September 30th - Goodbye

[arcora]

October 1st, this board is switching to a subscription model. I had intended to subscribe, but now I have made the decision to leave on September 30th.

I will share my reasons for those who care.

It isn't the money. It is the way this forum is evolving. These are my opinions on my observations - take them for what they're worth to you.

This started out as a GREAT idea. Build a forum where users could interact with 'whistleblowers', discuss topics of mutual interest, plan for the creation of communities etc.

Well, the whistleblowers are gone. The only ones left are Michael St. Clair and Duncan O'Finioan. Michael isn't exactly a whistleblower - he's an astrologer who has made a nice living warning the wealthy about world events. He's not really privy to any inside information - he's interpreting planetary alignments.

Duncan O'Finioan is a whistleblower. Although his story is heartwrenching, it is severely limited in scope. Although interesting, it doesn't give us a glimpse into the big picture. Best of luck to you Duncan.

The other whistleblowers were run off. Henry Deacon in particular. Henry was the real deal. Since his posts have been removed, I will tell you the reason he left. His identity was revealed here. It wasn't in an obvious manner as in "Henry Deacon's real name is XXXX XXXXX". It was made to be imminently discoverable. I discovered it and tried to warn the Admin but no action was taken. I'm no great investigator. If I could find it, certainly any agency curious about him now knows exactly who "Henry Deacon" was.

This is the lack of protection Henry was speaking of. He was brought here with the promise of protection of the founders and they didn't fulfill their responsibility. I prefer to give the founders the benefit of the doubt and believe that they were too busy or victims of a communication breakdown. Nonetheless, the value of this forum dropped significantly with the departures of Henry Deacon and John Lear.

The members here are good people. Most of you are well intentioned, loving, intelligent and lost. Lost isn't a bad thing. It is a state of being. It just is.

There are so many people running around here who believe that sending love out into the cosmos is the cure for every problem and the answer to every question. That's OK for you to believe that if you want. The problem is that your numbers are growing. You all are having such an impact on the other members that it is spreading. It is becoming like a Hari Krishna convention here.

You can celebrate that if you like. But just as the perfect slave is the one who thinks he is free, the best way to keep someone lost is to make them believe that they know where they are.

We are all confused about what is happening and we're all trying to find answers. Over the past 6,000 years of recorded human history there have been lots of sects that popped up professing that love is the answer. Unfortunately they have all failed. The Truth is not that simple.

Listening to what this channeler has to say, what that phsycic saw in a vision, or what some contactee claims to know may be worthwhile. But, like this forum, the real truths are mixed in with huge helpings of lies. So many here spout off new-age wisdom and platitudes in the same manner as fundamentalist Christians repeat a few bible verses. A phrase here, a thought there. As though all the wisdom of mankind could be found in that utterance. Beware.

Don't believe things just because you want to believe them. Believe only those things that are True. This is more difficult than it seems because we are our own greatest deceivers. Remember, there are a lot of Truths that we don't like.

The fear on this board is palatable. It is a peculiar type of fear though. I don't see people afraid for their lives - I see a lot of people who are deathly afraid of ideas that contradict their own neatly kept beliefs. The first step to learning is admitting that you don't know.

My advice? Don't be deceived. Don't conform. Find wisdom and share it. Don't be afraid of different ideas - after all, it is that open mind that brought you to the state that you are in. Don't close it now when you are so close to the finish. If you truly want to ascend, keep searching. You may be close but you are not there yet. Find some ideas that you don't like and explore them with your mind open.

We are facing the most profound questions and problems mankind has encountered in the last 26,000 years. Don't mistake wisdom for Truth.

My primary reason for leaving is this dynamic which is manifesting in front of my eyes. This does frighten me - I worry that with enough repetition I'll be like the subject in the video. After all, I am only human.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qlJqR4GmKw

For the record, I am neither in service to myself or to others. (Yes, there is a third option.) I am in service to myself second. If I can help others along the way - I will do so. I would stay and try to help you all but you don't really want my help and I am running out of time.

I came here to find the answer to one succinct question. I did not get a direct answer - but I did find some clues to continue in my quest. I also discovered two more questions that I need answered. Thank you all for that.

[rinauldi]

Well stated. This mirrors my own thoughts very well, and I doubt I could have expressed them better.

I wish you well in your Journey.

[clarkkent]

the boards have definitely changed in tone with the absence of witnesses and less bill and kerry involvement.

i created a thread for people not necessarily moving to the mountains or radiant zones. i believe most people wont be capable of going to the few places deemed survivable.

im not a proponent of wishing for love is a fix all. i just wanted people to be able to discuss the reality of not moving to ecuador or buying a years worth of food and survival gear.

i DID notice things on the board were mostly survival based or "xyz is IMMINENT" -look many things are possible, thats why i question some contactees or whistleblowers whos main message is the same as the evening news--"xyz can kill you" "you might die...if.."

i have a hard time accepting that the most enlightened beings in the universe's main point is that we are for the most part doomed, well thanks i didnt need aliens to tell me humans are out of balance and self destructive as a species.

i found by creating that thread there were a lot of people who felt similiar.
henry deacon's quotes seem to back up what i feel is right. ---focusing on the absolute worst case scenarios just increases their likely hood, i gather he is a pretty intelligent scientist and he seemed to think earth had many many timelines/possibilites as most quantum scientists believe.

if the observer conscioussness has that great an effect on reality, then what you EXPECT to see is generally what happens, just like when scientists used the particle/wave experiment and found that the observer changed the phenomena based on what the observer expected.

80% of the people on the boards expect cataclysmic earth changes as an absolute fact, when the reality is your right we DONT know, so theres no reason to will that timeline into existance.

and IF it does happen, and im not in a radiant zone, then that is what was supposed to happen to most of us, the elite have this same fear/survival based conscioussness and their own "radiant" zones underground, has anyone brought up, that if you exist in this fear based mode you might have to come back in this 3D world a bunch more times to learn to get beyond that? and that the only reason 1% of the planets population is ruled so effectively is exactly because they can count on people to be ruled by fear/survival.

you take their power away the minute they cant dictate your life by fear.
your conscioussness is more important than your 3D vehicle. this is not to say that i dont value others lives and want to treat all life with respect and balance and harmony, im just talking about taking off the yoke of fear that has enslaved us so long.

-kyle

[JohnWdoe]

I find myself flip flopping on subjects simply because i don't want to offend anyone within Ascension of Metaphysical concepts - which to me is not right.

You are absolutely true about mixing up wisdom and truth for i have found the exact same concepts and took a step back. I was meditating and sending the up most good vibes as far and wide possible but to no avail. When i see someone in a particular frame of mind i can either understand it from my personal experience OR learn about it. Learning to me is a Philosophy and to this day i think all you Ascension seekers should seek Philosophy to nourish that desire.

An addiction has blossomed and it speaks Spirituality before all else.

[Colin]

***Listen Up Guys***

As far as I'm aware the forum will not be going subscription only on 1st October! :original:

I have no idea where this came from, but will check with Bill as soon as he is available

[JohnWdoe]

To quote Kyle'

"your conscioussness (consciousness) is more important than your 3D vehicle.

Now this is honestly nothing more then new age conformity which is scary... Your body is in exact equal measurement to that of the mind, the mind cannot exist without your body and i think you need to understand that.

Your body is more then a vehicle or a god awful "container" (which i might add is used to teach disconnection from Synaptical thought leaving you feeling not alive and at the mercy of suicide or no fear of death) It is an absolutely scary thought when Astral projection and oneness can disconnect man from reality and make him believe his mind is more worthy then his body as you so stated above... How many Black magicians have used this concept of Reincarnation to manipulate people into dying and never fighting back? because in the end your not willing to strike the swine where he stands.

Philosophy i urge, as always.

[Frank Samuel]

Arcora as I am sad to see you leave the forum, I am unsure that your reasons are valid.While Whistle blowers testimony are important we do not need anyone to tell us that by putting your hand on the fire we are going to get burn.The destruction of our planet is a 100% certainty. We do not need any help for that we are doing that already. Think about it each one of us in this forum ,what are we physically doing to help any one outside of our family and friends circle. The message for me which I feel that must be communicated to all leaders in this world and beyond is to Stop, we the human race are responsible for one another we, you and me are our brothers keeper. I either choose to do something about the events unfolding or not. To have love in my heart for my fellow hu man is not a bad thing or is it, to pray for those less fortunate, to spread the word about the importance of this time even if we are ridule and mocked. What the forum is becoming from a bunch of idealist we are becoming realist, why ? The change of this world starts with me, the person I am looking at in the mirror each day.
One step at a time our sweat, blood and tears echoes across the galaxies our prayers with fervor and honest determination to stop this madness NOW!!! will not go unanswer. That I know to be the truth. Please don't leave, each of us are part of the whole that is creating a change it is infectious, this is like the domino effect. Whatever you decide, good luck and God bless you always. :tears:

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

They only reason I will stick around is if all areas of the forum are open to everyone. I am happy to pay if this is the case. Otherwise, I am off....

[Kahunamahalo]

***Listen Up Guys***

As far as I'm aware the forum will not be going subscription only on 1st October! :original:

I have no idea where this came from, but will check with Bill as soon as he is available



http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=306

[clarkkent]

To quote Kyle'

"your conscioussness (consciousness) is more important than your 3D vehicle.

Now this is honestly nothing more then new age conformity which is scary... Your body is in exact equal measurement to that of the mind, the mind cannot exist without your body and i think you need to understand that.

Your body is more then a vehicle or a god awful "container" (which i might add is used to teach disconnection from Synaptical thought leaving you feeling not alive and at the mercy of suicide or no fear of death) It is an absolutely scary thought when Astral projection and oneness can disconnect man from reality and make him believe his mind is more worthy then his body as you so stated above... How many Black magicians have used this concept of Reincarnation to manipulate people into dying and never fighting back? because in the end your not willing to strike the swine where he stands.

Philosophy i urge, as always.

i think you misunderstand, i never said "mind" i said "consciousness", which exists separately from your mind, the mind doesnt "create" consciousness its "biological computer" in order for consciousness to interact in the holgraphic 3 dimesional reality. this is physics and science, not "new age conformity"

look into some books about quantum mechanics and the nature of reality.
clearly your body is important, and if blackwater para military people come to round people up, ill certainly avoid them.
your here to experience whatever you experience and evolve from your experience. if there were no challenges to physical existence we wouldnt evolve both physically and spiritually.

what im saying is try and understand the nature of YOU and YOUR reality and what lessons you can learn while your here. not fearing death just means your not easily controlled by fear, it doesnt mean you jump off a building. free will means you have choice even if you think you dont- you do.
you can be negative or positve both have value- personally i want to be in harmony with others and the environament, thats my choice. unfortunatley the people who choose negativity have great power because of our very fear of death and only living in survival.

wars would stop instantly if everyone were to realize this and realize each of us has the power to do EXACTLY what we choose. no one can make you kill another person, its your belief that "they" can, so in fact "they" do because you give them the power to do so- its just as easily the other way around.

if someone said you have to join the army or youll be shot, then i would say "too bad im not joining" then whoever was supposed to shoot me has to make a choice to do so, and most likely he would only do so for fear of harm or death himself- its not that he wants to.

everyone is taking orders all the way up the line.
it stops when YOU dont follow orders. this is the big secret the few have ruled the many since we stopped being small tribes and became "civilized"

no one is going to make me kill another, thats why i think "aware" people who talk about heading to the hills and buying guns arent "aware" of anything, theyre just a little ahead of the curve on current events.

this isnt new age pseudo science mumbo jumbo, this is common sense and i dont need an alien or a new age guru to figure this out.

-kyle

[sfth13]

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=306

From the link you posted is states $5 per month or a dicount at $30 per year. If all members pay the $30 and there is supposed to be 3314 members, thats $99,420 per year. I have never run a forum but I didn't know it cost this much to run amd maintain.

