:21 AM
And then my favorite...

Pure disinfo at its finest....:naughty: No CHEMTRAILS here folkes...everything is normal... just ballast testing... move along now nothing to see...




11-04-2008, 02:44 AM
Try this link and the links in the article:


You might try Google and look up chemtrails stealth pathogens.

Like I said, all it takes is informed consent, nano masks and warnings. You might also take a look at some of the posts on Chemtrail Tracking Yahoo groups. Read Carnicorn, Educate Yourself, Barium Blues. The research is out there. Try Arizona and Oregon Skywatch.

Does it matter that it is killing our crops too? I am quite sure everyone wants to continue being able to eat. Our water is already polluted by all this stuff.

This is a serious situation and it goes on day and night, and goes back more than a decade.

11-04-2008, 04:26 AM
edit sorry im taking all my stuff down that was personal

11-04-2008, 04:35 AM
If you believe in "chemtrails as opposed to "contrails" I suspect it's because you have seen them for yourself and can differentiate between previously observed contrails in the sky, over years of comparison.

The fact that no government has officially announced the beneficial aspect of chemtrails (e.g. we are reflecting excess solar radiation to combat global warming for you), leads me to believe that there is no benefit (for us), as valuable political gain would surely have been taken advantage of long before the project actually "took off".

Seeing also the number of members concerned with this phenomena, I propose (or second if someone has already proposed) that..............

Bill & Kerry attempt to secure an interview with a relevant source on this subject. Please


Peace through perseverance.

11-04-2008, 07:03 AM
go away moron
:lightsabre: im tired of disinfo f**kwits.. im getting tired of the idiots on this forum.. its turning into a joke.. wake up or F**K OFF. dont need d**ks like you on here

Obviously PINEAL your pineal is not being affected by the Chemtrails except for your crude language! Exit stage upper right!!
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Anything that is not impossible, is mandatory!!...Michio Kaku

11-04-2008, 07:59 PM
Originally Posted by Magamud
Scalar warfare?

Scalar Warfare is beam weapons... has nothing to do with Chemtrails

Scalar warfare

Uses in physics
In physics, scalar fields can be used to ascribe forces (which are usually vector fields) to a more general scalar field, the gradient of which describes the force.

Potential fields, such as the Newtonian gravitational potential field for gravitation, or the electric potential in electrostatics, are scalar fields which describes the more familiar forces.
A temperature, humidity or pressure field, such as those used in meteorology. Note that when modeling weather on a global basis, the surface of the Earth is not flat, and thus the general language of curvature in differential geometry plays a role. Dopplerized weather radar generates a projection of a vector field onto a scalar field.

Nah chemtrails would have nothing to involve weather modification or energy output.:tongue2:

11-06-2008, 04:01 PM
edit sorry im taking all my stuff down that was personal

11-06-2008, 04:09 PM

11-06-2008, 04:23 PM
I think it's pathetic that everybody that sees vapor trails and condensation trails thinks it's chemicals! Sorry, just tired of hearing chem trails this and chem trails that.

You may bury your head in the sand if you like. With luck, folks who do that leave their smarter end exposed. I have been photographing chemtrails and the spray jets for over five years. Anyone who can't tell the difference between a contrail and chemical spraying just doesn't want to.

There are satellite photos online at sites such as Aerosol Crimes (http://www.carnicom.com/) and WeatherWars (http://weatherwars.info/) that show entire geographic areas checkerboarded with chemtrails.

I do NOT know what's in these chemtrails, though I've read lots of allegations. I have noticed a definite correlation between heavy spraying and illness. My wife is disabled, and she's always sick when they're spraying.

11-06-2008, 08:01 PM
yah know I just wanna blab something out...

after that event on the 29th seeing all those things in the sky
the next day I was sick as a dog *I think it was the next day I know it was the day before my trip I couldn't pack cause my head hurt me so bad..*
even on my trip to Mass. I was getting headaches they would come out of no where.. any ways since then my headaches have gotten worse now im writing down each time I get one im getting them like every 3 hours to the point I have to go into a dark room and just wait till it ends.. im taking aspirins it helps but if this continues for the next few days im gunna have to go see a Dr.
yesterday my daughter told me 5 kids from her bus stop were out sick
she told me she witnessed a kid in her class get sick and have a bloody nose he went home

she also said there more kids out in her class from being sick she was also sick with a sore throat but didn't last it wasn't major..

now is this all in our heads?
is it all a kawinky dinky?
I don't know.. people I have shown the photos too said its just regular contrails and it was Nothing get over it..
I told them that day on the 29th was the only day in 10 years I have ever seen the skies like that
they don't care...