[Kelle Baley]

This was an honest response to being in this group that leaves me thinking about my own unification and teaming up with even my own at home. I saw the video and realize that you are right about many conformists that as minutes pass will search out projects and groups like this one to mererly survive. all are deservingly where we are and we each can have the inside and insight to be guided. I appreciate project avalon in the sense that it is informing and allow us to go inside because as you see we are still not leaving our lives to go live communally-yet. I need you to know that I am sad about our situation at large but joyful that we have an opportunity to finally rise out of the prison set up around us. It will awaken so many, this chaos. What has been rising in me is above normal; a reach to our collective whom have the inclination to be still and hear in moments that my being is communicating inwardly. I am reaching many in my third chakra and they are clearly reaching me in a very now way -my time is real time and so it is for the other individuals. THis will be key to our survival individually and is to come. I will be taking this ability live someday if I am allowed so that those whom can hold the peace will unite and literal changes event on the collective consciousness. it is happening now this possibility even without me. I call it Mind Yoga and I plan to reach all whom can be still. this is what project avalon and camelot have provided me in inspiration that is priceless. the other garbage behavior must be ignored and forgiven.

[Kahunamahalo]

From the link you posted is states $5 per month or a dicount at $30 per year. If all members pay the $30 and there is supposed to be 3314 members, thats $99,420 per year. I have never run a forum but I didn't know it cost this much to run amd maintain.

This is a damn expensive forum then. Perhaps it's a bailout?

[Chris Parson]

well it was cool while it lasted

made some important connections and gained some valuable insights

i'll have fond memories of project avalon

[peacelovinman]

I too am considering my position within the forum, not because of the subscription fee as $30 is a small price to pay for something of real value.

My problem with the forum is that I don't 100% trust the information that is being fed to us by the Camelot "whisteblowers"; particularly StClair, Wilcock and Burisch. I also believe that the ideas promoted may become self-fulfilling prophecies.

I agree that positive thinking alone will not change the world for the better - however, a different way of thinking will. Our fictional world/society is beginning to crumble before our eyes, taking the many fictional things that we "beLIEve" in with it (e.g. money, governments, corporations, laws, religions, aliens, etc).

I see our best hope for the future here: www.ringingcedars.com and here: http://www.loveforlife.com.au/node/5259.

I wish all of you all the best.

[PodWORLD]

I think Arcora makes many excellent points.

The thing I've least understood was that people were given an opportunity
to interact with the witnesses and blew it. They probably sat there watching
the Camelot vids thinking I wish I could talk to Bill and Kerry, I wish I could talk to John Lear etc. Then their dream comes true and they blew it.

I've watched as that lady Miriam Delicado has had every aspect of her interview shredded. It was her eyes, it was the way she was sitting, it's because she's Canadian! I haveny watched the interview because the subject doesnt interest me but I dont understand the 'gossip'. This forum has become a chatroom it seems to me.

I don't find every witness compelling but I realise that there are times to keep your own counsel because they generated the interest and the donations that allowed Bill and Kerry to set this forum up in the first place.

So far the witnesses have been chased out of dodge, their characters slandered, some members have clearly attempted to establish themselves as
'celebrity' posters, accusations of mind parasites, disinfo agents, bad aliens, negative spirits and the boogeyman fly around and the system has apparantly been hacked. The forum is only a few weeks old!

I think a little perspective is needed here. If we are truly a community then we realise that life is full of different personality types and opinions and we don't just say every little thing that comes into our head.

If this forum fails it wont be the fault of the NWO, Illuminati, Aliens or Spirits.

Cheers, Chris.

[doodah]

It seems to me that many people never understood the proper role of the Witnesses, and that they are gone does not surprise me. What surprised me is that they ever agreed to even BE here. That was very risky, knowing what the net can be, even here, obviously. These are people who PUT THEMSELVES ON THE LINE, possibly endangering their lives ... and this forum did not respect that. Why is it so difficult to understand that the whole idea of them being here might have been a mistake from the beginning, and that it has come to its logical end?

I felt sorry for them ...

Metaphysics/quantum physics. These two get closer together every day. There is "truth" and there is "truth." Our reality is like silly putty, to be shaped as we will and we do have the free will to choose how we will shape it, if only in the smallest ways, to the extent of our understanding.

There is the story about the two wolves, one friendly and one vicious. When the young boy asks the grandfather which of the wolves will be there in the end, he answers, "The one you feed."

Feed fear. Feed love. It's a choice, and it will have consequences. If we love and care for this planet and all the lifeforms on it, I do not see any other choice than to practice love. Don't be stupid, but practice love. And if it's true about interdimensional beings controlling the Illuminati who control this world, then, sort of like praying just in case, it might be better to hedge your bets on the side of love and send some bright white light into that dimension where they are. Apparently they really don't like that, like cockroaches.

If that is too great a leap for you, too imaginary ... and you also don't believe the metaphysical /quantum concept that imagination (thought, visualization) is the strongest gift we have ... choose love for another reason, but it is very important that we choose love and ACT it.

[eurosceptic]

Well I possibly tend to agree - I'd not like to think I'm part of a cosmic back slapping and we can get swept up in 'ideologies'.

As Miriam Delicado says, we have to look at the people that come forward and decide for oursleves.

I personally find the forum time consuming and still a tad 'sludgy' there's nothing yet really here that I have not read or seen before, though there is some brilliant stuff on here and it is up to date. You can connect with some knowledgeable people and also get answers and info or at least links which saves a lot of net research time.

The forum is like a tool, if you use it corectly you will get a great deal of usefullness from interacting directly here. If not or its not for you then fair enough - make the space available for other people. I certainly don't think its something to be taken lightly and though humour is good!

Avalon member Artemis expereinces are amazing to read about for (just one) example.

I guess it is how you use the thing and I personally want stay a tad longer before heading to pastures new!

As David Icke used to approximatley say, "off the earth airy fairy words used in so-called spirituality are never going help the planet or it's people, practical steps need to be taken with feet on the ground also, a balance..."

Having said that I have made some great contacts which has even helped my work though I still believe any peace of mind or 'answer' I want about the planetary situation and understanding can be drawn from my own internal resource in conjunction with other infos etc.

Yes it is probably a good place for people to explore and quench the thirst for information and knowledge and It beats MTV or soaps!

I also am not sure that grandstanding the opinons and reasons of why you leave a place is needed!!

Just leave quitetly and don't slam the door!
OR maybe its symptamatic of the MTV XBOX generation who want people to notice them!?

[Stephen]

***Listen Up Guys***

As far as I'm aware the forum will not be going subscription only on 1st October! :original:

I have no idea where this came from, but will check with Bill as soon as he is available

Thanks for the info Colin. Always a Cool Head!

Because if it does go to Subscription Only and the Camelot Section stays like it is now then I will not stick around either.

I am not totally sold on everything crashing like St Clair states.

EDIT: Plus, Mrs Dood just told me how much we need a ROOF. Yes, an ACTUAL Roof over our heads and I am out of work. (Damn it)
That alone is going to cost at least $5K. (Did I say DAMN IT? hehe)

Also if I may be so bold...This forum needs a bit more HUMOR! Too much Gloom & Doom.
Life is meant to Effin ENJOY for Crying Out Loud. :trumpet:

[Trishsgate]

Arcora you have made some wonderful points and I am so sorry to see you leave, it really is critical to maintain free thinking. I feel you can contribute much to this forum so that others just beginning their journey can research. They need a hand not something force fed them but a little bit of guidance. I understand and maybe wrongly that the Camelot forum will reopen possibly free where you may be of service to the new arrivals there as well as here if you should decide to stay.

I will not be staying when this goes subscription only, but I see why the need a web forum like anything else requires funding in order to operate. However, my priorities at this point in time is conserving what funds I have left in order to provide a zone for me, my family, and community. This is what is foremost in my mind which is changing who I am and interacting within my own community\environment.

I may not be in a radiant zone nor does it really matter for me I am being guided to stay until further notice, for me to disobey this guidance is not something I can do. If you are being guided "within" to go to a radiant zone then that is where you are needed and I do not disagree with zones I am all for them but everyone will not be able to live there. What matters most to me is doing for myself independent of very little outside assistance. Until we (community) change what is within ourselves that makes us value the "me" more than the "us" nothing substantial will change. The same caste system will develop that we have always had only with different players in the game.

How is a community or global system possible when we consistently time after time place "value" on people and things, this in effect devalues someone\something else. When a leader is "valued" more important than the follower, when the gold is of greater value than the crop are they not both equal in value and importance. Is not that professor of equal value to the maintenance person are they both not needed to perform a service. Is not that gold as equal to that seed in the ground. Who rates and judges these things or should they be at all is my question?

Who is worthy to determine who is of consideration to live and the quality of that life. Does not that person's own choices\judgement determine their path and should they not be equal in importance this should not be a system base that is filled with greed and corruption.

Until we take a second look at what we view as "value" what will change. Assigning value is this not what has occurred generation after generation with similar results. Does a person need to attain more than the next person and if that is so please tell me why? Does this person deserve security\protection over the next and if so why? This to me is where it begins and ends in value or so called importance.

Should we still strive to compete, covet, and accumulate "things" is this the old or the new we are creating. We are on a journey with many different pathways hopefully we will achieve something new and fulfilling for all humanity and not just for a select few.

Love & Peace
Trish

[crowmirror]

good point arcora....if the forum does go into subscrption then i say

so long and thanks for all the red herrings....

[eurosceptic]

Just in agreement with PODWORLD - how can people be so lame as to criticise someone for having the wrong eyes as a reason to PUBLICALLY devalue who they are and what they say!! :thumbdown::lightsabre:

I find it bizzarre and the behaviour of someone partly with out reason.

Many have doubts but all these little superfluous points waste time and do not need to be aired and I'd suggest the 'bigger picture' is lost on those people temporarily.:sleep_1:

People maybe do go off at the deep end when they join a forum such as this becasue they have the POWER to post on too such a free open space.

The very reason we are here is partly due to irresponsible power structures!

Keyword: DISCERMENT!:thumb_yello:

I saw a great interview on www.conciousmedianetwork.com

A gentleman related a story about waiting for a group to cross the road and one young man was in a chair and being pushed.
I apologiese here as I forget the proper term but the young man couldnt walk talk etc etc.

He sent out concious thoughts of love to the man as he waited in his car as he did a lot in his daily life.:thumb_yello: He said he felt sorry for him.

The man in the wheel chair immediatley turned his head to look at him as he passed in front of his car being pushed along and said telepathically and firmly, "Do not feel sorry for me! I chose to live in this body for this lifetime! This is my last life on this planet!" Maybe we should really be lauding and learning from people like this and not people placed on pedestals such Dalai Lamas etc.

The young man in the wheelchair would make an interesting subject of an interview !
But then he is not a whistleblower, merley an enlightened being who served his time. Maybe to return with his knowledge to help.....? :thumb_yello:

From that point the man knew not to judge people by how they come across!

Remember the ethos and mission Bill and Kerry laid out.:welcomeani:

Newcomers READ IT.

Get to know the nature of the forum and don't Judge too quickly!
Theres never a need to be in a rush for anything in that sense.

Though the forum does have to procced with a sense of urgency, its still finding its feet. Maybe it can be a bit....manic.:sweatdrop:

At the same time, I can also understand members who doubt or question as that should be allowed. Its ALL part of the process.

Maybe as the forum matures and finds its feet it will calm down a bit and we will see a bit clearer.

Maybe people who decide to leave such as Acora will have change of heart?

I hope so as Acora seems an astute knowledgeable person who if was only on here 'every once in a while ' would be still invaluable I am sure.

Maybe Mr Green will join us once some calm down from a babble of rowdy villagers with pitchforks looking for answers! Which is understandable.


If there are people here who have maybe just once glanced at a UFO book then fair enough!
They have every right to information as the next person!

Isnt' that what Project Avalon is partly about? To wake people up!

Best of luck and wishes whatever you want and choose to do choose what you feel is correct Is suppose.

One point to remember is that on a PC we can't always fully comprehend something as much as when we see someone face to face or on an interview and maybe that is something some of us forget.

A PC is not s substiitute for seeing someone face to face and feeling how they are standing in front of us.

We can use as many of these:original:as we like but it still is a computer talking to us essentially and I believe that maybe frustrates some?

Maybe the net going off, if it does, it will possibly force us to appreciate that point and of course how valuable forums and websites like Project Avalon/Camelot can be!

Sometimes its worth taking time out to digest what is being said here and other places and maybe seek out another contradictory 'truth' or somewhere to weigh up opinions - though it seems so many truths are correlating and overalpping from many sources.

I left this video for Henry Deacon and so I also dedicate to all those about to 'move on'! :thumb_yello:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPk4CK2Hc3A

[unlimited mind]

about four, maybe five, years ago, i began to have dreams that were so outrageous i had to find out what in the heck my mind was trying to tell me. that is how i woke up, i followed my dreams.

my first teacher was an ascended being called Ramtha. i went to his school where he taught my class 5 separate times within a 9 day period, and then extended our 'class' time 3 more days to initiate us. i learned about science there. how the mind is the greatest tool in the universe. that my consciousness does indeed create my reality. RSE taught me how to create in a conscious manner.

everything i learned after that has been a validation of all of those teachings.

i tell everyone this, because i actually know students that can levitate, bi-locate, manifest in their hands, become invisible, and all sorts of other useful tools to navigate within the current state of world affairs.

i thought for sure that people who were keeping pace with project camelot, as i have, would be past the point of giving all of their energy to what the data is telling us is going to happen. this information is very important, because it shows us a time line, not the end time.

you don't have to be a psychic to be able to observe the path that is before us if you have a lot of the 'big picture' information. camelot, and now avalon, is a storehouse of that information and very well documented and discussed. understanding what the information is revealing to you, is THE understanding.

avalon is most definitely a mirror for the awakened minds. it is very easy to observe energy here on this forum, one way is to check your own thread visits with responses, etc. where do you spend your energy. just glance over the newly posted threads to get a full view of the energy of the moment here.

how many times do we need to validate that we are indeed heading for a consciousness upheaval? well, as many times as needed. this is why this forum is important.

it seems that a lot of folks here focus all of their energy on one particular thing, instead of using their minds to interact with the consciousness field in a different way.

yes, there are those people who want to be love, share loving thoughts, and inspire others to see love. and if it doesn't inspire you, i would have to say that the connection to your heart is a bit misaligned and you may need some sandpaper to get rid of the jaded edges.

this is my definition, from my own personal perception, of an awakened spiritual warrior:

first you must know how we, the many ones, got into this situation to begin with. this takes time, because it is a long and winding road where the warrior will hesitate at times when their be lie fs are being challenged.

second, once you have a general idea of the how, the next logical step is to find a solution within your self, since we are all a part of the solution beginning with ourselves. continuing to focus the 'how' trail, will only distract you from the solution. i think that is quite purposeful in the grand scheme of things too. why? this is where you have to trust the universe you think you understand, you have to trust your own mind and heart.

many things are born within this second step, some of these include discernment, open mindedness, gratitude, energy obseervation, surrender, and love of SELF. all very important things that will guide you to the next step in a clear manner.

third, once a solution is born within you, then you MUST take the action suitable to balance the energy/attitude you would like to conquer. just like everything, it must all happen from within first, and then will begin to radiate outward into the world at large.

after saying all of this, i do hope that whatever we see here on this forum that we really don't approve of, we get the message to find out why that might be an issue within ourselves...before we go out discrediting another divine being's perceptions in their own journey.

we are here to support one another on this journey people, to be of service to others. our minds are forever linked together now, so do me a favor, help me transmute the attitudes that are holding this group mind apart. it will bring unity and oneness.

and re member, if you think there are mind parasites at avalon, i would say they have names like close mindedness, fear, judgment, and the inability to ground yourself into the inner most sanctuary of your own mind. all frequency not of your own will be pushed out of your bands if you know how to access that part of yourself and have a clear mind to do it with.

i see love. i see peace. i have always known this world in balance and harmony with all that IS. i am the I AM in all that IS. <<<just a smidgen of the thoughts that ramble around in my head when i am not present with other things.

don't let your minds wander into the ditches of the old brain. this is very good survival preparedness.

[Steve_G]

I've been chewing this over in my mind and heart ever since Avalon came back online and I've come to my decision: I'm leaving.

No matter how well intentioned the aims of the Avalon are, in the end it comes down to this: I've spent most of my life having a certain view of reality forced on me, and I'm not going to let it happen again.

Whether or not Bill and Kerry believe they are doing what's best for us by curtailing our "privilages" on what we may or may not talk about it's still a limit on free speech.

I'm not talking about abusive posting or things of that nature. They might as well call this site Project George Green.

Camelot was fantastic, and I applaud them for it. It was needed- a free release of information from credible insiders without an agenda of it's own. Avalon has a very definite agenda, and I believe it is helping to bring about a future which virtually guarantees major catastrophe. That cataclysm is inevitable is the fundamental assumption that Avalon operates on. It's the same one that fundamentalist Christianity operates on.

I refuse to allow myself to be locked into survival mode, the very same method that has been used to keep humanity down for millennia. No matter what their intentions, they are actually strengthening the forces they claim to be standing against. I will not add my energy to that.

I wish you all the very best.

Blessings and goodbye

Edit* Ah to hell with it, a good night's sleep and things look less bleak. Be part of the solution right?

[BPhill]

They might as well call this site Project George Green.



Lol, that made me laugh...

[mudra]

Well spoken Unlimited mind:)
I'll add some more wisdom blowers below.


Life is a series of natural and spontaneous changes. Don't resist them-that only creates sorrow. Let reality be reality. Let things flow naturally forward in whatever way they like

Lao-Tse

He who knows much about others may be learned, but he who understands himself is more intelligent. He who controls others may be powerful, but he who has mastered himself is mightier still.

Humanity is under great pressure to evolve because it is our only chance of survival as a race. This will affect every aspect of your life and close relationships in particular. Never before have relationships been as problematic and conflict ridden as they are now. As you may continue to pursue the goal of salvation through a relationship, you will be disillusioned again and again. But if you accept that the relationship is here to make you conscious instead of happy, then the relationship will offer you salvation, and you will be aligning yourself with the higher consciousness that wants to be born into this world. For those who hold to the old patterns, there will be increasing pain, violence, confusion, and madness.

Eckhart Tolle

The word enlightenment conjures up the idea of some superhuman accomplishment, and the ego likes to keep it that way, but it is simply your natural state of felt oneness with Being. It is a state of connectedness with something immeasurable and indestructible, something that, almost paradoxically, is essentially you and yet is much greater than you. It is finding your true nature beyond name and form.

Eckhart Tolle

Kindness

[Theresa]

This forum was inspired by George Green's books and the general intent is to support the "ground crew" as described in his books. His work is CHANNELED FROM ET SOURCES.

That means this forum was ESTABLISHED in ALIGNMENT with CHANNELED material. Doesn't get much more metaphysical than that.

The spiritual concepts outlined in that material are in alignment with all messages of "we create our reality" metaphysics, which are in alignment with quantum physics. Thats the foundation this forum was created on.

Why is that now an issue? If one doesn't agree with a spiritual approach to answering the reality of our world today, one certainly does not have to participate in a discussion of it, at all. But, I thought that's why this forum was started.

The nature of a forum is sharing and discussion. That provides for a wide range of participation-it HAS to. If it doesn't, then its just an academic discussion. But right now, on our planet, things are in such great flux, that even within a very small group of aligned consciousnesses, ie, here on this forum (we ARE a very small group, relatively, wouldn't you say?) there is a vast range of spiritual development, life experience, education, etc. So, we have to allow for that. This "experiment" has never been done before!

I wish that we didn't have to pay to participate in the forum, but $5 a month? I spend more than that in two days on coffee. I think I can handle $5.

The experience we are having on Earth now is something none of our ancestors have ever had (at least in THIS millenium, lol!) Perhaps taking a deep breath and reaching out for each other, and staying aligned to our heart center would be a GOOD thing. I'm not sure the intellect can navigate these waters unaccompanied. I sure don't want to rely on MY intellect....it's not exactly the most "enlightened" being in and of itself, if you know what I mean!

Lots of love and blessings to everybody!

~We are going to make it~take a deep breath, go within, trust the process!~

[Chris Parson]

really bad vibe on this forum lately.

[JohnWdoe]

i think you misunderstand, i never said "mind" i said "consciousness", which exists separately from your mind, the mind doesnt "create" consciousness its "biological computer" in order for consciousness to interact in the holgraphic 3 dimesional reality. this is physics and science, not "new age conformity"

look into some books about quantum mechanics and the nature of reality.
clearly your body is important, and if blackwater para military people come to round people up, ill certainly avoid them.
your here to experience whatever you experience and evolve from your experience. if there were no challenges to physical existence we wouldnt evolve both physically and spiritually.

what im saying is try and understand the nature of YOU and YOUR reality and what lessons you can learn while your here. not fearing death just means your not easily controlled by fear, it doesnt mean you jump off a building. free will means you have choice even if you think you dont- you do.
you can be negative or positve both have value- personally i want to be in harmony with others and the environament, thats my choice. unfortunatley the people who choose negativity have great power because of our very fear of death and only living in survival.

wars would stop instantly if everyone were to realize this and realize each of us has the power to do EXACTLY what we choose. no one can make you kill another person, its your belief that "they" can, so in fact "they" do because you give them the power to do so- its just as easily the other way around.

if someone said you have to join the army or youll be shot, then i would say "too bad im not joining" then whoever was supposed to shoot me has to make a choice to do so, and most likely he would only do so for fear of harm or death himself- its not that he wants to.

everyone is taking orders all the way up the line.
it stops when YOU dont follow orders. this is the big secret the few have ruled the many since we stopped being small tribes and became "civilized"

no one is going to make me kill another, thats why i think "aware" people who talk about heading to the hills and buying guns arent "aware" of anything, theyre just a little ahead of the curve on current events.

this isnt new age pseudo science mumbo jumbo, this is common sense and i dont need an alien or a new age guru to figure this out.

-kyle

"this isnt new age pseudo science mumbo jumbo, this is common sense and i dont need an alien or a new age guru to figure this out."

Thank you :) now your using Philosophy my friend! Thats what it all about aside the Politics and Spirituality - why we do stuff.

Everyone here at Avalon are the type of people i could thrive and be comfortable around, Zorgon i give you nods here for your great research and Exchanger i say thank you for the kind Spiritual words all and all we have some interesting people here who desire a change.

I have seen ALOT of good people around here to name a few -arcora, EYES WIDE OPEN, ForsakenFalcon, King Lear, P4BL0, QUESTINY, those are some i can actually remember but heck its impossible to name you all! you all have gave me a little piece of the puzzle, so for that i say thank you and mostly offer personal advice when someones in the dirt.

Sometimes i would rather talk to people about THEM rather then the subject at hand so it can leave me looking out of the picture, which i exactly like.

Im just here to offer advice to you all. You guys do rock!

[OceanWinds]

really bad vibe on this forum lately.

yup... like breathing really heavy air. Maybe its doing a cleansing.

P.S. Theresa, thank you for putting things into perspective. Your words are always well chosen, and in tact.

[777 The Great Work]

[QUOTE=BPhill;30857]Lol, that made me laugh...[/QUOTE

Truth will never be found from external sources. Truth comes from within. If we really knew the truth and these guys were revealing the real secrets. They wouldn't be alive.
Phil schnieder was a true whistle blower and he's six feet under. These other guys talking about ninjas taking out the illuminati are a joke.lmao These other blowers of the whistle are just blowing a whistle.lmao I love humanity and the J RODS. We will say anything to keep food on the table.LMAO Truth will be revealed when we collapse our own towers of IGNORANCE and fear of DEATH.

[ophiuchus]

points well made arcora! listen ,there is no reason why all of our ideas can't be harmonious,as long as their intent is a positive one in nature. life is give and take,ying and yang etc...a balancing act with forces pushing and pulling each other bringing everyone higher. we need everyone. everyone must respect one another. tptb would like nothing more than to see this fall apart. this spat is trivial ,unnecessary,and blown out of proportion. until kerry or bill give a message that specifically makes certain opinions unwelcome i say everyone continue as they were.

[Carol]

This forum was inspired by George Green's books and the general intent is to support the "ground crew" as described in his books. His work is CHANNELED FROM ET SOURCES.

That means this forum was ESTABLISHED in ALIGNMENT with CHANNELED material. Doesn't get much more metaphysical than that.

The spiritual concepts outlined in that material are in alignment with all messages of "we create our reality" metaphysics, which are in alignment with quantum physics. Thats the foundation this forum was created on.

Why is that now an issue? If one doesn't agree with a spiritual approach to answering the reality of our world today, one certainly does not have to participate in a discussion of it, at all. But, I thought that's why this forum was started.