I honestly don't know what to think any more
I mean I know what I seen and it wasn't normal!!!


Greeting's MAPP,
I don't know, if you caught the ows warning page (the day after you posted the S. FLA. rador), but the only area in Florida that had an alert that day was?? The Miami, Dade County area! There was a tiny PINK tip indicated on your area. I thought it was strange, that the alert was only there? I posted it for you, but it expired the next day. You were correct with your observations and being alarmed. gio

11-07-2008, 05:38 AM
edit sorry im taking all my stuff down that was personal

11-07-2008, 08:18 PM

But don't worry folkes... its not CHEMTRAILS and its not harmful... its only Dibrom, a pesticide approved by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency

so no worries... (but then they don't issue YOU the mask :tongue2:)

Actually I'm EXTREMELY worried about pesticides, they tend to cause lots of lovely cancers, birth defects, hormone disruption etc...here's a little info on Dibrom:


11-13-2008, 05:26 PM
edit sorry im taking all my stuff down that was personal

11-13-2008, 05:34 PM

Thank you for the wonderful pictures ZARGON!

My brother-in-law is a pilot (small aircraft) and thinks its condensation etc...etc..
I have been very aware of this death spray and will gladly send him these pics.

Thank you :thumb_yello:

11-13-2008, 06:16 PM
Some observations here in northern lower michigan , every week for at least 1 day during the week there spraying heavy , from detroit to the northern tip of lower michigan .

Q. If it's for global warming or UV protection why are they spraying so low, why not in the upper atmosphere and if there doing an experiment why all over and not just one area.?

Q. Why are they spraying so low this stuff speading and coming to the ground, look at your windshield on your vehicle and wipe your finger, it's a dark gray and looks like weathered aluminum. Do the test one day after it rains and it's dry out, when it is raining you get this glare off your windshield that won't come off.

Q. I've heard more people in the past few years say they have never been as sick with the flu like they were this time, I sneeze every night while sleeping with this tear drop mucas blowing out from the back of my sinuses.

Q. Whay are all the bees dying and bats too? Does it have anything to do with this stuff? Einstein said no bees and 4 years and were all done !

Q. If it's for global warming why are they just spraying the southern tip of austrailia where all the people are? And if it's for our best interest why not then tell us? Hey thats an idea! Gee what a concept!

There are some sites with 10,000 blogs on this ****, Go to Chemtrails911, there's a place there to print up flyers and keep spreading them around, get them to the soccer moms and parents who have there kids playing outside sports. There is no group of people more vigilant than these parents especailly when it's effecting all of our kids, our future.

Get some of these flyers to our Gold Star Mothers here in the U.S. , They have 14,000 gals who work in Washington D.C. and have a direct influence on our congress, get those gals pushing for answers there a powerful force to be dealt with.Wake up the Amvets, American Legion, and VFW. Our vets know about spraying , can you say agent orange!

I know one thing for sure that can't be disputed , Whatever goes up will come down , the question is how much of it is in your lungs? Spread the Word, it's our planet too !

11-13-2008, 08:51 PM
edit sorry im taking all my stuff down that was personal

11-26-2008, 12:43 AM
edited for update

11-26-2008, 03:10 AM
Excellent site with lots of pictures, etc.



11-26-2008, 04:12 AM
Man this site was one of my favorite sites too, its acurate as hell. Seems like every site is asking for money now.
Guess I will just look up to get my own forecast.

Greetig's to all,
Note:Access to this information is being restricted through only a premium subscription.

Chemtrail alert systems at OWSweather.com relies on a number of sources for the information. We provide the maps and easier viewing from information we receive. We now are offering for a low price, a 7-day alert map forecast of trails drifting over, or being put down based on long term information. We can get information out passed 7 days, however we rather keep it at 7 days.

At this time only the USA, Canada, and Mexico are in this system.

For those interested;


11-26-2008, 12:04 PM
This site is probably the one of the BEST with so many links and evidence. Once you show this to loved ones there is no DENIAL. Official reports, evidence, pictures, whistle blowers, you name it!!
Heaps of other information to.

11-29-2008, 08:58 PM
Greeting's Avalonian's,
The site operator is back, and posting free and new update alerts!!!!

12-10-2008, 12:30 AM
Greeting's Avalonian's

This report pulled drudgereport.com/ Tuesday 12/9/08

SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA - December 8, 2008 (OWSweather.com) Rare 50 year Arctic Blast Sets Sights On Southern California.

by Joshua Young
Monday, December 8, 2008

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