The nature of a forum is sharing and discussion. That provides for a wide range of participation-it HAS to. If it doesn't, then its just an academic discussion. But right now, on our planet, things are in such great flux, that even within a very small group of aligned consciousnesses, ie, here on this forum (we ARE a very small group, relatively, wouldn't you say?) there is a vast range of spiritual development, life experience, education, etc. So, we have to allow for that. This "experiment" has never been done before!

I wish that we didn't have to pay to participate in the forum, but $5 a month? I spend more than that in two days on coffee. I think I can handle $5.

The experience we are having on Earth now is something none of our ancestors have ever had (at least in THIS millenium, lol!) Perhaps taking a deep breath and reaching out for each other, and staying aligned to our heart center would be a GOOD thing. I'm not sure the intellect can navigate these waters unaccompanied. I sure don't want to rely on MY intellect....it's not exactly the most "enlightened" being in and of itself, if you know what I mean!

Lots of love and blessings to everybody!

~We are going to make it~take a deep breath, go within, trust the process!~

Very well stated Theresa and thank you. Each forum has its own purpose. Camelot is for discussion, critical opinion, honesty, free style thinking, debate, education and discovery. This is the place where many folks are learning about some of the insider information for the first time. It takes time to digest what is being presented there. For example, it took me years before I was ever ready to even accept that ETs were existed in the "real" sense of the word and it took years to assimilate what I was learning.

Unfortunately, there isn't enough time for folks to take years to learn and assimilate everything that is being currently being revealed in these forums. Subsequently folks tend get irritated or angry because this info is a bit overwhelming and doesn't fit into many of the present day belief systems. Irrespective of the emotional upheaval, Avalon is the ground crew. These are the folks that are the leaders for the ones who are still "not on the bus."

Ground Crew members have already accepted that change is afoot and they want to be a part of that change in a positive manner. Some help hold the energy in the direction they would like to see the change move toward while others take care of the nuts and bolts. Just as the feet take us where we want to go; the head gives direction. All parts of the body is needed for it to befully functional.

Folks who are here at the Avalon site don't need to debate because that is already behind them. They don't need to be told to get ready because they recognize what is going on and are already making preparations.

For example, remember the story of the grasshopper and the ants? The grasshopper played during the summer while the ants stored food for the coming winter. Our grasshoppers (folks who are new to this info) need Camelot so as to learn and understand why Avalon is so important.

Those here in Avalon are downloading info and networking. They are sharing their expertise to help their fellow brothers and sisters. This is what Avalon is for.

Mahalo,

Carol

[QUESTINY]

These are people who PUT THEMSELVES ON THE LINE, possibly endangering their lives ... and this forum did not respect that.

Thank you for making this comment. Whistleblowers and insiders attempted to reach out to people and assist in the understanding of what's going on. Many tried to share and learn from each other. Many important thoughts and threads where shut down in the name of "positive thinking only."

I to have stopped with the information sharing.

I thank Bill and Kerry for all their hard work and I urge them to not censor the information they are receiving. It is up to the INDIVIDUAL to determine how to process the information. You are doing a disservice to those who follow your work to deny them the information. I beg of you to trust in the spiritual matureness of your members and not treat them like children by holding back crucial information. The information that has been shared and what was to be shared is neither positive nor negative. The individual has the right to decide that. I say this with great respect for both of you. Bless you and thank you.

[Zarathustra]

Thank you for making this comment. Whistleblowers and insiders attempted to reach out to people and assist in the understanding of what's going on. Many tried to share and learn from each other. Many important thoughts and threads where shut down in the name of "positive thinking only."

I to have stopped with the information sharing.

I thank Bill and Kerry for all their hard work and I urge them to not censor the information they are receiving. It is up to the INDIVIDUAL to determine how to process the information. You are doing a disservice to those who follow your work to deny them the information. I beg of you to trust in the spiritual matureness of your members and not treat them like children by holding back crucial information. The information that has been shared and what was to be shared is neither positive nor negative. The individual has the right to decide that. I say this with great respect for both of you. Bless you and thank you.

I second.

[Carol]

I think we need to look at the facts here and stop making assumptions. One or two of the more assertive insiders were confronting other insiders that led to conflicted hurt feelings between them. That is what happened. Henry told me so himself. I suspect they will all return once things settle down and we have a new "protection" system in place where all posts to the insiders are read ahead of time by a moderator to check for inflamatory remarks and/or insulting language prior to the PM sent onto the person it is intended for.

Although some of the insiders forums are empty, the information was save. If they choose to put their information back up we have it for them to do so.

Meanwhile, all important info is being gathered by our research crew to go into new topic areas and will be made avialable to everyone in a few weeks. The diamonds are currently being sorted out from the sand.

Lots of work is going on behind the scenes and we are working as fast as we can because of how important it is for folks to have this information available to them.

[Carol]

I don't know if this is politically corrent or not but it cracked me up. :lol3:
http://www.thelolcats.com/pics/ninjakittenz4justice.jpg

[Frank Samuel]

I do not know if you notice but this looks like a food fight to me.
For the record I advice Bill and Kerry not to make this an exclusive membership only. Be inclusive of all irregardless of fees or not.
As you can see by the number of viewers on this thread not many happy people. Now I don't want to buy anybody's book, but hey people Bill and Kerry
got to try and live as far as I know they do not have any other source of income and many of us made a money pledge, chuuksss.
Oool Dood I feel your pain since I got to fix my roof. Yes!!! we need a little humour you ol dog :biggrin2:
On the serious side hey I thank Bill and Kerry for project avOlOn home of the looney toons :roftl::roll1: :biggrin2:

[Tuza]

Questiny, I would like to know if that is okay what you mean by Kerry and Bill holding back crucial information to the members. Thank you.

[arcora]

I think we need to look at the facts here and stop making assumptions. One or two of the more assertive insiders were confronting other insiders that led to conflicted hurt feelings between them. That is what happened. Henry told me so himself. I suspect they will all return once things settle down and we have a new "protection" system in place...

That may be what HD told you.

I stand by my statement that I learned his real name. That's not an assumption, that is fact.

I also stand by my statement that if I could find it, any agency interested in learning who HD actually was could find it.

My assumption is that HD will not be back.

[Chris Parson]

I don't know if this is politically corrent or not but it cracked me up. :lol3:
http://www.thelolcats.com/pics/ninjakittenz4justice.jpg

:shocked: fulford didn't say they would be feline!

[Tuza]

Questiny quote: I thank Bill and Kerry for all their hard work and I urge them to not censor the information they are receiving. It is up to the INDIVIDUAL to determine how to process the information. You are doing a disservice to those who follow your work to deny them the information. I beg of you to trust in the spiritual matureness of your members and not treat them like children by holding back crucial information.

Could you explain this if you would Questiny please.

[Carol]

That may be what HD told you.

I stand by my statement that I learned his real name. That's not an assumption, that is fact.

I also stand by my statement that if I could find it, any agency interested in learning who HD actually was could find it.

My assumption is that HD will not be back.

If what you say is true arcora, then I would like to know how you discovered that information. In addition, do you realize what you just did my posting this. Have you considered you may have put yourself in danger and Henry? Is this what you want?

[Racsouran]

October 1st, this board is switching to a subscription model. I had intended to subscribe, but now I have made the decision to leave on September 30th.

I will share my reasons for those who care.

It isn't the money. It is the way this forum is evolving. These are my opinions on my observations - take them for what they're worth to you.

This started out as a GREAT idea. Build a forum where users could interact with 'whistleblowers', discuss topics of mutual interest, plan for the creation of communities etc.

Well, the whistleblowers are gone. The only ones left are Michael St. Clair and Duncan O'Finioan. Michael isn't exactly a whistleblower - he's an astrologer who has made a nice living warning the wealthy about world events. He's not really privy to any inside information - he's interpreting planetary alignments.

Duncan O'Finioan is a whistleblower. Although his story is heartwrenching, it is severely limited in scope. Although interesting, it doesn't give us a glimpse into the big picture. Best of luck to you Duncan.

The other whistleblowers were run off. Henry Deacon in particular. Henry was the real deal. Since his posts have been removed, I will tell you the reason he left. His identity was revealed here. It wasn't in an obvious manner as in "Henry Deacon's real name is XXXX XXXXX". It was made to be imminently discoverable. I discovered it and tried to warn the Admin but no action was taken. I'm no great investigator. If I could find it, certainly any agency curious about him now knows exactly who "Henry Deacon" was.

This is the lack of protection Henry was speaking of. He was brought here with the promise of protection of the founders and they didn't fulfill their responsibility. I prefer to give the founders the benefit of the doubt and believe that they were too busy or victims of a communication breakdown. Nonetheless, the value of this forum dropped significantly with the departures of Henry Deacon and John Lear.

The members here are good people. Most of you are well intentioned, loving, intelligent and lost. Lost isn't a bad thing. It is a state of being. It just is.

There are so many people running around here who believe that sending love out into the cosmos is the cure for every problem and the answer to every question. That's OK for you to believe that if you want. The problem is that your numbers are growing. You all are having such an impact on the other members that it is spreading. It is becoming like a Hari Krishna convention here.

You can celebrate that if you like. But just as the perfect slave is the one who thinks he is free, the best way to keep someone lost is to make them believe that they know where they are.

We are all confused about what is happening and we're all trying to find answers. Over the past 6,000 years of recorded human history there have been lots of sects that popped up professing that love is the answer. Unfortunately they have all failed. The Truth is not that simple.

Listening to what this channeler has to say, what that phsycic saw in a vision, or what some contactee claims to know may be worthwhile. But, like this forum, the real truths are mixed in with huge helpings of lies. So many here spout off new-age wisdom and platitudes in the same manner as fundamentalist Christians repeat a few bible verses. A phrase here, a thought there. As though all the wisdom of mankind could be found in that utterance. Beware.

Don't believe things just because you want to believe them. Believe only those things that are True. This is more difficult than it seems because we are our own greatest deceivers. Remember, there are a lot of Truths that we don't like.

The fear on this board is palatable. It is a peculiar type of fear though. I don't see people afraid for their lives - I see a lot of people who are deathly afraid of ideas that contradict their own neatly kept beliefs. The first step to learning is admitting that you don't know.

My advice? Don't be deceived. Don't conform. Find wisdom and share it. Don't be afraid of different ideas - after all, it is that open mind that brought you to the state that you are in. Don't close it now when you are so close to the finish. If you truly want to ascend, keep searching. You may be close but you are not there yet. Find some ideas that you don't like and explore them with your mind open.

We are facing the most profound questions and problems mankind has encountered in the last 26,000 years. Don't mistake wisdom for Truth.

My primary reason for leaving is this dynamic which is manifesting in front of my eyes. This does frighten me - I worry that with enough repetition I'll be like the subject in the video. After all, I am only human.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qlJqR4GmKw

For the record, I am neither in service to myself or to others. (Yes, there is a third option.) I am in service to myself second. If I can help others along the way - I will do so. I would stay and try to help you all but you don't really want my help and I am running out of time.

I came here to find the answer to one succinct question. I did not get a direct answer - but I did find some clues to continue in my quest. I also discovered two more questions that I need answered. Thank you all for that.

I cannot agree with you more Arcora, such wise words u said fills exactly what i feel about this place since the beginning it was created.

I felt the fear you talk about, and that many people here are really scary.

This place is not place for me also, i don´t feel inside that this is a place where i can be of any practical use, it seems. Partially, i feel out of place by even participating in the forum in the first place, akward feeling but not surprising.

But leaving?, no real reason for that. Taking a quick look everynow and then?, most likely.

:thumb_yello:

[arcora]

If what you say is true arcora, then I would like to know how you discovered that information. In addition, do you realize what you just did my posting this. Have you considered you may have put yourself in danger and Henry? Is this what you want?

I will not tell you how I learned it because, if I did, his name would become common knowledge. I'm certain nobody here wants that.

I told you all about this in my OP for this topic.

I seriously doubt that I am in danger. A name is just a name and it would be a bad assumption to think that MIB will be arriving at my front door anytime soon because I know it. If I was worried, I would not have said anything. I have never met the man personally and don't think I ever will.

I waited to make the statement until Henry's threads were removed. This way nobody will stumble onto it in the same manner as me. That was out of respect for Henry.

I did PM the Admin (at the time) and suggested that he might want to delete the thread that led me to the info. I spoke cryptically and invited return questions. I never heard from the Admin and the thread was not removed until Henry did so himself.

I reposted my initial statement because I value my integrity and don't like it when some make contradicting statements that could cause others to think that I am a liar.

I know what I know and I know what I don't know. I speak the Truth.

I will let you all know if the MIB appear. :yikes:

[Ampgod]

Let people be people.
If we quit this forum we, in fact, are limiting ourselves because we may miss that one person that has something to say that sparks thought for us.
If we don't like the certain types than we can simply wade through them like we do the constant disinformation that is out there. ;)

Then again, we could find ourselves possibly closing off ideas that just may be real. So it may be a good idea to stay open.



Live Love,
Ampgod

[Merkhava]

The ones who finish are the ones who endure, who don't quit.

Being human is messy. It is full of disappointment, deception, delusion and danger. The facts of life rarely measure up to the fantasy of our expectations.

Besides, the ones who need the most help are the ones who are lost, who are deceived and are overcome by strong delusion. These are all the more reasons for staying.

I will stick around. I have no illusions that my input is small and inconsequential compared to the enormity of our problems. But as for me, I will continue to do what I can to be a participant and to offer any help I can muster. I claim no immunity to self deception or self delusion. Some cherished convictions I hold to be true may eventually prove to be lies. That is one of the great challenges of this mortal life I suppose.

Hopefully we are all working towards the same goal - acquiring the truth that leads us to enduring life.

So decide for yourself if this Avalon idea is worthy or worthless. If it is worthless, if it is useless, then leaving it is perhaps the rational thing to do. But the worth of this project is only going to be what it could be if it is composed of people who have something worthy to offer.

That won't happen if such people give up, cop out and go away.

Who out there is man enough to stand in the gap?

Who is willing to be an advocate and defender for others even at the cost of what is most precious? Isn't that what real love is all about?

Regards,
Merkhava

[Dantheman62]

See ya, wouldn't want to be ya, arcora and racsouran don't let the door hit you on the way out! PEACE

[Carol]

The ones who finish are the ones who endure, who don't quit.

Being human is messy. It is full of disappointment, deception, delusion and danger. The facts of life rarely measure up to the fantasy of our expectations.

I will stick around. I have no illusions that my input is small and inconsequential compared to the enormity of our problems. But as for me, I will continue to do what I can to be a participant and to offer any help I can muster.

Decide for yourself if this Avalon idea is worthy or worthless. If it is worthless, if it is useless, then leaving it is perhaps the rational thing to do. But the worth of this project is only going to be what it could be if it is composed of people who have something worthy to offer.

That won't happen if such people give up, cop out and go away.

Who out there is man enough to stand in the gap?

Regards,
Merkhava

What a very nice post Merkhava. Thank you so much for your thoughts. :thumb_yello:

[Anchor]

With the exception of the points made about the whistleblowers treatment, and the dissection of the recent witness video, which I agree with; I would say it is too soon to tell how this forum will play out and things can change. If I were considering leaving, I would at least wait till after October 14th :original:

If the forum does go subscription then it will change a bit and certainly not all of those 3000 registered people will sign up - and if they do - hooray for Bill and Kerry, they can afford stuff again. (like a new camera and better sound gear :tongue2: ).

Personally I love this forum so far, even if I think I have lost a few posts here and there.

A..

[Tuza]

Can someone please tell me what the dissection of witness testimony is all about please. I presume this was from the Miriam testimony.

[Frank Samuel]

maybe we should move this thread to project camelot . :lmfao:
Just Kidding:naughty: Hey Arcora you made this thread one of the most popular. So maybe you should stay, I think we got it all wrong it was't not 10/12/08 it was 9/28/08 at project avalon. Wow what a crowd !!! :mfr_omg:
Bill and Kerry where are you ?
Please clarify all these rumours, are you guys new ages too?. :mfr_lol:

7 billion different views, with one thing in common we all love a good fight:thumb_yello:

[OceanWinds]

Very well stated Theresa and thank you. Each forum has its own purpose. Camelot is for discussion, critical opinion, honesty, free style thinking, debate, education and discovery. This is the place where many folks are learning about some of the insider information for the first time. It takes time to digest what is being presented there. For example, it took me years before I was ever ready to even accept that ETs were existed in the "real" sense of the word and it took years to assimilate what I was learning.

Unfortunately, there isn't enough time for folks to take years to learn and assimilate everything that is being currently being revealed in these forums. Subsequently folks tend get irritated or angry because this info is a bit overwhelming and doesn't fit into many of the present day belief systems. Irrespective of the emotional upheaval, Avalon is the ground crew. These are the folks that are the leaders for the ones who are still "not on the bus."

Ground Crew members have already accepted that change is afoot and they want to be a part of that change in a positive manner. Some help hold the energy in the direction they would like to see the change move toward while others take care of the nuts and bolts. Just as the feet take us where we want to go; the head gives direction. All parts of the body is needed for it to befully functional.

Folks who are here at the Avalon site don't need to debate because that is already behind them. They don't need to be told to get ready because they recognize what is going on and are already making preparations.

For example, remember the story of the grasshopper and the ants? The grasshopper played during the summer while the ants stored food for the coming winter. Our grasshoppers (folks who are new to this info) need Camelot so as to learn and understand why Avalon is so important.

Those here in Avalon are downloading info and networking. They are sharing their expertise to help their fellow brothers and sisters. This is what Avalon is for.

Mahalo,

Carol

Exactly!

[Racsouran]

See ya, wouldn't want to be ya, arcora and racsouran don't let the door hit you on the way out! PEACE

didnt explained me well, im not leaving. Just absent here. As an observer more than a participant.

[Carol]

That may be what HD told you.

I stand by my statement that I learned his real name. That's not an assumption, that is fact.

I also stand by my statement that if I could find it, any agency interested in learning who HD actually was could find it.

My assumption is that HD will not be back.

It is clear by your posts that your behavior is inappropriate for Avalon. This is the site for the ground crew and in reviewing your recent posts there is little evidence of recent ground crew posts.

Futhermore, I'm sorry that the mods did not respond to your earlier request. If you will let us know who you notified and when, we can check that out.

Next, I seriously doubt you know HDs real name. I'm aware also of the link you referred to. HD is used to dealing with these folks all the time and knows how to take care of himself.

However, your post could be seen as reckless and demonstrates lack of judgment and disrespect toward HD. Is this how you want others to see you?




Kerry and I (Bill) are in strong agreement about the following:

There's a 'funneling' function - a directional process - which leads from Camelot to Avalon.

People get their data from Camelot (if they don't have it already). Avalon is then what to do about it.

[Shechaiyah]

I've had a lot of Subjective experiences like Delgado and some of the other witnesses. I remain off the screen, out of sight because frankly, I don't think anybody is going to believe me.

And that's okay too. Each of us has a place, role and function; and my experiences support what I do as whistle-blower; I'm not here to impress anybody.

I think chatty-ness is simply a characteristic of immaturity; and we of the old school have to be patient with the younger ones, before they "get it."

I will lurk here, and provide an idea now and then that comes to me in the dark; but I'm not stepping out into the limelight any time soon. Not me.

Okay, maybe I'm chicken.


Shech--

[ch0sen]

Science is the closest approximation to truth at any given moment... If everything is an illusion, than nothing can truly exist BUT the Creator. Magic IS perhaps the science of the Creator, as is the symbolism on which it is based. If proof is subjective, then nothing can objectively prove the "Truth".

Truth can only be experienced by the individual.

[arcora]

It is clear by your posts that your behavior is inappropriate for Avalon. This is the site for the ground crew and in reviewing your recent posts there is little evidence of recent ground crew posts.

Futhermore, I'm sorry that the mods did not respond to your earlier request. If you will let us know who you notified and when, we can check that out.

Next, I seriously doubt you know HDs real name. I'm aware also of the link you referred to. HD is used to dealing with these folks all the time and knows how to take care of himself.

However, your post could be seen as reckless and demonstrates lack of judgment and disrespect toward HD. Is this how you want others to see you?




Kerry and I (Bill) are in strong agreement about the following:

There's a 'funneling' function - a directional process - which leads from Camelot to Avalon.

People get their data from Camelot (if they don't have it already). Avalon is then what to do about it.


Huh? I don't know what you're driving at overall. I will respond as best I can.

First, as I said before, I know what I know. You may doubt it all you like. That is your perogative.

I'm sorry if you don't like my posts or find them uninformative. I tried to share the knowledge I've accumulated over the past 43 years. I've also tried to ask relevant questions so that I can learn.

I really don't know what you're talking about "the link that I referred to". I'm not sure that I ever referred to a link.

I sent a PM to the user Admin on September 23rd suggesting the thread be removed. It really doesn't matter now because it is gone.

Carol,

I don't want to get into some flame war here.

If you choose to see my post as reckless, lacking judgement and disrespectful - that is also your perogative. I suspect you say that only because you disbelieve what I say.

If you feel that I don't contribute - or that I disrupt - then ban me. Again, that's your perogative.

I feel like you're lashing out at me for some reason on this HD issue - and I'm really not sure why. Your judgements make me very uncomfortable.

[Sherab]

this is a damn expensive forum then. Perhaps it's a bailout?

lol!

[Shechaiyah]

There are some really kewl and grooovy people here.

I'll stick around.


Shech-- :lmao:

[Sherab]

There are so many people running around here who believe that sending love out into the cosmos is the cure for every problem and the answer to every question. That's OK for you to believe that if you want. The problem is that your numbers are growing. You all are having such an impact on the other members that it is spreading. It is becoming like a Hari Krishna convention here.



First: LOL! That is hilarious.

Second: I think what you are railing on is New Age pussyism, not sending others love. Real love is powerful, and doesn't take sh*t from anybody. Real love is how Gandhi drove out the British Empire, and how Martin Luther King Jr. stood up for the rights of all people.

So feel free to wail away on dreamy-eyed pseudo let-me-impress-you-with-how-loving-I-can-be nonsense, but I don't think for a second that an anger/hatred stance to the PTB is going to really change anything. Maybe the names of those in power will change, but until we learn what real love is, and live by that, it will just be the same ol', same ol'. Different names, same BS.

Love is Truth, and is the only source of real power.


P.S. I am leaving because of the money.

[Sherab]

[/QUOTE] Truth will be revealed when we collapse our own towers of IGNORANCE and fear of DEATH.[/QUOTE]

Amen to that!!

[MMe M]

IF it does go to subscription, then we all know what the whole parade has been about dont we.

I am so sorry for the loss of Henry Deacon and John Lear. Both are people I respect and admire. I hope all is well for them and that Henry is safe. I was unaware there was an issue.

Personally, I couldnt make it through the atrologers videos. This is a failing of mine, but if something doesnt feel right I find my mind wandering.

I am controlled by money like all of us, but there is an ethical issue at hand here. Would it not be cost effective to have some advertisements at the bottom? Perhaps I am not familiar enough with associated costs but it does worry me that it would come down to information being not available to some for want of money. Besides, what is a pittance to some is a fortune to others. We are not all from the same continet.

I am also bothered by those that push love love peace warm happy places. Reality is an every day ordeal. We must eat, if we dont we die. We wont be all lovey peace and happy june bugs when in the depths of starvation or with a foreign soldiers gun (gasp, my gawd, she said the "G" word again!) pointed directly at our forehead. Reality sucks but we can maybe make it to better times by trying to become educated in the school of every day survival. This may mean you must have a weapon, make a snare, a deadfall, know how to light a fire without matchs or a lighter, make a shelter, find water, know what plants wont kill you. We all should have the propensity to love, and empathy. How many of you throw out leftovers containing meat? Think about where that meat came from (not the grocery store, before that)? Have you ever raised your own? Crops? If you are indeed ignorant or guilty of any of the aforementioned, do not talk to me of love. You have nothing but words. Ostriches. Denying a thing doesnt make it go away. and I am the unenlightened one? Okee Dokey then. lol

I see people on here compromising their own beliefs. Afraid to state anything. Good or bad, you must choose. The only ones that may ride the fence are politicians and that is because they are parasites that are unable to function on their own merit. Who wants to be at that level?

It is true, we may all be guilty of being stubborn ocasionally. I am notoriously flawed in this area and I struggle with myself to overcome this carachter failing, but admit when I am wrong. I am here to learn. I am now officially sleep deprived from so many hours reading, posting and researching here. I cannot learn and grow if I refuse to allow anyone else an opposing viewpoint or idea. I will not continue to participate which I am sure delights some if it is a question of money. Ive too little now, perhaps even less in future, hard as that concept is to contemplate.

Hard times call for frugality.

Regarding false information, I think one must weave together their own versions with what rings true from many sources. No one on this forum has the whole picture, only bits and pieces. Its up to us to assemble and utilize.

Warmest regards to the da crew,
MMe M

[Anchor]

To people saying they will leave because of the money, if this site does go subscription, some of us have already said we will sponsor a number of free memberships - first come first served, no questions asked. Look on the thread discussing subscriptions.

The structure isnt set up yet, but then again nor are the subscriptions. I have in my mind how to set up such a structure and it is quite easy and fair, and fast to organise.

[Carol]

Huh? I don't know what you're driving at overall. I will respond as best I can.

First, as I said before, I know what I know. You may doubt it all you like. That is your perogative.

I'm sorry if you don't like my posts or find them uninformative. I tried to share the knowledge I've accumulated over the past 43 years. I've also tried to ask relevant questions so that I can learn.

I really don't know what you're talking about "the link that I referred to". I'm not sure that I ever referred to a link.

I sent a PM to the user Admin on September 23rd suggesting the thread be removed. It really doesn't matter now because it is gone.

Carol,

I don't want to get into some flame war here.

If you choose to see my post as reckless, lacking judgement and disrespectful - that is also your perogative. I suspect you say that only because you disbelieve what I say.

If you feel that I don't contribute - or that I disrupt - then ban me. Again, that's your perogative.

I feel like you're lashing out at me for some reason on this HD issue - and I'm really not sure why. Your judgements make me very uncomfortable.

If someone were to come here telling the entire forum that they know your real identity.. how would feel?

Do you think that stating in a public forum, that is open to thousands of people for viewing, that you know the real identity of one of the witnesses (who delibertly choose to be anonymous while posting here) is being respectful toward the person you are exposing to your "truth" as you see it?

Whether I believe you or disbelieve you is not a personal issue for me. The issue is the complaints others are sending to us regarding your style of commuication in this particular thread.

[Andre]

October 1st, this board is switching to a subscription model. I had intended to subscribe, but now I have made the decision to leave on September 30th.

I will share my reasons for those who care.

It isn't the money. It is the way this forum is evolving. These are my opinions on my observations - take them for what they're worth to you.

This started out as a GREAT idea. Build a forum where users could interact with 'whistleblowers', discuss topics of mutual interest, plan for the creation of communities etc.

Well, the whistleblowers are gone. The only ones left are Michael St. Clair and Duncan O'Finioan. Michael isn't exactly a whistleblower - he's an astrologer who has made a nice living warning the wealthy about world events. He's not really privy to any inside information - he's interpreting planetary alignments.

Duncan O'Finioan is a whistleblower. Although his story is heartwrenching, it is severely limited in scope. Although interesting, it doesn't give us a glimpse into the big picture. Best of luck to you Duncan.

The other whistleblowers were run off. Henry Deacon in particular. Henry was the real deal. Since his posts have been removed, I will tell you the reason he left. His identity was revealed here. It wasn't in an obvious manner as in "Henry Deacon's real name is XXXX XXXXX". It was made to be imminently discoverable. I discovered it and tried to warn the Admin but no action was taken. I'm no great investigator. If I could find it, certainly any agency curious about him now knows exactly who "Henry Deacon" was.

This is the lack of protection Henry was speaking of. He was brought here with the promise of protection of the founders and they didn't fulfill their responsibility. I prefer to give the founders the benefit of the doubt and believe that they were too busy or victims of a communication breakdown. Nonetheless, the value of this forum dropped significantly with the departures of Henry Deacon and John Lear.

The members here are good people. Most of you are well intentioned, loving, intelligent and lost. Lost isn't a bad thing. It is a state of being. It just is.

There are so many people running around here who believe that sending love out into the cosmos is the cure for every problem and the answer to every question. That's OK for you to believe that if you want. The problem is that your numbers are growing. You all are having such an impact on the other members that it is spreading. It is becoming like a Hari Krishna convention here.

You can celebrate that if you like. But just as the perfect slave is the one who thinks he is free, the best way to keep someone lost is to make them believe that they know where they are.

We are all confused about what is happening and we're all trying to find answers. Over the past 6,000 years of recorded human history there have been lots of sects that popped up professing that love is the answer. Unfortunately they have all failed. The Truth is not that simple.

Listening to what this channeler has to say, what that phsycic saw in a vision, or what some contactee claims to know may be worthwhile. But, like this forum, the real truths are mixed in with huge helpings of lies. So many here spout off new-age wisdom and platitudes in the same manner as fundamentalist Christians repeat a few bible verses. A phrase here, a thought there. As though all the wisdom of mankind could be found in that utterance. Beware.

Don't believe things just because you want to believe them. Believe only those things that are True. This is more difficult than it seems because we are our own greatest deceivers. Remember, there are a lot of Truths that we don't like.

The fear on this board is palatable. It is a peculiar type of fear though. I don't see people afraid for their lives - I see a lot of people who are deathly afraid of ideas that contradict their own neatly kept beliefs. The first step to learning is admitting that you don't know.

My advice? Don't be deceived. Don't conform. Find wisdom and share it. Don't be afraid of different ideas - after all, it is that open mind that brought you to the state that you are in. Don't close it now when you are so close to the finish. If you truly want to ascend, keep searching. You may be close but you are not there yet. Find some ideas that you don't like and explore them with your mind open.

We are facing the most profound questions and problems mankind has encountered in the last 26,000 years. Don't mistake wisdom for Truth.

My primary reason for leaving is this dynamic which is manifesting in front of my eyes. This does frighten me - I worry that with enough repetition I'll be like the subject in the video. After all, I am only human.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qlJqR4GmKw

For the record, I am neither in service to myself or to others. (Yes, there is a third option.) I am in service to myself second. If I can help others along the way - I will do so. I would stay and try to help you all but you don't really want my help and I am running out of time.

I came here to find the answer to one succinct question. I did not get a direct answer - but I did find some clues to continue in my quest. I also discovered two more questions that I need answered. Thank you all for that.
Unfortunate, but perfectly said. Mirrors my thoughts exactly.

Goodbye everyone.

Peace and one love.

[arcora]

If someone were to come here telling the entire forum that they know your real identity.. how would feel?

Do you think that stating in a public forum, that is open to thousands of people for viewing, that you know the real identity of one of the witnesses (who delibertly choose to be anonymous while posting here) is being respectful toward the person you are exposing to your "truth" as you see it?

Whether I believe you or disbelieve you is not a personal issue for me. The issue is the complaints others are sending to us regarding your style of commuication in this particular thread.

If I were trying to remain anonymous and keep my identity hidden from a particular agency or agencies - I would be incredibly thankful for the warning. But, maybe that's just me. I would also like to add that I have told NOBODY what I know - even though MANY have asked.

If I have offended anyone with my style of communicating - I offer a sincere apology. It was never my intent to offend.

If some are offended by my message, that is another story. I posted my opinions on my observations with the caveat that it was for those who cared.

If you are through belittling me, I think I shall go to bed.

[ramallamamama]

This is a damn expensive forum then. Perhaps it's a bailout?
It's not a bailout, it's a financial rescue plan. ;)

[Angel of the Mists]

Ummmm.....I'm picking up a few different angles here....

I agree with ramallamamama.....I don't see any proposed subscription as a bailout either...but Bill and Kerry have no source of income....other than the odd donantion to Project Camelot, and it sure must cost plenty to travel the way they travel and gather the information for us to then read and either use to inform our own view points, or to pull to shreds.

Let me also quote unlimited mind:

'after saying all of this, i do hope that whatever we see here on this forum that we really don't approve of, we get the message to find out why that might be an issue within ourselves...before we go out discrediting another divine being's perceptions in their own journey.

we are here to support one another on this journey people, to be of service to others. our minds are forever linked together now, so do me a favor, help me transmute the attitudes that are holding this group mind apart. it will bring unity and oneness.'


It seems to me this is a gift we can give each other...we can learn about ourselves if we look at the reactions others bring up within us....but we need to be open to accepting there may be something we need to change, and only we as individuals can do that for ourselves.

I say again there are many different abilities and attributes represented on this forum.... The Ground Crew needs many different abilities and attributes to suuccessfully complete the job ahead. Let's not lose sight of our purpose.

Angel of the Mists

[Chris Parson]

October 14th :original:

:original:

[halebox]

What a bunch of whiney babies! Maybe 1 10th of people or less will subscribe so no one is getting rich. Its a new site let it keep changing till it settles on a working format instead of threatening to leave.

[QUESTINY]

Questiny quote: I thank Bill and Kerry for all their hard work and I urge them to not censor the information they are receiving. It is up to the INDIVIDUAL to determine how to process the information. You are doing a disservice to those who follow your work to deny them the information. I beg of you to trust in the spiritual matureness of your members and not treat them like children by holding back crucial information.

Could you explain this if you would Questiny please.

For the record, I am neither an insider or whistleblower. I am encouraging Bill and Kerry to release any information that they have verified through multiple reliable sources no matter how dire it may appear.

[QUESTINY]

didnt explained me well, im not leaving. Just absent here. As an observer more than a participant.

I second that as well.

[Shellie]

Ummmm.....I'm picking up a few different angles here....

I agree with ramallamamama.....I don't see any proposed subscription as a bailout either...but Bill and Kerry have no source of income....other than the odd donantion to Project Camelot, and it sure must cost plenty to travel the way they travel and gather the information for us to then read and either use to inform our own view points, or to pull to shreds.

Let me also quote unlimited mind:

'after saying all of this, i do hope that whatever we see here on this forum that we really don't approve of, we get the message to find out why that might be an issue within ourselves...before we go out discrediting another divine being's perceptions in their own journey.

we are here to support one another on this journey people, to be of service to others. our minds are forever linked together now, so do me a favor, help me transmute the attitudes that are holding this group mind apart. it will bring unity and oneness.'


It seems to me this is a gift we can give each other...we can learn about ourselves if we look at the reactions others bring up within us....but we need to be open to accepting there may be something we need to change, and only we as individuals can do that for ourselves.

I say again there are many different abilities and attributes represented on this forum.... The Ground Crew needs many different abilities and attributes to suuccessfully complete the job ahead. Let's not lose sight of our purpose.

Angel of the Mists




Right on! Great attitude!

[wolfman]

October 1st, this board is switching to a subscription model. I had intended to subscribe, but now I have made the decision to leave on September 30th.

I will share my reasons for those who care.

It isn't the money. It is the way this forum is evolving. These are my opinions on my observations - take them for what they're worth to you.

This started out as a GREAT idea. Build a forum where users could interact with 'whistleblowers', discuss topics of mutual interest, plan for the creation of communities etc.

Well, the whistleblowers are gone. The only ones left are Michael St. Clair and Duncan O'Finioan. Michael isn't exactly a whistleblower - he's an astrologer who has made a nice living warning the wealthy about world events. He's not really privy to any inside information - he's interpreting planetary alignments.

Duncan O'Finioan is a whistleblower. Although his story is heartwrenching, it is severely limited in scope. Although interesting, it doesn't give us a glimpse into the big picture. Best of luck to you Duncan.

The other whistleblowers were run off. Henry Deacon in particular. Henry was the real deal. Since his posts have been removed, I will tell you the reason he left. His identity was revealed here. It wasn't in an obvious manner as in "Henry Deacon's real name is XXXX XXXXX". It was made to be imminently discoverable. I discovered it and tried to warn the Admin but no action was taken. I'm no great investigator. If I could find it, certainly any agency curious about him now knows exactly who "Henry Deacon" was.

This is the lack of protection Henry was speaking of. He was brought here with the promise of protection of the founders and they didn't fulfill their responsibility. I prefer to give the founders the benefit of the doubt and believe that they were too busy or victims of a communication breakdown. Nonetheless, the value of this forum dropped significantly with the departures of Henry Deacon and John Lear.

The members here are good people. Most of you are well intentioned, loving, intelligent and lost. Lost isn't a bad thing. It is a state of being. It just is.

There are so many people running around here who believe that sending love out into the cosmos is the cure for every problem and the answer to every question. That's OK for you to believe that if you want. The problem is that your numbers are growing. You all are having such an impact on the other members that it is spreading. It is becoming like a Hari Krishna convention here.

You can celebrate that if you like. But just as the perfect slave is the one who thinks he is free, the best way to keep someone lost is to make them believe that they know where they are.

We are all confused about what is happening and we're all trying to find answers. Over the past 6,000 years of recorded human history there have been lots of sects that popped up professing that love is the answer. Unfortunately they have all failed. The Truth is not that simple.

Listening to what this channeler has to say, what that phsycic saw in a vision, or what some contactee claims to know may be worthwhile. But, like this forum, the real truths are mixed in with huge helpings of lies. So many here spout off new-age wisdom and platitudes in the same manner as fundamentalist Christians repeat a few bible verses. A phrase here, a thought there. As though all the wisdom of mankind could be found in that utterance. Beware.

Don't believe things just because you want to believe them. Believe only those things that are True. This is more difficult than it seems because we are our own greatest deceivers. Remember, there are a lot of Truths that we don't like.

The fear on this board is palatable. It is a peculiar type of fear though. I don't see people afraid for their lives - I see a lot of people who are deathly afraid of ideas that contradict their own neatly kept beliefs. The first step to learning is admitting that you don't know.

My advice? Don't be deceived. Don't conform. Find wisdom and share it. Don't be afraid of different ideas - after all, it is that open mind that brought you to the state that you are in. Don't close it now when you are so close to the finish. If you truly want to ascend, keep searching. You may be close but you are not there yet. Find some ideas that you don't like and explore them with your mind open.

We are facing the most profound questions and problems mankind has encountered in the last 26,000 years. Don't mistake wisdom for Truth.

My primary reason for leaving is this dynamic which is manifesting in front of my eyes. This does frighten me - I worry that with enough repetition I'll be like the subject in the video. After all, I am only human.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qlJqR4GmKw

For the record, I am neither in service to myself or to others. (Yes, there is a third option.) I am in service to myself second. If I can help others along the way - I will do so. I would stay and try to help you all but you don't really want my help and I am running out of time.

I came here to find the answer to one succinct question. I did not get a direct answer - but I did find some clues to continue in my quest. I also discovered two more questions that I need answered. Thank you all for that.

hi to everyone on this thread. I am more of an observer than a contributor as I live on the other side of the world in which we hardly get anything significant to contribute. You can say that I am still a beginner on the subject as I took interest only about 4 months ago.. I cannot stop now.. :naughty:

I like to comment on several things:

> Bill & Kerry have done a fabulous wonderful work on the Project Camelot website. I have once raised a question on one of the persons they interviewed and Kerry actually took the time to email me back with answers. Having a huge audience and to have a personal email answering my question gives me great respect on their seriousness of their work and dedication.

> I always wonder how they are actually surviving on funds if this was their full time work n nothing else. I can only imagine that they do travel a fair bit flying from continent to continent. So a minimum monthly subscription maybe could allow them more access to do other research etc..

> When the Avalon forum was first started, my guess was that everyone wanted to have a say in the forum. I was very excited to read them all but then like some of you, I got an information overload.. for every daily stuff, there was a theory or two. People got jumpy over small issues.. :shocked:

> Of course I missed Henry Decon and John Lear threads.. its a real pity that these gentlemen threads were removed.

> I am thinking that Bill & Kerry are also quite busy with other issues that they have left the moderating to others and maybe these moderators cannot make decisions. we, esp me!!:smoke:are always looking forward to the next day when we start to open the websites... and hoping for an answer or two. But I think we need to have a little more patience here. Give Bill & Kerry some time so they can come back and sort things out. I am sure they are just as overwhelmed by the number of visitors on this website.

> There are lots of folks here that have contributed lots of wisdom and discussions. I can see that everyone is trying to maintain a certain level of respect which is good.

> If there are people who are trying to washout this website, in time, perhaps we can weed them out.

> On my side of the world (we just had the F1 race here!:tongue2:), there is nothing much except to observe what the world is going through. And hope that the timelines can be changed for the better. The only thing I notice so far in the last 2 weeks is that people tend to get more edgy and faster to snap.. The weather patterns are so changing a fair bit.

> Lastly, I hope that everyone stays on for the time being and don't be too hasty to leave this website. You contributions are just as important.

love & peace to everyone!:bleh::bleh:

[Carol]

If I were trying to remain anonymous and keep my identity hidden from a particular agency or agencies - I would be incredibly thankful for the warning. But, maybe that's just me. I would also like to add that I have told NOBODY what I know - even though MANY have asked.

If I have offended anyone with my style of communicating - I offer a sincere apology. It was never my intent to offend.

If some are offended by my message, that is another story. I posted my opinions on my observations with the caveat that it was for those who cared.

If you are through belittling me, I think I shall go to bed.

Your victim stance does not serve you. If a warning was what you wished to give it would have better served Henry if it had been passed on in "private" PMs to Bill, Henry and the mods. Not in a public forum.

[Stephen]

Unfortunate, but perfectly said. Mirrors my thoughts exactly.

Goodbye everyone.

Peace and one love.

Andre!

Come talk to me over at the Open Minds Forum...
Link: http://lucianarchy.proboards21.com/index.cgi

[THE eXchanger]

in my eXperience
anyone who had to announce their eXit
was NEVER truly present ;)

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instead of complaining/and whining
why NOT do something about it !!!!

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22 minutes from NOW !!!

LET'S ALL BAND TOGETHER...
and, support a guy, who is doing something about it !!!

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* Nichols Live
9/28/2008 at 12 NOON EST on 9/29/2008

SPREAD THIS MESSAGE TO ALL!!!
SPREAD THE MESSAGE FAR AND WIDE, THIS IS OUR COUNTRY WE ARE TALKING ABOUT!!

SEND THE EMAIL TO ALL PRESS, RADIO, TV, 24 HR NEWS, CANDIDATES! SEND IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN! LET THEM KNOW WE ARE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND WE CAN NOT BE DEFEATED!!! CONGRESS WANTS WAR!

For far too long the American people have sat back and watched for any hope of one day again having a government that takes care of its people rather than the powerful and rich few.


It is with great regret that this day has been thrust on the hard working, good intentioned people of America.

As of this writing we understand that there has been a tentative agreement to the $700 billion bailout of the power elite. Creating a debt that will be borne by the American taxpayer.

This will not stand.

Today many Americans are disappointed that after letting their Congress men and women know in no uncertain terms that this bailout is unacceptable.

Congress has chosen to go against the will of the people they serve. It is time for the American people to understand we are at war.

I do not use the term 'war' lightly.

It matters only that we the people did not declare it, our government did, and to exact a war, one has to know who our government this time has declared war on. It is not the oil rich Middle East. Simply put, it is the American taxpayer. It is after having for many years backed away from a commitment agreed to by our forefathers, that we the people today must act.

Our forefathers warned that there would be days like this, and they were very succinct in their response for the actions we should take in this eventuality.

When our government runs amok, it is incumbent on we the people to overthrow it. Many for years have believed that terms like 'overthrowing the government' related to revolution meant guns, bombs, killing.

Because of that reality, it has been removed from the minds and hearts of most people.

The war to which I speak, the revolution that we must engage in, will use no such weapons.

There will need to be no mad rush to buy ammunition for the guns that shall and will remain silent.

Rather still we will use the weapons left for us by our forefathers and more lethal today than any military concept. It will be all the ammunition we will need.

That is our voice, our voices collectively, and our vote. With these weapons and ammunition, we will charge forward to overthrow a government that has absolutely ignored every man, woman, and child regardless of race or creed without the luxury of wealth.

Starting this day we will notify Congress, both Democrat, Republican, the president, the vice president, and both presidential candidates. This will not stand. The war will move presently on two fronts.

The first front is self-explanatory. It will be political.

To all in power that sign on to this bailout, you will be defeated in November.

The Nancy Pelosi's, the Harry Reed's, tonight we remind you, there was a time when the Republicans had control, and in case you have forgotten that was just two years ago. The American public gained the power in congress. This will happen again. And to the Democrats that believe they are immune to the conservative outspoken portion of America, you need only to know this: This day there is no conservative, no liberal, no republican, no Democratic - there are only Americans, and whichever party is in office this day that signs on to this bill, they will lose in November.

And so I would say to the Democrats who are laughing all the way to November, believing that they will gain power, more control, and have their terms at an absolute bow once again in Congress, you have made a serious mistake. If you add it up, Democrats have more seats in Congress, so therefore you, Pelosi, Reed, you have more to lose - for everywhere there is a Democrat in Congress being challenged by a Republican, the Republican will win; and for every Republican in office, there will be a Democrat that will win.

Do the math and look at where the power will lie.

To Obama and McCain: The American people believe, as you have with the cooperation of the media, convinced them that there is no choice; one or the other. Let me be very clear. There are other choices, and the mantra that will run throughout this nation will be 'anybody but you.'

I know that you believe that there cannot be a third party candidate that could surely glean enough votes to actually win. You may be right.
But as both of you should be keenly aware, neither of you have a vote that you can afford to lose.

Most directly to you, McCain, believe these words today, for any vote passed for a Libertarian candidate or the Constitutional candidate or the Green Party candidate, the deficit will be applied to you more so than Obama.

Make your choice well who you believe, and I will give you the choice that should be the will of the American people. Do not worry, Obama, for you are not free of risk because you should know better than anyone the damage this bill will cause to those of color in this country, and maybe they will figure out that you are more closely akin to the rich and power elite than you are to them.

The second front will be more serious than that of simply politics.

If this bill passes under the pretense that if it is not done then there could be runs on banks forcing the collapse of our financial institutions.

To all of the people of America, that may be you will turn into an absolute, with the passing of this bill, all Americans that cannot take it any more than have been pushed to the bottom more and more every day, your task is simple.

They are afraid of a run on banks.

You, we, will give it to them. With the signing of this bill, all are to go to their financial institution, get in line, and pull every single dollar out of your bank. I know you think that extreme.

We did not ask for this course.

We did not choose this action.

Our government betrayed us and sold us out.

They have given us no choice.

We did not pick this battle, but it is still within us that if a battle is to be waged, we the people will choose the battlefield. To this end, I say to you, the false entity that we still call our government, you are forcing the hand of the people you are supposed to serve, and you will be dealt with swiftly and absolutely.

To this corrupt form of government, you seem to have forgotten amidst the phone calls, the emails, the letters, that these interested people trying to communicate with you are actually the people you work for.

You represent us.

We are not your pawns to be led blindly around.

Choose wisely your actions because the American people have drawn finally a line in the sand, not of our choosing but out of necessity, to overthrow the government that has betrayed us.

I intend that this message be sent to you directly by as many people who feel obliged to do so.

It is only important that you hold, not the people that have become so compelled to take action, accountable.

If there is retribution, I suggest you aim it at me.

My name is Larry Nichols.

TO ALL THAT RECEIVE THIS:
You must move swiftly.

Email this over and over to every member of Congress,
the White House, the presidential candidates.

Let them see this now before the vote goes down tomorrow.

There is time to stop a needless war that will surely hurt us.

There will be casualties.

Be strong, be wise, and know you must fight; if not for you, for the people you love, your children, your grandchildren, your grandchildren's grandchildren, and if you cannot feel compelled to act, you will be complicit with the destruction of something we will call America.

Please act now.
Larry Nichols http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Nichols-live http://www.larrynichols.com/

e sure you find "waterman" thread...
and, help keep his thread at the top

Let's support my good friend on Blog Talk Radio...
Larry Nichols today...at 12Noon EST

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/Nichols-live

Call your congress, and, do it today !!!

Call into his show:

let your voice be heard !!!

TUNE into larry nichols show today

at 12 AM EST / 11AM CENTRAL/ 9AM PST
on 9/29/2008
(IT will be in the archieves)

join many of us, who will be there

supporting Larry Nichols

(this is similiar to the show Bill and Kerry did)

and, let's have this show make a major impact !!!

Make your calls NOW,
and, be sure to listen to the show

brightest blessings of energy, light and love

i am Simply Susan~White Lotus Star
The eXchanger aka
The Ancient Bridger (13)

[arcora]

Your victim stance does not serve you. If a warning was what you wished to give it would have better served Henry if it had been passed on in "private" PMs to Bill, Henry and the mods. Not in a public forum.

How am I taking a victim stance?

You continue to deride and belittle me. That should be apparent to anyone here. What I am unsure of is why you are playing the Monday morning quarterback game.

As I said before, I attempted to PM Admin but received no response. Why would I have continued on that tack?

You may opine all you like about what I should or should not have done. I thought carefully about the position I was placed in and followed a course of action that I feel was right.

If you disagree, that is your perogative. You are entitled to your opinions but please, stop harassing me on this.

[Myra]

From the link you posted is states $5 per month or a dicount at $30 per year. If all members pay the $30 and there is supposed to be 3314 members, thats $99,420 per year. I have never run a forum but I didn't know it cost this much to run amd maintain.

Wow. What if a person can't even afford the $5 or the $30? I'm sure it happens a lot more often these days than anyone can imagine. Great. Oh well. :sad:

[sfth13]

Wow. What if a person can't even afford the $5 or the $30? I'm sure it happens a lot more often these days than anyone can imagine. Great. Oh well. :sad:

It has nothing to do with the $5. I have it and plan on paying it. I was just saying that I never ran a forum and wasn't aware of the cost involved in running and maintaining a forum. some people here just look for the negative

[Myra]

Besides, what is a pittance to some is a fortune to others....

Right on.

[Tamarie]

How about a monthly donation of your choice, but AT LEAST $2.00 or more, or an annual donation of at least $15.00 or more? I can certainly afford .50c a week... Others may be able to afford double that, or triple, or more, and I'm sure it would feel great being able to choose the donation/subscription amount that feels right to you.

I must admit that I was unsure about whether I would subscribe, given the option, and until I reached the end here at Page 4, I was still uncertain, however, putting a monetary value of less than a dollar a week towards information that I read and look forward to reading on a daily basis (I'm referring really to the Project Camelot site) seems reasonably fair to me.

Whilst I might not agree with some opinons here at Avalon, nor on some points such the one Bill made about Miriam's interview being of utmost importance, I do respect and appreciate Bill and Kerry dedicating their time for US. Over 3,000 of us wouldn't be here today debating this point if it wasn't for them. Not to mention the number (over 2 million, wasn't it?) of unique visitors that Camelot has seen to date.

I do also patiently wait for more input from Bill and Kerry regarding the huge number of opposing views on Miriam's interview, and perhaps further discussion on topics (as they appear) such as this one that seemed to grow quickly and needs settling, but it's more important to me that they spend their time wisely.

And perhaps my .50c a week might help them to do that. :biggrin2:

[Tamarie]

On another note, I would like to make a suggestion going forward that the Moderators not argue or disagree with another members comments in full view of everyone else. Please save us all from embarrassment and use the PM function next time...

Moderators should be trustworthy, un-sided 'members of authority', who speak on behalf of Bill and Kerry, and whose role should be to silently moderate, yet still participate in the forum by providing members with information and links of relevance where available.

I've seen it done like this successfully in other forums and I'm sure it can be pulled off here as well.

Thanks for taking this into consideration. :thumb_yello:

[Suriel]

I have and can run a forum for $12.95 a month from Yahoo. It's a great deal. It's a whole lot less than $99,000.00 a year.

But there are many free forums out there that you can go to.

Peace.
:)

[prem]

Hey, Wait till the October 14 for the live Star war preview show (oops. am i right?). I think its the aliens on a vacation to US (the picnic spot is Alabama i think).

If you wait till that date, you might have one more reason i think.

October 14 ; its ET time :roftl: :roll1:

[china2012]

Very well stated Theresa and thank you. Each forum has its own purpose. Camelot is for discussion, critical opinion, honesty, free style thinking, debate, education and discovery. This is the place where many folks are learning about some of the insider information for the first time. It takes time to digest what is being presented there. For example, it took me years before I was ever ready to even accept that ETs were existed in the "real" sense of the word and it took years to assimilate what I was learning.

Unfortunately, there isn't enough time for folks to take years to learn and assimilate everything that is being currently being revealed in these forums. Subsequently folks tend get irritated or angry because this info is a bit overwhelming and doesn't fit into many of the present day belief systems. Irrespective of the emotional upheaval, Avalon is the ground crew. These are the folks that are the leaders for the ones who are still "not on the bus."

Ground Crew members have already accepted that change is afoot and they want to be a part of that change in a positive manner. Some help hold the energy in the direction they would like to see the change move toward while others take care of the nuts and bolts. Just as the feet take us where we want to go; the head gives direction. All parts of the body is needed for it to befully functional.

Folks who are here at the Avalon site don't need to debate because that is already behind them. They don't need to be told to get ready because they recognize what is going on and are already making preparations.

For example, remember the story of the grasshopper and the ants? The grasshopper played during the summer while the ants stored food for the coming winter. Our grasshoppers (folks who are new to this info) need Camelot so as to learn and understand why Avalon is so important.

Those here in Avalon are downloading info and networking. They are sharing their expertise to help their fellow brothers and sisters. This is what Avalon is for.

Mahalo,

Carol



It definitely requires the greatest courage to ask and learn
Some of the most difficult quests in a life
Now the initiation has been given
How well do we cope?
Answer that particular question,
Better be specific:
The biggest risk of all is not to take any risk at all

[Accipiter_Phi]

Carol... Acoura:

Please... Please... In the name of Zeus's butthole, take it to a Private message board.

Nobody is benefitting from this...
Honestly, I think the "moderators" need to learn what the definition of "moderation." (I'm looking at you, Carol). Detach from drama... The guy was trying to help... and even if he wasn't, what are you trying to accomplish with this vulgar PUBLIC display?

At the end of the day, it is the MODERATORS job to MODERATE... not get involved in some highschool hi-jinks and what not.

I know the job is sans- pay, but come on! Are you guys married? (I'm getting a kind of "When Harry Met Sally" vibe.:wink2:

Yikes.

(but, I admit, it was kind of entertaining...in a train wreck sort of way. Alas, 'tis not the function of AVALON)

Odeley :winksmiley02:

[Myra]

It has nothing to do with the $5. I have it and plan on paying it. I was just saying that I never ran a forum and wasn't aware of the cost involved in running and maintaining a forum. some people here just look for the negative

Don't worry, my post wasn't meant to direct anything at you personally. I was just speaking for myself because I don't have it (the money) :sad:

[Jacqui D]

Well i will continue to stay with the site whether subscription or not.
Although we have lost some whistleblowers we can still pop over to the camelot site for any new interviews etc.
I guess it would have been to good to be true to beable to talk to these guys on a daily basis, come on did you really think it would have worked, the Henry Deacon situation just shows that i think was inevitable anyway.
Wecan still discuss certain issues and these times are just in there beginnings, i feel there is so much more to come.

[eurosceptic]

bawrin!!:sleep_1::sleep_1::sleep_1::lmfao:

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

its not the money that bothers me. its the class system that will be set up once the subscription starts. KEEP THE WHOLE SITE OPEN TO EVERYONE.

[sfth13]

Don't worry, my post wasn't meant to direct anything at you personally. I was just speaking for myself because I don't have it (the money) :sad:

I was just trying to explain my original quote that I think may have been taken the wrong way. I hope not:shocked:

[Myra]

I was just trying to explain my original quote that I think may have been taken the wrong way. I hope not:shocked:

No it's okay I didn't take you wrong, no worries!

[Sherab]

Carol... Acoura:

Please... Please... In the name of Zeus's butthole, take it to a Private message board.

Nobody is benefitting from this...
Honestly, I think the "moderators" need to learn what the definition of "moderation." (I'm looking at you, Carol). Detach from drama... The guy was trying to help... and even if he wasn't, what are you trying to accomplish with this vulgar PUBLIC display?

At the end of the day, it is the MODERATORS job to MODERATE... not get involved in some highschool hi-jinks and what not.

I know the job is sans- pay, but come on! Are you guys married? (I'm getting a kind of "When Harry Met Sally" vibe.:wink2:

Yikes.

(but, I admit, it was kind of entertaining...in a train wreck sort of way. Alas, 'tis not the function of AVALON)

Odeley :winksmiley02:

Can I get a WITNESS!!

[Love is the way]

Where to start?

Most importatly for me here is the argument of the cost of having a forum like this......We do not pay for just keeping the forum maintained , we ( the majority of us i dare assume) also want them to do interviews.
And how do u maintain a forum and travel the globe for just above 10$ a month? Just cos Bill and Kerry have good connections doesn`t mean they have access to stargates :biggrin2:
I do sort of like the idea of keeping it free and open to everyone , and we pay what we wish to pay. If there is enough truely englightened people here it could work , and maybe be even more financially beneficial. But my gut feeling tells me that`s easier said then done.

It`s is not relevant at all , but since the moderator can`t help herself i jump in also :mfr_lol:
I never found Arcora`s posts in any way rude , i might be over the top easy going :tongue2: but in this case i feel i`m not. The post he refers to is deleted and even though im sure there is a lot of brilliant minds here , i doubt too many have photographic memory of every post and in that case no harm is done.
I wouldn`t wanna play chess with HD , so never feel too sure about any "proof" regarding who he is. I`m confident Arcora genuinly feels he got it , but i`m equally confident he did`t.


I Love this part :

"I came here to find the answer to one succinct question. I did not get a direct answer - but I did find some clues to continue in my quest. I also discovered two more questions that I need answered. Thank you all for that."

This is the main reason why i`m here too , and this is why i urge u and other doubters to stay on...... There WILL be more clues and questions for those who hang around.....and frankly they might be priceless.....
Just like everything else in life , this site is not perfect and it never will be. But if it gives u something of value and if there is a tiny chance you might get some englightment here.... Then STAY.

I miss the camelot part also , but totally agree and understand it`s closed for a while.... It`s a crazy amount of threads compared to moderators and that a good enough reason for me...... Hopefully it will be back soon.

According to Dan Burisch`s timeline 1 variant 83 the camelot part will be back up on the 4th of October!!!! :roll1:


I`m a little undecied on this yet , but also feel there might be abit too much "Love and light" .... For me , the true Love and light is between the lines anyway.

[Theresa]

Zeus's butthole?? Priceless...:lol3:

[Racsouran]

Carol, acora, flame yourselves in private. :P

[whitecrow]

October 1st, this board is switching to a subscription model. I had intended to subscribe, but now I have made the decision to leave on September 30th.

I will share my reasons for those who care.

It isn't the money.


Sigh. I had hoped this wouldn't happen. I will be leaving too, and for me it IS the money. I understand that the costs of maintaining a site like this is hugely expensive. I've offered to help by giving time, but I suppose I couldn't pass the "vetting" process. No matter.

When everyone has to pay to gain admittance, my dear mods, you are no longer on a mission or a quest. At that point you are running a business, and I will not feed the machine. When people are considered worthy to contribute and receive only by virtue of their ability to shed money, you've joined the dark side.

I'll be here until they make me leave, but I won't pay because I can't. I would if I could, but I'd still leave for the sake of the others who can't.

[OceanWinds]

How am I taking a victim stance?

You continue to deride and belittle me. That should be apparent to anyone here. What I am unsure of is why you are playing the Monday morning quarterback game.

As I said before, I attempted to PM Admin but received no response. Why would I have continued on that tack?

You may opine all you like about what I should or should not have done. I thought carefully about the position I was placed in and followed a course of action that I feel was right.

If you disagree, that is your perogative. You are entitled to your opinions but please, stop harassing me on this.

I completely agree with this... Arcora is completely entitled to his opinion, which is based on very valid arguments (many in this thread are in agreement with Arcora). Anyone who disagrees, can state their disagreement and why. At this point its still a debate, but once a person starts judging another member in a negative light. Without having met them, or knowing anything about them... it is an attack, and becomes harassment when done repeatedly.

I personally am not impressed... and agree this should have been done in private.

[rustanddust]

"harrassment"? "deride and belittle"? please. quite the drama queen aren't we?

it seems like this has gone private already, this is nothing we need to keep up with.